| 00:00.16 | PhrkOnLsh | # Removal requested on 2009-03-19. |
| 00:00.17 | PhrkOnLsh | # Deleted on 2009-03-19 by Jonathan Riddell |
| 00:00.19 | PovAddict | nobody expects the SpanishInquisitr |
| 00:00.19 | PhrkOnLsh | needs KDE 3 |
| 00:00.53 | PovAddict | installs python-opensync and stares at the documentation-less library |
| 00:01.14 | PovAddict | not a single line of doc |
| 00:03.10 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
| 00:03.31 | PovAddict | it seems to be just a SWIG wrapper around the C libs, so I could use the documentation for the C libs, I guess |
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| 00:05.03 | PovAddict | http://www.opensync.org/wiki/plugins/python-module |
| 00:05.05 | PovAddict | documentation! |
| 00:05.07 | PovAddict | (uh huh) |
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| 00:09.01 | PovAddict | I thought using Python would make things easier |
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| 00:09.20 | PovAddict | using python with *this* python binding will make things harder than using assembly with the C API |
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| 00:10.18 | SpanishInquisitr | There wouldn't happen to be a way to tell KDE apps to print even/odd pages, would there? |
| 00:10.48 | PovAddict | um, yes |
| 00:11.13 | PovAddict | are you actually spanish? |
| 00:11.20 | NaCl | No. :P |
| 00:11.32 | PovAddict | ok, then I'll start an app in English before taking a screenshot |
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| 00:12.43 | pkjaskjdfskafd | anyone knowledgeable in cmake? |
| 00:12.52 | PovAddict | I am, but I'm doing three things at once atm |
| 00:13.31 | pkjaskjdfskafd | well, when i do make after generating the required cmake files, it builds the target fine |
| 00:13.37 | PovAddict | also, no knowledge of CMake with KDE |
| 00:13.38 | pkjaskjdfskafd | but when i do make it, technically, it shouldnt build |
| 00:13.48 | pkjaskjdfskafd | when i do make again* |
| 00:13.54 | pkjaskjdfskafd | but it keeps rebuilding |
| 00:14.11 | pkjaskjdfskafd | this is not related to cmake with kde, just cmake in genera |
| 00:14.12 | pkjaskjdfskafd | heh |
| 00:14.18 | PovAddict | then #cmake |
| 00:14.22 | pkjaskjdfskafd | channel is dead |
| 00:14.27 | pkjaskjdfskafd | :( |
| 00:14.47 | PovAddict | ok I can't figure out how to start a single KDE app in another language :/ |
| 00:15.19 | NaCl | PovAddict: is it in the print dialog itself? |
| 00:15.33 | PovAddict | yes |
| 00:15.39 | PovAddict | there's a button called [Options >>] |
| 00:15.47 | NaCl | Clicked it. |
| 00:16.04 | PovAddict | Page selection, Page set: [All pagesâ] |
| 00:16.14 | PovAddict | that drop-down menu has all pages, even pages, odd pages |
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| 00:17.41 | NaCl | I don't see it here. |
| 00:18.11 | PovAddict | http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/kde-print-dialog.png |
| 00:19.00 | NaCl | Yeah. I don't see it. I'm using KDE 4.2.2, by the way. |
| 00:19.12 | PovAddict | 3.5 here |
| 00:19.23 | NaCl | And that's probably why. |
| 00:19.46 | PovAddict | see, that's why I don't want to upgrade (I'm still on Ubuntu Hardy!), there's features missing, and not enough features added to make me want it |
| 00:20.21 | NaCl | Feature request time, I presume? |
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| 00:24.39 | PovAddict | damned konversation |
| 00:24.57 | PovAddict | IRC connection drops, "ping delay" starts going up in the status bar... |
| 00:25.04 | PovAddict | and I can't force the connection closed to reconnect |
| 00:25.21 | PovAddict | I have to either wait a whole TWO MINUTES for the connection to timeout, or quit and restart Konversation |
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| 00:25.33 | Sho_ | PovAddict: Upgrade to v1.1 |
| 00:25.45 | PovAddict | File -> Disconnect sends a QUIT command to the IRC server, fat lot of good that does |
| 00:26.03 | PhrkOnLsh | why isn't konversation ported to kde4 yet? |
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| 00:26.06 | NaCl | PovAddict: xchat works pretty well, from my experience, but I am using irssi right now |
| 00:26.22 | PovAddict | Sho_: I really can't be bothered to compile it from source |
| 00:26.26 | allyourrejects | quassel doesn't work well |
| 00:26.36 | Sho_ | NaCl: There is no need for him to switch to xchat, the problem he has is fixed in v1.1 |
| 00:26.38 | PovAddict | just checked hardy-backports, 1.1 not there |
| 00:26.43 | allyourrejects | i suspect they quassel is suppose to replace konversation |
| 00:26.55 | PovAddict | if I work on upgrading to 1.1, I'll be doing *four* things at once |
| 00:27.00 | Sho_ | Quassel is not "supposed to replace Konversation" |
| 00:27.03 | NaCl | Sho_: gotcha. |
| 00:27.05 | allyourrejects | ok |
| 00:27.13 | Sho_ | Quassel has nothing to do with KDE, it's its own project |
| 00:27.31 | PovAddict | $ nc irc.freenode.net 8001 |
| 00:27.41 | Sho_ | PhrkOnLsh: A work-in-progress KDE 4 port of Konversation is in /branches/work/konvi-kde4, with a beta coming soon. Many people use it already, however. |
| 00:27.46 | powtrix | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tips and Tricks&pagenum=3 what I need to change to run that on KDE 4.2.2? |
| 00:27.49 | allyourrejects | its not very good stability wise, so i did wonder |
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| 00:28.42 | [A2K] | Hi. I have problems with clipboard in kopete. |
| 00:29.02 | [A2K] | in kopete i can paste only text that was copied from chat window |
| 00:29.06 | Sho_ | powtrix: Well, Konversation 1.1 is from early August 2008, so it's not exactly a bleeding edge version and presumably most Konvi users are on 1.1 nowadays rather than 1.0.1 |
| 00:29.12 | Sho_ | sorry, wrong nick |
| 00:29.17 | [A2K] | for example, i can not paste something from borwser |
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| 00:29.22 | Sho_ | PovAddict: Well, Konversation 1.1 is from early August 2008, so it's not exactly a bleeding edge version and presumably most Konvi users are on 1.1 nowadays rather than 1.0.1 |
| 00:29.43 | Sho_ | PovAddict: A third option is to close the connection tab rather than restart the app, btw - but anyway, this is fixed properly in 1.1 |
| 00:29.47 | PovAddict | I guess I should bug ubuntu packagers, but I doubt they'll care to bring newer software into hardy |
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| 00:30.18 | tame | hi. im looking for weather plasmoids. do all plasmoids have to be compiled? |
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| 01:03.13 | drupin-alias | how can i get my dhcp on.. i wan configure local home network |
| 01:03.31 | Rasi | thats hardly a kde question |
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| 01:04.17 | drupin | sorry |
| 01:04.42 | drupin | rais.. i need kelp in kpp |
| 01:04.48 | drupin | rais.. i need help in kpp |
| 01:05.05 | drupin | Rasi. i need help in kpp |
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| 01:20.36 | apparmor | how to make the "Task Manager" in the panel show icon only ? KDE 4.2,opensuse 11.1 |
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| 01:27.40 | Rasi | apparmor: get stasks plasmoid |
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| 01:32.10 | Caldavien_ | Hello, I hope this isnt a dumb questio, but Im somewhat new to linux(only a few months) and very knew to kde |
| 01:32.21 | maazu | i am listening |
| 01:32.32 | Caldavien_ | I recently installed ubuntu 9.4 and then the kubuntu packages |
| 01:32.33 | maazu | Caldavien_: distro> |
| 01:32.49 | maazu | Caldavien_: oops, can be of help since my distro is fedora |
| 01:32.53 | Caldavien_ | now im trying to set up my desktop and add new themes |
| 01:33.24 | Caldavien_ | maazu, is themeing distro specific? |
| 01:33.29 | Rasi | no |
| 01:33.34 | Caldavien_ | ok |
| 01:34.18 | maazu | Caldavien_ Rasi: are your taskbars bluish? still black? |
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| 01:34.53 | Caldavien_ | I changed the color of my taskbar, its still black but different than when I started |
| 01:35.23 | Rasi | Caldavien_: the taskbar is a plasma element |
| 01:35.31 | Rasi | you need to install plasma themes to change it |
| 01:36.01 | maazu | mine was black until kpackageit updates, then it turned blue |
| 01:36.01 | Caldavien_ | Is there an easy way to import new themes/widow decorations into kde? Ive been at kde-look.org and Im having trouble |
| 01:36.02 | Rasi | right click desktop -> desktop settings (appearance settings) |
| 01:36.02 | Rasi | then click on get new themes |
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| 01:36.15 | Rasi | Caldavien_: for window decorations its not that easy i'm afraid |
| 01:36.18 | Rasi | you need to compile them |
| 01:36.19 | Caldavien_ | Ive compiled one window decoration but it shows up in widget themes and others install instructions either dont make sense or referenced files not inb the tar |
| 01:36.24 | maazu | heh, i didn't need to right click, system updates changes my taskbar color |
| 01:36.28 | Rasi | but i guess ubuntu has the most important ones |
| 01:36.40 | Rasi | (being bespin, skulpture and qtcurve) |
| 01:37.22 | drupin | hey i need help in kpp |
| 01:37.43 | drupin | i wan develop custum code |
| 01:37.53 | drupin | i wan develop custom code |
| 01:37.55 | Rasi | Caldavien_: which one was it |
| 01:38.26 | Caldavien_ | Rasi, which one showed up in widgets or wich one referenced files not there? |
| 01:38.26 | drupin | kpp for usb dialer.. |
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| 01:38.42 | Rasi | Caldavien_: i mean what theme you wanted to have |
| 01:38.46 | Rasi | on kde-look |
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| 01:40.56 | Caldavien_ | Rasi, I was trying to get a window decoration named domino and one called Skulpture |
| 01:41.20 | Rasi | skulpture is sure shipped with ubuntu? |
| 01:42.05 | Rasi | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kde-style-skulpture |
| 01:42.07 | Rasi | it is |
| 01:42.33 | Rasi | its in universe repo |
| 01:42.48 | Rasi | get it via "add/remove software" |
| 01:43.07 | Jucato | Domino isn't available for KDE 4, only KDE 3 |
| 01:43.13 | Rasi | Jucato: not true |
| 01:43.18 | Rasi | the window decoration got ported |
| 01:43.25 | Rasi | not the style tho |
| 01:43.45 | Jucato | ah meh... I didn't really care much for the windeco so I don't follow it's development. I've gpot |
| 01:43.59 | Jucato | I've got "Domino = awesome style, sucky windeco" stuck in my head ;) |
| 01:44.14 | Rasi | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Domino?content=95595 |
| 01:44.28 | Rasi | Jucato: yes.. i am missing the style |
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| 01:45.41 | Jucato | ah I see. the port of the windeco was done not by the original. so I didn't know about it |
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| 01:55.06 | kadaver_ | how do I get started with contributing to KDE? |
| 01:55.35 | Rasi | that depends on what you are good at :) |
| 01:55.44 | maazu | kadaver_: kde.org where there are documentations and tutorials |
| 01:56.07 | apparmor | such as solve the problem hr for ppl, it is contribution |
| 01:56.08 | Jucato | http://techbase.kde.org |
| 01:56.24 | kadaver_ | hr ppl? |
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| 01:56.35 | muh2000 | hi |
| 01:56.45 | apparmor | kadaver_: do you know how to make the "task manager" show icon only ? |
| 01:57.17 | PovAddict | kadaver_: ppl = people, hr = human resources I think |
| 01:57.20 | Jucato | apparmor: not with the default task manager. <Rasi> apparmor: get stasks plasmoid |
| 01:57.21 | kadaver_ | i know c,haskell,python,java,C++ |
| 01:57.30 | PovAddict | kadaver_: well go and fix a bug |
| 01:57.41 | kadaver_ | you go and fix your bugs yourself! |
| 01:57.42 | apparmor | plasmoid ? |
| 01:57.53 | Jucato | apparmor: "applet" or "widget" on the panel/desktop |
| 01:58.01 | apparmor | ok |
| 01:58.04 | Jucato | the task manager is just an applet on the panel |
| 01:58.07 | muh2000 | i try to install additional plasmoids, but there is an error message that it fails :( |
| 01:58.22 | Rasi | apparmor: i told you already |
| 01:58.22 | Jucato | it can be moved/replaced by something else, like stasks (which has that feature you're looking for) |
| 01:58.25 | Rasi | why dont you read |
| 01:58.30 | apparmor | : ) |
| 01:58.40 | apparmor | ya, I was away just now, thx |
| 01:58.41 | Jucato | Rasi: not everyone knows what "plasmoids" are at first glance... |
| 01:58.53 | Jucato | but he coudl have missed it too :) |
| 01:58.59 | Jucato | (which is why I quoted you) |
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| 01:59.36 | Rasi | well stasks plasmoid is #1 hit at google :) |
| 01:59.42 | Rasi | anyway |
| 01:59.51 | Rasi | apparmor: try it, its nice |
