| 00:00.07 | sreich | yes it is.. |
| 00:00.24 | cleary_ | tell me about it :) |
| 00:00.41 | cleary_ | did you drag straight off the image preview in ksnapshot? or did you save it first |
| 00:00.47 | Erthe | Though, even in Konversation my one KDE bug still haunts me. |
| 00:00.56 | Erthe | Uh, I saved it. |
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| 00:01.04 | cleary_ | no need |
| 00:01.04 | Erthe | So you're saying... |
| 00:01.06 | Erthe | hmmm... |
| 00:01.25 | Roasted | how do I get firefox to be my default? |
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| 00:01.35 | daredevilfury | Erthe whats the bug that keeps bothering you? |
| 00:01.38 | Roasted | nevermind |
| 00:01.41 | cleary_ | Erthe: read the link above |
| 00:01.46 | Erthe | http://imagebin.ca/view/d_DJSeG.html |
| 00:01.48 | Erthe | Nice. |
| 00:02.01 | Erthe | daredevilfury: Umm, it has to do with krunner or kfmclient, I haven't figured out which yet. |
| 00:02.19 | daredevilfury | hmm..k |
| 00:02.32 | Erthe | When I click on a link in Konversation, Kmail or use a web shortcut in krunner, my URL becomes: |
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| 00:02.53 | Erthe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.55 | daredevilfury | Ah yes, that annoys me as well! |
| 00:02.56 | Erthe | When Konqueror loads. |
| 00:03.11 | Erthe | Not the URL the content was found at. |
| 00:03.14 | Erthe | It's really *really* annoying |
| 00:03.37 | daredevilfury | From what i gather it downloads a copy of the webpage to tmp and then loads it with konquerer... |
| 00:03.54 | Erthe | Yes. |
| 00:04.00 | Erthe | But I don't know how to fix that behaviour. |
| 00:04.10 | Erthe | Others using my version of Kubuntu and KDE don't experience it. |
| 00:04.15 | daredevilfury | haha yes, i've been looking for a fix too... |
| 00:04.19 | Erthe | So I figure it has to be a KDE configuration issue that I have yet to find. |
| 00:04.53 | Erthe | Hell, I'd change the code and recompile to make this work if I could understand the process by which it occurs. |
| 00:05.37 | daredevilfury | hmm...i think i might have found a fix |
| 00:06.57 | Erthe | How did you fix it? |
| 00:07.00 | Erthe | TELL ME! :D |
| 00:07.08 | daredevilfury | Erthe - I fixed it by switching to "in an application based on [....] " under System Settings->default apps->web browser |
| 00:07.50 | daredevilfury | (: |
| 00:08.06 | Erthe | o m g |
| 00:08.14 | Erthe | You are a hero. |
| 00:08.16 | Erthe | To me. |
| 00:08.18 | Erthe | :D |
| 00:08.22 | daredevilfury | haha |
| 00:08.35 | Erthe | Now I have to wonder why the other behaviour was the default. |
| 00:09.05 | Roasted | Is there any way I can customize more shortcuts for my keyboard? I'm at the menu now but it doesn't look like I can bind keys for show desktop, maximize window, etc |
| 00:09.14 | daredevilfury | no idea abt that...actually i found it more useful to just switch from konqbrowser to chromium/firefox |
| 00:09.49 | daredevilfury | Roasted it should be under System Settings->Keyboard and mouse |
| 00:09.56 | Erthe | I only use Firefox when accessing a site that requires it or when I'm working. |
| 00:10.08 | daredevilfury | Roasted: look under Standard & Global Keyboard shortcut |
| 00:10.23 | Erthe | Roasted: Bear in mind there are global shortcuts and application shortcuts |
| 00:10.35 | daredevilfury | Oh ok..i stick with chromium almost all the time so yup... |
| 00:10.45 | Roasted | Erthe - oh I know. I looked under each one. |
| 00:11.19 | daredevilfury | Its under Kwin |
| 00:11.25 | daredevilfury | in global |
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| 00:13.41 | Erthe | Roasted: Was there an upgrade for KDE for you? Just wondering since you had asked. |
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| 00:15.32 | Roasted | Erthe - I'm not sure. to be honest. I did grab some updates but I didn't take note if any were with KDE or not. |
| 00:16.05 | Roasted | This spacer thing in the panel is pissing me off. |
| 00:16.14 | Roasted | Why not just make it so you can dump them anywhere instead of having to fk around with it |
| 00:17.42 | Erthe | Well the spacer is designed to solve the problem. |
| 00:17.45 | gigasoft | my taskbar does not close closed programs, they are still there, is there solution for this bug? |
| 00:17.48 | daredevilfury | Roasted - You can check if kde was upgraded by something like "cat /var/log/aptitude | grep kde" keeping in mind how kubuntu labels its packages of course.. |
| 00:18.23 | Roasted | Erthe - but why have a spacer at ALL? I hate to sound all gnome praising here but things just make sense to, oh... drag...drop...lock... done. Win. |
| 00:19.56 | Erthe | I agree that it would be easier to absolutely position the widget if you wanted it to exist in a specific location, but bear something else in mind.. |
| 00:20.05 | Erthe | All the widgets you can add to a panel can be added to the desktop. |
| 00:20.18 | Erthe | You can shrink the panel and put the clock to the right side of it. |
| 00:20.28 | Erthe | Widgets on the desktop are absolutely positioned. |
| 00:20.48 | Roasted | Another thing that peeving me - I want to have a system monitor at the top panel. But each one available from the widgets menu is very small and nearly unusable. Is there any that... doesn't... suck? |
| 00:21.31 | Erthe | When you are in the Add Widgets dialog, click on Install New Widgets |
| 00:21.39 | Erthe | You can download them in that interface as well. |
| 00:21.57 | Erthe | But... if you put anything in the panel, it has to conform to the size of the panel unfortunately. |
| 00:22.06 | Erthe | You can resize panels too, though. |
| 00:22.23 | Erthe | Panels aren't necessary in KDE 4, keep that in mind. |
| 00:22.31 | Roasted | I know, but I like having 1 panel. |
| 00:22.36 | Erthe | *nods* |
| 00:22.39 | Roasted | In Gnome land I run the top panel + a dock. I'm doing the same here. |
| 00:22.44 | Roasted | At least - I'm attempting to do the same here. |
| 00:23.23 | gigasoft | my taskbar does not close closed programs, they are still there, is there solution for this bug? |
| 00:24.03 | daredevilfury | gigasoft - is this a problem with every single application, or some specific ones? i remember having the same problem, but only with azureus/vuze.. |
| 00:24.05 | Erthe | Roasted: I actually use a panel that auto-hides on the side of my screen for system information. |
| 00:24.19 | Roasted | do you use a dock? |
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| 00:24.43 | Erthe | I have a panel at the bottom for task management, system tray, pager, lock/logout that's always visible. |
| 00:24.58 | gigasoft | daredevilfury> i do not know, sometimes skype, dolphin, firefox |
| 00:25.01 | Erthe | At the top I have applications in a panel that auto-hides (plus a launcher) |
| 00:25.09 | Erthe | On the right RSS feeds, on the left system information |
| 00:25.20 | Erthe | The only panel that doesn't auto-hide is at the bottom. |
| 00:25.28 | gigasoft | is there a way to restart kde-enviroment |
| 00:25.41 | Erthe | gigasoft: I've seen this bug. |
| 00:25.46 | gigasoft | :) |
| 00:25.54 | gigasoft | and,,,,,, |
| 00:25.57 | Erthe | gigasoft: Once or twice, anyway. What you can do is remove the task manager from that panel, then add it again. |
| 00:26.08 | Erthe | gigasoft: It'll display the running apps properly again. |
| 00:26.16 | gigasoft | ok |
| 00:27.42 | gigasoft | <Erthe>and that is it, man thanks |
| 00:28.03 | Erthe | Roasted: I know some things in KDE may seem unusual to you in how they function, but it does take time to become accustomed to how KDE solves issues. |
| 00:28.19 | Erthe | gigasoft: np |
| 00:28.27 | Erthe | gigasoft: And I agree that bug is annoying :D |
| 00:29.04 | Roasted | Erthe - I understand. There's just a few small things that are kind of "duh" that isn't quite there in KDE that I'm seeing. But I'm sure I'll get in the swing of things. |
| 00:29.21 | gigasoft | <Erthe> :) |
| 00:29.27 | Erthe | I would play with plasmoids on the desktop directly instead of in the panel. |
| 00:30.01 | Roasted | I hate to sound like wah wah wah, but I want it in the panel.... |
| 00:30.07 | Erthe | LOL |
| 00:30.12 | Erthe | It's all good man :D |
| 00:30.28 | Roasted | auto hide dock for quick launching of apps + managing open apps, top panel for shut down, menu, and system monitor |
| 00:30.31 | Erthe | I really don't like that I can't seem to get rid of the plasma workspace button at the top right. |
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| 00:32.17 | daredevilfury | Erthe - You can drag it around, but I think you can't get rid of it because some settings etc can only be accessed via that button.. |
| 00:32.37 | daredevilfury | eg in kde 4.3 the setting to separate widget layer and desktop |
| 00:34.02 | Erthe | The only function in that menu that differs from right-clicking the plasma desktop is zooming out |
| 00:34.13 | Erthe | And I don't use any other workspaces. |
| 00:34.19 | Erthe | Just the one, with 8 desktops. |
| 00:35.23 | daredevilfury | You can access some settings (including the one imentioned earlier) after using the zoom out only...i guess it'd make sense to include zoom out in the normal right click menu too and do away with the button |
| 00:35.28 | Erthe | And I'm sure I could globally bind zooming out. |
| 00:35.47 | Erthe | (To a shortcut) |
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| 00:36.21 | Erthe | I must admit, I don't quite understand the point of having additional workspaces yet. |
| 00:36.30 | Erthe | But it's nice that it's there if I want it. |
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| 00:37.13 | daredevilfury | agree with you on that one |
| 00:37.55 | Erthe | Especially considering it contains the same panel configuration as the other workspaces (not plasmoids though) |
| 00:38.39 | daredevilfury | i think you can have separate panels for them starting kde 4.2..but i might be wrong |
| 00:42.03 | Roasted | Erthe - whats this thing when I move my mouse to the upper left corner and it spans out things gnome-shell style? |
| 00:42.37 | Erthe | You can create workspaces (which is what dared and I were just talking about) |
| 00:42.55 | Erthe | Each workspace has a different plasmoid configuration, though I'm pretty sure panels are global. |
| 00:43.05 | Roasted | Erthe - but it minimizes my Xchat and Firefox out and I can select them accordingly to be the active window. |
| 00:43.12 | Roasted | erthe - I just thought it was a gnome shell thing. |
| 00:43.17 | Roasted | its interesting to see it on KDE (already) |
| 00:43.25 | Erthe | Been here for a while. |
| 00:43.32 | Roasted | well hot dam |
| 00:43.39 | Erthe | When you click on that, it minimizes everything that isn't a plasmoid. |
| 00:43.44 | Roasted | only thing is its kind of sensitive to initiate it. |
| 00:43.48 | Roasted | can I edit it somehow? |
| 00:44.05 | Erthe | Top left you said? |
| 00:44.11 | Erthe | Mine defaulted to top right. |
| 00:44.12 | Erthe | Strange. |
| 00:44.18 | Roasted | yeah. Its like right where the K button is. |
| 00:44.23 | Roasted | I also have my panel at the top too |
| 00:44.26 | Roasted | if that matters |
| 00:44.35 | daredevilfury | I think you can configure under System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Edges |
| 00:44.47 | Roasted | Id just like to move it so its not right by the K bottom |
| 00:44.49 | Roasted | button* |
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| 00:45.03 | daredevilfury | thats under screen edges too |
| 00:45.03 | Erthe | When your widgets are unlocked you can just drag it around. |
| 00:45.22 | Erthe | (If it's the plasma desktop menu, at any rate) |
| 00:45.35 | daredevilfury | Erthe - its not related to the cashew at the edge ;) |
| 00:45.48 | Erthe | Oh? |
| 00:45.57 | Roasted | daredevilfury - very nice! |
| 00:46.42 | Erthe | Oohhhhhh |
| 00:46.44 | Erthe | OK |
| 00:46.48 | Erthe | I see what you're talking about now :D |
| 00:46.52 | daredevilfury | (: |
| 00:46.57 | Erthe | I actually never used it. |
| 00:47.16 | daredevilfury | I use the feature, just from the keyboard bindings... |
| 00:47.31 | Erthe | Well, yes, I use Present Windows with Alt-Tab |
| 00:47.48 | Roasted | man its hard to resist formatting and dumping kubuntu on my rig :/ |
| 00:48.04 | Erthe | Do you have it running in a more stable fashion now? |
| 00:48.16 | Roasted | erthe - its been fine since IVe been here talking to ya |
| 00:48.23 | Erthe | Nice. |
| 00:48.29 | Roasted | erthe - to be honest Ive tried to beat it around a bit too by opening 400 apps at once and such. |
| 00:48.50 | Roasted | its just kind of funny cause I was seeing gnome shell and its like aww yeahhh new thing window management aww yeahhhh etc |
| 00:48.54 | daredevilfury | Roasted - Why not try it on another distro? I've been hearing a lot of incompatibility issues with 9.10 releases of *buntu |
| 00:48.56 | Roasted | then I come to kde chat and erthe is like |
| 00:49.00 | Roasted | oh yeah been here for a while |
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| 00:49.17 | Roasted | daredevilfury - I'd install Kubuntu 9.04 and upgrade to KDE 4.3.2 |
| 00:49.27 | Roasted | Im running Ubuntu 9.04 on my main rig because of 9.10 issues as well. |
| 00:49.32 | daredevilfury | oh... |
| 00:49.42 | Erthe | Karmic needs help, for sure. |
| 00:49.43 | Roasted | I love Karmic tho, I really do |
| 00:49.46 | Roasted | I just wish it detected my HDDs properly |
| 00:49.47 | daredevilfury | btw this stuff has been around for even longer on compiz fusion |
| 00:49.53 | Roasted | what stuff |
| 00:50.02 | daredevilfury | the effects/ present windows |
