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02:54.06diegoviolahi
02:54.44diegoviolaI want to give KDE a try again, I'm using XFCE4 now, the reason why I switched to XFCE4 was that KDE4 was very slow on my machine, I have a Dell XPS M1530 laptop.
02:55.06diegoviolasometimes plasma would freeze completely to the point where I had to hard reboot the computer
02:55.11diegoviolanot only plasma, the whole desktop
02:55.58James147diegoviola: what version did you last use?
02:56.05diegoviolait would get extremely slow and unstable and the desktop effects would be disabled automatically
02:56.38diegoviolawith the desktop effects turned off it would be very slow also
02:57.21diegoviolaJames147: the latest one archlinux provides, 4.5.4 iirc
02:58.10diegoviolaI had a minimal install, as descrived here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kde#Minimal_install
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03:02.50jef91Is there a way I can have KDE applications use my current GTK theme?
03:04.55anthony-gnomefanwhen i start compiz (with compiz --replace) I get a error that kwin has crashed and my window decorations are missing. If it helps im using Kubuntu 10.10and a Nvidea card
03:06.43anthony-gnomefanany ideas?
03:07.36rtdoshow do i configure kate to compile and or run a java or c++ program ?
03:08.59James147rtdos: enable the "build plugin"
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03:12.48rtdosi've got that but i'm stumped now, where do i go to build or compile?
03:13.22James147rtdos: build > run make  ... but first you need to create a Makefile
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03:13.49diegoviolais there anything I can do to solve this?
03:13.58James147rtdos: there are allot of good tutorials on the web about creating a makefile and how to use make :) its worth learning
03:14.13rtdosi'm tryin' i'm tryin' :)
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03:19.43rtdosdoh! james, um, i guess it would help if i saved my settings, eh? :)
03:20.01James147rtdos: generally :)
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03:24.45rtdosjames, it is possible to use kate to run java bytecode using javac?
03:26.51James147rtdos: ^^ it has an inbuilt terminal :)
03:27.29diegoviolawhen I right-click in a url/link in konsole I don't get a menu
03:27.39diegoviolawhy is that?
03:27.43diegoviolait doesn't do anything...
03:30.05rtdosview > switch to command line?
03:30.15diegoviola?
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03:31.15James147rtdos: view > tools view > show terminal.... if not enable it in the plugins part of kates settings first :) it should also appear as a tab at the bottom of the screen
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03:34.24rtdosjames, is there a way to change the default save location for kate?
03:36.14James147rtdos: System settings > Account Details > Paths and set the "Documents Path" to where you want tit
03:36.38James147^^ although quite afew kde programs use that path for there dialogs :S
03:39.19rtdosok, thanks.
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04:36.47diegoviolahi
04:37.04diegoviolawhen i right click in a url in konsole i don't get the menu to open the link in a new window
04:37.09diegoviolai don't get a menu at all
04:38.06diegoviolaany ideas
04:39.20sreichbug
04:40.00diegoviolawhy is kde so buggy?
04:40.17sreich??
04:41.15sreichcompared to..what, exactly?
04:41.31diegoviolaWindows
04:41.45diegoviolaVista
04:41.52sreichhaha
04:42.04diegoviola;)
04:42.06verbalshadowdiegoviola: you really think it is more buggy than windows, lol
04:42.07sreichand you think that windows is amazingly stable?
04:42.10diegoviolaI know I was joking
04:42.30GabrielYYZi kinda like Microsoft BSOD home edition... :S
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04:43.10sreichGabrielYYZ: oh, I love the ultimate edition of that. I get all kinds of extras, like black screens instead of blue
04:43.27GabrielYYZsreich: but it costs more :(
04:43.45sreichbut you get one or two priceless extras!
04:43.55GabrielYYZwith the home edition you get your BSODs for cheap
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05:02.24diegoviolahttp://ompldr.org/vNHJtbw
05:02.34diegoviolawhat is that widget at the bottom?
05:03.39sreicha 3rd party one that I don't recognize
05:04.03sreichwonders how it knows that there are 6 arch updates
05:04.11sreichwonders what ti uses to interface w/ that
05:04.31diegoviolaprobably pacman library?
