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01:20.36 | Izinucs | Time tracker is a good additon to Kontact.. however in it's stand alone mode it remembers and reopens the last timer.. will it still do that and if so how? |
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01:36.40 | egns | where's the option for switching konqueror to webkit? |
01:39.29 | Sho_ | if you have the webkit kpart installed, yes |
01:39.41 | egns | ah - ok |
01:39.47 | Sho_ | you have to go to file associations in system settings and set the embedded viewer for text/html & co from khtml to webkit |
01:40.05 | egns | ok |
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01:48.26 | Izinucs | what's a kde version of audacity? |
01:48.33 | Izinucs | something simple and similar |
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02:13.29 | Moult | i've been looking at the 4.5 feature plan, http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.5_Feature_Plan and now that kde 4.5 beta1 is out i'd expect much more to be marked as DONE. I understand some actually are done but just out of date, but this does look a bit dodgy - are all of these features really expected to be finished by the final 4.5 release date? |
02:19.29 | Sho_ | IMHO the feature plan stuff has never workd |
02:19.31 | Sho_ | *worked |
02:20.07 | Sho_ | in terms of people not keeping them updated |
02:20.15 | Sho_ | some of the things listed as "IN PROGRESS" there I recognize as being DONE, though |
02:20.36 | Sho_ | e.g. "Adds support for SHELL_SESSION_ID" in Konsole |
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02:22.09 | Jucato | there was a call in the mailing list to update that page. if you look at the history, a few have indeed updated it, but not everything. so it's not really a reliable document for end users. it's more like a whiteboard checklist for developers (and those who will be writing up the release announcement) |
02:22.55 | Sho_ | actually more or less the only reason developers care a little about that document these days is because after soft feature freeze you can only work on things that are already in the plan |
02:23.44 | Sho_ | before that rule was drawn up, the plan document was largely ignored, so you had things in there that were years old and already done or already irrelevant and just got copies from release plan to plan as time went on |
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02:24.00 | Sho_ | *copied |
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06:30.58 | Corrine | Where's the best place to go for help with Amarok? |
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06:34.22 | cb400f | or ask here |
06:35.05 | Corrine | What would cause Amarok to not be able to edit the tags for an album (the whole album, not just one song) |
06:35.11 | Ganymede | i'm using kde apps inside a gnome desktop environment...i set the cursor theme i want in gnome but how can i ask KDE apps to not set their own cursor theme when my cursor hovers into their window area? |
06:35.13 | Corrine | asks in both, just for the heck of it |
06:35.40 | cb400f | what version? .. maybe you don't have write permission for the files? |
06:35.45 | Ganymede | (should i provide more information? like version number?) |
06:35.51 | Corrine | No, I checked that, I can write |
06:36.08 | Corrine | version 2.3.0 |
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06:42.13 | deitarion | Does anyone have a solution for "After about a week, mouse clicks start getting ignored" aside from "Stop using KDE", "Downgrade to 4.3.x", or "Log out and back in"? |
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06:44.20 | Corrine | Hmm, it can't seem to read them either, I can edit them with a different program |
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06:57.44 | ryoohki | how do i remove widgets i don't want? openoffice's quick start, gmix( the gnome mixer), and yum package update applet have no visible means to remove permenently from appearing on start up on my panel. |
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07:11.23 | Bernd_B | what i need to do to get a new clean .kde for an existing user, only delet old .kde directory? |
07:12.11 | Ganymede | keep in mind that your emails are inside .kde if you use kmail |
07:12.55 | Ganymede | and your korganizer events and everything... |
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07:22.15 | Bernd_B | Ganymede: yes thx, problem is kde crashes allways! during start and i am not able to fix it |
07:22.29 | Bernd_B | i saved the emails |
07:23.21 | Bernd_B | the applications just work fine if i am using them from another desktop environment |
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07:23.52 | Bernd_B | is all i need to do moving or deleting .kde? |
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07:24.31 | Ganymede | yeah, maybe you should just move .kde to like .kde-backup and log out and log in and see if that fixed it, and then start selectively moving things from your old .kde into your new one |
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07:24.44 | Ganymede | but make sure you have a backup of the actual .kde directory and not just a symlink |
07:25.04 | Ganymede | if i remember correctly, .kde used to be a symlink to .kde4 but i'm not sure if that's still the case |
07:25.47 | Ganymede | if it still crashes with a fresh .kde, move your .kde-backup back to .kde because the problem is probably elsewhere |
07:28.32 | Bernd_B | Ganymede: maybe made something wrong with with moving .kde and .kde4 before, but i have backup of emails |
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07:36.28 | Bernd_B | Ganymede: hm, kde just crashing, other users working fine |
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07:40.55 | Ganymede | Bernd_B, i don't know about that...but i got to go to sleep now, sorry |
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08:09.09 | Kottizen | Where can I find the default wallpapers in KDE 3.*? |
08:09.19 | Moult | can somebody test what might be a bug in kmail? on the message list, right click on the column headers and add the "action item" column. now drag the column such that it's the first column. select a couple emails as action items, close kmail, restart. is it still the first column? |
08:10.25 | Moult | Kottizen: kde 3? |
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08:11.37 | Kottizen | yes |
08:12.30 | DDevine | Kottizen: The wallpapers aren't stored in a KDE directory, they are in a system directory IIRC> |
08:13.07 | DDevine | in /usr/share/wallpapers |
08:13.08 | Moult | Kottizen: /usr/share/wallpapers perhaps? |
08:13.13 | Kottizen | Thanks. |
08:14.00 | Kottizen | What I'm actually looking for is the wallpaper "We are gear", as were present in KDE 3.*. Someone who has it? |
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08:14.30 | DDevine | Should be on kdelook.org |
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08:15.09 | Kottizen | Thanks. |
08:15.50 | Kottizen | Nope. |
