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00:10.34cjaeHi, I love the new kde and was wondering how  konqueror is dong now since using firefox in kde seems like a waste, but I am so reliant on the firefox addons, I am just wondering if anyone can give me some info (other kde borswer, possible firefox addon intergration in konq, etc...)
00:12.52dashcloudthere's several other early stage qt/and or kde based browsers- arora and rekonq are 2 I can think of
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00:26.44cjaedashcloud: thanks
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00:40.29dansushii'm using knetworkmanager to be able to connect to wireless networks, but I would like to be able to make it so that when I connect my computer to a wired network, I have a static IP. I've tried changing it in KDE Control Center, but no matter what I do, it goes back to DHCP. Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening?
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00:45.19sabinef72hello there
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00:46.21sabinef72i just upgraded my debian from kde3.5 to kde4.3.2
00:46.32sabinef72and i can't find how to configure wireless network
00:46.40sabinef72(i just ran wpa_supplicant manually)
00:46.53sabinef72i try knetworkmanager , but this display nothing
00:47.12sabinef72what is the way to configure wireless network in kde4?
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00:52.48oneforallnot sure whats doing it . But kde,xfce etc when I do startx the cpu fan starts to run so darn fast. When I leave x it instantaneously drops to quiet again .
00:53.10oneforallbeen that way for a while . but now its time to find out :)
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01:21.12rogersman1hey all, every time I launch lancelot menu, all minimised windows are restored...can i change this "feature" ? thanx
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02:02.56sreichdoes anyone know if there is some kind of "cache" that I can clear that stores the plasmoids I have...there seem to be false-references for plasmoids...
02:03.07sreiche.g. I try to add a certain plasmoid, but it doesn't exist
02:03.20sreichor I removed google gadgets, but the plasmoid adder is still there
02:03.32lmurrayaseigo, I provided a patch to glc to make it work in KWin. So it should work :P
02:03.44sreichoo cool
02:03.48sreichwonders what glc is like..
02:04.11sreichit serves the same prpose as recordmydesktop, correct
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02:04.29lmurrayYeah, except it intercepts the OpenGL stream instead of the X framebuffer
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02:05.06sreichcool
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02:47.17clearycan anyone tell me how to add a plasma activity workspace in 4.3.2?
02:47.35clearyI remember doing it in ~4.1 days, but I just can't work it out now
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02:52.47daumhey guys this is weird, just recently when i go and hit alt+f2 it isn't bringing up the 'run' prompt, kde4
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02:54.08daumwhat is that prompt call i wonder if it is running somewhere and weirdly minimized
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02:57.32daumall the other alt+XX keys are working
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03:00.27yao_ziyuankde's default desktop can look like: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=114823
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03:02.30Ender2070yao_ziyuan - ewww i hope not
03:02.58erik-kHi, I'm having a problem with kde after 1. Installing libxcb 1.6, 2. killing the old .so because I thought stuff was up-to-date, then migrating back and upgrading again to recover it
03:03.06Ender2070yao_ziyuan - riddled with gtk apps = bad, and the mac rip off theme is badly done
03:03.16erik-kI'm getting things like "klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_pop3'."
03:03.32erik-kEven though I've reinstalled everything I can find that relates to kioslaves
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03:08.05yao_ziyuanEnder2070: i don't mean kde should include gtk apps
03:08.26yao_ziyuanEnder2070: i do hope there can be original window buttons
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03:29.29Ender2070yao_ziyuan - that theme is quite old, or at least its a remake of one quite old
03:29.42Ender2070yao_ziyuan - i ran something like than on win2k with windowblinds
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03:31.30yao_ziyuanEnder2070: i know.
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03:46.07pg1054Do KDE text apps -- for e.g. Kate -- support clickable file:/// links?  Certainly, file:/// is recognized in file dialogs, URI fields, etc.  But, afaict, Kate -- at least by default -- doesn't recognize file:///xxx as a URI.
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04:02.52tsimpsonpg1054: kate is an text editor, not a "word processor"
04:03.02tsimpsonit's just used for editing text files
04:04.10pg1054tsimpson: and bbedit on OSX is "just used for editing text files", and it has clickable file:/// URIs.  what's your point?
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04:04.57Dhraakellianponders
04:04.59tsimpsonpg1054: why would you want to click a link while *editing* a file?
04:05.07tsimpsonwhen reading/displaying, sure, but not editing
04:06.42pg1054tsimpson: to include reference to another file that i can conveniently open, even in a comment line.  been doing it for years ... just asking if its possible heare, not debating whether it's a good idea.
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04:07.36tsimpsonit's not a feature currently in kate, if you think it's a good idea you should file a wishlist bug at http://bugs.kde.org
04:09.36pg1054That's all I needed to know. Thx.
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04:16.39localnnuser__hello... my kde kscreensaver doesnt work
04:16.45localnnuser__i mean automatically it doesnt start
04:16.57localnnuser__ive checked on system settings and everything seems to be ok
04:17.01localnnuser__i dont know what im missing
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04:17.04localnnuser__any help?
04:19.21localnnuser__please help me ouy!!
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05:48.06solidus-riverhey, guys i'd like to report a bug. The xine backend for phonon does not use dmix
05:48.13solidus-riveris this a known bug?
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06:41.32aucahuasihi pinotree i found that okular doesn't work with poppler 0.12.1 ... that was why i could'n see my pdf docs
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06:42.05aucahuasiworks fine with poppler-0.10.5 :)
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06:54.53carmelitaHello, can someone please tell me how to make kontact(kmail) to check my spelling? I have tried with no success, and all what I find in Google is too old.
06:55.12carmelitaI'm using Kubuntu 9.10 and Kontact 2.2.0.
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06:55.51carmelitakmail 1.12.2
06:57.59Ender2070do you get the left click bug in firefox too
06:58.02Ender2070?
06:59.25Ender2070carmelita - right click the text box of where you are typing and chose "automatic spell check"
06:59.41Ender2070"auto spell check" actually
06:59.42carmelitaEnder2070: I did that long time ago with no success
07:00.03Ender2070working for me, i got kde 4.3
07:01.03carmelitaEnder2070: Me too, I got Kubuntu 9.10 with KDE 4.3.2,  Kontact 2.2.0, kmail 1.12.2
07:01.36carmelitaEnder2070: I have my installation in spanish, maybe I have to install some extra packages for it to work
07:01.54Ender2070carmelita - im using fedora 11 w/ kde 4.3.2 and kmail 1.12.2 english
07:02.38carmelitaEnder2070: Could you please check for me which spell checkers do you have installed?=
07:03.09Ender2070English (United States of America)
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07:03.22Ender2070if you manually run spell check, does it show a language?
07:03.31carmelitaEnder2070: mmmmm, I mean specifically, aspell, ...?
07:03.38Ender2070no
07:03.46Ender2070if you right click and chose spell check
07:03.56Ender2070if you right click and chose "check spelling"
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07:04.42Ender2070you might want to ask in #kubuntu too
07:04.45Ender2070it might be a bug
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07:09.30carmelitaEnder2070: Nothing happens, I'm already asking in Kubuntu, but nobody answers there
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07:09.53carmelitaI right clicked and nothing, I wrote a lot of stuff wrong on purpose
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07:20.38arkaschaI get a "no handler found for application/zip" and konqueror crashes when trying to download a zip package from a gallery cart module. Firefox behaves ok. Using kde-4.3.3@opensuse-11.1. Any ideas ?!?
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07:20.56muep__unpack with unzip
07:21.12arkaschamuep__: "konqueror crashes"
07:21.39arkaschaI checked the file associations, all fine, I can open zip packages from the file system without any problem.
07:21.41muep__maybe konqueror tries to open it with some app?
07:21.55arkaschamuep__: that's why it says "no handle" ?
07:21.56muep__I'd suspect you have a distro problem there
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07:22.04arkaschamuep__: sure
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07:23.01muep__does it happen with a fresh user account?
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07:23.54arkaschamuep__: I want to find out what happens. I am not the "try as many things as you can think of and call yourself a guru then" type.
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07:24.31muep__trying with a fresh user profile would help finding out if it's just borked settings
07:24.50arkaschamuep__: no, it wont. but thanks for your attempt.
07:25.14muep__I think it would
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07:25.37muep__if you want more technical ways to debug it, #kde-devel might have better answers
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07:33.51lubomirhello
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07:34.26lubomiri am using kde 4.3.2 and the battery simbol is missing
07:35.05lubomiri always have to look at /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state to look up how much battery i have
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07:35.21lubomirwith kde 4.2 everything was fine
07:36.02beersgood morning
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07:36.02arkaschalubomir: it does exist, I use a plasmoid for it. Called "Battery Monitor".
07:36.44lubomirarkascha, how did you call it?
07:37.07arkaschalubomir: you add the plasmoid to your desktop. Use the kidney (top right corner) and "add widget".
07:37.39arkaschalubomir: you can drag the plasmoid wherever you want it to, you can resize it, put it to a panel, and, *tada*, you can even remove it again !
07:38.16lubomirarkascha, okay. found it
07:38.30arkaschalubomir: have fun !
07:38.40lubomirwhy is it not default on when notebook on battery?
07:40.41lubomirbye arkascha .thanks
07:40.57arkaschalubomir: because there are about 20 different battery monitory maybe ?!?
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07:47.27DumbleHello world !
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07:53.20Ender2070error
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07:59.46ElvanorI have installed a System Monitor widget. Each time I reboot and login, I get additional widgets corresponding to the individual panes of the system monitor that I activated.
08:00.05ElvanorIs this a known bug? (I have to close those extra widgets at every boot, making it painful)
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08:09.49arkaschawhere does kdevelop hold it's language highlighting definitions ? Got to add an own one...
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08:13.53arkaschaah: http://www.kate-editor.org/article/writing_a_kate_highlighting_xml_file
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08:13.59Wizzirhi!
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08:14.17Wizziranybody interested in testing kde1 i near future?
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08:18.05muep__KDE 1?
08:18.31psteynHi guys, my kmail inbox shows 1 new message but I can't seem to find it in my inbox
08:18.43psteynis there a way to show only unread mail / search for unread mail?
