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00:32.19nono_hi all, i have problem with a sh-script in dolphin. if its with relative pathnames you cant doubleclick it in the file-manager. but with ./ it works. whats the solution reason for this pls ?
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00:50.24htaccess1hi kimagemapeditor used to let me see the html after adding an imagemap now if i goto map > show HTML it shows me the image
00:50.34htaccess1any idea howto make it show the html?
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00:53.05htaccess1used to work before upgrading to karmic
00:54.31htaccess1ah here it is: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215237
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00:57.00DarkriftXis this a good place to ask for support on kmail?
00:57.12DarkriftXi asked about another kde app and was told it wasnt, so just checking before I ask
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02:46.28pete_Hi, My laptop requires I press Fn+Fwhatever to get to the function keys.  I love function keys, is there anyw ay I can get X/KDE/etc. to reverse the mappings for Fn so that I don't have to press 2 keys to get to F1-F12?
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03:37.03ilikenwfwell...trying to build legacy arts
03:37.06ilikenwfand i get a weird error
03:37.19ilikenwf-lrt -lglib-2.0 -ldl -lpthread -pthread
03:37.19ilikenwfg++: ../mcop/.libs/libmcop.so: No such file or directory
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03:50.24OmnipotentEntityso.... how do I tell krunner to stop trying to autocomplete my music because it takes too long?
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03:57.13Sho_OmnipotentEntity: Bring up KRunner, then click the little wrench next to the input field
03:57.29Sho_OmnipotentEntity: On the Plugins tab disable the runners you don't want
03:57.45OmnipotentEntitywhich one in specific completes my music?
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04:08.46killownanyway for use emerald without compiz-fusion? because kde window themes sucks
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05:13.23*** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.4.2 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
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05:14.09slckb0y... it's cause i'm using 7 as primary (P)OS i get any answer ? ;) why so much hate ? :P
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05:14.38Guest75984Can anyone get to bugs.kde.org?  Dropped off the planet from this end ...
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05:20.49Guest75984Can anyone get to bugs.kde.org?
05:21.29CrazyDoodeWelcome to the KDE Bug Tracking System
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05:39.00slckb0yis someone running KDE in a virtualbox under windows 7 ? i can't manage to turn on OpenGL :( could someone point me to a tutorial or something pls ?
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05:43.38zekeslckb0y: try the virtualbox channel
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07:08.46isilzhahi. i try to access "smb://" in dolphin (v. 1.3 / kde 4.3.5) and get "invalid protocol" as a response. what might be the reason for this?
07:09.24cb400ftry smb:/
07:10.03isilzhacb400f: i tried that too
07:10.38cb400fit would seem that the samba kio slave is not installed then.. are you using gentoo or something weird?
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07:17.52toutptHi, I'm looking for a good desktop recorder if possible not on gtk
07:18.12isilzhacb400f: yes i am. kdebase-kioslaves is installed and compiled with samba support
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07:18.47cb400ftoutpt: recordmydesktop has a qt frontend
07:19.20cb400fand commandline
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07:23.02toutptand it is in suse repo. thank you cb400f !
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07:49.07voytech_Hello All
07:49.59voytech_I've question I have now KDE 4.32 and want to switch to KDE4.4
07:51.16voytech_I have added a repository kubuntu-ppa/backoprts/ubuntu karmic main
07:52.58voytech_What kind of package updates should I select from that repository
07:56.47cb400fask kubuntu
07:56.58voytech_ok
07:57.19voytech_cb400f: but kde 4.4 i stable now ?
07:57.49cb400fit's stable upstream.. that doesn't mean the packages you're about to install are tested and stable
07:58.16cb400fisn't kubuntu 10.04 with kde 4.4.x being release in two weeks or so anyway?
07:59.31voytech_cb400f: You know becouse I've 9.10 Karmic koala and wirth kde 4.3.2 everything works fine, but after switching to 4.4 last timeI had some problems with xonnecting to x-server after making some visual changes
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08:00.31cb400fthat's what happens with unofficial repos :-)
08:00.59cb400fwhich is why it would be safer to wait a few days and get 10.04 with official, supported, tested kde 4.4.x
08:02.09voytech_cb400f:  You propably have right
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08:05.30fonsegis there a way to make the taskbar in kde4 just show icons of the running programs, not icon+title ?
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08:16.11cb400ffonseg: look at stasks (iirc) widget on kde-look.org
08:16.22cb400fpossibly it's called smooth tasks
08:16.43cb400f.. either way there are a couple of alternative taskbar widgets that do that win7'ish thing
08:17.57isilzhacb400f: sorry, it turned out to be a quite stupid mistake on my behalf. i accidentally used the search bar instead of the address bar
08:18.12isilzhacb400f: thanks anyway
08:18.16cb400flol ;-)
08:18.47cb400fI guess that's what'll happen with those bread-crumb location bars :-)
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08:35.43EisNerd.kde/share/apps/krdc/hostpreferences.xml seems to be unused therefore
08:36.31shankly_hi all, someone knows if there's a ppa with kde 4.5 to test it inon kubuntu?
