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00:17.57shzeI'm trying to debug why I cannot login into my online banking (it always returns to start page), I've gdb attached w/ breakpoint at KUrl::setPath, but I can't figure out how to display the contents of its QString
00:18.11shzeany ideas? or better ways to do this in general?
00:20.13shze(I'm using debian unstable packages)
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00:33.13magyarhi, is there a way to import messages from 3.2 kmail to 4.2 kmail?
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00:50.33mase_workmagyar its just standard maildir
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01:04.13magyarmase_work: i copied the maildir from 3.5 to 4.2 and all mail lost its headers dates etc
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01:05.44mase_workmagyar hmm well the mail headers will still be intact. you just need to find out how to tell kmail to refresh its cache of the headers. I'm not sure how you do that. I assume you have tried restarting kmail ?
01:06.06mase_workyou may need to delete the index files if they exist
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01:09.47magyarmase_work: did that just now and even the new email went  "unknown"
01:10.31mase_workmagyar maybe try in #kde-pim. i am not sure
01:10.41mase_workit would not have overwritten the files though
01:11.06pillumhey, someones knows why I can't use python plasmoids? It says: "This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not create a python ScriptEngine for the gmail-plasmoid widget."
01:11.31magyarmase_work: will do
01:15.33pillum:(
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01:19.35pillumthere are so many people in this channel
01:19.42pillumand everyone seems to be sleeping
01:21.30phobospillum: they are compiling kde 4.3.0
01:22.03pillumtherefore they're sleeping?
01:22.30phobospillum: if you count sleeping as not paying attention to the channel, then yes
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01:23.02pillumbut maybe you could help me?  :)
01:23.27phobosI can try. Whats the problem?
01:23.48pillumI can't use python plasmoids
01:23.55pillumThis object could not be created for the following reason: Could not create a python ScriptEngine for the gmail-plasmoid widget.
01:24.59phobosdo you have the plasmoid-dev installed from your distro?
01:25.35pillumhumph
01:25.42pillumthere is nothing like this here
01:25.51pillumbtw: I'm running Freebsd
01:25.57phobosah
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01:26.05phobosI have no experience with freebsd
01:26.14phoboshave you tried asking in #freebsd?
01:26.30pillumfreebsd or kde-freebsd?
01:26.38phoboseither of em
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01:28.08pillumI tried in kde-freebsd (because I don't think that it is kde freebsd port problem) and it seems that they are really sleeping :D Everyday I ask them and nobody replies
01:28.24pillum(because I think that it is kde freebsd port problem)
01:30.17phobosThats quite a mess... nothing useable shows up on google either.
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01:32.41JukeBoxHerono way to control slideshow timing in gwenview?
01:33.48pillumthere is a way :)
01:34.08pillumin the settings
01:35.03pillumJukeBoxHero: but first you have to be in slideshow mode
01:35.22JukeBoxHeroi cannot find any
01:36.11pillumgo in slideshow mode -> click on the wrench
01:37.23pillumJukeBoxHero: found it or do I need to do a screenshot?
01:37.33JukeBoxHeroyikes! there
01:37.44JukeBoxHerothanks
01:37.59JukeBoxHerobut no manual control
01:38.06JukeBoxHero2 secs is the lowest :|
01:38.22pillumwhat do you mean with manual control?
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01:38.50JukeBoxHeroi want to add .2 .31 .75 secs manually
01:39.04JukeBoxHerointerval control
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01:39.38JukeBoxHerooh well nevermind
01:39.48JukeBoxHeroit is just a light wieght image viewer
01:40.14pillumwant finer time control?
01:40.18pillumor what?
01:40.38JukeBoxHeroyes
01:40.46JukeBoxHerowhere i can input manual times
01:40.54pillumwhy don't you modify the source code ?
01:41.09JukeBoxHerooh really, how genuine . .
01:41.20JukeBoxHerolike everyone is born programmer
01:41.36pillumyou're not? sry :D
01:42.24JukeBoxHeropathetic OSS replies :D
01:43.06pillumThe idea that not everyone who uses *nix systems is a good programmer is strange to me :)
01:45.01JukeBoxHeroyep, that's a shame
01:45.12JukeBoxHero*nix should only be used by programmers
01:45.22JukeBoxHerowtf is ubuntu doing
01:45.23pillumno
01:46.23JukeBoxHeroits a disgrace that *nix has fallen to the clutches of the GUI thoery, when it should have never went beyond cli and X
01:47.15pillumI didn't say so :D
01:48.11pillumbut since there are not programs for everything in *nix
01:49.12JukeBoxHeroits ok so as i'm a seasoned linux user now
01:49.36JukeBoxHerobut you pull that stunt on a new user who comes for help, you will repel 10 in his vicinity
01:50.26JukeBoxHeroits ok to say we don't have that kinda app ;)
01:50.35JukeBoxHeroor we miss that feature
01:51.14JukeBoxHerorather than , "hey hotshot, its open source, mod it! oo-rahh"
01:51.22pillumand therefore many *nix user know how to coded
01:51.24pillumcode
01:51.40pillumso they can implement that feature or make that program
01:52.52pillumyou know the official release date for kde 4.3 ?
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01:55.52JukeBoxHerohmm official.. nopes
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01:58.50pillumand non official?
01:59.07drantindoesn't techbase have it?
01:59.24pillumdon't know
01:59.27drantinhttp://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule
01:59.53pillumthx
02:03.00pillumhey JukeBoxHero
02:03.43pillumeven you could change the interval precision
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02:04.50JukeBoxHeropillum: how?
02:04.50pillumI think the interval speed is in milliseconds
02:05.13pillummodify sourcecode :D
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02:05.35pillumlook at this:
02:05.37pillumreturn documentDuration * 1000;
02:06.00pillumthe 1000
02:06.18pillumshould be changed to whatever you want
02:06.45JukeBoxHeroforget it, i aint touching any source
02:06.56JukeBoxHerowhy does the plasma bar/panel change size when switched from 24/32bit to 16bit res colour?
02:06.57pillumk, if you don't want
02:07.16pillumdunno
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02:29.31PhrkOnLshIs there any way to sync two resources in Korganizer? I'd like to link my remote resource that heads off to google calender with my local akonadi resource so that they sync both ways. is this possible?
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02:38.20pillumJukeBoxHero: if you still want to change the interval: there is only 1 line in two files you have to change for it
02:39.19pillumI would change and compile it for you, but I don't use Ubuntu (or what you else use)
02:40.24pillumor do you use FreeBSD?
02:40.56PhrkOnLshJukeBoxHero: seasoned *nix guys usually have no problem touching source ;)
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02:48.04pillumPhrkOnLsh: you know why I can't use python plasmoids?
02:48.42PhrkOnLshpillum: let me guess, can't create a script engine?
02:48.54pillumyes :(
02:49.05PhrkOnLshpillum: same
02:49.22PhrkOnLshprobably some random missing dependency
02:49.31PhrkOnLshi expect it to fix itself ;)
02:51.17pillumplasmoidviewer says: "ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/QtCore.so: Undefined symbol "_Py_TrueStruct""
02:51.45pillumyou have the same problem with the undefined symbol?
02:53.18PhrkOnLshlet's see
02:53.53PhrkOnLshwhich one is a java one again?
02:53.56PhrkOnLsher
02:53.58PhrkOnLshpython
02:53.58PhrkOnLshwow
02:54.08PhrkOnLshprays to the pyGods... so sorry my masters
02:54.09pillumwow?
02:54.25pillumwhy wow?
02:54.44PhrkOnLshwhat is one of the python plasmoids?
02:54.57pillumgmail-plasmoid is one
02:55.04pillumbut why wow?
02:56.30PhrkOnLshcause i mistyped :)
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02:56.39pillumoh :)
02:58.43PhrkOnLshpillum: I'm not getting any output, except what plasma normally dumps
02:59.07pillumused plasmoidviewer (in a terminal :))?
02:59.27PhrkOnLshmhm
02:59.29PhrkOnLshto both :)
02:59.37PhrkOnLshrrix@wanton:~$ plasmoidviewer urlcompressor
02:59.38PhrkOnLshrrix@wanton:~$
03:00.11pillum:(
03:00.41PhrkOnLshgoogle for that symbol?
03:00.52pillumI tried
03:00.55pillumcame nothing
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03:02.22PhrkOnLsh:((
03:02.28PhrkOnLshask a kde mail list?
03:03.21pillumI am just writing an email to the kde-freebsd mailing list
03:03.33PhrkOnLshoh cool :)
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03:08.38dvlWhen creating a new menu item that is to be run inside the terminal, is there a way for konsole to not exit when the script file is done running?
03:09.17dvlI keep thinking the "terminal options" field on the menu item, but don't know what could go in there.
03:11.23PhrkOnLshdvl: put --hold in there.
03:11.34dvlPhrkOnLsh: will try
03:14.31dvlPhrkOnLsh: With --hold, I never see it open.  Without --hold, I see it open, but then it closes.
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03:15.17PhrkOnLshtry --noclose then
03:16.21dvlbravo
03:16.28PhrkOnLshworks?
03:16.51pillumdvl: you doesn't know how to use '--help' options :D
03:17.09pillumkonsole --help: ...   --hold, --noclose         Do not close the initial session automatically when it ends. ...
03:17.41dvlpillum: I expect man pages.
03:17.56pillumkonsole has man pages?
03:18.06dvlThat's my point.  ;)
03:18.25PhrkOnLshkhelpcenter ftw
03:18.40dvlman ftw
03:18.51pillum'--help' ftw :P
03:19.03PhrkOnLshholy wars for the win
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03:19.19PhrkOnLsh--background-mode is cool :)
03:19.32dvlStar Trek in IMAX FTW
03:19.36PhrkOnLshtotally making it my yakuake replacement :)
03:19.49PhrkOnLshbut can you make Star Trek in IMAX your yakuake replacement???
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03:20.02pillumwhat does --bg-mode do?
03:20.07dvlgiven I have  no idea what yakuake is, sure
03:20.12PhrkOnLshrun konsole with it and press F12
03:20.23Sho_dvl: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153
03:20.30pillumlike yakuake
03:20.37PhrkOnLshmhm
03:20.43PhrkOnLshbut it's full konsole
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03:20.54pillumyakuake isn't?
03:21.04Sho_"full konsole" ... well, Yakuake has some features Konsole doesn't, and Konsole has some features Yakuake doesn't
03:21.14PhrkOnLshSho_: good point.
03:21.33pillumyeah
03:21.43Sho_For example, Yakuake's split implementation works differently, and many prefer it (you can't do http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/29153-2.png in Konsole)
03:21.52Sho_Or disabling keyboard input for a terminal, etc.
03:22.08pillumhow do you do that?
