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| 00:34.33 | redeeman | hello, im having the strangest problem in kopete, if numlock is on, it doesnt send my message by simply pressing return, then it does newline instead in the input field... any ideas? |
| 00:38.22 | nemo_ | redeeman, is this on a laptop? |
| 00:38.34 | nemo_ | or a "compact" keyboard? |
| 00:39.04 | redeeman | its a laptop |
| 00:39.32 | redeeman | okay i see why |
| 00:39.44 | redeeman | when numlock is on, it switches to KP enter instead of KP return |
| 00:39.55 | redeeman | damn dell |
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| 00:48.19 | leontopod | ok somehow in kde 4 I made an icon on my desktop huge |
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| 00:48.26 | leontopod | how do I shrink it back to normal size? |
| 00:49.24 | leontopod | oh, got it |
| 00:49.26 | leontopod | figured it out |
| 00:49.37 | leontopod | how do I get an icon that is on the desktop onto the taskbar? |
| 00:50.33 | leontopod | I have xchat as an icon on my desktop |
| 00:50.39 | leontopod | but somehow it disappeared from the KDE menu |
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| 00:50.51 | leontopod | I know I can get an icon onto the taskbar from the kde menu |
| 00:50.53 | sergio_ | quicklaunch widget ? |
| 00:50.57 | leontopod | but how do I do so from the desktop? |
| 00:51.12 | leontopod | how do I tell if it is quicklaunch sergio_ ? |
| 00:52.01 | leontopod | weird, xchat disappeared from my kde menu |
| 00:52.06 | leontopod | it should be under internet but it's not there |
| 00:52.06 | sergio_ | leontopod: i added the quicklaunch widget to the panel, and added icons/launchers there |
| 00:52.11 | leontopod | how do I get it back on the menu? |
| 00:52.36 | leontopod | well, I THINK it is a quicklaunch widget |
| 00:52.47 | leontopod | isn't everything on the desktop a widget now? |
| 00:53.33 | leontopod | I try dragging the xchat icon down to the taskbar |
| 00:53.34 | leontopod | but |
| 00:53.39 | leontopod | it doesn't appear on the taskbar |
| 00:54.56 | leontopod | how do i get something on the kde menu? |
| 00:56.25 | leontopod | gah this is frustrating |
| 00:56.30 | leontopod | I don't understand kde 4 |
| 00:56.45 | leontopod | with kde 3.5 I could drag an icon from the desktop to the task bar and it would add the icon to the task bar |
| 00:56.49 | leontopod | why doesn't it do that any more? |
| 00:56.57 | leontopod | and why did xchat disappear from my kde menu? |
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| 01:06.52 | leontopod | ok |
| 01:06.52 | leontopod | right click on menu, menu editor =) |
| 01:06.56 | leontopod | I was able to add xchat back into the menu and from there I was able to add it to the taskbar |
| 01:07.02 | leontopod | things used to be a lot simpler in kde 3.5 |
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| 01:13.06 | nerdy_kid | how stable is 4.5 beta 2? (and yes i know -- "this is experimental software not suitible for production enviroments" blah blah ;) ) |
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| 01:16.36 | leontopod | ok |
| 01:16.43 | leontopod | I think I got it figured out now! |
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| 01:20.16 | leontopod | WHOOP! |
| 01:21.01 | sreich | nerdy_kid: it's probably quite usable...for my uses it is quite solid |
| 01:21.37 | nerdy_kid | sreich would you say that it is more stable then 4.4.4? |
| 01:21.53 | sreich | I wouldn't know, I only use trunk |
| 01:22.56 | nerdy_kid | sreich oh ok :) im trying to hold off upgrading till the rc :| thanks! |
| 01:25.49 | claydoh | its nice, but not a stable as 4.4 just yet |
| 01:27.12 | nerdy_kid | claydoh thanks :) |
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| 01:33.38 | Linux-C0d3r | OI FUCKERS!!! |
| 01:33.51 | Linux-C0d3r | WHATS HAPPPENIUNG HIGGHAZ??!??! |
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| 01:55.25 | SpeedEvil | Hello! I'm wondering if there is a way to use compositing to show shrunk windows on the screen. For example - I'd like to show a small image of a browser, as a window, along with ordinary full-sized windows. |
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| 02:08.41 | Linux-C0d3r | SpeedEvil FUCK OFF |
| 02:09.07 | SpeedEvil | Well - thanks. |
| 02:09.16 | Linux-C0d3r | np |
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| 02:43.55 | _BS_ | Hello. Kubuntu 10.04. How do I change the background of the taskbar? |
| 02:45.46 | claydoh | _BS_: you have to change the plasma theme, currently there is no way to change just the taskbar color easily |
| 02:46.15 | claydoh | _BS_: some themes adjust taskbar to current color scheme |
| 02:47.30 | Linux-C0d3r | _BS_ SHUT THE FUCKUP YOU FUCKING MORON! |
| 02:47.36 | claydoh | you can mix and match different theme elements in the Theme Details section in System Settings |
| 02:47.43 | claydoh | !ops |
| 02:47.55 | Linux-C0d3r | !FUCKOFF |
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| 02:48.17 | Linux-C0d3r | !FUCKOFF |
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| 02:48.37 | claydoh | thank you Sho_ |
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| 02:48.50 | Sho_ | np |
| 02:48.54 | *** mode/#kde [-o Sho_] by Sho_ |
| 02:49.15 | _BS_ | Hmmm. OK. This is annoying. i.e. I go to change the theme, and I find very little that's PLAIN. e.g. Anything clean ends up with wording on it. So, I guess I just turn off themes? Or go to plain background, etc. Groping here for terminology. |
| 02:49.48 | _BS_ | Sho_: Thank you. (for banning Linux-C0d3r, etc. |
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| 02:51.12 | claydoh | _BS_-different: do you like solid or translucent panel? |
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| 02:52.37 | claydoh | _BS_-different: also having effects on/off changes the look of a lot of the traslucent ones |
| 02:52.57 | _BS_-different | claydoh: <sigh> So many choices, so little time. I have to say I've very much liked the clean look of all the default themes, be it kde, debian, or buntus. Looking for any of them now always involves wording or other things I find very distracting. What I really looked for, if I was going to have a non-plain theme, was the kde dragon. I think that's just been done SO very well! (-: |
