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| 00:01.15 | Axtroz | I was googling for a solution but all I found were some old topics dating from 2007 for Gentoo which didn't solve it... |
| 00:01.37 | Axtroz | I don't mind using Opera, but Konqueror integrates so well with, well, KDE :) |
| 00:02.21 | TheGroove | Is it just that gif, though? |
| 00:02.43 | Axtroz | No, every animated gif is rendered wrong. |
| 00:04.35 | benkevan | man.. no one has any idea? is there anyway I can launch that kcm without browsing through systemsettings? |
| 00:04.48 | TheGroove | Hm, so far the one you posted is the only one that acts weird for me. |
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| 00:05.06 | Half-Left | benkevan: krunner |
| 00:05.26 | benkevan | Half-Left: ? what would the command be? |
| 00:05.47 | benkevan | I'm trying to launch a specific kcm modules from systemsettings .. that isn't showing up in the systemsettings window.. |
| 00:05.52 | benkevan | and systemsettings --help gives nothing |
| 00:05.58 | Half-Left | benkevan: the module name |
| 00:06.36 | Half-Left | So if you wanted desktop effects just type desktop e |
| 00:06.38 | benkevan | Half-Life: Would you be able to tell me the module name? |
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| 00:07.04 | benkevan | looking for sharing (I believe is what it's called) |
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| 00:07.16 | Goliath | please take care of this http://www.qtforum.org/article/26669/qt4-mess-up-the-opengl-context.html |
| 00:07.18 | Half-Left | If you waned the colour settings, just type "coluor" |
| 00:07.18 | Goliath | to devs |
| 00:07.23 | Half-Left | wanted |
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| 00:07.40 | benkevan | Half-Left: The problem is.. It's not in systemsettings .. so I can't remember what it was haha.. |
| 00:07.44 | benkevan | can you maybe check? and let me know |
| 00:07.46 | Axtroz | TheGroove: You're right, other gifs are okay. It seems the guy that made that site is using some weird gifs. |
| 00:08.00 | Axtroz | kcm fileshare? |
| 00:08.12 | Half-Left | benkevan: What's "it"? |
| 00:08.17 | Axtroz | Is that what you're looking for benkevan ? |
| 00:08.24 | TheGroove | kcmsambaconf ? |
| 00:08.25 | benkevan | Half-Left: The Sharing module.. I think it is.. |
| 00:08.43 | Half-Left | "Sharing" |
| 00:08.54 | benkevan | systemsettings Sharing doens't work |
| 00:09.09 | TheGroove | kcmsambaconf does work |
| 00:09.12 | Half-Left | For SMB? |
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| 00:09.23 | TheGroove | For me, anyway. |
| 00:09.28 | Half-Left | Why don't you use Dolphin? |
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| 00:09.40 | benkevan | TheGroove: systemsettings kcmsambaconf doens't work for me either |
| 00:09.49 | TheGroove | No, no systemsettings. |
| 00:09.51 | benkevan | weird.. ldd of the wanted module comes back fine too |
| 00:09.52 | TheGroove | Just kcmsambaconf |
| 00:10.08 | benkevan | Yup.. that doesn't open either |
| 00:10.13 | anrxc | hi, I have two screens, if okular (kde 4.4) is started on screen 2 none of the menus (ANY menu) show up until I move okular to screen 1 |
| 00:10.15 | TheGroove | Does it say anything? |
| 00:10.22 | benkevan | just command not found |
| 00:10.26 | anrxc | the same is true for ALL kde 4.4 applications |
| 00:10.30 | Half-Left | It shows two options here |
| 00:10.33 | TheGroove | alt+F2 |
| 00:10.40 | Axtroz | benkevan: Try kcmshell4 'fileshare' |
| 00:10.43 | TheGroove | If you enter just kcmsambaconf in that box, what does it do? |
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| 00:11.04 | anrxc | can someone please explain to me what is going on and how it's possible that his happens |
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| 00:11.28 | git__ | hi -- is there a frontend and rendering integrated app for docbook? |
| 00:11.28 | benkevan | Axtroz: Closer.. the one I'm looking for is systemsettings --> Sharing .. (do you know the kcmshell) for that? |
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| 00:11.51 | oneforall | Adjust date and time whats the command to rune from konsole |
| 00:12.14 | Gentoochild | I'm really pleased with the UI's improved performance in 4.4. Well done *thumbs up |
| 00:12.16 | Gentoochild | * |
| 00:12.22 | TheGroove | How'bout "date" and "time"? :D |
| 00:12.25 | Gentoochild | just wanted to say this :) |
| 00:12.46 | Axtroz | benkevan: kcmshell4 --list lists all modules available |
| 00:12.47 | oneforall | TheGroove talking the clock on the panel |
| 00:12.54 | Half-Left | oneforall: It's a systemsettings module |
| 00:13.04 | alienBOB | oneforall: can't do without polkit |
| 00:13.40 | Half-Left | or kdesu |
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| 00:13.53 | benkevan | hummmm.. can't figure out which one it is.. brb.. gotta piss. |
| 00:14.06 | Half-Left | Gentoochild: :) |
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| 00:14.30 | Gentoochild | so, no-one here who runs X-Plane? |
| 00:14.38 | oneforall | so its still wants polkit and not polkit-1 yet |
| 00:14.51 | Axtroz | benkevan: kcmshell4 smb ??? This one ? |
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| 00:16.14 | Gentoochild | I'm on a german locale, and when I load X-Plane in KDE3, I switch to US layout. But this doesn't work in KDE4 for some reason |
| 00:16.38 | TheGroove | kcmshell4 fileshare works for me. IF that's the right one. |
| 00:16.50 | Gentoochild | I need the US layout, because I use the same installation in Windows, where it uses US layout regardless of my locale |
| 00:16.53 | phoenixz | Why does amarok (KDE4.4 beta3) require access to the kwallet system to play audio? I know security is an issue and stuff but isnt kwallet a bit over the top for just playing music? :) |
| 00:17.04 | benkevan | i don't have smb |
| 00:17.14 | benkevan | unless you're talking smbconf.. which isn't the one |
| 00:17.15 | pinotree | phoenixz: #amarok |
| 00:17.16 | oneforall | trying to get a readout from ctrl+alt+Fx is a bit harder now with tons of info scrolling by :) |
| 00:17.17 | Axtroz | No |
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| 00:17.34 | Axtroz | I am talking about what comes up when you go to System Settings -> Sharin |
| 00:17.38 | Axtroz | Sharing * |
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| 00:17.52 | benkevan | ah.. ok.. yeah. .I don't have kmshell4 smb |
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| 00:20.06 | Axtroz | benkevan: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4971/snapshot2l.png |
| 00:20.07 | TheGroove | benkevan: are you missing a kdenetwork package, perhaps? |
| 00:20.23 | Axtroz | the selected choice in System Settings is what you seek, correct? |
| 00:20.24 | TheGroove | kcmshell4 smb is what pops up that exact dialog for me. |
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| 00:21.19 | Axtroz | I got the same issue as you before when I compiled KDE on a system without the samba package installed. Maybe that is the case |
| 00:21.19 | pinotree | Axtroz: about the animated gif artifacts, can you please report a bug? |
| 00:21.38 | Axtroz | pinotree: I will, no problem :) |
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| 00:22.38 | benkevan | i have samba installed.. reinstalling now :) |
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| 00:23.04 | Axtroz | btw, I got another issue, or rather question about Konqueror. It's stretching the login form on this page http://arenabg.com/login.php way down, while Opera and Firefox are displaying it correctly. Possible site bug or Konqueror-bug ? |
| 00:23.22 | oneforall | alienBOB yeah but I thought 4.4 release here it will work with polkit-1 now. installed polkit-kde-1 too but still no luck and tracing this crap down >:( |
| 00:24.21 | benkevan | So Axtroz: You got it by doing kcmshell4 smb ? |
| 00:24.27 | benkevan | just that? damn.. where mine be. .HAHAHAH |
| 00:24.31 | Axtroz | Yep |
| 00:24.40 | Axtroz | Seems your "smb" module is not compiling. |
| 00:24.45 | benkevan | agreed.. |
| 00:24.48 | Axtroz | Dunno, perhaps you need to recompile kdebase ? |
| 00:24.54 | benkevan | that's what I'm pondering |
| 00:24.56 | benkevan | going to do so now |
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| 00:25.59 | benkevan | Axtroz: can you see if you have the kcm_smb.so in /usr/lib(orlib64)/kde/ |
| 00:26.42 | oneforall | Half-Left so it a systemsettings module and no what to run it from konsole to se what it spits out |
| 00:26.53 | oneforall | what/way |
| 00:27.01 | Axtroz | benkevan: I got this /usr/lib/kde4/kio_smb.so |
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| 00:28.59 | benkevan | as do I .. and ldd is all fine.. this is bizzare . haha |
| 00:29.53 | benkevan | whoops.. time to go home |
| 00:29.56 | benkevan | i'll check it tomorrow |
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| 00:36.21 | McManiaC | hey guys⦠I cannot right click on my desktop anymore⦠how can I access the desktop settings through system settings? |
| 00:36.55 | McManiaC | www.n-sch.de/desktop.png |
| 00:37.05 | McManiaC | cannot access anything there⦠|
| 00:38.40 | sreich | aw... |
| 00:38.54 | sreich | I think your distro *may* have screwed something up |
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| 00:39.04 | McManiaC | >.> |
| 00:39.11 | sreich | try giving the desktop focus, then do the following shortcuts.. |
| 00:39.25 | sreich | Alt-D, Alt-S |
| 00:39.34 | sreich | the comma meaning that you let go when you hit it |
| 00:39.44 | MinceR | McManiaC: can you left-click the cashew on the lower left corner? that should have a Desktop Settings menu item too |
| 00:40.02 | sreich | ah, I didn't even see that |
| 00:40.02 | McManiaC | sreich: awesome, thx |
| 00:40.04 | sreich | that should work :) |
| 00:40.12 | sreich | McManiaC: now you have to setup Mouse Plugins |
| 00:40.14 | McManiaC | MinceR: there was nothing |
| 00:40.19 | sreich | they are supposed to be on by default... |
| 00:40.19 | MinceR | ic |
| 00:40.33 | sreich | guess I made a good call, after all ;-) |
| 00:40.36 | McManiaC | mouse pluggins? |
| 00:40.50 | sreich | McManiaC: yeah..in that dialog, there should be a mouse plugin category |
| 00:41.00 | sreich | mouse actions |
| 00:41.09 | McManiaC | ah okay |
| 00:41.17 | sreich | then setup the Standard Menu to be bound for RMB, or whatev. your pref. is |
| 00:41.26 | McManiaC | it is |
| 00:41.45 | sreich | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.01 | McManiaC | oh wait |
| 00:42.08 | McManiaC | had to reopen the window |
| 00:42.09 | McManiaC | ^^ |
| 00:42.26 | sreich | heh |
| 00:42.33 | sreich | McManiaC: also..I wonder why your system tray looks strange |
| 00:42.43 | sreich | you may want to right-click panel, then panel settings, then add a spacer |
| 00:43.04 | sreich | wonders if it's a theme problem though? *shrug* |
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| 00:43.56 | McManiaC | hmm yeh |
| 00:44.01 | McManiaC | didnt have it befor |
| 00:44.01 | McManiaC | e |
| 00:44.02 | McManiaC | :D |
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| 00:46.55 | pinchartl | hi |
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| 00:53.10 | Goliath | hi |
| 00:53.18 | Goliath | where is the kde icon source located? |
| 00:53.24 | Goliath | i want to find the icon of smplayer |
| 00:53.57 | cleary | I don't think smplayer is part of the core kde code |
| 00:54.07 | cleary | Goliath: what's your distro? |
| 00:54.11 | Goliath | archlinux |
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| 00:55.18 | Sho_ | Goliath: trunk/kdesupport/oxygen-icons |
| 00:55.26 | Goliath | trunk? |
| 00:55.32 | Goliath | where is that |
| 00:55.32 | Sho_ | Goliath: SVN path |
| 00:56.03 | Sho_ | Goliath: I don't think that the SMPlayer icon is part of Oxygen, however |