05:04.56sreichmeh, was hoping it'd be cooler than that
05:05.07sreichlike a pacman manager
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05:18.37DarthGandalfHello, why does my taskbar try to connect to identi.ca? It fails with cert today with many errors, and taskbar is gray.
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05:22.25DarthGandalfI can switch tasks only by Alt-Tab because of that.
05:23.21sreichsounds like a modal event loop somewhere. or maybe it just froze?
05:23.27sreiche.g. messagebox
05:24.51DarthGandalfThere're 5 errors about auth, I click Close on one of them, and new one immediately appears.
05:25.33DarthGandalfI don't want to accept broken auth to anywhere. Why does it connect to there in first place?...
05:26.20sreichidenti.ca is like twitter except..Free
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05:26.43sreichas for why it's connecting...*shrug*, sounds like there's an applet there that you don't know about?
05:26.49sreichor that you distro setup, etc.?
05:27.21DarthGandalfIt's kubuntu, but I didn't add any identi.ca applet...
05:28.21DarthGandalfUhm, I had something by default on desktop... Didn't look what applets are there, as I never use desktop anyway...
05:28.48DarthGandalfIs there a way to minimize all windows from keyboard?
05:29.39sreichyes
05:29.54sreichglobal shortcuts, find kwin (I think), then "show desktop"
05:30.14sreichor if you have a show desktop applet up, you can just goto it's settings and set a shortcut for that
05:32.27DarthGandalfThere is an applet "KDEuBlog" there...
05:32.46DarthGandalfProbably it's it/
05:33.31DarthGandalfHow to kill an applet without access to that button in right top?
05:33.56sreichwhat button is that?
05:34.53DarthGandalfPlasma has a button for configuring applets... But now desktop and taskbar are both gray, and if I click anywhere there, it only shows those errors.
05:35.20DarthGandalfButton with erm... a yellow something.
05:35.43GabrielYYZcashew*
05:36.04sreichyou don't really remove widgets with the cashew
05:36.15sreichusually you just right click them, or mouse over them, and click remove
05:36.22sreichwhen widgets are unlocked, that is
05:36.25DarthGandalfBut I can't click to there ><
05:36.45sreichto where
05:37.08DarthGandalfTo desktop to remove the applet.
05:37.35GabrielYYZhave you tried to log out and back in?
05:46.24DarthGandalfGabrielYYZ: didn't help, those errors are there again..
05:47.08GabrielYYZhmm and you say you suspect the culprit is a widget?
05:47.19GabrielYYZKDEuBlog
05:47.28DarthGandalfWhat else wants to connect to identi.ca?
05:48.10DarthGandalfLogging out and back in can't just remove the applet anyway...
05:48.33sreichwell, if it was a bug it's possible it could have resolved
05:49.46DarthGandalfWhere is list of applets in configs? I'll try to remove it from there after logging out...
05:51.37James147DarthGandalf: widgets are stored in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-[desktop|netbook]-appletsrc
05:57.45DarthGandalfThanks...
05:57.51DarthGandalfRemoving it helped.
05:58.07DarthGandalfSo something is wrong with "twitter" applet.
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07:01.11diegoviolaKDE 4.5.4 will work bad without HAL?
07:01.27diegoviolait needs HAL doesn't it?
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07:09.10GabrielYYZyeah, it does
07:09.23GabrielYYZ4.6 doesn't, if i'm not mistaken
07:10.39xaphirI've had kde 4.5 working without hal
07:10.54xaphirI had to install the hal libs in order to get drm working for a game
07:11.02xaphirotherwise it would have been invisible
07:11.31GabrielYYZudev handles most stuff, but it's still needed
07:11.56xaphirI never noticed it till I ran wine, and even then I wouldn't have needed it unless drm popped up
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07:12.21diegoviolait seems that my stability issues was because I didn't had HAL
07:12.24xaphirdesktop effects and everything was working ok
07:12.31diegoviolanow I reinstalled everything and enabled HAL
07:12.35diegoviolaand things seem better
07:12.49xaphirI never had a stability problem but I only run qt libs and no gnome.
