| 00:00.36 | VampirePenguin | id finished with it like 1.2 before adn i was compiling some stuff and that program said there wsa no more room on the drive... come to finid out i had 3 gb of cruft .part files |
| 00:01.07 | VampirePenguin | maybe lot of ppl not using to transfer smb on wifi |
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| 00:02.33 | Half-Left | Must be magic then |
| 00:04.30 | VampirePenguin | ya we love magic... found out about the seg 11/15 with dolphin and plasmas |
| 00:04.57 | Harrold_ | k I'm back hehe |
| 00:05.06 | VampirePenguin | that was a X/intel issue... fixed a couple variables in xorg.conf, and in desktop settings and no more segf |
| 00:05.08 | Harrold_ | so I reinstalled kdelibs and some other parts |
| 00:05.18 | Harrold_ | but I still have no applications in my kmenu |
| 00:05.27 | Harrold_ | or whatever it is called in kde-4.3 beta |
| 00:05.32 | Harrold_ | or rc |
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| 00:16.50 | Harrold_ | no ideas? |
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| 00:24.52 | DrSlony | Hey, any kipi-plugins people here? I just updated to 0.4.0, I wanted to check whats new, but this website seems dead http://www.kipi-plugins.org/ |
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| 00:30.55 | psi-jack | Where would I disable the feature to hold ALT and click to move a window? |
| 00:31.19 | psi-jack | It seriously interupts one of my programs that causes it to just keel over and die a bloody death, an opengl intensive one. |
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| 00:35.33 | DrSlony | psi-jack system-settings |
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| 00:36.24 | DrSlony | global keyboard shortcuts |
| 00:38.45 | Jucato | psi-jack, DrSlony: System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Actions tab |
| 00:39.36 | DrSlony | Jucato : oops, youre right |
| 00:42.17 | psi-jack | Ahh thank you. |
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| 01:25.20 | darthanubis | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/unassigned-bugs/2009-February/006519.html |
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| 01:42.38 | psi-jack | Alright now.. |
| 01:42.51 | psi-jack | When I hold down shift, I hear a beep.. Where's that setting at? heh |
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| 01:46.58 | racecar56 | is it possible to clear the history from the "Open with..." dialog (kde 4.2) |
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| 02:07.09 | psi-jack | When I hold down shift, I hear a beep.. Where's that setting at? heh |
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| 02:50.11 | Wowbagger_ | When I right click on the panel and looked in "add widgets", there's no mention of weather anywhere that I can see. |
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| 03:43.31 | Guest93934 | guys: VERY serious bug - on Netbook, vert is 600pix and some windows the OK button is out of sight & unreachable. |
| 03:44.58 | Guest93934 | Need to mebe extend window so bottom portion shows in desktop3 while top is showing in 1 |
| 03:45.42 | Guest93934 | Critical KDE bug! Please someone fix! |
| 03:47.04 | Guest93934 | sorry! ignore me |
| 03:47.12 | Guest93934 | alt+drag fixes it |
| 03:47.15 | Guest93934 | apologies |
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| 04:14.21 | solofight | Help | how can i get new themes for my iceweasel and where can i change them ? |
| 04:15.01 | solofight | whats the shortcut key for switching between desktops , i have enabled qubical effect |
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| 04:19.35 | DaZ | solofight: ctrl+f1,2,3(...) |
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| 04:30.12 | scrote | hi |
| 04:30.35 | scrote | how do i change the color of icon text? i.e. the icons of a folders contents. |
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| 04:33.51 | solofight | help | how do i chang the format of the active tab or in a window ? |
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| 04:47.30 | MrSparkle | hmm I was messing with themes some, and now I cant seem to get back to the one I was using |
| 04:47.48 | MrSparkle | I was using the default kde that comes with fedora11 |
| 04:47.59 | MrSparkle | any help :( |
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| 04:57.22 | scrote | is there a place do download new color schemes ? |
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| 05:01.00 | MrSparkle | ah figured it out thanks |
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| 05:16.07 | cookiemon5ter | wish I knew why my porn streams better in konqueror |
| 05:16.08 | linopolus | Hi |
| 05:16.39 | linopolus | The point Task sheduler in System -> |
| 05:16.52 | linopolus | task sheduler uses cron or a own engine? |
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| 05:24.56 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: your porn ! ! :O |
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| 05:25.29 | JohnnyZero | I wanted to come back and thank you guys for the help |
| 05:26.33 | JohnnyZero | Using all the native KDE apps worked very well for me. The only problem is that with Konqueror I can't do some things on Facebook. But meh I guess thats not such a big deal. |
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| 05:27.56 | linopolus | Opera ftw. Opera build 4458 with Qt4.5.2 works very well |
| 05:28.07 | solofight | linopolus: i guess its cron |
| 05:28.10 | linopolus | k |
| 05:28.24 | linopolus | i'l try it :) |
| 05:28.28 | linopolus | Bye |
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| 05:30.51 | cookiemon5ter | is opera worth using |
| 05:31.01 | cookiemon5ter | is anything worth using these days |
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| 05:32.44 | XrX|Ewee | anyone can make a EAP-TLS connection with networkmanager-plasma? |
| 05:32.51 | XrX|Ewee | there is nog option |
| 05:32.55 | XrX|Ewee | *no |
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| 05:34.55 | xxtjaxx | XrX|Ewee, What is this ? |
| 05:35.02 | xxtjaxx | >Just curious.. |
| 05:35.08 | XrX|Ewee | eap-tls? |
| 05:35.11 | xxtjaxx | yes |
| 05:35.15 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: yeah opera will be in handy if you are a developer |
| 05:35.34 | XrX|Ewee | xxtjaxx: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Authentication_Protocol it's used to encrypt/authenticate |
| 05:35.47 | xxtjaxx | aha |
| 05:36.10 | cookiemon5ter | solofight: web developer ? |
| 05:36.39 | solofight | not really , but yes you can call me a avg one on that field |
| 05:36.47 | XrX|Ewee | since kde 4.2, they implemented plasma-widget-network-manager, which looks very cool, but there is no option to use eap-tls |
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| 05:37.17 | xxtjaxx | XrX|Ewee, and you wanted to use it for conneting to you wlan i guess |
| 05:37.26 | XrX|Ewee | yeah |
| 05:37.40 | cookiemon5ter | i really like the whole kde 4 thing but compatibility with streaming video would be cool |
| 05:37.49 | cookiemon5ter | like quicktime and realmedia |
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| 05:38.46 | xxtjaxx | XrX|Ewee, there are 2 options I think .. |
| 05:39.00 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: for that you can use iceweasel , which has more and more pluging avail to make it powerfull in which ever direction you want |
| 05:39.18 | cookiemon5ter | iceweasel ? |
| 05:39.43 | xxtjaxx | one is that the distribution hadnt added this during the compile for the packafge or well its simply a forgotten thing from the guys that amd this kinda frontend |
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| 05:40.26 | xxtjaxx | solofight, I hope you know that iceweasel is just a secure and de logofied version of firefox? |
| 05:40.52 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, tried konqueror in kde 4.2? |
| 05:40.59 | cookiemon5ter | yes |
| 05:41.03 | cookiemon5ter | 4.2.4 |
| 05:41.13 | xxtjaxx | any site you could suggest me to wher e it didnt work? |
| 05:41.21 | cookiemon5ter | i tried using plugins from mplayerplug-in |
| 05:41.27 | cookiemon5ter | apple trailers |
| 05:41.38 | xxtjaxx | at tzhe apple site? |
| 05:41.55 | cookiemon5ter | weird thing is after installing kde 4.2.4 mplayerplug-in wont work in ff |
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| 05:42.26 | cookiemon5ter | after messing with it for half a day I purged mplayerplug-in and installed some gecko plugin |
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| 05:42.31 | xxtjaxx | never heard tzhat there was a mplayer plug for ff? |
| 05:43.06 | cookiemon5ter | firefox mplayerplug-in konqueror 3.5x with kde 3.5x works with mplayerplug-in with kmplayer |
| 05:43.21 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, wwdc keynote? |
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| 05:43.28 | cookiemon5ter | ? |
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| 05:44.25 | cookiemon5ter | i should just install kde 3.5.10 cause kde 4.2.4 is unstable for desktop use :p |
| 05:44.57 | xxtjaxx | na which disro are you using?` |
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| 05:44.59 | utu | go with xfce |
| 05:45.04 | cookiemon5ter | gentoo |
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| 05:45.13 | cookiemon5ter | i wouldn't use xfce again |
| 05:45.33 | cookiemon5ter | to be honest I don't like any windows managers |
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| 05:45.45 | utu | xfwm4 ftw! |
| 05:45.59 | xxtjaxx | well Uh I used konqueror on the apple site an tried the wwdc keynote there and open with vlc works just fine if i had the bandwidth |
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| 05:46.19 | cookiemon5ter | konqueror 4.2 ? |
| 05:46.51 | davidc_ | hi guys, got a question regarding the login screen on kde4, where do I go to edit that login screen? |
| 05:46.52 | xxtjaxx | yes |
| 05:47.47 | xxtjaxx | davidc_, kdesystemsettings |
| 05:47.49 | cookiemon5ter | i'll figure something out |
| 05:48.09 | xxtjaxx | davidc_, advanced and then login manager |
| 05:48.15 | cookiemon5ter | I just wanted to only have one browser lol |
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| 05:48.34 | davidc_ | xxtjaxx: what about in command line? |
| 05:48.36 | xxtjaxx | why konqueror wkrs out fine |
| 05:48.44 | xxtjaxx | duh... |
| 05:49.07 | xxtjaxx | why you wanrt to use the command lien for a thing that depends on a gui any way? |
| 05:49.16 | cookiemon5ter | once i get quicktime and realmedia working |
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| 05:49.42 | xxtjaxx | cokiemonster vlc works fine there |
| 05:50.10 | davidc_ | xxtjaxx: actually i'd like to know how its being configured in the backend. |
| 05:50.24 | cookiemon5ter | xxtjaxx: what distro you use ? |
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| 05:51.00 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: xfce is realy developer friendly |
| 05:51.16 | solofight | to my prefrence unlike kde |
| 05:51.24 | solofight | but kde rocks with new features |
| 05:51.26 | cookiemon5ter | solofight: if it doesn't look pretty I'll just use a framebuffer console |
| 05:51.27 | solofight | and looks |
| 05:51.36 | xxtjaxx | davidc_ hmm good question uhm well i try to get my seklf into kde develpment but never been at that speific pointbefor sneek around /etc/ maybe u find something |
| 05:52.13 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: my life is majorly with console screen with a theme of black background and florescent green text , |
| 05:52.16 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, stable and enterprise stuff is my opensuse 11.1 and testing hacking developning and so on a debian |
| 05:52.31 | solofight | xfce you switch tabs just like that pressing Alt+ tab number |
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| 05:52.42 | cookiemon5ter | i thought about trying opensuse |
| 05:52.51 | xxtjaxx | solofight, cheers me too |
| 05:52.53 | cookiemon5ter | suse 7.3 was my first distro |
| 05:52.54 | solofight | in kde you press shift and arrow keys or some other option which uses pageup and page down |
| 05:53.08 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: suse is good ? |
| 05:53.18 | xxtjaxx | solofight, shift right/ left |
| 05:53.23 | cookiemon5ter | it was good i just tried others |
| 05:53.29 | solofight | xxtjaxx: ha ha cheers |
| 05:53.48 | cookiemon5ter | I'm getting older and slowly moving away from gentoo |
| 05:53.57 | cookiemon5ter | sick of all the configuring and not using |
| 05:54.00 | solofight | xxtjaxx: yeah , Shift right/left is boring when i have 15 tabs opened |
| 05:54.38 | xxtjaxx | solofight, geeze can yiou fucking imagine just to tab through 1^5time s to get to the end fucking terrrible |
| 05:54.40 | solofight | and time is a constraint |
| 05:54.42 | cookiemon5ter | I'm either gonna try something else or use the same portage snapshot w/o syncing or updating portage |
| 05:54.59 | xxtjaxx | solofight why are you here as xfce use anyway if i may ask= |
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| 05:55.18 | cookiemon5ter | fluxbox tabbing is neat |
| 05:55.43 | solofight | i am trying to identify a comfortable workplace for me , experimenting kde now |
| 05:55.44 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, try either ebian for ultra stability or suse for good solid entertainment and enterpörise |
| 05:56.13 | xxtjaxx | solofight, try a debnian witzh some upgrading form squeeze |
| 05:56.27 | xxtjaxx | compiles the curent trunk like a champ |
| 05:57.03 | cookiemon5ter | is opensuse configurable ? |
| 05:58.27 | xxtjaxx | what do you need to configure all the tie anyway? |
| 05:58.46 | cookiemon5ter | good question |
| 05:59.01 | solofight | xxtjaxx: squeeze ?. |
| 05:59.30 | solofight | xxtjaxx: is there a way i can import the console tabbing from xfce to kde ? |
| 05:59.41 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.55 | xxtjaxx | How about settings |
| 06:00.27 | solofight | can you please direct me ? |
| 06:00.39 | cookiemon5ter | that would be so weird going back to rpm after portage and debian |
| 06:00.41 | xxtjaxx | Everything is possible just configure it in your _KONSOLE_settings (NOte the crrect spelling with a K) |
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| 06:00.57 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, why? |
| 06:01.13 | cookiemon5ter | just something else to reteach myself :p |
| 06:01.30 | xxtjaxx | try squeeeze |
| 06:01.59 | cookiemon5ter | when I get this other pc togther I will give it a try |
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| 06:02.14 | cookiemon5ter | waiting on a cpu that is on back order |
| 06:02.15 | xxtjaxx | solofight, ok open a Konsole the up in the toolbar Settings the curent prtofile |
| 06:02.57 | solofight | yeah i configured my console colors over there , didn see the tab shortcuts over there |
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| 06:03.11 | xxtjaxx | see try this |
| 06:03.42 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, may try it in a virtual machine |
| 06:03.59 | cookiemon5ter | indeed I have virtualbox around here somewhere |
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| 06:04.17 | xxtjaxx | solofight, go in current profile to input the edit |
| 06:05.24 | solofight | xxtjaxx: yeah am there , next ? |
| 06:06.38 | xxtjaxx | edit |
| 06:07.05 | xxtjaxx | Hell i fdont knwo everythin my self explore dude |
| 06:07.23 | solofight | xxtjaxx: ha ha , ok |
| 06:07.44 | cookiemon5ter | i think I'll try vlc with konqueror tomorrow |
| 06:07.57 | cookiemon5ter | I don't feel like compiling atm :p |
| 06:08.10 | xxtjaxx | Sorry |
| 06:08.29 | xxtjaxx | At least it isnt konquerors fault though... |
| 06:08.45 | cookiemon5ter | konqueror works great though |
| 06:08.54 | cookiemon5ter | plays flash flawlessly |
| 06:08.59 | cookiemon5ter | better than ff |
| 06:09.24 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: konqueror fails in the case of CBC |