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| 02:00.09 | apparmor | but I can not find it in the "Add WIdgets" |
| 02:00.17 | Rasi | you need to install it |
| 02:00.25 | Rasi | maybe your distribution ships it |
| 02:00.27 | Rasi | maybe not |
| 02:00.33 | Jucato | (more precisely, either compile it for find a package for your distro) |
| 02:00.33 | Rasi | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/STasks?content=99739 |
| 02:01.04 | apparmor | can not find in "Get Hot New Stuff - Plasma WOrkspaces" |
| 02:01.15 | Jucato | yes, you can't |
| 02:01.24 | Jucato | because it's not something that can be installed that way |
| 02:01.55 | Rasi | apparmor: what distribution? |
| 02:01.56 | apparmor | I think I should install it from yast2 ? |
| 02:01.59 | apparmor | opensuse 11.1 |
| 02:02.01 | Rasi | ah suse |
| 02:02.35 | Rasi | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.0_KDE4_Factory_Desktop/repodata/repoview/plasmoid-stasks-0-0.5.1-3.34.html |
| 02:02.39 | Rasi | there you go |
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| 02:02.46 | TuxJay | hi |
| 02:02.46 | apparmor | thanks |
| 02:02.58 | apparmor | thr should be oneclick installation |
| 02:03.00 | jpike | i'm writing a kde application, and i want it to only have one instance |
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| 02:03.13 | jpike | when the application runs again it should get the application to create a new top-level widget |
| 02:03.17 | jpike | what's the correct way to do this in kde4? |
| 02:03.28 | PovAddict | #kde-dev? |
| 02:03.34 | jpike | oh yes |
| 02:03.46 | jpike | there is none |
| 02:04.02 | PovAddict | oops, #kde-devel |
| 02:04.08 | Jucato | it's actually #kde-devel and the kde application must be a KUniqueApplication |
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| 02:04.23 | Jucato | see http://techbase.kde.org and http://api.kde.org for references |
| 02:04.31 | jpike | Jucato: thanks :) |
| 02:04.42 | PovAddict | PhrkOnLsh: ping |
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| 02:05.22 | PovAddict | PhrkOnLsh: OpenSync documentation says all KDE PIM apps must be closed because the kdepim plugin accesses the data files directly, but kitchensync worked fine with apps running |
| 02:05.45 | PovAddict | could there be problems if apps are running, or are opensync docs outdated? |
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| 02:07.14 | apparmor | Jucato: I think I've installed the kde4-plasmoid-addons |
| 02:07.29 | apparmor | kde4-plasmoid-quickaccess |
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| 02:08.14 | Jucato | apparmor: stasks is not part of the plasmoids set that KDE ships with. it's 3rd party. and it really depends on how you distro names the package *if* they provide a package for it already |
| 02:08.46 | apparmor | so, search the keyword "stask" then ? |
| 02:09.34 | Jucato | probably, I'm not familiar with yast2 anymore. you can ask in #opensuse-kde if anyone knows if there's a package for stasks for your distro |
| 02:09.48 | apparmor | okay, thank you |
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| 02:10.11 | Rasi | apparmor: why not download the rpm from the site i gave you |
| 02:10.40 | Rasi | there is a rpm for 32 and one for 64 bit |
| 02:10.56 | apparmor | its for 11.0 |
| 02:11.04 | apparmor | and I see the 11.1 now. thx |
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| 02:57.14 | buba1 | looking for some sound help on a HP Pavilion dv 9700 if anyone has the time... |
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| 03:47.13 | jibberty-lott | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.09 | jibberty-lott | when the screen is locked the old kde had a switch user button and a leave message button but the new kde doesnt |
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| 03:50.22 | jibberty-lott | btw what does kde stand 4 anyway?? |
| 03:50.54 | PovAddict | K Desktop Environment |
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| 03:51.43 | jibberty-lott | what does the k stand 4?? |
| 03:52.12 | PovAddict | nothing |
| 03:52.15 | PovAddict | whatever you want it to be |
| 03:52.20 | jibberty-lott | nice |
| 03:52.30 | EspadaV8 | hi, i was wondering where the icons in svn were located |
| 03:52.47 | SSlater | Koool |
| 03:54.00 | EspadaV8 | (namely, i was looking for MSN, AIM, ICQ, etc icons) |
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| 04:01.11 | tdapple | Can I see shout outs for what distro everyone is using? |
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| 04:02.56 | epsas | debian |
| 04:03.00 | PovAddict | ubuntu hardy |
| 04:03.10 | epsas | but i am only in this channel because i have to support 300 kde users |
| 04:03.18 | PovAddict | I think my DCOP broke |
| 04:03.19 | epsas | uses awesome... hehe ;) |
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| 04:03.25 | PovAddict | I can't start any app |
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| 04:24.56 | FloridaGuy | just wanted to say to the dev's great job on kde 4.2.2...just about everything has a equile load time...firefox loads just as fast as konquorer.. |
| 04:25.37 | PovAddict | if you're trying to say konqueror loads fast, you failed at it... firefox isn't fast :) |
| 04:27.36 | FloridaGuy | PovAddict, i failed at spelling..lol |
| 04:27.45 | PovAddict | that too |
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| 04:28.56 | duckinator | i just hit an odd quirk (on top of http://home.duckinator.net/ss/laptop/2009-05-02-221441_1280x800_scrot.png ) that's rather interesting |
| 04:29.15 | FloridaGuy | konqueror and firefox both have the same load time...use to be konquorer loaded alot faster then firefox |
| 04:29.17 | duckinator | but this one is neat, sometimes if i use alt+tab - the current window is moved up to the top, but behind the list of moving ones |
| 04:30.09 | PovAddict | FloridaGuy: so konqueror slowed down? :) |
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| 04:30.41 | FloridaGuy | PovAddict, NO FIREFOX SPED UP |
| 04:30.51 | PovAddict | how's that related to kde4.2 devs? |
| 04:30.55 | duckinator | yaycaps? :P |
| 04:30.57 | PovAddict | go praise mozilla |
| 04:31.05 | FloridaGuy | oppps dident mean to have caps on |
| 04:31.07 | duckinator | lol |
| 04:31.44 | FloridaGuy | its because kde 4.2 got faster |
| 04:31.56 | duckinator | hm, lemme clarify wtf i was talking about earlier cuz that barely made sense to me |
| 04:32.14 | PovAddict | Firefox doesn't use KDE libraries, not even Qt, it uses GTK |
| 04:33.09 | duckinator | i'm using the 'flip switch' effect, and when i used alt+tab to get to another program - sometimes the current window shows above the rest (ie, above the "stack" of windows that is being cycled through) - does anyone know if this can be converted into a feature by some customization/patch/whatnot? |
| 04:34.57 | FloridaGuy | pov im in ubuntu with ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed..firefox is loading faster inb kde 4.2.2 then it is in gnome 2.26....so it has something to do with kde |
| 04:35.15 | duckinator | or maybe gnome is just bad :P |
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| 04:36.54 | FloridaGuy | guess last time i give a thumbs up on a new version..get slaped in the face and kicked in the a**...lol |
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| 04:38.13 | PovAddict | FloridaGuy: it would be great if you could say "just wanted to say to the dev's great job on kde 4.2.2...konqueror works so well now that i uninstalled firefox" |
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| 04:40.31 | Daemoen | hey guys, is konsole ported to windows yet? |
| 04:41.08 | PovAddict | lol |
| 04:41.15 | PovAddict | why would you want it ported? |
| 04:41.32 | Jucato | Daemoen: try asking in #kde-windows though I'm not sure. maybe they were able to wrap it around Windows' cmd |
| 04:42.12 | Jucato | (though since it's most probably too early in the parts of the world where the devs are, and being a weekend, they might not be able to reply at once) |
| 04:42.13 | Daemoen | PovAddict: your a kde advocate and youre asking why someone wants to use a kde application.... |
| 04:42.32 | Daemoen | that makes you more illogical than me ;) |
| 04:42.38 | PovAddict | I'm not a kde advocate, I'm an advocate of "all software sucks" |
| 04:43.04 | Daemoen | PovAddict: then why waste any of our time and be here in the first place, would probably be a better place if you got lost :) |
| 04:43.09 | Jucato | warns not to get offtopic and aggressive |
| 04:43.21 | Daemoen | Jucato: im done now. |
| 04:43.48 | PovAddict | Daemoen: because I was here asking about opensync/akonadi/kitchensync, to write my own sync plugin, to try making KDEPIM suck less |
| 04:44.27 | FloridaGuy | PovAddict, kde4.2.2 is better konquorer is better...but i dont uninstall firefox..sence firefox is my fav... |
| 04:44.35 | Jucato | PovAddict: #kontact is probably a better place to ask |
| 04:45.00 | Daemoen | Jucato: him asking questions and insulting projects all at once probably isnt going to get him very far, lol |
| 04:45.06 | PovAddict | FloridaGuy: is konqueror better than firefox yet? in KDE3.5, I find Konqueror has bad usability and Firefox has very bad performance |
| 04:45.06 | Jucato | (but again, please take not of probably timezone issues) |
| 04:45.15 | marcelo_ | I just upgraded to kde 4.2 and I cant figure out what network app it uses to setup my wireless... can anyone help? |
| 04:45.36 | Daemoen | marcelo_: thats generally not a kde based question, but rather a distro based question |
| 04:45.41 | Jucato | marcelo_: it varies from distro to distro. KDE doesn't ship with its own |
| 04:45.50 | Jucato | (at least not yet) |
| 04:45.53 | Daemoen | marcelo_: in fedora for instance, you would generally use networkmanager |
| 04:46.02 | Daemoen | Jucato: kwifi not shipped anymore? |
| 04:46.15 | FloridaGuy | PovAddict, thats your oppinion.......But u ( rood) |
| 04:46.18 | marcelo_ | Daemoen: I use Mint |
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| 04:46.31 | Daemoen | marcelo_: not familiar with mint's setup :\ |
| 04:46.33 | Jucato | marcelo_: best to ask in their IRC channel then |
| 04:46.38 | PovAddict | I mostly use Konqueror, and use Firefox only for Facebook (it badly fails in Konqueror) |
| 04:46.55 | marcelo_ | Daemoen: it would be the same as Ubuntu/Kubuntu |
| 04:46.57 | Jucato | Daemoen: I don't think it was ported to KDE 4. |
| 04:47.06 | Daemoen | Jucato: ahh, good point, lol |
| 04:47.16 | FloridaGuy | mint...ius ubuntu base |
| 04:47.28 | Daemoen | marcelo_: then ask in #ubuntu :) |
| 04:47.30 | FloridaGuy | oppps not ius...is |
| 04:47.37 | Daemoen | I dont track the debian tools anymore |
| 04:47.47 | Jucato | marcelo_: #kubuntu actually |
| 04:48.04 | marcelo_ | Jucato: ok thx |
| 04:48.08 | Jucato | afaik for Jaunty (9.04) they simply use a networkmanager applet on the panel |
| 04:48.14 | Jucato | (so basically networkmanager as backend) |
| 04:48.33 | Daemoen | i think most distros are moving over to network manager these days |
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| 04:50.06 | Daemoen | marcelo_: the other option is to use iwconfig and manually configure your interface on the cli |
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| 04:56.38 | deitarion | Is it possible to re-enabled the filter box in Konqueror 4.2.2? I find myself often using 3.5.10 because without filtering, Konqueror 4.x is pretty much useless for the kind of file management I do. (It doesn't help that the FileLight KPart hasn't been ported yet either) |
| 04:56.43 | deitarion | s/enabled/enable/ |
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| 05:00.55 | Jucato | deitarion: install konq-plugins (for KDE 4) from your distro's packages |
| 05:01.06 | Jucato | (konq-plugins/dirfilter to be exact) |
| 05:01.34 | Jucato | as for Filelight, it's currently already mostly ported I think. check kde-apps.org |
| 05:01.55 | deitarion | Jucato: Heh. In progress right now, actually. Gentoo moved from kde-base/konq-plugins to kde-misc/konq-plugins in the switch and didn't provide an automatic upgrade path. I only noticed the new one while looking for why .war files were treated as ordinary tarballs. |
| 05:02.26 | Jucato | (well, they are just renamed tarballs ;) |
| 05:03.11 | deitarion | Yeah, but it's a big pain when you're sorting through hundreds of them to organize the contents of CD-Rs being migrated to DVD+R. |
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| 05:03.34 | deitarion | (It's too easy to break apart the .html+_files pairs Firefox generates, so no matter what the origin, I store everything as .war) |
| 05:04.58 | deitarion | Now if only someone would integrate Kross and the upcoming Qt 4.6 QWebView with Konqueror so I could reimplement things like NoScript, Greasemonkey, and Stylish in Python and dump Firefox for good. |
