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| 00:01.03 | vital | If I were to do a graph of some kind, like a speed-graph for download or similar, what kind of widget should I use to draw on? |
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| 00:26.06 | szal | anyone have a clue what drives Plasma to impulses of enormous CPU usage (in my case ~40%) every 10 seconds or so? |
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| 00:27.51 | Ace2017_- | szal: a wiget? |
| 00:28.30 | szal | Ace2017_-: which? |
| 00:28.40 | Ace2017_- | one of the ones you are using? |
| 00:28.59 | szal | gnah, of course.. |
| 00:29.18 | Ace2017_- | remove all of them and add one very hour |
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| 00:30.33 | szal | someone said the other night it might be Plasma redrawing the desktop every so often |
| 00:31.35 | Ace2017_- | it redraws when asked to |
| 00:31.49 | Ace2017_- | you can use the redraw effect thing to see whats doing it |
| 00:32.55 | szal | well, if 'redraw' is an effect, it doesn't apply here because I disabled desktop effects |
| 00:33.22 | Ace2017_- | well enable desktops and enable the 'Show Paint' plugin |
| 00:34.10 | Ace2017_- | it can be very enlightening |
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| 00:41.00 | josh-l | hey folk |
| 00:41.23 | josh-l | it seems kde 4 uses some pretty large borders around its windows, am i right? |
| 00:41.38 | szal | depends on the theme |
| 00:42.08 | josh-l | okay, i'll check out other than default themes |
| 00:42.13 | sandsmark | default theme has 2-3 pixels ? |
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| 00:43.06 | josh-l | i like kde4 but have always had the feeling of being crowded on the screen, trying to figure out whats doing that |
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| 00:46.08 | szal | just a question before my experiments go too far ;) -- can I, if I practically disable all Plasmoids one by one, revert to the old status (as of last login) by just hard-killing X? |
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| 00:49.24 | freeedrich| | szal: no. |
| 00:49.38 | freeedrich| | szal: since your configs will be saved in intervals |
| 00:49.46 | szal | so I'd have to re-enable them by hand.. |
| 00:49.58 | freeedrich| | you're best of, just backing up the content of .kde/share/config/plasma* |
| 00:50.17 | freeedrich| | killing plasma, when you are done and putting those files back. |
| 00:50.35 | freeedrich| | (maybe it is .kde4/ - depending on your distribution) |
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| 01:04.37 | hdevalence | I'm having a really weird issue with fonts |
| 01:05.07 | hdevalence | normal text will get replaced with some kind of fraction superscript-subscript thing |
| 01:05.21 | hdevalence | like so: http://imagebin.ca/view/KAxOtUK6.html |
| 01:05.35 | hdevalence | except it's not just Konqueror |
| 01:06.06 | hdevalence | it also happens occasionally in FF |
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| 01:07.08 | k1lumin4t1 | hdevalence, your putter has been possesed by arabs |
| 01:07.42 | hdevalence | it even happens in the worldclock plasmoid: http://imagebin.ca/view/V0ZqLF.html |
| 01:08.11 | hdevalence | it looks a lot like unicode fractions to me, but I don't know that for a fact |
| 01:08.37 | k1lumin4t1 | it's jihad! |
| 01:09.15 | hdevalence | the strange thing from the worldclock snapshot is that the part that is painted by Marble is fine, but the part that's painted by the plasmoid itself gets messed up |
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| 01:09.59 | k1lumin4t1 | ? |
| 01:10.42 | hdevalence | the labels that are painted by Marble e.g. "North America" are fine |
| 01:10.56 | hdevalence | just the part painted by the plasmoid isn't |
| 01:11.21 | k1lumin4t1 | yes |
| 01:11.25 | k1lumin4t1 | the dynamic data |
| 01:12.31 | hdevalence | except the plasmoid doesn't make the data, it just calls KGlobal::locale()->formatTime( m_time.time() ) |
| 01:13.21 | k1lumin4t1 | hdevalence, there you go. It's a locale problem |
| 01:13.26 | k1lumin4t1 | hdevalence, distro? |
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| 01:13.54 | hdevalence | openSUSE, but my KDE is compiled from SVN |
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| 01:23.07 | hdevalence | changing the locale settings doesn't seem to have helped |
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| 02:01.33 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to turn off the not-found sounds for type-ahead find in konqueror? |
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| 02:03.32 | Dhraakellian | it's a bit annoying when I quickly type in /semilongsearchterm, cancel it, and am already done with a nother search when I get a rapid-fire string of beeps |
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| 02:08.32 | szal | Dhraakellian: look in Notifications in System Settings |
| 02:08.49 | Dhraakellian | I'm not right off seeing it |
| 02:08.49 | szal | or see if it is configurable from w/in Konqueror |
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| 02:09.05 | szal | don't have X started atm, sorry |
| 02:09.22 | szal | probably in the Expert tab |
| 02:09.46 | Dhraakellian | meaning that I don't right off see that item in the notifications config |
| 02:09.47 | szal | otoh, your system load must be pretty high if sounds are lagging so much |
| 02:10.06 | Dhraakellian | 2.4GHz p4 with 768MB RAM |
| 02:10.09 | Dhraakellian | I think it's the RAM |
| 02:10.18 | szal | what type of RAM? |
| 02:10.26 | Dhraakellian | don't recall off the top of my ehad |
| 02:11.05 | szal | Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2000 MHz here w/ 1 GB RAM (SDRAM PC133 CL3) |
| 02:11.28 | Dhraakellian | currently has 555MB RAM used and 647MB/~1.5GB swap used |
| 02:11.33 | Dhraakellian | according to gkrellm |
| 02:11.38 | szal | when I activated the bell beep in Konsole, first play lagged, the next beeps were all on time |
| 02:12.04 | szal | Dhraakellian: then your machine gotta be swapping like mad, slowing things down |
| 02:12.42 | Dhraakellian | I really ought to just convert this machine to a mythTV box and get a newer, faster computer |
| 02:13.06 | szal | mine was too before the update to KDE 4.2.1 and some behavioural changes |
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| 02:13.22 | Dhraakellian | I'm on 4.2.1 |
| 02:13.39 | Dhraakellian | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 02:13.45 | szal | e.g. I ditched Opera, which is a resource hog in its own right |
| 02:13.45 | Dhraakellian | ... |
| 02:13.57 | szal | using Seamonkey instead |
| 02:13.57 | Dhraakellian | KDE: 3.5.10 "release 21.9" |
| 02:14.07 | szal | now I hardly ever get over 600 MB mem usage |
| 02:14.14 | Dhraakellian | ... aaaand here I go forgetting the 4 at the end of the command |
| 02:14.36 | Dhraakellian | KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 108" |
| 02:14.46 | Dhraakellian | I use Konqueror for webbrowsing |
| 02:15.13 | szal | Konqueror would be my browser of choice if Flash worked flawlessly w/ it |
| 02:15.31 | Dhraakellian | meh. I open Firefox on the rare occasions that I need flash |
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| 02:16.08 | Dhraakellian | hmm... systemsettings > Notifications > System Notifications > Applications > KDE System Notifications > Beep |
| 02:16.16 | Dhraakellian | disabled that sound |
| 02:17.13 | Dhraakellian | although that somehow doesn't seem like The Right Way⢠|
| 02:17.42 | szal | indeed, sounds a bit too general imho |
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| 02:18.44 | szal | hmm, my listeners are gone.. now I can play the last 3 songs & turn off the stream ;) |
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| 03:27.15 | mr_mustard | how do I get a native look with java swing applications in kde 4? |
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| 03:34.00 | simoncion | I've crossposted this to #kde-devel. Sorry if this sort of thing is frowned upon. |