| 06:09.35 | cookiemon5ter | CBC ? |
| 06:09.50 | solofight | CBC = Cross Browser Compatablity |
| 06:10.10 | solofight | cookiemon5ter: firefox plays flash bad you mean ? |
| 06:10.19 | cookiemon5ter | yes |
| 06:10.25 | tuxick | konq has some problems with trial&error java |
| 06:10.40 | tuxick | the rendering is pretty ok |
| 06:10.55 | tuxick | javascript i meant |
| 06:11.09 | cookiemon5ter | i got java working with konqueror pretty good with KIO enabled |
| 06:12.05 | tuxick | i've run into several sites where js simply fails |
| 06:12.06 | xxtjaxx | But I think the CBC issue will besolved soon ... |
| 06:12.18 | tuxick | including typo3 backend btw |
| 06:12.27 | xxtjaxx | was it the webdevelopert then? |
| 06:12.29 | cookiemon5ter | i think everything will be ok someday :) |
| 06:12.38 | cookiemon5ter | i have faith in kde dev :) |
| 06:13.16 | xxtjaxx | well we Seemed to bashed aroundon the blogs enough though so lets see what we can do about it now right tuxick?= |
| 06:13.50 | xxtjaxx | cookiemon5ter, thak you ^-^ |
| 06:14.09 | tuxick | xxtjaxx: i'm afraid it might be the kind of js that was broken from the start, and made to work on IE and FF by trial&error |
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| 06:14.47 | tuxick | sadly i can't come up with a public example now |
| 06:15.01 | xxtjaxx | aha... |
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| 06:20.11 | iomari | after udating my kde 4.3 again I'm having trouble running python scripts.An example is when I run pssh, I get: |
| 06:20.19 | iomari | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 06:20.21 | iomari | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.23 | iomari | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.26 | iomari | ImportError: No module named pkg_resources |
| 06:20.31 | iomari | can someone help? |
| 06:21.06 | xxtjaxx | iomari, i fear its some kinda binding problem ... |
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| 06:21.22 | iomari | xxtjaxx: where do I start? |
| 06:21.54 | cookiemon5ter | iomari: do you have python-updater ? |
| 06:22.01 | iomari | 1 sec ..... |
| 06:22.21 | iomari | nope |
| 06:22.25 | cookiemon5ter | not sure if it is a python thing gentoo thing or what though |
| 06:22.41 | xxtjaxx | doesnt sound like a kde prob,#lem tot me however.. |
| 06:22.48 | cookiemon5ter | but it is a script that updates all your pythons stuffs |
| 06:23.09 | iomari | I'll see if suse has such an app ....... |
| 06:23.38 | cookiemon5ter | actually the homepage is http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python so I think it is a gentoo thingy |
| 06:24.46 | iomari | cookiemon5ter: any suggestions for suse? |
| 06:25.07 | cookiemon5ter | no sorry :( |
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| 06:25.23 | iomari | cookiemon5ter: ok, thanks anyway |
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| 06:26.01 | cookiemon5ter | anyone know the what the stable koffice for kde 4.2.4 is ? |
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| 06:26.28 | cookiemon5ter | I'm guessing 2.0.0 or 2.0.1 ? |
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| 06:26.55 | Jucato | cookiemon5ter: KOffice releases separately from KDE, so there is no "for 4.2.4". but the latest stable of KOffice is 2.0.1 |
| 06:27.27 | cookiemon5ter | Jucato: awesome thanks |
| 06:27.42 | Jucato | (well, latest stable KDE 4 version... but still not yet recommended) |
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| 06:28.13 | cookiemon5ter | so I should go with 2.0.0 ? |
| 06:28.26 | Jucato | nope. |
| 06:28.33 | Jucato | go for the 1.x series (KDE 3) |
| 06:28.41 | Jucato | "Our goal for now is to release a first preview of what we have accomplished. This release is mainly aimed at developers, testers and early adopters. It is not aimed at end users, and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet." |
| 06:28.56 | Jucato | (that's for 2.0.x) |
| 06:29.30 | cookiemon5ter | does 1.x need kde3 libs ? |
| 06:29.32 | Jucato | yes |
| 06:30.06 | cookiemon5ter | so is having a working kde 4x workstation out of the question atm ? |
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| 06:31.05 | Jucato | of course it's possible, unless you're aiming for "pure KDE 4, no KDE 3, no none-KDE apps" |
| 06:31.31 | cookiemon5ter | that was the plan |
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| 06:31.44 | cookiemon5ter | I only discovered koffice today |
| 06:32.02 | cookiemon5ter | i'm compiling 1x now on my kde 3.5x machine |
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| 06:32.18 | cookiemon5ter | this laptop with kde 4 is a mess atm |
| 06:32.26 | eternaleye_ | Is anyone who works on KDNSSD in here? My distro doesn't package mDNSResponder, and disables the dnssd-compatibility code in its build of Avahi. Is there anything on the roadmap for KDNSSD to support native Avahi interfaces? Otherwise, I'm stuck either rolling my own Avahi and kdenetwork packages (since they hard-disable kdnssd due to nonexistent dependencies), or being without Zeroconf support. |
| 06:33.15 | cookiemon5ter | Jucato: i even tried the new k3b with no luck |
| 06:33.31 | cookiemon5ter | I'm currently just using cdrkit |
| 06:33.45 | cookiemon5ter | wodim mkisofs etc |
| 06:34.41 | cookiemon5ter | cli apps aren't supposed to be easier than gui apps :( |
| 06:35.14 | Jucato | but if you insist on using apps that are marked as "not yet for end user", it will be :) |
| 06:35.25 | cookiemon5ter | good point |
| 06:35.50 | eternaleye_ | Jucato: I'm running pure KDE4, with no KDE3 and the only non-KDE apps I use being Firefox and Quassel |
| 06:36.02 | eternaleye_ | Jucato: So it's perfectly doable |
| 06:36.14 | Jucato | eternaleye_: still not "pure" since you have 2 :) |
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| 06:36.18 | cookiemon5ter | eternaleye_: what do you use for cd/dvd recording ? |
| 06:36.23 | Jucato | and I didn't say it wasn't doable :) |
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| 06:36.26 | eternaleye_ | wodim |
| 06:36.37 | Jucato | uh huh.. now that's 3 :) |
| 06:36.38 | eternaleye_ | I'm also a CLI junkie |
| 06:36.51 | cookiemon5ter | eternaleye_: I'm a cli junkie too I guess |
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| 06:37.02 | Jucato | (though you could say you're using Konsole/Yakuake to use wodim and get away with it :) |
| 06:37.06 | eternaleye_ | I have at least 6 tabs open in Konsole at any given time |
| 06:37.10 | cookiemon5ter | I thought of all these linux days I would go gui with eyecandy |
| 06:37.39 | cookiemon5ter | konsole tabs ssh etc :) |
| 06:37.55 | eternaleye_ | cookiemon5ter: But you can't script GUIs (unless you use dbus and xdotool creatively, but that's cumbersome) |
| 06:38.28 | cookiemon5ter | somedays it seems like this was all pointless |
| 06:39.03 | eternaleye_ | Jucato: Also, CLI apps don't count - the KDE apps use them behind the scens anyway! |
| 06:39.09 | eternaleye_ | *scenes |
| 06:39.35 | Jucato | eternaleye_: not if you use them directly. and KDE/K3b doesn't use wodim :) |
| 06:40.12 | cookiemon5ter | Jucato: that k3b I used tried to use wodim |
| 06:40.32 | eternaleye_ | cdrkit is a functional equivalent to cdrecord, and k3b uses either of those + dvd+rw-toools |
| 06:40.35 | Jucato | cookiemon5ter: yeah, that k3b that wasn't working? :) |
| 06:40.48 | cookiemon5ter | Jucato: :p |
| 06:41.11 | eternaleye_ | Jucato: k3b works here; it's just quicker to run wodim than wait for it to start |
| 06:41.28 | cookiemon5ter | i think I'll just have to stick with wodim no gui cd/dvd recording apps make me happy :S |
| 06:41.55 | eternaleye_ | Especially since the only things I ever burn are my CS assignments, which are < 5mb |
| 06:42.09 | Jucato | stick to what you want/what works for you. the secret of satisfaction :) |
| 06:43.04 | cookiemon5ter | i mostly just burn data dvds |
| 06:43.28 | cookiemon5ter | my hdmi player plays dvd data disks so I can fit 6-7 movies on one dvd |
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| 06:48.55 | cookiemon5ter | wish I had a telescope |
| 06:49.15 | cookiemon5ter | according to kstars uranus and jupiter are visible |
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| 07:18.59 | irshad | Hi |
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| 07:19.10 | irshad | I want some guidance |
| 07:19.19 | irshad | I want to contribute to Konqueror |
| 07:19.29 | irshad | How do I do that? |
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| 07:20.14 | PPHman | run it ,irshad. |
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| 07:21.02 | irshad | PPHman: I can do Java programming |
| 07:21.31 | PPHman | irshad, good. |
| 07:21.43 | irshad | PPHMan:And recently read about the need for a fully fledged KDE browser |
| 07:21.59 | irshad | PPHMan: I am also familiar with some C++ syntax |
| 07:22.12 | irshad | PPHMan: And I want to help |
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| 07:22.22 | irshad | PPHMan: How do I start? |
| 07:22.47 | PPHman | good, irshad, i am a beginner, i need help too. |
| 07:23.10 | irshad | PPHMan: How can I help you? |
| 07:23.34 | PPHman | first, i should learn english |
| 07:23.50 | irshad | PPHMan: your english seems fine |
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| 07:24.38 | Jucato | irshad: you can read up on the tutorials and guides on http://techbase.kde.org |
| 07:25.20 | Jucato | if you're more interested in the web engine, KHTML, there's a #khtml channel. otherwise, if it's generic konq, the kfm-devel mailing list is probably more appropriate |
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| 07:25.59 | Jucato | and the general KDE development channel is #kde-devel (though not many people are available right now. a lot of them are at Gran Canaria Desktop Summit) |
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| 07:26.41 | irshad | Great! |
| 07:27.30 | irshad | Let me start with reading the techbase |
| 07:27.47 | irshad | Thanks guys |
| 07:27.54 | Guest45412 | about the summits, where can I find the videos of the talks there have been over the weekend? |
| 07:28.15 | Jucato | beer__: videos are usually posted after the summit ends. |
| 07:28.26 | Jucato | iow, there aren't any yet available |
| 07:28.40 | irshad | PPHMan: Is there any way i can help to improve your English? |
| 07:28.53 | Jucato | irshad: I think you'd want to pay special attention to the KParts and plugins/services tutorial, since Konqueror uses a lot of those |
| 07:28.57 | beer__ | and the sumits end at the 13th? |
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| 07:29.26 | PPHman | irshad: can you teach me english? |
| 07:29.34 | Jucato | not in here |
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| 07:29.42 | Jucato | beer__: 11th |
| 07:30.20 | irshad | PPHMan: My native toungue is also not English |
| 07:30.38 | PPHman | irshad: can we talk in PM? |
| 07:30.44 | irshad | Ok |
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| 07:34.45 | Shrp_ | be careful with PPHman |
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| 07:35.17 | Shrp_ | he/she is a bit off his/her rocker |
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| 07:36.54 | PPHman | shrp_: what do you mean? |
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| 07:40.10 | toter | is there a way to remove the popup that shows up when I hover the mouse on any taskbar icon? |
| 07:40.34 | PPHman | Shrp_ : why do you say like that? |
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| 07:43.38 | andreas_ | Hae we set the distr#ibutions to make the deecision where the mysqld conf is? |
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| 07:48.05 | Phlogi | hmm was ktimetracker integration in kontact removed? Or can I get somehow in kde 4.3? |
| 07:48.29 | andreas_ | Phlogi, why remove it`? |
| 07:48.42 | Phlogi | andreas_: its not integrated any longer here |
| 07:49.48 | Phlogi | oh and it crashes: http://pastebin.ca/1485455 <- is this a useful backtrace? |
| 07:49.50 | Jucato | Phlogi: you've checked Kontact settings? |
| 07:50.12 | Jucato | (the settings where you can configure which components should show up in Kontact) |
| 07:50.33 | Phlogi | Jucato: yes of course, nothing there |
| 07:50.59 | Jucato | you can try asking in #kontact then. at least in 4.2.x it's still there (and actually can't be removed using the GUI...) |
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| 07:51.30 | Jucato | andreas_: since KDE itself never shipped mysql, it has always been the distributions' decision where to put that |
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| 07:55.50 | icwiener | toter: Right-click on the taskbar and open the configuration. There might be something useful in there for you. |
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| 08:29.52 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, is kaudiocreator going to be ported to KDE4 ? what's the status of that software ? |
| 08:31.22 | shiki- | hello |
| 08:34.18 | Jucato | henry-nicolas: it's ported. part of Extragear multimedia. so it doesn't ship together with KDE. not sure about it's status though |
| 08:34.25 | hekkro | Hi guys, Is there a way to improve kontact/kmail speed? I mean the same email opened with thunderbird is still downloading on kmail/kontact |
| 08:34.58 | henry-nicolas | Jucato: is it integrated within distribution (like Debian) ? |
| 08:35.12 | Jucato | henry-nicolas: that depends on the distro. you'll have to ask them |
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| 08:36.30 | henry-nicolas | Jucato: on the websvn, I can't see it in the tagged folder, so I guess it has not yet been tagged for a release, right ?µ |
| 08:37.30 | Jucato | like I said, Extragear doesn't (normally) release with KDE. they release on their own. so they aren't tagged. (there are a few Extragear apps who have decided to release "at the same time" as KDE, but are still not part of the KDE software distribution proper) |
| 08:37.34 | pinotree | with "tagged folder" you mean which directory? |
| 08:37.48 | Jucato | oh hi pino :) |
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| 08:45.39 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
| 08:47.36 | shiki- | Dumble, hey! |
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| 08:49.50 | andreas_ | Hey shiki |
| 08:49.54 | andreas_ | Hey shiki- |
| 08:50.17 | shiki- | andreas_: hello |
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| 08:51.30 | andreas_ | david nolden or Hamish Rodda here?` |
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| 08:52.58 | andreas_ | Got a little problem here with Kdevelop and the duchain |
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| 08:53.22 | pinotree | andreas_: #kdevelop |
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| 09:20.34 | spirov92 | are there any really big bugs in kde 4.3? I am considering updating to the rc1 |
| 09:23.50 | SSJ_GZ | spirov92: There's an annoying Plasma crash which didn't get fixed in time for RC1 |
| 09:23.59 | SSJ_GZ | Or rather, the fix wasn't added to RC1 |
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| 09:24.27 | spirov92 | I'll try it anyway |
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| 09:27.36 | SoftVision | hi I'm looking for a qt-based IDE for C. any suggestions? |
| 09:28.14 | Jucato | Qt Creator I guess. but for Qt-only apps, there's #qt and qt-apps.org |
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| 09:28.40 | Jucato | KDevelop (the KDE 3 version, forgot the actual version number) is a multi-language IDE |
| 09:28.53 | SoftVision | ok thanks I'll check them out. |
| 09:28.58 | Jucato | (KDevelop4 is still under heavy development) |
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| 09:38.25 | lantizia | Hey, I'm writing a quick language file... how would you say "Change Password" in german? |
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| 09:39.45 | lantizia | Passwort ändern ? |
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| 09:51.59 | yokto | is there a way in kmail to reply to a mail that you don't have (change the In-Reply-To tag) if you have the Message-ID of that mail? |