03:22.15Sho_Personally, I use both Yakuake and Konsole :)
03:22.19dvlSho_: bookmarked for later.
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03:23.00Sho_pillum: Right-click a tab and pick the split actions, or use the keyboard shortcuts. You can also press and hold the new tab button to spawn a split session preset (and you can also assign keyboard shortcuts to those).
03:23.00PhrkOnLshSho_: I just want something that doesn't eat my task manager but is still there
03:23.02PhrkOnLshhence yakuake
03:23.39Sho_Well, not saying you should use one over the other :) Just that Konsole with --background-mode doesn't magically make it a Yakuake replacement, because Yakuake has a bunch of features Konsole doesn't
03:23.51PhrkOnLshthis is true
03:24.03pillumSho_: I meant disabling keyboard input
03:24.05Sho_but in the interest of full disclosure I must say that I am biased (I develop Yakuake)
03:24.23Sho_pillum: Same thing, right-click tab or use keyboard shortcut ... gotta have 2.9.5 though (pretty new :)
03:24.43PhrkOnLshbut for the uses I have for it and the amount of features lost, it's pointless to have both :)
03:24.52Sho_Yakuake also has a pretty nifty D-Bus interface that allows scripting it in a number of ways
03:24.55PhrkOnLshSho_: I figured as much ;)
03:25.04PhrkOnLshSho_: in what ways?
03:25.08pillumstill having 2.9.4
03:25.32Sho_Well, you can script the creation of tabs, splits, manipulate tab labels, run commands in terminals, ..
03:25.44PhrkOnLshthat's pretty cool I suppose :)
03:26.19pillumSho_: you're developing it?
03:26.30pillumyou did a good job
03:26.52PhrkOnLsh:/ Konsole scrollback apparently broke :(
03:27.05pillumI never want to do without it again
03:27.32Sho_pillum: thanks :)
03:28.19PhrkOnLshSho_: I'm a fan of yakuake, I must say :)
03:28.26Sho_It was originally started by someone else, actually, but I've been developing it for the last 3-4 years, and there's no code from the original author left (the KDE 4 version was a full rewrite)
03:28.35Sho_And of course, the original idea is in Quake :)
03:29.11Sho_http://www.eikehein.com/quake.png :)
03:30.59Sho_PhrkOnLsh: btw, if you got a kde-apps.org account, you can actually put that on record: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?action=fan&content=29153 ;)
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03:31.17PhrkOnLshSho_: I have one.. somewhere...
03:31.20PhrkOnLsh:)
03:31.34Sho_:)
03:31.39PhrkOnLshI still think the coolest thing is being able to click links from within konsole :)
03:31.44PhrkOnLshadd that to yakyuake ;)
03:31.55Sho_PhrkOnLsh: oh, both have that these days
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03:32.06PhrkOnLshhoshit :)
03:32.09PhrkOnLshI did _not_ know that
03:32.11Sho_PhrkOnLsh: Konsole and Yakuake use the same terminal technology
03:32.16PhrkOnLshokay
03:32.19PhrkOnLshcool!
03:32.28Sho_We KDE people like code reuse after all
03:32.29Sho_:)
03:33.02PhrkOnLshyup
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03:38.32PhrkOnLshyeah I can't remember my opendesktop login xD
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03:46.45pillumhey, are there any animated wallpaper for KDE 4.2.3 ?
03:50.43pillumkde 4.3 has some nice features ;)
03:53.24Ajianwho used the KDE 4.3
03:54.42pillumI don't
03:55.21windowshasyouI'm compiling 4.3 right now
03:55.25windowshasyouhope its worth the trouble.
03:56.41PhrkOnLshpillum: animated wallpaper, wuh?
03:56.58AjianI will use it ,wait for some time
03:57.04pillumyes animated wallpaper
03:57.09pillumkde 4.3 has some
03:57.16PhrkOnLshshiny
03:58.02pillumbut they're just some plasmoids
03:58.30pillumI don't think that it means you can use every video or some other animated things
03:58.54pillumPhrkOnLsh:
03:58.56pillum# Weather wallpaper displays a wallpaper matching the current weather
03:58.58pillum# The Virus wallpaper slowly eats your desktop
03:58.59pillum# Mandelbrot fractals as real-time computed wallpaper
03:59.39PhrkOnLshnice
03:59.46PhrkOnLshthat's only 4.3?
04:00.57pillumi think so
04:01.52PhrkOnLsh:((
04:02.59pillumwhy?
04:03.22pillumonly 2 month
04:03.24pillums
04:03.45PhrkOnLshYeah, that's too months of nofuntiem
04:03.48PhrkOnLshtwo
04:03.48pillumthen it will hopefully be released
04:04.01PhrkOnLshhopefuly. :O :O
04:04.08pillumplay some games :D
04:04.31PhrkOnLshlol
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04:11.30pillum:( my desktop is so messed up
04:11.44pillumi have 20,000 files and don't know where to put them
04:13.30PhrkOnLshpillum: in a tar archive name archive.tar
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04:33.18GoofankleI'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I'm on Gentoo and KDE 4.2, and I have qtcurve installed but whenver I try to configure it it just says that it couldn't load the config dialog for the style. When I hit "show details" it says unknown error. I've tried reinstalling it but that didn't do anything
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05:02.51kakaltowhere does kmail keep its settings (other than .kde/share/apps/kmail)?
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05:05.12pillumphrkonösh: I cleaned my desktop. Now it looks really nice :) : http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2600/plasmadrop2imageshack47.png
05:06.00xjjkpillum: what did it look like before
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05:06.33Moultlooks at pillum's screenie
05:06.50Moultpillum: i didn't really like nuno's latest wallpaper
05:06.58pillumxjjk: bad :(
05:07.19pillumwho's nuno?
05:07.30xjjkpillum: prominent KDE artist
05:07.36xjjkthink he made the wallpaper you're using?
05:07.38Moultpillum: nuno pinheiro - creator on that wallpaper you've got on there
05:08.33pillumI did only know that this name is pinheiro
05:09.53Moultis turning his desktop into a "social desktop" - microblogging and rememberthemilk plasmoids
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05:10.00pillumkde 4.3?
05:10.21Moultpillum: me? yes./
05:10.21PhrkOnLshkakalto: !/.kde/share/config/kmail*
05:10.31pillumyes, you :)
05:11.00PhrkOnLshMoult: social desktop is cool :)
05:11.01pillumMoult: how is it ? crashing all the time ?
05:11.04PhrkOnLshi have great hopes
05:11.24Moultpillum: no, plasma-desktop was misbehaving but i just updated my kernel and now all seems well
05:11.56Moulti updated my nvidia drivers too but that just borked up kde badly so i downgraded again - i use somebody's personal overlay who hosts the latest beta drivers, so i think maybe he borked something up
05:12.02PhrkOnLshnice, pillum :)
05:12.23MoultPhrkOnLsh: I saw the opendesktop plasmoid but so far it's been totally useless
05:12.30Moulti'm trying to use the plasma desktop more
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05:12.54pillumMoult: why's it useless?
05:12.54PhrkOnLshMoult: but the future of it sounds great
05:13.18MoultPhrkOnLsh: yeah, just needs more useful plasmoids that people'll find useful on a regular basis
05:13.31Moultpillum: does nothing. of sorts. because i'm in malaysia - there's nobody around me.
05:13.37Moultno geeks in this country
05:13.51PhrkOnLshMoult: we'll see ;)
05:16.24PhrkOnLshnight guys
05:16.52pillumnight
05:17.56Moultgnight
05:19.39kakaltoxjjk, PhrkOnLsh thanks =)
05:21.55pillumMoult: kakalto: anyone: do anyone of you have an idea how to change the color of the panel ?
05:22.35Moultpillum: change theme.
05:22.48Moultpillum: you can customise the theme to be made up of different themes
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05:23.36pillumMoult: how
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05:23.38pillum?
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05:24.14Moultpillum: systemsettings, advanced, plasma or something
05:24.16PhrkOnLshpillum: system settings->advanced->desktop theme
05:24.21PhrkOnLshbai nao
05:24.28pillumbye
05:24.29MoultPhrkOnLsh: go sleep
05:24.39pillumI search in General->Appeareance
05:24.43pillumsearched
05:25.57pillumMoult: PhrkOnLsh: thank you
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05:33.55dfreyMy taskbar seems to be frozen.  This has happened to me a few times now.  Is there a way that I can reload or restart it without exiting from KDE?
05:34.31pillumdfrey: you mean the panel?
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05:36.23dfreypillum: yes.  Sorry
05:36.36pillumwhy sorry?
05:36.45pillumI always kill plasma
05:37.06pillumi think there is no other way
05:37.09dfreypillum: Then it will automatically restart?
05:37.18pillumI don't think so
05:37.42pillumeither use the krunner or use
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05:38.09pillum"killall plasma && sleep 3 && plasma &"
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05:38.58dfreythat worked
05:39.16dfreynow if only it didn't hang in the first place  :)
05:39.19pillumdid it automatically restart?
05:39.23dfreyno
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05:41.32pillumhi
05:41.39pillumMoult: it did not work
05:41.46pillumeverything changed
05:41.57pillumexcept the panel color/style
05:41.58longkuiwhat's up
05:42.03pillumnothing
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05:43.43Moultpillum: make your panel a different plasma theme
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05:44.17pillumI did
05:44.27Moultpillum: screenie?
05:44.33pillumwait
05:45.52pillumplasma crashed :(
05:46.30pillumhttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1585/plasmadrop2imageshack83.png
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05:48.52pillumMoult: but it should look like this http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5076/plasmadrop2imageshack11.png
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05:50.35Moultpillum: oh yeah sometimes oxygen's plasma theme likes to change to blue
05:50.39Moultpillum: enable compositing
05:50.58pillumbut I don't want compositing
05:51.04pillumit's too slow
05:51.44Moultpillum: i've noticed it happens every so often when compositing is not enabled
05:51.50Moultpillum: normally a restart of x fixes it
05:52.45pillumnow, it's fine
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05:54.14pillumdidn't need to restart
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05:57.15JukeBoxHerowhere is the font stored when do install it with font installer?
05:57.16JukeBoxHeroits not in /usr/share/fonts
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06:04.36makmanalphello, i'm having this issue where i'm compiling kde from trunk as described here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 . I'm confused as to where I'm supposed to put the python stuff coming from plasma. It's trying to install some python script from plasma into /usr/lib/, whereas it normally installs all the other stuff in the user homedir. Can I avoid overwriting stuff that's in my acual python path? I found a bugreport: https://bugs.kde.org/s
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06:08.33longkuianybody in china?
06:10.30Ajianme
06:11.04longkuiwhere?
