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| 03:03.06 | Arabus | hey, I just noticed that when using Kile in Lucid with gnome and creating a new latex document with the scrlttr2 template this seems to be outdated. Appears the underlying KOMA-Script package no longer uses macros like \address{} anymore - is there a fix or do I have to create my own KOMA templates ? |
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| 03:10.42 | oneforall | hmm, tabs in konq file mode still don't drag drop right in 4.5.1 |
| 03:11.16 | oneforall | still sliggish too with 6 tabs open |
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| 03:13.17 | xande | hey |
| 03:14.24 | xande | anyone knows why the networkmanager icon doesnt appear anymore in fedora 13? |
| 03:14.55 | xande | it was substituted by a "kde control module" |
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| 03:50.27 | oneforall | darn whats the best way to look up in the bugs page for the tabs drag drop not working proper? drag and it changes one of the tabs tot eh right or left to that tab |
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| 04:33.24 | oneforall | whoops konqueror file mode , think it does it in browser mode too |
| 04:34.51 | oneforall | I'd say its because there is no space between the tabs sio it just changes the one the mouse is over more |
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| 04:35.14 | oneforall | althou I can see a space |
| 04:35.56 | oneforall | ah the space there looks liek its just for the pretty blue highlight. |
| 04:36.54 | oneforall | hmm trying todrag one to the far right open sopaces isn't work now . |
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| 04:38.00 | oneforall | lol if I hold it for a bit then release it just opens ablank one |
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| 05:00.51 | oneforall | hmm, konsole works fine drag drop to move the tabs and it looks like it has the same anoutn od space |
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| 05:29.13 | oneforall | hmm, bug page doesn't have in KDE Version: 4.5.1 yet |
| 05:30.03 | oneforall | ah doesn't really matter is was a problem in quite a few version of kde anyway |
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| 05:35.36 | novacall | Hey guys, how does KDE 4 on win7 work out? |
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| 05:38.47 | oneforall | um, konq-plugin where do i report the bug for that ? |
| 05:41.03 | oneforall | konqueror >Component: New plugin wishes I see but its really not a new wish but a bug |
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| 05:49.30 | siri1 | Hi..Is Adam Rakowsk(khangman developer) around here? |
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| 06:05.47 | oneforall | weird I see Version: 4.5.1 (using KDE 4.5.0) . |
| 06:08.27 | oneforall | hmm whats the email to put in a bug about the bug page ? |
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| 06:50.05 | oneforall | hmm seems when I close the popup its ok. but if I leave it to close on its own then I get the crash. better than it was |
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| 07:29.04 | philverb | Hi. |
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| 07:29.30 | philverb | I want to use a KDE Live CD to install in text mode, because my friend's machine has less than the required amount of RAM. |
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| 07:29.59 | philverb | Does anyone have a one-liner for the Grub profile? |
| 07:30.01 | MaikB | Hello guys |
| 07:30.36 | philverb | I just want to invoke anaconda in text mode, but the KDE-Live CD is all that I have. |
| 07:30.40 | MaikB | I just struggled with installing a wallpaper package ( metadata.desktop and content ) |
| 07:31.41 | lunitik | philverb: nothing to do with KDE, ask your distro channel |
| 07:32.05 | MaikB | Google didn't help, I instead had to look at the file structure of the wallpapers that come with kde itself and guess from that where to place the files in ~/.kde4 |
| 07:32.48 | MaikB | I wonder of there is a better way to install them instead of tar x(z|j)f package... at the right location |
| 07:32.50 | MaikB | ?? |
| 07:32.57 | lunitik | MaikB: You can point at any image file wherever on your file system to use as desktop wallpaper... |
| 07:33.11 | MaikB | lunitik: I know |
| 07:33.19 | MaikB | but thats not the point |
| 07:33.34 | lunitik | MaikB: Then what is your question? You're making things more difficult than they need to be for no good reason |
| 07:33.46 | MaikB | there are self contained wallpaper packages and I couldn't find a way to install them via google |
| 07:33.47 | MaikB | not good |
| 07:34.11 | pinotree | did you try with `plasmapkg`? |
| 07:34.43 | MaikB | pinotree: I thought about it, but OTOH its not a plasmoid, is it? |
| 07:35.12 | pinotree | $ LANG=C plasmapkg --help |
| 07:35.14 | pinotree | [...] |
| 07:35.18 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.31 | MaikB | hm |
| 07:35.32 | MaikB | ok |
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| 07:36.19 | MaikB | But the fakt that "gg:wallpaper package kde4 install" gives no usable results is concerning |
| 07:36.22 | MaikB | just saying |
| 07:37.26 | oneforall | hmm the mixer pops up a bity off screen and to the bottom right |
| 07:37.53 | pinotree | we are not related to google in any way... |
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| 07:43.44 | MaikB | Users don't care about that fakt |
