IRC log for #kde on 20100826

00:00.20diegoviolai know i can set mplayer to play in the root window, but i still want my plasmoids, etc
00:00.41James147diegoviola: yes: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=112105
00:01.15sreichUnderSampled: ask in #ubuntu / #kubuntu
00:01.22sreichit's their issue, not ours
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00:03.21diegoviolaJames147: this solution uses xwinwrap?
00:03.42James147dosnt know what that is
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01:04.59sc-very noob question: if i removed the border from a window, how do i get it back, i can't figure out the hot key for that menu, right clicking on the icon in the task bar doesn't show the border control in advanced like i thought it would? :)
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01:05.44James147sc-: alt+f3 will get you the menu you need
01:05.52sc-excellent, thanks
01:05.56johnny69Good evening folks,Got a quick one fore you here and hopefully an easy one.  I need to make akonadi start under a different account,  other than the one that is currently running,  In this instance,  I need it to start under the account,  "prison_guard" for example.   I'm thinking this change could easily be done from the console.  Anyone know ?   (Kde 4.5/Suse 11.2)   Thank you.
01:06.06sc-life saver ;)
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01:30.49UnderSampledjohnyb: you might be able to use sudo for that
01:31.12UnderSampledsudo actually stands for SwitchUserDo, not SuperUserDo
01:32.05UnderSampledsudo -you username
01:32.10UnderSampledkha
01:32.21UnderSampledsudo -u username
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01:41.25KageI have a .ovpn config file for connecting to a OpenVPN server... how do I give KNetworkManager the info in this file so it works?
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01:47.40srk9Hi. Under Windows XP, if you have multiple windows open and an inactive window registers some kind of event (e.g. a new instant message arrived), the task manager on the task bar would under go an animation that indicated that something had happened. I am running KDE 4.4.5 on Gentoo Linux. Is there any way to configure it to do the same thing that Windows XP does?
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01:58.26dequiresrk9: usually the application will use the system notifier to alert you. that's the "i" with the circle around it.
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01:58.45dequiresrk9: you can click on it to see all events that you might have missed, too
02:00.05srk9dequire: What if you are dealing with an instant messenger that is in the background? I doubt it will send an event notification every time it receives a new message and I would hope that it would not. All I want is some kind of a hint that something has happened.
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02:01.23dequireit will, yes, but you can adjust what notifications you get and which go quietly
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02:02.28oneforallhmm, konq(file mode) 4.5.0 still delete a folder from the tree or the right pane and its not getting refreshed in the tree
02:03.17dequiresrk9: for example, I use kopete. if you go into the kopete system settings you can adjust notifications, even customized for an individual contact of you wish :)
02:05.33srk9dequire: I am using irssi at the moment inside Konsole. I will try out kopete to see if it has that kind of feature. So far, I have not seen it in anything yet and I have been using KDE for close to a year now. I even switched from Windows to Linux and use KDE all the time now.
02:08.01dequiresrk9: I tweaked kopete to only notify KNotify when certain ppl ping me. So I know it works. Let me know if you get it set right.
02:08.20dequiresrk9: How do you like KDE overall? and which distro are you running?
02:08.54srk9dequire: I am using Gentoo Linux and I am fairly happy with it. There are a few things that I dislike, but they are mostly X11 issues.
02:10.47dequireI'm here in the eastern US, made the switch from Windows 2 years ago. Sadly, for work, I need to use XP during the day
02:10.48srk9dequire: For example, if I have something playing audio in the background and I switch users, I can still hear it playing. I also find if I run JOGL applications with compositing enabled, the entire XWindowing system lags to the point of freezing if I do not disable compositing. Switching from OpenGL to XRender in KDE's system settings helps, but the lag does not go away.
02:11.08dequirefor some crappy Citrix session that was written a long time ago and only works on IE :/
02:11.24srk9dequire: You can install IE in WINE.
02:11.37srk9dequire: In the worst case, you can virtualize it.
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02:12.05dequiresrk9: yes and it works well, just not the Citrix session part. all I get is a white screen forever.