| 00:56.26 | Goliath | what is the absolute path |
| 00:56.28 | Goliath | of that |
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| 00:57.13 | cleary | Goliath: here's a debian source package: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/smplayer/smplayer_0.6.8.orig.tar.gz |
| 00:57.29 | Goliath | cleary: its in my system |
| 00:57.32 | Goliath | if i go |
| 00:57.32 | cleary | smplayer themes package: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/smplayer-themes/smplayer-themes_0.1.20+dfsg.orig.tar.gz |
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| 00:57.40 | Goliath | menu editor |
| 00:57.42 | Goliath | i can find it |
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| 00:57.58 | cleary | Goliath: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 00:58.25 | Goliath | i just need it |
| 00:59.06 | sreich | ... |
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| 00:59.23 | cleary | it'll be in the source tarball I linkesd |
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| 00:59.41 | cleary | then you'll have it. |
| 01:00.09 | pinotree | $ kiconfinder smplayer |
| 01:00.18 | hunt | Hi, everytime I try to change from khtml to webkit in Konqueror I get a dialog that konqueror couldn't find the module webkit, I use KDE 4.4 and kwebkitpart is installed. |
| 01:01.24 | cleary | pinotree: ooh, never seen that before :) |
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| 01:07.39 | hunt | hm... could maybe someone try wether webkitview in konqueror works for him? |
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| 01:16.08 | McManiaC | how do I get "shutdown" options in the kde menu? |
| 01:16.13 | McManiaC | I dont use kdm tho⦠|
| 01:17.06 | sreich | I'm not sure if you can, without using kdm.. |
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| 01:17.34 | cleary | they work with gdm |
| 01:17.39 | cleary | here at least |
| 01:17.50 | cleary | that's the only other DM I've tried |
| 01:18.30 | McManiaC | hm I use slim |
| 01:20.51 | cleary | I've used slim, but not with kde I'm afraid |
| 01:20.59 | McManiaC | kay |
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| 01:33.18 | peeeta | Hi all, is there any reference to KDE4 dbus services? I was trying to google one, but unsuccessfully. Thanks a lot |
| 01:35.25 | sreich | huh? |
| 01:35.29 | sreich | what kind of reference? |
| 01:35.42 | peeeta | a list would be ideal... |
| 01:36.05 | peeeta | my problem is I do not know what functions to call in order to do what I want |
| 01:36.51 | peeeta | As I am new to dbus it may well be that my problem lies in dbus itself (in which case I apologize) |
| 01:37.40 | sreich | qdbusviewer ? |
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| 01:37.53 | peeeta | ;-) Thanks |
| 01:38.07 | peeeta | I believe that is what I was looking for! |
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| 01:42.00 | Elliotw2 | Does KDE have a input mechanism for japanese? |
| 01:42.48 | cleary | Elliotw2: scim is the tool |
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| 01:42.57 | cleary | there is a kde frontend for it iirc |
| 01:43.14 | cleary | I've only looked into it very briefly (since I'm monolingual...) |
| 01:43.35 | cleary | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.35 | cleary | skim - smart common input method platform for KDE |
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| 01:45.40 | cleary | scim-tables-ja - Japanese input method data tables for SCIM platform |
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| 01:48.18 | Elliotw2 | Alright, thinks |
| 01:48.31 | Elliotw2 | (Not ubuntu, so it's be pacman -S scim) |
| 01:49.12 | cleary | I'm on debian anyway :P |
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| 01:51.43 | DDevine | Hey, I am running kde 4.4 on Fedora and I am wondering how you tab windows together. |
| 01:51.56 | Elliotw2 | Get to many on the task bar |
| 01:52.01 | sreich | MMB drag, if you have oxygen windeco set |
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| 01:52.33 | sreich | and you may have to enable it, in syssettings->window behaviour |
| 01:53.04 | xevious | Does KDE 4.4's new tabbing feature have a standard interface that programs can use? IE, will Konsole and Konqueror switch to using kwm's built-in tabbing? I think that would make the UI much more fluid. |
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| 01:54.43 | sreich | xevious: it isn't like that currently, e.g. with konsole it would be tabs within tabs |
| 01:54.57 | sreich | although I don't see why that's incredibly bad, because I already have enough tabs in konsole itself |
| 01:55.04 | sreich | if they get mixed in with window tabs I would be lost |
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| 01:55.14 | DDevine | Ah, it seems konqueror is using 60% of my little CPU. |
| 01:55.20 | DDevine | This doesn't normally happen |
| 01:55.42 | DDevine | Not Konqeuror sorry, I meant Konversation. |
| 01:56.03 | DDevine | Not sure how this IRC client uses 70% CPU... |
| 01:56.32 | xevious | sreich: I use 4.4 on my laptop, so I can understand your perspective... Do you understand how it could be also be more fluid the way I described? |
| 01:56.46 | sreich | yes |
| 01:56.50 | xevious | sreich: Is there an API for it, though? |
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| 01:57.27 | sreich | xevious: sorry, I don't know, that's beyond what I do |
| 01:57.33 | xevious | sreich: OK. |
| 01:57.41 | xevious | sreich: Any idea who I should bug with questions about this? |
| 01:58.01 | xevious | I think I'll hack at Konsole and make it work that way. Then, work with it a few days and see what I think... |
| 01:58.11 | xevious | Maybe make it a switchable setting. |
| 01:58.45 | sreich | xevious: I'm not even sure how that would be possible, tbh |
| 01:59.09 | sreich | oh, I see... |
| 01:59.22 | sreich | you mean that konsole shouldn't show tabbar if tabs == 1 ? |
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| 02:00.26 | xevious | sreich: No... I'm going to modify just the create new tab function, really. |
| 02:00.53 | sreich | xevious: ah, okay. I was just thinking that you could create as many windows as you wanted, then tab them |
| 02:00.55 | xevious | sreich: Make it so that it actually creates a new window, but starts it as a KWM (4.4) tab. |
| 02:01.13 | sreich | KWM? |
| 02:01.29 | xevious | Well the new 4.4 tabbing is managed by kwm. |
| 02:01.35 | sreich | kwin, you mean |
| 02:01.38 | xevious | yeah |
| 02:01.38 | xevious | haha |
| 02:01.47 | xevious | went old-school. |
| 02:01.52 | sreich | yeah, kwm is something older isn't it? |
| 02:01.58 | sreich | kde 2 days? |
| 02:02.00 | xevious | KDE 2.x |
| 02:02.06 | sreich | hah, good guess :) |
| 02:02.09 | xevious | :D |
| 02:02.09 | xevious | oops |
| 02:02.48 | xevious | Lately I've had several times where I wanted to check the thumbnail of my other Konsole tabs. |
| 02:03.03 | xevious | just to glance if a compile is done or not... |
| 02:03.06 | xevious | Stuff like that. |
| 02:03.15 | xevious | If there's anything highlighted in my IRC tab... |
| 02:03.16 | sreich | yeah |
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| 02:03.29 | xevious | If it were integrated with kwin's tabbing, then I could do that... |
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| 02:40.28 | Adola | Hello! I just upgraded to 4.4 and my volume up/down buttons aren't working. |
| 02:40.29 | Adola | Any idea? |
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| 02:43.36 | Scunizi | *How* do I keep networkmanager (kde) from automatically using the "Auto eth0" settings? I've configured a static IP but I have to manually switch to it on each boot. |
| 02:44.39 | sreich | Adola: kmix running? |
| 02:45.13 | Adola | sreich: I think so. |
| 02:45.33 | Adola | It wasn't :] |
| 02:45.37 | sreich | :) |
| 02:45.41 | Adola | Uhm, shouldn't it be in the daemons? |
| 02:45.46 | Adola | Or do I need to add it? |
| 02:46.25 | sreich | uhm..what?? |
| 02:46.45 | Adola | I mean, how come kmix didn't start up? |
| 02:46.48 | Adola | It was before. |
| 02:47.07 | sreich | crashed? |
| 02:47.14 | Adola | Oh, yeah perhaps. |
| 02:47.16 | Adola | Thanks :] |
| 02:47.20 | sreich | I don't know how kmix starts up, but I'm pretty sure it's not a daemon, merely an app |
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| 03:07.38 | lmurray | xevious: KWM was KDE 1, KWin is a KDE 2 project |
| 03:08.30 | sreich | lmurray: damnit! |
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| 03:08.54 | sreich | needs to learn his kde history. I dont' know much before kde3.5 (and only a little bit at that) |
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| 03:09.14 | sreich | then again, I guess the past is only useful if we aren't innovating ;-) |
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| 03:15.42 | TomasuAway | I can't remember, whats the release schedule like? every 4 months? |
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| 03:17.50 | hunt | Hi, I use bespin theme and everytime I run an application as root (i.e. kdesu systemsettings) the style falls back to oxygen (just for that application) how do I fix that? |
| 03:18.21 | cleary | hunt: run the systemsettings application as super user, and change your theme in there |
| 03:18.58 | cleary | as a side note, it often pays to know which windows have root access and which don't, so having different themes is actually recommended |
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| 03:20.46 | hunt | cleary: I understand that but I do not have windows with root access open very often so I can remember which one has which permissions. |
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| 03:22.50 | hunt | cleary: thx worked! |
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| 03:25.00 | TomasuDlrrp | sorry if someone already answered, but I got dropped off the irc server, I can't recall what the kde release schedule is like, is it every 4 months? or every 6? |
| 03:26.30 | hunt | ThomasuDlrrp: 6 |
| 03:26.36 | TomasuDlrrp | cool thanks |
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| 03:34.36 | Stattrav | guys when i am trying to update the kdelibs i am getting a phonon dependancy error which inturn conflicts with qt |
| 03:35.24 | deitarion | (I'm trying to get some components shared between a KDE desktop and an IceWM desktop in my roaming profile to "do the right thing") |
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| 03:44.28 | Stattrav | guys figured it out done anyways |
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| 04:02.05 | hunt | I've got the problem that I cant theme kdm, I open systemsettings, go to kdm settings and everything is grey, so I do kdesu systemsettings and go to kdm settings, change the theme settings to design, hit apply, logout and boom there is the old style with default_blue wallpaper and ugly window. |
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| 04:04.04 | jschall | i deleted my panel. how do i get it back the way it was (it had kicker, chrome, window list, notifications, etc.) |
| 04:04.18 | jschall | do i have to rebuild it? |
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| 04:09.40 | necrodearia | oops, wrong chan |
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| 04:29.19 | Alumin | anybody know how to open a Konsole window with multiple tabs under KDE 4.x? |
| 04:29.31 | Alumin | (Konsole 2.3.2) |
| 04:30.05 | Alumin | to clarify, I need to be able to open the window _with_ the multiple tabs...obviously I'm aware of how to add tabs to an existing window :) |
| 04:30.43 | Alumin | I used to be able to do this in KDE 3 by dynamically building a "profile" file with a script, and then invoking Konsole with that profile |