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| 07:51.32 | MaikB | after investigating a bit I figured that your kind minded plasmapkg --help advice doesn't apply, since though wallpapers come with .desktop files since they are not plasmoids |
| 07:51.43 | MaikB | there are wallpaper plasmoids, true, but this is something different |
| 07:52.13 | oneforall | weird I do right click on the kmix and pick show mixer window and I get the pcm popup witht eh mixer buttom |
| 07:52.31 | oneforall | select master channel works |
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| 07:53.34 | oneforall | so the right click >pick show mixer window is doing the left click but its putting it to 0,0 top left |
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| 08:02.31 | pinotree | MaikB: the point is not "being plasmoid", the point is that plasmapkg installs plasma packages, ie zip with a .desktop file telling their content + the actual content |
| 08:02.44 | pinotree | what did you download? |
| 08:03.02 | MaikB | pinotree: dude, not all .desktop files belong to a plasma package |
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| 08:04.53 | MaikB | pinotree: I sorted it out before I even came here. Just never mind. I just wanted to see if there is a user friendly way to install standard wallpaper packages |
| 08:04.53 | pinotree | MaikB: then what did you download? from your initial description, it sounds like you got a zip file wich you unpacked |
| 08:05.08 | MaikB | it was a tarball |
| 08:05.40 | MaikB | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=108881&vote=good&tan=60566019&PHPSESSID=26cfcd9b640192e37792a6f5e38ec014&PHPSESSID=26cfcd9b640192e37792a6f5e38ec014&PHPSESSID=26cfcd9b640192e37792a6f5e38ec014 |
| 08:05.42 | pinotree | ok, try giving that to plasmapkg |
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| 08:06.02 | MaikB | pinotree: dude, I'm not a noob |
| 08:06.09 | MaikB | Of course I tried this |
| 08:06.13 | MaikB | try yourself |
| 08:06.37 | pinotree | MaikB: no need to be rude at me, i'm just trying to help |
| 08:07.29 | MaikB | I just don't see how RTFM comments without even knowing the details is of any help |
| 08:08.29 | pinotree | you said you didn't see a way to install it, i suggested a solution and showed it could be used that way too, given you discarded it a priori |
| 08:09.29 | MaikB | I knew that it's not a plasmoid and I knew that plasmapkg can't handle it. Then you come along and just give a butt hurt "use --help, stupid" comment. |
| 08:10.07 | pinotree | you didn't tell anything about your previous attempts, and i did not say "stupid" at all |
| 08:10.35 | oneforall | nice the delete is syncing in the tree now in konq |
| 08:11.54 | MaikB | pinotree: I didn't say anything about my previous attempts and didn't mention that I'm not a noob on purpose. I wanted to see if there is a user friendly way to handle these packages in KDE. |
| 08:12.25 | MaikB | pinotree: And I see there is work to be done |
| 08:13.10 | pinotree | that is called "plasmapkg", provided the package is done correctly (and that wallpaper is not packaged as such correctly) |
| 08:14.15 | pinotree | being "noob" or not does not matter at all -- this is an user support channel, so telling more information about the issue when asking for help is better, if you want to be helped |
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| 08:15.10 | MaikB | I rarely need help, but when I see a weakness in KDE I want to figure if you guys are aware of it |
| 08:15.42 | Kame2 | MaikB: hey |
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| 08:15.55 | Kame2 | thats my wallpaper :D |
| 08:16.08 | MaikB | Kame2: cool stuff man |
| 08:16.22 | MaikB | its my new fav and I voted it up xD |
| 08:16.27 | Kame2 | ok, to be right, it is its wallpaper... |
| 08:17.22 | Kame2 | plasmapkg -i -t wallpaper <file> |
| 08:17.27 | Kame2 | that should install it |
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| 08:18.27 | pinotree | you need a couple of changes though (at least for kde 4.4.x, which i use) |
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| 08:18.47 | Kame2 | pinotree: did the pkg-format change? |
| 08:19.12 | MaikB | Kame2: http://pastebin.ca/1932340 |
| 08:19.36 | MaikB | a command line utility is for developers anyways, there has to be something better for users |
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| 08:20.23 | Kame2 | oh, right, it has to be: plasmapkg -t wallpaper -i <file> |
| 08:20.50 | Kame2 | but yea, it should be installable with khns |
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| 08:21.41 | MaikB | Kame2: http://pastebin.ca/1932342 |
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| 08:22.45 | Kame2 | i uploaded this as bz2? damn, plasmapkg can't handle that... it needs gz |
| 08:23.05 | Kame2 | strange that nobody noticed that before. i will change i |
| 08:23.06 | Kame2 | t |
| 08:23.10 | MaikB | Kame2: Did you try it? |
| 08:23.13 | pinotree | looks like it can, though |
| 08:23.18 | r4tune | Why would my "Workspace appearance and behaviour => Task Switcher" options in system settings be completely greyed out and unchangeable? |
| 08:23.24 | MaikB | a good thing to do before you upload something xD |
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| 08:23.43 | Kame2 | MaikB: i tried it in the past, yes. |
| 08:24.14 | Kame2 | but i noticed somwhere later, that it doesn't work anymore with bz2 while trying to install a plasmoid |
