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| 00:01.19 | tarimari | hi |
| 00:01.23 | tarimari | how i can write chinese in kde 4.2? |
| 00:03.03 | drantin | uses uim |
| 00:03.17 | drantin | well, for japanese, but it supports chinese and korean too |
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| 00:03.46 | tarimari | uim? |
| 00:03.49 | tarimari | what's this? |
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| 00:04.01 | drantin | Universak Input Method |
| 00:04.03 | drantin | er |
| 00:04.05 | drantin | Universal |
| 00:04.08 | tarimari | it is different than scim? |
| 00:04.19 | drantin | yes |
| 00:04.26 | drantin | it's still maintained :D |
| 00:04.44 | drantin | http://code.google.com/p/uim/ although your distro should have a package |
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| 00:05.20 | tarimari | let me see |
| 00:05.28 | tarimari | i have kubuntu 8.10 |
| 00:05.40 | tarimari | i suppose i must uninstall scim/skim first? |
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| 00:06.13 | drantin | you should be able to have them installed at the same time, but you can only use one at a time. |
| 00:06.46 | tarimari | there is also uim-scim package |
| 00:06.49 | tarimari | :o |
| 00:07.09 | drantin | but #kubuntu would know better how to install and configure it for kubuntu than me |
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| 00:07.45 | tarimari | thanks drantin |
| 00:07.52 | tarimari | i m already there.they say about scim |
| 00:07.55 | tarimari | let's see what will work |
| 00:08.06 | tarimari | i did not found any single complete guide out there :( |
| 00:08.22 | tarimari | uim needs any special config? does it also with control-space? |
| 00:08.45 | Scoobaspeaz | or some reason whenever i try to exit kde 4.2.1 by logging out it gives me the log out message, i will click log out, and then nothing works but my mouse. Its like its freezing waiting on something to close before it will log out |
| 00:08.48 | drantin | you can set it to work with whatever key combination you like |
| 00:09.03 | Scoobaspeaz | if i remove the .kde file it will work just fine for a while then eventually it will do it again |
| 00:09.13 | Scoobaspeaz | it also takes for ever for the kde start up sound to play after i am logged in looking at the deskop |
| 00:09.20 | Scoobaspeaz | anyone know why this would be happening? |
| 00:09.41 | Scoobaspeaz | the only way i can log out is by killing X by doing a ctrl alt backspace |
| 00:10.17 | drantin | tarimari: http://code.google.com/p/uim/wiki/OfficialUserDocument |
| 00:10.29 | tarimari | let me see |
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| 00:14.24 | Scoobaspeaz | my distro is Fedora 10 and kde version 4.2.1 |
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| 00:20.52 | tarimari | drantin i did not manage anything |
| 00:20.58 | tarimari | i install all the programs |
| 00:21.00 | tarimari | i saw the docs |
| 00:21.07 | tarimari | i cant understand what i must run or do or expect |
| 00:21.17 | tarimari | i just type ctrl space and nothing |
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| 00:30.55 | x_link | Hi! |
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| 00:45.33 | Rindae | when i start up kde i get this error: The application Plasma Workspace (plasma) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). |
| 00:45.36 | Rindae | any idea to fix this? |
| 00:46.18 | thiago_home | upgrade |
| 00:46.53 | Rindae | :/ |
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| 00:48.15 | kdepepo | Rindae, you could try deleting your plasma config, ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* |
| 00:48.43 | Rindae | whats stored in the config? |
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| 00:49.11 | kdepepo | Rindae, position of all widgets and panels |
| 00:49.30 | Rindae | ok |
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| 00:54.22 | Rindea | :D worked thanks |
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| 01:00.56 | XwZ | where can I find a tutorial for make a plasma wigdet in c++ and not in ruby ? |
| 01:04.07 | XwZ | I think i've found |
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| 01:10.40 | maazu | g'day |
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| 01:34.59 | HappySmileMan | Guiys I crashed plasma but not sure how because I'm drunk |
| 01:35.05 | HappySmileMan | So sorry for not being able to fill bug report |
| 01:35.34 | Destroyer661 | lol |
| 01:35.44 | Destroyer661 | g'job mate |
| 01:35.45 | HappySmileMan | t5y |
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| 01:53.49 | N9NU | is there a way to display the complete path while using Konsole to edit something....like /var/www/html/forum/index/install in the tab at the bottom of the Konsole progam |
| 01:53.58 | N9NU | or anywhere in the title bar/taskbar |
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| 01:54.09 | N9NU | just for quick reference... |
| 01:54.55 | N9NU | [root@fsx-planet forum]# but add the full path in there |
| 01:55.37 | N9NU | [root@fsx-planet /var/www/html/forum]# like that |
| 01:56.00 | beardbar | can I pin or force an app to open in a specifc deskto on a specific screen. |
| 01:56.41 | XwZ | plasma applets api was not really documented :s |
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| 02:12.02 | maazu | bye all |
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| 02:14.31 | joshjtl | hi |
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| 02:14.49 | joshjtl | can I save dolphin window size? |
| 02:15.17 | InkBottle | do you remember where the file preview are stored in .kde? |
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| 02:16.57 | szal | N9NU: that's not a KDE question |
| 02:17.27 | szal | try looking for "bash prompt modification" or something like that |
| 02:18.07 | InkBottle | I'm trying google with the words of my question but nothing is comming. |
| 02:18.31 | szal | InkBottle: the dir is named 'Thumbnails', don't know the exact location out of my head |
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| 02:18.48 | szal | you should empty it every once in a while |
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| 02:19.50 | InkBottle | szal: find .kde* -iname "*thumb*" gives nothing |
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| 02:20.10 | InkBottle | I thought there where called samll and large, but it gives noting too |
| 02:20.32 | szal | that's what it was in KDE 3 at least |
| 02:21.14 | InkBottle | szal: perhaps |
| 02:21.21 | derek_k | ~/.kde/cache* |
| 02:23.38 | szal | InkBottle: ~/.thumbnails/ |
| 02:24.12 | InkBottle | szal: :) |
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| 02:26.23 | joshjtl | other than just changing the plasma theme, can i adjust opacity of the panel? |
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| 02:33.06 | fde | Is it possible to manually change the color of the Oxygen panel? It was black before, I want it to stay black, but now its some dirty blue color? |
| 02:35.36 | kdepepo | joshjtl, no. |
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| 02:36.03 | N9NU | yes you can.....but its not as simple as just renaming a file |
| 02:36.23 | N9NU | took mw a while to figure it out |
| 02:36.29 | szal | I have 2 panels.. one is blue-ish, the other is black |
| 02:36.41 | kdepepo | fde, you can use old oxygen theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Theme+Black?content=98657 |
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| 02:38.29 | fde | N9NU: I didn't ask for the simple way.... how do you do it? |
| 02:38.49 | fde | kdepepo: if I wanted a different theme, I'd have looked for one |
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| 02:38.53 | N9NU | let me find my howto (text doc( |
| 02:38.55 | N9NU | ) |
| 02:39.50 | fde | N9NU: ahhh, I have to go somewhere for a bit... when you find it, please /msg me it, thank you |
| 02:40.04 | N9NU | yeah sure.....no prob |
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| 02:40.24 | szal | fde: I suppose you will be able to find back hilights in the channel :P |
| 02:40.32 | szal | other ppl might wanna know too ;) |
| 02:40.43 | N9NU | is that my nick color? |
| 02:40.54 | szal | N9NU: ? |
| 02:41.03 | N9NU | ok |
| 02:41.24 | fde | szal: thing is I don't log, and have my IRC client set to only show the last 150 lines... if N9NU doesn't mind, he can put in the channel and /msg me it |
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| 02:41.39 | kdepepo | fde, did you read the link? it has instructions. |
| 02:41.42 | N9NU | yeah no prob... |
| 02:42.11 | progmanos1 | Is there a Strigi applet for KDE 4? |
| 02:42.12 | N9NU | oh ..i saw his link...gives a nice howto as well |
| 02:43.38 | fde | kdepepo: I do not want that version of the theme, its ugly... the current version of the theme is gorgeous in black, but it changed for some reason :/ |
| 02:44.08 | kdepepo | fde, again... you did not read :) hint: the comment. |
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| 03:03.48 | DDevine | Cya. Off to fix a server (pre OS issue) |
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| 03:13.32 | travis | I'm trying to set up an older laptop for a friend and I'm trying to cut down on background services and processes since the laptop is fairly slow. I've unchecked "Enable Desktop Search" but nepomukserver is still running. |
| 03:14.01 | travis | Can this be disabled? And what about ksmserver? What does that handle? |
| 03:15.27 | travis | Okay, well Google tells me that ksmserver is a session handler. I imagine I need that running. |
| 03:15.36 | travis | But can I somehow disable nepomukserver? |
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| 04:42.25 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way to get KDE4's KRunner running in KDE3? |
| 04:42.33 | mangospork_ | Hello? |
| 04:42.37 | mangospork_ | Someone say something |
| 04:42.37 | mangospork_ | plz |
| 04:42.51 | mangospork_ | khASJHASLDJFAKS |
| 04:42.52 | mangospork_ | DFJS |
| 04:42.52 | mangospork_ | DKFJ |
| 04:42.55 | PhrkOnLsh | mangospork_: hi |
| 04:43.03 | mangospork_ | oh gawd. |
| 04:43.11 | mangospork | asdf |
| 04:43.13 | mangospork | sigh |
| 04:43.16 | mangospork | Setting up routers |
| 04:43.18 | PhrkOnLsh | mangospork_: You aren't making any sense when you smash on the keyboard like that. |
| 04:43.19 | mangospork | :/ |
| 04:44.23 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way to get KDE4's KRunner running in KDE3? |
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| 04:48.53 | chillyboarder | anyone here help me with desktop environments? Unbiased of course lol |
| 04:49.52 | Qu4Z | chillyboarder: I can help you, but not unbiasedly. |
| 04:50.00 | chillyboarder | ah, well better then nothing |
| 04:50.16 | Qu4Z | What did you want to know/do? |
| 04:51.00 | Qu4Z | Also, in general, just ask the question, rather than asking if anyone can help you with something. People are less likely to commit to a request if they don't know what it is. If you ask a question, someone who knows the answer will likely go "Well, why not? :D" |
| 04:51.31 | chillyboarder | been doing alot of research, wanting to change to linux for awhile, been noticing there's alot of OS's lol. I found out now about window managers and desktop environments, I'm hoping to use compiz-fusion for window manager, but now need to decide on a desktop invironment, heard there was more then just kde and gnome |
| 04:51.35 | chillyboarder | ah, k |
| 04:52.07 | chillyboarder | wondering what the difference is in desktop invironments, what will be effected if I take one over the other |
| 04:52.18 | Qu4Z | KDE and Gnome are the biggest, and (I think) the most common |
| 04:52.55 | chillyboarder | why is that, are others not as big, have bugs? |
| 04:53.17 | Qu4Z | The others are usually lighter-weight. They implement less features, and don't have their own application suites, etc. |
| 04:53.27 | Qu4Z | On the other hand, they are usually faster ^^ |
| 04:53.33 | chillyboarder | what's an application suite? |
| 04:53.43 | chillyboarder | programs made just for that environment? |
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| 04:54.08 | Qu4Z | Well, programs made for that environment, yes. You can usually run them under other DEs as well, but they won't be as well integrated, etc |