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10:09.50jmutkde4  krusader. ok to ask here for it?
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10:11.40cb400fjmut: yes.. for user support type questions
10:12.02cb400ffor devel type stuff and power user support they prolly have a dedicated channel somewhere
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10:12.24jmutcb400f: user thingy it is
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10:21.26GNU\colossusis there a way to start (non-KDE) X11 clients from the command line under kwin so that, for example, the resulting window is aligned to the lower left borders of my screen?
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10:44.28TorchGNU\colossus: just set window- or app-specific properties
10:44.36TorchGNU\colossus: kwin doesn't care if it's a KDE app in that case
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11:23.23oneforallweird I seen some one ask about taskbar   show icons of the running programs, not icon+title. For me thats all I have in the taskbar is the icon default.
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11:47.38dirk_I've header there is a quick file browser applet but i only find the folder view. Can I configure that to have menus opening for subfolders?
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11:47.59dirk_I've heard that is
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11:50.55dirk_Oh, i can't have previews for directories. Something crashes. Would that be the option to open menus for subdirs?
11:53.01dirk_(folder view applet) when I try to change the preview options the whole desktop rebuilds
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12:15.00XerodermaHello all,  i have an Problem...  Ive updated to kde 4.4. After that i cant shutdown my computer with the kde-shutdown button. It closes all applications, end hangs up. After that i cant start programms, and cant press the shutdown-button again.  There is no information about that in /var/log/messages. i have openSuSE 11.2.  (sorry my english i am German)
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12:49.02pythetichi, does kde support encrypted removable devices?
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13:18.29tulcodpressing the arrow down key causes the enter key to be hit too, magically. so in a terminal, if i press arrow down, what i typed gets executed. this is on a HP laptop.
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13:19.27szaltulcod: are you sure it's not a case of sausage fingers? ;)
13:19.52tulcodszal: then you guys would have made a seriously weird assumptions about finger size
13:19.54tulcod:)
13:20.15tulcodszal: but yeah, it kinda feels like that
13:20.39tulcodoh, and in text editors, first comes the arrow down effect, and then the newline is added, if that helps
13:21.29szaland how is that a KDE problem?
13:21.49tulcodszal: it doesn't happen outside KDE
13:22.27tulcodthat is, i think it didn't in another window manager, will check again in a sec
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13:24.31tulcodnope
13:24.46tulcodwait! it's the dvorak keyboard layout, strangely
13:25.03tulcodalright, lemme check with the xorg guys instead, thanks guys
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13:30.10tulcodszal: care to hear the answer?
13:30.33tulcodhad something to do with evdev
13:30.48tulcodso i just switched to the regular drivers, and it worked
13:30.53szalnot that I'd need it, I have neither a laptop nor do I use Dvorak layout
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13:42.20tigrmeshdoes anyone here use basket?  would you be willing to tell me how you use it?  i'm more interested in type of content and process rather than how-to.  basket is quite well documented
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13:57.14dinthis there any way to synchronise akonadi and other kde configuration data between desktop and netbook ?
13:57.31and1bmHi, I want to define a system wide default wallpaper for debian-edu, in kde3 this was done by a kdesktoprc file in some KDEDIRS. This does not work anymore. How can it be done for kde4?
13:58.01annmaplasma-desktop-appletsrc
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14:01.19and1bmannma: I tried that by copying a user's plasma-desktop-appletsrc, but without success so far.
14:03.30annmahmmm idstros doit one way or another
14:03.34annmadistros
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14:07.04and1bmhere is part of my plasma-desktop-appletsrc: http://paste.debian.net/69018/
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14:09.23annmawhy is wallpaper= different
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14:11.37and1bmannma: I try without userswallpapers=
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14:12.18annmatry with both userswallpapers=  wallpaper=
14:12.32and1bmok
14:12.52annma= the same location
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14:14.51and1bmno, it's still the kde default ...
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14:19.14annmadid you restart KDE with a default user?
14:19.42annmadid you set this globally out of kde and then start a new user?
14:20.22and1bmannma: logged out and in again. What i found on the net is not very promising if true: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=63342#p138760
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14:21.32and1bmtries with a newly created user
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14:24.08and1bmstill the "Air" wallpaper ...
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14:24.55Torchand1bm: that forum posting is not revelant to your problem if i read that correctly
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14:25.32Torchand1bm: you could also ask on #plasma, btw
14:26.08and1bmTorch: because they want to do it interactively while logged in, right?
14:26.31and1bmTorch: already done, no answer (yet?)
14:26.42Torchand1bm: the forum is about modifying config files while being logged in. that's not a good idea.
14:26.55Torchand1bm: #plasma can be a little quiet from time to time. be patient.
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14:27.26Torchand1bm: and re-ask the question after an hour or so
14:27.33and1bmTorch: :) I will!
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14:39.31zjblabsis plasma for windows avaliable?
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14:55.41Torchzjblabs: iirc there has been some work done on a windows port but it's, afaik, far from usable.