| 00:50.06 | daredevilfury | etc |
| 00:50.09 | Roasted | Ive never used this exact tool on compiz |
| 00:50.10 | daredevilfury | and a lot more ;) |
| 00:50.20 | Roasted | I only ever do the stupid stuff on compiz, like, ya know, paint with fire, rain, cube spin etc |
| 00:50.27 | daredevilfury | haha |
| 00:50.32 | Erthe | I <3 my desktop cube. |
| 00:50.37 | Roasted | little tip - if your gf is the background of your pc, dont pain her eyes with fire in her presence |
| 00:50.39 | Roasted | bad things happen |
| 00:50.39 | Erthe | (Or Octagon) |
| 00:50.41 | daredevilfury | the show-off stuff to impress friends, yes haha |
| 00:50.45 | Roasted | paint* |
| 00:50.50 | daredevilfury | HAHA |
| 00:50.53 | daredevilfury | can imagine that |
| 00:51.05 | Erthe | I dunno, I like wobbly windows. |
| 00:51.15 | Roasted | so, I have a stupid question for you guys |
| 00:51.16 | Erthe | I wish I could get these desktop effects on my Vista PC at work. |
| 00:51.20 | Erthe | But Aero sucks ass. |
| 00:51.23 | Roasted | compiz is fully compatible with 4.3.2 right? |
| 00:51.24 | Erthe | What's that Roasted? |
| 00:51.29 | daredevilfury | hmmm |
| 00:51.34 | Roasted | cause I keep hearing compiz wont be available in gnome shell |
| 00:51.46 | Erthe | Compiz isn't required, imo |
| 00:51.49 | daredevilfury | Should be, although i dont see any need for it after kwin's composition |
| 00:51.53 | Erthe | Kwin is works just fine. |
| 00:51.59 | Roasted | erthe - I agree, but I just wasnt sure |
| 00:52.16 | Erthe | I'm sure you could run compiz as your wm if you wanted to |
| 00:52.23 | Erthe | I'm not sure if you'd lose anything though |
| 00:52.45 | daredevilfury | there might be probs with zoom out and stuff i think |
| 00:52.58 | Erthe | I'm almost certain it would make plasma-desktop have a fit |
| 00:53.11 | Erthe | Unless plasma-desktop knows how to work with compiz just as well as kwin |
| 00:53.15 | daredevilfury | haha i'd agree |
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| 00:54.12 | lhorace | I want to know, using the mic and want to hear yourself through the speakers is disabled in the latest KDE? |
| 00:54.44 | daredevilfury | you wish to hear yourself after disabling speakers? |
| 00:54.59 | Erthe | lhorace: I'm sure you can configure kmix to do that. |
| 00:55.15 | lhorace | I want to hear myself either through the speakers are from headphone |
| 00:55.35 | lhorace | I have kmix open now, I have all the mic sliders up... |
| 00:56.09 | Erthe | Is your capture volume up too? |
| 00:56.28 | Roasted | erthe - is there any way for my windows to be separated from what workspace theyre in when Im viewing the windows from that corner screen feature thinger jigger? |
| 00:56.39 | daredevilfury | sound is a hellhole on linux...are you on oss btw? or alsa? |
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| 00:57.19 | daredevilfury | Roasted - There's another option you can use in screen edges. (present Windows- all desktops) |
| 00:57.27 | Erthe | Yup. |
| 00:57.39 | Erthe | I setup my task manager to show only from the current desktop too. |
| 01:00.16 | lhorace | My KDE version is 4.3.3 to begin with, I have Master, PCM, Headphones, Speakers, Front Mic Boost, Mic Boost (Capture), Beep, Capture (And capture check box clicked), all of the all the way up. In fedora 10, it was possible, It was prior to 4.3. I think at the time it was 4.1, not entirely sure. On the same PC |
| 01:00.44 | Erthe | lhorace: I unmuted my mic, turned the volume up and I could hear myself in my speakers. |
| 01:01.25 | lhorace | Why can't I do it for me, krecord records fine, it's a builtin Mic |
| 01:01.45 | Erthe | It's related to your capture volume. |
| 01:01.50 | lhorace | I can record and play it back, but won't output to the speakers |
| 01:01.59 | Roasted | I changed my mouse theme cause I hate that fat white mouse cursor thing. But when Im in the system menu navigating, it goes to the fat white thing. When Im on xchat, its the thin black one. How can I make it system wide? |
| 01:02.00 | Erthe | If your capture volume is low, you aren't capturing. |
| 01:02.25 | Erthe | Right beside your mic volume, you should see Mic Boost and Mic Boost (Capture) |
| 01:02.32 | Erthe | Make sure the capture setting is turned up. |
| 01:02.32 | daredevilfury | Enable another option - Front Mic. Max out Front mic first |
| 01:02.38 | Roasted | daredevilfury - I already have it set to present windows - all desktops. But I was curious if there was a way to set it so the windows in desktop 1 were grouped separate from the windows in desktop 2 |
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| 01:03.16 | Erthe | Roasted: I think that's to ensure your pointer is always available and visible reliably. |
| 01:03.26 | daredevilfury | Roasted - As in all windows presented together but grouped by workspace? Don't think thats possible right now.. |
| 01:03.29 | lhorace | Erthe: http://imagebin.ca/view/8LDDvX.html |
| 01:03.39 | lhorace | Erthe: It's a pretty big pic, doh |
| 01:05.05 | Erthe | Oh |
| 01:05.06 | Erthe | Horace |
| 01:05.26 | Erthe | Go to Settings -> Configure Channels |
| 01:05.36 | Erthe | There are probably some channels you aren't seeing enabled there |
| 01:06.28 | Roasted | erthe, daredevilfury - I appreciate your guy's help. I think I'm going to resize my rig's partition so I can devote a 20gb /root to my Kubuntu install and just mount my existing Home partition. |
| 01:06.42 | Erthe | Roasted: Kudos. |
| 01:06.43 | Roasted | that way I can run tri boot - Vista/Ubuntu/Kubuntu and have Ubuntu/Kubuntu share the same home directory. |
| 01:06.59 | Erthe | Fantastic idea. |
| 01:07.00 | Roasted | That way I can tinker with the KDE stuff and reboot to Ubuntu so I can have the server uptime (since backups run most of the night beginning at 2 am) |
| 01:07.17 | daredevilfury | haha sounds fun |
| 01:07.26 | Roasted | damn I love linux |
| 01:07.30 | Roasted | seriously |
| 01:07.38 | Roasted | if it wasn't for linux in general Iw ouldnt even care about IT. |
| 01:07.47 | Erthe | Windows = For Games, Linux = Everything Else |
| 01:07.53 | lhorace | Erthe: I been there, I click to Show, every possible Channel there is |
| 01:08.03 | Roasted | exactly. My main rig is in vista now. Why? I'm playing an online game at the moment. |
| 01:08.06 | Erthe | So you only have those channels? |
| 01:08.10 | Erthe | In that screenshot? |
| 01:08.14 | lhorace | Yup |
| 01:08.20 | Erthe | Ow. |
| 01:08.31 | daredevilfury | Erthe - I haven't booted windows in over a week. ever since i found heroes of newerth to replace Dota. hehe |
| 01:08.39 | Roasted | erthe - one last question - How can I disable the bouncing icon gizmo? |
| 01:08.52 | Erthe | Oh, ya, on the cursor y ou mean? |
| 01:08.53 | lhorace | Erthe: Even in alsamixker, F5 for all, the same |
| 01:08.55 | Roasted | yeah |
| 01:08.58 | Erthe | It's application feedback |
| 01:09.04 | Erthe | I forget, lemme look |
| 01:09.18 | Roasted | thanks brosef |
| 01:09.47 | Erthe | System Settings -> Desktop -> Launch Feedback |
| 01:10.13 | Erthe | I use passive busy cursor at 0 sec |
| 01:11.06 | Roasted | whats that do exactly |
| 01:11.11 | Erthe | daredevilfury: I was playing AoC last night for a little while, but I'm thinking of sticking to console gaming and freeing up another 500GB of hd space |
| 01:11.28 | Erthe | Roasted: Well, when I launch an app, the cursor doesn't change. :) |
| 01:12.05 | daredevilfury | Erthe - Haha i'd do that, except I don't really have space for a console in my dorm room :( |
| 01:12.05 | Erthe | You can set it to no busy cursor too |
| 01:12.15 | Erthe | daredevilfury: touche :D |
| 01:12.16 | Roasted | thats what I set it to |
| 01:12.36 | Erthe | You'll see a busy cursor in apps when they are processing, but you won't see one when you launch an app. |
| 01:12.50 | Erthe | I hated the bloody bouncing icon. |
| 01:12.52 | Erthe | :D |
| 01:13.41 | lmurray | bounces |
| 01:13.50 | Erthe | ;) |
| 01:13.56 | Erthe | You're not an icon! |
| 01:14.02 | daredevilfury | lol |
| 01:14.42 | daredevilfury | k guys i'm off for a bit of sleep before my exams. gnight! (although its alr morning here) |
| 01:14.48 | Erthe | Later dude. |
| 01:15.50 | Roasted | Erthe - if I dual boot Kubuntu and Ubuntu and tie them both to the same home directory, and then install Virtualbox on Kubuntu, would my VMs that were available in Ubuntu be available in Kubuntu? I'm just wondering how friendly the distros are to access the home directory hidden system files/settings beyond the basic music, pictures, etc. |
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| 01:17.33 | Erthe | When you set that up, make sure the user you use in Ubuntu has the same UID in Kubuntu, first of all. |
| 01:17.56 | Erthe | Secondly, if the VMs are in your home directory they'll work. |
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| 01:18.42 | Erthe | You want to avoid having to chown your home directory every time you boot between the two. |
| 01:18.54 | Erthe | So make sure they have the same UID. |
| 01:19.04 | Erthe | (whoami in console to see it) |
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| 01:19.19 | Erthe | Or 'id' rather |
| 01:19.37 | Erthe | I think though that the user you setup when you install will end up with the UID 1000 |
| 01:19.55 | Erthe | Should be the same for both automatically, but be sure to check. |
| 01:20.14 | Erthe | is your home partition a distinct partition? |
| 01:20.24 | Erthe | Or is it part of the / partition? |
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| 01:21.31 | Roasted | no its on its own partition |
| 01:21.33 | Roasted | 20gb root = ubuntu, 380gb = home |
| 01:21.39 | Erthe | Perfect. |
| 01:21.40 | Roasted | I'll resize home to 360 and give kubuntu the same space |
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| 01:22.02 | Erthe | Congratulations on setting up your partitions properly, so few people do that. |
| 01:22.04 | Roasted | so then my HDD will look like: 80gb Vista, 1gb swap, 20gb root ubuntu, 360gb home, 20gb kubuntu |
| 01:22.14 | Roasted | erthe - I learned the hard way :( |
| 01:22.21 | Erthe | Me too. :) |
| 01:22.36 | Roasted | erthe - a new distro comes out enough that it warrants using separate partitions since updating from version to version is as reliable as it is on windows - aka, its not |
| 01:22.48 | aanderse | notice overlapping text: http://imagebin.ca/view/llsAPxM.html |
| 01:22.56 | aanderse | anyone ever have that in konqueror? |
| 01:23.02 | Roasted | it just sucks having to format an entire hdd just to get the new distro on your system. Its hard having to sling over 300gb of personal data |
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| 01:23.39 | Erthe | That's a CSS issue or a CSS rendering issue. |
| 01:23.42 | Erthe | But no, I haven't. |
| 01:24.08 | Roasted | erthe - is there a way to make SURE my system gets the same UID as ubuntu? I have several users on my system for Samba. |
| 01:24.11 | Erthe | Roasted: I agree. My upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 went very smoothly though |
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| 01:24.26 | Erthe | Roasted: You can alter the files in /etc pertaining to the user |
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| 01:24.50 | Roasted | Erthe - I'm sure upgrades work in most cases. I just flat out don't trust them. I work in a Windows environment - so I learned to take many precautions which unfortunately makes me biased against upgrades even with Linux. |
| 01:25.55 | Erthe | Roasted: Well, upgrading Windows destroys all app configuration excepting MS apps |
| 01:26.21 | Roasted | I know - isn't it beautiful? |
| 01:26.22 | Erthe | And that's not because Windows sucks, it's because most application developers don't necessarily follow the correct installation procedures that MS set out. |
| 01:26.35 | Erthe | But... their procedures do involve a ton of extra work. |
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| 01:27.38 | Roasted | I wonder how long it would take for gparted to resize that gizmo. |
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| 01:28.33 | Erthe | Probably not very long. |
| 01:28.33 | Roasted | too bad there's not a full Ubuntu package that includes kde with it :P Be nice to just log out and choose what I want instead of rebooting to tri boot like I plan |
| 01:28.34 | Erthe | Well, actually... |
| 01:28.41 | Erthe | I use GNOME on this system too. |
| 01:28.54 | Erthe | (To keep up to date with it) |
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| 01:28.58 | Erthe | You can install GNOME in Kubuntu, runs just fine |
| 01:29.12 | Erthe | The reason why I choose Kubuntu is that Ubuntu's distro of KDE is antiquated. |
| 01:29.18 | Roasted | ehh... |
| 01:29.24 | Erthe | But I can still use GNOME. |
| 01:29.29 | Roasted | I tried that on here |
| 01:29.31 | Roasted | on this spare rig |
| 01:29.33 | Erthe | I use Enlightenment now and again. |
| 01:29.37 | Roasted | remember how I said I installed kubuntu 3 times on here? |
| 01:29.41 | Roasted | twice was ubuntu + kubuntu desktop |
| 01:29.49 | Roasted | things didn't seem to pan out too well |
| 01:29.58 | Erthe | Hmm. |
| 01:30.01 | Roasted | maybe it's worth doing on my main rig though |
| 01:30.05 | Erthe | What version of gnome do you use? |
| 01:30.12 | Roasted | uh... |
| 01:30.19 | Roasted | whatever 9.04 comes with unless it updated |
| 01:30.23 | Roasted | Im on vista now so I cant really check |
| 01:31.10 | Erthe | Checking mine.. |
| 01:31.36 | Erthe | Gnome libs 1.4.2 |
| 01:32.33 | Roasted | so you have no issues using KDE on your Ubuntu system? |
