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05:39.23Teratogendo you think Linus Torvalds starting using KDE again?
05:39.27Teratogenerrr'
05:39.34Teratogendo you think Linus Torvalds started using KDE again?
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05:42.42simulacrumWho cares?
05:42.49simulacrumEverybody uses what he wants!
05:42.49strikeusimulacrum: me :P
05:44.00simulacrumTeratogen: why do you say he started using KDE "again" ? A few years ago I read an article were he advocated KDE on the desktop, he switched ? :P
05:44.21Teratogenyes when KDE 4 came out he was so disgusted with it he switched to Gnome
05:44.23simulacrum(not that I would care, but for the sake of the question)
05:44.59Jucato4.0 to be specific, which wasn't meant for end-user usage already
05:45.39strikeuTeratogen: not even Linus ! xd
05:46.43Teratogenyou guys haven't heard this story!?
05:46.44Teratogenhttp://www.zdnet.com/news/torvalds-abandons-kde-for-gnome/264218
05:47.29Teratogenhey, but he might switch back
05:47.30simulacrummismatch from KDE 3 to KDE 4.0
05:47.42simulacrumhe even considered an upgrade would ruin some things?
05:47.44simulacrumdoff
05:47.50simulacrumwhatever not my business
05:48.16strikeuyeah who cares :)
05:50.19Teratogenhey listen he might switch back
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08:03.52[Steven_M]hi all
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08:05.10[Steven_M]can gwenview rotate pictures and then save the rotated copy?
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08:10.27Torch[Steven_M]: yes.
08:10.47[Steven_M]Torch: thanks
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08:24.23coz_hey guys... any news about having one single wallapper on dual monitor system?
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08:58.50kusahi folks :p
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09:47.33codertuxis there a way to start an app using a different desktop theme? whithout changing the default theme for kde?
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09:52.01Torchcodertux: try "kwrite --style cde"
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09:59.17pinotreeTorch: ... at least please use a saner style as example, you don't want to cause heart attacks to people, do you? ;)
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10:00.38Torchpinotree: well, i wanted one that demonstrated the point drastically, yes ;-)
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10:03.28liquidatHm, who is the person to ask regarding the logins at dot.kde.org
10:03.29liquidat?
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10:11.53codertuxTorch: that works for KDE apps... is there anything similar for qt apps? (I'm trying to test qtcreator with a different style...)
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10:14.31Torchcodertux: #qt
10:15.50neverendingoliquidat: ask on #kde-www, but most likely the persons you want are not around, having fun in finland :)
10:16.16liquidatneverendingo: Yeah, you are right... :D
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12:32.08Max__There used to be a plasmoid called Quicklauncher. Now I can't find it...?
12:32.08Max__Recently upgraded to Mandriva 2010.1 KDE 4.4.3
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13:21.00userhi all
13:21.32userIs it possible to have three columns instead of two in Kmail? Similar to Thunderbird and Outlook and much better suited for Widescreen?
13:21.58userI mean an own column for directories, one for the mails and one for the mail preview itself.
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13:24.29Schorfisure, look for the options in the layout-options :P
13:27.06userSchorfi: sorry, I don't see it there
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13:27.31cb400fbottom radiobutton
13:27.58cb400f"show a display of message previews next to the message list"
13:28.02cb400f.. or something like that
13:28.16Schorfi<PROTECTED>
13:29.00usercb400f: ah, now I got it :/
13:29.01userthanks
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13:38.37farewinI am testing some commands with DBus and Compiz, and to test things i use D-Feet and qdbusviewer
13:38.59farewinD-Feet and qdbusviewer don't show the same informations for compiz methods
13:39.07farewinI don't know why !
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14:06.35enkiduhi there
14:06.57enkiduwhen KMail is going to stop locking its UI on editing messages?
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15:08.27TazzypillarHello; how can I change the settings of a specific plasmoid/widget??
