| 00:00.01 | PovAddict | I reattached screen in konsole once I got KDE working |
| 00:00.20 | PovAddict | there was another KDE IRC client... starting with Q |
| 00:00.23 | empty | povaddict, sounds like you are using arch? |
| 00:00.25 | christoph3141 | I set the keyboard shortcut for Krunner to CapsLock |
| 00:00.39 | PovAddict | empty: debian |
| 00:00.42 | Torch | PovAddict: you mean quassel. it's qt only, iirc. |
| 00:00.45 | sreich | PovAddict: quassel |
| 00:00.46 | christoph3141 | The problem is, the key still acts as CapsLock and enables/disables it while launching krunner. |
| 00:00.48 | sreich | Torch: yes |
| 00:00.56 | christoph3141 | Is there a way of "disabling" capslock in kde? |
| 00:00.58 | sreich | it does offer some kde integration afik though |
| 00:01.05 | PovAddict | empty: maybe 'arch-style' :P I really installed things from scratch... |
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| 00:01.29 | empty | yeah, i didnt think you had to install x in debian :) |
| 00:01.49 | PovAddict | well, debian doesn't actually install X by default |
| 00:02.11 | empty | i see |
| 00:02.27 | PovAddict | but after installing the base system it would let you install KDE with one click |
| 00:02.40 | PovAddict | I didn't |
| 00:02.55 | krisfremen | ok.. how do i completely remove kde and all its config files |
| 00:03.01 | krisfremen | and then reinstall it |
| 00:03.04 | empty | very arch-esque |
| 00:03.15 | krisfremen | for some reason i'm getting weird errors like |
| 00:03.18 | PovAddict | krisfremen: why do you need to reinstall? |
| 00:03.32 | PovAddict | krisfremen: also, if something's corrupted, removing just config files would be enough; I don't think the *binaries* got messed up... |
| 00:03.54 | krisfremen | i removed ~/.kde |
| 00:04.06 | krisfremen | what else needs to be removed? |
| 00:04.16 | empty | the other day i tried sidux 2009-3 |
| 00:04.22 | PovAddict | what errors do you get? |
| 00:04.30 | PovAddict | empty: I seriously did consider arch |
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| 00:04.43 | PovAddict | empty: but I better play with arch in a VM a bit first |
| 00:05.03 | empty | which vm program is free? |
| 00:05.07 | krisfremen | "Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation" |
| 00:05.09 | PovAddict | I use virtualbox |
| 00:05.15 | sreich | virtualbox is good |
| 00:05.16 | krisfremen | that's the latest one |
| 00:05.20 | empty | thx |
| 00:05.28 | sreich | not sure if there is an alternative though..or a good one, that is.. |
| 00:05.36 | PovAddict | the open source edition is good enough |
| 00:05.49 | PovAddict | but I needed USB |
| 00:06.00 | empty | sudo apt-get install virtualbox right now! |
| 00:06.26 | PovAddict | (installed Windoze inside the VM, and iTunes there, and synced my physical iPod) |
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| 00:06.38 | krisfremen | before that i got still like ioslave is missing and stuff |
| 00:06.54 | sreich | PovAddict: you could've just used amarok |
| 00:06.58 | sreich | I think it can use the ipod's firmware |
| 00:07.08 | sreich | and fwiw..if you can, I suggest trying out Rockbox |
| 00:07.09 | empty | you could have used exaile |
| 00:07.22 | sreich | which is an open source firmware for your ipod...it is superior imo |
| 00:07.28 | sreich | uses it for his 5th gen ipod |
| 00:07.38 | empty | welcome to virtual box (gosh i love linux) |
| 00:08.39 | krisfremen | PovAddict: where else does kde store configs? |
| 00:08.44 | krisfremen | apart from ~/.kde ? |
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| 00:09.27 | empty | I am going to install kubuntu 9.10 rc 1 within CrunchBang right away. |
| 00:10.30 | sreich | krisfremen: nowhere |
| 00:10.56 | krisfremen | why is it not working then? |
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| 00:11.15 | sreich | does your distro use .kde4 or some other folder? |
| 00:11.24 | sreich | and what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:11.32 | krisfremen | i'm using kde3.5 |
| 00:11.43 | krisfremen | kde just stopped working today |
| 00:11.59 | sreich | oh. |
| 00:12.32 | krisfremen | so i'm just trying to get kde back up and working |
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| 00:14.51 | krisfremen | any suggestions are welcome |
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| 00:15.03 | krisfremen | i tried yum remove @kde-desktop to remove everythign and installed everything back after that |
| 00:17.05 | ppurka | is there a way to disable the scroll-to-change-desktop? |
| 00:17.12 | ppurka | in kde4.3.2 |
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| 00:17.55 | sreich | ppurka: I think so |
| 00:18.14 | ppurka | sreich: I don't see anything in mouse settings :-S |
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| 00:18.31 | sreich | ppurka: try window/desktop settings...or the pager settings |
| 00:18.36 | sreich | it wouldn't be in mouse settings |
| 00:18.46 | ppurka | sreich: it is not there in pager.. I will check the window/desktop |
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| 00:21.02 | umeboshi | ppurka: I couldn't find the option anywhere |
| 00:21.13 | ppurka | umeboshi: yes.. neither do I find it anywhere :( |
| 00:22.37 | umeboshi | I just upgraded this weekend, and I lost most of my configuration that I've modified over the last 5 years |
| 00:22.54 | ppurka | upgraded from 3.5 to 4.3? |
| 00:23.11 | ppurka | I don't think it is promised that your configuration will be upgraded :P |
| 00:23.12 | umeboshi | it's been real frustrating since I split my config between /etc and ~/ |
| 00:23.16 | umeboshi | yes |
| 00:23.40 | ppurka | umeboshi: I think it is even recommended to start afresh. |
| 00:24.16 | ppurka | sreich: sorry.. it is nowhere :( can't turn it off |
| 00:24.26 | umeboshi | I may wind up doing that. It's sad, though, as I spent a lot of time making 3.5 a very useful desktop, and I was very happy with its behavior |
| 00:25.07 | ppurka | umeboshi: start afresh. kwin4.3 is much more malleable than 3.5 (and with fewer bugs) |
| 00:25.28 | sreich | ppurka: hm..thought it existed... *shrug* |
| 00:25.44 | sreich | umeboshi: too much has changed from 3.5->4.3 |
| 00:25.54 | sreich | well.. 3.x to 4.x rather |
| 00:26.00 | ppurka | sreich: time to search kde-apps. maybe someone has put up a plasmoid or something ;) |
| 00:26.06 | sreich | e.g. kicker is gone..plasma replaces it |
| 00:26.25 | ppurka | plasma is much more than just kicker.. |
| 00:26.35 | ppurka | possibilities are very wide |
| 00:26.41 | sreich | yeah |
| 00:26.53 | sreich | along with all of the other revamps done in the transition |
| 00:27.02 | sreich | yeah, plasma is oh so powerful ;p |
| 00:27.08 | umeboshi | I used to restart kicker via dcop when it wasn't acting properly, how do I do that with plasma? |
| 00:27.21 | ppurka | umeboshi: there is a keybinding I think.. |
| 00:27.25 | sreich | kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 00:27.28 | sreich | plasma-desktop& |
| 00:27.30 | ppurka | or you can even kill it and restart it |
| 00:27.48 | ppurka | kquitapp is good :D |
| 00:27.49 | umeboshi | just yesterday, I was stuck with 4 system trays in the panel, and had to restart the whole desktop |
| 00:27.53 | sreich | kquitapp is asking plasma, over dbus (which replaces dcop in kde4), to exit |
| 00:28.01 | umeboshi | thanks, I didn't know about that |
| 00:28.19 | ppurka | umeboshi: if you were trying with the 3.5 config, then there may be lots of upsets |
| 00:28.38 | sreich | yeah, I advise hosing the whole thing ;P |
| 00:28.49 | umeboshi | yes, I've been having a lot of problems since I've upgraded |
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| 00:29.08 | ppurka | nothing in kde-apps too :(( |
| 00:29.38 | umeboshi | but there are some programs that I can't easily start with a fresh config, because I'll lose years and years of setting stuff up |
| 00:29.49 | sreich | like? |
| 00:29.50 | umeboshi | like kmail and kopete |
| 00:29.54 | umeboshi | konqueror |
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| 00:30.06 | sreich | yeah, not sure how well those will transition over |
| 00:30.14 | umeboshi | kmail's the big one, I have a lot of lists I'm subscribed to, and a lot of filters |
| 00:30.16 | ppurka | hmm.. |
| 00:30.18 | sreich | fwiw though, kopete and konqueror don't take years to setup ;-) |
| 00:30.35 | ppurka | sreich: konqueror had many hidden config settings.. |
| 00:30.51 | umeboshi | true, it was over the course of years that I kept adding a new list to kmail, or new stuff to kopete |
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| 00:31.30 | ppurka | umeboshi: you will have to do it gradually.. someday you will find that something is not working as you wanted.. then you go and do some setting there :) |
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| 00:34.23 | umeboshi | I think that what I'll do is spend a little time with things the way they are and try to identify the things that have been reconfigured over the years, then start with a fresh configuration and reconfigure those important things first |
| 00:34.49 | ppurka | umeboshi: yes.. that is a good strategy |
| 00:34.53 | umeboshi | fortunately, I've been keeping all of configuration in svn since 2004 |
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| 00:35.09 | umeboshi | I found that to be very convenient |
| 00:35.15 | ppurka | umeboshi: then you will find that something is irritating you ... then you remember to configure that.. that is how you will have to proceed |
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| 00:35.53 | ppurka | it is like this that I stumbled across this scroll on desktop. I realised that I was scrolling through desktops when I didn't want to |
| 00:36.06 | ppurka | unfortunately, for this specific case, there is no workaround :'( |
| 00:37.22 | umeboshi | ppurka: there used to be, because I remember disabling that on 3.5 |
| 00:37.35 | umeboshi | brb |
| 00:37.39 | ppurka | umeboshi: yes. I remember disabling in 3.5 too. there is none in 4.3 |