08:16.04 | Moult | hey i heard koffice 2.2 was released. how is it in terms of funtionality and whatever compared to openoffice these days? last time i tried it i couldn't even create a table easily in kword. |
08:16.32 | Kottizen | I'll download Kubuntu 8.04, burn it and try to get it from there. |
08:16.34 | Kottizen | Thanks guys. |
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08:17.11 | Moult | Kottizen: ouch, don't do that |
08:17.38 | Moult | Kottizen: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19064 |
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08:23.35 | Bernd_B | how can i create new clean working .kde (from sekelton?) |
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08:28.01 | Moult | Bernd_B: just move it. it will be created again. |
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08:48.53 | ryoohki | how do i remove unwanted applets in my panel that have no obvious way to remove them permantly. i have gmix( the gnome mixer), openoffice quick starter, and the apt-get package update applet that i want to remove |
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08:50.32 | cb400f | neither of those sounds like they have anything to do with kde |
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08:53.30 | ryoohki | cb400f: the applet dock( panel) has no apparent way to remove some applets. |
08:54.07 | cb400f | it's not the job of the panel or systray to remove that.. it can hide them.. but that's pointless |
08:54.18 | cb400f | you need to tell those fuckers to stop auto-starting |
08:54.29 | cb400f | prolly via right click -> configure.. or so |
08:54.43 | cb400f | or uninstall them.. or whatever |
08:55.03 | ryoohki | cb400f: sure, but how? they aren't even in the running applet list |
08:55.15 | cb400f | they are not kde applets |
08:55.17 | ryoohki | cb400f: you would think |
08:55.26 | ryoohki | cb400f: i see |
08:55.35 | cb400f | they are independent standalone systray thingies |
08:55.54 | ryoohki | cb400f: at least you can right click openoffice and select quit but it just comes back |
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08:56.16 | cb400f | it would be very strange if it didn't have a setting to disable autostart |
08:56.21 | ryoohki | cb400f: the apt-get tool is the worst, there seems to be no way to remove it at all |
08:56.30 | cb400f | .. but strange things happen.. regardless.. kde != OOo |
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08:56.49 | ryoohki | cb400f: sure but there must be a startup list somewhere |
08:56.59 | ryoohki | cb400f: that kde uses when you login |
08:57.00 | cb400f | apt-get tools and gmixer also != kde |
08:57.20 | ryoohki | cb400f: yes, but kde starts them when i login |
08:57.31 | cb400f | ask your distro |
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08:57.50 | cb400f | they prolly have .desktop files in /usr/share/autostart/ or so |
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08:58.44 | ryoohki | cb400f: hmm never heard of that filesystem locvation |
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09:03.20 | zeld | hi all :) |
09:04.00 | zeld | kde 4.4.3 support devicekit or only hal??? |
09:04.35 | zeld | solid in particular i mean :) |
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09:12.27 | Bernd_B | Moult: just moved, but kde still crash during start |
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09:28.45 | Moult | Bernd_B: get into a vt, and startx there. see what errors it gives. |
09:28.54 | Moult | Bernd_B: does it work with a fresh user with identical perms? |
09:30.18 | Bernd_B | Moult: all other user work fine, i can create a new user too |
09:30.45 | |tomiondrums| | hey guys! i'm wondering which of the desktop effects has the windows being maximized when i hit them at the upper border of the screen. is there a chance to configure its behaviour? |
09:30.57 | Bernd_B | other desktop environments work, applications itself too |
09:31.44 | Moult | Bernd_B: ok. get into a vt, (ctrl-alt-f1), and startx there. |
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09:34.55 | gianrico | elisa-vadot@live.fr |
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09:42.07 | Bernd_B | ok |
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09:49.43 | xexio | jhi |
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09:58.07 | Kottalizer | I would like to know why I have to press SHIFT + ALT + F12 each time I login to activate the effects. I didn't need that before I installed the drivers of the video card, but now I have to. Why? |
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10:08.56 | Kottalizer | And another question, is "plasmoid" the same as a desktop widget? |
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10:20.44 | Torch | Kottalizer: a plasmoid is a desktop widget, yes. |
10:20.58 | Kottalizer | Torch: Thank you. |
10:21.04 | Kottalizer | I'm trying to make my own. o_O |
10:21.44 | Torch | Kottalizer: writing a plasmoid? |
10:22.02 | Kottalizer | Torch: Found a tutorial, but when I'm trying to compile I get this: http://pastebin.ca/1873772 |
10:22.10 | Kottalizer | Following: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted#Abstract |
10:22.29 | Torch | Kottalizer: install the kdelibs devel package |
10:23.09 | Kottalizer | Torch: Ok. |
10:23.12 | Kottalizer | *Installing* |
10:26.47 | Kottalizer | Torch: Got this error now: http://pastebin.ca/1873773 |
10:27.07 | Kottalizer | I'm using KDE 4.4.2. |
10:27.25 | Torch | Kottalizer: that's the same as before. |
10:27.47 | Kottalizer | Torch: Oh, you're right. The kdelibs-dev-package didn't change anything. |
10:28.09 | Kottalizer | I'll restart my session - brb. |
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10:29.16 | Kottalizer | Hello again, let's see if it works now. |
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10:29.31 | Kottalizer | No, it doesn't. |
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10:30.47 | Kottalizer | Torch: Do you have time to use VNC and check if you can solve it? |
10:31.50 | Torch | Kottalizer: sorry, no. |
10:32.16 | Kottalizer | Torch: Ok, thank you anyways. Is there anything else I might worth try to fix it? |
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10:32.30 | Torch | Kottalizer: what does this command produce: "dpkg -S FindKDE4Internal.cmake" |
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10:32.47 | Kottalizer | kottizen@POLAPC-03:~/teeworlds-widget$ sudo dpkg -S FindKDE4Internal.cmake |
10:32.47 | Kottalizer | dpkg: *FindKDE4Internal.cmake* not found. |
10:33.19 | Torch | Kottalizer: you're on kubuntu, if you have the kdelibs-devel package installed you'd have that file now. install the kdelibs devel package. make sure it's the right one. |
10:33.28 | pinotree | what if you install the kdelibs development package for kde4? |
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10:33.51 | Torch | Kottalizer: try this "sudo apt-get install kdelibs5-dev" |
10:34.10 | Kottalizer | Torch: Oh, I took just kdelibs-dev before. |