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15:08.44sreichright click it
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15:09.43TazzypillarAh, but what about when it's a panel widget like SmoothTaskbar?
15:11.17sreichthe very same
15:11.26sreichexcept you have to find it's edges
15:12.01sreichor alternatively if it's a panel widget, just go to the panel settings then mouseover the widget
15:12.17TazzypillarOh I see
15:12.23TazzypillarThanks tons~
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16:42.17rizaHi, I have two virtual desktop. Is it possible to set one wallpaper and theme for one and another for the second desktop?
16:43.31cb400fit is possible to set different wallpapers if you use different activities per virtual desktop
16:43.40cb400fit is not possible to use different plasma themes afaik
16:43.44Geriahoy
16:44.05rizacb400f, what do you mean different activities?
16:44.08Gerihow can i set the avatar size for my contacts in kopete
16:44.23cb400fdifferent plasma activities
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16:44.50cb400flets you have different widgets, wallpapers etc. on different virtual desktops
16:45.48riza;_; Confusing. I just want different wallpapers for different pager.
16:46.20cb400ffor the pager? you didn't say anything about just the pager
16:46.41rizaSorry, isn't virtual desktop the same thing as pager?
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16:47.40cb400fnot in my mind.. the pager is a little thingy to switch between virtual desktops
16:47.55rizaOOOH.
16:48.13rizaYa. So yes I need to change wallpapers for virtual desktops. I don't have any widget, so when you hit "show desktop" you just see a wallpaper.
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16:49.02cb400fso right click the pager -> configure virtual desktops -> check "different activities.. yada"
16:49.25cb400fassuming your have kde 4.4, since you didn't mention your version
16:50.04rizaI totally forgot to mention that, I am sorry. I have 4.2.4.
16:50.26cb400fthen I don't think you can do it
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16:51.29riza;-;
16:51.32rizaThank you though!
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16:54.03TazzypillarHello, how can I check the space I have on my computer?
16:54.12Tazzypillarlike disk util on gnome
16:55.23kushoudf -h
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16:56.19Tazzypillaruhm, is there a GUI for it out there? I ran the tool but I can't really make much sense out of it
16:56.31T1750I am trying to submit crash report
16:56.40T1750but it says error unknown when i try
16:57.03cb400fTazzypillar: have a look at filelight
16:57.38T1750oh well
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16:57.42T1750cant submit it then
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16:58.13TazzypillarAlright, thanks, cb400f
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17:16.18bitlordI have problem with my "main" panel, after changing some options about size of panel, it disappeared from other 3 virtual desktops (is this my fault, or it's bug), I'm using KDE SC 4.4.3?
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17:48.58bitlordI think it's problem with setting panel "Always visible", and "Auto-hide", now changed back to last settings and I have again main panel on all desktops, but when switching between  then I can see two panels :s
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17:52.05jozefkCan I live in KDE without Akonadi?
17:52.29cb400fyes
17:53.08jozefkhow to do that? every time I start KMail Akonadi crashes, same with KAddressBook
17:53.18jozefkI don;t really need that Akonadi thing
17:53.36cb400fyou can't use kaddressbook without akonadi in >= 4.4
17:53.48jozefkhow about Kmail?
17:53.50cb400fso obviously you need it
17:53.56jozefkI have KDE 4.4.4
17:53.59cb400fyou prolly can't use kmail without kaddressbook
17:54.46jozefkwhy it's diying that Akonadi then?
17:54.54jozefkKDE4.4.4 shoudl be stable
17:55.21cb400fprolly something with your system/distro.. works here
17:55.53jozefkit's like that from beginning
17:56.06jozefkwhat;s your distro?
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17:58.00jozefkI think Gnome is more stable than KDE, in general
17:58.42cb400fopensuse
17:59.04cb400fwell.. I disagree.. but some components like akonadi, nepomuk etc. are immature
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18:00.07jozefkby the way, what is the function of that Akonadi?