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14:56.13Torchzjblabs: maybe the kind people on #kde-windows can tell you more details
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15:30.04Frost13hi
15:30.23Frost13can everyone please tell how to solve the wireless connection problem in KDE 4?
15:30.34Frost13i've tried installing networkmanager, but it still doesn't help
15:30.40Frost13launching the nm-applet gives:
15:30.52Frost13** (nm-applet:3470): WARNING **: <WARN>  request_name(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
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15:59.34miasmawow, I just noticed that the text editing on a 1920x1200 screen is terribly slow in kwrite in kde 4.3
16:00.18miasmalag is on average maybe 1000 ms on a 3 Ghz Core2Quad
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16:09.22FoxBlitzzmiasma: Graphic drivers?
16:09.35FoxBlitzzmiasma: Try running kwrite using the raster graphicssystem'
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16:16.25boveIs there a way with KDE to launch a gui file copy/move?
16:17.16pbunbunIn dolphin
16:17.33miasmaFoxBlitzz: I have the latest nvidia drivers
16:18.22miasmanothing else is slow. It seems a huge textarea acts slowly. even fullscreen 1080p video is faster
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16:20.51bovepbunbun: Found it: kfmclient copy src dst
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16:24.47FoxBlitzzHuh
16:24.51vbgunzunder printer configurations, job options, I can add an option, what kind of option? lpr or cif? what is the proper formatting of the option?
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16:25.11FoxBlitzzI just noticed that KWrite does a full repaint of the text area when the text changes. That's not good...
16:25.21miasmaFoxBlitzz: that might explain it
16:25.29miasmaFoxBlitzz: decreasing the window size helped
16:25.53miasmaapparently kde isn't designed for users with modern tft panels
16:25.58vbgunzI have KDE 4.4.2 and a Canon MP250. I need to change the quality settings but no printer options under any dialog ever offer the option. I don't want to blow the ink. how do I add the option successfully?
16:26.06miasmamaybe the focus is more on maemo devices
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16:26.44FoxBlitzzAlso, for some reason, the blinking cursor causes the whole line to repaint
16:27.09FoxBlitzzYou can troubleshoot screen repaints by enabling one of the desktop effects
16:27.17miasmaFoxBlitzz: thanks for the analysis btw.
16:27.32miasmaFoxBlitzz: I don't use the plasma desktop so haven't tried it
16:28.00FoxBlitzzThat's not Plasma
16:28.02FoxBlitzzThat's KWin
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16:28.08miasmaI don't use it either
16:28.11miasmait's too buggy
16:28.27FoxBlitzzHmm
16:28.39FoxBlitzzSeems it does a repaint of the line and the ones below it
16:29.04FoxBlitzzEven when nothing shifts, and even when there aren't any lines down there
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16:47.24anonymou1Hi. For some time now, dead keys in KDE4 apps aren’t dead anymore (i. e. when I type ^a to get an â, I get ^a). But only in KDE apps, Gnome apps work fine.
16:47.47anonymou1Unfortunately, I can’t pinpoint the moment when the behaviour changed.
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16:49.43anonymou1Since search engines don’t give me useful results either (most of the hints point to SCIM problem but SCIM works fine for me, also in KDE apps), can anyone give me pointers?
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16:57.07ChemBroanonymou1: no, but I want to know the answer, too. (using ibus here)
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17:04.10Tatshsomeone use konsole heavily on kde 4.4.x?
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17:04.30anonymou1Sorry, 4.3.5 here.
17:04.30Tatshon kde 4.3.5 konsole will stop allowing the right-click menu after a certain amount of lines
17:04.39Tatshit seems after a certain amount of lines
17:04.42Tatshit's very annoying
17:05.12anonymou1Huh, never noticed that.
17:05.32Tatshfor i in {1..100000}; do printf "This is a decent size string. "; done
17:05.38Tatshthen see if right-click menu still works
17:05.41Tatshdo it a few times
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17:06.38anonymou1Done, menu still working.
17:07.13anonymou1My Konsole scrollback is limited to 10k lines, though.
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17:09.49anonymou1Menu still working with unlimited scrollback and repeating the for loop from above several times.
17:10.54Tatshi'm set to unlimited
17:11.09Tatshmaybe it's line numbers
17:11.11Tatshtry with echo instead
17:11.22Tatshi'll try to make it happen without ssh'ing
17:11.26Tatshit might have to do with that
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17:11.47anonymou1I did it mixed, with echo and printf.
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17:17.04leomcacould somebody help me please?
17:17.11leomca- I've got a problem
17:17.49leomcaI  just accidentally hid the menu bar in Konsole...
17:17.57leomca...and I don't know how to get it back
17:18.12Torchleomca: ctrl+m
17:18.33Torchleomca: ah, sorry.
17:18.38leomcaTorch: nah, tried that, and it doesn't work
17:18.42Torchleomca: doesn't work in konsole, it seems. right click
17:18.48Torchleomca: gets you a context menu.