08:18.53psteynthis is kde 4.3.2
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08:33.07Wizzirmuep__: yes, kde1
08:33.22Wizziri'm working on gcc4 port
08:33.51Wizziri've already ported qt1 and kdeelibs
08:33.58Wizzirand few apps from kdebase
08:34.01muep__just for fun?
08:34.04bigbrovarHi guys am wondering if there is a way to integrate google calendar with kde PIM
08:34.06Wizziryes
08:34.28muep__sounds cool, I'd try it if I had enough spare time...
08:34.37muep__:-)
08:35.15Wizzirwhen i finish with kdebase porting i'll try to run it
08:35.32Wizzirkfm works, and that's promising
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08:37.58Wizziri'm not sure if somebody would wan't to use kde1 now :P
08:38.24Wizzirbut it reminds me my first steps with linux
08:39.05muep__I never used KDE 1, but tried KDE 2 for a few hours on Debian 3.0
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08:39.37Wizzirnah, i remember beginnings of kde2 and people saying: no, i'm staying with kde1 :P
08:39.53Wizzirjust like with kde3->kde4 last days
08:39.54Wizzir:P
08:40.01Wizzirlast months*
08:40.59muep__yeah, it's a common pattern
08:41.04muep__also outside KDE
08:42.33Wizziryup
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08:44.18BlackShiftas I recall it was not easy to use 1 and 2 (or 3) at the same time since they all shared the same ~/.kde directory
08:45.39Wizziryeah, and i think many config files where "shared"
08:45.59BlackShiftwhich delayed my university from upgrading (it was kinda annoying when you realized that you logged into a machine that only had kde1, messing up your kde2 configuration..)
08:46.18BlackShiftbut apparently this has changed :)
08:47.39Wizzirnah, .kde is hardcoded somewhere, i think
08:47.57Wizziri have to check it
08:48.05Wizzirthanks for pointing that out
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08:48.20BlackShiftnow there is a .kde4 I mean
08:48.40Wizziri wonder if it is legal to release patched kde1 to the public
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08:49.52muep__isn't .kde still the default config location for KDE 4?
08:50.28Wizziri don't know
08:50.35Wizziri use ubuntu/debian packages
08:50.44muep__I thought the .kde4 alternative is mostly a distro-specific workaround
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08:55.41xdan779muep__: the default kde home dir is set when configuring kdelibs
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08:59.08Wizzirxdan779: also in previous versions?
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09:01.06xdan779Wizzir: yes, if you use distro built packages it will depends on how they configured and built them. The default dir is ~/.kde
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09:01.27Wizzirxdan779: i port kde1..
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09:03.41xdan779Wizzir: port kde1 to what
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09:04.37bigbrovarhi guys is it possible to integrate kde PIM with google calendar (I have been googling for this all morning it would be nice to know if its a fruitless search)
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09:22.07oneforalldamn this trying to change bgs is a task and a half :(
09:23.42oneforallwhy is it whe  you zoom you end up with an extra 1 and there is just no way to change the order. number 1 desktop is 3 now and I end up with one that has 4 pieces of each bg on it and lost that top right peanut . the I look and it on thecorner of one of the pieces that should be desktop 3
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09:26.19RhapsodyIt's part of the new style of interface in KDE 4. It's like KDE 3, but it does less and takes more time. It's better... somehow.
09:28.37pontoHow can I disable sound output in KDE4?  In KDE3 I just disabled the sound server.
09:28.42oneforallnot to me right now to just change destop bg . Its driving me nuts . now it put everything I had on the main desktop 1 to desktop 3 :(
09:30.01oneforallit still has that extra one when you zoom and now way to find out how to get the red xto delete them . there is always only 1 that does and no way of know how it got it and how to delete the ones you want etc
09:30.09oneforalldriving me nuts here
09:32.05oneforallhow do i get desktop 3 to be desktop 1 again . I really hope to hell I don't have to remove all that work just to manually all it all back to the new desktop 1
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09:33.43oneforalldamn this workspace 1 doesn't ewven have the top right peanut O.o
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09:41.26oneforallerr what a fight to get this back . insane to even get it at all :(
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09:42.42oneforallthat how hard it is wwith gnome to change the desktop(workspace) bgs
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09:43.42oneforallI know its to deal with comiz ,or guessing it is but its is really difficult to use for sure
09:43.51oneforallerr compiz*
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09:48.50oneforallif that peanut on the top right is gone what else can you use to get the zoom ? I looked at the panel peanut and didn't see it in there
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09:49.37Half-Left22 seconds from grub to desktop, nice!
09:50.14oneforalldamn thats toom slow it shoudl only tak 1
09:50.16oneforall:)
09:50.26Half-Lefthaha
09:50.28oneforallok 1 and a half
09:50.36Half-LeftDream on :)
09:50.48oneforallyeah dreams are perfect :)
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09:51.36Half-LeftKDE4 takes about 4 seconds to load up, fastest I've seen
09:52.32oneforallhp-systray in the new hplip is fixed for that adding -s
09:53.01oneforallbut when it runs its still getting a segfault with libX11 .
09:53.20oneforallhave 1.2.2 of that upgraded it and recompiled hp and still same
09:53.44Half-LeftYeah, I have that, pretty decent tool for printing setup
09:53.53oneforallsome of the things I patched apps are loading in a flash ;)
09:54.02oneforalleven ff with 64tabs :)
09:54.31oneforallother than the normal waiting for page connections
09:55.28Half-LeftI like to use Chromium, it's much faster
09:55.43oneforallhmm that reminds me I need to close that hp-systray and call it from konsole .
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09:57.25Half-Leftoneforall: To answer your question, yes you can only zoom out with the Plasma toolbox.
09:57.52oneforallthat top right peanut
09:57.59Half-Leftyep
09:58.08Half-LeftIf you see it like that
09:58.12oneforallwhen its gone then its a bit hard eh :)
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09:59.19oneforallyeah when I was zoomed outy and changing the bg one of the desktops it was gone
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09:59.31oneforallwhen I zoomed out
09:59.40oneforallall other 3 had it
10:00.31oneforallThen Thats desktop it was gone had all 4 bgs like you see in zoom mode and I finallt seen it was on the corner of the one for desktop 3 . It was all out of wack
10:00.59oneforallall of a sudden desktop 1 was 3 and it still kept desktop 3 bg O.o
10:01.13bigbrovaroneforall> I really dont use the zoom activiy thingie. imho its still not as easy and straight forward as it should be.
10:01.40oneforallit was so much nicer to just open the desktop setting and pick the bg. then in the drop down change to desktop 2 and so on :)
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10:02.22bigbrovarhi guys is it possible to integrate kde PIM with google calendar (I have been googling for this all morning it would be nice to know if its a fruitless search)
10:02.26Half-LeftJust use the switcher widget then
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10:03.19Half-Left"Activity Bar"
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10:04.56oneforallwhast the dashboard ?
10:05.11QwertyMbigbrovar: there's a way via GCALDaemon, as explained in this article: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/122054
10:05.35QwertyMoneforall: a special view for all active desktop widgets?
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10:05.54sidhgreetings gentlemen
10:05.55bigbrovarQwertyM> thanks
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10:06.15QwertyMbigbrovar: but do note that its not two-way sync'd yet, google does not support that I think :)
10:06.26Half-Leftoneforall: It's a separate desktop layer just for widgets
10:06.26oneforallI just selected that widget and don't see what its really for :)
10:06.54bigbrovarQwertyM> fair enough then as long as it works (one way)
10:07.09sidhamarok has problem to play songs that have accentuated char in their name whereas xmms (for exemple ) play them well, is there something to configure in amarok to solve that ?
10:07.31oneforallhmm diplay your vaf picture. I think the wife would get mad
10:07.35oneforall:)
10:07.41Half-Leftsidh: Ask in #amarok
10:07.43oneforallvaf/fav
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10:09.16sidhHalf-Left: i have the same problem in Dolphin where the fies name with accent are badly displayed, but i can open them with apps though
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10:11.55oneforallhmm I see it dload something from flickr , but doesn't display it
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10:15.10oneforallhmm interesting will have to try out that pastebin.ca widget
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10:16.31QwertyMoneforall: I love that widget, and its best kept on the panel ;) Though right now imageshack seems to be failing..
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10:16.51oneforallhmm yeah that sounds better than the desktop thanks
10:17.32Half-Leftalways keeps it in the panel too
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10:22.22oneforallany one else using a nvidia 980GTX+ ?
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10:28.50oneforallah crap that kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/hp-systray  ^[[31;01merror: option -s not recognized^[[0m is still there :(
10:29.16oneforallwish I knew what exactly was doing that and adding this -s
10:29.23oneforallother than its to do with hp-systray
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10:29.44oneforallbut the hp-systray.descktop doesn't have -s
10:29.50oneforalldesktop*
10:30.21oneforallI looked int he hp-systray and no -s in there either O.o
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10:50.42roosterHi guys - at some point recently my tab key stopped letting apps use it - for example, in Konversation, when I hit tab when typing a nick, I don't get autocomplete, instead my focus moves to the next window element
10:51.08roosterany pointers where I can look for a setting or resource to find out what's going on?
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10:58.19ddhanasekarI am running Fedora 11 KDE . My Desktop switcher is vanished.How can I get it back .How can I switch the multiple Desktop.
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11:00.21QwertyMddhanasekar: right click the panel, go to panel options -> add widgets -> choose the Pager widget and add it
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11:01.36ddhanasekarThanks I got the Desktop panel.Is there any shortcut key for switch over the multiple Desktop
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11:03.47Bouddhanasekar: system settings > keyboard > global shortcuts > Kwin component
11:03.57Bouddhanasekar: you can set up the shortcuts there
11:03.59JordanCHey there folks, has anyone here had any luck building in the PHP support for KDevelop?
11:04.10Bounot sure they are set up by default (and may depend on your distro)
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11:04.35BouJordanC: try on #kde-devel you might find more devs there
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11:07.23JordanCBou: Okay, thanks
11:08.34ddhanasekarok  thnaks
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11:09.19ddhanasekarhow to set the shorcut key for Show Desktop panel
11:09.49roosterHate to bump - but has anyone got any tips at all on my strange tabbing issue?
