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| 00:56.32 | Digital-Pioneer | Can I rip two CDs at once with K3b?... |
| 00:56.44 | Digital-Pioneer | That's a kind of important feature. |
| 00:58.29 | Digital-Pioneer | K3b is great at ripping, but I've got two drives, and I want to keep them both busy. |
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| 01:09.11 | junkDawgie | i've never tried that Digital-Pioneer, you could start two instances of k3b (maybe?) and give it a shot, you might run into io competition that might be detrimental. |
| 01:10.06 | Digital-Pioneer | junkDawgie: I've found _a_ way to do it. Start another K3b as another user. :P |
| 01:11.02 | junkDawgie | there ya go.... still if both drives are on the same io controller you could have log jams |
| 01:13.29 | Digital-Pioneer | junkDawgie: Oh, I'm sure they are, but hopefully it'll work itself out. :\ |
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| 01:14.09 | junkDawgie | ripping may not pose a problem, writing might be disaster |
| 01:14.36 | Digital-Pioneer | Would it actually get data crossed over, or just buffer underruns like you've never seen? |
| 01:14.57 | junkDawgie | underruns would be the problem i think |
| 01:15.21 | junkDawgie | who knows..if you dialed down the burn speed it could be done maybe |
| 01:15.42 | junkDawgie | be interesting to watch iotop during |
| 01:16.15 | junkDawgie | if they are sata burners i'd say you have a chance |
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| 01:20.05 | Digital-Pioneer | Nope. IDE. Old school. :) |
| 01:21.09 | Digital-Pioneer | Mmm. I love K3b's ripping interface. |
| 01:21.46 | Digital-Pioneer | Would be nice if I could avoid this hackish dancing around two accounts, but so be it. |
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| 01:22.31 | junkDawgie | doesn't mean you couldn't use another program... |
| 01:22.53 | Digital-Pioneer | I tried several others. I liked K3b better than all of them. :P |
| 01:23.01 | junkDawgie | unless the real culprit is cdrecord |
| 01:23.30 | Digital-Pioneer | And I'm ripping audiobooks, so the rips all have to be the same title format, otherwise it's confusing. |
| 01:24.02 | junkDawgie | good for you, somebody needs to do it. :) |
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| 01:29.01 | Digital-Pioneer | Keeping 2 drives and 4 cores pretty busy. :) |
| 01:30.21 | Digital-Pioneer | Ever take a moment to appreciate how incredible quad core really is? Of course, they've got hex and octal cores these days, but still... Incredible how much processing power they can pack into that tiny little thing. |
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| 01:32.48 | junkDawgie | i agree, one day they will make software that actually takes advantage |
| 01:33.50 | junkDawgie | some game engines and encoding programs do a stab at using the resources, but it doesn't seem very effective |
| 01:34.18 | junkDawgie | puts a buck in the jar for being off-topic |
| 01:37.21 | Digital-Pioneer | thanks him, and takes the jar. |
| 01:37.41 | Digital-Pioneer | <.< |
| 01:37.42 | Digital-Pioneer | >.> |
| 01:37.46 | Digital-Pioneer | Heheheeee! |
| 01:38.55 | Digital-Pioneer | No idea how effective it is, but when encoding video, it uses 100% of all my cores. Granted, who knows how much of that is overhead and how much is useful work. |
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| 01:54.11 | Magui | hello, all. I did a safe-upgrade last Friday, and I'm having some trouble with kde now. mostly looks and runs normally, except that any mouse-click takes a long time to produce a response (like clicking on a button, or clicking on a menu item). this only affects GUI apps. at the command-line, everything runs fine. I am hoping someone else in here has run into this, and is aware of a quick way to fix this. |
| 01:54.20 | Magui | I thought I had found a fix at forums.debian.net but it hasn't changed anything. |
| 01:55.10 | Magui | here's some information about my set-up. the affected computer is a laptop running debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, kde version 4.4.4. I should add that I believe I have been running kde 4.4.4 for at least two weeks now (I think!), but this problem only started up on Friday. I know a few kde packages were in that upgrade I did. unfortunately, I didn't write them down, or anything. |
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| 01:57.54 | vaix | Anyone know how to debug KnetworkManager + stack to understand why VPN connections don't prompt for password? (OpenSuse 11.[23], kde4.4.4, knm 4-0.9) |
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| 02:28.28 | necro__ | My keyboard locked up in KDE environment again. I am at terminal for now. Is there any way I can run a command line app to see what is holding or blocking keyboard input? |
| 02:28.46 | necro__ | ctrl+alt+f# still works, and caps lock, etc, but no input to applications function. |
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| 02:57.51 | plauclair | hi, my Synaptics touchpad on T400 seems to only have 1 finger recognition, but in the past I used it with 2-finger scroll and everything, I just upgraded to OpenSuSE 11.3 and I cannot seem to use synclient because kde probably has control over it, help ? |
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| 05:26.43 | Mathman | yo. don't suppose anyone would help me out with my kopete setup? I'm trying to get yahoo im going. says I'm online, but then I'm not able to message perhaps. |
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| 05:33.20 | Mathman | fine jerks. don't add the @yahoo.com it seems. |
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| 06:02.00 | hnd2 | does anybody digitally signs emails using kmail? |
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| 06:10.30 | lemma | Mathman: could you please file/check bug reports on bugs.kde.org regarding kopete yahoo accounts? |
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| 08:43.49 | xsacha | hello.. this is a bit embarrassing but i cant find how to erase or to move selected objects in Krita :\ |
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| 08:44.59 | Sho_ | xsacha: hm if nobody who knows is awake, you could also try #krita |