| 04:31.05 | Alumin | but the new profile format for this new Konsole doesn't seem to support multiple tabs |
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| 04:32.35 | objorn | can someone estimate how many kde users there are? |
| 04:32.41 | objorn | or is there a site for this? |
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| 05:49.26 | Bausparfuchs | goodd morning, maybe someone can help me. I just updated my Kubuntu Karmic to 4.4 and as a result I get a plasma crash on every startup. I dont know if my debug information is useful cause it includes some "??" but perhaps anyone can have a look at it? http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/397618/ |
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| 05:58.38 | caf4926 | Bausparfuchs: did you do a distro upgrade |
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| 06:00.25 | caf4926 | Bausparfuchs: it looks to me that your widgets are the cause |
| 06:00.39 | caf4926 | Bausparfuchs: your old settings |
| 06:01.12 | Bausparfuchs | caf4926: oh sorry, i forget to tell it here: I removed my beloved smooth task widget and now it works ;-) |
| 06:01.24 | caf4926 | Bausparfuchs: OK |
| 06:02.33 | Bausparfuchs | but I just noticed, that after my update, konversation is unusable slow. typing has a delay of about a second |
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| 06:03.42 | caf4926 | If you look in top it will show high cpu |
| 06:03.55 | caf4926 | mine did this at first run |
| 06:04.22 | caf4926 | I closed it, logged out and back in - start again and it's OK |
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| 06:09.02 | Bausparfuchs | seems you're right, I have 98% load, will try to close and re-login |
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| 06:14.51 | Bausparfuchs | caf4926: does not work for me. did you determine wwhat exactly that cpu load is caused by? |
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| 06:16.09 | caf4926 | No, I had the same in RC3 |
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| 06:16.50 | caf4926 | I updated yestrday and had it when I logged in, to a board meeting, really anoying |
| 06:17.21 | caf4926 | but after logout, I may have restarted too |
| 06:17.34 | caf4926 | when I try it again it was fine |
| 06:18.37 | caf4926 | I'm using openSUSE |
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| 06:19.28 | caf4926 | Bausparfuchs: :-) |
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| 06:22.15 | Bausparfuchs | ok, I wil work on that later, now I have to go to an exam. thx |
| 06:22.25 | caf4926 | K |
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| 07:04.37 | comawhite | yes |
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| 07:06.37 | powtrix | hi. when the alt-f2 does work, what I could restart without restart X? |
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| 07:07.11 | powtrix | the command alt-f2 to run some command stopped |
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| 07:08.46 | Speedy2 | It seems like pack tries to "justify" the window left/right/up/down in a screen, it rubber-bands to an edge and if you call it again, it pushes it to the next screen. |
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| 07:52.46 | rethus | where can i set the option to write the content of a mail into the new answer-mail instead of attach the first massage to the mail? |
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| 08:02.50 | corinth | Hi room. Does anyone know of a way to get a better weather provider, for example Yahoo weather, for the default KDE widgets like the lcd weather? |
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| 08:18.23 | e01 | hello |
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| 08:18.55 | e01 | i have kde4.4 official, but have the same problem and on early reliases |
| 08:19.13 | e01 | when try to resize some window it is resizing verry slowly and in slises |
| 08:19.29 | Torch | e01: gpu and driver? |
| 08:19.30 | e01 | i am running xorg with nvidia bynari drivers |
| 08:20.57 | e01 | Torch: 8500 gt, nvidia latest driver from the site |
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| 08:32.25 | FeasibilityStudy | How do I get my favorite program icons to show up on my Desktop (folder view) in KDE 4.4? |
| 08:32.35 | FeasibilityStudy | In 4.3 I could just drag and drop. That is no longer permitted |
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| 08:33.13 | FeasibilityStudy | i mean I guess I could create one manually, but that's a PITA. Why was drag and drop removed? |
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| 08:37.55 | FeasibilityStudy | I want my drag and drop, damn it! :( |
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| 08:41.26 | rethus | i i want to sign a mail with kmail, i got the error: wrong phraraphrase |
| 08:41.32 | rethus | anyone know why? |
| 08:41.41 | rethus | i didn't be asked for a paraphrase |
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| 09:00.02 | Torch | rethus: maybe you're missing the pinentry app or it's not configured correctly |
| 09:00.38 | rethus | i use kgpg and it works for encrypting messages with keys |
| 09:00.46 | rethus | but only sign email not work. |
| 09:00.53 | rethus | where can i check my settings? |
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| 09:03.01 | rethus | Torch: how can i check step for step if everything is right installed and configured? |
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| 09:03.48 | Torch | rethus: run kmail from a shell and see what it says when you try to sign a mail. |
| 09:03.55 | rethus | ok |
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| 09:06.57 | rethus | Torch: no output on shell |
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| 09:10.09 | Torch | rethus: run kdebugdialog and turn all debugging output on |
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| 09:14.48 | rethus | Torch:have done so... window disapear and nothing still happend |
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| 09:16.15 | rethus | Torch: what should i do now? |
| 09:17.57 | Torch | rethus: you ran kdebugdialog and turned on all debugging output? |
| 09:18.08 | Torch | rethus: then you ran kmail again and it still does not show any output at all? |
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| 09:27.30 | rethus | Torch: jes, run it and turn on "all" |
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| 09:27.41 | rethus | no output at all |
| 09:27.51 | Torch | rethus: what distro is this? |
| 09:28.01 | rethus | kubuntu 9.10 |
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| 09:28.28 | rethus | strange for me, the enccryption wors very well... nut only signing a mail works not |
| 09:28.44 | Torch | rethus: i get debug output on kubuntu 9.10 though |
| 09:28.51 | Torch | wonders what's still missing here. |
| 09:28.51 | rethus | before i send a mail which was encrypted with the public-key from a other user... works |
| 09:29.40 | rethus | i run kdebugdialog an mark k"all", press ok, and seems that kdebugdialog is only stopped... cause in shell it promt to next line |
| 09:30.32 | rethus | and if i do: ps aux |grep kdebugdialog i got nothing back |
| 09:30.41 | rethus | or is this only a config-session |
| 09:30.44 | Torch | rethus: you don't run it and keep it open |
| 09:30.45 | rethus | config setting |
| 09:30.50 | Torch | rethus: yes, it's a config thing that's set once |
| 09:31.00 | rethus | ah, ok |
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| 09:33.16 | rethus | can there be a problem with my key for signing? |
| 09:33.39 | rethus | must it be a special signing key, or could it only be my normaly oprivate-key |
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| 09:34.12 | Torch | rethus: didn't you say you weren't even asked to unlock your private key? |
| 09:34.30 | rethus | one moment, which programm is used for handling certificate |
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| 09:34.42 | rethus | jes |
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| 09:35.17 | rethus | i've gone now to indentity >> Settings >> Kryptographie and open the openpggp-dialoge |
| 09:35.52 | rethus | if i press the button for certrtificate handling... i got an error thats this is not instlalled or missconfiguration |
| 09:36.56 | rethus | is this kleopatra? |
| 09:37.11 | rethus | or other programms |
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| 09:39.30 | rethus | ah, i see now kleopatra is not installed. |
| 09:39.46 | rethus | should i install ist, oder should i install another certification manager? |
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| 09:42.23 | kriko | yay, I've filled 3 bug reports! |
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| 09:43.50 | rethus | Torch: BUT KGPG AND KLEOPATRA ARE SAME KIND OF PROGRAMMS ? |
| 09:43.58 | rethus | ups sorry... caps-lock |
| 09:44.16 | bitshuffler | Morning guys. Could anyone please give me a hand getting my search in dolphin working? Running nepomuk stuff: http://pastebin.be/23416 Installed packages: http://pastebin.be/23415 - still every single search in dolphin returns nothing. |
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| 09:44.35 | bitshuffler | (^ is a fresh 4.4 install with clean ~./config & ~/.kde*) |
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| 09:47.23 | Torch | rethus: i have no idea what kleopatra really does, i don't even have it installed. |
| 09:47.34 | rethus | what did u use? |
| 09:47.37 | rethus | kgpg? |
| 09:48.45 | Torch | rethus: i use kgpg as a gnupg frontend, yes. |
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| 09:49.33 | Torch | rethus: what does this command give you: grep pinentry ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf |
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| 09:55.08 | MaikB | Hello. I got some sounds issue with kde-4.4(on arch64). The system sounds (like the welcome and goodbye tunes) skip their beginnings. Same for amarok, in there a song starts playing about 1 sec into the song |
| 09:55.21 | MaikB | someone else obverved this? |
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| 10:31.56 | |moe| | hey there. installed kde 4.4 on my opensuse 11.2 and having trouble with some feature. the netbook-shell does not allow me to place apps on page one and the other tab respectively. also i am missing my favourites from the old desktop. iirc they should be displayed but instead i have to start everything by alt+f2 |
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| 10:37.20 | |moe| | found it, had to set the seek&start layer to a seek&start-layer, it was still set to desktop-area |
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| 10:46.02 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
| 10:46.14 | pARAd0X85 | is it easy to create a KWin plugin ? |
| 10:46.32 | pARAd0X85 | a compositing plugin, like plugins for Compiz |
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| 10:48.46 | pinotree | pARAd0X85: #kwin |
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| 10:51.34 | nucleo | Hi. When extragear 4.4.0 will be available? |
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| 10:53.11 | bitshuffler | Could anyone please give me a hand getting that search in dolphin working? Running nepomuk stuff: http://pastebin.be/23416 Installed packages: http://pastebin.be/23415 - It claims to be up and running but regardless of what I search for I always get 0 results. |
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| 10:55.47 | Axtroz | bitshuffler: Check if the virtuoso server is running |
| 10:56.28 | bitshuffler | Axtroz: ps aux | grep virtuoso shows "/usr/bin/virtuoso-t +foreground +config /tmp/virtuoso_XM3587.ini +wait" |
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| 10:57.41 | Axtroz | Hm, dunno, are your files indexed? |