| 05:06.12 | deitarion | I'm really getting sick of fighting with an application designed by people who see no problem in the current "Forget the API. Let the extension developers sort it out." approach. |
| 05:06.27 | PovAddict | which application, konqueror? |
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| 05:06.47 | PovAddict | oh, firefox |
| 05:06.53 | deitarion | Firefox. I'd use Konqueror for everything if it had a WebKit KPart for compatibility and Kross so I could re-implement my required extensions in Python. |
| 05:07.19 | PovAddict | mumbles "WebKit is overrated" |
| 05:08.02 | deitarion | And you can do better? Gecko is a bloated piece of Junk, Trident and Presto are closed-source, and practically nobody does compatibility testing against KHTML. |
| 05:08.17 | drantin | doesn't konqueror have a webkit kpart? |
| 05:08.37 | PovAddict | a WebKit monopoly will be as bad as anyone else's monopoly |
| 05:08.58 | deitarion | PovAddict: I'm not looking for a monopoly, I just want my browser to work reliably. |
| 05:09.39 | deitarion | (I'm one of those rare coders who cares about "free as in freedom" but has a pragmatic "It doesn't matter how free it is if you can't get anything done with it" approach to programs) |
| 05:10.17 | deitarion | If I didn't care about "free as in freedom", I'd probably be a mactard. |
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| 06:29.43 | DurtDiggler | has anyone ever seen a vnc display show up like this when connecting to a linux box http://gyg.cc/temp/vnc-problem.jpg |
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| 06:32.00 | oobe | in kde4 im using the native desktop effects no compiz and i have cube enabled i was wondering if its possible to animate the background picture like in compiz righ now it stays still |
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| 06:33.23 | oobe | DurtDiggler, have you tried a different vnc client | are you using desktop effects? | try a different client or disableing desktop effects |
| 06:33.38 | DurtDiggler | no desktop effects |
| 06:33.44 | DurtDiggler | and I tried 3 diferent clients |
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| 06:36.06 | lcstyle | i've seen a screen come up like that before. |
| 06:37.29 | lcstyle | what video card / drivers are you using? |
| 06:37.41 | DurtDiggler | umm |
| 06:37.55 | DurtDiggler | lemme check |
| 06:38.18 | DurtDiggler | I jsut let the system automatically configure it |
| 06:38.28 | DurtDiggler | it's intel onboard video |
| 06:38.45 | lcstyle | 965 chipset? |
| 06:39.36 | lcstyle | run %lspci |
| 06:39.51 | DurtDiggler | it says "experimental modesetting driver for intel integrated graphics chipsets |
| 06:40.16 | lcstyle | yeah thats probably the 965 bug |
| 06:40.21 | lcstyle | what platform? |
| 06:40.29 | DurtDiggler | x86 |
| 06:40.39 | lcstyle | sorry i meant OS |
| 06:40.50 | DurtDiggler | centos |
| 06:41.03 | DurtDiggler | newest version |
| 06:41.14 | lcstyle | ahh yes. No wonder I remember. had the same problem on my centos 5 box. |
| 06:41.17 | DurtDiggler | remember this is only when viewing through vnc |
| 06:41.21 | DurtDiggler | the actual monitor looks fine |
| 06:42.07 | lcstyle | well, sure I understand what your saying but are you running VNC for display 0 or is it spawned through Vncserver like disp :1 or :2 |
| 06:42.24 | DurtDiggler | no it's on 0 |
| 06:42.28 | DurtDiggler | that the console right |
| 06:44.26 | lcstyle | yah . the screen your seeing on vnc looks like when teh refresh rate is either too high or the resolution is too high. |
| 06:44.36 | DurtDiggler | yeah |
| 06:44.48 | lcstyle | are you using Vino or VNC Server |
| 06:44.58 | DurtDiggler | vnc server |
| 06:45.14 | DurtDiggler | I just have xorg load "vnc" |
| 06:45.23 | DurtDiggler | that's how I've always done it |
| 06:45.56 | lcstyle | try stopping vncserver and using vino instead through system -> preferences ->Internet and Network -> remote desktop |
| 06:46.19 | DurtDiggler | what is vino |
| 06:46.25 | DurtDiggler | how am I going to connect to thsi |
| 06:46.53 | lcstyle | its also vnc just a different implementation designed to work the same way that for example a windows server RDP session is for windows b0xen. |
| 06:47.18 | DurtDiggler | k I'll try |
| 06:47.23 | lcstyle | usually i run vnc server on :1 or :2 and if need console i run vino on :0 |
| 06:48.48 | lcstyle | its not a solution, more of a workaround but if it works, then you might have narrowed it down. I would check the log under the .vnc folder in the users home folder that your starting vnc as. |
| 06:49.21 | DurtDiggler | I'm not even sure where the vnc config files and logs are |
| 06:49.39 | DurtDiggler | I know where they would be if I was running it like normal |
| 06:49.46 | DurtDiggler | as a user |
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| 06:49.57 | DurtDiggler | this starts from xorg |
| 06:50.13 | lcstyle | logs are in \/etc/sysconfig/servers |
| 06:50.22 | lcstyle | or vncservers rather |
| 06:50.31 | DurtDiggler | yeah I've looked at that |
| 06:50.41 | DurtDiggler | it shows what I did in the very beginning |
| 06:50.48 | DurtDiggler | when I first ran vncserver |
| 06:50.51 | DurtDiggler | nothing else though |
| 06:50.58 | lcstyle | and logs are in the .vnc dir for the user that is configured to start the vnc server as defined in the vncservers file. |
| 06:51.19 | DurtDiggler | I don't start it like that though |
| 06:51.23 | lcstyle | before you attempt to run service vncservers start you need to run the vncserver command locally for that user so that you can configure the vnc password |
| 06:51.34 | DurtDiggler | yeah I did that |
| 06:51.54 | DurtDiggler | it doesnt run for a user |
| 06:52.04 | DurtDiggler | it just runs when the computer starts |
| 06:52.14 | DurtDiggler | I can connect to the login screen |
| 06:52.19 | DurtDiggler | and login as anyone |
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| 06:53.20 | lcstyle | post your vncservers from /etc/sysconfig |
| 06:55.11 | DurtDiggler | that file is not being used at all |
| 06:55.21 | DurtDiggler | it's all commented out too |
| 06:55.30 | lcstyle | so how are you running vncserver? |
| 06:55.35 | DurtDiggler | I told you |
| 06:55.39 | DurtDiggler | xorg starts it |
| 06:55.42 | DurtDiggler | not a user |
| 06:55.56 | DurtDiggler | it's not running the way it usually is |
| 06:56.18 | DurtDiggler | and since I don't know much about linux I don't think I can really explain it better |
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| 06:56.37 | lcstyle | how does xorg start it? have you added it to xorg.conf or something? |
| 06:56.46 | DurtDiggler | yes |
| 06:58.16 | DurtDiggler | http://pastebin.com/d3b8dbe28 |
| 06:58.21 | DurtDiggler | I load it with that |
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| 07:03.05 | lcstyle | i see your loading it as a module. i would remove that configuration temporarily and just run vncserver as a service. Its probably the module or that intel 965 chipset bug that i mentioned earlier. |
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| 07:04.40 | oobe | this is how vnc loads on my remote box http://pastebin.com/m1ee8602 |
| 07:05.44 | lcstyle | if you run lspci and see this then you know you have the affected chipset as well. intel has posted updated drivers that fix/workaround the bug. |
| 07:06.21 | lcstyle | Intel Corporation 965 Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 07:06.29 | oobe | does anyone know how i get it to not show applications on desktop 1 when im using desktop 2 etc. |
| 07:06.33 | oobe | like when i switch desktops i dont want to see apps running on desktop on in the task bar |
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| 07:12.21 | DurtDiggler | oobe: I wonder if I can just run vncserver like that |
| 07:13.09 | DurtDiggler | oh waht do you know... |
| 07:13.26 | DurtDiggler | I used a video card instead of the stupid onboard video and it looks just fine |
| 07:13.39 | DurtDiggler | must have been a driver problem afterall |
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| 07:50.01 | deitarion | Is it kdelibs I should be filing bugs against if they're in the .desktop file editing dialog? |
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| 07:58.14 | deitarion | Never mind. I got impatient and just filed against kdelibs/kdeui. |
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| 08:14.44 | michael_ | Hello. I've a problem with KDE 4.2. Always when it starts, plasma crashes. So i have a black screen, but i can start programs with alt+f2. |
| 08:16.08 | michael_ | The plasma-process uses 80% of the cpu-average, too |
| 08:17.38 | Rasi | try to delete ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
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| 08:18.26 | michael_ | Now i killed the process end restarted plasma, it works, but i have the problem everytime i boot |
| 08:18.27 | michael_ | ok |
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| 08:24.17 | michael_ | It didn't work; The application Plasma-Arbeitsfläche (plasma) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). |
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| 08:29.05 | BigBrain | Hi, I'm using a dark color scheme (krog black) in KDE 4.2.2 which works fine for KDE/QT apps. I disabled it for non-qt apps, but some widgets (e.g. checkboxes or tabs) still seem to use the KDE style, is there any way to fix that? |
| 08:30.19 | BigBrain | (This is on OpenSUSE 11.1, but I had the same problem in Fedora, too) |
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| 08:35.46 | BigBrain | Here's a screenshot showing what I mean: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6545/scr1h.png |
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| 09:01.08 | nrich | hey I accidentally removed the part of the bottom bar which has the currently open windows, what's that called? |
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| 09:01.14 | nrich | or is there a way to reset to default ? |
| 09:03.10 | Kame2 | should be called 'task manager' |
| 09:03.25 | nrich | ahh thank you much, that was it |
| 09:03.30 | Kame2 | np |
| 09:05.01 | nrich | dude that pastebin widget is so freaking cool |
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| 09:13.20 | Sargun | How do I turn off sticky keys |
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| 09:21.31 | thiago_home | system settings, accessibility |
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| 09:33.28 | nrich | how do I enable emerald? I've installed and am using compiz |
| 09:33.51 | nrich | I can change themes in emerald theme manager but it doesn't actually do anything, they are just listed there |
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| 09:35.05 | Rasi | nrich: emerald --replace? |
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| 09:36.23 | nrich | where's the place to put default commands to run, so this will always happen for me on x startup |
| 09:36.23 | Rasi | systemsettings -> advanced -> autostart |
| 09:36.23 | nrich | thanks |
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| 09:38.07 | nrich | hmmm that makes it just nothing now |
| 09:40.00 | nrich | what's the command to run now? |
| 09:40.16 | Rasi | kde4-window-decorator --replace |
| 09:40.16 | nrich | I tried alt-f2 and a box comes up that does nothing when I press enter and has no run button |
| 09:40.17 | Rasi | i guess |
| 09:40.31 | Rasi | nrich: sure you have emerald installed? |
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| 09:40.45 | nrich | yep |
| 09:41.17 | nrich | that didn't fix hmm |
| 09:41.36 | nrich | ahh there we go |
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| 09:41.46 | nrich | compiz fusion icon ftw there |
| 09:41.50 | Rasi | nrich: check if your distri ships with fusion-icon |
| 09:41.52 | Rasi | ah |
| 09:41.53 | Rasi | ok |
| 09:42.02 | nrich | hey but what is alt-f2 now ? |
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| 09:47.08 | nrich | used to be run |
| 09:47.09 | devilsadvocate | my kde has decided to stop doing transparancy (panels, konsole). where can i fix this? (i was doing some turning compositing on and off earlier when it _might_ have hanged forcing me to cold reboot) |
| 09:49.21 | thiago_home | turn compositing back on |
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| 09:51.55 | devilsadvocate | thiago_home: i did. everything else came back - the cube and alt+tab too. but the transparat stuff did not |
| 09:52.41 | thiago_home | reconfigure it |
| 09:53.43 | devilsadvocate | thiago_home: didnt work for yakuake. i dont know where the panel's transparancy setting is. |
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| 09:54.06 | devilsadvocate | i tried disabling the compositing and enabling it again (through the plasmoid switch) |
| 09:54.13 | devilsadvocate | let me try it from system settings |
