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00:07.36morsikhello... whats wrong here? http://wklej.org/id/268181/
00:07.47morsiki really don't know why this app can start
00:08.36troylooks like a dbus error of sorts - sadly, I'm not usually able to debug such things myself
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00:14.36gkiagiamorsik: you do not have permission to access the x server from that terminal for some reason
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00:18.25morsikhuh... something brokes all X - i don't know why
00:18.32morsiki just reload and now apps working
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02:04.05PuffTheMagic_does anyone know if there is any plan to add support in knetworkmanger for setting interface preference order?
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04:27.25insaneNproudanybody know why my screensavers would not be working?
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06:18.52johnny69Hi folks...hopefully this one will be easy to answer.   I plug in a flash/thumb drive and no box appears asking what I want to do with it.  (open,  ignore,  show folders,  etc)  I plug in my camera and nothing appears either in the way of a prompt.  However,  using a file manager I can see either device and what they contain. Any ideas?   (kde 4.3.4 / Suse 11.2)   Thank you.
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06:26.09troyjohnny69: might want to ask in the #opensuse channels as well, but my guess is that the KDE background service that is supposed to detect those things is somehow b0rked - not sure how or why though
06:26.23troyjohnny69: have you tried logging out and back into kde?
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06:32.00hammerjvHi all - I've been out of it for a while - I'm using kde 4 on gentoo and I seem to have deleted my task bar from the desktop and I'm not sure how to get it back??? help
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06:37.17troyhammerjv: easiest way is to poke into /home/username/.kde4/share/config and look for files named plasma* - if you aren't fond of your plasma settings, you can move them away, or try poking around inside those files to fix a single setting
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06:39.42hammerjvtroy: so just go in there and nuke the plasma settings?
06:40.21hammerjvlet it recreate them when I restart kde?
06:40.45Jucatohammerjv: are you missing the whole panel at the bottom? or just the list of tasks/windows?
06:40.52hammerjvthe whole panel
06:41.46Jucatoyou can also just add a new blank panel and re-add all the widgets back (6-7 widgets at most)
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06:42.30Jucatodunno if Alt+F2, "killall plasma-desktop" (which will abruptly kill plasma) and then Alt+F2, "plasma-desktop" will restore it
06:42.37Jucato(you can try, but no promises)
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07:01.57Speedy2Hey all.  Is KDE 4.3 lacking any major features from KDE 3.5x?   I tried using Kate in 4.2 (IIRC) and found it was lacking a lot of code highlighting and other important features that were present in the 3.5x versions of Kate.
07:02.17hammerjvall that helped just a minute ago thanks
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07:03.53troyhammerjv: yw
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07:04.07troySpeedy2: should work - not sure that anything major regressed in kate in 4.x
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07:04.20troySpeedy2: you might be missing some plugins due to distro package reoganization
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07:32.02wordstill no change :-/
07:32.13wordwrong window >_<
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08:37.54TobiGdoes anyone know where the networkmanager plasmoid got moved ? /trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager is empty
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08:47.47TorchTobiG: try kdereview
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10:29.05leleobhzHello!
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10:31.15leleobhzIve installed kde4 FreeBSD ports, and i got a terribly unstable system, without phonon configuration, without id3 support on juk, w/o Device manager/Network Manager/Bluetooth manager, with graphics errors (This is a xorg issue, but i dont know if i did something wrong), user manager dont support FBSD8 (And FBSD6 support dont work) and i didnt tested everything yet
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10:31.58Torchleleobhz: this sounds more like an isseu for a freebsd support channel, does it not?
10:32.07leleobhzi did the installation with "portmaster /usr/ports/x11/kde4" and the compilation got aborted sometimes (but run again made it works)
10:32.16leleobhzTorch: i really dont know where to ask
10:32.28leleobhzbecause i think is a install isue
10:32.31Torchleleobhz: people here won't be able to help you with that
10:32.34leleobhzand freebsd.kde.org dont help a lot
10:32.50Torchleleobhz: try a general freebsd channel
10:32.53leleobhzi did the procedure of http://freebsd.kde.org/instructions.php
10:33.08leleobhzi will also
10:33.49Torchleleobhz: there's #kde-freebsd
10:33.53leleobhzTorch: i think its very strange because i never seen this happening with kde (My desktop runs 4.4 from kubuntu-beta and works very very stable and well)
10:34.08leleobhzTorch: ! i dont know this. Ill try ask there
10:34.12leleobhzTorch: thanks a lot!
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10:40.42Paddy_NIHello not sure if I am in the correct place but I am trying to use network-manager-gnome in kde 4 would anyone know of a guide for doing this?
10:41.27TorchPaddy_NI: they have this thing called nm-applet in gnome. just run it. it will show up in your kde4 system tray.
10:41.43Paddy_NITorch, yeah mate I tried that
10:41.46Paddy_NIno joy
10:41.48Paddy_NI:(
10:42.14Paddy_NII had to remove the kde plasma network manager widget
10:42.22Paddy_NIPlasmoid rather
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10:42.33Paddy_NIno I have no network manager at all :(
10:42.36Paddy_NI*know
10:42.48KoliaPaddy_NI: install wicd
10:42.56TorchPaddy_NI: sure you haven't set the nm-applet to be hidden in the systray by mistake?
10:43.07Paddy_NIKolia, tried that.. it failed saying no network connection
10:43.16Paddy_NITorch, oh.. good point
10:43.21Koliareally? wow, wicd is generally extremely reliable
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10:43.37Koliayou must have a real problem
10:43.53TorchPaddy_NI: anyway, this is obviously not the channel to discuss problems with nm-applet.
10:44.06Torch(or network-manager or wicd)
10:44.10Paddy_NIKolia, yes I love wicd but it could not install it as it removed the networking components connecting me to the net in the first place :)
10:44.41Paddy_NIshould have used an ethernet cable I know
10:44.42Paddy_NI:P
10:45.07Paddy_NITorch, under kde it kinda would be
10:45.22TorchPaddy_NI: no.