| 08:45.00 | lokpest | so, Is konqueror going to switch to webkit? |
| 08:45.06 | lokpest | khtml sucks as |
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| 08:45.10 | lokpest | ass* |
| 08:45.28 | Sho_ | was going to answer but stopped caring after the troll comment |
| 08:45.35 | MinceR | :> |
| 08:46.10 | xsacha | thanks |
| 08:46.36 | lokpest | Sho_: not troll, just my feeling ftm |
| 08:46.41 | xsacha | lokpest: whats wrong with khtml that couldnt be backported from webkit? |
| 08:46.54 | xsacha | by the way konqueror in kde4.5 has support for webkit AFAIK |
| 08:47.15 | MinceR | i only wonder why is he interested in a khtml-derivative if he hates khtml so much |
| 08:47.39 | lokpest | because it can render webpages |
| 08:47.49 | cb400f | I wonder if he goes to mozilla-devel channel and ask them if they will switch to webkit because gecko sucks |
| 08:47.53 | MinceR | lol |
| 08:48.00 | lokpest | and I _like_ konqueror |
| 08:48.09 | xsacha | cb400f: he should send an email to microsoft and tell them to switch instead :P |
| 08:48.22 | xsacha | lokpest: well, as i said, kde4.5 should support webkit in konqueror |
| 08:48.26 | cb400f | right.. no engine sucks more than theirs :-) |
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| 08:50.23 | lokpest | cb400f, MinceR: well I do like that you can open other programs inside konqueror, so konqueror would be a very good browser if it just could be used to render websites |
| 08:50.34 | MinceR | and it can |
| 08:50.45 | lokpest | not satisifyingly |
| 08:50.59 | MinceR | that depends on the user |
| 08:51.09 | xsacha | lokpest: have you tried using konqueror + webkit? |
| 08:51.11 | lokpest | nearly every page has some error |
| 08:51.48 | lokpest | so that makes me use firefox because of pragmatic reasons |
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| 08:52.36 | lokpest | but I really WOULD LIKE TO use konqueror, but cant |
| 08:52.47 | pinotree | uses it daily |
| 08:52.49 | lokpest | please dont go into defensive mode |
| 08:53.15 | pinotree | well, guess who started with the attack mode in here |
| 08:53.43 | lokpest | and you responded with groupthink |
| 08:53.45 | xsacha | lokpest: are you ignoring me? |
| 08:53.58 | lokpest | xsacha: no |
| 08:54.10 | xsacha | you can use webkit in konqueror but it will be disabled by default in 4.X series |
| 08:54.29 | lokpest | ok |
| 08:55.07 | GraveDigger | uses konqueror daily as main browser |
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| 08:56.28 | lokpest | xsacha: ah good to hear, mabye I will be happy when I switch to KDE4 then |
| 08:56.45 | pinotree | so you're still using kde3? |
| 08:57.08 | xsacha | oh lol |
| 08:57.21 | xsacha | khtml has improved since kde3 i believe by the way |
| 08:57.41 | xsacha | they get some backports from webkit |
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| 08:58.29 | lokpest | pinotree: yes, kubuntu 8.04 |
| 08:58.36 | lokpest | aka hairy hardon ;) |
| 08:58.52 | pinotree | (be polite please) |
| 08:59.20 | lokpest | uh? Is sexual inuendo impolite? |
| 08:59.34 | lokpest | who are you guys? the pope in rome? |
| 08:59.39 | pinotree | for this channel, yes |
| 08:59.54 | lokpest | ok, Mr catholic |
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| 09:00.49 | lokpest | pinotree: so whats wrong with still using kde3? Its still supported by some distro releases? |
| 09:01.08 | pinotree | did i say that was wrong? |
| 09:01.16 | lokpest | you implyed |
| 09:01.21 | pinotree | no |
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| 09:01.33 | lokpest | "oh lol" |
| 09:01.33 | pinotree | of course, you cannot think it is uptodate with modern technologies |
| 09:01.36 | lokpest | err |
| 09:01.41 | lokpest | that wasnt you |
| 09:01.46 | lokpest | sorry |
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| 09:02.14 | lokpest | pinotree: why should I uppdate when my current install is still supported? |
| 09:02.35 | pinotree | kde3 is no more developed |
| 09:02.36 | lokpest | plus that early kde 4 was kind of rocky |
| 09:02.44 | lokpest | trinity! |
| 09:02.46 | lokpest | :P |
| 09:02.53 | James147 | lokpest: hasent kubuntu 8.04 reached end of life? is wasent a LTS like ubuntu 8.04 was |
| 09:03.42 | lokpest | James147: ubuntu and kubuntu shares repos so it wasnt feasible to end kubuntu while ubuntu was still alive |
| 09:04.03 | lokpest | so it still uppdated as normal |
| 09:04.20 | James147 | lokpest: the server edition and the desktop edition share the same repos... yet have different eol... |
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| 09:05.11 | lokpest | James147: my desktop of kubuntu has gotten uppdates |
| 09:05.23 | lokpest | and I asked the devs |
| 09:05.43 | James147 | lokpest: probally for the common stuff, but I doupt that you would get and kubuntu spicific stuff |
| 09:06.03 | lokpest | mabye not, cause kde3 isnt developed |
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| 09:18.11 | tdn | In Kile, how do I enable more than one dictionary for spellcheck? I am writing a document in two languages: Danish and English. I would like to have Kile use both Danish and English dicts to auto spellcheck. |
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| 09:46.13 | eshat | what spell checker does KDE use ? ispell or aspell ? |
| 09:47.41 | xsacha | i havent heard of ispell |
| 09:47.48 | eshat | so it is aspell ? |
| 09:48.27 | ahiemstra | yes, aspell |
| 09:48.39 | eshat | ahiemstra: thanks... |
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| 09:54.01 | Wil_Syd | I've installed K3b on F13 and there is no icon in the menu. Is there some info out there on how to fix this? |
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| 09:57.20 | mcsmurf | of course KDE 3 does not know anything about KDE 4 prefs, but I don't want KDE 4 to destroy (or something like that :) the KDE 3 settings |
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| 10:16.25 | aldjabad | sup |
| 10:16.50 | aldjabad | I have a problem with starting a domain in GlassFishV3 server: |
| 10:16.51 | aldjabad | There is a process already using the admin port 88 -- it probably is another instance of a GlassFish server. |