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11:20.15Bourooster: weird, don't you have some global keyboard shortcut that would overlap?
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11:23.36roosterBou, I just tried resetting all keyboard shortcuts to default - no luck
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11:27.04Bou:( i can't help much sorry
11:28.40JordanCOkay, I've got a guide to build this in
11:28.42roosterBou: No probs
11:28.51JordanCBut the author suggests using "cs" to compile
11:28.54JordanCcs is "csound"
11:29.02geo27Hello ! Does anyone know if it is possible to configure kmail so that a filter on a mail would not only move a mail in appropriate folder, but also interract with a job (create or modify one) ?
11:29.02JordanCHas this been replaced?
11:29.25BouJordanC: you miss a special script :)
11:29.42Boucs is a custom command, that allows you to quickly Change to Source directory :)
11:29.58BouJordanC: which page is the guide on?
11:30.01JordanCAha, where do I grab this from>?
11:30.08JordanChttp://milianw.de/blog/building-kdevplatform-kdevelop-and-the-php-plugin-from-svn
11:30.12BouJordanC: sec
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11:30.28BouJordanC: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
11:30.36Bouand JordanC : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts
11:30.51Boui think you will find the script in the second link
11:31.02JordanCYeah, I add this to my bashrc?
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11:32.34BouJordanC: there is an example bashrc here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc
11:33.08Boubut JordanC this is a guide for when you want to compile stuff from kde trunk, so maybe you should read the 2 pages totally and adapt it for you
11:33.11Boui can't say much
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11:33.38Bouif you need more help keep asking on #kde-devel , this is were i learnt everything i know about it :)
11:33.43Bouaway for lunch now
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11:54.59oneforallwhat app in kde4 uses python?
11:55.10JordanCLots?
11:55.31oneforalltrying to find other ones to see if I get the same segfault with libX11
11:56.16oneforallhp-systray does it. know another off hand
11:56.47pinotreehp-systray is not an application we ship
11:57.17oneforallyeah I know . just looking for another one to see if I get the same segfault
11:57.37JordanCArgh, kdevplatform takes forever to make
11:58.17oneforallother than python its self I can't think of another app to run :(
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11:59.01oneforallone that uses python and will need libX11
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12:03.27esperegu_how to stop kde to open documents on login that are not available? I keep getting errors from okular and each time I click ok but each login it wants to open them again and displays the same error.
12:04.02pinotreeesperegu_: how did you open those documents? are you leaving okular running when logging out?
12:04.40esperegu_pinotree: I guess I did one time.
12:04.47esperegu_pinotree: but now not anymore.
12:04.53esperegu_pinotree: and it still keeps doing it
12:05.14pinotreeare those okular processes/windows open?
12:05.39esperegu_windows not.
12:05.46pinotreeand still my first question: how did you open those documents at that time? opening them manually in okular itself? launching them from firefox?
12:06.11esperegu_pinotree: I think via google chromium
12:06.25esperegu_pinotree: I see that okular still has 3 processes running
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12:06.34pinotreethen you didn't close them
12:06.38esperegu_pinotree: like this: okular -session 10e5617070000125656691000000041220056_1257334492_722279
12:06.47pinotreeand looks like chromium sucks just like firefox, indeed
12:07.11esperegu_pinotree: how to close them as a normal user when you have no window for it.
12:07.25esperegu_pinotree: will just kill them by hand and hope it's gone then.
12:07.30esperegu_pinotree: thx 4 u help...
12:07.36pinotreehow to? you are asking too late
12:07.56esperegu_pinotree: ?
12:08.26esperegu_shoud have thought of checking the processes himself though..
12:08.29pinotreeyour question "how to close them as a normal user when you have no window for it" cannot be replied now, as you left the problem the first time and let them be saved by the session
12:08.55esperegu_pinotree: well. that's not my fault I would say.
12:09.16esperegu_pinotree: that's either chrome, okular or kde.
12:09.21pinotreeyou could have asked earlier; not it is too late to find out what happened the *first* time
12:09.25esperegu_but a user should be able to do that.
12:09.41esperegu_just close up and later be able to get rid of it without using terminal.
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12:10.01esperegu_well. whatever. fortunately I am able to do it this way. know a lot of user who could not.
12:10.07esperegu_gonna relogin to check
12:10.12esperegu_thx very much pinotree
12:10.42JordanCWow, KDevelop is very pretty :D
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12:11.44esperegupinotree: \o/ so simple and so much better :-). thx again
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12:27.41sxeanyone knows why the kde-apps kde-look rss feeds are offline?
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12:57.35twoutersHi, I'm using kde 4.3.3 on archlinux, but it seems that ksplash is using the default ksplash theme which is provided with 4.2. If I look at the preview it seems to be the correct one, but once I click on "Test Theme" I see the old version.
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13:02.13kwyjiboIs it possible to run KDE 4.3.3 in Windows?
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13:03.38annmawill be on Friday kwyjibo
13:03.42annmahopefully
13:03.49kwyjibowhat happens on friday?
13:04.03annma4.3.3 on Windows
13:04.09annmadidn't you just ask?
13:04.46kwyjiboSo Friday is reserved entirely for the release of KDE 4.3.3 on Windows. Gotcha.
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13:14.25JordanCAhaha
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13:14.37JordanC20 minutes of compiling kdevelop etc
13:14.56JordanCAnd then the php component has a shitload of errors. Nice SVN'ing :/
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13:43.12Buzz|hi
13:43.40Buzz|is it possible to synch kmail's mails/settings/etc. between my laptop and my dekstop computer?
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13:46.59QwertyMmaybe if both can share a same config/local-storage directory this can be possible.. like dropbox or a network folder perhaps
13:47.20QwertyMfor just mails one can use IMAP (if you don't mind re-downloading headers each time?)
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14:01.56Buzz|well imap isn't a solutino for me
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14:02.23shepherdCan someone tell me how to change the color of the text under the icons in my folder views? http://imagebin.ca/view/n2IpSH.html
14:02.31Buzz|dropbox?
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14:08.30LjLwhat possibilities are available currently to obtain an in-panel menubar? (i know about xbar)
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14:15.30Buzz|is dropbox save enough for having his mails and kmail-settings there? what if i'm working offline in kmail and can't access the old mails via kmail?
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14:19.56mathzcan i speak german?
14:20.12Buzz|yep ^^
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14:21.06mathzok, ich ahbe unter KDe 4 das Problem, dass die "automatuschen2 icons von programmen wie pidgin nicht angezeigt werden....
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14:22.28pinotreeno, there's #kde.de for german; english in this channel, please
14:22.57mathzoh, sorry
14:26.24mathzat the bottom in the panel, i want icons from programs like pidgin or konversation
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14:27.26mathzi activated the icons in the preferences but there is not a icon...
14:27.35mathzCan anybody help me
14:28.10Buzz|hm
14:28.39mathzi have the problem in konversation and pidgin....
14:28.51mathzand i use sidux with KDE 4
14:28.59Schorfiyou want the icons in the "schnellstarterleiste" or in the tray?
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14:29.46Raptelanhey guys, I'm trying to compile kdesupport on debian lenny, and I'm getting a missing OpenGL error: "OpenGL support is required to compile the gstreamer backend for Phonon"
14:29.57Raptelananybody know what package I need to install to make it work?
14:30.16mathzi don't know, what ist the tray?
14:30.28sahkoRaptelan: i think mesa
14:32.29mathzwhen i activate the icons in the preferences of pidgin, i cant the the icons
14:32.36Buzz|other ways to have same mails and setting with kmail on laptop and dekstop pc?
14:33.01mathzi can't see the icon anywhere
14:33.10mathzit's a big problem...
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14:34.40pontoannma: how can I try another window manager with kde4?    I've checked my performance issues and within  xfce the kde 4 applications run fine. Only within the native kde4 environment everything is sluggish.
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14:39.58annmaponto: install another WMthen in SystemSettings in Default Applications you can choose it
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14:40.15pontoannma: thanks. I try it.
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14:42.12Raptelansahko: I already have mesa
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14:43.01Raptelanlibgl1-mesa-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev, and mesa-common-dev packages are installed
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14:44.41sahkoRaptelan: i dont know then
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14:48.17Buzz|when are changes to disconnected imap account in kmail synched to the server?
14:48.25pontoannma: I switched to Metacitiy and now switching between applications is as fast as expected.  Only if plasma is involved it gets slow.  For example:  I have dolphin in front. then I left-click on the desktop. the mouse pointer freezes for half a second and then dolphin looses focus and the mouse pointer moves again.
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14:56.32markus__hy everybody
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14:57.14markus__Everytime I move the mousepointer over a plasmoid the toolbar at the side comes up. Can I prevent that?
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15:03.17cb400fmarkus__: yes.. right click on desktop -> lock widgets
15:03.40annmaponto: so kwinis slow and plasma
15:03.44annmaponto: so kwin is slow and plasma
15:04.20cb400fponto: do you have effects enabled? .. and what gfx card?
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15:06.47sahkodoes -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull create much larger packages and takes much longer to build?
15:07.07annmacb400f: he switched to another WM
15:07.11annmato check
15:07.21annmacb400f: and this is thin client networking
15:07.31cb400foh
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15:09.57markus__cb400f: Thanx. That worked. I love kde4!
15:10.42pontocb400f:  there are no effects enabled.
15:10.50markus__I have one last problem. How can I prevent that I get messages from skype and kopete at the same time for the same event?
15:10.51pontocb400f: if i understand the gui correctly.
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15:11.06pontocb400f: and i do not know how to find out the graphics card in the client machine
15:11.12cb400fexit skype? :-)
15:11.44Half-LeftKopete uses the skype binary, so you can not
15:12.07cb400fmaybe notifications can be disabled in the skype client? .. never used it
15:12.36cb400fyou prolly can't disable skype notifications in kopete without disabling all kopete incoming message notifications
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15:13.17markus__damn ;-) so we have to collect 1.5 billion to free the skype code I guess ;-)
15:13.25pontoannma: is it possible to test kwin without plasma?
