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| 01:05.10 | EffBee | 4.6 RC2... How do I stop applications from automatically being assigned to activities? |
| 01:05.15 | EffBee | I thought activities were supposed to be opt-in |
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| 01:41.25 | IcarianHeights | im unable to my application launcher menu in kde 4.6rc2 |
| 01:41.38 | IcarianHeights | i right click and choose the option to edit applications |
| 01:41.51 | IcarianHeights | and go throught the steps to add a new item |
| 01:41.59 | IcarianHeights | and then click save and it a progress bar is shown |
| 01:42.05 | IcarianHeights | but no changes save... |
| 01:42.27 | IcarianHeights | *im unable to edit my application launcher menu in kde 4.6rc2 |
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| 01:45.16 | N9NU | thats a well know BUG |
| 01:45.33 | N9NU | kmenuedit not saving entries and missplacing them,etc. |
| 01:45.40 | IcarianHeights | oh ok... |
| 01:45.43 | N9NU | try running kmenuedit from the console |
| 01:45.48 | N9NU | then save your changes |
| 01:45.53 | IcarianHeights | ah... will try |
| 01:45.57 | IcarianHeights | sorry for the bother |
| 01:46.03 | N9NU | that works for me most of the time |
| 01:46.11 | IcarianHeights | preciate the suggestion...thx |
| 01:46.13 | N9NU | no biggie |
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| 03:45.47 | luke-jr | so I finally let Nepomuk do its thing on my new PC |
| 03:46.01 | luke-jr | yet now that it's finished⦠it only finds files I /don't/ care to search for? :/ |
| 03:46.18 | luke-jr | any idea why it doesn't find any of my videos? |
| 03:47.35 | N9NU | drop do a terminal and type: locate <filename(s)> |
| 03:49.49 | luke-jr | locate: can not stat () `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 03:49.52 | luke-jr | :p |
| 03:50.05 | luke-jr | my system hasn't existed long enough for a locate db yet |
| 03:50.06 | N9NU | ah ;0 |
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| 03:50.48 | luke-jr | on that note, KDE works very fine on Sandy Bridge CPU/GPU |
| 03:50.51 | N9NU | thre is another app: gtkfind |
| 03:50.59 | luke-jr | I don't use GTK apps |
| 03:51.09 | N9NU | i dont blame ya ; |
| 03:51.42 | luke-jr | anyhow |
| 03:51.46 | luke-jr | I know exactly where the file is |
| 03:52.05 | luke-jr | was just hoping that wasted CPU time Nepomuk took would benefit me in saving me 15 seconds to cd and type it |
| 03:52.22 | g2g591 | luke-jr: hows the gfx performance? 3d accelleration or just the usual integrated video sort of quality |
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| 03:52.25 | N9NU | i find that app most annoying and worthless |
| 03:52.38 | luke-jr | g2g591: far far better than my Radeon was |
| 03:52.39 | N9NU | that and that strigi thing. |
| 03:52.46 | luke-jr | g2g591: as far as 3D at least |
| 03:52.53 | luke-jr | I'll find out video accel in a bit |
| 03:53.09 | luke-jr | N9NU: don't forget Akonadi. |
| 03:53.16 | luke-jr | Akonadi is the most evil of them all |
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| 03:53.27 | N9NU | oh yes/// |
| 03:53.38 | N9NU | they just do squat |
| 03:53.46 | luke-jr | I wish |
| 03:54.02 | luke-jr | squat would be better than the negative effects they really have -.- |
| 03:54.12 | luke-jr | anyhow, yeah⦠Sandy Bridge kills the Radeon |
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| 03:54.26 | luke-jr | who needs a video card when you get better performance from IGP |
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| 04:18.08 | g2g591 | and by radeon you mean integrated or dedicated? |
| 04:18.27 | g2g591 | luke-jr: |
| 04:18.40 | luke-jr | discrete/dedicated |
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| 04:19.19 | g2g591 | luke-jr: nice! yeah i suppose having video right on the same die on the processer would really boost the crap outta it |
| 04:20.14 | g2g591 | luke-jr: im gonna really have to look into that for my next desktop :) too bad my main is a lappy (that has an i7 and other beastly stats) |
| 04:20.24 | luke-jr | although, do note, it was a X850 |