06:11.10AjianBeiJing
06:11.19longkuii'm in nanjing
06:11.23AjianHa ha
06:11.35Ajian你具体在哪呢
06:11.46longkuihow about speak in chinese
06:12.12Jucatothis is an English channel. #kde-cn for a Chinese channel
06:12.24AjianSorry
06:12.36longkuisorry
06:12.54longkuithis is my first time to use this tool
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06:14.27AjianWhich operating system you use
06:14.46longkuifedora 10
06:14.59longkuihow about u
06:15.06AjianopenSUSE 11.1
06:16.58AjianI don't know why I use Dolphin growing slowly after a number of copy and paste
06:17.00longkuiyou're a student or?
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06:17.41Ajiansystem engineer
06:17.52longkuienvy u
06:18.09longkuii,m still a student
06:18.23Ajianvery good
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06:19.43Feisarhi all, I have an odd problem with my kde4 desktop, its a new install but the colours are wrong; the panel is brown and so are icons that should be blue - I think some things are negative, but not the background??
06:21.00longkuii'll to find a jod in this summer holiday
06:21.00longkuia jod about Linux
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06:25.11AjianFeisar: I suggest that you use the more stable source of. I encounter these situations when I update the source of the experiment
06:25.36Ajianlongkui: Do you have find it ?
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06:26.12FeisarAjian: ok thanks, at least that stops me worrying about my graphics!
06:26.31longkuia job,no
06:26.43FeisarI can't use another at the moment though, that's what my package manager has given me
06:26.43longkuinot now
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06:28.56FeisarAjian: did it happen on and off for you? I mean were the colours right sometimes?
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06:34.56oneforalldarn can't get kde4 working in kvm :(
06:35.13Ajiananyone can help Feisar, if I encounter these situations ,I will change to a stable source and reinstall the software . try more .My English is bad.
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06:41.01pillumFeisar: what is the name of the theme you use?
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06:42.08MichelFXhello
06:42.11pillumhey
06:42.13MichelFXhttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8015/snapshot1.png
06:42.26MichelFXhow I can solve this?
06:42.34MichelFXthis is not default color
06:42.38MichelFXseem gtk
06:42.52thiago_homewhat?
06:42.52pillumJukeBoxHero: you sure that it isn't in /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ ?
06:42.56thiago_homewhere?
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06:43.07pillumMichelFX: the panel?
06:43.11pillumor dolphin?
06:43.14MichelFXno
06:43.16MichelFXyes
06:43.20MichelFXdolphin
06:43.25thiago_homedolphin looks exactly right
06:43.36thiago_homewhere do you see a problem?
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06:45.53pillumMichelFX: how should it look like?
06:46.27pillumit seems to be the default oxygen color scheme
06:46.33thiago_homeyes
06:46.49thiago_homeit's oxygen, so it looks exactly like it should look like
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06:52.36xeviousis there a way to adjust the bounds of the plasma desktop to account for overscan on a tv?
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06:53.47xeviousi'm running 1080p so i'd like to keep it full resolution if i play a bluray or a 1080p video file (ie. not set it in xorg.conf because it would reduce the resolution for fullscreen applications, which i don't want)
06:54.25thiago_homeso in 1080p, you can't see 1080 pixels?
06:55.10xeviousthiago: i have a DLP TV, which has about 30px of overscan on each edge
06:55.54xeviousthiago: i'd like to have the desktop shrunk in by 30px, but have full screen applications still use the full area so 1080p video doesnt get scaled
06:56.28xeviousin kde3 my workaround is empty panels on each screen edge, then the actual panels that i use are inside the empty border panels
06:58.29DumbleHello world !
06:58.45longkuihello,Dumble
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06:59.21thiago_homexevious: i think you'll have to fiddle with your X settings
06:59.45thiago_homeif X tells plasma that the screen is 1080 pixels high, it will assume all those 1080 rows are visible
07:00.29xeviousthiago: i need X to run at 1080 tho
07:00.36xeviousi don't want 1080p video to be scaled
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07:01.03xeviousvideo is edited with overscan in mind, so that's not an issue -- i just want the desktop to run in a reduced area inside a 1920x1080 display
07:01.38thiago_homewell, like I said, the desktop doesn't know that some lines aren't visibile
07:01.45thiago_homethe desktop wasn't made for overscan
07:02.00thiago_homeso, I suggest switching your HDTV to a mode where it doesn't overscan
07:02.08thiago_homewhen you play a movie, switch resolutions
07:02.13xeviousum
07:02.27xeviousoverscan is inherent with any form of projection
07:02.29xeviousyou can't shut it off
07:02.43thiago_homemy HDTV can do 1680x1080 without overscan
07:02.49pillumyou're sure you can't change the plasma settings?
07:02.53thiago_homeas well as 1024x768 and lower resolutions
07:03.02thiago_homeeverything else has overscan
07:03.14xeviousit seems like plasma - since it's an abstraction of the desktop display - should be able to be shrunk down
07:03.15thiago_homepillum: no: the panels are always attached to the borders of the screen
07:03.28xeviousthiago: i want 1920x1080...
07:03.32xeviousfull hd resolution
07:03.43xeviousso when i play a 1920x1080 video it's not scaled at all
07:03.44thiago_homewell, you want 1920x1080, but you have 1920x1020
07:03.48xeviousno
07:03.50xeviouslisten man
07:03.55thiago_homeyou've just said that there are 30px overscan
07:03.58xeviousyes there are
07:04.03xeviousthe video is still being displayed there
07:04.06xeviousit's not visible
07:04.08thiago_homeso you have 1920x1020 visible
07:04.09pillumbecause in plasmarc you can change the offset and min/max size
07:04.12thiago_homethat's the problem
07:04.25thiago_homeplasma doesn't know what is visible and what isn't
07:04.39thiago_homeit assumes everything is because, well, it usually is
07:04.59oneforallafter the spash whast the next things it loads ?
07:05.04oneforallwhats*
07:05.06xeviousthiago: no. i dont care about losing those pixels when playing video. i edit video professionally. when you edit a movie for television distribution you plan for overscan
07:05.14thiago_homexevious: I know
07:05.20xeviousthiago: i only want the desktop applications to display in a smaller area
07:05.21thiago_homexevious: but plasma doesn't know that those pixels aren't visible
07:05.35thiago_homeX tells it that the resolution is 1920x1080
07:05.40thiago_homethat's the only thing it knows
07:05.54thiago_homeso it will draw things at the top and bottom 30px because they usually are visible
07:05.57xeviousthiago: my kde3 workaround is to make panels that use up the overscan area. thus, when i maximize an application it can only take up the visible area
07:06.17thiago_homesure, but it still will draw stuff there
07:06.26xeviousthiago: i want it to!
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07:06.35thiago_homeand last I tried, plasma doesn't support two panels on one screen edge
07:06.39xeviousi dont want video to be scaled into the visible area
07:07.05thiago_homeso you can add a panel to the with 30px height
07:07.08xeviousthiago_home: if i edit xorg.conf to eliminate the overscan, it'll cause 1080p video to be scaled
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07:07.31thiago_homeand at the bottom, you'll need to make your panel include those 30px
07:07.47rohitjHi. I use kopete and kontact. And I link my kopete contacts with my kaddressbook. Now, I want to transfer my data from one computer to another. I could transfer my kopete data, and my kaddressbook data. But the links between kaddressbook and kopete are not imported. What should I do about it?
07:07.48thiago_homebut note that things will get scaled up due to the increased height
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07:08.24xeviouspillum: i liked where you were going with this
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07:09.03pillumxevious: but I don't if it is working if you can the file :(
07:09.32thiago_homesuggests asking in #plasma if there's any setting you can use to make it not draw on the bottom 30px of the screen
07:09.35thiago_homeI don't know of any
07:09.46xeviousoh there's a plasma channel nice
07:09.51xeviousi'll ask them
07:10.00xeviouskde should offer better hdtv integration
07:10.35xeviousan overscan app that lets you drag bars to the screen edges to set your overscan area would be cool
07:10.45xeviousthen have that only affect non fullscreen applications
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07:10.58pillumin plasma-appletsrc there is a section for the panel
07:12.21thiago_homexevious: yes, maybe KDE should
07:12.31thiago_homexevious: but the point is that HDTVs are new
07:12.43thiago_homeand people are more worried about traditional monitor problems
07:14.55pillumJukeBoxHero: you're there?
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07:20.09pillumxevious: can't you just crop the video?
07:21.00thiago_homemplayer supports that
07:21.23thiago_homebut only if moving the panels off the edge isn't supported
07:22.18pillumonly if what isn't supported from what?
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07:23.05pillumvlc also supports that
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07:23.11manielhi
07:23.12thiago_homefrom plasma
07:23.21pillumbut I dunno what you mean with isn't supported
07:23.45thiago_homeif plasma can't move the panel off the screen edge
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07:24.46manieli'm using kde 4.2 in ubuntu and yakuake 2.9.4, it seems that yakuake doesn't remember my shell settings at all, i'm configuring it to be transparent but after relogin there is plain black terminal
07:24.48pillumand why is cropping only usable when moving the panel off the edge isn't supported?
07:24.53manielin konsole it works
07:25.06pillumoh
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07:25.21pillummaniel: did you set 'change transparency for each tab' ?
07:25.45pillumoh
07:25.51pillumthat's only for the color
07:26.11pillummay be you changed the permission of the settings file
07:26.32pillumand now you can't save you settings because you don't permissions for it
07:28.25pillumanyhow, that's the reason why I saw the "Mozilla: First Run" website everytime I started firefox3
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07:30.07pillummaniel: btw: there is already yakuake 2.9.5
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07:34.59manielpillum: i changed it for only open tab there is, restaqrted yakuake and "Current Profile" is still plain black and 1k lines of scrollback
07:35.33pillumdo you have the permissions for the settings file?
07:35.55manieli've changed colorscheme to white on black  which in my case is white on transparent black:>
07:36.02manielyeah, ofcourse
07:36.30pillumyou're sure?
07:37.36pillumSho_'s not there :(
07:37.54pillumyou could ask him if he was
07:38.07pillumhe is a developer of yakuake
07:38.41manielpillum: `find  .kde4 -type f -exec ls -l '{}' \;`  returned no files belonging to root
07:38.56manielor without rw permissions
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07:43.08pillumcan't help you :(
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07:45.58oneforalldarn xfce is working how besides the Xorg.config can I find out whats freezing up kde4 ?
07:46.25oneforallin kvm(qenu)
07:46.53pillumyou mean qemu?
07:48.28pillumeven if you meant qemu or not: I don't know :(
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07:50.31pillumoneforall: what says the output?
07:50.45pillumanything special
07:50.46pillum?
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07:53.35pillumwhat?
07:53.55oneforallit the ehanced qenu
07:54.24oneforalluses the kvm-intel module amd one
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07:55.51oneforallthe log as in the Xorg.0.log ?