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| 01:33.12 | Erthe | I use Kubuntu. |
| 01:33.20 | Erthe | Because Ubuntu's official version of KDE is old |
| 01:33.25 | Erthe | I think it's KDE 3 in fact. |
| 01:33.30 | Roasted | yeah |
| 01:33.33 | Erthe | GNOME is the official Ubuntu desktop. |
| 01:33.36 | Roasted | maybe Ill resize and do it that way |
| 01:33.41 | Erthe | But I can run GNOME and Kubuntu. |
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| 01:34.12 | Erthe | The same version is available for Kubuntu anyway, so running Kubuntu is the best bet to have access to all modern desktop environment versions. |
| 01:35.08 | Roasted | do you think gnome will always be the official desktop of ubuntu? |
| 01:35.10 | Erthe | The nice thing about Kubuntu is all of the Ubuntu packages just *work* with it. |
| 01:35.17 | Erthe | Uh, that's hard to say. |
| 01:35.31 | Roasted | well I'm sure ubuntu does that intentionally since so many people use KDE as well as Gnome |
| 01:35.31 | Erthe | Why it's the official desktop is due to a problem which doesn't exist anymore I don't think. |
| 01:35.42 | Erthe | A lot of GNU supporters didn't like the Qt license. |
| 01:35.58 | Roasted | Qt license? |
| 01:36.06 | Erthe | It wasn't always LGPL |
| 01:36.11 | tsimpson | KDE is built on top of Qt |
| 01:36.18 | Roasted | is it LGPL now? |
| 01:36.54 | tsimpson | yep, since nokia took over |
| 01:36.58 | Erthe | Qt GNU LGPL v. 2.1 |
| 01:37.13 | Erthe | So the reasons why GNOME is the default is due to an old gripe. |
| 01:37.14 | Roasted | so it has the exact same license as gnome? |
| 01:37.17 | Erthe | imo |
| 01:38.01 | tsimpson | Gnome was not made default because of it's license |
| 01:38.19 | tsimpson | just because the guy who started Ubuntu happened to prefer Gnome |
| 01:38.27 | Erthe | Figures. |
| 01:38.28 | Roasted | mark shuttleworth?? |
| 01:38.33 | tsimpson | yes |
| 01:38.37 | Roasted | wtf |
| 01:38.40 | Erthe | KDE had been bashed for a long time due to Qt's licensing. |
| 01:38.44 | Roasted | I just read somewhere he prefers kubuntu |
| 01:38.50 | Erthe | haha |
| 01:38.56 | Roasted | seriously - I wish I saved that link |
| 01:39.03 | tsimpson | he has no issues with the Qt license, we shipped KDE long before it was LGPL |
| 01:39.23 | Roasted | I dont understand though. Was Qt's license previously not open source or something? |
| 01:39.32 | Erthe | originally it was a Qt license. |
| 01:39.33 | tsimpson | depends who you ask |
| 01:39.43 | Erthe | It's that it wasn't a GNU license. |
| 01:39.49 | tsimpson | exactly |
| 01:39.59 | Erthe | The license wasn't restrictive really, it just wasn't the GPL |
| 01:40.02 | Erthe | *shrugs* |
| 01:40.11 | tsimpson | GNU don't like anything that isn't L/GPL |
| 01:40.20 | Roasted | so then Nokia, captain phone maker, buys Qt and re-vamps the license? |
| 01:40.33 | Erthe | Well, they just released under the GPL |
| 01:40.34 | tsimpson | it was Qt/GPL before that |
| 01:40.41 | Erthe | Or LGPL rather. |
| 01:40.42 | tsimpson | dual-licenced |
| 01:40.46 | Erthe | Yup. |
| 01:41.19 | Erthe | You can still get a proprietary license for Qt if you want to develop proprietary applications. |
| 01:41.30 | Erthe | But if you build on top of the GPL code you have to release the source. |
| 01:41.36 | Erthe | Nokia gave us the best of both worlds. |
| 01:41.42 | Erthe | (As sad as that is to say) |
| 01:42.33 | tsimpson | hopefully they'll surprise us all and be an excellent contribution to open source |
| 01:42.55 | tsimpson | they have done only good things so far |
| 01:43.12 | Roasted | how recently did Nokia take it over? |
| 01:44.12 | Erthe | Uh, I don't recall actually. It was in the last couple of years I believe. |
| 01:44.14 | tsimpson | since early last year I think |
| 01:44.26 | tsimpson | definitely not before 2008 |
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| 01:44.37 | Roasted | so let me understand this a bit... |
| 01:45.12 | tsimpson | 2008-06-18 google tells me |
| 01:45.33 | Roasted | KDE is built on Qt. Qt has a license that is not GPL. Hence why Ubuntu went with Gnome as primary desktop. KDE stays with Qt since its creation in what, 96, till 2008ish and Nokia steps up, buys QT, changes to GPL license, and barfs out the final result of KDE being under the exact same license as Gnome. Am I right? |
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| 01:46.10 | Erthe | Well, GNOME was the default apparently because the distro creator liked GNOME better. |
| 01:46.19 | Roasted | yeah, thats understandable too |
| 01:46.24 | tsimpson | Roasted: I told you, that's not the reason Ubuntu ships Gnome |
| 01:46.27 | Roasted | but regardless, is the timeline of events kinda accurate? |
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| 01:46.50 | tsimpson | Qt was GPL before Nokia |
| 01:46.59 | tsimpson | Nokia changed it to LGPL soon after |
| 01:47.07 | Roasted | whats so bad about GPL? |
| 01:47.24 | lmurray | GPL doesn't allow closed-source software to use it, while LGPL does |
| 01:47.31 | tsimpson | nothing, just that LGPL is less restrictive to closed-source devs |
| 01:47.41 | Roasted | is gnome LGPL or GPL? |
| 01:47.44 | tsimpson | you can *link* your closed-source app against LGPL libraries |
| 01:47.48 | lmurray | GNOME libraries are LGPL |
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| 01:47.52 | lmurray | GNOME software is GPL |
| 01:48.26 | Roasted | so Gnome is locked down enough so closed source stuff isnt used with the actual window manager, while the libs allow that possibility |
| 01:48.48 | tsimpson | Gnome is open source, so it's GPL. but GTK+ is LGPL |
| 01:48.57 | tsimpson | Gnome is built on top of GTK+ |
| 01:48.59 | Roasted | good lord this is confusing |
| 01:49.00 | Roasted | lol |
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| 01:49.03 | tsimpson | as KDE is built on Qt |
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| 01:49.24 | Roasted | and Qt is LGPL now |
| 01:49.28 | Erthe | Unless you have a need to follow such information, Linux is typically a mish-mash of libraries and independant technologies. |
| 01:49.35 | tsimpson | Gnome is a collection of some libraries and applications, as is KDE. the tools used to build them are GTK+ and Qt respectively |
| 01:49.46 | Roasted | okay okay... this is making more sense |
| 01:49.50 | Roasted | Gnome/KDE = GTK/Qt |
| 01:49.56 | Roasted | GTK/Qt = LGPL |
| 01:50.07 | Erthe | I do find it amusing though that GNOME is built with a toolkit that was designed for a Photoshop clone though. |
| 01:50.14 | Erthe | errr... grammar |
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| 01:50.36 | lmurray | GTK+ is just a widget toolkit, it does nothing else. |
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| 01:51.29 | Erthe | Neither desktop environment is perfect, just different. |
| 01:51.38 | Roasted | So more or less, in the broad scheme of things, KDE/Gnome - Qt/GTK are pretty much on the same license, respectively. |
| 01:51.40 | Erthe | But... I *hate* the GNOME file selector. |
| 01:52.20 | Erthe | Yes, same license. |
| 01:52.48 | Roasted | so they only came on board as being the same license in mid 2008 |
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| 01:53.00 | Erthe | Well I think KDE was LGPL before that. |
| 01:53.08 | tsimpson | and the acronym "GNOME" is incomprehensible |
| 01:53.09 | Erthe | It's that it relied on a library that wasn't. |
| 01:53.09 | Roasted | right, but it was Qt that changed |
| 01:53.22 | Roasted | BUT - Qt was at least GPL |
| 01:53.26 | Erthe | GNU Network Object Model Environment? |
| 01:53.37 | Erthe | It was GPL for free applications, yes. |
| 01:53.47 | tsimpson | yeah, still don't know what a "Network Object Model Environment" is |
| 01:54.11 | Erthe | tsimpson: You don't need to, you just need to be impressed by it. :D |
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| 01:54.39 | Erthe | The amusing thing is too is GNOME = C software. |
| 01:54.47 | Erthe | No objects. |
| 01:54.51 | Erthe | Yet the name.. |
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| 01:55.51 | tsimpson | trying to shovel object-orientated programming into C is dumb, and unholy |
| 01:56.05 | Erthe | C++ is C with OO extensions. |
| 01:56.07 | Erthe | imo |
| 01:56.19 | tsimpson | yes, but C++ has objects |
| 01:56.34 | Erthe | Are they objects, or structs with methods? :D |
| 01:56.57 | tsimpson | as far as the implementation goes, they are structs with methods |
| 01:57.04 | tsimpson | but you _use_ them like objects |
| 01:57.08 | tsimpson | which is all I care about :) |
| 01:57.10 | Erthe | Yes. |
| 01:57.21 | lmurray | C++ uses compiler extensions, GNOME uses precompiler macros to get objects... |
| 01:57.21 | Erthe | C++ could use a bit of an overhaul. |
| 01:57.32 | Roasted | so Gnome + GTK was LGPL all along... KDE was LGPL all along... but Qt (what KDE is built on) was at one time GPL... and it's now LGPL... |
| 01:57.51 | Erthe | It was GPL + Qt License |
| 01:57.57 | tsimpson | lmurray: but the C++ code is readable, the C code is ugly as hell |
| 01:58.12 | lmurray | tsimpson, yes it is |
| 01:58.31 | Erthe | I'm just not a fan of procedural programming anymore. |
| 01:58.35 | Roasted | erthe - I see. Does the Qt license still exist? Or is it fully LGPL as of mid 08? |
| 01:58.40 | Erthe | C++/Java = Win |
| 01:59.00 | Erthe | Roasted: Um, I'm not sure if the Qt license exists, you'd have to scour the Qt website. |
| 01:59.16 | Erthe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Public_License |
| 02:00.19 | Erthe | It's probably no longer in use. |
| 02:00.22 | tsimpson | the QPL is not shipped with the code |
| 02:00.37 | tsimpson | but there are a few "exceptions" to the LGPL |
| 02:01.06 | Erthe | Enough to make Eric Raymond go crazy? |
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| 02:01.27 | tsimpson | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/master/LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt |
| 02:02.14 | Roasted | hmm |
| 02:02.19 | Roasted | this stuff is way over my head |
| 02:03.06 | daredevilfury | Erthe: tat overhaul has been long in the making. but now it seems c++0x is bound to become c++xx . sad if you ask me |
| 02:04.06 | tsimpson | unless it comes in the next month |
| 02:04.18 | tsimpson | but we all knew 0x was never going to happen ;) |
| 02:04.35 | daredevilfury | haha true |
| 02:04.36 | lmurray | It's definitely been delayed to at least 1x |
| 02:04.44 | lmurray | Was on Slashdot months ago :P |
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| 02:05.41 | Erthe | Roasted: Mostly, I don't worry about a license for any software unless I'm going to use it commercially. |
| 02:07.22 | Roasted | Erthe - well, I work in a school district where we have 2500 systems. What if I want to dump Kubuntu on 2500 systems? |
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| 02:07.31 | Erthe | Roasted: You can. |
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| 02:07.46 | Erthe | Kubuntu is free software. |
| 02:07.58 | Roasted | So why would I have to worry in a commercial environment? |
| 02:08.20 | Erthe | Well I'm a web application developer. |
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| 02:08.44 | Erthe | When I want to use third-party software I have to worry about deployment, licensing, etc. |
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| 02:08.55 | Erthe | That's the only time I worry about it. |
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| 02:09.17 | Roasted | I'm not following - when you want to use 3rd party software to make an application for you to sell? |
| 02:09.43 | Erthe | If I build an application for a client to be run on a hosted, virtual server, I have to be sure any component I use is free to use and distribute. |
| 02:10.03 | Erthe | If it ships with a license that doesn't allow for that, I have to A) find an alternative or B) have my client pay for it. |
| 02:10.16 | Roasted | hm, I see |
| 02:10.17 | tsimpson | Roasted: unless you plan to sell Kubuntu, you can install it anywhere |
| 02:10.27 | tsimpson | several governments use Ubuntu already |
| 02:10.45 | Erthe | You're also an educational institution, rules change wildly due to that. |
| 02:10.51 | Roasted | yeah |
| 02:10.57 | Roasted | we just got raped by conficker too |
| 02:10.59 | Erthe | There is quite a bit you can get for free being a school board. |
| 02:11.01 | Roasted | a quote from my boss |
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| 02:11.12 | Roasted | "*Insert F bomb here* - I should have went with Linux" |
| 02:11.34 | Roasted | I wouldnt be surprised if we bring on some kind of linux distro in the next year or so :P |
| 02:11.37 | Erthe | Well, the only thing about installing Kubuntu is user adoption. |
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| 02:11.52 | Roasted | well, it would depend where it goes |
| 02:12.00 | Roasted | chances are we'd do it the same way we did when we integrated open office |
| 02:12.07 | Erthe | I think KDE would be ideal in libraries. |
| 02:12.07 | Roasted | put it in an elementary lab, then expand to that entire elementary school |
| 02:12.12 | Roasted | then the other schools |
| 02:12.16 | Roasted | and move up to middle school, etc |
| 02:12.38 | Roasted | honestly I think both gnome and KDE would be solid anywehre I put them. But I feel like KDE might be better in a student environment. |
| 02:13.07 | Erthe | You can configure minimalist interfaces for the students with the plasma desktop. |
| 02:13.26 | Erthe | So one menu with only the apps you want students to run. |