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02:12.21srk9dequire: Even in a virtual machine?
02:12.46dequirehaven't tried a VM with it yet. i might do that tomorrow, actually.
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02:13.25srk9dequire: I really do not like virtual machines very much. Their performance leaves something to be desired, but for something like IE, they should be fine.
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02:16.05dequiresrk9: IE runs awesome in PlayOnLinux. Just wish the Citrix session did. Or better, wish these big companies would update their crappy software from the '90's
02:18.01dev001I have an AudioCD containing 3 content-identical tracks, in .ogg, .wav & .mp3 formats.  In Dolphin, I can see the audiocd://'s contents, and can copy the .ogg & .wav files to my KDE Desktop without problem.
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02:18.40dev001Iiuc, an issue with kio_*.  Any guidance on where to start looking/digging in more depth?
02:19.42dev001dequire: just saw Citrix & PlayOnLinux in the same breath -- I fought with that for ages, and lost.  Finally had to resort to Windows in VirtualBox.  Not ideal, but ... works.
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02:20.56dequiredev001: Yepp. That's where I'm at. Stuck having to use IE for work. In 2010, no doubt. Lame >.>
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02:24.36dev001dequire: bet Citrix, WebEx & bad .aspx, drives me nuts
02:27.12srk9There is an issue with KDE that another Gentoo Linux user discovered earlier this month involving the Window Minimization Animation. I am wondering if anyone can make heads or tails of what would need to be done in the source to fix it: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6401560.html#6401560
02:29.18srk9If I recall correctly, a MinimizeAnimationEffect() object is constructed and it handles the animation. How it determines the progress of the animation is a mystery to me, but all Ineed to know is the original window dimensions at the start of the animation and then I could modify the code myself to fix ths issue.
02:34.45dequiredev001: I'm with ya there
02:37.38dev001dequire: to be fair, the "latest versions" of Citrix, WebEx, etc are a lot more non-IE friendly, i.e. play nice with Firefox etc.  But seemingly none of the online conference providers have anything remotely new, and are not interested in spending time/$$ to upgrade.  trying to explain that "if i can't use the (%*& thing, i'm not gonna pay you" doesn't seem to have much of an effect.  sigh.
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02:42.30aseigodev001: webex?
02:42.46aseigodev001: it works here ... well, mostly anyways :)
02:42.56aseigofind those things massively annoying in general though
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02:46.23dequiredev001: well I'm going to call this company tomorrow and tell them it's un-acceptable. it's the least I can do for my part...
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02:53.28dev001aseigo: Sure, it works.  If the right versions are istalled server-side.  That's not always the case.
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03:04.27cjaeusing kde 4.5 bluez keeps asking me for my pairing pin
03:05.07cjaesorry its kbluetooth
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03:09.20cjaeI have a mx5500 kb and mouse combo and everytime I try to pair them the dialog pops up asking for the passkey again
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04:33.06whoeveranyone here use wxsmith ? i have a queston and can't sem to get an answer anywhere mse \
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04:41.54gasullHi. I'm trying to install K-EncFS http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=54078 in Ubuntu 10.04, but when I try to install python-kd3 aptitude warns it will uninstall about half of the installed packages. How can I install a KDE3 app without breaking my system? Thank you.
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04:44.48gasullI guess this should have been asked before, but I can't find it.
04:46.57gasullDo I need a chroot?
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07:04.47mikeplus64In 4.5.0 is there a way to disable that overlay in the bottom right-hand corner with the + and - to add/remove virtual desktops?
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07:12.47xdan779mikeplus64: that may be an added widget of your distrobution, you may be able to remove it by selecting the panel toolbox and then right clicking on it to remove it
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07:17.28mikeplus64Err, I didn't explain well enough: I mean is there a way to disable the overlay in the bottom right-hand corner with the + and - to add/remove virtual desktops when switching between desktops in the desktop grid ( by default ctrl+f8 afaik )?