07:56.31pillumany log
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07:56.46pillumdoesn't the terminal say anything
07:56.48pillum?
07:57.11oneforallI'll rerun kde and only thing I can do is from ctrl-alt-2 . is quit :( ctrl-alt-f1(backspace etc ) just doesn't work .
07:57.43JukeBoxHerothis is weird i can instal lthe fonts but not view them?
07:58.02JukeBoxHerocoz they're in /usr?
07:58.15oneforallits just after the spash finishes and its totally frozen . can get to the km monitor with ctrl-alt-2 but f1 2 3 etc don't work
07:58.15JukeBoxHerowhat is the use of font viewer then. .
07:58.54pillumyou found them?
07:59.15pillumJukeBoxHero: why can't you use them?
07:59.47pillumoneforall: maybe it's compositing?
07:59.48JukeBoxHerowhere did i say that
08:00.01JukeBoxHero<JukeBoxHero> what is the use of font viewer then. .
08:00.10JukeBoxHeroif you cant VIEW them as user
08:00.19pillumI thought you mean font installer
08:00.23pillumsry :D
08:00.48pillumwhich font viewer?
08:00.56oneforallis that on by default now kde(trunk but not the lastest few days old )
08:01.07JukeBoxHerokde default font viewer
08:01.19pillumwhat's the name of the application?
08:01.29JukeBoxHeroFont Viewer
08:01.37pillumcommand name?
08:01.42JukeBoxHerodunno
08:01.50pillummake a screenshot of the app
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08:02.00oneforallits not on in xorg.conf. just a plain jane one so to speak X -configure  add the modes
08:03.11pillummaybe it's a qemu bug or kde isn't able to be run on qemu?
08:03.25pillumJukeBoxHero: ?
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08:05.52JukeBoxHeropillum: http://www.imgx.org/files/37834_rz5xb/pkit4.png
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08:07.04pillumthat's weird
08:07.30pillumI do can view the fonts
08:08.01pillumbtw: whats is your current font settings? (just asking :))
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08:08.58pillumand your irc client?
08:08.58oneforalllast I tried 4.2.68 worked .
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08:10.01oneforallfirst tiem though it was missing the oxegen icons etc :) thats when I found out it was seperate
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08:10.51pillumJukeBoxHero: (1. what's your font and irc client) 2. start kfontview from terminal
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08:11.17pillumwhy are you using kde through qemu?
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08:12.10simion314hi, i set up a debian lenny with kde 3.5 for someone and it neads a GUI application for mounting .iso files is there a kde3 or qt3 application that can do this? or maybe scripts for konqueror in kde3 to right click and mount iso?
08:12.48pillumsimion314: you already googled that?
08:12.57pillumthere is MountISO
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08:15.16pillumsimion314: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577
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08:18.25pillumI don't like this silence :)
08:20.11pillumstill silence :(
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08:21.19simion314pillum: thx, i will try it now
08:21.31pillumnp
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08:23.32lejocelynhi, strange I have a pdf that is badly displayed by Okular
08:23.44pinotreelink to it?
08:23.59lejocelyncan't
08:24.01lejocelynit's a local pdf
08:24.07pillumuploading it?
08:24.08pillum:D
08:24.18lejocelynwhere ?
08:24.25pillumwhere you wnat
08:24.26pillumwant
08:24.42pillumthere are many one click hosters
08:25.11lejocelynwell, I never had to use them, don't know any
08:25.15lejocelyna link to one ?
08:25.16pillumlike this: http://uploaded.to/
08:25.56pillumbut you probably know rapidshare.com ?
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08:26.26lejocelynok
08:26.27lejocelynhttp://ul.to/354fri
08:26.35lejocelynthe firrst page of this document is badly displayed
08:27.11lejocelynwhen you look at the thumbimage at the left
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08:27.38pillumit looks normal :)
08:27.39lejocelynthe text is complete but not on the main screen
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08:27.51peterbrettHow do I remove the default addressbook from kaddressbook, and MAKE IT STAY REMOVED?
08:27.52pillumcould you make a screenshot?
08:28.16peterbrettWhenever I restart KAddressbook it comes back, like a very determined zombie intent on consumption of human brains
08:28.17lejocelynpillum: don't you have the pdf ?
08:28.21pillumI have
08:28.22lejocelyndon't have the same issue ?
08:28.35pillummake a screenshot
08:28.39pillumso I can see what you mean
08:28.46pillumbut I don't see anything strange
08:28.51pinotreeyep, please do a screenshot
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08:30.28pillumhere's my screenshot: http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2801/plasmadrop2imageshack20.png
08:30.38pillumit looks normal
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08:31.44lejocelynpillum: well, it is normal on yours
08:31.47lejocelyn:(
08:32.01pinotreewhich version of the poppler-qt4 library do you have?
08:32.26pillumme?
08:32.41pinotreeno, lejocelyn
08:32.41lejocelyn0.8.7
08:32.42JukeBoxHeropillum: font is Droid Sans and irc is Konversation
08:33.05pillumthx
08:33.13pillumyou're slow :P
08:33.14pinotreelejocelyn: a bit old, and that could be the problem; suggestion is, whenever possible, to update to 0.10.x
08:33.28lejocelynok
08:33.44pillumJukeBoxHero: can you view fonts if you manually open them?=
08:33.47JukeBoxHeroi'm busy
08:34.02lejocelyn:D
08:34.05JukeBoxHeroi just opened kfontview as sudo
08:34.12JukeBoxHeroand i got a xmessage
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08:34.37JukeBoxHeroCould not start ksmserver, check your installtion
08:34.45JukeBoxHeroif i click ok, kde will crash
08:35.23pillumand not opening it as root ?
08:35.24JukeBoxHeroreadies for the crash
08:35.27pillumin terminal
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08:37.54JukeBoxHerolike i said, a splendid crash :)
08:38.30pillumand you have ksmserver installed? :D
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08:40.07MrDudlehow different is the GUI from gnome to KDE
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08:41.16pillumI'm back :;)
08:41.20JukeBoxHeroi dont even know what ksmserver is pillum
08:41.28JukeBoxHeroit came installed with kde
08:41.56pillumksmserver is KDE's session manager.
08:42.04annmaMrDudle: get a liveCD and see
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08:42.28annmaMrDudle: obviously here we will only say good things and we also do not know Gnome
08:42.30MrDudleannma, i'm going to be using a flavor of linux that is kde
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08:42.42MrDudleand was curious before i started playing
08:42.50annmacurious of what?
08:42.55annmawe cannot compare
08:43.00annmait's just a matter of taste
08:43.04MrDudlek
08:43.05annmalook and feel
08:43.09MrDudleah kk
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08:43.16MrDudlethat's the answer i've been looking for :)
08:43.29oneforallwell the Xorg.0.log look fine
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08:44.37oneforallafter x stats whats the loog to see how kde was doing to look at?
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08:44.54oneforallor would it just use the Xorg... one too
08:44.54devilsadvocate_where is the font size for the folderview icons set?
08:44.58pillumI think it writes to stdout
08:45.15pillumfolderview settings
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08:45.36pillumoh that isn't font size
08:45.49pillumor is it?
08:46.17devilsadvocate_no it isnt
08:46.17oneforallduh . I'' just do startx 2>&1 | tee logit :)
08:47.00BlizzerandI use Ubuntu and I installed kde desktop environment (thought why not give it a try and I loved it) .
08:47.08BlizzerandBut now I want to reinstall kde (without losing gnome) ! Help please
08:47.50pillumwhy would you lose gnome when you reinstall kde?
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08:49.09pillumdevilsadvocate_:
08:49.28devilsadvocate_pillum:
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08:49.40pillumyou already looked in system settings ?
08:49.53pillumthere is a desktop entry in font settings
08:50.10devilsadvocate_pillum: i cant see any obvious connection between this and that.. can figure out which font type plasma is using
08:50.18devilsadvocate_looks for desktop entry
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08:51.04pillumand?
08:51.08devilsadvocate_pillum: that worked. thanks :)
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08:59.17pillumcompiz and kde shows some pictures with a an intensive tint and I don't know why
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09:01.22pillumhm
09:01.26pillumnow it doesn't
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09:02.00pillumhow can I change the kickoff icon?
09:02.53comawhitepillum: right click on kickoff
09:03.12comawhiteApplication Launcher settings
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09:03.33pillumand then?
09:03.52pillumthere's only "switch tabs on hover" and keyboard shortcut
09:03.52comawhiteclick on the KDE icon?
09:04.00comawhitewhat version you using?
09:04.05pillumkde 4.2.3
09:04.14comawhitehmm I'm using 4.3.0-beta1
09:04.29comawhiteI guess thats a 4.3.0 feature?
09:04.38pillumwhy do you think that everyone is using an unstable beta version? :D
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09:04.52comawhitebecause newer is always better ;)
09:05.08pillumno, it's unstable as I said :P
09:05.25comawhiteI know 4.3.0 allows showing the actual names of the applications instead of the annoying descriptions now
09:05.34pillumand the older intel driver were better than the new ones
09:05.43comawhiteI use nVidia ;)
09:05.53pillumwhich descriptions?
09:05.56pillumand where?
09:06.19comawhiteit now allows it to show "Konqueror" instead of just "Web Browser"
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09:06.31oneforallwow just sen inm my log hp can't be run as root . thats like telling the owner you can't do that. Window bs there.
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09:06.54comawhiteoneforall: hp can't run root?
09:06.56pillumif you hover over it with you mouse it shows konqueror :P
09:06.56comawhiteo_O
09:07.07comawhitei know but now its the other way around ;)
09:07.28oneforallyeah just seen that in my log I made to see if I can catch why kde is freezing in kvm :0
09:08.03pillumhp is what?
09:08.04oneforallfeels like ms and trying to stop every one from using dos lol
09:08.08pillumhewlett packard?
09:08.13oneforallsnipping the power user
09:08.25oneforallyeah hewlett packard
09:08.32comawhitetrying to login to KDE as root?
09:08.44comawhitethats KDM's fault ;)
09:08.46N3mZas woot ?
09:10.07oneforallyeha both from user in kvm and root . get more info and if root can then first thought permisions etc . But  root aint no super user any more when you can;'t run things as root. thats sick
09:10.21pillumcomawhite: hows opendesktop ?
09:10.31oneforallI don't use kdm other than to just see if it works . startx for me
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09:12.34comawhitenow going to install amarok-svn
09:12.57comawhiteoh wait I'm using 4.2.86 now
09:13.00comawhitexD
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09:13.49pillumwhat is  4.2.86
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09:14.26comawhitethe svn version
09:14.51comawhite4.3.0 beta1 = 4.2.85
09:15.03oneforallerr accually its the hp-system tray . I'm user hp would still work
09:15.05pillumoh
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09:15.11comawhite4.3.0 beta 2 will be 4.2.90 iirc or is that RC1?
