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| 00:19.07 | dima_ | hi all. Does anyone knows if QML and QUICK are Webkit-based or if they are webkit-independent? |
| 00:19.38 | Jucato | independent |
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| 00:20.02 | dima_ | Jucato: thanks |
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| 00:33.56 | djustice | jscore ftw |
| 00:35.38 | Jucato | O.o |
| 00:35.53 | dasKreech | O_o |
| 00:36.01 | Jucato | -_- |
| 00:36.18 | dasKreech | O^O |
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| 00:36.29 | Spida | hi |
| 00:36.41 | Spida | I have just discovered an interesting effect with kde from squeeze: when I run mythtv (mythfrontend) on one screen of my dualscreen setup, display of the mouse cursor is disabled for that display. If I quit mythtv, the mouse cursor still doesn't get displayed on that display. |
| 00:36.46 | Spida | is this a known problem? |
| 00:38.04 | dasKreech | I know it sounds like a copout but if it only happens with mythtv perhaps check them first? |
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| 00:43.17 | dasKreech | Jucato: Hmm interesting you are not part of the Owncloud group |
| 00:44.01 | Jucato | dasKreech: not really surprising. I take a "step back, wait and see" stance on anything "cloud"-related :) |
| 00:44.40 | dasKreech | :-) Your last dent has !owncloud and I got a link to the group that doesn't normally happen unless you are part of the group |
| 00:45.05 | dasKreech | like if I say !gnome it doesn't go to the group (obviously) but it's also not linked so someone can find the group |
| 00:45.39 | Jucato | hm really? didn't know about that |
| 00:45.41 | dasKreech | I didn't know there was an owncloud group so I was looking through it from your post when it occured to me that you weren't one of the members :) |
| 00:46.26 | Jucato | yeah I don't know if there is a group actually. I just presumed :) |
| 00:46.33 | dasKreech | Ha ha :) nice |
| 00:47.12 | dasKreech | I have a sickness for joining groups luckily other than KDE all the other stuff i;m intersted in no one cares about :) |
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| 00:47.18 | dasKreech | !kopete anyone? |
| 00:47.57 | Jucato | no bot here |
| 00:47.59 | Jucato | :P |
| 00:48.13 | dasKreech | I know |
| 00:48.18 | dasKreech | we could call it Kranky :) |
| 00:48.49 | Jucato | I'd prefer if it were Kuiet :P |
| 00:49.24 | dasKreech | Or Kicki |
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| 00:50.27 | dasKreech | I'm interested in Owncloud but I think it needs to have a little more oomph in explaining it |
| 00:50.41 | dasKreech | Most people have no idea what the cloud is much less owning one |
| 00:51.08 | Jucato | yay add to the already amorphous "cloud" definitions :) |
| 00:52.28 | dasKreech | Well you see the edge of the cloud starts here.... |
| 00:53.49 | dasKreech | I think so far if I could sync akonadi with Owncloud pretty seamlessly I'd be in |
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| 00:58.14 | Jucato | presuming akonadi works *whistles innocently* |
| 00:58.46 | dasKreech | I've had it working since beta 4.4 |
| 00:58.52 | dasKreech | Well for what I wanted it for |
| 00:59.13 | dasKreech | I haven't done.. hmm I should check if I got back my addressbook BRB |
| 00:59.26 | Jucato | I'm still holding off. the only PIM app I'm using so far is Akregator :) |
| 01:00.10 | dasKreech | Wow |
| 01:00.19 | dasKreech | I don't even remember telling it that |
| 01:00.32 | dasKreech | It's pulled all my Google contacts into my addressbook |
| 01:00.43 | dasKreech | Hmmm at least now I can give them proper info |
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| 01:08.05 | dasKreech | might have to go find his addressbook somewhere |
| 01:08.27 | dasKreech | If my .kde dir wasn't Gigs big I'd sync it to a server somewhere |
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| 01:12.53 | Jucato | I'm also interested in the syncing of not only RSS feeds but also status (unread, read, important) ... |
| 01:13.08 | Jucato | I wonder if there's a standard for that ... |
| 01:16.33 | dasKreech | So a cloud enabled akregator? |
| 01:16.47 | Jucato | there goes that word again :) |
| 01:16.55 | Jucato | probably yes :P |
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| 01:17.36 | dasKreech | I know i have an issue with people calling things cloud as well :) |
| 01:18.22 | Jucato | but most *cough* cloud *cough* services for feeds (like Google Reader?) would merely just keep track of the feeds themselves. not the status |
| 01:19.03 | dasKreech | doesn't google reader do status? |
| 01:19.19 | dasKreech | Thought that was one of the perks of it |
| 01:20.07 | Jucato | it's been a long time since I last checked. besides, what I meant is that those would be carried over to any app as well |
| 01:20.16 | Jucato | like Akregator or whatever feed reader is on the N900 |
| 01:20.34 | dasKreech | hmm |
| 01:22.06 | dasKreech | well that's kinda what I want for an akonadi plugin to own cloud. It backs up state to your instance and then you can either have one profile that everyone of your computer reads/writes to or multiple profiles that all your computers can subscribe to so you can do work/reading/updating at multiple places and see them all over |
| 01:23.13 | Jucato | presuming akonadi works :) |
| 01:23.15 | Jucato | deja vu :P |
| 01:23.31 | Jucato | I mean rss-akonadi or whatever it's called :) |
| 01:23.56 | dasKreech | right :) |
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| 01:24.18 | dasKreech | you sound very wait and see for Akonadi and owncloud :) |
| 01:24.29 | Jucato | indeed :P |
| 01:24.37 | dasKreech | How about Telepathy? |
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| 01:26.41 | Jucato | other than IRC, not much into communication :) |
| 01:27.05 | Jucato | the presence part is probably the only one I'm interested with Telepathy |
| 01:27.11 | dasKreech | Yeah I'm into Kopete just cause it's so bad |
| 01:27.17 | Jucato | heh |
| 01:27.23 | dasKreech | I really wanted it to be better |
| 01:27.36 | dasKreech | so I started using it so I could really get pain points |
| 01:27.39 | Jucato | well it's gonna be semi-gone soon :) |
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| 01:27.47 | dasKreech | It will be the new Kpilot |
| 01:28.04 | Jucato | wonders if the new Telepathy-based IM client should be called Klairvoyance :) |
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| 01:29.04 | dasKreech | as I understand it they are trying to avoid naming it |
| 01:29.11 | dasKreech | I'd vote for your name though :) |
| 01:29.48 | dasKreech | A bit interesting to take communicating with someone and making it a Kpart though :) |
| 01:30.00 | Jucato | heh it would go with the scheme. Gnome has Empathy anyway ... |
| 01:30.39 | dasKreech | Gnome has a lot :) There are some advantages to being a loose collection of one off projects with little tiein |
| 01:30.50 | Jucato | indeed |
| 01:31.24 | Jucato | they can claim any Gnome app as part of Gnome :) |
| 01:32.31 | dasKreech | worse |
| 01:32.50 | dasKreech | any gtk app is often claimed as good as a Gnome app |
| 01:34.09 | Jucato | my minimum requirement for a "KDE app" is that it uses KApplication. whether it's part of an SC or not, I leave that to the judges :) |
| 01:35.14 | dasKreech | Well I think that does make it a KDE app just probably not a "supported" app |
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| 01:39.15 | dasKreech | Jucato: I'd imagine owncloud to be kinda like Bittorrent for server :) |
| 01:39.46 | Jucato | heh |
| 01:40.38 | Jucato | I'm probably looking more for an efficient "Git for PIM and files" (plus the easy to use and install for end-user parts) |
| 01:41.11 | dasKreech | hmm Well git is good if you got a group of folks. You want a personal git? |
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| 01:42.38 | Jucato | well, by "Git" I meant more of a decentralized way of syncing/pushing/fetching file |
| 01:42.40 | Jucato | files* |
| 01:43.58 | dasKreech | I think that's what it's aim is to be with at least one central reference point |
| 01:44.35 | Jucato | a.k.a. "centralized" :) |
| 01:44.49 | dasKreech | not really |
| 01:45.09 | dasKreech | Git is decenterlized but Linus is considered a reference point |
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| 01:45.38 | dasKreech | when KDE goes git it will be decenterlized but there might be 2 or three reference points (in one place) |
| 01:45.45 | Jucato | ah I thought you were referring to implementation |
| 01:46.06 | Sho_ | thinks git is actually awesome if you're one and alone, too |
| 01:46.12 | dasKreech | Think of it as a weighted decenterlization ... wait that is centralized |
| 01:46.16 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah |
| 01:46.25 | Jucato | Sho_: but it's perfect for me because I'm one and many :) |
| 01:46.37 | Sho_ | "git init" is a heck of a lot easier than setting up an SVN server for personal use |
| 01:46.38 | dasKreech | We've been Gypped! (or gitted if you wanna call it that) |
| 01:46.47 | Sho_ | and you can use it to version and branch and merge just about anything |
| 01:46.53 | Jucato | dasKreech: are we still talking about ownCloud? O.o |
| 01:46.57 | Sho_ | I even have the install prefix for my dev stuff in a git repo so i can rollback |
| 01:47.03 | dasKreech | Jucato: Yes |
| 01:47.07 | Sho_ | i don't touch config files without doing "git init" first |
| 01:47.11 | Sho_ | etc. |