| 03:34.03 | simoncion | I'm trying to built KDE svn. Kdebase was failing to link plasma-overlay. (error message here: http://pastebin.com/m21b0172 ) plasma-overlay is trying to link against screenpreviewwidget. screenpreviewwidget moved into another lib recently. This patch fixes the build issue: http://pastebin.com/m76671ec0 (It'll be up for a month.) |
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| 04:02.26 | XwZ | hi |
| 04:04.14 | simoncion | hi. |
| 04:04.23 | simoncion | (plasma-overlay issues resolved, btw) |
| 04:05.12 | XwZ | what is the address of the last version of kde (the trunk) please |
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| 04:06.02 | simoncion | You want to know the URL to check out the latest copy of KDE 4.0? |
| 04:06.03 | simoncion | er |
| 04:06.05 | simoncion | KDE 4 |
| 04:06.44 | simoncion | If so, check out this document: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
| 04:06.50 | XwZ | the lastest version as possible |
| 04:06.54 | simoncion | It tells you everything you need to know to get a copy. |
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| 04:07.50 | XwZ | thx simoncion i'll read this page |
| 04:08.10 | simoncion | n/p |
| 04:08.19 | simoncion | If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. |
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| 04:09.17 | XwZ | simoncion: the latest unstable version is not 4.3 ? |
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| 04:11.21 | simoncion | XwZ: I'm not sure |
| 04:11.23 | simoncion | checks |
| 04:12.11 | simoncion | XwZ: I think that what's in trunk is going to be 4.3, eventually. |
| 04:12.42 | XwZ | simoncion: ok, so is on svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase ? |
| 04:12.56 | simoncion | That's part of it. |
| 04:13.06 | XwZ | ok thx |
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| 04:13.11 | simoncion | If you want to build KDE, you'll need to check out more than just that. :D |
| 04:13.35 | XwZ | in fact i would like to work on kde to help in is evolution so i want the latest version |
| 04:13.46 | XwZ | simoncion: i know that :) |
| 04:13.56 | XwZ | s/is/its/ |
| 04:14.08 | simoncion | XwZ: Awsome! I've been following trunk for a while for just that reason. :D |
| 04:14.48 | XwZ | :) |
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| 04:22.01 | richerVE | hi, anyone know if there is a problem with MSN in kopete?? |
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| 04:29.00 | call_me_K | there's a problem with MSN in general, M$ invented it |
| 04:29.25 | call_me_K | personal opinions aside, check bugs.kde.org to see if anyone's reported the same problem you're having |
| 04:31.07 | richerVE | yep there is a bug report, but no answer whatsoever |
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| 04:31.47 | peaches | welcome to kde |
| 04:32.19 | call_me_K | lol, not really |
| 04:32.31 | peaches | no j/k add a bug verification 'me too' |
| 04:33.20 | call_me_K | give them a little time, they'll respond |
| 04:33.20 | call_me_K | and yes, add your 2 cents to the SAME report |
| 04:33.20 | call_me_K | duplicate reports only slow thing down |
| 04:33.27 | peaches | even if doesnt end up acomplishing anything, you'll make the original poster feel pretty good |
| 04:33.36 | peaches | :) |
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| 04:35.38 | call_me_K | details are crucial, versions of everything, what,when, etc |
| 04:35.52 | call_me_K | what's the issue anyway? |
| 04:36.08 | richerVE | MSN keeps "connecting" |
| 04:36.16 | call_me_K | sometimes a problem with a net app isn't a bug, but firewall issues and so forth |
| 04:37.00 | XwZ | sometimes the problem with msn is the computer clock itself |
| 04:37.10 | richerVE | i think at least did the first "handshaking" because pidgin tells me that there is another connection at the moment |
| 04:38.08 | call_me_K | remember the real msn is designed with, and runs on windows, so it's already set up out of the box to allow msn through ports xyz, but a linux system isn't |
| 04:39.06 | richerVE | with amsn and pidgin, it works perfect |
| 04:39.26 | call_me_K | ok, rules that out |
| 04:39.32 | call_me_K | covering the bases :) |
| 04:40.45 | richerVE | the truth is, is too late around here so i go to sleep and check tomorrow |
| 04:40.52 | richerVE | thanks for the help and info |
| 04:41.05 | XwZ | good night |
| 04:42.22 | richerVE | gd |
| 04:42.23 | richerVE | gn |
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| 04:47.59 | XwZ | is too long the compilation on the laptop :p |
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| 04:52.56 | peaches | ¿? |
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| 04:54.55 | call_me_K | I got $50 it's gentoo :) |
| 04:55.54 | XwZ | call_me_K: you win :) |
| 04:56.20 | XwZ | but i install kde manually to use my svn account |
| 04:56.24 | call_me_K | great system, if you have the patience |
| 04:56.42 | XwZ | so gentoo or not is the same war |
| 04:57.38 | call_me_K | or worse :) |
| 04:58.26 | call_me_K | it's a gamble with bleeding edge, never know if you're checking out the code on a "good day" |
| 04:58.27 | XwZ | yes, my gentoo is optimized to compile a lot |
| 04:59.12 | XwZ | :) |
| 04:59.38 | XwZ | 86% for kdelibs |
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| 05:03.26 | XwZ | in fact for gentoo, you would should not sleep some nights :) |
| 05:03.48 | XwZ | -would |
| 05:04.56 | call_me_K | I'm well aware, when I ran gentoo, and I was first installing, I think I slept 3 hours in 5 days |
| 05:05.38 | XwZ | hum ... not me but that night i have'nt slept :) |
| 05:05.57 | call_me_K | then I finally came to terms with things and realized I could emerge something before bed, and check on it in the morning |
| 05:06.27 | call_me_K | if anything failed, the log was not going anywhere |
| 05:06.45 | XwZ | i do that too but not when i install manually some applications |
| 05:06.58 | XwZ | (or when I work too :p) |
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| 05:08.51 | yao_ziyuan | i wonder what is you guys' file access methods from the kde 4.2.1/qt 4.5 desktop? |
| 05:09.01 | yao_ziyuan | i have enabled Folder View for Desktop |
| 05:10.16 | peaches | i dunno but if you want leet hax check out non kde quickaccess plasmoid on kde-look |
| 05:10.45 | blauzahl | yao_ziyuan: yes? |
| 05:11.20 | yao_ziyuan | but quickaccess is broken in kde 4.2.1 |
| 05:11.26 | yao_ziyuan | i mean, |
| 05:11.50 | yao_ziyuan | when i drag a file/folder from quickaccess to trashcan, it requires me to make another click to really drop it in the trash |
| 05:11.54 | blauzahl | oh, what is quickaccess? |
| 05:11.54 | peaches | nope it's updated for 4.2 |
| 05:12.05 | yao_ziyuan | and then it says 'can't delete a file that is already deleted.' |
| 05:12.07 | peaches | quickaccess is leet hax embodied in plasmoid form |
| 05:12.26 | yao_ziyuan | peaches: i'm with kde 4.2.1, qt 4.5 |
| 05:12.29 | blauzahl | yao_ziyuan: can't you turn that off? |
| 05:12.39 | yao_ziyuan | blauzahl: turn what off? |
| 05:13.02 | peaches | yao_ziyuan: gah, that must be killing you. but touche' that is a good point. i dont think have ever actually ued the trash can from quickaccess so youre probably right on the extra finger muscle movement |
| 05:13.05 | yao_ziyuan | i also tried to put the Folder View plasmoid on taskbar |
| 05:13.12 | yao_ziyuan | but it disappears after i relogin |
| 05:13.18 | blauzahl | yao_ziyuan: oh |
| 05:13.50 | yao_ziyuan | peaches: not using trashcan *in* quickaccess; i meant, dropping a file *from* quickaccess *to* trashcan |
| 05:14.02 | peaches | yao_ziyuan: yea by broken i thought you meant didnt compile/work for 4.2.1 |
| 05:14.26 | yao_ziyuan | i even also tried a separate Application Launcher plasmoid set to display computer places such as Home, Desktop. |
| 05:14.34 | yao_ziyuan | but this plasmoid is also gone after i re-login |
| 05:15.01 | yao_ziyuan | peaches: it compiles and works. actually i use a compiled package from kubuntu. |
| 05:15.13 | yao_ziyuan | peaches: just the dropping file to trashcan doesn't work very well |
| 05:15.48 | peaches | yao_ziyuan: ok score +1 that is a little annoying.. i use drop with previewer plasmoid i thought it was previewer doing that not quickaccess |
| 05:16.32 | call_me_K | the extra click isn't a bug |