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| 09:55.11 | devilsadvocate | no luck. still doesnt become transparant :( |
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| 09:55.54 | a-st | Hello :) |
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| 09:57.11 | devilsadvocate | could a reboot help? |
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| 09:57.32 | a-st | Is it possible that there is a bug in networkmanager-applet from kde4? |
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| 09:58.18 | cb400f | impossible ;-) |
| 09:58.27 | cb400f | .. especially since it's not even officially released |
| 09:58.32 | a-st | If i connect to a WPA-secured wireless network it asks me for the key and stores it in kwallet, but the next time i want to connect it asks for the WPA-key again... |
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| 10:02.27 | cb400f | a-st: http://userbase.kde.org/NetworkManagement |
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| 10:04.19 | nrich | anyone know when the sticky button is expected to be functional in kde4 ? or is this just me |
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| 10:04.59 | thiago_home | a-st: NM is not KDE's job, sorry |
| 10:05.03 | thiago_home | nrich: which sticky button? |
| 10:05.20 | nrich | the one on the title bar of some themes |
| 10:05.29 | nrich | always on top it used to be called |
| 10:05.44 | a-st | thiago_home: who cares about the applet/plasmoid? |
| 10:05.51 | thiago_home | nrich: ah |
| 10:06.00 | thiago_home | nrich: I have it. Have had it for months. |
| 10:06.26 | nrich | I have it too, just doesn't do anything |
| 10:07.03 | oneforall | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.47 | cb400f | thiago_home: that applet/plasmoid is developed in kde svn by wstephenson, so I guess it is kde's job |
| 10:10.58 | cb400f | .. but it's still in playground for a reason |
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| 10:12.38 | thiago_home | cb400f: no, it's not |
| 10:12.43 | thiago_home | NM is not KDE's job |
| 10:12.53 | thiago_home | really |
| 10:13.07 | thiago_home | wstephenson developed it because the distro he works for uses NM |
| 10:17.07 | oneforall | union fight |
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| 10:23.42 | cvandonderen | I don't know where I should put this, but why is my battery life 25 minutes less than when using Vista? Can I tell powerdevil to do hyper-powersave in some way? |
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| 10:28.44 | thiago_home | cvandonderen: yes |
| 10:28.59 | thiago_home | you can also run powertop and find what is consuming battery |
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| 10:33.38 | cvandonderen | 46.2% (920) wakeups come from futex_wait, (knotify4) what does this do? |
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| 11:11.48 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 11:12.15 | mcgreg | kde3 used to have the possibility to set the time+date by using ntp services .. isn't that possibl anymore with kde 4? |
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| 11:14.51 | lng_ | hi! why can't i see "language settings / keyboard layout"? |
| 11:15.20 | thiago_home | in systemsettings? |
| 11:15.31 | lng_ | Control Center |
| 11:15.50 | lng_ | trying to add another keyboard layout |
| 11:16.00 | thiago_home | KDE Control Center? |
| 11:16.02 | thiago_home | as in KDE 3? |
| 11:17.05 | lng_ | 3.5 |
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| 11:18.40 | thiago_home | yeah, really can't help you |
| 11:18.49 | thiago_home | in KDE 4, it means you're probably missing libxklavier |
| 11:19.00 | thiago_home | but your distro should have done that for you |
| 11:19.05 | thiago_home | in KDE 3, I don't remember |
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| 11:46.05 | Raylz | theres now a nice samba configuration menu in the settings |
| 11:46.09 | Raylz | but all greyed out |
| 11:46.34 | Raylz | isnt there supposed to be an admin button? |
| 11:47.17 | Raylz | and why cant i change my picture in personal information settings? |
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| 11:49.06 | thiago_home | you need to be root (admin) to do that |
| 11:49.10 | thiago_home | but the button is missing |
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| 11:52.16 | brain0 | When I use xrandr to add/remove a second display, sometimes kde stops responding to some dbus interfaces (like org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver) and all key combinations (like alt+F2) stop working. which component of kde would be the cause here? |
| 11:52.35 | brain0 | it only happens sometimes though, sometimes it is fine even after the switch |
| 11:53.11 | thiago_home | kded |
| 11:53.57 | brain0 | ah, is it possible to relaunch that during a session? |
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| 12:22.51 | vital | Are there any known problems with building KDE from trunk on Fedora? |
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| 12:26.21 | brush535 | whhÿ |
| 12:26.29 | brush535 | why cant i kill X anymore with ctrl+del+alt ? |
| 12:26.47 | brush535 | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 12:26.54 | brush535 | problem on my end? |
| 12:26.54 | Nikolaich | hi! |
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| 12:28.09 | vital | brush535: many distros has implemented that, you need to add something to the xorg.conf to be able to kill X with ctrl-del-alt |
| 12:28.11 | nonickname2 | brush535: which distribution? |
| 12:28.16 | brush535 | archlinux |
| 12:28.30 | brush535 | but im not using xorg.conf, only HAL here |
| 12:28.41 | pinotree | brush535: #archlinux or #xorg, please |
| 12:28.46 | aspect | add Option "DontZap" "no" to /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the ServerFlags section |
| 12:28.54 | aspect | I think it's standard xorg behaviour now |
| 12:29.04 | brush535 | okay thanks guys and thank you aspect |
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| 12:31.35 | Half-Left | vital: It wasn't the distros, it was Xorg themselves FYI |
| 12:32.07 | vital | Half-Left: ah, okay, good information, thanks. |
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| 12:34.10 | Half-Left | Extremely useful feature to get out a frozen desktop of some form, Don't know why the implemented that exactly |
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| 12:35.16 | vital | No idea either, everyone I know think it's a bad feature. nothing you just press by mistake. |
| 12:36.22 | Half-Left | Exactly |
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| 12:38.32 | Half-Left | Only a matter of time before Linux gets dumbed down I'm afraid |
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| 12:42.31 | joeytwiddle | Gnome1.0 rocked, they dumbed it down by version2 =/ |
| 12:42.45 | joeytwiddle | it used to have a lot of options, like kde does! |
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| 12:43.03 | joeytwiddle | if you don't have Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, there's always still Ctrl+Alt+F1 i hope |
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| 12:43.27 | zak | i have upgraded to kde4.2.71 , opened konversation and i got this ''The protocol version of the Akonadi server is incompatible. Make sure you have a compatible version installed. (Protocol version 9 found, expected at least 10)'' |
| 12:43.37 | zak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.08 | pinotree | kde trunk needs akonadi trunk |
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| 12:45.45 | zak | pinotree: akonadi trunk isn't in kde4 trunk? |
| 12:45.51 | thiago_home | it is |
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| 12:45.52 | zak | pinotree: akonadi trunk isn't in kde4 trunk repos? |
| 12:45.59 | thiago_home | but you must have your distribution's version |
| 12:46.02 | thiago_home | which is probably older |
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| 12:46.19 | zak | aha must check with opensuse guys then |
| 12:46.40 | vahnx | I can no longer start KDE, i removed everything from my autostart directory, what do i need to put back there |
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| 12:48.38 | Half-Left | thiago_home: Here's me spending time in Inkscape making UI mockups in vector, we have Qt Creator :p |
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| 12:56.22 | Half-Left | learns Qt Designer |
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| 12:57.39 | Qu4Z | What's there to learn? If it's like the 3.* versions it's pretty damn intuitive. Although if you're not used to such things I guess. |
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| 13:03.09 | Half-Left | Qu4Z: Nope, I'm a graphics artist, not used to stuff like this, though I have played about with similar stuff |
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| 13:06.24 | Half-Left | It looks pretty awesome anyway so far |
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| 13:21.24 | Murray_B | Hi! I am using kde 4 and nepomukserver is always running - is it possible to stop nepomuk completely? |
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| 13:22.22 | Skitt | Murray_B: systemsettings -> advanced -> desktop search (roughly translated) |
| 13:23.25 | Murray_B | Skitt: Yes, I know that, nepomuk is disabled here - but the nepomukserver is still running! |
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| 13:23.49 | dvheumen | hey, Has anyone an idea why I get a delay between choosing a shutdown option from the kickoff launcher and the confirmation dialog? |
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| 13:25.07 | Half-Left | Murray_B: Thats not actually nepomuk running |
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| 13:26.36 | dvheumen | I've had the problem in Ubuntu and now Arch ... (but I didn't have it with a clean Ubuntu Jaunty install) so there probably is some kind of a solution |
| 13:27.36 | Murray_B | Half-Left: nepomukserver doesn't belong to nepomuk?? |
| 13:27.58 | Half-Left | it's just a process |
| 13:28.52 | Murray_B | Hm... |
| 13:29.41 | Half-Left | it's not indexing or tagging if that's what you want to know, since you've turned it off |
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| 13:39.05 | dvheumen | Is someone able to help me with a little debugging? I think that both my delays (clicking the kickoff launcher button and the confirmation dialog) both have to do with the "querying of the shutdown options" or something like that |
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| 13:40.06 | jmonreal | hey all |
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| 14:06.21 | LnxSlck | all the sudden kde notifications disappeared.. how to get them back |
| 14:06.22 | LnxSlck | ? |
| 14:06.38 | LnxSlck | i mean kde pidgin notifications |
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| 14:20.29 | shevy | is there a recommended kde app for webcams? like those integrated on laptops |
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| 14:21.13 | zarquod | re. |
| 14:21.21 | joko | Hi, I am using KOrganizer 4.2.2. Is it possible to sync it with Google Calendar? I've followed this guide http://the-shaolin.blogspot.com/2008/01/korganizer-and-google-calendar-sync.html , but I have trouble modifying the calendar... |
| 14:21.27 | jazka | shevy: all I know is webkam |
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| 14:24.47 | shevy | hmm |
| 14:24.58 | shevy | can find only qt4+kde4 version of it |
| 14:25.03 | shevy | i havent finished the transition yet :( |
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| 14:26.28 | fruitwerks | I'm stuck in 640x480 nvidia (modules is working) and kde4 |
| 14:26.32 | hacosta | is there any place where i can read the changelog for kde 4.2.2? |
| 14:27.05 | nonickname2 | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.2.php / http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_2_1to4_2_2.php i'd say |
| 14:27.06 | pinotree | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_2_1to4_2_2.php |
| 14:27.55 | hacosta | thanks.. |
| 14:28.07 | _Maulwurf | plasma just crashed and I was copying a lot of files... then plasma restartet and i hear that the pc is still copying. however the copy plasmoid is gone. how can i start it again or just see, how much is copied and how much is still to go? |
| 14:28.12 | hacosta | no changelog for 4.2.3 yet, i guess |
| 14:28.18 | _Maulwurf | kde 4.2.2 |
| 14:28.46 | hacosta | some distros already have 4.2.3 |
| 14:28.56 | hacosta | so.. i wanted to see what's new |
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| 14:32.34 | vital | Anyone using fedora or opensuse (or any other distro using /usr/lib as 32bit destination), using 64bit, and build the trunk-kde with kdesvn-build? that can explain to me what needs to be changed to compile qt-copy to /usr/lib64 instead of /usr/lib |
