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| 00:28.51 | arkascha | Using kde4: where can I change the action for mouse clicks on the desktop ? |
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| 02:54.09 | fr33mind | hi |
| 02:54.43 | leo_rockway | fr33mind: hello |
| 02:55.03 | fr33mind | i have a .desktop file, and i copied it to /usr/share/applications, but it's not showing on KDE Menu |
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| 03:05.00 | whoever | are there any alternatives to quanta that use kde libs ? |
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| 05:48.19 | StrongOrder | Hello guys! I've seen a screenshot of the latest kde where the whole window chrome is blurred, not just title bars. How can I do that? I have 4.5.1 |
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| 07:06.32 | RyanMcCoskrie | Evening everyone. |
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| 07:43.44 | TriggerHa | i need to remotely control my linux desktop. i need to share a specific account is this possible with linux? |
| 07:43.54 | TriggerHa | like if someone else were logged in i'd wanna see my mouse moving, etc.. |
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| 07:44.22 | TriggerHa | vnc for linux doesn't seem to offer this |
| 07:44.51 | TriggerHa | and i'm told nx is the same way |
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| 08:09.41 | Tasser | when I'm openin kmail, it tries to update akonadi, fails and crashes. opening it again and it works quite well. ideas? |
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| 09:34.10 | Sebastian_ | Hi. any kde for windows guys here? |
| 09:36.07 | Sebastian_ | we've a problem building QCA for windows using cmake |
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| 09:38.46 | Jucato | Sebastian_: try #kde-windows |
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| 09:54.39 | r4tune | hrm |
| 09:54.43 | r4tune | how do i change the wallpaper |
| 09:54.54 | r4tune | yesterday i changed it on one monitor but can't remember how |
| 09:54.55 | thiago_home | right click the desktop |
| 09:54.59 | r4tune | lol |
| 09:55.02 | r4tune | thanks |
| 09:55.29 | r4tune | ahh thats beautiful |
| 09:55.42 | TriggerHa | did you try tuning it off and on again? |
| 09:55.45 | r4tune | Beach Reflecting Clouds |
| 09:55.52 | r4tune | what a photo |
| 09:55.52 | TriggerHa | *turning |
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| 10:02.41 | ahox___ | Hi, is there a system monitor in kde4 that can also watch other servers as the one in kde3? |
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| 10:10.18 | r4tune | ahox___: i don't know but if there's one that can watch a local server you shouldn't find it to hard to mod the code to allow monitor remote one |
| 10:10.23 | r4tune | the glory of opensource |
| 10:10.30 | r4tune | no need for ollydbg to correct programmer errors |
| 10:10.36 | r4tune | like "please enter registration key" |
| 10:10.39 | r4tune | j/k |
| 10:14.48 | ahox___ | r4tune: well, the kde system monitor can only observe the local computer... otherwise I would agree |
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| 10:15.35 | r4tune | must stay away from ollydbg... |
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| 10:16.09 | r4tune | i know why those reversers do it now, i had a program (with a licence) but i didn't like the splash screen so i used olly to delete it, then couldn't resist also removing the licence key check and the "thank you for buying" popup |
| 10:16.12 | r4tune | heh |
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| 10:40.19 | Uresu | Hi all, does anyone know the KDE/Fedora fix for this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408480 |
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| 10:41.33 | r4tune | how odd! it does it here too |
| 10:41.52 | r4tune | you could fix it with xmodmap but it 1) maybe it's a feature |
| 10:41.58 | r4tune | and 2) why use shift with numpad |
| 10:42.32 | r4tune | someone might have thought that it was a feature |
| 10:42.32 | Uresu | Ctlrl, shift & end selects all text to end of page. |
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| 10:42.45 | Uresu | Whereas in my case it's just entering a 1 :( |
| 10:42.49 | r4tune | and you only have the one end key cause u have a laptop |
| 10:42.51 | r4tune | i get it |
| 10:42.57 | Uresu | yep |
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| 10:45.02 | Uresu | Any idea? |
| 10:45.25 | DarkMac | is there a service menu to resize selected images to a custom size? |
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| 10:52.20 | r4tune | Uresu: well i had a quick google and couldn't find the answer so i have three suggestion for you, 1) get the program xmodmap, you can make the keyboard act how you like with this 2) google more than i did, 3) get an ubuntu mini install, install it in a vm, put the entire install in a git repo then change the behaviour and do git diff so you can see what it changed :) |
| 10:52.47 | r4tune | or |
| 10:52.54 | r4tune | you could try asking in an ubuntu dev channel |
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| 10:52.59 | r4tune | they might be willing to tell ya |
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| 10:54.04 | r4tune | 4) ask in Xorg |
| 10:54.09 | r4tune | #xorg |
| 10:54.43 | Uresu | r4tune: Thanks so much |
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| 11:04.33 | vi___ | hello I have a real problem here |
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| 11:04.48 | tuxick | and what did the doctor say? |
| 11:05.04 | vi___ | I have an nvidia card and a dual monitor setup. |
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| 11:05.12 | vi___ | it all works fine |
| 11:05.15 | vi___ | more or less |
| 11:05.17 | vi___ | however |
| 11:05.37 | thiago | it works fine for me |
| 11:05.49 | vi___ | when I fullscreen an application it stretche sit across both monitors |
| 11:06.04 | vi___ | giving me the gap between the monitors in the middle |
| 11:06.13 | vi___ | this is a MASSIVE pain in the ass |
| 11:06.24 | vi___ | it used to only fullscreen to just one monitor |