10:46.22Paddy_NIthe lack of ability to connect to a hidden wireless network or my mobile broadband using kde's network manager and being told on kde's site to use gnomes network manager does not qualify?
10:46.33Paddy_NIok
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10:51.00Paddy_NIAre kde officially doing there own netbook version?
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10:52.33thiagoPaddy_NI: yes
10:52.37thiagothere is a plasma-netbook
10:52.43Paddy_NInice one
10:52.46cb400fPaddy_NI: kde 4.4 will have plasma-netbook.. which is an interface especially for small screens
10:52.50cb400fif that's what you mean
10:52.57Paddy_NIsounds good to me
10:53.11Koliai checked it yesterday for the first time.. and this is very nice
10:53.14Paddy_NIhighly portable beauty :D
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11:02.06Paddy_NIHas the kde global menu bar been ported to kde 4 yet?
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11:24.16mlankhorstAll the colors I can select in a color theme are opaque, would it be possible to select alpha too? I bet it would make a nice color theme, similar to the transparant taskbar
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11:32.42Paddy_NImlankhorst, Yeah it would be nice to have a Plasma air like theme for QT apps
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11:40.54mlankhorstwonders how hard it would be to write
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11:53.10mlankhorstTrue, but it would be nice to see if it could work for some well-behaved applications
11:53.50mlankhorstand then just disable for the non-qt apps
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11:57.34simion314mlankhorst: you can try buillding a basic application some butons,labels,listview and play with the transparecy and see if the app is still usable: you can read the text from the buttons,labels
11:58.16mlankhorster not transparant as in you just set the whole window to 50%, but transparant in the way taskbar is.
11:59.02mlankhorstthe background being 50%, but all the foreground items all 100%
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12:05.30mlankhorstsmiles, second hit on 'writing your first kde program' returns writing your first visual basic program
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12:25.21kjetilkWorkI'm on Ubuntu Karmic with 4.3.4 backports, and I'm having trouble syncing KAddressbook with a Zimbra install
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12:26.53kjetilkWorkthe setup should be pretty straightforward, use LDAP:
12:27.12kjetilkWorkI'm on Ubuntu Karmic with 4.3.4 backports, and I'm having trouble syncing KAddressbookhttp://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Mail_Client_LDAP_Configurahttp://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Mail_Client_LDAP_Configuration#Kontact.2FKaddresshttp://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Mail_Client_LDAP_Cohttp://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=Mail_Client_LDAP_Configuration#Kontact.2FKaddressbooknfiguration#Kontact.2FKaddressbookbooktion#Kontact.
12:27.13kjetilkWork2FKaddressbookk with a Zimbra install
12:27.28kjetilkWorkerr, what? sorry about that
12:28.42kjetilkWorkAnyway, I'm getting an error: http://pastebin.ca/1765073
12:29.02kjetilkWorkthe critical piece seems to be this:
12:29.07kjetilkWorkldap://kjetil.kjernsmo@ms1.startsiden.no:389ou=People,
12:29.20kjetilkWorkthere seems to be a / missing in that URI
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12:29.41tuxickwhere?
12:29.44kjetilkWorkor is this not critical, is there something else?
12:29.53kjetilkWorkbetween 389 and ou
12:32.22kjetilkWorkI can see several ways that this may not be the problem, but it seems very suspecious...
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12:39.01caf4926anyone here been trying the search and launch contaiment for the desktop
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12:42.56kjetilkWorknevermind my question, I just needed use it anonymously
12:43.21caf4926see the 3 launchers above the search field: http://www.imagebam.com/image/e9d90765041001
12:43.53caf4926How come you can remove them and not add them
12:44.23caf4926and they can randomly just disapear
12:44.34caf4926kde4.4 RC2
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13:32.45nodiehow can I configure kde 4.3.1 so I have desktop icons like in kde 3 ?
13:33.02nodieI mean full screen, not a little window showing some directory
13:33.10ajax1how can i install kde4 for fedora 12?
13:33.24Torchnodie: right click on desktop -> desktop settings -> activity type -> folder view
13:33.37Torchajax1: ask on #fedora
13:33.45ajax1is it better than 3.5?
13:33.57Torchajax1: yes.
13:34.34ajax1only in user interface or what?*
13:36.05Torchajax1: there have been thousands of reviews over the last two years of KDE4.
13:36.22nodiethanks Torch :)
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13:45.12dziadudo you have problem with compiling korganizer because of missing libkorganizer_calendar.so?
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13:58.25ld50dziadu: trunk and branch 4.4 no
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14:05.36Illusioneeris away: Gone away for now
14:06.24aerlyHi. I have trouble configuring gwenview. I want to use mouse wheel to go to next/previous picture, but when I try to scroll the mouse during key setup dialog, I get nothing.
14:06.29Illusioneeris back.
14:07.17Torchaerly: this can be configured in settings -> configure -> image view
14:07.54aerlyThanks, Torch ;)
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16:02.40edgyHi, I am sitting in front of a Konsole where it's sticked on the top left corner and I cannot more it to any place by clicking on the title bar or using alt and dragging it with the mouse, how can I remove this configuration?
16:05.10Torchedgy: you can however move other windows?
16:05.22edgyTorch: yes sure
16:05.50Torchedgy: kill konsole and start it again
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16:07.20edgyTorch: I did but when I start it, same problem happens, now i noticed it's started on All Desktops, how can I tell it to start in one desktop only?
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16:08.34edgyok I now figured it out. it's an option the desktop effects window ;)
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16:10.08Torchedgy: i guess kwin is responsible for that.
16:10.08Torchedgy: hmm?