| 04:54.17 | Qu4Z | I'm probably not the best person to try this, tbh <_< |
| 04:54.31 | chillyboarder | so what would be affected, if they still run what would be the problem? |
| 04:54.38 | Qu4Z | Maybe you just want to download an Ubuntu and a Kubuntu 8.04 live disc, and play around with those a bit? |
| 04:55.00 | chillyboarder | I could, internet is too slow at current appt though |
| 04:55.14 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: the best thing about GNOME/KDE is that EVERYTHING is built on the same base, the same tools, the same backends, so it ties everything together very well (take for example KDEPIM, the Information Management Suite for KDE) it's very tightly integrated with IM, EMail, many things that many seperate applications could not do |
| 04:55.30 | Qu4Z | PhrkOnLsh: I think I'll let you take over ^^; |
| 04:55.53 | chillyboarder | so it'll...run faster? |
| 04:56.08 | chillyboarder | being all tied in |
| 04:56.12 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: KDE4 is basically, imo, the direction that desktops are heading in the future, far more advanced than GNOME. As a result, it may be a little bit daunting and confusing at first, but once you are used to it you'll wonder how you live without :) |
| 04:56.14 | Qu4Z | I think more you'll be able to store your details all in one place, etc |
| 04:56.32 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: Not necessarily faster, just a better feel, a better experience |
| 04:57.11 | PhrkOnLsh | personally for a new linux user I'd recommend you try KDE3. I'm running it on KUbuntu 8.04 right now and everything is just supurb. The system makes it incredibly easy to install and configure compiz-fusion, as well. |
| 04:57.14 | chillyboarder | hmm, no going with kde over gnome won't take away any programs right? |
| 04:57.30 | chillyboarder | isn't it kde4 now? |
| 04:57.51 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: of course not; that's the beauty of GNU/Linux. If you can find an application in GNOME you like better you are completely Free to install it in KDE. |
| 04:58.14 | chillyboarder | they both have package manager? |
| 04:58.16 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: 8.04 is under Canonical's Long Term Service until 2009; it's still running KDE3, though you can install KDE4 along side it. |
| 04:58.40 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: yes, they both use adept as their package manager |
| 04:58.55 | chillyboarder | what about 8.10, is that 4? |
| 04:59.28 | Qu4Z | chillyboarder: I recommended 8.04 because I'm still not quite ready for KDE4, but YMMV |
| 04:59.28 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: yes, 8.10 is KDE4 by default; I'm not sure if it's possible to install KDE3 along side it like it is possible to have both KDE3 and KDE4 in 8.04 |
| 04:59.31 | chillyboarder | and 9.04 is coming out in like a month right, so might be best to wait |
| 04:59.55 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: true true; You are able to upgrade without downloading a new CD when there is a release though. |
| 05:00.11 | chillyboarder | oh yea? |
| 05:00.17 | chillyboarder | how big of upgrade dl is it? |
| 05:00.32 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, beats me :) |
| 05:02.36 | chillyboarder | what os's do you guys use? |
| 05:02.46 | Qu4Z | Gentoo here |
| 05:02.53 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm running GNU/Linux. :) |
| 05:02.57 | PhrkOnLsh | Kubuntu 8.04 |
| 05:03.22 | chillyboarder | does linux have update dl's like windows? |
| 05:03.25 | Qu4Z | I don't really object to the term "OS" being used for distros. Makes more sense than using "Linux" as an OS in many ways |
| 05:03.35 | chillyboarder | or ubuntu* |
| 05:03.40 | PhrkOnLsh | what kernel did the r8180 kmod make it in? |
| 05:03.40 | Qu4Z | chillyboarder: You mean, can you update installed packages automatically? Yes. |
| 05:03.43 | PhrkOnLsh | It's not in hardy :( |
| 05:04.04 | Qu4Z | r8180 == what, sorry? |
| 05:04.29 | chillyboarder | no, updates for the os itself |
| 05:04.40 | PhrkOnLsh | the driver for the rtl8180 chipset (off topic i know, but I'm not in another linux channel atm) |
| 05:04.41 | chillyboarder | generally windows it's security lol |
| 05:04.50 | Qu4Z | chillyboarder: I'm not really sure I know what you mean :/ |
| 05:04.53 | Qu4Z | Everything is a package... |
| 05:04.55 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: updates for everything :) |
| 05:04.58 | chillyboarder | k |
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| 05:05.42 | PhrkOnLsh | ugh, i'm running Gutsy, why do I keep mixing that up? |
| 05:05.58 | PhrkOnLsh | will refer to his KUbuntu version in numbers alone for now on. |
| 05:06.16 | Qu4Z | PhrkOnLsh: I don't know what the names for the versions are either <_< |
| 05:06.49 | chillyboarder | why so old? |
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| 05:06.58 | chillyboarder | isn't that 7.x |
| 05:07.32 | PhrkOnLsh | chillyboarder: How should I know?? xD All I know is that, silly names aside, I am running 8.04 |
| 05:08.33 | Qu4Z | Heh, I the only name I can reliably remember is Breezy Badger ^^; |
| 05:08.43 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
| 05:09.07 | chillyboarder | Ubuntu 7.10 |
| 05:09.07 | chillyboarder | |
| 05:09.07 | chillyboarder | Gutsy Gibbon |
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| 05:09.24 | chillyboarder | Hardy Heron is 8.04 |
| 05:09.46 | chillyboarder | Ubuntu 5.10 |
| 05:09.46 | chillyboarder | |
| 05:09.47 | chillyboarder | Breezy Badger |
| 05:09.53 | PhrkOnLsh | okay, see :) |
| 05:09.56 | PhrkOnLsh | thx chillyboarder |
| 05:10.04 | PhrkOnLsh | is officially running Hardy Heron |
| 05:10.55 | chillyboarder | what environment does ubuntustudio run? |
| 05:11.47 | chillyboarder | I should probably get something that ties in the programs I want most importantly, and I'm a media fan. |
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| 05:23.14 | chillyboarder | anyways I'm heading to bed, thanks for the help gentlemen |
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| 07:49.37 | Jucato | System Settings -> Default Applications |
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| 08:09.10 | corinth | Is there a tool that will let me adjust gtk theme colors in KDE 4? |
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| 08:11.56 | Jucato | corinth: ask your distro for a package for http://gtk-qt.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ (and/or its kde4 equivalent) |
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| 08:12.29 | corinth | I have the package installed, Jucato . That only lets me change the theme though, not control the theme. |
| 08:13.24 | Jucato | ah right. misunderstood the question. then the answer would be "run gnome-control-center in KDE 4" |
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| 08:17.03 | corinth | Thanks Jucato, I have to download it. |
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| 08:28.23 | deitarion | Ugh. The more I use Konqueror 4, the more I wish Dolphin never was. It's full of bugs that should have been noticed and fixed by 4.2.1. |
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| 09:20.23 | fde | Is KDE 4.2.1 optimized for Qt 4.5.0? Does it inherit the optimizations automatically if it wasn't compiled for it, but the only libs around are for 4.5.0? I'm not seeing much improvement currently |
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| 09:22.21 | comawhite | I'm using Qt-4.5.0 (qt-copy) |
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| 09:22.39 | comawhite | the only thing is amarok support for it atleast for me |
| 09:23.20 | comawhite | won't compiling with qt-4.5 |
| 09:23.31 | comawhite | some it does, some it doesn't |
| 09:23.32 | spirov92__ | I have a problem-digikam is crashing with the following output:sock_file=/home/dean/.kde4/socket-dean-suse/kdeinit4__0 |
| 09:23.58 | annma | comawhite: ? |
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| 09:45.01 | fde | Speaking of, if KDE 4.2.1 is compiled against Qt 4.4.whatever but the only version of Qt now on the system is Qt 4.5.0, does it get any performance benefits? |
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| 09:46.18 | ebdomino | rou / hello |
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| 09:46.57 | annma | can you assess performance? |
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| 09:47.23 | annma | on my system it would be difficult to see any performance improvements |
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| 09:48.11 | spirov92 | I need help DigiKam is crashing while the splash screen is saying 'loading main view' and outputs "sock_file=/home/dean/.kde4/socket-dean-suse/kdeinit4__0" |
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| 09:48.41 | annma | and all other kde apps run OK? |
| 09:48.45 | spirov92 | yes |
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| 09:49.04 | spirov92 | I'm writing this in kde4-konversation |
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| 09:49.50 | annma | oh does it work |
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| 09:49.53 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 09:50.11 | annma | did you ask your distro if they have encounter same problems with digikam maybe? |
| 09:50.24 | spirov92 | I'll ask |
| 09:50.55 | annma | if they don't know, pastebin the backtrace from crash window |
| 09:51.03 | annma | pastebin = use a pastebin |
| 09:52.13 | spirov92 | hmm, there's noone on #suse |
| 09:52.24 | annma | #opensuse-kde maybe |
| 09:52.30 | beer | how many in here is stil using kde 3.5? |
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| 09:53.09 | annma | beer: the question is biased because usually you have up-to-date people here |
| 09:53.21 | annma | beer: enterprizes for ex still use 3.5 |
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| 10:01.08 | Mikey | Hi Guys |
| 10:01.16 | Mikey | I am using kde 3.5.10 on debian 5 |
| 10:01.24 | Mikey | How do I set the theme for gtk apps |
| 10:01.35 | Mikey | I dont see that option in kde control center |
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| 10:03.14 | spirov92 | I just noticed amarok 2 is crashing with the same output |
| 10:03.57 | spirov92 | I did some updates yesterday. Will downgrading fix anything? |
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| 10:07.52 | annma | spirov92: you have some install problems obviously |
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| 10:08.08 | annma | doesn't people in opensuse help? |
| 10:08.36 | spirov92 | annma: no, the 4.2 packages are unsupported |
| 10:08.51 | annma | lol |
| 10:08.54 | annma | nice |
| 10:09.07 | annma | unbelievable |
| 10:09.25 | annma | why do Suse people brag about Suse having the latest then |
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| 10:10.28 | spirov92 | what really anoys me is that there is only a 4.1.x package for downgrading |
| 10:11.34 | fde | annma: cuz the packages in the build system are very stable? (well, the 4.2.1 ones, the 4.3.x stuff isn't very stable atm, of course) |
| 10:12.00 | annma | so stable packages are unsupported? |
| 10:12.03 | fde | annma: I don't think any knowledgeable person actually uses the released KDE in SUSE |
| 10:12.12 | fde | annma: yes, because they aren't part of the release |
| 10:12.33 | annma | anyway I don't run Suse |
| 10:12.39 | fde | either, but has |
| 10:12.47 | annma | so spirov92 is left in his mess |
| 10:12.58 | fde | Its a nice system, but their menu hacks are annoying |
| 10:13.23 | fde | Especially if you happen to prefer Lancelot |
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| 10:13.52 | spirov92 | openSUSE 11.2 will include kde 4.3, but that's coming out in November! |
| 10:14.07 | annma | we're talking about 4.2 |
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| 10:16.29 | fde | KDE 4.2: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.1/i586/ KDE 4.3 pre-alpha: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/UNSTABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.1/i586/ |
| 10:17.00 | annma | fde: I was asking why the first repo is not supported |
| 10:17.17 | fde | annma: No extensive QA |
| 10:17.19 | annma | I was surprised to hear it was not supported |