| 11:06.53 | vi___ | how can I make it so that when I full screen a program it just fullscreens to one monitor instead of the entire desktop |
| 11:08.42 | vi___ | I am running debian sid, nvidia 6600. |
| 11:09.11 | vi___ | even the taskbar stretches across both monitors which is wrong as well |
| 11:09.51 | r4tune | vi___: it did that to me once |
| 11:10.02 | vi___ | ...and |
| 11:10.03 | r4tune | what happened was, i switched to a VT during xinit |
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| 11:10.10 | r4tune | when i didn't do that, it didn't do it |
| 11:10.36 | vi___ | ? |
| 11:10.44 | r4tune | after kdm was logging me in |
| 11:10.53 | r4tune | i switched to a "console" |
| 11:10.59 | vi___ | yeah i get that |
| 11:11.00 | r4tune | a virtual terminal while it was logging me in |
| 11:11.08 | r4tune | and that made it do what you just described |
| 11:11.20 | vi___ | so there is no known solution |
| 11:11.22 | vi___ | ? |
| 11:11.34 | r4tune | i only put it out there in case u did that |
| 11:11.39 | r4tune | cause i came in here with same question once |
| 11:12.21 | r4tune | vi___: try switching to different kde packages |
| 11:12.27 | r4tune | only solution i can think of |
| 11:12.34 | r4tune | like squeeze |
| 11:12.37 | r4tune | or stable |
| 11:12.44 | vi___ | ugh |
| 11:12.59 | r4tune | or switch distro :) |
| 11:13.00 | vi___ | so I have to endure this till squeeze catches up |
| 11:13.04 | r4tune | opensuse is nice :) |
| 11:13.06 | vi___ | FFS |
| 11:13.07 | vi___ | god dammit even windows 'nearly a DECADE OLD, XP can get this right. |
| 11:13.25 | r4tune | ranting at people who provide free software always backfires |
| 11:13.33 | vi___ | I know |
| 11:13.50 | Uresu | vi___: Ask for a refund. |
| 11:14.02 | vi___ | I just want a computer that works consistently |
| 11:14.13 | r4tune | vi___: opensuse never fails to work for me... :D |
| 11:14.24 | Uresu | Fedora works flawlessly here thanks |
| 11:14.32 | r4tune | my only complaint is it has too many unnecessary dependencies |
| 11:14.37 | r4tune | fedora is also a fine distro |
| 11:14.42 | r4tune | my second choice |
| 11:14.56 | r4tune | (for desktop) |
| 11:15.09 | r4tune | funny seeing as it's supposed to be trial for server :) |
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| 11:16.15 | r4tune | opensuse and fedora steal ... i mean share a lot in common |
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| 11:16.40 | tuxick | i still have this problem with firefox and chromium thinking spacebar means google search |
| 11:16.50 | tuxick | so i can't use space in forms |
| 11:17.07 | tuxick | tried other user, same problem |
| 11:17.38 | tuxick | i find it totally unacceptable i have to reinstall to fix this |
| 11:17.48 | r4tune | it's funny you start out in linux with like slack or lfs, realise what a waste of time it is so switch to ubuntu, realise how broken it is and then you end up with fedora or opensuse installed |
| 11:17.49 | r4tune | :D |
| 11:17.53 | vi___ | as a shareware app linux sucks |
| 11:18.05 | tuxick | ubuntu isn't that bad |
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| 11:18.27 | r4tune | i upgraded packages once and my X server stopped working |
| 11:18.30 | r4tune | it got rm'd |
| 11:18.36 | tuxick | haha |
| 11:19.39 | r4tune | like this problem vi___ is having now |
| 11:19.43 | r4tune | that would make me rm debian |
| 11:20.56 | vi___ | all operating systems make me rage |
| 11:21.04 | r4tune | tried opensuse or fedora? |
| 11:21.12 | r4tune | "newbie" distros ? |
| 11:21.12 | vi___ | NO |
| 11:21.18 | r4tune | they're great |
| 11:21.22 | vi___ | I am sure they are |
| 11:21.26 | r4tune | i can sit here and build my own toolchain if i want |
| 11:21.35 | r4tune | but somebody else made it nice and easy for me |
| 11:21.37 | r4tune | it just works :D |
| 11:21.40 | vi___ | apt-get install build-essentials |
| 11:21.49 | vi___ | done |
| 11:21.53 | vi___ | next |
| 11:22.00 | tuxick | i wish someone liked my problem |
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| 11:22.04 | r4tune | that's not you building your own tool chain |
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| 11:22.10 | vi___ | why bother |
| 11:22.11 | r4tune | that's using debian to bootstrap itself |
| 11:22.14 | tuxick | it's been bother me for a week now, and i have no idea where to look |
| 11:22.16 | r4tune | exactly my point |
| 11:22.20 | r4tune | newbie distros are the best ones |
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| 11:22.24 | r4tune | cause they make it all easy |
| 11:22.31 | tuxick | as we all know, you can't use only konqueror |
| 11:22.40 | vi___ | spend all day polishing your spanners or actually do some work? |
| 11:22.44 | tuxick | that would greatly limit the number of sites i could visit |
| 11:23.13 | r4tune | tuxick: it doesn't happen to me |
| 11:23.17 | r4tune | so i don't know about it |
| 11:23.18 | tuxick | of course not |
| 11:23.25 | tuxick | nobody knows where to look |
| 11:23.26 | vi___ | have you checked your keymap |
| 11:23.27 | vi___ | ? |
| 11:23.30 | tuxick | well i got suggestions |
| 11:23.31 | tuxick | yes |
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| 11:23.47 | tuxick | but it must be something somewhere in kde |
| 11:24.04 | vi___ | have you used xinput to check that spacebar is passing the correct keycode/scancode? |
| 11:24.11 | r4tune | or xev |
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| 11:24.12 | tuxick | xev you mean |
| 11:24.18 | vi___ | yes |
| 11:24.18 | tuxick | well i can use space everywhere |
| 11:24.22 | vi___ | ok |
| 11:24.29 | tuxick | except in firefox and chromium |
| 11:24.31 | vi___ | so it is just the browsers it does it in? |
| 11:24.42 | tuxick | yes |
| 11:24.55 | vi___ | sucks to be you |
| 11:25.10 | tuxick | somehow kde seems to send them ctrl-k or whatever it was that's used for search |
| 11:25.27 | tuxick | yeah ctrl-k |
| 11:25.43 | vi___ | you have any key remapping, shortcuts programs? |
| 11:26.05 | tuxick | like? |
| 11:26.09 | vi___ | I dunno |
| 11:26.16 | tuxick | none i'm aware of |
| 11:26.18 | vi___ | I am trying to think generally here |
