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01:01.47paul424hi dudes how one can inspect the fonts on his system, under hde ...
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01:01.55paul424the systemsettings-fonts does not work
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01:35.16areafixHello! KDE 4.4 is out?
01:35.32pinotreenot yet
01:35.37areafixfrom overlay i got about 300 new ebuilds, like kde-base/*-4.4.0, but i can't find any mirrors, which would have these files
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02:12.08thrice`anyone know how to kill kopete notifications?  they are driving me nuts, and I've unselected everything that would apply
02:13.01oneforallthat kicker(panel) one I have that turned off :)
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02:36.21thrice`must be a bug, as I've disabled EVERYTHING in there, and yet the popups remain
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02:37.06whoeverhow can i add scrll lock led to my lwin key toggle ? i didn't see any thing under keymaps=
02:39.45sreichthrice`: yeah, deifnitely a bug
02:40.00sreichhave you tried the system settings also? not just the app's dialog
02:40.22thrice`system settings makes you select the kopete app, though
02:41.48comawhiteanyone know if kmess supports webcamming?
02:43.46whoevernehvermind i  figured led out
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02:53.27thrice`oneforall, I probably need pam to turn off these notifications ;)
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03:01.04whoeverhow  caehn i add an  onscreen keeyboard to kdm?
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03:04.37whoeveris loginhelper still in kde4?
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03:08.19whoeverhi all need help to add a keymap changer to kdm
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03:12.10whoeverhi all i need to change keymaps at kdm and am not finding anything , can someone help ie dvorak-r and us
03:15.45whoeverhellow
03:15.52whoeverhello
03:17.11oneforallthrice` lol
03:17.16thrice`stop whoever
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03:21.37whoeverthrice`: thaught ya'll died or .. worse yet got enslaved by m$ :-)
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04:30.41whoeverhi i am trying to add aceuuability to kdm can someone assist-?
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04:34.48cryptic0I can't get kwallet pop-up for any dolphin smb authentications.  what gives?
04:36.15troycryptic0: did you check bugs.kde.org? something like that, I would suspect would be a well-known outstanding issue; unless it's a distro issue
04:37.27cryptic0troy: not yet.  I didn't think this was a bug.  It's pretty big feature to have a big at this stage.  but I guess I will have to check
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04:38.28troycryptic0: well, that depends on the version your running, and who packaged it :)
04:39.14cryptic0version 1.4 kdewallet, packaged for slackware 13.0
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04:42.44troycryptic0: hrm - well, I'm happily running slackware-current here, unfortunately, I don't have an smb share to test the functionality wiht
04:42.47troywith*
04:42.56troyneeds to stop trying to do tech support after he's been drinking
04:44.15troycryptic0: I'd suggest searching for wallet and smb or samba on bugs.kde.org - maybe 4.2.4 (the version on slack 13) is just broken
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04:50.27Killsudotroy: its the best tech support
04:50.32Killsudoanyone use Blogilo
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08:10.14cousin_mariohello
08:10.31cousin_mariohow do I disable the startup/shutdown audio?
08:13.10JucatoSystem Settings -> Notifications -> Event Source: KDE System Notifications
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08:21.45cousin_marioJucato: thanks
08:21.46cousin_mariobye!
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09:20.19andybikerI have a flashplayer script (v 10)which has the libflashplayer.so file. Where is the best place to put that locally as a plug-in? putting it in /usr/lib/kde3 dosn't help.(btw, using kde-3.5.10 here)
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09:56.11foobarzdoes KDE 4.3.5 leak memory?
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09:57.46Mamarokstrange question...
09:57.52rethusi have create a new event in korganizer (kontact), with one other person... if i click on OK, i got the message: can't be saved
09:58.23roerichfoobarz: only a specific program can leak memory
09:58.32rethusso i can't save any entrys in korganizer
09:58.54Mamarokrethus: are your calendars shared?