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| 00:47.23 | umeboshi | after thinking about it, I think that I'm going to install 3.5 in a chroot, and use my old config there, then use a new clean 4.3 |
| 00:47.36 | umeboshi | and move the configuration over a piece at a time |
| 00:49.29 | umeboshi | I've also got this problem with the system tray. I can't figure out how to hide some of the icons |
| 00:49.48 | sreich | right click it |
| 00:49.52 | umeboshi | there are some I always want to show, like klipper, but others I want to stay hidden |
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| 00:50.57 | umeboshi | I did that, and I have the "auto hide" stuff all clicked, but only about 4 icons are hidden behind the arrow |
| 00:51.00 | lmurray | sreich, Blur has not been readded |
| 00:51.22 | sreich | lmurray: ah really? interesting.. |
| 00:51.30 | sreich | wonders why it is in his kcm |
| 00:51.41 | sreich | probably because I built half of kde from a few months ago revision |
| 00:51.47 | lmurray | Didn't we already discuss this? I think I remember someone that had blur in their list even if it doesn't exist in trunk |
| 00:51.56 | lmurray | Few months ago still didn't have it |
| 00:52.05 | sreich | not wtih me |
| 00:52.06 | sreich | *with |
| 00:52.29 | lmurray | It was removed just before 4.3 hard freeze |
| 00:52.53 | lmurray | That was May last year |
| 00:53.04 | lmurray | Ah, this year |
| 00:53.24 | lmurray | 5 months :) |
| 00:53.31 | sreich | yeah, didn't think our releases were *that* long :D |
| 00:53.53 | lmurray | has been unemployed so long I don't know what year it is |
| 00:54.02 | lmurray | Isn't it 2010? |
| 00:54.14 | sreich | not yet :p |
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| 00:54.19 | lmurray | :< |
| 00:54.47 | sreich | if it were, it would be only a few months before I graduate highschool ;) |
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| 00:59.59 | SmatZ | why does KDE4 'crash' almost everytime I leave fullscreen SDL app :-x |
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| 01:04.38 | reagleBRKLN | in 4.3.2 which option is it where I set the screen edges to move to the other desktops? |
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| 01:06.21 | umeboshi | reagleBRKLN: system settings/desktop/screen edges |
| 01:06.40 | umeboshi | other settings at the bottom of dialog |
| 01:06.48 | PovAddict | sreich: amarok can't upgrade the firmware of an iPod touch |
| 01:07.04 | sreich | PovAddict: you mean rockbox |
| 01:07.11 | sreich | yeah, I know, if only it supported all of them |
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| 01:07.20 | PovAddict | no, I don't mean rockbox |
| 01:07.26 | reagleBRKLN | umeboshi: ah, yes, at the very bottom. |
| 01:07.35 | PovAddict | you can't use amarok to upgrade an iPod's firmware, you need iTunes |
| 01:07.49 | sreich | oh, I see |
| 01:08.20 | reagleBRKLN | i decided to trash my 3.5.10 config files for the most part, so I'm refitting the desktop to my tastes with a clean install |
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| 01:08.27 | Zach_the_Lizard | you can use Amarok to transfer music to an iPod, though |
| 01:08.33 | reagleBRKLN | too much cruft |
| 01:08.51 | reagleBRKLN | hrmm.. when I hit alt-tab, the focus on my windows circulates, but I get no switcher |
| 01:08.55 | PovAddict | Zach_the_Lizard: is the database of recent ipods reverse-engineered yet? |
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| 01:09.05 | umeboshi | reagleBRKLN: I've spent 5 years configuring kde3 to my tastes, so trashing my config is not as easy :( |
| 01:09.15 | umeboshi | reagleBRKLN: I just updated this weekend |
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| 01:09.25 | PovAddict | Zach_the_Lizard: last I heard, a group of people started work on it, and apple sent a cease and desist |
| 01:09.36 | reagleBRKLN | umeboshi: I know, but I think I had a lot of cruft in there over the years, so after a few days, I'm kind of starting over. |
| 01:10.09 | reagleBRKLN | i'll keep some my kmail and konq stuff, but redoing everything else |
| 01:10.17 | umeboshi | reagleBRKLN: I've got a mixture of cruft and important items |
| 01:10.28 | umeboshi | yes, my kmail is precisely what I don't want to lose |
| 01:10.32 | reagleBRKLN | yea, my proxy settings, java script, KMail filters, etc. |
| 01:10.39 | Zach_the_Lizard | PovAddict: I don't know anything about the recent ones, like iPod touch or anything. I I think it works with 5 or 5.5G at least |
| 01:10.42 | umeboshi | it took a long time to get that working right :) |
| 01:10.48 | sreich | yeah, I like to start over from time to time also.. |
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| 01:10.53 | Zach_the_Lizard | PovAddict: It may not actually update their database, though |
| 01:10.55 | sreich | it also gives you insight of the new features that you didn't know about |
| 01:11.06 | Zach_the_Lizard | PovAddict: I can check right quick |
| 01:11.09 | PovAddict | I did sync my (jailbroken) iPod touch with amarok over wifi |
| 01:11.21 | PovAddict | it made a bit of a mess |
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| 01:11.54 | PovAddict | and afaik it won't work at all with firmware 2.x or 3.x because the DB format changed |
| 01:13.08 | Zach_the_Lizard | I think it works with iPods below the iPod touch |
| 01:13.21 | Zach_the_Lizard | mine is a 5G |
| 01:13.23 | Zach_the_Lizard | and it works |
| 01:13.33 | PovAddict | over USB? |
| 01:13.42 | Zach_the_Lizard | yeah |
| 01:13.51 | reagleBRKLN | sadly, my switcher isn't working with this fresh config |
| 01:13.54 | PovAddict | well, nothing is doable over USB on a 'touch |
| 01:14.12 | Zach_the_Lizard | I haven't had a chance of trying it out with a touch |
| 01:14.15 | PovAddict | someone tried to reverse engineer the USB protocol |
| 01:14.38 | PovAddict | last thing he reported is he found a SSL tunnel being created |
| 01:14.43 | PovAddict | then blog died... probably gave up |
| 01:15.04 | umeboshi | reagleBRKLN: the alt-tab behaviour may have something to do with the desktop effects |
| 01:15.05 | Zach_the_Lizard | they never did reverse engineer the Zune, either |
| 01:15.12 | umeboshi | reagleBRKLN: I just noticed the same thing myself |
| 01:15.27 | reagleBRKLN | umeboshi: you just cycle the focus, but don't get nice thumbnails? |
| 01:15.52 | umeboshi | no thumnails or icons, just different windows popping up |
| 01:16.06 | reagleBRKLN | there's one option at Desktop Effects/Effect for window switching |
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| 01:16.23 | reagleBRKLN | and then there's more cool effects in All Effects tab |
| 01:16.28 | reagleBRKLN | but none of them are taking |
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| 01:18.04 | PovAddict | I alt-tab to switch between the two front-most windows... fast |
| 01:18.10 | PovAddict | so I don't want any fancy switcher to show up |
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| 01:19.17 | reagleBRKLN | PovAddict: Fair enough, but I'd like to know why it doesn't work for me still :) |
| 01:20.19 | PovAddict | dear god... someone in #debian is trying to use NTFS as root filesystem on Linux |
| 01:20.41 | Zach_the_Lizard | LOL |
| 01:20.54 | Zach_the_Lizard | stop him, quickly! |
| 01:21.00 | PovAddict | we're trying |
| 01:21.05 | umeboshi | lol, tell them to go to #ubuntu ;) |
| 01:21.09 | sreich | haha |
| 01:21.18 | PovAddict | < Jacktom> Linux doesn't care what file system I use as root, as long as /sbin/init loads (which is a custom init I made myself) |
| 01:22.20 | PovAddict | < Jacktom> The boss requirees all file systems on all company computers to be supported by Windows 2000 or NT 4 out of the box without third party drivers. |
| 01:22.26 | PovAddict | oh god |
| 01:22.56 | sreich | poor guy :) |
| 01:22.57 | umeboshi | well, there's always fat32 using the umsdos |
| 01:23.13 | sreich | yeah, or do an ntfs partition to share data |
| 01:23.28 | reagleBRKLN | huh, maybe i need to nuke me .kde again, and see if i can get a switch effect back, umeboshi did you make any progress? |
| 01:23.34 | umeboshi | I used to run zipslack a long time ago on fat32 on a zip drive |
| 01:24.10 | umeboshi | no, I tried fiddling with all the effects and still just got windows changing, but no icons (or thumbs) |
| 01:24.30 | reagleBRKLN | huh, well, will start with fresh .kde, see what happens. bbs |
| 01:24.38 | umeboshi | gool luck :) |
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| 01:24.44 | umeboshi | good :) |
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| 01:41.21 | PovAddict | my focused top-level windows have a blue glow around them... can I disable it, or make it black so it's like a shadow? |
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| 01:44.52 | Zach_the_Lizard | PovAddict: I think that's one of the desktop effects |
| 01:44.54 | Zach_the_Lizard | PovAddict: you should be able to remove it somehow |
| 01:45.15 | Parkotron | Currently KPat stores only one set of statistics for Spider. It doesn't treat the 1, 2 and 4 suit variants differently. I'm trying to fix that, but I'm not sure of what to do with the player's existing statistics. Currently I've left the old data in the statistics dialog and labeled it "Spider (Old Lumped Data)", but obviously that's not an ideal name. Throwing away the data also seems like a bad idea. |
| 01:45.23 | Parkotron | Does anybody have any suggestions? What would you, as a user, expect to happen? |
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| 01:45.30 | Parkotron | Oh, and all of the above also applies to the draw 1 and draw 3 variants of Klondike. |
| 01:45.53 | PovAddict | I just installed konversation btw |
| 01:45.59 | PovAddict | copied my old konversationrc from kde3.5 |
| 01:46.24 | PovAddict | the contents of that file looked pretty ugly... |
| 01:46.54 | PovAddict | can I have a two-row taskbar? |
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| 01:49.10 | PovAddict | I see, turns into two-row when needed |
| 01:53.18 | PovAddict | ugh |