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16:11.59edgyTorch: yes seems so. There is 'Window-specific" option on those effects window which is set for konsole specific options like position and geometry
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16:13.18Torchedgy: that's what i meant regarding kwin. these should not make the window un-movable, though.
16:13.19JucatoWindow Specific Settings/Rules aren't really tied to desktop effects. they are applied regardless whether desktop effects are enabled/working or not
16:13.44edgyJucato: aha
16:14.04edgyTorch: it's unmovable because it sets the app to be displayed in all desktops may be
16:14.24edgyTorch: or may be because it hard code the position to 0.0
16:14.30Jucatothe latter
16:14.38Jucatopinning on all desktops doesn't make it unmovable
16:15.00Jucato(you can click the circle beside the window title name to turn that on/off. the window should still be able to move)
16:16.13Torchi didn't know you could force window to a position and thus make it non-movable... just tried it out. that's crazy ;-)
16:16.58Torchedgy: you got your problem with konsole fixed now?
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16:20.05opensourcecathi all. Just moved .kde4/share/config/kmail* and .kde4/share/apps/kmail* to a new home but while kmail starts with all accounts and emails from the previous install i get missing identities! What do i have to copy to carry previously configured identities?
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16:21.17Jucatoopensourcecat: ~/.kde/share/config/emailidentities
16:21.35Jucato(basically *mail* :)
16:21.38opensourcecatJucato: tnx
16:21.45kdepepoopensourcecat, and config/mailtransports probably :)
16:23.07opensourcecati'v got only mailtransports, tere's no mailidentities on the old config/! how is that possible?
16:23.24kdepepo*e*mailidentities
16:23.31opensourcecatok
16:23.38kdepepoits also in share/apps
16:24.44opensourcecati fount it in config/
16:24.53opensourcecatcopied email* and mail*
16:25.20opensourcecateverything is in place now
16:25.24kdepepoapps != config, you probably need to copy both
16:25.24opensourcecatmany thansk
16:26.10opensourcecatok
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16:27.07opensourcecatthere's nothing called [e]mail in apps/...
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16:49.38IzinucsI've got a couple kmail questions.... how do I get "Reply's" to start my reply on Top of the previous message instead of the bottom?  Also, how do I get forwards to "Quote" the text instead of "Attaching" the previous email?
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16:51.52del_diabloWhat was the command for forcing the bugged down 4.3.* to refresh its options?
16:52.48Torchdel_diablo: what do you mean?
16:53.05Jucatokbuildsycoca4?
16:53.33TorchIzinucs: the forward-button is a menu. there's forward inline in there.
16:54.09TorchIzinucs: the outlook-express-style-reply you describe is probably not possible to protect the innocent.
16:54.10del_diabloTorch: The bug of options and stuff not refreshing properly. The settings in the menu is not refreshing(its not detecting gstreamer!)
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16:55.10IzinucsTorch: protect the innocent?  I'm not sure I quite understand that.. I know it's not typically considered "conventional" but some who I email expect it that way. :(
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16:55.50TorchIzinucs: you mean you want kmail to behave in a broken and stupid way because you know people used to broken and stupid software?
16:56.24TorchIzinucs: anyway, pointless discussion. i don't think it's possible.
16:56.29IzinucsTorch: don't be harsh or demeaning..
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16:58.48IzinucsTorch: I'm just looking for options so my messages to less enlightened, non-technical individuals don't lose my reply by not looking at the bottom of an email..
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17:13.49marcosRzGuys how can I change my icons to gree, I tried changing on kde and I got this --> http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8994/snapshot1lu.png
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17:16.14marcosRzanyone knows how to change this?
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17:18.50TorchmarcosRz: hmm, how did you do that?
17:21.04shivamtorch : he did System settings > appearance > icons > advanced > desktop > set effect > colorise
17:21.14QwertyMmarcosRz: click "Set effect" under that green folder icon, change the colorize value
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17:21.37QwertyMor set to no effect, of course..
17:22.02Torchshivam: never heard of that ;-)
17:22.08marcosRzhm????????????
17:22.17JucatoTorch: since KDE 3 :)
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17:22.22KiRiLoSQwertyM, what he wants is to make the folder Green,not reverse what he did.
17:22.27marcosRzI want gree folders
17:22.33marcosRz*green folder but normal icons
17:22.35TorchJucato: never _wanted_ to so sth like that ... not even in kde3 ;-)
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17:22.43TorchmarcosRz: edit the svg file
17:22.44QwertyMmarcosRz: ah
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17:23.16JucatoTorch: you're just not adventurous
17:23.18Jucato(or insane)
17:23.19Jucato(or both)
17:23.23marcosRz?
17:23.43TorchJucato: i'm old and boring. just say it ;-)
17:24.36Torchahh, that's for distinguishing between active, default and disabled...
17:24.41Torchmakes sense.
17:25.46JucatomarcosRz: the only way I can think of: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> File Associations -> go to inode/directory and click on the folder icon. set it to a green folder icon
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17:26.01Jucato(you can find one under the Places category)
17:26.24marcosRzoh
17:26.25marcosRzcool
17:26.29marcosRzI" m going to try
17:27.33marcosRzI' ll wait a lil I posted this question on kde forums.
17:27.43marcosRzIf I don' t find a easier way I' ll do that
17:28.00Jucatodoesn't think there is any other way ;)
17:28.11KiRiLoSdamn this simple thing shouldnt be that hard
17:28.37TorchmarcosRz: what's wrong with the solution Jucato suggested?
17:29.10marcosRzTorch: If I change theme, for example
17:29.17marcosRzicon theme
17:29.32TorchmarcosRz: then what?
17:29.36marcosRzand theres a bunch of icons there not a green folder
17:29.41marcosRzfor example network
17:29.43marcosRzand so on
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17:29.58marcosRzTorch: when I change on mime, I "hardcode"
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17:30.43TorchmarcosRz: well, either you want to overwrite what the icon set has as a folder icon or you don't. you need to make a choice here, really.