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| 02:13.38 | Roasted | yeah |
| 02:13.48 | Roasted | this is pretty good stuff |
| 02:13.56 | Roasted | oh one last question about licensing though |
| 02:14.05 | Roasted | can you change from LGPL to a more restrictive license if nokia/qt pleased? |
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| 02:14.24 | Erthe | I'm not sure I follow you. |
| 02:14.36 | Roasted | currently KDE is LGPL |
| 02:14.41 | Erthe | Yes. |
| 02:14.43 | Roasted | what if they want to go to a move restrictive license instead of LGPL |
| 02:14.45 | Roasted | is that a possibility? |
| 02:15.00 | Erthe | Uh, yes, but the LGPL would apply to the version that was released under it. |
| 02:15.12 | Erthe | So KDE 4.3.2 is LGPL |
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| 02:15.25 | Erthe | If 4.3.3 was proprietary, you'd still have 4.3.2 |
| 02:15.28 | Roasted | I guess itd be kind of stupid though |
| 02:15.33 | Erthe | Yes. :) |
| 02:15.39 | Roasted | cause SOMEBODY would take 4.3.2 and run with it hardcore in an open source fork |
| 02:15.43 | Roasted | and leave 4.3.3 in the dust |
| 02:15.52 | Roasted | kinda goes with the saying, once you go open source, theres no going back |
| 02:16.21 | Erthe | Well KDE would not benefit from a closed license in my opinion. |
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| 02:16.32 | Erthe | What would be the point? |
| 02:16.42 | Roasted | dont you think the same question could be asked for gnome? |
| 02:16.48 | Erthe | Sure you could. |
| 02:16.53 | Roasted | how would they benefit from closed source? |
| 02:17.20 | Erthe | Well, if one distro were able to gain control over the project, they could close it and confine that version forward onto their platform. |
| 02:17.44 | Roasted | I cant imagine the community would support that. |
| 02:17.45 | Erthe | But KDE and GNOME are so distributed that I think such a thing would be very very hard to do at this point. |
| 02:17.51 | Erthe | Plus, people would flip out :) |
| 02:17.54 | Roasted | yeah |
| 02:18.00 | Roasted | thatd be doing things Mac style right there |
| 02:18.09 | Roasted | grab the code, change it to your liking, and barf out OSX |
| 02:18.13 | Erthe | Mac is another planet to me. |
| 02:18.20 | Erthe | It's a nice planet, but it's not this one. |
| 02:18.21 | Roasted | theyre off on pluto to me |
| 02:18.24 | Roasted | and since pluto doesnt exist |
| 02:18.25 | Roasted | life is good |
| 02:18.28 | Erthe | haha |
| 02:18.40 | Roasted | I guess mac deserves their spot where theyre at |
| 02:18.45 | Erthe | MacOS X endears itself to me by having a FreeBSD core. |
| 02:18.46 | Roasted | I just have a big problem with how that company is ran |
| 02:18.54 | Roasted | yeah |
| 02:18.55 | Roasted | the fun stops there IMO |
| 02:19.00 | Erthe | I agree. |
| 02:19.11 | Erthe | We've had to develop a few iPhone applications at work. |
| 02:19.13 | Erthe | Wow. |
| 02:19.20 | Erthe | Talk about a pain in the ass. |
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| 02:19.37 | Roasted | did you hear theres an iphone worm out that targets jailbroken iphones? |
| 02:19.42 | Erthe | Yup. |
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| 02:20.03 | Roasted | hard to not consider apple as the primary contributor to that worm |
| 02:20.08 | Erthe | It "rickrolls" your wallpaper |
| 02:20.24 | Erthe | Well, if it's jailbroken, you're taking your security into your own hands. |
| 02:20.35 | Roasted | right |
| 02:20.45 | Roasted | but apple is the only one (obviously) who gives a damn about it being jailbroken |
| 02:20.46 | Erthe | That worm only affected people who installed sshd and didn't change the default admin password. |
| 02:20.48 | Roasted | which is something I dont understand in the first place |
| 02:21.00 | Erthe | I understand why. |
| 02:21.23 | Erthe | If I jailbrake my phone, try to update my iPhone to the latest version and it fails, who do I blame? |
| 02:21.26 | Erthe | Apple? |
| 02:21.27 | Erthe | Me? |
| 02:21.33 | Roasted | I understand that |
| 02:21.40 | Erthe | And do I even understand that distinction as a regular user? |
| 02:21.40 | Roasted | I just dont understand why its a big fiasco if you unlock it |
| 02:22.05 | Erthe | It's a way of enforcing quality of service. |
| 02:22.14 | Erthe | It's kind of a strange way, but I understand it. |
| 02:22.17 | Roasted | quality of service? or nazi style lockdowns? |
| 02:22.37 | Erthe | Well, look at it this way, if you don't like that you just don't use an iPhone. |
| 02:22.41 | Erthe | I say go Android or go home. |
| 02:23.05 | Roasted | Im still using a razr :( |
| 02:23.31 | Erthe | Well, if I were you I wouldn't buy an iPhone when you buy your next cell phone. |
| 02:23.42 | Roasted | absolutely not :P |
| 02:23.45 | Erthe | And NOT because Apple is a facist regime. |
| 02:23.47 | Roasted | theyre nice, I will admit |
| 02:23.52 | Erthe | But because you can't replace the battery. |
| 02:23.57 | Erthe | And when it stops charging... |
| 02:23.57 | Roasted | but I just dont have a need for the data plan |
| 02:24.02 | Roasted | nor do I want to pay for extra service I dont need |
| 02:24.27 | Roasted | I may be a tech nerd, but I beat phones to death. I dont want to kill an iphone and feel like oh my God I just lost a child. |
| 02:24.29 | Erthe | Any mobile device I buy should allow me to purchase and swap power supplies. |
| 02:24.55 | Erthe | If your batter wouldn't take a charge anymore, you have no phone. |
| 02:25.03 | Erthe | That's why iPhones suck. :) |
| 02:25.09 | Erthe | *battery |
| 02:26.42 | lmurray | If the LCD screen dies then you have no phone as well... why is a battery any different? |
| 02:27.21 | Erthe | Because I can't replace the LCD screen on any phone. |
| 02:27.22 | lmurray | Batteries these days have much better lifetimes than ones manufactured many years ago |
| 02:27.29 | Erthe | On any other phone I can replace batteries |
| 02:27.36 | lmurray | Because they failed often |
| 02:27.47 | daredevilfury | It is expected that the battery will crawl and die after a certain number of charge cycles; more importantly, this cycle is much more often hit for betteries than it is for lcds |
| 02:27.53 | Erthe | Well, even then, I have a backup battery for my phone that's always charged. |
| 02:27.54 | Roasted | erthe - you sure can replace the lcd on a phone. |
| 02:28.00 | Roasted | www.cnn.cn |
| 02:28.02 | Erthe | If my current battery dies, I can swap |
| 02:28.03 | Roasted | check it |
| 02:28.04 | Roasted | phone parts |
| 02:28.24 | daredevilfury | Roasted - Last i checked, its a messy, messy procedure |
| 02:28.34 | Roasted | daredevilfury - oh, definitely. But possible ;) |
| 02:28.48 | Erthe | The cost to replace an LCD screen (or the time to do it myself) isn't worth it, I'd just buy another phone :D |
| 02:29.09 | Erthe | But wow, I didn't know about this site. ;) |
| 02:29.29 | Erthe | See, I know that Apple figured "If the battery finally dies, they just buy a new phone, or pay us to fix it" |
| 02:29.35 | Erthe | I want them out of that loop. |
| 02:30.19 | lmurray | By the time the batteries die in my phones I have them completely replaced... |
| 02:30.35 | lmurray | My current one is going on 3 years now |
| 02:30.37 | jeremym | buy the droid its better anyways |
| 02:31.25 | daredevilfury | well, thats where we differ imurray. my phone was going below 2 days of charge after an year of use, so ijust changed the battery. (yes, i know not everyone needs more than 2 days on a charge) |
| 02:32.04 | lmurray | Mine still takes 6 days charge... |
| 02:32.10 | Erthe | lmurray: Probability and possibility are what we're talking about. I prefer the possibility. |
| 02:32.11 | lmurray | Used to last 8 days, but that's still much longer than I need |
| 02:32.27 | Erthe | That it's not an "option" at all is what irks me. |
| 02:32.31 | Erthe | So I use an Android. |
| 02:32.32 | daredevilfury | interesting. which model is that? i imagine its w/o wifi/3g usage? |
| 02:32.41 | Erthe | Which is fine, because I'm mostly a Java developer. |
| 02:32.54 | lmurray | wants a driod |
| 02:32.57 | Erthe | I'll bbiab, going round the corner to pickup some chinese. |
| 02:32.57 | lmurray | oi |
| 02:33.46 | daredevilfury | lmurray - so which phone model is it that gives you 6+ days on a charge? |
| 02:33.52 | lmurray | daredevilfury, http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details.jsp?globalObjectId=92 |
| 02:33.59 | lmurray | It makes phone calls, that's all I need at the moment |
| 02:34.09 | daredevilfury | oooh |
| 02:34.14 | daredevilfury | haha nvm |
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| 02:35.38 | daredevilfury | i guess battery life isn't an issue if you're going for that usage..but with my wifi/3g usage, battery life is..oh boy..a huge issue.. |
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| 02:41.24 | Roasted | man |
| 02:41.32 | Roasted | Im just happy if my phone doesnt shut off while Im in the middle of a call |
| 02:41.42 | Roasted | it shuts off 4-5 times a day, just by talking on it or opening it to view a text message |
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| 03:06.42 | szal | Roasted: then either the battery is EOL or you have a sh*tty phone :P |
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| 03:08.56 | Roasted | szal - I have a razr. Enough said. ;) |
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| 03:14.04 | xenome | when I install kubuntu fresh the fonts look fantastic, then I install a few GTK apps (pidgin, xchat, firefox) and the fonts suck, then I updated to KDE 4.3.3 and now the fonts look great again. What causes this? |
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| 03:30.20 | kaleemsagard | I don't know. That is rare very much |
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| 03:31.30 | xenome | KDE keeps crashing on me, is there a log I could look at to see what's going on? |
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| 03:40.07 | N9NU | yup |
| 03:40.13 | N9NU | what crashes |
| 03:40.33 | Erthe | X outputs an error log. |
| 03:40.53 | xenome | well I'm not sure, I don't get a warning, I just get booted out and have to log back in |
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| 03:40.57 | xenome | is that kwin or plasma? |
| 03:40.58 | N9NU | so you dont even get to GUI? |
| 03:41.23 | xenome | it seems to happen alot when I play with GTK apps, like firefox, pidgen or xchat |
| 03:41.40 | N9NU | ah.....do you have gtk-kde installed? |
| 03:42.00 | xenome | i must have something my gtk apps look marvelous |
| 03:42.44 | N9NU | there is an icon in the Look and Feel control panel that shows what Win Dec your GTK apps are using |
| 03:42.52 | xenome | yeah, QtCurve |
| 03:43.01 | xenome | i don't have a package called gtk-win |
| 03:43.10 | xenome | gtk-qt-engine |
| 03:43.12 | xenome | which isn't installed |
| 03:43.31 | N9NU | install gtk-kde |
| 03:43.45 | xenome | i don't see a kubuntu package by that name |
| 03:43.49 | xenome | is it called something else? |
| 03:43.52 | N9NU | oh |
| 03:43.58 | N9NU | my bad..... |
| 03:44.05 | xenome | i have the qtcurve stuff running to make the GTK apps look like the KDE apps |
| 03:44.07 | N9NU | was thinking i was in Mandriva ... woops ;) |
| 03:44.11 | xenome | and I must say they look great |
| 03:44.21 | xenome | you really think that would cause my problem? |
| 03:44.30 | xenome | does the error log get overwritten when you log back in? |
| 03:44.31 | N9NU | is that box checked? ...the .use my KDE style in GTK apps |
| 03:44.36 | N9NU | negative |
| 03:44.37 | xenome | yes |
| 03:44.43 | N9NU | ok |
| 03:45.04 | N9NU | can you paste your log |
| 03:45.12 | N9NU | not here, but online |
| 03:45.19 | xenome | where's the log? |
| 03:45.25 | xenome | i looked at .xsession-errors |
| 03:45.31 | xenome | and that seems to be wiped out after you log back in |
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| 03:45.41 | N9NU | ../var/log |
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| 03:46.35 | xenome | where can I paste it? |
| 03:46.41 | N9NU | also...within Style page, see what your CPU/GPU setting is at |
| 03:47.01 | N9NU | paste in pm hang on |
| 03:47.27 | N9NU | under Fine Tuning |
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| 03:48.43 | xenome | i'm not sure if this log is any good |
| 03:49.06 | N9NU | look at the dates to the left |
| 03:49.18 | linux | Hello, can someone tell me if there is a german kde chat channel, please? I just tried #kde-de but it is "empty" |
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| 03:49.35 | xenome | under fine tuning? |
| 03:49.47 | xenome | so do I want kdm.log? |
| 03:49.47 | N9NU | yeah...within the 'styles' applet |
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| 03:50.04 | N9NU | there are actually a few logs, but that one will do |
| 03:50.11 | N9NU | or any plasma logs |
| 03:50.29 | xenome | i don't see any logging options under fine tining |
| 03:50.41 | N9NU | oh no... |
| 03:50.49 | N9NU | i ment look for the 'fine tuning' tab |
| 03:50.54 | xenome | i see that |
| 03:50.56 | N9NU | check CPU/GPU settings |
| 03:51.05 | xenome | i don't have anything there |
| 03:51.10 | xenome | just text position and show icons on buttons |
| 03:51.21 | N9NU | KDE 4. ? |
| 03:51.26 | xenome | yessir |
| 03:51.36 | xenome | on kubuntu |
| 03:51.45 | N9NU | only 4.4 has that option then |
| 03:51.45 | xenome | where is the plasma log? |
| 03:51.58 | xenome | i'm running 4.3.3 |
| 03:52.00 | N9NU | lemme check where mine are |
| 03:52.20 | N9NU | Platform Version 4.3.75 (KDE 4.3.75 (KDE 4.4 >= 20091113)) |