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| 01:53.47 | PovAddict | KDE 4.3.1, composited desktop, lots of alpha-blended stuff... |
| 01:54.17 | PovAddict | and the "what's this" popup still has a fake shadow made by adding a pattern of black pixels to a static snapshot of what's behind |
| 01:54.32 | PovAddict | that piece of Qt really needs to be dragged to the future |
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| 01:56.16 | GiantTalkingCow | What KDE really needs is a UI overhaul. Spacing, layout and visible options all matter. At least most of the underlying tech is quite decent, now. |
| 01:59.08 | sreich | GiantTalkingCow: put them in specific writing, and let us know (if they are useful).. |
| 02:00.25 | GiantTalkingCow | sreich: Will do. I'll probably end up writing my own HIG by accident. (one issue leads to another and so on) :P |
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| 02:00.47 | PovAddict | one problem I have is... |
| 02:01.02 | PovAddict | I'm using Debian testing; which isn't exactly slow to update, compared to others |
| 02:01.25 | PovAddict | but suppose I report/fix something minor, like contributing a missing piece of "what's this" help |
| 02:01.39 | sreich | is it kde 4.3 |
| 02:01.41 | PovAddict | how much time will pass until that is in a new package? |
| 02:01.51 | PovAddict | sreich: 4.3.1 |
| 02:01.59 | sreich | yes, contributing "what's this" texts would be great |
| 02:02.02 | sreich | PovAddict: it's fine |
| 02:02.11 | sreich | we don't add a whole lot in between minor releases |
| 02:02.18 | sreich | mostly bug fixes |
| 02:02.35 | Zach_the_Lizard | sreich: Are there any "what's this" texts that are most pressing? |
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| 02:02.50 | PovAddict | well but like I said... I contribute a typo fix in a checkbox in preferences |
| 02:03.14 | PovAddict | when will I actually get an updated package in debian with that fix? months later? |
| 02:03.35 | sreich | Zach_the_Lizard: Not sure. I suppose that'd be an opinion really |
| 02:04.01 | sreich | Zach_the_Lizard: I know Dolphin doesn't have any really..I've been wanting to get around to that, but have been doing bigger things lately.. |
| 02:04.24 | Zach_the_Lizard | Is there a style guide that should be followed? |
| 02:04.35 | PovAddict | I suppose that is indeed an advantage of web apps... if I let the admin know of a typo he could get a fix online in minutes |
| 02:04.49 | PovAddict | Zach_the_Lizard: that's usually universally missing |
| 02:05.10 | PovAddict | Zach_the_Lizard: and any "how to write" guide needs to be done for all languages... |
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| 02:06.05 | Zach_the_Lizard | well, I suppose I can take a look at various things that already have strings, study them, and try to fit it into a consistent style, if possible |
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| 02:06.37 | PovAddict | does gnome have a "what's this" feature? |
| 02:06.39 | sreich | PovAddict: We don't backport string changes, so it would come in the next major release |
| 02:06.56 | sreich | PovAddict: Zach_the_Lizardalso remember, use tooltips, and/or whatsThis' when appropriate |
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| 02:07.23 | sreich | certain ones depend on the context in which they are use, so some are more fitting for one area, or both can be fitting for an area, etc.. |
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| 02:07.47 | sreich | PovAddict: so a bunch of months, + the time your distro takes to receive it |
| 02:07.57 | Zach_the_Lizard | better than never |
| 02:08.02 | PovAddict | well that's very discouraging |
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| 02:08.15 | PovAddict | humans need quicker gratification than that :) |
| 02:08.20 | Zach_the_Lizard | You could always go through the joy of building KDE right after that stuff is comitted |
| 02:08.24 | sreich | yeah..you could build from trunk |
| 02:08.43 | sreich | PovAddict: think of it this way...the more you get done as you race against the string freeze, the more you can see in the next release ;-) |
| 02:09.01 | PovAddict | yeah but for that I need to be *using* a version that's not already string-frozen |
| 02:09.26 | PovAddict | why are strings frozen? to let translators work on something stable? |
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| 02:10.30 | Parkotron | PovAddict: Exacly. |
| 02:10.32 | PovAddict | what about fixes to the translations? I only installed KDE4 today, and already saw several checkboxes that I *can't decipher the meaning of*; maybe I'd understand it if I saw the original English text |
| 02:10.49 | PovAddict | and also maybe guess what the translator misunderstood |
| 02:12.00 | sreich | PovAddict: strings are unfrozen in trunk after a major release |
| 02:12.23 | sreich | PovAddict: but just because we are in a string freeze, doesn't mean you can't just keep the patches and apply them later |
| 02:13.05 | PovAddict | I think typos and fixing bad translations are minor changes, compared to (say) adding features, so they're exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from a minor upgrade... |
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| 02:15.05 | sreich | PovAddict: well the problem with that, is that right before a release hits, we tag the version as say... 4.3, from "trunk"(most recent). They are both equivalent at that point in time, but following after the release, we perform all of our work in trunk, new features, strings are unfrozen, etc. |
| 02:15.27 | sreich | PovAddict: then if there is e.g. a bug that hits a lot of people in 4.3 from there, we have to take our change from trunk, and "backport" it to 4.3 |
| 02:15.38 | sreich | well.. 4.3.1 |
| 02:15.48 | sreich | essentially. |
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| 02:16.07 | PovAddict | right, I understand that |
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| 02:16.29 | sreich | so it's rather a pain in the ass to add new strings, along with translators backporting their changes.. |
| 02:16.33 | sreich | just makes it impossible |
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| 02:17.02 | sreich | I don't like the concept of minor revisions though..I prefer only minor revisions for like hot-patching kind of things..something that is big that hits a lot of people... |
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| 02:17.27 | sreich | some other people tend to use them for not-so-criticals |
| 02:18.30 | sreich | PovAddict: anyways, even if strings are frozen and what not, users can still find other ways to help us out. |
| 02:19.00 | PovAddict | I prefer an evolving system than a frozen system that every few months gets major changes done |
| 02:19.14 | Zach_the_Lizard | then you'd probably like Gentoo |
| 02:19.19 | PovAddict | (took me a while to take the 3.5 -> 4 step) |
| 02:20.05 | sreich | PovAddict: yeah, I know what you mean |
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| 02:20.23 | sreich | but that's just me, as I use archlinux and love the "rolling-release" and up-to-date stance |
| 02:21.01 | PovAddict | I don't like seeing a typo every day I use my machine, to only be fixed months later... along with the addition of a hundred major features |
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| 02:22.02 | krisfremen | ok so... |
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| 02:22.49 | KWhat4 | what is causing kde4 to loose windows ? |
| 02:23.09 | krisfremen | i'm still getting some errors about kioslave |
| 02:23.17 | KWhat4 | i have a firefox window open thats in my task manager but is not on any desktop and click it yelds nothing |
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| 02:24.21 | krisfremen | klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_media'. |
| 02:24.23 | PovAddict | Debian squeeze, Konversation 1.2-beta1, KDE 4.3.1, Spanish translation; Preferences -> Configure Konversation -> Nickname list; two controls have the same access key, and the tab order seems almost random |
| 02:26.03 | PovAddict | I think it's ridiculous to have to wait for KDE4.4 to have proper tab order in that panel; how is it a "major" change? |
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| 02:26.26 | sreich | PovAddict: it isn't. |
| 02:26.27 | krisfremen | what is causing that? |
| 02:26.31 | Parkotron | PovAddict: That wouldn't be. That's a bug. |
| 02:27.14 | PovAddict | and the duplicate access key? that's a string change, and only in the Spanish translation |
| 02:27.17 | sreich | PovAddict: but it also is not necessarily trivial to backport. It is at the discretion of the developer to decide what to backport... |
| 02:28.39 | Parkotron | PovAddict: Exceptions can be made to fix bugs in translations. That at worst can only break one translation. String freeze really applies to the original English strings as breaking them breaks all translations. |
| 02:29.04 | Parkotron | PovAddict: Report a bug against the translation. It might just get fixed. |
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| 02:29.36 | PovAddict | if there's a typo in the English version, as opposed to a change in meaning, it's a quick search-and-replace to get the translations up-to-date as well |
| 02:30.39 | Parkotron | PovAddict: I don't follow. If the string was "apple" but should have been "banana" how is that a quick find and replace? |
| 02:31.43 | PovAddict | if the string was "aple" but it should have been "apple", and the translator already used "manzana" in the spanish translation, you don't have to break the translation, just change the "source text" for it |
| 02:32.07 | PovAddict | if the string was "apple" but should have been "banana" then all translations of it are surely wrong in the same way |
| 02:32.17 | PovAddict | so yes, there you'd break all translations |
| 02:32.26 | sreich | goes to bed.. |
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| 02:34.51 | PovAddict | here's a bug that doesn't need a release to fix... |