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| 01:48.55 | Jucato | totally offtopic and probably NSFW thought comes to mind ) |
| 01:48.57 | Jucato | :P |
| 01:48.58 | dasKreech | Sho_: I think that Owncloud is aiming to kinda be that except without thinking about it everytime and without knowing commands |
| 01:49.12 | dasKreech | Jucato: Good thing this is IRC eh? :) |
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| 01:49.29 | Jucato | dasKreech: sure. wouldn't be much of a "cloud" if it weren't shiny and fancy and has pink ponies and rainbows :P |
| 01:49.49 | dasKreech | And Unicorn Sprinkles!! |
| 01:49.57 | Jucato | oh right |
| 01:49.59 | Jucato | how could I forget! |
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| 01:50.32 | Sho_ | Jucato: you mean doing "git init" on reality before so you can roll back to earlier in the evening if it proves to be a big mistake? |
| 01:50.52 | Jucato | Sho_: no |
| 01:51.25 | Jucato | Sho_: daskreech says git is good if you have a lot of folks. you said it's good even if you're just one. I am both :) |
| 01:51.37 | Sho_ | what's NSFW about thaz :( |
| 01:51.37 | Jucato | *cough* schizo *cough* |
| 01:51.41 | Jucato | ah no |
| 01:51.51 | Jucato | not that :) |
| 01:52.10 | mikerose357 | that was really really bad, trying to restart x with radeon driver failed really badly, crashed, and wouldn't start properly on reboot |
| 01:52.40 | dasKreech | mikerose357: Welcome to the suck of X :) |
| 01:52.42 | mikerose357 | had to pop in rescue dvd and edit xorg.conf |
| 01:52.59 | mikerose357 | frglx it is! lol |
| 01:53.31 | mikerose357 | I actually had to choose the simple graphics mode during install so it shouldn't be a suprise |
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| 01:54.15 | dasKreech | imagines Sho_ sitting staring waiting for the NSFW to pop up ::) |
| 01:54.28 | mikerose357 | My configuration might be a bit odd though, my motherboard has an integrated ati gpu, and I have a discrete one under the win driver at least they are able to work |
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| 01:54.37 | mikerose357 | together on a single application |
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| 01:54.43 | Sho_ | dasKreech: already gotten my fill in another tab ;) |
| 01:54.54 | dasKreech | Sho_: :-D |
| 01:55.27 | mikerose357 | so a crossfire setup via whatever wierd method the motherboard maker devised to make this work may make the radeon driver puke |
| 01:56.13 | dasKreech | Sho_: So weigh in on this. If you have a decentral structure but it basically assumes that there is a reference point. How can you think of it as decentralized |
| 01:56.40 | dasKreech | Not sure that radeon was intended to work with crossfire like smooth butter on hot toast yer |
| 01:58.09 | Sho_ | dasKreech: decentralized means that commits don't have to take a straight path from a developer (A) to the canonical repo (B) but can take a detour from developer A to another developer (C) before getting to A, while preserving the commit data and meta data unchanged |
| 01:58.14 | Jucato | dasKreech: it's technically decentralized but arbitrarily centralized by those using it. doesn't change the decentralized nature. |
| 01:58.30 | Sho_ | err ... s/before getting to A/before getting to B/ (i.e. the repo) |
| 01:59.13 | Sho_ | besides, fundamentally speaking a given git repo can interact with any number of other repos bidirectionally, so the "reference point" thing is just a matter of social custom |
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| 02:00.19 | dasKreech | Jucato: yeah that's what I was thinking of. |
| 02:00.43 | dasKreech | Sho_: Yeah and git kinda enforces social customs |
| 02:00.53 | Sho_ | not really |
| 02:01.49 | dasKreech | it has to. It's decentralized. The only way to use it as a community is to socially agree on something |
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| 02:02.35 | Jucato | dasKreech: as much as any SCM also requires people to agree on something :) |
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| 02:03.11 | dasKreech | Not really. when it's centralized then who owns the big repo basically can hand out rules |
| 02:03.30 | Jucato | you still have to agree *who* owns the big repo |
| 02:04.15 | dasKreech | mebbe |
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| 02:07.04 | mikerose357 | The nature of the sch has nothing to do with the hierarchy of the community. A centralized repo can be run by everyone and a decentralized scm can be run by a tyrant |
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| 02:08.15 | lust4life | Hi |
| 02:09.10 | dasKreech | mikerose357: How do you get that? Once one person has pulled from the tyrant he's lost |
| 02:10.02 | mikerose357 | influence doesn't have to come from admin rights on a central server |
| 02:11.22 | mikerose357 | first off who owns the copyright to the code? |
| 02:11.27 | dasKreech | yeah but the social interactions will decide how the code is used and accessed if it's decentral |
| 02:12.24 | dasKreech | ha ha ok given the caveat that we are dealing with an open license |
| 02:13.15 | mikerose357 | I think the people will decide how its used regardless of whether its central or not |
| 02:13.47 | mikerose357 | if its open you could just download the code and put it on any scm you want couldn't you? |
| 02:13.56 | mikerose357 | regardless of what the original scm is |
| 02:15.32 | dasKreech | Yes but if there is a neat project that you are not really sure of where it started or who the maintainer is you can probably pull the git from a friend who has it |
| 02:16.21 | mikerose357 | or zip the archive and attach it to an email |
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| 02:16.32 | dasKreech | trying to organize with no center makes it a social endeavour |
| 02:16.46 | dasKreech | who do you trust to give back your code to? |
| 02:17.56 | dasKreech | anyway back to our inital postulating about if akonadi works how Owncloud would be useful :) |
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| 02:26.09 | dasKreech | Jucato: as long as I can link up a set of Owncloud installs I'll be happy to call it a cloud |
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| 02:28.40 | mikerose357 | watching video on oncloud |
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| 02:29.12 | dasKreech | mikerose357: Hmm? |
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| 02:29.33 | mikerose357 | http://home.kde.org/~akademy10/videos/Unclouding_ownCloud-Frank_Karlitschek.ogv |
| 02:29.52 | Jucato | lol |
| 02:29.56 | Jucato | I thought you were asking for a feature :) |
| 02:30.09 | Jucato | that would be possible though ... media streaming I guess |
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| 02:36.12 | Jucato | dasKreech: as long as I am not forced to use web apps :) |
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| 02:43.19 | mikerose357 | interesting however webapps still suck compared to desktop apps |
| 02:43.36 | mikerose357 | and bandwidth for mobile uses often sucks |
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| 03:00.15 | spawn57 | hello |
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| 03:18.22 | evaryont | Hi. I'm just trying to learn about KDE & it's processes... what is klauncher for? Why do other apps need it? |
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| 03:23.42 | Jucato | evaryont: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_desktop_guides/kde_desktop_user_guide/background-processes.html |
| 03:24.08 | Jucato | that was, at least for KDE 3. maybe same in KDE 4 but replace DCOP with D-Bus |
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| 03:27.24 | evaryont | Jucato: has no one remade the book, for KDE4? Lots and lots changed... |
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| 03:28.49 | Jucato | the book? no not that I know of. but the (end user) knowledge base is being pooled into http://userbase.kde.org now (which is a wiki). feel free to contribute :) |
| 03:29.19 | Sho_ | actually that kind of info is also / probably more so on http://techbase.kde.org/ in the System Administrators section |
| 03:29.21 | dasKreech | hi spawn57 |
| 03:29.39 | Sho_ | evaryont: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Startup#klauncher:_Service_Activation |
| 03:30.16 | Jucato | ah was looking at the wrong base :) |
| 03:30.17 | evaryont | Sho_: thanks! |
| 03:30.36 | dasKreech | Jucato: Yeah I don't mind having a webapp. It's nice If I happen to be drifting around Thailand or the Fillipinos but everytime I pull the data to a local app I'm just so grateful for the usabilty and ways of manipulation |
| 03:31.22 | Jucato | dasKreech: don't worry about web apps when drifting here. you won't have good Internet connection most of the time anyway ;) |
| 03:31.25 | dasKreech | Not sure that most users would care about klaucher |
| 03:31.39 | dasKreech | lol :) there goes that |
| 03:31.53 | dasKreech | we have about 8-10 MB/s Over the air here |
| 03:31.54 | Jucato | yeah I was thinking abut system admins/advanced users, but forgot that sysadmins go to techbase |
| 03:32.02 | dasKreech | maybe 25 MB/s wired ? |
| 03:33.24 | Jucato | well unless you're going to stay at a hotel 24/7. not much good free wifi hotspots around the city |
| 03:33.59 | dasKreech | we are slowly getting places used to giving away wifi for free |
| 03:34.34 | dasKreech | we throw parties (yay $DISTRO release) at them and let them know we are there because of the wifi |