07:18.35cb400fcheck the settings for the desktop grid effect.. if there's no setting there, then there's prolly no way
07:18.37cb400fis on his 4.4 machine right now
07:19.06mikeplus64There's no setting there :[
07:20.23xdan779mikeplus64: oh you got me there, I have never used that option to switch between desktops, but I see what you mean
07:21.05thiago_homehad never used Ctrl+F8, but now sees the +- that mikeplus64 is referring to
07:21.33mikeplus64It was an added 'feature' in 4.5
07:21.59thiago_homeyeah, I see it
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08:23.26shadzikusing Solid::StorageAccess, how can i test if a device was unmounted successfully with the teardown() method?
08:23.54cb400fprolly better ask in #solid or #kde-devel
08:24.05shadziki mean, even if it is already umounted or can't be umount because it's busy, the method doesn't return false
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08:24.23shadzikcb400f, oh, my bad, sure, thanks for the advice
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08:30.40RichiHszal: yes, i did
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08:32.53xdan779shadzik: if an item can't be unmounted because it is busy try issueing the command lsof /dev/*device* to see what is holding onto control of it
08:34.02xdan779killall -15 *name of program*  should free up the device to properly unmount it
08:34.10shadzikxdan779, but that doesn't matter, i just want to know in my app if a partition was umounted successfully :) but i'm afraid the StorageAccess class, works only on optical drives
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08:34.55shadzikxdan779, it's not a OS problem, it's a programming problem that i have :)
08:35.06xdan779shadzik: ahh well at the very least it should tell you if your app still has control of the device
08:35.19shadzikxdan779, as cb400f indicated, i reached the wrong channel .)
08:35.56xdan779shadzik: understood :-
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09:32.18iliar-kubuntu100how do i make kate autocomplete from c standard library? can I make it automatically look into the headers I'm including to search for autocompletion like the VC IDE does?
09:33.00pinotreekate is not a full IDE, it cannot do that; you need a IDE for that, be it kdevelop, eclipse, etc
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09:38.16iliar-kubuntu100thank you
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11:45.53Ox032Fhi, is it possible to group several windows in a way, that they are always raised together? (my example: pidgin buddy list and chat window)
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12:04.16troyOx032F: which version of KDE?
12:04.48Ox032FI think 4.4.something
12:05.15troyOx032F: oh, you're not looking for tabbing, but want a 'treat these windows as a single window' kind of thing
12:05.27Ox032Fyes
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12:10.12troyOx032F: I thought there was a way to do this in kwin, since it would make sense for other multi-window apps (like the Gimp), but I can't find it, sorry
12:10.37Ox032Fok, np
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13:00.46nettezzaumanahi there
13:00.52nettezzaumanapff. does anyone know a trick which enables a hal policies for KDE in Xvnc ?? if i run Xvnc the sound as well as mounting devices from within kde by using kde-tools stops processing
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13:50.04JigSaw-2Hello
13:51.01JigSaw-2I am using konqueror-3.5.9 on gnome. When I go for Settings -> Configure Konqueror, I see an empty page rather than few settings
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13:51.09JigSaw-2What I am missing ?
13:51.17JigSaw-2or how do I troubleshoot it ?
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13:53.31akssps011KDE is better on OpenSuse or Kubuntu ?
13:53.46JigSaw-2pinotree, any idea ?
13:56.15Sho_chanserv help
13:56.19akssps011Any one having any idea >
13:56.21Sho_whoops
13:56.26Sho_mistyped :)
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13:58.39akssps011Sho_: for me ?
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14:00.41Sho_akssps011: ?
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14:01.46akssps011Sho_: I thought you were trying to answer my query ?
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14:08.48Sho_akssps011: no sorry
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14:09.02Sho_akssps011: I don't use either distro so I couldn't tell you
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14:13.44neoclustakssps011: don't miss mandriva when you speak about kde distro :)
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14:15.25akssps011neoclust: so any suggestion on picks between OS's with KDE ?