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| 02:35.05 | PovAddict | http://quality.kde.org/develop/howto/howtoui.php link to "Qt Designer" is broken |
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| 02:40.09 | PovAddict | argh |
| 02:40.35 | PovAddict | middle click in konqueror goes to the page I have on my selection buffer |
| 02:40.37 | PovAddict | how do I disable that? |
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| 02:45.16 | PovAddict | wow, Konqueror4 actually works with Facebook... |
| 02:45.26 | PovAddict | in KDE3.5, that was one of the many websites I had to use Firefox for |
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| 03:32.47 | jpedroza1 | Evening all, I thought I rememebred a way to set GTK apps to use KDE prefs, but I am not finding it. This is Kubunty 9.04. |
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| 03:39.26 | KWhat4 | and why is it eating my cpu |
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| 03:40.19 | KWhat4 | never mind |
| 03:40.22 | KWhat4 | its open office |
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| 03:43.33 | mahasamoot | I'm runing KDE 4.3.2 on Mandriva 2010, and plasma is still a crash test dummy. What's wrong with plasma? Does it just need to mature, or is it fundamentally flawed? |
| 03:44.29 | mahasamoot | Why does plasma crash when trying to add aplets? |
| 03:44.40 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: I am running it on Kubuntu 9.04 and have no issues. What are you experiencing? |
| 03:45.10 | mahasamoot | I had issues on Kubuntu 9.04. |
| 03:45.28 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: May I ask what video driver you have? |
| 03:45.45 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: And what issues you are experiencing. |
| 03:46.08 | mahasamoot | It you try to add the wrong aplet plasma crashes, if you try to configure the wrong aplet, plasma crashes |
| 03:46.46 | mahasamoot | nvidia 185.18.36 |
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| 03:47.02 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: Is it a crash or a freeze? I seem to recall it freezing when adding a new applet. I had to delete my kde plasma prefs in ~/.kde and then it worked correctly. |
| 03:47.37 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: I am using 180.44 of the NVidia driver. |
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| 03:47.45 | mahasamoot | it crashes, I have to hit alt-f2, and run plasma-desktop |
| 03:48.34 | mahasamoot | do you think it's Nvidia? |
| 03:48.35 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: Sorry, I have never experienced that. |
| 03:48.43 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: That is a possibility |
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| 03:49.11 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: Have you tried rolling it back to a 180 version? |
| 03:49.40 | mahasamoot | I'm not sure if I can do that on Mandriva |
| 03:50.45 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: not sure how to do it on Mandriva. Last time I used that it was called Mandrake. =) |
| 03:51.50 | mahasamoot | but, I'm not so sure, I've seen these same problems all along, on kubuntu, and now on mandriva, ... which is why I'm starting to think that plasma is a bad design that will never be robust. |
| 03:52.40 | szal | mahasamoot: how about you look for a bug in Mandriva's bug reporting system and file one if it doesn't exist? if I am informed correctly Mdv 2010 isn't final yet |
| 03:52.42 | jpedroza1 | mahasamoot: I wish I could confirm that, but I have had few problems. Of course, systems are different... |
| 03:55.40 | szal | as far as my experience w/ current KDE versions on openSUSE 11.1 goes, it's largely flawless |
| 03:56.00 | szal | though I don't go about adding a host of applets ;) |
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| 03:57.40 | szal | I believe I had to rework the layout on upgrading to KDE 4.3.0 |
| 03:59.14 | szal | so that might be your issue if you previously used KDE 4.2.x or an older version.. in that case move or delete ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc and ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc, restart X and rebuild your layout |
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| 04:00.47 | mahasamoot | szal: you might be right, I did install over the old version, I'll try that. thanks |
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| 05:20.40 | peterius | I keep having to hit the power button every time an app crashes, DontZap doesn't seem to work anymore, and setxkbmap seemed, but x still locks up, any ideas? Its 1.6 |
| 05:20.43 | peterius | kde4 |
| 05:22.15 | junkDawgie | disable desktop effects yet, peterius? |
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| 05:22.28 | peterius | no, is that it? |
| 05:22.37 | peterius | plasma can't handle ctrl alt backspace? |
| 05:24.02 | junkDawgie | if x is hanging and leaving you an unrecoverable situation... the first thing i would do is go systemsettings>Desktop>DesktopEffects and disable all effects to see if that had any effect. |
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| 05:24.49 | peterius | geez, kde4 is basically unusable without that... |
| 05:25.06 | peterius | but I guess I'll try it |
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| 05:32.35 | peterius | junkDawgie, I don't know, desktop effects doesn't seem to matter, ctrl alt backspace works okay |
| 05:32.46 | peterius | it must be the bug in the app that's hanging is really bad |
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| 05:33.49 | naiad | when using bookmarks with remote sites, is there a way to close the connection+all open files? |
| 05:34.23 | junkDawgie | peterius: if that had no effect, then yes, i'd suspect the app too |
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| 05:40.56 | peterius | junkDawgie, yeah, corrupted mime.cache apparently |
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| 05:44.37 | junkDawgie | that from xsession errors? |
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| 05:48.22 | peterius | junkDawgie, ? |
| 05:49.10 | KWhat4 | what version of qt should be installed |
| 05:49.14 | KWhat4 | w/ kde4? |
| 05:49.29 | junkDawgie | peterius: just wondering if the .xsession-errors file is where you see an mime problem |
| 05:50.00 | peterius | no, before it crashed, I saw the segmentation fault from gdb and tracked the bug down |
| 05:50.09 | peterius | and then moving my mime.cache and the crashes stopped |
| 05:50.20 | peterius | its my fault, but it still shouldn't crash like that |
| 05:50.42 | junkDawgie | i see... thanks for the info |
| 05:51.24 | peterius | junkDawgie, are you like a kde developer? |
| 05:51.43 | junkDawgie | no, just a normal user... :) |
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| 05:53.41 | junkDawgie | KWhat4: as far as i know, there isn't a required version of Qt4, kde4.1-2 were mostly implemented with Qt 4.4... kde4.3 with Qt4.5 |
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| 06:08.18 | WXYZ | A gnome is a fictional humanoid creature characterized by its extremely small size and subterranean lifestyle.[1] The word gnome is derived from the New Latin gnomus. It is claimed to descend from the Greek γνÏÏÎ¹Ï gnosis, "knowledge", but more likely comes from genomos "earth-dweller", in which case the omission of e is, as the OED calls it, a blunder. |
| 06:08.20 | WXYZ | Paracelsus includes gnomes in his list of elementals, as earth elementals. He describes them as two spans high, and very taciturn.[2] It is possible that Paracelsus simply made the name up. Sometimes they are seen as a type of fairy, though at other times are seen as a distinct species in their own right. |
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| 07:56.39 | _julian | hi |
| 07:56.53 | _julian | is it possible to print documents from okular including the notes I added? |
| 07:57.46 | Tm_T | _julian: I would assume yes, but not sure, have you crawled thru settings to see if there's anything related? |
| 07:57.57 | _julian | Tm_T: could not find anything |
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| 08:08.29 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 08:22.02 | Tm_T | _julian: let me know if you find anything |
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| 08:28.11 | radekl | Hello, i've got problem with compile of pykde: http://wklej.org/id/188000/ |
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| 08:58.54 | Elvanor | Is there a tool to rebuild the application menu in KDE 4? |
| 08:59.01 | Elvanor | I just installed Kate but there is no icon |
| 08:59.50 | cb400f | more likely to be a packaging error if you ask me |
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| 09:02.10 | Elvanor | cb400f: true |
| 09:03.12 | Elvanor | but where are the files controlling the application menu? |
| 09:03.55 | bottiger_ | I remember in the early releases of kde4 you had the option to import google gadgets, mac os x widgets etc |
| 09:04.12 | bottiger_ | It never worket, but the "option was there" |
| 09:04.30 | bottiger_ | is it still on the todo list, or has it officially been dropped? |
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| 09:12.02 | cb400f | bottiger_: worked fine here.. don't think I've tried since 4.2 though |
| 09:12.35 | cb400f | .. they don't look and feel quite right.. and there was just too many of them :-) .. 1600 or so |
| 09:12.36 | bottiger_ | cb400f: well - I use 4.3 at the moment - and the option for importing a google gadgets is simply gone |
| 09:12.56 | bottiger_ | cb400f: which distro are you using? |
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| 09:14.17 | cb400f | bottiger_: opensuse.. there's a kdebase4-workspace-google-gadgets package available |
| 09:14.32 | cb400f | don't have it installed right now though |
| 09:14.42 | bottiger_ | cb400f: ahh - I run kubuntu, that may explain it |
| 09:14.53 | bottiger_ | I couldn't find a similar package here |