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| 03:35.40 | Jucato | some malls are starting to have free wifi all over, but they're not that fast. also I feel that some people are using it to download loads of stuff while taking a bite or sipping coffee :) |
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| 03:37.51 | leo_rockway | and be careful with what you do on free public wifi... |
| 03:37.58 | leo_rockway | particularly if you don't tend to use https |
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| 04:32.23 | ichbinder | qal: are you still there? |
| 04:33.10 | ichbinder | qal: I now had a look on the application launcher icon. It is actually not a Desktop Theme but an icon theme... |
| 04:34.44 | ichbinder | so where will I find the icons used for a specific icon theme? I have the standard KDE Oxygen icon theme and installed the archlinux-themes-kde package. Now, I really like the archlinux icon for the application launcher so I want to use the oxygen theme and for the application launcher the archlinux icon. But I can't find the location where those icons are stored...? |
| 04:34.48 | ichbinder | anybody? :) |
| 04:35.17 | ichbinder | (you can select the icon theme under "System Settings -> Application Settings -> Icons" |
| 04:35.19 | Sho_ | ichbinder: right-click the application launcher |
| 04:35.30 | Sho_ | settings -> general |
| 04:35.34 | Sho_ | you can pick an icon there |
| 04:35.45 | Sho_ | (you could also do it via manipulating the theme, true, but this is much easier) |
| 04:35.51 | ichbinder | Sho_: no, I know HOW to change it |
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| 04:36.07 | qal | ichbinder: /usr/share/icons or ~/.kde4/share/icons (iirc) |
| 04:36.13 | ichbinder | the question is: where do I find the files used for a theme. |
| 04:36.44 | ichbinder | because the icon i'm looking for is not in the selection from which I can choose if I simple click on the icon in General |
| 04:36.51 | ichbinder | qal: ok, I look there |
| 04:37.37 | ichbinder | qal: yeeeha, it's there! Nice :D |
| 04:37.44 | ichbinder | also thanks to Sho_! |
| 04:38.08 | Sho_ | it's a bit more complex than qal's answer |
| 04:38.55 | ichbinder | Sho_: how do you mean? |
| 04:39.14 | ichbinder | qal: it's in the first location btw. Couldn't find it in the second one |
| 04:39.32 | Sho_ | icon themes can be in the icons/ subfolder of any path in XDG_DATA_DIRS and in the share/icons/ subfolder of any path in KDEDIRS and KDEDIR and KDEHOME, and compliant implementations must also check in ~/.icons and /usr/share/pixmaps, an /usr is in XDG_DATA_DIRS and KDEDIRS by default if unset (possibly depending on the KDE build options) |
| 04:39.46 | qal | ichbinder: Sho_ has the right idea if you just watch to use a different icon for the application launcher. |
| 04:39.49 | Sho_ | see http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html#directory_layout and http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html#icon_lookup |
| 04:40.02 | Sho_ | and http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/KDE_Filesystem_Hierarchy |
| 04:40.19 | Sho_ | and http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/XDG_Filesystem_Hierarchy |
| 04:40.19 | Sho_ | and http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables |
| 04:40.30 | Sho_ | if you read all of those, then you have a fairly complete answer to the question |
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| 04:41.58 | qal | argh, s/watch/want/ above. |
| 04:42.39 | ichbinder | ah... Sho_?! :D |
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| 04:43.32 | ichbinder | well, so you gave me the answer why I do not find the icon the i am looking for in the menu when rick-clicking on the application launcher -> Settings -> General ? |
| 04:43.41 | Sho_ | possibly |
| 04:43.43 | ichbinder | am I correct? |
| 04:43.47 | ichbinder | ok... |
| 04:44.02 | ichbinder | hm, I will bookmark those and read them if I can. :) |
| 04:44.03 | Sho_ | to understand "where are icon themes stored", you have to understand how icon lookup is done, which my short overview and the links try to provide |
| 04:44.13 | ichbinder | it's nice learning. |
| 04:44.25 | Sho_ | because a single icon theme could actually be stored in ten different folders and what you see in the dialog could be the merged representation of all of those ten folders |
| 04:44.26 | ichbinder | Sho_: ok, thanks a lot! |
| 04:44.36 | ichbinder | ah, I see... |
| 04:44.50 | Sho_ | the order of precedence, the locations taken into account, and the environment variables that affect this, are together pretty complex |
| 04:44.53 | ichbinder | so just answering: where does the icon theme lie is a bit ambiguous... |
| 04:45.07 | ichbinder | Sho_: ok, I see... but WHY? :D |
| 04:45.30 | ichbinder | can't it be just as simple as: icons? Go to /usr/share/icons or ~/.icons |
| 04:45.48 | ichbinder | or if you want to also ~/.kde/... |
| 04:46.52 | Sho_ | well |
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| 04:46.57 | Sho_ | there are two reasons |
| 04:47.05 | Sho_ | one is: legacy baggage / compatibility |
| 04:47.20 | Sho_ | ~/.icons and /usr/share/pixmaps are purely there for legacy baggage |
| 04:47.20 | apt | Sho_: okay |
| 04:47.32 | ichbinder | legacy baggage? |
| 04:47.44 | ichbinder | ah |
| 04:47.55 | ichbinder | for "shared" with other desktop managers and stuff? |
| 04:48.27 | caotic_ | So is there any way to make krunner show more than one task when tring to run a command ? |
| 04:48.29 | Sho_ | another thing that multiple folders (and the ability to set environment variables to affect which folders those are) get you is the ability for a user to override an icon from a system-installed theme by placing files in the right places in his home dir, or anywhere else where he has write access (but doesn't have write access to the system) |
| 04:48.50 | caotic_ | IDK why it has been changed that way, but in my opinion is very annoying |
| 04:49.25 | Sho_ | caotic_: did you try pulling on the edge to make it larger? |
| 04:50.14 | caotic_ | Sho_: I think I tried that the very first time ... since it didnt work then, I didnt suppose it would work now :$ |
| 04:50.30 | Sho_ | ichbinder: the modern icon theme specification and lookup algorithm is actually shared between KDE and Gnome (and others), but yeah, the user /usr/share/pixmaps legacy compat thing is e.g. actually because old GTK+ versions used it iirc |
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| 04:51.40 | ichbinder | Sho_: ah, thank you for explaining that |
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| 04:53.36 | Sho_ | ichbinder: For example, KDE's default icon theme is called Oxygen, and my distro installs it into /usr/share/icons/oxygen, so there is e.g. an icon /usr/share/icons/16x16/actions/dialog-ok.png |
| 04:54.20 | Sho_ | ichbinder: If I were to place a different file at ~/.kde/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/dialog-ok.png, KDE would use that instead |
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| 04:55.31 | Sho_ | (the 16x16 is one of the sizes the oxygen theme covers; there are others as well; when doing lookup KDE will try to get the available size closest to the desired size and then apply extra scaling if necessary - how that is supposed to be done exactly is also standardized in http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html#icon_lookup) |
| 04:56.18 | ichbinder | Sho_: crazy, crazy |
| 04:57.24 | ichbinder | Sho_: well, since I only wanted to change one icon i just needed the place of this icon... and /usr/share/icons/archlinux-kde/scalable/places/start-here-kde.svgz was the correct answer :) |
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| 05:00.21 | ichbinder | Sho_: but yeah, thanks for these answers! another thing I learned... :) |
| 05:00.27 | ichbinder | and also thanks to qal |
| 05:00.31 | ichbinder | good night! |
| 05:01.52 | Sho_ | bye ichbinder |
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| 08:01.47 | lindsaymobil22 | Hey |
| 08:02.26 | lindsaymobil22 | Im running KDE 4.5.1 on Ubuntu 10.10, i have compiz running, when i try to set the KDE window borders back it crashes, so i can only use the GTK ones, any help on that? |
| 08:02.34 | lindsaymobil22 | i have installed compiz-kde |
| 08:03.16 | helmut | hi. does someone know how to use an external addressbook with twinkle? it seems there are basically two options: 1) convince it to use some kde addressbook (I failed this) 2) generate .twinkle/twinkle.ab from the external ab (how to notify twinkle about those changes then?) |
| 08:04.30 | lindsaymobil22 | helmut, no sorry |
| 08:04.37 | lindsaymobil22 | i dont know |
| 08:05.10 | helmut | lindsaymobil22: precisely what crashes? |
| 08:05.41 | lindsaymobil22 | helmut, the KDE4 Window Decorator when i set that to default |
| 08:05.51 | lindsaymobil22 | I can only use the GTK window borders |
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| 08:06.43 | helmut | lindsaymobil22: so your window borders are gone, but you can use kde? |
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| 08:07.44 | rd | I have in KDE 4.4.5 a hanging K menue from time to time. Also panel is then unusable. Sometimes after a while things continue magically. |
| 08:07.57 | lindsaymobil22 | helmut, No, I have window borders, but they are not the KDE4 ones, they are the GTK ones in KDE, i have installed compiz-kde to try and correct it (i am using compiz) but not change |