17:19.34leomcaTorch: but as far as I can see, it can't get my menu bar bacl
17:19.35leomca*back
17:19.50Torchleomca: the context menu has, at least here, an entry "show menu bar"
17:20.19leomcaTorch: weird, doesn't show it here
17:20.36Torchleomca: kde version?
17:20.45leomcaerrrrrr
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17:21.52Tatshok, yea; that loop i gave here i ran it with 1..10000000
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17:22.02Tatshit was making things too slow so i had to hard reboot
17:22.16leomcaTorch: ^^
17:22.28Tatshanyway, has anyone figured out how to tame skype's windowing behaviour?
17:22.37Tatshi have it set to be forced on desktop 3, but it never listens
17:23.10Torchleomca: hmm, don't remember if that had the menu entry... anyway, konsole will store this in its rc file. open xterm, close konsole and edit $HOME/.kde/share/config/konsolerc
17:23.20Torchleomca: it should have an entry that disables the menu. remove the entry.
17:23.38Torchleomca: you can also use kwrite or whatever, just make sure konsole doesn't run while you're editing the file
17:23.56leomcadamn, I'm not using latest kde version...
17:24.20leomca...silly opensuse
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17:25.19Torchleomca: the config entry is "ShowMenuBar" in the [general] group
17:25.26leomcaok
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17:26.42Torchleomca: or at least it is in svn ;-)
17:26.50leomcaheh
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17:28.09leomcahe-hay!
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17:28.13leomcait works!
17:28.19d3xhmm.. knetworkmanager stopped working for me :/
17:28.24leomcathanks Torch!
17:28.27Torchleomca: yw
17:28.27d3xcnetworkmanager works, though
17:28.53leomca:D
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17:30.14d3xi connected earlier today to some public network, but now i can't connect to my home network :/
17:30.38LuciusMareHi, I have this multimedia keyboard, so I set up the "calculator" button to bring up calculator (erm.), but it does not work, I *am* sure that the command is correct, but nothing actually happens
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17:34.17plumaFor some reason Dolphin will ocassionally misbehave when I try to access a remote directory (i.e. via FTP or SFTP/SCP). It opens several connections to the same host rather than one and sometimes floods me with up to 10 login prompts (which mostly fail because they grab each others' focus). I'm not sure this is a Dolphin issue (e.g. I often can't open files from Dolphin directly when the server limits the number of connections). Is there a way t
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17:37.32LuciusMarepluma: confirming, my free webhosting keeps showing up those "cant be logged more than one times" errors all the time
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17:39.40plumaLuciusMare: This has actually lead me to getting banned by my own vserver via fail2ban. I somewhat avoid the problem now by whitelisting my home IP (which seems to be static atm), but it's still annoying. Especially having to download the files in order to edit them because the connections are being hogged.
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17:40.28vbgunzis there an easy way to open the native kde print dialog from a gtk app that doesn't already know how to?
17:40.55plumaLuciusMare: I can't find anything relevant on Google, though. Maybe it's because I have no idea what to search for exactly. I don't even know which part is to blame.
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17:51.28Ze_Mwhen i enable internet share (wich implies running services dhcpd,named,squid and add some iptables rules), then konqueror is unable to display website www.cabovisao.pt, however firefox continues to display it fine, anyone have a clue about this?
17:51.38zjblabsTorch, thanks
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18:01.27zjblabsTorch, I'm running plasma right now; it's pretty damn'ed sweet
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18:15.18tuxickam i the only one experiencing horribly slow kde-4.4 on nvidia?
18:15.34tuxickit's almost as back as i got when i switched to 4
18:15.39tuxickas bad
18:16.19sreichno
18:16.30sreichmy performance with nvidia is horrible
18:16.46sreichtheir drivers suck.
18:17.07tuxickit was ok-ish on 4.3
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18:17.17tuxickbut after upgrading to 4.4 it was back to nothing
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18:17.28tuxicktrying to find out why and what to do about it
18:18.20tuxickGF8200 here btw
18:18.29tuxicknot some superfast gamer thing :)
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18:19.31GNU\colossusmy KDE 4.4 performance also sucked with Intel
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18:19.38GNU\colossusturning on raster helped a lot though
18:19.52zjblabsmy KDE 4.4 performance is ok on intel on windows :P
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18:22.03tuxickraster?
18:22.26GNU\colossustuxick: an alternative Qt rendering engine
18:22.45GNU\colossusit has some drawbacks for me though - KHTML rendering is fubared on some websites
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18:23.20tuxickoh dear
18:23.43DodoBirdUse another browser or turn on Webkit rendering in Konqueror.
18:24.15GNU\colossusDodoBird: I'm using rekonq sometimes due to that bug.
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18:24.28DodoBirdah.
18:24.29GNU\colossushope the webkit kpart is "finished" soon
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18:25.31DodoBirdWhen it comes to Linux browsers, I'm sticking with Chromium atm.
18:25.51GNU\colossusI won't install GTK on my box, so that's an option ruled out.
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18:26.28DodoBirdHow about Opera, then? That's based on Qt.