| 11:26.23 | tuxick | except this kde thingie |
| 11:26.35 | vi___ | kde ploughs cocks |
| 11:26.44 | r4tune | loves kde |
| 11:26.47 | tuxick | that uses khotkeysrc |
| 11:26.54 | r4tune | loves kde 4 |
| 11:27.04 | tuxick | well the fact it's close to impossible to fix this makes me like kde4 a lot less |
| 11:27.16 | r4tune | tuxick: does it do it if u aren't using kwin? |
| 11:27.20 | vi___ | soo much potential, squandered |
| 11:27.21 | r4tune | did u try that |
| 11:27.25 | vi___ | bb |
| 11:27.38 | r4tune | startx without a wm |
| 11:27.43 | r4tune | and see if it still does it in firefox |
| 11:27.55 | r4tune | maybe nothing to do with kde |
| 11:27.56 | tuxick | there's this "input actions" where under "kmenuedit" there's ctrl-k mapped to search |
| 11:28.07 | r4tune | kde has a lot of options for keyboard modification in system settings |
| 11:28.15 | r4tune | maybe u ticked something in there |
| 11:28.23 | r4tune | but you really should try starting x without kde |
| 11:28.28 | r4tune | it might not be kde doing it |
| 11:28.30 | tuxick | and in the keyboard shortcuts dialogs space is indeed regognized as "search" |
| 11:28.45 | tuxick | but i have no idea how/where to get rid of that |
| 11:28.58 | tuxick | then what? |
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| 11:29.23 | pinotree | you cannot disable the input actions? |
| 11:29.25 | tuxick | xmodmap -kp sure doesn't show space sending ctrl-k |
| 11:29.31 | tuxick | neither does xev |
| 11:29.58 | tuxick | i also can't find 'search' in keyboard shortcuts dialogs |
| 11:30.53 | tuxick | ah right, that was under "khotkeys" |
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| 11:31.02 | tuxick | where search is clearly defined as ctrl-k |
| 11:31.47 | pinotree | isn't there a checkbox next to the action name in the list? |
| 11:32.07 | tuxick | no |
| 11:33.06 | pinotree | if you right click on the "search" entry, do you get a popup menu? |
| 11:33.08 | tuxick | i do know that if i try to assing keybinding, the "Custom" dialog shows me "Search, Space" |
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| 11:33.32 | tuxick | yes, the "Default/Custom" thing |
| 11:33.42 | tuxick | well that's not really popup but it's a dialog |
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| 11:35.00 | tuxick | i really get the impression it's khotkeys messing up |
| 11:35.35 | pinotree | after you quit system settings, can you please show a screenshot of your `kcmshell4 khotkeys`, with the search action visible? |
| 11:36.00 | tuxick | sec |
| 11:36.01 | pinotree | i do have checkboxes for the actions in the list, either with kde 4.4 and current trunk (future 4.6) |
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| 11:37.02 | tuxick | yes, i have that, and there's "Kmenuedit" |
| 11:37.16 | tuxick | which i have unchecked now |
| 11:37.35 | pinotree | the single actions should have checkboxes as well |
| 11:38.13 | tuxick | yes, i also unchecked kmenuedit->search |
| 11:38.23 | pinotree | so it was checked before? |
| 11:38.28 | tuxick | yes |
| 11:38.30 | tuxick | but no diff |
| 11:38.33 | pinotree | aha |
| 11:38.52 | tuxick | i also tried unchecking "start the input actions daemon" |
| 11:38.53 | pinotree | also after ok/apply? |
| 11:39.04 | tuxick | but it stays checked when i restart |
| 11:39.08 | tuxick | yes |
| 11:39.26 | tuxick | and i don't know name of input actions daemon |
| 11:39.29 | tuxick | so can't kill it |
| 11:39.31 | pinotree | ok, so now you unchecked the search action, try a relogin |
| 11:39.40 | tuxick | no, that was already unchecked |
| 11:39.51 | tuxick | i've been searching for a week nwo |
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| 11:40.11 | tuxick | i'd like to try killing input actions daemon |
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| 11:41.37 | pinotree | $ ls -lh ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc |
| 11:41.55 | pinotree | it has rw permissions for you, hasn't it? |
| 11:41.59 | tuxick | yes |
| 11:42.28 | tuxick | and i have a bit about search there |
| 11:42.39 | tuxick | where Key=Ctrl+K |
| 11:43.47 | tuxick | but how can i kill this daemon? |
| 11:43.57 | tuxick | unchecking "start the input actions daemon" |
| 11:44.00 | tuxick | doesn't stick |
| 11:44.32 | r4tune | chmod 0 ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc |
| 11:44.35 | r4tune | heh |
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| 11:44.54 | tuxick | heh it might dislike that |
| 11:45.06 | r4tune | chattr +i ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc |
| 11:45.11 | r4tune | :) |
| 11:45.30 | tuxick | maybe it's kxkb? |
| 11:46.40 | r4tune | what is the input actions daemon |
| 11:46.44 | r4tune | its proccess name |
| 11:46.51 | tuxick | wish i knew |
| 11:47.01 | tuxick | but i now found it's part of kded |
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| 11:47.47 | r4tune | tuxick: where is the start input actions demon option |
| 11:47.52 | r4tune | strace it |
| 11:47.56 | r4tune | when you turn it off |
| 11:48.00 | r4tune | so you can see what it does |
| 11:48.07 | r4tune | then chattr +i the file so it cant undo it |
| 11:48.07 | tuxick | i found a clue |
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| 11:48.18 | tuxick | in "service manager" |
| 11:48.52 | tuxick | ok, stopping khotkeys didn't fix it :/ |
| 11:49.10 | r4tune | you HAVE tried firefox without kde running right? |
| 11:49.17 | r4tune | just to be 100% sure it's a kde problem |
| 11:49.20 | r4tune | not X |
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| 11:50.11 | tuxick | uhm no |
| 11:50.23 | r4tune | well you should otherwise you might be following a red herring |
| 11:50.34 | r4tune | i.e. it probably IS kde but maybe it's something KDE did to X |
| 11:50.38 | tuxick | grr that's a lot of logins |
| 11:50.47 | r4tune | telinit 3 |
| 11:50.51 | r4tune | and run x directly |
| 11:50.53 | r4tune | without kde |
| 11:51.01 | r4tune | see if it still doesit |
| 11:51.24 | tuxick | i bet 2 coffee it's kde |
| 11:51.39 | r4tune | well if i were trying to solve the problem |
| 11:51.44 | r4tune | that would be the first thing i'd do |