| 08:08.00 | rd | Is there a way to find out what the Kmenu/panel is waiting for? |
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| 08:08.45 | helmut | lindsaymobil22: uhh. no clue. actually I don't use the wm provided with kde. %-) |
| 08:09.29 | Jucato | KDE 4 Window Decorator is (despite the name) not part of KDE. it's part of Compiz. |
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| 08:10.38 | JackWinter | thought i'd ask again. maybe a distro issue, mybe my kde prefix, maybe Qt, maybe etc..:) since upgrading to 4.5.2, from 4.4.6 i seem to have an issue that makes X race on one of my cores. archlinux and nvidia blob. seems to be cured by switching to another virtual teminal and back again. Think it's related to gnome apps. |
| 08:10.56 | Exilant | If I click on a file on a samba share(in konqueror), say open with "mplayer %u", shouldn't that tell kde not to copy the file, but to simply pass the url? |
| 08:10.56 | helmut | is there a separate channel for twinkle? |
| 08:12.20 | lindsaymobil22 | JackWinter, ask again in here? |
| 08:12.40 | JackWinter | no advanced desktop fx, but oxygen theme with animations. though i tried other themes and disabling animations, it didn't really cure the problem. and since the switching vterms trick works failry well i can live with it. just annoying right now :) |
| 08:13.19 | Jucato | helmut: twinkle isn't even a KDE app afaik. so yeah, probably asking in twinkle's channel might be better |
| 08:13.28 | lindsaymobil22 | Also why is it KDE is really slow for me? Is it a ubuntu specific thing? |
| 08:13.28 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: i've asked a few times in the past. don't wanna bother anyone, but hoping that maybe someone else has the same issue or knows a cure |
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| 08:14.23 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: nvidia+advanced desktop fx? |
| 08:14.26 | lindsaymobil22 | Im running KDE 4.5.1 on Ubuntu 10.10, i have compiz running, when i try to set the KDE window borders back it crashes, so i can only use the GTK ones, I tried fixing it by installing compiz-kde, no help, any help on that? |
| 08:14.35 | lindsaymobil22 | JackWinter, no |
| 08:14.46 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: sorry no idea then |
| 08:15.00 | Jucato | JackWinter: I can only think of X as the possible culprit. if it were KDE, I'm thinking it would persist even between VT switches |
| 08:15.37 | helmut | Jucato: well my question was about integrating the kde addressbook in twinkle |
| 08:15.39 | JackWinter | Jucato: yes, or Qt asking X to do something the nvidia blob doesn't really do well |
| 08:15.45 | helmut | Jucato: and #twinkle is empty |
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| 08:17.17 | JackWinter | think i tried downgrading X too, and have since upgraded to 1.9.0 |
| 08:18.00 | rd | lindsaymobil22: what graphic card do you have? nvidia? |
| 08:18.06 | JackWinter | nothing seems to help. considering learning how to install kde from source and downgrade to 4.4.6 in the hope that it will work better :) |
| 08:18.14 | lindsaymobil22 | rd, no, an intel GMA4500M, it works fine in KDE |
| 08:18.18 | lindsaymobil22 | with compiz |
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| 08:18.33 | mikerose357 | hey anyone know if you can make firefox use a file picker that is more integrated with kde? |
| 08:18.41 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: what's wrong with kwin? |
| 08:18.51 | lindsaymobil22 | JackWinter, faaaar too slow |
| 08:19.00 | lindsaymobil22 | causes freezing and jumps all over the place |
| 08:19.08 | rd | ok then I can't help. I have seen slow KDE with oxygen on nvidia cards. Solution there was to switch the theme. |
| 08:19.09 | JackWinter | that sounds odd |
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| 08:19.47 | lindsaymobil22 | Right i tried enabling KDE support in CCSM, no change again, KDE4 Window Decorator crashed |
| 08:19.59 | alin | rd: JackWinter depending on the nvidia card there is some issue with some memory pixmaps |
| 08:20.02 | JackWinter | i run kwin with compositing on an agin intel 910/915 chipset and can't find a fault with it :) |
| 08:20.13 | Jucato | helmut: yeah but it's still a 3rd party app. unfortunately can't find a support forum or channel for it |
| 08:21.02 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, rd left |
| 08:21.03 | mikerose357 | lindsaymobil22: how do you set the window decorator? |
| 08:21.15 | lindsaymobil22 | mikerose357, i have fusion-icon installed |
| 08:21.26 | mikerose357 | have you tried emerald? |
| 08:21.39 | lindsaymobil22 | mikerose357, i would rather not use emerald |
| 08:21.52 | alin | lindsaymobil22: poor soul... I had the soltution in my sleeve http://paste.opensuse.org/16470115 |
| 08:21.56 | Jucato | lindsaymobil22: best to ask in a compiz channel |
| 08:22.09 | helmut | Jucato: well it was not twinkle that broke addressbook integration, it was a kde upgrade that broke it |
| 08:22.10 | lindsaymobil22 | Jucato, no-one ever replys there |
| 08:22.38 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, im on intel gma not nvidia |
| 08:22.57 | helmut | Jucato: and as always with integration problems noone feels responsible. |
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| 08:23.15 | mikerose357 | helmut: stupid question here but is there a more recent version of twinkle that restores this functionality? |
| 08:23.23 | lindsaymobil22 | All i want is the oxygen borders back, not stupid gtk ones that look ugly in KDE |
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| 08:23.54 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: so find out why kwin isn't working well :) |
| 08:23.55 | helmut | mikerose357: not that I am aware of |
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| 08:24.12 | helmut | mikerose357: if that was the case I would not have asked |
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| 08:24.21 | lindsaymobil22 | JackWinter, i would rather not use KWin |
| 08:24.41 | alin | lindsaymobil22: what do you mean by borders? |
| 08:24.41 | lindsaymobil22 | No matter what its still slow and not as featurefilled as compiz yet |
| 08:24.50 | Jucato | helmut: unfortunately yeah. maintainers of kaddressbook will not necessarily be able to keep up with every app that uses it. specially since it seems that the last twinkle release was in 2009. a lot has happened to KDE PIM since then, |
| 08:24.55 | mikerose357 | she wants to use compiz as a wm and with kwin window decorator |
| 08:25.11 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, the window borders, the window decorators, the area with the window title and close minimize and maximize buttons |
| 08:25.27 | Jucato | helmut: but it's not KDE only mind you. even in other platforms it's up to the 3rd party apps to keep updated |
| 08:25.28 | mikerose357 | this is perfectly functional for me |
| 08:25.45 | alin | lindsaymobil22: in kde? |
| 08:25.51 | Jucato | lindsaymobil22: if you'd rather not use kwin, this isn't exactly the place to ask for help for compiz issues |
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| 08:25.57 | alin | lindsaymobil22: seems to me like kwin crashed |
| 08:26.35 | Jucato | mikerose357: it's not "kwin window decorator". it has nothing to do with kwin at all. even "kde window decorator" is a misnomer, or at most confusing |
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| 08:26.51 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, im not using KWin, im using compiz! I am forced to use the GTK window borders because the KDE4 window decorator keeps crashing |
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| 08:27.25 | helmut | Jucato: sorry, I still fail to see the improvements made in kde pim. the biggest user visible change imho is that it now uses 300M to store my addressbook while previously 300k were enough. |
| 08:27.32 | Jucato | which again, is not, in any way, part of KDE. the best people to know about issues regarding that would be the compiz people |
| 08:27.49 | mikerose357 | well jucato then that misperception is clearly spread by the fact that fusion-icon presents an option called select window decorator |
| 08:27.50 | alin | lindsaymobil22: why do you use compiz? |
| 08:28.01 | mikerose357 | and lists kde4 decorator |
| 08:28.03 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, few reasons |
| 08:28.05 | mikerose357 | as an option |
| 08:28.16 | Jucato | mikerose357: they (compiz people) are the ones that decided to call it 'kde window decorator" |
| 08:28.30 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, better performance, more customization, etc |
| 08:28.36 | mikerose357 | so the proper terminology would be? |
| 08:28.47 | Jucato | (try losing hardware acceleration and let's see about "performance" :) |
| 08:29.04 | alin | lindsaymobil22: better performance than what? do you have numbers or just a perception... |
| 08:29.08 | Jucato | mikerose357: compiz kde decorator :) |
| 08:29.22 | mikerose357 | ok then |
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| 08:29.43 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, better performance than KWin |
| 08:29.46 | lindsaymobil22 | Waaaaay |
| 08:29.53 | Jucato | helmut: user visible changes? not so much. it's the core that's changing. user visible changes isn't related anyway to you're issue |
| 08:30.01 | lindsaymobil22 | I dont get any lag with compiz but i do with kwin |
| 08:30.21 | Jucato | you can't use compiz on setups without 3d hardware acceleratioin :) |