| 05:16.44 | call_me_K | it was programmed that way intentionally |
| 05:17.01 | call_me_K | it makes you think twice before trashing a file |
| 05:17.13 | call_me_K | at least it's what I was led to belive |
| 05:17.15 | yao_ziyuan | i have an Application Launcher plasmoid in Standard Mode, which is the default kde4 start menu |
| 05:17.17 | peaches | haha not a bug it's a feature thats the spirit |
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| 05:17.37 | litb_ | hello there |
| 05:17.44 | litb_ | will KDE4.2 adopt qt4.5 ? |
| 05:17.56 | yao_ziyuan | but if i add another Application Launcher plasmoid in Computer Mode, which displays "Home", "Desktop" and other places, this plasmoid will be gone next time i log in. |
| 05:18.15 | yao_ziyuan | if i add a Folder View plasmoid on taskbar, it also will be gone at next login. |
| 05:18.23 | yao_ziyuan | so i think it's a system bug |
| 05:18.52 | peaches | yao_ziyuan: have you tried restarting plasma manually after saving what you want |
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| 05:19.36 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 05:20.09 | hagabaka | does anyone notice that in kde 4.2 konqueror, sometimes clicking in a text box (including konqueror's location bar) and typing doesn't enter anything? |
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| 05:26.11 | szal | I (intentionally) closed my control panel in the last session, how do I get it back? I do have a backup of my old settings, but that's not exactly what I want right now.. ;) |
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| 05:29.52 | call_me_K | panel as in taskbar? |
| 05:32.08 | XwZ | is dangerous to compile two programs as a same time ? |
| 05:33.20 | XwZ | s/as a/int the/ |
| 05:33.25 | XwZ | -t |
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| 05:49.20 | doleyb | XwZ: it's totally safe, but: it will be slower than if you compiled one at a time |
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| 05:53.36 | XwZ | doleyb: ok thx :) |
| 05:54.23 | szal | call_me_K: I found it |
| 05:55.18 | call_me_K | yes, you can compile several at once, 50 if you want. But your cpu may climb out of the case and die on your desk,lol |
| 05:55.42 | szal | but I'm experiencing something I hadn't expected.. auto-resizing plasmoids (e.g. the digital clock or the systray) behave differently when put in top or bottom panels |
| 05:56.23 | call_me_K | weird |
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| 05:57.07 | call_me_K | I'm part of the majority of the userbase that leaves the panel in the stock bottom position and is content with it :) |
| 05:57.35 | szal | put the clock in the bottom panel and it will take up 5-10% of its space.. put the clock in the top panel and it will take up all available space |
| 05:57.40 | linex | When can we expect 4.2.2 ? |
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| 05:59.56 | call_me_K | to quote Linus Torvalds: "On release day" |
| 06:00.26 | linex | call_me_K: funny |
| 06:00.31 | call_me_K | he's actually said that when asked when the new kernel woul be out :) |
| 06:00.47 | linex | he is a funny guy |
| 06:01.28 | call_me_K | I used to monitor the linux-kernel mailing list, read alot of his stuff |
| 06:01.49 | call_me_K | but I had to unsubscribe, over 300+ emails per day was a bit much to keep up with |
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| 06:02.35 | linex | call_me_K: I know what you mean. There is a world outside linux. It can be quite fast vast to keep up with/ |
| 06:04.16 | szal | also it seems as if it's impossible to place some plasmoid types on the right-hand side of a top panel |
| 06:04.34 | szal | they automagically move to the left |
| 06:05.53 | call_me_K | as I said I've never used a top panel, but it doesn't sound like there would be a point to that |
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| 06:07.01 | call_me_K | it must be a issue, would have to check the bugzilla to see if it's been reported |
| 06:11.46 | call_me_K | linex: in all honestly, the third number in the version idicates a BUGFIX release, and those aren't roadmapped like major/minor versions are. When it's been decided that a significant number of confirmed bugs have been addressed, a Release canidate is put out, and the official release is typically soon after |
| 06:13.27 | szal | ahh, seems I found the culprit.. it's the taskbar, it's so wide by default that it pushes the clock and the tray to the side |
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| 06:14.51 | call_me_K | that assumes there will be a 4.2.2, significant changes may warrant the change to version 4.3, and if all is going well, 4.2.1 bugs would be addressed and fixes released with 4.2 instead |
| 06:15.07 | call_me_K | *4.3 instead |
| 06:15.55 | szal | iirc, Qt 4.5 isn't ready for prime time yet |
| 06:16.08 | szal | so to bridge the time there might well be a KDE 4.2.2 |
| 06:17.10 | call_me_K | there's a toss up there |
| 06:17.17 | szal | 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 was how long? a month? |
| 06:19.16 | Mooby | why Qt4.5 isn't ready ? |
| 06:19.27 | Mooby | I use it with 4.2.1 and works fine |
| 06:20.05 | szal | still has some issues though that want to be wed out before final release |
| 06:20.32 | call_me_K | the KDE side officially states that it hasn't been tested enough, and no other opinions are formed |
| 06:21.27 | call_me_K | the qt side, however, publicly states they have extensivly tested 4.5 with plasma and found it to whip the snot out of the 4.4.x series |
| 06:21.58 | Mooby | if noone test and report bugs , it will be never good... |
| 06:22.29 | Mooby | mandriva has put both together in the 2009.1 development, and problems are reported upstream and solved |
| 06:22.48 | call_me_K | it will be tested, and is being tested |
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| 06:24.17 | call_me_K | it's just the official KDE statement that 4.5 hasn't been tested enough to make an official statment of "supported" or "unsupported" |
| 06:24.27 | szal | another question: what's the 'internal extender applet' good for? |
| 06:24.39 | call_me_K | nothing |
| 06:24.53 | call_me_K | it's an invisible widget users aren't supposed to be seeing |
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| 06:26.48 | call_me_K | it has it's purpose, and it does what it's supposed to, but it's not something users can add/remove/configure for anything |
| 06:27.44 | call_me_K | it's used internally with other widgets without user intervention, the fact it's showing in the widget list was an accident - should be resolved in the next version |
| 06:32.03 | szal | ah, I found something useful.. "panelspacer" :) |
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| 06:35.18 | call_me_K | I'm waiting for a new ticker plasmoid |
| 06:35.30 | call_me_K | I miss my rss ticker! |
| 06:35.34 | call_me_K | sniffles |
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| 06:54.50 | szal | now it's good.. not (yet) optimal, but very agreeable :) |
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| 07:07.29 | tinFlix | hi |
| 07:07.50 | tinFlix | i have just installed Fedora10-KDE live. |
| 07:08.00 | tinFlix | it has KDE 4.1.2. |
| 07:08.30 | tinFlix | Some how I can't figure how to create new user login? Can somebody please help me? |
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| 07:15.02 | Moult | any ideas why when running gtk programs in KDE (i use gtk-engines) they all crash with a "floating point exception" whereas in something like fluxbox they all run fine? |
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| 07:26.48 | call_me_K | it may be kde-specific libraries have a issue with the code other WM's do not |
| 07:28.34 | tinFlix | how do i create new user accounts in KDE 4.1.2? |
| 07:28.43 | tinFlix | or KDE 4.2.x for that matter. |
| 07:29.46 | call_me_K | that is not a kde function |
| 07:30.20 | tinFlix | well, i sure remember that I could do that from control center or such in 3.5 |
| 07:30.37 | tinFlix | there used to be a section for "Users and Groups" or some such. |
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| 07:31.04 | smurfslover | tinFlix: possibly you need to install the user module for systemsettings |