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14:15.47neoclustakssps011: i can't tell as i am in mandriva kde team i must answer Mandriva :)
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14:16.01neoclustakssps011: but opensuse and fedora are good too
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14:16.41neoclustakssps011: just give a try to mandriva fedora and opensuse, and keep the one that fit the more in your needs
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14:17.05akssps011neoclust: ok
14:17.14akssps011needs a vvirtual box then :)
14:17.25neoclustakssps011: btw i am here if there is some "remarks" in mandriva kde :)
14:17.54akssps011neoclust: ok..thanks :)
14:18.06patrakovhi. is there any way to assign different colors to different jabber accounts in kopete?
14:18.26klikklakdoes kde printer config save old passwords somehow? I've got latest 4.5 and I can login to the cups webinterface ok with my regular account, but kde gives 'wrong password' and then shows an empty screen with 'other - define uri' when I try to create a new printer
14:18.50patrakovi.e., I want to mark the contacts reachable through the company's internal jabber server as green and all others as red
14:18.51nettezzaumanaakssps011: use KVM
14:20.28akssps011nettezzaumana: ok
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14:23.47loxsI read that kde now supports window tiling. But I can't figure out how to activate that option
14:23.53loxsdoes anyone know how to?
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14:25.48klikklakok, got it, arch's fault that cups was broken
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14:29.54patrakovshould KDE-4.5.0 with Akregator, KMail, KNode, Konqueror with one tab, Kopete and Konversation open, really eat 1.6 GB of RAM?
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14:32.29emilsedghpatrakov: see which one takes that much.
14:32.55Sho_patrakov: memory usage is hard to determine on modern operating systems - the common tools don't really report accurate/useful data, then there's the fact that the kernel doesn't really shrink heap size unless there's pressure, and that many applications keep caches that they drop in response to pressure signals from the data, etc. (keep in mind that the reason you have RAM is because it's faster to access than your disk, which means your RAM is actually most useful
14:32.57Sho_when it's full in a way)
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14:33.43Sho_s/from the data/from the kernel/
14:34.41Sho_basically until you actually start swapping, there's no problem -- and don't trust any numbers if you don't know how they were arrived at and how to interpret them
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14:36.33patrakovemilsedgh: if I sort them by memory usage in top, here is the top: virtuoso-t (216m res), plasma-desktop (170m res), kopete (161m res), knode (144m res), akregator (137m res), konversation (121m res), nepomukservices (110m res), konqueror (105 m res), kmail (97m res), X (73m res)
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14:37.24CartoonCatI want to make my task bar fade in kde4, but i do not see that option, im sure i am just missing it
14:37.51patrakovas for the "1.6G" figure, it is from the "+/- buffers/cache" line of the "free" output
14:38.25patrakovI just want to know if these numbers are "normal" on amd64
14:38.28emilsedghwow. hm. patrakov, there is something wrong i guess, all of those you mentioned usually get much less memory here. i usually check with ksysguard.
14:38.56patrakovemilsedgh: so let me run ksysguard, what should I look for?
14:39.12user1024when I want to open almost any project in QtCreator 2.0.1 I am getting Unknown CMake command "kde4_no_enable_final". Is it possible I have to configure something or I just need to install some package?
14:39.29patrakovemilsedgh: the "RSS" column?
14:39.45sreichuser1024: don't think that warning really matters..I get that just by compiling, in general
14:39.52patrakovcan this be due to the raster USE-flag on qt?
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14:41.02patrakovor, how should I debug this memory useage?
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14:43.47patrakovor, what's common among these process and is not common with, e.g., Konsole?
14:44.02patrakovand not common with kmix
14:44.09user1024sreich: it's really funny, just installed KDevelop and it worked. Looks like missing cmake macros were packaged with kdevplatform or something like that.
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15:00.04DrSlonyi see there's a --graphicssystem opengl as well
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16:27.35loxsfolks, I read that kwin now supports window tiling, how do I enable that feature?
16:29.08James147loxs: on kde 4.5: System settings > Window Behaviour > Window Behaviour > Advanced > Check "Enable Tiling"
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16:36.47JackBauer24Hi. My Plasma Desktop just crashed (there is no bars and desktop). What is a command to bring it back?
16:36.52JackBauer24I can't really restart KDE now
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17:07.10Shaan7erin: Rule1: don't ask to ask
17:07.33erinThere's rules?