| 02:53.52 | claydoh | sorry I thought you were looking for tasknar/panel colors |
| 02:53.56 | _BS_-different | The only reall problem with the default theme is the 'bars' in the taskbar obscure the buttons. Let alone, somehow I keep going from light grey to dark grey, and the darn things become impossible to read. Sorry. Irritated. Frustrated. TIRED! (-: |
| 02:55.05 | _BS_-different | claydoh: Have I missed something? First I'm told to change the taskbar background I have to change the theme. Then you say you think I was looking for taskbar/panel colours - as though I can change that without changing the theme. Are we getting confused? |
| 02:55.37 | claydoh | plasma theme, sorry not desktop theme |
| 02:55.50 | claydoh | yes I am :) |
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| 02:58.36 | claydoh | so if you go into system settings - appearance- workspace tab, you see the standard Air theme is default |
| 02:59.09 | claydoh | _BS_-different does that have the bars you are talking about? |
| 02:59.14 | _BS_-different | OK, I'll try to keep it straight. That would explain why changing the desktop theme had no effect. |
| 02:59.16 | _BS_-different | claydoh: Hold on a sec, let me get over to it. |
| 02:59.55 | claydoh | I have a pretty stock kubuntu here , with kde 4.4.4 |
| 03:00.25 | claydoh | i don't think the options area has moved from a fully stock 10.04 |
| 03:00.36 | claydoh | and 4.4.2 |
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| 03:04.02 | _BS_-different | claydoh: You have it correct. At that place, what I have called bars (mistakenly, I now realize, in the sense of not confusing my audience), is the 0 tubes/bars/graphics/whatever on the left hand side. On the taskbar this becomes REALLY annoying lighter 'bits' on the task buttons. Having said all this ... this is the place to change the plasma theme, vs. the kde desktop theme? |
| 03:04.05 | claydoh | _BS_-different: I did find an interesting theme package on kde-look |
| 03:04.08 | claydoh | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/H2O-Colors?content=126011 |
| 03:05.15 | claydoh | _BS_-different: then use 'get new themes' and try some others :) |
| 03:06.01 | claydoh | _BS_-different: though some of the themes from that tool don't install or may not run correctly if they are older, I have found |
| 03:07.33 | _BS_-different | claydoh: OK, but the point is, this is a plasma theme change point? Being different than a kde desktop theme point. (Let alone how the two interact.) My guess is I have not tried changes here, and had I done so, I might have had more success and less frustration. (-: |
| 03:07.58 | Sho_ | There is no "KDE desktop theme" in KDE 4 |
| 03:08.05 | claydoh | there really isn't the classic 'desktop theme' concept anymore |
| 03:08.43 | Sho_ | In KDE 3, a "desktop theme" was a text file that contained settings for a bunch of aspects of KDE's visual appearance that can be configured individually: style engine, icon set, color scheme, fonts, and so on |
| 03:08.49 | Sho_ | this is gone in KDE 4 |
| 03:08.56 | Sho_ | you can still configure those aspects individually, however |
| 03:09.07 | claydoh | yeahm what Sho_ said :) |
| 03:09.08 | Sho_ | additionally, there's now also a workspace theme |
| 03:09.27 | Sho_ | This didn't exist in KDE 3, because KDE 3's shell components half-inherited the look of the style engine, and otherwise had a bunch of their own settings |
| 03:09.53 | Sho_ | Plasma (KDE 4's desktop shell), otoh, has its own theming system |
| 03:10.23 | Sho_ | Now, claydoh pointed you at the general workspace theme switcher |
| 03:10.37 | Sho_ | On the "Advanced" page of System Settings, there's also a "Desktop Theme Details" item |
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| 03:10.58 | Sho_ | There you can set the workspace theme on the level of individual workspace elements |
| 03:11.09 | Sho_ | Essentially creating a metatheme composed of the elements of different themes |
| 03:11.25 | Sho_ | So that you can e.g. pick the panel appearance from one theme, but have the desktop widgets use another |
| 03:12.12 | Sho_ | If you want a classic/plain workspace theme, by the way, I can recommend "Klassik", which you can find on www.kde-look.org or via the "Get New Themes" button claydoh pointed out |
| 03:12.16 | Sho_ | It looks fairly KDE 3-ish. |
| 03:12.22 | Sho_ | And is well-implemented |
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| 03:18.59 | _BS_-different | OH SURE, now throw 'widgets' into the mix! Thanks for the link. Did a search on dragon while there. Somehow I don't think http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/K-Dragon?content=27065 is going to go down too well. :-) |
| 03:20.30 | Sho_ | well, I threw widgets into the mix because both the panel and the desktop widgets are affected by the same theming system |
| 03:21.38 | _BS_ | OK. So I went where suggested. Searched air. Found air final update (plasma theme). Installed it. Close the search. air not present. Perhaps due to the 'old' air also being present. Huh? |
| 03:22.37 | _BS_ | Sho_: I was kidding. But the compendium of widgets this that and the other thing, with themes, is overwhelming at times. If 640k oughta be enough for anyone, shouldn't 16 colours be, too? |
| 03:22.38 | Sho_ | That sounds fishy - Air is the default KDE theme and bundled with releases; there are no updates of it released on www.kde-look.org (which is where the Get New Themes dialog fetches from) |
| 03:23.27 | _BS_ | Sho_: Go there, search air. You'll see the bubbles theme from kubuntu 9.x. Are you able to see what I'm talking about / mean? |
| 03:23.49 | Sho_ | Looks like someone uploaded the KDE 4.3 version of Air - http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Air++final+update+%28plasma+theme%29?content=104819 |
| 03:24.04 | Sho_ | that's bad, and should be pointed out to a kde-look.org admin for removal, probably |
| 03:24.09 | Sho_ | because that won't work with 4.4. |
| 03:26.03 | _BS_ | Sho_: Won't work because of internals, or colliding names? |