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| 14:33.23 | pinotree | hacosta: which distros? |
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| 14:33.56 | quassel208 | http://rafb.net/p/j309f723.html what goes wrong when building kdesupport? |
| 14:34.11 | _Maulwurf | anybody has an idea.... it would be enough even to see the status of the file copying |
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| 14:35.41 | hacosta | pinotree: it's in the testing repository in arch. |
| 14:35.49 | hacosta | it probably is already tagged or something |
| 14:35.56 | pinotree | sigh, they shouldn't release them, yet |
| 14:36.18 | hacosta | sorry i guess |
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| 14:38.20 | pinotree | so, don't expect a changelog before the actual release |
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| 14:39.01 | hacosta | ...ok |
| 14:40.06 | fruitwerks | is this a major issue? > xinit: Resource temporarily unavailable (errno 11): Cannot register with ConsoleKit:... |
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| 14:41.57 | airtonarantes | How can I set the shortcut on kde4.2.2 to switch the desktops using ctrl+alt+(right arrow or left arrow)? |
| 14:42.35 | hacosta | airtonarantes: system settings -> keyboard & mouse |
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| 14:42.43 | hacosta | Golobal Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 14:42.51 | hacosta | select KWin |
| 14:43.28 | hacosta | search for next, up, down, right, or whatever |
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| 14:45.13 | hacosta | how would i get strigi working, I disabled it a long time ago, and now i want to try it again.. And now even though i enabled it, there's always a message that says File indexer is suspended |
| 14:45.37 | airtonarantes | hacosta: great, worked fine. thank you very much |
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| 14:45.47 | hacosta | airtonarantes: np |
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| 14:46.36 | hacosta | if i run strigidaemon and click start indexing, it works as expected, but, for instance i can't search with nepomuk |
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| 14:50.16 | Half-Left | hacosta: Thats because it's tagging not file searching like Strigi does |
| 14:50.41 | Half-Left | It searches for files that are tagged |
| 14:50.58 | hacosta | i tagged one file |
| 14:51.04 | hacosta | you know, just to check |
| 14:51.24 | hacosta | and.. in the nepomuksearch there are 4 predefined folders |
| 14:51.26 | Half-Left | Have you enabled Nepomuk in krunner? |
| 14:51.30 | hacosta | Today's File |
| 14:51.33 | hacosta | yup |
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| 14:51.59 | Half-Left | What KDE4 version? |
| 14:52.16 | hacosta | 4.2.2 |
| 14:52.45 | Half-Left | So you tagged a image in Dolphin and it's not showing up in Krunner? |
| 14:52.51 | hacosta | and i can see there's a process called nepomukservicestub strigiservice |
| 14:53.10 | hacosta | Half-Left: am i supposed to just enter the tag name? |
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| 14:53.15 | Half-Left | Yes |
| 14:53.24 | hacosta | or should i do something like tag:tagname |
| 14:53.32 | Half-Left | Just the tag name |
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| 14:53.51 | hacosta | no, it doesn't come up.. |
| 14:53.56 | Half-Left | You only do that for something like Folder View |
| 14:54.19 | hacosta | the File indexer is suspended, that's been showing up since yesterday |
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| 14:54.40 | hacosta | i tought, maybe if i idle it will start, so i left my computer on.. |
| 14:55.43 | Half-Left | hacosta: Does it straight away here |
| 14:55.54 | hacosta | does strigi follow symbolic links? |
| 14:56.00 | hacosta | to other partitions? |
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| 14:56.13 | Half-Left | It should come up with a 'Has Tag' |
| 14:56.35 | hacosta | yeah sorry, krunner seems to be working fine |
| 14:56.45 | hacosta | it does open dolphin in the correct location |
| 14:56.56 | hacosta | but, it shows no file |
| 14:57.09 | Half-Left | Strange |
| 14:57.16 | hacosta | now it's starting.. |
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| 14:58.30 | Half-Left | I seen something about it could be implemented into Dolphin |
| 14:58.33 | Half-Left | for 4.3 |
| 14:59.00 | Half-Left | Rather than using KRunner |
| 14:59.09 | hacosta | Half-Left: can you tell me your exclude filters? |
| 15:00.17 | Half-Left | stuff like / . ~ and .part |
| 15:00.44 | hacosta | yes, i removed those trying to get strigi started |
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| 15:01.05 | Half-Left | it's working away here |
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| 15:01.19 | Half-Left | Finished indexing already |
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| 15:02.31 | hacosta | arg.. it won't start here |
| 15:02.45 | berniyh | hi, shouldn't konqueror open a link in a new window/tab when clicking on a link with the mouse button in the middle? |
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| 15:03.27 | goodbit | Good morning. How do I suspend my computer in KDE 3.5? |
| 15:03.47 | Half-Left | Try re-enabling it |
| 15:04.05 | hacosta | let's see. |
| 15:04.26 | the_madman | goodbit: If I remember correctly, it should be in KBattery or KPowerSaver (some battery icon in the system tray), or otherwise in the KMenu at the bottom somewhere. |
| 15:04.35 | the_madman | goodbit: Been a long time since I used 3.5... |
| 15:04.43 | hacosta | woo.. now i see an error, this should be fixable. |
| 15:05.37 | the_madman | hacosta: Have you added both Redland and sesame2 Soprano backends to your system? Both are needed for all of Nepomuk's features. |
| 15:05.47 | goodbit | Oh cool, thanks. |
| 15:05.49 | goodbit | I found it |
| 15:06.35 | hacosta | the_madman: not that i know of, how would i check that? |
| 15:07.01 | the_madman | hacosta: Which version of Linux are you using? |
| 15:07.19 | hacosta | i now get the message, Failed to contact Strigi Indexer (could not get owner of name 'org.kde.nepomunk.services.nepomunkstrigiservice'. no such name) |
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| 15:07.40 | hacosta | 2.6.29.2 |
| 15:07.50 | the_madman | hacosta: Yeah, installing redland and sesame2 Soprano backends solved that for me. |
| 15:07.53 | the_madman | Er... |
| 15:08.03 | the_madman | Sorry, that's my fault. I meant which distro are you using? |
| 15:08.09 | hacosta | archlinux |
| 15:08.23 | the_madman | hacosta: Then I've not a clue how you'd check, I'm afraid. |
| 15:08.38 | the_madman | hacosta: I don't understand the repo system of Arch... |
| 15:08.42 | hacosta | i just checked, they are installed |
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| 15:09.12 | Half-Left | hacosta: Try tagging them in gwenview |
| 15:09.41 | Half-Left | hacosta: Same here, but mine is working :) |
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| 15:09.57 | hacosta | damn yoouu! |
| 15:10.03 | berniyh | somehow, when I use the middle mouse button, nothing happens :-/ |
| 15:10.04 | Half-Left | 64bit though |
| 15:10.42 | the_madman | berniyh: What's supposed to happen when you middle-click? |
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| 15:11.04 | the_madman | berniyh: Copy-paste, alt-middle-click, middle-click maximize button...? |
| 15:11.22 | silver_hook | Hullo. Is it possible to use PowerDevil in a non-KDE environment? E.g. in Awesome WM... |
| 15:11.30 | Half-Left | hacosta: I got that message but it indexed regardless |
| 15:11.48 | hacosta | Half-Left: the tags show up but with no files in them |
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| 15:12.45 | Half-Left | hacosta: Check your backends, seasame is fastest but needs java |
| 15:12.49 | the_madman | silver_hook: I believe it's possible, if you have something like a system-tray front-end, or otherwise use the plasma frontend (which defeats the point of using a lightweight DE...) |
| 15:13.02 | berniyh | the_madman: I think it should open a link in a new tab/window |
| 15:13.14 | berniyh | talking about konqueror ;) |
| 15:13.18 | the_madman | berniyh: Ah, you're clicking a link. |
| 15:13.27 | berniyh | yes, said that above ;) |
| 15:13.43 | the_madman | berniyh: Sorry... I've been swapping windows a lot... |
| 15:13.53 | berniyh | ;) |
| 15:13.58 | hacosta | ok.. will do |
| 15:14.11 | the_madman | berniyh: Yeah, it should. Does it work for other perposes, though? Try middle-clicking the maximize button, for example. |
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| 15:14.29 | berniyh | sure |
| 15:14.38 | berniyh | it works everywhere else just fine |
| 15:14.46 | berniyh | it's only konqueror that doesn't work |
| 15:14.51 | the_madman | berniyh: So it's just in konqueror... |
| 15:15.30 | berniyh | yep |
| 15:15.43 | the_madman | berniyh: Go to Settings --> Configure Konqueror and check whether, "Open links in new tab instead of in new window" is checked. |
| 15:16.06 | berniyh | tried that already |
| 15:16.14 | pano | Does anyone know, where I can find the Air plasma theme? I can't seem to find it myself browsing through kde websvn... |
| 15:16.21 | berniyh | I did also check and unckeck it etc. |
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| 15:16.34 | berniyh | + restart of konqueror between setting it |
| 15:16.35 | pano | berniyh: Are you able to open tabs with a middle mouse click? |
| 15:16.40 | pano | If not |
| 15:16.44 | berniyh | s/between/after/ |
| 15:16.54 | the_madman | berniyh: Huoh... that's strange... never heard of that before. |
| 15:16.55 | berniyh | pano: huh? |
| 15:17.22 | pano | berniyh: didn't you say you can't use the middle mouse button in konqueror? |
| 15:17.22 | berniyh | pano: not sure if I get your question right, but I think that is what I'm talking about ;) |
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| 15:17.31 | the_madman | pano: That's what he meant, yeah. |
| 15:17.31 | berniyh | well, I can use it |
| 15:17.41 | pano | ah ok |
| 15:17.47 | berniyh | for example Shift+MMB opens a link in a new window |
| 15:17.52 | pano | there is a bug about that |
| 15:17.58 | pano | letme find it for you |
| 15:18.01 | the_madman | pano: There is? |
| 15:18.09 | berniyh | or a new tab or something like that |
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| 15:18.16 | berniyh | thx |
| 15:18.19 | pano | btw: Which KDE version are you on? |
| 15:18.34 | pano | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189761 |
| 15:18.38 | berniyh | 4.2.3 |
| 15:18.46 | pano | there is a soultion for that in the bugreport |
| 15:18.51 | pano | you have to go to the system settings |
| 15:18.59 | berniyh | hm, yes, I can see ;) |
| 15:19.01 | silver_hook | the_madman: How would go on running it then? |
| 15:19.21 | pano | berniy: ;-) |
| 15:19.37 | the_madman | silver_hook: Well, the daemon already runs in the background: you just need to install a front-end that you can use in another DE. |
| 15:19.46 | berniyh | pano: ok, works, thank you :) |
| 15:19.53 | the_madman | silver_hook: Why not try a search for PowerDevil in your package management? |
| 15:19.57 | silver_hook | the_madman: Are there CLI commens as well? |
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| 15:20.24 | the_madman | silver_hook: commens? |
| 15:20.26 | the_madman | O.o |
| 15:20.35 | silver_hook | s/commens/commands |
| 15:20.36 | pano | berniyh: np^^ I was also suffering from this bug^^ (in kde 4.3 trunk it works though |
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| 15:21.11 | berniyh | hm, I'd use trunk if I'd had the time... |
| 15:21.52 | silver_hook | the_madman: I did and it all I see is two '*.desktop', an XML, two '*.so' and two files that look like profiles... |
| 15:22.08 | silver_hook | I don't see any bins :\ |
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| 15:22.51 | the_madman | silver_hook: Uh... one second. |
| 15:23.41 | the_madman | silver_hook: Which front-end did you install? If what you're thinking of came with Plasma, then you won't be able to use it without running Plasma first. |
| 15:23.54 | pano | berniyh: I use binary packages of kde trunk (Compiling the whole stuff would be too time consuming for me...) |
| 15:23.58 | silver_hook | the_madman: What's the alternatives? |
| 15:24.10 | pano | berniyh: Which distro are you using? |
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| 15:24.26 | berniyh | pano: Exherbo |
| 15:24.28 | the_madman | silver_hook: I believe there's at least a system-tray frontend available, that was from KDE 3 days... |
| 15:24.36 | berniyh | like you could guess from my host mask ;) |
| 15:24.38 | the_madman | silver_hook: I'm doing a search, one second. |