18:27.02sreichalthough it's a good example of how to badly use qt
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18:33.09zjblabsisn't wxwidgets better than qt>
18:33.11zjblabs?
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18:34.38DodoBirdFor what, exactly?
18:35.12zjblabsanything
18:35.21zjblabseasier to develop applications in
18:35.28zjblabsbetter language bindings
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18:47.45sreichzjblabs: that is your opinion
18:49.25sreichbetter documentation, strong corporate backing (nokia), more OO design as opposed to MFC-like, and less bugs ;)
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18:59.17MuzerHow would I get Phonon to use a custom ALSA plugin-device-thing (not sure of the correct terminology) - I want it to downmix 5.1 surround to 4.0 surround with plug:51to40. I've set the plugin as pcm.!default in /etc/asound.conf but it doesn't seem to have made a difference
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19:01.45Muzeris there some sort of Xine-related config file I need to edit, or is it actually Phonon I need to somehow persuade? I'm not quite sure where in the process the passing-to-ALSA happens...
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19:03.41Muzerit seems to be set already in .xine/config
19:03.49MuzerKaffeine-KDE3 reads it fine, but not Phonon apps
19:04.35MuzerI'll try restarting KDE, that might be it. Be right back...
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19:08.53Muzerthat didn't fix it
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19:10.11Muzerso, I assume either Xine is ignoring the config file and/or looking for it in a different place to Kaffeine's Xine implementation, or I do indeed need to modify it in KDE itself which doesn't seem to be going to happen due to its over-simplistic interface (I hate it when developers remove features for simplicity's sake, just hide them behind an "advanced" button! I hope that's not what happened here.)
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19:12.02Muzerit seems from reading the text that Phonon is looking for a device called x-phonon in ALSA as a priority. How would I go about setting this device up? I assume the method is not the same as for plugins as then the device would be called plug:x-phonon instead of xphonon:CARD=whatever
19:14.23Muzeraha! Think I found the answer http://phonon.kde.org/cms/1032
19:14.27Muzerjust trying it...
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19:16.13Muzerbrilliant!
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19:16.42djusticehugs Muzer
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19:17.54Muzerhmm, the plugin I found doesn't seem to work properly for stereo (I'd expect it to duplicate it across all 4 channels like KDE does by default for stereo input, but it doesn't. This isn't a KDE problem though, it's a problem with the ALSA plugin I found, and I'll ask in #alsa how I'd go about fixing it...)
19:19.57Muzeractually, I spoke too soon - it doesn't seem to be working with Dragon for some reason :/
19:20.08Muzermaybe Dragon is only reading in 4 of the channels? I don't know, I'm so confused! :p
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19:24.03MuzerI might need to restart KDE
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19:27.09MuzerI'm pretty certain it's using the plug-in now - this plugin definitely does what I said it does as it works with aplay, mplayer and kaffeine-KDE3. However, centre and LFE are still completely missing from my test file when played under Amarok or Dragon (whereas they are present and mixed properly in mplayer, aplay and kaffeine-KDE3)
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19:28.14heloupgrading my distro packages sometimes causes my keyring to not be used... for example, when a wifi key is needed my keyring dialog box doesn't even open
19:29.08heloi guess that would be called "kde wallet"
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19:30.07Muzerit's definitely being used, as only the front 2 speakers are used in stereo files with the thingy selected. However, still only 4 channels are played.
19:30.11thiago_homehelo: that's not a KDE problem
19:30.17thiago_homehelo: KDE has no wifi configuration
19:30.18MuzerIs this a problem with KDE apps only parsing 4 channels in a wav file?
19:30.24thiago_homehelo: please ask your distribution's channel for help
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19:34.21helothat was just an example of kwallet not opening when in the past it has
19:34.45heloopening up the wallet manager, i see no entries
19:35.15helois my old wallet info gone?
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19:46.05heloit is at least kde wallet related, and i need to make an attempt at salvaging the old info from kde wallet
19:46.21helowhere is wallet info stored?
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19:47.20heloif wallet manager isn't showing any wallet info, where might i look for my previous wallet info?
19:48.46heloi would think ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/ (which is empty)
19:49.48thiago_homethat's where it is
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19:51.26heloboggles that an upgrade would somehow delete all kwallet info
19:51.57Muzeryou never did say which distro
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19:53.26helodebian sid (ahhh, that explains it)
19:55.53helothis behavior seems to suggest logic like: if (version_of_wallet_data < this->version) { purge_data(old_wallet_data); }
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19:59.09heloshouldn't there be a huge warning before a data steward application deletes all previous data?
20:00.00Muzerwell, it IS Sid, I've heard of worse :p
20:00.15heloyeah heh
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20:11.33heloi tend to think of it as a "personal" bug at this point :)
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20:12.46apolI was using pidgin and now I get gnome-like notifications (yes, in plasma) and it's weird
20:12.52apolhow can I force KDE notifications?