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| 03:29.18 | _BS_ | OK, see classic. Oh, and now, the taskbar is back to a light gray instead of a dark gray. <sigh> |
| 03:29.35 | Sho_ | I meant "Klassik", not sure that's the same as "classic" |
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| 03:30.13 | Sho_ | _BS_: Won't work: Mostly because a KDE 4.3 theme is insufficient from the POV of a KDE 4.4 wrt/ new theme elements KDE 4.4 makes use of, things like that |
| 03:30.17 | _BS_ | Sho_: Yeah, got that, sorry. Meant klassik. I like, and am amused by the 'k' terms, but sometimes it's all just a bit much. |
| 03:31.10 | _BS_ | Sho_: Hmm. I'm guessing the theme installer / kde-look website need to pass an additional parameter back and forth to avoid this sort of thing (in the future). |
| 03:32.01 | Sho_ | _BS_: Well, "Klassik" is a German word |
| 03:32.29 | Sho_ | same goes for some other K terms (e.g. Konversation) |
| 03:33.03 | Sho_ | another example would be KDE's raster graphics app "Krita", which is Swedish for crayon |
| 03:33.38 | Sho_ | but yeah, some others are fairly silly :) |
| 03:34.33 | _BS_ | Sho_: OK, point taken. BUT - now, not only do I have a light grey taskbar, it has no background. So all is well. Except I just changed my theme. Which hasn't kicked in yet as I haven't restarted X. Is it possible that theme changing is kicking in changes that don't take hold elsewhere? As for konversation, <sigh>, and the whole conversation with a kde 'k' makes so much sense. And krita ...... |
| 03:34.35 | _BS_ | ...ok, so the world over searches for a similar to an english word but anything that starts with a k, regardless of the language, ... |-) |
| 03:34.38 | claydoh | we *are* moving away fron the overuse of the letter K more and more :) |
| 03:35.24 | claydoh | uses Quassel for irc, for example |
| 03:35.33 | _BS_ | claydoh: Can only be because you're running out of words! I like the 'k' words, it's a sort of warm, fuzzy, this is kde, hurray, feeling. |
| 03:35.33 | Sho_ | well, KDE is a very international project, and the guy who started Konversation happened to be German, and there are plenty of Scandinavians working on Krita as well, I'm sure |
| 03:35.39 | Sho_ | claydoh: Quassel is not a KDE project |
| 03:35.48 | claydoh | :P |
| 03:36.03 | Sho_ | a better example would be Dolphin, KDE 4's new file manager |
| 03:36.06 | claydoh | Amarok, Dolphin |
| 03:36.07 | _BS_ | claydoh: Yeah, but change it to Kuassel and it's probably a shoe in. |
| 03:36.14 | claydoh | naw |
| 03:36.33 | Sho_ | ("Quassel" is actually a German word as well, btw) |
| 03:36.42 | claydoh | :) |
| 03:36.53 | _BS_ | That may be, but I can't get rid of dolphin fast enough. I remember the days when Konqueror was enough for everyone ... along with 640k, and 16 colours. |
| 03:37.13 | claydoh | German has such lovly words :) English has too may letters for the same sounds |
| 03:37.17 | Sho_ | _BS_: Theme changes should work at runtime, there should be no need to restart X. |
| 03:37.25 | _BS_ | Speaking of ... think of windows explorer's list view. Why the HECK can't I get the same think in kong? |
| 03:37.39 | Sho_ | You can. |
| 03:38.08 | claydoh | There may be a kubuntu specific bug, some themes 'lock" into place even if changed, until logoiy |
| 03:38.12 | claydoh | logout |
| 03:38.40 | _BS_ | konq icon view is NOT the same. Think 'ls'. Otherwise, PLEASE, tell me how. I've reduced icon size to smallest, and set text lines to 3, but that's as close as I've been able to come. |
| 03:39.10 | claydoh | loves dolphine, used to be hardcore konq guy |
| 03:39.31 | claydoh | and konq is still there |
| 03:39.34 | Sho_ | _BS_: Use the icon view mode and set the Arrangement to "Columns" in the settings |
| 03:39.44 | _BS_ | workspace change to klassik, and apply, makes no change in the screen. Suggestions? |
| 03:40.22 | _BS_ | Yes, but columns is one column. Not a horizontal scroll of columns. |
| 03:40.29 | claydoh | _BS_: you may have to logout, as i said I think this is a bug |
| 03:40.47 | claydoh | I see the same issue on some themes when switching |
| 03:40.54 | Sho_ | _BS_: That gets you http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=101940 |
| 03:41.10 | _BS_ | Any chance the solid light grey taskbar background I'm currently seeing is also a bug? |
| 03:43.44 | Sho_ | _BS_: Read what I wrote carefully and don't confuse it with the Columns view mode |
| 03:44.19 | claydoh | that is what I am talking about, some plasma theme seem to 'lock' into place, selecting a different one does not take effect until logout/login |
| 03:45.22 | claydoh | but II see no bug reports on this just yet |
| 03:46.10 | _BS_ | Sho_: THANK YOU! I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR YEARS FOR THAT IN KONQ! |
| 03:46.12 | _BS_ | claydoh: So ... why do I need dolphin? |
| 03:46.45 | Sho_ | You don't if you're happy with Konq. The file system views in Konqueror and Dolphin are exactly the same code anyway. |
| 03:46.46 | claydoh | you don't, but many like it a lot |
| 03:47.33 | _BS_ | Sho_: Thanks for the 'read carefully'. I knew what I was trying to find, but I appreciate the whole columns vs. icons confusion. |
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| 03:48.28 | _BS_ | claydoh: That was not just a snicker, but an honest question too. I don't want to start a flame war. Is there a concise non-flammatory explanation for why dolphin came into being / what the beef with konq was/is? |
| 03:49.13 | Sho_ | There was a desire for an application more focussed on file management and file management alone |
| 03:49.25 | Sho_ | Konqueror is a generic KPart shell |
| 03:49.36 | claydoh | I think a lot of people wanted a little less swiss-army-knife and a bit more focus on file management |
| 03:50.11 | Sho_ | (And as noted, for viewing file systems, Konqueror today uses the KParts developed for that as part of Dolphin) |
| 03:50.41 | _BS_ | Next question: When Alt-F2 (command line), I start typing, the command I want fills in. If I hit enter, or tab, or anything, the line cuts off. How do I do the 'command completion' equivalent. |
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| 03:52.29 | Sho_ | see the "Text Completion" options in the input field's context menu |