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17:32.32KiRiLoSi dont really get how color changes the way Jucato suggested.That's for changing the whole icon or I am just missing something?:P
17:33.15marcosRzwell KiRiLoS he suggested for us to go on mymetipes (sytem->adv->fileassociation) and change the folder there
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17:33.51KiRiLoSi went there,and from what i understand you change the whole folder icon,not the color of it
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17:34.07marcosRzyes
17:34.16Jucatoyou just can't simply change the color of a single kind of icon by simply modifying a setting.
17:34.39KiRiLoSyeah,so far i realised that.
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17:34.52vinnie_whats the process viewing app for kde?
17:35.00Jucatoit's not a "simple thing that shouldn't be hard"
17:35.00cb400fksysguard
17:35.05cb400for press ctrl+esc
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17:35.39vinnie_cb400f: thanx
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17:39.45TorchKiRiLoS: and the blue folder icon exists in a green variant...
17:40.09Fieldyhi, i'm using kde 4.unknown (kind of stuck at the moment), my system was acting up so i tried the sysreq sync command (ctl+alt+sysreq+s) and the kde menu and taskbar and desktops display on the bottom of the screen disappeared. is there some key combo to get it back? Doing that sequence again doesn't bring it back.
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17:41.09TorchFieldy: run plasma-desktop from a shell
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17:41.19TorchFieldy: or from alt+f2 if that works.
17:41.32Fieldyalright. yeah i was just checking that, nothing with "plasma" is running. one would think it'd restart brb
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17:41.50Vamp898hi, little question. Neither in KDE 4.4 RC1 nor in RC2 is the Menu for Akonadi in Systemsettings and i have a problem. When i start KMail, KMail starts akonadi and akonadi runs in background after KMail is closed. With a lot of processes, lot of memory usage and CPU usage
17:42.25MrHalesGreetings, all.  Try as I might, I do not seem to be asking Google the right question and former knowledge has evaporated from my brain... so, I remember doing a bit of copying and editing on another app's .desktop file in order to integrate installed software into all users' menus... I can't remember where to put them.
17:42.29Fieldythere we go. thanks Torch. any idea if that key sequence had anything to do with it? all it's supposed to do is force the kernel to write all pending disk writes immediately.
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17:42.32Vamp898so i have to kill every akonadi process by hand (which is quite fast and easy with the systemmonitor) but its annoying
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17:43.18TorchFieldy: i know what a sysrq is. no, that hasn't directly affected that. something else on your system was probably wrong too.
17:43.37TorchMrHales: /usr/share/applications/kde4
17:43.46Fieldycurious. i'll have to be on the lookout for it again
17:43.49MrHalesTorch: Many thanks.  :-)
17:44.10Fieldydidn't know about alt-F2, i already had a terminal open elsewhere (able to get to it by mousing to the upper-left corner), but that's good to know
17:44.26TorchFieldy: that's the krunner... many great features.
17:44.38MrHalesTorch:  You are my personal hero and will be so for at least an hour.
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17:46.24rdieterVamp898: you using akonadi-1.3.0 ?  (If not, upgrade)
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17:47.11Vamp898rdieter yes im using akonadi 1.3.0
17:47.34Vamp898and KDE 4.4 RC2 right now
17:47.43rdieterok, prior versions had threading deadlocks (wrt nepomuk)
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17:48.28Vamp898i thought maybe i can setup kmail to stop akonadi server after its closed
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17:52.24noehi, after upgrate to 4.4 rc2 I cannot logout, reboot, shutdown etc using kde
17:52.45brotnoe: ensure kdm works like it should
17:52.47Torchnoe: you're logging in with kdm?
17:53.39pinotreelogout should always be possible though, no matter which DM (or none)
17:53.51Torchpinotree: you're right, of course
17:55.11Vamp898neo which distribution?
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17:55.26noeI'm using kdm
17:55.35noegentoo
17:55.54brotah
17:55.57brot:)
17:56.14Vamp898hmmm dont know about the situation on Gentoo^^ sry
17:56.15brottried restarting kdm?
17:56.21noein .xsession-erros i got "plasma-desktop(2464)/plasma LockOut::clickLogout: LockOut:: logout clicked"
17:56.28brotyour "forgingSeed" may have changed.
17:57.11noeand nothing happens
17:57.22noei got also consolekit running
17:57.33brotnoe: works for me.
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17:57.40brotyou may want to ask in #gentoo-kde :)
17:57.44Vamp898noe maybe restart kdm (and consolekit too) as brot said
17:57.59noei rebooted computer
17:58.09noeand it didn;t help
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17:58.48Vamp898it does not seem to be KDE related so maybe you want to ask in #gentoo-kde as brot said (again xD)
17:59.17noeok, thanks
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18:09.17Vamp898ok i tested a bit but i dont get it
18:09.31Vamp898everytime when i start KMail it starts akonadi and akonadi stays in background after KMail is closed
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18:13.59Vamp898hmmm i think i just use akonadi tray. With that i can start/stop akonadi easy
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18:35.16EGDhm
18:35.22EGDhello
18:35.47EGDHow me create C project in KDevelop 4?
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18:37.55cb400fEGD: /j #kdevelop
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18:38.40EGDcb400f, true
18:38.50edgyTorch: sorry I was away. yes my problem is fixed now
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18:39.01edgyTorch: thanks for your care
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19:26.58foormeai'm using kubuntu on an eeepc 1201n that has ION chipset. i have no sound when playing a movie with vlc or mplayer, but i have sound when using dragon player. apparently it's related to pulseaudio, as i get this error message with mplayer: AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused
19:27.43foormeain system settings/multimedia, i see the following 'devices': hda nvidia (alc269 analog) ; hda nvidia, nvidia hdmi (hdmi audio output) ; pulseaudio
19:27.56foormeawhen trying the sound on pulseaudio, i get a message that says that pulseaudio doesn't work
19:28.30spectralask in #kubuntu on how to get access to pulseaudio.. your  user must be in some special group for that most likely..