18:00.21sophoi don't know
18:00.21jozefknepomuk works fine now. at least, so far :)
18:01.21cb400fit's a framework for sharing pim data between apps
18:01.23James147I beleave that Aknoadi manage different resources (like contacts, calendars etc) so that the same resource can be sued across multiple applications
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18:02.17jozefkhmm
18:03.04jozefkwhy do we need that. as you said it's still immature. which means KDE worked without akonadi at all before right?
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18:04.06cb400fwell.. if we're to believe kdepim guys things will work better.. e.g. kmail had a lot of bugs that were more or less impossible to fix before
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18:04.30cb400ftime will tell if it ever becomes stable and fast
18:04.45saLOUtpinotree: works for me
18:04.55jozefkI don;t see any other email client good enough to replace kmail
18:05.08pinotreethen don't replace it?
18:05.52pinotreesaLOUt: ah, now it work, weird...
18:06.12jozefkI will not. will always start it twice instead of once. first time for crash with akonadi then secund time for working
18:06.16saLOUtthe output from tree looks different
18:06.47jozefksecond*
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18:09.48jozefkjust don't know how many times I'll need to start it in case I open KAddressBook
18:10.07jozefkevery time I start something related to Akonadi all other apps dies
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18:10.33bitlordis it normal that almost every action write something in ~/.xsession-errors like this http://nopaste.ns-linux.org/?ZjRkNT ?  ~/.xsession-errors is now about 16MiB
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18:14.12noahiri cant open and rename files with special chars
18:14.15noahirhow to fix it ?
18:15.56noahirplease help
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18:18.02James147noahir: try in command line: mv file1 file2   but replace the spical characters with ?
18:18.13noahirJames147: cant
18:18.39James147noahir: what not?
18:18.56noahirit wont complete
18:18.57noahirthe name
18:18.59noahiri cant :S
18:19.00noahiromg
18:19.05noahirwhy KDE cant fix that
18:19.11noahirits 1 y old bug !
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18:21.40noahiromg
18:21.41noahirit sucks
18:21.44noahiri cant open my file
18:23.05jozefkcan you move it in another directory?
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18:23.50noahirthrough GUI yes
18:24.41jozefktry to put it in dir to be alone. no other files. and then try in terminal mv * newname.extension    this is just an idea. I never tried this before
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18:26.27noahiri cant move it
18:26.42noahirit says file doesnt exist
18:26.53jozefkyou said you can move it in gui
18:27.13jozefkwhat if you try to do it as super user?
18:28.08noahirdoesnt exist
18:28.12noahirits problem with that chars
18:28.14noahir:Ss
18:28.41bitlordnoahir, what's filename, to try it here?
18:28.59jozefkI had the same problem long time ago but I don't remember how did I fix it
18:29.17noahirWarhammer - �ern� srdce 1- Long, Nathan - Valnirova zhouba.doc
18:29.29jozefkoh
18:29.32jozefkdo it in windows
18:29.41jozefkit's windows file anyway
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18:30.05noahiryes
18:30.26jozefkjust rename it in windows and that's it
18:30.40jozefkremove all that spaces and things :))
18:31.01noahiri dont have windows
18:31.35bitlordnoahir, autocompetion works here mv Warhammer\ -\ \?ern\?\ srdce\ 1-\ Long\,\ Nathan\ -\ Valnirova\ zhouba.doc
18:32.26noahirdoesnt work
18:32.31noahirbitlord: may i upload it ?
18:33.36bitlordI don't know, it works here
18:34.02noahirlol i cant upload it
18:34.12noahiromfg stupid windows users and their stupid coding -__
18:35.00bitlordnoahir, rename in KDE works here too
18:35.07noahiri cant rename it
18:35.09noahir:S
18:35.09bitlordtried now through dolphin
18:35.13noahirit say
18:35.17noahirfile doesnt exist
18:35.42jozefkkill that guy who gave you such file LOL
18:36.17noahiri will
18:36.38noahirjozefk: its book i bought it :SSSS
18:36.41noahirebook
18:36.47noahirfuckers
18:36.49jozefkcan you tar it up?