| 04:20.39 | luke-jr | never tried those new HD stuff, but from what comparisons I've seen they aren't much faster |
| 04:20.55 | g2g591 | luke-jr: i dont know radions that well, like 1-2 years ago ish? |
| 04:21.02 | luke-jr | pretty sure the mobile Sandy Bridges have the same GPU |
| 04:21.12 | luke-jr | no, I think X850 was more like 5 years ago |
| 04:21.31 | luke-jr | for a looong time, it was the best video card supported by Linux tho |
| 04:22.02 | luke-jr | 2004 |
| 04:22.07 | luke-jr | so 7 years ago >_< |
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| 04:23.13 | g2g591 | luke-jr: hehe, i really know the value of support :) my laptop oim on now is a vaio F series, so I have to use the propriatary nvidia for 3d accel AND for proper resolution, and if the video is screwed up bad on the vts after i start X |
| 04:23.36 | luke-jr | yeah, having to use nVidia sucks |
| 04:23.46 | luke-jr | I just don't buy stuff w/o proper support |
| 04:24.06 | luke-jr | I spent like $130 for the X850 when the HD series were going for $50 -.- |
| 04:24.07 | g2g591 | luke-jr: having to use nvidia and having it STILL have significant bugs is waht really bothers me :/ |
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| 04:33.27 | g2g591 | ew, my rekonq just randomly crashed with a strange error |
| 04:33.51 | g2g591 | Application: rekonq (kdeinit4 (deleted)), signal: Segmentation fault |
| 04:34.16 | g2g591 | and i can quite assure you my /usr/bin/kdeinit4 is quite inteact and i was able to restart the browser just fine |
| 04:34.59 | g2g591 | wierd :/ |
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| 07:04.29 | kollapse | Hi. Does the latest KDE have a âsearch in pdf filesâ function by any chance ? |
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| 07:12.09 | Sho_ | kollapse: yes, KDE's desktop search can index PDFs and search within them |
| 07:12.37 | kollapse | Sho_, That is, from version 4.5.x ? |
| 07:12.48 | Sho_ | kollapse: From 4.0+ |
| 07:13.23 | kollapse | Sho_, Hmm, I wonder how I missed that. Does it require neopomuk/strigi ? |
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| 07:15.29 | Sho_ | kollapse: yep |
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| 07:15.46 | Sho_ | strigi is the indexer/searcher, nepomuk is the storage for the index and the processor for search queries |
| 07:17.05 | kollapse | Sho_, I'll enable it then. Thanks for the help. |
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| 07:26.38 | Wizard | hi |
| 07:26.47 | Wizard | i experience strange behaviour |
| 07:27.05 | Wizard | i've installed kde on ubuntu (last lts) |
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| 07:27.32 | Wizard | every newly opened window opens in fullscreen, also maximizing windows fullscreen it |
| 07:27.42 | Wizard | i can't find any settings |
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| 07:30.38 | ompaul | Wizard: you mean you did apt-get install kde on ubuntu? |
| 07:30.41 | ompaul | or something else? |
| 07:31.45 | Wizard | kubuntu-desktop |
| 07:31.59 | Wizard | it installs some ubuntu tools too |
| 07:32.32 | ompaul | Wizard: i know - drop into #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net and have a chat with them - it is not an issue for here tbh |
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| 07:33.12 | Wizard | yeah, of course |
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| 07:33.32 | Wizard | you would consider this a kde issue if i copiled latest git by myself :S |
| 07:34.02 | ompaul | Wizard: na I'd blame gentoo, just kidding :) |
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| 07:34.52 | Wizard | besides, i bet #kubuntu is occupied by unix geeks |
| 07:35.06 | Wizard | the could only laugh at my problem :> |
| 07:35.19 | ompaul | you confuse it with #freebsd |
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| 07:35.45 | Wizard | ompaul: :P |
| 07:35.57 | ompaul | Wizard: ;-) |
| 07:36.16 | Wizard | hmm, i even cleaned ~/.kde |
| 07:36.28 | Wizard | and it still fullscreens everything |
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| 08:07.46 | Wizard | k, i fixed this |
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| 08:08.08 | Wizard | removing kubuntu-netbook-defaults (or something like this) helped |