19:28.42foormeamplayer -ao alsa doesn't give any sound
19:28.44foormeaspectral: ok
19:29.13foormeaanyway, shouldn't there be no pulseaudio on my system? i thought kde comes with arts, which replaces pulseaudio?
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19:31.13spectraleh artsd is deprecated since 4.x
19:31.43foormeaoh ok. i know pretty much nothing about sound
19:31.46foormea:0
19:31.48foormea:)
19:32.02spectralyes it's a bit of a cluster*beep* in linux
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19:34.42mbanawhy doesn't konsole use SHIFT+<ARROW> for moving to different tabs
19:34.46mbanait's highly annoying
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19:34.55spectralit does
19:37.52zhickit does for me as well
19:39.10troymbana: it does here too (kde 4.4)
19:39.21troymbana: maybe your distro changed something ?
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19:40.24mbanasorry, inverse
19:40.30mbanawhy does it do that
19:40.47mbanacounter-intuitive
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19:43.55spectralconfigure shortcuts?
19:44.41troymbana: well, normally shift+arrow is reserved for text selection, but on a console this doesn't happen - so we simply borrowed the shortcut
19:44.50troymbana: what would you consider the intuitive way?
19:45.03spectralctrl+tab for me would be intuitive
19:45.20spectralor ctrl+shift+tab for the opposite direction..
19:45.44troyctrl-tab already means something in kde, last I checked
19:45.52troyoh, maybe it used to
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19:46.08troyin kde 1.x, it was mapped to switch desktops - I wonder when that stopped...
19:46.16troydoesn't use virtual desktops
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19:49.54mbanatroy: i use emacs in the console
19:50.11JohnWelbornIf I want to modify the default kde window behavior for new users, where can I find that config file? Specifically "System Settings->Window Behavior->Window Actions->Modifier Key"
19:50.52troymbana: ah - having never once used emacs, it wouldn't have occurred to me :)
19:50.52spectralusing emacs is counter intuitive
19:51.08troyuses kate since 2.x, and vi before that
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19:55.06TorchJohnWelborn: alt is the default
19:55.13TorchJohnWelborn: so if there is no config kwin uses alt.
19:55.33TorchJohnWelborn: in your case you could add a kwinrc to /etc/skel with meta as command key
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19:58.47JohnWelbornTorch: so that would be the CommandAllKey line in my kwinrc that needs to go into /etc/skel/kwinrc?
19:58.58troyJohnWelborn: there's default settings in /usr/share/kde4/config or similar, depending on where your distro installs it
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19:59.05TorchJohnWelborn: you need a) the file b) the section c) the setting
19:59.15TorchJohnWelborn: and it's etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
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19:59.27Torchtroy: ah, good point
20:00.01troythose are the systemwide defaults, which don't require installing from skel or similar to take effect
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20:00.22JohnWelborntroy: using Foresight, I don't see it in that location
20:01.28TorchJohnWelborn: $ kde4-config --install config
20:02.18JohnWelbornTorch: /etc/kde4 , but I don't see a config or kwinrc in there
20:02.30troyyeah, create a kwinrc there - copy the one from your userdir to use as a template if you want
20:02.32TorchJohnWelborn: create it, then
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20:02.57troykde evaluates the system kwinrc before the user kwinrc, so the user kwinrc can override defaults
20:03.06JohnWelbornTorch: troy: Thanks!
20:03.23troybut you can use $ signs to set certain settings as immutable if you don't want users to be able to change them
20:03.42JohnWelborntroy: good to know, thanks
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20:19.43aliendude3500Why the heck is the Desktop a folder by default? How can I change that?
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20:21.19sreicheither plasma toolbox->desktop settings, or right click
20:21.55sreichit's probably the default because it's better. as opposed to that ol' method from decades ago ;-)
20:22.13aliendude3500is new to KDE, where can I find the plasma toolbox? Is it the thing on the right of the folder?
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20:27.21aliendude3500gah! This is so confusing! How can anyone use KDE? :(
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20:30.05sreichaliendude3500: calm down, it isn't *that* confusing. it just takes some getting used to, as does anything new...
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20:30.26sreichaliendude3500: most tend to call it the "cashew".
20:30.28devilsadvocatealiendude3500, the desktop has always been a folder ...
20:30.40sreichshould be at the top-right of the screen, depending.
20:30.50aliendude3500I still have a floating folder as my Desktop. I just want icons like in GNOME.
20:30.52devilsadvocatealiendude3500, always, on all operating systems i've ever used
20:31.06sreichdevilsadvocate: hm...maybe I misunderstood his question? :D
20:31.15sreichor read into it too much?
20:31.36devilsadvocatealiendude3500, the right click on the desktop, desktop settings, type -> folder view
20:31.57aliendude3500...Desktop Activity settings?
20:31.57devilsadvocatesreich, probably got used to defending the folder view paradigm :D
20:32.07aliendude3500There is no "Desktop Settings"
20:32.12sreichdevilsadvocate: hehe
20:32.15devilsadvocatealiendude3500, no, desktop settings, where you change wallpapers and stuff
20:32.16sreichaliendude3500: same thing
20:32.41devilsadvocateor maybe they're the same thing
20:32.49aliendude3500oh my god... that was so hidden... 0.o
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20:33.01devilsadvocate:\
20:33.16kdepepoaliendude3500, where would you expect that setting
20:33.16devilsadvocatealiendude3500, thats like 3 clicks
20:33.31aliendude3500Desktop Activity Settings > Activity > Type > Folder View... just to make my desktop not floating? Dang...
20:33.59devilsadvocateis this desktop activity settings something new?