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| 09:56.54 | szal | other than putting the mail in the Outgoing folder & editing the field by hand w/ a text editor, I wouldn't know |
| 09:57.45 | szal | best if you use maildir for such 'operations', w/ mbox you might be searching your a** off for the msg |
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| 10:33.13 | tuxick | kmail not timing out trying to connect to remote imap server |
| 10:33.17 | tuxick | what could cause that? |
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| 10:33.23 | tuxick | no messages, just waiting |
| 10:33.35 | tuxick | it's rather lame |
| 10:34.14 | tuxick | restarting fixed it ;p |
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| 10:48.20 | phar0z | How Can I get xchat with a transparent background in KDE 4.x ? |
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| 10:48.52 | DaZ- | composite? |
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| 11:09.41 | Slony | Help, can I somehow disable only 1 specific window from blinking in the task manager panel? |
| 11:09.54 | Frantic | guys, I'm using the Zion reversed dark theme, any idea how I can fix my firefox fields and widgets? |
| 11:10.08 | Slony | To be precise, its the toolbox window from Gimp. Its not a real window, but it often needs me to click on it just so it stops blinking, and thereby pissing me off. |
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| 11:12.30 | Half-Left | Well the gimp toolbox it is a real window |
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| 11:14.28 | Slony | it doesnt alt+tab like a real window |
| 11:14.31 | Slony | its speshul. |
| 11:15.25 | Half-Left | That's mostly lightly because it's setup to be part of gimp as one but has window options |
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| 11:17.09 | Slony | well anyway can i disable activity blinking pissifying notification? ;] |
| 11:17.13 | Half-Left | Slony: We don't support GIMP here but you'll have to play around with it's window management options |
| 11:17.14 | Slony | (only for that window) |
| 11:17.48 | Slony | sometimes it seems to call me for no reason, just starts blinking out of the blue, as if it gets lonely |
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| 11:23.54 | Half-Left | For one start you can turn the toolbox into a utility window |
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| 11:38.11 | Slony | Half-Left it seems to already be a utility window |
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| 11:38.32 | Slony | rightclick > advanced > special window settings > window extra |
| 11:38.36 | Slony | utility window is highlighted |
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| 11:39.03 | Half-Left | I mean in the GIMP options itself |
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| 11:39.32 | Half-Left | You should ask in the GIMP channel |
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| 11:39.54 | Markus23 | Which encryption algorithm does kwallet use? |
| 11:40.19 | Markus23 | In the handbook it does not say - which looks very unprofessional |
| 11:40.30 | Slony | What does "skip pager" mean? |
| 11:40.56 | Slony | the help tooltip is useless there |
| 11:41.04 | Half-Left | Most light doesn't show |
| 11:41.09 | Half-Left | lightly* |
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| 11:42.35 | Slony | Half-Left could you rephrase? I didnt understand that |
| 11:42.54 | Half-Left | I.e doesn't show in the pager |
| 11:43.17 | Slony | what is the pager? |
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| 11:44.05 | Half-Left | You don't know what a pager does or is? |
| 11:44.21 | Jucato | Slony: the desktop pager. the 4 (or 2, depending on distro) boxes on the panel that let's you switch desktops |
| 11:44.22 | Slony | correct |
| 11:44.28 | Slony | ah |
| 11:44.58 | Markus23 | it seems to use blowfish CBC mode and SHA-1 hasing for data integrity |
| 11:45.15 | Slony | would perhaps "focus stealing prevention" prevent it from flashing? |
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| 11:46.43 | zimon | hello .. i've got a problem with printing in kde 4.2 .. printig via lpr works, but when i try to print out of okular my printer produces blank pages only |
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| 11:50.49 | zimon | update: printing a textfile from kwrite works. printing pdf from okular doesn't |
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| 11:56.42 | AMorozov | Hi! |
| 11:58.04 | AMorozov | I'd like to ask whether it's possible to make a panel (or other plasma widget) to float over all other desktop elements: windows, other widgets e t.c. |
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| 12:02.04 | annma | AMorozov: plasma widgets are on the canvas |
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| 12:02.40 | annma | so no |
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| 12:05.04 | AMorozov | Is it planned to be changed in a future releases or maybe an alternative approach. I'd like to have something to be always visible but not eating screenspace... |
| 12:06.09 | Kavorka_ | any users having problems here having new msn contacts in kopete appearing offline even though they are actually online? |
| 12:06.27 | Half-Left | Well if it's visible it's always "eating screenspace" |
| 12:07.34 | Half-Left | Unless you use Dashboard |
| 12:08.24 | annma | Kavorka_: #kopete |
| 12:08.25 | AMorozov | Half-Left: no, not necessary. E.g. it may reside near the upper side of the screen over (usually unused) windows titles space. |
| 12:08.59 | annma | plasma widgets cannot "float" over windows as far as I know |
| 12:09.24 | AMorozov | Just a moment, I'll make a screenshot.Well, panels can. But I can't make it "always on top" |
| 12:09.35 | Half-Left | As said though widgets can never be in front of windows |
| 12:09.40 | SSJ_GZ | Just use plasmoidviewer |
| 12:10.22 | AMorozov | So I have to move the mouse to the upper side to see clocks and tray area... Just a moment... |
| 12:10.50 | Slony | Would be neat if we could designate one of the screen corners to show all the plasma widgets above anything currently open |
| 12:11.15 | Slony | and also to be able to drag a file onto that screen corner so we can then drop in unto one of these widgets. |
| 12:11.25 | Slony | e.g. the pastebin/imagebin uploaded widget |
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| 12:11.53 | Half-Left | Well you can if they're on the panel |
| 12:12.10 | Slony | "the panel" what panel? |
| 12:12.33 | Half-Left | Any panel, i.e the main one |
| 12:12.53 | Half-Left | The panel is a top level window |
| 12:12.58 | Half-Left | Widgets are not |
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| 12:13.38 | Half-Left | But you can get around this by putting widgets into a panel |
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| 12:14.11 | Slony | oho |
| 12:14.14 | Slony | thanks :) |
| 12:14.59 | Half-Left | So it solves your problem by being in the panel, which in itelf can be under or autohide |
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| 12:22.27 | AMorozov | Here it is http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4200/panelnem.pngThe upper panel is what I'd like to see always on top. But I can't make it such, there's no a special config option. The "special window parameters" don't help either. |
| 12:23.02 | SSJ_GZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.33 | Half-Left | AMorozov: There is a "Windows can go below" option for the panel |
| 12:26.47 | Half-Left | "Windows go below" |
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| 12:29.19 | AMorozov | Half-Left: and they actually can :) You may see it on the screenshot. But they also can go up, so the panel goes underneath. |
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| 12:44.57 | AMorozov | BTW, it *seems* that "special windows settings" don't work as expected in 4.2.4. At least I can't force kopete contacts window to be "utility window" as it works for me in KDE3 (even if I run kopete-4 in KDE3 environment). Is it a know bug or maybe I just didn't configure it /properly/ ? |
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| 12:51.14 | manu_ | hi |
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| 12:52.22 | manu_ | how can i get my exact kde version and my qt lib version and kdelibs with console command |
| 12:52.23 | manu_ | thx |
| 12:53.05 | AMorozov | manu_: well, the simplest way I think is to ask /your package manager/. |
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| 12:53.24 | manu_ | i use apt |
| 12:53.44 | AMorozov | if you use debian or ubuntu use dpkg-query or apt. |
| 12:55.11 | AMorozov | dpkg -query I think is the most efficient way to do this. Use smth likedpkg-query -l | grep 'kde\|qt' |
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| 12:56.05 | seto | manu_: maybee apt-cache policy packagename can be helpfull too |
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| 12:56.59 | SSJ_GZ | manu_: kde-config -v |
| 12:57.18 | SSJ_GZ | Or kde4-config -v for KDE4 |
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| 12:59.04 | manu_ | thx |
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| 13:01.18 | manu_ | what other infos are usefull to write a confirmation of a bug? |
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| 13:03.06 | szal | just to reassure myself.. I have a working KMail setup in my other distro on the 2nd HDD.. will it suffice to symlink the kmail directory and the config files to this home for KMail to work like I want it to? |
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| 13:03.52 | judgen | I dont remember how to get the desktop icons on kde4... could someone please enlighten me... |
| 13:04.24 | AMorozov | well, generally yes. Just make sure you have a valid backup of your mails :) |
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| 13:08.49 | AMorozov | bye |
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| 13:09.50 | judgen | hmm i think plasma crashed. |
| 13:10.17 | seria-mau | i compiled kile 2.1 beta1 for my kde 4.3 rc1 install, but it's incomplete: i can't compile my latex documents with pdflatex. the 2.1 version vom debian for kde 4.2.4 has all this options. any ideas? |
| 13:10.26 | pvandewynKandle | my plasma crashed a lot, but thats because its svn |
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| 13:11.27 | pvandewynKandle | seria-mau, i ahd to install some additional packages and suddenly it had the options in kile , it was *tex*-common i think |
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| 13:12.46 | spirov92 | I'm on opensuse, and just updated from 4.2 to 4.3 rc1 |
| 13:12.55 | tuxick | oh dear! |
| 13:13.18 | spirov92 | but there's a naming change, and now the settings are in .kde instead of .kde4 |
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| 13:13.27 | spirov92 | if I just rename the folder, will it work? |
| 13:13.42 | pinotree | yes |
| 13:13.42 | pvandewynKandle | spirov92 make it a link, so both work |
| 13:14.12 | seria-mau | pvandewynKandle: additional kde packages? |
| 13:15.19 | pvandewynKandle | no tex packages |
| 13:15.32 | seria-mau | i have all tex packages i need |
| 13:16.01 | seria-mau | it's a problem with this compiled kile version, my tex installation is complete |
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| 13:20.26 | judgen | i i crashed. Once more then.... How do i get a plain icon desktop? |
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| 13:21.04 | seria-mau | judgen: what do you mean by "plain icon desktop"? |
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| 13:21.32 | annma | judgen: drag something from Kickoff for example |
| 13:21.40 | annma | to get an icon which starts a prog |
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| 13:30.12 | judgen | annma: i thought it was the "Desktop folder" widget that i could use. |
| 13:30.27 | judgen | somehow |
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| 13:34.49 | seria-mau | judgen: you could also make your whole desktop a "desktop folder": right click on desktop -> desktop settings -> Desktop Activity Type: Folder View |
| 13:35.06 | judgen | seria-mau: thats what i want |
| 13:35.21 | seria-mau | judgen: does it work? |
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| 13:36.07 | judgen | seria-mau: yes. Thankyou very much |
| 13:36.55 | judgen | now... how do i remove the yellow blob in the corner? |
| 13:37.15 | seria-mau | the cashew? well, you can't. unfortunately. |
| 13:37.45 | judgen | danr |
| 13:37.45 | judgen | darn* |
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| 13:38.28 | MinceR | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/I+HATE+the+Cashew?content=91009 |
| 13:38.33 | MinceR | if this is true, then you can :> |
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| 13:40.04 | judgen | MinceR: does that work on RC1? |
| 13:40.06 | Half-Left | MinceR: It's just a shame they're childish about it. |
| 13:40.12 | MinceR | i've never tried it |
| 13:40.18 | MinceR | that's why i said "if this is true" :> |
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| 13:41.19 | seria-mau | Half-Left: true. i think i never used the cashew... |
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| 13:42.39 | Half-Left | I mean the person who implemented that "I hate cashew" |
| 13:42.55 | seria-mau | oh |
| 13:43.02 | seria-mau | well, i really don't like it |
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| 13:43.06 | cumulus007 | Hi, there happens to be a KDE 4.3 release counter, where can I find the resources to translate it into Dutch? |
| 13:43.53 | Half-Left | Just hide it behind the panel :) |
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| 13:45.44 | seria-mau | Half-Left: i can't because when i expand the panel to full screen width, the digital clock gets cut of. so i have to make my panel smaller and - there's the cashew again |
| 13:45.59 | mzanetti | cumulus007: http://my.opera.com/it-s/blog/2009/07/01/kde-4-3-release-counter |
| 13:46.03 | junkDawgie | best i can tell, the only reason to use cashew "activities" instead of conventional multiple desktops is to have different plasmoids on each full screen display |
| 13:46.10 | Half-Left | Hide it behind the smaller panel |
| 13:47.07 | Half-Left | In 4.3 it has short cut settings now and it also useful for other devices, not just desktops |
| 13:47.52 | cumulus007 | argh, the dutch translation that someone posted is bad |
| 13:48.45 | junkDawgie | the cashew ZoomIn/ZoomOut can have a keyboard shortcut, Half-Left? |
| 13:48.57 | Half-Left | The toolbox would be extremely useful with touch screen devices as well |
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| 13:49.30 | Half-Left | junkDawgie: Yep, Alt, D + |
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| 13:49.58 | mzanetti | cumulus007: You can write your improvements to the suggested mail address if you wish |
| 13:50.08 | cumulus007 | ok |
| 13:50.27 | junkDawgie | good point... touchscreen is a place i hadn't thought of... would be perfect for cellphone/PDA |
| 13:50.41 | junkDawgie | iPhoneish |
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| 13:51.39 | seria-mau | well, i don't have a touchscreen |
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| 13:52.20 | Half-Left | Well really, who want to have to right click everything to get to settings |
| 13:52.48 | Half-Left | When you can just click it |
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| 13:54.52 | seria-mau | who needs an extra widget on the desktop if one can just right click on it :) |
| 13:55.53 | spirov92 | do you guys know if there's any progress on kde4 Quanta? |
| 13:56.06 | freinhard | file/folder names get cut at "-" in plasma extenders. can anyone find an existing bug for that? |
| 13:56.18 | judgen | MinceR: Seems i cant get that cashew remover to work it seems |
| 13:56.26 | MinceR | ic |