15:13.39annmakwin is different from plasma
15:13.48annmayou can test kwin on another desktop
15:13.51cb400f'kquitapp plasma-desktop' if you have 4.3
15:13.57annmaI mean, kde apps with kwin
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15:14.10cb400falt+f2 -> 'plasma-desktop' to restart it after testing
15:14.11annmaor yes, true, kill plasma
15:14.14pontocb400f: I try this.
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15:23.14pontocb400f, annma:  After  killing plasma-desktop with "kquitapp plasma-desktop"  everything was still sluggish.  In my opinion this indicates that kwin causes the problems.
15:23.36annmaso why is it slow as well when no kwin?
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15:24.07annmatry also with Metacity and without plasma
15:24.16pontoannma: without kwin the apps themselves were not slow.  only when plasma came into play.
15:24.31pontoannma: I try it.
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15:29.38pontoannma:  metacity without plasma is fine.  clicking on the background has no effect.
15:30.06annmano
15:30.21pontoannma: metacitiy with plasma has the delay after clicking on the background and  the taskbar is also slow.  the applications are fine.
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15:30.41annmawhat do you click on the background for?
15:30.59pontoannma: just a random click.
15:31.11annmarandom left click?
15:31.17pontoannma: yes.
15:31.28annmawhat about right click
15:31.39pontoif i click on the background by chance i do not expect that the last window looses focus.
15:33.05annmathis is not a thin client bug
15:33.21annmawhat if you right click on the desktop, is the dialog showing OK?
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15:33.31annmathe left click is KWin then
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15:33.42annmaI am trying to see if there is a plasma problem
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15:34.11pontoannma: moment. i have to check this.
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15:36.34plumaI'm trying to add a custom keyboard layout variant to xkb, but it doesn't show up in the system manager (Kxkb?). The help file refers to paths that I don't have (the xkb files are in /usr/share/X11, not /etc/X11 except for xkb/base.xml which is not mentioned in the help file at all and seems to be linked to xkb/rules/xfree86.xml). Help?
15:36.34pontoannma: the dialog appears after a noticable delay.
15:36.40pontoannma: my opinion is now  that both have a problem  kwin and plasma.
15:36.56pontoannma: kwin because there are delays even if plasma is not running and metacitiy is fine.
15:37.09pontoannma: plasma because there are delays when run under metacity.
15:38.47annmaso report to kwin and add that plasma also is in cause. Be sure to detail your setup carefully and the specs of the machines if possible
15:38.53annmaand the distro
15:39.08annmawhat distro is it?
15:39.17pontoannma: opensuse 11.2 rc1
15:39.26annmais it a LTSP distro?
15:39.27pontoannma: but the slowness is also in 11.1
15:39.35pontoannma: what is ltsp?
15:39.40ElvanorI have installed a System Monitor widget. Each time I reboot and login, I get additional widgets corresponding to the individual panes of the system monitor that I activated.
15:39.42ElvanorIs this a known bug? (I have to close those extra widgets at every boot, making it painful)
15:40.25annmaLTSP Linux Terminal Server Project
15:40.48annmait's thin clients support to a linux server, mainly used in schools
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15:41.33pontoannma: no. it is a normal distribution and the client is a normal X11 terminal
15:41.40annmawhat tools do you use for yournetwork?
15:41.43annmanothing special?
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15:42.02pontoannma: no.  I just enable XDMCP on the server and all clients see it.
15:42.11annmahmmm
15:42.19annmais that in an enterprize?
15:42.24annmaor at home only?
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15:43.10pontoannma: university.
15:43.22annmaso you're admin in a uni
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15:43.29pontoannma: we have about 50 clients. they still use kde 3.1
15:43.38annmaso
15:43.39tommydhey there! what is the supposed way to access a samba share mounted from within dolphin in f.e. konsole?
15:43.46tommydis there any way even?
15:43.49pontoannma: and we plan to upgrade now because kde 3.1 is slowly too old.
15:43.51annmaI suggest you ask Suse support for that
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15:44.20annmaand ask them what they would use in your case
15:44.37pontoannma: i can do that.
15:44.37annmaI am sure you're not the first such network in kde4
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15:49.28QwertyMtommyd: try finding the mount point? for devices its usually /media/*, likewise.
15:49.51QwertyMtommyd: cause if its been 'mounted' it has to exist on the fs as a node
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16:07.01AntiXpucThi there... I've some issues about 4.3.74: 1) why menu (kickoff, lancelot) icons on panel now gets small size if panel is bigger, than 48px? 2) how i can swith plasmoid off from new "add plasmoid" panel? I think, that old-type (window) was better :)
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16:11.10plumaTo anybody else out there trying to get their custom keyboard layouts to be recognised: the file is called evdev.xml, xfree86.xml and xorg.xml do nothing.
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16:14.21Half-LeftAntiXpucT: They have stayed a set max size in the panel since 4.2.
16:14.34AntiXpucTno
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16:15.18Half-LeftIcons only re-size to a set size, they don't get bigger after that set size
16:16.44AntiXpucTsince 4.3.64 (or .65) icon gets panel size if panel size <64(or 48, i don't know)px, and if I resize panel to bigger size - icon gets 32px size.
16:17.02AntiXpucTi can make 2 screenshots or try to make video
16:17.20Half-LeftYou using a dev version, things change
16:17.25Half-LeftYou're*
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16:19.08AntiXpucTi know :) but it starts from .64, now is .74... This thing take me thinking that kdededv make it  purposely :)
16:19.54AntiXpucT*kdedevs
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16:23.55Half-LeftHopefully Chromium when it's releases :p
16:24.01azdtthi, is there any way to open .cbr or .cbz files with Gwenview 2.3.2? Gwenview doesn't let me open them directly, Dolphin doesn't let me browse those files like folders, and if I use the Gnome File Roller then Gwenview only let me see the pictures 1 by 1 instead of the full folder.
16:25.47azdttand Ark doesn't give me the option "Open With", it just directly uses its own image viewer
16:26.16Half-LeftYes because it just previews them
16:26.16BCMMazdtt: wikipedia says that .cbr and .cbz are RAR and ZIP respectively
16:26.39BCMMazdtt: so you could just extract them with ark, then view teh resulting directory in gwenview
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16:27.47DuzaKor you could use comix to view them directly
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16:28.42azdttyes BCMM but it's very handy to keep them in archived files
16:28.51BCMMazdtt: also, if you renamed the cbz ones to .zip i think dolphin would browse them like folders
16:29.15azdttDuzaK: I'll try it, Okular can also handle them, but I prefer how Gwenview show pictures
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16:31.20azdttBCMM: I have the preferences setted as "Dolphin Preferences >> Navigation >> Open archives as folder" but Dolphin still spawns Ark :\
16:31.34azdttI think that wasn't the behaviour in the past
16:31.37BCMMazdtt: even with .zip files?
16:31.38reinhold_awayDoes anyone know how I can import an X509 certificate (S/MIME) for email signing into kmail and for login in konqueror with KDE 4.3.2? kleopatra always tells me that it can't handle X509 certificates. BTW, I'm on kubuntu karmic
16:32.03azdttyes I tried renaming it to .rar in this case
16:32.17azdttmaybe it just work with .zip's
16:33.26azdttyes, it seems it only works with .zip files
16:34.14azdttcomix works well, I still prefer Gwenview but it's good enough, thanks
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16:35.52DuzaKwell, comix has the unbeatable doublepage-mode! ^^
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16:49.33maredzekhi, i have a problem with compilikng kdevelop what packages do i miss? http://pastebin.com/m540ad33b
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16:52.56Stalafinhussa! there used to be a plasmoid to activate/deactive compositing (kwin)... what happened to it (kde4.3)? and what was its name... maybe i can find it somewhere
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16:54.34Half-LeftStalafin: Most lightly on kde-look.org
16:56.16StalafinHalf-Left: smart suggestion, i found it :) haha
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17:08.03puchuhi
17:08.08puchuim using kde 4.3.3 and since 4.3.2 i have this problem
17:08.24puchuafter some time of using kde ... kwin seems to crash and i cant change desktops any more
17:08.34puchuthe show alls desktops effect deosnt work any more
17:08.58puchubut the show all sunning apps effect works
17:09.16puchua kwin --replace fixes the problem ... but running kwin --replace really sucks ....
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17:09.42reavertmpuchu: try disable/enable compositing :P
17:09.49puchuhow can i find out whats happening
17:09.53reavertmI think I have similar issue
17:10.05reavertmpuchu: you can't - kwin bug
17:10.08puchui use xorg-server 1.7.1 and nvidia bin drivers
17:10.23puchui thought they maybe fixed this in the new release
17:10.26reavertmpuchu: please fill in a bug report
17:11.01Half-LeftDoes XRender work?
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17:11.09mgraesslinbut please provide more info than here
17:11.19mgraesslinthat doesn't help to identify the problem yet
17:11.26puchui cant select apps on differnt desktops too ... desktop doesnt switch to the desktop the apps is running on ...
17:11.30reavertmmgraesslin: see? there's some other :P
17:11.43puchubut with the show all running apps effect it still works
17:11.48Half-LeftI heard 1.7.1 had issues with the NVIDIA driver
17:12.00reavertmpuchu: does cube effect work when it happens?
17:12.01puchumgraesslin: how can i find out whats happening
17:12.09puchui dont use the cube effect
17:12.24reavertmdesktop grid?
17:12.27puchuno
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17:12.47puchuonly show all running apps + show all running apps on current desktop works
17:12.57Half-Leftpuchu: Does Xrender work?
17:13.15puchuhow can u find out?
17:13.23reavertmHalf-Left: I think he uses opengl compositing (like myself)
17:13.27Half-LeftIn Advanced
17:13.35puchutransparency still works
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17:13.40puchuyeah i use compositing
17:13.48Half-LeftYeah but you need to know if it's kwin or the NVIDIA driver
17:13.57puchuhow do i find out?