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| 08:25.08 | MaikB | Kame2: That not the problem, I repackaged it as zip: http://pastebin.ca/1932347 |
| 08:26.10 | pinotree | open the metadata.desktop, and in X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name key replace the two spaces with eg _ |
| 08:26.26 | pinotree | then repackage it as tar.bz2 |
| 08:26.35 | kdepepo | There is a bug in 4.5.1 that is going to be fixed in 4.5.2 which makes plasmapkg fail to extract the archive. |
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| 08:28.03 | MaikB | Kame2: http://pastebin.ca/1932352 |
| 08:28.05 | Kame2 | pinotree: you are right. same error from kzip but installes |
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| 08:28.41 | MaikB | same error |
| 08:29.20 | MaikB | Kame2: Good you were around. I have to leave now. Please fix the issue |
| 08:29.39 | Kame2 | MaikB: is fixed in this moment |
| 08:29.44 | Kame2 | just uploaded the new package |
| 08:30.14 | Kame2 | to be correct: i am uploading in this moment |
| 08:30.41 | MaikB | Kame2: thank you |
| 08:30.43 | MaikB | and bye |
| 08:30.46 | Kame2 | bye |
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| 08:34.41 | Kame2 | pinotree: thanks for highlighting the problem. does the allowed chars for X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name change? i am sure this worked in the past |
| 08:35.20 | pinotree | i'm not a plasma developer, so i'm not sure about that |
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| 08:37.59 | Kame2 | pinotree: are you sure that this is a plasma thing and not some generic desktop-file parser? |
| 08:38.22 | pinotree | i guess this should apply to the whole kde |
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| 09:48.28 | oneforall | weird it back to not refreshing in the tree when i delete a dir |
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| 10:23.09 | linux | ciao |
| 10:23.47 | linux | :-) |
| 10:24.30 | linux | ciao |
| 10:24.45 | linux | ? |
| 10:25.14 | linux | andatevene a fare in culo |
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| 11:01.29 | lemma | linux: mille grazie! |
| 11:03.04 | pinotree | lemma: ... |
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| 11:05.31 | Sput | Torch: I am using! |
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| 12:37.07 | opensourcecat | web shortcuts are not working in krunner (kde 4.5.1). Is that known or it's just me? (opensuse 11.3) |
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| 12:40.45 | Kame2 | opensourcecat: you mean things like gg: ? this works for me |
| 12:41.36 | opensourcecat | Kame2: yes, gg: and en2[it, es, ecc]: |
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| 12:42.01 | opensourcecat | web shortcuts are enabled in krunner config |
| 12:42.39 | opensourcecat | and they are working from konqueror... |
| 12:42.50 | Kame2 | ah |
| 12:42.52 | Kame2 | sorry |
| 12:42.53 | Kame2 | krunner |
| 12:43.07 | Kame2 | yes, they don't work there |
| 12:43.23 | opensourcecat | ah. Ok. |
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| 12:43.39 | Kame2 | but i didn't know, that they should work from krunner |
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| 12:50.13 | Kame2 | opensourcecat: they work for me... i didn't test it for a while but now they are working |
| 12:51.09 | opensourcecat | Kame2: what distro? |
| 12:51.14 | Kame2 | gentoo |
| 12:51.32 | Kame2 | (and kde 4.5 branche, not 4.5.1 itself) |
| 12:51.56 | Kame2 | but the last update where after 4.5.1 tagging and before release |
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| 13:31.17 | shadyabhi | How do I reset settings for plasmoids size and all stuff related to kde?? When I move any plasmoid from "Adding Panel" to desktop, They are so oversized and I cant even adjust their size. I have faced this problem first time. I am using KDE 4.5.1 |
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| 13:37.03 | James147 | shadyabhi: rename ~/.kde (or ~/.kde4 depending on your distro) to reset ALL of kde settings (this is not recomended). Rename/remove ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* to reset plasma (and all widgets)... Also when trying what you discribed I am able to resize the widgets (kde 4.5.1) |
| 13:37.47 | shadyabhi | James147: ok. let me try it now |
| 13:38.12 | James147 | shadyabhi: I would test a new user first if you can |
| 13:38.34 | James147 | its a safer way to see if your problem is config related without losing your settings |
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| 14:23.38 | angel-tsankov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:32.26 | thiago_home | angel-tsankov: $QTDIR/plugins/sqldrivers |
| 14:32.52 | thiago_home | where $QTDIR is kde4-config --qt-prefix |
| 14:35.13 | angel-tsankov | thiago_home: how do I restart akonadi |
| 14:36.19 | angel-tsankov | thiago_home: akonadi still cannot find the driver |
| 14:36.57 | thiago_home | is the driver there? |
| 14:37.33 | angel-tsankov | this file is the driver, I guess: /opt/qt/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| 14:37.45 | thiago_home | that's the driver |
| 14:38.00 | thiago_home | ldd it |
| 14:38.05 | thiago_home | anything 'not found' ? |
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| 14:38.16 | angel-tsankov | every dep is resolved |
| 14:38.19 | angel-tsankov | oops |
| 14:38.22 | angel-tsankov | except for one |
| 14:38.29 | angel-tsankov | libmysqlclient_r.so.15 |
| 14:38.45 | angel-tsankov | hmm |
| 14:38.51 | angel-tsankov | this is part of mysql, I think |
