IRC log for #kde on 20090728

00:00.17BCMMor does it not exist at all in 4.2?
00:01.17BCMMwrinkliez, have you checked your colourscheme?
00:01.55BCMMwrinkliez, and does it still look like that if you disable desktop effects?
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00:02.31wrinkliezive tried it with other colorschemes and it happens with effects or without
00:03.50BCMMreproducable every time?
00:04.10JucatoBCMM: not available in 4.2
00:04.12wrinkliezyup and it happens on several different operating systems
00:04.15BCMMJucato, thanks
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00:04.19wrinkliezarch, kubuntu, etc
00:04.27BCMMwrinkliez, on several systems? that's interesting
00:04.38BCMMseveral distros running on the same machine?
00:05.39wrinkliezhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194703
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00:06.17wrinkliezi think they might have posted a fix but i have no idea what im looking at or how to use it lol
00:06.26BCMMwrinkliez, maybe it's your Xorg drivers? tried running with vesa?
00:06.33BCMM(not as a solution, as a test)
00:06.47BCMMhmm they say fixed
00:06.51BCMMlemme read that bug
00:07.50wrinkliezi havent tried it with vesa, no
00:08.17BCMMwrinkliez, well, according to the bug, they've fixed it now
00:08.29BCMMit should be fine in the next KDE version
00:08.44wrinkliezso it should be a-okay when 4.3 rolls out? (im not using the beta)
00:09.17BCMMwrinkliez, presumably
00:09.27BCMMwrinkliez, if it got in in time, i guess
00:10.16wrinkliezokay cool thanks
00:10.18wrinkliezi hope so lol
00:10.50BCMMthey fixed it in SVN on June 22
00:11.00BCMMhttp://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=985441
00:11.27BCMMwrinkliez, so i can't see why the fix shouldn't be in 4.3 next tuesday
00:11.58wrinkliezokay, awesome. thanks a lot!
00:13.20BCMMwrinkliez, the reason you couldn't work out how to use the fix is that they're discussing how to do things to the source
00:13.34wrinkliezaah.
00:13.41wrinkliezstumbled upon something i shouldnt have lol
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00:19.16BCMMwrinkliez, nah, that's what happens on bugzilla
00:19.38BCMMit's where they discuss how to fix problems; that's what it's for
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00:54.33Robert__Hello, I am having a problem with kde 4.3 rc3 and samba in my fedora 11, samba works in console but with dolphin doesn 't work
00:55.43Robert__anyone  has an idea how to solve it, (sorry for my bad english, I'm from argentina)
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01:51.58JasaAnyone here has some experience with cccam ?
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02:11.41kc8hfi_awayif I want something to automatically start up when I log into kde, where do I put it?
02:12.17kc8hfi_awaynever mind, I think I figured it out
02:12.20JucatoSystem Settings -> Advanced tab -> Autostart
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02:21.27PhrkOnLshor if you are 1337 ln -s /your/thinger ~/.kde/Autostart
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02:38.28Aishikoaseigo, hi hi
02:38.45aseigoAishiko: hi
02:39.08Aishikoaseigo, your the one that is fixing the dual monitor issue?
02:40.46aseigoAishiko: multi-head, yes..
02:40.56aseigoAishiko: where there is a different x server on each screen
02:42.25Aishikoaseigo, that is the biggest reason I've not upgraded to 3.5.10 or later, it;s the fact I have issues with the x servers for 2 screens that have different sizes
02:43.54Aishikobut I have no idea on how to get the debugging information to fix the problem
02:45.44kc8hfi_awayfor the recently used apps, there isn't a way to increase it to more than 5 right now, are they?
02:45.58kc8hfi_awaythinks somebody answered my question before
02:46.28Aishikoisn't under panel options when you bring up the pop up menu for that?
02:47.52kc8hfi_awayhmm, didn't see an;ything there about that
02:48.34Aishikokc8hfi_away, look for configure panel, then the Menus sub menu
02:49.53aseigoAishiko: do you build kde from svn?
02:51.08Aishikoaseigo, no I generally make it from the ebuilds, however I am willing to make a copy of my OS and go into that to get the information that you need
02:52.08kc8hfi_awayAishiko: I don't see anything like that right off-hand.  I'll dig around or something later.  I've did enough damage for one evening
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02:52.55aseigoAishiko: ok.. if you can get a build of at least kdelibs and kdebase from current trunk built and installed (can be to a different prefix than your current kde) then i can walk you through it. perhaps do that step first and then find me again? :)
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02:53.12aseigokc8hfi_away: there's a control panel in kde4 for that
02:53.32kc8hfi_awayaseigo: in system settings?
02:53.33aseigokc8hfi_away: otherwise you can put a .desktop file in Autostart in your .kde .. if you google for "kde autostart" i'm sure you'll find it. it's in our FAQ
02:53.38aseigokc8hfi_away: yes
02:53.55kc8hfi_awayaseigo: oh, you mean the autostart stuff!  yeah, I figured that part out
02:54.07kc8hfi_awayaseigo: I just need to test it all out first, but I'm sure it'll work.
02:55.51Aishikoaseigo, OK how do I get the trunk?  I've been told that KDE 3.5.9 can not live beside 4.X
02:59.04aseigoAishiko: they were lieing :)
02:59.49aseigoAishiko: or at least mistaken. http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 <-- that should help ..