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| 03:52.37 | N9NU | just a sec |
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| 03:55.23 | xenome | http://pastebin.ca/1684781 |
| 03:55.28 | xenome | there's my kdm.log |
| 03:55.32 | N9NU | ok |
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| 03:57.42 | xenome | i don't know where plasma writes its log |
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| 04:00.04 | xenome | see anything? |
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| 04:02.38 | ceed^ | Hi, does anyone here know where kmail stores users mail? |
| 04:05.08 | kdepepo | ceed^, .kde/share/apps/kmail usually |
| 04:05.17 | Jucato | or ~/Mail for some distros |
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| 04:08.01 | ceed^ | thanks, just found it in ~/.kdemod4/share/apps/kmail/mail. Had to dig deep for that one! :) |
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| 07:19.58 | Gratz474 | what editor is this guy using http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vhxo2oL70E&feature=related ?? |
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| 07:20.20 | Gratz474 | not at the end but during the beginning and middle |
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| 07:26.26 | Gratz474 | is it possible to run kate on windows? |
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| 07:33.16 | neverendingo | Gratz474: he runs aptana and kate, yes. and indeed, kate is available for windows |
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| 07:38.52 | Sho_ | Gratz474: kate |
| 07:39.00 | Sho_ | Gratz474: and yes, it runs on Windows |
| 07:40.19 | neverendingo | thanks for the backup, Sho_ ;) |
| 07:40.49 | Sho_ | neverendingo: sorry, overread your line |
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| 08:24.06 | rmrfchik | hmm.. when I run, say, dolphin and strace it, I see a lot of reading icons on _each_ redraw. i mean a LOT. When I run dolphin from other user, it run fast without rescanning icons on each redraw. |
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| 08:59.58 | Gratz474 | Sho_: do I have to install all of kde ? |
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| 09:01.36 | Sho_ | Gratz474: for kate? no |
| 09:03.06 | Gratz474 | Sho_: how can i get it? i can't find anything |
| 09:03.40 | Sho_ | Gratz474: KDE releases it as part of the kdesdk module - if your distro doesn't have a distinct Kate package, look for a kdesdk one |
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| 09:04.35 | Gratz474 | Sho_: so i have to install kde for windows to get it to work? |
| 09:04.48 | Sho_ | right, you're on windows |
| 09:05.04 | Sho_ | Run the KDE for Windows installer, you can select what exactly you want to install as part of the process |
| 09:06.02 | afief | Gratz474: last time I picked the Visual Studio compiled package turned out there were none available, took me some time to figure out you need to pick minGW, hope you won't have the same problems) |
| 09:06.20 | Sho_ | msvc is normally recommended for better Win integration |
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| 09:09.38 | afief | Sho_: That doesn't help if there aren't any packages available for it(and the installer doesn't have an option to change your choice later on unless you delete the config files) |
| 09:10.00 | Sho_ | afief: yes, but packages should be available now .. |
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| 09:11.54 | dimm | might kdelibs-3.5.10 can builded with icc ? |
| 09:12.09 | afief | Sho_: what I said was meant as an "if you don't find packages, this is what happened to me, it might help you" |
| 09:12.49 | afief | I certainly don't know enough about the details to know if MSVC is better than the others or not |
| 09:12.53 | Sho_ | afief: what I said was meant as an "but don't go for mingw without trying msvc first" |
| 09:13.06 | afief | Sho_: :) |
| 09:13.13 | Sho_ | nor do I, but I'm relaying the KDE Windows' developers recommendation |
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| 09:14.44 | afief | Sho_: How is KDE windows coming along? I installed kate for a friend some time ago but haven't really digged into it since kde 4.2 |
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| 09:18.47 | Sho_ | afief: Seems to work increasingly fine, at least Konversation is getting quite a few Windows users these days |
| 09:20.15 | afief | Sho_: I just can't imagine a desktop without kate and amarok, beside chromium they are the two applications I use most |
| 09:20.27 | afief | perhaps using windows won't be like pulling teeth anymore now |
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| 09:21.07 | Sho_ | afief: Ugh, Chromium :) |
| 09:21.49 | afief | Sho_: yeah I'd have prefered it being built on Qt too, but I honestly think it's the best browser available for Linux right now |
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| 09:22.41 | Sho_ | afief: Hardly, considering it can't even render text correctly |
| 09:23.24 | Sho_ | http://ktown.kde.org/~fredrik/konqvschrome.png |
| 09:23.25 | afief | Sho_: I just filed a bug report about arabic text always going out of it's container |
| 09:23.27 | freinhard | is there anything (going to?) replace kde3's kitchensync in kde4? |
| 09:24.07 | Sho_ | freinhard: "Work on the SyncML client is improving steadily. It will be merged into KDE 4.4. It is an Akonadi Agent and I think we still need an GUI for it, but the framework will be there. Iâll blog about it more when we have had the demo." |
| 09:24.12 | Gratz474 | Sho_: does that use cygwin or something? |
| 09:24.14 | Sho_ | from http://www.omat.nl/2009/10/17/akonadi-meeting-day-1-discussions-api-review/ |
| 09:24.20 | Sho_ | Gratz474: KDE Windows? No |
| 09:25.17 | freinhard | Sho_: great, thx! |
| 09:25.53 | dimm | can i build kdelibs-3.5.10 with icc ? |
| 09:25.59 | dimm | (intel c compiler) |
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| 09:26.38 | pinotree | you can try |
| 09:27.55 | freinhard | dimm: why would one want to do that? |
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| 09:28.24 | afief | Sho_: interesting, but it's still *very* fast and more stable than konqueror |
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| 09:28.57 | Sho_ | afief: doesn't help if it makes me want to scratch my eyes out with a rusty fork |
| 09:29.01 | Sho_ | is very fond of fonts |
| 09:29.57 | afief | Sho_: to each his own :D I guess konq will get ever more stable and chrome will start rendering text correctly at some point |
| 09:30.13 | dimm | freinhard, i wat to try for get best performance |
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| 09:39.11 | bentob0x | in KDE 4.3.2, every day, when I boot, I do change some settings in my mulitple desktops but it resets the name every day, it seems that a setting isn't written properly in some config/rc file, how can I debug/fix this? |
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| 09:39.37 | bentob0x | I basically rename my desktop 9 to 'Music' and it's not keeping it, it's resetting it to 'Desktop 9' |
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| 09:44.41 | pbunbun | bentob0x: SHould be in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kwinrc |
| 09:45.03 | pbunbun | Names for all of them and the number of desktops, might not be storing past 8 |
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| 09:46.25 | bentob0x | when I change the desktop name, it seems to change the file ok pbunbun, but it doesn't keep it when I reboot, would you have an idea of why this is happening? |
| 09:46.48 | pbunbun | Oh I dunno, sorry, just assumed that was the problem |
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| 09:49.43 | Gratz474 | Sho_: works perfect, except for the file browser from within kate, it crashes the program otherwise its perfect hmm |
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| 09:53.54 | Gratz474 | any of you guys here kate users? |
| 09:54.04 | Gratz474 | is there any thing for managing files easily in kate? |
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| 10:20.52 | Welsh_Dwarf | Hi, are the IRC channels logged anywhere? |
| 10:21.15 | pinotree | usually no |
| 10:21.16 | BluesMurf | NSA.GOV |
| 10:22.12 | Welsh_Dwarf | OK, it's just that my rebuild of kdebase gave some "âGlobalConfigâ is not a member of âPhononâ" errers, and I saw a few pastebin's of similar logs, so I was wondering if I could google the awnser |
| 10:23.17 | pinotree | use phonon from kdesupport trunk |
| 10:23.32 | Welsh_Dwarf | pinotree: thanks |
| 10:24.18 | Welsh_Dwarf | rebuilding |
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| 11:08.51 | Half-Left | SanskritFritz: You mean a push button effect? |
| 11:09.19 | SanskritFritz | no, I want to click the sonata icon from a script if possible |
| 11:09.35 | SanskritFritz | so sonata it appears |
| 11:09.51 | SanskritFritz | so sonata appears |
| 11:10.10 | Half-Left | No idea |
| 11:10.24 | SanskritFritz | starting a second instance of sonata almost works, but it appears behind other windows |
| 11:10.54 | SanskritFritz | I'm thinking maybe a dbus message? |
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| 11:12.02 | Half-Left | Most lightly but I don't know dbus commands |
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| 11:12.37 | SanskritFritz | ok, so it is worth to search in that direction on google then I guess |
| 11:13.34 | Half-Left | SanskritFritz: http://techbase.kde.org/Special:Search?search=dbus&fulltext=Search |
| 11:14.15 | SanskritFritz | Half-Left: thank you |
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| 11:33.18 | chi-chi | hello anyone there? |
| 11:35.09 | Erthe | What's up? |
| 11:37.30 | chi-chi | i was wondering if koffice can run on windows |
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| 11:38.44 | Erthe | You can run KDE as a whole in Windows through Cygwin I believe. |
| 11:38.56 | Erthe | I've never tried it, but I know people have done it. |
| 11:39.03 | pinotree | chi-chi: you can ask in #kde-windows |
| 11:39.16 | Erthe | Ah, see, there ya go :) |
| 11:39.18 | chi-chi | they dont seem to want to answer |
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| 11:39.56 | Erthe | http://windows.kde.org/ |
| 11:40.01 | chi-chi | ive been trying for a whole day |
| 11:40.47 | chi-chi | ya i got the installer from there but it seems that koffice does not run |
| 11:41.38 | Erthe | The site mentions that there are still bugs, it shouldn't be considered stable. |
| 11:41.49 | chi-chi | ah |
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| 11:42.27 | chi-chi | so it does not run at all for now? |
| 11:42.30 | chi-chi | thanks :) |
| 11:43.15 | Erthe | I don't know, but if it's not running for you it's a fair indication it isn't for others. |
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| 12:09.58 | Sho_ | Erthe: fwiw, windows.kde.org doesn't use Cygwin |
| 12:10.25 | Erthe | Sho_: It was an educated guess, I didn't know there was an independantly maintained installer/distribution of it for Windows. |
| 12:11.40 | Sho_ | just sayin': it's actually native these days |
| 12:12.11 | Erthe | And that's very cool :D |
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| 12:23.21 | chi-chi | :O |
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| 12:44.04 | sxe | hey guys, i have a cmake programm, can someone tell my how to see available compiler options.. something like configure --help ? thx |
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| 12:56.08 | driqq | I just installed Ktoon on Ubuntu 9.10. Many areas of the program are blank, the startup tips show a blank popup. Any solutions? |
| 12:56.46 | annma | you need to mail the authors or ask Ubuntu forum |
| 12:57.00 | annma | it's not a KDE svn program |
| 12:57.37 | Erthe | sxe: Wrong channel for that question. |
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| 12:57.43 | driqq | I'm sorry |
| 12:57.44 | driqq | ok |
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| 12:57.55 | Half-Left | sxe: -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="mypath" |
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| 12:58.29 | sxe | annma: ? |
| 12:58.56 | annma | sxe: was for driqq obviously |
| 12:59.12 | sxe | annma: ok |
| 12:59.36 | annma | although can apply to cmake as well |
| 13:00.04 | sxe | i want to get a list of available cmake options a kde programm offers.. :) |
| 13:00.17 | sxe | in my case a want to know what options bespin has |
| 13:00.26 | Half-Left | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/CMake |
| 13:00.47 | Torch | sxe: still not a kde question ;-) ccmake might help you. |
| 13:01.04 | sxe | ok .. thx :) |
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| 13:53.33 | alegria | Hey! I want to change the background image in konqueror which appears when i open konqueror (about:) I think the relevant config files are in /usr/share/kde4/apps/konqueror/about but there arent't any pics... I use openSUSE 11.2 with KDE 4.3 - Anybody has an idea? |
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| 14:03.06 | annma | alegria: let me look the code |
| 14:04.43 | alegria | you mean launch.html? or konq.css? |
| 14:04.51 | alegria | i don't see nothing there... |
| 14:04.56 | alegria | but maybe you! ;) |
| 14:05.47 | annma | I am looking in konq_aboutpage.cc |
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| 14:12.14 | annma | alegria: I think the pic is in $KDEDIRS/share/apps/kdeui/about/ |
| 14:13.21 | annma | body-background.jpg |
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| 14:13.29 | annma | do you see it? |