20:34.05devilsadvocatejust has desktop settings
20:34.13kdepepodevilsadvocate, 4.4
20:34.14Torchdevilsadvocate: brushed up in 4.4
20:34.17aliendude3500It's not logically located. I would've NEVER guessed to look there. Usually, I can just work with any environment and find someting based on where I expect it to be... not so much in KDE. It's so different.
20:34.19devilsadvocateah
20:34.40kdepepoaliendude3500, this doesn't answer where you would expect it
20:35.34mbanahow do i turn off the sounds
20:35.36mbanait's annoying
20:36.04kdepepombana, login sound?
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20:36.38mbanakdepepo: no every sound
20:36.51devilsadvocatembana, mute your speakers? :\
20:37.00mbanait makes a sound when i open a tab in chrome
20:37.01mbanaetc.
20:37.08mbanait's not specific to chrome
20:37.10kdepepombana, chrome is no KDE app.
20:37.29kdepepombana, are you using compiz?
20:37.31Torchmbana: system settings -> notifications -> player settings -> no audio output
20:37.35devilsadvocatembana, chrome, firefox and pidgin on *buntu?
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20:37.39mbanakdepepo: yes compiz
20:37.49kdepepombana, maybe your compiz makes noise...
20:39.57mbanakdepepo: how did u figure that
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20:41.24KnuthyHi
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20:44.00Torchhi Knuthy
20:44.16QwertyMCan I apply transparency to the kwin decoration parts of windows alone?
20:45.20mbana?
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20:48.45Half-LeftQwertyM: If you mean the buttons then no.
20:49.03kdepepoQwertyM, systemsettings > Desktop > Effects > All Effects > Translucency
20:49.51kdepepoHalf-Left, both Aurorae and deKorator support ARGB themes.
20:50.02Half-LeftYep
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20:51.59Half-Leftkdepepo: But I think the question was about just the window frame and not the buttons.Desktop Effects just make the whole frame translucent, even the buttons on it
20:52.15mbanakdepepo: how did u figure that
20:52.29kdepepombana, what?
20:52.39mbanambana, are you using compiz?
20:53.06kdepepombana, was that your problem with sounds? :)
20:53.13mbanayes
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20:53.32kdepepombana, well, KDE does not make annoying sounds, so it had to be some non KDE stuff...
20:54.31kdepepoHalf-Left, the question was about the "decoration part" of the window, not "parts of decorations".
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20:55.56kdepepoHalf-Left, there is transparency in the KWin menu, but that affects whole window, and people often don't know about the separate translucency plugin.
20:56.10Half-LeftThe person hasn't answered anyway
20:56.43kdepepohe is speechless about all the options offered there ;)
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20:57.23Half-LeftProbably :p
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20:58.24Computerdo you think that Amarok and KDE would work okay on a computer with an AMD Duron 750Mhz and 384MB of RAM?
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20:58.42Computeror should i go with something less fancy
20:59.18Half-LeftComputer: That would be a struggle I think
20:59.33kdepepoIf you dont run anything else, it should work.
20:59.44Half-Leftbut slowish
21:00.26kdepepoyou should disable KWin compositing, Nepomuk, and all Akonadi stuff.
21:00.36Half-Left512mb of ram is recommended
21:00.37kdepepoThose are the biggest memory killers
21:01.43Computerthis is useful information, kdepepo
21:01.58Half-LeftAmarok2 can use 60mb+ so that's why more than any of thoses
21:02.06Half-Leftway*
21:04.27kdepepoI sometimes boot with 256 MB memory limit (kernel option), and a basic KDE desktop still works. That would leave some 100+ free for Amarok.
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21:12.25deeverhi
21:12.37deeverhttp://filebin.ca/dcvwhy
21:12.56deeverwhy does kaffeine not start or even crash?
21:14.46thrice`deever, can you paste "ldd /usr/bin/kaffiene" ?
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21:15.24thrice`(not in here, but to pastebin.ca)
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21:16.07kdepepomaybe delete kaffeinerc... it looks like it crashes when reading that file.
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21:20.34QwertyMkdepepo: perfect, thanks
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21:23.02deeverthrice`: http://pastebin.com/d281945d5
21:23.30lxsameer_hi , how can i make a service menu for KDE , and bind it to a mime type
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21:24.48rindolfHi all!
21:24.59rindolfhttp://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7616 - I reported this bug in Qt today that affects VLC - can anyone reproduce it with qt-4.6.1 on Linux/Unix?
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21:27.59mahoutsukaiHi all! Does anybody know where the certificate management (e.g. for SSL certificates in Konqueror) has gone? I don't see it in system settings.
21:28.49Kolialxsameer_: have you checked on techbase.kde.org ?
21:29.14thrice`rindolf, does mandiva use a vanilla qt pull, or patched?
21:29.19lxsameer_Kolia: no , but i'll do that thanks
21:29.29rindolfthrice`: patched.
21:30.33thrice`you've verified with vanilla qt?
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21:32.10jillsmittis there firewall with qt-based interface?
21:32.34jillsmittmaybe iptables gui
21:34.45rindolfthrice`: no, not yet.
21:34.52Half-Leftjillsmitt: Try kde-apps.org
21:35.31thrice`rindolf, ok, so - you have qt issues with mandriva's hacked version of qt? o-O
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21:36.46rindolfthrice`: don't know.
21:36.46rindolfthrice`: may be it's global to Qt.
21:36.57rindolfAlmost every distribution has some downstream patches.
21:37.08pinotreerindolf: #qt
21:37.18rindolfpinotree: I'm already there.
21:37.26pinotreegood
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21:37.55thrice`rindolf, I disagree quite a bit with that.  patching the toolkits is not a regular practice
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21:51.22nv4Philquestion... in kde3.5 I used to be able to load programs with "aoss ?????" to solve the problem of processes hogging the sound system, and not allowing eachother to emit sound ... but once I moved to kde4, I am back to the same problem.