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09:16.14oneforalldarn I forget now if thats a kde4 part or hp. But I really don't think thats the problem of the freezing :)
09:17.35oneforallneponmonkserver looks like it loaded fine . Soprano has a long list but so far looks fine
09:19.18oneforallthen kmix looks fine . but then I got that one I posted witht he backtrace . But its hard to tell if thats when I went to the  ctrl-alt-2(qemu monitor) and did quit
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09:20.22oneforallwhats /usr/lib64/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so ?
09:20.42oneforallsome sesame 2 gane for kids :)
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09:20.50oneforallgane/game
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09:23.41pillumbad intel drivers :(
09:23.43pillumcrashed my kde
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09:33.25annmapillum: hmm never had any crash here on Intel
09:33.39annmabesides drivers would crash X
09:33.49pillumk, it crash X
09:33.51annmanot KDE alone
09:33.59annmawhat distro?
09:34.15pillumare you now satisfied? :D
09:34.19pillumno distro
09:34.28annmano distro? no wonder
09:34.34pillumfreebsd
09:34.42annmayou build Xorg and driver from source?
09:34.49pillumyes, I do
09:35.02annmaso you probably are doing something very wrong
09:35.17pillumI know
09:35.20annmacrashing X is quite bad enough
09:35.33pillumthere are so many things you can do wrong with "sudo make install clean" :D
09:35.47annmaI build KDE from source
09:35.53annmaI am not sudo though
09:35.55pillumme too
09:36.01annmaKDE does not need admin rights
09:36.09pillumneed sudo to install
09:36.16annmabut I don't build my stupid kernel, Xorg and drivers
09:36.22annmanot KDE
09:36.34pillumnot KDE?
09:36.38annmano, not KDE
09:36.46pillumwhat not KDE?
09:36.55annmadoes not need to be root to install
09:37.08pillumeverything needs to be root
09:37.33pillumexcept things which will be installed in $HOME
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09:37.45annmano
09:37.51annmathat's a misconception
09:37.51pillumyes
09:37.55annmaa bad one
09:38.11annmaanyway, I do not use a distro to build
09:38.18annmaor a bsd
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09:38.47pillummaybe linux user doesn't need to be root
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09:39.33vpilohi, running 4.3 beta1 here.. shouldn't the Plasma notifications *not* get focus nor appear in the alt-tab switching?
09:39.56pillumbut if I'm not root it says that I don't have sufficient permission
09:40.09annmapillum: anyway see with dfreebsd
09:40.21annmaI only speak froma  KDE devel point of view
09:40.34annmavpilo: tell me how to reproduce?
09:41.51vpiloannma: just have any app send a KNotification, like Kopete, KMess, KTorrent.. then alt-tab - I can see "Plasma Workspace" in the list, and kwin blurs/highlights it when i switch back and forth to it
09:42.05annmaI usenone of those
09:42.20annmaissue a bug report I guess
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09:42.44oneforallwell installing to the user or global is 2 diffrent things
09:42.55vpiloannma: do you use *no* apps which outputs notifications? :P
09:43.20annmaI guess yes
09:43.37vpiloannma: iirc it works with network applet's "you're (dis)?connected now" and powerdevil's "no more AC" notifications
09:44.12annmavpilo: so you mean I need to alt-tab the moment there's a notification?
09:44.17vpiloannma: yes
09:44.38vpiloannma: they're also stealing focus from the current application, now :s
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09:45.39vpiloannma: uh i just got another but it didn't steal focus this time, what the..
09:45.49annmaI don't get notifications
09:46.05annmaI am preparing this laptop for a talk & demos though
09:46.13annmaso I loked some stuff with kiosk
09:46.16annmalocked
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09:46.56annmaI did not get the notification when I unplugged
09:47.33oneforallwow thats weird I reopened it and that weird new thing , Desktop Folder opened and now its frozenn
09:47.51annmaouch reopend what?
09:47.58oneforallwhast with this desktop folder
09:48.00oneforallkde4
09:48.09annmayour install is messed
09:48.13annmatry a new user
09:48.19oneforallmaking the log from user and comparing :)
09:48.27annmalog?
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09:49.43oneforallno its fresh install but kde4 is freezing on me . user root don't matter . xfce works fine . I'll have to kill kvm and emu-system-x86_64 -hda /ho again and check the log
09:49.54oneforallyeah statx 2>&1 | tee logit :)
09:50.06oneforallwith the r too thou ;)
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09:55.27oneforallhttp://pastebin.ca/1423524 maybe some one else can see somethign
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09:57.39annmafresh install from what?
09:57.52annmawhat dies tro is taht
09:57.58annmawhat distro is taht
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09:58.06annmawhat distro is that oneforall
09:58.46annmaoneforall: distro please!
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09:59.12annmaslackware apparently
09:59.24annmawhat do they put in KDE
09:59.46oneforallmy own 64bit . based on slack yeah :)
10:00.02annmayour own???
10:00.18annmawhat do you mean by that?
10:00.31oneforallyeah I cross compiled to 64bit a couple of years ago now
10:00.43annmawhat the hell doe sthat mean
10:00.56annmayou cross compile what
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10:01.10annmamore precisely from your log
10:01.15oneforall32bit to 64bit
10:01.22annmakbuildsycoca4(3235) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Actions in "ServiceMenus/ark_addtoservicemenu.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
10:01.35annmawhat's this ServiceMenus/ark_addtoservicemenu.desktop
10:02.19annmathen is console-kit build?
10:02.32annmaread your log yourself and insvestigate about it
10:03.13annmasurely if you are so advanced to cross compile you can try to see about this output
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10:07.10oneforallyeah lookign at that now . part of kdeutill I see
10:08.13oneforalloh duh part of the ark app
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10:09.11oneforallI seen with 4.2.68 that a lot of the desktop files with the app finder scan tool were getting that error about the missing ;
10:09.25oneforallbut it never froze it :)
10:09.38pillumgn8
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10:12.06annmareally
10:12.21annmaoneforall: is this for your use only? or are you a packeger
10:13.07annmaif you're doing your own cooking I suggest you first build and test kdelibs and kdepimlibs and kdebase
10:13.19oneforallI package all yes and so far it for me . But I might release it
10:13.40annmaif you're a packager then you direct all your errors to the packagers mailing list
10:14.06annmabut first reinstall clean only kdelibs and kdebase (and their dependencies)
10:14.12annmasee if that works
10:14.33annmaif not, state clearly what does not work
10:14.49oneforallah sounds good . might be a diff in the order of install eh
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10:33.33emg-2Hi. If I want fresh version of KCacheGrind, I should use KDE?
10:33.45emg-2KCacheGrind is integrated in KDE? Is it called QCacheGrind now?
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10:36.49emg-2When will be KCacheGrind released?
10:36.55emg-2s/KCacheGrind/KDE 4/
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10:45.23emg-2:S
10:45.50annmaemg-2: it's in kdesdk
10:46.12annmabut your distributionshould provide it for you surely
10:46.15emg-2How it is called there? KCacheGrind, or QCacheGrind?
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10:46.33annmaso your question does not really make sense
10:46.47annmakcachegrind
10:47.28emg-2annma: I see that there are many commits to KCacheGrind in SVN. It's intensively developed. But there is no way to get fresh version without research and question like mine, because on KCacheGrind, there is still version 0.4.6, based on code from year 2005
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10:47.50emg-2s/on KCacheGrind/on KCacheGrind page/
10:48.15annmawhat distro?
10:48.29emg-2ie. official KCacheGrind package is from year 2005, whereas the code is actively developed. It looks like KCacheGrind sinked into KDE ;)
10:48.34emg-2annma: we use CentOS 5
10:48.44annmaKCacheGrind latest is released with KDE 4.3 beta1 which was released 2 days ago
10:48.48annmathat's latest
10:48.53emg-2ahm
10:48.57annmalatest stable is with KDE 4.2.3
10:49.05annmaso ask your distro to provide those
10:49.08emg-2I wonder how can I use it with CentOS 5
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10:49.27annmawhat KDE version has this CentOS?
10:49.53emg-2annma: 3.5
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10:50.14annmaso you can't have latest KDE apps as you'll get KDE 3.5 apps
10:50.29annmaeither upgrade or build from source
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10:50.51annmathere's no way to pull KDE4 at all?
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10:51.56emg-2annma: I'm searching right now
10:54.41annmawebsite is bad
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12:41.41ironfroggy_Using the Thumbnails Aside effect, is it possible to jump to the actual window or move/resize/close the thumbnails directly?
12:42.41XULienhi all, have someone who use kadressbook with openldap? cause i can read it but dont write :(
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12:46.21jmutkde 4. anyone experineced all of sudden  wipe out titles in bottom bar       http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7/buggykde.png
12:46.39jmutthis is second time this happens to me and only way to fix is restart :(
12:47.59annmajmut: fedora?
12:48.21jmutsidux -          you may say debian
12:48.28annmaok
12:48.34annmajust restart plasma
12:48.42jmuthow do I do this?
12:48.43annmain a terminal type
12:48.46annmakquitapp plasma
12:48.50annmathen
12:48.51annmaplasma &
12:49.11annmaI don't know a fix for it not to happen again
12:49.20jmutmirracle
12:49.22jmutthank you so much
12:49.28annmaif you have 4.2.2 you can update to 4.2.3
12:49.34jmutI will.. one of those days :D
12:49.39annma:) OK
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12:55.29white_pelicancan someone help me with a widget I would like to install in kde 4?
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12:57.19annmasure
12:57.52white_pelicanty
12:58.08white_pelicanok, I would like to download a widget from kde look
12:58.18white_pelicanit looks like i have to build it though
12:58.36annmacan you paste the URL here please?
12:58.38white_pelicando I use the standard procedure,? configure, make, make install?
12:58.43white_pelicansure
12:58.55white_pelicanhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+(Yet+Another+Weather+Plasmoid)?content=94106
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12:59.23annmawhite_pelican: look, you have install commands
12:59.30annmathe guy made an install script
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12:59.46annmatar -jxf yawp*
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13:00.08white_pelicanah, I see that now
13:00.09annmacd yawp*
13:00.11white_pelicanty annma
13:00.28annmawhat kde version do you have?
13:00.50white_pelicanI'm so used to downloading a deb (I'm using kubuntu) and installing it that way :)
13:00.56white_pelican4.2.3
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13:01.24annmaOK that's good
13:01.58white_pelicanI am waiting for them to make 4.3 beta 1 available
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13:04.12white_pelicanany improvement to kde 4 would be welcome
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13:04.34white_pelicanI'm still adjusting to using widgets and plasmoids
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13:14.45gr1m-lapis it true that 4.3 allows per display containments and virtual desktops?