| 15:24.57 | silver_hook | the_madman: I have KDE 4.2.2 installed otherwise. I'm just wondering if I can use it somehow in another WM... |
| 15:25.32 | berniyh | well, if I'd use trunk, then I'd do it properly and adapt it to Exherbo |
| 15:25.47 | the_madman | silver_hook: Yeah, there are DE-independant backends I believe (though, for example, the tray icon I mentioned before is made for KDE 3, it works in other DEs too). |
| 15:25.54 | berniyh | but actually I'm fine with 4.2.3 right now, so I'll keep that |
| 15:26.02 | berniyh | looking forward to 4.3, though ;) |
| 15:26.37 | pano | berniyh: k^^ If you would be using Arch Linux, I could have recommend you a very nice repo for trunk packages ;-) |
| 15:26.43 | the_madman | berniyh: Aren't we all? |
| 15:26.50 | silver_hook | the_madman: The bottom line is then: find another frontend to HAL, because Plasmoids (PowerDevil included) won't run just in a standard system tray? |
| 15:27.04 | the_madman | silver_hook: Correct. |
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| 15:27.22 | silver_hook | the_madman: And you have no other idea then KPowerSave? |
| 15:27.37 | the_madman | silver_hook: Or a frontend for PowerDevil, because that's not exactly built into plasma. |
| 15:27.59 | the_madman | silver_hook: You can look around, but the only one I've ever used beside Plasma is KPowerSave. |
| 15:28.12 | the_madman | silver_hook: There's bound to be more though. Search your repos. |
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| 15:28.28 | poolunion | Is there a way to change the color of just folders? |
| 15:28.41 | berniyh | pano: thanks, but using Arch Linux actually would cost me more time than building the kde packages myself (since I don't know Arch Linux/Pacman very well), so... ;) |
| 15:28.42 | silver_hook | poolunion: Change the icon? |
| 15:28.47 | mellhen | how can i use the "semantic-desktop-search" in kde4? |
| 15:29.06 | mellhen | iam using kubuntu 9.04 |
| 15:29.33 | silver_hook | the_madman: Hmmm, is there a way to talk to PowerDevil via DBUS? |
| 15:29.44 | poolunion | silver_hook: I changed the icon colours in appearance settings but that changes all icon colours |
| 15:29.56 | the_madman | silver_hook: Sorry, I don't know the first thing about DBUS. o.o' |
| 15:30.37 | silver_hook | poolunion: I mean, if you right-click on the folder you want to have another colour and change that folder's icon to one of another colour. |
| 15:30.54 | poolunion | I'd like gray folders so they look better with the wallpaper i'm using. |
| 15:31.16 | poolunion | silver_hook: Is there a way to change all folders at once? |
| 15:31.18 | silver_hook | A hack-ish solution could be that you locate the default folder icon and copy a gray (in your case) folder icon over it ;) |
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| 15:31.52 | silver_hook | poolunion: Don't think so ...either what I just said, or â more elegantly â make yourself a new icon theme :] |
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| 15:33.19 | paddyez | hi |
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| 15:33.40 | silver_hook | the_madman: Hmmm, any idea who would happen to know? Because Awesome uses DBUS as well, I *think* I could manage with a lot of help to get it to use PowerDevil with DBUS ...if that's possible. |
| 15:33.42 | paddyez | anybody help for my problem? http://paste.debian.net/35117/ |
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| 15:34.04 | pinotree | paddyez: #debian-kde, not here |
| 15:34.10 | the_madman | silver_hook: Sorry, I don't... |
| 15:34.15 | paddyez | pinotree: thanx |
| 15:35.08 | silver_hook | the_madman: That's OK :] |
| 15:35.36 | paddyez | pinotree: #debian-kde :Cannot send to channel |
| 15:35.36 | the_madman | silver_hook: Hope I helped. :) |
| 15:35.44 | paddyez | very goog advice |
| 15:35.47 | silver_hook | the_madman: A bit, yeah ;) |
| 15:35.53 | the_madman | :P |
| 15:35.59 | pinotree | paddyez: have you tried joining it? |
| 15:36.30 | pinotree | paddyez: and, when joining you get: -ChanServ- [#debian-kde] This channel on Freenode is obsolete and is being shut down. Please join us in #debian-kde on OFTC: irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-kde |
| 15:36.31 | paddyez | pinotree: AFAIK I am in the chan |
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| 15:40.24 | paddyez | pinotree: thanx for redirecting me to a redirection |
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| 15:41.50 | miasma | I wonder what I did. updated kde (from debian packages). now almost all apps tell this http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/bd49c289c020d817 |
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| 15:42.00 | miasma | e.g. https works, but http doesn't |
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| 15:42.38 | miasma | it was a small upgrade from 4.2.2-1 4.2.2-2 or something |
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| 16:38.52 | Half-Left | aseigo: So is the 'Add Widgets' dialog going to be plasma based or still open to Qt UI? |
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| 17:21.26 | Shapeshifter | So, kde4 is still very crashy huh. :| |
| 17:21.40 | common | got a simple issue |
| 17:21.47 | Shapeshifter | Been using it for two months or so now and something crashes or hangs at least once a day. |
| 17:21.55 | common | I feel the answer may be an easy one, probably related to my xorg |
| 17:23.10 | common | I have 2 monitors, dual head card, nvidia drivers. Its configured and working with twinview under kde 4.2.2, which is nice. But when I go to maximize a window, it goes all the way across both monitors. I want it to stop the maximization on one monitor. |
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| 17:24.50 | thiago_home | Shapeshifter: yes |
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| 17:29.52 | Alaisa | omfg awesome http://tinyurl.com/lolmaopwnd lol |
| 17:29.54 | Alaisa | xD |
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| 17:34.30 | common-- | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 17:43.23 | Sho_ | Shapeshifter: Can't say I've had a crash or hang in months |
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| 17:52.06 | P-Luc_Auclair | do you guys know the E Text Editor ? |
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| 17:54.39 | Sho_ | P-Luc_Auclair: Well, I know the one it was cloned from (TextMate) |
| 17:54.54 | P-Luc_Auclair | apparently they just open sourced it |
| 17:55.08 | P-Luc_Auclair | http://e-texteditor.com/blog/ |
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| 17:55.26 | P-Luc_Auclair | I wonder how hard it would be to port it to KDE |
| 17:55.41 | Sho_ | It would appear they made the unfortunate mistake of using GTK+ |
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| 17:56.20 | TravisBarker | hi all |
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| 17:56.42 | P-Luc_Auclair | Sho_ yeah but it can be changed |
| 17:56.43 | Sho_ | Well, it uses wxWidgets, it seems |
| 17:56.48 | P-Luc_Auclair | yes |
| 17:57.01 | Sho_ | And the license isn't really open source (BSD + stupid extra clause) |
| 17:57.14 | Sho_ | Besides, I can't say I really see the value over Kate |
| 17:57.23 | TravisBarker | I have come here simply to voice the opinion that KDE has been headed in the wrong direction since 4.x plasmoids dont work and how do you get rid of that peanut in the upper right corner? |
| 17:57.27 | TravisBarker | ty |
| 17:57.33 | P-Luc_Auclair | Sho_ well, bundles are |
| 17:58.22 | P-Luc_Auclair | proprietary open source is still open source |
| 17:58.41 | Sho_ | Open source is an OSI-approved license |
| 17:58.48 | Sho_ | This license would not be OSI-approved |
| 17:58.54 | P-Luc_Auclair | indeed |
| 17:59.03 | Sho_ | Support for TextMate could likely be implemented in Kate on top of Kate's scripting facilities |
| 17:59.22 | Sho_ | Support for TextMate bundles, I mean |
| 17:59.35 | P-Luc_Auclair | I have tried it on a friend's computer and man are they useful :S |
| 17:59.48 | P-Luc_Auclair | especially when writinh html markup |
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| 18:00.32 | Sho_ | yes, TextMate is a fine editor |
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| 18:02.49 | Half-Left | yay, Rekonq alpha 1 |
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| 18:05.14 | Half-Left | Webkit webbrowser with KDE integration :) |
| 18:06.09 | Sho_ | There's a KDE integration branch for Arora, too, I believe |
| 18:07.24 | Half-Left | Yummy |
| 18:07.25 | Half-Left | Need smooth scrolling though |
| 18:08.09 | Half-Left | Rekonq is about the same level as Arora |
| 18:08.37 | P-Luc_Auclair | Half-Left: does it depend on 4.2.2 or 4.2.7.x ? |
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| 18:09.24 | Half-Left | Not sure |
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| 18:09.39 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Well, the difference being that the codebase that Rekonq started out from is the one created by the Arora developers, who also happen to be the QtWebKit developers ... nothing against the Rekonq people, but I guess I have more confidence in the Arora manpower |
| 18:10.04 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Plus there is significant new Arora functionality gearing up for merge in branches (comprehensive OpenSearch support, a rather nice extension system, etc.) |
| 18:10.23 | Half-Left | ahhh |
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| 18:11.00 | P-Luc_Auclair | I wish they are gonna make tabs run in their own threads like that other webkit project did |
| 18:11.17 | P-Luc_Auclair | (about Arora) |
| 18:11.48 | Half-Left | Sho_: Current state release Rekonq has the KDE integration, 0.6 just has Qt for now |
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| 18:12.16 | P-Luc_Auclair | someone is doing KDE integration for it though |
| 18:12.18 | Half-Left | Arora 0.6 that is |
| 18:12.25 | Half-Left | Yes I know |
| 18:12.30 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Yes, though with KDE trunk, Qt-only apps make good strides toward better KDE integration due to new stuff in the Oxygen style (Qt-only apps now automatically get KDE file dialogs, and KDE standard icons) |
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| 18:12.49 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Plus there is a branch of Arora for more KDE integration somewhere |
| 18:12.54 | thiago_home | Sho_: that's wrong |
| 18:12.59 | thiago_home | Sho_: it shouldn't be the *style* |
| 18:13.06 | thiago_home | we'll fix it properly for Qt 4.6 / KDE 4.4 |
| 18:13.13 | Sho_ | thiago_home: Good |
| 18:13.18 | Half-Left | Arora doesn't use Oxygen though because of a bug |
| 18:13.35 | Sho_ | thiago_home: But for now, the net effect is that with KDE 4.3, Arora 0.6 is automatically a bit better KDE-integrated than with 4.2 |
| 18:13.55 | Sho_ | though I agree it's a layering violation |
| 18:13.58 | thiago_home | doesn't work with creator |
| 18:14.06 | thiago_home | it's unreliable |
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| 18:14.52 | thiago_home | with creator, I still get Qt file dialogs |
| 18:14.54 | Sho_ | Half-Left: you can force it to use Oxygen with -style, and the next Arora release will remove that behavior again. But yes it's true that Oxygen has a bunch of bugs that are giving Arora and QtWebKit a hard time, yeah. |
| 18:14.58 | Half-Left | P-Luc_Auclair: "KDE4.1 or better" |
| 18:15.02 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Some of those are fixed in 4.3 already, some not |
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| 18:15.13 | thiago_home | besides, it doesn't fix other standard dialogs |
| 18:15.27 | P-Luc_Auclair | Half-Left: just tried building it, it asks 4.2.7 runtime stuff |
| 18:15.30 | Half-Left | So how did Rekonqu get around it? |
| 18:16.22 | Sho_ | Half-Left: It didn't - the QtWebKit-related Oxgen problems are found in both (broken widget scaling in websites). Some other Arora-specific problems (Arora does fancy things with its address bar that Oxygen doesn't support problems) are not in Rekonq, though. |
| 18:16.24 | Half-Left | P-Luc_Auclair: It says in the install file "4.1 or better" |
| 18:16.29 | Sho_ | s/support problems/support properly/ |
| 18:16.37 | Sho_ | and s/Oxgen/Oxygen/ |
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| 18:17.17 | P-Luc_Auclair | why is it so hard to get Oxygen to behave ? it's been buggy for a long while now |
| 18:17.35 | Sho_ | P-Luc_Auclair: Lack of manpower |
| 18:17.40 | P-Luc_Auclair | is there another theme people started and all the devs left or something ? |
| 18:17.43 | Sho_ | It has two coders, both of which are busy with work or university |
| 18:17.49 | Half-Left | Sho_: But being a Qt app it's not obligated to support Oxygen right? |
| 18:18.04 | P-Luc_Auclair | Sho_: let's hope some people can help them |