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| 14:15.40 | annma | alegria: did you find it? |
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| 14:16.34 | alegria | mmhhh... |
| 14:16.41 | alegria | what you mean with $KDEDIRS |
| 14:16.47 | alegria | sorry... ;) |
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| 14:19.35 | alegria | okay - i found it: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdeui/about |
| 14:20.33 | alegria | how you identify/figure out the path??? |
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| 14:28.10 | serenity | hi |
| 14:28.28 | serenity | is there a possiblity to adjust the transparency of dashboard? |
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| 14:30.30 | annma_ | in the konq_about.cc file |
| 14:30.56 | annma_ | it calls KStandardDirs::locate( "data", "kdeui/about/kde_infopage.css" ) which has the line |
| 14:31.20 | annma_ | background-image: url(body-background.jpg); for the body |
| 14:31.36 | alegria | okay... and the konq_about.cc file is only visible/available when you have the source code of konqueror, right? |
| 14:31.48 | annma_ | yes, which I have |
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| 14:31.59 | annma_ | or you can browse it through websvn |
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| 14:34.01 | alegria | okay... so i can't find it because i haven't the code... THANKS a lot annma!!! |
| 14:34.20 | annma_ | you're welcome |
| 14:34.45 | jthomas_sb | KDE 4.3.2: I have my desktop image set to Wallpaper: Globe, Theme: Open Street Map, Interactive. The mouse wheel zooms in and out which is great, but its extremely incremental. Is there any modifier key or something which allows me to zoom much faster/further? |
| 14:35.29 | annma_ | jthomas_sb: ask in #marble |
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| 14:35.40 | jthomas_sb | annma_ thanks will do. |
| 14:36.47 | serenity | and about transparency in dashboard? |
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| 14:53.46 | BluesMurf | heh, google wave not really working on konq |
| 14:55.41 | krege | can't compile kdepim (svn), gcc hang without error message |
| 14:56.21 | krege | what can i do? |
| 14:56.23 | annma | krege: svn trunk? |
| 14:56.30 | annma | first be precise |
| 14:56.45 | annma | what kdepim svn? |
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| 14:58.04 | krege | annma: trunk, rev.1053354 |
| 14:58.15 | krege | hang on compile generated globalsettings_base.cpp |
| 14:58.19 | krege | in kmail part |
| 14:58.55 | annma | make VERBOSE=1 and pastebin last full line before hang + hang line |
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| 14:59.15 | annma | do you have kdelibs trunk as well and kdepimlibs? |
| 14:59.16 | krege | VERBOSE=1 to cmake or make? |
| 14:59.20 | krege | yes |
| 14:59.23 | krege | the same rev. |
| 14:59.51 | annma | first time build? |
| 15:00.27 | Creap | VirtualBox doesn't understand that it shouldn't overlap my Plasma Panels in Seamless mode :-( |
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| 15:00.57 | krege | what do you mean "first time"? |
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| 15:02.11 | annma | is it the first time you build kdepim or is that an update? |
| 15:02.31 | annma | or: is the build dir new? |
| 15:03.14 | krege | ah, it is clean build (chroot) |
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| 15:03.50 | annma | so did you pastebin it? |
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| 15:04.17 | krege | in progres |
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| 15:12.30 | krege | annma: http://pastebin.com/m316086fe http://pastebin.com/m436c6fa9 |
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| 15:13.31 | VibroMax_ | how can I run knewsticker in gnome ? |
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| 15:19.20 | krege | annma: may be open new bug? or it is somthing specific? |
| 15:20.09 | annma | no |
| 15:20.14 | annma | it's not a bug |
| 15:20.29 | annma | what cmake options do you use? |
| 15:21.23 | krege | annma: http://pastebin.com/m799112c |
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| 15:22.57 | annma | is it for a distro? |
| 15:23.08 | krege | F12, yes |
| 15:23.15 | krege | Fedora 12 |
| 15:23.34 | annma | so aren't you subscribe to the build mailing list? |
| 15:24.10 | krege | i'm not subscribed |
| 15:24.19 | krege | need i do it and post this? |
| 15:24.37 | annma | yes post the cmake line and the build line |
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| 15:26.49 | krege | annma: what is "build list"? don't see it on http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/ |
| 15:27.41 | krege | Kde-buildsystem? |
| 15:27.51 | annma | you got it |
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| 15:50.34 | christoph3141 | Hi! Is JavaScript, Python or C++ recommended for developing a plasmoid? |
| 15:50.49 | annma | as you want |
| 15:51.04 | annma | what language do you know the best? |
| 15:51.19 | christoph3141 | Probably C++. |
| 15:51.24 | annma | although there are not many in javascript so yo'll lack examples |
| 15:51.28 | christoph3141 | The burden of choice ;) |
| 15:51.31 | annma | C++ is the wider |
| 15:51.44 | annma | the wider used |
| 15:52.08 | annma | what sort of plasmoid is it? |
| 15:52.58 | christoph3141 | I'm planning a simple Todo-List plasmoid (It will be my first plasmoid). As far as I saw, there is only the remember the milk plasmoid which requires registration somewhere. |
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| 15:53.09 | annma | yes |
| 15:53.43 | annma | do you have the python environment installed? |
| 15:54.06 | christoph3141 | uhm⦠I have python itself installed, if you mean that? |
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| 15:54.32 | annma | I mean for your development environment |
| 15:54.46 | annma | what KDE version are you choosing to develop against? |
| 15:55.07 | annma | and does it have python support in plasma |
| 15:55.15 | annma | in the case you choose python |
| 15:55.25 | annma | that means PyQT4 |
| 15:55.31 | annma | PyQt4 |
| 15:55.40 | christoph3141 | annma: I have kde 4.3.3 from arch |
| 15:55.55 | annma | and can you install Python applets? |
| 15:56.18 | christoph3141 | I have pyqt4 installed |
| 15:56.29 | christoph3141 | (04:58:01 PM) annma: and can you install Python applets? <------ how do I figure that out? |
| 15:56.43 | annma | so get a python applet from kde-look.org and install it |
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| 15:57.55 | christoph3141 | ok |
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| 15:58.45 | Half-Left | pykde4 you'll need I think |
| 15:59.35 | annma | there's a techbase page about python applets |
| 16:00.00 | annma | gave up on self-environement with python |
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| 16:00.04 | htrejh | hai |
| 16:00.12 | htrejh | how can you bind multimedia keys in kde? |
| 16:00.32 | htrejh | i would like to bind the unbound multimedia keys to launch programs like amarok |
| 16:00.47 | Half-Left | multimedia keys are the root of all evil :p |
| 16:00.59 | htrejh | why? it can be useful |
| 16:01.27 | Half-Left | Yeah, when your child presses them it's great |
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| 16:05.28 | christoph3141 | annma: thanks, I'll do it in python then! |
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| 16:07.27 | christoph3141 | Oh: Can you use python 3 for programming a plasmoid or do you have to use 2? |
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| 16:12.13 | annma | if PyQt supports Python 3 you can |
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| 16:14.02 | rdale_ | i don't know if it is ok to mix python interpreters in plasma |
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| 16:14.18 | rdale_ | i would imagine you can only have one per process |
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| 16:17.24 | NfNitLoop | I've installed some xscreensaver savers, and I see them in the KDE settings panel, but they seem to have fewer configuration options than I get in xscreensaver's UI. |
| 16:17.30 | NfNitLoop | Is there a way to see all of those? |
| 16:17.48 | NfNitLoop | or, at least, tweak them in some config file? |
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| 16:30.57 | kpal | Hi! I am wondering if the darg'n'drop works in korganizer's ToDo: I would expect that an entry I drag becomes a sub-ToDo of the entry over which I drop it. But it does not. Or I do something wrong? |
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| 16:33.17 | kpal | I use I use Debian's kdepim 3.5.9 |
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| 16:36.43 | crismon_ | hi channel, i have a problem with applications section in kickoff: i have build kde4 and now in application section i don't have apps ::) |
| 16:37.31 | crismon_ | if i run set | grep KDEDIR and set | grep XDG --> http://pastebin.com/m5e4be349 |
| 16:38.03 | crismon_ | in my .bashrc io have: http://pastebin.com/m337705c9 |
| 16:38.51 | crismon_ | Anyone have idea? |
| 16:40.00 | annma | you have built kde4 yourself or is it a distro?* |
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| 16:41.18 | crismon_ | annma, my self :) It's my first |
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| 16:42.32 | annma | OK so you have some distro settings interfering |
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| 16:42.53 | crismon_ | annma, interfering? |
| 16:43.09 | annma | messing your menu probably |
| 16:43.30 | crismon_ | annma, i use opensuse |
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| 16:46.23 | crismon_ | annma, how i can try to solve? |
| 16:46.53 | annma | ask in #opensuse channel thee will be people building KDE from source |
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| 16:47.39 | crismon_ | annma, i have askrd :) |
| 16:47.47 | crismon_ | annma,*asked |
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| 16:48.49 | aPpYe | When running my archlinux install (kde 4.3.3) I have a problem where when I open the Network icon in dolphin, then open samba shares, then click on any domain or workgroup represented there, I am presented with a username/password dialogue. No user/pass combination I can think of works. When running the kubuntu 910 livecd (kde 4.3.2) things work fine, meaning I am not asked for any... |
| 16:48.51 | aPpYe | ...user/pass until trying to get into an actual machine that is part of the domain/workgroup I just entered. |
| 16:48.53 | aPpYe | Does this make any sense? I hope I explained that correctly. |
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| 17:22.30 | devzero_ | hello, I'm using kde 4.3.2 on gentoo - I installed windows apps using crossover which creates links in kde menu - when I click nothings happens. When I copy to workspace, I get a message where the command is listed and if I trust I can continue. This is just once for each link, If I trust I can start from menu, too. Where to setup this behaviour? |
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| 17:32.36 | Torch | kushou: irc doesn't provide a way to do this. |
| 17:33.15 | kushou | I've already seen it |
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| 17:37.23 | kushou | I think I was wrong, I can't find how to do this |
| 17:37.32 | kushou | maybe we can't |
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| 18:01.25 | chaitu | Greetings All. Am trying to install new themes from -destop settings -->new themes. however, I dont see the themes in the drop down menu of themes once after installing them. can someone help me please? |
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| 18:04.17 | Half-Left | chaitu: No "Get new themes" work? |
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| 18:05.18 | chaitu | Half-Left: Once I click on get new themes icon it givs me a list... and a install button next to the themes. I dont see the themes I installed in the drop down box to select once I comeout of "get new themes" window |
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| 18:09.36 | leopold | hallo Zombie |
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| 18:11.49 | chaitu | aight can someone please tell me -do themes depend on version of kde? |
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| 18:18.00 | daum_ | hey guys i just setup kde4 on my laptop however its not showing me the battery monitor do i have to enable it somewhere? |
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| 18:28.48 | Torch | daum_: your distro should have preconfigured that for you. if they haven't, you can add the battery monitor widget to the panel yourself. click on the yellow symbol at the far right end of the panel and then click on "add widgets" |
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| 18:29.27 | Torch | daum_: in the list, double click the "battery monitor" widget |
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| 18:32.03 | daum_ | Torch, ah ok thanks, on gentoo so gotta do everything....hm gotta probably enable some kernel options for this to work hmm |
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| 18:55.07 | icwiener-_- | thiago: You told me once to check with netcat or tcpdump, when I cannot cnnect to certein hosts. Now I have that situation but I forgot for what I should watch out. |
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| 19:00.18 | thiago | icwiener: I don't remember what you're talking about |