| 07:31.29 | smurfslover | but maybe your distro has a control center of it's own where you can do that |
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| 07:31.42 | tinFlix | hmm, interesting |
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| 07:31.46 | call_me_K | it's redundant to have it since most distros already have a GUI for it, and there is always the command line |
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| 07:34.57 | vinleod | tinFlix: have you tried asking in #fedora? |
| 07:35.10 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
| 07:35.37 | hobbs | having a really freaky problem where everything in my desktop session (all children of ksmserver) are running with nearly all signals blocked -- I have no idea which component of my system I managed to break but I was wondering if anyone had any insight |
| 07:35.51 | call_me_K | exit(0) |
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| 07:39.45 | hobbs | just did a little experimentation -- it's definitely ksmserver that's eating all the signals, not kdm -- if I make 'startkde' start another long-running process outside of ksmserver its signal mask doesn't get screwed up |
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| 07:44.09 | mancausoft_ | Hi to all. Exist a xorg.conf for use kwin composite (windows effect for kde4) with radeon driver (free driver)? Because I have a r300 radeon but the effect don't work. I try to launch kwin --replace in a shell, but no error. |
| 07:44.10 | mancausoft_ | I enable debug for all kwin (with kdebugdialog) but no error :( |
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| 07:45.53 | call_me_K | mancausoft_: you are correct, radeon is the free driver, fglrx is the closed source one |
| 07:46.35 | DaemonMDV | Never buy a Radeon with the intent to run Linux on it |
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| 07:46.57 | call_me_K | I'm afraid I can't help you much since I have been using closed source ati drivers for years, and have never seen KDE4 on the open drivers for more then a few minutes via a live cd |
| 07:46.58 | DaemonMDV | the only driver they make that's worth anything is their Windows version or their Mac version |
| 07:47.34 | DaemonMDV | call_me_K: I won't use FGLRX, the open source X driver is far more stable |
| 07:47.41 | call_me_K | DaemonMDV: fglrx performs fine for me, always has |
| 07:47.45 | DaemonMDV | and always works with X :) |
| 07:47.58 | call_me_K | performance is good, never display issues |
| 07:48.17 | DaemonMDV | FGLRX is always months behind the latest X |
| 07:48.36 | DaemonMDV | sometimes you have the newest distributions out for 2-3 months even before there's an FGLRX that will work |
| 07:49.16 | DaemonMDV | the worst I've ever seen Nvidia lag behind an X release is like 2 weeks |
| 07:50.32 | mancausoft_ | DaemonMDV: the radeon driver work with acceleration, i can play to nexuiz |
| 07:50.34 | DaemonMDV | you may not notice how awful ATI has been about timely drivers if you use a distribution that stays with an older X release |
| 07:50.34 | mancausoft_ | :D |
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| 07:56.57 | mancausoft_ | i try FGLRX but i loss any data in HD because FGLRX freeze my pc. now FGLRX is banned for my computer |
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| 08:42.04 | adora | #fedora |
| 08:44.06 | Moult | hey guys, any ideas why in konqueror if i type in a url into the address bar then press enter, it lags and doesn't respond for about 10 seconds? |
| 08:44.15 | Moult | and then only loads the page? |
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| 08:54.49 | beardbar-lap | man job well done on kde 4.2 it is awsome |
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| 08:56.00 | beardbar-lap | i just made the switch from vista to kubuntu and upgraded to 4.2. I was able to get three monitors working but I am having issues with my login screen and log of screens showing up centered between my right 2 monitors. anyone know a fix? |
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| 09:13.20 | hobbs | I don't get the vibe that anyone cared, but the problem was the lousy nvidia driver. Latest version seems to be doing something rather stupid. And ksmserver loads Qt loads GL invokes badness. |
| 09:15.10 | DaemonMDV | hobbs: Nvidia's driver is officially at your own risk for the most part |
| 09:15.32 | DaemonMDV | unless the distribution specific installer is screwing up your system for some reason |
| 09:15.52 | DaemonMDV | otherwise it's not a bug that can be fixed by anyone other than Nvidia B-) |
| 09:16.11 | hobbs | yeah, understood. It was just a bitch to track down |
| 09:16.38 | DaemonMDV | KDE 4 has exposed many Nvidia bugs |
| 09:16.57 | DaemonMDV | (KWin specifically) |
| 09:17.28 | hobbs | well actually I was having trouble with compositing, which is why I tried upgrading to the version that broke my system to begin with. But I think I'll just live without desktop shinies. It's easier ;) |
| 09:17.52 | DaemonMDV | as far as I'm concerned, anything that brings Nvidia's bugs into the open makes Nvidia's drivers better under any desktop environment |
| 09:18.21 | DaemonMDV | Nvidia's driver is not a standard X driver |
| 09:18.29 | DaemonMDV | it actually replaces a lot of the X server |
| 09:18.56 | DaemonMDV | it bypasses X's official rendering infrastructure completely |
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| 09:19.56 | DaemonMDV | Fedora is switching from NV to Nouveau in Fedora 11 |
| 09:20.16 | DaemonMDV | it's gotten to the point where Nouveau is preferable over Nvidia's open sourced driver |
| 09:21.31 | DaemonMDV | Nvidia has lots of trade secrets, their hardware is much better than Intel or ATI's |
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| 09:21.43 | DaemonMDV | so I can understand from their perspective |
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| 09:31.23 | olaf123 | hi |
| 09:32.31 | olaf123 | is it possible to use an "old pc-beep" instead of a real sound for incoming mails (kmail)? I have no speakers in office. |
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| 09:40.15 | damada | hi, how do I get actions for audio cds in KDE 4.2.1? |
| 09:40.32 | damada | currently, nothing happens, so that users think there is something wrong |
| 09:41.30 | damada | it'd be nice to have at least an action "Open in Dolphin" or the like, and display an icon in the Places panel |
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| 09:49.21 | annma | damada: it's done for 4.3 |
| 09:49.30 | annma | not sure how to deal with it in 4.2 |
| 09:50.05 | damada | annma: cool! by any chance, do you have a screenshot or the like in order to see what it's going to be like? |
| 09:50.43 | annma | it's a kcm to set the actions on devices |
| 09:51.48 | damada | even better! |
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| 09:53.07 | annma | hmmm but Device manager doe snot detect my Audio cd |
| 09:53.13 | annma | so I can't assign it any action |
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| 10:00.44 | beardbar-lap | im on a 64bit kde 4.2 is there away to force a i386 package install from a deb file? |
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| 10:02.41 | drantin | kde has nothing to do with .deb files... |
| 10:02.46 | cb400f | beardbar-lap: it prolly wouldn't work if you did it |
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| 10:03.10 | cb400f | a horrible idea.. besides being off-topic ;-) |
| 10:05.12 | sandsmark | not really |
| 10:05.23 | sandsmark | we force installs 64-bit kernels on all our 32-bit servers :P |
| 10:06.12 | drantin | it's still off topic, and that's actually quite different as you don't need a 64 bit toolchain to run a 64 bit kernel... while you would need the whole 32bit toolchain to run the one 32 bit app on a 64 bit install |
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| 10:07.51 | beardbar-lap | sorry didnt realize it was off topic, just upgraded to kde 4.2 |
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| 10:08.27 | sandsmark | drantin: of course :p |