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| 10:17.18 | pinotree | how is that related to kde? |
| 10:17.18 | aldjabad | No processes using this port on my sysyem |
| 10:17.26 | aldjabad | Other ports fails too |
| 10:17.39 | aldjabad | Oh, sorry |
| 10:17.45 | aldjabad | Wrong channel |
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| 10:41.11 | arkascha | What is the kde4 equivalent to kde3's kprinter ? |
| 10:42.36 | pinotree | nothing |
| 10:42.57 | arkascha | pinotree: that is not much, hmmm |
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| 11:06.27 | solar_sea | using kde 4.4.4 with debian squeeze. How do I make dolphin to open a konsole in a new window when I press f4, rather then embedding it in itself ? |
| 11:07.28 | Sho_ | solar_sea: that's Shift+F4 normally |
| 11:07.50 | Sho_ | solar_sea: you can go into Configure Shortcuts and reassign F4 to "Open Terminal" |
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| 11:09.36 | solar_sea | Sho_, thanks |
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| 11:11.23 | solar_sea | Sho_, and what is the way to make this terminal appear on top of dolphin/focused ? |
| 11:12.09 | MIH1406 | I have installed Kubuntu with Arabic translations and want to get the translation files of this language (PO files) Where are they located? |
| 11:13.01 | Sho_ | solar_sea: It appears on top and focussed here |
| 11:13.02 | cb400f | MIH1406: you want the files shipped with kubuntu or the official upstream translations? |
| 11:13.09 | Sho_ | check your window manager settings, I guess |
| 11:13.28 | MIH1406 | the files shipped with my installed kubuntu |
| 11:13.34 | MIH1406 | I found mo files |
| 11:13.37 | MIH1406 | not po files |
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| 11:14.05 | cb400f | MIH1406: kubuntu po files are hiding somewhere in Launchpad/Rosetta .. official KDE translations are in kde svn / or can be found via http://l10n.kde.org |
| 11:14.50 | MIH1406 | Yes but I need po files for KDE 4.4.2 |
| 11:14.53 | cb400f | working on old, outdated po files is a bad idea, if you want to contribute to translations you should do it in the correct place |
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| 11:16.44 | MIH1406 | I want to translate the KDE I am using. so I can understand what a string mean. As you know KDE 4.5 and 4.6 have features added to KDE 4.4 |
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| 11:17.12 | MIH1406 | I think you are right I will try to look for files in launchpad.net |
| 11:17.44 | cb400f | but that means you'll have to redo the same job again in the next kubuntu version |
| 11:17.45 | Sho_ | KDE doesn't use Launchpad for its translations |
| 11:17.47 | thiago_home | KDE doesn't use launchpad for its files |
| 11:17.52 | Sho_ | please see the how-tos on http://l10n.kde.org/ |
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| 11:18.13 | MIH1406 | Can I convert MO files to PO files |
| 11:18.37 | MIH1406 | ? |
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| 11:18.46 | cb400f | at least you should report errors to the translators so problems can be fixed for everyone |
| 11:18.58 | thiago_home | MIH1406: not easily, no |
| 11:19.05 | thiago_home | MIH1406: better to simply download the original .po |
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| 11:19.36 | Sho_ | MIH1406: If you work on the PO files of KDE 4.4.2, your work will likely be in vain. If you want your work to be useful, work with the KDE Arabic translation team and contribute to the Arabic translation that will be released with KDE |
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| 11:20.36 | MIH1406 | I asked them but they told me that they stopped working for KDE!! |
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| 11:21.11 | MIH1406 | Even they tried to force me to follow their rules, which most computer users do not like |
| 11:21.24 | enkidu | MIH1406: you asked ubuntu guys? |
| 11:21.38 | cb400f | then you should be happy the quit, and start a new team :-) |
| 11:21.39 | thiago_home | MIH1406: most computer users don't do translations |
| 11:21.49 | MIH1406 | KDE Arabic Translation Team guys |
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| 11:21.51 | phrearch | hi |
| 11:22.10 | MIH1406 | Most arabic users do not like their translation |
| 11:22.10 | Sho_ | MIH1406: Well if they stopped working, you could look into taking over, for example |
| 11:22.16 | phrearch | does anyone know how the right-to-left typing in kate is triggered? |
| 11:22.20 | MIH1406 | We have a great debate conserning translating tech terms to arabic |
| 11:22.35 | cb400f | I guess every language has that :-) |
| 11:22.43 | Sho_ | MIH1406: the point is, you need to do the work in the right place so it will actually get released and into the hands of users |
| 11:22.46 | phrearch | somehow i trigger it every time :S |
| 11:22.57 | enkidu | cb400f: yeah, in Polish translation I can found some proofs of using online translator |
| 11:23.04 | MIH1406 | They will not accept my translation |
| 11:23.14 | cb400f | but you said they quit |
| 11:23.25 | Sho_ | MIH1406: If they stopped working, they're not in a place to refuse it |
| 11:23.29 | cb400f | so there's a golden opportunity for you to become the coordinator |
| 11:23.42 | enkidu | "system load" -> "obciążenie systemowe" instead of "obciążenie systemu" |
| 11:23.54 | enkidu | and so on |
| 11:23.59 | MIH1406 | Yes, but they have the right to revise translations before submitting |
| 11:24.21 | MIH1406 | Can I submit my translations? |
| 11:24.46 | cb400f | if they are not doing any work, and preventing others from doing it, they can be ousted |
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| 11:24.59 | cb400f | and you can get svn access instead for example |
| 11:25.25 | MIH1406 | how? |
| 11:25.44 | cb400f | http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/stable-kde4/team/ar/ .. doesn't look too good |
| 11:26.05 | MIH1406 | I know that |
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| 11:26.10 | Sho_ | MIH1406: if there really are such problems in the Arabic team, you could start a thread on the general translation mailing list (kde-118n-doc) to discuss the state of the Arabic translation and figure out how to fix the prolems and maybe get direct access |