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| 10:58.12 | bitshuffler | It says 640 files indexed which needs 82.7 MB |
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| 10:58.41 | bitshuffler | stuff seems to be in ~/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/ |
| 10:59.08 | Axtroz | I don't know, I ran out of ideas :( |
| 10:59.28 | bitshuffler | ah well, thanks for trying though :) |
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| 11:01.17 | bitshuffler | but I take it "nepomuk:/" in dolphin should work on 4.4 or is it some special dev thingy? |
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| 11:28.55 | bitshuffler | Searching for something puts http://pastebin.be/23417 in my ~/.xsession-errors. Anyone who can make sense out of it? |
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| 11:29.13 | rethus | now have problems to get gpg to run... |
| 11:29.38 | rethus | get this if i try to get gpg-agent to run: http://pastebin.com/d18234dee |
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| 11:37.17 | pinotree | rethus: why do you run it with sudo? |
| 11:37.48 | rethus | i also run as user... and has same result |
| 11:38.28 | pinotree | gpg-agent --daemon |
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| 11:39.18 | rethus | ok, seems to work, but my problem still exist... i can't import my certificates. |
| 11:40.38 | rethus | pinotree: for example.. i've got a public certificate and try to import it |
| 11:40.54 | rethus | got teh message that 0 is importet... and no errror aviable |
| 11:42.27 | rethus | got this on shell, if i try to import a certificate: |
| 11:42.42 | rethus | http://pastebin.com/d70822be2 |
| 11:45.40 | rethus | if i try to import to kgpg i got: |
| 11:45.40 | rethus | kgpg(3248)/kio (KDirListerCache) KDirListerCache::forgetDirs: KDirLister(0x9601968) item moved into cache: KUrl("file:///home/suther/Kryptographie") |
| 11:45.40 | rethus | kgpg(3248)/kio (KDirListerCache) KDirListerCache::forgetDirs: KDirLister(0x95d8960) item moved into cache: KUrl("trash:/") |
| 11:46.01 | rethus | and nothing is imported |
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| 11:50.02 | rethus | mhh, i now renamed th file ./gnupg/options, and all works well again |
| 11:53.13 | rethus | what is the difference between kleopatra and kgpg ? |
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| 11:54.02 | ahox | Hi, I just installed kde4.4 and now my akonadi does not work anymore. First error comes from mysql, http://paste.ubuntu.com/373884/ . I did the changes to the mysql config file as suggested on the akonadi wiki to no avail. Any ideas? |
| 11:55.14 | TheGroove | ahox: try running mysql_fix_privilege_tables |
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| 11:55.48 | rethus | which distribution? |
| 11:55.57 | ahox | TheGroove: In what package is this program? |
| 11:56.12 | TheGroove | ahox: mysql... though let me check if it's not a Slackware-specific script. |
| 11:56.42 | TheGroove | Nope, should be part of your mysql package. |
| 11:56.57 | TheGroove | Possibly you need root for it, though. |
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| 11:58.21 | ahox | TheGroove: and its a bash script? |
| 11:58.27 | TheGroove | ahox: yes |
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| 12:02.31 | simion314 | hi, i am using kubuntu woth kde4.4 and i have problems with the weather plasmoids, i find my city (Targu Jiu ,Romania) on Acu Weather but the data is not loading in the plasmoids(i tried all plasmoids) if i search for a larger city it works, i went to the web page and there i can find the weather for my cit http://www.accuweather.com/world-index-forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&locCode=EUR|RO|RO021|TARGU%20JIU&metric=1 , could be a bug in the |
| 12:02.33 | simion314 | weather engine? |
| 12:03.55 | ahox | This did not help, any other ideas to get akonadi running? |
| 12:04.08 | TheGroove | Same error? |
| 12:04.19 | ahox | yes |
| 12:05.54 | TheGroove | mysql_install_db --user=mysql then? |
| 12:06.42 | ahox | my akonadi uses the internal mysqlserver (mysql-akonadi) I understood that this should be done automaticly? |
| 12:07.35 | TheGroove | Well, you need a basic user table, etc., which isn't normally created automatically, but some distros do it for you... not sure if akonadi does this automatically. |
| 12:07.44 | TheGroove | I'm guessing not because i had to do it manually. |
| 12:08.21 | TheGroove | Though I don't have mysql-akonadi so my setup may be different. |
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| 12:15.25 | ahox | I had another look at the akonadictl start output and found the following error, http://pastebin.ca/1793781 in line 64ff, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage |
| 12:15.37 | ahox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:28.37 | Adam_eM | hi there |
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| 12:30.43 | Adam_eM | i just recently installed a fresh OS + the recent release of KDE SC, but I have some major problems with running it. When plasma starts, screen flickers several times and it ends up with black screen (no desktop at all). I can however run the netbook mode |
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| 12:31.18 | Adam_eM | could you please take a look at that? It's the output of plasma-desktop command |
| 12:31.21 | Adam_eM | http://pastebin.com/m19077c6 |
| 12:31.21 | cb400f | did you have old settings on the system? |
| 12:31.47 | Adam_eM | cb400f: no, it's a completely fresh installation |
| 12:31.49 | cb400f | I mean did the fresh installation include a format of /home |
| 12:32.00 | Adam_eM | cb400f: yes |
| 12:32.20 | cb400f | then I guess the only possibility is a broken installation or packages |
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| 12:52.29 | zarath | hi |
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| 12:54.10 | zarath | how can I supply an expression to KConfigGroup::readEntry with an expand option that evaluates to false in a boolean context |
| 12:55.51 | Torch | zarath: expand option? |
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| 12:57.25 | zarath | Option[$e]=$foo |
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| 12:58.20 | zarath | Torch: don't know how the wording for the evaluation on the values is |
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| 12:58.45 | zarath | the method in the library source seams to be called expand |
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| 12:59.39 | Torch | zarath: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Configuration_Files |
| 13:00.06 | Torch | zarath: you mean that? |
| 13:00.13 | zarath | yes |
| 13:00.27 | Torch | zarath: $foo is wrong, from that doc, though. |
| 13:01.34 | zarath | maybe, but it works and makes no matter if i use ${foo} or $foo |
| 13:01.42 | zarath | result would be the same |
| 13:01.59 | zarath | in fact i even need $(echo $foo) |
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| 13:02.25 | Torch | zarath: which gets you a string, not a boolean, i guess. |
| 13:03.03 | zarath | Torch: depends how readEntry method is called |
| 13:03.35 | Torch | zarath: anyway, i know next to nothing about the KDE config stuff. |
| 13:03.39 | zarath | it's overloaded a hundred times |
| 13:03.53 | Torch | zarath: it's a template, actually |
| 13:04.06 | Torch | zarath: with some specializations |
| 13:04.07 | zarath | yes, and that's why i'm looking for one who knows |
| 13:04.52 | Torch | zarath: #kde-devel seems a lot more suitable for this kind of stuff and IIRC you asked there already. |
| 13:05.14 | zarath | not yet |
| 13:05.36 | zarath | i'll try |
| 13:05.40 | Torch | zarath: ah, ok. then try that. |
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| 13:07.55 | zarath | for your information if you call KConfigGroup::readEntry("Option", false) with $foo set to "false" you get a boolean true |
| 13:08.29 | Torch | zarath: yeah, i guess there's a bug somewhere that doesn't convert the result from the shell expansion to a boolean... just guessing, though. |
| 13:08.34 | pinotree | and if $foo is empty? |
| 13:08.46 | zarath | pinotree: also true |
| 13:09.02 | zarath | put 0 or -1 in it |
| 13:09.06 | zarath | -> true |
| 13:09.29 | zarath | so there seems no possibility to evaluate to false |
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| 13:09.50 | zarath | i consider this as a bug or at least as a missing feature |
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| 13:11.17 | zarath | resulting in the fact, that shell expansion of KDesktopFile::noDisplay option is impossible |
| 13:11.23 | Torch | zarath: if it is the way you describe it's a bug, sure. |
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| 13:14.22 | Frantic | guys, is there a way to get the kde <4.4 look in 4.4? |
| 13:14.43 | Frantic | I mean the titlebar and the widgets without the funky new shine on them? |
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| 13:36.11 | darkbasic | I just upgraded to kde 4.4, but akonadi complains about "No resource agents found" http://pastebin.com/d192a1128 |
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| 13:40.27 | TheGroove | darkbasic: you can add one in "Configure KDE resources" in the advanced tab of system settings. |
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| 13:40.51 | TheGroove | Possibly it's a path issue, though. |
| 13:41.56 | deever | Kaffeine 0.8.9 (KDE 3.5.10) show the errors at startup: "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed.": "All Audio Drivers failed to initialize!" |
| 13:42.11 | deever | what's the problem? |
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| 13:44.22 | darkbasic | TheGroove: thank you, it seems a know bug un the kde-overlay, they have just committed soprano-2.4.0.1, I'm just trying it to see if it solve |
| 13:46.47 | deever | amarok works, though! |
| 13:47.08 | TheGroove | Does amarok use the xine backend, though? |
| 13:47.32 | deever | i don't care |
| 13:47.47 | deever | i'd like to have kaffeine working |
| 13:48.02 | TheGroove | Is pulseaudio in between? |
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| 13:48.51 | deever | amarok uses xine too, yes! |
| 13:49.03 | TheGroove | Peculiar |
| 13:49.09 | deever | interesting...thought that it used gstreamer..:) |
| 13:50.19 | deever | so i really can't understand why kaffeine doesn't work |
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| 14:24.39 | JackWinter | i'm having problems getting my wine programs into the K menu. no matter how i twist and turn they only show up as lost & found. i might have deleted something i shouldn't in either ~/.local or ~/.config. can i simply rm ~/.config/menus and ./local/ applications, desktop-directories and icons, and have them automatically rebuilt, or alternatively is there an app that will recreate the structure needed? |
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| 14:40.27 | EugenA | hi, can i see the images in digikam if they are on network storage? |
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| 14:50.01 | cptG | upon importing my thunderbird-emails-folder into kmail i noticed that thunderbird never really deleted message physically, just marked them as deleted - so about 20 000 messages were imported... |
| 14:50.31 | cptG | my question: does kmail really delete them physically if i delete them or will it behave the same as thunderbird and if so: why? |
| 14:51.15 | pinotree | kmail really deletes them if you delete them (not move them to trash, but really delete) |
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| 14:53.29 | cptG | pinotree: ok, thanks |