21:51.23nv4PhilIf I load, say... audacious... and listen to some music, I can't load firefox or opera and run youtube and get sound, without first closing audacious and restarting firefox. and vice versa.... what gives, here?
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21:53.00Tm_Tnv4Phil: that has nothing to do with KDE though (:
21:53.40nv4PhilTm_T: then, what might be my problem? I thought it was something about the way kde handled sound, my bad...
21:53.58thrice`flash is unique.  what about audacious and amarok ?
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21:54.54nv4PhilI havent tried amarok before... I'm loading it now, will test and see
21:55.06Tm_Tit all depends on device, drivers, what engine you are using (alsa/oss), possibly services like pulseaudio...
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21:55.42thrice`I might be off, but I thought flash used some nasty oss-type output
21:56.33Tm_Tit does use old-style oss
21:56.45nv4Philamarok just *totally* crashed on me, when attempting to add something to a playlist... so... I probably won't use amarok
21:57.03thrice`well, anything else that will surely uise alsa? :)
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21:57.05Tm_Tand that doesn't play nicely with alsa unless you have something that supports multiple audio sources
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21:57.54nv4PhilTm_T: in kde35 I used to be able to select from various engines, but how do I do that in kde4?
21:58.13nv4PhilI don't see anywhere to tell it alsa, oss, or anything like that
21:59.21Half-Leftnv4Phil: It's done in systemsettings>Multimedia
21:59.24Tm_Tnv4Phil: in your multimedia settings, there you can select device, that's also how you choose between alsa and oss
21:59.45nv4Philand come to think of it, I also do not have any clue how to modify the items in the K menu to make them use those backends by running aoss or such... Used to be able to right click on the program and hit edit or something like that in kde35... I forget. but it wont let me do that in kde4
22:01.19nv4Philfor backend, I see only a choice of gstreamer or xine... no oss, alsa, enlightened sound daemon (was that it?) or such...
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22:01.54Half-LeftThose backends use Alsa or OSS
22:03.12nv4Philwell I've changed them before and not had any change in my problems... still have the same issue... one program hogs the sound from everything else on the system, and I have to kill that program and restart whatever else I wanted sound in, to get sound working again.
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22:04.18nv4PhilI've been doing it this way for several months, and it's getting on my nerves :-/ ... I didn't have to do that in kde35... I just told each program to start using aoss ... I seem to not have that ability anymore
22:04.34Half-Leftnv4Phil: That would only happen if you have some other daemon running since all new KDE4 apps use Phonon and don't fight for sound
22:05.13Half-LeftOr maybe Pulse Audio
22:05.16nv4Philwhat are you calling "new kde4 apps" ... the apps I am using aren't built by kde
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22:05.55Half-LeftAny app that doesn't use Phonon my interfere
22:05.55troythen, unless KDE is hogging the device (which it shouldn't), it doesn't seen to be a kde problem *shrug*
22:06.01aseigonv4Phil: kde doesn't manage the sound.
22:06.24aseigonv4Phil: kde 4 apps use phonon which uses whatever the system itself is configured for
22:06.41aseigonv4Phil: unfortunately for all of us, some of those systems are not particularly ... good. but, yes, not something we can do much about
22:06.55aseigonv4Phil: in kde 3 days, we used to ship our own sound server (arts) which did manage the sound
22:07.24nv4Philhrm... that's interesting... so I suppose I should take my question to a linux support channel then? I thought it was still managed by kde and using artsd
22:07.35aseigonv4Phil: this caused "but i can't access my sound card from app $FOO" issues for some people, and we didn't have the manpower to keep maintaining our own sound infrastructure separate from the operating system's own systems
22:08.01aseigonv4Phil: artsd is kde3; we moved away from that in kde4. look in system settings to see what the media system is configured to used
22:08.05troynv4Phil: arts gave everyone headaches, and was overkill for playing simple sounds (arts was designed to be a real mixer)
22:08.22Half-LeftHens, no sound daemon for KDE4 :)
22:08.49troyaseigo: we really missed you for karaoke at Camp KDE :/
22:08.58aseigonv4Phil: it should be listed in the multimedia control panel ;you can open the run command window (alt+f2) and type "multimedia" even :)
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22:10.06nv4PhilAlt+F2 just solved half of my headaches... I didn't know where in the hell the command window was, in kde4. in kde35 I could load it through the k menu... in kde4 I don't see that option
22:10.30nv4Philso, I guess I need to take my sound questions to #slackware
22:10.48troynv4Phil: the ##slackware folks are quite friendly :)
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22:11.23troynv4Phil: sound works perfectly for me out of the box on slackware-current64, so it might be that you're just missing some package(s)
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22:12.10nv4PhilI'm using slack on a 32bit machine. but I didnt think there were different packages?
22:12.17nv4Philmust *be* differences.
22:12.54troynv4Phil: well, it works for most other people out of the box as well *shrug*(
22:15.28nv4Philah who knows... nothing has ever worked for me, oobe, I dunno why
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22:16.33troynv4Phil: well, but ##slackware a bit - they're usually helpful, and know more about the underlying components than I do :)
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22:16.49nv4Philok.
22:16.57nv4Philthanks guys.
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22:34.59SmatZouch... someonetranslated "Output Search" to czech as "Output of Search"
22:35.06deeverthrice`: ?
22:35.28SmatZmakes no sense :-/
22:35.35SmatZ(in Konsole)
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22:35.54pinotreeSmatZ: https://bugs.kde.org, i18n/cs ;)
22:36.11SmatZpinotree: thanks :)
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22:39.10pinotreeSmatZ: even those small bits help kde!
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22:58.27SmatZpinotree: nice to see you care about details ;) anyway, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224259
22:59.09pinotreeSmatZ: reassigned to the correct team, thanks!