| 10:08.28 | drantin | .deb files are distro related, not kde related |
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| 10:11.21 | beardbar-lap | are there any effects built into kde 4.2 like compizfusion? cube display etc |
| 10:11.33 | annma | lots |
| 10:11.46 | annma | cube, spere, snow on desktop,... |
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| 10:12.58 | beardbar-lap | sorry for being newb, is there a tut on how to use em? |
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| 10:14.51 | annma | you install KDE then you enable effects fromSystemSettings |
| 10:15.01 | annma | help is included for each effet |
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| 10:29.16 | beardbar | Annma: thanks for the info, apparently I cannot do effects Compositing is not supported on your system. |
| 10:29.16 | beardbar | Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available. |
| 10:29.30 | annma | :( |
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| 10:29.58 | beardbar | not sure where i can get those, not showing up in the package manager |
| 10:30.31 | annma | what video card do you have? |
| 10:31.11 | beardbar | nvidia 9800Gt |
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| 10:43.43 | engineer | beardbar are you using nvidia drivers? |
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| 10:50.56 | XwZ | i have some problems with the folder widget on the desktop |
| 10:51.11 | XwZ | especially with the opacity |
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| 10:51.54 | XwZ | non graphic acceleration with glx ? |
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| 10:56.43 | engineer | glxinfo | grep rendering |
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| 11:01.43 | XwZ | engineer: "no" |
| 11:02.30 | XwZ | i know that, but i want if it can be the issue |
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| 11:03.05 | engineer | yes |
| 11:03.58 | XwZ | erf ok, so i'll search a solution for this problem |
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| 11:04.32 | engineer | just install a decent driver |
| 11:05.18 | XwZ | ^^ |
| 11:05.45 | XwZ | it's a decent driver before an xorg upgrade |
| 11:06.19 | engineer | was* |
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| 11:06.56 | engineer | why is your nick XwZ? is that because you're always late? |
| 11:07.07 | XwZ | sorry, i'm a french with a low level in english |
| 11:07.17 | XwZ | why did you said it ? |
| 11:07.37 | engineer | just kiddin :) |
| 11:07.46 | engineer | je ne parlais francais |
| 11:08.02 | XwZ | ok :) |
| 11:08.16 | XwZ | but i haven't understand the joke :/ |
| 11:08.27 | XwZ | you see a signification in my nick ? |
| 11:08.35 | engineer | last letters of the alphabet |
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| 11:08.51 | XwZ | ho ok !!! smart joke :) |
| 11:08.56 | sandsmark | æøå are the last letters :P |
| 11:09.17 | XwZ | the best joke on it :) |
| 11:09.21 | engineer | ye maybe in norwidish |
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| 11:17.37 | XwZ | hum... when i move the folder widget i see 3 others icons follow the real icon in the "fake widget" |
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| 11:18.20 | jak-o | hi to all |
| 11:19.02 | jak-o | how to shutdown|reboot if i use startx instead of a login manger to start kde? |
| 11:19.10 | engineer | halt |
| 11:19.18 | engineer | shutdown -r now |
| 11:19.25 | engineer | reboot |
| 11:19.29 | engineer | init 6 |
| 11:19.29 | jak-o | thank you |
| 11:20.08 | Jucato | don't |
| 11:20.38 | Jucato | if you do that, it's like pulling the plug on your computer, for KDE |
| 11:20.43 | jak-o | but i would like to have the gui |
| 11:20.50 | jak-o | it is not possible? |
| 11:20.57 | Jucato | not without a login manager, no |
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| 11:22.47 | spitfire_ | With kde-live I get things like: |
| 11:22.47 | spitfire_ | kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/kde/live/lib64/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK6KStyle26standardIconImplementationEN6QStyle14StandardPixmapEPK12QStyleOptionPK7QWidget |
| 11:23.03 | spitfire_ | I also got this with quasssel |
| 11:23.19 | spitfire_ | and recompiling affected package doesn't help |
| 11:23.19 | spitfire_ | :/ |
| 11:23.26 | spitfire_ | what else should I recompile? |
| 11:23.26 | sandsmark | ... |
| 11:23.31 | sandsmark | did you recompile kdelibs ? |
| 11:23.41 | sandsmark | or kdebase-runtime, probably |
| 11:23.56 | spitfire_ | will do;) |
| 11:23.57 | sandsmark | spitfire_: it's /usr/kde/live/lib64/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so that has an undefined symbol ... |
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| 11:28.44 | XwZ | does anyone known when kde 4.2 will be present in the gentoo's portage ? |
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| 11:29.17 | brot | XwZ: ? |
| 11:29.17 | spitfire_ | it is... |
| 11:29.22 | spitfire_ | available |
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| 11:29.27 | spitfire_ | for >2 weeks |
| 11:29.31 | XwZ | unmasked? |
| 11:29.33 | spitfire_ | and unmaked |
| 11:29.41 | XwZ | ok thx :x |
| 11:29.50 | brot | 4.2 packages were available not more than 1h after official release. |
| 11:29.54 | spitfire_ | ask on #gentoo-kde |
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| 11:34.07 | XwZ | ok thx |
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| 11:50.36 | Dedi | im looking for a gui for wireless network configuration (i tried wicd.. and it disables always the wired net.. sucks pretty much) |
| 11:50.59 | brot | wpa_gui ? |
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| 11:51.23 | Dedi | yeah |
| 11:52.31 | Dedi | will take a loot at it, thanks |
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| 11:56.57 | ia | hello. could you tell me, please, alternative for qtparted, but written with qt4 for kde4? |
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| 11:58.54 | brot | ia: i dont think it has been ported |
| 11:59.09 | sandsmark | kde partition editor ? |
| 11:59.18 | Jucato | you can try searching for alternatives in kde-apps.org or qt-apps.org |
| 11:59.32 | sandsmark | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595 |
| 11:59.41 | sandsmark | we use it in Tribe |
| 11:59.46 | sandsmark | (as a kpart) |
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| 12:03.12 | blip- | Kbooboo |
| 12:03.41 | blip- | ^^ KDE first aid guide software |
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| 12:36.02 | ToreadorVampire | KDE 3.5.10/Kubuntu Hardy - In Konqueror (using it as a file browser, not a web browser) is it possible to give tabs arbitrary names? By default they are taking the name of the directory they are pointing at, which isn't 100% helpful in my scenario, as I am making heavy use of the "split view" for copying development files between my local system and my dev server. I'd like to arbitrarily rename the tabs by "task" rather |
| 12:36.02 | ToreadorVampire | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.55 | ToreadorVampire | Another related konq question (while I'm here) - is it possible to save a konqueror session? Like - save "which tabs were open, how they were split, what filesystems they were pointing at" etc? That would help me get up and running much faster in the mornings, starting where I left off |
| 12:38.58 | sandsmark | settings â save view profile ? |
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| 12:39.55 | ToreadorVampire | lol, I feel stupid not spotting that :) ty sandsmark |
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| 12:41.11 | sandsmark | :P |
| 12:41.24 | sandsmark | I don't know about the naming of the tabs, tho |
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| 12:50.46 | Ace2017_- | ToreadorVampire: make a local symlink? |
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| 12:55.45 | rdale | does anyone know if it is possible to get kopete to put everything in one window instead of spraying new windows all over the desktop for each conversation? |
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| 12:57.42 | knusperfrosch | rdale: it is. settings->behaviour->chat |