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| 09:09.27 | willemb | Hey. is kde any snappier using nvidia binary drivers than nouveau |
| 09:09.57 | Sho_ | willemb: depends, desktop effects might be snappier, but many people say nouveau does better on the 2d side of things |
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| 09:12.11 | willemb | i see some weirdness on my desktop using nouveau at the moment. like sometimes, a skype window will display the desktop background where the message pane should be. ayone else have such weirdness? |
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| 09:14.53 | willemb | damn, enabling effects just crashed my session |
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| 11:19.37 | Kano | hi, when the icons in the panel are always set to the left and not possible to move em to the right, what caused that? |
| 11:21.06 | Kano | kde 4.4.5 |
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| 12:01.36 | Wizard | not much chatting here, i see |
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| 12:27.59 | arpawolf | Was wondering how can I turn off the KDE's effect of when the mouse cursor hovers over a menu item it autoselects- without clicking the item? |
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| 12:29.37 | ct529 | hi guys .... i am having so many problems with kwin/xorg and cpu/memory preformance that I switched to icewm .... anyone experiencing similar problems? In particular when I have firefox running, my laptop jams constantly .... handfuls of seconds to execute anything .... nothing of that sort with icewm (or gnome even, but icewm miles better) |
| 12:30.22 | ct529 | windows that freeze for seconds at a time when maximised and so on .... kde 454 on ubuntu 1004 lts at 64 bit here |
| 12:30.41 | ct529 | I googled around and it seems it is not only me, but a lot of people on different platforms |
| 12:33.39 | ct529 | it has to be kwin, because the other windows managers do not seem to cause the havoc |
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| 12:36.31 | Sho_ | arpawolf: hi, which sort of menus do you mean? |
| 12:37.23 | arpawolf | um like some of the defualt program files under the menu and even a chess program as well |
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| 12:42.21 | Sho_ | arpawolf: ok, so you mean menubar menus etc - no, you can't turn that off afaik, sorry (there was a possibility that you mean the kickoff launcher menu on the panel, which has a activate-on-hover mechanic that can be disabled) |
| 12:44.40 | arpawolf | thanks Sho, yea it also happens on when hovering over a menu item on a specific active program so that might be the kickoff launcher menu? |
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| 12:46.09 | Sho_ | arpawolf: hm i can't really follow you ... screenshot might help |
| 12:48.27 | arpawolf | Not so sure a screeb shot would help it would only show the program open after the fact |
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| 13:05.47 | whippiii | hi all, I need to know how to create new shortcuts on KDE 4. I have some applications wich I'd like to make available from global shortcuts, but I can't see any «add new shortcut» on KDE global shortcuts configuration |
| 13:06.13 | whippiii | sorry by my English, It's not my first language |
| 13:06.44 | annma | it's in Custom shortcuts |
| 13:07.03 | whippiii | annma: where is that option located? |
| 13:07.18 | annma | in systemsettings -> Shortcuts |
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| 13:08.17 | whippiii | annma: I'm on shortcuts inside: Systemsettings -> Keyboard & Mouse |
| 13:08.32 | whippiii | annma: I don't see any systemsettings -> Shortcuts |
| 13:10.08 | annma | I have it in French |
| 13:10.23 | whippiii | :S |
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| 13:11.17 | annma | you don't have "shortcuts and gestures" in system settings? |
| 13:11.25 | annma | with 3 entries in it |
| 13:11.48 | whippiii | annma: only Gestures |
| 13:11.53 | annma | custom shotcuts, standard shortcuts and global shortcuts |