17:07.49Shaan7nah, thats the only one I guess :P
17:08.00erinlol I figured as much
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18:25.18shadyabhiDid anybody using KDE 4.5 notice that "FREE SPACE in the left column of Dolhin" doesnt show free space of the mounted partitions??
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18:27.21harguthello
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18:29.06hargutI need some suggestion/program for a task I need to do. I have several pictures which are of course sorted by the time when they've been shot. Now I do simply want to sort and rename those images with the context they've been made in. What program can provide me that feature (except mv)?
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18:29.56hargutSimply I want to see the thumbnail of the image and drag them into my preferred sequence and then to rename those pictures according the sorting.
18:30.22hargutI checked gwenview and digikam but both seem not to have such a feature, or I just can't see it because of so many options.
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18:40.38bsmhi, isnt it somewhat crazy that akonadi starts a full mysql server for operation, even for kmail when I don't use kontacts and calendar...?
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18:53.56aseigobsm: it uses it for email related things as well
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18:54.17aseigobsm: and the "full blown" isn't as big as one might think.. i was surprised at how small it was, in fact.
18:54.40aseigobsm: previously, kmail would load the address book (e.g. recent addresses used) up to 6 times in memory for different parts of the UI
18:54.51aseigobsm: centralizing that data solved those kinds of issues
18:55.20aseigobsm: and it turns out that with even moderate email consumption, the benefits of having a performant, querable engine more than break even
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18:59.04bsmaseigo: hmkay.
18:59.11bsmand thanks for the clarification
18:59.37Ox032Fis it possible to group several windows in a way, that they are always raised together? (my example: pidgin buddy list and chat window) [kde 4.4]
18:59.42aseigonp :) sebas wrote a really nice blog today about akonadi, too
19:00.24bsmOx032F: there is some plugin for this, but it requires the desktop effects activated
19:00.33bsmI also would like to use it for gimp
19:00.45aseigoOx032F: from the taskbar? no .. we will be adding kwin window grouping to the tasks widget eventually, though.. then you can create window groups (e.g. tab them together) in kwin, and it'll work from the tasks widget "for free"
19:01.24Ox032Fwhat a pitty, the desktop effects don't work with nvidia xinerama over 2 graphic adapters
19:01.34aseigogimp is a bit harder, since you probably don't want to tab those windows... if/when kwin provides a generic "this is a lump of window ids" support, then we can use that
19:02.10mgraesslinfor gimp it's the best to just use an own virtual desktop IMHO
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19:12.33aseigomgraesslin: indeed
19:12.57aseigomgraesslin: speaking of which, i need to find time to poke around with the tab'd window stuff ... does kwin export any atoms on those windows that would be usable by libtaskmanager?
19:13.41mgraesslinaseigo: no not yet, but it should be pretty trivial to export them
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19:15.24aseigomgraesslin: cool; yes, once that's there then i can add support to libtaskmanager.. i'm not sure 100% yet how i want to do that .. i think the easiest is to just represent them as "one task" in libtaskmanager
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19:15.41aseigomgraesslin: so when you tab two windows together, one of the Tasks objecdts goes away and the other one stays
19:15.57mgraesslinyeah would make sense
19:15.59aseigomgraesslin: tricky on the first tabbing to pick which one perhaps...
19:16.03mgraesslinthat's the same as in kwin
19:16.05aseigomgraesslin: depending on how kwin marks the windows
19:16.29mgraesslinsetting a group identifier on each window?
19:16.56aseigomgraesslin: another possibility is to keep them exposed as individual tasks, but to group them in a special TaskGroup type.. the benefit being that the tasks widget would remain able to operate on individual items (e.g. close one window in the tabs)
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19:17.29aseigomgraesslin: yes, group ID, but is there a way to know which window was dragged "onto" and should therefore be the one selected as the "group leader"
19:17.35aseigomgraesslin: it probably doesn't matter much in practice
19:17.48aseigomgraesslin: but for visuals it might make a difference as to which item in the taskbar goes away
19:18.22mgraesslinwell we can experiment what works best
19:18.28aseigomgraesslin: also, if they are grouped, rather than just collapsed into a single Task, different visualizations can choose to show those groupings differently; the tasks widget could expand/contract them, etc, etc...