| 08:30.27 | helmut | Jucato: the core changes are responsible for the user visible breakage |
| 08:30.28 | alin | lindsaymobil22: if you are in intel... have you tried to blacklist blur? there is a well known bug |
| 08:30.29 | Jucato | that, to me, isn't "performance" :) |
| 08:30.45 | mikerose357 | it is if you have a decent gpu |
| 08:30.47 | Jucato | helmut: not necessarily. it may. but not always |
| 08:30.55 | lindsaymobil22 | alin, i would rather not try kwin |
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| 08:31.00 | alin | lindsaymobil22: not in kwin per se |
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| 08:31.10 | lindsaymobil22 | i just would like the kde window borders back |
| 08:31.27 | mikerose357 | when someone says I would like to get x y and z to work the most useless reply is always "y sucks you should use z" |
| 08:31.36 | Jucato | ok ok lindsaymobil22 doesn't want to use kwin. that is obvious and non-negotiable. let him/her use what he/she wants, but please ask in the correct place :) |
| 08:31.41 | helmut | Jucato: in this case |
| 08:31.50 | lindsaymobil22 | Jucato, him ;) |
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| 08:32.01 | alin | lindsaymobil22: I am afraid I cannot help... I have no idea about compiz... gave up on it maybe 3 years ago |
| 08:32.23 | Jucato | helmut: not sure either. is Twinkle's integration completely dependent on how the kaddressbook UI looks? |
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| 08:32.56 | Jucato | also, like I said, twinkle hasn't been updated since 2009. would it be fair to expect KDE PIM to hold back and wait for it to become active again? |
| 08:33.23 | Jucato | lindsaymobil22: ok, "him". now sir please ask in a compiz support channel/forum :) |
| 08:33.49 | lindsaymobil22 | Jucato, i never get answers there |
| 08:33.58 | helmut | Jucato: maybe. also #twinkle is empty. :-( |
| 08:34.02 | Jucato | asking in the wrong place won't get you the right answers either :) |
| 08:34.17 | Jucato | helmut: yeah I google'd a bit, sounds like a dormant project |
| 08:35.02 | Jucato | helmut: but since it's a SIP app, I'm actually thinking Telepathy is going to be the part that will be handling integration. maybe Telepathy + Akonadi. dunno yet. not a big PIM guy yet |
| 08:35.16 | Jucato | <Jucato> asking in the wrong place won't get you the right answers either :) <--- that was for lindsaymobil22 :P |
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| 08:35.32 | helmut | Jucato: do you know whether telepathy supports zrtp? |
| 08:36.07 | Jucato | lindsaymobil22: it's like going to a Windows channel asking about KDE apps (because KDE apps run on Windows nowadays as well) :D |
| 08:36.20 | Jucato | helmut: sorry no idea |
| 08:37.19 | helmut | do you know what applications use telepathy (backends)? |
| 08:38.01 | JackWinter | alin: do you please have a link to the bitmaps issue? |
| 08:38.40 | alin | JackWinter: the nvidia? |
| 08:40.31 | helmut | answers: no, telepathy does not support zrtp. a way to use telepathy is the empathy client (gnome). |
| 08:40.31 | JackWinter | alin: yes |
| 08:41.01 | alin | JackWinter: http://paste.opensuse.org/16470115 |
| 08:41.34 | alin | JackWinter: practically in your xorg.conf you have to add the two options in the driver section |
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| 08:43.50 | JackWinter | alin: thanks, i can do that :) |
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| 08:44.21 | alin | JackWinter: cool hope it helps |
| 08:44.37 | alin | JackWinter: the issue I have seen only on certain nvidia models... |
| 08:45.40 | JackWinter | this is a 8600gts w 512mb |
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| 08:47.59 | lindsaymobil22 | also where is the shutdown button in the KMenu? |
| 08:48.15 | lindsaymobil22 | its not there anymore |
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| 08:50.13 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: it's normally there if kde was started by kdm. if you start it with startx or so, then it won't be there |
| 08:50.53 | lindsaymobil22 | JackWinter, i have used kde for a while and even when its launched from the GDM, the shutdown button is there, its not anymore |
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| 08:51.21 | JackWinter | i said kdm, don't know about gdm :) |
| 08:51.32 | lindsaymobil22 | JackWinter, i know you said kdm |
| 08:52.01 | JackWinter | lindsaymobil22: ah, i see. sorry didn't read what you wrote :) |
| 08:53.06 | lindsaymobil22 | any i gotta go, thanks guys for the help :) |
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| 09:48.37 | AndrzejL | Zaister: rename the Foo.pdf o Foo 1.pdf - it should sort it for You |
| 09:48.46 | AndrzejL | ;) |
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| 09:49.05 | AndrzejL | I know its only a workaroud ;) but its working ;) |
| 09:49.31 | Zaister | thnak but that's not really the one I want :) |
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| 09:49.54 | AndrzejL | ok ;) sorry ;) |
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| 09:50.18 | Zaister | no roblem |
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| 09:57.46 | Zaister | Hm, Dolphin has a "Natural Sorting of Items" option, that really should take care of that :) |
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| 10:01.19 | sresu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145 |
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| 10:04.22 | JackWinter | alin: seems that the xorg.conf options you pointed me to, have if not cured my problem, at least had some beneficial impact. or maybe i've been suffering from multiple issues :) thanks, will let it run like this for a while and see what pops up |
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| 10:12.50 | ghytas | is any body can helpme? |
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| 10:46.35 | moldy | hi |
| 10:47.01 | moldy | is it possible to assign a hotkey to focus a certain plasma widget? |
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| 11:00.44 | Kame2 | moldy: in the configuration dialog of the plasmoid, yes |
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| 11:26.33 | moldy | Kame2: so the plasmoid has to support it explicitly? i don't see such an option in the configuration dialog of plasmacon |
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| 11:53.31 | moldy | Kame2: another question: even when having the focus, plasmacon is not in the foreground. can i change that? |
| 11:54.00 | Kame2 | what is plasmacon? |
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| 11:54.27 | moldy | Kame2: a plasmoid that shows a konsole session on your desktop |
| 11:54.37 | Kame2 | ok |
| 11:54.48 | Kame2 | so you have the plasmoid on the desktop!? |
| 11:54.52 | moldy | Kame2: yes |
| 11:55.01 | Kame2 | and the desktop per definition is in the background |
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| 11:55.16 | Kame2 | so the plasmoid is too |
| 11:55.21 | moldy | ok |
| 11:55.28 | Kame2 | you could use the dashboard |
| 11:55.48 | moldy | [plasmacon: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Plasmacon?content=108120] |
| 11:57.11 | Kame2 | or you can start it in plasma-windowed so the plasmoid is a window and not part of the desktop |
| 11:57.30 | moldy | Kame2: thanks for the hint about the dashboard, i wasn't aware of that yet |
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| 11:57.40 | moldy | Kame2: how would i do this? |
| 11:57.56 | Kame2 | plasma-windowed <plasmoidname> |
| 11:58.30 | Kame2 | and if you don't want window borders, there is the option --noborder |
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| 11:59.13 | moldy | zsh: command not found: plasma-windowed |
| 11:59.17 | moldy | hm |
| 11:59.20 | azm | hi, how do I make icon in desktop. drag and drop does not seem work |
| 12:00.06 | Kame2 | moldy: maybe this is only possible since 4.5 |
| 12:00.14 | moldy | Kame2: ah ok. i will just wait then. thanks. |
| 12:00.24 | Kame2 | np |
| 12:00.48 | Kame2 | azm: unlock plasma first |
| 12:02.49 | azm | Kame2: how please, this kde env is so different from gnome.. |
| 12:02.51 | azm | ? |
| 12:04.03 | moldy | azm: right mouse button, unlock widgets |
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| 12:04.23 | Kame2 | azm: or you click in the top right corner, where the icon is |
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| 12:05.48 | azm | Kame2: thanks |
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| 12:37.23 | teho | Hi, is it possible to change the distance between icons in plasma systray? |
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| 12:41.33 | Kame2 | teho: no |
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| 12:52.17 | pedro3005 | uhm |
| 12:52.37 | pedro3005 | I accidentally removed the thing from my panel that shows minimized windows |
| 12:52.46 | pedro3005 | how do I add it back? |
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| 12:53.37 | cb400f | right click desktop -> add widgets -> find 'taskbar' -> drag it to the panel |
| 12:54.43 | pedro3005 | thank you |
| 12:55.16 | pedro3005 | but I can't position it properly now |
| 12:55.45 | cb400f | click on the cashew in the right end of the panel.. when the panel configuration is open you can move the widgets around |
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| 12:57.19 | pedro3005 | ah, thank you again |