02:59.57Aishikoaseigo, OK, but I'll still test it on a copy of my system before doing, (better safe then sorry) they said it had something to do with the linking in the gentoo builds
03:00.11aseigoAishiko: you can also use kde-svnbuild: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/kdesvn-build
03:01.55Aishikoaseigo, thank you, I'll take a closer look, ohhh and I did send you an email to your kde account with more details :)
03:02.21aseigoAishiko: yeah i'm a bit behind on my email
03:02.31aseigoAishiko: just got back a couple days ago from vancouver where i was out house-hunting
03:02.47Aishikoaseigo, totally udnerstandable I had heard about you being out of town
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03:30.54kingpinghello
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03:37.01kingpingKopete pops up a notification box when a message arrives and there is a new box on every message I receive which don't disappear and hide other windows. Has anyone had this problem?
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04:11.28chris-dowlehow do i change desktops with the keyboard in kde?
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04:17.40neptunepinkhttp://pastebin.ca/1509634
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04:24.42drakemanhey, guys, good evening, im using debian testing (squeeze) using gnome right now, few months ago i installed kde4 from repos, and i install kde-standard package, but it was really slow on my machine i have an AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 2gb of ram, 200gb hard disk, video nvidia 8400gs, i would like to try kde , what package you recommend? is normall the slow thing in my system? gnome runs just fine..
04:27.09drakemanany suggestion?
04:29.25drakemanhey, guys, good evening, im using debian testing (squeeze) using gnome right now, few months ago i installed kde4 from repos, and i install kde-standard package, but it was really slow on my machine i have an AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 2gb of ram, 200gb hard disk, video nvidia 8400gs, i would like to try kde , what package you recommend? is normall the slow thing in my system? gnome runs just fine..
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06:00.00bullgard4Where can I find a comprehensive description of the functionality of the KDE Notification Daemon? 'man knotify4' is insufficient.
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08:35.42OsamaKIn KMess, how to stop showing every notice in a messagebox?
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08:36.57pinotreeOsamaK: #kmess
08:37.49OsamaKpinotree: This is not a channel, I tried before coming here.
08:39.05pinotreeOsamaK: #kmess2 looks like
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09:44.05DumbleHello world !
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09:52.48slack_baphometwhats the easiest way to get nvidia drivers installed on fedora 11 , kde
09:53.04cb400fask in #fedora
09:53.13cb400fI think RPM Fusion has packages though
09:53.14slack_baphomet-.- my bad
09:53.31slack_baphometsame here but it changes all the time :) thanks much
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10:47.32tuxickvodafone site blew up my konqueror, killed it and now kicker/menu is gone as well
10:47.53tuxick"application launcher" or whatever
10:47.57tuxickhow to get it back?
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10:48.26cb400fsounds strange.. but the menu is a widget..
10:48.29tuxickah toggling a bit helped
10:49.03tuxicki'm more worried about the way sites manage to make konq use 100% cpu and stop responding anyway
10:50.06tuxickit's some funky looking osd-alike hack
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11:05.07mdiktuxick: kde3?
11:06.27tuxickkde4
11:07.02mdikkillall plasma && plasma
11:07.02tuxickit's kind of tradition that konq goes mad on trial&errorjavascript
11:07.27mdikjepp. im a parttime arora-user by now
11:07.56mdikbut its not really good
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11:18.45tuxickmdik: will try to remember :)
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11:45.23qbai didn't have gdb, so no backtrace
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12:39.35mazzachreI have tried in #gentoo but not really gotten anywhere... I want to install kate on my system, however it seems I need qt-webkit library that again needs phonon, that again needs arts, which is incompatible with any sound output on my system... Is this hard build in, or can I turn it off in the configure scripts (So it should be a USEFLAG in the ebuild)
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12:44.16Jucatomazzachre: have you tried #gentoo kde? kate shouldn't  have anything to do with webkit, and arts shouldn't even be pulled in unless you were building the kde3 version of kate
12:44.48Jucatoer.. #gentoo-kde
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12:46.15mazzachreJucato: Ah.. no I have not tried there... no when I try it, it fails with phonon needing backend, when looking into that error it says that I need to have arts as backend(?!) which I don't understand... and I don't want arts (Last time I got it in by accident, it took some serious manual editing of my system to get sound back)
12:47.13Jucatophonon (which is used by qt4/kde4) should have nothing to do with arts (which is used by kde3 only). sounds like messed up dependencies and USE flags. better check with your distro
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12:50.55mazzachreJucato: It does not say it needs arts... just found a page on the interwebs telling me that installing arts would solve that problem (and create a million new...)
12:51.36Jucatowonders how installing something not used by qt4/kde4 would solve whatever problem...
12:52.46mazzachreJucato: I did not try it, so I can't tell you... (I am not going to install arts...)
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13:00.01alecs1hi, korgac does not show a system-tray indicator although it is running and the correct option is set in the preferences
13:00.10alecs1how could I fix this?
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13:26.08summelthere is a security hole in kde when the screen is locked btw ^^
13:26.59Mamarokexplain?
13:27.57summelwell when i look the screen it gets black... then when somebody moves the mouse for a short time the actual desktop is showed after it gets black again and displays the locked screen dialog
13:28.15summelso if somebody would set up a camera he could make a screenshot of the desktop
13:28.24Mamarokchecks
13:28.35summel(at least with compositing enabled)
13:28.40summelill try with it disabled
13:28.59summelcompositing disabled works fine
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13:29.31Mamarokwell, I have compositing enabled and don't see that, do you have a screensaver activated
13:29.34Mamarok?
13:29.39summelno not a screensaver
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13:29.56Mamarokwell, that's why, activate a screensvare, say a blank screen, and try again
13:30.04Mamarokscreensaver*
13:30.09summelbut it should work without needing a screensaver
13:30.11summel:P
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13:31.01Mamaroksummel: yes it should indeed, care reporting to https://bugs.kde.org?
13:31.05DrSlonyHey, is there an editor for PO files other than poedit?