10:34.15 | Kottalizer | Let's try with kdelibs5-dev. |
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10:36.13 | Kottalizer | pinotree: Thank you too, didn't see your sentence. |
10:36.28 | Kottalizer | Works now, thank you guys! |
10:38.01 | Kottalizer | http://img571.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopfo9245.jpg <-- Look how fancy! =] |
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10:39.07 | Torch | Kottalizer: very nice ;-) |
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10:44.33 | Kottalizer | In the help-documents, there are a word-list. Why are the word "GNOME" in there? |
10:44.57 | thiago_home | why not? |
10:45.15 | Kottalizer | I thought GNOME "konquered" with KDE? |
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10:55.10 | |tomiondrums| | which of the desktop effects has the windows being maximized when i hit them at the upper border of the screen. |
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11:06.08 | Kottalizer | Hello again. Is there someone out there who knows why I can't see any background-picture? I'm using the example code, with a little modification. |
11:06.19 | Kottalizer | http://pastebin.ca/1873781 |
11:06.41 | Kottalizer | Line 15 |
11:07.20 | Kottalizer | Should it be like that, if there'a a .svg-file in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/oxygen/widgets/tee.svg ? |
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11:15.30 | Torch | Kottalizer: try #plasma or #lkde-devel for questions like that |
11:15.39 | Kottalizer | Okey. |
11:15.57 | Kottizen | Kottalizer: Good. |
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11:32.43 | paul424 | uhh is hte newest beta "useable " ? |
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11:46.25 | thiago_home | yes |
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12:31.47 | jcolby | I just compile KDE 4.5 beta 1 and now my plasma settings are not being saved. I tried deleting my ~.kde/share/apps/plasma*, but everytime I log back in my settings are lost. Any idea? |
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12:32.17 | shepherd | Hey people, I'm trying to make my effects function as quickly as possible, which options should I choose? ( Referring to options in Desktop Effects: OpenGL mode, Texture Filder, Enable Direct Rendering, Use VSync ) |
12:32.25 | shepherd | Filter * |
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12:33.52 | annma | jcolby: type kde4-config --localprefix in a terminal and hit return |
12:33.58 | annma | jcolby: paste what you get |
12:36.16 | jcolby | jcolby@jcolby-lx ~ $ kde4-config --localprefix |
12:36.17 | jcolby | /home/jcolby/.kde/ |
12:38.21 | annma | so backup /home/jcolby/kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
12:38.28 | annma | then add an applet |
12:38.43 | annma | backup == rename |
12:38.52 | jcolby | annma: OK |
12:39.03 | annma | then diff plasma-desktop-appletsrc and the backup |
12:39.24 | annma | if nothing had been changed then you don't have enough permissions or something |
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12:40.47 | devine | cd #gpg |
12:40.49 | devine | oops |
12:41.14 | annma | devine: use /join |
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12:41.23 | devine | annma: I know |
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12:41.31 | devine | I'm just tired |
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12:42.13 | jcolby | annma: looks like there was a difference between the two files |
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12:44.15 | shepherd | Is there a hotkey to hide the panel(s) ? ( Or is his configurable ) ? |
12:44.19 | shepherd | this* |
12:44.39 | annma | shepherd: click on the small logo on the right of the panel |
12:44.48 | annma | you'll get some config settings |
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12:45.15 | shepherd | annma: Right, but I don't want to hide it all the time, but only when I need to ( running a WINE app for example is a common time ) |
12:46.56 | Moult | can anybody help translate exactly what this guy is requesting? http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea88121_page1 and http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea88090_page1 |
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12:49.58 | gulash | hey kde minimum requirements are 512 ram and some kinda of processor that i have but i have just 256 ram could i use kde like make lower graphics or something? |
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12:55.35 | InvaderZim | Why after my upgrade to Lucid, when I click on a HD disk Dolphin asks for a password? In 9.04 and 9.10 it didn't, it mounted automagically without tweaking fstab. |
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12:57.15 | InvaderZim | I realized policykit was gone, but when I try to install policykit-kde from kpackagekit, it tells me it needs to remove kubuntu-desktop ??? |
12:57.48 | InvaderZim | Since this is #kde, it also tried to remove kde-workspace |
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13:07.25 | RiotingPacifist | konqueror opens folders in new windows, even though it is set not to |
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13:08.26 | pumphaus | InvaderZim: better ask the ubuntu guys... not really KDE's fault I guess |
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13:16.22 | dajoker | Has anybody seen how to cause arrows to show up within KDE as shown in the following link: http://i50.tinypic.com/9baqh5.jpg |
13:17.34 | dajoker | I want to know how to enable/disable the feature at will rather than accidentally. |
13:17.58 | pinotree | curious... some desktop effect, perhaps? |
13:20.41 | dajoker | that's what I'm assuming, yes. Could be useful for presenting or just showing a section where you are currently, but I can't find it. |
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13:21.19 | dajoker | I haven't found anything searching around. |
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13:22.14 | balazsbela | hey all |
13:22.57 | balazsbela | I have a problem, so I messed up my laptop keyboard by spilling liquid on it, I bought an external keyboard,it worked with kde but now it stopped working. |
13:23.05 | balazsbela | It works in gnome |
13:23.07 | balazsbela | and under windows |
13:23.32 | balazsbela | now I'm in gnome, the keyboard, (nor the external nor the laptop keyboard) doesn't work under kde |
13:23.36 | balazsbela | I mean |
13:23.40 | balazsbela | I can type anything |
13:23.50 | balazsbela | but it doesn't appear only if I hold the keys for a long time |
13:24.17 | balazsbela | I have kde 4.4 |
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13:26.00 | katoda | hi, how can I forbid KUniqueApplication to do a fork()? |
13:26.13 | katoda | I need to run a Google Profiler on Kopete and it forks :/ |
13:26.27 | pinotree | pass --nofork to the first instance |
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13:26.51 | balazsbela | any ideas ? |