| 11:51.50 | r4tune | otherwise i could be wasting a lot of time |
| 11:52.08 | r4tune | for the sake of what 10 minutes? |
| 11:52.22 | r4tune | anyhows lets look at this input manager thing |
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| 11:53.07 | r4tune | got it's pid, now lets see what proggie it is and see what it does |
| 11:53.25 | r4tune | kdeinit4: kcmshell4 [kdeinit] kcmkded |
| 11:53.29 | r4tune | ok |
| 11:53.39 | r4tune | so this is service manager |
| 11:53.46 | r4tune | lets see what he does when i turn off the input manager |
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| 11:55.20 | r4tune | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.31 | r4tune | its just an ini file |
| 11:55.37 | r4tune | and he sets the value to false |
| 11:55.57 | r4tune | so do that |
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| 11:56.03 | r4tune | then sudo chattr +i the file |
| 11:56.05 | r4tune | reboot kde |
| 11:56.11 | r4tune | and see if it load the input manager |
| 11:56.28 | r4tune | he can't undo your false if you chattr +i it |
| 11:57.36 | tuxick | ok, you win 2 coffee |
| 11:57.55 | tuxick | same problem under wmaker |
| 11:57.58 | r4tune | :) |
| 11:58.09 | tuxick | now i'm even more confused |
| 11:58.18 | tuxick | but at least this narrows it down, i suppose |
| 11:58.29 | r4tune | it has to be the x config |
| 11:58.32 | r4tune | so ask #xorg |
| 11:58.40 | r4tune | or man page about a bit |
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| 11:59.02 | r4tune | everyone hating kde for no reason |
| 11:59.07 | r4tune | i still love you katie |
| 11:59.18 | tuxick | :) |
| 12:01.32 | r4tune | btw i didn't know ctrl+k did explicit google search in chromium |
| 12:01.41 | r4tune | you can keep the copy for the tip |
| 12:01.53 | r4tune | s/copy/coffee/ |
| 12:02.29 | r4tune | mind u i have delicious installed so i just type tags into the "address bar" mostly anyhow |
| 12:02.54 | r4tune | takes one of the coffees back |
| 12:03.08 | tuxick | r4tune: they copied lots of key commands from ff :) |
| 12:03.21 | tuxick | i also like the alt-number for selecting tabs |
| 12:03.29 | tuxick | konq could use that |
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| 12:03.42 | r4tune | konq sucks |
| 12:03.48 | tuxick | it's getting there |
| 12:03.49 | r4tune | i love kde but konq is dead |
| 12:03.50 | r4tune | sorry |
| 12:03.59 | thiago | loves konq |
| 12:03.59 | r4tune | chromium is what konq wanted to be |
| 12:04.09 | tuxick | but there's awful lots of very bad javascript out there |
| 12:04.22 | r4tune | he stole it's soul and made it usable |
| 12:04.23 | tuxick | all trial&error crap, you're lucky if they tested it against ff |
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| 12:04.53 | r4tune | it's still a decent enough file manager for funny cases |
| 12:04.57 | r4tune | like webdav |
| 12:05.04 | r4tune | i prefer browsing webdav in konq than dolphin |
| 12:05.48 | tuxick | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.49 | tuxick | great |
| 12:05.53 | r4tune | lol |
| 12:06.07 | tuxick | damn this |
| 12:06.14 | tuxick | i have no idea where to look now |
| 12:07.10 | r4tune | tuxick: thank your stars you aren't this guy http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/wave/thread?tid=2af087f8811f012a&hl=en |
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| 12:07.36 | r4tune | it turned out his keyboard was faulty lol |
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| 12:08.13 | tuxick | haha |
| 12:09.17 | tuxick | well since xev was rather clearly showing correct output i didn't consider broken keyboard |
| 12:09.17 | r4tune | state 0x0, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space) |
| 12:09.20 | tuxick | but i could check |
| 12:09.23 | r4tune | that output? |
| 12:10.26 | tuxick | yes |
| 12:10.38 | tuxick | dude, forget the coffee and have a beer |
| 12:10.43 | tuxick | it's the damn keyboard |
| 12:10.51 | r4tune | :D |
| 12:11.06 | tuxick | i didnt know it had a search key |
| 12:11.41 | r4tune | hugs katie |
| 12:11.45 | tuxick | how on earth could xev not show that?? |
| 12:11.48 | r4tune | tuxick: im off the beers too |
| 12:11.52 | tuxick | aww |
| 12:11.53 | r4tune | they got me banned from #python |
| 12:12.09 | r4tune | cause i said: array = list; a = array() |
| 12:12.52 | leif | I have this strange bug in KDE 4.5.1 with Konversation. When I hover over the tabs from the different channels at the bottom of the window, my mouse disappears |
| 12:13.03 | r4tune | they are arrogant pricks anyway |
| 12:13.05 | r4tune | not much of a loss |
| 12:13.19 | r4tune | they aren't very helpful most of the time just talk about math and say USE TWISTED IN EVERYTHIGN |
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| 12:13.42 | proviamo1 | i faced sum issues on f14b with kde 4.5.1 |
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| 12:29.14 | RushPL | since kde 4.5, when I start a fullscreen app that disables one of my twinview monitors, after returning to the twinview mode, my panel from second monitor is moved to the first one ... kde 4.4 properly remembered its position - is there a solution? is it a known bug? |
| 12:29.20 | RushPL | must be something plasma related |
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| 12:39.33 | James147 | RushPL: do you mean plasma is moving it back every time you try to move it? |
| 12:39.56 | RushPL | no I mean that plasma moves my panel when I change a mode to one that doesn't have two screens |
| 12:40.04 | RushPL | so for example I have twinview with 3840x1080 |
| 12:40.15 | RushPL | I start a 1920x1080 mode, and get back to 3840x1080 |
| 12:40.33 | RushPL | after returning back, my panel is on first screen instead of on the second. |
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| 12:40.42 | RushPL | in kde 4.4 plasma used to remember where the panel was. |
| 12:41.52 | James147 | RushPL: ahh dose the same here, had the feeling it was made that way to stop widgets being unreachable... but I dont know for sure |
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| 12:52.15 | RushPL | James147: the widgets are ok |