09:59.27rethusin korganizer-settings i have shoosed Groupware-communication
10:00.52rethusMamarok: u mean this?
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10:01.47Mamarokrethus: well, do you run/have access to a Groupware server?
10:02.24||arifaXI have to send a User Activity Event when computer is locked after inserting a usb-stick. udev script is ready but org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver SimulateUserActivity seems to have a known bug. any other ideas to simulate it eg. writing to keyboard device somehow?
10:02.53rethusno, not at this time
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10:03.32Mamarokrethus: that might be the reason
10:03.58rethusMamarok: i think its not the problem, cause this exactly what i need.. the info of this topic says
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10:04.29foobarzwell, I just asked about memory leakage, since it is problem that older KDE's had and when I upgrade I hope to KDE 4 is mature enough to not leak any
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10:04.47rethusactivate this, if u wan't to infomate people which are assigned to a meeting (i didn't know the exact english pronounce (here is german)
10:04.58rethusand i will do so.
10:05.05Mamarokfoobarz: again, KDE is not *one* application, it si a Software Compilation, os you need to identify the application that leaks
10:05.25rethusif i create a meeting and mister wong is assigned, he should keep a mail about this meeting
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10:06.53foobarzKDE 3.5.10 has been good with memory not leaking, so I am pleased with that... but I want to upgrade eventually
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10:08.11Mamarokfoobarz: did you read what we told you?
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10:08.47orzelHi. Since 4.4(rc1? i dont remember), very often kmail just freezes. Top shows that /usr/bin/dbus-daemon takes 100% of cpu...... anything i could do beside killing kmail ?
10:09.16orzelI'm afraid of killing dbus-daemon
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10:09.21foobarzyes, I will have to try it then and identify the leaks in one of the applications myself... no one will tell me exactly of any known leaks problems
10:09.56Mamarokfoobarz: I don't have any here, and I can't invent some just for you, sorry :)
10:10.38foobarzthanks, I just wanted to hear that people don't have any
10:11.14Mamarokagain, it highly depends on the application yu are using, maybe you use one that leaks, but it is *not* KDE
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10:12.25orzelmmm. killing kmail does not solve the pb. i can't start any application anymore and dbus-daemon keeps on taking all cpu. That's new.usually killing kmail solves the pb
10:12.57foobarzyes, I'm just wanting some a little reassurance that the basic applications like the panel, window manager and basic kde daemons are not known to leak... just helps me feel better to here at least someone say they work fine before I make my upgrade
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10:14.36rethusMamarok: any idea
10:15.10Mamarokrethus: not really, no, sorry
10:16.40Mamarokrethus: try asking in #kontact
10:16.58orzelnobody has any advice about this blocking situation?
10:17.06rethusk
10:17.29rdalethe biggest potential leaker is probably X11, which is outside kde's control
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10:19.59foobarzrdale: sounds good, I am gaining a feeling of confidence about my upgrade.. thanks :)
10:22.02gkiagiaorzel: are you using lancelot?
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10:23.14orzelgkiagia: no
10:25.13opensourcecatstrange thing. Akonadi creates random ical resources. I just fount twenty of them on the akonadi resource configuration...
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10:26.53orzelkilling the dbus stuff killed the whole kde and i had to restart X :-(
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10:30.48Half-Leftorzel: Yes because that's how the whole desktop communicates
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10:33.27orzelit seems to me that the original pb was kmail (kmail has a loooot of pb). Does the dbus stuff means that one application can make the whole kde crash ?
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10:35.48Half-LeftIt's not supposed to crash the whole desktop but dbus isn't a KDE thing. KDE just uses it.