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| 10:02.23 | Jimbo | I'm trying out the Kubuntu RC (I'm a Gnome user usually), I've installed several new wallpapers using the "Get new wallpapers" function, but I have no idea where the pictures have been saved. They don't appear to be in usr/share/wallpaper which seems to be the default folder for wallpapers. Am I being an idiot here or is this install wallpaper feature supposed to hide the pictures from me as part of a sadistic test. |
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| 10:08.47 | Rasi | why are there 2 gpg management tools in kde? |
| 10:08.52 | Rasi | there is kgpg and kleopatra |
| 10:09.59 | Tm_T | in my mind Kleopatra is part of Kontact (kdepim) and kgpg is more general tool |
| 10:10.35 | Tm_T | it doesn't explain "why" though |
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| 10:25.20 | martin123 | hi |
| 10:26.39 | martin123 | iam using kde 4.3.2 and added a new panel, now i want "icons" on this panel (to start my fav. programms faster) but i dont get it how to add "icons" there |
| 10:27.03 | martin123 | the only thing i can add are widgets and spacer |
| 10:30.51 | Bou | martin123: open the K menu |
| 10:31.14 | Bou | find the application you want in your panel, right-click on it --> 'Add to panel' |
| 10:32.05 | Bou | you can even 'drag' an app from the K menu to the panel, it should do the same |
| 10:32.41 | martin123 | ahh, ok, first add a Kmenu-widget, then add my icons then remove the kmenuwidget... |
| 10:32.43 | martin123 | thanks |
| 10:33.09 | martin123 | i cant drag icons from the panel1-kmenu to panel2 |
| 10:33.23 | martin123 | i have to add a kmenu to panel2 ... |
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| 10:44.52 | Bou | martin123: interesting.. |
| 10:45.11 | Bou | by the way most people always keep the K menu inside the panel |
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| 10:45.33 | Bou | but in your case that is indeed a pain to add app (unless I ignore another way to achieve it) |
| 10:48.32 | martin123 | its not that big pain :) |
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| 10:49.20 | martin123 | but not as "userfriedly" as it should be |
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| 11:01.30 | martin123 | its also possible to drag from panel1-kmenu to the desktop, and then from the desktop to panel2 |
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| 11:14.59 | Niek | Jimbo: I've wondered about that as well. =) |
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| 13:04.57 | eoliva | I'm using debian, and installed the qtcurve package, but when using some themes, it works only for the panel, and a few other things, my window colors are still the same. I want to change the style of window titles, the colors, actually I want to set my theme like this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kdust?content=114374 |
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| 13:07.26 | Yukinf | I have a question. How an application know the user has chosen to logout/restart/poweroff? |
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| 14:22.18 | mrbig4545 | hey guys, im switching to kde4.3.2 from xfce4, and i'd really really like it if i could change the desktop right click menu to be the application menu |
| 14:22.28 | mrbig4545 | i seem to think i could do it in the old kde, 3.5 |
| 14:26.22 | cb400f | you can put a menu (kickoff, raptor, lancelot, classic menu) widget on the desktop and click on that ;-) |
| 14:26.52 | cb400f | seem to remember somebody blagging about bringing that feature back for kde 4.4.. not sure... |
| 14:27.04 | cb400f | it's Linus' favourite feature too iirc :-) |
| 14:27.19 | cb400f | guess it comes from fvwm or something? :-) |
| 14:27.35 | cb400f | mrbig4545: ^ |
| 14:28.00 | mrbig4545 | im not sure |
| 14:28.05 | moofang | plasma definitely plans to allow you to customize what happens when you right click (left click, middle click, scroll, etc) the desktop in 4.4, its in fact on trunk already :) |
| 14:28.07 | mrbig4545 | its in xfce4, and kde3.5 |
| 14:28.08 | cb400f | or use alt+f2.. or alt+f1 |
| 14:28.09 | mrbig4545 | brilliant |
| 14:28.15 | moofang | but I'm not sure if application menu was part of the options |
| 14:28.16 | mrbig4545 | kde4.3 is still very lacking |
| 14:28.21 | mrbig4545 | but kinda usable now |
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| 14:28.38 | cb400f | yeah, sure.. doesn't have nearly as many features as xfce :-) |
| 14:28.43 | mrbig4545 | although they seem to have made it too n00b friendly, and removed all the advanced stuff |
| 14:28.50 | mrbig4545 | hopefully it'll be back soon enough |
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| 14:29.25 | mrbig4545 | anyway, i guess its not possible, so ill accpet it |
| 14:29.29 | mrbig4545 | accept* |
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| 19:49.14 | sobczyk | is there similar desktop switcher like the one by default in kubuntu? |
| 19:49.22 | sobczyk | ubuntu |
| 19:49.54 | Bou | sobczyk: desktop switcher in the panel? |
| 19:50.03 | mango_make | hmm, built bluemarble, got msg about glshaders not supported, commented out all shaders and rebiult, --> system does not suport opengl |
| 19:50.48 | sobczyk | Bou: I'd want to have it similat to pressing Alt + arrows and see where the switch will be |
| 19:51.01 | sobczyk | no mouse needed |
| 19:51.31 | sobczyk | the grid is slow for that |
| 19:52.23 | Bou | sobczyk: not sure , but check the system settings > keyboard > global shortcuts > kwin |
| 19:52.29 | Bou | mayeb you'll find there |
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| 19:53.17 | fallertsen | hei you all, I've a problem with kmail. I suppose lots of you use it, so maybe you can help me :-) |
| 19:53.46 | fallertsen | I've opened a maildir of kmail directly with mutt (mutt -f maildir) |
| 19:54.02 | fallertsen | now all the mails I've seen with mutt disappeard from kmail |
| 19:54.11 | fallertsen | it seems to be a white mail |
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| 19:54.21 | fallertsen | but the file is still there |
| 19:54.57 | fallertsen | I didn't have this problem on kmail 4.2.4 |
| 19:55.03 | fallertsen | now I'm on kde 4.3.2 |
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| 19:57.23 | sobczyk | Bou: ok something similar is there, swithing is fine though no grid is displayed |
| 19:57.31 | sobczyk | grid like in compiz |
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| 19:59.00 | Bou | yes i see your point |
| 19:59.29 | Bou | i personnally use ctrl+alt+ arrow as keyboard shortcuts |
| 19:59.52 | sobczyk | ok there is "browse desktops" though it works like alt+tab, arrows browsing is not possible |
| 20:00.31 | Bou | then configure "move to desktop on the right" to a custom shortcut involving arrows? |
| 20:01.17 | sobczyk | I did it like that already :), though combining these two would be neat |
| 20:01.38 | sobczyk | all arrows + preview |
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| 20:10.07 | Frogbarf | something strange has been happening in kde4.2 and 4.3 that I can only "raise" windows by clicking on the titlebars regardless of focus rules. |
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| 20:10.23 | Frogbarf | Is there some setting I am missing? |
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| 20:12.22 | Frogbarf | i thought that updating to kde 4.3 would fix it, it didn't and it happens seemingly at random. The only "fix' i know at this time is to log out |
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| 20:15.55 | Frogbarf | for example, if i have a terminal open and it's behind other windows, I can only "raise" it by cliking on the title bar. Clicking anywhere else in the teminal window does nothing. |
| 20:16.31 | Frogbarf | Firefox is the only winow that behaves normally |
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| 20:18.50 | Fri13 | Frogbarf: does even "Focus follows mouse" work with the "rise automatically focussed window"? |
| 20:19.06 | Frogbarf | yes and no. |
| 20:19.22 | Frogbarf | The wijndow becomes active but does not raise until I click on the title bar |
| 20:20.05 | Frogbarf | It's as if some strict mouse rule exists that says "only raise window when toolbar is clicked" |
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| 20:25.50 | Frogbarf | It looks like this with focus following mouse |
| 20:25.51 | Frogbarf | http://tinyurl.com/ylfoqrz |
| 20:26.07 | Tomasu | silly question, how can I close a notification that's taller than my screen? I cant see the X button to close it... or see any of the other items... |
| 20:26.18 | Frogbarf | The conversation window on the right has focus, but it's not raised |
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| 20:28.07 | Frogbarf | I'd like to be able to click anywhere in a window and have the window come to the front where I can see it |
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| 20:28.38 | PhilRod | Tomasu: Alt+LMB drag to move the window without the titlebar |
| 20:29.22 | Tomasu | I dont think you can drag popup notification windows like that |
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| 20:29.42 | Tomasu | this is the plasma notification popups... |
| 20:29.52 | Tomasu | it doesn't seem to work though |
| 20:30.25 | reagleBRKLN | i've upgrade to 4.3 from 3.5 and I really like have 4 or 5 "open with options" in konqie, I only get two now, with a submenu. any way to increase that? |
| 20:31.02 | zizo | Hi all, i'm using kde 4.3.1. When kde starts it is a bit messed up: there is a big shadow in top-left corner and superkaramba objects comes out firstly into the middle, and then in the right place. Can i fix them? |
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| 20:31.29 | black_Nightmare | hey |
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| 20:33.51 | sobczyk | reagleBRKLN: I think it depend on file associations (change it in system settings advanced tab file associations) |
| 20:34.06 | zizo | Ah! Another big problem is that if i use desktop in the "old way" icons goes up (about 4cm) everytime kde starts, lol :) |