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| 14:54.33 | ssuominen | Can anyone tell me if redland's virtuoso storage backend module ( /usr/lib64/redland/librdf_storage_virtuoso.so ) is used by KDE 4.4.0 ? |
| 14:54.41 | pinotree | no |
| 14:54.47 | ssuominen | ok. |
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| 14:57.40 | pinotree | kriko: see on planet kde, there are a couple of blogs about kopete for facebook |
| 14:58.15 | kriko | pinotree: I did, it just doesn't work |
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| 15:01.57 | bitshuffler | ^ happens with 4.4.0 here |
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| 15:08.44 | brakkvatn | Where may I ask questions about the KDE API? |
| 15:09.47 | deever | Kaffeine 0.8.9 (KDE 3.5.10) show the errors at startup: "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed.": "All Audio Drivers failed to initialize!" |
| 15:10.13 | deever | what's the problem? amarok works, though it also uses xine! :o |
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| 15:10.56 | Half-Left | brakkvatn: try #kde-devel |
| 15:11.29 | pinotree | deever: in the past i got similar errors when the audio device was already in use |
| 15:11.39 | pinotree | maybe not your actual case, but worth checking anyway |
| 15:11.57 | brakkvatn | Thank you, Half-Left |
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| 15:30.47 | pinotree | #kdevelop |
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| 16:21.50 | cptG | heck... just added export QT_NO_GLIB=1 in my .bashrc and restarted kde - now the kmix-icon in the systray won't show up - why would kmix need a glib mainloop? |
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| 16:24.58 | cptG | argh... seems dbus-related: http://fpaste.org/x55p/ |
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| 16:44.41 | thansen | does KWIN_DIRECT_GL=1 not work in 4.4 any longer? |
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| 16:49.45 | edon | hi, is there any plasmoid that offers a size adjustable clock for the panel. The default clock gets cutoff if the panel is too small |
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| 16:52.54 | Half-Left | edon: Works fine in 4.4 |
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| 17:14.34 | brendan0powers | Has anyone used the cmake support in qt creator for a kde app? |
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| 17:15.36 | puchu | hi |
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| 17:16.48 | puchu | i have this error in the kde tskbar - it seems all kde apps are sometimes centered see picture http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=f1xovo&s=6 - all running apps slide right by the space one app would need .... see space between "desktop switcher" and "downloads" |
| 17:17.06 | puchu | is this error know |
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| 17:17.11 | puchu | or is there a fix for this |
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| 17:18.12 | puchu | its kde 4.4 |
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| 17:22.24 | Half-Left | puchu: Do you have a spacer in there? |
| 17:22.33 | puchu | Half-Left no |
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| 17:22.50 | puchu | Half-Left it only happens now and then |
| 17:22.57 | Half-Left | So your problem is the space? |
| 17:22.57 | puchu | should i show how it looks normal |
| 17:23.10 | puchu | yeah that gets sometimes "inserted" |
| 17:23.20 | puchu | and when i start another app its gone |
| 17:23.24 | Half-Left | Never seen that before |
| 17:23.39 | puchu | its like the apps are centered |
| 17:23.46 | puchu | should i file a bug report? |
| 17:23.49 | Half-Left | Can you remove it or click on the space? |
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| 17:23.58 | puchu | i cant remove anthing |
| 17:24.20 | puchu | its like the normal runnning apps .. and it only happens sometimes |
| 17:24.21 | Half-Left | What happens when you right click the space? |
| 17:24.35 | puchu | i get the normal menu |
| 17:25.07 | puchu | its like the sapce is occupied by a "unseeable" app |
| 17:25.12 | Half-Left | Does it do it in another panel? |
| 17:25.23 | puchu | ? |
| 17:25.28 | puchu | another pannel? |
| 17:25.32 | puchu | i only have ine pannel |
| 17:25.35 | Half-Left | Try it with another panel |
| 17:25.36 | puchu | ine=one |
| 17:25.42 | puchu | it only happens sometimes |
| 17:25.57 | puchu | but i allready removed .kde* and started with a fresh config |
| 17:26.05 | puchu | but this happend again |
| 17:26.13 | Half-Left | Not sure why |
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| 17:26.49 | puchu | should i file a bug report? |
| 17:27.29 | Half-Left | sure |
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| 17:28.54 | puchu | also gwenview hangs for a long time when i try to switch into fullscreen mode |
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| 17:29.05 | puchu | it works after ~30sec of "waiting" |
| 17:30.18 | puchu | Half-Left do you know which app this is that shows the running apps? |
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| 17:30.36 | puchu | should i select plasma? |
| 17:30.44 | Half-Left | it's all plasma |
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| 17:32.33 | puchu | Half-Left bu whats the name of the applet in english that shows all running windows? |
| 17:33.02 | Half-Left | task manager |
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| 17:38.11 | objorn | how do i make the default browser firefox? i'm using konsole inside of gnome |
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| 17:41.31 | Half-Left | objorn: You need systemsettings to do that |
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| 17:46.59 | feindbild | hello :) |
| 17:47.43 | objorn | thanks Half-Left, i'll have to download it |
| 17:48.45 | feindbild | In kde the font sizes are 'strange', there's a huge size difference between 8 and 9, and amost no difference between 7/8 and 9/10. Is there any way to figure out why this might be? |
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| 17:50.26 | feindbild | in kde4 that is, in kde3 it was normal ... |
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| 17:55.41 | feindbild | brb |
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| 17:56.19 | Tanktalus | Can anyone point me to what I have to do to "undelete" my system settings menu item? I suspect I deleted it accidentally - I doubt it was removed from the system (especially since I just uninstalled all of KDE4 and reinstalled 4.4). So it has to be in my ~/.kde4 directory somewhere, I think. |
| 17:56.59 | daedaluz | hi so is KWin + fglrx window resize problem fixed in KDE 4.4? |
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| 17:57.35 | Tanktalus | nevermind ... found it in kmenu, and modifying/unmodifying it there seems to have helped. |
| 17:57.36 | eriberto | hi! how to make to disable automount for usb devices? |
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| 18:05.34 | eriberto | how to make to disable automount for usb devices? |
| 18:05.47 | eriberto | in kde4 |
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| 18:10.35 | mefiX | are there already any binary-packages of kde 4.4 available for ubuntu? |
| 18:10.45 | Torch | mefiX: #kubuntu |
| 18:10.55 | mefiX | thx, sry! |
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| 18:22.45 | Biosftw | hey starting kopete is crashing the plasma desktop? (kde 4.4) |
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| 19:03.42 | Tanktalus | KDE 4.4 / Qt 4.6.1: repainting is horrendous. :-( I get yellow or purple rectangles behind windows. Didn't get this with 4.3.5 and Qt 4.6.1 :-( Anyone have any idea? I'm sure that compositing is somehow involved... |
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| 19:05.14 | Tanktalus | and ksnapshot can't see it... everything gets fixed when I try it. |
| 19:05.38 | MJD | Tanktalus: Did you enable the "Show Paint" effect in desktop effects? |
| 19:06.04 | Tanktalus | Yeah. I've played with it before. This reminds me of it. I double checked it earlier and it's off. |
| 19:06.24 | Tanktalus | The show paint thing went crazy, this is, as far as I can tell, intermittent. |
| 19:07.02 | MJD | Tanktalus: weird. maybe its not being turned off properly? If you turn off compositing, does it go away? |
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| 19:07.53 | Tanktalus | Given that it's intermittent, it'll be hard to tell ;-) |
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| 19:08.37 | MJD | Tanktalus: What driver are you using for your graphics card? |
| 19:08.49 | Tanktalus | radeon |
| 19:09.31 | MJD | maybe its messing up then. Is it up todate? Otherwise, I'm out of ideas. |
| 19:10.37 | Tanktalus | I didn't change the driver level when I upgraded kde from 4.3.5 to 4.4 ... and 4.3.5 had issues with the driver (minor corruptions here and there), but not stuff that looks like the show-paint effect :-) |
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| 19:13.47 | Chartman123 | hi, since kde 4.4 i'm facing a problem with the scaling of oxgen icons especially in dolphin where I use a bigger icon size. the icons are kind of fuzzy, so i think there is a problem with the svg files. |
| 19:13.50 | Tanktalus | yeah, turning off compositing seems to "solve" it... :-( |
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| 19:14.44 | Chartman123 | the oxygen-icon-theme-scalable package on my system is also only around 200 KB in size |
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| 19:37.42 | PasNox | chanserv op #qt-fr |
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| 19:47.04 | kollapse | Is it just me or does plasma 4.4.0 suck at using dark themes ? |
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| 20:07.15 | omicron23 | hi there. is there any good kde program which can be used to draw layouts? I want to draw a layout of a large tent and then move put and move stuff around in there, like tables, seats and so on. |
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| 20:09.22 | cb400f | omicron23: qcad is a qt3 cad app |
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| 20:12.36 | omicron23 | cb400f: thanks for the hint.. |
| 20:12.37 | ssuominen | qcad is closed source now, the qt4 version demo version works like 5 mins and then exists and you need to pay big $$$ |
| 20:12.53 | ssuominen | i'd find alternative rather sooner than later |
| 20:13.17 | lxsameer | hi , how can i configure my gtk in kde , i have installed gtk-qt-engine but i have nothing in settings->appreance |
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| 20:14.54 | omicron23 | ssuominen: right.. I checked the site and found a qt3 version only... |
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| 20:15.37 | ssuominen | check out free-cad, http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ |
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| 20:16.24 | Lantizia | Hey... are there any other Qt based desktop environments / shells? Other than KDE? |
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| 20:16.51 | sreich | not afik, unfortunately |
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| 20:17.31 | ssuominen | Lantizia: http://www.antico.netsons.org/ (but the developer switch to macosx recently) |
| 20:18.18 | Lantizia | ssuominen, qxde |
| 20:18.27 | Lantizia | or rather xqde... just found another |
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| 20:19.00 | sreich | ssuominen: oh. duh. they just wrote everything to look like kde yet without the kde dep's |
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| 20:19.13 | ssuominen | sreich: heh |
| 20:19.17 | ssuominen | never tried it myself ;) |
| 20:19.28 | sreich | wonders why anyone would waste their time doing that.. |