| 12:59.29 | rdale | knsusperfros: great thanks, found it - but there are so many settings |
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| 13:03.34 | Frantic | guys, any idea why gvim won't start under kde4.2? :( it starts under fluxbox |
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| 13:04.14 | Jucato | try starting it from Konsole and see if you get error messages |
| 13:04.44 | iomari | rdale, go to setings->behavior then chat window group polices and change it to "Group Messages from same account in same chat window: |
| 13:04.45 | knusperfrosch | rdale: grouping of chats: all messages in one window with subwindows (sorry, no english locale here) |
| 13:06.01 | rdale | yes, now i know where the option is i can experiment - it's just that it is very difficult to find. I would normally expect something like that under a main menu called 'view' perhaps |
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| 13:08.44 | marko_d | hi all |
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| 13:09.46 | marko_d | i have a really wierd problem in kde 4.2, alt + shift works whe switching layouts, but the indicator in the tray stays the same |
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| 13:09.55 | Frantic | Jucato: started it from console, no errors except for the known XLib: cannot find extension.. which is normal (get it on PCs where it works too) |
| 13:10.13 | marko_d | ctrl + alt + K changes the flag ... |
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| 13:11.24 | marko_d | i |
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| 13:11.44 | marko_d | *i have searched for a solution before, but didn't find any |
| 13:12.08 | Frantic | anyone? :( |
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| 13:21.13 | Frantic | any idea why gvim won't start under kde4.2? :( it starts under fluxbox, no errors, the app seems to work OK besides not having a window |
| 13:21.33 | Frantic | I tried disabling desktop effects |
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| 13:22.34 | Frantic | so what is KDE doing so wrong that makes the GTK app fail to start? |
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| 13:29.12 | nondysjunction | hello |
| 13:29.21 | nondysjunction | Is there an alternative KDE4 music player besides amarok2? |
| 13:29.37 | cb400f | juk for example |
| 13:29.47 | cb400f | or kscd ;-) |
| 13:30.17 | cb400f | dragon player can play music too |
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| 13:30.51 | cb400f | .. and of course there's a multitude of kde3, gtk or straight Qt players that you can use fine in KDE4.x |
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| 13:32.15 | nondysjunction | cb400f: <_< well, obviously. What are the straight Qt players? |
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| 13:33.43 | cb400f | vlc or smplayer for example use Qt4 |
| 13:33.58 | cb400f | kmplayer is there too |
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| 13:35.14 | nondysjunction | cb400f: aren't those moreso video players? Do they have id3 support? Much less other things like lyrics? O_o |
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| 13:36.08 | Jucato | JuK is probably closer to that (sans the lyrics) |
| 13:36.16 | cb400f | they can play music ;-) .. you provided zero information about what you were looking for |
| 13:36.19 | Jucato | (juk is more music manager/tagger than "player" though) |
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| 13:37.00 | Jucato | in any case, KDE's official music player is JuK (and KsCD for audio cd's). for more, you can check kde-apps.org or qt-apps.org |
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| 13:44.16 | nondysjunction | mm, thanks Jucato. I do like Amarok but Amarok2 just isn't far enough along yet. |
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| 13:48.14 | Jucato | I can't use amarok2... :( |
| 13:49.00 | cb400f | is pretty happy with amarok 2.0.2 .. missing a handful of little features.. 2.1 should be a couple of months away |
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| 13:49.24 | Jucato | well, I'm missing my whole collection in A2... |
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| 13:54.56 | scorpius | should I like plasma? |
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| 13:55.41 | rE | yes! |
| 13:55.46 | smurfslover | scorpius: how lang have you been using it? |
| 13:56.10 | ewet | hi, is there an easy way to configure kde3 icons/colors and stuff within kde4? |
| 13:56.20 | cb400f | kcontrol |
| 13:56.30 | smurfslover | systemsettings is the command |
| 13:56.35 | Jucato | *should*? doesn't matter. it's there. it's your desktop and panel and everything in them. so unless you find something replace those core functionalities, then you're going to be stuck with it anyway |
| 13:56.49 | cb400f | smurfslover: not for kde3 stuff.. except maybe in kubuntu I guess |
| 13:57.05 | Jucato | ewet: run kcontrol within kde4. that's the only way (other than digging through config files) |
| 13:58.08 | ewet | Jucato: installing kcontrol will "break" my kde4 installation on debian :-/ |
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| 13:58.21 | smurfslover | Jucato: i did it through the config file :) |
| 13:58.27 | smurfslover | don't have kcontrol installed |
| 13:58.44 | Jucato | smurfslover: hence the "other than" part |
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| 14:01.09 | scorpius | can I turn off plasma in kde4? and use more traditional, less resource intensive kdesktop? instead? |
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| 14:03.16 | Jucato | kdesktop doesn't exist in KDE4. if you have that installed, perhaps yes. but then it won't behave properly (and are you sure Plasma is being resource intensive anyway) |
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| 14:04.11 | pkt | is anyone working on providing the capability to print odd/even pages ? |
| 14:04.51 | smurfslover | scorpius: kwin might be resource intensive when you use the effects |
| 14:05.05 | smurfslover | especially if you graphics card or cpu is to slow |
| 14:05.58 | smurfslover | bblµ |
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| 14:06.04 | cb400f | scorpius: you may also find this useful: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-kdeskipargbvisuals.html |
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| 14:06.39 | s0nix | hi, i'd like to change the time... but i can't |
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| 14:07.09 | s0nix | the kde setting dialog for that said me that it can't contact time server bla bla bla |
| 14:07.21 | s0nix | even if i don't select the "set time automatically" |
| 14:07.29 | s0nix | another way to change de time ? |
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| 14:12.18 | FreakGuard | ASSERT: "s->parsed == false" in file /srv/userstore/sandsmark/kdemod/kdemod-core/work/kdelibs/src/kdelibs-4.2.1/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 528 |
| 14:12.23 | FreakGuard | hmmm |
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| 14:25.01 | sujith_h | hi all. I have a doubt compiling kde-support(its one such example). when I run cmakekde in the kde-support directory I am getting error: |
| 14:25.13 | sujith_h | "-- Build files have been written to: /media/disk/kde-dev/kde/src/kdesupport |
| 14:25.24 | sujith_h | CMake Error: The source directory "/media/disk-2/kde-dev/kde/src/kdesupport" does not exist." |
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| 14:25.55 | sujith_h | I am little confused with this error |
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| 14:45.07 | jbellis | plasma started crashing on me on startup this morning. restarting it doesn't help. (4.2.1.) I can mostly get by without it except for network manager. is there a way to connect to networks etc. w/o plasma? |
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| 14:46.18 | engineer | yeah using the shell |
| 14:46.57 | jbellis | are there docs on that somewhere? |
| 14:47.10 | engineer | man ifconfig? |
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| 14:47.21 | jbellis | no, ifconfig doesn't help |