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| 10:18.54 | fde | Anyway, I prefer rolling releases, and don't care much for "supported" software... its not like you get real support, and its not like I require it |
| 10:19.24 | fde | Most of the community uses buildservice packages though, so I'd say its better supported than the actual release, basd on what they mean by support |
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| 10:20.04 | annma | spirov92: do you have a sane backtrace from your crashes? |
| 10:20.15 | annma | so I can see what is wrong |
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| 10:23.15 | einar77 | A quick question: does anyone know where Konq's cookies are stored? |
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| 10:24.19 | fde | einar77: ~/.kde4/share/apps/konqueror afaik |
| 10:24.44 | einar77 | fde: found them in $KDEHOME/share/apps/kcookiejar |
| 10:25.06 | einar77 | now to find out why they aren't honored... |
| 10:25.07 | junkY_San | hey |
| 10:25.40 | Simkin | after logging in with kdm i need to run startkde to get to kde. |
| 10:25.49 | Simkin | what config file do i need to alter (i'm assuming for kdm) to fix this? |
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| 10:26.10 | annma | in kdm there is no kde then? |
| 10:26.16 | Simkin | no, ther is kde |
| 10:26.19 | Simkin | but when i select it |
| 10:26.22 | Simkin | i get a xterm |
| 10:26.24 | fde | Simkin: what distro? I need to add it to my avoid list :P |
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| 10:26.28 | junkY_San | i'm using latest kde from the svn. when i'm listening to music with amarok and get a message in kopete, the music gets muted until i restart the song |
| 10:26.29 | Simkin | gentoo |
| 10:26.33 | annma | ah ah |
| 10:26.54 | fde | Simkin: lol... already there... you probably need to add startkde to the ~/.xsession |
| 10:27.10 | Simkin | i'm not experiencing this on any other boxes |
| 10:27.15 | Simkin | it's a little weird. |
| 10:27.16 | fde | Simkin: fwiw, there is #gentoo-kde |
| 10:27.37 | annma | junkY_San: what does the essage say? |
| 10:28.00 | fde | hung out there for like a week once trying to figure out why portage wasn't honoring the SVN overlays |
| 10:28.15 | junkY_San | annma: whatever my contacts send me ;) |
| 10:28.47 | annma | junkY_San: so you are saying that when you get a kopete notification, Amarok sounds gets muted |
| 10:28.54 | junkY_San | exactly |
| 10:29.11 | junkY_San | and also flash sounds in firefox |
| 10:29.17 | junkY_San | i have to restart firefox to get sound again |
| 10:29.18 | annma | did you ask in #kopete or #amarok |
| 10:29.22 | junkY_San | no |
| 10:29.23 | annma | firefox? |
| 10:29.33 | annma | what does firefox do in that? |
| 10:29.55 | annma | ah flash sound |
| 10:29.56 | junkY_San | for example when i watch a movie on youtube, the sound gets muted on a incoming kopete notification |
| 10:30.06 | annma | so it's kopete fault |
| 10:30.10 | junkY_San | seems like that |
| 10:30.17 | annma | try #kopete |
| 10:30.21 | junkY_San | i disabled the sound play on notification, that helps |
| 10:30.31 | junkY_San | but now i don't hear when i get a new message ;) |
| 10:30.33 | annma | if you run trunk however it's unstable |
| 10:30.35 | junkY_San | okey, i'll try that |
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| 10:30.49 | fde | junkY_San: I'd check to ensure (phononbackend)-pulseaudio is installed (probably something like libxine-pulse) and ensure that amarok is using phonon as the backend (it should be) |
| 10:30.49 | annma | sound is unstable in trunk |
| 10:30.56 | junkY_San | ok |
| 10:31.06 | annma | I have sound problems recently |
| 10:31.11 | annma | trunk is not for use |
| 10:33.04 | junkY_San | well, it works well so far |
| 10:33.12 | annma | it worked well, yes |
| 10:33.29 | annma | but recently it got broken because trunk is in heavy development |
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| 10:34.17 | junkY_San | i didn't rebuild it for about 5 days |
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| 10:35.00 | devilsadvocate | junkY_San, that sounds like one of the most common complaints against pulse .. |
| 10:35.42 | gomoran | I have lots of font-families that have more than 4 styles (p.e. normal, italic, bold, bold-italic, condensed, condensed-bold, â¦). I just tried KDE 4.2.0 and it still seems to be impotent to use more then 4 styles per font-family? |
| 10:35.42 | annma | not sure why phonon picked pulse |
| 10:36.06 | annma | gomoran: give a specific example? |
| 10:36.09 | fde | annma: it shouldn't I don't think, but flash uses pulse |
| 10:36.16 | annma | it does |
| 10:36.32 | gomoran | annma: An example for a font? |
| 10:36.33 | annma | phonon changed something recently which broke |
| 10:36.38 | annma | gomoran: yes |
| 10:36.47 | annma | and example of what doe snot work for you |
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| 10:36.59 | fde | annma: I have issues if I don't have xines pulse plugin installed, despite having dmix enabled, which is annoying |
| 10:37.12 | annma | fde: do you run trunk? |
| 10:37.33 | annma | I am only saying that in trunk phonon changed something which recently broke sound |
| 10:37.33 | fde | annma: nope, but it should still be relevant for troubleshooting |
| 10:37.43 | annma | this is about trunk |
| 10:37.53 | fde | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.57 | junkY_San | i don't even habe pulseaudio installed |
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| 10:38.15 | annma | junkY_San: in systemsettings it does not appear? |
| 10:38.20 | gomoran | annma: http://rafb.net/p/skwKC024.html |
| 10:38.22 | annma | anyway what did #kopete say |
| 10:38.24 | Half-Left | Yep, you don't need it |
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| 10:38.46 | annma | gomoran: and what does kde do wrong and where |
| 10:38.56 | fde | hates pulse with a passion, but the right people are selling companies on it, so its becoming mandatory |
| 10:39.03 | junkY_San | annma: no, i only see xine and gstreamer as backends |
| 10:39.13 | annma | as backends, yes |
| 10:39.20 | annma | anyway, forget about me |
| 10:39.40 | annma | I was just saying I think phonon does soemthing wrong as I have problems too |
| 10:39.43 | annma | and this is trunk |
| 10:39.44 | fde | junkY_San: can you try to install the pulse plugin for whichever is selected, and see if it fixes anything? |
| 10:39.48 | annma | so this is expected |
| 10:39.54 | Half-Left | For 4.2 pulse is optional |
| 10:40.10 | gomoran | annma: It only offers 4 styles: normal, italic, bold and bold-italc |
| 10:40.15 | fde | Half-Left: Pulse is always optional, but it should help the stated issues. |
| 10:40.24 | annma | gomoran: where? |
| 10:40.34 | Half-Left | Depends on your distro |
| 10:40.40 | gomoran | In the fontselection-box. |
| 10:40.47 | annma | junkY_San: in output device |
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| 10:40.51 | fde | Half-Left: not really, he listed flash as one of the guilty parties. |
| 10:40.57 | Half-Left | Fedora it gets installed whether you like it or not |
| 10:41.40 | fde | Flash seems to override dmix ime for w/e reason |
| 10:41.43 | Half-Left | But that goes for other components as well |
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| 10:42.30 | junkY_San | fde: i'm using gentoo, but none of the kde ebuilds offer me any use flags containing pulse |
| 10:42.52 | junkY_San | fde: i could install pulseaudio, but i don't know if that will have any effect on kopete or amarok |
| 10:42.57 | fde | junkY_San: I didn't say they would... I said the xine package.... |
| 10:43.12 | Half-Left | No they don't, you don't need pulse for KDE |
| 10:43.35 | junkY_San | fde: you're right, xine has a useflag pulseaudio but it's disabled right now |
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| 10:43.49 | fde | junkY_San: if you use the xine backend that is... things will argue less if you have the xine pulse plugin installed... I know this from experience, I'm not just talking out of my ass |
| 10:44.24 | junkY_San | okey, i'm rebuilding xine-lib with pulseaudio use flag |
| 10:44.25 | fde | Half-Left: flash isn't part of kde, so that statement is of course correct. |
| 10:44.51 | Half-Left | Whats flash got to do with it, it works fine without pulseaudio |
| 10:45.00 | annma | gomoran: any other example with well-known fonts? |
| 10:45.05 | annma | free fonts |
| 10:45.34 | fde | Half-Left: ime, if the backend for phonon doesn't have pulse support, flash (due to its pulse support) will take over the systems sound. |
| 10:45.54 | Half-Left | It's mainly some distros that force pulse into KDE |
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| 10:46.09 | fde | Half-Left: I am a distro hopper, and its true of every distro I have used. |
| 10:47.32 | fde | Half-Left: If he hadn't included flash in his original issue, I wouldn't have said anything, but he did... flash 10 is a pita due to this |
| 10:47.36 | Half-Left | it's not had pulseaudio support since 4.2, and thats only optional in 4.2 |
| 10:49.25 | fde | Besides, if different apps are competing for system sound, it is always due to lack of a sound mixer... pulse provides one, so it should fix his symptoms. |
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| 10:50.21 | Half-Left | Well, Phonon makes this sort of thing simple |
| 10:50.41 | fde | Phonon isn't a mixer. If the app doesn't use it, you still run into issues. |
| 10:51.22 | junkY_San | fde: do i have to restart anything after xine-lib is reinstalled with pulseaudio to take effect? |
| 10:51.56 | junkY_San | or even do i have to rebuild anything? |
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| 10:52.02 | fde | junkY_San: well, phonon starts via startkde usually, so you should probably log out and back in I'd guess |
| 10:52.46 | fde | junkY_San: you shouldn't have to rebuild anything, no... phonon is still using the xine backend, that backend just added a plugin |
| 10:53.16 | junkY_San | okey |
| 10:53.20 | fde | junkY_San: flash is binary only, so you can't rebuild that :P |
| 10:53.51 | fde | junkY_San: although, you probably want to ensure amarok and kopete are compiled with phonon... |
| 10:53.55 | szal | fde: Pulse helps issues? in my experience, Pulse creates issues :P |
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| 10:54.37 | fde | szal: it fixes issues in cases where you've made it the answer... if not all your apps are using it, it will of course cause issues. |
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| 10:54.48 | Sido123_ | hi |
| 10:54.59 | Half-Left | Amarok uses phonon anyway, without it, won't work :p |
| 10:55.10 | szal | fde: ever tried to use Pulse w/ more than 1 sound device? |
| 10:55.48 | fde | Half-Left: I'm just stating it to cover the bases... I don't have much experience with KDE on Gentoo due to fighting with overlays until I gave up. |
| 10:56.17 | fde | szal: uhh, yes... I have 3 sound devices on this machine |
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| 10:56.28 | gomoran | annma: Took some time to find a free one: DejaVu Sans is missing the Condensed Styles. |
| 10:56.36 | Half-Left | fde, Well for your information KDE4 apps use phonon, it's a integral part of KDE4 |
| 10:57.12 | fde | Half-Left: its an integral part of qt :P ... like I said, just covering the bases :) |
| 10:57.27 | szal | fde: and you can assign apps to play their sound to whatever device you choose no problem? |
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| 10:57.48 | szal | fde: independently of each other, that is |
| 10:57.53 | Half-Left | Now thats being picky :p |
| 10:57.56 | fde | szal: yes... although I forget the tool to do it |
| 10:58.15 | molin | i think you can set that in an environment variable |
| 10:58.24 | szal | fde: I wasn't able to do that w/ VLC player output in Fedora 8 |
| 10:58.28 | annma | gomoran: issue a bug report with this DejaVu case then |
| 10:58.43 | fde | molin: there is a GTK app that lets you do it too... but I'm having a brain fart atm |
| 10:59.03 | szal | fde: how about playing FLAC or high-bitrate MP3 audio? |
| 10:59.15 | molin | the important part is to realize that the possibility is there in the current architecture |