| 14:39.00 | angel-tsankov | yes, it is |
| 14:39.12 | angel-tsankov | this is the client module |
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| 14:41.20 | angel-tsankov | thiago_home: this so is in /usr/lib/mysql/ |
| 14:41.45 | thiago_home | make it resolve |
| 14:41.51 | angel-tsankov | how |
| 14:42.07 | thiago_home | ask your distribution why they put those files there |
| 14:42.10 | thiago_home | and how to make it work |
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| 14:53.46 | ^Willie^ | hi there |
| 14:54.11 | ^Willie^ | my kde 4.3/4.4 setup works fine untill i updated the nvidia video driver.. |
| 14:54.46 | thiago_home | then don't |
| 14:54.48 | ^Willie^ | since then libpixman fails with kde when minimize some window.. or kwin starts 99% cpu load while change active windows |
| 14:55.08 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: old nvidia driver had to be updated for other problems.. |
| 14:55.22 | thiago_home | upgrade to kde 4.5 then |
| 14:55.30 | ^Willie^ | argh it did always work fine |
| 14:55.44 | ^Willie^ | so question is more what is wrong with libpixman and kde ? |
| 14:55.50 | thiago_home | nothing |
| 14:56.00 | ^Willie^ | why do they start bugging afther a few months no problems |
| 14:56.02 | thiago_home | it's nvidia's fault |
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| 14:56.31 | ^Willie^ | and update kde -> reinstall this system.. no time for since other boxes has more priority.. so guess windows + putty will be the fix.. |
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| 14:56.43 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: na nothing wrong with nvidia drivers ati`s drivers report same issues |
| 14:57.25 | thiago_home | after my last update, my system became a bit slow |
| 14:57.29 | thiago_home | to nvidia 256 |
| 14:57.42 | thiago_home | since the driver is closed, it's always the driver that is at fault |
| 14:57.57 | ^Willie^ | thats just blindly guess |
| 14:58.01 | thiago_home | yes |
| 14:58.08 | thiago_home | it's a blind guess because the driver is closed |
| 14:58.11 | thiago_home | we have no clue what it does |
| 14:58.18 | thiago_home | that's why the driver is at fault |
| 14:58.43 | ^Willie^ | when you google libpixman + kde + segfault you get the picture .. i hope |
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| 14:59.07 | thiago_home | I've never had a single crash related to libpixman |
| 14:59.11 | ^Willie^ | i have an ati radeon 3200 and nvidia 6200 in this box |
| 14:59.20 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: then your lucky |
| 14:59.51 | ^Willie^ | kde 3.5 was fun to me but since kde4 is it more like babysitting |
| 15:00.04 | thiago_home | kde 3.5 didn't have almost any GL effects |
| 15:00.13 | thiago_home | so it didn't interact with the NVidia driver almost at all |
| 15:00.16 | ^Willie^ | posible cause i did always run kde on gentoo setup`s dunno.. |
| 15:00.25 | thiago_home | now that we do use GL, we find bugs and slow stuff with it |
| 15:00.31 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: jup just how i like it for an "work" station |
| 15:00.43 | angel-tsankov | thiago_home: where's libmysqlclient_r.so on your system |
| 15:00.46 | thiago_home | use the shell then |
| 15:00.47 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: and compiz was a kind of gl/3d btw |
| 15:00.59 | thiago_home | angel-tsankov: /usr/lib |
| 15:01.19 | angel-tsankov | I built mysql from source, and it put the so in /usr/lib/mysql |
| 15:01.31 | angel-tsankov | and I cannot find a way to tell ti to put it elsewhere |
| 15:01.39 | thiago_home | angel-tsankov: either move it to somewhere where the linker finds it, or tell the linker where to find it |
| 15:01.54 | thiago_home | see /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 15:02.02 | angel-tsankov | thiago_home: I'd better tell mysql to put it in /usr/lib |
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| 15:04.14 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: now you make me think about it i don`t want all the openGL crap anyway just a stable desktop thats why i did leave windows avoid fancy crap.. |
| 15:04.33 | thiago_home | ^Willie^: turn off the desktop effects then |
| 15:04.40 | ^Willie^ | start understanding this problem.. not use kde ... |
| 15:04.48 | ^Willie^ | thiago_home: i did but still same problems |
| 15:04.52 | thiago_home | or use a 5-year-old desktop |
| 15:04.55 | thiago_home | GL is everywhere now |
| 15:05.06 | ^Willie^ | right |
| 15:05.10 | thiago_home | no way around it. The GPU is much faster than the CPU to do graphics operations. |
| 15:05.11 | ^Willie^ | have a nice day |
| 15:05.14 | thiago_home | so the GPU will be used |
| 15:05.19 | thiago_home | if you have bad drivers, not our fault |
| 15:05.40 | ^Willie^ | this is making me not any happyer more like wana say some stupid stuff .. but again have a nice day i`ll part |
| 15:05.46 | thiago_home | and this is nothing to do with eye candy |
| 15:05.52 | thiago_home | this is just about faster graphics |
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| 15:19.21 | heirrook | I am running kde 4.5.1 under Arch linux. I have encountered this issue before but cannot seem to find the solution online now. When I start KDE I have an application (krusader) that many instances launch. I know there is some kind of cache that I can delete but can't seem to find it |
| 15:20.02 | heirrook | it seems everytime i stop kde and start again, one more instance is launched |