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| 20:19.40 | Lantizia | see I don't mind the Qt library, I'd like to use a DE based on it... I just hate the look and feel of KDE apps tho :) |
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| 20:19.55 | pinotree | you hate something you can change? |
| 20:19.59 | sreich | Lantizia: which is why you can change the themes... :/ |
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| 20:20.08 | Lantizia | no it's beyond themes |
| 20:20.09 | omicron23 | Lantizia: http://www.alinden.mynetcologne.de/qlwm/ =) |
| 20:20.20 | sreich | Lantizia: so what is it? |
| 20:20.40 | Lantizia | it's like the silly dragons in the about box, everything being named K something like a long yet very boring joke, and tonnes of sidebars that have vertically aligned text as tabs |
| 20:20.54 | Lantizia | and how dolphin is single click (not sure if this is configurable - probably is) |
| 20:20.59 | sreich | it is configurable |
| 20:21.05 | Lantizia | a general sense of ick basically :) |
| 20:21.10 | sreich | the about dialog <--- seriously? Do you traffic that frequently? |
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| 20:21.22 | sreich | everytime you have work to do, you look at the about box? |
| 20:21.23 | lxsameer | i get mixed up with my sound in kde , amarok sound muted at the middle of playing also vlc dragon player and ... is it a known bud |
| 20:21.27 | lxsameer | *bug |
| 20:21.28 | pinotree | hagen: (moo) |
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| 20:21.55 | sreich | Lantizia: tons of sidebars with vertically aligned text as tabs? Honestly, where did you find this? |
| 20:22.08 | sreich | I don't use *any* applications that have vertically aligned tabs |
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| 20:22.18 | Lantizia | sreich, I'm not a fan of DE's much anyway... I much more prefer XFCE/LXDE types where apps are kept to a minimum |
| 20:22.20 | sreich | and the ones that have sidebars, e.g. Dolphin, can be taken out |
| 20:22.25 | sreich | Lantizia: oh |
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| 20:22.28 | Lantizia | so if I was to use KDE i'd have to love the apps - and I don't |
| 20:22.35 | Lantizia | I've heard great things about Amarok |
| 20:22.42 | Torch | Lantizia: well, dont't let the door hit you on your way out ;-) |
| 20:22.47 | Lantizia | but then found out it doesn't have proper ogg support for comments :S |
| 20:22.56 | Lantizia | lol, I know - to each their own |
| 20:23.10 | Lantizia | but Qt... brill love it - and the new nokia IDE they released... got an N900 you see |
| 20:23.26 | Lantizia | just wish there was a Qt style LXDE project :P |
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| 20:24.26 | ssuominen | s/lxde/xfce/ ;) |
| 20:24.50 | ssuominen | I have spite against lxde for bundling internal copies of xfce's libraries |
| 20:27.03 | Lantizia | ssuominen, xfce is a failure in my opinion |
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| 20:27.37 | pinotree | wonders what this has to do with #kde |
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| 20:27.47 | ssuominen | nothing. sorry. |
| 20:27.55 | Lantizia | development is too slow for critical features like menu editing, it's lost it's focus about why it was good (i.e. on speed - and non dependency) |
| 20:28.16 | aseigo | Lantizia: the two things (apps and DE) have nothing to do with each other outside of sharing libs |
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| 20:28.35 | Lantizia | aseigo, exactly... xfce purposely created a common xfce lib library |
| 20:28.39 | Lantizia | like gnome |
| 20:28.40 | aseigo | Lantizia: if you want an app-less KDE workspace, you can. |
| 20:28.48 | Lantizia | so it's kinda creating the same problem |
| 20:28.51 | aseigo | Lantizia: if you want to use KDE apps in XFCE or whatever you can |
| 20:29.05 | Lantizia | yeah i know that - your missing the conversation point entirely |
| 20:29.07 | Lantizia | nevermind |
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| 20:29.19 | aseigo | Lantizia: yeah, that tends to happen because it rapidly becomes obvious that the basic libraries aren't "enough" on their own |
| 20:29.44 | Lantizia | lxde aims to have _everything_ separate |
| 20:30.15 | Lantizia | i.e. shell + collection of separate programs - not as a desktop environment with shared libraries... and no silly G... naming or K... naming |
| 20:30.28 | Lantizia | very windows-esk in a way :S |
| 20:30.39 | aseigo | the naming isn't silly, it ensures that app names don't conflict on disk |
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| 20:30.50 | aseigo | and many KDE apps don't have k-names, as if that was something to even care about anyways |
| 20:30.57 | Frantic | guys, is there a way to turn off the funky new kde4.4 text shadow? |
| 20:31.04 | Frantic | I can't seem to find a setting for it |
| 20:31.09 | aseigo | "oh no, my screwdriver is made by Craftsman. i hate 'C' names.". really? |
| 20:31.11 | Lantizia | oh I know they've started to move away from the K.... stuff... e.g. Amarok and Dolphin |
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| 20:31.22 | einar77 | Lantizia: the name argument is kind of stale nowadays... |
| 20:31.37 | pinotree | einar77: always a good point for trolling against kde ;) |
| 20:31.39 | aseigo | Frantic: unfortunately, no. that's something for 4.5. |
| 20:31.55 | Half-Left | Frantic: What shadow?, in where? |
| 20:31.59 | aseigo | Frantic: we're not particularly happy with the current inflexibility, but it at least works on all backgrounds which was the most important thing |
| 20:32.05 | Lantizia | einar77, by point wasn't really the naming but how it used to link into what DE it was a part of and thus what libraries are implied as needed |
| 20:32.09 | aseigo | Half-Left: around text in e.g. launchers |
| 20:32.30 | einar77 | Lantizia: a development platform helps *greatly* to write stuff for a specific environment |
| 20:32.34 | Frantic | aseigo: do you know if the effect is applied to other stuff also? |
| 20:32.37 | aseigo | Lantizia: yes, sharing libraries makes a lot of sense. less duplicated code and lower memory usage |
| 20:32.46 | Frantic | for example after I upgraded to KDE 4.4 I can no longer play Quake Live :( |
| 20:32.54 | Frantic | the fonts are all messed up when I start it from withing KDE |
| 20:32.54 | einar77 | I mean, even a second rate coder like me managed to get a decent app out thanks to the KDE Dev Platform... |
| 20:32.55 | aseigo | Frantic: no, it isn't. |
| 20:33.14 | Lantizia | aseigo, and greater "out of box" tie ins to use apps from the same range as the DE is to save on space |
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| 20:34.05 | aseigo | yes, it's a sensible strategy; what isn't so sensible is when using those libraries make the apps work poorly outside of that environment |
| 20:34.09 | Frantic | and, does anyone know if there's a intro for new wannabe kde developers? :) |
| 20:34.29 | aseigo | is really happy with how Qt apps are able to re-org dialog button orders, use the 'native' theming system for a platform, etc. |
| 20:34.38 | Frantic | I mean I'd like to fix a few krunner bugs that I've seen for a while now, but I have no idea where to start tbh :) |
| 20:34.43 | WaltzingAlong | Frantic: like techbase docs? |
| 20:34.43 | aseigo | Frantic: on techbase.kde.org there is a getting started section, as well as a C++ app intro in the tutorials |
| 20:35.03 | Frantic | thx :) |
| 20:35.05 | aseigo | Frantic: we'd be happy to point you in the right direction for krunner coding in #plasma as well |
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| 20:35.24 | einar77 | that reminds me I should port some of the tutorials towards non C++... |
| 20:35.24 | Frantic | aseigo: does krunner belong to plasma? |
| 20:35.45 | aseigo | Frantic: krunner uses libplasma (kdelibs/plasma/), is in kdebase/workspace/krunner and the runners are in kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/runners and kdeplasma-addons/runners |
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| 20:35.59 | jbrouault | why does ctrl+alt+backspace from kdm doesn't restarts X ? I often found myself on the first virtual console after pressing the keys |
| 20:36.03 | aseigo | Frantic: it's a separate app, but the plasma team works on it and maintains it |
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| 20:36.21 | aseigo | jbrouault: that would be a distro issue |
| 20:36.54 | jbrouault | aseigo: ok that's one possibility I was thinking of :) |
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| 20:38.24 | sreich | jbrouault: a few things.. |
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| 20:39.07 | sreich | jbrouault: it could be the fact that X has set "DontZap" prop. off by default and your distro left it...but it also needs to be enabled in KDE's keyboard input stuff |
| 20:39.17 | sreich | under kde keyboard layout, or sth |
| 20:39.50 | sreich | I'm not sure if that kde prop. requires the X one to be on, or if it handles it by itself.. |
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| 20:42.03 | PasNox | hi |
| 20:42.21 | PasNox | any idea why konversation is eating so much cpu using kde 4.4 ? |
| 20:42.35 | PasNox | it eat 25% of my core 2 quad cpu :/ |
| 20:42.42 | pinotree | PasNox: #konversation (but should most probably be due to qt 4.6) |
| 20:43.29 | PasNox | pinotree: ok, thanks |
| 20:44.08 | jbrouault | sreich: well I added a line in a .fdi to enable ctrl+alt+backspace which is disabled by default |
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| 20:44.20 | sreich | jbrouault: what file is that? |
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| 20:44.31 | Sho_ | PasNox: It's a known bug in Qt 4.6. Konversation 1.2.2 has a workaround for it, that'll be released in a few hours. |
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| 20:44.50 | jbrouault | sreich: a file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy |
| 20:45.00 | sreich | ah |
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| 20:45.12 | sreich | jbrouault: right, X devs discourage using xorg.conf, for that especially, no? |
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| 20:48.10 | jbrouault | sreich: dunno, but I let X use hal, so I don't have any InputDevice section in my xorg.conf |
| 20:48.18 | PasNox | btw it seem nepomuk is not working i get a message in notification but no way to know what to install ? |
| 20:49.27 | einar77 | PasNox: which KDE SC version? |
| 20:49.32 | PasNox | kde 4.4 |
| 20:49.35 | PasNox | ( kubuntu ) |
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| 20:49.56 | einar77 | PasNox: virtuoso is installed? did you use RCs prior to final? |
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| 20:50.30 | PasNox | einar77: no never rc |
| 20:50.39 | PasNox | i search virtuoso in kpackage kit |
| 20:50.43 | PasNox | but there is many results |
| 20:50.47 | PasNox | dunno which one to install |
| 20:50.56 | einar77 | PasNox: one sec |
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| 20:51.19 | Half-Left | soprano-virtuoso most likely |
| 20:51.55 | einar77 | PasNox: virtuoso-nepomuk |
| 20:51.59 | kollapse | Is kollision made to be this addictive ? |
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| 20:52.06 | PasNox | thanks |
| 20:52.10 | pinotree | kollapse: yep |
| 20:52.30 | einar77 | PasNox: also virtuoso-opensource |
| 20:52.31 | Half-Left | damn names |
| 20:53.14 | kollapse | pinotree, I rediscovered it while configuring 4.4. 30 minutes wasted :P |
| 20:53.34 | PasNox | einar77: virtuoso ose seem to be a dependency and auto installed |
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| 20:53.42 | einar77 | PasNox: ok |
| 20:53.47 | pinotree | kollapse: be careful, it doesn't have the option to warn you after 5 minutes of gaming, so be careful at the clock while playing ;) |