13:31.23pinotreeDrSlony: kbabel for kde3, lokalize for kde4; both in the kdesdk module
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13:31.35summeldo i need an account for reporting bugs?
13:31.40pinotreeyes, you do
13:31.45DrSlonythanks pinotree :)
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13:31.57summelif yes then i report the bug to my distribution to enable the blank screen screensaver as default? ^^
13:32.18pinotreeand what does it solve?
13:32.39Mamaroksummel: well, you better report it to KDE directly, so it get's fixed, not all distros report upstream
13:32.40summelok :)
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13:35.54summelis the bug in plasma or what application?
13:36.01TheVirtualVortexhi, I compiled a plasma widget, and would like to know where I can see the kdebug messages
13:36.09TheVirtualVortexwhere is the log file?
13:36.17summelkwin?
13:36.47pinotreedoesn't matter, can be reassigned later
13:36.52summelok
13:37.01pinotreejust choose the generic "kde"
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13:39.32summeldone :)
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13:41.06TheVirtualVortexkdebug messages, where can I find them?
13:41.15TheVirtualVortexany idea?
13:41.26TheVirtualVortexI mean the output
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13:41.46pinotreehow are you starting the applet? adding it in plasma or using plasmoidviewer?
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13:41.56TheVirtualVortexI just added it in plasma
13:42.02pinotree~/.xsession-errors
13:42.03apt/.xsession-errors is, like, quite common
13:42.09TheVirtualVortexokay thanks
13:42.20TheVirtualVortexI also didn´t know there was a plasmoidviewer, which might make it even more convenient :-)
13:42.59summelhmm but the problem is not fixed with selecting a screensaver
13:43.00summelbte
13:43.02summelbtw
13:43.03summel:D
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13:49.55TheVirtualVortexpinotree: I tried .xsession-errors and the plasmoidviewer, but the kDebug messages don´ t appear
13:49.55TheVirtualVortexpinotree: is there something like a compile-time option to pass to cmake ?
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13:51.59pinotreeTheVirtualVortex: if you use plain kDebug() without area number, then make sure the area 0 is active in `kdebugdialog`
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13:54.31TheVirtualVortexpinotree: I see, it works! thanks a lot
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14:08.56TheVirtualVortexis it a bad coding practice to call a public slot's function directly from the outside ?
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14:09.52TheVirtualVortexI guess yes, I'll try to emit a signal instead
14:11.36kbalazscan the kde panel shows the icons in more lines like on windows?
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14:17.14crohakonhow do I turn off the screen saver/power saving stuff in KDE?
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14:24.11mokolokoWith KDE 4.3RC3 can anyone confirm that movin windows gets sluggish with every other deco than oxygen/ozone? Effects are on...
14:24.41mokolokohttp://www.osnews.com/story/21899/KDE_4_3_Shaping_Up_Nicely_KWin_Needs_Work
14:24.44mokolokorelating to that
14:25.25mokoloko"My biggest area of concern is still KWin, the fancy compositing window manager. The problem is that performance is still very, very lacking; animations are jittery and slow"
14:25.59summelmokoloko: i use nitrogen and it works just fine (kde 4.4 svn)
14:26.10summelbut i used 4.3 svn packages before and it also worked
14:26.20mokolokoi get that too with skulpture and every other than  aurorae/oxygen/ozone
14:26.33summelbut it is in general not as "fast" as compiz
14:26.46summelactually it is, but it doesn't feel that way
14:26.48summelsomehow
14:26.56summeldont know how to explain
14:26.57mokolokoyeah but it gets downright sluggish with others compared to oxygen
14:27.09summelhmm not for me oO
14:27.15debuggerHmm
14:27.22summeland i used nitrogen since its first release... so also with kde 4.2
14:27.23mokolokojittery? :P
14:27.30debuggerCompositing is as fast as it can be on my system.
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14:27.41summeldebugger: its also fast on my system...
14:27.48summeli just remember compiz to feel... faster
14:27.51summeldont know...
14:27.52summel^^
14:27.59mokolokocan you try plastik?
14:28.00summelbut i dont like compiz
14:28.05summelok one moment
14:28.13farhad_hfon my system compiz is faster
14:28.19mokolokosame issue here with that one
14:28.21mokolokotoo
14:28.32kbalazscan the kde panel shows the icons in more lines like on windows?
14:28.39summelstill as fast as with nitrogen
14:28.51summelkbalazs: there is a plasmoid for that afaik
14:28.53debuggerCompiz will never be more than a hack.
14:29.07debuggerWith ugly and useless plugins.
14:29.17summel:D
14:29.35debuggerWow!!! I got a cube with dolphins inside!
14:29.50mokolokosummel: did it get sluggish with plastik?
14:29.51rubyistsome people like that debugger
14:29.53tuxickcalls greenpeace
14:29.58summelmokoloko: no
14:30.20mokolokocurious
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14:30.20mokolokomaybe its rc bug
14:30.21summeldolphins are gay sharks
14:30.22summel:O
14:30.29debugger:'(
14:30.38kbalazssummel: do you know it's name?
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14:30.46summelmokoloko: as i said... i use svn packages... i dont know about RCs ^^
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14:30.54mokolokoyeah
14:30.58summelkbalazs: hmm no sorry.. i just know ive seen it on kde-look.org
14:31.05cb400fquicklaunch iirc
14:31.13cb400fassuming the "icons" are app shortcuts
14:31.17kbalazssummel: thx, I will search for it
14:31.17pelandrithello folks
14:31.24mokolokoif it's fixed in svn then maybe it's fixen in kde 4.3 final
14:31.28summelcb400f: i think he means taskmanager
14:31.28cb400fthe systray will have two rows if the panel is tall enough...