| 15:20.23 | heirrook | now i have about 15 krusader instances launched when I login |
| 15:20.28 | pinotree | it's a krusader bug, which does not properly exits when the last window is closed |
| 15:20.55 | pinotree | ctrl+esc, filter by "krusader" and kill them |
| 15:22.05 | heirrook | i do have multiple instances running but when I reboot and start kde there are still many. Would this not be the same then? |
| 15:22.47 | pinotree | the default kde session setting is to save on logout the currently running application and restore them on login |
| 15:23.01 | heirrook | good point. thanks pinotree! |
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| 15:38.56 | szal | pinotree: haven't encountered that bug yet, does it only apply to some setups or something? |
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| 16:18.26 | Techtronic | hello, howto clean kde-qt.git build ? make clean: "make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop" |
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| 16:21.07 | hagabaka | does the "blur" desktop effect only affect things under translucent shadows, not things under translucent windows? |
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| 16:28.10 | James147 | hagabaka: its affecting things under my panel here :) although not for the transparency applied by kwin :S |
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| 16:31.47 | vladimiroff | Strange...I'm stoping the Shadow effect, but I still have a shadow under the windows.... |
| 16:31.52 | vladimiroff | is this a known bug? |
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| 16:32.09 | vladimiroff | I've tried even to change its color when it's enabled, but still...nothing changed |
| 16:32.21 | James147 | vladimiroff: oxygen probally still has shadows enabled |
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| 16:33.04 | vladimiroff | James147: is there any chance to change that? The color of shadow is the one that I want to change... |
| 16:33.12 | vladimiroff | this dedault blue shadow is annoying for me |
| 16:33.28 | James147 | vladimiroff: on kde4.5 System settings > Workspace Appearence > Window Decoration > Configure Decoration > ... |
| 16:33.41 | James147 | vladimiroff: thats the glow not shadow :) |
| 16:33.51 | vladimiroff | ooh...I see.... |
| 16:33.53 | vladimiroff | James147: thanks |
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| 16:37.49 | hagabaka | James147: yeah same for me |
| 16:38.53 | hagabaka | but I used to not even be able to turn it on, so it's an improvement for me |
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| 16:50.09 | tomsdale | I wonder whether activities could help me with a very annoying problem. To have 2 Desktop configurations, one for a dual monitor where my taskbar is on the external monitor and one for 'on the road' where my taskbar is on the native monitor. |
| 16:51.00 | tomsdale | Currently if I unplug my external monitor I loose my taskbar because it's in the external monitor. |
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| 16:54.21 | James147 | tomsdale: panels are not linked with activities... so it wouldnt work :( |
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| 16:57.18 | James147 | tomsdale: although, asfar as I know plasma (and its widgets) are scriptable, so you should beable to create a script to move it |
| 16:58.37 | sreich | although I doubt they're exposed at this point |
| 16:58.37 | tomsdale | hmm .. that means a panel is not a 'normal' plasmoid? TBH I'm a little lost with activities. I never configured them but already if I press Super+q I already have 6 activities and no idea where they came from. |
| 16:58.41 | sreich | the activities, taht is |
| 16:59.05 | James147 | sreich: they wouldnt need to be, he wants to move the panel |
| 16:59.11 | sreich | ah ok |
| 16:59.22 | tomsdale | That's interesting. Currently I have to move my xorg.conf file if I forgot to move the taskbar before unpluggin my external monitor :-) |
| 17:00.04 | tomsdale | is it called plasma scripting? Is that done in qt? |
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| 17:00.34 | James147 | tomsdale: activities are like virtual desktops for widgets... although the panel is shaired over them... |
| 17:01.42 | James147 | tomsdale: not entirly sure, just heard it mentioned brefly :) but my guess would by qt sctript (similar to javascript) |
| 17:01.52 | MinceR | you could use a small panel and put activity-dependent plasmoids on the part of the desktop it keeps from being obscured by windows |
| 17:01.58 | tomsdale | I think I understand. I mean the core of the problem is not even KDE - it's X's inability to recognnize my monitor correctly when plugged in via VGA. This is why I have to feed it manually an EDID. |
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| 17:02.51 | sreich | either that or it's the monitors fault |
| 17:03.09 | sreich | (for not broadcasting the EDID) |
| 17:03.10 | James147 | MinceR: from what I understand he dosnt want to change activities, but want to move his panel (and was curious to if avtivities could achive this, which they cannot) |
| 17:03.21 | MinceR | ic |
| 17:03.24 | sreich | although I thought that even if that -didn't- happen, it could still figure it out...hm.. |
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| 17:04.50 | tomsdale | sreich: might be the monitor too - windows didn't recognize it either. |
| 17:05.09 | sreich | yeah, likely is then |
| 17:05.29 | tomsdale | sreich: max resolution is 1024 in nvidia-config - and the monitor is 2048x10something |