17:14.05Half-LeftAs I just said
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17:14.58reavertmpuchu: systemsettings->display->desktop effects->adanced(tab)
17:15.33puchucompositing type opengl
17:15.45puchushould i use xrender?
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17:15.55Half-LeftYes, see if it works
17:16.02puchuyeah it works
17:16.05reavertmif you tolerate unusably slow desktop...
17:16.24puchubut swiching back to opengl right after and it works again .... with opengl
17:16.29Half-LeftIt's just for debugging the issue
17:16.56puchumaybe i should downgrade to 6.5 xserver
17:16.57reavertmpuchu: so it's the same issue I have occasionally
17:17.07puchureavertm: which xserver?
17:17.14puchuand wich nvidia-drivers version?
17:17.17Half-LeftAnd Xrender is not slow, it's actually faster in some respects but you don't get a lot of the features
17:17.31puchuand it uses more cpu time? right?
17:17.48Half-LeftPretty much
17:17.53puchuthat sucks
17:18.11Half-LeftResizing windows is much smoother here
17:18.15reavertmxorg-server-1.6.3.901, nvidia-drivers-173.14.20
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17:18.46puchusu
17:19.17puchuxorg-server-1.7.1 nvidia-drivers-190.42
17:19.21Half-Leftpuchu: If Xrender works as normal then it's most lightly a NVIDIA driver issue
17:19.37puchuHalf-Left it only happens after some hours of usage
17:19.54puchuand sometimes not even in a whole day
17:20.16puchui didnt see this on 4.3.1
17:20.23Half-LeftYou have to proved it's kwin and not the NVIDIA driver, it's know to have issues with the latest XOrg release
17:20.24puchustarted with 4.3.2
17:20.31Half-Leftknown*
17:20.36reavertmHalf-Left: I don't see Xrender thing relevant to any reasoning
17:21.07puchumaybe i should downgrade xorg-server and use  it and see if it happens again
17:21.13Half-Leftreavertm: The NVIDIA driver uses OpenGL, which maybe the source of the issue
17:21.13reavertmHalf-Left: disable/enable compositing switch in kwin 'fixes' this, how about this :)
17:21.29reavertmno, nvidia driver provides opengl, kwin uses
17:21.31puchuor kwin --replace
17:21.39puchualso fixes it
17:22.00puchubut --replace sucks
17:22.06reavertmpuchu: when it happes, try running glxgears or some other opengl app, I'll try the same
17:22.09Half-LeftStill, you have top prove it's Kwin, I don't see any proof :)
17:22.14mgraesslinand what about just twice alt+shift+f12
17:22.18Half-Leftto*
17:22.20puchureavertm: opengl still works
17:22.24reavertmmgraesslin: "fixes"
17:22.27puchutransparency is still  there
17:22.42puchuwhen it happens
17:22.44puchuto me
17:22.58puchuor to be more accurate to my pc ;)
17:23.14reavertm(that's what I do, i do it as well to restore zoom effect, it sometimes refuses to work, like it lost keyboard shortcut or sth)
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17:24.31reavertmissue with zoom effect 'loosing keyboard shortcut' bothers me from a loong time
17:24.41Half-LeftKwin uses OpenGL*
17:24.41reavertmfor*
17:25.08puchuonly see all running apps on current and all desktops still works with desktop switching (when the app is running on another desktop) ... all other switch desktop functions dont work .. (hotkeys,workspaceswitcher)
17:25.32puchudesktopgrid also doesnt work
17:25.45puchua look at this log would be nice :)
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17:27.28Half-LeftTry reinstalling your NVIDIA driver and restart Xorg and see if the issue persists
17:27.35puchudoesnt help
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17:27.57Half-LeftDoes the old driver work?
17:28.20puchudidnt test this
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17:29.00reavertmsince it's not reliable to reproduce...just may happen after some time
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17:29.58reavertmbtw, am I the only one that thinks that one-pixel-size screen corner activators are way too small?
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17:30.43the_madmanreavertm: Possibly, I think they're big enough - they don't have to be very big, given that the corners are generally easier to hit with a mouse.
17:30.45reavertm(I remember lmurray thinking about extending it to lines for 4.3....)
17:31.23reavertmI happen to have problems with activating lower left corner
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17:40.41puchuHalf-Left: i build my xorg-server with kdrive .. i will disable it and try it again
17:40.46puchumaybe thats the cause
17:42.03reavertmno kdrive here
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17:47.42botmindHi. I have upgraded my Debian from Etch to Lenny. But in the KDE Image on "Start" button it still shows 3.5?!
17:48.03botmindwhy the image not changed to the 4 version?
17:49.10muep_botmind: Debian Lenny ships KDE 3.5
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17:49.24muep_not KDE 4
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17:50.03Kenjirogood afternoon
17:50.05botmindoh really.. I see then
17:50.10zaythan_Afternoon
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17:51.04Kenjiroguys, I am having a "strange problem". Some months ago konqueror would find and use the flash plugin I installed for Firefox. Some time after some KDE-4 upgrade (or qt upgrade) konqueror can't find/use the plugin anymore.
17:51.07botmindmuep_: any idea about Ubuntu 9.10 ?
17:51.15Kenjiroany tips? I am currently running KDE-4.3.3 and qt-4.6 (kde-qt)
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17:52.14muep_botmind: Ubuntu 9.10 has KDE 4.3.something
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17:52.32Wizardhttp://mati.7ds.pl/kde.png :>
17:52.35Wizarddid it!
17:52.39muep_botmind: you can check the software versions from packages.ubuntu.com
17:52.57botmindmuep_: thx.. as I installed Ubuntu 5.1 and it had Gnome which I dont like.. so they decided to switch to KDE?
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17:53.12muep_botmind: no
17:53.19Wizardmuep_: look at the screenshot :P
17:53.22muep_botmind: but ubuntu has included KDE for years
17:53.38muep_botmind: even Ubuntu 5.10 did
17:53.55muep_botmind: they just default to Gnome, and probably will do so in the foreseeable future
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17:54.29muep_botmind: there's also the kubuntu project at kubuntu.org, which provides Ubuntu preloaded with KDE
17:54.33lontrawhat file needs to be edit to change the font size for the kdm themes?
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17:54.50botmindmuep_: tx I checked there and its quite confusing: kdm: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
17:55.20muep_botmind: is that from debian?
17:55.58botmindmuep_: yes http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kdm
17:56.29botmindmuep_: so they still go default with Gnome unless unsing Kubuntu?
17:57.09muep_botmind: yes
17:57.27zaythan_but isn't KDE > Gnome?
17:57.40muep_zaythan_: isn't blue > red?
17:57.49zaythan_no red > blue ;)
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17:58.22zaythan_i suppose it just seems that Kubunut is like a cusin of Ubuntu
17:58.42simcop2387is there an easy way to send messages to knotify4 from a shell script? (running in the same login session as the user of course)
17:59.28botmindok.. so finally which really version is shipped with Debian Lenny? 4 or 3.5? what does 4:3.5.9 suppose to mean?
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18:01.02pinotreebotmind: you should ask in #debian-kde on the irc network irc.debian.net
18:01.05lontrawhat file needs to be edit to change the font size for the kdm themes?
18:01.24muep_botmind: epoch 4, version 3.5.9
18:01.35botmindhmm thx
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18:05.29Kenjirohas anyone had problems compiling kde-4.3.3 against qt-4.6 (kde-qt)?
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18:10.59adoudouxHello there, I just wanted to take a few minutes to join this channel to say that in my opinion the KDE team is doing an amazing job! :)
18:11.14adoudouxHave a nice day
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18:38.59Jonathan_LI've heard that plasmaoids can be made to be displayed only on chosen desktop spaces - how?
18:39.02ArchTypeI've noticed that in kde 4.3 in home directory I have ~/.cache
18:39.04ArchTypecan I remove it?
18:39.10ArchTypeI'm getting out of space :D
18:39.13Jonathan_LYou can probably
18:39.18ArchTypealso ~/.local
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18:39.27Jonathan_Lbut it will be recreated very soon unless there's and error
18:39.29ArchTypeJonathan_L: what is in ~/.cache?
18:39.36Jonathan_LCache!?
18:39.44ArchTypeJonathan_L: right
18:39.51Jonathan_LLike when you browse the web, files like images are stored locally
18:39.55ArchTypeok
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18:40.02Jonathan_LKDE generates temporary files too.
18:41.04Jonathan_LThere's a lot of times when tasks uses temporary space on the HDD instead of putting everything in RAM, and for sane reasons too
18:41.11PasNoxhello all
18:41.35Jonathan_LSo, how can I chose which desktop to place plasmaoids on?
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18:51.40Jonathan_LNobody?
18:51.57Jonathan_LAnd Amarok spotted playing sound in the middle of a song ...
18:52.00Jonathan_L*stopped
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18:56.18Necos?
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18:56.56localnnuser__kscreensaver doesnt start, any ideas why?
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18:57.16annmabad install?
18:57.30annmahow did you install it localnnuser__
18:57.32localnnuser__ive reinstalled it
18:57.38annmahow?
18:57.45localnnuser__via synaptic
18:58.07localnnuser__kscreensaver and it showed me some dependencies to install and i did it
18:58.31puchulocalnnuser__: maybe restarting kde helps?
18:58.37localnnuser__it doesnt
18:58.44localnnuser__ive restarted it a lot of times
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18:58.52puchusynaptic which ditro is this?
18:58.58localnnuser__im using last packages of karmic koala
18:59.02localnnuser__ubuntu
18:59.22puchucan help you im on gentoo
18:59.25puchucant
18:59.46localnnuser__im quite sure the error is in .kde4
18:59.54localnnuser__ill delete all .files
19:00.06puchumove it to another path and restart kde
19:00.12puchuso u can restor it
19:01.12Kenjiroanyone know why konqueror can't find the same flash plugin firefox uses?
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19:05.34beerKenjiro: I am using the same flash plugin to konq 3.5 and firefox 3
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19:06.14daniel00hi
19:06.44daniel00I'm trying to download and install some spash screen but after I press install it doesn't show up in the list
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19:07.18Kenjirobeer: oh sorry.. I am referring to konqueror in kde-4.3.x
19:07.58Kenjiroin my current case it is konqueror-4.3.3
19:08.24daniel00Anyone has any idea why?