| 12:52.19 | RushPL | James147: only the panel is moved |
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| 13:01.09 | aseigo | RushPL: is there a panel on that side of the screen, so that you get overlapping panels? |
| 13:02.00 | RushPL | yes, I get two overlapping panels after returning to my twinview mode. I had quite a puzzle at first to find the missing panel below the first one. |
| 13:02.44 | aseigo | RushPL: what version? |
| 13:03.07 | RushPL | rush@unimatrix:~> kde4-config --version |
| 13:03.08 | RushPL | Qt: 4.7.0 |
| 13:03.08 | RushPL | KDE: 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1) |
| 13:03.08 | RushPL | kde4-config: 1.0 |
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| 13:03.19 | RushPL | (with Qt 4.6.3 it was the same) |
| 13:04.58 | [Enrico] | i have a dual monitor setup, the desktop is automatically moved to the second screen. Is there a way to configure kde to be able to chose on which monitor i want the desktop on? (or is this a driver settings, so i need to set which monitor has the overlay, and which one the framebuffer?) |
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| 13:05.35 | RushPL | my widgets somehow remember that they were on the second screen, so for me it's an issue only with the panel (though I don't have a desktop widget) |
| 13:05.56 | RushPL | and with kde 4.4 it worked like a charm. I think it was the best twinview supporting environment. ;) |
| 13:06.09 | [Enrico] | well it is ok for me to just be able to move the panel |
| 13:06.24 | [Enrico] | but it is moved to the second screen too |
| 13:06.31 | [Enrico] | i'm on kde 4.4.5 |
| 13:06.45 | [Enrico] | on fglrx driver, if that matters |
| 13:07.09 | RushPL | I think it is somehow different because you have real xinerama. |
| 13:07.17 | [Enrico] | no i don't |
| 13:07.21 | [Enrico] | xinerama is disabled |
| 13:07.30 | [Enrico] | fglrx is randr 1.3 compatible |
| 13:07.36 | aseigo | 4.4.5? seiously? |
| 13:07.47 | aseigo | i thought that code didn't make it in until 4.5.0 |
| 13:07.54 | [Enrico] | aseigo: yeah |
| 13:07.55 | aseigo | in fact, i'm nearly positive it didn't |
| 13:08.06 | RushPL | aseigo: so hmm, shall I submit a bug report? regression or what? |
| 13:08.13 | aseigo | since i wrote it and dn't remember backporting it for fear of it being potentially too disruptive |
| 13:08.19 | aseigo | no, it's already fixed... |
| 13:08.31 | aseigo | in 4.5.1 or 4.5.2... one or the other |
| 13:08.40 | aseigo | there was a long and fruitful discussion on b.k.o about it |
| 13:08.45 | RushPL | must be 4.5.2 |
| 13:09.02 | aseigo | ah, enrico is on 4.4.5 |
| 13:09.06 | [Enrico] | :) |
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| 13:09.39 | aseigo | enrico, you're issue is different. it's because of x.org playing with screen #s (stupidly) |
| 13:09.55 | aseigo | and it's why this panel moving when screens go away was removed |
| 13:09.57 | [Enrico] | eheheh |
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| 13:10.10 | aseigo | notes that some people like the automatic panel moving, some don't |
| 13:10.27 | aseigo | it's all non-deterministic, because x.org doesn't stick to the same freaing #s for screens |
| 13:10.35 | [Enrico] | aseigo: i like it, i just wish to know if i can configure it :) |
| 13:10.41 | aseigo | kephal will undoubtably need work in future to paper over this |
| 13:10.50 | aseigo | no, it's not configurable |
| 13:11.04 | [Enrico] | aseigo: ok thank you |
| 13:11.05 | aseigo | far too difficult of an option to provide most users |
| 13:11.14 | [Enrico] | i see |
| 13:11.25 | einar77 | doesn't the panel stay on the primary screen as defined by xrandr, or am I mistaken? |
| 13:11.45 | [Enrico] | einar77: the panel is moved to the second one |
| 13:11.50 | [Enrico] | automatically |
| 13:11.51 | einar77 | I just did that two days ago with 4.5.x though |
| 13:12.11 | einar77 | [Enrico]: what about doing xrandr --output YOUR_OTHER_SCREEN --primary? |
| 13:12.24 | einar77 | it did the trick for me |
| 13:12.24 | [Enrico] | einar77: mhm..... then it might be different with 4.4.5 |
| 13:13.16 | einar77 | because yes, when I attached and configured the panel was on the "wrong" display |
| 13:13.21 | einar77 | I moved it using that |
| 13:13.30 | [Enrico] | einar77: so you're saying to set the second screen as primary so the panel will be moved to the secondary one........ might work eheheh |
| 13:13.37 | einar77 | in my case |
| 13:13.44 | [Enrico] | i will try this too |
| 13:13.47 | einar77 | because xrandr assigned primary to the external screen |
| 13:13.54 | einar77 | by default |
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| 13:14.10 | einar77 | (this is with intel, I've yet to ttest with radeon) |
| 13:14.23 | RushPL | aseigo: I don't quite get the automatic panel moving , in which usecase it could be useful? like disconnecting an external monitor from a notebook? |
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| 13:14.31 | [Enrico] | einar77: mhm how can i discover who is the current primary screen ? |
| 13:14.44 | einar77 | likely the xrandr command line utility |
| 13:15.02 | [Enrico] | einar77: doesn't tell who is the primary |
| 13:15.17 | [Enrico] | einar77: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/269462/ |
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| 13:15.35 | aseigo | RushPL: which is the common case for screens coming and going, yes |
| 13:15.55 | [Enrico] | einar77: oh wait, i disabled the second screen, let me try enabling it again |
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| 13:16.51 | [Enrico] | einar77: mhm again it doesn't say who is the primary http://paste.pocoo.org/show/269465/ |
| 13:17.30 | einar77 | [Enrico]: what if you assign primary manually? |
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| 13:17.37 | einar77 | try with one and with the other |
| 13:17.49 | [Enrico] | einar77: sure, just a moment+ |
| 13:18.10 | [Enrico] | einar77: i'm checking the aticonfig help page to see if there is a way to query the driver to get who is the primary |
| 13:18.26 | einar77 | ah, you're using the fglrx driver |