| 13:12.29 | whippiii | annma: there're only the two last |
| 13:12.48 | annma | what kde version and what distribution |
| 13:12.51 | whippiii | there isn't any custom shortcut |
| 13:13.01 | whippiii | annma: Debian squeeze, KDE 4.4 |
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| 13:13.36 | annma | no idea then |
| 13:13.59 | whippiii | ok |
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| 13:26.24 | sre-su | Why is http://decibel.kde.org/ not working? |
| 13:26.38 | sre-su | What's going about decibel? |
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| 13:32.15 | kmzby | hi all |
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| 13:33.06 | kmzby | could anyone please tell me if there's any hotkey to autocomplete the TO field in KMail composer window? |
| 13:33.26 | kmzby | smth like "ctrl+k" in outlook |
| 13:34.00 | kmzby | unfortunately autocompletion in a popup window doesn't suit me |
| 13:34.10 | lord_rob | Hi ! There was a very good vector drawing program for Qt, but I can't remember its name. Can anybody help me ? |
| 13:34.12 | Wizard | oh, could somebody tell him? |
| 13:34.17 | Wizard | because i need that too :D |
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| 13:35.32 | annma | for Qt? |
| 13:35.43 | lord_rob | I think so |
| 13:35.55 | lord_rob | using Qt libs |
| 13:36.02 | sre-su | Duh |
| 13:36.03 | lord_rob | actually |
| 13:36.04 | mokoloko | karbon? :D |
| 13:36.04 | annma | look at qt-apps.org maybe |
| 13:36.16 | annma | karbon is build with KDE libs |
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| 13:37.01 | lord_rob | I don't think it was karbon |
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| 13:45.30 | AndreS_work | Hi. I was wondering: where can I find a control to modify the opacity of the plasmoid on my desktop? I find them a little bit too transparent by default, which makes some of them (the calendar for instance) a bit lard to read. |
| 13:47.31 | kmzby | afair there's no such control |
| 13:48.07 | kmzby | maybe somewhere inside of your plasma theme svgs :) |
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| 13:51.26 | AndreS_work | Hmmm.. That's a pitty. I would have hoped there was some setting somewhere... |
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| 13:54.18 | lord_rob | Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 13:54.35 | lord_rob | Inkscape was the name I was looking for :) |
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| 14:43.14 | kjames | Hi all, if I drop a hotkey definition file into /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys, should it just work? Or do I need to update other files somewhere else as well? |
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| 15:26.23 | kjames | Hi all, if I drop a hotkey definition file into /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys, should it just work? Or do I need to update other files somewhere else as well? |
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| 17:03.21 | Tribaal | Hi folks, I'm trying to get uic to generate an implementation for my header file (using "uic -i myheader.h", on linux, with qt4 installed). However uic complains by showing me the usage text. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:07.59 | aseigo | Tribaal: i really recommend using a proper build system for that (qmake, cmake) ... automates all of that and makes it so much easier |
| 17:09.06 | Tribaal | aseigo, alright. So I have only .ui file so far (use qt-designer). Where do I go from here? Most tutorials I followed have a "uic -i" step... |
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| 17:09.52 | Malar | hi. after installing new login themes through "Login Screen" dialog it is not listed there. is it a bug or is it getting downloaded somewhere where i should point it to install it? |
| 17:10.39 | aseigo | Tribaal: there's documentation on qmake included with Qt .. you'll want to write a .pro file |
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| 17:17.53 | Tribaal | aseigo, I got the .pro now, but the part I cannot wrap my head around is how to get a cpp file generated. It seems to be incredibly easy in the tutorials (one line or less), but it simply fails. I would immagine that it's a fairly common pitfall, since my application is really really simple (hello, world) |