| 11:26.12 | MIH1406 | this is bad |
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| 11:26.36 | MIH1406 | thank you I will try |
| 11:26.38 | the_dark_warrio | Is this channel appropriate for asking k9copy questions? |
| 11:27.07 | Sho_ | the_dark_warrio: don't see why not |
| 11:27.32 | the_dark_warrio | Ok ;) |
| 11:28.45 | cb400f | MIH1406: of course translation freeze for 4.5 is about 1 week away.. but could target kde sc 4.6 and kubuntu 11.04 |
| 11:29.08 | the_dark_warrio | I'm trying to backup a DVD, but there are a *lot* of titles with more or less 5GB. I can't find which one to choose. I've played some of them, and it seems their chapters are all mixed up, but they are all there. Any hints? |
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| 11:29.42 | MIH1406 | But I want to translate the one in my running Kubuntu, can I install KDE 4.5 or 4.6? |
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| 11:30.02 | ahiemstra | you should be able to install 4.5 |
| 11:30.36 | cb400f | MIH1406: do you plan on using 4.4.2 for the rest of your life? |
| 11:31.01 | cb400f | .. however you could translate 4.4.2 and "forward port" translations to trunk/4.6 |
| 11:31.09 | MIH1406 | no but I plan to use Translation Memory if I get direct access |
| 11:31.29 | MIH1406 | to translate other versions |
| 11:31.45 | MIH1406 | How can I install 4.6? |
| 11:31.50 | cb400f | next kubuntu is also only 3 months away |
| 11:31.54 | cb400f | ask kubuntu people |
| 11:32.12 | ahiemstra | MIH1406: 4.6 is current trunk, you'd need to follow the instructions on techbase.kde.org |
| 11:32.26 | ahiemstra | 4.5 should be available in some kubuntu ppa |
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| 11:34.02 | MIH1406 | What is trunk? is it beta? |
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| 11:34.17 | ahiemstra | no, its the newest of the newest |
| 11:34.20 | szal | more likely alpha |
| 11:34.26 | ahiemstra | before alpha :p |
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| 11:36.39 | cb400f | MIH1406: trunk is 4.6.. it's pre-alpha.. 4.5 is not even released yet |
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| 11:37.17 | MIH1406 | What is the Stable version? 4.4 4.5 or 4.6 |
| 11:37.34 | James147 | MIH1406: 4.4 is the current stable |
| 11:37.37 | ahiemstra | 4.4 for about two weeks still |
| 11:37.43 | cb400f | the latest stable version right now is 4.4.5... 4.5.0 is coming in about 2 weeks |
| 11:38.10 | MIH1406 | 2 weeks, very soon |
| 11:38.15 | cb400f | see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules |
| 11:38.26 | MIH1406 | Thank you I think I have to upgrade to 4.5 |
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| 11:38.46 | cb400f | however.. 4.5 will get monthly bugfix updates _with_ translation updates |
| 11:39.42 | RoozbehOnline | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.46 | RoozbehOnline | can you help me ? |
| 11:40.16 | ahiemstra | do you have the git version of kdevplatform/kdevelop installed? |
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| 12:03.30 | raptor360 | Hi all, is there a plasmoid that shows the taskbar in the way windows7 does? In the dock mac spirit. |
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| 12:09.13 | JaVaSan | Hi, I'm using KDE 4.4.5. A friend of mine did something (he doesn't know what, it was an accident) and now the applications opened don't show on the panel anymore. Any advice? |
| 12:09.39 | James147 | raptor360: "smooth tasks" is the closest "win 7" taskbar widget |
| 12:09.40 | smurfslover | JaVaSan: he probably removed the taskbar widget |
| 12:10.00 | smurfslover | unlock widgets/click the panel toolbox/add widgets |
| 12:10.17 | smurfslover | then add taskbar, smooth tasks or any other taskbar plasmoid |
| 12:10.44 | James147 | JaVaSan: ^^ the default one is called "Task Manager" I believe |
| 12:11.52 | JaVaSan | I'm trying to upload a printscreen in other to show another odd thing with the panel |
| 12:11.57 | raptor360 | James147: thanks man, I'll try it out. |
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| 12:12.57 | smurfslover | JaVaSan: use the pastebin plasmoid for easy uploading images |
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| 12:16.14 | JaVaSan | smurfslover, cool, I didn't know about it. I'm uploading to http://imageshack.us/ already. Will use pastebin plasmoid next time =] |
| 12:17.40 | Sho_ | you can drag directly from ksnapshot to the pastebin plasmoid |
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| 12:19.26 | JaVaSan | smurfslover, James147 http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8894/fullscreenr.png |
| 12:19.30 | JaVaSan | This is the printscreen that shows how my panel looks like. |
| 12:20.47 | James147 | notes that JaVaSan have a teey tiny panel in the upper left hand corner of his desktop :) |
| 12:20.50 | JaVaSan | Note there is something black on the left part of the panel. And I don't remember these two buttons on the upper left and upper right of the desktop. |
| 12:21.30 | JaVaSan | have no idea how it get there =) |
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| 12:21.52 | James147 | JaVaSan: probally rightclicked the desktop and hit add panel :) |
| 12:22.03 | James147 | JaVaSan: the other was is always there :S |
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| 12:23.42 | JaVaSan | James147, I've just removed it |
| 12:24.02 | JaVaSan | I think the button on the upper right is ok. |
| 12:24.14 | James147 | JaVaSan: not sure what the black thing is :S but I would think its theme related... you could try changing the plasma theme |
| 12:24.40 | JaVaSan | It was probably there on the first time. |
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| 12:25.30 | ahiemstra | its appears to be a rendering error |
| 12:25.31 | Torch | JaVaSan: i have that black thingy on the left of the panel with the noveau driver on my notebook |
| 12:25.40 | ahiemstra | you can try resizing the bottom panel, it usually helps |
| 12:25.43 | Torch | JaVaSan: try to make the bottom panel a little narrower. |
| 12:25.46 | Torch | ahiemstra: ack. |
| 12:25.50 | ahiemstra | :p |