| 13:18.36 | einar77 | I'm not sure how good it supports xrandr, althogh I know it does |
| 13:19.05 | [Enrico] | einar77: well not really 100%, but works good. aticonfig supports a lot more features that xrandr |
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| 13:22.02 | einar77 | [Enrico]: the primary screen is the one listed first |
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| 13:22.12 | einar77 | in xrandr |
| 13:22.24 | [Enrico] | ok |
| 13:23.01 | [Enrico] | einar77: mhm it seems that xrandr --output {DFP1|LVDS} --primary has no effects |
| 13:23.02 | einar77 | if your experience doesn't match mine, I'm on 4.5.x so something might have changed |
| 13:23.10 | [Enrico] | einar77: surely |
| 13:23.10 | einar77 | hm |
| 13:23.13 | einar77 | likely |
| 13:23.28 | einar77 | if I hadn't experienced this first hand two days ago I wouldn't have suggsted it |
| 13:23.32 | [Enrico] | i think i have to set the primary from amdcccle or aticonfig |
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| 13:24.09 | [Enrico] | that's what the --ovon, --overlay-on={0|1} option does i think |
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| 14:23.08 | iksik | hello |
| 14:23.34 | iksik | sorry for stupid question - but, how can i add my custom launcher into bottom panel? :| |
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| 14:28.59 | cb400f | iksik: add it to the menu first with kmenuedit.. then drag it to the panel |
| 14:29.22 | iksik | hm, no oder way? |
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| 14:53.32 | Rebells | Folks, my Konsole on 3.5.10 times out on a telnet session on VPN after abt 1 hour, do you know where the setting could be? This does not happen in Konsole of 4.2 |
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| 14:59.19 | Rebells | Is this Konsole related at all, is there some other component involved? |
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| 15:19.20 | Rebells | does it have anything to do with DCOP? |
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| 16:48.11 | bluesceada | hey |
| 16:48.19 | bluesceada | dolphin seems to be spamming my harddrive |
| 16:48.27 | bluesceada | a lot of files in /tmp |
| 16:48.28 | bluesceada | big files |
| 16:48.41 | bluesceada | wonder if i can delete them....` |
| 16:49.05 | bluesceada | dolphin<something>.tmp.part files |
| 16:49.58 | bluesceada | can i delete them |
| 16:50.04 | bluesceada | i have ZERO space left because ofthat... |
| 16:50.14 | bluesceada | dolphin is not even running anymore |
| 16:50.23 | bluesceada | at least not visible.. |
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| 16:50.51 | James147 | bluesceada: you should beable to delete everything in /tmp ... but I would close the applications before you do :) dont know what would happen if you delete something when a programs using it |
| 16:50.53 | bluesceada | no dolphin processes anymore hmh |
| 16:51.02 | bluesceada | James147: yeah but i dont want to log out now |
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| 16:51.15 | bluesceada | and i am not sure what kind of kde background stuff might be still using it... |
| 16:51.19 | bluesceada | :S |
| 16:53.45 | bluesceada | James147: killall kio_file ?? |
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| 16:54.20 | James147 | bluesceada: not sure what damage that would do :) (if any) |
| 16:54.27 | bluesceada | grrr |
| 16:54.32 | bluesceada | why does dolphin do that |
| 16:54.34 | bluesceada | :( |
| 16:54.43 | bluesceada | at least it could clean up afterwards |
| 16:56.12 | bluesceada | kde4 is really wasteful when using /tmp |
| 16:56.31 | bluesceada | really big cache directories, dolphin leaving gigabytes of files and not cleaning up .... |
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| 16:57.16 | bluesceada | i transfered some gigabyte large files using dolphin over sftp and it seemed to use /tmp for everything and never cleaned up |
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| 16:59.44 | bluesceada | damnit why is dolphin using /tmp for those large files, it doesnt make sense at all |
| 17:00.52 | bluesceada | fun thing is, that when no space is left anymore, copying continues without a problem... |
| 17:01.04 | bluesceada | so /tmp is just a buffer or something |
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| 17:04.06 | dasKreech | bluesceada: maybe the files didn't "complete" correctly ? |
| 17:04.14 | bluesceada | no |
| 17:04.24 | bluesceada | there is a bug already |
| 17:04.27 | bluesceada | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194181 |
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| 17:05.03 | dasKreech | hmm ok |
| 17:05.19 | dasKreech | does your distro have a cron job to clear /tmp ? |
| 17:05.24 | bluesceada | it's funny that my /home is even another partition so this creates unecessary extra i/o locally .. |
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| 17:05.51 | bluesceada | some time ago there were only local .part files in the same directory where the file got transfered to |
| 17:06.04 | bluesceada | this is still there, so i dont know about why dolphin creates the other files |
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| 17:06.25 | bluesceada | dasKreech: not sure, maybe i have one set up.... this is not the problem |
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| 17:06.54 | bluesceada | and a cron job wouldn't be so nice |
| 17:07.05 | bluesceada | rather a "shutdown" job or a tmpfs /tmp |
| 17:07.06 | dasKreech | bluesceada: That happeens for Konqueror. I've not transferred over sftp in dolphin for a little |
| 17:07.27 | bluesceada | yeah i should use konqueror again, it is better in most things anyway |
| 17:07.53 | chrs | i have a kde desktop running in nx and i've lost alt+tab functionality |
| 17:08.03 | bluesceada | nx ? |
| 17:08.06 | chrs | i want alt+tab to cycle through windows |
| 17:08.15 | chrs | but i'm not sure where the config for that is |
| 17:08.17 | bluesceada | go to the system settings and set it up |
| 17:08.19 | chrs | bluesceada: no machine |
| 17:08.21 | bluesceada | ah.. |
| 17:08.30 | bluesceada | no machine ?? |