| 17:05.36 | sreich | that's why monitors often include a drivers disk, because the monitor is too stupid to say "hey, this is my model, this is my best resolution, hertz, etc." |
| 17:05.51 | sreich | it's really the most retarded design I've heard of |
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| 17:05.55 | sreich | or one of the most, at least. |
| 17:06.19 | sreich | "oh, we didn't design it properly in the first place...so lets just give them a cd so they have something else to install" |
| 17:06.25 | tomsdale | I was able to get the EDID on the white connector - not the VGA one. But my laptop only have VGA. |
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| 17:07.07 | MinceR | the white connector is called DVI :> |
| 17:07.33 | tomsdale | thx MinceR - it escaped me just there :-) |
| 17:08.20 | tomsdale | I think I found a cheap workaround - plasmid called window list on the main display in it's own activity. |
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| 17:09.12 | James147 | sreich: but windows has a cd for everything :D |
| 17:09.20 | sreich | yeah.. |
| 17:09.31 | sreich | that's on my list of crappy designs ;) |
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| 17:09.51 | James147 | sreich: yup :) |
| 17:09.56 | tomsdale | And i'll look a bit into plasma scripting - it sounds interesting - so at this point thx for pointers I already can persue further. |
| 17:10.46 | tomsdale | I read the EDID standard is broken on many monitors. But this one is relatively new Samsung SyncMaster 2343 so I'm surprised. |
| 17:11.00 | sreich | yes, it is indeed broken.. |
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| 17:14.14 | tomsdale | hm - ev en if I move the task panel I bump in another problem. I must have the worst possible panelconfig one can have in KDE :-) |
| 17:14.28 | MinceR | ime samsung displays suck |
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| 17:15.20 | tomsdale | My taskpanel is on the top of the window of the external display. The external display is 'above' the laptop. If I move the panel to the top of the laptop display maximized windows now go below the taskpanel. |
| 17:16.10 | tomsdale | MinceR: for the price of 150CAD for a 24inch 2048 display I was first quite happy - until I had the EDID problems on VGA. |
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| 17:16.35 | MinceR | ic |
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| 17:18.18 | James147 | tomsdale: not entirly sure what you mean by that... maximised windows go below the panel on the second screen and the first, or just the first (the first ebign the laptops) |
| 17:19.22 | tomsdale | James147: just the first (laptop). Second (external) is fine because it's on top. |
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| 17:20.19 | tomsdale | I think I know why that is. In Size & Orientation KDE recognized one huge screen of 2048&2052 as a virtual called default. |
| 17:20.44 | James147 | tomsdale: by "on top" you mean the default "Always Visable" mode? (rather then the "Windows go XXXX" mode) What happens if you try changing this mode? |
| 17:20.57 | tomsdale | so a panel somewhere in this area wouldn't be recognized as at the border of something |
| 17:21.19 | tomsdale | correct - always visible. |
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| 17:23.11 | James147 | tomsdale: hmm, didnt think that would make a difference... on my desktop the panels go to the bottem of the screen (not the desktop... damed twinview) (ie it knows about the bottem of the screen on a dual head setup at least on kde 4.5, what version are you on?) |
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| 17:24.12 | tomsdale | the rest doesn't change a lot, generally it always behaves as if 'windows can go below' were selected. |
| 17:24.24 | tomsdale | I'm on 4.5.1 |
| 17:25.06 | tomsdale | James147: I think that's the problem - because my taskbar is not to any 'bottom' but between 2 displays which KDE recognizes as just one huge display. |
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| 17:26.40 | James147 | tomsdale: I have a similar setup on my desktop, (twinviwed screens at differnet resalutions... so appear as one) but I can drag a panel from one to the other without ...much... problem :) |
| 17:26.41 | tomsdale | the same actually happens if the taskbar is at the bottom of the external display - again it's not any bottom for KDE so windows per default go below. |
| 17:27.15 | tomsdale | James147: is this a left/right or top/bottom config? |
| 17:27.25 | James147 | tomsdale: left/right |
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| 17:29.09 | tomsdale | what happens if you move your taskbar to the right side of the left display and select 'Always on top'. My guess is that windows will still go below your taskbar in full screen. |
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| 17:29.50 | James147 | ... I see what you mean... tomsdale, chaning it to top/bottem (and the utterconfusing the follows) it appears to behave as you said :S |
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| 17:31.20 | James147 | yeah, appears to be a bug... In "Always Visable" windows go below the panel on the top screen in that setup |
| 17:31.21 | tomsdale | with a left/right confit this seems to be a strange setup but with a top/bottom it's actually something you would very likely end up using. |