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13:27.15 | katoda | pinotree: thx! |
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13:28.44 | balazsbela | I need help |
13:28.45 | balazsbela | plz |
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13:30.29 | icwiener | balazsbela: It is tradition to just ask your question instead of asking if you could ask your question. If someone knows to help you, that someone will speak up. |
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13:30.55 | balazsbela | I already asked. My keyboard won't work in KDE |
13:31.07 | balazsbela | I'm in gnome right now, keys don't get detected only if I hold them |
13:31.17 | balazsbela | there could be some key stucked |
13:31.21 | icwiener | Whoops, sorry, it did sound like it. :) |
13:31.31 | balazsbela | on the laptop keyboard. but it |
13:31.36 | balazsbela | 's not stuck now. |
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14:00.19 | kaie | hello. what is the name of the tool to configure the fonts used by KDE for the menu bar etc.? |
14:00.24 | kaie | kde 4.4.3 |
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14:02.00 | tuxick | lo |
14:02.03 | kaie | alternatively, what's the name of the "control center" executable? (I'm using gnome desktop, but need to tweak some settings for kde applications) |
14:02.10 | Torch | kaie: systemsettings |
14:02.14 | Torch | kaie: you'll find the fonts there |
14:02.17 | tuxick | where did that nice "clear input box" icon/button go? |
14:02.31 | pumphaus | kaie: systemsettings? |
14:02.57 | kaie | Torch, pumphaus thanks a lot! |
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14:26.23 | InvaderZim | Please HELP anyone? Fresh Lucid Install login fails. See here for details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-savage/+bug/584674 |
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14:27.08 | InvaderZim | It's KDM related |
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14:29.57 | pinotree | InvaderZim: from the xorg logs, all it seems is a problem of the savage driver |
14:30.30 | InvaderZim | pinotree: but as I said, previous installations (9.10 and 9.04), and previous KDE's, it never occurred a problem with it |
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14:30.55 | pinotree | previous installation had an older xorg and savage driver than now? |
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14:31.14 | pinotree | try using the vesa driver, instead of savage |
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14:31.25 | InvaderZim | I tried, the computer hangs forever in a black screen |
14:31.41 | InvaderZim | hangs before opening KDM |
14:32.31 | pinotree | hard to say anything without logs |
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14:32.57 | InvaderZim | pinotree: you mean logs from the vesa freeze? |
14:33.01 | pinotree | yes |
14:33.07 | InvaderZim | hmmm will do |
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15:13.42 | InvaderZim | pinotree: check there |
15:13.59 | InvaderZim | pinotree: I've sent the log with the vesa driver, nothing interesting anyway |
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15:24.17 | InvaderZim | oh bugger |
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15:33.48 | bertodsera | Hi all! I'm having a weird problem in compiling attica (KDE 4.4) as per http://pastebin.com/86mKDgd8 has anyone seen this before? |
15:34.31 | pinotree | yes, use attica 0.1.3 |
15:35.38 | bertodsera | thanks! |
15:36.21 | buscher | with kde-4.5b1 all my systray rightclick menus are gone, how can I fix it? (leftclick works fine) |
15:36.25 | bertodsera | wait, you mean libattica? |
15:36.29 | pinotree | yes |
15:36.58 | bertodsera | got to find it, I guess, gentoo only has 0.1.1 |
15:38.50 | alin | bertodsera: what distro? |
15:39.03 | pinotree | gentoo, he said |
15:39.45 | alin | pinotree: not buscher gentoo is bertodsera |
15:40.10 | pinotree | you asked bertodsera :) |
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15:41.10 | bertodsera | alin: gentoo |
15:41.13 | alin | pinotree: stupud me |
15:41.22 | alin | buscher: what distro? |
15:41.28 | buscher | alin: gentoo :) |
15:41.45 | bertodsera | a bad case of "waited too long before going emerge --update" and now I'm having a LOAD of fun |
15:42.40 | alin | buscher: probably you have some old version of qtbusmenu or something like that |
15:43.17 | buscher | dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt-0.3.2-r1 |
15:43.19 | buscher | sounds new |
15:43.32 | buscher | ok there is a 0.3.3 |
15:45.03 | alin | buscher: you see git it a try and check out the new 4.4.81 |
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15:45.14 | alin | git=give |
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15:46.52 | buscher | guess I need to restart/relogin to see the dbusmenu-qt update effect? |
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15:48.44 | alin | buscher: yap |
15:49.19 | buscher | ok, will reboot when the download is finished ;-) |
15:50.42 | alin | buscher: let us know |
15:51.36 | buscher | alin: I will, but be patient, the download is big |
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16:01.59 | n8w_ | ive updated to the latest kde but after the reboot kde loads up with this error: Executable: kdeinit4 PID: 1783 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault) |
16:01.59 | n8w_ | it also says smth about plasma workspace... |
16:02.00 | n8w_ | anyone? |
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16:14.05 | buscher | alin: rightclick menus work again after 0.3.3 update, but with very strange sideeffects |
16:14.21 | alin | buscher: like? |
16:15.44 | buscher | righclickt to open a menu -> move mouse over a menu point with submenu -> move mouse away from menu -> click the last selected submenu appears |
16:15.47 | buscher | @ alin |
16:16.10 | buscher | -> click somewhere else -> the last selected submenu appears |
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16:17.44 | alin | buscher: does that happen on kmail? |
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16:17.53 | alin | buscher: or anything from kontact? |
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16:18.09 | buscher | uh, never used kmail systray icon, let me try |
16:19.14 | buscher | were can I enable the systray icon in kmail? |
16:19.47 | buscher | ah found it |
16:21.05 | buscher | alin: hm no, kmail menu behave completly different, but note that I am using kmail-4.4.3 because of the lack of kdepim-runtime in kde-4.4.80 |
16:21.49 | alin | buscher: I get something like you describe with 4.4.81 but do not worry you will get used fast |
16:22.44 | buscher | used? |
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16:30.52 | alin | buscher: in a while you will not consider it a side effect |
16:31.24 | buscher | I consider it as a bug now |
16:32.09 | buscher | I have 4 systray items, with 3 different kind of menus, not so great :/ |
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16:35.52 | buscher | well at least I have menus ;-) |