13:15.02Jejem?
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13:15.59annmagr1m-lap: yes
13:16.05MoDaXgr1m-lap: 4.2 allows that, just option is hidden in config
13:16.17gr1m-lapwoohoo
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13:16.54annma4.3 set the option through GUI in dashboard
13:17.05MoDaXgr1m-lap: http://forum.kde.org/linking-activities-to-virtual-desktops-t-19397.html
13:17.24gr1m-lapI heard it was disabled in 4.2 because it was buggy.. which is not hard to believe as there are quite a few multi head bugs still in 4.2
13:17.59gr1m-lapavailable in the gui indicates the devs think it's stable now
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13:18.58Xzawsppl could anybody explain why do I get "grfical artifacts" in KDE4.2... sometimes small black squares appearss at random positions at Kate and Kiten
13:19.09Xzawshave not seem them at Konsole yet
13:19.41MoDaXXzaws: due to qt 4.5
13:19.43XzawsQT - 4.5 ( I need it for Kimpanel)
13:19.47Xzawsoh
13:19.50XzawsT_T
13:20.00Xzawsso I should just wait for patch
13:20.00gr1m-laphmm odd, I don't get those
13:20.22XzawsMoDaX, thx
13:20.36gr1m-lapwhat is kimpanel?
13:21.19XzawsQT face for SCIM and ibus
13:21.25XzawsQT4
13:21.58Xzawsmay be UIM would be supported soon
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13:39.30kgxis there any application in kde4.2 that minimizes applications to the system tray? i use kdocker on 3.5, but it doesn't work on 4.2
13:39.35kgx!kdocker
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13:53.13schafidoes anyone know if the plasma api is available online?
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13:55.50pinotreeschafi: http://api.kde.org
13:56.01schafipinotree: ah thanks alot
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14:04.09xxtjaxxhey people
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14:07.51MakkaPakkaJust installed kubuntu 9.x .. wtf happened to kscd? It's ugly and useless! It comes with 4 or 5 'skins' that are .. well .. dodgy. And the docs on kde.org are for the old kde3.x version. Anyone recommend a better CD player?
14:08.55annmadocs need people to write updates
14:09.05annmawhy is it useless? it does not play?
14:09.23annmaAmarok plays CDs and also Dragon player I think
14:09.46annmayup Dragon Player
14:09.58annmaMakkaPakka:  ^
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14:10.14MakkaPakkaThere's no indication of what track I'm playing and it no longer minimises into the thingo bar
14:10.17MakkaPakkalooks
14:11.08annmait displays tracks fo rme
14:11.25MakkaPakkagah! equally crap .. still no track numbers. How hard is it to create a CD player? I'd have expected bazillions
14:11.36annmalol
14:11.42annmano track numbers?
14:11.58root__<-- hi all -->
14:12.00MakkaPakka84 tracks on the CD. I need to know which one I'm playing
14:12.35Half-Leftkscs needs some artist love for sure :)
14:12.42Half-Leftkscd*
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14:13.41MakkaPakkaThe old one was just fine IIRC
14:14.08Half-Leftwell they have to port it
14:14.55Half-LeftAnd look for one on kde-apps.org if you're not satisfied
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14:15.41root__how to show the unmount parti. in hard disk from fedora
14:15.44schafiit's funny to see people still using cds in 2009 :-)
14:15.55Half-Lefthehe
14:16.13Half-LeftI just rip them with Audex
14:16.18CristianoFurtadoGood Morning. What the channel of kde brazil (portugueses)?
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14:16.33CristianoFurtadoI use Ekaaty Linux.
14:16.47MakkaPakkaAudio production .. these are CDs of stings and sweeps .. I could rip them, but I still need to look at the jacket every time I play them so it's kind of pointless
14:17.08MakkaPakkagives up and uses iTunes in vmware
14:17.14Half-Leftlol
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14:17.44Half-Lefttalk about exaggeration
14:17.47JucatoCristianoFurtado: #kde-brasil
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14:18.19schafiit's a pitty that kscd doesn't provides all features of itunes ... I understand your problem ... omg
14:18.20MakkaPakkaHalf-Left: not at all. no player I can find for kde gives me what I need and I have vmware open
14:18.33CristianoFurtadothanks Jucato
14:19.30FreakGuardkalendar storage fails... where to look for something useful to debug?
14:19.40BtbNIs it possible to configure KWrite/Kate so i can scroll down until the last line of text is at the top of the view?
14:20.07Half-LeftMakkaPakka: as I said, look in your repo, or get one from kde-apps.org or use the kde3 one, whats the bug issue?
14:20.49Half-Leftmaybe will email the kscd devs and do a Oxygen/Air theme for the player
14:20.52MakkaPakkaI took a look in the repo .. didn't seem to be much there thats kde. Some GTK stuff and plenty of CLI
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14:21.22Half-LeftWell use a gtk one then if you need to, it won't kill you
14:21.23MakkaPakkaI'll look at kde-apps .. but for now, vmware is getting me out of a pickle :-D
14:21.33ppzkdbhum small question...is it possible to force konqueror to understand the smb protocol (smb://) while both samba and konqueror have been setup separately?
14:22.21MakkaPakkaBut while I'm here .. how do I create a 'session' in kde4? The one from kde3 seems to still load, but has dificulty with some apps so I'd like to delete it and create a new one
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14:22.50BtbNppzkdb: If the samba kio_slave isn't installed, no kde-app will be able to use smb
14:23.09ppzkdbBtbN: I get an error message referring to kio_slave
14:23.19ppzkdbhow can I install or reinstall kio_slave?
14:24.20ppzkdb(i.e. is it possible at all?)
14:24.47BtbNppzkdb: build kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves with samba support enabled
14:25.28ppzkdbBtbN: is that the only option :( ? Unfortunately I am struggling with an EEEpc with Xandros on it. No build tools are setup
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14:25.56Peste_BubonicaHi all...
14:26.02BtbNIf you use a binary distribution, your distributor has to build it with samba enabled to make you able to use samba.
14:26.05Peste_Bubonicacan I set compression rate of formats using ARK ?
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14:36.36hobangood morning everyone.
14:37.22hobancan someone tell me why there are two instances of "kio_imap4" running whenever kmail is up which account for (collectively) 100% cpu usage?
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14:38.06hobandistro - archlinux, kde version - 4.2.2
14:39.10castingcrownsIs it possible in kmail to display indevidual emails as html? I know of setting Prefer html over text for a folder, but can i manually do this on a indevidual emal basis when i open it?
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14:40.59hobancastingcrowns, when you open the mail, it'll say at the top of the message that it is html and that if you like you can display it as intended instead of the raw html
14:41.05hobanyou just have to click on the link that it provides
14:42.24castingcrownshoban: I have seen than on some emails, bot others do not display this and all I see are html links all over the place.
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14:42.59hobancastingcrowns, html "links" or "tags"
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14:43.46hobanif the email looks like html, it should be treated as I mentioned above. If it's a message containing a bunch of URLs, it's not an html email and will be displayed as text...which happens to contain links
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14:43.54castingcrownshoban: well its got "   <http://www.whatever> all over the place
14:44.22hobancastingcrowns, yeah, that's just spam mail most likely...but that's not an html tag, that's just a url
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14:46.28castingcrownshoban: Its actually saved online purchase invoices.
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14:47.07castingcrownshoban: to view it, I have to enable "prefer html over text" for the folder, then open it...then dissable it when im done. I just want to do that but on an indevidual basis
14:47.14hobancastingcrowns, that's fine, but unless you see tags like <html><head>, etc. it's not html mial
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14:56.19castingcrownshoban: So do you know of a way to view individual emails as "prefer html over text" \
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14:56.34tbeadleI use mutt for my mail client and used to use kbiff (in kde3) to notify me of new mail.  Is there something similar for kde4?
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14:57.30hobancastingcrowns, it's always been automagic for me, sorry
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14:58.54Half-Lefttbeadle: Kmail does this but you can get other mail notification widgets or use the 'Incoming Messaging' widget
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14:59.24tbeadleok.  I'll take a look around.  thanks
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15:12.55tbeadleHalf-Left: I'm using maildir to store my mail and I can't seem to find any plasmoid that handles maildir.
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15:14.07Half-Lefttbeadle: I said kmail, didn't say anything about others, although there is a gmail third party one
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15:14.47tbeadlebut I don't want to use kmail as my client.  Can I just have it act as a notifier?
15:15.24Half-Leftonly for kmail
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15:28.48frojndhello there
15:29.27frojndI havea kde 4.2.3 When I change a theme. Only plasma changes, widgets and panel. But not all the other programs...
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15:29.30frojndwhy is that?
15:29.39thiago_homewhere do you change the theme?
15:29.44frojndI'd like to have a konqueror in a style like plasma is if I change a theme
15:30.15frojndthiago_home: right click on a wallpaper -> theme -> New theme install or dl and apply
15:30.24thiago_homeyou changed the plasma theme only
15:30.28thiago_homethat's why it applied to plasma
15:30.42frojndheh :)
15:30.51frojndwhere do I change the whole style
15:31.03thiago_homein system settings
15:31.06thiago_homebut that doesn't apply to plasma
15:31.19frojndplasma is apart from the system then
15:31.20frojndhm
15:31.38frojndhow would I sync both themes then. Plasma and all the system theme
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15:31.43thiago_homeyou can't
15:31.45frojndcouse the plasma theme is pretty nice
15:31.48frojndargh
15:31.58thiago_homeyou have to choose a theme for plasma and a theme for the rest
15:32.04thiago_homeyou can choose themes that look alike
15:32.12frojndthiago_home: hum
15:32.17thiago_homeI *think* the Aya theme for Plasma follows the system colours
15:32.33frojndOnly that I don't wanna have Aya :P
15:32.35nille__Is there a way to start an app like vlc so it doesn't let kde lock the session?
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15:32.58Half-Leftthiago_home: You're correct
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15:36.36thiago_homenille__: if you want to start vlc, start i t
15:37.25phobos_anomalyout of curiosity, should I be setting the prefix for kde4 to /usr?
15:37.45thiago_homephobos_anomaly: if you want to
15:38.17phobos_anomalythiago_home: I take it that it doesn't matter? I've just been letting it install to whereever is default.
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15:38.33thiago_homephobos_anomaly: well, it matters if you have a reason for choosing /usr
15:38.42thiago_homelike, for example, overwriting the system KDE 4
15:39.14phobos_anomalythiago_home: ah, ok. Thanks for answering my question.
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15:40.18frojndHum
15:40.25frojndI can't find system settings -> apperance
15:40.29frojndin kde 4.2.3
15:40.42CristianoFurtadotheir kde 4.3 beta 1 Rox
15:40.42frojndCan someone give me a tip where it's in kde 4 ?