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19:30.14Jonathan_LHow do I restart my audio system? I'm getting the error message that HDA ATI something don't work
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19:35.28MamarokJonathan_L: get rid of pulseaudio, sounds like it hijacks your sound
19:35.56MamarokJonathan_L: what distribution?
19:36.54Jonathan_LUbunt 9.10, KDE 4.3
19:36.54Jonathan_LIt worked first, then it stopped
19:36.54Mamarokyep, that's the problem, KDE doesn't use pulseaudio
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19:36.55Mamarokand I bet you have pulseaudio isntalled
19:36.55Jonathan_LBut it worked earlier
19:36.55MamarokJonathan_L: believe me, you are better off without
19:37.17Jonathan_LDoesn't Gnome use it?
19:37.26MamarokJonathan_L: unless you also use Gnome...
19:37.41Jonathan_LI do. Right now I'm in KDE
19:37.51Jonathan_LBut I use mostly GNome
19:38.29Mamarokwell, then welcome to pulseaudio hell, it screws sound in KDE, unfortunately.
19:38.46Jonathan_LWhat can I do?
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19:39.44Mamaroktry pushing it to the bottom, install the phonon-xine-backend and the kubuntu-restricted-extras, set the phonon backend to use xine in the systemsettings->Multimedia, remove the $HOME/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc file and restart KDE, that should o the trick
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19:40.07Jonathan_LScript, please? ;)
19:40.23MamarokJonathan_L: come on, that's not difficult to do
19:40.40Jonathan_Ljoke
19:40.45Mamarokblame the people who force pulseaudio on everybody
19:41.27Jonathan_Lit's phonon-backend-xine
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19:41.36Mamarokyes, right
19:41.57Jonathan_Lthe tab button is nice in the terminal
19:42.15Jonathan_Lreally nice that it can be used to find package names
19:42.16looongerwhat works better in kde4? compiz or kwin effects?
19:42.29Vroomfondlekwin
19:42.43Jonathan_LFor me personally, Compiz. But then you get the Gnome theme unless you install a KDE theme
19:42.56Jonathan_L(on window frames)
19:43.20Jonathan_LCompiz is a lot more flexible
19:44.37mgraesslinkwin is better integrated
19:44.38Jonathan_LMamarok: What about $HOME/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc ? What is it? One of those messy config files we're glad that they are replaced automatically if deleted?
19:44.40looongerJonathan_L: I ask cause these kwin effects don't work smooth and I haven't seen compiz for a while
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19:45.12MamarokJonathan_L: well, it's not messay at all, it's just made messy by pulseaudio
19:45.14Jonathan_Llooonger: Try Compiz if you want to. Then you can judge for yourself. It's a lot about personal taste
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19:45.40MamarokJonathan_L: did you even try KWin?
19:46.03Mamarokusing Compiz in KDE is not necessary, KWIN can do this and is better integrated
19:46.10Jonathan_LMamarok: Yes, that's what I'm using now. This is a "clean" install (kept /home, wiped the rest)
19:46.37Jonathan_LI used Compiz before. Partly because I'm used of some of it's features from Gnome
19:46.47MamarokJonathan_L: well, works fine here, no need for Compiz, also isntalling Compiz to work in KDE takes more than just installing the packages
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19:47.08Mamarokyou also need to change the desktop-manager
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19:47.18looongerMamarok: that's why I ask cause kwin effects are nice enough for me but everything's quite choppy when they're enabled
19:47.28Jonathan_LNo need, I didn't.
19:47.40Mamaroklooonger: that very much depends on your graphic driver I would say
19:47.56looongerMamarok: certainly
19:48.00Mamarokworks nice and smooth for me
19:48.55Jonathan_Llooonger: System settings -> Standard apps -> window manager
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19:53.02Jonathan_LWhat's the difference between gdm and kdm?
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19:53.56Jonathan_LI'm able to pick WM on the login screen with the default login window in Ubuntu 9.10 (as well as before), and I kept gdm
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19:55.29kirunI thought I had that problem, turned out it wasn't setting the correct resolution and I could mouse off-screen to get to the options. Not checked for 9.10 yet though.
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19:56.17MamarokJonathan_L: gdm is for Gnome, kdm is for KDE, as simple as that
19:56.33Jonathan_LSure, but what do they do?
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19:56.42Mamarokthe login manager for the desktop
19:56.42PovAddicthow can I make a mouse button click switch desktops?
19:56.52PovAddictI already found the dbus call to switch desktops
19:57.08PovAddictbut can't find anything in KDE to assign a global action to *mouse* input
19:57.27MamarokPovAddict: check the code of the pager widget
19:57.34Mamarokit does exactly that
19:57.50PovAddictexactly what?
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19:59.25Jonathan_Lhmm... Installing kubuntu extras restricted. I'm wondering on how to accept the java EULA
19:59.30Jonathan_LEnter don't work
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20:00.52Jonathan_Lare willing to hit Ctrl+C soon ...
20:01.06PovAddicty?
20:01.10PovAddict'yes'?
20:01.29Jonathan_Ltried
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20:01.42Jonathan_LThere's no text box
20:02.30Jonathan_LIt's a "graphical" ui. probably using ncurses or whatever
20:02.42Jonathan_LWant a screen shot?
20:03.15Necosspace bar tile the end
20:03.26Necos*til
20:03.39Jonathan_Lspace bar do nothing
20:04.20Necosdoesnt it have --MORE 5%-- or something like that at the bottom?
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20:05.41Jonathan_LNo, it's just a red thingy at the right that I forgot the english name of
20:06.14Jonathan_LI can only use up/down and PgUp/PgDn to scroll
20:06.21rogersmanCuld someone suggest the best way to migrate kde settings to another user?  will a simply copy and chown of ~/.kde be safe to perform? thanks
20:06.25Jonathan_L(it's a red scroll bar)
20:07.36PovAddictrogersman: I'd "grep -r" for the old username in the new .kde
20:07.53PovAddictrogersman: maybe a config has an absolute path or something
20:07.55Jonathan_Loh, got it
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20:10.12Jonathan_LKDE is already set to use xine (as far as I can tell)
20:10.15Jonathan_Lthen what?
20:10.27MamarokJonathan_L: with the arrow, to highlight the Ok, then enter
20:10.37Jonathan_Ljust wipe $HOME/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc ?
20:10.44Jonathan_LMamarok: Yeah, managed to do that already
20:12.04Jonathan_Ltested HDA ATI SB from System settings > Multimedia. It works
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20:13.01Jonathan_LAnd it's highest in the list
20:13.11Jonathan_LThe pulseaudio entries don't work
20:13.35Jonathan_LThen what do I have to do with Amarok? Should I still wipe that file and login and log out again?
20:13.40MamarokJonathan_L: as I said earlier, you should avoid pulseaudio in KDE
20:14.20MamarokJonathan_L: did you remove that phonondevicesrc file and restart KDE?
20:14.29Jonathan_LBut it works great in Gnome. There's an option for setting voume per application. I might switch when I can use the same feature set in one working backend everywhere
20:14.55Mamarok*sigh*, well then you need to ask somebody else, sorry
20:15.25Jonathan_LGonna restart
20:15.29Jonathan_L(KDE)
20:15.32Jonathan_Lbye
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20:15.41Mamarokbye
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20:18.33bradfordHey, I'm having an issue with KAddressBook and an LDAP server, is this the right channel for help with that?
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20:20.00Jonathan_LWhy didn't the keyboard or the mouse pad work when I logged out!?
20:20.14Jonathan_LI can hear sounds from Pidgin
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20:21.21Jonathan_LMamarok: Hi again. It works now
20:21.39bradfordKAddressbook doesn't save changes to one contact record (the inetOrgPerson used to authenticate with the LDAP server).  What do I need to do so I can change this record's information?
20:21.40MamarokJonathan_L: nice :)
20:21.53Jonathan_LBTW: The error message did say that it tried to use Pulseaudio because HDA ATI didn't work
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20:23.27Jonathan_LNow, how do I make different plasmaoids show on chosen desktop spaces?
20:24.09Jonathan_LBTW: I'm using catalog view - does that make any difference?
20:24.42PovAddictJonathan_L: use different "activities"
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20:24.58Jonathan_LHow? Where?
20:25.14PovAddictI think you can make it so that each desktop has a different "activity" by default... don't remember where
20:25.31PovAddictto make one manually, go to the config button on the corner of the desktop and click "zoom out"
20:25.59Jonathan_Lthen what?
20:26.15PovAddictthen "add activity" :)
20:26.40Jonathan_LWhere?
20:27.14PovAddictif you clicked zoom out, you'll see it
20:27.37Jonathan_LNo?
20:27.54Jonathan_LAdd graphic components?
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20:31.13Jonathan_LBTW: My setup is swedish - should I switch language?
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20:31.43Jonathan_L(to make it easier to follow instructions)
20:32.25PovAddictactually I find activities quite confusing
20:32.36Jonathan_LI can't find it
20:32.45Jonathan_LWant a screen shot?