| 14:47.36 | engineer | how come |
| 14:47.54 | jbellis | because kde wants network manager to run things. i don't know the details but ifdown / ifup do not do anything. |
| 14:48.09 | thiago_home | NM is a pain |
| 14:48.36 | engineer | works here |
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| 14:48.53 | jbellis | congrats. |
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| 14:49.15 | thiago_home | will probably add support for ConnMan |
| 14:49.55 | cumulus007 | GNOME 2.26 has a very cool sound system, based on PulseAudio: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.volume |
| 14:50.10 | cumulus007 | Is something like this planned for KDE? I think KMix does really suck atm |
| 14:50.12 | sandsmark | cumulus007: it's a bad clone of arts :p |
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| 14:50.35 | cumulus007 | sandsmark: arts? arts... Isn't that the sound system in KDE 3? |
| 14:50.41 | sandsmark | it was |
| 14:50.48 | engineer | phonon |
| 14:50.50 | cumulus007 | sandsmark: and why is it cancelled |
| 14:50.59 | cumulus007 | because phonon lacks functionality |
| 14:51.10 | sandsmark | cumulus007: because people realised how stupid it was (and the codebase was getting unmaintainable) |
| 14:51.11 | thiago_home | arts and phonon are not the same thing |
| 14:51.17 | thiago_home | arts was a sound server |
| 14:51.20 | thiago_home | phonon is a library |
| 14:51.43 | engineer | so what replaces arts in kde4? |
| 14:51.45 | cumulus007 | GNOME has more sound featues than KDE has.. how sad, normally that's reversed |
| 14:51.48 | sandsmark | engineer: your OS |
| 14:51.48 | thiago_home | nothing |
| 14:52.00 | thiago_home | cumulus007: KDE can use pulseaudio |
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| 14:52.16 | cumulus007 | Really, I would like to see such features in KDE 4 |
| 14:52.16 | sandsmark | engineer: arts (and the like) isn't really needed nowadays |
| 14:52.18 | thiago_home | through Phonon, which goes through Xine or GStreamer, then ALSA |
| 14:52.27 | cumulus007 | Linux audio sucks -.- |
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| 14:52.31 | thiago_home | cumulus007: whip up a text editor and start writing code |
| 14:52.38 | cumulus007 | thiago_home: well, I can't |
| 14:52.41 | sandsmark | engineer: for example, OSSv4 can have per-app mixing, proper chaining, etc. |
| 14:52.51 | cumulus007 | thiago_home: but I assume devs listen to the users? |
| 14:52.57 | thiago_home | yes, we do |
| 14:53.01 | engineer | sandsmark oss replaces alsa aint it? |
| 14:53.01 | sandsmark | cumulus007: they *are* users too :P |
| 14:53.05 | thiago_home | but you can't force us to do anything |
| 14:53.06 | sandsmark | engineer: not really |
| 14:53.11 | thiago_home | if no dev wants to do it, then it won't get done |
| 14:53.15 | cumulus007 | sandsmark: yep :P Will check the bugzilla |
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| 14:53.56 | cumulus007 | I can't find anything I'm looking for on KDE Bugzilla |
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| 14:55.26 | cumulus007 | Hmm, actually I find the new Air theme a bit disappointing |
| 14:55.39 | cumulus007 | it's way too much like Windows 7 |
| 14:55.48 | sandsmark | in what way ? |
| 14:55.58 | sandsmark | and it isn't even finished yet :> |
| 14:55.59 | cumulus007 | the stripes on the panel |
| 14:56.04 | cumulus007 | the transparency |
| 14:56.10 | cumulus007 | the glowing elements |
| 14:56.16 | cumulus007 | but, those circles are nice |
| 14:56.23 | Jucato | sandsmark: you should be used by now that "anything fancy, glittery or translucent" is always equated to Windows <next_version> |
| 14:56.37 | sandsmark | Jucato: unless it is made by apple :> |
| 14:56.57 | cumulus007 | hmm |
| 14:57.08 | cumulus007 | should I place this wishlist under phonon or KMix |
| 14:57.08 | Jucato | sandsmark: but usually it's Windows. MS has patented beauty on the desktop |
| 14:57.45 | sandsmark | ah |
| 14:58.29 | sandsmark | I don't think those lines looke very like windows 7 at all, but I haven't used windows myself, so ... :P |
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| 15:00.22 | cumulus007 | btw, I have noticed several times that when I hit the power off button in the menu, KDE shuts down *after* the logoff sound ended |
| 15:00.31 | cumulus007 | is that a bug? |
| 15:00.35 | cumulus007 | I don't like it |
| 15:00.50 | Jucato | you want it to shutdown *before* the logoff sound plays? |
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| 15:01.00 | szal | choose a shorter logoff sound or none |
| 15:01.05 | szal | should be faster :P |
| 15:01.05 | sandsmark | Jucato: yes, please |
| 15:01.07 | cumulus007 | no, I want my pc to shut down *while* the sound plays |
| 15:01.12 | Jucato | O.o |
| 15:01.15 | sandsmark | cumulus007: how would it do that ? |
| 15:01.17 | cumulus007 | like Windows, or GNOME |
| 15:01.28 | Jucato | neither do that |
| 15:01.51 | cumulus007 | another weird issue happens on startup: the login sound starts playing after KMix starts |
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| 15:02.05 | cumulus007 | Jucato: oh yes, they do |
| 15:02.23 | sandsmark | cumulus007: you need kmix to start to unmute the sound ? :) |
| 15:02.25 | Jucato | shutting down involves, in order: logging off KDE (which plays the sound), bringing down X, shutting down services, etc |
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| 15:04.22 | Jucato | you're confusing shutting off and logging off. shutdown process cannot start unless the user is logged off. in Windows and GNOME, the logoff sound plays while it is still logging off or displaying the login screen |
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| 15:04.49 | Jucato | but as szal said, choose another or disable the logoff sound |
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| 15:05.00 | sandsmark | cumulus007: the logon sound is (was) supposed to tell you that your desktop is now finished starting |
| 15:05.01 | sandsmark | and you can use it |
| 15:05.44 | Jucato | and I don't think it depends on kmix at all, unless kmix is set to do something with the sound system. |
| 15:06.04 | sandsmark | if windows fucked up that metaphor (and gnome copied them thoughtlessly), that's their problem :> |
| 15:06.08 | Jucato | kmix isn't even part of a basic kde install (kdebase), so nothing should depend on it being run at login |
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| 15:06.17 | cumulus007 | sandsmark: lolz, so both GNOME and Windows are doing that wrong? |
| 15:06.45 | sandsmark | cumulus007: Windows has been trying to cheat their way to startup times for a long time |
| 15:06.58 | sandsmark | pretending the desktop is logged in before it is ready, for example |
| 15:07.12 | Jucato | they're basically playing a sound announcing: "I'm starting to load your desktop.. please wait for a few (5?) minutes before you have a completely useable desktop" |
| 15:07.13 | sandsmark | the gnome people just copy without thinking :> |
| 15:07.16 | cumulus007 | sandsmark: I know, windows boots slooowly |
| 15:07.31 | Jucato | KDE announces "you're desktop is ready to be used" |
| 15:07.36 | cumulus007 | most heard complaint about windows |
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| 15:07.47 | szal | say.. KDE 4.2.1 (Qt 4.4) crashing Plasma on startup leaving KDE unusable.. is that a known bug? quick glance at gdb output suggests it has something to do w/ libqtcore |
| 15:07.53 | cumulus007 | Jucato: Well, I think the login sound is too long then |
| 15:08.00 | sandsmark | szal: probably not :P |
| 15:08.02 | sandsmark | szal: it works here |
| 15:08.06 | thiago_home | szal: more information needed |
| 15:08.08 | Jucato | cumulus007: there are 3 variants. feel free to choose one |
| 15:08.09 | sandsmark | cumulus007: file a bug ;) |
| 15:08.32 | Jucato | sandsmark: no need. there's a shorter login/logoff version available |
| 15:08.41 | sandsmark | cumulus007: I think all sounds are too long, and a waste of time, so I've turned off everything |
| 15:08.47 | sandsmark | Jucato: maybe a shorter one could be made default ? |
| 15:09.04 | Jucato | dunno. I happen to like the default (medium) ones :) |