14:31.33cb400fahh
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14:31.46crohakonHow can I turn off the screen saver in kde... it is hindering my hulu time
14:31.59kennethaarwhere does kmail store it email? I looked in .kde/share/apps/kmail but can't find any email. I use disconnected imap.
14:32.17kennethaarKubuntu 9.04 with KDE RC3
14:32.21pelandrit¿there is some option in kde3.5 that blocks the keyboard?, i had the same accident long time ago but i don't remember now how to fix it
14:32.46amdkanplz i need help
14:33.31mokolokokennethaar: could kubuntu use .kde4?
14:33.52kennethaaramdkan:Just ask your question.
14:34.15amdkanthx / can't activate my 3D desktop efect
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14:35.02kennethaarmokoloko: Nope. Where should the email reside?
14:35.06amdkanand i am new linux user
14:35.20summelamdkan: what graphics card?
14:35.24summeldistribution?
14:35.38amdkanati raedan 4340
14:35.48amdkanfedora 11
14:35.52summelhmm
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14:36.00summelopensource drivers?
14:36.10amdkanok
14:36.47kennethaaramdkan: Menu/Systemsettings/Desktop Check "enable desktop effects"
14:38.12Zarinmokoloko, does is speed up if you disable the shadow effect?
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14:38.33amdkanfailed and it ask me to chek my x config
14:40.00mokolokoZarin: yup and btw im running catalyst 9.7 with radeon 4850
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14:40.13mokolokoso it's not nvidia specific
14:40.23Zarinmokoloko, how much faster is it with the effect disabled?
14:40.29Zarinmokoloko, I use nVidia and I get 500fps+
14:40.39ZarinThe other KWin devs also get stupidly fast framerates
14:40.49ZarinWhich is why we cannot really test
14:40.58ZarinIt's "everyone else" that has the problems
14:41.02mokolokolets just say it's super smooth with oxygen and jittery with plastik as windeco
14:41.03ZarinNot us >_<
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14:41.49ZarinAre you the author of that article or are you just using it as a reference?
14:42.10mokolokousing it as a reference
14:42.16mokolokoit made me try skulpture
14:42.35mokolokoand i found it very sluggish compared to oxygen
14:43.01ZarinWhich is weird since Oxygen has always been the "slowest" decoration since 4.0 :P
14:43.23ZarinIt's usually: "Oxygen slow? Use Plastik"
14:43.39mokolokobut just to be clear that the issue is the windecoration not the overall theme...i tried skulpture with oxygen as windeco and it was smooth
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14:43.54ZarinI don't really see how it can be slow with Plastik... unless there is some sort of driver bug that causes slow ARGB -> RGB -> ARGB conversions
14:44.22ZarinIf you can find out any specifics please file a bug reports
14:44.41ZarinThings just get lost on IRC
14:44.59Zarinmgraesslin
14:45.19Zarinhas to go for a while. Bbl.
14:45.28mokolokoawright
14:45.28mgraesslinZarin: I probably missed half of the discussion
14:46.11Zarinmgraesslin, You probably did, but the basic problem is: Any deco other than Oxygen causes slow moving/resizing.
14:46.41mgraesslinslow moving? That I don't believe :-P
14:46.51mokolokoarurorae and ozone works great too
14:47.07mgraesslinwell aurorae is known to be the slowest by design(tm)
14:47.29mokolokoIt's as smooth as oxygen here
14:47.42mgraesslinwith RC3?
14:47.45mokolokoyeah
14:48.03mgraesslinwell things improved as Plasma fixed a caching problem
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14:48.20mgraesslinnevertheless given the design of Aurorae it cannot be as fast as other decos
14:48.30mokolokosomeone here said moments ago that he/she didn't have this issue with 4.4svn
14:49.30mokolokoprobably not very helpful :D but one confirmed having the same issue that i have
14:49.33farhad_hfmokoloko: i dont have any problems with moving , but resizing is very laggy :P in 4.4SVN
14:49.56mgraesslinresizing will always be laggy if we paint the window content
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14:50.59farhad_hfmgraesslin: why ?
14:51.20mgraesslinbecause every step in resizing causes the creation of a new pixmap
14:51.34mgraesslinthis has to be painted and there is the need for a texture from pixmap call
14:51.57mgraesslinwhich is not really fast on *some* graphics drivers
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14:52.46farhad_hfmgraesslin: i want to buy a new graphic card , any suggestions ?
14:53.13mgraesslinwell you can't buy Intel cards, as they don't exist ;-)
14:53.19mgraesslinso it's Ati or NVIDIA
14:53.34mgraesslinif you want to use the proprietary driver NVIDIA is probably the better choice
14:53.51mgraesslinif you want to have at least the chance for an open driver ATI is the only choice
14:54.02cb400fif you go for ATi you should prolly look for cards owned by the radeonhd devs ;-)
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14:54.18mgraesslinthat's a really good suggestion ;-)
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14:55.02farhad_hfthanks! :)
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14:55.44mokolokowell up radeon x1x00 there's 3d accel, radeon hd2xxx+ doesn't have that yet
14:56.54cb400fsure it's not the other way around now? ;-)
14:57.20cb400for are you talking about the free drivers?
14:57.33mokolokoyeah
14:57.51mokolokoyeah with catalyst it's other way around :D
14:58.11cb400f;-)
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15:02.59summelcatalyst sucks
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15:03.04summelbut opensource drivers also suck
15:03.09summelso go intel/nvidia
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15:12.17darkhammwhat about 4.3.0 stable?
15:12.50cb400fwhat about it? .. it was delayed a week for rc3
15:13.04cb400fis tagged today.. released officially in a week if nothing goes horribly wrong
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15:15.54darkhammcb400f: developers will contnue to work about something (i know the bugs) until the release date?