| 12:26.19 | JaVaSan | James147, I'll try to add the taskbar widget and see what happens... if nothing happens I'll try to change the plasma theme. |
| 12:26.49 | JaVaSan | Torch, hm... let me see. |
| 12:26.51 | James147 | JaVaSan: or doing what Torch and ahiemstra both suggested at the same time ;) |
| 12:28.33 | JaVaSan | ahiemstra, Torch, James147 great! the black thing is gone =] |
| 12:29.04 | JaVaSan | it was a rendering error. |
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| 12:29.40 | JaVaSan | lets get back to the taskbar widget now. |
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| 12:32.01 | tzzimy_away | is away: Gone away for now |
| 12:32.07 | James147 | JaVaSan: generally you add a widget: Right click on the panel (or desktop) [> panel option] > add widget > find widget you want > drag widget to where you want |
| 12:32.12 | JaVaSan | James147, you were right. The default taskbar is "Task Manager". It's ok now. |
| 12:32.15 | tzzimy | is back. |
| 12:32.38 | pinotree | tzzimy: can you please disable away/back messages? thanks! |
| 12:32.46 | JaVaSan | thank you guys |
| 12:33.00 | JaVaSan | my desktop looks like a desktop again =] |
| 12:33.07 | tzzimy | sorry i will |
| 12:33.38 | smurfslover | JaVaSan: why do you need a panel and a taskbar to have a desktop |
| 12:33.48 | smurfslover | i use no panels on my e17 and kde4 desktops |
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| 12:34.45 | James147 | smurfslover: love that you can replace the panel with alt+f2 and desktop effects if you want or what ever you want :D |
| 12:35.33 | JaVaSan | smurfslover, it was supposed to be a joke, but you took it too seriously =] |
| 12:36.06 | szal | smurfslover: how do you switch (maximized) windows w/o a taskbar? |
| 12:36.22 | Torch | szal: alt+tab? |
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| 12:36.27 | smurfslover | alt+tab :) |
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| 12:36.42 | ahiemstra | present windows ;) |
| 12:36.44 | smurfslover | i never minimize windows i use virtual desktops |
| 12:36.46 | JaVaSan | I used to use no panels, but not anymore. |
| 12:36.54 | James147 | szal: or use the present windows effect attached to a screen edge :D |
| 12:37.06 | smurfslover | run everything (e17) or krunner also lists windows |
| 12:37.19 | szal | uses 2 panels |
| 12:37.23 | James147 | there are so many options :D |
| 12:37.33 | szal | a lot easier having all the informational stuff on the panels than on the desktop |
| 12:37.41 | smurfslover | and e17 has itask-ng, a nice zooming bar with launcher/taskbar |
| 12:38.27 | smurfslover | my perfect desktop would be a mix of e17 and kde :) |
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| 12:41.30 | JaVaSan | smurfslover, when you say e17 you're talking about www.enlightenment.org ? |
| 12:41.42 | smurfslover | yes |
| 12:42.04 | JaVaSan | didn't know about it. |
| 12:42.05 | smurfslover | they're finally working towards a release |
| 12:42.28 | Sho_ | they've been working toward a release for seven years |
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| 12:45.49 | Jucato | e16 had a 1.0 though iirc |
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| 12:46.32 | smurfslover | e17 is fast and beautiful |
| 12:46.44 | pinotree | (and unreleased) |
| 12:47.03 | smurfslover | they planning to release next year but you never know |
| 12:47.37 | smurfslover | still i had more crashes from plasma than i had from enlightenment |
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| 12:48.33 | ahiemstra | are you now comparing a window manager with a desktop containment? |
| 12:48.56 | smurfslover | ahiemstra: enlightenment a desktop containment |
| 12:49.01 | smurfslover | the filemanager is e |
| 12:49.42 | ahiemstra | hmm, i guess my definition of enlightement is too narrow then, I thought it was mostly a wm |
| 12:49.48 | Jucato | he said desktop containment, not desktop environment |
| 12:49.57 | Jucato | unless he meant the two to be synonymous .. |
| 12:50.05 | ahiemstra | not really, no |
| 12:50.31 | Jucato | btw, hi ahiemstra :) |
| 12:50.41 | ahiemstra | 'lo :) |
| 12:51.05 | smurfslover | enlightenment is the desktop containment |
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| 12:51.23 | smurfslover | the name of the desktop environment is enlightenment DR 17 |
| 12:52.02 | smurfslover | i know lots of people who use e17 or lxde on older hardware |
| 12:52.27 | smurfslover | mostly since kde3 dissapeared |
| 12:52.48 | smurfslover | i still miss kde3 although i love kde4 |
| 12:53.04 | ahiemstra | heh, i seriously disliked kde3 |
| 12:53.11 | ahiemstra | but love kde4 |
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| 12:55.54 | smurfslover | as an active forum member on different distro forums i still come across people who dislike kde4 and can't fine a decent alternative to kde3 |
| 12:56.02 | smurfslover | some people are even mad about it |
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| 12:58.46 | ahiemstra | yeah, like those that wanted to fork kde3 you mean? |
| 12:59.22 | lemma | ahiemstra: they actually did. although I'd rather rate it a continuation given kde3 is no longer actively developed by KDE |
| 12:59.48 | pinotree | call it with the proper name: fork |
| 12:59.52 | cb400f | smurfslover: you'll also find people raving about xmms etc... they're lost in some time warp.. there's nothing anyone can do to help them |
| 13:00.11 | smurfslover | there's audacious :) |
| 13:00.20 | lemma | pinotree: I could probably argue about that but I don't think it's worth it :-) |
| 13:00.24 | cb400f | useless eyecandy, bloated music player |
| 13:00.29 | cb400f | xmms! |
| 13:00.36 | smurfslover | yes i prefer deadbeef or consonance |
| 13:00.38 | cb400f | :-) |
| 13:00.42 | smurfslover | and whaawmp for video |
| 13:00.53 | smurfslover | all unbloated and friendly to my old hw |
| 13:01.19 | smurfslover | kde3 is now trinity iirc |
| 13:02.59 | smurfslover | here are some kubuntu based livecd's with trinity: http://trinity.lv/ |
| 13:03.45 | smurfslover | Trinity nightly builds: https://launchpad.net/~kde3-maintainers/+archive/trinity-svn-nightly |
| 13:04.27 | cb400f | does it use qt4? |
| 13:04.38 | ahiemstra | i highly doubt it |