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| 20:34.35 | reagleBRKLN | sobczyk: the things listed, and their order are certainly there, but i don't see an option for how many of them to include them in the File menu itself |
| 20:34.55 | Phlogi_ | is there a way to reset all phonon settings? It does not play any sound any longer... as it gets my 5.1 card wrong somehow |
| 20:34.58 | Half-Left | Tomasu: You can drag notifications out |
| 20:35.32 | Tomasu | Half-Left: the title bar for the notification is above the top of my screen, and trying to drag it in the main text area does nothing |
| 20:35.44 | black_Nightmare | just had to ask out of curiousity but how widely supported is Kpart? |
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| 20:36.21 | Half-Left | Tomasu: A hand should appear when you mouse over the top of the notification |
| 20:36.41 | Tomasu | the top is hidden |
| 20:36.44 | Half-Left | Just like the Calendar |
| 20:37.05 | Tomasu | I'll make a screenshot |
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| 20:37.57 | Half-Left | Phlogi_: Hit the "Defaults" button |
| 20:38.41 | Phlogi_ | Half-Left: ok, let me try that |
| 20:38.48 | Phlogi_ | now I can play test sound, but still no sound in amarok |
| 20:39.09 | Half-Left | What device is set? |
| 20:39.55 | Phlogi_ | Sblive 5.1, adc capture/standard pcm playback |
| 20:40.04 | Phlogi_ | i can hear test sound on this device |
| 20:40.06 | Tomasu | Half-Left: excuse the inflamitory name of the file, http://strangesoft.net/kdebug.png |
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| 20:40.19 | Tomasu | too tired to come up with something properly descriptive ;D |
| 20:40.27 | Phlogi_ | humm what is PT Playback? |
| 20:41.09 | Phlogi_ | works :) |
| 20:41.15 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Oh so it's just too big for the screen? |
| 20:41.20 | Tomasu | yes. |
| 20:41.26 | Phlogi_ | the reason for the problem was maybe a kernel change (alsa) |
| 20:41.26 | Tomasu | Id like to close it so I can see the other items |
| 20:41.52 | Half-Left | Click the notification area |
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| 20:43.20 | Tomasu | Half-Left: that doesnt remove the message from the widget, just hides it. |
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| 20:43.55 | Phlogi_ | hmm there is some noise and cracking in the sound output.. grr I hate alsa! ^ |
| 20:44.12 | Half-Left | Interesting bug :p |
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| 20:44.41 | reagleBRKLN | ah, look at this, a patch to reduce the number of open with options: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=121114397619724&w=2 |
| 20:44.52 | reagleBRKLN | The attached patch makes the number of those item configurable using an |
| 20:44.52 | reagleBRKLN | hidden kconfig option." |
| 20:44.57 | Tomasu | 4.3.2, it should be reproducable ;) just have a kernel bug pop up, and have the kwrited daemon setup ;D |
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| 20:45.10 | reagleBRKLN | so, how do i configure a "hiddenkconfig option"? |
| 20:45.21 | black_Nightmare | heh I've sometimes hated when sound chipsets don't function in the manner you wanted to or thought they would .. even on windows alone |
| 20:45.23 | Tomasu | reagleBRKLN: open the config file and try and find it? |
| 20:45.30 | black_Nightmare | but I guess such is life |
| 20:45.34 | reagleBRKLN | ah, I wonder which config file...? |
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| 20:46.15 | Tomasu | Half-Left: I take it you dont know of a way to close that item without say restarting plasma? |
| 20:46.57 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Nope |
| 20:47.02 | Tomasu | thanks |
| 20:47.16 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Just asking someone about it |
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| 20:51.18 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Looks like you'll have to restart Plasma with that one |
| 20:51.33 | Tomasu | doh. I hope 4.4 has something to fix that :o |
| 20:51.51 | Tomasu | thanks for looking into it :) |
| 20:52.08 | Half-Left | :) |
| 20:52.43 | Tomasu | yay for kquitapp... |
| 20:52.52 | Tomasu | ahh it wiped the other messages in there too |
| 20:53.01 | Tomasu | oh wwell probably wasnt anything important. |
| 20:53.17 | reagleBRKLN | Tomasu: I tried adding <OpenWithItems>5</OpenWithItems> to konqueror.rc and OpenWithItems=5 to konqueorrc |
| 20:53.24 | reagleBRKLN | doesn't seem to do anything |
| 20:53.39 | Half-Left | Shouldn't queue them up like that |
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| 20:54.14 | Tomasu | Half-Left: I didnt really have a choice, a kernel bug occured, and spewed 30+ items into it. |
| 20:54.36 | Tomasu | I got as far as the last 2 items before I got stopped by that extra tall one |
| 20:54.44 | Half-Left | Tomasu: I mean the notification system itself |
| 20:54.54 | Tomasu | what do you mean? |
| 20:55.13 | Half-Left | It shouldn't queue them up as high as that |
| 20:55.22 | Tomasu | it does :( |
| 20:55.31 | Tomasu | probably because of the extra tall one. |
| 20:55.43 | Tomasu | I bet if they are all a decent size, it'll work properly |
| 20:55.49 | Half-Left | Or fix so much text in one notification |
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| 20:55.54 | Half-Left | fit* |
| 20:56.01 | Tomasu | yeah, most of them were only a few lines long, but one was huge |
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| 20:58.37 | Tomasu | but I have seen messages pop up above the screen before. of course they were all a decent size, so closing lower ones moved the rest down so you could eventually close them all.. |
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| 20:58.49 | Tomasu | and you're saying it shouldn't queue them up like that at all? |
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| 21:00.34 | rogersman1 | Could someone please tell me how I might change the volume levels via the command line? My previous volume settings are never remembered...and yes, i checked "restore at logon" ;-) |
| 21:00.42 | minifig | Without the nvidia graphics drivers I get 1024x768, but with nvidia drivers I get 640x480. It is totally annoying. |
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| 21:01.02 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Apparently your app, whatever it is, it's abusing the notification system :p |
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| 21:02.52 | sreich | rogersman1: you can use 'alsamixer' if you have alsa |
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| 21:03.56 | Tomasu | its whatever grabs the broadcast messages... |
| 21:04.29 | minifig | Is there another room I need to ask in? |
| 21:05.05 | Tomasu | the kernel-oops-applet seems to grab oopses and bugs from syslog, and then writes them to all users using "write" _I think_, which some kde app picks up and pushes into the notification area |
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| 21:05.43 | rogersman1 | sreich: what do you mean by if I use alsa? I've always been a bit clueless about sound on linux... :-p |
| 21:06.14 | minifig | LInux makes things harder than they should be, in my opinion. |
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| 21:07.20 | minifig | Who do I need to talk to to get better than 640x480 with the nvidia drivers installed? |
| 21:07.32 | Tomasu | Half-Left: the kded "Write Daemon" module captures "write" messages, and the messages in question were sent using write from the kernel-oops-applet program.. I assume its the kded module thats acting up? |
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| 21:07.56 | sreich | rogersman1: you either use OSS for sound, or ALSA... |
| 21:08.33 | sreich | uses alsa because the last time I tried oss it would only allow 1 app at a time to output sound (so I would have to close out of e.g. amarok to listen to a video) |
| 21:08.47 | sreich | rogersman1: just run the command, you may or may not have the package |
| 21:09.06 | sreich | minifig: hopefully we can make it easier ;-) |
| 21:09.32 | minifig | One can hioe. |
| 21:09.36 | minifig | Hope |
| 21:09.39 | sreich | minifig: I have the crappy nvidia driver blobs, and am running dual-dispalys of 1600x900 |
| 21:10.14 | minifig | Without nvidia I get the resolution of 1024x768 I want. With nvidia drivers I am forced 640x480 |
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| 21:10.34 | sreich | minifig: did you run nvidia-settings? |
| 21:10.36 | minifig | Bloody annoying is an understatement. |
| 21:10.40 | minifig | Yes |
| 21:10.46 | Half-Left | Tomasu: I think the simple fact is, it shouldn't be using the notification area to spurt that amount of info out |
| 21:10.55 | minifig | Only resolutions shown are 640x480 and 320x240 |
| 21:10.55 | sreich | minifig: as root? |
| 21:10.57 | sreich | then save that to the X config file? |
| 21:10.58 | minifig | Yes |
| 21:10.59 | sreich | oh. |
| 21:11.09 | Tomasu | Half-Left: well maybe the kded write module should be removed then? ;) |
| 21:11.09 | sreich | you'll have to force it manually then, in the xorg.conf |
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| 21:11.19 | minifig | I can tell it 1024x768 in advance but that just screws everything up. |
| 21:11.20 | sreich | minifig: blame nvidia I guess :) |
| 21:11.20 | rogersman1 | sreich: yeah, alsaconfig, etc are installed....ffi is there a command to run to display which system I'm using... |
| 21:11.36 | Half-Left | Tomasu: The notification area is just that, not a note pad for reading output |
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| 21:12.01 | minifig | How do I force it? How safe is it to force it? |
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| 21:12.18 | sreich | doesn't matter |
| 21:12.31 | sreich | if your display really can't handle it, or anything in between, it just won't use it |
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| 21:12.42 | minifig | Should I re-install nvidia drivers and try forcing 1024x768? |