15:16.36cb400fnope.. only if major problems arise in late tarball testing
15:19.17darkhammcb400f: now you're using it?
15:19.29cb400fI'm using rc3
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15:19.57darkhammcb400f: i've many many problems with network manager until 4.2.4
15:20.04darkhammsomething about that?
15:20.15cb400fit's not part of 4.3
15:20.52cb400fstill being developed in "playground".. now split into a plasmoid and a "normal" systray app
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15:21.41darkhammoh, what's about network management by default?
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15:59.03KartoffelbreiWhy is it impossible to change my kdm (KDE4) Theme in the System Settings (Menu)? All options are grey, nothing can be clicked.
15:59.40summelKartoffelbrei: kdesu systemsettings
15:59.42summel:)
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15:59.53KartoffelbreiWhat is this?
16:00.13summelyou must be root to change kdm settings
16:00.27Kartoffelbreik.
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16:02.45KartoffelbreiThis did work. :)
16:02.47KartoffelbreiThanks.
16:02.54Kartoffelbrei<-- Restart KDE. :D
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16:10.16Kartoffelbrei_Is there a list of all programms which start every time, KDE 4 starts?
16:10.29Kartoffelbrei_A list where I can add some programms?
16:12.22cb400fin kde >= 4.2 there's an autostart module in systemsettings
16:12.48cb400fnormally sessionmanagement would handle things for you imo though
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16:28.52ajavidhello
16:28.56ajavidis kde3 being updated at all?
16:29.03ajavidsecurity/bug fix etc.?
16:29.40cb400fnot by kde.. some distros have to still support it for some time
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16:33.48remur_030aloha, can a non opensuse kde4 user please test http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration in konqueror?
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16:34.29ajavidi see
16:34.38remur_030it crashes for me on 4.3rc3
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16:35.37wordremur_030: worksforme with 4.3rc3
16:35.46remur_030actually any article on guardian.co.uk crashes for me
16:36.25remur_030word: thanks
16:36.30wordnp ☺
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17:38.27javimansillaHow do I have to do in order to make persistent my configurations on konsole profiles?
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17:43.47hallownamejavimansilla: right click -> edit current profile -> modifymodifymodify -> ok ? stays here. distro bug?
17:44.26javimansillahallowname: actually, what it's not stored is the "show in menu" boolean, as well as the shortcut for open it
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17:46.57hallownamejavimansilla: odd. my konsole menu remembers its state. in between konsole processes anyway. on trunk? a new user does the same?
17:47.53javimansillahallowname: no trunk. I'm on ubuntu jaunty, and the same problem came with previous ubuntu. I should try with another user anyway.
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18:11.12idyleMy auto hiding side panel won't unhide in kubuntu! When I mouse over it, I just see a tiny sliver of it, like it's empty, and can't click on it or configure it or anything!
18:11.45Simkinidyle: what version of kde is that?
18:11.47Simkin4.x or 3.x ?
18:11.48idylethis after I rebooted btw that it won't show...I just made my bottom panel autohide and it's working fine
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18:11.53idyle4.3 I think?
18:11.58idylekubuntu karmic koala
18:12.05Simkinmaybe try deleting the panel and adding it back in?
18:12.16idyleI can't! I can't get it to show back up!
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18:12.30idyleI just see a tiny little edge of it when I go near the bottom or top of it
18:12.58idyleshould I take a screenshot?
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18:13.05Simkini think so
18:13.11Simkini have to go though
18:13.11Simkinbut i'm sure someone else can help
18:14.39idyleSimkin: ok thanks for your help!
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18:18.02idyleOk, here's what happens when I mouse over the left sidebar that should be unhiding: http://www.2shared.com/file/6886587/e106412d/snapshot1.html
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18:33.30AntiXpucThi there
18:33.38AntiXpucTany devs here?
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18:34.58debuggerAntiXpucT: You could try the dev channel.
18:35.08AntiXpucTi want to bump bug about konsole's kpart
18:35.46debuggerThen just fill a bug report.
18:36.05AntiXpucTit is already filled half year ago
18:36.11AntiXpucTand don't fixed
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18:53.10mariovazqWhen compiling kde 4.2.98, which phonon should I use.  The one included in kde-qt (qt-copy) or the phonon available in gitorius?
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18:54.53MoDaXmariovazq: qt one is fine
18:55.25mariovazqty
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19:02.22gorgonzolahello... i have a dolphin specific question, but since i didn't find a dolphin channel, i'll ask here: is it possible to make dolphin remember preview size settings for a dir and subdirs?
19:02.51gorgonzolaie, have a photo dir appear with bigger thumbs than the regular thumb size for dirs by default, everytime
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19:08.13shafqat_gorgonzola: from my limited knowledge i don't think it is possible. What you could do is have different view properties for each folder and then manually set the view for each folder so that next time you see them they will have previews. Or you could put this up on brainstorm.forum.kde.org to have the devs implement it :)
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19:10.04gorgonzolashafqat_ : well, the thing is i can make dolphin show the pics folder as icons with previews, but the preview size setging (the little mag dial below the main window) seems to be a global per-session setting for dolphin. i thought myabe you could specifiy a preview size in .directory  files, but i wouldn't know how to do it. i'll check it in brainstorm anyway. thanks!
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19:11.09shafqat_no problem :). good luck!
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19:21.19DillyCatanyone know how to disable the splash screen?  I tried via control center but that doesnt work
19:22.07DillyCatim running FreeBSD ...how do I check which version of kde I'm running?