| 13:56.30 | junkDawgie | when we get the eyepiece hardware to look and blink, your mouse will be old hat, seria-mau |
| 13:56.33 | judgen | Ill just have to leave it there for now |
| 13:57.30 | judgen | Ok another probably stupid question: How do i disable the trashcan in KDE? I want to delete directly without resorting to terminal. |
| 13:57.44 | Jucato | Shift+Del |
| 13:57.53 | judgen | Jucato: No i ment by default- |
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| 13:59.42 | Jucato | no idea then |
| 14:00.42 | Jucato | (in any case, if you had time to actually delete from the terminal, I think Shift+Del or even right-click -> Delete is still way faster...) |
| 14:00.55 | SSJ_GZ | I guess you could swap the "Delete" and "Move to Trash" shortcuts |
| 14:01.17 | Jucato | probably. from the global settings perhaps |
| 14:01.20 | judgen | SSJ_GZ: yeah |
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| 14:02.21 | perlmonkey2 | Is there any way to get the network plasmoid to tell you the network bandwidth when it is embedded in a panel? |
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| 14:06.00 | cumulus007 | mzanetti: they have mail :) |
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| 14:07.01 | darthanubis | perlmonkey2: no |
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| 14:08.26 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:08.58 | gimpuzmani | hi |
| 14:09.21 | gimpuzmani | hi |
| 14:09.30 | pinotree | hi |
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| 14:09.54 | gimpuzmani | I want to interview with kde developer |
| 14:10.36 | annma | gimpuzmani: what area? |
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| 14:10.54 | annma | are you interested in? |
| 14:10.57 | gimpuzmani | |
| 14:10.57 | gimpuzmani | Where can I find them |
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| 14:11.20 | pvandewynKandle | currently there are a lot of them at GCDS |
| 14:11.21 | gimpuzmani | Yes |
| 14:11.21 | annma | the best is to send your questions either to kde Promo mailing list |
| 14:11.24 | lesshaste | is there a kile channel somewhere? |
| 14:11.34 | gimpuzmani | thanks anna |
| 14:11.47 | gimpuzmani | thanks annma |
| 14:11.48 | Jucato | lesshaste: there doesn't seem to be one. you could try their web page. it has a link to forums |
| 14:11.51 | Half-Left | 'Please leave you name and number and we'll get back to you' |
| 14:11.57 | gimpuzmani | annma, you are developer |
| 14:12.00 | seria-mau | lesshaste: i have a similar issue hier |
| 14:12.03 | lesshaste | Jucato, ah ok.. I just need to find a kile user really |
| 14:12.05 | lesshaste | seria-mau, really? |
| 14:12.09 | lesshaste | seria-mau, on jaunty? |
| 14:12.13 | annma | gimpuzmani: precise for what magazine/.. the interview is |
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| 14:12.21 | Half-Left | :p |
| 14:12.24 | seria-mau | lesshaste: no, on debian. kile 2.1 beta1 compiled for kde 4.3 rc1 |
| 14:12.40 | lesshaste | seria-mau, sounds very similar...did you ask in #debian? |
| 14:12.52 | lesshaste | they won't answer ubuntu questions :) |
| 14:13.02 | darthanubis | not at ALL |
| 14:13.07 | gimpuzmani | annma, for tuskish e-magazine |
| 14:13.12 | pvandewynKandle | i had a similar problem on Kubuntu, i remember installing some more tex packages and suddenly it worked |
| 14:13.14 | seria-mau | lesshaste: no, because the debian package of kile 2.1b1 works fine with the kde 4.2.4 from debian |
| 14:13.17 | gimpuzmani | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.30 | seria-mau | pvandewynKandle: that's not the problem here |
| 14:13.33 | lesshaste | seria-mau, ah.. well I am actually in gnome :) |
| 14:13.35 | annma | gimpuzmani: OK the KDE Promo mailing list is the best |
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| 14:13.46 | gimpuzmani | thanks |
| 14:13.58 | gimpuzmani | annma, Thanks |
| 14:14.03 | lesshaste | seria-mau, kile 2.0.81 with kde libs 4.2.2 |
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| 14:14.19 | gimpuzmani | I will send question to mailing list |
| 14:14.23 | spirov92 | what is the current version of konversation? |
| 14:15.09 | darthanubis | Version 1.2-alpha2 |
| 14:15.16 | darthanubis | Using KDE 4.2.95 (KDE 4.2.95 (KDE 4.3 RC1)) |
| 14:15.25 | pinotree | 1.2alpha4 |
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| 14:15.37 | judgen | Hmm what is a spacer called in swedish =P |
| 14:15.43 | darthanubis | I don't have alpha4? |
| 14:15.47 | darthanubis | :( |
| 14:15.52 | spirov92 | yes, I see alpha 4 too |
| 14:16.07 | spirov92 | in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Playground/openSUSE_11.1_KDE_42 |
| 14:16.09 | darthanubis | oh well |
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| 14:16.34 | darthanubis | not using opensuse |
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| 14:16.45 | seria-mau | lesshaste: 2.0.82 |
| 14:16.51 | spirov92 | but is there a stable version, compatible with 4.3rc1? |
| 14:17.00 | lesshaste | seria-mau, all sounds very similar |
| 14:17.08 | seria-mau | lesshaste: maybe there are some issues with 4.3, because it works with 4.2.x |
| 14:17.21 | darthanubis | my konversation is VERY stable |
| 14:17.27 | lesshaste | seria-mau, not for me |
| 14:17.30 | lesshaste | seria-mau, I am on 4.2.2 |
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| 14:22.14 | annma | has to go to the airport |
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| 14:25.22 | judgen | How do i hide the .desktop extension= |
| 14:25.23 | judgen | ? |
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| 14:28.18 | MinceR | sounds like a bad idea to me |
| 14:28.23 | MinceR | sadly, nautilus does it |
| 14:28.30 | MinceR | (hm, maybe it can be configured not to) |
| 14:28.41 | judgen | MinceR: i just want it in one folder... the desktop. |
| 14:29.09 | MinceR | it would be sane that way -- as long as you control what gets its extension hidden |
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| 14:33.35 | bsm | hi, since the upgrade to kde 4.3 beta plasma-desktop is causing ~150wakeups/sec on powertop and 10% cpu load all the time, is this "normal"? |
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| 14:37.16 | seria-mau | are these dupes? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198338 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1991661 |
| 14:37.44 | Half-Left | bsm: Nope but you're better off not using the beta now and use RC1. |
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| 14:38.04 | seria-mau | * https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199166 |
| 14:39.03 | Half-Left | I'm sure they'll get around to looking at them |
| 14:39.26 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: They are very, very similar, at least |
| 14:40.09 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: I'll mark it as a dupe. |
| 14:40.47 | SSJ_GZ | Well spotted :) |
| 14:43.02 | seria-mau | btw, there's a commit mentioned in the comments, but how can i patch my rc1 sources with it? |
| 14:43.24 | judgen | Ok one last question: When i run synaptic as root, it does not use the kde style i have chosen. but rather plastik. |
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| 14:43.47 | seria-mau | judgen: isn't synaptic a gtk+ application? |
| 14:44.01 | judgen | seria-mau: yes but i use the translator to QT |
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| 14:44.40 | judgen | well i figured it out... i have to use the qtconfig-qt4 |
| 14:44.55 | judgen | Now everything is gorgeous =) |
| 14:44.56 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: In my personal opinion, if you're comfortable with compiling, you may as well compile from SVN (branches/4.3) |
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| 14:45.40 | SSJ_GZ | That way, you don't have to manually cherry-pick and merge in patches for RC1 bugs |
| 14:45.53 | seria-mau | ok |
| 14:46.12 | seria-mau | can i use kdesvn-build to automate it? |
| 14:46.39 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: Probably - I've never used it myself, though :) |
| 14:46.47 | seria-mau | last time i tried to compile a tag(!) i failed, but you mentioned a branch, so i guess it's okay |
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| 14:47.35 | seria-mau | hmm, well. let's do it and use this computers spare cycles for sth useful |
| 14:47.52 | SSJ_GZ | That's the spirit :) |
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| 14:52.11 | Bluefalcon09 | hello |
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| 14:54.00 | true | hey all, interesting problem... dell precision m4400, RGB LED backlit display. after a day or so of power on time, backlight adjustments don't work from the power applet and when the screen is set to power managed, it goes full white instead of turning off. when trying to adjust brightness with the applet, there is a delay and no adjustment, and the fn keys on the keyboard don't work either. Only way to fix is not only to reboot, but to pull all power and batter |
| 14:54.20 | true | I think it is a kernel interface problem but have really no idea where to go from this - I upgraded to KDE4 at the same time I upgraded to this notebook |
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| 14:55.05 | true | so don't know if it is KDE4's backlight interface or a kernel problem, no idea at all how to debug |
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| 14:55.39 | true | problem does not occur in windows, tested for days with no problems, but I don't use windows :) |
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| 14:56.04 | seria-mau | SSJ_GZ: kdesupport is only in trunk? |
| 14:56.05 | madsdyd | Hi there |
| 14:56.21 | SSJ_GZ | true: Maybe try it in GNOME, to see if it works there? If so, it's probably not a kernel problem. |
| 14:56.25 | madsdyd | Anyone know if one can disable the krunner "expansion", when it finds a hit? It is amazingly slow on my machine... |
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| 14:56.48 | madsdyd | kde 4.2.2 btq |
| 14:56.51 | madsdyd | btw |
| 14:56.52 | true | SSJ_GZ: I do not use gnome, I was hoping there was something speicfically re: logs or debug info with the applet and / or kernel |
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| 14:57.19 | true | SSJ_GZ: for instance, how the backlight is adjusted and interfaced with, it doesn't use the standard backlight interface |
| 14:57.23 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: I'm not sure. Maybe try the trunk version and see if it works. |
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| 14:57.43 | SSJ_GZ | true: I don't really have any other ideas besides that :/ |
| 14:58.33 | true | SSJ_GZ: only other thing I can think of is removing dell support or dell backlight control stuff from kernel and trying that, and if it works then it still doesn't tell me if it is a KDE problem or kernel problem but it'd tell me it isn't a hardware problem (which I know it isn't already as it doesn't happen in non-linux environment) :/ |
| 14:58.49 | SSJ_GZ | :/ |
| 14:59.42 | true | mostly the same notebook as the latitude e6500 which is much cheaper, but doesn't have RGBLED display (I have one of those too by chance, plan to install gentoo+kde4 on it this week, will see if the problem exists with that display) |
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| 15:00.19 | true | so no ideas for debug? alright :/ I'll ask again in a few hours |
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| 15:00.43 | true | (don't think I could survive gnome for a few days without /wrists tbh) |
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| 15:02.34 | daum | what does everyone use for mail management I currently use kmail, but with 52k emails in my inbox, whenever i click off to sent mail or anything and back to inbox the program just freezes for a good 30 seconds while it loads it up, any suggestions to fix this? |
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| 15:03.27 | Ratfink | excuse me, how do I make konsole beep using the system bell? |
| 15:03.55 | daum | Ratfink, settings->bell_>system bell? |
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| 15:04.53 | Ratfink | in konsole's menus? I see no bell menu in settings. |
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| 15:06.32 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 15:07.21 | johnfg | how do I get my bookmarks tab back on the left side of KRDC? I closed it so I'd have more room, without going full screen, but now I can't figure out how to get it back. |
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| 15:10.04 | true | johnfg: hold on |
| 15:10.21 | true | johnfg: settings->remote desktops |
| 15:10.23 | johnfg | true, OK |
| 15:10.38 | true | johnfg: it isn't very intuitive, it should say "remote desktops sidebar" or something better |
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| 15:11.30 | true | but it can be detached / moved so I guess it isn't always a sidebar :) |
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| 15:12.48 | seto | when I try to cmakekde kpimutils (in kpimlibs) |
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| 15:24.45 | judgen | Anyone know why kgeography seems to be so buggy? |
| 15:24.49 | judgen | Or is it just me? |
| 15:26.57 | lesshaste | it has spain in the middle east? |
| 15:27.11 | w00ter | spain in the middle east hahaha |
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| 15:27.39 | lesshaste | :) |
| 15:28.36 | w00ter | It might be buggy never used it before. What I'd like to know is how to install the 64bit version of Flash tar gunzip on sabayon |
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| 15:28.50 | w00ter | terminal somehow. |
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| 15:31.26 | Half-Left | w00ter: drop the .so file into ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 16:42.17 | seria-mau | is akonadi 1.2 okay for the kde 4.3 branch? |
| 16:42.23 | seria-mau | or do i need a more recent one |
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| 16:49.30 | rdieter | seria-mau: nm, 1.2 is it |
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| 16:52.06 | seria-mau | rdieter: thanks |
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| 16:57.14 | seria-mau | XD |
| 16:57.29 | seria-mau | ./kdepimlibs/akonadi/session.cpp:68: warning: unused parameter âerrorâ |
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| 17:02.24 | true | hey all, interesting problem... dell precision m4400, RGB LED backlit display. after a day or so of power on time, backlight adjustments don't work from the power applet and when the screen is set to power managed, it goes full white instead of turning off. when trying to adjust brightness with the applet, there is a delay and no adjustment, and the fn keys on the keyboard don't work either. Only way to fix is not only to reboot, but to pull all power and batter |
| 17:02.30 | true | hey all, interesting problem... dell precision m4400, RGB LED backlit display. after a day or so of power on time, backlight adjustments don't work from the power applet and when the screen is set to power managed, it goes full white instead of turning off. when trying to adjust brightness with the applet, there is a delay and no adjustment, and the fn keys on the keyboard don't work either. Only way to fix is not only to reboot, but to pull all power and batter |
| 17:02.36 | true | I think it is a kernel interface problem but have really no idea where to go from this - I upgraded to KDE4 at the same time I upgraded to this notebook |
| 17:02.39 | true | so don't know if it is KDE4's backlight interface or a kernel problem, no idea at all how to debug |
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| 17:02.44 | true | problem does not occur in windows, tested for days with no problems, but I don't use windows :) |
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| 17:22.10 | nascentmind | hi. When i start amarok and i try to use youtube the sound stops working. why is that? |