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20:46.55jrgphow can I change how much a window glows when it's active / inactive? I can't find the setting in  SystemSettings > Desktop > Desktop Effects > All Effects (on kubuntu)
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20:53.55XwZhi
20:54.11XwZis it possible to install kde4.4 without attica ?
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20:55.56thiago_homeXwZ: no
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20:56.22XwZthiago_home: ok, so i can't get kde :(
20:56.30thiago_homeget attica
20:56.33XwZbut maybe you can help me
20:56.40XwZit doesn't compile
20:56.43thiago_homeit does here
20:56.48thiago_homeit's very simple
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20:57.41Moggerjrgp: System Settings -> Appearance -> Windows -> Shadows
20:57.43XwZwhen i use emerge to compile attica, it doesn't work, and when i try from svn, kdelibs doesn't find attica
20:58.02thiago_homeemerge problem -> Gentoo problem
20:58.11pinotreegentoo problem → #gentoo-kde
20:58.24thiago_homeas for svn, did it build properly?
20:58.26XwZpinotree: i have already open a bug on bugzilla
20:58.35pinotreewhich bugzilla?
20:58.41jrgpMogger: Nice, thanks. :D
20:58.41XwZpinotree: gentoo-kde
20:58.57Moggerjrgp: you're welcome :)
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20:59.33XwZthiago_home: when i compile attica from svn, it compiles but cmake kdelibs is stopped by attica, it doen't find it
21:00.16thiago_homewhere did you install attica?
21:00.24thiago_homeand how did you tell kdelibs where to find it
21:01.05XwZi install it in default directory and i tell it nothing to get it in default directory
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21:01.49thiago_homethat won't work
21:01.57thiago_homeyou need to tell kdelibs where to find it
21:02.18thiago_homekdelibs tries KDE's dir
21:03.33XwZLIB_SUFIX == /usr/local and attica was installed inn /usr/local/lib
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21:06.31XwZthiago_home: what is the arg to teel it where to find attica ?
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21:12.48XwZok, thanks it works
21:12.55XwZwith -DLIBATTICA_INCLUDE_DIR
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21:15.01pinotreeXwZ: that's an hack; export CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=/usr/local:$CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH
21:15.08pinotree(note you must nuke the builddir, before)
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21:19.19slckb0yhi everyone :) is someone running KDE in a Vbox under windows 7 host and managed to turn on OpenGL pls ? :)
21:19.43thiago_homeslckb0y: can you get OpenGL outside of KDE?
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21:22.00XwZpinotree: ok :)
21:22.00slckb0yno neither, but it worked under ubuntu/gnome
21:24.39thiago_homeif you can't get OpenGL, it's not KDE's problem
21:29.58slckb0yi looked on some forum and found this "Apparently VirtualBox doesn't support KDE's desktop effects yet.
21:29.58slckb0yIf you take a look at Xorg.0.log inside your VM, there should be an error message from AIGLX about the dri module."
21:30.18slckb0yis there any workaround ?
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21:33.02kerncoI'm using an Apple keyboard and when I press the F keys, it's interpreted as special buttons (like play/pause, volume up/down).  To get actual F-key presses, I have to press Fn+Fkey.  Is there a way I can reverse this behavior?
21:33.25thiago_homenot a KDE issue
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21:36.14thiago_homeKDE (actually, Qt), simply takes the key events from X
21:36.20thiago_homeso X is the one that needs reconfigurin
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21:37.36lliehuslckb0y: what about using xrender for effects?
21:38.02slckb0yi tried but it's really slow :/
21:38.13slckb0ya windows take 5sec to minimize lol ^
21:38.28lliehuhehe. of course it isn't as good as opengl
21:40.01tigrmeshdoes anyone here use basket?  would you be willing to tell me how you use it?  i'm more interested in type of content and process rather than how-to.  basket is quite well documented
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21:40.26kerncothiago_home: Ok, thanks. I thought KDE might have some key remapping in system settings or something.
21:40.51lliehuslckb0y: even though it's vbox problem, what vbox version do you use? because I thought that vbox supported opengl hardware acceleration already, at least from 3.0 or 3.1 or sth
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21:44.41slckb0yi'm using the last one so yup it should work
21:44.53LuytWhat's the 'taskbar' called in KDE?
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21:45.17Muzerpanel I think
21:45.17slckb0ybut i think i found something usefull, all i need is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in super user mode, but can't find how lol ^
21:45.18Muzer(unless it's been renamed since last time I checked ;))
21:45.30Muzeryeah, panel, Luyt
21:45.50LuytAh thanks... I somehow managed to remove it from the desktop, now trying to find it back ;-)
21:46.38EagleScreenLuyt: unlock widhets, then right-click on desktop, then add panel
21:47.06LuytI see. That worked.