| 19:00.47 | daum_ | can you tell kmail to use a different directory for storage/settings? I have my home system mounted over sshfs and would like to just connect my laptops kamil to that directory so it doesn't et out of sync etc |
| 19:02.46 | icwiener | thiago: I cannot connect to a certain host (the connection takes minutes). My roommate can, so it is not the connection. It also is not a specific app or group of apps. So you suggested using netcat and tcpdump to find system-wide oddities. You mentioned something I should look for in the output of those commands but I forgot what it was. |
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| 19:04.25 | thiago | does it happen only in KDE apps? |
| 19:07.57 | icwiener | thiago: No. |
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| 19:24.32 | Jenzo | hey, does anybody know, where kaffeine stores its timeshift files? |
| 19:25.41 | MTGap_ | probably somewhere in .kde |
| 19:26.20 | daum_ | Torch, still here? I am having trouble getting the battery monitor to work |
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| 19:28.24 | Jenzo | great - i've got exactly 0.0KB free on /..... |
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| 19:29.02 | Jenzo | but no, its not .kde and not kde4 neither |
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| 19:30.23 | Jenzo | wow....crap; it was in ~ |
| 19:30.38 | Jenzo | too obvious to see^^....oO |
| 19:30.41 | Jenzo | thx anyway |
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| 19:34.27 | bschindler|home | Hi, is there a way to start an application on a specific screen by using the command line? (I'm using twinview/xinerama) |
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| 19:35.20 | thiago | bschindler|home: not with kstart |
| 19:35.27 | aam | bschindler|home:Kwin can remeber that |
| 19:35.28 | thiago | but you can probably do it with: appname -geometry XxY |
| 19:35.52 | bschindler|home | thiago: is that true for non-kde apps as well? |
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| 19:36.45 | thiago | all X11 apps I know have the -geometry option |
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| 19:37.24 | bschindler|home | ah I see - is the syntax for this documented somewhere |
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| 19:38.29 | thiago | usually WIDTHxHEIGHT+X+Y |
| 19:39.21 | bschindler|home | that worked like a charm - thanks! |
| 19:39.23 | thiago | kwrite is appearing at weird positions here |
| 19:39.31 | bschindler|home | oh |
| 19:39.43 | bschindler|home | well, lemme try that in the kdevelop debugger to see whether it works from there |
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| 19:40.17 | thiago | kwin is positioning the window on its own |
| 19:42.05 | bschindler|home | well, it worked here |
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| 19:57.49 | gnac_ | There are menu items (kde4) that do nothing when clicked. If I copy the item to a panel I get a warning that this will start a program. If I click continue the program will run, and then I can run the program from the menu item in the future. |
| 19:58.09 | gnac_ | Is there a better way to enable menu items to run without individually copying them to a panel first? |
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| 20:13.35 | CyberBob | You need to be identified to join that channel <-- how can i get this ?? |
| 20:14.45 | annma | http://freenode.net probably will give you instructions |
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| 20:15.17 | unapiedra | CyberBob: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering |
| 20:15.37 | MTGap_ | In kontact with akregator and when I have load full website selected will display everything except for any flash like videos. When I open it in a new tab in kontact it will show the video. Anyway to get it to show the video without opening a new tab? |
| 20:17.28 | CyberBob | unapiedra: i registered my nick and over the hompageplugin i reach the chat but not in kde-konversation :O |
| 20:18.21 | annma | CyberBob: /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 20:18.27 | annma | in konversation |
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| 20:19.18 | unapiedra | I use quassel (also kde) which you can set up to do the /msg nickserv identify for you on each start-up. I'm sure you can get the same with konversation |
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| 20:20.15 | icwiener | For freenode is currently works to put the password to the "Server password" field. |
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| 20:38.30 | u42p | hey, is ktorrent bug reporting appropiate here? |
| 20:38.43 | u42p | as in: would someone listen and use it? |
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| 20:39.04 | annma | no |
| 20:39.16 | annma | bug report shoudl be done via bugs.kde.org |
| 20:39.31 | annma | via KTorrent -> Help -> Report Bug |
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| 20:40.32 | u42p | i will not create a new account for that |
| 20:41.04 | annma | write the devel then |
| 20:41.12 | annma | here it'll be lost |
| 20:41.24 | CyberBob | i will enter the channel #cyanogenmod but it says i muÃt be registered .. but i'm registerd :O |
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| 20:41.38 | u42p | ok, thanks |
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| 20:42.40 | CyberBob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.34 | u42p | CyberBob: /msg ChanServ help |
| 20:46.00 | szal | u42p: wrong |
| 20:46.14 | u42p | what? |
| 20:46.42 | szal | u42p, CyberBob: /msg NickServ help |
| 20:46.50 | u42p | oops :) |
| 20:46.56 | szal | or for this specific case: /msg NickServ help register |
| 20:47.12 | CyberBob | is the command /msg nickserv user password ?? or ... chatnick password ?? |
| 20:47.28 | CyberBob | szal: i'm registered :O |
| 20:48.14 | szal | CyberBob: well, then identify |
| 20:48.33 | CyberBob | szal: i ry it but it gets an error :( |
| 20:49.14 | CyberBob | [22:36] [nickserv] cyberbob 12345 |
| 20:49.16 | CyberBob | [22:36] [Notice] -NickServ- Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing. |
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| 20:49.31 | szal | 'an error' is not a precise error description |
| 20:49.57 | szal | well, of course, your nick is not a command |
| 20:50.36 | annma | CyberBob: I hope 12345 is not your password |
| 20:50.53 | CyberBob | szal: that comes if i enter /msg nickserv cyberbob 12345 (beispiel) |
| 20:51.41 | szal | as I told you, 'cyberbob' is not a command |
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| 20:51.56 | daum_ | anyone able to help me figure out why the battery monitor on my laptop says no battery is present? /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state shows it |
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| 20:53.46 | Trollinator | Hi, i know that i can reliably suspend my computer by running s2ram -f -a 3. How can i tell the KDE 4.3 shutdown dialog about this? |
| 20:54.28 | u42p | duh, now i managed to workaround the bug and cannot reproduce it anymroe. :( |
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| 20:56.00 | gnu[f] | hi |
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| 20:58.38 | gnu[f] | The notifications of Kopete are empty! How can I fix it? |
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| 20:59.38 | Half-Left | gunni: Too vague |
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| 21:04.31 | gnu[f] | Half-Left: Ich meine .. die benachrichtigungen vom benachrichtigungsbereich im panel öffnen sich, aber zeigen nicht den text oder überhaupt irgendwas vom chat partner an. Sie sind leer. |
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| 21:04.45 | gnu[f] | Half-Left: I mean .. The notifications from the notification area in the panel open, but does not show the text, or even something from chat partners to. They are empty. |
| 21:04.56 | Half-Left | I don't understand German |
| 21:05.09 | Half-Left | Well, I do to a degree :p |
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| 21:05.29 | Half-Left | I can count in German and say a words :) |
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| 21:06.46 | gnu[f] | the error is only available in kopete |
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| 21:09.56 | gnu[f] | Half-Left: Only the chat messages will not be shown, it seems only an empty alert |
| 21:10.36 | Half-Left | weird |
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| 21:10.59 | Half-Left | Have you tried changing the font in the systemsettings? |
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| 21:11.34 | gnu[f] | Half-Left: how do you mean? |
| 21:11.36 | Half-Left | gnu[f]: What Plasma theme are you using? |
| 21:11.54 | gnu[f] | air |
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| 21:12.24 | Half-Left | KDE Version? |
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| 21:14.41 | gnu[f] | KDE 4.3.1 on Sidux (Debian Sid) |
| 21:15.16 | Half-Left | Try switching to a different font |
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| 21:18.28 | gnu[f] | Half-Left: I'm using Sans Serif 10 at the moment |
| 21:19.16 | MoDaX | gnu[f]: maybe text color is the same as background color? |
| 21:19.50 | gnu[f] | MoDaX: no |
| 21:19.56 | Half-Left | That's set by the Plasma theme |
| 21:20.31 | MoDaX | gnu[f]: have you tried changing plasma theme? |
| 21:20.42 | Half-Left | gnu[f]: Just try switching fonts |
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| 21:25.39 | gnu[f] | I forgot to mention ... in the window is only ... No Alerts No action .. sry I did it again until I just noticed |
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| 21:27.33 | gnu[f] | changing plasma or font doesnt fix this |
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| 21:29.24 | shevy | if i compile kde-4.3.3 from source, will my qt-4.* require webkit? |
| 21:30.04 | Half-Left | webkit is optional |
| 21:30.52 | shevy | k thanks Half-Left |
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| 21:32.59 | gnu[f] | it is only kopete chat messages that are not displayed anything is displayed |
| 21:33.46 | Half-Left | That's just weird |
| 21:34.04 | lxnay|two | is there any dev around? i've a small but annoying plasma cache bug |
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| 21:34.26 | Half-Left | lxnay|two: What version? |
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| 21:36.38 | lxnay|two | Half-Left: kde 4.3.3, gentoo (sabayon pkgs) |
| 21:36.54 | Half-Left | What's the issue? |
| 21:37.32 | lxnay|two | Half-Left: when plasma first starts and no cache-`hostname`/plasma-wallpapers cache is available, plasma fails to load wallpaper. |
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| 21:37.58 | lxnay|two | it's just annoying because workarounding it means shipping pre-created plasma-wallpapers cache |
| 21:38.02 | lxnay|two | or fix the bug ;) |
| 21:38.20 | Half-Left | Try asking in #plasma |
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| 21:38.28 | lxnay|two | Half-Left: ok, thx |
| 21:39.28 | gnu[f] | hm i disable the notifiaction of kopete *arg* |
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| 22:08.53 | hsa2 | hello everyone |
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| 22:09.45 | hsa2 | i am trying kde 4.3.3, i am thinking of switching my gnome with kde |
| 22:09.50 | hsa2 | but i need help |
| 22:10.46 | cb400f | you can't get any help until you state what your problems are |
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| 22:11.11 | hsa2 | while opening a new window, a shiny white layer comes first instead of window for a very short time, than window comes |
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| 22:17.23 | Half-Left | hsa2: Sounds like slow graphics drivers |
| 22:17.32 | hsa2 | Half-Left: nvidia gt220m |
| 22:19.45 | serenity | about kde-repositioning: http://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2009/11/24/kde-mit-neuer-identitaet/ (german) |
| 22:21.40 | serenity | seems we are the first (execept blogs) |
| 22:22.36 | Half-Left | hsa2: Which NVIDIA driver are you using? |
| 22:23.01 | hsa2 | Half-Left: the one published by nvidia v190.42 |
| 22:24.26 | Half-Left | hsa2: http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA |
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| 22:24.52 | hsa2 | Half-Left: i tried it |
| 22:25.05 | Half-Left | Then you're out of luck |
| 22:25.09 | hsa2 | LOL |
| 22:25.18 | hsa2 | it's great to hear it #kde |
| 22:25.40 | Half-Left | Blame NVIDIA |
| 22:25.58 | hsa2 | why? |
| 22:26.14 | hsa2 | in gnome i also use compositing and window effects |
| 22:26.25 | Half-Left | Because their driver is not optimal for KDE4 |
| 22:26.30 | hsa2 | LOL |
| 22:27.05 | Half-Left | Why is it so hard to believe? It's already been proven |
| 22:27.25 | hsa2 | while kde4 is being written, nvidia was same |
| 22:27.57 | hsa2 | if someone is writing a code, check what users do have |
| 22:28.09 | hsa2 | you can't simply sit and write code independently |
| 22:28.17 | Half-Left | NVIDIA acknowledged the fact that their driver doesn't accelerate the rendering as good as it should do |
| 22:28.18 | reavertm | still it delivers the best driver for kde |
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| 22:28.31 | hsa2 | ati sucks |
| 22:28.36 | hsa2 | nvidia doesn't work well |
| 22:28.36 | pinotree | different graphics code can lead to different execution paths in the actual graphic driver |
| 22:28.43 | hsa2 | what we should buy? |
| 22:28.51 | hsa2 | so produce a kde4 graphics card |
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| 22:30.27 | hsa2 | thanks for all your helps, i hope you see the irony in sentence |