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| 17:18.31 | aseigo | Tribaal: read the Qt tutorial. it's all there. step by step. |
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| 17:26.21 | Tribaal | aseigo, I got it now, the confusing thing is that in Ubuntu the "QT Designer" refered to in the tutorial is actually "QT Creator"... Thanks for your time. |
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| 17:30.02 | sreich | Tribaal: sounds like an ubuntu bug then |
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| 17:34.27 | Tribaal | sreich, Probably. Anyway, all is fine and dandy now, and I'm a happy QT newbie :) |
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| 17:36.03 | sreich | Tribaal: it's Qt, fyi. QT is quicktime |
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| 17:44.29 | esperegu | anyone knows how to use vlc so it will play over the devices selected in the phonon settings? |
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| 17:49.07 | verbalshadow | esperegu: install phonon-vlc and prefer it over the other backends in systemsettings |
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| 17:49.40 | verbalshadow | or do you mean so vlc will open up all media files? |
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| 17:51.21 | esperegu | verbalshadow: isn't that the other way around? I want vlc to use the devices setted by phonon, not the pc to play everything over phonon |
| 17:51.23 | esperegu | or? |
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| 17:57.45 | esperegu | verbalshadow: I want when I open a file with vlc that it uses the device set in the phonon system settings |
| 17:57.48 | _1094kms | anyone here with a dell e6400 or a Nvidia nvs 160m card. I have major performance problems like maximizing window takes 2 seconds - bringing yakuake down 7 seconds !!! I have another similar install (also arch all latest KDE) with an old Nvidia so this points the gfx being the problem. |
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| 17:59.06 | _1094kms | the other install works just fine - and I have even blur enabled on this and it's at least 3 years older than the Dell. |
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| 17:59.35 | pinotree | try to disable the brur |
| 17:59.37 | pinotree | *blur |
| 18:00.08 | _1094kms | pinotree: I don't have blur or effects enabled on the Dell, the old machine with blur works fine |
| 18:05.29 | _1094kms | I really think it's the gfx (NVS 160m) It has 256MB memory but gets reported as 512MB to X. Could this lead to a problem that KDE or X gets greedy with allocation gfx memory because it thinks it has plenty? |
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| 18:06.51 | kjames | Hi all, if I drop a hotkey definition file into /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys, should it just work? Or do I need to update other files somewhere else as well? |
| 18:07.49 | thiago_ny | _1094kms: if that happens, the driver is at fault. |
| 18:08.48 | annma | kjames: a hotkay to do what |
| 18:10.12 | kjames | annma: run a command. I have an Archos 9 tablet which has a "keyboard" physical key, which reports as alt-scrolllock. I want to have this key run a script which starts (or kills) xvkbd |
| 18:10.15 | sreich | thiago_ny: you're in newyork?? |
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| 18:10.58 | kjames | I have configured the key successfully in the GUI but it puts the definition in my users' profile. I want to have it at a system level in case I create more users |
| 18:10.58 | annma | kjames: can(t you do it via systemsettings? |
| 18:11.08 | annma | ah OK |
| 18:11.31 | _1094kms | thiago_ny: is it possible that this happens. I asked that question before I think on a NVIDIA bord and they said it doesn't matter what gets reported. But I think if the kernel scheduler thought it had 2GB of ram but really it has only 1GB surely performance would plummet which seems to be consisten with what I'm experiencing after I opened a couple of apps. |