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16:47.10 | lamefun | Why does Strigi index deleted and trashed folders and find deleted files? |
16:48.51 | nordmoen | Does anyone have a tutorial for how to setup Kdevelop4? |
16:50.24 | sreich | no but what's difficult about it? |
16:50.27 | sreich | it requires no setup |
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16:50.45 | sreich | you install it, if you want to e.g. open a kde project you click open project and open the cmake file |
16:51.51 | nordmoen | well, I have made a new project from a cmake template and I can't execute it |
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16:52.32 | sreich | ah |
16:53.28 | InvaderZim | Please HELP anyone? Fresh Lucid Install login fails. See here for details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-savage/+bug/584674 |
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16:56.00 | sreich | InvaderZim: #ubuntu ... |
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16:56.32 | InvaderZim | sreich: already asked |
16:56.39 | InvaderZim | sreich: since its KDM related |
16:56.41 | InvaderZim | asked here |
16:59.08 | InvaderZim | Does KDE 4.4.2 network manager is working with hidden wlans? |
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17:01.06 | nordmoen | sreich: do you have a guide for how to configure launches? |
17:01.22 | sreich | no, sorry |
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17:10.11 | Absolute0 | Did the windows snap feature appear on kde before or after windows 7? |
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17:12.46 | icwiener | Absolute0: After. It came with KDE 4.4, iirc. |
17:14.04 | Absolute0 | oh cool |
17:14.12 | Absolute0 | i wish gnome had the same feature |
17:14.20 | Absolute0 | couldn't find anything on google |
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17:15.55 | sreich | Absolute0: just don't use gnome and there's no problem ;-) |
17:16.19 | Absolute0 | :) |
17:16.50 | Absolute0 | kde is compiling in gentoo... |
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17:17.01 | sreich | yay :) |
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17:17.22 | icwiener | case closed |
17:17.25 | icwiener | :) |
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17:19.25 | Absolute0 | Why has ubuntu chosen to use gnome by default? |
17:20.29 | pinotree | i guess #ubuntu is a better channel for this question |
17:20.59 | Absolute0 | right |
17:21.07 | Absolute0 | anyways i am gonna go |
17:21.09 | Absolute0 | thanks |
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17:43.55 | bubshait | what is the standard (i.e. most stable) frontend for network-manager? knetworkmanager or the plasma widget? |
17:44.19 | sreich | I think the plasma widget works well, from what I've heard |
17:47.01 | bubshait | will give it a shot |
17:47.18 | bubshait | I had tried it a while back and it used to be really bad |
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18:51.42 | ekkis | hei guys, I've locked the widgets on my task bar and now I don't know how to unlock them! help! |
18:51.57 | shadeslayer | ekkis: just click on the cashew and on settings |
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18:52.12 | ekkis | but there is no cashew. it disappeared |
18:52.31 | shadeslayer | ekkis: eep... what about the other one on the desktop? |
18:52.42 | sreich | or right click the desktop |
18:53.02 | ekkis | oh... I get it |
18:53.17 | ekkis | ok, never mind. I was looking for the cashew on the taskbar |
18:53.25 | ekkis | but the desktop cashew is there |
18:53.26 | ekkis | cool |
18:53.29 | ekkis | thanks |
18:53.39 | sreich | yeah, the cashew on the panels are only visible when widgets are unlocked |
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18:55.14 | Santyago | Hello, kdelibs is broken ? (qt-4.7-b1) http://pastebin.com/nZgWa1Fq |
18:55.59 | ekkis | is there any way I can control the location of widgets in the taksbar? |
18:56.13 | ekkis | they all align to the left and I'd like some things on the right |
18:56.22 | sreich | you can insert spacers |
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18:56.31 | sreich | and with the panel settings window open you can click/drag them aroudn |
18:56.35 | ekkis | oh, I see |
18:56.39 | ekkis | thx |
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18:58.50 | Cool_C | hello! i recently upgraded to slackware 13.1 (kde 4.4.3). i have the taskbar at the top of the screen set to autohide. after the upgrade this panel seem to override any program settnigs to be "on top" - that is the panel activate even if it's covered by all fullscreen program |
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18:59.35 | Cool_C | any way to fix this besides disabling the panel? |
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19:03.44 | Santyago | anybody ? |
19:04.01 | ekkis | I used to have a widget to switch desktops. I don't find the widget now... clue anyone? |
19:04.47 | sreich | ekkis: you removed it? |
19:05.21 | ekkis | something happen and my whole system lost a lot of its settings |
19:05.29 | ekkis | so I lost the widget and now I can't find it |
19:05.43 | ekkis | also, my multiple desktops are not working |
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19:10.50 | XGaryG | Is there a KDE equivelant of seahorse? for handling SSH or PGP keys? |
19:11.21 | Cool_C | yes, kgpg |
19:11.44 | XGaryG | Thanks |
19:11.49 | Cool_C | not sure about ssh keys, but it does pgp anyway |
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19:15.11 | ekkis | hei guys, there is a widget that shows my multiple desktops on the taskbar... I lost it and now I can't find it... is it a setting somewhere and not an actual widget? |
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19:16.04 | arrenlex | When the urgent hint is set, right now the taskbar button gets a little shinier and has a little border drawn around it. This is 100% impossible to notice. Where can I change the way urgent taskbar buttons look? |
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19:16.42 | sreich | I know, that's the one aspect I hate about Air |
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19:16.51 | sreich | arrenlex: either change the theme or modify the svgz files |
19:17.53 | arrenlex | sreich: I wasn't even on air... can you recommend a theme with more reasonable notifications? |
19:18.09 | sreich | really? which one were you on? |
19:18.15 | sreich | no, I only use air |
19:18.16 | arrenlex | sreich: Aya |
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19:19.41 | bluesceada | okular has a strange bug for me |
19:19.49 | bluesceada | if i use the keys for "next page" "previous page" |
19:20.05 | bluesceada | the next page always scrolls right first, then gets offset by 1/2 a page forward |
19:20.40 | bluesceada | if i open a document and stay "next page" pressed until the whole document through, I can view it normally afterwards using the next page keys |