07:13.01xaphirjust pure kde stuff.
07:13.22xaphirand fedora 14.
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07:27.33shentinois this the correct place to make suggestions for workarounds in Qt bugs?
07:27.41shentinoI have a stinker that's hurting konv
07:28.18diegoviolarecommend me some dark plasma theme
07:28.19diegoviolapls
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07:31.43shentinobug 322165 on gentoo
07:36.38verbalshadowdiegoviola: neda is pretty good
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09:12.58diegoviolawhere can i get the neda theme?
09:13.21diegoviolaI can't find it at the GHNS
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10:07.44Cndyhow to show menubar for konversation if I hidden it
10:12.22cb400fctrl+m
10:12.33cb400fCndy: ^
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11:18.23lamdkehh... whats the program in KDE to connect to wireless called?  its missing in ma system tray for some reason
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11:26.14Zaisterrunning KDE 4.6 RC1 and I have the problem that dolphin crashes when I try to call up the settings dialog. is that a known issue, or ist there something I can do about it?
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11:31.24patkoscsabahi all
11:32.03patkoscsabawhere can I find the background image for the tab/menu bars of the default Oxygen theme in KDE4.5 ?
11:32.33patkoscsabaI mean the image which blends with the gradient of the title bar
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12:10.27AL13Ni would like to autostart an app in case of audio CD or DVD is put into a drive
12:10.43AL13Npreferably instead of the popup notification
12:10.48AL13Nany ideas?
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12:24.28eddybhi
12:25.27eddybI've got a quick question: the calendar displayed by the digital/analog clocks, what level of localization does it have?
12:25.47cb400fhigh level :-)
12:26.01eddybis the starting day of the week included? (this was the actual question)
12:26.31cb400fthat's a part of your general locale settings.. you can configure starting day in systemsettings
12:26.56eddybyeah, tried in the clock setting and couldn't find it... thanks :D
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12:27.47eddybthe thing is the week starting day has been changed today in my country (Romania) from Monday to Sunday
12:28.37cb400foh.. might want to remind romanian translation team to change their defaults for kde sc 4.6 then
12:29.11cb400fhttp://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=ro
12:29.46cb400fmuch changing apparently.. estonia changing currency.. romania changing 1st weekday... :-)
12:30.51eddybthey have an email for suggestions, gonna use that
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12:36.21eddybwriting an email in my language is silly... anyway, I've dealt with that
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12:38.06alincb400f: seriously about .ro?
12:38.15alincb400f: did not hear this one...
12:38.31cb400fwhat do I know... I guess eddyb isn't lying
12:38.57alincb400f: he left...
12:39.16alincb400f: I missed this one... I knew I should have drunk less this christmas....
12:40.47alincb400f: i see nothing in the news... actually i still see last years news... probably they are still drunk
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13:00.03WalexWhen KDE starts he current directory seems always set to a subdirectory of my home directory, but I start KDE in the home directory. Rhat's quite odd. Where whould I look?
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13:01.39cb400fsystemsettings... you can configure the freedesktop.org standard paths there.. don't remember what the module is called in > 4.4
13:02.32cb400fFDO has come up with some really annoying defaults.. e.g. /home/user/Documents for all kinds of stuff
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13:20.18pprkutHi! Would anyone know what I'm missing if I can't search for a location in the weather plasmoid/wallpaper plugin (4.5)?
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13:24.45pprkutnevermind
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13:28.55werwolfhi all!
13:29.44werwolfdoes anybody speak russian here?
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13:45.48Guest53906bata 32: bist du aus Deutschland?
13:47.45Kame2Guest53906: please speek english here. for german there is #kde.de
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13:59.52lieuwei accidentally removed my sound device from my system settings, and now my sound doesnt work, how do i fix this?
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14:14.48lieuwei accidentally removed my sound device from my system settings, and now my sound doesnt work, how do i fix this?