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| 17:22.31 | Tanktalus | pinotree: thanks for the chm fix - seems to be working here great now :-) |
| 17:22.57 | pinotree | np |
| 17:23.57 | Tanktalus | I'm going to have to install KDE 4.3 on my windows laptop now - because windows can't read the same chm file :-) |
| 17:24.03 | Half-Left | nascentmind: Are you using Pulse Audio? |
| 17:24.10 | nascentmind | Half-Left, yes |
| 17:24.22 | nascentmind | Half-Left, isn't it standard on jaunty? |
| 17:24.29 | Half-Left | That's possibility your issue then |
| 17:26.29 | nascentmind | Half-Left, any hopes for a fix? |
| 17:26.41 | Half-Left | Fix how? |
| 17:26.46 | Half-Left | Amarok2? |
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| 17:28.04 | nascentmind | no pulseaudio. |
| 17:28.15 | nascentmind | why can't 2 applications share sound? |
| 17:28.25 | Half-Left | they can, phonon does |
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| 17:29.02 | Half-Left | But distros use PA as default for KDE4.2+ |
| 17:29.21 | Half-Left | Which can cause issues |
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| 17:30.27 | Half-Left | PA is optional in KDE4.2+ not default |
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| 17:31.14 | nascentmind | Half-Left, so how do i use phonon? |
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| 17:32.30 | Half-Left | nascentmind: Amarok2 uses Phonon but Phonon has backends like Xine and or PA |
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| 17:32.58 | Half-Left | nascentmind: So make phonon use xine and not PA if it doesn't |
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| 17:34.26 | nascentmind | oh k. so phonon is on top of pa or xine. isn't xine old tech? |
| 17:35.04 | nascentmind | pa accesses the hardware directly right? or is it alsa? |
| 17:35.47 | Half-Left | Phonon just uses backends like xine, gstreamer, KDe apps use phonon without the worries of wich engine to use |
| 17:35.59 | Half-Left | which* |
| 17:36.33 | nascentmind | Half-Left, so the abstraction is alsa->xine or gstreamer or pulseaudio -> phonon? |
| 17:36.58 | Half-Left | something like that way |
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| 17:37.57 | Half-Left | it cuts out the crap of having to write different backends for your app, it will use the one that is set by phonon(which you can change) |
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| 17:40.17 | Half-Left | So there is no, erm, shall I get my app to use xine, gstreamer, PA? |
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| 17:41.36 | nascentmind | so now PA is the buggy part? |
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| 17:43.22 | Half-Left | it's possibly some blocking somewhere, I and other people switch from PA and don't have issues |
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| 17:44.10 | Half-Left | I use xine and people come in here asking the same question, just use the xine backend and it's fine |
| 17:45.17 | pano | I can confirm that: I use plain ALSA (read no PA at all) with Phonon and xine and *everything* works without problems |
| 17:45.19 | Tanktalus | is there likely to be another snapshot of 4.3 prior to release? |
| 17:46.06 | Half-Left | I have utube and Amarok2 playing at the same time right now |
| 17:46.32 | nascentmind | Half-Left, when i go to system settings and check the backend tab only xine is shown |
| 17:46.51 | Tanktalus | Half-Left: can you get amarok2 to change global shortcuts? :-P |
| 17:47.18 | Half-Left | Tanktalus: Ask #amarok :) |
| 17:48.14 | Tanktalus | Half-Left: :-P The reason I ask here is because the same copy of Amarok 2.1.1 works with KDE 4.2, but doesn't with KDE 4.2.9* :-/ |
| 17:48.16 | Half-Left | nascentmind: Right but what does device preferences say, the top device? |
| 17:48.43 | Tanktalus | I change versions of KDE, and it breaks. That seems to imply to my little mind that the thing that changed is what caused the breakage :-P |
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| 17:49.06 | Half-Left | Break how? |
| 17:49.14 | Half-Left | Shortcuts? |
| 17:49.31 | Tanktalus | bug 192712 |
| 17:49.36 | Tanktalus | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192712 |
| 17:49.42 | nascentmind | Half-Left, device output you mean? |
| 17:49.55 | Half-Left | yes |
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| 17:50.31 | Half-Left | Tanktalus: No idea, I don't use them much myself |
| 17:51.08 | nascentmind | HDA Intel analog, digital,HDMI,Pulseaudio |
| 17:51.32 | Half-Left | And is their a option for with no PA in it? |
| 17:51.41 | Half-Left | there* |
| 17:52.13 | Half-Left | It should be just the device name |
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| 17:54.45 | Half-Left | The device output will have a PA version like you have and just a device name version. If you're using the top one which is PA then that's the possible issue |
| 17:56.59 | Half-Left | And also kill any PA process like the actual PA one |
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| 17:57.28 | Half-Left | nascentmind: So make HDA Intel analog the top one |
| 17:58.04 | nascentmind | Half-Left, it is the top one |
| 17:58.33 | Half-Left | And for all of the other audio outputs? |
| 17:59.28 | nascentmind | Half-Left, yes |
| 17:59.42 | Half-Left | Is PA running in your process? |
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| 18:00.41 | Half-Left | nascentmind: So run " Test" while playing Amarok and see if the sound plays from that Test |
| 18:00.58 | nascentmind | Half-Left, 3795 ? 00:00:00 pulseaudio |
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| 18:01.03 | Half-Left | yep |
| 18:01.24 | Half-Left | kill it |
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| 18:03.01 | nascentmind | Half-Left, ah i can heard the sound when i test it. |
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| 18:03.11 | nascentmind | that is running amarok and testing. |
| 18:03.30 | nascentmind | strange because sometimes pidgin sound or youtube does not play at all |
| 18:03.38 | nascentmind | lemme kill pulseaudio now |
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| 18:04.49 | nascentmind | ok i killed PA and tested the same way and it still works. |
| 18:04.53 | Half-Left | So that proves that two sounds can play easy because Amarok2 and test work |
| 18:05.13 | Half-Left | utube should work as well |
| 18:05.39 | nascentmind | no youtube doesn't work |
| 18:05.57 | Half-Left | restart your browser? |
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| 18:06.32 | nascentmind | the only way to make it work is quit amarok and close the youtube tab and play it again |
| 18:07.59 | Half-Left | Well it should work and their is not reason why it shouldn't unless something else on your distro is blocking it |
| 18:08.08 | Half-Left | no* |
| 18:08.35 | Half-Left | What is it with me and their/there today :p |
| 18:09.06 | nascentmind | Half-Left, now i cannot play any sound in youtube. |
| 18:10.20 | Half-Left | So you're in KDE4.x using Amarok2 with what browser? |
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| 18:10.47 | nascentmind | Half-Left, firefox |
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| 18:11.21 | Half-Left | Can you hear any sound from your browser? |
| 18:11.25 | nascentmind | when i start PA it says PA configured for per-user sessions |
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| 18:11.39 | nascentmind | Half-Left, well the only way i can play sound is using flash. |
| 18:12.31 | Half-Left | All I can say is that it should work, you don't need PA for flash unless your distro has linked it somehow |
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| 18:12.58 | nascentmind | what does flash use as backend? |
| 18:13.27 | Half-Left | I think it just uses Alsa |
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| 18:13.50 | nascentmind | :) |
| 18:15.36 | Half-Left | nascentmind: Try Konqueror just for troubleshooting |
| 18:16.21 | Half-Left | Make sure PA is not running |
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| 18:18.09 | nascentmind | Konqueror sound works now. |
| 18:18.14 | nascentmind | amarok doesn |
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| 18:18.42 | Half-Left | So flash in konqueror works but blocks amarok? |
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| 18:18.47 | Half-Left | sound |
| 18:19.10 | nascentmind | yes. |
| 18:19.27 | nascentmind | closed konqueror.. and started of amarok and now amarok works |
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| 18:20.19 | nascentmind | now started konqueror with amarok running and konqueror loses sound |
| 18:20.53 | Half-Left | I think you have some other issue here with your distro maybe |
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| 18:21.53 | nascentmind | and suddenly something called npviewer.bin window comes up |
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| 18:22.25 | Half-Left | Yes, that's the plugin system for konqueror |
| 18:23.21 | Half-Left | (or any KDE webbrowser can use it) |
| 18:23.29 | nascentmind | Half-Left, I had this problem before. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7568441 |
| 18:24.07 | nascentmind | Half-Left, i had this blocking thing for a long time.. but thought it was pulseaudio weirdness. |
| 18:24.37 | Half-Left | The same thing happens in Fedora, which is pulse audio centric |
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| 18:25.55 | nascentmind | Half-Left, if PA is not directly using the hardware why is it so buggy? i can understand hardware driver problems.. but if its an abstraction layer then why oh why? |
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| 18:26.32 | Half-Left | Don't know much about PA |
| 18:27.18 | nascentmind | ok |
| 18:27.22 | Half-Left | I've already told people and reported it to the fedora guys this issue |
| 18:28.08 | Half-Left | I think it fills a gap phonon doesn't do, i.e Microphones and such |
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| 18:29.43 | Half-Left | But in the process doesn't work right but how can you stop PA centric distros from using as default in KDE?, you can't. |
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| 18:30.26 | nascentmind | also on my laptop the network manager if it lists more than 5 access points i think the taskbar crashes. |
| 18:30.41 | nascentmind | how can i take the debug symbols for it? |
| 18:30.49 | Half-Left | What network manager? |
| 18:31.06 | nascentmind | the one which shows your network connections. |
| 18:31.21 | Half-Left | kDe4 doesn't officially have one yet |
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| 18:31.59 | Half-Left | Kubuntu used one that's not ready, which maybe the one you're refering to |
| 18:32.08 | nascentmind | yes |
| 18:32.13 | nascentmind | i am using kubuntu |
| 18:32.37 | Half-Left | Your mileage my vary with that, it's not a official release |
| 18:33.05 | apriori | Half-Left: well, yet it suffers (like all notifing apps) from bad layouting of its component |
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| 18:33.35 | apriori | e.g. making subwindows overlap, therefore you e.g. can't click on some listed wireless lans |
| 18:33.36 | Half-Left | apriori: That network manager? |
| 18:33.39 | apriori | yep |
| 18:33.48 | Half-Left | That's because it's not finished |
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| 18:34.09 | apriori | Half-Left: the layout problem seems more related to the notifier lib of plasma |
| 18:34.22 | Half-Left | Distros put it in their releases and repos, not KDE |
| 18:34.25 | apriori | because file transfers show the same issue. the windows width simply isnt enough |
| 18:34.33 | apriori | yes, sure. |
| 18:35.01 | Half-Left | So yes it has bugs |
| 18:35.23 | baba50 | how to install media player fedora 8 ? Please |
| 18:35.27 | Half-Left | That's why it's in /trunk/playground but you can reprot bugs on it |
| 18:35.35 | Half-Left | report* |
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| 18:37.00 | nascentmind | Half-Left, another bug is when i use copy paste using cntrl-c,cntrl-v in eclipse it doesn't copy some lines. is it a kde problem? |
| 18:37.01 | Half-Left | Ask in #plasma about that network manager |
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| 18:37.33 | baba50 | Please channel for Fedora 8 media player |
| 18:37.34 | Bluefalcon09 | hello |
| 18:38.12 | Half-Left | nascentmind: Well eclipse is not a KDE app, you may wont to run klipper to see if copying text from apps is better |
| 18:38.32 | Half-Left | baba50: #fedora |
| 18:38.50 | baba50 | Good evening Fedora 8 Linux |
| 18:39.21 | Half-Left | we are not Fedora :) |
| 18:39.30 | nascentmind | Half-Left, was klipper removed? doesn't eclipse use kde's clippad? |
| 18:40.04 | Half-Left | Never used eclipse |
| 18:40.10 | Half-Left | IDE right? |
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| 18:41.52 | nascentmind | Half-Left, yes |
| 18:42.17 | Bluefalcon09 | hey i started a channel named #BRAN if anybody wants to join they can |
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| 18:42.59 | muh2000 | hi |
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| 18:44.45 | Half-Left | nascentmind: Klipper runs as default in KDE4 as I remember, if it is captures your copy/paste between apps proper |
| 18:44.55 | Half-Left | see* |
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| 18:47.00 | nascentmind | Half-Left, klipper is running.. how do i check the history? |
| 18:47.48 | Half-Left | Right click it |
| 18:48.10 | Half-Left | Or just click it |
| 18:48.37 | muh2000 | dolphin creates millions of those .directory.lock.* :( |
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| 18:49.48 | Half-Left | Most DEs do not dolphin |
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| 19:05.40 | cumulus007 | Hi, I was wondering if there will ever be a new KDE commit digest |
| 19:05.51 | cumulus007 | the last one is from 22 februari |
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| 19:06.56 | SSJ_GZ | cumulus007: I'm planning to volunteer to help dannya in a few days when I get back home - we'll see how it goes :) |
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| 19:07.23 | cumulus007 | SSJ_GZ: ok, great :-) |
| 19:07.32 | SSJ_GZ | No promises, though :) |
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| 19:21.14 | sredna | is there somewhere i KDE i can mount a CD? and why doesn't solid see it, do i miss something? |
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| 19:23.26 | Half-Left | Device Notifier widget |
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| 19:24.49 | Half-Left | :/ |
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| 19:46.08 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Guys does ANYBODY know where the actually config file(s) are for the right click options like 'cut', 'copy' and 'paste' are or how to modify them? |
| 19:47.05 | pinotree | most probably cut/copy/paste are hardcoded |
| 19:48.07 | pinotree | what are you looking for, exactly? |
| 19:49.16 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: Well big issues here. I'm trying to make "cut" acutally work corectly in Dolphin. It leave the file behind when you use "cut" instead of moving it to the new location |
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| 19:50.03 | pinotree | then what a "config file" would solve? if what you describe is really true, is called "bug" |
| 19:50.11 | Soup-N-Sandwich | The "cut", "copy" and "paste" options are the same exact ones used for Konqueror...so it's part of KDE and not part of the actual file manager...but for some reason in KDE3.5 using |
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| 19:50.20 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Dolphin it doesn't work correctly |
| 19:50.25 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: It would probably be a good idea to make sure noone else is working on that - sounds like one for dfaure. |
| 19:50.45 | pinotree | dolphin in kde 3.5 is unsupported |
| 19:50.54 | SSJ_GZ | Oh, 3.5. |