| 13:04.58 | ahiemstra | unless they plan to port /all/ kde3 software to qt4 |
| 13:05.03 | ahiemstra | oh wait... |
| 13:05.07 | smurfslover | that would be a huge work |
| 13:05.10 | ahiemstra | that already exists... |
| 13:05.36 | smurfslover | ?? |
| 13:05.45 | ahiemstra | its called kde4 ;) |
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| 13:06.17 | smurfslover | ahiemstra: i thought most of kde4 apps where a total rewrite instead of ports |
| 13:06.23 | ahiemstra | yes |
| 13:06.31 | pinotree | it depends |
| 13:06.39 | ahiemstra | because you simply /cannot/ straight port to qt4 from 3 |
| 13:06.41 | ahiemstra | afaik |
| 13:06.50 | pinotree | it depends² |
| 13:07.24 | smurfslover | used krename for the first time yesterday, it's just awesome |
| 13:07.54 | smurfslover | lost the extensions of over 1000 photo's using gprename and couldn't find a way to re-add them using gprename |
| 13:08.03 | smurfslover | krename fixed my issue in no time |
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| 13:08.33 | smurfslover | kde apps or mostly better than the gtk alternatives |
| 13:08.56 | ahiemstra | anyway, because a lot of code needed to be rewritten for the qt4 port many developers decided to clean house |
| 13:09.05 | ahiemstra | and rewrite stuff from scratch |
| 13:14.01 | smurfslover | has to shop for groceries now |
| 13:14.12 | smurfslover | everything 's closed tomorrow here |
| 13:14.18 | smurfslover | national holiday |
| 13:14.24 | ahiemstra | on wednesday? |
| 13:14.26 | ahiemstra | huh |
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| 13:14.45 | ahiemstra | bloody holidays... |
| 13:14.52 | smurfslover | 21th of july, every year |
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| 13:29.42 | tzanger | good morning, just a quick question... kwin is the window manager... what is the app that displays the desktop (background, panels, etc.) ? |
| 13:29.55 | Torch | tzanger: plasma |
| 13:29.59 | tzanger | thanks |
| 13:30.24 | Torch | tzanger: or plasma-desktop, to be precise. |
| 13:30.33 | tzanger | much better. I managed to crash it and couldn't figure out what to run to restart it |
| 13:30.41 | tzanger | (it tried to restart but the reason it crashed hadn't been removed yet) |
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| 13:58.20 | paul424 | Still kde 4.5 SC has those shitty icons .... |
| 13:58.21 | henshaw | I'm struggling to connect to a remote desktop share on a windows vista laptop with krdc (and with rdesktop, which iirc is the cli backend) |
| 13:59.16 | paul424 | in that sense, that it uses the strange masks |
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| 14:47.26 | aiyu | hii all |
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| 14:50.06 | aiyu1 | i am new to kde, i was using gnome and installed kde from synaptic , but the look i get on my kde desktop is like windows 95 like, i changed themes but i am not getting the plasma look in it. am i missing anything....... please help |
| 14:52.13 | Torch | aiyu1: maybe a screenshot would help here to make your point clearer |
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| 15:01.13 | aiyu | torch: accept my file |
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| 15:01.51 | Klanticus | aiyu: it's better to post where everyone can see it |
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| 15:02.20 | Klanticus | aiyu: http://imagebin.ca |
| 15:02.26 | aiyu | ok thanks w8 |
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| 15:04.24 | aiyu | klanticus:http://imagebin.ca/view/zjQvNBXA.html |
| 15:04.58 | Klanticus | looks like you installed kde 3 |
| 15:05.23 | Klanticus | ask in your distro channel on how to install kde4 |
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| 15:05.41 | aiyu | is it possible to install from kde |
| 15:07.24 | Torch | aiyu: what distro are you running? |
| 15:07.29 | aiyu | debian |
| 15:07.58 | Torch | hmm. they have a kde-channel somewhere, but i think not on freenode. anyone? |
| 15:16.41 | pinotree | #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:17.44 | Torch | aiyu: you should ask there, really. |
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| 15:30.14 | jcouto | Hi |
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| 15:30.25 | jcouto | I have a problem with gwenview |
| 15:31.08 | jcouto | When I launch it by openning an image attachment in kmail, it is very, very slow |
| 15:31.27 | jcouto | however, if I open it from the command line, it flies |
| 15:31.32 | jcouto | Any help? |
| 15:32.07 | James147 | jcouto: kmail downloading the image first? (not sure just guessing :) ) |
| 15:33.10 | jcouto | No |
| 15:33.28 | jcouto | The image is completely downloaded |
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| 15:42.12 | aiyu | thanks torch and pinotree |
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| 15:44.25 | aiyu | please help me with a apple styl dock for kde 3 |
| 15:44.58 | Torch | aiyu: you can't really expect much support for kde3 anymore... it's been outdated for more than two years now. do yourself a favour and get kde4. |
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| 15:45.36 | aiyu | a #debian guy told its not stable enough, is it true |
| 15:45.51 | Torch | aiyu: no. kde4 is stable. |
| 15:46.08 | aiyu | ok will get that |
| 15:46.10 | aiyu | thanks |
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| 16:01.52 | swathanthran | keuphoria.kss just crashed the whole X session..http://pastebin.ca/1904547 thats /var/log/Xorg.0.log just as it is after the crash( i am now from tty)..how can i get more details about whats going wrong? and figure out if its with the driver? |
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| 16:26.32 | Neremor | is there a way to make kdesu's shell to a loginshell? |
| 16:26.46 | Neremor | like in "su" the parameter -l does? |
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| 16:36.34 | Laugarhraun | heyy |
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| 16:36.50 | Laugarhraun | KTorrent or KGet or which torrent downloader? |
| 16:37.03 | Laugarhraun | ... is, according to you, the best one? |
| 16:37.58 | Sho_ | well both use the same code for bittorrent |
| 16:38.05 | Sho_ | kget uses ktorrent's bittorrent library |