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14:17.42cb400fone way might be to (re)move your phonondevicesrc
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14:40.12FloridaGuykde 4.5.4 !! How can i disable knotify
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14:41.41rindolfFloridaGuy: in Soviet Russia, knotify disables you.
14:44.31FloridaGuyrindolf: im in america so i can disable it......  will this work....   deleting /usr/bin/knotify4... i got it from here...  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=94528
14:44.53rindolfFloridaGuy: oh, don't do that.
14:45.53FloridaGuyrindolf: how can i stop knotify from poping up every 5 min..saying knotify crashed
14:46.07rindolfFloridaGuy: hmmm...
14:47.20pinotreeFloridaGuy: find out why knotify4 crashes, first
14:47.24FloridaGuywhat is knotify's job roll
14:48.15FloridaGuyeverytime i install mandriva with kde 4.5.4 from MiB thats what i get
14:48.19pinotreedelivery the visual notifications to the notification visualization of the current desktop environment, and do the other notifications (sounds, flash the taskbar, etc)
14:48.38pinotree*deliver
14:49.23FloridaGuyso knotify pop's that notice up..thats saying knotify crashed
14:50.06pinotreeok, then paste using a pastebin the crash report you get in that crash dialog
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15:03.33lieuwecb400f: remove my what now?
15:03.40AL13Ni would like to autostart an app in case of audio CD or DVD is put into a DVD-drive
15:03.51AL13Nanyone any idea how to do that?
15:04.15cb400flieuwe: the config file.. in ~/.kde(4)/share/config/phonondevicesrc  .. prolly best to do it when kde is not running
15:05.50mbnoimihow to enable socks proxy for whole KDE applications just like http proxy (I'm using KDE 4.5.1)
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15:06.55cb400flog out.. do console login from kdm.. many ways to skin a cat
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15:29.56mbnoimi_guys any one knows how to specify socks proxy for KDE applications just like http proxy?
15:30.45mbnoimi_I looked for it in "system setting" but I didn't find anything about socks
15:32.14AL13Ncb400f: that only holds my audio ouput devices
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17:03.10ImperionI want to change the timezone setting from "Europe/Belgrade (CET)", to "Europe/Sarajevo (CET)", but nothing happens when I select it from the list and apply
17:03.15Imperionany ideas how to fix this?
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17:40.00bretzelHi, Using KDE 4.5.4, archlinux. Is there a way to prevent akonadi, nepo(stuff) to take 100% CPUs at startup ?
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18:21.57irialIf I have konqueror open on another virtual desktop, opening a link just spawns a new window on this desktop instead of opening a new tab in the existing window. I have all the related configuration options set properly for Konqueror, or at least it looks that way. Any idea how to fix this?
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18:33.59VergeHello
18:34.13VergeIs it really intended for Akonadi to open 50-60 sockets to mysqld on startup?
18:34.33VergeI have nothing else up and running than Kopete aside the default services
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18:39.29AL13Ni would like to autostart an app in case of audio CD or DVD is put into a DVD-drive, anyone any idea how to do that?
18:39.30ompaulVerge: I'm not saying this is the definitive answer but http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ does links to  http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/robert_zwerus_storing_pim_data.pdf  which shows how it does what it does and that in itself is interesting
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18:40.35VergeI always wanted to know why Akonadi is the most common name for a Unix process in the world, never just remembered look around for an explanation
18:40.42VergeSo I'll check that
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18:44.41ValkyrieHey. I've got an issue with window tabbing. Take a look at this screenshot: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5853/snapshot2r.png -- You can see I have a terminal tabbed inside of a chromium window. But, both windows show up at the bottum taskbar. I want the terminal window to not show up, because it's tabbed in another window
18:44.47ValkyrieHow do I do that?
18:45.03VergeI don't think you can do that
18:45.10ValkyrieReally?
18:45.40ValkyrieThen what IS the purpose of window tabbing? Certaintly not to remove space from the taskbar apparently..
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18:45.59ValkyrieI only assumed KDE did that by default, considering fluxbox does. o o;
18:46.04ValkyrieYou're certain it can't?