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| 17:32.44 | tomsdale | I still have an hour - let's see whether I can make a nice bug report. I don't think it's easily fixable though - KDE seems recognizes a virtual desktop as on big desktop - thus there ARE no edges between displays |
| 17:33.09 | James147 | tomsdale: afraid I dont know what you can do about that (apart from using a left/right config...), you should file a bugreport about this |
| 17:33.59 | James147 | tomsdale: although kde is also capable of configueing multiple monitoers within a "single desktop dual scrren" config |
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| 17:34.57 | James147 | (System settings > display & monitor > multiple monitors is dsigned for this setup) |
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| 17:35.49 | tomsdale | I have everything checked in this dialoge |
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| 17:38.28 | James147 | tomsdale: my point being kde is designed for that setup, so it should (hopefully) not be taht dificult to fix :) |
| 17:40.03 | qdb | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-search-in-files-text-that-is-one-byte-encoding-enc-thats-not-unicode-830104/ |
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| 17:42.21 | tomsdale | James147: I quickly tried most of the multiple monitor options configurations - none seems to change anything in terms of windows going under the taskbar. I think the root of the this is that KDE assumes one huge virtual display with multiple monitors. |
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| 17:43.05 | tomsdale | It just takes the biggest display and makes a rectangular shape including the smaller dispay. |
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| 17:44.44 | James147 | tomsdale: my point being kde is designed for that setup, so it should (hopefully) not be taht dificult to fix :)my setup is the same, kde should be able to handel this just fine, the problem is related to when you use top/bottem config ... I think kde gets alittle confused, (it works as it should for left/right) i suggest a bug report :) |
| 17:45.47 | tomsdale | kk I'm on it - Did you try the setup with your taskpanel to the right of your left screen? Do windows go below there as well? |
| 17:46.34 | raininja | James147: btw the program in question is kwin |
| 17:46.47 | raininja | James147: i will try to replicate it |
| 17:47.37 | raininja | i am nto exactly sure what you are saying is happening tbh |
| 17:47.37 | tomsdale | thx @all - quick lunch for me and I will file a bug reports |
| 17:48.08 | raininja | James147: ? |
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| 17:50.19 | xzhayon | hello! is it correct that trying to open a file on the network (e.g. in fish://something) with `dragon %u` (the default) keeps loading and then fails, while removing the %u (just `dragon`) makes it work? |
| 17:50.26 | James147 | raininja: (originaly tomsdale problem but I can replicate it as well) When using a dual screen configuration that innvolves X using one large desktop (such as with nvidias twinview) with one desktop above the other (not side to side, that behaves as expected) the windows on the upper screen go below the panel (when its set as "Always visable" so they should stay above (when maximised that is)) |
| 17:50.48 | raininja | ok i try it |
| 17:51.03 | James147 | as though the the panel is set to "windows can go below" |
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| 17:51.30 | cybersurf | hi |
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| 17:54.08 | eneko | hi, i've got a problem. in kde 4.4.5, akregator crashes everytime i try to launch. What could be the problem? |
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| 17:55.17 | tomsdale | James147: raininja the left/right issue seems to have a bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167852 |
| 17:56.32 | James147 | tomsdale: o yeah... i remember doing that (a while ago).... so its not the orientation but the position of the panel with respect to the orientation |
| 17:57.03 | James147 | (ie a panel on the border of two screens has the problem) |
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| 17:57.35 | James147 | confirms it on left/right orientation |
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| 17:58.21 | raininja | looks ok here |
| 17:58.31 | raininja | Sysinfo for 'silmaril': Linux 2.6.35.3-5m.mo7.i686.PAE running KDE Development Platform 4.5.0-2m.mo7.Cruithne Momonga Linux (KDE 4.5.0), CPU: Intel(R) Atom CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz at 1999 MHz (3999 bogomips), HD: 69/356GB, RAM: 3007/3274MB, 205 proc's, 1.2d up |
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| 17:59.28 | tomsdale | Bugreport is from June 2008 - raininja what is your setup dual monitor left/right? |
| 17:59.55 | raininja | Graphics: Card nVidia ION VGA X.Org 1.8.2 Res: 2560x1024@50.0hz |
| 17:59.56 | raininja | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.14 | raininja | yep |
| 18:00.27 | raininja | but i chagned it to top/bottom and tested |
| 18:00.33 | raininja | changed* |
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| 18:01.49 | raininja | are you guys running the Rc? |
| 18:02.02 | tomsdale | raininja: I have pretty much the same config and drivers but KDE 4.5.1 |
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| 18:11.43 | raininja | so you are running the RC |
| 18:12.28 | tomsdale | sry -- might have missed a message or two - I confirmed the left/right and my panel got corrupted. |