| 18:18.13 | P-Luc_Auclair | wish I was that good |
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| 18:18.41 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Not sure what you mean ... a style is a style, a Qt app works with any style, it's just that Oxygen has a few bugs. The Arora people were annoyed by all the bug reports, so they added some code that detects Oxygen and switches to Plastique. Now they're getting even more reports though, so they've removed it again. |
| 18:19.48 | Half-Left | Sho_: Well Qt apps only need to support Qt style themes that come with it. KDE apps need to support Oxygen proper is what I mean |
| 18:20.19 | Sho_ | Half-Left: The app shouldn't care about supporting any style, that's the point of abstracting styles ;) |
| 18:20.30 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Rather, Oxygen needs to care about supporting what the apps do |
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| 18:20.44 | Half-Left | Oh, so the other way around then :p |
| 18:21.26 | Sho_ | To be specific, Arora has a Safari-like effect where it paints a progress bar during load into the background of its address bar. This results in broken rendering in Oxygen because Oxygen doesn't properly clip away everything beyond the content area in line edits. |
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| 18:22.34 | Sho_ | So Oxygen needs to be fixed to behave properly for that case, and then it's fine |
| 18:22.36 | Half-Left | Sho_: So does Rekonq, I don't see any issues with that though |
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| 18:23.17 | Sho_ | Rekonq probably does it different in some way that works around the Oxygen bug |
| 18:23.37 | Sho_ | The Arora people don't want to work around style bugs, though |
| 18:25.03 | Half-Left | Well Rekonq maybe wanting to get into KDE where as Arora doesn't it seems |
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| 18:26.21 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Maybe, but working around rather than fixing bugs is a bad call |
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| 18:28.02 | Half-Left | Yer but I think it makes sense after all, whats the point if it's not using Oxygen style to me it KDE integrated :p |
| 18:28.12 | Half-Left | make* |
| 18:29.07 | Sho_ | Half-Left: If they're so concerned about KDE, though, they should fix the Oxygen bug rather than work around it (assuming they do, I haven't compared the code bases really) |
| 18:29.39 | Half-Left | But if it's a Oxygen bug thats not been fixed, it's not their problem surely |
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| 18:32.56 | nrich | I've added emerald --replace and fusion-icon to my start up commands, but when I start up, emerald does not start, and although I am in compiz, the icon is not there |
| 18:33.02 | zak_ | is there any way to install a new minimization effects for kwin ? |
| 18:33.50 | Half-Left | Write one :p |
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| 18:36.44 | doxtor | Hello, can knotify log the content of my/outgoing messages? |
| 18:36.58 | Sho_ | Half-Left: The way that Rekonq works around the problem is by not actually filling the entire line edit background with the bar, btw |
| 18:36.59 | doxtor | from kopete |
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| 18:37.46 | Half-Left | Sho_: The search bar looks smaller actually yer |
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| 18:38.07 | Half-Left | If thats anything to do with it |
| 18:38.17 | nrich | how do I get kde to start up with emerald window decorations and the fusion icon program started |
| 18:39.06 | Half-Left | doxtor: Just get Kopete to log them |
| 18:39.20 | Sho_ | Half-Left: No that's for a different reason |
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| 18:40.17 | ryanCH | how do you add system sounds to kde4.2?... it doesn't really have options for sounds like, opening/closing windows etc... |
| 18:40.38 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Different widgets are used ... anyhow, at the end of the day, it comes down to Oxygen needing to be fixed :) |
| 18:40.45 | doxtor | Half-Left: via plugins? |
| 18:41.13 | Half-Left | ryanCH: It does |
| 18:41.34 | ryanCH | Half-Left: where? ;p |
| 18:41.34 | Sho_ | ryanCH: System Settings -> Notifications -> The KDE Window Manager -> pick event -> configure sound |
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| 18:42.08 | Half-Left | doxtor: History plugin |
| 18:42.42 | doxtor | Half-Left: that's the thing, history doesn't have logging |
| 18:43.06 | Half-Left | Thats the whole idea of it, it logs messages |
| 18:43.10 | ryanCH | Half-Left: thanks:) |
| 18:43.12 | ryanCH | : |
| 18:43.15 | ryanCH | :) |
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| 18:43.40 | doxtor | Half-Left: I mean it doesn't offer path to log file to enter |
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| 18:44.16 | zak_ | how stable is compiz on kde4 trunk? |
| 18:44.38 | Half-Left | doxtor: It logs them in the kopete .kde directory |
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| 18:45.41 | nrich | how do I get kde to start up with emerald window decorations and the fusion icon program started? |
| 18:46.26 | doxtor | Half-Left: yeah, found it, xmls |
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| 18:47.03 | Half-Left | zak_: I don't think KDE devs take compiz into consideration since it's not a KDE window manager |
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| 18:48.29 | Half-Left | nrich: Which version? |
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| 18:49.09 | maxoo | hi, I have a little problem |
| 18:49.17 | maxoo | I try to install a plasmoid |
| 18:49.18 | maxoo | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/TVProgramme?content=85064&PHPSESSID=f858690d14b9d4e148919436fdf176fd |
| 18:49.26 | nrich | kde 4.2 |
| 18:49.59 | Half-Left | systemsettings>Default Applications>Window Manager |
| 18:52.49 | Half-Left | Sho_: That's true. Skating around the problem Isn't a fix for sure |
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| 18:56.41 | Half-Left | Sho_: Sort of what I have to do with qsvg and tiny spec :p |
| 18:57.14 | Half-Left | On our kdegames :p |
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| 18:58.59 | Sho_ | Half-Left: haven't followed that |
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| 19:01.38 | Ace2017_- | Anyone know who is in charge of the kde dialogues? |
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| 19:01.51 | Ace2017_- | the file open/save dialogues? |
| 19:02.09 | Ace2017_- | i want show hidden files to be added with a checkmark next to it like firefox |
| 19:02.20 | Half-Left | Sho_: Can't have blurred shadows so I have to find another why :) |
| 19:02.47 | Ace2017_- | why no blurred shadows? |
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| 19:03.06 | Sho_ | because QSVG doesn't support the gaussian blur SVG filter, presumably |
| 19:03.15 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 19:03.17 | Sho_ | Ace2017_-: Show Hidden Files is there - with a checkmark next to it - in the dialog's options popup menu |
| 19:03.23 | Ace2017_- | ... where? |
| 19:03.26 | Half-Left | Yep but the new card deck will have blurred shadows :) |
| 19:03.35 | Sho_ | Ace2017_-: The icon in the top-right corner |
| 19:03.36 | Half-Left | has infact |
| 19:03.47 | Ace2017_- | oh no, not hidden in some annoying toolbar button |
| 19:04.21 | Half-Left | way* |
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| 19:04.56 | Ace2017_- | why can't the toolbar and the addressbar be side by side? |
| 19:05.33 | Sho_ | because that would make the address bar very small in a normal dialog size |
| 19:05.34 | Ace2017_- | and get rid of the zoom slider |
| 19:05.48 | Ace2017_- | well if the addressbar was text then it would be a lot shorter |
| 19:05.49 | cvandonderen | Half-Left: can't you do it with a gradient? |
| 19:06.23 | Ace2017_- | its hard with gradients |
| 19:06.27 | Sho_ | Ace2017_-: It supports both breadcrumb and text modes, as in Dolphin |
| 19:06.33 | Half-Left | cvandonderen: Sort of but it dont lok half as good, it looks not good with card edges and a L shape |
| 19:06.38 | Ace2017_- | but i want it side by side |
| 19:06.49 | cvandonderen | Okay |
| 19:06.50 | Sho_ | Ace2017_-: Then change the code |
| 19:07.14 | Ace2017_- | so i change it in one place and its updated everywhere? |
| 19:07.24 | Ace2017_- | or do all apps use custom toolbars? |
| 19:07.46 | Sho_ | Ace2017_-: The file dialog is the same everywhere. The code is in kdelibs. |
| 19:08.07 | Half-Left | cvandonderen: And when you go out the card edge it shrinks the card so you can go to far out |
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| 19:15.15 | Half-Left | Sho_: http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1066/cardshadow.png :) |
| 19:16.10 | Ace2017_- | those cards look cool |
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| 19:16.30 | Ace2017_- | i think the program is buggy though |
| 19:16.34 | Sho_ | Half-Left: looks good, not a big card game player myself though |
| 19:16.47 | Ace2017_- | there are extra floating diamonds |
| 19:16.55 | Half-Left | Me nether |
| 19:17.50 | Half-Left | Ace2017_-: The royals look even better :p |
| 19:18.44 | Half-Left | They're all in trunk for testing ofcourse |
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| 19:48.26 | Defense_ | wtf... i told me openbrain to shut up and now it doesn't work anymore :-( |
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| 19:53.06 | Half-Left | Defense_: That's what you get for being nasty to your apps |
| 19:53.47 | Defense_ | Half-Left: :p thats why i killed openbrain and startet a new one XD |
| 19:56.41 | Defense_ | Half-Left: next time i will start an amok and kill my whole plasma-desktop |
| 19:57.07 | Half-Left | Not a good idea :p |
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| 20:02.20 | Raylz | hm, i got the news from arch rss feed that kde 4.2.3 packages are available |
| 20:02.31 | Raylz | your homepage doesnt show it though |
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| 20:02.59 | cb400f | it's tagged but not released yet.. official release is in 2-3 days |
| 20:03.36 | Half-Left | arch always release it early |
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| 20:03.45 | cb400f | packagers get the stuff earlier, and some don't show the courtesy of waiting for the official release |
| 20:04.32 | Half-Left | Raylz: In testing yer, not officially released |
| 20:04.41 | ChemBro | but kde 4.2.3 is in testing, isn't it? i mean testing in arch linux |
| 20:04.55 | Raylz | ah ok ty |
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| 20:05.25 | Half-Left | They should stay in testing until the official KDE release |
| 20:05.47 | Raylz | Half-Left: and that should be? |
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| 20:06.16 | cb400f | Raylz: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules |
| 20:07.23 | Half-Left | 'Should' being ideally |
| 20:07.37 | Raylz | ty |
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| 20:21.36 | haTem | when I click on a link in an application to load in an already running firefox, firefox gets moved to the current virtual desktop... it used to just stay on the desktop it was started on... is this kwin's fault or firefox's? and does anyone know how to fix it? :P |
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| 20:23.57 | Sho_ | haTem: I don't know the cause, but you can certainly fix it by using kwin's application specific settings options to force Firefox to stay on a particular virtual desktop |
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| 20:27.12 | Neremor | hello! |
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| 20:27.27 | Neremor | I'm trying to install the crystal project icon theme. |
| 20:27.33 | thiago_home | haTem: firefox |
| 20:27.42 | thiago_home | Neremor: Crystal? As in KDE 3's icon set? |
| 20:27.57 | Neremor | I downloaded the .tar.gz-file from kde-look.org and installed it via the systemsettingg appearance dialog... |
| 20:28.08 | Neremor | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal+Project?content=60475 |
| 20:28.11 | Neremor | this one |
| 20:28.58 | haTem | Sho_: nice, it works! forgot about that... thanks :) |
| 20:29.18 | Sho_ | np |
| 20:29.34 | Neremor | It does install, but the symbols are not applied, or, let me say, are applied randomly. Only 2 of my 20 folders in my home folder have the new icons, all the other icons are allocated wrong. The "back"-icon has some strange boxes as icon; everything is messed up |
| 20:29.38 | Neremor | any ideas whats wrong? |
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| 20:32.04 | Neremor | ? |
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| 20:32.45 | BurkeOne | Hi. I've found a bug, which is quite unusual |