| 10:59.17 | fde | szal: VLC is a pos... just use the codecs it utilizes (ffmpeg and libdvdcss) with something that doesn't suck |
| 10:59.52 | gomoran | annma: o.k. |
| 11:00.09 | fde | szal: umm, sure? the kernel has real time support these days... so such things shouldn't be an issue if the sound card can handle it? |
| 11:01.10 | szal | fde: in my case Pulse choked on such files.. no problem however using the sound system directly |
| 11:02.04 | fde | szal: If you're really saying Pulse sucks because VLC is broken, I'm going to laugh |
| 11:02.05 | molin | szal: that sounds weird |
| 11:02.38 | molin | szal: flac files are not some super advanced sound representation |
| 11:02.40 | fde | (also, note that VLC doesn't actually have a pulse plugin afaik, so this is sort of a mute point) |
| 11:02.47 | szal | fde: I wasn't going to hang this on VLC's behaviour specifically |
| 11:04.40 | szal | fde: but if neither Amarok nor Audacious will play 320kbps MP3s (or FLACs, for that matter) without stuttering, which they did using ALSA directly, Pulse is just worthless |
| 11:05.36 | fde | szal: Actually, the whole point of pulse is for exactly such cases, so I'd blame your configuration personally |
| 11:05.47 | molin | that sounds like such a bold claim |
| 11:06.14 | fde | molin: it is stated as a goal of the pulse project *shrug* |
| 11:06.31 | molin | fde: oh, i meant that to szal |
| 11:07.34 | molin | fde: i personally have faith in pulseaudio for the future. although right now it does seem to have some infancy issues. but once all the sound clients adapt |
| 11:09.03 | fde | molin: if it had an arts compat plugin, it would be much more seamless right now... too many users complain though because no one is installing its plugins by default with apps (other than corp types like adobe) |
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| 11:09.28 | szal | recently switched to OSS v4.1 |
| 11:09.40 | fde | Its getting a bad rap mostly because Ubuntu sucks at packaging it though. Everyone has just learned to blame it. |
| 11:09.46 | fde | szal: lol |
| 11:10.27 | fde | brb rolling on the floor and crying slightly |
| 11:10.28 | szal | fde: what's so funny about that? |
| 11:10.40 | fde | szal: OSS is utter and complete crap |
| 11:10.41 | molin | fde: haha, yeah. although i don't suffer from arts incompatibilities. i prefer my DE silent. |
| 11:11.01 | szal | fde: how so? |
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| 11:11.26 | molin | everything is utter and complete crap, but at least pulseaudio lets me use the same set of speakers for all three computers |
| 11:11.28 | fde | szal: Name something you want from a sound system, and that is an example of why.... |
| 11:11.32 | molin | qed |
| 11:12.31 | fde | szal: Primary reason though? Portability means lack of fine tuning, you have to address the lowest common denominator for OS features |
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| 11:14.01 | fde | szal: I remember in the 2.4 kernel, OSS was all there was, and sound was such a pita.... things haven't improved much from my week or so with OSS v4... they just got some attention due to open sourcing it again |
| 11:14.40 | fde | If Linux still relyed on OSS for sound, I likely wouldn't be a Linux user right now. |
| 11:14.41 | szal | hmm, I haven't had to tweak anything yet |
| 11:14.59 | fde | szal: then your requirements are quite low :/ |
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| 11:15.33 | Half-Left | Well like said before, Alsa is primary in the kernel now and for good reason |
| 11:15.53 | Half-Left | But thats another matter |
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| 11:16.24 | fde | Half-Left: actually, it was somewhat similar to the xorg fork... it was dropped due to license change, but today ALSA is technically FAR supperior... |
| 11:16.48 | Half-Left | Well yer and it can do OSS very well |
| 11:17.01 | gomoran | I installed KDE-4.2 from debian-experimental and korganizer only shows the month-view, the other views are simply empty gray planes. It looks like the widgets are missing. |
| 11:17.11 | molin | funnily enough, alsa-oss often seem to work better than alsa for my clients |
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| 11:17.18 | fde | gomoran: #debian-kde would know better |
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| 11:17.53 | pinotree | gomoran: iirc it is a known problem; but i'm not a kdepim guy, so i'm not completely sure |
| 11:18.07 | molin | so i always figured that the oss api is much simpler, and better fit for programs that require only lowest common denominator features |
| 11:18.42 | gomoran | pinotree: A debian-problem or a kde-problem? |
| 11:18.46 | pinotree | kde |
| 11:19.00 | fde | molin: it just means you're likely using something like XMMS that hasn't been touched in 10 years, or haven't changed the sound settings of the app |
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| 11:19.29 | fde | pinotree: hmm, I'm using 4.2.1 in Arch (via Chakra) and am not seeing it? |
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| 11:20.30 | fde | Ahh, yes I am... ugh, I used that like a week ago :S |
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| 11:24.22 | karthikp | So, is there now any way to edit already existing tags? Like, say if I wanted to add a picture or a new description to it? |
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| 11:28.14 | gomoran | This means korganizer is unusable at the moement :( |
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| 11:30.53 | Half-Left | karthikp, You just click the change tag option |
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| 11:33.55 | karthikp | Half-Left: Right, it allows me to change the tag assigned to the specific file. |
| 11:34.43 | karthikp | I was trying to change the attributes of a tag itself. |
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| 11:37.29 | karthikp | A small tag browser where you could view, edit and delete existing definitions of tags is sorely needed... |
| 11:38.19 | karthikp | Maybe as a kioslave... tag:/ and you see all the existing tags... |
| 11:38.32 | karthikp | quickly checks if it works already... |
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| 11:39.01 | karthikp | invalid protocol, sigh... |
| 11:39.08 | karthikp | gtg |
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| 11:53.44 | Eladar | ~html |
| 11:53.45 | apt | i heard html is (Hyper Text Markup Language) A standard language made for typesetting, currently up to Version 3.2. It is mainly used for creating documents on the World Wide Web. Included in the language are provisions for including pictures and links to other pages. |
| 11:53.47 | Eladar | #html |
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| 11:57.12 | _daemon_ | ktorrent is evil |
| 11:57.24 | _daemon_ | it kills the drive |
| 11:58.01 | _daemon_ | i have been torrenting non-stop for 2 months now using ktorrent and since last days the partition started to hang |
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| 11:58.22 | _daemon_ | as in red led is totally on, no read write access oe anything. . |
| 11:59.00 | _daemon_ | i ran disk checks and what not, but nothing was proper |
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| 11:59.23 | _daemon_ | then i used utorrent on win on the same partition and it went fine |
| 11:59.33 | _daemon_ | then put deluge on lin and it went fine |
| 11:59.48 | _daemon_ | then put ktorrent on lin, the disk hung omg |
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| 12:02.59 | freeedrich| | _daemon_: make it reserve diskspace, maybe that helps |
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| 12:11.08 | MoDaX | is there any way to disable kio_http_cache_cleaner or at least make it autorun less frequently. that thing is annoying |
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| 12:22.07 | Rasi | is there an obvious reason why gwenview does not have a wallpaper option? |
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| 12:22.20 | Rasi | you'd somehow expect it in the official image viewer of a DE :) |
| 12:23.00 | _daemon_ | it is unfinished |
| 12:25.09 | Half-Left | Should it? |
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| 12:32.48 | Rasi | i didnt say it should, just said most ppl would expect it |
| 12:34.15 | Half-Left | Hence the ? |
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| 12:36.01 | Half-Left | People want different things from it, it has more than most of what some proper photo apps do |
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| 12:37.13 | gomoran | Is there kdenetworkmanager for KDE4? |
| 12:37.16 | Jucato | Rasi: I think it has less to do about Gwenview and more to do with Plasma |
| 12:37.25 | Rasi | Jucato: i guessed so |
| 12:37.38 | Jucato | (that is, there isn't a way to change wallpapers yet from other apps afaik) |
| 12:38.28 | Jucato | gomoran: knetworkmanager is a project of opensuse. there is a knm plasmoid currently being worked on. don't know it's current status. but knm itself, you'll have to ask the opensuse guys |
| 12:38.35 | colyte | anyone know how to make dolphin stream and not copy before playing video content over smb? |
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| 12:40.36 | Half-Left | gomoran, Some distro's do have it on their testing versions right now |
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| 12:44.35 | gomoran | Hmm. Mine doesn't. And what's the equivalent to kpowersave? |
| 12:45.05 | Half-Left | Power Devil |
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| 12:45.40 | Half-Left | it's actually a plasmoid Widget |
| 12:45.53 | Half-Left | The network manager that is |
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| 12:47.59 | annma | you have the same caring people here btw cumulus007 |
| 12:48.05 | cumulus007 | okay |
| 12:48.20 | annma | but you don't interfere with development questions |
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| 12:48.50 | annma | so now uninstall the akonadi-dev package and remove the CMakeCache.txt file in kdepimlibs build dir |
| 12:48.56 | annma | reissue cmakekde |
| 12:49.55 | cumulus007 | it compiles now |
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| 12:49.59 | Rasi | annma is not always caring tho :) |
| 12:50.06 | cumulus007 | the error occured on ~20% |
| 12:50.07 | Jucato | *cough* |
| 12:50.17 | annma | I always answer build problem questions |
| 12:50.26 | annma | when I am here |
| 12:50.29 | Rasi | irony *cough* |
| 12:50.48 | gohmifune | greetings |
| 12:50.55 | annma | did you build phonon from kdesupport cumulus007 |
| 12:50.59 | cumulus007 | lol :P |
| 12:51.20 | cumulus007 | annma: I guess so, I saw a lots of lines called "phonon/blablabla.o" |
| 12:51.23 | annma | I noted a -I/usr/include/qt4/phonon in your paste taht does not sound too good |
| 12:51.31 | annma | OK |
| 12:51.40 | annma | as long as your qt is not build with phonon |
| 12:51.54 | gomoran | powerdevil is no applications, but only in systems-settings? |
| 12:52.10 | annma | powerdevil is a KControl Module |
| 12:52.15 | annma | and an applet |
| 12:52.24 | gohmifune | under 4.2, I need to figure out how get into my system, I can't get passed the command screen |
| 12:52.25 | Jucato | (and a runner...) |
| 12:52.26 | annma | what application should it be? |
| 12:52.43 | gohmifune | what is the first place I should troubleshoot |
| 12:53.03 | gomoran | Where do I find the applet? |
| 12:53.19 | annma | click on the battery icon |
| 12:53.20 | Half-Left | In Add Widgets |
| 12:53.49 | gohmifune | I think I'm having an issue with services |
| 12:54.10 | Jucato | gohmifune: what command screen? |
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| 12:54.31 | gohmifune | you know how you can go into text-only mode? |
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| 12:54.53 | gohmifune | that screen |
| 12:54.58 | Jucato | ah command line login. you'll have to ask your distro about that. there could be multiple reasons for that problem |
| 12:55.14 | Jucato | (like X not starting up properly, not booting into the correct runlevel, etc) |
| 12:55.38 | cumulus007 | annma: you're awesome, it builds now |
| 12:55.58 | annma | well it was not me alone |
| 12:56.00 | gohmifune | well, my first thought is that has to do with me disabling what were running screenlets |
| 12:56.17 | gohmifune | which is kde |