| 21:12.46 | sreich | it's not like if you get it wrong, your display device fries :p |
| 21:12.52 | Half-Left | Tomasu: What should happen it your kernel oops app should show only a notification that something has happened, not the whole debug output :p |
| 21:12.54 | sreich | minifig: I guess |
| 21:13.01 | Half-Left | is* |
| 21:13.04 | sreich | not sure why you have to reinstall though.. |
| 21:13.19 | sreich | or what "1024x768 in advance but that just screws everything up." means |
| 21:13.26 | Tomasu | Half-Left: all the kernel oops app does is use "write" to send the info to users logged in on a console. |
| 21:13.28 | minifig | I told it to use nvidia drivers, it didn't work so I told it to take out the drivers. |
| 21:13.40 | minifig | I don't need to re-install Linux, just nvidia drivers. |
| 21:13.43 | Tomasu | Half-Left: its the kded "write daemon" module that captures it and places it in the notification area |
| 21:14.16 | minifig | When I tell nvidia to use 1024x768 I have to move the mouse around and it scrolls the screen. |
| 21:14.37 | minifig | That is worse than having 640x480 resolution. |
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| 21:14.41 | sreich | yeah |
| 21:14.46 | sreich | feels like tunnel vision |
| 21:14.55 | sreich | idk..look in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf... |
| 21:14.55 | Half-Left | Tomasu: I think it's a case of it shouldn't be outputting so much text into that area |
| 21:15.04 | sreich | find the right resolution and try playing with it i guess |
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| 21:15.31 | Tomasu | Half-Left: what shouldnt be? the kernel oops app isn't putting anything into the notification area. |
| 21:15.37 | minifig | Well, if I install nvidia drivers again I am forced to 640x480 with no way to get a better resolution, that I know of. |
| 21:15.48 | Tomasu | Half-Left: its a kde component that picks it up and stuffs it all in there |
| 21:16.14 | minifig | When I first installed Mint it was 1600x1200 and that was too much. I went down to 1024x768. |
| 21:16.31 | minifig | I prefer 800x600 but I accept 1024x768. |
| 21:16.49 | minifig | LInux doesn't do well below 1024, in my opinion. |
| 21:16.54 | sreich | minifig: do what I have said... |
| 21:17.02 | minifig | What is that? |
| 21:17.02 | sreich | minifig: any OS doesn't look well when it's below that really |
| 21:17.11 | sreich | [17:14] <sreich> idk..look in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf... |
| 21:17.13 | minifig | Works fine in Windows. |
| 21:17.13 | sreich | [17:14] <sreich> find the right resolution and try playing with it i guess |
| 21:17.32 | sreich | "works" why would it *not* work? |
| 21:17.32 | minifig | Okay. I will see what I can do, |
| 21:17.40 | sreich | the fact is that it looks like crap on anything (imo) |
| 21:17.56 | sreich | unless you are talking about driver problems or something |
| 21:18.13 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Well, it should be limited then |
| 21:18.29 | Tomasu | Half-Left: that would be up to who ever maintains that kded module I think. |
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| 21:22.09 | rogersman1 | alsa appears to have installed correctly...gonna reboot and make sure...thanks for you help sriech |
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| 21:26.33 | Half-Left | Tomasu: What distro? |
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| 21:27.07 | Tomasu | Half-Left: debian |
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| 21:27.31 | Tecumseh | what would the normal respons time be for wishlist/bug items? |
| 21:27.59 | Half-Left | Tomasu: The notification only outputs from the app outputting it. Some applications can be a bit spammy |
| 21:29.00 | Tomasu | Half-Left: yeah, I know. just that if you're right and apps shouldnt do that, somoene should tell the kded "write daemon" maintainer about it. |
| 21:29.20 | sreich | Tecumseh: it's really immeasurable |
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| 21:30.05 | Tecumseh | sreich: not even an estimate? |
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| 21:30.31 | Tomasu | Half-Left: I'm off now though ;) been up way too long. I might pester somoene about it later if I remember. |
| 21:30.38 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Possibly |
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| 21:31.12 | minifig | Where do I find that file? |
| 21:32.14 | Simkin | the kde volume manager |
| 21:32.16 | Simkin | or wthaever it's called |
| 21:32.22 | minifig | I have the nvidia drivers installed and trying to get more than 640x480. |
| 21:32.27 | Simkin | needs a longer time out before it says it could not not unmount a device |
| 21:32.30 | Simkin | if you copy lots of files to it |
| 21:32.38 | Simkin | it doesn't seem to start writing until fter you try to dismount it |
| 21:32.47 | sreich | Tecumseh: no. I it would be more accurate if I used a random number generator. It depends on the module you are placing it against, if it is a bug, a crash, a wishlist...how complex it is whether simple or not...how good your bug report is (e.g. good information, but not unnecessarily verbose) |
| 21:32.48 | Half-Left | Tomasu: It shouldn't happen, best off trying to reproduce it on a vanilla KDE, no idea if debian patch KDE |
| 21:32.49 | Simkin | and if it take s long time, it says it could not unmount the device |
| 21:33.14 | Tomasu | Half-Left: considring how quick they got 4.3.2 out, they probably dont patch it very much at all. |
| 21:33.15 | Simkin | minifig, i find that nvidia doesn't detect until you restart |
| 21:33.19 | minifig | sreich, what was that file you said to find? |
| 21:33.27 | Simkin | miniso make sure your monitor is plugged in and then restart the desktop |
| 21:33.30 | Tomasu | Half-Left: which I like. stock kde is usually much slicker than any distro mod. |
| 21:33.35 | sreich | minifig: can't you scroll up? |
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| 21:33.44 | minifig | I installed nvidia drivers and rebooted and all I get now is 640x480 resolution |
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| 21:33.46 | sreich | minifig: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:33.52 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Patching is quick, remember, they have the patches since 4.3 |
| 21:33.54 | minifig | Thank you |
| 21:34.21 | Tomasu | Half-Left: it still takes effort to write and maintain them |
| 21:34.36 | minifig | What do I use to work with that file? |
| 21:34.43 | Simkin | minifig: was your monitor plugged in and on during the reboot process? |
| 21:34.47 | sreich | minifig: a text editor with root access |
| 21:34.54 | minifig | Yes it was. |
| 21:34.58 | sreich | Simkin: it doesn't have to be on |
| 21:35.00 | Simkin | :( |
| 21:35.01 | minifig | Could it be I am using a KVM? |
| 21:35.06 | Simkin | miniYES |
| 21:35.12 | Half-Left | They've had months and it's a small job to update for bug releases,. This is assuming they do patch |
| 21:35.31 | minifig | Should I try rebooting without the KVM? |
| 21:35.32 | Tomasu | Half-Left: I suppose. |
| 21:35.36 | Simkin | kvm creates problems for auto detect for me |
| 21:35.39 | Half-Left | Quiet a few distros patch KDE |
| 21:35.43 | Simkin | or edit the xorg.conf file |
| 21:35.44 | Tomasu | anyhow I'm off now :) thanks for your help |
| 21:35.49 | Simkin | and don't detect at all |
| 21:35.52 | Half-Left | I couldn't tell you if Debian do or now |
| 21:35.55 | Half-Left | np |
| 21:35.59 | Tomasu | Half-Left: but debians seems very close to stock |
| 21:36.03 | Half-Left | not* |
| 21:36.05 | Tomasu | nothing like Suse's or anything. |
| 21:36.10 | Tomasu | I used to run trunk. |
| 21:36.31 | Half-Left | I couldn't tell you. It only need one patch :) |
| 21:36.34 | minifig | Walk me through editing the file, please. If that don't work I will disconnect the KVM. |
| 21:36.36 | Tomasu | the only difference is scripting tends to work in debians packages, and I tried very hard to get python scripts to work in trunk.. just didnt like me |
| 21:36.56 | minifig | My video card is nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB memory. |
| 21:37.17 | Simkin | i would like to mention, that i think kde should let you select vide modes that are not detected |
| 21:37.22 | Half-Left | I just had to make the assumption that they do based on your odd experience |
| 21:37.39 | Simkin | you should be able to "force" a selection, at least for the standard ones (640x480, 800x60, 1024x768 1280x1024) |
| 21:37.49 | Simkin | i think it is very dumb when you only geto tchoose 640x480 |
| 21:38.12 | minifig | Right now I am in 640x480. |
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| 21:38.31 | Tomasu | Half-Left: I think most people just dont use the kernel-opps program. I actually like getting the little "ping" sound when theres a bug or an oops so I can tell when it happens. also it auto posts the bug to the kernel oops website |
| 21:38.49 | minifig | I am in a terminal window. What do I do next? |
| 21:39.11 | Half-Left | Tomasu: Sure but it's finding who is abusing the notification area :) |
| 21:39.19 | Half-Left | or what |
| 21:39.25 | sreich | minifig: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:39.32 | Tomasu | Half-Left: is the kded "write daemon" module not part of kde proper? |
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| 21:39.43 | Tomasu | Half-Left: its that module thats doing the abusing. |
| 21:40.09 | minifig | What next? |
| 21:40.10 | Tomasu | if anything spams the computer with "write tty blah", that kded module picks it up and puts it all in notifications |
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| 21:40.25 | Half-Left | Tomasu: It's not supposed to do that, kded shouldn't be doing that, which leads me to make the assumption that Debian may patch |
| 21:40.29 | minifig | I see nothing saying 640x480 or anything like that. |
| 21:40.44 | pinotree | Half-Left: no, this is standard kde |