10:36.10orzelOk, so hopefully this is a bug in dbus
10:36.17gkiagiaorzel: when dbus reaches 100% cpu usage, that usually means that an application is making too much dbus calls
10:36.31orzelyes, probably kmail. But  i had killed by the time
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10:36.51gkiagiaI have seen this problem with lancelot talking to kopete
10:36.56orzel(kmail was frozen and this happenned exactly at the time dbus started to take all cpu)
10:37.25Half-LeftThere seems to be a lot of problems with Kmail recently
10:39.55miasmakmail is pretty fragile. the latest isp update made it unusable here. now that my ip changes constantly, I need to restart kmail every 15 minutes or it can't fetch mail
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10:40.32einar77Half-Left: most of the problems with Kmail are with dbus
10:40.42einar77in particular, a single specific dbus bug
10:40.47einar77that's also making the nepomuk devs go insane
10:40.56Half-LeftOh nice
10:41.02opensourcecatsomeone knows if any progress is being made with gmail resources for akonadi? I have the gmail contacts akonadi resources (4.4rc3) but it stays "offline" all the time...
10:41.12einar77opensourcecat: they work fine here
10:41.26einar77since 4.3, when I set them up
10:41.35opensourcecatO.O
10:41.48einar77opensourcecat: some updates wipe the credentials
10:41.56einar77recheck if you can input them, if they are ther
10:41.58einar77e
10:42.02opensourcecatsomething weird with packages then. I'll build them from svn
10:42.07einar77or delete the resource and create a new one
10:42.13einar77well mine is built from source, I admit
10:42.14opensourcecatit's a new user
10:42.37opensourcecateinar77: do they works RW?
10:43.05ahoxWhen installing kdebase I get the error "file cannot create directory: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyKDE4." However I would like to install it into my private kde dir. Is this possible?
10:43.12ahoxI tried to set PYTHONHOME to no avail
10:43.27ahoxsry, PYTHONPATH
10:43.28einar77ahox: -DPYTHON_SITE_PACKAGES_DIR
10:43.30einar77to cmake
10:43.36ahoxthnx
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10:44.51einar77opensourcecat: yes they do work RW
10:44.58einar77I use that to keep my phone synced
10:47.29opensourcecatenhydra: tnx, i'll build them from source
10:47.37cb400fnhn: http://pastebin.com/m549bf131   .. ok with you?
10:47.51opensourcecatand warn opensuse-kde guys
10:48.09enhydraopensourcecat, tab carefully next time ;)
10:48.31einar77opensourcecat: oh, is there a package in the OBS?
10:48.33Half-Lefteinar77: Are the dbus devs looking into the bug?
10:48.45einar77Half-Left: it's quite old, and I'm not sure
10:48.59einar77strueg for example was hoping it would be worked around in QDBus
10:49.07einar77the PIMsters have added workarounds in their code
10:49.15einar77so that would tell you that it's unlikely it'll get fixed soon
10:49.41opensourcecateinar77: yes
10:49.47opensourcecatenhydra: sorry!
10:50.02Half-LeftYet another lower stack bug then that's reeking havoc on KDE4
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10:51.08einar77Half-Left: again I think (this is personal speculation) that no one thought that $SYSTEM would be used according to a new way of using it
10:51.14einar77NVIDIA was the same back in the days
10:51.22einar77"who cares about render accel, who uses ARGB?"
10:52.15Half-Leftyeah
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11:07.39rethushow can i set the notify messages for kalendar to other language (german) ?
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11:14.12krikowhat is the purpose of freedesktop.org? I heard many times mentioned in kde, but they don't seem to have a user-end frendly web page
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11:15.11cb400fit's not so much a user thing.. it's a developer thing
11:15.18cb400fcross desktop standards and such
11:15.56cb400f(and developing a lot of non-working stuff with 'kit' in the name >:-)
11:17.21Nilaycan some1 tell me how I can switch to KDE desktop environment from regular Fedora?
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11:18.12cb400fyou mean from gnome.. better ask in #fedora or #fedora-kde for the easiest way to do it
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11:18.58cb400fbut most likely you just have to install it somehow.. prolly there's a meta-package of some sort.. and then just select kde from the login manager session selector
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11:20.31Nilayahh ic.. I thought I did choose to install KDE in the installation period
11:20.46||arifaXI have to send a User Activity Event when computer is locked after inserting a usb-stick. udev script is ready but org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver SimulateUserActivity seems to have a known bug. any other ideas to simulate it eg. writing to keyboard device somehow?