| 12:56.24 | gohmifune | is there a file where that is stored? |
| 12:56.42 | gomoran | annma: Ah, thanks. |
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| 12:57.01 | cumulus007 | all the guys who helped me: you're all awesome :P |
| 12:57.03 | Jucato | gohmifune: if you're not even able to get into a login screen, then the screenlets are the least of your worries |
| 12:57.16 | Jucato | (applets) |
| 12:57.19 | annma | screenlets: I love that word |
| 12:57.32 | Jucato | those are only loaded *after* you've logged in successfully |
| 12:57.44 | annma | yes |
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| 12:57.56 | Jucato | so if you're thrown into a command line at boot, there's a deeper problem than KDE |
| 12:58.36 | gohmifune | Well, what I mean to say is those were the last changes I can account for, I may have disabled something else in the same menu |
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| 13:01.11 | gohmifune | in general is there a settings file where those settings can be modified? |
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| 13:02.07 | gohmifune | I assume so, because there were things left over from a suse install, but now I'm in kubuntu |
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| 13:22.37 | gomoran | Now to something completely different: KDE is topâdown oriented, as all other GUIs. This is fine as long as you are using a mouse. But as soon as you use some kind of Tablet-PC (ether with stylus or touch-screen) it's quite unergonomic, because pop-up-menues always pop up below your hand, you cover the whole window when trying to access the menubar etc. As this type of device seems to become more and more common, wouldn't it be wise to |
| 13:22.38 | gomoran | revert the KDE GUIs? |
| 13:23.02 | thiago_home | nope |
| 13:23.20 | thiago_home | most people using tablets have their mouse pointers off to the left or right |
| 13:23.27 | thiago_home | so that it doesn't rest under the hand |
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| 13:23.58 | thiago_home | besides, it's nowhere near as common as standard mouse |
| 13:24.05 | gomoran | The mouse-pointer is not below your hand, but the menu that pops up or the window that belongs to the menu-bar. |
| 13:24.46 | gomoran | thiago_home: Not yet, but this devices are becoming more and more. |
| 13:25.04 | sandsmark | I thought the touch screen sales had ground to a halt :> |
| 13:25.09 | thiago_home | when they're 100x more common, we can start discussing this |
| 13:25.52 | thiago_home | besides, on a touchscreen device, you'd want a frogfoot menu, not a popup menu |
| 13:25.56 | thiago_home | it's a matter of device HIG |
| 13:26.02 | gomoran | Think about tablet-pcs, Netbooks with touchscreens, mobile-devices, ⦠|
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| 13:26.39 | thiago_home | right |
| 13:26.55 | thiago_home | they're about 100x to 1000x less common than laptops |
| 13:26.56 | sandsmark | gomoran: I've seen like 2 people actually using a touch screen (at the university), both using windows vista, and both using the normal mouse when actually using the computer (as opposed to writing notes) |
| 13:27.13 | nucleo | Hello. I am using Folder view plasmoid. Is it possible to add to Folder View context menu "Run command" and "Shutdown"? |
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| 13:28.07 | gomoran | sandsmark: I'm using a tablet-pc (slate-type) with linux and kde. |
| 13:28.18 | sandsmark | sure, but you're a huge minority |
| 13:28.36 | sandsmark | (errr ..., s,huge,,) |
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| 13:36.14 | gomoran | For the ones using a mouse it would be no problem, for the other a big plus. |
| 13:36.36 | thelmara | Running KDE 4.1 and fedora: when somebody puts a link in pidgin and I click, it opens in konqueror. How can I open links automagically with firefox? |
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| 13:37.00 | thiago_home | thelmara: ask pidgin developers or Fedora, please |
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| 13:38.16 | thelmara | thaigo_home: Using gnome it opens in firefox, hense I would have assumed that twas the kde open-with option. Cheers anyway. |
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| 13:38.26 | thiago_home | it may be |
| 13:38.33 | thiago_home | but since we don't know pidgin, we don't know what it is using |
| 13:39.01 | thiago_home | if you want to change KDE's default browser, we can help you with that |
| 13:39.07 | thiago_home | but there's no guarantee it'll do anything to pidgin |
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| 13:43.20 | gohmifune | does anyone run gnome-do under 4.2? |
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| 13:45.20 | Half-Left | hehe, why? :p |
| 13:45.27 | Half-Left | We have krunner |
| 13:45.46 | Half-Left | And you don't need the mono deps for it :) |
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| 13:46.25 | Half-Left | That's harsh I know |
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| 13:47.26 | gohmifune | It seems to me that every kde program does what its gnome equivalent doesn't do, and every gnome program does what it kde equivalent doesn't |
| 13:47.33 | gohmifune | it's weird |
| 13:47.45 | gohmifune | but yeah, I think its better for the time being |
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| 13:49.05 | neuron | gohmifune: what functionality are you missing in krunner (and yes you can run all gnome apps in kde if you really want to) |
| 13:49.32 | Half-Left | Well ofcourse you can mix apps |
| 13:49.52 | gohmifune | but it doesn't always work well |
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| 13:50.03 | Half-Left | Why? |
| 13:50.23 | neuron | had a hard time with gnome-do breaking on me, krunner being in c++ should be miles faster, use less memory and be stable. |
| 13:50.27 | gohmifune | I mean, I've always run into stability issues |
| 13:50.50 | neuron | stability issues with krunner? Report them, I haven't had it crash on me at all (except when doing development) since 4.2 |
| 13:51.04 | gohmifune | neuron: no I mean with gnome apps |
| 13:51.20 | gohmifune | neuron: or gnome in kde, or vice versa |
| 13:51.29 | neuron | well, running a qt theme engine for gtk applications might cause stability issues |
| 13:51.41 | neuron | but your running the application exactly the same way as it would run in a gnome enviroment |
| 13:51.48 | Half-Left | Depends How the distro setup stuff, really, I've seen this |
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| 13:51.58 | neuron | with exception of a few daemons and things like nautilus that runs a server/client arcitechture |
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| 13:52.39 | Half-Left | But come on, they work great considering |
| 13:53.26 | gohmifune | neuron: but aside from some graphical glitches in krunner, I'm just curious, because I remember just remember having a better time with it. |
| 13:53.36 | Half-Left | I use inkscape all the time, runs perfect in KDE |
| 13:53.52 | neuron | gohmifune: those graphical issues you can fix by disabling desktop effects, or upgrading to 4.2.1 |
| 13:54.52 | gohmifune | neuron: 4.2.1 is probably the ticket, I have a terrible time with the desktop effects. |
| 13:55.15 | neuron | only had the krunner glitches in 4.2, they are fixed in 4.2.1 however. |
| 13:55.34 | Half-Left | Desktop effects dont need to be on to do your work |
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| 13:56.09 | DeadTreeHugger | they sure make me feel a lot cooler when I do my work though... :) |
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| 13:56.24 | DeadTreeHugger | i only turn 'em of when I'm playing 3D games |
| 13:56.31 | Half-Left | Yer, 'All the cool kids have it' |
| 13:57.36 | DeadTreeHugger | yeah well, I was restoring some kid's PC who tried installing Ubuntu w/o doing her homework first... totally thrashed her partitions... |
| 13:57.59 | DeadTreeHugger | while I was fixing it, she was playing around with my laptop n boy was she impressed by the kwin FX |
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| 13:58.48 | DeadTreeHugger | made me feel a little better abt the fact that I was restoring her rig to run Windows |
| 13:59.11 | Half-Left | yes, it's a good thing to impress but it don't make you work any better or faster |
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| 14:00.09 | Jucato | (YMMV of course) |
| 14:00.10 | DeadTreeHugger | most of the time it doesn't... but "show windows" is pretty useful though... cuts down on the number of alt-tab-tab-tab that I need to do... |
| 14:00.19 | DeadTreeHugger | gotten quite used to it |
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| 14:00.50 | Jucato | Desktop Grid and Present Windows are the two essential effects for me |
| 14:02.16 | Half-Left | Well you can make them effects suit you, don't mean they will |
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| 14:03.51 | DeadTreeHugger | well, at the end of the day, a tube of lipstick ain't gonna make a woman work any better, but that's never stopped 'em... |
| 14:04.12 | DeadTreeHugger | some vanity's good to make us feel better at what we do... |
| 14:04.26 | DeadTreeHugger | as long as it doesn't get in the way too much |
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| 14:17.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:18.18 | DexterF | kde3 keeps bugging me about low space on /home - how can I set the threshold lower or disable the feature altogether? |
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| 14:24.32 | kde|lt-chemnitz | does anyone know about the status of kommander-editor? |
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| 14:39.28 | Geri | hi |
| 14:39.59 | Geri | from the last kde update in fedora 10, k3b wont start |
| 14:41.01 | annma | what error when you start it from konsole? |
| 14:41.09 | Geri | i get this error: <unknown program name>(13856)/: Communication problem with "k3b" |
| 14:41.18 | Geri | Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. |
| 14:41.21 | annma | you should ask in #fedora |
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| 14:41.28 | Geri | okay |
| 14:41.30 | Geri | thanks |
| 14:42.29 | Ace2017_- | hi all |
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| 14:42.49 | Ace2017_- | kde-look keeps logging me out when i 'normally login' so where can i get an openid account? |
| 14:43.20 | Ace2017_- | wikipedia says 'OpenID is an open, decentralized standard for user authentication and access control' so i'm guessing theres more than one place |
| 14:43.30 | vorian | aloha, I'm trying to get one continuious wallpaper on a dual screen set up. what is the proper procedure? |
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| 14:45.03 | Ace2017_- | chop up a big wallpaper? |
| 14:45.29 | arjantop | Ace2017_-: http://openid.net/get/ |
| 14:45.54 | molin | i'm trying to get a dual screen set up. when i go into Display in System Settings i can see all my outputs but I can only get a cloned desktop on both outputs |
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| 14:46.34 | Ace2017_- | arjantop: verisign looks good, which one would you use? |
| 14:47.05 | arjantop | Ace2017_-: I use myopenid |
| 14:47.07 | molin | i see a large rectangle in the right part of the screen, and it looks like i should be able to drag it, but I can't seem to do it |
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| 14:51.28 | zc00gii | how do I add a iPod device in amarok 2.x ? |
| 14:52.09 | annma | when you connect it, it's not detected? |
| 14:52.44 | arjantop | zc00gii: it should be deteceted when you mount it |
| 14:53.12 | zc00gii | okay |
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| 14:54.07 | zc00gii | lets see if it'll work with sshfs and a ipod touch |
| 14:54.25 | zc00gii | or must I mount it with mount ? |
| 14:55.11 | arjantop | zc00gii: mounting in dolphin etc. should work |
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| 14:55.30 | zc00gii | :\ |
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| 14:55.51 | zc00gii | I have to use sshfs |
| 14:55.59 | arjantop | it works with nano 2g |
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| 14:56.28 | zc00gii | I know it'll work with a ipod touch with amarok 1.x at least |