19:18.33aseigoyeah, it'll take some experimentation indeed.
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19:43.41corigoHi, my Krusader is totally corrupted and crashes at launch. Can anyone help me get it back and running? KDE w/o Krusader is like Windows w/o Total Commander... mostly useless
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19:45.28cb400ftroubleshooting 101.. does it work for a new user? .. if yes, the configuration is b0rked.. if not, then you prolly broke your installation somehow
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19:48.02corigoDeets: Kubuntu 10.04 with KDE 4.5.0. Have deinstalled and reinstalled via Adept (with reboot inbetween) w/o effect. Still crashes on launch. Have downloaded local files already for command line if preferred, and 2.2.0 BETA source downloaded as well, if that is my only option
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19:53.44Apetriniehm... I can't find cpu scaling governors settings in powerdevil (kde 4.5). Is it been removed?
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19:55.08cb400fcorigo: reinstalling stuff on linux is a waste of time usually... the settings remain
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20:00.30DrSlonycorigo: you tried running it from a console to see crash logs? recompiling with debug flags? removing local krusader settings?
20:00.36corigoI would call that a failing in Adept, eh
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20:00.54corigoDrSlony: trying to find the local settings
20:01.20rdieterApetrini: yes
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20:02.14corigoalso have installed the DBG package and sent bug report.
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20:02.22DrSlonycorigo: ~/.kde4/share/config/
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20:03.11corigoNo protocol specified <br> krusader: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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20:04.23corigore: ~/.kde4/share/config no Krusader labeled files are visible
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20:04.50DrSlonycorigo: what about ~/.kde/share/config/
20:05.06DrSlonyon my system its ~/.kde4/share/config/krusaderrc
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20:05.20DrSlonyim off, good luck
20:06.03The_ManU_212hi
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20:06.08Apetrinirdieter: is there any sensible reason for that ?
20:06.23The_ManU_212since i upgraded to kde 4.5 2 panels are lost, is it possible to geht them back?
20:08.24rdieterApetrini: yes (some distros disable hal cpufreq support, kernel folks argue that the default cpu governor works best)
20:09.27rdieter(that's most of my understanding on the topic)
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20:13.41Apetrinirdieter: the use case is very simple. I have set my kernel on ondemand, but since here is 29c, my laptop will burn if I don't set the governor on powersave at some point... (when I compile or something)
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20:14.54Apetriniso... the real problem is the hal deprecation...
20:15.52bnstest
20:16.04rdieterpartly yes.  partly that apparently ondemand isn't working good enough for you (it should, at least as argued by the power-minded kernel devs I've discussed this with in the past)
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20:17.39rdieterApetrini: or in your case, you were using cpufreq as a workaround for your laptop not having sufficient cooling (under load)
20:18.35rdieter(so yeah, it sucks not having that available anymore)
20:18.53Apetrinirdieter: so... what's the plan for the future ?
20:19.35rdieterApetrini: the future is now (I'm not aware of any more work going on here, or to re-introduce such functionality)
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20:47.06The_ManU_212someone knows how to get lost panels back, the panael and its containment is showsn in plasma-desktop-appletsrc, but is not visible on the screen
20:47.13The_ManU_212do i need to reconfigure all?
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21:01.02angel-tsankovwhen I start KDE I get a message, saysing 'cannot laod system tray icon
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21:15.25DoctorPepperhi guys!
21:15.47ziarkaenJust installed latest stable KDE on ArchLinux.  The mouse speed (acceleration) was too low and I (maybe imagined) it was "softer" than in my previous WM (AwesomeWM).  Is there any way I can get KDE to use X cursor to achieve same pointer settings?