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| 18:13.05 | tomsdale | so I had to restart kdm. |
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| 18:14.50 | orzel | hello. I'd like to connect to my bluetooth phone, but i can only find http://userbase.kde.org/Kbluetooth .... I have all of this installed and it even seems that my phone is found.. but i don't understand how i can browse and/or exchange files with my phone. I've tried all menu entries from the systray... ? |
| 18:15.17 | tomsdale | I'm running KDE 4.5.1 official + X.org 1.8.2 RC2 + nvidia 256.44 |
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| 18:25.27 | James147 | raininja: are you runnign with twinview? or seperate screens? |
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| 18:44.57 | tomsdale | James147: raininja this is how bad it looks on my top/bottom configration - I created a comment with a screenshot on the existing bug report 167852 |
| 18:45.02 | tomsdale | http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=51319 |
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| 18:51.20 | KOPRajs | hi, I'm running on older system with KDE 3.5, my kicker has crashed and when I launched it again many of my systray icons are in small windows instead of in systray... is there any way I can redock them in systray without having to close all these apps and launch them again? |
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| 18:52.13 | KOPRajs | I mena using some DCOP function or such |
| 18:52.16 | KOPRajs | *mean |
| 18:52.30 | thiago_home | KOPRajs: restart those apps |
| 18:53.09 | KOPRajs | well I really would like to avoid restarting some of them |
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| 18:53.31 | KOPRajs | anyone knows how exactly does this work? |
| 18:53.46 | thiago_home | KOPRajs: yes, some people know |
| 18:53.55 | KOPRajs | I mean how does the kicker know which windows should be docked in systray? |
| 18:53.57 | thiago_home | KOPRajs: but the point is that those applications use the old, broken systray protocol |
| 18:54.08 | thiago_home | some information was lost during the crash |
| 18:54.10 | thiago_home | restart the apps |
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| 18:55.02 | KOPRajs | no way to restore that lost information? |
| 18:55.25 | thiago_home | not easily |
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| 18:55.35 | KOPRajs | is it some flag the window should have or such? |
| 18:55.40 | thiago_home | you can attach a debugger to those apps and call some functions |
| 18:55.49 | thiago_home | I'm not sure |
| 18:56.01 | thiago_home | the old protocol is broken, that's why it's getting replaced |
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| 18:57.34 | KOPRajs | well sometimes during the start I can see apps first creating this small window and then the window disappear and icon appears in systray so I thought I will do it manually |
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| 18:58.12 | KOPRajs | probably it is the app itself who has to call some function to get the window docked, right? |
| 18:59.26 | thiago_home | yes |
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| 19:00.59 | ompaul | anyone know if this is reported, K3B DAO selected SAO reported, while this is fine as an operation if the user understands, version 2.0.1-1 on debian SID using KDE 4.4.5 |
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| 19:02.51 | thiago_home | ompaul: please rephrase |
| 19:04.01 | KOPRajs | thiago_home: according to this http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/components-docking.html I need the application to call XMapWindow() |
| 19:04.13 | KOPRajs | any way I can do that? |
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| 19:04.17 | ompaul | is anyone aware if this is in the bug tracker: while using K3B I selected: DAO however SAO was reported by the program (while this is fine as an operation if the user understands what is happening) using version 2.0.1-1 on debian SID using KDE 4.4.5 |
| 19:04.33 | ompaul | thiago_home: ^^ sorry about that |
| 19:04.34 | thiago_home | KOPRajs: attach the debugger to the application |
| 19:04.40 | thiago_home | KOPRajs: you can call functions from there |
| 19:04.51 | thiago_home | KOPRajs: be careful with what you do, you may cause the application to crash instead |
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| 19:05.12 | KOPRajs | thiago_home: thx |
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| 20:28.31 | ulli | hello |
| 20:29.22 | ulli | i´ve a question about the kde menu-editor....I can´t find a "find" function in it. is there a short-cut ? |
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| 20:30.22 | ulli | help |
| 20:30.26 | ulli | !help |
| 20:30.54 | pinotree | !no-!-bot-here-just-be-patient |
| 20:31.11 | aseigo | ulli: there is no find function in that application, no... sorry :) patches welcome, of course |
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| 20:32.27 | ulli | i´m wondering that no one missed the search-function. because of a lot of trees its a little difficult to find the applications.... |
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| 21:59.20 | bulldog98 | hi does anybody has knowledge about compose? |
| 21:59.54 | bulldog98 | I tried to use it and it works for non-Qt apps but I donât know whatâs wrong |
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| 22:19.10 | bulldog98 | found out whatâs wrong by myself |
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