21:47.20slckb0ypls help lol :P i need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as a super user, can someone tell me how i can do that ? :x
21:47.23lliehuslckb0y: use sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf in Konsole (though I don't know your distro)
21:47.31slckb0ythx ^^
21:47.36MuzerLuyt: If you need to add things back to the panel, they are called:
21:47.52LuytI found the Application Launcher Menu already ;-)
21:47.54MuzerApplication Launcher ("K" menu)
21:47.56MuzerQuick Access (the folders list)
21:48.06MuzerTask Manager (main part that lists all the apps)
21:48.07slckb0yhm, the file is empty :x
21:48.19MuzerShow Desktop (button that shows desktop)
21:48.24MuzerPager (multiple desktop switcher)
21:48.33MuzerSystem Tray (notification icons)
21:48.40MuzerDigital Clock
21:48.49Muzeradd some or all depending on what was there before...
21:49.01lliehuslckb0y: well, usually you don't need xorg.conf nowadays (thing are autodetected) and if you don't know a good reason for making one, you shouldn't *I guess
21:49.11Muzermight be more if you're in an older KDE, there are some with the "recently added devices" bit separate from System Tray
21:49.26slckb0yi have one ^^ http://forums.opensuse.org/get-help-here/applications/421059-howto-enable-desktop-effects-virtualbox.html
21:49.32LuytMuzer: Thanks, I'll get along with the App launcher, the task manager and the clock.
21:49.41Muzergreat
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21:50.02LuytAny idea how to remove the 'cashew nut' in the right upper corner?
21:50.03djusticethe whole 'accidetally removing a panel' thing just got fixed in trunk... :D
21:50.17djusticeLuyt: stealthcashew. or ihatethecashew.
21:50.28TweakGamesholy smokes, it just took 6 hours to apt-get install kde lol, how do I configure this thing?  startkde says cannot connect to X server.
21:50.30LuytThanks, I'll google that.
21:51.06djusticeand they need the ruby scriptengine...  iirc
21:51.06MuzerTweakGames: Which distro? Debian? Or a derivative?
21:51.17djusticeTweakGames: you did it wrong. ;) distro question.
21:52.35lliehuslckb0y: seems weird that that would be needed, though you can try I guess. just adding that section and those lines
21:53.34slckb0yok let try :)
21:53.48TweakGamesMuzer: yes debian sorry.
21:53.58TweakGamesdjustice: whats new? :D
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21:56.51TweakGamesSo, it says unable to open display ''.  I just need to configure it correct?
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21:57.56thiago_homeset DISPLAY right
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21:58.51TweakGamesAlrighty, dont fail me now google. :D
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22:02.13LuytWhere do I adjust my mouse cursor appearance?  (kde4.3.1)
22:02.20slckb0ylliehu i can't save the file i just created :x
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22:03.19sreichLuyt: systemsettings->keyboard &* mouse
22:03.36lliehuslckb0y: hmm..but you should have the permissions for that at least, right?
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22:04.00TweakGamesI am on the kde forum, but is there a simple how to setup kde for idiots page that everyone angrily pastes into responses to questions like mine? :D
22:04.01slckb0ywell i think yes
22:04.19slckb0yif i'm in sudo mode i should be
22:04.29lliehuyes
22:04.30Luytsreich: Thanks, found it. It was hiding under 'Computer Administration' ;-)
22:04.37lliehuI think
22:04.41sreichwaah?
22:04.42slckb0yis there anything else than nano i could use ? ^ i'm not very familiar with it
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22:05.20lliehuslckb0y: vi? vim? emacs? or then you _could_ also use kwrite with sudo
22:05.20KenBW2is it possible to make the KDE notification popup smaller? and possibly change the animation from sliding to fading in?
22:05.35sreichkdesu
22:05.45sreichdo not use sudo with a gui app
22:06.06hagabakawhy is that?
22:06.08lliehuyes, right. that's why I said it like that. I personally don't run gui apps as root
22:06.17slckb0yhum oki ^
22:06.24sreichI didn't say that gui apps should not be ran as root
22:06.26slckb0ybut how can i save with nano pls ? :P
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22:06.35sreichI said that sudo should not be used to make gui app run as root; instead, use kdesu
22:07.12hagabakais it more secure that way? or just because kdesu is gui too?
22:07.20KenBW2sreich: i used to the reason - can you remind me?
22:07.20sreichkdesu handles some kde-specific things, and using sudo could possibly mangle permissions
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22:07.30lliehuslckb0y: ah..so you didn't know how? well...did you try Ctrl-O?
22:07.37slckb0yrofl thx ;)
22:08.23lliehuok. good to know. I shouldn't have said that as I didn't know enough
22:08.33slckb0yok i restart to see if it work ^
22:08.41slckb0ythx again lliehu ^
22:08.46lliehunp
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22:11.37KenBW2is it possible to make the KDE notification popup smaller? and possibly change the animation from sliding to fading in?
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22:14.57TweakGamesdo I start kde by typing X?   because that just makes me screen grey with a X for a mouse cursor. lol
22:15.08slckb0ystill not working ... damn :P
22:15.44lliehuslckb0y: well, to #vbox then?