| 14:56.36 | zc00gii | doesn't want to downgrade |
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| 14:57.55 | zc00gii | is there another way? |
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| 15:00.04 | zc00gii | ungracfully downgrades amorok |
| 15:00.10 | zc00gii | ungracefully* |
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| 15:15.24 | gohmifune | hey guys, quick question, what settings aren't stored in home? |
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| 15:16.20 | roman | system wide settings :) |
| 15:17.56 | gohmifune | But all program settings are in home? |
| 15:18.39 | doleyb | gohmifune: some program setting are for whole system. Like defaults for users who don't have their own settings. Those are in /etc |
| 15:18.54 | Jucato | gohmifune: only the programs whose settings have been modified by the user, either directly or indirectly |
| 15:19.03 | Jucato | (as well as user-specific settings) |
| 15:19.45 | gohmifune | ok, thanks. |
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| 15:23.01 | silver_hook | When I open up e.g. Blip.tv in Konqueror, it opens up DragonPlayerPart for playing some videos (e.g. *.mp4), while not for others (e.g. *.ogg). I've tried already meddling with the "File Associations" settings, but it didn't solve it. Any ideas? |
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| 15:30.40 | Cherock | Hi all |
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| 15:30.53 | Cherock | Where can I post a snapshot? |
| 15:31.15 | Cherock | Have an issue with FSV |
| 15:31.21 | Jucato | imagebin.com (I think) or imageshack.us |
| 15:31.23 | Jucato | FSV? |
| 15:31.44 | Cherock | Can't get rid of it on Konqueror |
| 15:32.55 | mx-tvt | hey... is there any reason why konqueror would open a gtk file picker for www.imageshack.us? |
| 15:33.09 | mx-tvt | like the one from firefox |
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| 15:34.38 | bline | is there someway to get konqueror to open ftp urls in Dolphin? |
| 15:34.55 | thiago_home | mx-tvt: do you have flash in that webpage? |
| 15:35.03 | mx-tvt | thiago_home: yes I do |
| 15:35.09 | thiago_home | then don't click inside it |
| 15:35.13 | thiago_home | killall nspluginviewer |
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| 15:35.22 | thiago_home | that way you're sure you're not using gtk |
| 15:35.44 | mx-tvt | ah... so it's the nspluginviewer fault |
| 15:35.57 | mx-tvt | makes a bit more sense |
| 15:35.59 | mx-tvt | thanks |
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| 15:37.49 | thiago_home | not the pluginviewer's fault |
| 15:37.50 | thiago_home | the plugin's |
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| 16:04.41 | roman | hi, how to set custom kdecache-<user> folder? |
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| 16:13.58 | thiago_home | export KDEVARTMP=.... |
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| 16:15.47 | duckinator | hi |
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| 16:21.48 | Ace2017_- | how do i stopp kde3 from downloading every link i click on first then sending it to konqueror. its pointless , why can't it be sent directly to konqueror? |
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| 16:27.41 | thiago_home | what part of KDE does that? |
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| 16:29.53 | cb400f | guesses it's about the notification thingy that appears |
| 16:30.00 | cb400f | hm |
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| 16:31.02 | gkiagia | it's kio that predownloads the page to recognize its mime type and then sends the downloaded page to konqueror |
| 16:32.28 | thiago_home | it could be that his konqueror association is misconfigured |
| 16:32.38 | thiago_home | so it actually downloads the page the points konq to the downloaded temp file |
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| 16:46.07 | johnrw | waves |
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| 16:48.55 | johnrw | i was taking a look at the kioslave->fish bug... and so i'm wondering if there's a dev channel for kde... |
| 16:49.21 | johnrw | that would be http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145123 |
| 16:49.42 | johnrw | an old bug :) |
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| 16:52.57 | derRichard | which konsole font are you guys using? i like "misc fixed" but it slows kde's konsole :( |
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| 17:15.44 | beardbar | Is there a way to increast the font size of kde? everything is so small I can barely read it and my eye sight sucks marshmellow pants. |
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| 17:17.53 | beardbar | I found it |
| 17:17.54 | beardbar | duh |
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| 17:27.55 | gomoran | An debian experimental: korganizer â akonadi-server â mysql-server. Is it realy neccessary to hav a mysql-server for a single calender? |
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| 17:30.43 | aditsu | hi, how can I use kbtobexsrv? |
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| 17:32.51 | Half-Left | gomoran: It's for the wholepim suite |
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| 17:34.04 | gomoran | O.K.: calendar and addressbook, nevertheless a bit of overkill? |
| 17:34.20 | Half-Left | and kdenetwork apps |
| 17:34.39 | Half-Left | andf amarok2 uses it |
| 17:35.14 | Half-Left | Not the fullt mysql ofcourse |
| 17:35.20 | Half-Left | full* |
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| 17:36.02 | beardbar | can i change the panel colors as well, depending on how I resize it, its either blue or black. |
| 17:36.14 | gomoran | It depends on mysql-server, so a mysql-server gets installed. |
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| 17:36.31 | Half-Left | No you can't, only aya changes colour to the kde colour settings |
| 17:36.53 | Half-Left | gomoran: It only uses mysqle |
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| 17:37.17 | beardbar | half-left: what is aya exactly? |
| 17:37.31 | Half-Left | A plasma theme that comes with 4.x |
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| 17:38.12 | Half-Left | Otherwise you have to edit the svg files manually |
| 17:38.43 | gomoran | akonadi-server depends on mysql-server ( http://packages.debian.org/sid/akonadi-server ) there is no mysqle in debian. |
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| 17:39.00 | beardbar | thanks for the info half-left, always a help you are. |
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| 17:39.41 | Half-Left | :) |
| 17:40.09 | Half-Left | gomoran: mysqle is part of mysql |
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| 17:41.02 | Half-Left | You'll notice that mysql is not running |
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| 17:44.59 | gomoran | I have /usr/sbin/mysqld running⦠|
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| 17:45.36 | Half-Left | Right and the problem is? :p |
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| 17:47.15 | gomoran | So, could you enlighten me what's mysqle? |
| 17:47.36 | pinotree | mysql embedded |
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| 17:48.12 | gomoran | So I have a full blown enterprise database-server runnung just for kdepim? |
| 17:49.38 | Half-Left | no :) |
| 17:50.36 | gomoran | why not? |
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| 17:51.24 | Half-Left | because mysqle is not the full thing |
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| 17:51.47 | Half-Left | or what you think it is anyway |
| 17:52.12 | gomoran | this is not the full thing: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mysql-server-5.0 |
| 17:54.04 | Half-Left | It's using a part of it, the mysqle part |
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| 17:57.05 | Half-Left | So if you want to access lots of pim info, it's very, very quick |
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| 17:58.22 | P-Luc_Auclair | has any of you noticed that Ark cannot open very large zip files (mine is 3.6gb) |
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| 18:01.26 | gomoran | This means I can stop the mysql-server? |
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| 18:02.15 | gomoran | I just noticed that korganizer displays the times of my old entries in UTC if I try to edit them⦠|
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| 18:35.45 | shelldude | I want to be able to right click the dolphin contents window(meaning: where all the icons are in the middle of the screen) see 'open terminal' listed, and click it to open a terminal in that path. |
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| 18:41.23 | Kohlrabi | press F4 |
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| 18:44.18 | Kohlrabi | what is kded4? |
| 18:44.26 | Kohlrabi | And why is it using 92% CPU here? :O |
| 18:44.31 | shelldude | Kohlrabi, i don't want a small one... |
| 18:44.37 | shelldude | i want a free konsole.. |
| 18:44.45 | shelldude | i don't want to rip it out |
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| 18:50.48 | shelldude | How to open a free terminal in current window? How to add to dolphins context-menu? |
| 18:50.57 | Flarkis | hello |
| 18:51.10 | shelldude | that is, f4 doesn't work as i want |
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| 18:51.21 | Flarkis | i was wondering if there is anyone here who has some basic knowledge of nepomuk |
| 18:51.49 | Flarkis | shelldude: Your question does not make sense in english |
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| 18:52.52 | shelldude | Flarkis, i think so... a "free terminal" is the opposite of what you get when you press f4 in dolphin... |
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| 18:53.37 | Flarkis | shelldude: I mean that the grammar does not make sense |
| 18:53.54 | Flarkis | again...i was wondering if there is anyone here who has some basic knowledge of nepomuk? |
| 18:54.04 | Kohlrabi | probably not |
| 18:54.15 | Kohlrabi | patience is a virtue ;) |
| 18:54.19 | shelldude | Flarkis, you should ask specific questions if you want someone to help you |
| 18:54.56 | shelldude | Flarkis, and the definition of grammar that makes sense is whether a meaning can be derived from it that the poster intended |
| 18:55.30 | Flarkis | Ok, well my specific question is that if soprano is build with both the sesame2 and redland backend which one will it default to? |
| 18:56.18 | pusling | sesame2 |
| 18:56.24 | Flarkis | Shelldude: yes, I am aware of that, I am a native english speaker and i have no idea what you are trying to get help about |
| 18:56.28 | Flarkis | thanks : ) |
| 18:57.23 | shelldude | Flarkis, the meaning of a sentence is also limited by the interpreters understanding of the terms and his capacity for imagination :P |
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| 18:58.21 | junkDawgie | shelldude: i would help if i could, but in my 4.2.1 dolphin has an "open Terminal here" in the context menu under Actions |
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| 18:58.59 | shelldude | junkDawgie, but you only get that menu when you right-click a folder. not when youre already inside it |
| 18:59.22 | junkDawgie | very true the highlighted item must be a folder |
| 18:59.39 | shelldude | so i have to go back one folder.. then click the folder again. kind of impractical |
| 18:59.44 | Flarkis | shelldude: ;p ...lucky for you I am a nice person and don't want a flame war...but i am a programer and a long time KDE user. I think there is an option to set the right click menu contents somewhere |
| 19:00.01 | spirov92 | if I delete the kde4-kcm_gtk package, will gtk apps use the current Gnome theme? |
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| 19:00.29 | shelldude | Flarkis, I wondered wheter you would get pissed or not ;) i'll look into what you said |
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| 19:00.35 | shelldude | oops |
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| 19:03.46 | shelldude | ok, so my new question is: how can i edit the menu that shows when i right-click inside a folder in dolphin? |
| 19:04.02 | shelldude | not /ON/ a folder, but "inside" it. |