15:42.03CristianoFurtadoin Ekaaty Linux in july.
15:42.11nille__thiago_home well the thing is that the old setting for "i'm alive" doesn't work so it locks the session after the time i set in the settings, that is fine but when i watch an movie i don't wan't kde to lock that session
15:43.20thiago_homenille__: ah, I see what you mean
15:43.28thiago_homesounds like a bug in the power management code in KDE
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16:10.27Half-LeftMakkaPakka: I'm looking into kscd, you've brought up a good point
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16:22.04tas0sHalf-left,SSJ_GZ: Hi!
16:22.09tas0slast night I upgrade to kde-svn to see if it would change anything.
16:22.14tas0sand guess what :P
16:22.25tas0snow everything runs fine!:):)
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16:22.41tas0sno high xorg memory usage
16:23.00tas0sright now it is below 40MB!
16:23.19tas0sI can stick with kde again! :)
16:23.26tas0sThank you very much again!
16:23.51Half-Lefttas0s: Good, but unless the changelog says that bug has been fixed you may just be lucky :)
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16:31.02opethhey ppl i m havin a problem , on my network i can only use internet of Dc++ at one time
16:31.42opethso when i go online i cannot use Dc++ even after using "adsl-stop " and then starting it agian with "adsl-start"
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16:32.47opethu want my ifconfig ?
16:32.57nille__ohh then i'm clueless
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17:20.52chekohello! is there a known problem with kwin/composite, kde 4.3 beta and nvidia blob driver?
17:21.29chekowith 4.2.2 everything is fine, but with 4.3 beta the xserver dies directly, when i activate composite
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17:30.21Jucatoalanhaggai: I think the closest is using kdialog --passivepopup
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17:34.00linuxnewbieI am trying to install a package that is dependant on files in the /lib64 directory
17:34.14Jucatolinuxnewbie: it would be best to ask in the channel of your distro
17:34.16linuxnewbieI don't know how to get rpm to use them
17:34.30linuxnewbieoh, ok tnx
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17:39.54CJoniusHello, I am using oS 11.1 kde 4.2.2. I have been locked by my own system in every few minutes (sometime 1 to 5). Is there any specific bug for that? on Configure settings, I've set no locking but no response.
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17:41.35GeorgererHi there, will KDE 4.3 auto mount external drives and usb sti ks?
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18:49.35ambro951Hi, I noticed the context menu suddenly stopped working in a Konsole window. Anyone else seen that?
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18:51.31annma_reinstall konsole maybe
18:52.40ambro951annma_: there's nothing wrong with the install; and it's rare, only happens after a windows has been open for hours; new windows aren't affected
18:53.11annma_weird I have konsole for hours here
18:53.20annma_and I never lost it
18:53.25ambro951it happened before also
18:53.31annmabefore what?
18:53.40ambro951a month ago
18:53.48ambro951it affects all tabs in a window
18:54.04ambro951everything but the context menu works
18:55.08hallownameambro951: second that. on trunk of 3 days.
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18:55.24ambro951hallowname: I'm using 4.2.3
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18:56.44hallownameambro951: odd. ahh, im on an ubuntu compiled trunk under debian. abi flippancy i guess.
18:58.29ambro951I'm on Gentoo with Qt 4.4; it's a real bug, not an abi problem.
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18:59.57hallownameambro951: nasty nasty... poke some bored developers ;)
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19:12.41hobancan someone tell me why there are two instances of "kio_imap4" running whenever kmail is up which account for (collectively) 100% cpu usage?
19:12.45hobandistro - archlinux, kde version - 4.2.2
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19:19.03ninixhi, I think my "automount" device  is disabled, how can I re-enable it
19:19.18ninix(like cdrom, usb-key)
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19:26.36pillumis hotplugging disabled?
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19:26.40pillumshow me you xorg.conf
19:26.41WMPhi
19:26.47pillumhi, WMP  ;)
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19:27.13WMPi have QT 4.5.0 and KDE 4.2.2 and i have this problem(screenshot) http://wstaw.org/p/8c2e/
19:27.26pillum:(
19:27.35pillumI have this problem, too
19:27.39WMPthis is kate, but i have this same problem on okular
19:27.46WMPpillum: :(
19:27.48pillumif you mark the text
19:27.56WMPpillum: you have kubuntu?
19:27.57pillumdoes this thing go away?
19:28.00pillumno
19:28.02pillumfreebsd
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19:28.20WMPpillum: yes, whan i mark text this go away
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19:28.31WMPooo, 4.2.3 is out ;)
19:28.33pillumsame happens to me
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19:28.38pillumi have 4.2.3
19:28.45WMPshit...
19:29.12pillumand 4.3.0 beta1 (should be 4.2.86) is already out
19:29.36WMPand, this bug in 4.3.0 is fix?
19:29.41pillumdon't know
19:29.48phobospillum: this is what my system shows KDE 4.2.86 (KDE 4.2.86 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090514))
19:29.56ninix<PROTECTED>
19:30.30pillumphobos: why do you write that? :D
19:31.28pillumninix: I think there is not only one setting for it
19:31.31phobosSadly, I didn't write it, it comes out of system info on konversation
19:32.39pillumninix: What are your settings in the section "ServerFlags" in your xorg configuration file?
19:33.03pillumIs there an "AutoAddDevices" option?
19:34.12pillumphobos: You said you have 4.30. So, do you have the same problem like me and WMP ?
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19:34.28WMPpillum: I have 4.2.2
19:34.37phobosWhich problem are you talking about?
19:34.51WMPpillum: I thing - this bug is QT
19:35.03pillumI think that too
19:35.19WMPphobos: http://wstaw.org/p/8c2e/
19:35.21pillumBut maybe KDE 4.3 uses a newer version of QT4?
19:35.52pillumWMP: Which video card do you use?
19:36.03WMPpillum: intel
19:36.07pillumme too
19:36.08WMPi945
19:36.10phobospillum: which version of qt did you use?
19:36.11pillumme too
19:36.18phobosor did you use a distro package?
19:36.26pillumso it should be an intel driver problem
19:36.35WMPphobos: i use kde 4.2.2 from kubuntu 9.04
19:36.40pillumWMP: which version do you use? (intel driver)
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19:36.57WMPpillum: how to check it?
19:37.20pillumlook in you distros pkg management
19:37.22phobosWMP: that has to be a *buntu or intel issue. I'm on nvidia and debian without that kind of corruption.
19:37.50pillumphobos: I don't use ubuntu.
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19:38.20phobospillum: it probably is an intel issue then. Which chip do you have? 910/915? 945?
19:38.24pillum945
19:38.29phoboshmm
19:38.30pillumlike WMP
19:38.34WMPpillum: 2:2.7.0-1
19:38.52phobospillum: have you tried compiling the latest intel driver?
19:38.58pillumi have 2.7.1
19:39.08pillumshould be the latest driver
19:39.17pillumninix: you're there?
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19:40.49WMPok, I go to my source code, please write me when we think what is this
19:40.59pillumit is intel
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19:41.19pillumor Mesa
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19:41.40pillumIt's the only similarity we have.
19:47.25pillumWMP: mesa version?
19:47.35sheytanHi everyone. I already were on #kubuntu, but I like share my ideas. So here is another one: kubuntu's home page mockup: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2009/05/strona-domowa-kubuntu-mockup.html Whad do ya say?
19:48.36WMPpillum: Wersja: 7.4-0ubuntu3.1
19:49.02pillumI've just installed the newest version
19:49.09WMPyhy
19:49.23pillumwhat?
19:49.45WMPnone
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19:50.35pillumas yet I didn't get this mess-up
19:51.21WMPmy kubuntu have only security updates
19:51.41pillumWMP: 7.4.2 is an bugfix
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19:51.56pillumyou don't get bugfixes?
19:52.26WMPpillum: I don't know
19:52.50pillumyou did look if there is a newer version of mesa?
19:53.07WMPI havent new wersion
19:53.11WMPversion*
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19:55.51pillumSo, either you download the source and update it manually or you wait or maybe mesa 7.4.2 is not the solution
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19:58.05doitux|mobhi. is there any useable kde4-ftp-client available?
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20:02.52pillumstill got the same error with mesa 7.4.2 :(
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20:03.43Half-Leftdoitux|mob: yer, Dolphin or Konqueror :p
20:03.48pillumdoitux|mob: filezilla isn't a kde4 application, but it isn't bad
20:05.30abadger1999Hi, I'm running kde-4.2.3 on Fedora and I've found that my kickoff menus aren't being updated automatically when I add/remove programs using my package manager.
20:05.42pillumthen use kappfinder
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20:06.06abadger1999I just switched from gnome to kde so there's likely something I don't have installed or configured right
20:06.09pillumor maybe kbuildsycoca4
20:06.31abadger1999pillum: <nod>  I ran that manually and it updated the menus.
20:07.08abadger1999pillum: But then I went looking for why it's not being done automatically... and it *is* being invoked automatically.
20:07.24abadger1999Just kickoff doesn't see the changes unless I run it manually.
20:08.02abadger1999Trying to figure out why that might be/if there's something I should do differently.
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20:14.47Guest56756helllo
20:14.54Guest56756is any one here
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20:15.47Guest56756is this a chat
20:15.50Guest56756?
20:15.54Guest56756hello
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20:16.48abadger1999Guest56756: yes.  If you have a question just ask
20:17.00Guest56756okay
20:17.06Guest56756lets see
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20:17.19Guest56756i have installed window maker
20:17.26Guest56756in fedora 9
20:17.31Guest56756however
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20:17.44Guest56756i couldn't start it
20:18.00Guest56756every time i want to
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20:18.28Guest56756it doesn't appear in the menu
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20:19.13Guest56756any know how to solve it
20:19.17Guest56756?
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20:19.27pillumsolve what?
20:19.52Guest56756adding window maker as one of my sessions
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20:20.22Guest56756in fedora 9
20:20.39BullFrogHello, I'm looking for a KDE 4.x - based distro with decent package management. Might any of you have something to recommend?
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20:21.01Guest56756fedora 10
20:21.12Half-LeftBullFrog: Fedora11 KDe version
20:21.13Guest56756okay pillum
20:21.23abadger1999Guest56756: Most window managers don't show up in the menus.
20:21.39BullFrogI don't recall Fedora having much in the way of decent package management. What's changed?
20:22.03abadger1999BullFrog: I guess it depends on what you're looking for by "decent package management" ;-)
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20:22.50BullFrogYeah, I ought to have been less vague. I was referring to something that'll easily sort out my dependencies for me.
20:23.36abadger1999Like I want to install koffice-krita, please install that and all its dependencies?