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| 03:58.04 | _BS_ | Sho_: Thanks. See that now. Don't know what the options mean, but it was set to short automatic. Tried default, and a tab does as expected now. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! |
| 03:58.21 | Sho_ | no problem |
| 04:01.18 | claydoh | heads off to bed, work beckons tomoorow morning :( |
| 04:01.50 | claydoh | maybe will also get back some typing skills then as well |
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| 04:04.36 | Sho_ | claydoh: sleep tight |
| 04:04.46 | Sho_ | is about to hop into bed as well |
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| 04:08.01 | _BS_ | Sho_, claydoh: Thank you both so much for being here tonight. I'll be following you shortly. G'nite. |
| 04:11.21 | Sho_ | _B_S_: sleep well then as well :) |
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| 06:36.52 | charlescarmichae | does anyone know how to set different activities per desktop in kde 4.5? |
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| 06:46.27 | arkascha | But whenever I try to show the bookmark toolbar it is opened (empty) for a brief second and then snatches back to invisible again. |
| 06:46.31 | arkascha | ??? |
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| 07:47.59 | Walex | MrSmith: my experience with Strigi is not good, I have switched to Recoll which is a lot better. |
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| 09:30.45 | SpeedEvil | Hello! I'm wondering if there is a way to use compositing to show shrunk windows on the screen. For example - I'd like to show a small image of a browser, as a window, along with ordinary full-sized windows. |
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| 09:40.43 | elijahbal | Hello guys. |
| 09:40.50 | elijahbal | I dont want say bad things on kde, |
| 09:41.11 | elijahbal | but konqueror is crashing every 5 minutes. |
| 09:41.18 | elijahbal | you can trust me it's exhausting. |
| 09:41.32 | mikeplus64 | What version of KDE? |
| 09:41.36 | Walex | elijahbal: likely a plugin problem. |
| 09:41.36 | mikeplus64 | And distro? |
| 09:41.57 | mikeplus64 | If you're using WebKit in Konqueror then that could be something to do with it. |
| 09:42.09 | mikeplus64 | ( last time I tried it went kaboom every however many minutes too ) |
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| 09:43.09 | elijahbal | last version 4.4.4 |
| 09:43.14 | elijahbal | archlinux |
| 09:43.27 | elijahbal | yes I will start by disabling webkit |
| 09:44.09 | elijahbal | but until now I have not been able to see html5 video in youtube. |
| 09:44.20 | elijahbal | It's basically my primary goal. |
| 09:44.20 | cb400f | don't like konq? don't use konq.. it's not like there are no alternatives |
| 09:45.12 | mikeplus64 | I'm running Arch too, Konqueror almost never crashes though when I use it ( 4.4.3 because I haven't been bothered to update ) |
| 09:45.16 | cb400f | maybe it'll work with konq+khtml+phonon-gstreamer+bleeding edge gstreamer |
| 09:45.46 | cb400f | or use opera 10.60 beta or chromium+ffmpeg 0.6 |
| 09:46.24 | elijahbal | what's about cb400f: I would prefer also use a kde browser, because epiphany/midori is not able to display pdf in a tab. |
| 09:48.26 | cb400f | so make a decision.. do you want a kde browser or do you want youtube html5 with webm support :-) |
| 09:48.33 | elijahbal | ah |
| 09:48.39 | elijahbal | I think the problem is webm support. |
| 09:48.54 | elijahbal | but epiphany use webkit and it works fine with youtube video |
| 09:49.22 | cb400f | guess they don't use qtwebkit |
| 09:49.42 | cb400f | afaik with qt 4.7 it should work (in konq and rekonq) |
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| 09:50.19 | cb400f | but it definitely works with opera 10.60 beta, and that has nice kde integration now.. now they just need a free license :-) |
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| 09:50.57 | elijahbal | cb400f: yes, but I dont have a 'qtwebkit' lib available in archlinux |
| 09:51.08 | cb400f | however, like I said.. if you have gstreamer new enough to have webm, then I think konq+khtml+phonon-gstreamer should work |
| 09:53.19 | elijahbal | I desinstalled gstreamer |
| 09:53.30 | elijahbal | because it didn't work with phonon. |
| 09:53.44 | cb400f | I'm unsure if xine will support webm with ffmpeg 0.6 |
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| 09:53.59 | cb400f | it's all so new and noone knows anything :-) |
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| 09:54.26 | cb400f | do you have the phonon vlc backend on arch? |
| 09:54.32 | cb400f | that might work too |
| 09:54.35 | elijahbal | I don't knoz |
| 09:54.44 | cb400f | but only if you use konq with khtml |
| 09:55.08 | cb400f | and have ffmpeg >= 0.6 |
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| 09:59.23 | elijahbal | In the backend, I cannot see something else than xine or gstreamer |
| 09:59.53 | cb400f | is trying if it will work |
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| 10:07.17 | cb400f | elijahbal: hmm.. according to html5test.com I still don't have webm support with konq+khtml+phonon-vlc+ffmpeg 0.6 :-( |
| 10:09.01 | elijahbal | well, so it doesn't work. |
| 10:09.15 | elijahbal | It seems that kde is late on this webm support. |
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| 10:10.41 | cb400f | webm was released as free stuff long after kde 4.4? |
| 10:11.59 | cb400f | you think IE, Safari or Firefox supports it? |
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| 10:13.41 | elijahbal | epiphany supports it. |
| 10:13.44 | elijahbal | midori also |
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| 10:14.36 | pinotree | there's nothing that "kde" needs to support |
| 10:15.20 | pinotree | when the underlying multimedia backend (xine, gstreamer, vlc, etc) used by phonon can handle webm, it will be used in phonon applications (like khtml) |
| 10:16.26 | cb400f | wishes he could find a webm file to test local playback |
| 10:16.42 | cb400f | don't understand why vlc wouldn't support it with ffmpeg 0.6 |
| 10:16.53 | pinotree | vlc alone? |