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| 20:54.31 | kollapse | pinotree, What clock? I ended up doing "kill plasma-desktop" to create that black background in order to better concentrate on it :D |
| 20:54.50 | pinotree | ;) |
| 20:54.50 | Torch | kollapse: hehe |
| 20:55.39 | Half-Left | wow, people actually play our games? :p |
| 20:55.53 | pinotree | kicks Half-Left |
| 20:56.02 | PovAddict | is playing a proprietary game under wine :x |
| 20:56.05 | kollapse | Half-Left, They're mighty interesting actually. They help you concentrate better. |
| 20:56.26 | kollapse | Half-Left, Blinken and Bovo are nice too. |
| 20:56.42 | PasNox | einar77: it seem not ;) there is 2 version which one i need ? |
| 20:56.50 | Half-Left | kollapse: I don't play them much, I just design the graphics for most :p |
| 20:56.50 | einar77 | 6.1 |
| 20:56.54 | einar77 | PasNox: ^ |
| 20:57.07 | kollapse | Half-Left, *Ahem* Did you also work on kolf ? |
| 20:57.12 | Half-Left | nope |
| 20:57.36 | kollapse | Half-Left, Ah, well, suffice it to say it still looks horrible. :P |
| 20:57.57 | Half-Left | Yeah, it's being redone |
| 20:58.20 | PasNox | einar77: thanks |
| 20:58.23 | Half-Left | That's why it didn't get new graphics |
| 20:58.51 | PovAddict | is there any nice platformer game? |
| 20:58.55 | Frantic | what do you guys use for development? kdevelop / vim / emacs / qtcreator / eclipse ? |
| 20:59.07 | kollapse | Half-Left, Do you have any idea if Quanta is being ported from kde3? Or has it been discontinued because of kdevelop? |
| 20:59.11 | Torch | Frantic: kdevelop and a little vim |
| 20:59.16 | PovAddict | ditto |
| 21:00.01 | PovAddict | kollapse: I think quanta is already ported to kde4 |
| 21:00.11 | PovAddict | kollapse: but with features removed, and quite unmaintained |
| 21:00.29 | kollapse | PovAddict, Well it means it's not in portage. |
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| 21:00.41 | einar77 | kollapse: currently the "language" part lives in the form of the PHP plugin for kdevelop |
| 21:00.49 | PovAddict | well I think there was no release for kde4 |
| 21:01.12 | PovAddict | ask #kdevelop, though |
| 21:01.20 | kollapse | einar77, I thought I noticed something familiar with kdevelop. Well if it's the same thing, I guess I'll forget about Quanta. |
| 21:01.23 | pinotree | quanta for kde4 is a collection of extra web development oriented plugins for kdevelop4 |
| 21:01.48 | einar77 | what pinotree said |
| 21:01.54 | einar77 | much better than my own explanation :P |
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| 21:02.35 | Half-Left | kollapse: Looks like you don't need an answer from me then :p |
| 21:02.50 | kollapse | :P |
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| 21:30.39 | PasNox | hm |
| 21:30.50 | PasNox | kde 4.4 is so slow compare to kde 4.3 :'( |
| 21:30.58 | PasNox | any idea how i can workaround that ??? |
| 21:31.05 | PasNox | animation effect are very slow |
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| 21:34.20 | gtsteel | is there a way to get kmix 4.4 to show alsamixer channels like 4.3 did |
| 21:34.26 | sreich | PasNox: syssettings->appearance, then configure oxygen and disable animations |
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| 21:34.28 | gtsteel | right now it shows phonon |
| 21:36.05 | PasNox | sreich: it was working fine before, why i will need to deactivate them |
| 21:36.40 | PasNox | anyway it's not only effect that are slow |
| 21:36.45 | sreich | oh |
| 21:36.51 | PasNox | kde desktop entirely is very slow |
| 21:37.33 | cb400f | did you check if any processes are running wild? |
| 21:37.34 | PasNox | i jsut trying something now: resize kmix mixer dialog |
| 21:37.38 | PasNox | slow like a pig |
| 21:37.45 | cb400f | .. like e.g. nepomuk or virtuoso |
| 21:37.47 | PasNox | yes i checked all is good |
| 21:38.02 | PasNox | i had konversation that eat 25% but i applied a workaround |
| 21:38.03 | pinotree | suggesting rosting the pig for lunch |
| 21:38.07 | pinotree | *roasting |
| 21:38.08 | PasNox | so now no process are eating cpu |
| 21:38.16 | PasNox | hehe |
| 21:39.06 | PasNox | cb400f: no this is not virtuoso nor nepomuk |
| 21:39.26 | PasNox | nothing special eat cpu, but all desktop seem not smooth and slow :/ |
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| 21:39.51 | PasNox | resizing small dialog like kpackagekit or kmix mixer one is very saccading |
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| 21:41.34 | Frantic | guys, where do I get this cmake function: kde4_add_ui_files |
| 21:41.53 | pinotree | what are you trying to compile? |
| 21:42.06 | Frantic | krunner |
| 21:42.32 | pinotree | you must run cmake for the top-level of the module |
| 21:42.55 | Frantic | you mean kdebase? |
| 21:43.09 | pinotree | or just kdebase/workspace |
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| 21:44.23 | Frantic | ooh, thanks :) |
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| 21:45.44 | Frantic | one more thing, when I try to build it tries to use my system's kdelibs instead of ../../kdelibs, any idea why? |
| 21:46.24 | pinotree | what do you have in ../../kdelibs? sources or installation prefix? |
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| 21:47.34 | adfdf-lap | hello, is there any way to change what program dolphin uses to open a file by default? |
| 21:47.39 | romahagen | hi |
| 21:47.47 | romahagen | anybody sees my msgs? |
| 21:47.53 | Frantic | pinotree: sources |
| 21:47.55 | pinotree | yes, hagen |
| 21:48.00 | romahagen | pinotree: thank you |
| 21:48.11 | pinotree | adfdf-lap: system settings â advanced â file associations |
| 21:48.23 | pinotree | Frantic: that's the reason |
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| 21:48.25 | adfdf-lap | what program is system settings? |
| 21:48.42 | Frantic | pinotree: I'm not sure what "installation prefix" is :) |
| 21:48.43 | pinotree | the kde4 configuration application |
| 21:49.04 | romahagen | hi guys! i've recently updated to kde 4.4 but rendering performance had dropped drastically... what can i do to get it back? before i had 4.3 |
| 21:49.28 | romahagen | what is your exp with 4.4? |
| 21:49.31 | adfdf-lap | is that just like kdeconfig or something? |
| 21:49.47 | adfdf-lap | hm, i guess not |
| 21:49.59 | pinotree | just run 'systemsettings' |
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| 21:52.23 | cb400f | romahagen: PasNox was just complaining about something similar |
| 21:52.52 | romahagen | PasNox: are you here? |
| 21:52.56 | cb400f | didn't notice any non-nepomuk/non-akonadi problems at all with 4.4 using opensuse packages and intel gfx |
| 21:53.42 | adfdf-lap | hmmm... i tried kde-systemsettings and even systemsettings |
| 21:53.48 | adfdf-lap | there doesn't seem to be any package called that |
| 21:53.56 | pinotree | did you install it? |
| 21:54.05 | adfdf-lap | no, i looked for it though |
| 21:54.10 | pinotree | (note that if you are in kde3, the program is kcontrol) |
| 21:54.20 | adfdf-lap | ok, let me try kcontrol via packages |
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| 21:54.36 | pinotree | what is your kde version? |
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| 21:54.40 | adfdf-lap | i don't have kde |
| 21:54.40 | cb400f | did you check if systemsettings is already there? |
| 21:54.51 | adfdf-lap | hmm |
| 21:54.53 | cb400f | oh.. but it would be in some kdebase package most likely |
| 21:55.02 | adfdf-lap | yeah that's what i figured |
| 21:55.10 | adfdf-lap | i'd have to get kde-base in order to config dolphin |
| 21:55.14 | adfdf-lap | ARRRG!!! |
| 21:55.15 | romahagen | cb400f:on my laptopi dont have any problems also..but desktop is not the case |
| 21:55.26 | cb400f | file associations is not dolphin |
| 21:55.29 | pinotree | dolphin is in kdebase, anyway... |
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| 21:55.47 | adfdf-lap | I was able to build dolphin from ports |
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| 21:55.51 | romahagen | konversation eats 100% cup (((((((( |
| 21:55.52 | cb400f | it's global kde settings |
| 21:56.18 | cb400f | romahagen: that might explain the slowness :-) |
| 21:56.45 | adfdf-lap | what version of Qt does dolphin use? |
| 21:56.57 | cb400f | depends on your kde version |
| 21:56.57 | adfdf-lap | because i want to change the background colour and styling and what not |
| 21:57.15 | cb400f | but you should use systemsettings for that too |
| 21:57.16 | romahagen | cb400f: no, it's just another problem! and i have a lot of them. i wonder why devs do not concentrate on stability and performance |
| 21:57.28 | cb400f | not sure if you even _can_ use qtconfig |
| 21:57.29 | adfdf-lap | i got qt4-qtconfig, and it says 3.3.8 |
| 21:57.31 | adfdf-lap | actually |
| 21:57.36 | adfdf-lap | which is awful weird |
| 21:57.45 | cb400f | in dolphin.. click on help -> about kde |
| 21:57.46 | sreich | romahagen: you're wrong. we do. |
| 21:57.51 | adfdf-lap | i have dolphin 0.8.2 (which is kde 3.5) |
| 21:58.00 | adfdf-lap | 3.5.10 |
| 21:58.09 | pinotree | then you need kcontrol indeed |
| 21:58.14 | cb400f | well.. then you need kcontrol and not systemsettings |
| 21:58.26 | cb400f | ports you say? .. freebsd still keeps that old crap? |
| 21:58.36 | romahagen | sreich: then something went wrong on my side..? |
| 21:58.49 | adfdf-lap | hey, it's not old if you portsnap update it once in a while! |
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| 21:59.02 | cb400f | kde3.5.x is oooold |
| 21:59.05 | adfdf-lap | OK, it doesn't seem like i'm going to get kcontrol without installing kde-base |
| 21:59.11 | adfdf-lap | cries |
| 21:59.34 | adfdf-lap | how many gigabytes is this? |
| 21:59.35 | sreich | romahagen: not necessarily. You seem to not understand that we can't possibly catch every bug, especially whilst innovating..moreso with the number of devs we have, and the time that they have. |
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| 21:59.54 | adfdf-lap | roughly |
| 22:00.04 | cb400f | adfdf-lap: depends how it packaged.. maybe 50-100 or so I guess |
| 22:00.11 | adfdf-lap | gigabytes? |
| 22:00.13 | Torch | adfdf-lap: not GB though |
| 22:00.15 | cb400f | megs |
| 22:00.16 | adfdf-lap | oh |
| 22:00.24 | adfdf-lap | that's not as bad as i was expecting |
| 22:00.30 | adfdf-lap | because kde's a real heavyweight |
| 22:00.44 | cb400f | but you must have most of the base and libs anyway to be able to run dolphin in the first place |
| 22:00.54 | adfdf-lap | i have fluxbox + idesk + dolphin as an alternative for a lightweight DE |
| 22:00.55 | cb400f | compared to fvwm1? :-) |
| 22:00.55 | pinotree | and your distro not splitting when needed makes you even more heavy to install stuff |
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| 22:01.22 | Sho_ | romahagen: It's a known bug in Qt 4.6. Konversation 1.2.2 will have a workaround for it, to be released in a few hours. |
| 22:01.28 | adfdf-lap | I dunno, the next computer i get i think i'm going to install Fusion |
| 22:01.36 | adfdf-lap | and dolphin for the file manager |
| 22:01.39 | adfdf-lap | but not full blown kde |
| 22:01.55 | romahagen | sreich: i'm not just an ordinary user. i also try to submit some patches. wouldn't be nice to concentrate on bugfixing for one release |
| 22:02.04 | adfdf-lap | 'cause i mean, who actually needs it? :) |
| 22:02.23 | romahagen | Sho_: does it have someting to do with font rendering? |
| 22:02.29 | Torch | romahagen: good luck convincing all the devs to do just that. |
| 22:02.33 | sreich | adfdf-lap: actual users... |
| 22:02.47 | Sho_ | romahagen: With text layout actually, it causes the widget size to alternate between two sizes at infinitum |
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| 22:03.03 | adfdf-lap | eh. |