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| 13:06.35 | azm | how do I make all icons in dolphin smaller so I dont have to do it alsways again? |
| 13:06.40 | azm | on all subfolders |
| 13:07.47 | cb400f | azm: settings -> configure dolphy -> general -> use common view settings for all folders |
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| 13:09.27 | cb400f | or settings -> configure -> view modes -> icons... might do the trick too |
| 13:10.07 | azm | cb400f: thanks |
| 13:11.21 | dasKreech | are there touchpad settings in System Settings? |
| 13:11.40 | dasKreech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:13.47 | cb400f | dasKreech: if you have synaptiks installed, yes |
| 13:14.12 | dasKreech | cb400f: Ah thanks |
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| 13:23.32 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 13:23.39 | dasKreech | morning |
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| 13:23.57 | AlexC_ | I have an issue with KDE and I'm wanting to report a bug, though I am not sure where. The dialog that is popping up is titled 'KIOExec' |
| 13:24.58 | buntfalke | Ahm, guys? How to scan an Image? Which tool to use? |
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| 13:25.58 | dasKreech | buntfalke: skanlite |
| 13:26.03 | dasKreech | AlexC_: bugs.kde.org |
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| 13:27.25 | AlexC_ | dasKreech: :P I mean the project |
| 13:27.26 | dasKreech | AlexC_: http://userbase.kde.org/Asking_Questions#Reporting_KDE_Bugs |
| 13:27.38 | dasKreech | Ah :) |
| 13:27.38 | dasKreech | ok |
| 13:27.42 | dasKreech | KIO Then? |
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| 13:28.49 | AlexC_ | dasKreech: thenkas |
| 13:29.16 | AlexC_ | or thanks |
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| 13:36.37 | dasKreech | AlexC_: Sure |
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| 13:36.57 | quesada | newer kde (4.5.2) forgets shortcuts I set up in konsole. Is this a known bug? |
| 13:37.54 | dasKreech | quesada: when does it forget them? |
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| 13:40.36 | quesada | dasKreech: when rebooting |
| 13:41.19 | dasKreech | quesada: I assume you mean after you have rebooted and not starting to reboot canceling it and finding they have all gone |
| 13:41.37 | dasKreech | quesada: So if you close konsole and reopen it all the shortcuts are remembered ? |
| 13:41.39 | quesada | I also found that the mousepad on two lappies doesn't take a single press on the surface as a left click (sorry, not related, but also important) |
| 13:41.54 | quesada | I rarely close console :) |
| 13:42.22 | quesada | I'm using weechat right now, so I would not be able to try without closing the chat :) |
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| 13:44.17 | dasKreech | quesada: We can wait :) |
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| 13:44.56 | quesada | ok brb |
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| 13:45.11 | eldar | hi! How can I configure pulseaudio in KDE? |
| 13:45.36 | eldar | I need to specify a correct input device for skype |
| 13:45.46 | eldar | which only works with pulseaudio, not phonon |
| 13:46.25 | eldar | and I can't find any means to do that in KDE settings |
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| 13:51.50 | quesada | dasKreech: confirmed, closing and opening konsole makes for defaulting to def. shortcuts |
| 13:52.05 | quesada | new since 4.5.2 I think |
| 13:52.17 | quesada | maybe 4.5.1 |
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| 13:53.18 | Oleg_ | what's the name of the kde irc client nowadays? I can't find konversation. |
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| 13:57.15 | Oleg_ | hello? |
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| 13:57.26 | dasKreech | quesada: which distro? |
| 13:57.34 | dasKreech | Oleg_: Konversation normally |
| 13:58.05 | evot | Oleg_: Usually Konversation or Quassel |
| 13:58.10 | dasKreech | though Quassel has KDE bindings as an option and has the neat irssi +screen trick |
| 13:58.12 | Oleg_ | so, it was again removed from the official kde distribution? |
| 13:58.21 | dasKreech | It never was in there |
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| 14:01.58 | quesada | dasKreech: sabayon |
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| 14:02.21 | quesada | dasKreech: it's gentoo but with binary packages |
| 14:02.22 | dasKreech | may be a packaging bug |
| 14:02.27 | Oleg_ | are they as good as xchat or xchat is still the king of all irc clients? |
| 14:02.28 | dasKreech | works here on F13 |
| 14:02.51 | quesada | dasKreech: ok thanks |
| 14:02.55 | dasKreech | Oleg_: Why do you like xchat? |
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| 14:03.55 | Oleg_ | well, its graphical interface is really good |
| 14:04.05 | Oleg_ | I mean, it's comfortable |
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| 14:10.21 | dasKreech | Oleg_: Ah Konversation should be fine then :) |
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| 14:16.49 | gunsofbrixton | hi, can kdesvn show me if to which files I have made local changes? |
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| 14:17.34 | gunsofbrixton | I seem to recall that there were different icons (like tortoisesvn) for modified files, that doesn't seem to work anymore... |
| 14:17.54 | gunsofbrixton | or maybe I just dreamed of these icons? |
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| 14:28.53 | Oleg_ | why does konversation display this old stuff from 2008? |
| 14:32.00 | dasKreech | Oleg_: Krazy Kache ? |
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| 14:34.01 | Oleg_ | so, I guess these channels remember specific stuff that was shown to people in the past |
| 14:37.22 | leahcim | good news: KDE4 can save and restore all my konqueror windows |
| 14:37.52 | leahcim | bad news: every restored window is associated with a single process |
| 14:38.51 | leo_rockway | Oleg_: it displays X amount of lines from your logs. |
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| 14:39.57 | Oleg_ | well, those logs were not saved on my computer. so I guess, they were saved either in the channel or on the irc server |
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| 14:42.19 | Oleg_ | and they somehow interact specifically with the konversation irc client |
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| 14:52.29 | leo_rockway | Oleg_: they are saved on your computer. |
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| 14:54.54 | Oleg_ | hmm... so, there is some stuff that I didn't erase since 2008... |
| 14:54.54 | gunsofbrixton | by the way, why doesn't dolphin restore windows? (tabs?) is this planned? |
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| 15:05.27 | Oleg_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL5DWXoKDuk |
| 15:05.40 | Oleg_ | it looks like there is a bug in kde I am not aware of |
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| 15:15.45 | Kalidarn | hmm, im not sure if this is a bug but it seems my control key, alt key, and caps key have stopped working |
| 15:15.50 | Kalidarn | also my tab key |
| 15:16.05 | sresu | If I shutdown my desktop system with Konquerer and Okular(say) open, I used to get those restored on my next start of system. Nowadays, I don't find it getting restored.. How can I fix it? |
| 15:16.09 | Kalidarn | is this some kind of accessability function i disabled them |
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| 15:16.42 | Kalidarn | it'd say it's a kde issue because if i switch to my vm |
| 15:16.44 | Kalidarn | it works again |
| 15:16.57 | sresu | Kubuntu Lucid Lynx. KDE Platform version 4.5.1 |
| 15:17.19 | Kalidarn | and i'm also using kubuntu maverick meerkat |
| 15:17.50 | Kalidarn | the modifier keys are disabled. |
| 15:18.59 | leo_rockway | sresu: systemsettings look for Session Management |
| 15:19.13 | Kalidarn | mm i saw this in /var/log/kdm.log |
| 15:19.15 | Kalidarn | Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all)" |
| 15:19.18 | sresu | leo_rockway: Yes. Found it. Thanks :) |
| 15:19.23 | leo_rockway | np |
| 15:20.06 | Kalidarn | The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: |
| 15:20.08 | Kalidarn | > Warning: Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOf(all)" |
| 15:20.10 | Kalidarn | > Using last definition for duplicate fields |
| 15:20.14 | Kalidarn | i wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| 15:20.34 | Kalidarn | i really am hoping i don't have to log out of my session to fix this |
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| 15:21.04 | Oleg_ | sresu: it's possible to upgrade to kde 4.5.2 on ubuntu? |
| 15:21.14 | Kalidarn | Oleg_: yes |
| 15:21.25 | sresu | Oleg_: Yes.. using ppa |
| 15:21.26 | Oleg_ | how you guys do it? |
| 15:21.36 | Kalidarn | apt-get install kubuntu-desktop |
| 15:21.46 | Kalidarn | you might want to have the backports enabled if ur using 10.04 |
| 15:21.59 | sresu | Oleg_: Topic of this channel - Links |
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| 15:24.19 | Kalidarn | also it seems |
| 15:24.26 | Kalidarn | unplugging my keyboard and plugging it back in fixes it |
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| 15:25.25 | Oleg_ | I am a user of gentoo, but one of my servers used to run ubuntu and I couldn't figure out how to upgrade to the latest packages on ubuntu. |
| 15:25.43 | leo_rockway | Oleg_: look for the PPA |