11:21.09cb400fNilay: if it's already installed, then you just have to log into it :-)
11:21.21cb400ffrom gdm or kdm
11:21.31cb400fthe login manager
11:22.54Nilayyah it asked for a root password which I given to and now the lock is open but it says it is not a mountable drive I have 1000gb showing with LVM2 :( should I reinstall again and not mess with partition table? I was just trying to part a fat32 or vfat so I may be able to see the drives when I install windows on one of them.
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11:24.45cb400froot pass? mountable drive? .. just to log into kde? .. your system sounds messy
11:25.28cb400fmounting the windows partitions later is no problem.. no need to worry about that beforehand
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11:27.04Nilaynehhh... I don't have kde environment yet.. was wondering how I can switch it. my filesystem I have access to with /bin and etc has 815.2 gb but I can access to LVM2 Physical Volume is that normal?
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11:28.15NilayI was just reading online and it says that new Linux comes with LVM raid partition and it can be a handful so wondering if I should reinstal and disable drive encriptions and such as well to make my life easier?
11:28.51Nilayany suggestions?
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11:35.37Richlvjust to quickly clarify... is "kde sc" kde ?
11:36.46rdaleno kde is the commitiy, kde sc is a software release
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11:37.37MamarokCommunity to be precise :)
11:37.45rdaleindeed!
11:37.53Mamarokhi rdale :)
11:38.24rdalehi Mamarok
11:39.27Mamarokhow is life on your remote Atlantic hideout? ;)
11:39.37Mamarokwades through tons of snow in Switzerland
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11:43.02rdalevery sunny atm - but i wish i could go to cold brussels this weekend for fosdem - too expensive
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11:43.58Mamarokyah, same problem here, car ride is too long and the roads are not that good, and plane tickets and Brussels are too expensive
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11:47.27nhncb400f: fine. I pretty much figured it would ahve to start with a quick Qt intro
11:47.44nhnas everything else is pretty much based on those concepts
11:48.23cb400fok.. off the announce goes then.. I also added us here: http://community.kde.org/Promo/ReleaseParties/4.4#Copenhagen
11:48.56cb400fwould be nice if either you or could blog about it.. since you're planetkde'itized :-)
11:49.02cb400for pusling
11:49.53cb400frdale: kde sc is a subset of the kde software.. the stuff that gets released every six months
11:50.18rdaleyes that sounds right
11:50.23cb400fe.g. amarok, ktorrent, knetworkmanager etc. is also KDE software.. but not part of kde sc
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11:52.11rdalei noticed that the 'SC' should go before the release number: is KDE SC 4.4 - i was calling it KDE 4.4 SC until recently which is wrong i believe
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11:55.09cb400fyes
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12:08.55Half-Leftsends the KDE SC hit men over to rdale's house
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12:44.45foobarzin KDE 3.5.10, I use System Monitor and System Guard panel applets... does KDE4 have those for the panel?
12:45.41foobarzI also use Clock and Mixer applets on the panel... KDE4 has them too for it's panel?
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12:51.17Half-Leftfoobarz: yes but the mixer is in the systemtray
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12:57.45edneymatiasanyone knows how to remove and widget that i can't see anymore...i put some widgets on dashboard and now they don't show up...but add widget panel list them on running tab...
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12:58.28Half-Leftedneymatias: KDE versiuon?
12:58.38edneymatiaskde sc 4.4 rc3
12:59.18Half-LeftThe only way to remove widgets in 4.4 is by the widget itself
12:59.26Half-Leftor the config file
12:59.41edneymatiasHalf-Left: do you know which config file to look?
13:00.05Half-LeftProbably the plasma-desktopappletrc
13:00.13edneymatiasHalf-Left: checking
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13:00.55foobarzis KDE5 in development?