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20:34.02Jonathan_Lit's just zoomed out now. The regular desktop space is in the upper left corner. The panel is still at the bottom. The rest is grey/white boxes
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20:34.27Jonathan_Land "Add graphic components", zoom-in button and config button
20:35.06Jonathan_Lconfig says nothing about activites, and graphic blablabla is plasmaoid adding
20:35.50Jonathan_LAaah, it was minimized....... x(
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20:37.24Jonathan_LWhat does "use a seperate instrument panel" do? Sounds like it seperates the desktop spaces completely so that windows only are displayed on the one they are opened on
20:37.34PovAddictI have no clue
20:39.38Jonathan_LGot it working now
20:40.09Jonathan_LJust wanna know if I can make certain plasmaoids appear on all desktops without adding them manually
20:40.36PovAddict"activities are not workspaces; think of them as 'uniforms' for your desktops"
20:41.51PovAddictthey only affect the desktop, not windows on it
20:41.52Jonathan_LUniforms? That's even weirder
20:42.14Jonathan_LNow I've set keyboard shortcuts for switching desktop spaces
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20:43.51Jonathan_LI've got 4 spaces. They are in a 2x2 grid, so it looks wierd when switching from space 1 to 4 or 2 to 3 - can I change that? I know I can make it like 1x4, but then the desktop switcher "applet" will waste even more space in my panel
20:44.09Jonathan_L(using the qube effect)
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20:46.15MamarokJonathan_L: don't put it in the panel, put it on the desktop
20:47.09MamarokJonathan_L: or use a different activity for each virtual desktop, then use the pager
20:47.34Jonathan_LThen I have to add it to every desktop (for sanity, when I forget the keyboard shortcuts )
20:48.07Mamarokno, you only add it to every activity (in the first case)
20:48.18Mamarokor just don't use activities then
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20:52.21Jonathan_LIt's a lot cleaner now
20:52.23Jonathan_L:D
20:53.08PovAddicthow do I move activities in the zoomed-out view?
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20:53.50Jonathan_LClick-n-drag?
20:54.03Jonathan_LThat's what I did
20:54.35PovAddictthat scrolls the view
20:54.38PovAddictdoesn't move the activities
20:55.21PovAddictand after I zoom back in, Xorg is eating 60% CPU
20:55.36PovAddictmy conclusion is that the ZUI sucks
20:57.00Jonathan_LGonna add system monitors - which non-huge resizeble is the best?
20:57.22Jonathan_LHave to go very soon, btw
20:58.43Jonathan_LHow many here like the inaccurate watch? I do. Gonna put it on a desktop space
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21:04.42SliMMhello
21:04.49jamesbond-4711hi
21:04.55SliMMhow fast is kde 4.3(.3)?
21:05.19Jonathan_LDecent on my laptop. 1.6 Ghz dual core, 2 GB ram
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21:05.24icwiener_SliMM: There is no real measurement for that.
21:05.32Jonathan_LIt's not bad.
21:06.11SliMMcompared to gnome
21:06.13SliMM?
21:06.14SliMM:)
21:06.21Jonathan_LSlower.
21:06.22icwiener_It runs fine here on a Athlon XP 2000+, which is a 1,6 GHz single core.
21:06.27pinotreetry that yourself, on your computer
21:06.27jamesbond-4711question: I'm using krusader and everytime I copy a file or directory, instead of a "normal" dialog there appears some kind of notification from the systray. I know that this can be changed, but I forgot where. :-(
21:06.28SliMMdamn
21:06.31Jonathan_LBut I'm using both, and think that KDE ain't bad
21:06.57jamesbond-4711where do I find this setting: in the krusader configuration or in the KDE system settings?
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21:07.09SliMMpinotree: well, hmm, if i install it and don't like it, i won't uninstall it
21:07.28SliMMfor at least half a year
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21:07.35pinotree... so?
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21:07.43SliMMso that's why i'm asking
21:07.59SliMMis the network manager plasmoid fixed?
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21:08.23pinotreewhat you asked is highly subject, on either "personal" feeling an on computer capabilities
21:08.42[Steven_M]hi all
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21:08.58pinotreethe network manager plasmoid has always been experimental, blame kubuntu for shipping unstable software
21:09.16pinotreenow it is a standalone application, much like kde3's knetworkmanager
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21:09.35pinotreejamesbond-4711: in the configuration of the system tray widget (right click → system tray configuration)
21:09.39SliMMcan i use it for connecting to hidden networks?
21:10.18SliMMand, can i create ad-hoc networks/share internet connection?
21:11.00jamesbond-4711pinotree: ic, I didn't look there... :-)
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21:11.10[Steven_M]is there any way to get konqueror to enfoce a backround on a webpage?
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21:11.52jamesbond-4711pinotree: thx!
21:12.26jamesbond-4711one more question: is it still not possible to have different wallpapers on the virtual desktops?
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21:12.59Jonathan_LI think that Gnome's NetworkManager is better - partially because I get a  list of WLANs by clicking on it and can connect by a single click
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21:13.24[Steven_M]I mean enforce
21:13.26Jonathan_Ljamesbond-4711: I can't find an option for it
21:13.47bradford_Any ideas why KAddressbook won't save changes to one contact record?
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21:13.54Jonathan_LYou can have a huge plasmaoid :D
21:14.02bradford_I'm using Kaddressbook 4.3 with an LDAP backend
21:14.38jamesbond-4711Jonathan_L: I don't rellay understand that, KDE3 had this feature and I guess it is not really too complex to implement it... - why is KDE4 lacking such essential stuff?
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21:15.42Jonathan_LBecause it was reworked from the ground? A lot of features can remain unimplemented for a while if nobody asks for them
21:15.53[Steven_M]is there any way to get konqueror to enforce a backround color on a webpage?
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21:21.15[Steven_M]is there any way to get konqueror to enfoce a backround on a webpage?
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21:22.50Jonathan_LThe plasmaoid for putting gadgets on top don't work now when I'm using "activities"!
21:23.09Jonathan_L[Steven_M]: didn't find any. Didn't look hard, though
21:23.32Jonathan_Lgoing now, bye.
21:23.51[Steven_M]Jonathan_L: see ya
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21:30.15bradford_Hm, further investigation reveals that KAddressbook can't change attributes of contacts with a space in the LDAP CommonName
21:30.29[Steven_M]bye all
21:30.41bradford_Filing a bug report...
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21:33.45Sho_KAddressBook is about to be replaced
21:35.25bradford_Really?  With what?
21:35.51cb400fkcontactmanager
21:36.07cb400fakonadi stuff
21:36.24blueckbradford_: with KAddressBook of course
21:36.38blueckbradford_: happended in trunk some weeks ago
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21:37.52bradford_Oh ok.  So the new KAddressbook isn't ready yet?  The Kontact about page still lists KAddressbook as a component
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21:46.07proteusI need some help: I just got a windows user converted to kubuntu but he's having a problem with his taskbar/panel disappearing and all the info I find on the web seems out of date. I've already tried having him kill plasma-desktop and restart it with no success. any assistance would be most appreciated! I don't want my friend heading back over to the dark side!
21:46.10proteusunfortunately, though experienced with bsd/linux I've been using xfce for quite a while and the new kde is unfamiliar to me
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21:59.46rg1i need to setup my CentOS-5.3 system so that it shares a directory/folder to my windows XP machine - can someone tell me how to config that on gnome/kde side?
21:59.52rg1i have samba services running
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22:00.08rg1i can't find the GUI menu to do the actual sharing
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22:09.57cb400frg1: ask in centos channel.. pretty sure RH provide some samba tool
22:10.27cb400fthere should be one in kcontrol too.. but prolly better to use the "official" tool
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22:12.59Necosactually, there shouldn't be one in kcontrol since samba is not a part of KDE.
22:13.16Necosthere should be a 3rd party add-on for samba control (and there is)
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22:13.38The_Userweb-comic-plasmoid users here?
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22:14.37The_UserI can install comics (the .comic file is found) but I can't select them
22:15.25The_UserI tried to set comic=xkcd in the plasma-desktop-appletsrc
22:15.30The_Userbut it does not work
22:15.40The_Usercould anybody look into his configuration-file?
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22:18.47MinceRhow can i keep plasma from using the crossfade effect when the desktop slideshow changes to the next background? i'd like it to just change immediately.
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22:30.06ParkotronJester: You have systemsettings?
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22:31.37Stalafinkspread - since 2.0.90 something is seriously broken; when i start it, it won't display the actual spreadsheet; the bars at the right and left are displayed just fine, just the spreadsheet is missing (instead you see remnants of the choose template screen); same happens with .91; are there maybe soe config files i should delete/
22:32.26The_Usermilian has helped me with plasma :)
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22:33.19JesterParkotron: nope, I can install it though
22:34.11JesterSystem Settings was unable to find any views, and hence nothing is available to configure
22:34.15Jesterheh
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22:36.46rogersmanAnyone here of any decent speech recognition software for *nix? wikipedia says no, and google aint too helpful either
22:37.09cb400fsimon
22:37.14cb400fheard some good things
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22:37.28dahudperhaps Dragon through WINE?
22:37.31cb400fhappens to be a kde app too :-)
22:37.54cb400fhttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/simon+(Speech+Interaction+Daemon)?content=73815
22:37.56JesterParkotron: k it works if I open it in konsole. I wonder where it's picking up what browser to use though... It uses Chrome by default although there is nothing set for the default web browser in systemsettings... If I forcefully put firefox in there it uses it though. Oh well
22:38.30dahudOn a similar note, is there a good vocoder out there?
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22:38.42The_Userwhere can I find the comic-plasmoid in SVN?
22:39.41cb400fThe_User: try asking in #plasma
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22:51.43reagleBRKLNHere's an image of the two pages: Why does the one look so much worse? http://reagle.org/joseph/2009/11/cruddy-fonts.png
22:52.08reagleBRKLNThe one is using a nice arial, the other, I don't know. Weird thing, both on the same Wiki, using the same style sheets apparently.
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22:56.10rogersmancb400f: thanks for the link, im checking it out now...still in heavy development, but a good voice control system would really put kde over the edge! good on 'em!
22:56.59cb400frogersman: see the changelog: "Fixed the remaining known issues" :-D
22:57.21cb400fnow that's the kind of optimism I like.. especially for a 0.2 release :-)
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22:58.02rogersmanstar trek esque control is on the way...shame we cant use ms barrets voice any more :-p RIP
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22:59.42szal[23:48:46] <Helper> [Distrowatch] Distribution Release: Mandriva Linux 2010 <<-- prepare for another run on download servers ;)
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23:10.14ArTofor some time now when i use my kde desktop sometimes one program "steals" my mouse and i can't do anything outside that program
23:10.40ArToso i have to press ctrl+alt+supr and wait 30 seconds to logout
23:10.43ArToor restart X server
23:11.01ArTodoes someone know what is it
23:11.07ArToshould i file a bug?