| 16:38.16 | Sho_ | kget is a general download manager, where torrent support is a side feature |
| 16:38.28 | Sho_ | ktorrent is a dedicated bittorrent app that has more torrent-related features |
| 16:38.33 | Sho_ | so it depends on your needs |
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| 16:38.45 | Sho_ | if you have basic bitorrent needs and also do other downloading, kget might be a good fit |
| 16:38.52 | Sho_ | if you need advanced torrent features, use ktorrent |
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| 16:39.28 | Laugarhraun | ok, thanks |
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| 16:41.32 | Neremor | no help for my problem? |
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| 16:42.10 | Sho_ | Neremor: "kdesu bash -l"? |
| 16:42.18 | Sho_ | or "kdesu konsole -l" rather |
| 16:42.44 | Sho_ | at least kde3 konsole had a -l |
| 16:42.52 | Sho_ | or change the terminal profile so it runs bash -l instead of bash |
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| 16:58.20 | condor | Hi guys, do KDE need xorg-server to be installed in the system ? |
| 16:58.39 | condor | I'm trying to install KDE on Gentoo =) |
| 16:58.48 | pinotree | then ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 16:58.52 | condor | ok |
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| 17:02.00 | szal | hasn't ever heard of KDE running w/o an X server.. except perhaps in Windblows |
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| 17:02.50 | Sho_ | szal: doesn't mean the X server has to be installed on that system |
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| 17:03.05 | Sho_ | szal: X is network-transparent, client and server can run on separate computers |
| 17:03.26 | Sho_ | szal: there are also other X servers than vanilla xorg-server, e.g. NX |
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| 17:25.45 | macius | hey is there a way to port forward kget? :\ or should i be using ktorrent, notcing kget is going very slowly and dont see anything about port forwarding in the config gui |
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| 17:27.22 | macius | ** by port forward i mean specify the port to use lol |
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| 18:06.07 | isis___ | hello |
| 18:07.06 | isis___ | im needing some help to run the rec command while im using kde, if i dont start the x it works okay, can anybody help me please? |
| 18:08.05 | cb400f | well.. what happens when you run it in kde? |
| 18:08.07 | isis___ | mixer shows everything ok, and i can hear my voice from the michophone to the headphones |
| 18:08.11 | isis___ | yeah |
| 18:08.34 | isis___ | when i run kde the rec command doesnt record anything, just silence |
| 18:08.39 | cb400f | and are you sure you have all the relevant channels visible in kmix? |
| 18:09.01 | isis___ | yeah mics are unmutted and capture is on |
| 18:09.23 | cb400f | wonders if PitaAudio runs without X |
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| 18:12.22 | isis___ | i wonder why it works awesome while im not running X, there might be some incompatibility |
| 18:12.43 | isis___ | i guess my kde is owning the whole soundcard for itself |
| 18:13.03 | isis___ | whats pitaAudio? |
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| 18:16.43 | isis___ | any suggestion? |
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| 19:05.42 | DrSlony | Hey, I'm using a GeForce GTX 280M which is a damn good card, yet sometimes KDE4 (or QT apps?) seems unresponsive, not as fast as Enlightenment 17 for example, especially konversation tab switching. What can I try to make it more responsive? Any xorg.conf tweaks? Google gives a lot of outdated advice. Running xorg-server-1.8.1.902 and nvidia-drivers-195.36.31 |
| 19:06.25 | Sho_ | try konversation --graphicssystem raster |
| 19:06.49 | cb400f | or disable the animation for tab switching in the oxygen style settings |
| 19:07.23 | Sho_ | cb400f: it's disabled by default |
| 19:07.54 | cb400f | hm.. ok |
| 19:08.09 | DrSlony | cb400f: system settings > appearance > ? |
| 19:08.46 | Sho_ | style > oxygen > configure > animations |
| 19:08.50 | Sho_ | but that's not it |
| 19:08.57 | cb400f | -> style -> applications -> configure -> general |
| 19:09.04 | cb400f | but apparently that's not it :-) |
| 19:09.18 | DrSlony | "animate tab transitions" is off |
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| 19:09.30 | Sho_ | [21:06] <Sho_> try konversation --graphicssystem raster |
| 19:09.42 | DrSlony | yup |
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| 19:12.16 | DrSlony | huge performance boost already! |
| 19:12.35 | Sho_ | yep, the boost that comes from cutting nvidia's shitty drivers out of the loop |
| 19:12.40 | DrSlony | can I set the graphicssystem to raster permanently, or do i have to change my shortcuts? |
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| 19:13.00 | pappkoppany | hello |
| 19:13.00 | Sho_ | the default graphicssystem is a build-time option in qt |
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| 19:15.54 | DrSlony | ok added raster to my gentoo use flags |
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| 19:20.57 | Vladimiroff | How could I add ftp in places of dolphin if I have @ in my username |
| 19:21.10 | Vladimiroff | the user is like someone@domain.com |
| 19:21.30 | Vladimiroff | and I can't write ftp://user@domain.com@some-other-thing.com |
| 19:21.43 | pinotree | @ = %40 |
| 19:21.53 | pinotree | you use that in your username |
| 19:23.13 | Vladimiroff | pinotree: aaaah! thanks, man! |
| 19:23.31 | Vladimiroff | everything goes fine, now! thank you very much! |
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| 19:41.27 | apow | hi |
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| 19:41.43 | apow | my KDEuBlog doesn't seem to be working, any tips on how I debug this? |
| 19:42.14 | apow | I've configured my twitter account, and nothing happens. |
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| 19:58.16 | Melodist | okay, is anyone else using kde 4.5 having issues with windows resizing? |
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| 20:09.54 | yigal | how do I turn off my web cam in Kopete - I'm greatful it works but I'm using a laptop and the web cam drains the battery quickly? |