13:01.06Half-Leftnope
13:02.07Half-LeftKDE4 has quiet a way to go yet
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13:04.39foobarzdoes KDE4 work easily with devices like eSATA and USB 3.0 external hard drives?
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13:07.52foobarzI understand that probably depends on the kernel and lower level OS stuff, but I'm not sure... maybe KDE itself senses new devices and runs the proper commands to mount them etc?
13:07.56Half-LeftThat's more a lower stack question and assuming you have the kernel that supports USB 3.0
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13:09.43Half-LeftUltimately, that's the kernel, udev, HAL's job
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13:10.00foobarzhm.. yeah... those things don't seem user friendly
13:10.44Half-LeftThey're not meant to be really ,since they're lower stack and should be transparent
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13:11.07foobarzit would be nice to just plug in a drive, and KDE pop up a helper or something, and you allow it root access and it sets up the drive mount and things letting you choose appropriate options... I guess that is too much tho
13:11.09Half-Left"Should just work"
13:11.20einar77Half-Left: that's up to HAL or whatever replaces it
13:11.48einar77(udev + u* stuff, since the *kit people always like to rename and break things)
13:11.58Half-LeftDevicekit is the replacement yeah
13:12.04pinotreenope
13:12.11einar77there's no more devicekit
13:12.18JucatoHalf-Left: not anymore
13:12.22einar77most of the things will be done by udev as far as I can understand
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13:12.28Half-LeftEh?
13:12.31einar77with extra from udisks and upower
13:12.42einar77(former devicekit stuff)
13:13.07JucatoHalf-Left: devicekit has been deprecated before it saw the light of day (or something like that :)
13:13.17Half-LeftDeviceKit is actually replacing HAL in some distros
13:13.25einar77Half-Left: there's no more devicekit
13:13.28Half-LeftJucato: lol
13:13.28JucatoHalf-Left: upstream deprecated it already
13:13.30einar77it was split in 2
13:13.33einar77and then renamed
13:13.39Half-Leftoh god
13:13.45einar77and it's not going to do everything HAL did
13:13.48Half-LeftPleeeeeeeeesenooooooooo
13:14.00einar77most of the stuff will be delegated to udev and the like
13:14.24Half-LeftI wish they'd sort that stuff out good and proper
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13:14.41einar77Half-Left: in fact, devicekit-power and devicekit-disks became upower and udisks or something like this
13:14.43Jucatoaaaanyway, back to the topic at hand :)
13:15.05foobarzso for now, dealing with a plugin external drive is a technical commandline process ?
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13:15.20Jucatonot really
13:15.43Jucatomore like "it's up to your distro to make sure that you don't have to worry about that kind of thing"
13:15.48einar77exactly
13:15.57einar77an affair of downstream
13:16.19edneymatiasis knetworkmanager applet working? i mean does it list wireless netoworks to anyone here? mine doesnt list them and even if i set up a connection i cant connect
13:16.39Half-Leftplus his camera and usb stick in and the device Manager pops up
13:16.51JucatoHalf-Left: that's not eSATA or USB 3.0 is it?
13:16.54einar77edneymatias: works fine here, which distro, KDE SC version and applet version are using?
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13:17.06oneforallits crazu too t6hat they never even named polkit polkit-1 . people are supposed to use some magic to figure out by the version
13:17.20Half-LeftJucato: If it's supported it shouldn't matter
13:17.33kaddiwhen did the name change from kde to kde SC and why?
13:17.34JucatoHalf-Left: well, he was specifically asking about those two technologies
13:17.37einar77Jucato: as long as HAL/whatever handles it, solid should too, or not?