| 10:17.35 | cb400f | I can't test vlc alone without a file.. but the phonon-vlc backend doesn't support it according to html5test.. maybe that's not to be trusted either |
| 10:17.47 | weakhead | Hello. Is it possible for knetworkmanager to use store passwords in encrypted file and making kwallet NOT asking me about access password after each login? |
| 10:19.30 | pinotree | cb400f: iirc i heard about a webm version of the "elephant dream" movie |
| 10:19.46 | cb400f | looks |
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| 10:20.59 | Walex | weakhead: that sounds crazy. |
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| 10:21.36 | pinotree | weakhead: kwallet is already what you call "encrypted file" |
| 10:22.35 | weakhead | I know that |
| 10:23.15 | pinotree | if it's encrupted, you would need a password to decrypt it anyway |
| 10:23.16 | weakhead | but other apps using it don't ask for password every time I launch them |
| 10:23.33 | pinotree | because the wallet is already open? |
| 10:23.37 | weakhead | and knetworkmanager does, after every login |
| 10:23.44 | weakhead | mhm |
| 10:23.48 | weakhead | so, that's the case |
| 10:24.06 | weakhead | thanks |
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| 10:27.14 | leontopod | kde 4 fucks with my head! |
| 10:27.57 | a-st | leontopod: in a negative or positive way? :D |
| 10:28.49 | leontopod | in a kind of neutral I-want-things-like-they-were-in-KDE 3.5 way |
| 10:28.50 | leontopod | =/ |
| 10:29.08 | leontopod | I got it pretty much set up looking like KDE 3.5 |
| 10:29.23 | leontopod | just can't understand why I can't drag icons to the taskbar now =( |
| 10:29.31 | leontopod | is it because the icons are actually widgets? |
| 10:29.38 | leontopod | and you can't drag a widget to the task bar? |
| 10:30.00 | a-st | leontopod: try to unlock the taskbar :) |
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| 10:30.42 | eshat | tell leontopod about enter |
| 10:30.58 | leontopod | ooooooooooooooh how do I unlock the taskbar!? |
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| 10:33.55 | pinotree | right click on the panel → panel options → unlock? |
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| 10:46.30 | Lunac | Anyone know how I can get normal file transfer window to show under KDE4? One that shows file transfer speed, destination, and what not? |
| 10:48.36 | Lunac | Anyone? |
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| 11:00.34 | claydoh | Lunac: the normal one doesn't show that info for you, or you want to go back to the old view? |
| 11:01.42 | Lunac | All I see when I transfer/move files is a single tiny strip down in the tray, which is unmovable. It dosen't tell me any technical info. Just tells me how much time remaining. |
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| 11:02.01 | Sushiyant | how i can use vpn with knetworkmanager |
| 11:02.03 | Lunac | How do I get a window that tells me speed, time, origin and destination to show? |
| 11:03.16 | a-st | Sushiyant: you need networkmanager-vpnc installed :) |
| 11:03.47 | claydoh | Lunac: right-click on the systray-System Tray Settings-uncheck the File transfers box |
| 11:04.03 | Sushiyant | a-st: i installed it |
| 11:04.25 | Sushiyant | a-st: but i don't know how can connect it |
| 11:04.28 | claydoh | Lunac: but the normal method shows all that, the window just doesn't stay up 100% |
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| 11:05.19 | a-st | Sushiyant: did you restart networkmanager and knetworkmanager? :) |
| 11:05.34 | Sushiyant | a-st: yes |
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| 11:07.26 | a-st | Sushiyant: maybe try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient#Using%20NetworkManager |
| 11:08.34 | Lunac | excellent, that did it. thanks |
| 11:08.58 | Lunac | call me old fashioned but I like to know whats happening when I move files around |
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| 11:39.31 | MrSmith | I have a problem.. a long time ago I used kdemod, which stores its config files in .kdemod , now I use kde, config files in .kde . Kmail stores its config files in .kdemod. Because of that, nepomuk & strigi do not work. How can I change the directory where kmail stores config files? |
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| 11:45.21 | ayq | hi. I've got an ATI 5770 graphics card, using the latest Xorg 1.7 and fglrx 10.6 drivers...... glxgears works fine, yet compositing does not work.... are ATI not supported on for KDE compositing? |
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| 11:54.10 | thiago_home | ayq: xdpyinfo | grep GLX |
| 11:54.11 | thiago_home | anything? |
| 11:54.21 | ayq | glxgears works fine - 10,000 FPS |
| 11:54.27 | ayq | so I know GL is working |
| 11:54.41 | ayq | $ xdpyinfo | grep GLX |
| 11:54.42 | ayq | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.44 | ayq | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.49 | thiago_home | how about Composite? |
| 11:55.31 | ayq | in xorg.conf's "Extensions" section, I have: "Composite", "RENDER", "DAMAGE" all set to "true" or "Enable" |
| 11:55.57 | thiago_home | what does xdpyinfo say about it? |
| 11:56.10 | ayq | checking now....... |
| 11:56.21 | ayq | yes, it is listed in xdpyinfo |
| 11:56.31 | thiago_home | tail -f ~/.xsession-errors |
| 11:56.47 | thiago_home | then try to enable compositing in kwin. It will tell you why it couldn't be enabled |
| 11:56.55 | ayq | ok |
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| 11:57.39 | ayq | hum... nothing in .xsession-errors.... desktop effects dialog says "Compositing is temporarily disabled" |
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| 12:00.28 | ayq | On switching to XRender compositing then back to OpenGL, it crashed.... backtrace seems to go through libGLX.so and libpthread... |
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| 12:01.17 | ayq | no worries, the card - Radeon 5770 - must be too new or something |
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| 12:15.06 | d3x | ayq, you can always give the card to charity ;P |
| 12:15.43 | chomwitt | hi. in one of my virtual desktops right click menu doesnt appear |
| 12:16.45 | chomwitt | chomwitt: ok. i found the problem. thanks |