23:12.35ArToit seems this bug is the same https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189416
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23:16.32troyArTo: never seen such a bug myself - are you using kwin? you can try restarting the window manager using something like kwin --restart
23:16.50ArToi tried
23:16.53ArToyes i'm using kwin
23:16.54troyArTo: if your bug matches exactly the one filed - add a comment, or vote it up
23:17.17ArTolike the bus says, neither killing kwin, killing plasma makes my mouse behave
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23:17.33troyArTo: and what happens to your mouse if you kill the program that steals it? (is it always plasma?)
23:17.51ArToit goes to some other program
23:18.05ArToit's really weird
23:18.07troythat sounds like an X bug...
23:18.20ArToyeah, that's what i'm thinking
23:18.55troyArTo: never seen anything like that before though - what X drivers are you using?
23:19.08ArToit seems everybody in that bug is using nvidia binary driver
23:19.09ArTome too
23:19.56troyArTo: and, as a troubleshooting mechanism, you could perhaps try running KDE with a different window manager and see if it's reproduceable; or for that matter, see if the same bug happens in another desktop environment (if you have these things installed, that is...)
23:20.13troyArTo: that would help eliminate certain programs as being possible culprits...
23:20.53troyArTo: if it happened in KDE and Xfce equally, for instance, it'd almost certainly be an X bug, assuming you aren't running the same apps when it happens
23:21.10troyI mean, it could be something like firefox triggering the bug *shrug*
23:21.26ArToi tried metacity in one of the mouse "kidnapping" and it didn't help but i'll try from the beggining
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23:21.33ArToperhaps kwin is triggering the bug
23:22.28troyArTo: well, if it happened with metacity, it wouldn't be kwin...
23:22.46troyArTo: troubleshooting can be a bitch :P
23:23.17TheTrashWhat's up with kdeprint? Is the cups config dialog going to make it back into the System Settings app?
23:23.19ArToi only tried metacity after the bug happened
23:24.50troyTheTrash: basically, the original developer that did all the print stuff for kde 2 and kde 3 has move on to other things, and it didn't find a maintainer for KDE 4...
23:24.53ArToi think that it's not related to kde because it started to happen suddenly in kde 4.2.2 (which i used for a while) and i think i upgraded some X packages
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23:25.08TheTrashHm, that's unfortunate.
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23:25.47troyArTo: still, if you're filing bug reports, the more information you can add, the better, even if the bug goes to your distro regarding their X packages :)
23:25.50ArTook
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23:26.01troyTheTrash: mostly, http://localhost:631 in konq works, but it's non-obvious
23:26.06ArToi'll fight with my english and write a nice bug report :P
23:26.09The_UserAny idea why all my KDE-applications ignore the mime-type and only use the file-extension?
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23:26.22troyArTo: based on conversations here, your english is fine :)
23:26.27TheTrashtroy: yeah, I noticed that, my distro added an entry to the kmenu for that.
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23:26.50troyTheTrash: ah, not a bad idea, for discoverability  :)
23:26.51TheTrashAlso there's the HP tools suite but it's HP-only and I couldn't see if it supports smb printers.
23:27.11troyThe_User: nope - normally it uses mime magic numbers and such too
23:27.27troyThe_User: make sure you have a package installed called shared_mime_info
23:27.33ArTohaha, thank you. i just have to think a lot with every sentence
23:27.50The_Userthat's a free-desktop-project, right?
23:27.58troyThe_User: yep
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23:28.59The_Userit was already installed
23:29.01troyTheTrash: there are a number of rough edges in KDE's settings that deal with hardware configuration: Printing, touchpads, wacom tablets,
23:30.05troyThe_User: okay - then I don't know what's happening - on my system, if I take a jpeg image, and remove the extension, KDE still knows it's a jpeg image...
23:30.25The_Useron my kde it says: that's an inode
23:30.32TheTrashtroy: I noticed... though I've only run into the printer thing for now (touchpad is configured as a regular mouse for now and I don't use tablets).
23:31.05troyThe_User: yeah - that's usually an indication that KDE can't find or can't use the shared-mime-info package
23:31.17troyThe_User: that package contains all the mime magic stuff
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23:31.34InforMedHi! My kwin window decoration sometimes disappear! Can someone help-me! That is what I get http://pastesite.com/11475
23:31.35troyThe_User: might be a packaging problem for your distro - what are you using?
23:31.36The_Userbut I thik it's a config-problem
23:31.45The_UserIt's the same with openSuSE and Archlinux
23:31.55TheTrashIt's too bad, the old cups configurator in KDE 3.x was pretty solid.
23:32.10troyThe_User: are you sharing a user directory between opensuse and arch?
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23:32.24ender2080TheTrash - being restored in 4.4
23:32.30The_UserI used openSuSE and I switched to arch
23:32.32TheTrashender2080: ahh, that's great news.
23:32.36troyender2080: sweet? who's coding it?
23:32.57TheTrashAny ETA on that, even if it's an inaccurate one?
23:33.03ender2080not sure, its in the feature plan
23:33.17troyThe_User: did you keep your home directory when you switched, or was it a purely clean install?
23:33.25The_Userkeep
23:33.25ender2080https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_TC_Install
23:33.28ender2080kdeadmin
23:33.39ender2080oops wrong link
23:33.40The_Userbut it was the same problem with suse
23:33.46troyInforMed: try switching window decoration
23:33.55troyThe_User: then there's a good chance it's a config problem, yes
23:34.12InforMedtroy: Allready try that!
23:34.17ender2080TheTrash - http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Feature_Plan
23:34.55TheTrashThanks
23:34.58troyThe_User: how comfortable are you with the command line? try grepping for the word 'mime' in ~/.kde to see what config file might be causing the problem
23:35.09The_UserI've already tried it
23:35.11The_Usertoo much
23:35.13TheTrashFebruary
23:35.17The_Usernearly every config-file has that
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23:35.25The_Userwhen I just grep in ~/.kde/share/config
23:35.35ArTocomment posted
23:35.36The_UserI get the filetypesrc
23:35.58troyThe_User: hrmm - try renaming that file to filetypesrc.bak, and restarting KDE
23:36.09ArTothanks for your help troy
23:36.10InforMedWhat means QPainter::setCompositionMode: Painter not active
23:36.15The_Userwell, I think it's just information for konqueror
23:37.00troyArTo: no problem - thanks for being a good bug reporter :)
23:37.00The_Userembed-image/png=true
23:37.00The_Usersuch stuff
23:37.00ArToby the way, you are pillars of kde writer don't you?
23:37.01troyArTo: long ago, I wrote the "road to kde 4" stuff, if that's what you're thinking of...
23:37.11ArToyeah
23:37.15ArToi really enjoyed it :)
23:37.39troyArTo: thanks :) these days I'm too busy to write much - one article here and there
23:38.29ArToi didn't hear of you in a while, glad you keep writing
23:38.30troyArTo: heading to a KDE marketing meeting next week - we'll see what results from that - probably a couple of things will be worked on - like, how do we distinguish between KDE the project, and KDE, the community/organization
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23:39.02ArTointeresting
23:39.07ArTokde is shaping really good
23:39.45ArToi didn't jump to kde4 until 4.2 but now i am really happy with it (except those annoying bugs, hehe)
23:39.55troyInforMed: it's debug info from the code - Qt uses something internally called painters which draws stuff to the screen - if the widgets are disappearing, and you're getting that error, then for some reason the QPainter object is getting deleted/failing...
23:40.16troyInforMed: I'm not a kwin coder, but lmurray might be able to help if he's online
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23:41.25troyArTo: well, 4.2 was good enough for slackware, so it must be alright :)
23:42.03ArToi'm thinking about report my bug to arch's bugzilla
23:42.36troyArTo: sure - link to the KDE bug too :) that way if arch solves it, they can send information upstream
23:42.46ArTook
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23:43.15Necoshmmmm... i was reading something about akonadi and opensync... i wonder if we'll have a useable opensync plugin for kontact (and it's children) before the holidays
23:43.18The_Userkeditfiletype is the program...
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23:43.53troyNecos: well, next kde release is in january or february, so maybe in trunk/head/whatever it's called these days...
23:43.54TiriliHi!
23:43.56The_UserI'll look at the sourcecode
23:44.04The_UserKDE/kdebase/runtime/keditfiletype
23:44.35troyTirili: hola
23:45.00troyanyway, afk for a few, gotta run to my lab to use the printer...
23:45.03Necossince barry only uses opensync, it's the only thing that holds me back from using kontact 4 :(
23:46.10Necoskde 4 apps look and feel much snappier than the 3.5.x versions, so kind of a big disappointment
23:48.50The_User~/.local/share/mime
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23:49.55TiriliI want to have a start-icon on my desktop for the program matlab. But it is usually started via console: sh MATLAB/bin/matlab. And doesn't open, if I click on the sh file in dolphin. How can I build such a click-on-starter?
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23:51.14TiriliRight click and "create new link to application" doesn't work. :(
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23:52.04The_Useryeah!
23:52.08ArToreported to arch too
23:52.10The_UserI've removed it: it works :)
23:52.13troyTirili: make sure the sh file is set +x (executable)
23:52.18The_Usertroy: thank you :)
23:52.21troyThe_User: congrats :)
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23:53.49TiriliIt is set +x for user group and all.
23:54.11troyhrm - let me check my local behaviour
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23:54.50Necosi thought this was fairly interesting: http://saschpe.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/gsoc-updates-the-client-agent/
23:55.24TiriliWhen I click on it, a the starter window appears but then it just disappears and nothing started at all.
23:55.52TiriliI feel like it needs a console for anything.
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23:57.11troyTirili: well, I just created a test case here, a two line shell script, and it works as expected when running from dolphin
23:57.37TiriliWhat does your script look like?
23:57.51troyTirili: if you open MATLAB/bin/matlab in a text editer, is the first line something like #!/usr/bin/bash
23:58.24Necosi thought the matlab binary wasn't a bash script
23:58.34Tirili#!/bin/sh
23:59.07troyTirili: and /bin/sh exists on your system? (not in some other path someplace?)
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23:59.40TiriliI can run /bin/sh as user.
23:59.47Tirilifrom bash
23:59.49ArTomy matlab is a script

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