| 18:11.33 | annma | so copy the user config file part to global |
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| 18:14.59 | kjames | annma: I've done that, but my key isn't working. This page http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3247412/how-do-i-create-keyboard-shortcuts-programmatically-in-kde makes it look like you have to run another command, but that command isn't on my system |
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| 18:15.53 | annma | kjames: what file did you copy to? |
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| 18:23.05 | yecril71pl | kwindecoration: preview does not update with options |
| 18:24.19 | Darothane | nvm i worked it out |
| 18:24.55 | kjames | annma: I created a file /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys/archos9.khotkeys - contents at http://pastebin.com/NC7K93ca |
| 18:25.20 | yecril71pl | kwin: keyboard focus is not synchronised with z-order upon startup |
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| 18:25.58 | yecril71pl | (the active window is obscured by inactive windows) |
| 18:26.22 | yecril71pl | it is very confusing because you do not know what window you are talking to |
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| 18:27.44 | yecril71pl | (using activate per click) |
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| 18:30.13 | Igoru | i'm a gnome user using amarok. what's the name of the program i need to install to configure kde themes [that amarok uses]? |
| 18:32.04 | cb400f | systemsettings |
| 18:33.13 | cb400f | but depending on your distro it's prolly in a package called kdebase4-workspace or similar |
| 18:33.29 | Igoru | kde-systemsettings on ubuntu |
| 18:33.30 | Igoru | ty :D |
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| 18:59.20 | annma | kjames: sorry I went having dinner |
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| 18:59.43 | annma | kjames: in your user, what file was modified when you added the hotkey |
| 19:00.24 | kjames | annma: no problem, still trying to figure this out. it was ~/.kde4/share/config/khotkeysrc |
| 19:01.05 | annma | so it needs to be /usr/share/kde4/share/config/khotkeysrc |
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| 19:01.55 | annma | or even /usr/share/config/khotkeysrc |
| 19:02.29 | annma | you need to create this file with the config group and the relevant lines |
| 19:02.46 | annma | copied from your user ~/.kde4/share/config/khotkeysrc file |
| 19:03.04 | kjames | so it's nothing to do with the files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys then? |
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| 19:06.33 | annma | no |
| 19:07.34 | annma | try what I said please |
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| 19:20.26 | annma | kjames: doesit work? |
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| 19:49.26 | kjames | annma: I will try it now |
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| 19:51.34 | annma | ok |
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| 19:54.23 | kjames | annma: I renamed my file to /usr/share/kde4/config/hotkeysrc, but still no luck |
| 19:55.18 | annma | what's your file |
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| 19:56.37 | annma | you need to put in the file what was added in the local file |
| 19:58.09 | kjames | http://pastebin.com/vnbZTaET |
| 19:58.32 | kjames | At the moment it's set to start firefox so I can see if it's working |
| 19:59.14 | annma | was all that added in your local khotkeysrc file? |
| 20:03.28 | kjames | most of it, some of it is in all files (like datacount etc) |
| 20:03.41 | kjames | Thanks for your help so far, but I have to go. I really do appreciate it. |
| 20:03.46 | kjames | need to get food ;) |
| 20:03.56 | annma | ok! good luck |
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| 21:02.11 | luke-jr | How can I get sound working in KDE apps? |
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| 21:02.27 | luke-jr | No matter what I do, what hardware I'm on, KDE always claims my sound device "does not work" |
| 21:02.33 | luke-jr | which is BS, as everything else besides KDE works fine |