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21:18.52DoctorPeppercan anyone help me please,  i am making a school magrating to GNU/Linux using kde as a DE  but  i cant get kde keyboard shortcuts behave like in windows specialy the one using the meta key
21:19.12emilsedghziarkaen: System Settings->Main Input Devices->Mouse
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21:19.56emilsedghDoctorPepper: just ask your question, if anyone knows, he will help
21:20.03ziarkaenemilsedgh, I can alter the KDE mouse settings.
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21:20.27emilsedghziarkaen: whats the issue then?
21:21.25DoctorPepperemilsedgh: i just presented the issue i have.
21:21.30ziarkaenI wondered whether KDE used the native X cursor or its own "software cursor". And if it didn't, whether I could make it do so to get the same settings as in my other WM.
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21:22.18emilsedghDoctorPepper: you have to do that with more details i guess
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21:25.50DoctorPepperto be clear  , the issue is that i need to use meta key  to have the kmenu showup and also  have shortcuts like  meta+e to start dolphin
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21:39.32KoliaDoctorPepper: i think the meta "window" key has to be used in a combination and can not being used alone to make the kmenu showup
21:39.46Koliai know several people wanted it though, so maybe someone found a trick?
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21:48.22KoliaDoctorPepper: for the rest you can configure Meta+e for dolphin in system-settings > shortcuts > custom shortcuts (then add a new action)
21:50.03DoctorPepperi found a way for the menu to showup using the meta key
21:52.16DoctorPepperthe issue i have is how to setup the bindings so as to have both the meta key used as a kmenu shorcut and as an accelerator
21:53.07DoctorPepperto be able to abnle to have  a shortcut like meta+e
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21:53.16DoctorPepperfor dolphin
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22:06.05Gentoochildhi peeps. Can you help me find out how I can have KOrganizer show contact birthdays again? I tried to add a resource, but it got me nowhere
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22:22.07blip-hi, I usually bind Win+N to mousepad text editor on most systems - I just need something very quick and light to use when copy pasting stuff around
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22:22.28blip-Kate and Kwrite take a good amount longer to startup, I don't want to install Mousepad and pull some XFCE libs
22:22.38blip-is there some very light extremely basic editor for KDE ?
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22:26.35rokyhow do I set konquerers home page to the default page when starting it?
22:27.10Torchblip-: i don't think it gets much more lightweight than kwrite.
22:28.07pinotreeroky: settings → configure konqueror → general
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22:28.44rokyYes, I am there. But what do I put for my homepage "url"
22:29.17Torchroky: the one you want...?
22:29.48rokyIs the default when you start konquerer the first time. So it shows your home folder, trash, bookmarks etc
22:29.48Gentoochildroky: if you mean an empty page, I think there is either a button for that
22:29.53Gentoochildor just enter about:blank as URL
22:30.05rokyThere we go , thats what I was looking for.
22:30.15pinotreenot really
22:30.20Torchroky: those are not the same.
22:30.22Gentoochildor if you mean the "default" page with the Introduction to konqueror
22:30.27Gentoochildthen that's another url.
22:30.28pinotreeabout:blank is a really blank page, not the intro page
22:30.29TorchGentoochild: i think he does.
22:30.33Gentoochildabout: something
22:30.38pinotreeyou just want about:
22:31.11rokyokay ill try that
22:31.12Gentoochildsomewhere there was a command to show that page
22:31.17Gentoochild*thinking*
22:31.27blip-Torch: I've used Kwrite for many years and when i found kate it seemed exactly the same except has tabs thing... are they 99% the same code ?
22:31.33rokySays protocol not supported..hmm
22:31.43Torchblip-: mostly.
22:31.50Gentoochildah, it's in the help menu
22:31.57Torchblip-: the "shell" is different, the "part" is the same
22:32.02Torchblip-: i.e. the core editor is the same.
22:32.59Gentoochild*g* as I guessed: about:introduction brings you to that page
22:33.06rokySweet, is there a way to use konquerer so that I can type my search into the url bar instead of getting a protocol not supported error?
22:33.30Gentoochildroky: web shortcuts?
22:33.44Gentoochildi.e. type "gg something" to google for "something"
22:33.57Gentoochildor "leo house" to translate house
22:34.14blip-Torch: thanks
22:35.08Gentoochildso now that there is some activity here ;-) does anyone know how to display addressbook birthdays in korganizer?