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| 15:25.58 | Kalidarn | im wondering if i should report it |
| 15:26.02 | Kalidarn | i never had this problem while using gnome |
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| 15:26.18 | Oleg_ | leo_rockway: ppa will install any recently released package? |
| 15:26.18 | Kalidarn | and the fact that unplugging the keyboard and putting it back in fixes it |
| 15:26.30 | leo_rockway | Oleg_: it should. |
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| 15:27.02 | leo_rockway | Oleg_: you don't have that problem with Gnome because Ubuntu is Gnome-centric. Blame it on them... |
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| 17:25.43 | Patricia | Hello :) |
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| 17:27.59 | Patricia | cloak @kde ? |
| 17:28.00 | Patricia | :P |
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| 17:30.35 | brain0 | is there a place with progress reports concerning hal-free kdelibs? |
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| 17:31.05 | brain0 | last time I checked, powerdevil wasn't ready, but there were hints that KDE SC 4.6 might be feature-complete in that respect |
| 17:31.10 | brain0 | where can I get details? |
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| 17:35.59 | ahiemstra | brain0: there was a blog post about it recently |
| 17:36.21 | ahiemstra | best way to keep up with it is to subscribe to planetkde.org |
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| 17:49.31 | Linuxhippy | Hi! Is there any setting that disables the mini-window-display of plasma's virtual desktop pager? |
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| 17:49.50 | Linuxhippy | I know it displayed open windows before, now it doesn't |
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| 17:50.26 | windowshasyou | Is it wrong to downgrade to kde 3.xx after spending months with 4.xx? |
| 17:50.33 | leo_rockway | Linuxhippy: I noticed one of the plasma themes I tried had the same color for the window and the background so I couldn't see the window... |
| 17:50.59 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: only if you don't pay the â¬500 fine. |
| 17:51.27 | Linuxhippy | windowshasyou: i too would wish for less new features and changes, and more fixes :/ |
| 17:51.58 | Kame2 | windowshasyou: you are free to use what you like most. but would be nice to know what your reasons are |
| 17:52.05 | leo_rockway | KDE 4.5.2 works perfectly for me. There's one weird bug in klipper that shows 2 context menus, but that's it. |
| 17:52.50 | Linuxhippy | leo_rockway: hmm, I didn't change it, I am still on elegance |
| 17:53.09 | Linuxhippy | leo_rockway: I have ~40 open bugs I filed ^^ |
| 17:53.25 | windowshasyou | Kame2: I've been using kde 4.5.2 since its release, before that, I used trunk, and I keep seeing that everything is getting bigger and way more cpu intensive. |
| 17:54.02 | windowshasyou | Its getting to a point to where if I run something like say, doom 3, I notice a huge drop in fps compared to using another DE like 3.xx |
| 17:54.02 | Linuxhippy | windowshasyou: well thats the way software goes, if nobody works to counteract it |
| 17:54.11 | thiago_home | no one does |
| 17:54.20 | thiago_home | you can downgrade to DOS if you want the CPU to be barely used |
| 17:54.21 | windowshasyou | I've shut off the desktop effects and still haven't seen any difference |
| 17:54.46 | thiago_home | users like flashy and shiny stuff |
| 17:55.02 | windowshasyou | thiago_home: not all of us... though the transparent taskbar is nice |
| 17:55.12 | thiago_home | yep, I like it too |
| 17:55.16 | thiago_home | my konsole are transparent too |
| 17:55.48 | windowshasyou | another thing that I wonder about is why, when in kde 4.xx uptime shows 3-5 users |
| 17:55.51 | Linuxhippy | ok, I'll file another bug-report nobody will look at :( |
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| 17:55.55 | windowshasyou | when in kde3, it only showed 1 |
| 17:56.30 | Kame2 | windowshasyou: it is not that bad for all. but there problems with some graphic drivers that renders some things with cpu and such... |
| 17:56.48 | windowshasyou | memory usage for me at least, slowly climbs to over 2 gigs when using nothing more than konversation, kopete, dolphin, and konqueror |
| 17:56.58 | Linuxhippy | Kame: QT's X11 backend is *so* extremly bad, don't point your fingers to drivers |
| 17:57.17 | Linuxhippy | it often doesn't give drivers a chance to accelerate stuff |
| 17:57.50 | Linuxhippy | things like gradients, transformed blits even tiling are done by QT on the CPU |
| 17:58.02 | Kame2 | windowshasyou: there where a memory leak in 4.5.1 and before. and still is a cache in plasma that can grow up to 320mb (but not more). there are huge improvments in 4.6 in this regard |
| 17:58.17 | windowshasyou | Kame2: Don't get me wrong, I'm a big supporter of kde and have occasionally submitted patches and such... its just getting to a point where I'm wondering if its worth it |
| 17:58.49 | Kame2 | Linuxhippy: i don't say that all things are fine. just that it is not that bad for all user. i see not very much cpu-usage on normal work |
| 17:58.58 | jonnor | windowshasyou: typically you will have one "user" (login) per shell |
| 17:59.14 | jonnor | windowshasyou: this includes shells in terminals like konsole, and ssh connections |
| 17:59.44 | windowshasyou | jonnor: I know its supposed to be that way and it shows in other DEs, but it shows at least 3 users for me |
| 17:59.45 | Kame2 | jonnor: he is right. who shows 4 users but uptime shows 7... |
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| 18:00.00 | leo_rockway | I have 2 users |
| 18:00.08 | leo_rockway | one with startkde and the other one with /usr/bin/kwrited |
| 18:00.09 | windowshasyou | jonnor: hold on, I've got nothing but one konsole open and no ssh, etc going |
| 18:00.18 | leo_rockway | and this is my only login |
| 18:00.34 | jonnor | windowshasyou: some services might also run as a separate user (with a login shell, though that is much more uncommon) |
| 18:02.08 | windowshasyou | jonnor: I can't think of any service installed on this system that wouldn't run as anything other than root during startup |
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| 18:02.20 | Kame2 | windowshasyou: i think supporting is never wrong. there are many people working hard to make performance as good as possible. but there are bad drivers, qt may have bugs/slowdowns and of course people make errors from time to time |
| 18:04.40 | Linuxhippy | Kame2: and often performance simply gets too little attention |
| 18:04.54 | Linuxhippy | if you dedicate your whole spare-time to implement a feature and get it rock-solid |
| 18:05.12 | Linuxhippy | often there is simply no time to do extensiv profiling or memory allocation analysis |
| 18:05.36 | Linuxhippy | I still think something like automated regression testing would be really great for KDE |
| 18:06.09 | Linuxhippy | anyway, thanks to all who work so hard on my DE of choice :) |
| 18:06.25 | Kame2 | Linuxhippy: right, this can happen with new features. but someone will profile it at some time |
| 18:07.45 | Linuxhippy | Kame2: I still would opt for major release which would focus on stability and performance |
| 18:08.31 | Linuxhippy | have to go, cu |
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| 18:08.36 | Kame2 | cu |
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| 18:12.08 | hrna | hello, is there anyone out there who could advice me in my problem, the nature of my problem is here: http://picasaweb.google.com/Maruchan86/Random#5528336211589367954 |
| 18:12.18 | hrna | it happens with all KDE applications |
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| 18:13.28 | vadi | In what source files is handled the save and restore of the session, mainly the one related to the konsole? |
| 18:13.30 | vadi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.50 | rindolf | Hi all! How can I enable the KDE 4 desktop effects on Mandriva Linux Cooker / x86-32 / ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP (RV630) / KMS? |
| 18:14.04 | rindolf | I'm using kdebase4-workspace-4.5.71-0.svn1185867.1mdv2011.0 |
| 18:14.05 | windowshasyou | Kame2 jonnor, 12:14:22 up 2:53, 4 users, load average: 3.52, 4.34, 3.70 |
| 18:14.20 | windowshasyou | Thats with only one konsole open, konversation and kopete |
| 18:14.36 | windowshasyou | I had to wait for something to finish compiling before I could pull it up |
| 18:14.48 | jonnor | windowshasyou: check which users they are and how they are connected |
| 18:15.09 | windowshasyou | jonnor: how would I do that? |
| 18:15.09 | jonnor | I doubt this points to a problem tho |
| 18:15.24 | jonnor | windowshasyou: "who" is useful for instance |
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| 18:15.42 | jonnor | and then perhaps you can track them down by looking at processes |
| 18:16.06 | jonnor | ps, each tab in console would probably get a separate user |
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| 18:16.19 | windowshasyou | jonnor: phobos tty1 Oct 15 09:21 phobos :0 Oct 15 09:27 phobos pts/0 Oct 15 09:28 (:0) |
| 18:16.43 | jonnor | only two? |
| 18:16.44 | windowshasyou | only one tab open |
| 18:16.54 | jonnor | What does "users" say? |
| 18:17.11 | windowshasyou | phobos phobos |
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| 18:17.56 | Kame2 | [19:59:44] <Kame2> jonnor: he is right. who shows 4 users but uptime shows 7... |