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| 21:28.09 | ompaul | luke-jr: click on your speaker icon use the mixer tool to choose the right hardware and then use it to set the volumes etc |
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| 23:02.25 | toomanymirrors | i'm running 4.5.5 and when i start, the wallpaper is visible but it hides all the applications, widgets, panel etc. |
| 23:02.50 | toomanymirrors | i can alt tab and cycle thru applications, but none show up, just the wallpaper |
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| 23:16.33 | yecril71pl | âThis option specifies how much KWin will try to prevent unwanted focus stealingâ â which option? |
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| 23:24.29 | thiago_ny | the focus stealing prevention setting |
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| 23:26.24 | yecril71pl | Bug 263929 |
| 23:26.44 | yecril71pl | How does the focus stealing prevention work? |
| 23:27.00 | thiago_ny | a window asks to be rasined |
| 23:27.01 | thiago_ny | raised |
| 23:27.07 | thiago_ny | the window manager decides whether to raise it |
| 23:27.23 | pinotree | yecril71pl: note that <URL: ...> has no meaning in bugzilla, urls are already marked as such |
| 23:27.24 | thiago_ny | the logic inside depends on whether you've been using another another application and how long it's been |
| 23:27.46 | thiago_ny | for example, if you click or type in an application while another is opening, the new app's window will not be raised |
| 23:28.18 | yecril71pl | pinotree: <URL: > has as much meaning in bugzilla as it has in every other plain text, as defined by the URI RFC. |
| 23:28.32 | thiago_ny | huh... where? |
| 23:28.36 | pinotree | uh? |
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| 23:28.48 | yecril71pl | URI RFC, published by IETF. |
| 23:29.06 | thiago_ny | huh... where? |
| 23:29.29 | thiago_ny | there's no "URL:" anywhere in RFC 3986 |
| 23:29.30 | pinotree | what i'm saying is that you can just write an url as it is, no need to surround it in that <URL: ...> syntax |
| 23:30.03 | thiago_ny | which section and paragraph of http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986 ? |
| 23:30.44 | yecril71pl | [Page 51] |
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| 23:31.27 | pinotree | " is no longer recommended" |
| 23:31.51 | pinotree | as i said, bugzilla already recognizes url without that syntax, so you can just avoid it |
| 23:31.53 | thiago_ny | The prefix "URL:" (with or without a trailing space) was formerly |
| 23:31.59 | Twey | It's a recommendation, and URL: is a deprecated one: the current one is <foo> |
| 23:32.00 | thiago_ny | recommended as a way to help distinguish a URI from other bracketed |
| 23:32.05 | yecril71pl | Agreed. Not recommended. |
| 23:32.13 | thiago_ny | designators, though it is not commonly used in practice and is no longer recommended. |
| 23:32.31 | yecril71pl | Not recommended and discouraged are different things. |
| 23:33.08 | yecril71pl | Returning to the focus problem, I have this setting set to Low. |
| 23:33.27 | thiago_ny | ok, and what's the problem? |
| 23:33.32 | yecril71pl | Is it the reason why the restored session always has different window front and different active? |
| 23:34.02 | thiago_ny | because applications load in different orders |
| 23:34.04 | yecril71pl | It is very awkward |
| 23:34.19 | thiago_ny | the window stacking order is not saved as part of the session |
| 23:34.32 | yecril71pl | I do not know what window is active |
| 23:35.16 | yecril71pl | and I end up typing to some invisible window in the background |
| 23:35.38 | yecril71pl | and the result is unpredictable |
| 23:35.49 | thiago_ny | the active window has a non-greyed-out title |
| 23:36.20 | yecril71pl | The title of the active window is often invisible |
| 23:37.34 | yecril71pl | Will the stacking be more predictable if I disable focus change prevention? |
| 23:37.38 | thiago_ny | no |
| 23:37.48 | thiago_ny | completely unrelated to session restoring |
| 23:38.14 | yecril71pl | My goal: upon session restore, front window = active window. |