22:35.10rokyyou mean try that gg something and it will search because it didn't :X. Sorry, I'm brand new to kde. Just learning it and the apps.
22:35.29Gentoochildby default it's "gg:something", not "gg something"
22:35.34rokyah ok ok
22:35.35Gentoochildsee Configure Konqueror -> Web Shortcuts
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22:35.53Gentoochildthere are plenty of search queries pre-defined, alogn with their shortcut
22:36.08DoctorPeppercan anyone help me please,  i am making a school magrating to GNU/Linux using kde as a DE . I have to  setup the keyboard shortcuts to mimic the windows shortcut  , the issue i am facing is that i cant get meta key  to be used as the same time  as  shortcut  for the kmenu  and as combined key shorcut  like meta+d  for dolphin .
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22:36.48GentoochildDoctorPepper: you mean you want the K-Menu to pop up with just pressing Meta?
22:36.58DoctorPepperyes
22:37.13Gentoochildhm... AFAIK that was never possible.
22:37.42GentoochildI grew accustomed to Alt+F1 very quickly. Perhaps you can add a text hint to the desktop wallpaper saying that the user needs to press Alt+F1
22:37.45DoctorPepperi managed to do it  on kde4
22:37.51Gentoochildhm...
22:39.04rokyreally?you cant bind the meta key to open the kmenu?
22:39.05roky0.o
22:39.13rokyThat seems basic to me....
22:39.27pinotreeif your meta key is a key and not a modifier, yes
22:39.28Gentoochildjust tried - it doesn't save it
22:39.32Torchin contrast, it seems totally weird to want to even think about it to me
22:39.36Torchit's a _modifier_
22:39.58Gentoochildwell, only we call it "Meta", everyone else calls it "Windows"
22:39.58rokyNot for some of us who grew up using windows then switched to linux. lol
22:39.59Torchthe key makes only sense to use together with other keys. that's what a modifier _is_
22:40.11Torchroky: i suppose you don't expect a comment on that.
22:40.17rokyNot really
22:40.22rokyJust being honest.
22:40.23DoctorPepperno the issue is to have at the same time  having  shorcut like meta+d to startup dolphin
22:40.24roky:P
22:40.42TorchDoctorPepper: you could probably force X into remappintg meta to some other key, then bind that to menu.
22:40.50TorchDoctorPepper: of course you would no longer have a meta modifier then
22:40.56rokyI ain't going to lie and say im some epic linux guy. I mean...I run arch. But I far from consider myself a *linux guru*
22:41.30rokyI just love the simplicity. And it runs kde beatifully. Where every other distro seemed to fail horribly. especially in 4.x
22:43.38DoctorPepperroky i have to disagree  with  i used kde on ubuntu , fedora , opensuse ,debian , gentoo and sabayon  and i worked just fine
22:47.22rokyDoctorPepper: to slow
22:47.24rokyon all those.
22:47.45rokyThen again, im picky, and it has to run perfectly, otherwise I won't use it.
22:47.52rokyWhich is why arch worked for me :x
22:48.15Gentoochildthey all have the same problems ^^ *duck*
22:49.07rokyIf that wassss the case. Why does arch work right?
22:49.27rokykde 4.x runs perfect on arch.
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23:36.57oneforallhmm, konsole still when you open a new tab its not at ~/. Its where it was at the one you open it from .
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23:40.30James147oneforall: in the profile settings on the general tab uncheck "Start in same directory as current tab"
23:40.52oneforallah ok thanks never knew it was in there :)
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23:46.44SamWeasleyHi! I'm with some problem in Akonadi
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23:47.36SamWeasleyFrom this log I solved some problem, but tests 9, 10 and 15 crashes
23:48.07SamWeasleyI saw something strange in the test 15 output, where it shows  /home/fecosta/.local/share/akonadi//mysql.conf
23:48.32SamWeasleyI thought it should be /home/fecosta/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf
23:48.40SamWeasleywhere could I set this?
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