13:17.51Half-LeftUSB 3.0 is very new anyway
13:18.10einar77kaddi: it was a years-long process that culminated in a promotion sprint last year in Stuttgart
13:18.10Jucatoeinar77: yep. just asking Half-Left because he was making an example seemingly :)
13:18.41JetchiselHalf-Left: does it do wireless? (on usb 3)
13:18.44Jucatooneforall: it's not for "people" (end-users) to figure out. of course since you're packaging your own stuff, you really don't count :P
13:18.47einar77kaddi: rationale being that you can run the apps outside of the KDE desktop workspace
13:18.58Half-LeftUltimately as you know, it should work like any other device
13:19.00oneforallpff :)
13:19.04einar77kaddi: and that you do not need the workspace to run the applications (just the libraries needed by them)
13:19.13Jucatokaddi: http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand
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13:19.25einar77Jucato: pff, spoiled the fun :P
13:19.42Jucatohahah sorry :P
13:19.47Half-LeftJetchisel: No idea
13:19.52Jucatothought I'd save you the trouble, but feel free to drone on :)
13:20.44einar77Too bad my suggestion "Bunch of Stuff" didn't make it in the end, and SC was chosen :P
13:21.00kaddihehe
13:21.06kaddithx einar77 & Jucato :)
13:21.12Jucatoeinar77: would have been a very nice acronym ;)
13:21.25foobarzis KDE now like a general GUI application development library, like GTK is?
13:21.32Jucatono
13:21.38JucatoKDE refers to the whole universe
13:21.39einar77foobarz: KDE is people, it's the whole community and what is made by it
13:21.43Jucatoer ... community
13:21.48Jucatothe whole brand
13:21.55Jucatoit's an umbrella term
13:21.56einar77foobarz: the libs are "KDE Development Platform" now
13:22.15Half-LeftJucato: universe eh? :p
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13:22.27JucatoHalf-Left: yeah!!
13:22.35einar77Half-Left: he's looking ahead, world domination is not enough ;)
13:22.51foobarzKDE is not like Soylent green tho
13:22.54Half-LeftOh god,don't go around telling everybody
13:23.02Jucatoat least I'm only looking at *uni*verse ... I'm not so ambituous as to include all other multiverses
13:23.15Jucatofoobarz: it's Soylent Blue actually. new product
13:23.16kaddiwith time you'll get those as well. :D
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13:23.50Jucato(made from brain matter instead of corpses. dyed blue to hide the real color)
13:24.44Jucatofoobarz: good idea though. if we get bored of the "KDE" name and become a world power, we'll change to "Soylent Korporation" :)
13:25.15edneymatiasJucato: using fedora, kde sc 4.4 rc3 from redhat kde repositories....
13:26.05Jucatoedneymatias: might want to ask in #fedora-kde (KDE doesn't ship knetworkmanager yet afaik)
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13:27.48edneymatiasyeap i know that...i tried that...but since beta it's been like that....i thought something was wrong but yesterday i did the same question at #fedora-kde....just to find out that it's working for some folks...j
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13:33.12foobarzI tried KDE4 a while back, like over a year ago... I think version 4.1... my graphics card is GeForce FX 5200, and I had issues trying to run KDE4 on it... will I still have issues on it with the current version?
13:34.15Half-Leftfoobarz: It won't bite, try the latest version and see for yourself
13:36.14cb400ffoobarz: I use 4.3.5 wif fx5500.. it's not bad
13:36.46cb400fthough effects run smoother on my intel945 klaptop.. which.. well... you'd expect the nvidia to perform better
13:37.14Jucatoit's all in the drivers in this case
13:37.43cb400fyup
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14:00.49lvhHello.
14:01.22lvhIf I want to synchronize between kdepim and my Google Calendar/Contacts/... is GCalDaemon still the preferred method, or should I use opensync/kitchensync?