| 19:51.04 | annma | ;) |
| 19:51.09 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: yes but I fixed MANY "bugs"...this is just another one |
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| 19:51.17 | annma | Soup-N-Sandwich: try in KDE 4 and see how that works |
| 19:51.17 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: yeah 3.5 |
| 19:51.18 | pinotree | ? |
| 19:51.36 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Some one is working on, or has fix this issue with Dolphin in KDE 4 |
| 19:51.40 | Soup-N-Sandwich | but not 3.5 |
| 19:51.52 | pinotree | dolphin in kde 3.5 is no more maintained |
| 19:52.18 | pinotree | and cut/copy/paste should be working correctly in kde4's dolphin |
| 19:52.25 | pusling_ | s/dolphin in // |
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| 19:52.32 | Soup-N-Sandwich | annma: it works fine...but I can't switch to KDE 4 now...3 years invested in this OS's release....I'll work with KDE 4 on our next release |
| 19:52.33 | lenz | hi |
| 19:52.49 | annma | OK good that's it's fine in 4 |
| 19:53.07 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: yep. I know that....that's why I was hoping that somebody had a clue how to resolve this issue |
| 19:53.26 | Soup-N-Sandwich | annma: yeah it works fine in KDE 4 |
| 19:53.37 | pinotree | you only change is taking kde 3.5's dolphin and debugging it on your own |
| 19:54.03 | lenz | I migrated from kde 3.5.10 to 4.2.4 and wonder how to migrate my kaddressbook |
| 19:54.04 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: I'll grab the 3.5 source and have a quick look |
| 19:54.07 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: your saying to use KDE4 in place of KDE 3.5 |
| 19:54.08 | Soup-N-Sandwich | ? |
| 19:54.11 | pinotree | no |
| 19:54.19 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: THANKS!! |
| 19:54.29 | annma | lenz: did you try copying over config files? |
| 19:54.36 | SSJ_GZ | No promises, though! |
| 19:54.44 | pinotree | Soup-N-Sandwich: i'm saying that if you want to solve bugs in the dolphin version for kde 3, you have to fix them on your own |
| 19:54.50 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: Ok thanks..well I really appriciate the effort |
| 19:54.55 | lenz | no, I started the config from scratch because I had major problems with keeping the old files |
| 19:55.06 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: I know...that's why I'm here |
| 19:55.14 | lenz | I have a custom path to my addressbook file |
| 19:55.27 | lenz | but I don't find the option to change the path in kde 4 |
| 19:55.36 | SSJ_GZ | Dolphin::cut() in dolphin.cpp |
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| 19:56.03 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Guys I did add under the "Actions" option in Dolphin a new "cut" options that does work...but the old one is still there in the context menu and doesn't work |
| 19:56.26 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: forgive my ignorance on that ...but what does that mean? |
| 19:57.22 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: That's the code that handles the cut()'ing. Add some debug code to ensure that Dolphin::moveURLs(...) is called during a cut'n'paste. |
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| 19:57.53 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: where does this config file reside? |
| 19:58.07 | SSJ_GZ | If it is being called, then there is something wrong in KIO::move(...) |
| 19:58.19 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: These are source-code files (dolphin.cpp) not config files. |
| 19:59.01 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: I don't have a clue what the hell I'm doing with that stuff. Ok so..can you tell me how I can look at this file? |
| 19:59.57 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Oh, sorry - I thought you were a dev for some reason. |
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| 20:00.42 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: ahhh |
| 20:01.02 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Hmmm ... not really sure what to suggest here. I won't have time to work on this, alas :/ |
| 20:01.05 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: no...just trying to fix this before the release |
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| 20:01.40 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: well can I only get to this file in the source code only? |
| 20:01.49 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Yes. |
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| 20:02.05 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: Ahh figures. |
| 20:02.21 | SSJ_GZ | Yeah, no nice, easy fix for this one, alas :/ |
| 20:02.43 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: so when I right click to see that context menu...is there a way to remove the "cut" option from the menu? |
| 20:03.01 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: No, it's hard-coded. |
| 20:03.07 | Soup-N-Sandwich | AH |
| 20:03.51 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: I honestly don't know what to do on this one. This had been on our list of priorities for about a year. Oh man...this stinks |
| 20:04.40 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: "Our"? Do you have your own distro and if so, are there no C++ devs? |
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| 20:05.12 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: yes our own distro. No...at least not yet |
| 20:05.29 | Tanktalus | any way to tell why the task manager thinks a given icon should be there, when the process went away a long time ago? |
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| 20:07.07 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: do you really know how to resolve this issue? As far as what needs to be done? |
| 20:07.55 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: No, sorry - the snippets above would probably be useful to a dev, though. |
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| 20:08.21 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: oh...is there anybody supported KDE 3.5? |
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| 20:08.30 | SSJ_GZ | Not really :/ |
| 20:09.01 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: any recommendations as to who I could talk to that may beable to resolve this mess? |
| 20:09.39 | cjae | ok since I am getting frustrated with gui apps, anyone know a simple syntax command to get rid (with prompt preferably) of duplicate mp3's it does not need to re cruse |
| 20:09.53 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Not really - KDE3.5 is largely abandoned nowadays - Dolphin doubly-so. If you find a KDE3 distro that *doesn't* have this bug, you could ask them. |
| 20:10.03 | cjae | I have tried fslint and fdupes, they do not really do the job well |
| 20:11.17 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: Ok thanks. It seems all that are using KDE3.5 are using Konqueror for the file manager. Ok well thanks for your time anyway. :) |
| 20:11.32 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: np - sorry I couldn't be of more help. |
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| 20:12.01 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: well you've been about 10 times more help than ANYBODY that I talk to so far on this issue :) |
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| 20:12.23 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe (10 x 0 == ?) ;) |
| 20:12.46 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: hey this can't be resolved by ServicesMenu stuff....could it? |
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| 20:14.07 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Hmmmm ... *conceivably*, I suppose. That would be poorly integrated and likely require at least some coding, though, if it were possible. |
| 20:14.31 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: ok thanks :) |
| 20:14.41 | SSJ_GZ | np |
| 20:14.58 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: oh one more thing |
| 20:15.12 | SSJ_GZ | (Here it comes :)) |
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| 20:16.33 | cjae | opps wrong channel sorry |
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| 20:17.14 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: do you, or anybody have a clue why sometimes some apps..well not apps but some "things"...like the installer window..or on screen volumn display sometime shows a color not in the default color theme that I'm using?...like this OS uses all earth tones...yet it's getting this blue color from somewhere...but it's not in my color theme that is selected. Is there some other place that KDE pulls it's colors from as a default? |
| 20:18.07 | SSJ_GZ | Does the installer run as root? |
| 20:18.50 | SSJ_GZ | The OSD shouldn't be - maybe it naugtily hard-codes some values or something. |
| 20:18.58 | Soup-N-Sandwich | ssl yes it does...but the on screen volumne doesn't...yet every once in a while it shows up with a blue progress bar and not green/brown |
| 20:19.25 | SSJ_GZ | Only every once in a while? |
| 20:19.38 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: oh but when the OSD is blue and I open the app that controls it...it turns back to the correct colors |
| 20:20.28 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: ugh - no idea on the OSD. The fact that the installer runs as root means it's probably drawing settings from the root user, though. |
| 20:20.35 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: yeah...not every time..weird..the thing is...where it it getting this color from? It has to be getting it from someplace |
| 20:20.39 | genewbie | can gimp be used on KDE4.2? i'm using krita, but i have too many errors with it. |
| 20:20.47 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: A mystery :) |
| 20:20.52 | SSJ_GZ | genewbie: Yep :) |
| 20:21.03 | genewbie | awesome! i love gimp, it's much better. |
| 20:21.05 | genewbie | SSJ_GZ, thanks. |
| 20:21.13 | SSJ_GZ | np |
| 20:21.15 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: KDE has lots of those :) |
| 20:21.23 | SSJ_GZ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Yep :) |
| 20:21.27 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: lots") |
| 20:21.30 | SSJ_GZ | It moves in mysterious ways ... :) |
| 20:21.37 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: yeppers |
| 20:22.54 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: well thanks again. By the way the OSD is from Keytouch...if I just use the OSD after boot it's blue...but when I run the keytouch for just a second and close it....the OSD is the correct color...WHAT EVER |
| 20:23.11 | SSJ_GZ | Lunacy! |
| 20:23.48 | Soup-N-Sandwich | SSJ_GZ: yeah...it drives us nuts |
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| 20:28.56 | locsmif | Hi all. Scrolling is not going too well since KDE 4 |
| 20:29.47 | locsmif | Applications like Okular and Konqueror scroll abnormally jerky and slow, but QT3 apps like Kpdf ang GTK apps like Evince work just fine |
| 20:30.05 | locsmif | Desktop Effects is off |
| 20:30.06 | pinotree | feels a deva-ju |
| 20:30.22 | locsmif | pinotree, ;-) Well it wasn't Okular's fault |
| 20:30.27 | locsmif | and isn't.. |
| 20:31.22 | SSJ_GZ | locsmif: What graphics card and driver version? |
| 20:31.47 | locsmif | ATI RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] X.Org 1.6.1.901 [ 1400x1050@61.8hz ] |
| 20:32.00 | locsmif | GLX Renderer Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 4x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL | GLX Version 1.3 Mesa 7.4.4 |
| 20:32.31 | SSJ_GZ | locsmif: And what KDE and Qt version? |
| 20:32.35 | SSJ_GZ | (kde4-config -v) |
| 20:32.47 | locsmif | KDE: 3.5.10 |
| 20:32.52 | locsmif | Qt: 3.3.8b |
| 20:33.00 | locsmif | err |
| 20:33.03 | locsmif | sorry |
| 20:33.04 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe |
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| 20:33.22 | locsmif | KDE: 4.2.4 (KDE 4.2.4) / Qt: 4.5.1 |
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| 20:34.39 | SSJ_GZ | locsmif: Try launching okular with the flags -graphicssystem raster and see if it makes a difference |
| 20:34.47 | locsmif | SSJ_GZ, ok |
| 20:34.51 | SSJ_GZ | (Otherwise, I'm out of ideas :/) |
| 20:35.22 | locsmif | SSJ_GZ, that *absolutely* made a difference |
| 20:35.28 | SSJ_GZ | Whee |
| 20:35.43 | locsmif | Like night and day |
| 20:35.48 | locsmif | What is going on? |
| 20:36.17 | locsmif | Did I screw up my configuration at some point ? ;-) |
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| 20:36.45 | SSJ_GZ | locsmif: I don't really know the technical details, but the "raster" graphics drawing system kind of side-steps X as much as it can. |
| 20:37.23 | SSJ_GZ | Whether "X sucks" or "Qt sucks under X" or "ATI sucks" or whatever is the case, I'm not qualified to judge ;) |
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| 20:38.11 | SSJ_GZ | I don't think there's a way of switching this on globally: I asked thiago if there was an environment variable for this, and he said "no" and that there wouldn't be :/ |
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| 20:38.56 | locsmif | SSJ_GZ, ok |
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| 20:41.16 | locsmif | SSJ_GZ, thanks already though, for this great hint |
| 20:41.24 | SSJ_GZ | np |
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| 20:51.20 | locsmif | SSJ_GZ, regenerating xorg.conf resolved the problem |
| 20:51.32 | SSJ_GZ | locsmif: Oh, great :) |
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| 20:52.38 | pinotree | locsmif: ah, cool |
| 20:53.01 | SSJ_GZ | Eh, good |
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| 20:54.13 | locsmif | pinotree, I did meddle with some stuff in there, so I guess the minimal config helped |
| 20:54.47 | pinotree | the times where you need to fill the xorg.conf with all of the necessary stuff are slowly fading :) |
| 20:55.19 | pinotree | xorg can even start without an xorg.conf, which was science fiction like up to 3 years ago |
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| 21:00.35 | locsmif | pinotree, yeah, I'm aware of the increased automatic detection capabilities, that's kinda cool |
| 21:00.46 | locsmif | The days of long modelists seem to be over |
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| 21:00.54 | locsmif | modelines* |
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| 21:01.24 | pinotree | locsmif: so, is your okular fast enough now? ;) |
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| 21:01.52 | locsmif | pinotree, sure, but it really was a system wide problem, as you helped me realize ;-) |
| 21:01.56 | spiroo | Help, I want plasma back in my kde. RC, how to do? |
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| 21:02.04 | spiroo | version 4.3 |
| 21:02.09 | pinotree | spiroo: alt+f2, "plasma-desktop" |
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| 21:02.46 | spiroo | pinotree: Plasma Workspace closed unexpectedly :D |
| 21:02.57 | spiroo | pinotree: Same error while I am logging in. |
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| 21:04.31 | spiroo | pinotree: Is there any solutions? |
| 21:04.38 | pinotree | don't think so |
| 21:04.48 | spiroo | pinotree: At all? :O |
| 21:05.01 | pinotree | you might want to try asking in #plasma |
| 21:05.38 | spiroo | pinotree: Seriously that EXTREMELY sucks. I know that kde is developing for free and all, but release RC which does not work at all, that sucks. |
| 21:05.51 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: It works for plenty of people. |
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| 21:06.23 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Well, not me. I even tried to recompile and use source version from svn. |
| 21:06.26 | pinotree | well, nobody forces you either to use potential unstable software |