| 12:17.02 | ayq | d3x: you mean to myself :) |
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| 12:30.50 | MrSmith | Where can I find the wallpapers i added manually? |
| 12:31.02 | MrSmith | I want to delete some of them |
| 12:31.43 | Torch | MrSmith: try .kde/share/wallpapers |
| 12:33.44 | MrSmith | i cannot find it there |
| 12:33.55 | MrSmith | are there other places where it could be stored? |
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| 12:37.05 | chomwitt | my shutdown button doesnt work (kicker menu). hald is running. |
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| 12:44.38 | chomwitt | hi. in kde my shutdown button doest work. it was suggested to me that it's hal related. in my case hal in installed and running. could a hal reload due to an upgrade cause the problem and how can i remedie that. ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586283 ) |
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| 13:06.18 | d3x | hm... is there any app similar to gnome's cheese? i want to take a photo with my webcam, but i can't find any suitable app :/ |
| 13:06.38 | d3x | there is kamoso, but it requires vlc, so i will try to avoid it |
| 13:06.56 | d3x | (i'd rather take it with mplayer -vo png) |
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| 13:09.03 | d3x | (actually, it worked quite good :P i think i'll have to make such app if i can't find one) |
| 13:10.51 | James147 | d3x: if you willing to create one you might want to look at http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Qt+Opencv+webcam+viewer?content=89995 a QT app that displays images from the webcam on screen using opencv, its a demo app so isent too complicated and saving an image in opencv isent to hard :) |
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| 13:17.38 | d3x | James147, oh, cool ;) |
| 13:18.03 | d3x | never heard of qt-apps, btw ;P |
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| 13:43.52 | bentob0x | what's the default utility to record a sound on KDE 4 now ? I used to use krec but it's not in the repos anymore |
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| 13:48.38 | sileno | bentob0x audacity did u know audacity ? |
| 13:49.06 | sileno | is not dafault but is good |
| 13:49.37 | sileno | http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:53.11 | prathap | hi can any one tell me how to install compiz on fedora 12 |
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| 13:54.38 | Svedrin | I'm currently trying to understand KIconLoader. is there a way to get a list of all the paths it searches for icons? I wonder if I need to put them under /usr/share even while developing my app |
| 13:55.17 | sileno | prathap: dont install.. |
| 13:55.28 | sileno | why you go install compiz if you have kde ? |
| 13:55.31 | prathap | sileno: why ? |
| 13:55.44 | sileno | i installed compiaz in fedora 13.. and.. crash crash crash |
| 13:55.47 | sileno | window problem.. |
| 13:55.56 | sileno | kde is beautiful enough |
| 13:55.58 | prathap | sileno: ok |
| 13:56.04 | sileno | its my opinion... |
| 13:56.14 | sileno | but if u want to install is simple |
| 13:56.21 | sileno | » su |
| 13:56.28 | sileno | » yum install compiz |
| 13:56.29 | sileno | ... |
| 13:56.32 | prathap | ok tell me |
| 13:57.31 | thiago_home | prathap: this is #kde |
| 13:57.36 | thiago_home | use kwin, please |
| 13:57.43 | sileno | yeh.. |
| 13:57.45 | prathap | k |
| 13:57.53 | sileno | man.. u dont gonna like it.. |
| 13:57.55 | sileno | i don't |
| 13:58.03 | prathap | how ? i am new to fedora can you explain in detail |
| 13:58.23 | sileno | google.com |
| 13:58.32 | bentob0x | forgot about audacity sileno, thank you ! |
| 13:58.39 | sileno | how+to+install+conpiz+fedora+12 |
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| 13:58.45 | sileno | bentob0x: ;) |
| 13:58.51 | prathap | what is kwin |
| 13:58.52 | sileno | how+to+install+compiz+fedora+12 |
| 13:58.57 | prathap | k |
| 13:59.26 | thiago_home | prathap: why do you want to stop using kwin? |
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| 13:59.40 | sileno | thiago_home: probably he like the screen shots in web.. lol |
| 13:59.51 | sileno | using a XPTO themes.. |
| 14:00.35 | sileno | manny people forget that kde isnt gnome.. |
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| 14:00.58 | prathap | thiago_home: i didnt use kwin till now. what is it? |
| 14:01.02 | sileno | thiago_home: are u brazilian ? |
| 14:01.30 | sileno | prathap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWin |
| 14:01.49 | thiago_home | prathap: you're using kwin now. |
| 14:01.55 | thiago_home | prathap: if you are in KDE, that is. |
| 14:02.02 | thiago_home | prathap: why do you want to stop using it? |
| 14:02.04 | thiago_home | sileno: yes |
| 14:02.04 | prathap | thiago_home: no |
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| 14:02.17 | prathap | i want to install kwin now |
| 14:02.20 | thiago_home | prathap: "no" is not an answer to a "why' question |
| 14:02.28 | thiago_home | prathap: are you in KDE? |
| 14:02.33 | prathap | yes |
| 14:02.59 | thiago_home | then you're running kwin |
| 14:03.05 | thiago_home | why do you want to stop that? |
| 14:03.56 | prathap | thiago_home: i am not using kwin. i want to use kwin, how can i install kwin ? |
| 14:04.04 | thiago_home | prathap: you are using kwin |
| 14:04.15 | sileno | prathap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWin go read this please |
| 14:04.20 | thiago_home | press Alt+F3. Do you see a menu dropping down? |
| 14:04.21 | prathap | thiago_home: how to install kwin |
| 14:04.22 | sileno | then you ask |
| 14:05.54 | thiago_home | prathap: press Alt+F3. Do you see a menu dropping down? |
| 14:06.44 | prathap | wait for a min |
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| 14:12.32 | prathap | KWin is not working on my desktop |
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| 14:12.51 | prathap | i have selected all effects |
| 14:14.03 | thiago_home | and? |
| 14:15.08 | prathap | i clicked on apply and ok |
| 14:16.52 | prathap | its not working thiago_home |
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| 14:17.02 | prathap | what to do now |