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| 17:08.51 | chrs | bluesceada: nomachine.com |
| 17:08.58 | bluesceada | system settings > keyboard & mouse > global keyboard shortcuts |
| 17:09.01 | chrs | it's an x server basically |
| 17:09.07 | bluesceada | ah.. |
| 17:09.16 | chrs | i can't |
| 17:09.20 | bluesceada | hm? |
| 17:09.23 | chrs | theres only system settings > keyboard |
| 17:09.28 | chrs | and it wants a root password |
| 17:09.29 | bluesceada | then use that |
| 17:09.30 | chrs | i dont have root |
| 17:09.34 | bluesceada | what?? |
| 17:09.41 | bluesceada | you definately dont have a normal kde.... |
| 17:09.51 | bluesceada | something crippled or whatever |
| 17:10.00 | chrs | this is running in red hat enterprise linux |
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| 17:10.29 | bluesceada | then ask red hat, they provide enterprise support usually, dont they? |
| 17:10.35 | bluesceada | they also set up the kde like that |
| 17:11.30 | chrs | not worth going through it support for this |
| 17:11.43 | chrs | i have real tickets pending for actual problems |
| 17:11.53 | bluesceada | then ask maybe in #redhat or something like that |
| 17:12.03 | chrs | i'm wondering if there is a file i can edit some place under my $HOME and just restart kde to get the functionality i want |
| 17:12.21 | bluesceada | i dont think anybody here will be able to help you, because it is really red hat specific |
| 17:12.27 | bluesceada | normal kde would work like i said |
| 17:12.34 | bluesceada | maybe there is |
| 17:12.38 | bluesceada | i dont know |
| 17:12.58 | bluesceada | grep for it... |
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| 17:19.03 | bluesceada | chrs: ~/.kde/share/config/kglobalshortcutsrc |
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| 17:19.37 | bluesceada | chrs: i have these: |
| 17:19.43 | bluesceada | Walk Through Windows=Alt+Tab,Alt+Tab,Walk Through Windows |
| 17:19.43 | bluesceada | Walk Through Windows (Reverse)=Alt+Shift+Backtab,Alt+Shift+Backtab,Walk Through Windows (Reverse) |
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| 17:29.43 | chrs | bluesceada: mine was in kdeglobals |
| 17:29.44 | chrs | thanks |
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| 18:18.24 | Dracos | how similar is konq's (4.4.5) webkit to safari and chrome releases? |
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| 18:29.13 | halakar | Hey guys! I just upgraded to KDE 4.5 on Mandriva Linux 2010.1 and I'm experiencing these really annoying Dolphin crashes. Can anyone here help me locate a newer dbus package for my distribution? They're not of much help in the chat channel.. |
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| 19:26.12 | admiral0 | hi |
| 19:26.19 | admiral0 | i have kdm failing |
| 19:26.32 | admiral0 | starting kde through startx works |
| 19:26.52 | admiral0 | can anybody help? |
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| 19:31.52 | admiral0 | http://pastebin.ca/1952056 |
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| 19:57.50 | halakar | I really like KDE 4.5 :) Good job guys |
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| 20:07.42 | hacosta | hi, im running kde 4.5 when i try to install gmail-plasmoid from the "Get Hot New Stuff" everything goes fine, but i can't find it in the add widget thingy |
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| 20:25.20 | TheOne | hi |
| 20:26.04 | TheOne | i have some question about the kde4 powerdevil profile options |
| 20:27.00 | TheOne | and specialy the german translations of some keywords, i am a little bit confused about them |
| 20:27.35 | TheOne | i have a profile called "performance" and a display tab where i can choose 4 options |
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| 20:28.28 | TheOne | the first one (enable enery saving options) is no problem, but the 3 different below are very confusing |
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| 20:29.38 | TheOne | maybe the english terms are more specific? can somebody say how these options are called in english translation? |
| 20:30.23 | TheOne | the german words are "Bereitschaftsmodus", "Aussetzen" and "Ausschalten" |
| 20:30.32 | thiago_home | what do they roughly translate to? |
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| 20:32.51 | TheOne | i have no idea, i would say that "Aussetzen" and "Ausschalten" are the same |
| 20:33.36 | thiago_home | you can't read German? |
| 20:33.41 | TheOne | thiago_home: do you use english kde translations? |
| 20:33.55 | thiago_home | no, Brazilian Portuguese |
| 20:34.03 | TheOne | yeah thats my fucking problem, i am a german and do not understand the translatino |
| 20:34.27 | thiago_home | what do the words translate to, roughly? |
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| 20:35.12 | TheOne | "Bereitschaftsmodus" i would translate to standby, "Aussetzen" and "Ausschalten" to switch off |
| 20:36.34 | thiago_home | is that monitor energy saver? |
| 20:37.24 | thiago_home | one of them probably means "suspend" |
| 20:38.04 | TheOne | on the display tab there are exactly 5 settings, brightness bar, enable energy saving option and below a block of 3 diffent options |
| 20:38.20 | thiago_home | times? |
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| 20:39.06 | TheOne | is your first of these 3 options maybe screen saver? |
| 20:39.17 | thiago_home | no |
| 20:39.22 | thiago_home | they are monitor shut down times |
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| 20:40.16 | thiago_home | one would power down the electron gun, the second would do that plus turn off the clock, the third completely turns the monitor off except for the wakup signal |
| 20:40.30 | thiago_home | it takes progressively more time to restore a visible screen from each state |
| 20:41.43 | thiago_home | with LCD screens, they're basically the same |
| 20:42.01 | TheOne | ahh ok |
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| 20:43.28 | TheOne | what could i exspect if i would have a LED backlight? |
| 20:44.00 | TheOne | first to options are the same too? |
| 20:44.11 | TheOne | to = 2 ^^ |