| 21:06.38 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Just because you run into a bug, doesn't mean everyone else does. You might even be the only one :) |
| 21:06.39 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I also removed ~/.kde nothing helps |
| 21:07.02 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Alright, well, sorry. How do I solve the problem? |
| 21:07.19 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Hang on ... pondering now. |
| 21:08.05 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Sorry for my english, but what does pondering mean? |
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| 21:08.21 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: "Think about" |
| 21:08.37 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: In konsole, try the following: |
| 21:09.02 | SSJ_GZ | gdb --args plasma-desktop --nofork |
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| 21:09.41 | SSJ_GZ | Then type "run" |
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| 21:12.15 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I have another problem before that :D Cannot exec /bin/bash:/bin:/bin/sh:/home/kde-devel: No such file or directory. |
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| 21:12.28 | SSJ_GZ | Er |
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| 21:12.52 | SSJ_GZ | Have you modified your .bashrc? |
| 21:13.25 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Yes, well not the one I am on now. But I think the problem is /etc/passwd |
| 21:13.31 | Prune | how can I save my text document straight up to my ftp server? |
| 21:13.43 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Something's pretty screwed somewhere :) |
| 21:14.31 | SSJ_GZ | Prune: Is the file already on your server? |
| 21:14.50 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Yes, probalby. Please, I DONT wanna install kubuntu from scracth again. I have a lot of settings I do not wanna do again, and that is not only inside /home |
| 21:15.37 | Prune | it can be. I maintain many text files on my ftp server; but it can be a document I just created and want to save up, giving it a name, or one I just downloaded from ftp server and just altered and want to save up to overwrite the old one. |
| 21:15.53 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Until you clear that problem up, I can't be of much use :/ I doubt it will require a re-install, though. |
| 21:16.00 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Here would be nice with a big fat resetbutton :D |
| 21:16.20 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: How do I know if it is my bachrc file? |
| 21:16.20 | SSJ_GZ | Prune: Ok, you should be able to just navigate to your ftp server from the file open/ save dialog. |
| 21:16.43 | Prune | darn, I've tried, how do I do that? I was looking for a network button or something. |
| 21:16.44 | SSJ_GZ | Prune: ftp://<username>@<hostname>:<port> |
| 21:17.40 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Well, /etc/password sounds more likely to me (i suppose). Are there are line-breaks in there that shouldn't be? What do you use to edit it? |
| 21:18.52 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Yes, well I use nano for instance in konsole |
| 21:19.08 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: nano loooves inserting line-breaks :) |
| 21:19.41 | Prune | ummmm....wow I need to catch up here....from within Konqueror, I often open up that same ftp server. But however would I do that from inside Kate? |
| 21:20.06 | Prune | the file save dialog box does ask if I want to configure "a network folder", but when I do, I get error message: |
| 21:20.10 | SSJ_GZ | Prune: From the dialog that appears in File -> Open |
| 21:20.19 | SSJ_GZ | Prune: Just enter the URL directly :) |
| 21:20.29 | Prune | Not from the Save As....dialog box.....ok, will try as you instruct |
| 21:20.33 | Prune | brb |
| 21:21.08 | Half-Left | SSJ_GZ: Yeah, it's really fun if you use it to edit your grub.config line with the UUID number :p |
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| 21:21.30 | tapas | hi, |
| 21:21.31 | SSJ_GZ | Half-Left: Hehe - nano has caused me many pains in the a**e :) |
| 21:21.47 | tapas | is there a way to make okular not pause for a quarter second when changing slides in presentation mode? |
| 21:21.52 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Is it possible to relogin inside temrinal. I neeed to do it to realod passwd |
| 21:21.54 | Half-Left | SSJ_GZ: You get a nice string unknown error on boot up :p |
| 21:22.25 | pinotree | tapas: the "quarter of second" most probably is the time needed for generating the slide for the next page |
| 21:22.26 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: I'm not sure - I think I tried that before and couldn't get it to work :/ bash -l might do the trick. |
| 21:22.33 | SSJ_GZ | Half-Left: Nice :) |
| 21:22.40 | tapas | pinotree: nah, scrolling through it in normal view goes _mucho_ faster |
| 21:22.47 | tapas | pinotree: and by now everything is cached |
| 21:23.07 | pinotree | tapas: sure, because the generation when scrolling is done asynchronously by default |
| 21:23.19 | tapas | this behaviour persists since kpdf |
| 21:23.21 | pinotree | and there are more cached pages for the pageview than for the presentation mode |
| 21:23.25 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I got back my bash anyway :D |
| 21:23.33 | SSJ_GZ | Goody :) |
| 21:23.56 | Half-Left | Erm, infact it doesn't boot at all lol |
| 21:23.57 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Ah no, I restart kdm instead. Damn it |
| 21:23.57 | tapas | pinotree: no, everything is cached now, so the normal view when i hit pagedown it's there "immediately" |
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| 21:24.19 | pinotree | tapas: no, there are caches for the various places |
| 21:24.31 | pinotree | is the okular maintainer, so knows how things work |
| 21:24.45 | tapas | pinotree: well, then the one for the "presentation" does not work correctly.. |
| 21:25.12 | pinotree | sure it does work; what is your memory setting in the configuration? |
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| 21:25.22 | tapas | i have set it to maximum aggressiveness with memory. the document is like 5 pages.. |
| 21:25.48 | tapas | this is a 4GB quadcore amd box :D |
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| 21:26.09 | pinotree | in presentation mode, at most the current, the previous and the next are kept |
| 21:26.12 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Okay, now. Could you give me the gdb command again? |
| 21:26.15 | tapas | pinotree: this is ubuntu btw.. |
| 21:26.23 | SSJ_GZ | gdb --args plasma-desktop --nofork |
| 21:26.28 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: ^ |
| 21:26.38 | tapas | pinotree: hmm, maybe try it yourself just to make sure.. uploading doc... |
| 21:26.41 | SSJ_GZ | Then type "run" |
| 21:26.59 | tapas | http://tapas.affenbande.org/algo.pdf |
| 21:27.14 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Alright: http://pastebin.ca/1486130 |
| 21:27.30 | pinotree | tapas: keep in mind also the document could be complex-wise to render, so you don't "feel" that when in normal mode (usually async) while you do in presentation mode (sync generation) |
| 21:27.39 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Then do the following: |
| 21:27.43 | SSJ_GZ | set pagination off |
| 21:27.51 | SSJ_GZ | set logging file plasma-crash.txt |
| 21:27.54 | SSJ_GZ | set logging on |
| 21:27.56 | SSJ_GZ | bt |
| 21:27.59 | SSJ_GZ | quit |
| 21:28.08 | SSJ_GZ | And pastebin the plasma-crash.txt |
| 21:28.11 | tapas | pinotree: hmm, you are right about the next page or so.. |
| 21:28.22 | tapas | pinotree: is there a way to make it even more memory-aggressive? |
| 21:28.23 | Prune | I can't complete the ftp connection at this time; ftp server not opening even from within application I always use. Never had this problem until right now. will try a bit later. thanks for help so far. |
| 21:28.32 | tapas | i don't mind wasting a gig or two on images ;) |
| 21:28.35 | pinotree | tapas: also, other than rendering the whole page, there's the physical repaint of the whole screen area |
| 21:28.37 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Command that in konsole or gdb? |
| 21:28.38 | SSJ_GZ | Prune: np |
| 21:28.43 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: gdb |
| 21:28.57 | pinotree | tapas: and that may take time as well |
| 21:29.24 | tapas | pinotree: hmm, yeah.. the time is quite variable though.. next page is _quite_ fast when it has sat for a while |
| 21:30.22 | pinotree | the lower time is alwyas the whole screen repaint, in the case there's the page for presentation mode already available in cache |
| 21:30.24 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: http://pastebin.ca/1486137 |
| 21:30.43 | tapas | pinotree: yeah.. |
| 21:30.56 | tapas | pinotree: so is there anyway to make it cache more pages in presentation mode? |
| 21:31.00 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Are those $'s in the plasma-crash.txt? |
| 21:31.34 | pinotree | more than the +/-1 range in aggressive mode? only by changing it |
| 21:31.47 | tapas | pinotree: :) how? |
| 21:31.48 | pinotree | it isn't a huge issue, just have to think if it's worth it |
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| 21:31.59 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: It is #, but yes |
| 21:32.01 | tapas | ah change as in hack the source :) |
| 21:32.06 | pinotree | yeah |
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| 21:32.24 | tapas | pinotree: well, this has been annoying me for quite a while.. dunno how much that weighs in |
| 21:32.33 | tapas | if i didn't have to prepare a lecture for tomorrow |
| 21:32.38 | bline | how do I get Konsole to open with a certain geometry instead of the last geometry I had it at? |
| 21:32.39 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Can you use kwrite to open plasma-crash.txt and do the pastebin? |
| 21:32.40 | tapas | i would look into it myself.. ;) |
| 21:32.44 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Sorry for asking, but why are we doing this? |
| 21:32.44 | tapas | well maybe tomorrow evening |
| 21:33.05 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: If there's a crash, we need the backtrace to file a useful bug report. |
| 21:33.31 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: I'm assuming here that DrKonqui hasn't shown up - if so, just use that instead ;) |
| 21:33.36 | SSJ_GZ | *If it has |
| 21:34.08 | tapas | pinotree: ok, i know where i can catch you again ;) |
| 21:34.11 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I GOT EXACTLY the same output with kwrite |
| 21:34.25 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: With the $'s? |
| 21:34.31 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Yes? |
| 21:34.46 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Still arent $, it is # |
| 21:34.47 | draugdel | bline: left click on konsole icon in the top left -> advanced -> special window setting |
| 21:34.57 | bline | draugdel: doesn't work |
| 21:35.19 | SSJ_GZ | Er |
| 21:35.21 | bline | I've tried a bunch of combinations of things in that advanced settings part |
| 21:35.30 | bline | konsole just overrides all that |
| 21:35.45 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: The #'s are fine. |
| 21:35.56 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Isnt there anyway to fix this right away? |
| 21:36.17 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: If you've cleared out your config files, then I doubt it. |
| 21:36.28 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I want my plasma panel and lacelot back :D |
| 21:36.49 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: So the first line ends with "graphicsview/qgraphicslayoutit" and nothing after that? |
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| 21:37.11 | draugdel | bline: works for me. which version are you using? |
| 21:37.21 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: graphicsview/qgraphicslayoutitem.cpp:663 |
| 21:37.23 | bline | of konsole? |
| 21:37.38 | draugdel | no, kde |
| 21:37.57 | bline | Qt: 4.5.0 KDE: 4.2.2 (KDE 4.2.2) Konsole: 2.2.2 |
| 21:38.00 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: That's not what was in your pastebin :) |
| 21:38.17 | draugdel | ok, i am on 4.3rc1. maybe it got fixed |
| 21:38.25 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: What, hmm I must check again |
| 21:38.29 | draugdel | what settings are you using exactly? |
| 21:39.21 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Haha now I understand what you mean with the $ :D http://pastebin.ca/1486148 look now |
| 21:39.37 | pinotree | tapas: sure, feel free to join #okular if you want |
| 21:39.40 | pinotree | brb |
| 21:39.48 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I thought konsole should do a decent output, but apprerantly not. And yes I used kwrite |
| 21:40.05 | bline | window class: konsole (exact match). in Geometry Tab Size is checked, set to Remember and 1114,669 |
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| 21:40.20 | bline | also tried playing with the workaround tab |
| 21:40.27 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Much better! Ok, file a bug report against plasma, let them know you are using KDE4.3.0RC1 with empty configs, and paste that into the body of the bug report. State that it crashes on startup. |
| 21:40.50 | draugdel | ah: remember uses the last setting and not the insert values. use "apply initially" instead |
| 21:40.52 | SSJ_GZ | Also give distro, whether you got it from packages/ compiled yourself, etc. |
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| 21:41.17 | bline | I pulled the class from the detect window button with the "whole application" selected |
| 21:41.19 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Its quite funny to use alt+f2 to open a new app and use konsole for almost everything and then switch windows with alt+shift+tab :D |
| 21:41.27 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe :) |
| 21:41.41 | bline | I triied Apply Initially first, same effect |
| 21:41.47 | bline | which is no effect |
| 21:41.49 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: I dont know how to do a bug report |
| 21:42.05 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: bugs.kde.org - you'll need to apply for an account. |
| 21:42.11 | bline | What does the "Force" one do? |
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| 21:42.31 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: After that, you can just follow the instructions. |
| 21:42.53 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Woah |
| 21:43.04 | bline | oh, force disallows changing it |
| 21:43.08 | bline | that's not really helpful |
| 21:43.11 | bline | for this I mean |
| 21:43.11 | draugdel | forces it to this value so it can´t be changed (for instance: when the ...) |
| 21:43.13 | SSJ_GZ | Precisely 6 minutes ago, someone file this: https://bugs.kde.org/199207 |
| 21:43.35 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: How do you know, kubuntu has that built in and did backtrace for me, same output as with gdb in konsole :D |
| 21:43.41 | draugdel | i have "qt-subapplication konsole" as window class |
| 21:43.45 | bline | I need to change it, I just perfer all my konsoles start at a certain geo no matter what the last one I used was at |
| 21:44.11 | bline | draugdel: It must be matching because "force" worked |
| 21:44.13 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Alright, no need then. |
| 21:44.22 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Hehe - would have been a lot quicker to do it that way - I assumed that the crash handler hadn't appeared :) |
| 21:44.40 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Your backtrace is better quality, but I can add it to the bug report for you if you want. |