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| 19:07.21 | fox | hello. I have curious issue with KOrganizer (KDE 4.2.1) : the week and day view are always empty. Month view is ok. Does anyone encounter this issue ? |
| 19:09.03 | cb400f | you should be happy.. means you're not too busy ;-) |
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| 19:10.48 | fox | cb400f: Well... it's quite useful. I test it with new user (fresh $HOME) and got the same problem.. Very annoying. |
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| 19:12.29 | s0512 | i have kde3.5 in gentoo. can anyone point to any documentation to change to kde4.2 |
| 19:12.29 | cb400f | I guess I don't understand.. maybe you could provide screenshots of your problem.. kde 4.2.1 korganizer works most excellently for me |
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| 19:14.47 | eCLEsiASt | s0512: in kde.org you have all the documentation. check it!!! |
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| 19:16.01 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 19:16.16 | Ace2017_- | kde4 isn't using 16x16 icons in toolbars |
| 19:16.18 | beardbar | can I pin a plasmoid to one desktop? |
| 19:16.28 | Ace2017_- | i set it to 16x16 in kcontrol but mucb bigger icons are used |
| 19:16.45 | fox | cb400f: http://imagebin.ca/view/Sqynxai.html |
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| 19:19.33 | kdepepo | Ace2017_-, known bug, set system settings to 22 size, then individual apps to 16. |
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| 19:20.08 | Ace2017_- | :( |
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| 19:20.19 | Ace2017_- | when will the next version be out? |
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| 19:21.35 | kdepepo | Ace2017_-, the bug isn't fixed yet, just use the workaround. |
| 19:22.07 | Ace2017_- | :( |
| 19:22.23 | Ace2017_- | kdepepo: has it been assigned to anyone yet? |
| 19:22.29 | cb400f | beardbar: no, but you can do that with different activities |
| 19:22.42 | SSJ_GZ | Ace2017_-: I've assigned it to myself. |
| 19:23.17 | cb400f | fox: hmm.. that doesn't look so good.. doesn't look like that here.. are you doing something funny, like experimenting with qt4.5+kde4.2? |
| 19:23.35 | beardbar | cb400f: looks like i need to read up on activities |
| 19:23.48 | kdepepo | Ace2017_-, regarding Skulpture equivalent for Qt3, I just use Lipstik. |
| 19:24.46 | kdepepo | it isn't similar, but simple enough :) |
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| 19:25.02 | SSJ_GZ | Oh wait - no I haven't :) I want to fix it, though. |
| 19:25.26 | fox | cb400f: yes, I build my kde 4.2.1 with Qt5 |
| 19:26.28 | cb400f | don't think that's recommended.. since 4.2 was developed and tested against qt4.4 .. but who knows, maybe something else is causing the problem |
| 19:27.29 | fox | cb400f: I'am currently rebuilding kdepim... |
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| 19:32.50 | Ace2017_- | hm... its strange |
| 19:33.03 | Ace2017_- | you'd think that kde4 and 3 could be themed by a single app |
| 19:33.23 | Ace2017_- | wonders why kde3 and 4 can't both use one widget style |
| 19:33.41 | SSJ_GZ | Ace2017_-: One is Qt3, the other is Qt4. |
| 19:33.47 | kdepepo | Ace2017_-, qt3 and qt4 are not api compatible. |
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| 19:34.24 | kdepepo | QtCurve has three styles actually (qt3, qt4, gtk2) |
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| 19:34.46 | bassio | hey guys, I have a question |
| 19:34.58 | bassio | I want a simple way to write German umlaut |
| 19:35.05 | Ace2017_- | yea i use qtcurve now, but i prefer skulpture |
| 19:35.11 | bassio | using my US Default keyboard layout |
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| 19:35.33 | bassio | any hints? |
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| 19:36.35 | guid | hi. |
| 19:36.57 | guid | I used to grab my CD with cdrom:// kioslave in KDE3. How to do the same with KDE4? |
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| 19:37.25 | sparr | sandsmark, Jucato, p_quarles: upgraded to 4.2. krunner is still unacceptably slow |
| 19:37.55 | cb400f | guid: it's audiocd:/ |
| 19:38.21 | sparr | what was the kde3 alt+f2 launcher called? |
| 19:38.25 | guid | ouch :) I'm tired ;) thanks cb400f |
| 19:38.42 | cb400f | sparr: think it was just called "the run command thingy" ;-) |
| 19:39.04 | cb400f | or "Alt+F2" ;-) |
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| 19:40.45 | sparr | cb400f: well, if i was going to try installing it alongside 4.2 (sans krunner), what binary would i be looking for? |
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| 19:41.40 | cb400f | not sure.. maybe it was part of kdesktop |
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| 19:42.26 | sparr | that would be unfortunate :( |
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| 19:45.05 | sparr | in 4.2 my K menu now has nice-icon Settings and System folders, along with filder-icon Settings and System Settings folders. what's up with that? |
| 19:46.45 | Muzer | I'm getting fed up with kaffeine's lack of certain features (this time it's seeking when streaming), so I am looking for a replacement. Unfortunately, I've yet to find one that works with my TV card (Kaffeine does), it's a Win-TV HVR-1100 with the Phillips chipset (not the Conexant chipset which is more common and more compatible). |
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| 19:47.01 | Muzer | I'm currently trying KMplayer, anyone had any luck getting it to work in there? |
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| 19:48.08 | olsta | hello |
| 19:48.37 | olsta | my apps for example okular, konqueror start always in fullscreen |
| 19:48.55 | Muzer | Also, the only source for the information was the Gentoo Wiki, which was only kept alive by Google Cache, which has now gone down. |
| 19:48.57 | olsta | but why? |
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| 19:50.48 | sparr | Muzer: i have no idea about your hardware, but have you tried smplayer? |
| 19:51.10 | Muzer | no. I'll have a look at that right now. |
| 19:51.22 | Muzer | This is DVB I want, by the way, analogue works fine (but is a bit useless) |
| 19:51.26 | olsta | can someone help? |
| 19:51.26 | Muzer | forgot to mention that |
| 19:53.52 | Muzer | sparr: Can that even do TV? I can't find any mention of it in the options. |
| 19:53.57 | Muzer | or anywhere. |
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| 19:54.53 | Muzer | I'm using version 0.6.2 from the GetDeb repo. |
| 19:55.52 | pinotree | olsta: are you using compiz? |
| 19:56.18 | olsta | yes |
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| 19:56.46 | pinotree | olsta: known compiz problem, â #compiz-fusion |
| 19:56.59 | olsta | thx pinotree |
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| 19:59.30 | Muzer | sparr: Hello? |
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| 19:59.55 | Muzer | Anyone else got any media player suggestions, or suggestions on how I would go about getting my DVB hardware to work in KMplayer (which seems otherwise perfect)? |
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| 20:03.02 | ebdomino | ++ |
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| 20:06.33 | kc8hfi | it would be nice if when you press the cd eject button on the cd drive to have it eject |
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| 20:08.54 | sandsmark | Muzer: I think the kaffeine developers are getting ready to releasy a kde4 beta soon |
| 20:09.19 | Muzer | actually, coming to investigate, it seems to be a gxine limitation that doesn't allow seeking in an ogg stream |
| 20:10.08 | Muzer | -g |
| 20:10.47 | Muzer | since kmplayer can't do it anyway |
| 20:10.53 | Muzer | let me try it with kaffeine and gstreamer |
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| 20:12.37 | Muzer | OK, that can't do it either :p |
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| 20:12.42 | Muzer | and the audio is horrible |
| 20:12.55 | sandsmark | ? |
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| 20:12.59 | sandsmark | what are you trying to do ? |
| 20:14.42 | elsa | xarikletas@hotmail.com |
| 20:15.00 | Muzer | be able to seek in an ogg streamed from the internet |
| 20:15.39 | pinotree | elsa: no spam please |
| 20:15.51 | Muzer | specifically this one: http://www.tuxradar.com/files/podcast/tuxradar_s01e02.ogg |
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| 20:26.42 | Muzer | no recommendations? |
| 20:29.57 | fwk | where's powerdevil in kde? |
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| 20:32.42 | Muzer | I can't actually find anything that can do what I want, I'm not even sure if it's possible, so I think I'll just stick with kaffeine for now |
| 20:33.02 | doleyb | Muzer: yeah, it was odd for you to expect the stream would let you seek. |
| 20:33.12 | Muzer | why wouldn't it? |
| 20:34.01 | Muzer | surely it can start downloading from an arbitary location? |
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| 20:34.23 | sandsmark | not necessarily |
| 20:34.27 | Muzer | like what download resuming does? |
| 20:34.29 | Muzer | no? |
| 20:34.55 | Muzer | I'll have to stick with fast forwarding at 2x speed then |
| 20:34.57 | Muzer | damn slow |
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| 20:38.39 | peaches | doest vlc seek ogg |
| 20:39.19 | peaches | btw totem i noticed has very quick local seeking |
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| 20:40.55 | Muzer | there's still a few more issues with kaffeine that make it very annoying for me, so I would be happy to find an alternative. |
| 20:41.00 | Muzer | Does VLC have DVB supporT? |
| 20:41.05 | Muzer | s/T/t |
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| 21:23.39 | P-Luc_Auclair | nvw, I just removed the folder altogether |
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| 21:54.46 | Mason | Can Fedora 10 run KDE 4.2? |
| 21:57.36 | cb400f | think they released 4.2 as an official update.. you should prolly ask in #fedora |
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| 22:00.04 | Mason | cb400f: Oh, thanks. |
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| 22:00.37 | whtvr | hi all |
| 22:00.45 | Mason | hi |
| 22:00.47 | whtvr | quick question, how do i remove these arrow emblems from links (shortcuts) in kde 4.2? |
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| 22:06.01 | tuxick | what's the name of kview on kde4? |
| 22:06.48 | whtvr | okular? |
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| 22:15.28 | tuxick | got a new problem now have to hold each key 1 sec to type |
| 22:16.07 | NSaibot | a very long cable extension on your keyboard? |
| 22:16.14 | NSaibot | hides |
| 22:16.31 | tuxick | no using kde4 |
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| 22:16.48 | tuxick | =broken |
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| 22:17.41 | schafi | is it possible to trigger a kwin effect via dbus? I want to trigger the cube effect to a laptop hotkey which is not accessible via qt |
| 22:19.53 | tuxick | restarted kde, better than getting all worked up |
| 22:20.12 | tuxick | kde4 got so bad even windows can beat it |
| 22:20.32 | NSaibot | smells a troll |
| 22:20.47 | tuxick | no, i've been having all sorts of problems ever since i started trying kde4 |
| 22:20.54 | tuxick | and NONE have been fixed yet |
| 22:21.18 | tuxick | funny enough most are keyboard related |
| 22:21.31 | pusling | tuxick: you turned on a accessibility feature ... |
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| 22:21.42 | tuxick | hmm |
| 22:22.14 | tuxick | accidentally? |
| 22:22.18 | pusling | yes. |
| 22:22.31 | tuxick | ok, for once not a bug then :) |
| 22:22.52 | pusling | it is a bug. it doesn't behave like it should. |
| 22:22.59 | tuxick | oh |
| 22:23.00 | pusling | it should ask you "do you want to turn on..." |
| 22:23.25 | NSaibot | when does that happen? |
| 22:23.59 | pusling | when having accesisibilty gestures enabled and holding shift for 8 seconds |
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| 22:24.17 | NSaibot | good to know :) |
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| 22:26.54 | schafi | is it possible to trigger a kwin effect via dbus? I want to trigger the cube effect to a laptop hotkey which is not accessible via qt |