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19:27.54DillyCatthe version of kde is 4.2.2
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19:29.32DillyCathmmm.  control center is reporting the wrong version of kde... could that be the reason that no changes get applied?
19:29.35gorgonzolaDillyCat: whcih splash? kdm's?
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19:30.04DillyCatthe splash screen that's displayed when you are logging in..
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19:33.25anoneemousehi... what can i use to sync my nokia n80 with kontact?
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19:34.08anoneemouseon kubuntu kde 4.2
19:35.15mariovazqDillyCat, launch System Settings.  Go to Appearance -> Splash Screen
19:37.12mariovazqDillyCat,  since I havent done that previously, I have no idea if you can change that as a regular user, or need to execute System Settings as root
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19:40.46DillyCatmariovazq...tried that but didn't work... is there a file I can edit?
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19:46.39pelandrit¿there is some option in kde3.5 that blocks the keyboard?, i had the same accident long time ago but i don't remember now how to fix it
19:46.40bullgard4Where can I find a comprehensive description of the functionality of the KDE Notification Daemon? 'man knotify4' is insufficient.
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19:54.01pinotreebullgard4: what do you have to do?
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19:58.50bullgard4pinotree: To decide if I can safely de-assert the Graphical login manager (kdm) service: My major graphical login manager is gdm and is asserted, and I am using only one KDE program (Kexi).
19:59.06gnufiedI just upgraded to KDE 4.3RC3 on my laptop running kubuntu 9.04 and KWin is not loading when starting the desktop.
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19:59.28pinotreebullgard4: what does knotify have to do with gdm?
19:59.54gnufiedI get gnome window decoration and none of the global shortcuts work and stuff
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20:00.53gnufiedoh wow, looks like KDE is starting metacity!
20:01.41bullgard4pinotree: Before I answer your question, please answer my question.
20:02.09pinotreebullgard4: i'm trying to understand what is your real issue
20:02.37gnufiedkwin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwin.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI26KDecorationFactoryUnstable
20:02.51gnufiedis the error when I try to start kwin manually from command line.
20:02.53mgraesslingnufied: which decoration are you using
20:03.16bullgard4pinotree: I tried to lay down my issue. Did I use imprecise terminology?
20:03.56gnufiedmgraesslin, I tried plastique  (before it was ozone)
20:04.17pinotreebullgard4: no, you didn't explain what is your real issue; want to known what knotify4 does, but then you say you want to change login manager
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20:04.33mgraesslinI don't know of any deco called plastique, but please try another one ;-)
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20:05.07gnufiedmgraesslin, I meant Plastik
20:05.21reavertmgnufied: do you have more than one KDE4 installed?
20:05.56gnufiedreavertm, I might have still KDE 4.2.4 packages installed around if apt-get upgrade didn't update properly.
20:06.41reavertmyou could try wiping ~/,config/Trolltech.conf - it stores info about qt plugins (qt lpugin loader apparently uses this) and qt4 doesn't really support yet mulitple KDE4's
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20:07.52reavertm(there's bug with qtpluginpath order that could mess here, I haven't investigated enough yet to be certain though)
20:08.13hallownamegnufied: kubuntu issue i think... any kde4 packages on an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
20:08.20hallownamegnufied: do you hand compile anything?
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20:10.34gnufiedhallowname, no I didn't hand compile anything.
20:11.17hallownamegnufied: kubuntu fail then. have you 'dist-upgrade'ed all the way? and have a clean apt?
20:12.24gnufiedi think the problem is, I had KDE 4.2.4 installed from kubuntu-ppa and then for upgrading to kde 4.3 I disabled that source and added kubuntu backports. After adding kubuntu backports repo, when I did apt-get update, it showed up 58 4.2.4 kde updates as well (but under blocked updates) and 25 updates for kde 4.3 RC3
20:12.58gnufiedthis is kubuntu FAIL
20:13.06pinotreegnufied: you should ask in #kubuntu
20:13.31hallownamegnufied: i had to stop using package distros =/ they always fail when i really need them...
20:14.07gnufiedpinotree, I will. trouble is my working machine is dysfunctional now!
20:15.00hallownamegnufied: does 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' exit cleanly? if so. thats a pretty funny failure. ;D
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20:15.35MoDaXgnufied: 1) you got yourself in trouble messing with backports 2) complain in #kubuntu
20:15.36gnufiedhallowname, I will poke around for a while, before doing that.
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20:17.52gnufiedMoDaX, agreed.
20:17.57bullgard4pinotree: The KDE Notification Daemon is a program. In order to make good use of a program a user needs a manual of this program. A manual is also called a 'program description'. The authors of 'man knotify4' have done a work of poor quality. 'man knotify' does not explain the purpose and usage of this program for a user. 'man knotify' lacks of didactics.
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20:18.35pinotreebullgard4: you don't need to "make use of knotify4", as it is an helper application to handle notifications
20:18.36MoDaXbullgard4: user never interacts with knotify4 directly
20:18.49pinotreebullgard4: you don't even need to know it exists
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20:19.18pinotreebullgard4: and still, knotify4 is completely unrelated to either kdm or gdm.
20:20.09hallownamebullgard4: you want to make kde notifications? like via dbus?
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20:20.41theduzHello, I'm trying to figure out the correct way of removing the trash icon from a kiosk type setup.  I'm using kde 3.5.1.  Each time I login under one of the kiosk user profiles, the trash icon keeps getting re-created.
20:20.42ctx144khello all...
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20:21.17mariovazqgnufied, sometimes making an upgrade of that size (like KDE) can bring some packaging issues.  You can try (that worked fine with me after a similar issue in Arch), to remove all kde 4.2.x packages and then reinstall 4.2.98
20:22.15gnufiedmariovazq, I am doing a dist-upgrade, looks like it may work.