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| 20:11.36 | yigal | I'm using 4.4.2 in Kubuntu 10.4 |
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| 20:45.06 | fbred | hello and good evening. is it possible to show the whole window when alt+tabbing, instead of just the frame around? :) |
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| 20:47.30 | Torch | fbred: hmm, depends on the task-switch-effect you use, i guess. i get to see the whole window when alt-tabbing. |
| 20:48.38 | fbred | Torch, which one do you use? |
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| 20:49.18 | fbred | I can't tell the difference on any of the effects |
| 20:49.27 | psych787 | is there a way to invoke KDE's graphical copy dialog from the command line? |
| 20:49.28 | Torch | fbred: box switch, it seems. |
| 20:49.34 | Torch | fbred: the simplest one. |
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| 20:52.15 | fbred | Torch, hm.. me to. I only see the outline. (and the dialog if I check it) |
| 20:52.51 | Torch | Frantic: no idea then, sorry. i have 4.5 rc2... can't remember how it was with 4.4, if you're still on that version. |
| 20:53.00 | Torch | oops, sorry Frantic |
| 20:53.05 | Torch | fbred: ^^ |
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| 20:55.06 | fbred | Torch, maybe that's why. Do I have to compile 4.5 rc2 myself or does it exists packages? |
| 20:55.58 | Torch | fbred: there are packages for many distros (#kde isn't about a special distro, so the question is a little off topic here ;-)) |
| 20:56.15 | Torch | fbred: also, it's not released yet, so use at your own risk. |
| 20:56.39 | fbred | of course ;) |
| 20:56.46 | fbred | thanks! |
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| 21:01.37 | stevehedge | How do I get my main menu back? I am on KDE mint and have removed the main taskbar at the bottom of the screen. I can run my programs with Alt +F2 but want my main control bar back! |
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| 21:03.38 | svuorela | stevehedge: right click on desktop. click add panel |
| 21:04.22 | svuorela | fbred: box switch has been around since forever (but it requires 3d graphics) |
| 21:05.14 | stevehedge | ok cool! |
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| 21:08.23 | fbred | svuorela, naah, are you sure? it is nothing 3d about it |
| 21:08.59 | svuorela | fbred: well.. compositing if I should be more correct. |
| 21:09.18 | lemma | psych787: maybe "kioclient copy" can do that. though I haven't tried. |
| 21:10.05 | psych787 | Thanks lemma. kioclient kcp failed for me but kioclient copy seems right. :) |
| 21:10.26 | pinotree | kioclient --help, btw |
| 21:11.26 | fbred | svuorela, I might have explained this a little bit clumsy. I want the window that is about to be active, to be on top, for as long as I hold the alt-button |
| 21:11.48 | svuorela | fbred: that feature requires compositing, else it would be damn slow. |
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| 21:13.00 | fbred | hm, it isn't in fb. I don't think I had compositing there |
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| 21:15.20 | svuorela | fbred: and making features that require compositing work without compositing can sometimes be done, like including backgrounding screenshots and stuff, but it is a very low priority, and sometimes even avoided due to complicating of the code |
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| 21:18.34 | fbred | svuorela, I see. I'll try enabling composite |
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| 21:21.53 | fbred | svuorela, I enabled composite (xorg.log says it was sucessfull too) but the box switch still doesn't work. any ideas? |
| 21:22.25 | svuorela | have you enabled compositing and chosen box switch ? |
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| 21:23.58 | fbred | yep, I disabled "show outline of selected window", and now, when I alt+tab, nothing happends at all (until I release) |
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| 21:27.23 | svuorela | hasn't compositing on this box, so can't atcually try everything. but in system settings > desktop > desktop effects > general tab, enable desktop effects and choose box switch in "effect for window swichtnigh" and maybe enabling box switch in "all effects" tab |
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| 21:31.23 | fbred | svuorela, aaah. now something happened! we're moving in the right direction |
| 21:32.09 | svuorela | there is also cover switch and a few other fancy effects. |
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| 21:38.02 | fbred | svuorela, I'll probably have to implement my own moveontopSwitch. Thanks for the help! |
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| 22:05.45 | WMP | hi |
| 22:06.04 | WMP | i cant find in kopete jabber services, anybody can help me? |
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| 22:07.53 | szal | WMP: Configure -> Add Account -> Step 1: Select Messaging Service |
| 22:07.59 | szal | Jabber is listed there |
| 22:08.04 | WMP | yes |
| 22:08.33 | WMP | but i search as jabber transport, eq to IRC |
| 22:10.08 | WMP | transport/gateway |
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| 22:16.47 | Torch | WMP: sounds like that's outside the scope of kopete |
| 22:16.51 | WMP | OOO |
| 22:16.54 | WMP | i find it |
| 22:17.03 | neverendingo | depends on the jabber server itself |
| 22:17.04 | WMP | click in kopete icon on taskbar |
| 22:17.15 | WMP | and in account |
| 22:17.19 | WMP | and in service |
| 22:18.11 | WMP | hardcore... |
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| 23:46.00 | djustice | junkDawgie: it's down |
| 23:46.09 | djustice | junkDawgie: dunno y. ive poked. |
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| 23:46.36 | junkDawgie | understood, thanks |
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| 23:51.44 | Krtz | hi. I have a problem with KDE 4.5 RC2. Dolphin and Konqueror crash every time. Is this a know problem or only mine? |
| 23:56.33 | Torch | Krtz: they work for me. |
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