| 22:03.09 | Sho_ | romahagen: Switching to a fixed-width font may help for now until you get your hands on 1.2.2 |
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| 22:03.29 | adfdf-lap | sriech, i take it that i'm a luser? |
| 22:03.48 | sreich | adfdf-lap: ... |
| 22:04.26 | romahagen | Sho_: hm.. do you happen to know about the other problem with misc fixed font renderig in konsole. it seems to be qt issue also. |
| 22:04.33 | adfdf-lap | you can laugh |
| 22:04.43 | cb400f | adfdf-lap: far be it from to not recommend kde.. but maybe you should look at lxde |
| 22:04.53 | Sho_ | romahagen: I've heard there's a problem, but sadly I know no details, sorry |
| 22:04.59 | cb400f | if you want a simple gui file manager and such.. but keep it ultra light |
| 22:05.35 | sreich | romahagen: sure, it's a great idea. except for the fact that we will be *behind the times in innovation (and if you think that is irrelevant, you should rethink. we want to push boundaries, not coast along coming to a halt eventually). * devs cannot exactly be forced to do that..it would be against freedom in many ways.. |
| 22:06.47 | romahagen | Sho_: last question.. how can i track this workaround is already out and apply it? |
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| 22:07.52 | Sho_ | romahagen: The workaround has been in Konversation's git repository since February 2nd. Konversation 1.2.2, which has that workaround among various new features and other fixes, will be released in a few hours. |
| 22:09.29 | adfdf-lap | ah, lxde looks pretty neat |
| 22:09.31 | adfdf-lap | thanks |
| 22:09.36 | adfdf-lap | i guess i'll try that out |
| 22:10.11 | romahagen | sreich: |
| 22:10.13 | romahagen | innovation is nice, but everytime i'm updating kde i'm afraid to mess my system up. |
| 22:10.14 | romahagen | and in 50% it is the case.. i'd be glad to have some cautions or smth like that.. but if i'm |
| 22:10.16 | romahagen | installing release version it should have appropriate quality.. maybe i'm wrong, i do not know.. |
| 22:10.36 | sreich | right |
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| 22:17.38 | einar77 | Sho_: is there a reason why yakuake doesn't open tabs in the same dir as the previous tab, or should that reported as a bug? (or is it a bug in konsolepart?) |
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| 22:20.07 | Sho_ | einar77: It's a bug in the Konsole KPart, the profile option doesn't work in the KPart case |
| 22:20.12 | Sho_ | einar77: It's already in bugs.kde.org |
| 22:20.28 | einar77 | Sho_: thanks, good to know (not life-changing so I can live with it) |
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| 22:26.24 | yokto | hi could any of you get the "newest" html5 version of youtube running in konqueror (either with webkit or with khtml)? |
| 22:30.30 | troy | yokto: as far as I understand it, the video tag is in kde 4.4 (unless I missed something) - but the youtube isn't supporting theora (yet), so not sure if it works anyway |
| 22:30.33 | troy | let me try it :) |
| 22:30.54 | yokto | youtube.com/html5 |
| 22:31.13 | yokto | maybe its that they check user agent string but im not sure |
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| 22:32.49 | troy | it automatically chose the flash10 version when I tried it |
| 22:34.56 | troy | ah - tried one that is html 5 - it appears to try to load, and draws the controls and such, but no video - I think it's a codec thing |
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| 22:35.55 | yokto | well some parts are not yet supported with html5 i think for instance (hd). try this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9xCCjL1RZE&feature=rec-LGOUT-farside_rn-5r-7-HM) |
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| 22:37.04 | yokto | i never got flash running in konqueror so i see immediately which should work with html5 |
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| 22:43.26 | yokto | no i don't think its a codec thing i can download it with youtube-dl and put it in a video tag and i can watch it without problem |
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| 22:49.58 | troy | yokto: does that work in konq when do do a test like that? |
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| 22:51.45 | whoever | what package does kttsd belong too |
| 22:51.54 | yokto | yes |
| 22:52.31 | yokto | webkit as well as kthml |
| 22:52.43 | jbrouault | can't kmail use address book from kaddressbook ? When selecting a recipient there are only addresses from the recent address list, if I select "default address book" there are no addresses... |
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| 22:55.40 | troy | jbrouault: it should use kaddressbook by default, unless something is b0rked |
| 22:55.59 | yokto | whoever: kde-accessibility? |
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| 22:57.01 | jbrouault | troy: well doesn't seem to use it, I have address books and contacts if I launch kaddressbook but kmail doesn't show any of those contacts |
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| 22:58.29 | troy | whoever: according to http://kde.org/applications/utilities/ktts/development, yokto is right :) |
| 22:59.11 | whoever | yokto: i tried that but it should be part of knouth bud don't see it there |
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| 23:00.35 | naknomik | What's the best distro to try out the new KDE 4.4 release? |
| 23:01.14 | whoever | naknomik: how new are you to linux |
| 23:01.34 | naknomik | whoever: I can hack kernel |
| 23:01.58 | whoever | naknomik: i would say ubuntu or arch |
| 23:02.20 | whoever | naknomik: all depends how much work you wanna do |
| 23:02.44 | einar77 | naknomik: openSUSE has a pretty slick KDE, but it can be a "fat" distro |
| 23:02.58 | whoever | troy: that is what i want but cant seem to find it |
| 23:03.39 | troy | whoever: distro packages? |
| 23:04.01 | whoever | troy: yes , arch |
| 23:04.03 | naknomik | is KDE 4.4 already available in Ubuntu 9.10? |
| 23:04.19 | einar77 | naknomik: yes, through a third-party repository |
| 23:04.30 | whoever | naknomik: yes |
| 23:04.39 | naknomik | einar77: where do I find that repository? |
| 23:04.47 | einar77 | naknomik: www.kubuntu.org has the details |
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| 23:05.07 | naknomik | OK will check it out. |
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| 23:06.05 | troy | whoever: well, maybe arch just forgot to package it - I'd suggest, if you're comfortable with it, building the kdeaccessibility package from source then |
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| 23:07.14 | whoever | troy ya, i think it is there ,just don't remember where .. |
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| 23:12.49 | PovAddict | yokto: if you download it with youtube-dl, you get a FLV file usually |
| 23:13.06 | yokto | yes i do |
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| 23:13.40 | PovAddict | well konqueror *definitely* doesn't have native support for FLV |
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| 23:14.16 | PovAddict | oh I misread your statement |
| 23:14.20 | yokto | no but konqueror uses khtml or webkit which uses phonon which uses gstreamer |
| 23:14.35 | thiago_home | still no support for FLV |
| 23:14.35 | PovAddict | I don't think what you download with youtube-dl is the same thing that youtube gives in its <video> tag |
| 23:15.28 | yokto | thiago_home: well but it does play it |
| 23:16.09 | yokto | PovAddict: every one allways sais they use h264 that works as well (as well as the old youtube demo used to work) |
| 23:16.34 | PovAddict | btw, youtube recently changed their video page (for flash) |
| 23:16.39 | thiago_home | <video> doesn't use Flash Video |
| 23:16.40 | PovAddict | and now I can't watch videos in konqueror anymore |
| 23:16.44 | PovAddict | tells me to upgrade flash |
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| 23:17.06 | PovAddict | I have latest flash, and it works in firefox, so it has to be a konqueror problem... |
| 23:17.41 | pinotree | try going in the konqeror settings, plugins section, and push the "rescan plugins" button |
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| 23:17.53 | pinotree | then about:plugins and verify the correct flash is used |
| 23:17.55 | yokto | i don't know about flash i never used it in konqueror |
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| 23:18.15 | PovAddict | the "correct flash"? |
| 23:18.54 | thiago_home | PovAddict: works here |
| 23:18.56 | PovAddict | I only have one version |
| 23:19.37 | PovAddict | thiago_home: here http://youtube.com/watch5?enable=1&next_url=/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU |
| 23:21.25 | thiago_home | PovAddict: now it stopped working because I clicked that link of yours |
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| 23:22.04 | thiago_home | it works in the "Old Youtube" |
| 23:22.20 | yokto | thats an entire movie |
| 23:22.23 | PovAddict | yeah, that link was to opt-in to the new video page |
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| 23:22.44 | PovAddict | in my case, youtube said "You've been selected to try out the new video page" (I didn't opt in, they pushed it on me) and now doesn't let me opt out |
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| 23:23.02 | thiago_home | top right, click Return to Old Youtube |
| 23:23.09 | PovAddict | there's no such link |
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| 23:23.32 | yokto | yes there is at the top |
| 23:23.33 | PovAddict | I used the opt-out link in youtube's blog post about the new video page, and that didn't work either |
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| 23:24.56 | PovAddict | thiago_home, yokto: no there is not -> http://imagebin.ca/view/8KmMch9O.html |
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| 23:25.38 | thiago_home | it's there in the English version |
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| 23:27.35 | PovAddict | switched to english, still no link |
| 23:27.44 | PovAddict | in firefox, where I manually opted in to test it, there is an opt out link |
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| 23:28.18 | PovAddict | I just wiped my youtube cookies and got back to the old one |
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| 23:29.43 | sreich | mmm cookies.. |
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| 23:30.55 | lmurray | daedaluz: KWin + fglrx window resize problem was never KDE's problem to begin with so unless the fglrx guys have fixed it there is no change. |
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| 23:52.43 | ppurka | hi .. wanted to ask a question. I am using "sloppy focus" for my windows. Is there any way to make the mouse pointer shift to the currently focused window after pressing alt+Tab? |
| 23:53.17 | ppurka | using kde-4.4 here |
| 23:53.26 | Alumin | "mouse follows focus" heh |
| 23:54.11 | Alumin | have to say, I haven't heard of a feature like that |
| 23:54.12 | ppurka | yeah I have "focus follows mouse" active. but what I want is also "mouse follows focus" :) |
| 23:54.16 | PovAddict | that sounds annoying |
| 23:54.34 | PovAddict | seriously, if the cursor ever moves by itself, it makes things harder, not easier... |
| 23:54.38 | ppurka | not for sloppy focus. I can't scroll with my touchpad after I alt+tab to another window |
| 23:55.04 | PovAddict | your brain knows roughly where the mouse cursor is based on hand movement |
| 23:55.15 | Alumin | uh huhuhuh |
| 23:55.36 | PovAddict | though that's more relevant with a mouse than a touchpad |
| 23:56.19 | sreich | PovAddict: unless you have a super-fast sensitivity :) |
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