| 21:40.51 | Tomasu | Half-Left: its not kded doing it directly, its a kded daemon module thats picking up the write messages. |
| 21:40.58 | Tomasu | I thought it was a standard kde feature. |
| 21:41.01 | pinotree | it is |
| 21:41.37 | Half-Left | pinotree: Well, it not supposed to do it, so something is not working right |
| 21:42.04 | pinotree | wrong, the kded module reads write(1) messages |
| 21:42.27 | pinotree | this is its jobs, so if there's spam then it means something is spamming with write(1) |
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| 21:42.42 | pinotree | you can disable it anyway, in system settings â advanced â services |
| 21:42.45 | minifig | What do I do now that the file is loaded? I don't know what to do. |
| 21:42.51 | sourcemaker | is the performance different between running akonadi local or on a external mysql server? |
| 21:43.19 | Tomasu | pinotree: the issue I was having is that kerneloops will send the entire oops/BUG via write, and the kded module pulls it in, and occasionally one of them will be taller than the screen, so you can't close the notification. |
| 21:43.43 | Half-Left | pinotree: So that "1" message is a big massive load of text in one notification message area? |
| 21:44.03 | pinotree | Half-Left: apparently this is what the source sends |
| 21:44.32 | Tomasu | pinotree: to see an example: http://strangesoft.net/kdebug.png |
| 21:45.03 | pinotree | file a bug report for plasma/notifications, it should shorten the if that big |
| 21:45.28 | Tomasu | ok. I'll submit it tomorrow. |
| 21:46.18 | Half-Left | was trying to find out which part should stop the spamming |
| 21:46.44 | Tomasu | Half-Left: I assume the kded module could either do rate limiting, and split the message up... |
| 21:46.45 | minifig | I will be back later. I think I will scrap Linux. It is useless and too bloody annoying. |
| 21:46.56 | Tomasu | but yeah, I have to get some sleep, thanks again |
| 21:47.09 | Half-Left | ok |
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| 22:14.26 | Elmi | hi |
| 22:14.41 | Elmi | I just alt+entered out of a maximized dosbox and now my kde desktop is pitchblack |
| 22:14.56 | Elmi | but as I get the text input cursor when hovering over specific areas I take it that it's still running somehow |
| 22:15.16 | Elmi | can I disable the 3d effects from command line? I guess if it's somehow the 3d system screwing up then I can get the desktop back that way |
| 22:15.19 | Elmi | (without shooting X) |
| 22:15.24 | thiago_home | Alt+Shift+F12 |
| 22:15.55 | Elmi | thiago_home: nothing happened |
| 22:16.32 | Elmi | can I disable the desktop effects from command line? |
| 22:16.36 | thiago_home | then it wasn't the desktop effects |
| 22:16.37 | Elmi | if yes I'd really like to do that now :< |
| 22:16.40 | thiago_home | because that's what you've just disabled |
| 22:16.44 | Elmi | are you sure? |
| 22:16.47 | thiago_home | yes |
| 22:16.49 | Elmi | the tty1 is full of keyboard errors |
| 22:16.55 | Elmi | I am not sure it does take keyboard input atm :o |
| 22:17.02 | Elmi | anyway, is there no other way to disable them? |
| 22:17.08 | thiago_home | you should be on the virtual console where X is running |
| 22:17.09 | Elmi | I once disabled them and the screen went black for a second |
| 22:17.10 | thiago_home | not on tty1 |
| 22:17.12 | Elmi | now nothing happened |
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| 22:17.23 | Elmi | X is started from tty1 |
| 22:17.27 | Elmi | via startx |
| 22:17.34 | Elmi | so that's also where its output is |
| 22:17.58 | thiago_home | go to the VC where X is running |
| 22:18.15 | Elmi | tty1? |
| 22:18.21 | thiago_home | more like tty7 |
| 22:18.25 | Elmi | well |
| 22:18.28 | Elmi | what am I supposed to do there |
| 22:18.34 | thiago_home | well, see KDe |
| 22:18.35 | Elmi | it shows a black screen with a mouse cursor. when I did what you wanted |
| 22:18.37 | Elmi | nothing happened |
| 22:18.48 | Elmi | not even the screen flashed (what always happened when I disabled desktop effekts using the GUI) |
| 22:18.52 | thiago_home | an X mouse cursor? |
| 22:18.53 | Elmi | so I wonder if that even happened |
| 22:18.59 | Elmi | yea the hardware accelerated cursor is there |
| 22:19.16 | Elmi | and it changes over specific areas to the text cursor (xchat is open), so probably somehow apps are still running |
| 22:19.24 | Elmi | feels like it just fails at displaying anything |
| 22:19.33 | Elmi | dunno why it would do that though |
| 22:19.56 | thiago_home | qdbus org.kde.kded /KWin toggleCompositing |
| 22:20.08 | Elmi | does that work as a normal user or do I need a root terminal? |
| 22:20.11 | thiago_home | you need to get the D-Bus session address first |
| 22:20.14 | thiago_home | as your own user |
| 22:20.27 | Elmi | hm how can I get the d-bus session address? |
| 22:20.38 | thiago_home | from /proc/<PID>/environ of any running KDE app |
| 22:20.58 | thiago_home | it's the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS variable |
| 22:21.00 | Elmi | and what of your command needs to be replaced with it? org.kde.kded? |
| 22:21.06 | Elmi | ah I need to export that one before? |
| 22:21.06 | thiago_home | nothing |
| 22:21.07 | Elmi | hm ok |
| 22:21.08 | thiago_home | yes |
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| 22:23.33 | Elmi | thiago_home: seems DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is just "unix" for ark |
| 22:23.37 | Elmi | is that an expected value for it? |
| 22:26.00 | edgar | hmm |
| 22:26.12 | edgar | is there a way to take off "recently used" from kickoff? |
| 22:26.37 | thiago_home | Elmi: no |
| 22:26.39 | thiago_home | it has to be more |
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| 22:26.49 | thiago_home | like unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-Gulia1TMEq,guid=d11c93f4a039bb6ce299b41c4ae6d640 |
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| 22:30.36 | edgar | so it isn't? |
| 22:32.02 | sourcemaker | akonadi does not load my calendar resource |
| 22:32.20 | sourcemaker | I configured akonadi to use my external mysql database |
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| 22:54.34 | sourcemaker | problem solved :-) |
| 22:54.47 | sourcemaker | next problem: calender show the birstday twice... |
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| 22:58.57 | KWhat_Work | hands sourcemaker a ticket. Number 1102548. Now serving bug number 137 |
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| 23:00.40 | PhrkOnLsh | notes that this channel is sometimes idle and at that, we are not paid support staff, just a bunch of KDE guys hanging out :) |
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| 23:02.19 | sourcemaker | bugs.kde.org? |
| 23:02.35 | Half-Left | Ting! |
| 23:02.43 | zizo | Hi, i need to have a temperature monitor in my desktop, but the default one doesn't show anything (kde 4.3.1). How can i configure it? (i have lm_sensors running) |
| 23:03.30 | Half-Left | 'Sorry your request cannot be forwarded. Please try again later' |
| 23:03.39 | Half-Left | ....... |
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| 23:11.47 | sfasdfasdf | hello amarok stores my last.fm accound data using kwallet. but everytyme i start it kwallet asks me to type a main passwrd. same with kopete. is there a way to avoid this? |
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| 23:32.10 | Elmi | thiago: it worked anyway |
| 23:32.21 | Elmi | but not sure if your command helped, maybe it just repaired itself somehow |
| 23:32.26 | Elmi | at least desktop effects where deactivated |
| 23:32.45 | Elmi | maybe the alt+ctrl+f12 just took a bit longer until it had an effect o_O no idea |
| 23:33.06 | Elmi | are problems with compositing+fullscreen apps common? |
| 23:33.48 | Elmi | everytime I switch from fullscreen to desktop or back, the screen blinks a lot (shows content and then gets black again in a very random blinking manner) and mouse input hangs around |
| 23:34.02 | Elmi | takes sometimes 5-10 seconds or something until the switch is done |
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| 23:35.52 | GSF1200S | does anyone in here have any information on dual head support for plasma and kwin for 4.4? |
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| 23:40.05 | cb400f | not beyond that it's supposed to be there |
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| 23:40.46 | cb400f | GSF1200S: what info in particular did you want? |
| 23:41.28 | GSF1200S | cb400f, as in seperate x sessions dual head support? xinerama, twinview and all of that worked, but with seperate X i just get a black screen on the second screen |
| 23:41.41 | cb400f | in 4.4? |
| 23:41.51 | GSF1200S | well, im using 4.3 |
| 23:42.33 | cb400f | yes, well that doesn't work |
| 23:42.53 | cb400f | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/07/multihead.html |
| 23:43.00 | cb400f | should work in 4.4 |
| 23:43.12 | cb400f | .. but prolly won't.. cuz it seems noone bothers to test |
| 23:43.21 | GSF1200S | cb400f: have that bookmarked allready :) |
| 23:43.51 | GSF1200S | I sent an email to the person writing that article that I would personally donate my time to help him test it |
| 23:43.57 | GSF1200S | he never responded |
| 23:44.20 | cb400f | what's there to respond? |
| 23:44.35 | cb400f | .. install it... test it... if there a bugs report them |
| 23:45.11 | cb400f | plans to test at some point after opensuse 11.2 release himself |
| 23:45.13 | GSF1200S | ok, well if the feature isnt even incorporated, what is my first bug report? |
| 23:45.32 | GSF1200S | you got dual mons as well? |
| 23:46.40 | GSF1200S | I guess I understand why they dont really bother. Its only a few people who use them |
| 23:49.37 | GSF1200S | cb400f ^ |
| 23:50.05 | cb400f | so you did test with 4.4? |
| 23:51.05 | GSF1200S | well no.. im in midterms right now, so I havent had a chance. I was just asking :) |
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| 23:57.30 | cb400f | well.. it's known that it doesn't work in 4.3... what's needed is someone to test in 4.4 and report issues |