| 22:31.17 | Half-Left | Linux graphics drivers have always been far from ideal |
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| 22:32.59 | subito | hi, how can i launch firefox so that the flash app games 'interprets' my keyboard as a qwerty one? i'm on kubuntu 9.10 |
| 22:34.28 | Half-Left | Firefox is not a KDE app so will act different |
| 22:34.32 | Erthe | Half-Left: Actually, both major GPU manufacturers are producing bad drivers for any OS atm |
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| 22:34.55 | Erthe | subito: Ya, that's a Firefox question, not a Kubuntu question. |
| 22:35.41 | Half-Left | Erthe: Well Windows and OS X don't have shitty resizing speeds and 2D performance |
| 22:35.59 | subito | Erthe: it's in the intersection |
| 22:36.30 | Erthe | I haven't had one card manufacturer in the last three years impress me. |
| 22:36.35 | Erthe | There's always something wrong with any of them. |
| 22:36.50 | Half-Left | Driver wise, yeah |
| 22:37.19 | Half-Left | Older drivers seem to be the best |
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| 22:37.37 | Erthe | It really says something about hardware manufacturers when they can't manage to build a reference driver that properly makes use of their hardware. |
| 22:37.48 | Erthe | It's sad, is all. |
| 22:37.59 | jf2 | I'm pretty happy with my intel gfx, is that not a major producer? ^_^ :P |
| 22:38.35 | Erthe | Intel gfx cards are usable. |
| 22:38.58 | Half-Left | That's why we need a opensource version |
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| 22:39.20 | jf2 | nods. |
| 22:39.48 | Half-Left | Then someone can find the time to optimise it better for KDE4 |
| 22:39.48 | Erthe | It would be nice, I agree, if the hardware companies would simply spend the little bit of extra coin it costs to hire a developer who'll make it work. |
| 22:39.58 | Erthe | But their margins probably aren't great. |
| 22:40.03 | jf2 | was struggling with proprietary radeon drivers before. |
| 22:40.33 | Half-Left | Nouveau is getting there |
| 22:40.59 | Half-Left | Already has good 2d speed and KMS support |
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| 22:41.28 | Half-Left | Get this; |
| 22:41.56 | Half-Left | NVIDIA said that KMS was design not to work well with binaries |
| 22:43.32 | Half-Left | (Kernel Modsetting) |
| 22:43.40 | jf2 | I feel a bit disappointed that volunteers have to work in order to make the companies hardware with so little help. (or has that changed?) |
| 22:44.04 | Half-Left | This is what Linux has struggled with |
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| 22:44.44 | Erthe | More and more software companies are trying to support Linux. |
| 22:45.10 | Half-Left | It's better that's for sure |
| 22:45.33 | szal | but most hardwaremakers don't make a deliberate effort towards that direction |
| 22:45.35 | Erthe | When I started on RedHat in '99, it was like pulling teeth just to get my sound card to work. |
| 22:45.49 | Erthe | Now most of this stuff is detected pretty easily. |
| 22:45.56 | jf2 | Erthe: hehe, been there. |
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| 22:47.01 | Half-Left | Yeah but now Wi-Fi is the problem |
| 22:47.01 | Erthe | That was the KDE 0.9x days for me. |
| 22:47.10 | jf2 | still, I do investigate the sound & network chip before buying new motherboard today. |
| 22:47.15 | Erthe | It was ugly, buggy and not quite right, but I loved it :D |
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| 22:49.13 | jf2 | I didn't know about KDE or Gnome by then. Had only floppies to get my linux software installed with, got so far to a working X, and played XEvil. |
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| 22:54.33 | qqqqqqqq19 | hi, i have problems build pkde4 complaining about sip: Unable to find file "abstractaudiooutput.sip", but i only have /usr/share/sip/phonon/abstractaudiooutput.sip |
| 22:54.36 | qqqqqqqq19 | after making softlinks in /usr/share/sip/ and /usr/include/ it compiled though |
| 22:54.59 | qqqqqqqq19 | is that a bug or did i break something? |
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| 23:16.03 | Kenjiro | hello there |
| 23:16.25 | Kenjiro | guys, is anyone here being able to use that "search" inside of dolphin correctly? |
| 23:16.55 | Kenjiro | I have, for example, a "test.txt" file on my $HOME. I open dolphin, click on that "search" field, type "test.txt" and it finds nothing |
| 23:17.12 | Kenjiro | any hints? |
| 23:17.17 | Erthe | Not I. |
| 23:18.18 | Erthe | I don't typically use Dolphin for file searching though. |
| 23:18.18 | Erthe | Find is faster. |
| 23:18.57 | qqqqqqqq19 | and locate even faster |
| 23:19.07 | Erthe | Yup. |
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| 23:19.17 | Kenjiro | Erthe: I kindda believe you guys |
| 23:19.36 | Kenjiro | but... that "search" should work right? otherwise, why bother to have that? |
| 23:20.26 | Erthe | Well I get a NEPOMUK error. |
| 23:21.15 | Kenjiro | which kind? |
| 23:21.55 | Kenjiro | I ask that because when i "search" in dolphin I don't get ANYTHING, even an error :( |
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| 23:23.26 | Kenjiro | the closest to an error that I manage to get is when I try to Enable Strigi Desktop File Indexer o systemsettings. Then it shows "Strigi service is not running" |
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| 23:23.44 | Kenjiro | then I issue a "ps ax | grep strigi" and there it is, the daemon IS running |
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| 23:26.02 | Kenjiro | it's kindda hard to try and convince the "regular computer user" to switch to Linux when a simple stuff like that doesn't work decently |
| 23:26.27 | Kenjiro | those kinds of users don't like to open a terminal and type "locate FILE" :( |
| 23:26.42 | sliguykyle | :( that's depressing |
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| 23:26.58 | Erthe | I might have a fix for you Kenjiro |
| 23:27.28 | Kenjiro | Erthe: please, shoot it ;) |
| 23:27.47 | kernco | I'm getting the error "Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2)" when trying to log into either KDE or Gnome from kdm. I can log into both successfully from gdm. |
| 23:27.55 | Kenjiro | Erthe: don't tell me to run Vista or Win7 LOL |
| 23:28.08 | Kenjiro | (because I know their "search engine" works pretty well) |
| 23:29.06 | Erthe | Yup. |
| 23:29.14 | Erthe | I solved it. |
| 23:29.28 | Erthe | System Settings > Advanced > Desktop Search |
| 23:29.29 | Erthe | Turn on Nepomuk |
| 23:29.33 | Erthe | Tell it what to index |
| 23:29.38 | Erthe | Then load up dolphin again and have fun |
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| 23:30.21 | Erthe | That should be turned on by default, or at least Dolphin should ask you to configure the service when you first try to use it. |
| 23:30.42 | Kenjiro | Erthe: let me try |
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| 23:34.36 | Kenjiro | let me tell to strigi to restart indexing, just to be sure |
| 23:34.52 | Erthe | FYI, I only enabled nepomuk |
| 23:35.47 | Kenjiro | Erthe: yes, I read what you wrote. I did that, applied the changes, fired up dolphin and it still finds NOTHING |
| 23:36.12 | Erthe | For Nepomuk, you have to actually apply a tag or rating first. |
| 23:36.23 | Erthe | Find a file, tag it, then navigate away and search. |
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| 23:36.49 | Kenjiro | ah, if I tag a file or add a comment, it finds it right away |
| 23:37.05 | Kenjiro | but I won't be tagging/commenting every file I have LOL |
| 23:37.11 | Half-Left | Yeah, that's what Nepomuk does :p |
| 23:37.28 | sliguykyle | i'm getting EVERY SINGLE TYPE of session.screen0.<extension> error there could possibly be and KDE wont boot past the splash screen. anyone got any ideas on whats up or how to fix it? D: |
| 23:37.28 | Kenjiro | well... then I am sorry to say, but that is quite useless. |
| 23:37.37 | Erthe | Otherwise use... |
| 23:37.51 | reavertm | finds this completely impractical and useless for now... |
| 23:37.51 | Erthe | CTRL+F |
| 23:37.51 | Erthe | To find files. |
| 23:37.52 | Half-Left | Why not tag pictures with something? |
| 23:37.58 | Erthe | You can perform nepomuk searches there too |
| 23:38.07 | Kenjiro | (unless you tag/comment every "interesting" file you have) |
| 23:38.25 | Half-Left | You can tag them from Gwenview |
| 23:39.01 | Erthe | That search box is not for file system searching, as far as I can tell. |
| 23:39.08 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: I have loads of old files (mostly txt files). Sometimes I want to find a file with, for example, the string "blablabla" in it (because I remembered that string and I know that files has other information I am needing) |
| 23:39.25 | Half-Left | That's what Strigi does |
| 23:39.26 | reavertm | Half-Left: you're bad advocate - main advantage is automatic semantic tagging |
| 23:39.40 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: for me strigi is not working decently |
| 23:39.53 | Kenjiro | it is not indexing my TXT files, for example |
| 23:40.08 | Half-Left | reavertm: How so? |
| 23:40.18 | Kenjiro | even if I mess with its configuration and tell it to add "*.txt" files on the indexing |
| 23:40.41 | reavertm | Half-Left: how many files have you manually tagged purposely? |
| 23:41.01 | Half-Left | I'm just saying you can tagg files |
| 23:41.34 | reavertm | and I'm saying virtually nobody is interested in such feature |
| 23:42.12 | reavertm | and unfortunately strigi indexer is too slow to be practical for now |
| 23:42.28 | Erthe | It's a handy way to find files if you actually take the time to tag them and you're very disorganized with the way you store your data. :D |
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| 23:43.06 | Half-Left | reavertm: I don't see where you're coming from |
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| 23:44.10 | awidegreen | hej. i want to write a desktop service menu - my problem is the Exec-entry in the action-section. I want to execute %u ("Exec=%u"). The problem is, after the given program (from %u) returns, i get the message that "%u could not be found". Any idea how to solve this behaviour, maybe using krunner via dbus to start it :) ? |
| 23:44.17 | reavertm | Half-Left: precise your question :) |
| 23:44.19 | Kenjiro | Erthe: i agree, but only when you start tagging new files. Like "ok, now I have this nepomuk thingy, so I will tag my files from now on". |
| 23:44.52 | Kenjiro | but then some Kenjiro has LOADS of old files (more than 5 years)... I don't have time to tag all those files |
| 23:45.22 | Half-Left | reavertm: Gwenview can tag pictures using Neopuk and then the whole system will see these tags |
| 23:45.33 | Half-Left | Nepomuk* |
| 23:46.15 | Half-Left | So rather then rename files from your camera, you can tagg them instead |
| 23:46.33 | reavertm | yes, of course, it usually works, unless it doesn't :P and it's a bit too slow in my taste to be practical as of *now* |
| 23:46.58 | Half-Left | Once tagged in Gwenview, Dolphin can see these tags via the search |
| 23:47.02 | reavertm | virtuoso should solve some memory issues I hope |
| 23:47.45 | reavertm | besides.. |
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| 23:48.01 | Half-Left | file names are irrelevant since tagging them sorts that |
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| 23:50.11 | Kenjiro | so... dolphin is integrated with nepomuk, right? Not with strigi? |
| 23:51.06 | Half-Left | Should be both |
| 23:51.44 | reavertm | I'm rather dissing implementation a bit, not an idea - soprano uses redland memory storage, still for data persistency it recomments another storage technology - used to be sesame2, now (trunk) virtuoso |
| 23:51.51 | Half-Left | Last time I used it, things got indexed |
| 23:52.16 | Kenjiro | when I use strigiclient, I can search for, let's say, "half-left" and it will find that string in my irc logs |
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| 23:52.37 | Half-Left | Adn Krunner |
| 23:52.39 | Half-Left | and* |
| 23:52.54 | Kenjiro | let me try and find in dolphin a way for it to use strigi for those searches |
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| 23:53.38 | reavertm | now.. if you throw akonadi into the mix - it prefers, well.. mysql server, so I'm just waiting for klipper or konqueror to require some database server to store clipboard items/history sidebar :P |
| 23:54.02 | Half-Left | When I tried it in 4.3, it found all files, so I typed .png and it shown them all pretty much instantly |
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| 23:54.43 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: where? That "built-in search" or inside the "Ctrl+F"? |
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| 23:55.05 | Half-Left | In the Dolphin search bar |
| 23:55.08 | Half-Left | on the right |
| 23:55.25 | reavertm | and ether strigi or nepomuk locks on my pdf collection and sometimes locks dolphin -> hence impractical for me |
| 23:56.04 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: well, it just doesn't work for me |
| 23:56.15 | Kenjiro | it only finds files I have tagged/commented |
| 23:56.55 | Half-Left | Has Strigi indexed properly? |
| 23:57.19 | Kenjiro | should have |
| 23:57.52 | Kenjiro | using strigiclient, as I said, i can find the "half-left" string. Using that "search" in dolphin it doesn't |
| 23:58.16 | Half-Left | http://www.youtube.com/user/GIMPMan1972#p/a/u/0/w_wPbGQksnE |
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