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22:59.59SmatZpinotree: thanks for support :)
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23:24.47troyhey, so my screen keeps on blanking on me, and I want it to stop - I've found at least two places in kde that keep such settings, and changing either of them didn't help
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23:25.01troyfirst place: System Settings->Display; second place System Settings->Power Managerment
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23:27.15Torchtroy: screen saver is also off?
23:27.37troyTorch: yep
23:27.51troymaybe I have xscreensaver running in the background or something :)
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23:28.13Torchtroy: you're not the first with that particular problem, but usually it's powerdevil
23:28.26Torchtroy: if you have that off, i'm not sure... maybe xscreensaver, yes.
23:28.46troyI told powerdevil not to touch my screen
23:28.56troyand it's blanking the screen, not powering it off
23:30.07Torchtroy: log in via ssh and check what's going on ;-)
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23:30.27troyTorch: can't that machine is a non-networked machine :) it's connected to my tv
23:30.43Torchtroy: ahh, sucks.
23:30.51troyTorch: I just use it for amarok and dvd's, mostly
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23:35.18marcosRzhow do I sort the kde menu by app name?
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23:37.56JucatomarcosRz: right-click on K Menu icon -> Application Launcher Settings -> Show Applications by name
23:38.10marcosRzbut it doesn sort
23:38.12marcosRz:(
23:38.18marcosRzI want it to be sorted
23:38.22marcosRzfor isntance
23:38.47marcosRzAmarok is under Kmix
23:38.55marcosRzKmix - Audio ...
23:39.01marcosRzAmarok - Multimedia Player
23:39.03Jucatohm? mine's sorted
23:39.11marcosRzmines not
23:39.48Jucatodid you edit the menu at one point? (using the menu editor)
23:39.56marcosRzno
23:40.09Jucatoweird
23:40.16marcosRzQt: 4.5.2
23:40.17marcosRzKDE: 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2)
23:40.19marcosRzkde4-config: 1.0
23:40.21marcosRzmaybe is that?
23:41.27Jucatomaybe. though I can't really say. would be a good idea to update to the latest stable version (4.3.4)
23:41.54marcosRzits weird
23:41.56marcosRz:(
23:42.03marcosRzI hate a bunch of kde defaults behavior
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23:42.07marcosRzlike "description"
23:42.11marcosRzand one click mouse
23:42.15marcosRzthis should be baned XD
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23:48.59marcosRzone of the things
23:49.03marcosRzthat I would l\ove to see
23:49.11marcosRzis a decent kde browser
23:49.41TorchmarcosRz: please don't use newline as interpunctuation. makes the channel hard to read for everyone.
23:49.49marcosRzsure
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23:50.04marcosRzI've tried all "kde-qt" browsers :'(
23:50.14marcosRzNone of them compares to firefox/chromium
23:50.52kdepepomarcosRz, because of missing plugins?
23:51.11marcosRzno, because they don't have any "modern" features
23:51.22marcosRzfor example konqueror doesnt work right with any web 2.0 website
23:51.31marcosRzarora is quite fast but doesnt have plugins
23:51.34marcosRzthe same goes for rekonq
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23:51.56marcosRzkonqueror actually crashes a lot here on pure html websites :(
23:52.35kdepepomarcosRz, with JavaScript and Flash disabled I get no crashes (KDE trunk)
23:53.04marcosRzwith JavaScript and Flash disabled you are on 1995 web
23:53.10marcosRztimemachine \o/
23:53.14kdepepoyou said "pure html"
23:53.31marcosRzactually I do get :) here on konqueror 4.3.4
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23:53.44kdepepourl?
23:53.47thrice`just about every webkit browser I try crashes regularly
23:53.49marcosRzI've even submitted a bug
23:53.59marcosRzand it had about other 100 "me too"
23:54.04marcosRzkdepepo: let me remember
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23:54.12marcosRzI've the url in my gmail
23:54.16marcosRzgoing to use firefox of course
23:54.46necrodeariaHow can I configure windows to appear on the panel only for the desktop it belongs to and not all desktops?
23:55.02loonyphoenixHi everybody!
23:55.19loonyphoenixI'm wondering if KIO is making use of ionice
23:55.30Torchnecrodearia: right click on the task manager -> only show tasks from the current desktop
23:55.35Torchnecrodearia: err..
23:55.48marcosRzhttps://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=1qygpcgurkovy
23:55.49Torchnecrodearia: right click on the task manager -> task manager settings -> only show tasks from the current desktop
23:55.50marcosRzopz
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23:56.15necrodeariahmm, I'm new to kde environment.  Where do I access the task manager?
23:56.15marcosRzhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208397
23:56.15troyloonyphoenix: that's a good question
23:56.41Torchnecrodearia: the task manager is the part of the panel that shows the windows.
23:56.51loonyphoenixtroy: I would like to make KIO use idle ionice, if it doesn't... but I couldn't find any info on the internet
23:56.57troyloonyphoenix: might want to ask in #kde-devel - be polite, they're in the middle of a utf8 discussion :)
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23:57.20loonyphoenixtroy: thanks, I'll do that :)
23:57.21troynecrodearia: CTRL-ESC
23:57.32necrodeariaaha!
23:57.48Torchtroy: huh?
23:57.55troyit's a nice task manager, if I must say so myself :)
23:58.09troyI'm particular fond of the tree-view sorting
23:58.10Torchtroy: did i miss something? we're not looking for the process manager.
23:58.31troyTorch: in windows speak, that is the task manager :)
23:58.38Torchtroy: hehe.
23:58.56troyoh, wait - I misinterpreted his question - should have scrolled up more
23:59.04troyhe wants to change the task bar settings
23:59.04Torchtroy: oh, really ;-))
23:59.10Torchtroy: oh... really? ;-))
23:59.22troyyes, really! don't give me that lip :P
23:59.33Torchtroy: still a nice process... err... task manager we have there ;-)
23:59.53Torchnecrodearia: did you find the settings dialog?

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