20:23.56abadger1999On Fedora that would be "yum install koffice-krita"
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20:24.28gusfierroi am back
20:24.53BullFrogOh, it's got an apt-get equivalent? That should be easy enough to deal with (I haven't used Fedora for ages). Does it happen to have a decent front end for this YUM tool as well?
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20:25.36gusfierroso is there any way to add window maker in the session menu?
20:25.42abadger1999BullFrog: Yeah.  yum is the equivalent of apt-get.  There's a couple GUI front-ends.
20:25.53gusfierroi am using fedora 9
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20:26.07gusfierroand gnome as the default wm
20:26.21abadger1999BullFrog: KPackageKit and the gnome version are the default GUI versions I think.
20:26.52BullFrogI see, thanks for the tip.
20:28.06gusfierrommmm
20:28.55gusfierrohello every one
20:29.38gusfierro<PROTECTED>
20:29.43abadger1999gusfierro: Are you running kde Fedora or gnome Fedora right now?
20:30.01gusfierroi am running gnome
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20:30.23gusfierrobut i want to change it into gnu step window maker
20:30.44gusfierronop
20:30.52abadger1999gusfierro: Ah.  So if you want to run that and just change the window manager to windowmaker, probably better to ask on #fedora.
20:31.12gusfierrothank you
20:31.15abadger1999np
20:31.33gusfierroi have never used konversation before
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20:33.18BullFrogHas Konversation been ported to QT4, by the way?
20:33.31pillumis there a way to use xwinwrap with KDE4?
20:33.39Half-LeftNo because I'm using it now :p
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20:33.56Sho_BullFrog: yup
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20:34.11Half-LeftSho_: What would you know?
20:34.16Half-Leftruns off
20:34.24Sho_:)
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20:34.51abadger1999Looks like the kickoff thing isn't a race condition.
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20:36.50abadger1999rpm -e gazpacho (note that kbuildsycoca --incremental runs via ps); (note that gazpacho is still present in the menu) ; rpm -e twitux (kbuildsyscoca invoked automatically here as well)
20:37.04abadger1999... and gazpacho is still in the menu.
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20:44.55KnatI'm using KDE 4.1, and xscreensaver,  id like to set a flash video to be my screensaver, the tutorials ive found tell me to edit .xscreensaver, but this file doesnt exist, has anyone gotten this to work?
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20:49.18insulinahello , i am trying to compile kde-baseworkspace and i am getting this error http://www.nopaste.org/p/ahNFhNU4lb
20:49.37insulinadoes anyone knows why ? what should i do ?
20:49.50gusfierrodoes any one know were the window maker chanel is
20:49.52gusfierro?
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21:15.03pilluminsulina: /Files/Compile/Sources/kdebase-workspace-4.2.3/_build/kcontrol/access/../../../kcontrol/access/kaccess.h:15:30: error: Phonon/MediaObject: No such file or directory
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21:15.21pillumyou have phonon installed?
21:16.15pillumKnat: read the man pages
21:16.34insulina_yes , i have phonon installed
21:16.46pillumthere should be ~/.xscreensaver
21:18.27pilluminsulina: you're sure there is a Phonon/MediaObject in you include directory/path?
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21:20.03insulina_pillum: how i make sure ?
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21:21.00pillumfirst look where Phonon/MediaObject is
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21:21.43insulina_i have a mediaobject.h
21:22.19pillumin the directory Phono?
21:22.21pillum*n
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21:24.11insulina_yes, in the include directory
21:24.18fabrice_hi, could you please help me on kmail ? i have a lot of my mails classified under an 'unknown' status (day of the week)
21:24.31insulina_what is that object , is a .so a lib ?
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21:24.59pillum.so is a lib (shared object)
21:25.27pilluminsulina: is there a libkde4 or libkde4-devel package you didn't installed?
21:25.29insulina_i have libphonon installed and header files too
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21:25.59pillumyou said you have mediaobject.h
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21:26.10pillumbut it wants MediaObject
21:26.17insulina_yes , i dont have installed kde-libs and kde-devel ...
21:26.25insulina_must installe it first rigth ?
21:26.31pillumseems so
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21:26.47pillumor maybe  libphonon-dev
21:26.53pillumsomething like that
21:27.09phobosinsulina_: what distro are you on?
21:27.14pillumhowever google says any packages are missing
21:27.26insulina_gobolinux
21:27.37phobosNever heard of that one. Is it debian based?
21:28.07insulina_no is from lfs , linux from scratch is a source based distro now , because it start as binary distro
21:28.32phobosah
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21:29.18pillumuses a filesystem hierarchy similiar to windows
21:31.18insulina_humm, yes if you are talking about programs going to only one folder ...
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21:33.10insulina_it is cool distro , i am just avarage joe and i was able to start compiling the lates kde :D
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21:37.15pillumKDE 4.3.0 beta1 is the latest kde :)
21:37.55insulina_4.3.2 ? isnt ?
21:38.29insulina_got to go, tx for the help
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21:40.24caotichow can i restar audio devices in 4.2
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21:42.14MichelFX2Hello, somebofy can help me to install this theme? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kara++(Bespin)?content=102715 Please
21:42.22MichelFX2somebody*
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21:43.09hyper_chhow can I prevent the screensaver to kick in when watching a video?
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21:45.34pillumhyper_ch: you use vlc?
21:45.45pillumMichelFX2: what's the problem?
21:46.09dvlUnder KDE 3, can I disable the anyone know how to disable the tap feature on the eeepc 1000he?  My mother keep selecting/double clicking stuff by accident.  Best to disable it I think.
21:46.13hyper_chpillum: kaffeine, vlc, smplayer
21:46.14dvloops.
21:46.25dvlUnder KDE 3, anyone know how to disable the tap feature on the eeepc 1000he?  My mother keep selecting/double clicking stuff by accident.  Best to disable it I think.
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21:46.59MichelFX2I got this error :   Could NOT find QtCore header
21:49.52MichelFX2What ditros have KDe 4.2 default?
21:50.23pillumhyper_ch: there is an "Inhibit the power management daemon during playback" in vlc
21:51.32hyper_chpillum: where would that be?
21:52.35pillumhyper_ch: set show settings to All - > then in advanced
21:52.39pillumperfomance options
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21:53.08hyper_chpillum: in vlc?
21:53.18hyper_chah, ok
21:53.40pillumfound?
21:53.49hyper_chyeah
21:54.14pillumgut
21:55.11hyper_chhow to attach the toolbar again to the video window?
21:56.00pillumwhich toolbar?
21:56.14hyper_chthat new interface control is seperated fromt he video
21:57.24pillumgo in preferences
21:57.31pillum-> video->general video settings
21:57.40pillumcheck embedded video
21:58.37hyper_chit is checked
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22:03.05pillumhyper_ch: which distro?
22:03.18hyper_chpillum: kubuntu jaunty 64bit
22:03.19pillumhyper_ch: and which vlc version?
22:03.43hyper_ch0.9.9a
22:03.57pillumThis is a known bug. It is told that this bug does not exist version 1.0.0, but it is still a beta.
22:04.07hyper_chok
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22:04.51pillumhyper_ch: here is a guide to install vlc 1.0.0 on ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7138708&postcount=6
22:06.11hyper_chwhat a complicated guide
22:06.20hyper_chI guess I'll add that ppa to my sources.list generator
22:06.57hyper_chthx for the link
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22:11.41hyper_chpillum: you're also on *buntu?
22:11.44pillumno
22:11.49pillumwhy?
22:11.58pillumneed help or what?
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22:12.48hyper_chpillum: just curious because you knew of that ppa
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22:17.20pillumhyper_ch: that's not my guide :)
22:17.32hyper_ch:)
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22:20.54hyper_chpillum: now it works again :)
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22:21.28pilluminstalled vlc 1.0.0?
22:21.45hyper_chyeah, and added the repo to my generator tool :)
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22:27.22hyper_chpillum: screensaver still kicks in
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22:39.47pillumhyper_ch: Preferences > Video,  the option "Disable screensaver"
22:40.16hyper_chpillum: also checked
22:40.47cjaehello, I have kde 4.2.3 installed, I was stupid and forgot to turn on lock widgets, how many I get my panel back to original? I would like to not have to use rm -rf ~/.kde
22:40.58hyper_chpillum: so, I'm off to bed
22:41.23pillumgn8
22:41.28hyper_chcjae: why back to original?
22:43.39cjaehyper_ch, I have different themes and such installed, but the layout is almost identical to original it seems that everything is just to far left
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22:44.10cjaehyper_ch, like I do not have any place to put my open windows
22:44.36hyper_chcjae: not sure what you mean but good luck.. I'm off to bed
22:44.53cjaeit goes K then /home folder icon then the workspaces
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22:45.21dowdle_acerQuick question.... in KDE 4.2.x how do I get a titlebar back on a window if I turned it off?  I don't have a titlebar to access the titlebar menu.
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22:45.47cjaeplasma dashboard then startup icons get 1/3 of panel and time gets rest
22:45.53pillumwhich window?
22:45.55pillumdolphin?
22:45.58Half-Leftdowdle_acer:
22:46.05Half-Leftdowdle_acer: Task Manager?
22:46.07pillumCTRL+M
22:46.22dowdle_acerHalf-Left: Thanks!
22:46.35hyper_chcjae: add the task manager widget
22:46.43pillum??
22:46.45dowdle_acerpillum: Control M is for the menubar.
22:47.24pillumand how did you disable the title bar?
22:48.12dowdle_acerHmmm, the titlebar on/off isn't listed in the taskbar entry menu. :(
22:48.52dowdle_acerpillum: Right click on titlebar, Advanced, No border
22:48.53pillumis there no window decoration?
22:49.12cjaehyper_ch, how would that work? I just need something to reset panel back to proper layout as it is with the oxygen theme
22:49.15pillumalt+f3
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22:49.33dowdle_acerpillum: Thank you, alt-f3 worked.
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22:54.29cjaeok heres what I mean it is the desktop on the left   http://www.picturepush.com/host.php?image=1729605
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22:55.12cjaeI need to make everything push back to the left on my panel
22:56.31pillumI don't unterstand what you mean :(
22:56.46pillumyou want what?
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22:58.46Half-Left4.3 has dynamic spacers, so you can put stuff in the panel where you want
22:59.49Half-LeftOr should I say flexible ones
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23:21.38mitch00is there a place in systemsettings that effects autorun when waking up from a suspend to ram?
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23:26.28cjaeI owe hyper_ch an apology, he had the right plasmoid widget in mind, so if someone could pass that along.
23:26.33marko_dmitch00: that is not autorun
23:27.03marko_dit is the apps that you have used before clicking the suspend button
23:27.05cjaeWow, is there a lot of weird names for these widgets
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23:43.58k_wolfhi guys. Is there a way to reset the plama panel? (that wich KDE logo where we launch apps)
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