18:46.15VergeIts purpose is to unclutter your desktop
18:46.21VergeMaybe
18:46.29VergeOr it just exists because Compiz has one
18:46.38VergeLike exploding windows
18:46.50ValkyrieVerge: But when you have 10 or 15 terminals open, your taskbar get's cluttered
18:46.58ValkyrieI'm using kwin, by the way
18:47.05ValkyrieSo i'm pretty sure this is a KDE feature.
18:47.13VergeCheck task grouping on taskbar settings
18:47.19ValkyrieI put it to manual.
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18:47.43Laugarhraun_Hi!
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18:48.52Laugarhraun_and I have to manually cancel the connection
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19:26.42Imperionhow can I have different windows on different virtual desktops? :S
19:27.00pinotreeyou either have a windows on a specific one, or on all
19:27.21Imperionokay, how can I send a window to a single desktop?
19:27.33Imperionso when I switch to another one, I won't see it any more?
19:27.52thiagoa window is shown in a desktop, or all
19:28.05thiagoif it's shown in a single one, it disappears when you go to another desktop
19:28.11pinotreeright click on the window title → on desktop → ...
19:28.31Imperionit's still in the bottom panel..
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19:28.59pinotreeah, you mean in the taskbar?
19:29.05Imperionyes
19:29.13pinotreethen say that before :)
19:29.47pinotreeright click on an empty place of the taskbar, and check the option to show only windows of the current virtual desktop
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19:30.54Imperionthanks
19:31.08Imperionalso, what are these activities for?
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19:40.35jaafarImperion: Chani blogs quite a bit about activities, here's a screencast for new users she made: http://blip.tv/file/4528392
19:40.59jaafarknows very little about them
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19:44.35Imperionthanks jaafar
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20:16.25markithi, I've kubuntu that automatically loads a microblog applet. Where is it seupt? (I need to NOT load it, globally set)
20:17.02Daskreechmarkit: #kubuntu and you can just close it. SHould not come back up again on logging in
20:17.26markitDaskreech: I have to set it up globally so every new user is not annoyed by it
20:17.50markitand #kubuntu seems for just users that don't know the inside mechanisms, as far as I've seen
20:18.06Daskreechmarkit: Oh put a plasma-desktoprc in /etc/skel
20:18.42DaskreechIt's a support channel run by volunteers. as much as they can help they will they don't care how far your knowledge runs
20:18.55markitDaskreech: ok, I'll have a look if has be done this way, thought more something like a config file with a list of plasmoid to run at login
20:19.19markitDaskreech: mine was not a blame, just explained you why is useless be there
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20:19.31markit(I'm there and I've asked teh question a hour ago, just for record)
20:20.10Daskreechmarkit: no one there had a ready answer then plus it's holidays People are sleeping :)
20:20.39markitmm /etc/skel has only 3 hidden files, seems is not the way they did
20:20.43Daskreechmarkit: you can provide a exact copy of what you want the desktop to look like first time for the user
20:20.43alinDaskreech: or drinking... in order to have a good sleep later
20:21.04Daskreechalin: or sleeping in order to be drinking later
20:21.16Daskreechor you know asleep cause it's night :)
20:22.00alinDaskreech: you are right with first just wake up... I should go continue the new year celebrations
20:22.36alinmarkit: it maybe that unless you find someone specialist in kubuntu branding you are a kind of lost...