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20:22.52bullgard4hallowname: No, I don't, at least not directly. But I'd like to know what the function of knotify4 is. There are processes running on my computer related to knotify. I'd like to understand them better.
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20:23.06ctx144kiam not sure that iam in the right channel for my problem... iam using kde4.3 rc2 under standard kubuntu9.04 (changed to iso8859-15) - i need a "mute" key-definition for muting my soundcard ... i defined that under systemsettings->keyboard->global->kmix
20:23.18genewbieanother RC release
20:23.53ctx144kSTRG+ALT+M - but when i press that keys ill see only the current noisy-settings as OSD
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20:24.20ctx144ki have a  creative audigy2 soundcard
20:24.24bullgard4MoDaX: I do not intend to interact with knotify4 directly. Still, I'd like to know how knotify4 functions.
20:25.05MoDaXbullgard4: you can always read the source code
20:25.12hallownamebullgard4: strace? lol. it handles a lot of behind the scenes communication. to see how it works the code is probably the best documentation..
20:25.13ctx144ki had that problem this problem in privious kubuntu-versions and under suse-linux too
20:25.29ctx144kunder gnome its working perfect
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20:25.45MoDaXsince you don't need to use the program directly, manual is pointless
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20:26.17pinotree(and you shouldn't use it directly, anyway)
20:26.34bullgard4pinotree: I admit that knotify is unrelated to either kdm or gdm. My attention was diverted when I wrote that. --  And may I ask you again:  "Where can I find a comprehensive description of the functionality of the KDE Notification Daemon? 'man knotify4' is insufficient."
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20:27.19pinotreebullgard4: given it is an internal helper daemon (nothing that an user should ever see nor interact with), there's no "user manual"
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20:27.37pinotreebullgard4: the only potential users would be developers, who can just reads its source code
20:27.50troyctx144k: this is unrelated to your soundcard, and will be related solely to the keyboard shortcuts
20:28.06bullgard4MoDaX: Your statement: "you can always read the source code" is not helpful. I knew that before you wrote this message.
20:28.26troyctx144k: please go to the KDE keyboard module in system settings and see if your keyboard is listed...
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20:29.35pinotreebullgard4: as i said before, it handles part of the kde notifications, ie beeps, sounds, taskbar flashing, popups, etc, for events
20:29.50pinotreebullgard4: that's all the "user description"
20:29.58troyctx144k: if the keyboard is set correctly, and it still fails, you might have the same key defined for multiple actions (or similar problem)
20:30.20ctx144ktroy, i think there is another problem
20:30.40ctx144ktroy, the mute-function issent work correct with my soundcard
20:30.43bullgard4hallowname: I do not know why you are laughing out loud when someone asks for a complete user manaual of a program.
20:30.45ctx144k(i think)
20:30.48troyctx144k: on my computer, I had to go into kmix and change some shortcuts, since it was muting the wrong channel
20:31.10ctx144kah...
20:31.10MoDaXbullgard4: complaining is not helpful either
20:31.10troyctx144k: so instead of muting master, I set it to mute DCM or whatever your soundcard calls it
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20:31.23ctx144kok - how can i change that?
20:31.26genewbieso KDE 4.3 release was extended 7 more days??
20:31.34MoDaXgenewbie: yes
20:31.37genewbie=(
20:31.41troyctx144k: open kmix, find the configure shortcuts option in the menu
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20:32.31MoDaXgenewbie: releases slip for years, a week is not a big deal
20:33.56genewbieMoDaX, yeah i'm not worried. i just wanted to try out the new version already.
20:34.12genewbiei dont want the rcs or betas
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20:35.11troygenewbie: rc3 is pretty close to final - just with fewer distro packages floating around
20:35.42genewbietroy, yeah, but i'd rather wait for the final release.
20:38.45ctx144ktroy, hmmm... it doesnt work... it shows only the current value as OSD, but no muting
20:38.52troygenewbie: even though the release date is later, it's probably actually available earlier - we tag about a week before releasing so that the distros have a chance to build/test
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20:43.09ctx144khmm... it wouldbe ok to define something like that global in the complete system - a script whoch would call  "amixer -c 0 set Master,0 0%"
20:43.27ctx144kbut i have no idea how to set that
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20:44.46troyctx144k: I used to do that by defining a .desktop file someplace (same like an app launcher link), but hiding it somewhere in the app menu where it won't bother anyone
20:45.13troynot sure if that trick still works
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20:48.49ctx144ktroy, ahh i have a idea... a little shellscript, via button in task-line
20:49.12ctx144ktroy, thx
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20:52.22Simkinwhat is the application that loads up in the system tray with the little "I" on it in a bubble?
20:52.25Simkini need to kill it
20:52.31Simkinbut i don't want to kill th entire systray
20:52.42Simkinand i'm afraid ctrl-alt-esc would kill the entire systray
20:52.48nilssonits the notification daemon
20:53.00nilssonnot sure exactly what it's called though
20:53.38bullgard4pinotree: Thank you for your help.
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20:57.39theduzHello, is there some way to tell kde to never put a trash icon on the desktop?  I've been fiddling around with it all day, but no success so far.
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20:58.28gdeburetheduz: kde4 ?
20:58.35theduzsorry, kde 3.5.1
20:59.02gdeburetheduz: Ah... that's too far away for my poor memory, sorry ;-)
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20:59.48theduzhmm, it must be old then
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21:02.43gdebureWell, I think the latest kde 3.5 stable is 3.5.10 !