| 18:18.04 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: you have a session started in tty1 |
| 18:18.39 | windowshasyou | leo_rockway: That shouldn't make much difference |
| 18:19.00 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: the first user in "who" is that phobos on tty1 |
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| 18:19.59 | windowshasyou | leo_rockway: when kde 3.xx finishes compiling, I'll log into that, log back in here, and paste the current users |
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| 18:20.20 | windowshasyou | leo_rockway: Then you can see the results yourself. |
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| 18:21.20 | windowshasyou | 67 packages left |
| 18:21.27 | windowshasyou | so roughly about an hour until I can do that. |
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| 18:51.30 | ebdomino | rou |
| 18:52.15 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: do you know about Trinity? |
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| 18:52.56 | windowshasyou | leo_rockway: Not right off. Care to enlighten me? |
| 18:53.14 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: it's a project to continue KDE 3. They released KDE 3.5.12 |
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| 18:53.59 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_12 |
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| 18:54.32 | zxy_64-2 | hi, is it possible to configure fish protocol to have the same speed as normal scp? Speed here for fish is 1/3 of normal scp, 3.5M/s instead of 11M/s |
| 18:54.44 | windowshasyou | leo_rockway: Interesting. Thanks for the link. |
| 18:54.54 | leo_rockway | windowshasyou: no problem. |
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| 18:56.52 | zxy_64-2 | or, perhaps, how to tell konqueror to use ssh(sftp)? It doesnt recognize the sftp protocol. |
| 18:57.00 | zxy_64-2 | ^^ or dolphin |
| 18:57.34 | pedro3005 | In quassel, where do I configure a network to autojoin some channels? |
| 18:57.36 | pedro3005 | can't find it |
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| 18:59.31 | rindolf | zxy_64-2: well, it should. |
| 18:59.39 | rindolf | zxy_64-2: do you have the right kio_ plugins? |
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| 19:00.23 | zxy_64-2 | rindolf, probably not. in which package would they be located? |
| 19:00.37 | rindolf | zxy_64-2: what is your distribution? |
| 19:00.50 | zxy_64-2 | exherbo |
| 19:00.58 | rindolf | zxy_64-2: never heard of it. |
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| 19:01.41 | rindolf | http://exherbo.org/ - hmmm... |
| 19:01.54 | zxy_64-2 | it's source based, and i could set the configure options to enable sftp, just i need to know in which package and which options |
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| 19:07.57 | rindolf | zxy_64-2: it's in kdelibs for me. |
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| 19:09.05 | zxy_64-2 | rindolf, thx |
| 19:09.30 | rindolf | zxy_64-2: you're welcome. |
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| 19:41.24 | nsaibot | hmm |
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| 19:53.52 | Cuke | hi all , can i build kde on a system with kde already installed? |
| 19:54.13 | Cuke | btw i'd like to get involved in bug fixing |
| 19:54.38 | Cuke | but never joined such a big project |
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| 19:55.03 | thiago_home | it's possible |
| 19:56.56 | Cuke | thiago_home: thanks |
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| 21:26.48 | botmind | Hi. I am unable to play some .wav files with Noatun - I hear only 1 milisec click and then it jumps to the next, but shows track time correctly and I can play these files with aplay |
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| 21:27.04 | miasma | does anyone know why the X process keeps growing when using kde applications with large pixmaps (e.g. konqueror and gwenview when viewing photography) |
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| 21:27.22 | botmind | and also I can play some other .wav files with Noatun with no probs |
| 21:27.41 | thiago_home | miasma: because pixmaps are stored in the X server |
| 21:27.51 | thiago_home | botmind: noatun is not maintained |
| 21:27.53 | miasma | thiago_home: and when the kde app closes, the memory isn't freed. why? |
| 21:27.55 | thiago_home | if it's a bug, there's no fix |
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| 21:28.06 | thiago_home | miasma: it should be freed. In fact, it probably is. |
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| 21:28.14 | thiago_home | but freed memory doesn't mean memory returned to the OS. |
| 21:28.18 | botmind | thiago_home: hmm is the favour of which player? |
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| 21:28.32 | miasma | thiago_home: yes, it isn't returned to the OS. only the X process can reuse it for pixmaps |
| 21:28.36 | miasma | and that's the problem |
| 21:29.04 | miasma | thiago_home: the X process grows to 3.3 GB here and the machine only has 4 GB of physical RAM |
| 21:29.19 | miasma | after 3 days of use |
| 21:29.36 | thiago_home | sounds like an X bug though |
| 21:29.44 | thiago_home | I run X for 40+ days or more |
| 21:29.51 | thiago_home | it does reach 400-500 MB |
| 21:29.55 | thiago_home | but not more than that |
| 21:29.57 | miasma | it only happens when viewing large pictures. e.g. in akregator, gwenview etc. |
| 21:30.05 | miasma | i deal with 15..20 MPix images |
| 21:31.14 | miasma | thiago_home: but that's still pretty much e.g. in LTSP environments where there are 50+ users using the same server |
| 21:31.41 | miasma | would be useful if the X process could compact itself |
| 21:31.46 | thiago_home | yes |
| 21:31.57 | thiago_home | usually that's a driver issue, though |
| 21:31.58 | miasma | ok, so it's a fundamental problem with X and nothing can be done? |
| 21:32.17 | miasma | i use proprietary nvidia drivers so I guess I'm out of luck |
| 21:32.18 | thiago_home | the memory is actually on the GPU and is simply mapped to RAM |
| 21:32.30 | miasma | would running a 64-bit kernel help ? |
| 21:32.40 | thiago_home | runs 32-bit |
| 21:32.44 | thiago_home | and nvidia blob drivers |
| 21:32.53 | thiago_home | you can also recompile X with a different malloc |
| 21:32.59 | miasma | interesting |
| 21:33.04 | thiago_home | some other implementations do return memory to the OS |
| 21:33.04 | miasma | I could try that |
| 21:33.37 | miasma | i could try that next |
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| 21:43.18 | thingy | miasma: This is going to help you but, the following thread does discuss the kind of issue you are having. Gist is that as a serve X cannot dictate to clients to not be greedy with the pixmap requests and hence uses as much resources as it can. http://www.spinics.net/lists/xorg/msg28089.html |
| 21:43.36 | thingy | s/serve/server |
| 21:44.21 | thingy | and s/This is going/this is not going |
| 21:44.28 | thingy | sorry am tired |
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| 21:56.13 | Oleg_ | I also wanna install this theme: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/KDE_4.2_%28RC%29.png |
| 21:56.27 | Oleg_ | any idea how that wallpaper is called? |
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| 21:59.11 | zxy_64-2 | btw, sftp is in kdebase-runtime not in kdelibs |
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| 21:59.38 | zephyr_ | @Oleg: I belive the plasma theme is oxyglass |
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| 22:12.33 | Oleg_ | ok, how come only the panel changed its color after I changed the desktop theme? |
| 22:12.41 | Oleg_ | applications didn't change their color |
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| 22:18.04 | zephyr_ | @Oleg: Because that is a plasma theme. It only changes the appearance of panels desktop widgets etc. |
| 22:18.39 | zephyr_ | for application appearance open Systemsettings -> Application Apeearance |
| 22:18.53 | zephyr_ | and change both colors style etc. |
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| 22:30.21 | rufsketch1 | hello everyone |
| 22:30.28 | rufsketch1 | I recently install 4.5.1 |
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| 22:30.55 | rufsketch1 | when plasma notification is in its popup animation |
| 22:31.04 | rufsketch1 | its background doesn't blur |
| 22:31.52 | rufsketch1 | but when it finishes the animation, the background blurs |
| 22:31.52 | rufsketch1 | how do I change this? |
| 22:31.52 | rufsketch1 | I want it to blur while it is animating |
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| 22:56.18 | rufsketch1 | for such a full room, this place sure is quiet |
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| 23:11.12 | Oleg_ | so, in your opinion, konqueror is better than firefox? |
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| 23:18.04 | ahiemstra | rufsketch1: the notifications not blurring is intentional and meant to improve performance |
| 23:18.16 | ahiemstra | I don't think it can be disabled |
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| 23:25.02 | cuci | evening folks! Is there a kde utility to change the label of an usb stick? |
| 23:26.24 | qal | cuci: partitionmanager is certainly one. |
| 23:28.30 | cuci | qal: yeah and gparted another, I was hopping for something more light....maybe even an right-click action |
| 23:28.46 | cuci | I'll stick with mlabel |
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