| 23:38.23 | yecril71pl | Is it possible under KWin? |
| 23:39.19 | thiago_ny | no idea |
| 23:39.36 | thiago_ny | usually yes: the focus stealing prevention will make the frontmost window be the active |
| 23:39.43 | thiago_ny | you're not typing in a window that is in the back |
| 23:40.01 | yecril71pl | Should I set it to High then? |
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| 23:40.52 | yecril71pl | (this is so confusing I even got the overall direction wrong?) |
| 23:41.58 | thiago_ny | high prevention, low prevention |
| 23:42.36 | yecril71pl | Will it help if I set the prevention to High? |
| 23:43.37 | yecril71pl | Is there an action in KWin to bring the active window to front? |
| 23:44.06 | thiago_ny | not that I know of |
| 23:44.27 | thiago_ny | check the list of possible actions in system settings, where you configure global shortcuts for kwin |
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| 23:45.22 | yecril71pl | If I set focus prevention to High, Firefox will not come to the front when called from KDE, will it? |
| 23:45.46 | thiago_ny | I don't know, I don't use firefox |
| 23:45.51 | yecril71pl | (Right now, FF comes to the front when it starts, but not afterwards) |
| 23:46.12 | yecril71pl | What does Konquror do when it is the browser of choice? |
| 23:46.37 | thiago_ny | a new window pops up |
| 23:46.54 | thiago_ny | I don't know what happens if you have the setting to open external links in tabs in an existing window |
| 23:47.47 | yecril71pl | What happens if prevention is High? |
| 23:48.05 | thiago_ny | I don't know, I have it in Low |
| 23:48.56 | yecril71pl | set prevention to High |
| 23:49.16 | yecril71pl | Konqueror opens in the background when called from command line |
| 23:49.28 | yecril71pl | It sucks |
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| 23:49.52 | nbnds | which kde software do you use regularly? |
| 23:50.26 | yecril71pl | I use kwrite, Konqueror, K3b |
| 23:50.39 | yecril71pl | Kontact |
| 23:50.53 | yecril71pl | Konversation, of course |
| 23:50.59 | yecril71pl | Amarok |
| 23:51.02 | yecril71pl | Kid3 |
| 23:51.11 | yecril71pl | KHelpCenter |
| 23:51.14 | yecril71pl | Konsole |
| 23:52.10 | yecril71pl | is contemplating reporting an enhancement request against KWin |
| 23:52.10 | nbnds | I mainly use Konqueror, Konsole, Kopete, and Dolphin |
| 23:52.52 | nbnds | I tried to get into use of Kontact, but for me it crashed too often |
| 23:53.08 | yecril71pl | It hardly ever crashes now |
| 23:53.34 | nbnds | maybe distribution dependent... |
| 23:53.43 | yecril71pl | It has its idiosyncrasies, but it seems it is being worked on. |
| 23:54.00 | yecril71pl | heard Akonadi was the culprit |
| 23:54.32 | yecril71pl | Kontact switched to Akonadi, which was the Good Thing and the Wrong Thing at the time. |
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| 23:54.57 | nbnds | which distro do you run kde on? |
| 23:55.19 | yecril71pl | openSuSE 11.3 KDE 4.4 |
| 23:55.48 | nbnds | heard opensuse makes best kde desktop available |
| 23:56.18 | yecril71pl | So it was a lucky choice :-) |
| 23:56.26 | nbnds | i tried kubuntu and it was buggy here and there, to sum up = unusable |
| 23:56.48 | yecril71pl | KDE and SuSE are long-time neighbours |
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| 23:57.06 | yecril71pl | It seems the main goal of SuSE was to promote KDE |
| 23:57.37 | thiago_ny | it's spelt SUSE these days |
| 23:57.40 | thiago_ny | they keep changing :-) |
| 23:58.04 | yecril71pl | does not like hollow changes |
| 23:58.10 | luke-jr | Akonadi is KIO rewritten wrong -.- |
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| 23:58.36 | yecril71pl | Microsoft had a similar idea for Vista and they had to back off |
| 23:58.46 | nbnds | on my pretty low end hardware KDE doesnt run as smooth as i wished it to do |
| 23:59.29 | luke-jr | nbnds: surprised it runs at all |
| 23:59.37 | luke-jr | KDE is pretty resource hungry nowadays |
| 23:59.43 | yecril71pl | What does low end mean in nbndsâs world? |
| 23:59.46 | luke-jr | heh |
| 23:59.49 | luke-jr | good point |
| 23:59.55 | luke-jr | to me, low end means 128 MB RAM or less ;P |