| 14:19.02 | thiago_home | what isn't working? |
| 14:20.34 | prathap | i pressed alt+f2 and i typed kwin and i selected desktop effects and i clicked on enable desktop effects |
| 14:21.14 | thiago_home | and what happened? |
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| 14:21.55 | sileno | prathap: what kind of efects are u expecting ? |
| 14:22.12 | prathap | like cube effect |
| 14:22.21 | sileno | wait |
| 14:22.32 | sileno | cube effect u have to activate it |
| 14:22.34 | sileno | i guess |
| 14:22.40 | prathap | i selected all effect in the list given |
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| 14:24.51 | prathap | i got one notification i.e. it could not be activated |
| 14:24.56 | sileno | ... |
| 14:24.58 | prathap | how to active it |
| 14:25.20 | sileno | did u have the correct drivers of your graphic card ? |
| 14:25.30 | sileno | or the last kde version ? |
| 14:25.30 | prathap | i dont know |
| 14:25.33 | sileno | puff |
| 14:25.38 | prathap | i am new to linux OS |
| 14:25.41 | sileno | me too |
| 14:25.42 | sileno | :p |
| 14:25.47 | prathap | ha ha ha |
| 14:26.04 | sileno | one think you can try is install the new fedora 13.. then upgrade to the new kde 4.4.4 |
| 14:26.27 | James147 | prathap: do any of the effects work? |
| 14:26.27 | prathap | i am using kde 4.1 |
| 14:26.46 | sileno | prathap: .. better upgrade.. belive.. i did the same.. is working a lot better.. |
| 14:27.36 | prathap | James147: same error on all effect i.e. could not be activated |
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| 14:29.13 | prathap | sileno: how to activate effect |
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| 14:35.01 | James147 | prathap: you might want to consider asking your distros channel... also 4.1 is quite old now kde only really became usable at about 4.2-4.3 :) |
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| 14:38.28 | bentob0x | I have two monitors plugged on KDE 4, is it possible to have one monitor on the usual desktop and the second monitor 'fixed' on one specific desktop ? Basically the main monitor would react as usual when I switch desktops but my second monitor will stay blocked on, let's say desktop 2 ? |
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| 14:40.14 | Walex | bentob0x: so the first monitor would only show you the left half of the current desktop, and the second monitor only the right half of desktop 2? Sounds crazy to me... |
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| 14:41.06 | bentob0x | no the left monitor would show desktop 1 or 2 or 3 if I change where the right monitor would only show desktop 2 no matter what I change on the left monitor |
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| 14:41.34 | Walex | bentob0x: you don't get it. Think again. |
| 14:42.00 | Walex | bentob0x: hint: how can one monitor show a desktop that iw two monitors wide? |
| 14:42.12 | bentob0x | I want my left monitor to show desktop 1 and the second monitor to show desktop 2 |
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| 14:42.15 | bentob0x | is this possible ? |
| 14:42.48 | Walex | bentob0x: as you write it this is impossible, because you cannot show a 2-monitor wide desktop on 1 monitor. |
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| 14:44.31 | kottlett | hi! I is the KRun class not part of the kde 4 API any more? the header exists, but the api documentation misses |
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| 14:46.02 | Walex | kottlett: #KDE-devel |
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| 14:46.10 | kottlett | thx |
| 14:46.41 | wayne | is this the right place to get a hand with a crashing kde 4.4.4 desktop? |
| 14:47.30 | Walex | wayne: probably not, too much detail, and your distro channel is probably better as it is often a distro specific issue |
| 14:48.23 | wayne | can you tell me what components are involved if a minimized window crashes the whole desktop whenever i use alt-tab to open it up? |
| 14:49.08 | wayne | it's gentoo, so i can rebuild the right bits |
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| 15:14.33 | litb | hello folks |
| 15:14.43 | litb | k3b isnt developed by strueg anymore? |
| 15:16.14 | cb400f | he's not the main dev anymore at least afaik |
| 15:16.22 | cb400f | trueg is too busy with nepomuk |
| 15:16.47 | litb | oh |
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| 15:18.03 | einar77 | litb: the new main developer is Michal Malek |
| 15:18.48 | cb400f | and he seems to be doing a good job |
| 15:18.52 | litb | oh |
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| 15:21.25 | litb | ohh |
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| 17:52.23 | aar | Hi, I'm using kde4 with the desktop on folder mode. The position of the icons is lost every time I restart kde. Is there a fix ford this? (kde 4.4.2 ubuntu 10.04) |
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| 19:44.59 | pickman | Hello all. |
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| 19:46.19 | pickman | I get message "Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs Virtuoso RDF server to store its data. Installing the virtuoso Soprano plugin is mandatowy for using Nepomuk". I'm sure I have soprano installed. |
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| 19:46.53 | pickman | When I kill nepomuk server |
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| 19:47.31 | trupheenix | can anyone tell me why kopete over ssl jabber is not working? i'm trying to connect to gtalk. |
| 19:47.45 | pickman | and try to start it again. I receive message "[/usr/pkg/bin/nepomukservicestub] virtual bool Soprano::Virtuoso::BackendPlugin::isAvailable() const could not find Virtuoso ODBC driver" |
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| 19:50.06 | pickman | trupheenix: Assuming that you've done the following http://bit.ly/99LKZc, it is hard to say anymore without details (System,version etc). |
| 19:54.27 | trupheenix | pickman: ah the server name was wrong. it should be talk.google.com |
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| 20:00.14 | elijahbal | http://pastebin.com/0e7i3dvg |