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19:20.54 | bluesceada | it just happens the first time a page was scrolled to by "next page" |
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19:21.06 | bluesceada | but it's very stupid to have to go through the document first after having it opened...... |
19:21.13 | bluesceada | anyone else can confirm that bug (for pdf) |
19:21.18 | bluesceada | kde 4.4.3 |
19:21.42 | bluesceada | or maybe somebody knows about it being fixed in a more recent version / svn ? |
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19:25.15 | ekkis | anyone? I can't figure out how to enable a widget to show my multiple desktops... I lost it and now I can't find it |
19:25.44 | sreich | ekkis: just add a new "pager" |
19:26.32 | ekkis | what is a pager? I found that suggestion through a google search but I don't know what it means |
19:26.38 | ekkis | is it a type of widget? |
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19:26.52 | arrenlex | ekkis: Right-click on the panel, go to panel options -> add widgets. Search for 'pager'. |
19:27.10 | arrenlex | ekkis: It'll have a square for each workspace. You can click the square to go to that workspace. |
19:27.34 | bluesceada | wait no, it scrolls 1/2 a page back..... |
19:27.38 | sreich | ekkis: yes, it's a widget |
19:27.47 | ekkis | ahh!!! |
19:28.08 | ekkis | I had seen it but didn't recognise it. it's weird that it doesn't look the same once it's on the panel |
19:28.11 | ekkis | thanks! |
19:28.18 | sreich | what do you mean? |
19:28.45 | sreich | oh, you mean that thet icon completely doesn't represent what it looks like |
19:28.48 | ekkis | I mean that on the menu where I get to select this "pager" it looks one way and once it's been added to the panel it looks different |
19:28.56 | ekkis | it looks like 4 little windows |
19:29.05 | sreich | yeah, I think that's one of the things we really want to fix |
19:29.16 | sreich | i.e. take screenshots of each one and make them the icon for it |
19:29.17 | arrenlex | bluesceada: Doesn't happen for me... what zoom are you using for okular? |
19:29.22 | bluesceada | 100% |
19:29.32 | bluesceada | it always scrolls correctly |
19:29.39 | bluesceada | then it takes half a second and scrolls half a page back |
19:29.55 | ekkis | I wouldn't have spent 1/2 hr looking for it if I had recognised it. also "pager" doesn't mean much. if it were called "Multiple Desktops" or something like that I might still have found it |
19:30.00 | bluesceada | pdf file btw |
19:30.09 | arrenlex | bluesceada: are you clicking the 'next page' button in the toolbar or using some keyboard key? |
19:30.10 | zeke | ooo KDE finally got sexy tooltips |
19:30.16 | arrenlex | bluesceada: One particular PDF file or all of them? |
19:30.18 | bluesceada | keyboard key |
19:30.23 | sreich | ekkis: yeah, pager is a weird name for it |
19:30.25 | bluesceada | every pdf i've tried |
19:30.31 | ekkis | thanks so much |
19:30.32 | bluesceada | maybe 20 ... always happening |
19:30.33 | arrenlex | bluesceada: What key? Page down? |
19:30.48 | bluesceada | no wait it also happens with the keys in the gui |
19:31.06 | bluesceada | no custom defined, using XF86Forward and XF86Backward |
19:31.11 | sreich | ekkis: fyi, you could have searched the widgets for "virtual desktops" or just "desktops" |
19:31.16 | bluesceada | but also happens with the gui keys... |
19:31.26 | bluesceada | and i now page up/down is designed to do something else |
19:31.27 | sreich | the search function looks for descriptions as well as names |
19:31.31 | bluesceada | s/now/know |
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19:32.21 | bluesceada | arrenlex: it also happens sometimes when clicking the thumbnails |
19:32.43 | arrenlex | bluesceada: At 100%, are the pages bigger than the window? |
19:33.44 | bluesceada | strange is that when having the page viewed and using previous page and then next page again, it won't happen |
19:33.44 | bluesceada | any clue if this is a okular or something else bug ? |
19:33.48 | bluesceada | no |
19:33.54 | bluesceada | it first scrolls correctly |
19:34.02 | bluesceada | then takes half a second to scroll 1/2 page back |
19:34.08 | bluesceada | at any page size |
19:34.47 | bluesceada | not happens when doing previous page, only next page |
19:35.50 | bluesceada | it's very annoying that it not happens always, then you go to the next page, think it's ok for half a second, and then it scrolls back 1/2 -.- |
19:36.25 | bluesceada | anyway good that I still have kpdf.... |
19:37.21 | arrenlex | bluesceada: Don't know what to tell you. Definitely doesn't happen here with okular 0.10.3. |
19:37.33 | bluesceada | wait |
19:37.55 | bluesceada | arrenlex: i also have that okular version... |
19:38.22 | bluesceada | then it must be a bug in some library or some very strange setting I cant find |
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19:38.57 | bluesceada | what is okular using to render pdfs? at least something worse than kpdf (there are also some not correct things when displaying some pdfs, but that is not too important) |
19:39.18 | pinotree | it is the other way round |
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19:39.52 | bluesceada | huh? |
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19:40.09 | bluesceada | anyway, what does it use? |
19:40.17 | arrenlex | bluesceada: Looks like libpoppler, same thing everything uses. |
19:40.27 | pinotree | kpdf uses an old version of xpdf, okular uses current poppler |
19:40.29 | bluesceada | ok |
19:40.34 | bluesceada | hmm |
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19:59.34 | OffToHades | Evening guys. |
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20:00.44 | OffToHades | Long time no see. I need to ask for some help. I'm not working in linux, presently, but I'm trying to find out if one of KDE's programs, KSubtitle, had a Windows port or would work in a Windows environment. |
20:00.50 | OffToHades | Anyone able to help please? |
20:02.16 | shadeslayer | OffToHades: theres #kde-windows |
20:02.28 | OffToHades | o.O |
20:02.38 | OffToHades | Ok, I'll try there. Cheers |
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20:03.48 | n8w | hey |
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20:07.33 | n8w | guys how do i upgrade my kde to 4.4.1? |
20:08.00 | n8w | ive tried upgradin to 4.4.3 through the kubuntu repo, but it didnt even load up.... |
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20:08.32 | n8w | then i tried kde 4.4.1 n eveyrthin was workin ok...but i can find the repo for it |
20:08.43 | pinotree | n8w: #kubuntu |
20:10.48 | bluesceada | n8w: that is probably a kubuntu problem then, maybe try #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
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20:11.17 | n8w | bluesceada: im in those channels as well |
20:11.28 | n8w | bluesceada: tryin:) |
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20:26.00 | miasma | can anyone tell me wtf is wrong with kde apps and why they leak so much memory? Even closing them won't help.. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6283/1500used.png |