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14:05.02oneforallcb400f  iirc too the new drivers don'y support the 5500 series iether now
14:05.28cb400fnew drivers support only >= gf6
14:05.43cb400ffx5xxx series must use old nasty 173.x.x.x
14:05.44oneforallyeah 6 up
14:06.31oneforallI have a xf5200 in one box
14:06.31cb400fbut the that version still gets some minor maintanance
14:06.50oneforallerr fx*]
14:07.16Jucatoa lot better than the GF4 MX series I had (96.xx.xx drivers only) :P
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14:10.53Half-LeftJucato: That was a good card though, the FX was poor. I remember paying £350 for my FX card and it's crappy PS 2.0 performance :p
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15:27.15johnny69I would like to add a link/shortcut/icon on the taskbar that directly links/execute a program.   Is this possible with kde 4.3.5 ??  Right clicking on the taskbar doesn't show a,  "add link/shortcut"  that I can see.    (Kde 4.3.5 Release 3/suse 11.2)   Thank you.
15:28.57Half-Leftjohnny69: Yes, in dolphin or the Folder View widget and then drag it into the panel
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15:30.10johnny69Half-Left:   Will that also work using konqeuror?
15:30.52Half-Leftyes
15:31.40johnny69Half-Left:   Groovy!!!  Thank you.
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15:36.02afd_hi guys! Technically not a kde bug, but maybe you can help a fellow that want to get KDE. I'm hitting this error when trying to install KDE on Ubuntu Lucid
15:36.09afd_http://dpaste.com/155000/
15:36.30afd_Anyone has an idea what I could do/whom should I bug about updating the python-kde4 package?
15:36.57pinotreeafd_: ask in #kubuntu, not here
15:37.05afd_ok
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17:31.53urkudHi! Polkit-1 kauth backend doesn't work for me. How can I check whether the problem is in auth agent, or in kcm/helper?
17:32.09urkud(or with my config files?)
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17:37.55alphageeksilly question, but is it possible to swallow afterstep/windowmaker applets (ie: asmem, wmnd, etc) in the kde panel?
17:38.14alphageekkde 4.2.4 on slackware 13.0, btw
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17:43.11Half-Leftalphageek: Don't think so no. Only KDE4 widgets use the panel
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17:43.25alphageekbummer
17:43.35Half-Leftor Google Gadgets
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18:17.14MiescoWhats KDE's hex editor called? :)
18:17.44Half-LeftOkteta
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18:21.02MiescoOh, okay
18:21.25Ender2070not KHex? LOL
18:22.58Half-LeftEnder2070: Quite a few K names were dropped with KDE4
18:23.15Ender2070That's KHeresy!
18:23.39alphageekkeke
18:23.41Half-LeftSanity more like
18:24.23Ender2070at least some of the names still have strong K sounds in them
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18:25.07Ender2070like the best pdf reader ever, okular
18:26.38Half-Left:p
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18:30.31MinceRi miss those K names
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18:33.56Half-LeftMinceR: They're mostly Kdead
18:34.11MinceRindeed
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18:34.13Half-Leftkdegames still has them
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18:47.48tsbOf course, now that one weird thing was "removed" (k in everything), another was added: kde was renamed kde s.c. I only wonder why they stopped there, why not kde sc eod9 93k.. :)
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19:28.37nascentmindhi. in konsole is there a way that the split view acts independently and simply not create a clone?
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19:59.07tkmorrisaseigo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225645 do you think this is possible?
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20:07.33aseigotkmorris: plausible; not sure off the top of my head how difficult it would be, however
20:07.43tkmorrisaseigo: ty
20:10.58krikodoes the new oxygen windeco theme disobeys active titlebar text color in 4.4?
20:11.00krikoseems so
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20:22.18Half-Leftkriko: It's Window>Normal Text
20:23.20krikoah yes! thanks!
20:23.30krikowhat is then titlebar color under common?
20:25.16Half-LeftFor window decos that can change their colour
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20:28.23charzeroWhat am I missing if the language dropdown for the KDE "Switch Application Language" menu is empty?
20:29.10Half-Leftkriko: Active Titlebar
20:29.45krikocharzero: you need to install them
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20:34.48charzerokriko: What exactly do I have to install? I installed a few packages (kmail, konqueror, okular) from DEBs.