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| 20:34.07 | BurkeOne | in the KDE 4.2 release anouncement, there is a video called "The Plasma desktop interface in 4.2". But instead of that the viewer gets a video by sebas about the "social desktop" |
| 20:34.29 | BurkeOne | Is someone interested in that bug? |
| 20:35.56 | Neremor | no one here who could tell me how to install the icons? |
| 20:36.03 | BurkeOne | What icons? |
| 20:36.37 | induction | You just missed his long description |
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| 20:37.27 | BurkeOne | Yes, obviously |
| 20:37.44 | BurkeOne | so what is it about those icons? |
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| 20:39.13 | Neremor | i try to install tem :D the crystal project icons on my kde4 desktop |
| 20:39.29 | Neremor | but the icons are allocated wrong... |
| 20:39.44 | BurkeOne | isn't it possible to install them in systemsettings? |
| 20:39.54 | BurkeOne | using GHNS ? |
| 20:39.58 | Neremor | yes that's what i did |
| 20:40.13 | Neremor | installed the .tar.gz-file from everaldo.com |
| 20:40.40 | Neremor | but only two of the folders in my home directory are using the new icon, the rest still has the old icons applied... |
| 20:40.43 | Neremor | for example... |
| 20:40.53 | Neremor | and i've allready restarted my pc |
| 20:41.45 | BurkeOne | maybe you have to install them as a root user |
| 20:41.56 | BurkeOne | or maybe you have to reinstall the icons |
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| 20:42.12 | BurkeOne | try to use kde-look.org as a source |
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| 20:43.03 | Neremor | yes I'm not able to download the theme file via the installation dialog intigrated in the systemsettings for any reasons... |
| 20:43.15 | Neremor | i klick the "Install"-Button, but nothing happens... |
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| 20:43.40 | BurkeOne | isnt there a get new desingn button? |
| 20:43.47 | Neremor | yes that's what i mean |
| 20:44.21 | Neremor | the "Install"-Button within the dialog that appears if you click this button does not work... |
| 20:45.00 | Neremor | but the .tar.gz-file isn't directly hosted on kde-look.org |
| 20:45.14 | Neremor | the download link on kde-look.org ist just a redirect to everaldo.com |
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| 20:46.20 | BurkeOne | ah, I see |
| 20:46.26 | BurkeOne | do you use 4.2.2? |
| 20:47.33 | Neremor | yes |
| 20:48.38 | Neremor | why? |
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| 20:49.24 | BurkeOne | Just courious. I am also usign 4.2.2 on opensuse and it works for me |
| 20:49.38 | Neremor | hm... |
| 20:49.38 | BurkeOne | what distro do you use ? |
| 20:49.43 | Neremor | kubuntu |
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| 20:49.56 | Neremor | hm every other theme is working perfectly all right except for this one... |
| 20:50.02 | Neremor | hm |
| 20:50.05 | Neremor | I've an ideas |
| 20:50.07 | Neremor | idea |
| 20:50.33 | Neremor | can you tell me where the default icon themes are installed to? the one i install are located in /home/USER/.kde/share/icons |
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| 20:51.25 | Neremor | but there are three themes that are installed (icon manager dialog) and are not within this folder. one of them is also called "Crystal". I think this one causes all the trouble, but i don't know where to find it |
| 20:53.00 | BurkeOne | isnt the default KDE installt in usr? You can search for "*/share/icons*" |
| 20:53.12 | BurkeOne | maybe you find the proper location |
| 20:54.16 | Neremor | yes thanks |
| 20:56.20 | Neremor | no it does still not work |
| 20:56.32 | Neremor | hm could you tell me what you did to install the theme, please? |
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| 20:58.11 | BurkeOne | I just clicked on the"get new designs" icon (Guess thats its name). then a popupdialogue appeared, shoing me all the stuff on kde-look.org. I clicked install and then selected my perfered icon theme |
| 20:58.46 | BurkeOne | It is possible that this is just another Kubuntu but. Kubuntu is still considered to be buggy above average. |
| 20:59.05 | BurkeOne | I cannot share any experiences, though. I do not use kubuntu |
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| 21:00.06 | Neremor | hm |
| 21:00.15 | Neremor | but you did not try to install the crystal project icon theme? |
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| 21:00.18 | zGhost | hello :D |
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| 21:04.25 | Neremor | thanks anyway :) |
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| 21:05.10 | BurkeOne | wait a mom |
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| 21:06.06 | racecar56 | i can't render into mpeg-2 format in kdenlive (version 0.7.3)... i know i have to install some stuff but i don't know what to do... i know ive asked this before but i forgot how |
| 21:06.07 | BurkeOne | I've install crystal SVG |
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| 21:06.39 | BurkeOne | neremor, Is that yours? |
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| 21:07.41 | Eddic | how exactly is automounting handled in kde-4.2? I put a cdrom or usb flash in and it automounts in gnome so hal is working. Nothing happens in KDE, no error or anything |
| 21:09.28 | Walex | Eddic: it may be automounted, you just not seeing the icon appear. The automounting is done by the system, not KDE (mostly) |
| 21:09.41 | Eddic | it doens't show up in /media |
| 21:09.49 | Eddic | as it normally does |
| 21:09.50 | Neremor | no crystal svg is the one that was used in kde3 |
| 21:09.59 | Neremor | crystal project is the one i tried |
| 21:11.06 | thiago_home | Eddic: automounting is not handled |
| 21:11.12 | thiago_home | you have to click on the device to get it to mount |
| 21:11.21 | Eddic | where do I see the device? |
| 21:11.25 | Neremor | hm i have the same problems with wrong icon allocation with other icon themes too |
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| 21:11.46 | BurkeOne | maybe youre right, but I encounter the same problem as you |
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| 21:11.53 | BurkeOne | some folders have changed, some not |
| 21:11.57 | thiago_home | Eddic: in the device notification plasmoid or in dolphin |
| 21:12.00 | Roberth_ | cant I change keyboard layout through kde? |
| 21:12.08 | thiago_home | Roberth_: you can |
| 21:12.13 | Roberth_ | thiago_home: how_ |
| 21:12.16 | Roberth_ | ? |
| 21:12.42 | Neremor | ok |
| 21:12.51 | Neremor | i will try to restart my pc, maybe that helps... |
| 21:12.58 | Neremor | thanks for your help anyway!!! |
| 21:13.00 | Roberth_ | thiago_home: I cant find it anywhere oO |
| 21:13.03 | thiago_home | Roberth_: in system settings, regional & language |
| 21:13.16 | Roberth_ | thiago_home: ahhh thanks |
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| 21:24.10 | CSMan | hey there! |
| 21:24.35 | CSMan | uhmmm... I'm not able to map the win key to show the KDE start menu |
| 21:25.06 | thiago_home | that's expected |
| 21:25.15 | thiago_home | the Win key is a modifier and KDE does not allow modifier-only shortcuts |
| 21:27.49 | CSMan | thiago_home: it used to work with xmodmap -e 'keycode 115=Menu' |
| 21:28.12 | thiago_home | yeah, if you assign the key to a different keycode |
| 21:28.23 | thiago_home | in other words, if you make it something other than a modifier |
| 21:28.31 | thiago_home | but that also means you can't use it as a modifier anymore |
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| 21:30.58 | CSMan | thiago_home: yeah, that's something that works for me, no modifier caps for the win key |
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| 21:35.49 | ponto_ | How do I disable the nepomukservices? Or how to run it at least with the lowest possible priority? |
| 21:37.33 | ld50 | ponto_: maybe disable nepomuk in systemsettings |
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| 21:39.07 | BurkeOne | cya |
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| 21:42.42 | Eddic | do most people prefer dolphin over konqueror? |
| 21:43.40 | kojot350 | Eddic: I think so |
| 21:43.55 | Eddic | what's the real difference? |
| 21:44.12 | induction | Eddic: I do, even though dolphin seems to crash whenever I try to establish a Samba connection |
| 21:44.19 | pumphaus | konqueror is not restricted to file management |
| 21:44.40 | pumphaus | and that's why I prefer konqui over dolphin |
| 21:44.52 | induction | pumphaus: and therefore is not specialized for it, which is my reason for vice-versa |
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| 21:44.58 | kojot350 | pumphataus: exacly |
| 21:45.07 | kojot350 | pumphaus* |
| 21:45.09 | Eddic | I sure wish firefox didn't look all wonky in kde |
| 21:45.15 | shevy | dolphin can not browse remote locations? |
| 21:45.24 | pumphaus | it can |
| 21:45.31 | ponto_ | ld50: do you knwo where? I cannot find it. |
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| 21:49.15 | Eddic | Is there plans for IRC support in kopete? |
| 21:49.33 | ponto_ | ld50: thanks. found it. |
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| 21:49.53 | Roberth_ | hi again... |
| 21:50.13 | ponto_ | Eddic: has kopete lost this support? |
| 21:51.06 | Eddic | ponto_, I couldn't figure it out. I just switch to KDE4.2 from gnome so I don't know the history |
| 21:51.18 | Roberth_ | when trying to play something in amarok, I just get up that device isnt working, i am using the gstreamer backend with phonon, my soundcard works perfectly directly with alsa, i am using kde 4.2 |
| 21:51.54 | ponto_ | Eddic: kopete from kde 3.5 hat support for irc. however i cannot find it in the new version. |
| 21:52.06 | ponto_ | Eddic: konversation is better for irc than kopete ever was. |
| 21:52.27 | Eddic | ponto_, but konversation doesn't work on kde4. I've been using quassel |
| 21:53.16 | ponto_ | Eddic: I am currently using konversation and kde 4. |
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| 21:53.39 | Eddic | ponto_, you must have the kde3.5 libs and stuff installed in parallel though |
| 21:54.14 | pinotree | koversation for kde4 is being developed |
| 21:54.39 | pinotree | and kopete has no irc protocol yet, as it lacked maintaineance |
| 21:55.10 | Eddic | how does konversation compare to quassel? never used konversation |
| 21:56.51 | ponto_ | Eddic: my konversation uses qt4. maybe opensuse uses a beta. |
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| 22:24.49 | Roberth_ | when trying to play something in amarok, I just get up that device isnt working, i am using the gstreamer backend with phonon, my soundcard works perfectly directly with alsa, i am using kde 4.2 |
| 22:24.57 | Roberth_ | what might be wrong? |
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| 22:26.42 | spectral | tried xine backend? |
| 22:26.59 | Roberth_ | spectral: yeah it works but no sound |
| 22:27.04 | Roberth_ | and I dont wanna use xine anyway |
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| 22:27.28 | spectral | I think you need to ask in your distro's channel about sound setup.. sorry can't help more than that |
| 22:27.54 | Roberth_ | spectral I get sound with youtube for example |
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| 22:30.12 | Roberth_ | spectral: and mplayer |
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| 22:30.38 | spectral | and you have phonon-backend-gstreamer and -xine installed? |
| 22:30.48 | Roberth_ | spectral: yes |
| 22:31.35 | Roberth_ | spectral: do I need kdemultimedia? |
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| 22:32.24 | spectral | well i'm no expert at this audio soup.. kdemultimedia sounds like it could be useful, but unsure what's in it |
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| 22:33.15 | spectral | perhaps you need some plugin for xine/gstreamer.. like pulse, or whatever you have going |
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| 22:49.58 | gizmobay | Can someone tell me how to change the view from plasma desktop to folder desktop view in KDE 4.2.2? |
| 22:50.23 | gizmobay | In 4.0 it use to be in the appearance tab but I don't see it |
| 22:50.52 | Half-Left | Apearance Settings>Type |
| 22:51.26 | Half-Left | Under Desktop Activity |
| 22:52.17 | gizmobay | Look & Feel -> Appearance? |
| 22:52.28 | Half-Left | No, right click on the desktop |
| 22:53.04 | gizmobay | Ahh, many thanks |
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| 23:35.50 | common | anyone alive? |
| 23:35.53 | thiago_home | no |
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| 23:38.49 | common | well ok then :) |
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| 23:59.27 | ghabit | Hello. What application can be used for scanning in kde4? |