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| 20:35.19 | pbunbun | Hey, I got a second monitor (actually TV), and in Windows it goes up to 1360x768 no problem, but on Linux the KDE system settings app only lets me choose 1024x768 or lower, anyone know the problem? |
| 20:35.25 | pbunbun | Or if it's even a KDE issue? |
| 20:35.49 | cb400f | what gfx card and driver? |
| 20:36.15 | pbunbun | Intel, and standard one (IIRC intel drivers are in mainline?) |
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| 20:36.30 | Freddy2 | hi |
| 20:36.34 | pbunbun | Erm, dunno exact make but can find out, it's an integrated one |
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| 20:36.50 | cb400f | intel driver only supports 2048x2048 virtual resolution |
| 20:37.58 | Freddy2 | because of sometimes getting kde frozen at splash screen (only can reboot or shutdown) i'd like to check what is going on.. is there any log file that covers this? |
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| 20:38.11 | pbunbun | Well I have 1280x1024 and 1024x768 so surely that exceeds 2048 width? |
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| 20:48.58 | saleem | hello |
| 20:49.44 | saleem | can someone please help me with the issue in this thread ? ----> http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,74869.0.html |
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| 20:57.19 | saleem | can someone please help me with the issue in this thread ? ----> http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,74869.0.html |
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| 21:09.07 | KTL2 | i upgraded to 4.4.4 and it seems plasma-desktop is gone?my desktop is black now, what binary is supposed to be run ? |
| 21:09.28 | thiago_home | plasma-desktop |
| 21:09.44 | KTL2 | mmm ... it is ... not there :) |
| 21:09.51 | KTL2 | (debian unstable 64bit) |
| 21:10.08 | thiago_home | it's part of kdebase-workspace |
| 21:10.14 | KTL2 | -bin |
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| 21:11.30 | KTL2 | mmm kdebase-workspace seems to be an empty package, the dependencies count |
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| 21:12.12 | thiago_home | kdebase-workspace's tarball is most definitely not empty |
| 21:12.18 | KTL2 | and if i grep through the contents of the current debian package kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 21:12.24 | thiago_home | what your distro does with it, that's your distro's business |
| 21:12.40 | KTL2 | then it contains a /usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/plasma-to-plasma-desktop |
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| 21:13.07 | KTL2 | myes i'm worried someone from debian has done something wrong |
| 21:13.20 | KTL2 | it's unstable after all :D |
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| 21:25.23 | spm_Draget | KDE 4.4.4 (kdebase-meta on gentoo) on core2 duo with kernel 2.6.33(amd64). When deleting a long list from a usb drive with dolphin (or disk), my mose-movement gets very jaggy and sometimes pauses for 200-500ms. KDE problem? Kernel problem? |
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| 22:32.26 | paul424 | uhh will the icon marking in kde 4.5 be fast ? :) |
| 22:34.03 | paul424 | any ideas of what will be after 4.6 version ? |
| 22:34.46 | sreich | no |
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| 22:37.52 | paul424 | sreich: its the answer to qhich question ? |
| 22:38.11 | sreich | last |
| 22:40.05 | paul424 | Are there any hardware or software solutions on horizont which would force developers to go to the kde 5 ? |
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| 22:54.40 | spm_Draget | paul424: You are asking far into the future. Feel free to dig aroudn on the mailinglists and website, thre are ideas for various future techniques. But nothing concrete, kde4 is still young. |
| 22:55.00 | paul424 | ok thx |
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| 23:21.59 | daedaluz_ | hi, is strigi getting some limitations to CPU use in 4.5? |
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| 23:31.33 | georgij92 | I really like kde wallpapers where can I get them? I dont use KDE :D |
| 23:32.05 | claydoh | georgij92: kde-look.org |
| 23:32.36 | sreich | quick! don't let him escape! |
| 23:32.42 | georgij92 | lol |
| 23:32.56 | georgij92 | I cant find the standard ones there |
| 23:33.40 | crk | hey, is there an IRC channel where I could ask about Kile |
| 23:33.54 | crk | it's a KDE app... so I thought I'd ask here |
| 23:34.24 | georgij92 | crk: what do u want to ask about? |
| 23:34.34 | georgij92 | crk: rather whats ur question? |
| 23:35.01 | crk | Kile indents stuff for me sometimes |
| 23:35.07 | crk | like when I use its autocomplete feature |
| 23:35.14 | crk | to make a enumerate/itemize block |
| 23:35.29 | crk | I want to know if there's a way in Kile to auto-indent a block/selection |
| 23:35.46 | crk | or auto-indent the entire document |
| 23:35.54 | georgij92 | crk: ok good now the ones experienced (are using KDE) can help you I am just here to steal their wallpapers |
| 23:36.04 | crk | hmm |
| 23:36.12 | crk | georgij92, do you know what Kile is :P |
| 23:36.48 | georgij92 | crk: I am not here to help you just to make u spit it out for other people to see |
| 23:37.33 | crk | georgij92: I see that now |
| 23:37.55 | georgij92 | http://chakra-project.org/ |
| 23:38.02 | georgij92 | I want theese wallpapers help plx |
| 23:38.35 | georgij92 | I want the second one from the screenie preview crappy |
| 23:39.03 | sreich | georgij92: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeartwork/ |
| 23:39.20 | georgij92 | with the curls |
| 23:40.10 | georgij92 | Muhauhaa |
| 23:40.32 | georgij92 | I stole it, it is mine for the taking! |
| 23:40.54 | sreich | now you are legally required to try out kde |
| 23:41.02 | sreich | ;-p |
| 23:43.32 | georgij92 | ~I have aldready basiclly it's for people who like lots and lots of crap... I rather use xmonad or something like it. Lightweight.. plx |
| 23:43.33 | apt | You have aldready basiclly it's for people who like lots and lots of crap... I rather use xmonad or something like it. Lightweight.. plx? |
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