20:35.01krikoand the language packages
20:35.12krikowhich distro?
20:35.40charzerokriko: Debian (testing)
20:35.47krikocan't help you
20:36.21charzerokriko: I tried installing kde-i18n-engb and kde-l10n-engb, but that did not help.
20:36.36krikothat is strange
20:36.43krikoprobably broken packages
20:37.04charzerokriko: Well, actually it did help. I still can't select a language from that menu, but now it does not think every word is misspelled when I compose an email.
20:37.30krikoah, spellchecking
20:37.35krikodon't know about that
20:38.31charzeroWell that is interesting. It likes "favorite" now, but not "favourite"
20:41.27Half-LeftYou need en_GB
20:41.33krikoMaybe application has separate options for spellchecking?
20:41.54Half-LeftYou need your spell check language pack
20:43.01Half-LeftMost likely hspell-"my language"
20:43.09Half-Leftaspell*
20:43.35charzeroYeah, I've got that already.
20:43.43charzeroWell, it works now at any rate. I'll leave it alone.
20:44.52Half-LeftYou'll most likely need to restart KDE to see the spellings change
20:45.37charzeroHalf-Left: I don't use KDE the wm/de. I did close all KDE apps and make sure that all the kdeinit4 and kioslave processes were gone.
20:47.27Half-LeftMake sure it's set in the systemsettings as default to en_GB
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20:47.52charzeroHalf-Left: I actually wanted en_US. There was no enus package, so I figured I could live with engb. (:
20:48.12Half-Leftahhh
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20:50.31Half-Leftcharzero: We generally keep the U in words like colour and such, that's the main difference :p
20:51.07Half-LeftWe=The British
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20:52.28charzeroHalf-Left: And the i in aluminium. We (The Americans) should put the missing letters back in.
20:52.47sreichyep..
20:53.13sreichbut we're too stupid for complex words like that
20:53.17charzeroOf course in 25 years we're both going to have to learn Indian English anyway . . .
20:54.13TomasuAwayin case anyone from Edmonton Ab is in here, or someone who will be in town on the 9th, http://community.kde.org/Promo/ReleaseParties/4.4#Edmonton_Alberta  :)
20:54.24Half-LeftFunny how it works but of course you can do what you like :)
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21:37.53theclawmy graphics card supports xrandr 1.2, and in gnome I can set the position of both of my screens relative to each other. In KDE, in system settings, it lists screen, but I can't set the position of each.
21:38.25theclawthat's what's shown: http://i.imgur.com/3iCYf.png
21:38.58theclaw(my graphics card *does* support this feature, it works when I use xrandr from the command line, but that setting will get overwritten)
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21:44.35ZanQdoIm looking for a keypress display for KDE
21:44.39ZanQdoanyone know something?
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22:25.24opensourcecatHi all. This character: ⁄ is responsible of a long standing bug in kde's kio NFS service.
22:25.40opensourcecathttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184997
22:26.12opensourcecatcan someone with kde source code try fo searc for this cahracter?
22:27.09opensourcecatit is strange because is pretty similar to / but leads to a failure of kio_nfs when entering a folder
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22:31.26Torchopensourcecat: just grepping for it turns up nothing
22:32.25Torchopensourcecat: but the bug report already said that, too
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22:45.16urkudHi! Are there any plasma-netbook features that I cannot use in normal plasma?
22:45.53Rellinurkud: the newspaper layout in general, I think.
22:46.16urkudI already use newspaper activities in 'normal' plasma
22:46.35RellinHmm, I cant figure out how to do that.  Oh well.
22:46.51krikowhen selecting colors in systemsettings, there is a strange cursor, a hand. It doesn't look right
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22:47.29urkudRellin: Probably they've appeared after I've switched to plasma-netbook and back again
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22:58.59cb400fkebomix: better ask your distro
22:59.09cb400fpackages have different names.. etc.
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