22:15.52djusticeKenBW2: under systemsettings->desktop->desktop effects. and the notifications are fontsize dependant. tried the ayatanya notifications option? systray->contextmenu->configure systray
22:16.25lliehuslckb0y: for more troubleshooting of opengl stuff
22:16.34djusticeTweakGames: i would try 'sudo /etc/rc.d/kdm start', then logging in like regular... make sure to choose 'kde' from the 'sessions' menu in kdm..
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22:16.47slckb0yi tried but look like they want to snob me lol ^
22:16.49TweakGamesdjustice thank you I will try that.
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22:17.12djusticeTweakGames: oops. there is no rc.d in debian. it's "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" there.
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22:17.29sreichdjustice: yeah, rc.d is arch isn't it? :)
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22:17.39TweakGamesdjustice, I was wondering. :D
22:18.03TweakGamesWOOOOHOOOO!!! worked!  COLORS!
22:18.05TweakGamessorry. :)
22:18.11djusticehehe :P
22:18.14lliehuslckb0y: ah. ok. so sorry, but you do have the guest additions installed? and I mean the latest ones, the same version as your vbox, and not some outdated ones that opensuse may package
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22:18.33slckb0yyep installed the last ones :)
22:18.38KenBW2djustice: i can't see anything specific to notifications in Desktop Effects
22:19.00djusticeKenBW2: it's not. the 'sliding popups' effect. disable it. and turn on the 'fade' effect.
22:19.03slckb0yi've seen a forum post with a supposed fix about it but it do nothing :/
22:19.48KenBW2djustice: ah yea, thanks
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22:22.20TweakGamesdjustice, now that this is working, will it boot into this?
22:22.29TweakGames(this as in working kde)
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22:23.19djusticeTweakGames: um. it should. i think. i havent debian'd in a long time.
22:23.24Luythehehe, I wanted to write a geography training program, but I just discovered KGeography, I guess I can save myself some time ;-)
22:23.28djusticeahh. i forgot how debian runlevels work :/
22:23.38sreichLuyt: and improve it :D
22:23.47djusticeLuyt: ;) most ideas are already done...
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22:24.08Luytsreich: Yeah, something like learning the most important rivers too
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22:24.17tbxhaving a difficulty with KDE 4.4, on a fresh, new install of archlinux. The settings in "Display" -> "Size & Orientationi" do not persist through a logout/login. I can set it to have DVI-1 be "right of" DVI-0, and it works fine. Log out, log in, and DVI-1 is back to being "Clone of" DVI-0. I was around yesterday, and someone said that it was because krandrtray wasn't running. I set it running, auto upon login. No fix.
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22:30.31slckb0yis someone managed to active OpenGL acceleration for desktop effects in KDE 4.3.2 in a virtualbox running under a win7 host ?
22:31.44slckb0yopen gl is working for everything else :x
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22:41.06*** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.4.2 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
22:41.36TweakGameslol does anybody know how to exit rdesktop when its in full screen?
22:42.24Dice-Manboa
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22:43.51djusticeDice-Man: slim it down... you can get it down to about 160mb.
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22:51.57TorchTweakGames: log out (totally off topic)
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23:08.02KenBW2do i understand it right that Kwin's animations have become less smooth in KDE4.4?
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23:10.59djusticeKenBW2: no...
23:12.07KenBW2just seen something that says it did
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23:12.24KenBW2it does seem less smooth than Compiz/Gnome though
23:13.57djusticeKenBW2: it isnt as mature as compiz. but its getting better and better. smooth as can be on 4.5. on a 32mb intel acer aspire d250 netbook... and that's pretty low-end...
23:14.18djusticeKenBW2: where did you read that?
23:14.28KenBW2if its due to improve then its all good
23:14.43KenBW2http://www.pubbs.net/201003/gentoo/29208-gentoo-user-compiz-effects-vs-kwin.html
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23:14.50djusticeKenBW2: haha, kde wont stop improving ;)
23:15.24KenBW2im not so sure - software generally becomes more power hungry as it progresses
23:15.47tbxhaving a difficulty with KDE 4.4, on a fresh, new install of archlinux. The settings in "Display" -> "Size & Orientationi" do not persist through a logout/login. I can set it to have DVI-1 be "right of" DVI-0, and it works fine. Log out, log in, and DVI-1 is back to being "Clone of" DVI-0. I was around yesterday, and someone said that it was because krandrtray wasn't running. I set it running, auto upon login. No fix.
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23:16.45djusticeKenBW2: kwin is better than ever. and imho, kde4 beats the socks off of kde3... 'powerhungry' == features.
23:17.40KenBW2djustice: that may be true (i only had a brief exposure to KDE3), but if KDE4.5 doesnt run well on my hardware thet doesnt help me
23:17.47KenBW2especially as Compiz runs fine
23:19.14djusticeKenBW2: kde 4.5 will run just fine i bet. maybe not kwin. but in that case, compiz is what you want anyway. it still has tons more plugins. and 3+ years on kwin's xcore compositing.
23:19.40djusticetattoo to do... peace, love, and kde
23:20.16KenBW2KDE4.4 does run ok, but theres he occasional jerkiness which irks me a bit
23:21.11KenBW2especially on my netbook
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