20:28.21 | roerich | if core kde libs have mem leaks then you can't do much about it besided using a debug build and measure stuff with valgrind *cover&duck* |
20:28.33 | miasma | i see |
20:28.46 | miasma | why doesn't konqueror terminate itself, then? |
20:29.00 | roerich | dunno i'm just a user |
20:33.32 | cb400f | miasma: maybe you have konq configured to always have an instance loaded? |
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20:34.14 | miasma | cb400f: does it leave the last instance running then? |
20:34.20 | miasma | with hundreds of tabs? |
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20:36.40 | do0ob | How good is the GMA950 in kde4, can it use any of the effects? |
20:36.57 | miasma | cb400f: I thought it preloads an empty konqueror instance |
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20:38.04 | miasma | cb400f: and I've set it to only preload 1 instance. I seem to have 3 instances + several nspluginviewers for flash running even though all windows all closed |
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20:51.45 | do0ob | GMA950 anyone? |
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21:17.17 | sredna2 | how can i change the plasma theme??? |
21:17.38 | sredna2 | the setting has dissapeared, or i fogot where it is hidden :o |
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21:21.09 | sredna2 | i found it, it was moved |
21:21.14 | sredna2 | :\ |
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21:35.49 | Walzmyn | Is there a way to make an application not show up on the task bar? |
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21:39.38 | paul424 | which package contains the plasma desktop ? |
21:40.48 | pinotree | paul424: we ship it in the source kdebase-workspace |
21:41.04 | paul424 | ok |
21:41.18 | paul424 | also, where to get LibAttic ? |
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21:42.47 | Shirakawasuna | what is libattic, paul424? |
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21:44.11 | paul424 | something requiered by kdelibs ..... |
21:44.53 | Shirakawasuna | archlinux packages don't have capital letter, paul424.... |
21:44.55 | Shirakawasuna | *letters |
21:45.00 | Shirakawasuna | please paste the exact name ;) |
21:45.41 | Shirakawasuna | ohhhhhh |
21:45.47 | Shirakawasuna | sorry, I thought I was in a different channel :) |
21:46.03 | Shirakawasuna | ask in your distribution's channel, paul424, e.g. #kubuntu #opensuse etc |
21:46.22 | paul424 | ok |
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21:47.03 | InvaderZim | With a 2 gb ram system, do we still need a swap partition for a desktop? |
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21:52.11 | miasma | InvaderZim: it depends on what you do |
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21:52.39 | InvaderZim | more cpu intensive will probably be watching fullscreen videos... maybe a video encoding for a dvd, but thats it |
21:52.49 | miasma | if you run out of memory, the system will grind to a halt |
21:53.03 | miasma | well, I previously mentioned that my system leaks memory |
21:53.07 | InvaderZim | hmmm |
21:53.20 | InvaderZim | miasma? is that from IY? |
21:53.29 | miasma | if you use languages like C/C++, your programs will typically leak memory unless you have superhuman coding skills |
21:53.37 | miasma | IY? |
21:54.34 | miasma | the C/C++ people believe that the extra 15% of speed you get will benefit the users more than the fact that their buggy applications need to be restarted every day |
21:55.00 | shadyabhi | I did a fresh install (Arch x86_64) today. Installed following packages (http://pastebin.com/yG7dcNDB) . Now, I have made sure the I have enabled PREVIEW option in DOLPHIN. But, I am unable to generate Thumbnails of Video, Images, .ui files, PDF etc etc.. Pls help |
21:56.30 | shadyabhi | Anyone having idea? |
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21:57.43 | Alumin | InvaderZim: I'm running a KDE 4.2.3-based system with 2GB of RAM and no swap, works fine for me |
21:57.44 | sreich | miasma: if your system runs out of memory the offending process will be killed |
21:58.02 | Alumin | been at it for a couple of years now |
21:58.22 | Alumin | now, I tried to run KDE4 at home on a box with 1GB of RAM without swap...world of pain |
21:58.37 | Alumin | even with swap it's ... well, maybe just one city of pain |
21:58.39 | Alumin | :) |
21:59.09 | InvaderZim | Alumin: is it a powerful system? |
21:59.17 | Alumin | haha not exactly :) |
21:59.24 | InvaderZim | hmm |
21:59.27 | Alumin | neither is this one, but it does have 2GB |
21:59.31 | InvaderZim | well |
21:59.40 | miasma | sreich: I thought the kernel chooses a process semi-randomly |
21:59.46 | InvaderZim | it had modest performance with vesa drivers on a live cd |
22:00.10 | InvaderZim | so it seems its gonna be ok |
22:00.32 | InvaderZim | I've never seen my swap being used here |
22:00.33 | InvaderZim | never |
22:00.36 | miasma | Alumin: your uptime with the kde 4.2.3 based system probably isn't couple of years :P |
22:00.37 | Alumin | yeah, the 1GB one was a dinky $50 thing I got at a discount electronics place |
22:00.39 | InvaderZim | seems like a waste of 1 gb |
22:00.59 | Alumin | miasma: of course not, there's kernel updates fairly often |
22:01.45 | miasma | Alumin: I typically boot once in a month and I can tell you that most modern desktop environments aren't designed for that use case. the applications leaks tons of memory |
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22:02.08 | Alumin | depends on the app I guess |
22:02.21 | miasma | for example logging out of kde after 2 weeks of use might take 10..15 minutes |
22:02.28 | miasma | in a quad-core system |
22:02.33 | miasma | with 8GB of ram |
22:02.41 | Alumin | *shrug* |
22:03.01 | Alumin | it's a desktop system, its uptime is not a point of pride with me |
22:03.03 | miasma | it helps a bit if you manually kill some kde processes |
22:03.17 | miasma | I get even higher uptime on my lappy because of hibernation |
22:03.34 | Alumin | come to think of it, it isn't with my servers either |
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22:04.20 | Alumin | in any case, I was answering the original question as I understood it, which was "is it in any way reasonable to think I might be able to run entirely without swap" |
22:04.27 | Alumin | to which my answer is clearly "yes" |
22:04.59 | Alumin | as long as you have at least 2GB :) |
22:05.14 | Alumin | if this were my personal machine I'd probably put 4 and really solve the problem |
22:06.19 | sreich | miasma: no, there's a specific function that calculates and weighs the process and picks the best one |
22:06.28 | sreich | oomkiller it is called, iirc |
22:06.39 | icwiener | Yep it is. |
22:06.52 | icwiener | Ald it chooses X way too often. :) |
22:08.05 | Alumin | haha |
22:08.10 | Alumin | indeed |
22:08.15 | Alumin | that, and mysql |