20:23.15Daskreechmarkit: #kubuntu-devel can help
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20:23.17markitalin: I suppose the way to put a plasmoid in the desktop is "generic kde"
20:24.09markitI'm setting up a ltsp server based on kde, but is really hard and slow to find how to set things globally :(
20:24.12Daskreechmarkit: It is
20:24.13alinmarkit: yes... right click on the screen... for all the users different distros wiil use different mechanisms
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20:24.57Daskreechalin: I think he means from a System admin perspective. Setting up rules and boundaries for users that don't exist yet
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20:25.20Daskreechmarkit: You may want to look into Kiosk
20:25.42markitDaskreech: is semi-abandoned
20:25.43alinmarkit: /etc/kde4/share/
20:26.09markitalin: sure, but each thing you want to change, you have to manually find what file/key/value to use
20:26.17Daskreechmarkit: but it works. Just doesn't have the GUI that it did with KDE3
20:26.26markitwould be great to have the config manager to act there, "globally"
20:26.52DaskreechWhich does suck but so far no one has answered the calls to stepup and do so
20:27.00alinmarkit: you can set them for a user and copy them afterwards
20:29.18markitmy bad feeling is that people are forgetting the multiuser nature of GNU/Linux
20:29.27markitis become "desktop, single user" centric
20:29.38Daskreechmarkit: Yeah I know annoying
20:30.00markitand sure _buntu will be a big damage in the future on this regard
20:30.06Daskreechalso people don't seem to care about network transparency. Everything should be local
20:30.16alinmarkit: my impression is that people forget the command line nature of linus admin... and the fact that gui work only in windows
20:30.33Daskreechalin: Gui's work elsewhere
20:30.43alinDaskreech: if they are written...
20:30.46DaskreechThe Biggest UNIX distro is pretty GUI heavy
20:31.09alinanyhow drinking time now...
20:31.24markitDaskreech: me too value a lot network transparency
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20:32.07markitbut is easier to setup rdesktop for windows servers than something like that with Xephir
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20:32.39markitfor instance, 10.04 kubuntu xephyr is buggy, you don't have proper keyboard handling
20:32.46markit(at least, for non-english keybvoards)
20:32.54markitand this bug is not fixed since long time
20:33.06markitbecause people seem not to care or use or whatever
20:33.14NibbleATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with OSS drivers version 6.13.2-2 and mesa version  7.9.0.git20101207-2, can I expect KDE 4.6 to run with reasonable performance (60fps) with desktop effects enabled?
20:33.15markitwe (FOSS) are hurting ourself
20:35.35markitbtw, I would like to remove some logoff options globally... any clue?
20:35.51markitdon't want users be able to switch user, or hybernate, or do nasty things
20:35.59markitthey should only be able to "logout"
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20:41.21scnd101markit: there's settings for that in KDM settings
20:41.35markitscnd101: really? don't think so
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20:41.47scnd101yep, under shutdown
20:41.49markitbut I do hope you are right
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20:42.32markitscnd101: point me exactly what item
20:42.45markitbecause I've not found anything about "avoid switch user"
20:42.53markitor "lock"
20:43.04markitor sleep, restart, ibernate...
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20:43.30scnd101well you can disable shutdown and restart there at least
20:43.46markitalready done, thanks, but students can do really mess with other items
20:43.53markiti.e. one could hybernate the server
20:44.06markitor log as different user multiple times in a loop
20:44.18markitthe fact that is not easely setup is really sad
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20:44.33scnd101why not have passwords on the other users?
20:44.53markitscnd101: you can probably login as yourself multiple times
20:45.10markit(never tried, but...)
20:46.52scnd101maybe
20:47.38scnd101but you could definitely prevent that, I'm not sure exactly how though
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20:50.57scnd101disabling all but one virtual console (the ctrl+alt+f#) might do it
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20:51.57sreichmarkit: may want to look at kdmrc, it has a lot more in it than the ui shows
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21:02.38scnd101how do I make a notification through cli
21:02.45scnd101just need to test a theme
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21:08.05scnd101nvm
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21:23.13Eddi|zuHausehello, is there a way to log knotify messages?
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21:25.25Sho_yup
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21:26.28Sho_Eddi|zuHause: you can use the "Command" field on an event to run some sort of script and pass it the message payload as an argument via an expando. http://www.eikehein.com/tooltip.png <- this nice What's This tooltip sadly got lost in the KDE 4 port but I kept a screenie of the KDE 3 one
21:26.41Sho_then have the script log it
21:28.10Eddi|zuHausehm... that might work, but i have to do it for each event individually
21:28.26sreichSho_: soudns like you should add that.
21:28.31sreichthe whatsthis, that is
21:33.36Sho_sreich: true
21:33.45sreichSho_: go. do it.
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