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21:04.19ctx144ktroy, is working as key-board defintion great, too :-)
21:04.22theduzIts a SLES 10 sp2 box.  SLES is generally "behind the times" and not very cutting edge
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21:10.34mariovazqwhat version of qmageblitz may work best with kde 4.2.98?  Version 0.0.5 is the highest I can find anhywhere
21:10.58mariovazqI'm building it from source and dont want to screw anything, lol
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21:11.58mariovazqOpps I mean qimageblitz
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21:16.53margiolasti akribos?
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21:17.08margiolasoups sorry wrong channel
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21:22.40Mirrakoranyone knows if there's a port for kmymoney planned?
21:23.45DaZask devs?
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21:28.28hallownameMirrakor: i think so. i remember reading something along those lines. i dont think its complete. or very far along. idk tho. :)
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21:29.11Mirrakorhallowname: I just got the information that it seems to be somewhere in playground
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21:50.35slack_baphometanyone know of any apps for kde that will let me import old camcorder footage through svideo jack ?
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22:06.51oblenobHi :)
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22:14.53nilssonnewb question: what is the purpose of the button in the top left corner of window decorations?
22:15.07kdepeponilsson, the menu?
22:15.22nilssonno, the dot
22:15.28kdepeponilsson, sticky ... "keep on any desktop".
22:16.03kdepepoif you have no need, you can remove it :)
22:16.09nilssonhow?
22:16.33kdepeposystemsettings->Appearance->windows->buttons then drag it back to the list
22:16.39funkyouhmmm, sometimes when i open the kmix systray mixer i cant close it anymore. i need to open kmix via the systray to make it disappear. someone experienced the same? iam on 4.3 rc3
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22:17.45cb400ffunkyou: I did.. seems to me that right click on the kmix icon makes it go away again.. but a bit annoying
22:17.46nilssonkdepepo: thanks
22:17.50nilssonkdepepo++
22:18.47funkyoucb400f: yes, thats what i mean, and the right click only works sometimes... guess i'll file a bug now, thanks
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22:19.37cb400fI take comfort knowing that the major distros won't ship it for another 3-4 months, so.. :-)
22:20.39funkyouwell, its one of the _very_ few bugs i have experienced on 4.3 so far, and all others are already reported or fixed :)
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22:24.18NahualAs per the MOTD, I am running KDE 4.2.4 on Fedora 11 and I my query pertains to Specific Window Settings, I have a few of them working but whenever I try to set my transparency for Konsole to 90% it seems to fail to recognize any of the window matching features. I know when I detect the window it says qt-application konsole, but if I match just the specific application class it says Konsole. Is there a way to get this working? Pidgin ones
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23:17.02Vegitakde 4.3.61 realy rocks (4.4alpha3 I think) keep upthe good work
23:17.25pinotree4.4alpha3? no, it is pure svn version
23:17.34Vegitabtw I laughed at the name "kapman" when I saw the games installing from the "unstable"
23:17.44Vegita4.4 svnrelease3 then
23:17.49pinotreenoo
23:17.49Vegitawill it be more instable?
23:17.52Vegitaif nt, that rock
23:17.57pinotreeit is not a release :)
23:18.13Vegitaif this is unstable,I keep getting updates
23:18.26Vegitabut now it'sthat stable I can unpipe the unstable tag
23:18.42pinotreekeep it as unstable, please
23:18.50VegitaI know
23:18.53Vegitanot that
23:19.03Vegitabut it will become only more stable?
23:19.12Vegitaor it can get more unstable now?
23:19.19pinotreeit can get even more unstable
23:19.22VegitaI have the suse-unstable kde-livecd
23:19.35Vegitawell, so I'd better not allow mre updates
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23:19.42Vegitaif I like this svn version?
23:19.51Vegitafrom the unstable repo?
23:20.09Vegitai wanted 4.3.96 but accidentally, the trunk svn started to install
23:20.16Vegita*4.2.96
23:21.07Vegitaanyway, this is the best version I've seen yet (4.3.61)
23:21.32Vegitamuch better then 4.2.4, and still better then 4.2.96 imho
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23:25.10PliskinVegita : can you give som examples of improvements ?
23:25.26Vegitaeverything comes in lightning fast
23:25.35Vegitafaster imho then in 4.2.96
23:25.56Vegitadolphin, konsole, konqueror and ksysguard opens as you click
23:26.03Vegitadolphin has a new feature
23:26.19Vegitaif you g on a folder with your mouse, it opensina small widget
23:26.23Vegita*go
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23:26.43Vegitait only works in desktop view, but surprisingly fast ad stable
23:26.48Vegita*and
23:27.06mokolokoit's also in 4.3
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23:27.33VegitawellI didn't remember well, or it ws turned offin fedora
23:27.46Vegitanow I'm using a suse-based unstable kde-livecd
23:28.02Vegitaexacly installed from a live cd
23:28.03Pliskinit was turned off in kubuntu too
23:28.11mokolokoi use fedora and it isn't turned off here
23:28.14Pliskinbut you can enable it
23:28.36Vegitathereis a new game: kapman
23:28.48Vegitathat's not an important upgrade, I know
23:29.17Pliskinare there new features in plasma ?
23:29.20pinotreekapman is in kde 4.2 as well...
23:29.32VegitaIdidn1t have it, I'm sure
23:29.42pinotreeyour fault, it is here
23:29.46Vegitain 43 i don't know if I  have it
23:29.49pinotreewe shipped it
23:30.25Vegitaokay.)
23:30.57Vegitawell, not too much new features,but it's more stable and my load av is lower, maybe feature are now about to workout
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23:32.06Vegitawhen I said it rocks, I thought about being faster, and konqueror freezed on a gsmarena page since kde 4.2.4, and now it doesn't
23:32.25Vegitait even freezed in 4.3.60
23:33.05Pliskinok, thanks :)
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