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22:09.52 | InvaderZim | Alumin: thats it i'm not gonna create a swap |
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22:10.19 | InvaderZim | Alumin: since 11 years ago when I started with linux I've always followed by the book and not once have seen it being useful |
22:10.26 | Alumin | InvaderZim: what I would do is just don't create a swap _partition_ ... there's no value in that anyway, regardless of whether you need swap or not |
22:10.43 | Alumin | just make a couple of swap files and be ready to turn them on if necessary, you can always delete them later |
22:11.06 | InvaderZim | Alumin: in fact, I'm running it on a pretty low end system with only 256mb of ram... it hangs all the time, but swap is still almost not used... maybe 20 megs mostly (of a 1 gig swapspace), and the system keeps hanging |
22:11.42 | Alumin | it might be spiraling into a crash before it can use any more of the swap |
22:12.11 | InvaderZim | is all the ram that matters... ram is all filled up at boot |
22:12.14 | Alumin | I'd be wary of turning off swap if you only have 256 MB |
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22:12.27 | InvaderZim | no no, the question was for a recent netbook with 2gigs |
22:12.36 | Alumin | oh I see |
22:12.51 | Alumin | yeah I'd definitely give it a go, I have a netbook with 1.5GB, also no swap |
22:12.52 | InvaderZim | to turn on swap on a file, dd and swapon /path/to/file right? |
22:13.09 | Alumin | you gotta mkswap it after you dd it but yeah |
22:13.14 | InvaderZim | ohhhhhhhhhhh yes |
22:13.23 | InvaderZim | hehehe i wasnt remembering |
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22:14.36 | Alumin | http://pastebin.ca/1874054 |
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22:15.18 | Alumin | if you decide you don't need the swap, you can add "noauto" to the options in fstab for it |
22:15.20 | magyar | hi is there a way to Enable the ctrl-alt-backspace in kde 4.4? |
22:15.39 | Alumin | that way if you ever have an "oh crap" moment it'll still be in fstab and you can do a quick "swapon -a" :) |
22:18.11 | InvaderZim | Alumin: hehehe |
22:18.43 | Alumin | odds are you won't catch it fast enough, but you never know :) |
22:19.05 | InvaderZim | did you know this by memory? 1048576 |
22:19.30 | InvaderZim | power of 8? |
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22:20.02 | Alumin | yeah, that particular one I have memorized |
22:20.20 | InvaderZim | haha |
22:20.30 | Alumin | but no, I can't generally multiply four-digit numbers in my head lol |
22:20.38 | InvaderZim | not that much huh hehe |
22:21.15 | Alumin | you know you're really into computers when you start thinking of 128, 256, 512, 1024 etc as "round numbers" |
22:21.51 | sreich | yeah, they feel nice, don't they? |
22:21.56 | sreich | something soothing about it |
22:22.50 | Alumin | that's odd |
22:22.59 | Alumin | those last two ping timeouts were both 265 seconds |
22:23.16 | Alumin | and both nicks that ended with an underscore |
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22:23.41 | sreich | not really that odd |
22:24.01 | sreich | the range seems to be 248-276 |
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22:26.52 | mck182 | can KOrganizer sync with Google Calendar? |
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22:34.11 | InvaderZim | Please HELP anyone? Fresh Lucid Install login fails at KDM. See here for details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-savage/+bug/584674 |
22:35.42 | pinotree | InvaderZim: please stop asking again and again |
22:36.01 | InvaderZim | pinotree: ok sorry |
22:36.10 | InvaderZim | did you read the vesa log? |
22:37.18 | pinotree | nothing weird there |
22:37.38 | pinotree | i guess you really should ask in #kubuntu or #ubuntu, so far there's no kde issue |
22:37.46 | InvaderZim | I'm asking there too |
22:38.12 | InvaderZim | people are clueless... xorg guys said its unrelated since it works with xdm and startx |
22:38.17 | InvaderZim | unrelated to xorg |
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22:48.51 | n8w | how can i downgrade kopete? |
22:49.04 | n8w | ive upgraded my kde to 4.4.2 n since then kopete wont even start...it crashes with Executable: kopete PID: 16144 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault) |
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23:17.29 | Shatteredvision | Hi I'm trying to see if anyone could help me with a little problem. For some reason a lot of settings do not stay when I log out of KDE |
23:18.02 | Shatteredvision | for example I change my GTK theme so my GTK apps look like the QT ones but have to re change this everytime I log in |
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23:18.44 | Shatteredvision | also I use a dual monitor setup but have to change the display everytime I log in or the monitors mirror each other. |
23:19.16 | Shatteredvision | Anyone have any ideas on how I could make these chnages permament so I don't have to change them every time I log in? |
23:19.29 | Shatteredvision | BTW I use Arch linux if that helps |
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23:21.33 | redsteakraw | anyone running the kde-4.5 beta? |
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23:25.28 | chomwitt | when i insert a cdrom in debian sqeeze, kde 4.4.3 dolphin shows always as contents some other files . |
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23:44.42 | chomwitt | In my debian squeeze , kde 4.3.4 , i have problems mounting the dvd. i always see in /mnt/cdrom some old files of mine. http://debian.pastebin.com/MaAEPC1v |
23:47.24 | icwiener | chomwitt: Looks like it is mounted to /media/cdrom0 ? |
23:48.34 | icwiener | I mean, not currently ... Currently is does not seem to be mounted. But if, then it should be unter /media. |
23:53.10 | paul424 | could somone englighten me whether should I run all this instrucitons as kdevel user ? http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Generic#kdelibs |
23:53.55 | Shatteredvision | is there a way I can set my computer to start a dual monitor setup when kdm starts? every time I log out I have to reset my display settings to get my monitor setup. Also for some reason my GTK theme needs to be reset everytime I log in |
23:53.59 | sreich | paul424: it's a development question, ask in #kde-devel |
23:54.33 | sreich | Shatteredvision: nothing to do with kdm, but X |
23:54.43 | sreich | if anything, just define it in your xorg.conf I guess |
23:55.19 | Shatteredvision | Oh, my Xorg.conf is auto generated. Cant start x when i try to generate my own. that was the first thing I thought of |
23:55.35 | chomwitt | icwiener: i tried a data disk and not seem ok. thanks. |
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23:56.46 | GUILLOT | hi... |
23:56.53 | GUILLOT | i have a question |
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23:57.13 | GUILLOT | where the kde store the file of shortcuts for a user |
23:57.14 | GUILLOT | ??? |