18:38.04noahiruhm nope
18:38.28jozefkcan you delete it?
18:38.31jozefk:D
18:38.39noahirno
18:38.39noahir:D
18:38.52jozefkof course you can
18:39.12noahirno
18:39.17noahiri cant autocomplete it
18:39.25jozefkhey you could try mv *ba.doc zhouba.doc
18:39.31bitlordnoahir, maybe try booting in some live distro and copy it or rename (or first backup, then copy and play with)
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18:40.21noahiryea i have a time
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18:41.15jozefkmv *ba.doc zhuba.doc not working?
18:42.22noahirjozefk: :-****
18:42.31jozefklol
18:42.46noahirwhat do you mean ?
18:42.47noahir:)))))))
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18:43.38bitlordnoahir, to move al files in that folder with ba.doc at the end to zhuba.doc (if it is one file, it will move it)
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18:44.17jozefkmv *zhuba.doc zhuba.doc
18:44.26jozefkzhouba*
18:44.31bitlord* is a wildcard http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/wildcards.html
18:45.37jozefkif that not works it could be a problem with permissions
18:45.57noahirworked
18:46.07jozefkok then you know now
18:46.20jozefkwrite it down in case you need again :D
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18:57.33jozefkby the way I think opensuse is not having KDE4.4.4
18:59.18pinotreejozefk: #opensuse-kde for that
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19:10.28judgenI am sorry to bother, but does anyone have a working .gtkrc-2.0 that i could borrow?
19:10.57quhanhello, how to change the priority of autostart in my kde?
19:11.36quhani would like to start kdenetmanager first
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19:31.32TazzypillarCan KDE run Ubuntu-Tweak okay? like, besides installing Ubuntu specific stuff?
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19:36.14James147Tazzypillar: not really a kde issue... kubuntu can run it although some of the options arent really needed as tehy are gnome spcific, other wise its best to see your distrbution
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19:46.13reberhi all. Can anyone help me to have only windows that belongs to each desktop on each taskbar
19:47.10zhickreber: right-click on your taskbar and open the configuration for the taskbar
19:47.30zhickreber: the option is right there, under filters
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19:50.38reberzhick, found thanks. i wasn't able to open the tasbar configuration because too much windows opened, and i couldn't right click to get the configuration menu.
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20:02.33judgendamnit.. why is this so hard....
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20:03.13judgenDoes noone have a default .gtkrc-2.0* tat i could use?
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20:13.23d3xhi ppl. i am trying to set up widget sharing. i enabled 'share this widget in network' and 'allow everyone to access it'. no idea how to us it on another computer now, though :/ google doesn't help much. any ideas?
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21:16.01timshelHi Is there a special place for replies in kmail? If I send a new mail it is saved in the sent-mail directory but if I reply to an existing mail it seems to be send but I can't find it anywhere afterwards. I have an Imap account but mails should be saved locall.y
21:17.09cb400fmaybe you just don't see it cuz of the threading?
21:17.28cb400fat least for me replies are in the sent mail folder as it should
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21:19.03timshelYes, it is sorted with a reply I have send yesterday. This is very confusing.
21:19.46timshelBecause it breaks the chronological order and  it isn't expanded by default.
21:20.48timshelExcept of the + in front of the old mail there is no hint that new replies were sent.
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21:23.20timshelThanks for the hint, I have changed the aggregation.
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21:37.17timshelHm, Contact uses the Christen name for sorting instead of the surname. Could this be changed for all contacts at once?
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23:07.50LantiziaHey is KBluetooth meant to be used for pairing headsets?
23:08.06LantiziaBecause when I try it finds it, accepts the pin... but then says it has no input types or something
23:09.50Lantizia"Sorry your Bluetooth Device does not support input Service."
23:09.52Lantiziaany ideas?
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