| 21:44.46 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Well it appeared, but I did not know I was able to send crash reports thorugh that |
| 21:44.52 | SSJ_GZ | Ah OK |
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| 21:46.49 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Sure, do so. I will send my report also. I am creating an account |
| 21:47.03 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: No need to send your own report, now |
| 21:47.22 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: It would be good to have a bugs.kde.org account for the future, though :) |
| 21:48.20 | draugdel | bline: both size and position works for me, so it really might be an allready fixed bug for 4.3 |
| 21:48.23 | qqqqqqqqq9 | is there a reason, that unlocking the widget doesn't make the panel applets freely movable? |
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| 21:48.31 | crunchie | hi |
| 21:48.38 | crunchie | im lacking the kde package to take screenshots |
| 21:48.51 | bline | draugdel: cool, i'll just wait till it comes to kubuntu and check again |
| 21:48.54 | bline | thx |
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| 21:50.12 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199211 |
| 21:50.17 | draugdel | qqqqqqqqq9: you have to press the breadcrumb on the panel to allow moving. |
| 21:50.22 | bline | I wish I could figure out why konsole exponencially slows down desktop switching and konsole launching the more there are open and maximized |
| 21:50.32 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Alright, well no harm done :D |
| 21:50.44 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Hehe :) |
| 21:50.47 | bline | someone said it had something to do with glyphs but I don't remember what the fix was |
| 21:50.50 | bline | anyone happen to know? |
| 21:50.56 | draugdel | that´s probably because of UI-issues (but i´m taking an out of the blue guess) |
| 21:51.15 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: But this error, I got it when I compile from source to on a separate account. |
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| 21:51.55 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: So, neither source or "stable" RC works :D And qtbindings is buggy also, which means I cannot even install Amarok :'( |
| 21:52.05 | SSJ_GZ | Oh dear. |
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| 21:54.09 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Btw, do you know if it is possible to sudoing your whole computer? I dont want permission denied ANYWHERE on my own computer. |
| 21:54.27 | SSJ_GZ | spiroo: Probably, but I don't know how. |
| 21:54.31 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Permissions on every single folder please. |
| 21:54.55 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Is it possible to set chmod 0777 / on rott folder? :D |
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| 21:55.08 | spiroo | *root |
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| 21:55.17 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe - possible? Yes. Advisable? No :) |
| 21:56.05 | spiroo | SSJ_GZ: Well I guess :D But for instance, I want access to whole /home from all accounts. I want to edit files direclty in dolpgin and so on. |
| 21:56.32 | einar77 | SSJ_GZ: I remember starting up xchat as root in my early Linux days and getting a dialog saying "Running an IRC client as root is STUPID" |
| 21:56.59 | SSJ_GZ | einar77: Haha - if you try to enter #fedora as root, you get (temporarily) banned :) |
| 21:57.30 | einar77 | SSJ_GZ: didn't know that some did that, but it's definitely a good idea |
| 21:57.43 | SSJ_GZ | yup |
| 21:57.52 | spiroo | LOL on this: |
| 21:57.54 | spiroo | Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA. |
| 21:57.55 | spiroo | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main |
| 21:57.57 | spiroo | Note that these packages have a bug which causes X to die during the upgrade. The upgrade will continue and you can reboot when it is done. |
| 21:58.09 | SSJ_GZ | Anyway, I'm knackered - night all! |
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| 22:01.38 | Sho_ | spiroo: ouch @ X death during upgrade ... x_x |
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| 22:17.28 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Guy does Dolphin have an IRC channel? |
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| 22:18.56 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: nope, this is as close als you'll get |
| 22:19.04 | Sho_ | s/als/as/ |
| 22:19.19 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: Oh man :( |
| 22:19.27 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: just ask :) |
| 22:19.33 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: ok |
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| 22:20.53 | hoban | hey all. How do I keep a middle-mouse scroll from switching between workspaces? (kde4) |
| 22:22.49 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Guys...using KDE2.5.10 with Dolphin as the default fie manager. Beside the "cut" option in the context menu not working correctly...what would cause the file manager to not allow different file type to be open by a common application. EX. With any other file manager you can say...select 3 video files but different formats (.avi, .wmv, .mpeg, ) right click and choose "Open with" and they open..but with Dolphin if you select more than on |
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| 22:23.31 | Sho_ | hm the Dolphin in KDE 4 is very different |
| 22:23.43 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: hmmm I'm screwed |
| 22:23.45 | Sho_ | the KDE 3 Dolphin was never part of KDE and had a fairly short lifetime |
| 22:23.57 | Sho_ | and there are probably bugs left in it that were never fixed |
| 22:24.08 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: :( |
| 22:24.09 | Sho_ | as things then moved over to KDE 4 |
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| 22:24.18 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: can't you upgrade to KDE 4? |
| 22:24.53 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: I can't...not unless most or a lot of our 3 years of customization to the OS will be lost. |
| 22:25.21 | Soup-N-Sandwich | THe next version of the OS...yes we will move onto KDE4 |
| 22:25.34 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: ah |
| 22:25.46 | Soup-N-Sandwich | But right now we are sooooo close to releasing this OS...we would have to revamp almost everything |
| 22:25.57 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: There's a fork of KDE 3 Dolphin called "D3lphin" that was spearheaded by Kubuntu I believe, that has additional fixes |
| 22:26.15 | Sho_ | As they used Dolphin in Kubuntu for a while, while the Dolphin developer (Peter Penz) was already busy on KDE 4 Dolphin |
| 22:26.21 | Sho_ | Maybe D3lphin will work better for you |
| 22:26.33 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: yeah..I'm testing it right now...and it has the same two major issues that the normal Dolphin has :( |
| 22:26.42 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: thanks I appriciate the effort |
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| 22:27.35 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Otherwise I'd recommend mailing Peter Penz, maybe he can quickly come up with a fix or something given your situation |
| 22:27.43 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Or posting to the kde-devel mailing list. |
| 22:28.34 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: I see. hmmm Ok how would I contact Peter? |
| 22:28.37 | Sho_ | (If you post to the ML, best make it really clear that KDE 4 is not an option due to your development cycle so you can avoid a lot of replies suggesting to go try KDE 4.) |
| 22:29.01 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: ok thanks |
| 22:29.05 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: I'll give you his mail address in a query, sec |
| 22:29.23 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: Private chat? |
| 22:29.33 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: yep, commonly called a query on IRC |
| 22:29.40 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Ahh ok thanks |
| 22:29.59 | Sho_ | Dunno what client you use, but probably another tab just opened somewhere with the mail address ;) |
| 22:30.41 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: actually...it didn't..using Kopete |
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| 22:30.50 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: I'm lookin' for it |
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| 22:31.17 | pinotree | Sho_: peter does not maintain nor help about kde3's dolphin anymore |
| 22:31.35 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: I see |
| 22:31.41 | pinotree | Soup-N-Sandwich: didn't you ask about dolphin bugs a couple of hours before? |
| 22:31.45 | Soup-N-Sandwich | I'll pay him for this to be resolved |
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| 22:31.58 | Soup-N-Sandwich | pinotree: yes but not this one |
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| 22:32.05 | pinotree | it's the same |
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| 22:32.18 | pinotree | anything related to kde3's dolphin is "you are on your own" |
| 22:32.42 | Sho_ | dunno, I've known Peter as a nice guy and he might understand the situation. |
| 22:32.55 | Sho_ | or at least have some good pointers for how to fix it, since he wrote the code |
| 22:32.59 | pinotree | bugs in bugzilla are refused |
| 22:33.07 | pinotree | (for kde3's dolphin, i mean) |
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| 22:34.15 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: I've just tried to contact you privatly...anything? |
| 22:34.40 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: yes, I saw it and also replied |
| 22:34.53 | Sho_ | (a "yup") |
| 22:35.18 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: I'm not seeing that at all....FIGURES! |
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| 22:37.05 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: http://pastebin.com/m2804e651 |
| 22:37.24 | Sho_ | (the original didn't do the DOT and the YOUKNOWWHAT thing though heh :) |
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| 22:39.20 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: ??:) what the heck? I got the pastebin...but what the heck is YOUKNOWWHAT part? |
| 22:40.01 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: is that what the actual email address is? |
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| 22:44.19 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: yes |
| 22:44.29 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: the YOUKNOWWHAT is an @ |
| 22:45.07 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: Ohhhh is it a .com or something else? |
| 22:45.19 | Soup-N-Sandwich | the rest of the address I mean |
| 22:47.19 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Just replace the " YOUKNOWWHAT " with @ and the 2x " DOT " with dots |
| 22:47.37 | Sho_ | http://pastebin.com/m7c567250 fwiw |
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| 22:50.10 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: Ok I got the "@" but I have no clue what you mean by "2x" and "with dots" :( |
| 22:50.35 | Sho_ | o.O |
| 22:50.58 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: The line contains the string of characters " DOT " two times. I encoded "two times" with "2x". |
| 22:51.05 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: A dot is this: . |
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| 22:51.26 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: It's also called a full stop or a period |
| 22:51.29 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Yeah...that part I get |
| 22:51.34 | Sho_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop |
| 22:52.26 | Soup-N-Sandwich | yeah I got that...but after the "."...what is it? 'com', 'net' ?? |
| 22:52.43 | Sho_ | it's "at" |
| 22:52.49 | Sho_ | Which is the top-level domain for Austria |
| 22:53.00 | Sho_ | Anyway, I mailed you the address as you asked via private message |
| 22:53.21 | Soup-N-Sandwich | "emailAdress@gmx.at" ? |
| 22:53.27 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: ok thanks very much |
| 22:54.35 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: yes, eMailAddress@gmx.at |
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| 22:54.45 | Sho_ | GMX is a popular freemail provider |
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| 22:55.06 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: ok that's what I missed...never herd of them...especially the "at" part :) sorry |
| 22:55.40 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho where is he from? |
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| 22:55.44 | Soup-N-Sandwich | UK? |
| 22:55.59 | Sho_ | Soup-N-Sandwich: Since he has an email address ending in .at I would expect him to be Austrian |
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| 22:56.30 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sho_: Ahh geesss no kidding. Ok sorry about the lack of understanding....sorry for your pain :) |
| 22:56.50 | Sho_ | 'Location: Austria' says his blog's About page |
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| 23:09.45 | Kri5m | argh |
| 23:09.59 | Kri5m | i can't get gdm to show the session menu |
| 23:10.13 | Kri5m | i cant login to kde and am doomed to use gnome ! |
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| 23:16.45 | locsmif | Kri5m, is your / full ? |
| 23:17.14 | locsmif | Run df |
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| 23:26.19 | Kenjiro | hello there |
| 23:26.37 | Kenjiro | guys, in kde-4.3.0rc1, how can I "kill" plasma and restart it? |
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| 23:27.14 | Kenjiro | till kde-4.2.4 I would just do "ps ax | grep plasma", find its PID, kill it and then restart it with something like "plasma && exit" on a konsole |
| 23:27.18 | delt0r___ | you mean like the whole X windows? |
| 23:27.56 | delt0r___ | [ctrl]-[alt]-[backspace] Will kill X and then I just restart it |
| 23:28.07 | pinotree | Kenjiro: plasma-desktop |
| 23:28.33 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Guys is there a default file/place/setting where KDE get's it default color scheme if the one choosen fails? |
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| 23:32.54 | lloyd | I have the most stable mysql server ever |
| 23:33.22 | lloyd | I have the most stable mysql server ever... php/apache too |
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| 23:35.15 | Sagattarii | is there a simple way to clear all recently used documents on shutdown? (kde 4) |
| 23:35.33 | Sagattarii | it seems that the items are saved to ~/.kde4/share/apps/RecentDocuments/ |
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| 23:37.29 | Soup-N-Sandwich | Sagattarii: write a small script, make it executable and place it in ~/.kde/shutdown |
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| 23:39.29 | Kri5m | locsmif: 12gb free there |
| 23:39.30 | Kenjiro | delt0r___: no, I was talking about only plasma |
| 23:39.37 | Kenjiro | no the whole X server |
| 23:39.40 | Kenjiro | pinotree: thanks |
| 23:40.17 | Kri5m | locsmif: this really sucks , as i am compiling kde svn regualary and switch to an svn session in gdm/kdm |
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| 23:41.13 | Sagattarii | Soup-N-Sandwich: sounds good, if I switch a user (logout from a session) then shutdown is executed as well? |
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| 23:55.05 | syn1 | I'm really confused. I clicked on my plasma button that I had in the corner and clicked add activity (not knowing what it did) and did it a few times, now my desktop is blue instead of my wallpaper, and my plasma button disappeared. I'm using Fedora 11. |
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