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| 20:48.28 | TheOne | ok it doesnt matter, thiago_home thank you very much, it helps me to understand what function these options have ;) |
| 20:48.47 | TheOne | bye |
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| 21:19.31 | Freddy2 | hi |
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| 21:21.52 | Freddy2 | i've noticed something strange when copying a set of big files from my external drive to one internal (let's say 8 files, each one 12 GB or so): the device notifier did popup by itself somehow notifying of a "new drive" (the same), and of course the file copying has stopped.. i've seen it twice tonight (had never happened) |
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| 21:22.21 | Freddy2 | can this be a problem with dolphin/device notifier/the notification system? (kde 4.5.1) |
| 21:22.52 | Freddy2 | i mean, i've done this maaany times, but it's the first time (twice) i see this |
| 21:22.55 | thiago_home | the notifier popped up while copying? |
| 21:23.01 | Freddy2 | yes |
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| 21:23.10 | Freddy2 | (by itself) |
| 21:23.12 | thiago_home | sounds like the device disconnected and reconnected |
| 21:23.15 | thiago_home | hardware issue |
| 21:24.05 | Freddy2 | hmm what about a software umount? is that reasonable? |
| 21:24.19 | thiago_home | that doesn't cause a new device notification |
| 21:25.03 | Freddy2 | then i'll have to check the disk.. maybe it's starting to die xD |
| 21:25.04 | Freddy2 | thx |
| 21:25.19 | thiago_home | it can be the power cord or the USB cord |
| 21:26.00 | Freddy2 | it's 2.5", single cord, but.. it's possible, yes |
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| 21:27.26 | Freddy2 | which reminds me to a request i've just posted in brainstorm (has to be approved) related to "continue" a copy in dolphin.. i prefer this way rather than having to overwrite a 12 GB file when the first copy had already 10 GB |
| 21:27.44 | thiago_home | I thought it could already continue |
| 21:28.04 | thiago_home | but come to think of it, I have never seen it continue |
| 21:28.27 | Freddy2 | i don't remember this option in the ask dialog |
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| 21:45.04 | markg85 | Hi there |
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| 21:46.32 | markg85 | could someone help me getting my sound working in KDE? I have working sound if i do "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" so my soundcard is fine and sound itself is working as well.. Yet kde keeps throwing messages at me that it's falling back to "default".. |
| 21:46.45 | markg85 | kde version 4.5.1 |
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| 21:47.07 | daum_ | hey guys - question my kate doesnt' seem to be picking up my ssh key anymore, any ideas why this might happen? |
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| 22:12.15 | jadrian | can you use Okular to save specific pages of a pdf? |
| 22:12.46 | jadrian | ah nevermind |
| 22:12.49 | jadrian | print to pdf is there |
| 22:16.51 | jadrian | print to pdf messes up links :S |
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| 22:26.50 | gabriel9 | i had some real problems with kde 4.5 and 4.5.1 with flickering of the screen. But with direct rendering set to OFF all is nice. But i am interested in new Blur effect which i could not tested because every time i turn it ON my screen is corrupted. Can blur effect work without direct rendering? |
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| 22:29.58 | plagman | Hi |
| 22:30.07 | plagman | How would I get a single kde app directly from git? |
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| 22:30.22 | Sho_ | plagman: which app? |
| 22:30.25 | plagman | krdc |
| 22:30.27 | TheOne | hi me again ;) |
| 22:31.08 | Sho_ | plagman: krdc is in SVN, not git, and it's part of a KDE module, i.e. the buildsystem isn't engineered to build it standalone (but it's relatively easy to change that if you have cmake experience) |
| 22:31.18 | plagman | I don't :/ |
| 22:31.20 | TheOne | i search a setting in kde4 that i know from kde3 |
| 22:31.49 | TheOne | i want to double click the left corner of a window and it should close then |
| 22:31.50 | plagman | the version packaged in my distro is buggy as hell, I just want to upgrade to the latest (and possibly greatest) version |
| 22:32.13 | plagman | can I maybe get a binary directly from somewhere?? |
| 22:32.14 | plagman | -? |
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| 22:33.15 | kusanagi__ | how can i clone this repository http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/icecream/ |
| 22:33.21 | kusanagi__ | anybody knows? |
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| 22:35.51 | thiago_home | yes |
| 22:36.42 | TheOne | can somebody explain where i can find that in kde4 settings? |
| 22:37.46 | thiago_home | TheOne: that's a style setting |
| 22:38.11 | thiago_home | in system settings, edit the window decoration style and see if it provides that option |
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| 22:46.27 | TheOne | thiago_home: are you sure it is a style setting, in window settings i can edit the behaviour of a window for different actions e.g. double click on window title maximizes the window |
| 22:47.01 | TheOne | i though there i could find it, but it is not there :( |
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| 23:17.09 | TheOne | thiago_home: it's a feature not a bug ;) you need a triple click instead of a double click to close https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157184 |
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| 23:18.18 | TheOne | ok triple click works and i think i can life with that even if it is a funny thing ^^ |
| 23:18.21 | TheOne | bye |
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| 23:43.38 | Surviv0r | the sittings weren't tempred with ... and it just don't work anymore ... i don't even have the layout switch icon in system tray |
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| 23:58.34 | Surviv0r | anybody ? |