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| 22:28.21 | illissius | question: why are all my KDE applications having encoding issues, while GTK and plain Qt4 apps don't seem to? (nor konsole, after i manually set it to use UTF8 in the options) |
| 22:29.14 | illissius | LANG, LANGUAGE, and LC_ALL are all set to en_US.UTF-8 (i even recompiled qt/kdelibs/base just in case), and convmv confirms that my filenames are utf8 |
| 22:29.19 | illissius | and i'm using kde4 from svn |
| 22:29.23 | illissius | <3 encodings! |
| 22:29.53 | NSaibot | encoding issues as in? |
| 22:30.24 | illissius | file/dirnames with special characters in them have those characters displayed as multiletter gibberish instead |
| 22:30.28 | illissius | in dolphin and krusader at least. |
| 22:30.50 | NSaibot | my locale is de_DE.UTF-8 so that i can see my beloved umlauts |
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| 22:31.41 | illissius | yeah, that's the thing... my locale is right, my filenames are right, and yet kde apps are displaying it wrong |
| 22:34.06 | illissius | hmm. actually |
| 22:34.06 | NSaibot | which distro? |
| 22:34.21 | illissius | kubuntu, but anything using qt4 (incl kde) is compiled from source |
| 22:34.37 | illissius | lemme try something |
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| 22:37.40 | illissius | so, apparently, the problem was that my kde session doesn't source ~/.bashrc, which is where i was setting all these things |
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| 22:37.54 | x_link | Hi! |
| 22:38.01 | illissius | but the only way i knew of to check them was konsole, which does |
| 22:38.19 | x_link | I need to ask something, but I just have to upload a pic so that you can see. |
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| 22:40.24 | x_link | http://www.speedyshare.com/516980404.html |
| 22:40.31 | x_link | How can I make those icons smaller? |
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| 22:41.42 | pinotree | x_link: suggestion: please use pastebins for images, instead of "rapidshare" or whatever |
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| 22:42.06 | x_link | pinotree: Okey, I didn't know what I couldn't upload pictures. |
| 22:42.06 | pinotree | and you have to ask in a firefox channel for firefox questions |
| 22:42.12 | x_link | I'm sorry. |
| 22:42.34 | x_link | pinotree: But it's a KDE-setting I have changed somewhere, but I don't know where. |
| 22:42.39 | pinotree | ??? |
| 22:42.41 | x_link | I'm 100% sure of that. |
| 22:42.48 | pinotree | kde has no control over firefox |
| 22:42.58 | x_link | Well okey, forget my question. |
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| 22:47.31 | x_link | pinotree: The thing is that I changed something in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/something, but it was not for this. I think tis icons was changed after taht. |
| 22:47.35 | x_link | That. |
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| 22:47.44 | x_link | pinotree: That's why I asked here. |
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| 22:48.09 | pinotree | x_link: you most probably have some firefox theme that uses kde icons |
| 22:48.14 | illissius | so apparently, i have to set these things in startkde, neither .bashrc nor Xsession.d/thingie is enough |
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| 22:48.42 | pinotree | but we don't support firefox nor any of its theme or addons, so you're pretty out of luck in askig here for firefox, sorry |
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| 22:48.59 | x_link | I don't use any theme. |
| 22:49.02 | x_link | pinotree: Okey, thanks. |
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| 22:49.45 | x_link | pinotree: Sorry for disturbing! |
| 22:49.53 | pinotree | no disturb |
| 22:49.59 | x_link | Good =) |
| 22:50.00 | schafi | is it possible to configure the dashboard to show other widgets than on the desktop? |
| 22:50.01 | NSaibot | illissius: i have that stuff in my /etc/profile |
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| 22:50.19 | illissius | now, though, dolphin complains about not being able to find mime types, and all the icons are blank :/ |
| 22:50.20 | NSaibot | well, actually in /etc/profile.env which is pulled in by /etc/profile |
| 22:50.30 | illissius | does anything look wrong with this? http://kde.pastebin.com/d443b094b |
| 22:50.43 | pinotree | yes, there is something |
| 22:51.29 | pinotree | XDG_DATA_DIRS MUST contain the prefix of shared-mime-info (usually /usr) |
| 22:51.41 | beardbar | my application launcher doesnt want to open anymore, second time its done it. |
| 22:52.08 | illissius | pinotree: well, I do have :$XDG_DATA_DIRS at the end |
| 22:52.20 | pinotree | echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS |
| 22:52.30 | illissius | but you're right, it's not in there |
| 22:52.34 | illissius | odd |
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| 22:54.24 | illissius | ah. apparently startkde later checks whether it's empty before filling it in |
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| 23:01.11 | x_link | pinotree: Hi again, sorry for disturbing. |
| 23:01.26 | x_link | But when I remove /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/filesystems/folder.png then it's not like that |
| 23:01.40 | x_link | So it has to be a KDE-setting. |
| 23:01.43 | x_link | Or? |
| 23:01.52 | Josi_123 | Hi, how to get flash player from Konqueror ? |
| 23:01.57 | Josi_123 | *for |
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| 23:02.20 | doleyb | Josi_123: 1. install flash player for firefox, 2. in konquerer config, hit icon to copy firefox plugins |
| 23:03.19 | Josi_123 | [doleyb] im using kde for windows |
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| 23:03.44 | pinotree | x_link: i told you: kde has no control over firefox, and most probably you have something (a firefox theme or gtk-qt) that applies kde stuff to firefox |
| 23:04.18 | x_link | pinotree: Okey, but do you know where I can disable it if I'm using a theme or whatever? |
| 23:04.35 | doleyb | Josi_123: Well I don't know bout windows, but did you look at the Preferences -> .. -> Plugins page? |
| 23:05.05 | verbalshadow | how do you list all available kio slaves in KDE 4.x ? google is helpful for 3.x but not 4.x |
| 23:05.40 | x_link | pinotree: Ahhhh, I found the error now. |
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| 23:05.59 | Josi_123 | isnt "plugins page" in "configure konqueror" |
| 23:06.01 | x_link | I had copied the folder.png-icon from 32x32 and put it into 16x16. That's why. |
| 23:06.06 | x_link | Now I will not ask anything more =) |
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| 23:08.05 | illissius | hooray! victory |
| 23:08.29 | x_link | Anybody that use KDE3 here that's online? |
| 23:08.35 | x_link | I just need a small file. |
| 23:08.35 | illissius | i love how i always spend a long-ass time trying to fix something, and then after i give up and ask on irc, i think of the solution 2 minutes later |
| 23:08.47 | illissius | must be a psychological thing |
| 23:09.01 | illissius | really wishes all this encoding crap would just work out of the box, though. |
| 23:09.12 | x_link | It's /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/filesystems/folder.png. I just need that, I would really appreciate it if somebody could send it to me? |
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| 23:10.47 | illissius | x_link: i tried dcc sending it, but apparently firewalls suck |
| 23:10.54 | illissius | pretty sure you could find it on websvn though |
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| 23:11.06 | x_link | illissius: Ohh, I didn't see it. |
| 23:11.10 | x_link | illissius: Can you do it again please? |
| 23:11.39 | silver_hook | Hullo. I'm trying to get KWin to automatically force Kopete windows to be 50% transparent when passive and 75% when active ...but it just won't remember those settings :\ |
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| 23:12.09 | illissius | x_link: pretty sure the reason you don't see it is because firewalls suck |
| 23:12.11 | x_link | illissius: /dcc get illissius isn't that right? |
| 23:12.15 | x_link | illissius: I see it |
| 23:12.18 | illissius | oh |
| 23:12.21 | x_link | =) |
| 23:12.29 | illissius | well can't you just press an ok button somewhere? |
| 23:12.37 | x_link | Nope |
| 23:12.42 | x_link | I use irssi. |
| 23:12.44 | illissius | i have no idea what the command is, if there even is one |
| 23:12.47 | illissius | maybe dcc accept |
| 23:14.34 | SSJ_GZ | x_link: Is this the one? http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/pics/crystalsvg/cr16-filesys-folder.png?view=markup |
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| 23:15.18 | x_link | SSJ_GZ: Yeah, but I think it's a bit to big. |
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| 23:15.53 | illissius | it does say 16 |
| 23:16.01 | SSJ_GZ | It's 16x16 |
| 23:16.02 | x_link | illissius: I found the command now. |
| 23:16.07 | illissius | heh |
| 23:16.10 | illissius | ok then |
| 23:16.13 | illissius | third time's the charm! |
| 23:16.18 | x_link | illissius: Haha =) |
| 23:17.10 | illissius | x_link: sending.. |
| 23:17.36 | x_link | Doesn't seem to work =/ |
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| 23:17.57 | x_link | illissius: Are you using a firewall? |
| 23:18.04 | illissius | yeah |
| 23:18.06 | illissius | at least two. |
| 23:18.07 | x_link | Okey |
| 23:18.17 | x_link | Okey, then maybe that's the problem? |
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| 23:18.22 | illissius | probably |
| 23:18.24 | illissius | you aren't? |
| 23:18.37 | x_link | Nope. |
| 23:18.48 | x_link | Closed mine earlier. |
| 23:18.54 | illissius | then at least now I know which end dcc needs an open port on |
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| 23:20.56 | silver_hook | It's odd that KWin successfully forces settings for Amarok, Konqueror etc ...but not for Kopete O_o |
| 23:21.10 | x_link | illissius: Thanks alot anyway! =) |
| 23:21.23 | illissius | yw |
| 23:21.26 | x_link | I downloaded the file SSJ_GZ showed me. |
| 23:21.29 | x_link | SSJ_GZ: Thanks! |
| 23:21.34 | SSJ_GZ | np |
| 23:21.38 | x_link | Now the icons in firefox are right =) |
| 23:22.29 | x_link | Take care guys! |
| 23:22.33 | x_link | Thanks once again! |
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| 23:24.59 | silver_hook | Hmmm, it seems that I just cannot force the transparency setting for *any* window or app. |
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| 23:34.13 | XwZ | someone have already trying write one plasma applet in c++ and Qt ? |
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| 23:45.05 | pedepy | is it possible to get a more verbose explanation as to why desktop effects fail to launch ?... |
| 23:45.27 | jpike | pedepy: did you check .xsession-errors ? |
| 23:46.08 | pedepy | um |
| 23:46.08 | pedepy | i am now |
| 23:46.09 | pedepy | i see nothing obvious however |
| 23:46.22 | pedepy | stupid ... isnt even timestamped |
| 23:47.00 | roman | anyone here who has intel drivers? |
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| 23:47.24 | pedepy | aregra |
| 23:47.28 | pedepy | R'jHKFSDDDDDDDDDDL; |
| 23:47.32 | pedepy | anyway |
| 23:47.42 | pedepy | there is nothing written in xsession-errors |
| 23:48.24 | pedepy | wait im using openbox not kwin |
| 23:48.33 | pedepy | ok same error with kwin |
| 23:49.11 | jpike | pedepy: errors |
| 23:49.16 | pedepy | what? |
| 23:49.26 | pedepy | anyway |
| 23:49.34 | pedepy | for some reason it refuses to use xrender |
| 23:49.44 | pedepy | and with opengl it just flickers forever and then reverts back |
| 23:50.50 | pedepy | ok i got it to launch |
| 23:50.59 | pedepy | it seems as though the 'fade' plugin doesnt like my new ati driver.. |
| 23:51.32 | pedepy | or 'dim', rather |
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| 23:58.07 | pedepy | em ok |
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| 23:58.46 | pedepy | so although i got it to start somewhat okay by starting kwin /after/ kde and enabling effects /after/ that, if I use kwin compositing when launching kde, it just flickers and freezes my laptop for minutes on end |
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