| 15:09.16 | sandsmark | :P |
| 15:09.25 | Jucato | better than 2-3 seconds of beating drums |
| 15:09.45 | cumulus007 | Jucato: you mean Ubuntu, right :P |
| 15:09.55 | szal | sandsmark: it worked here too until an hour or so ago.. I wanted to test something, so I backed up ~/.kde4/ and let it be auto-recreated on X startup.. result didn't satisfy me, so I deleted the new .kde4 dir and put the old one back in place.. when I do that Plasma crashes on KDE startup |
| 15:09.58 | Jucato | whistles innocently |
| 15:10.11 | sandsmark | szal: very odd :> |
| 15:10.14 | cumulus007 | the Human theme needs a huge make-over |
| 15:10.44 | Jucato | let's leave that up to the *non-kde* people |
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| 15:11.00 | cumulus007 | but where can I set another login sound? |
| 15:11.06 | sandsmark | doesn't want human into KDE |
| 15:11.27 | sandsmark | cumulus007: system settings â notifications |
| 15:11.31 | Jucato | cumulus007: have you tried the shorter variants installed by default? |
| 15:11.32 | cumulus007 | I'm there |
| 15:11.41 | sandsmark | cumulus007: select âKDE System Notificationsâ |
| 15:11.43 | cumulus007 | Jucato: I can't find any shotrwer variants |
| 15:11.46 | Jucato | "KDE-Sys-Log-In-Short.ogg" |
| 15:12.03 | cumulus007 | Jucato: /usr/share/kde/... ? |
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| 15:12.21 | cfraz89 | hi, i'm tryinng to get nepomuk to work on jaunty |
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| 15:12.34 | cfraz89 | i'vve installed sesame2, but nepomuk still seems to fail to find it |
| 15:12.36 | Jucato | cumulus007: `kde4-config --prefix`/share/sounds/ |
| 15:12.40 | cfraz89 | has anyone had any luck with this? |
| 15:13.11 | cumulus007 | bash: /usr/share/sounds/: is a folder |
| 15:13.25 | sandsmark | yes |
| 15:13.28 | Jucato | yes, I'm pointing to a folder |
| 15:13.44 | Jucato | so what do you usually do with folders? I'm sure you don't run them :) |
| 15:14.10 | szal | cumulus007: remove the typo from Jucato's line ;) |
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| 15:14.21 | cumulus007 | which? |
| 15:14.25 | Jucato | szal: what typo? |
| 15:14.47 | szal | Jucato: ah, I thought that was a command, but it's rather only a path |
| 15:14.52 | Jucato | there is no typo. I purposely just pointed to a (variable) directory |
| 15:14.55 | szal | nvm me then ;) |
| 15:15.17 | sandsmark | OK |
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| 15:21.19 | peaches | cfraz89: i thought i saw a forum post on the ubuntu forums about that specifically.. have you tried that yet? |
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| 15:21.45 | cfraz89 | haha yeah i just found it thanks peaches |
| 15:22.00 | cfraz89 | sesame plugin packaging error, its linking against libjvm.so |
| 15:22.04 | cfraz89 | which is not found |
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| 15:22.53 | cfraz89 | nino pinheiro? |
| 15:23.03 | engineer | no |
| 15:23.08 | engineer | nuno pinheiro |
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| 15:23.15 | cfraz89 | *thanks :) |
| 15:23.36 | engineer | austria? |
| 15:23.43 | cfraz89 | nuno pinheiro? |
| 15:23.48 | cfraz89 | australia :) |
| 15:23.51 | engineer | no you |
| 15:23.55 | engineer | ok |
| 15:24.41 | engineer | i did enjoy watching to australia this year |
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| 15:25.04 | cfraz89 | you went to australia? |
| 15:25.18 | engineer | no |
| 15:25.27 | engineer | australia the movie |
| 15:25.30 | cfraz89 | hey pinheiro, just want to say brilliant work with kde artwork, its amazing |
| 15:25.33 | engineer | with hugh jckaman |
| 15:25.38 | Jucato | please take it to #kde-chat |
| 15:25.40 | engineer | andnicole kidmna |
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| 15:25.58 | cfraz89 | engineer: haha i haven't seen it, but heard its mega boring :) |
| 15:26.22 | engineer | its long but enjoyable |
| 15:26.42 | sandsmark | did they use kde in it ? :> |
| 15:26.48 | Jucato | and offtopic |
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| 15:30.51 | zooko | Folks: I was editing an important document (my Google Summer of Code application) in konqueror when it locked up. |
| 15:31.01 | zooko | I'm trying to extract my document text from its memory. Any tips? |
| 15:31.42 | engineer | well, i can only wish good luck |
| 15:32.02 | peaches | zooko: how editing in konqueror? |
| 15:33.55 | zooko | Oh.. http://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?14,210,210,quote=1 |
| 15:33.58 | zooko | In a text edit widget. |
| 15:34.16 | peaches | oh on a website? |
| 15:34.34 | peaches | see if konq responds to dbus at all |
| 15:34.42 | zooko | Hm, where do I get ptrace. |
| 15:34.51 | zooko | peaches: ooh, that is a neat idea! I don't know how to use dbus though. |
| 15:34.55 | zooko | Is there a cmdline interface to it? |
| 15:35.20 | peaches | i dunno if there is a dbus call to get edit form text if that's what you were using.. i dont know what you mean by 'text edit widget' |
| 15:35.46 | peaches | zooko: qdbus. use qdbusviewer though it'll be easier |
| 15:36.19 | zooko | apt-cache search qdbusviewer -> no hits |
| 15:36.29 | szal | multilie text entry box, I guess |
| 15:36.36 | szal | *multiline |
| 15:36.47 | peaches | qt4-dev-tools |
| 15:36.57 | peaches | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&mode=exactfilename&keywords=qdbusviewer |
| 15:36.59 | zooko | Well, there was a funny text entry widget that had text-editor buttons on it like Font and Alignment and what not. |
| 15:37.09 | zooko | I *accidentally* entered a single letter into that widget. Then it locked up. :-/ |
| 15:37.28 | zooko | Well, I guess it wasn't an accident, but once I realized that it wasnt a normal text-edit ediget then I changed my mind. But it was too late. |
| 15:37.35 | peaches | we're talking about a website here right |
| 15:37.41 | cfraz89 | thats really unfortunate |
| 15:37.42 | zooko | Yes, the google summer of code web siute. |
| 15:37.48 | szal | probably a PHP thing, well known from forums |
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| 15:38.09 | zooko | I need to go take my wife to a dr's visit in a few minutes, but I'll be back! |
| 15:42.35 | zooko | Okay, qdbusviewer is neat! But I gotta run. |
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| 15:56.18 | buntfalke | does the kopete of kde4 provide something like a spam-filter for ICQ? |
| 15:56.53 | buntfalke | It's quite annoying, although google doesnt find my number on any website...they must simply be trying all number or so... |
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| 16:16.04 | avuton | Help, when starting kate-4.2.1 in xfce (which is the only kde app I really use) I get: Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: Not connected to D-Bus server. |
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| 16:18.11 | rds_ | Hi! |
| 16:19.23 | rds_ | Question for KDE4.2 I could not find an answer for in the www so far |
| 16:19.35 | rds_ | How to make the panel transparent? |
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| 16:20.51 | szal | should be transparent by default if you have desktop effects and, specifically, transparency enabled |
| 16:21.34 | Jucato | 2 factors to make panel transparent: 1. enabled desktop effects and 2. plasma theme with a transparent panel theme |
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| 16:22.34 | szal | I agree that in KDE 4 there's a lot left to be desired configuration-wise.. or it's just done differently than e.g. in KDE 3, emphasizing the need for proper end-user documentation |
| 16:22.35 | MrHeavy | Can I completely hide the sidebar in Okular? |
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| 16:22.51 | pinotree | Settings â Hide Navigation Panel? |
| 16:23.24 | MrHeavy | There we go, thanks |
| 16:23.29 | rds_ | OK, I have to look for a theme that has the panel transparent? No way to do it on my own? with my own tinting and shading? |
| 16:23.33 | MrHeavy | Why the hell that's under "Settings" instead of "View" is a mystery to me |
| 16:23.52 | pinotree | because it is a stored setting |
| 16:24.43 | MrHeavy | Haha, I inadvertently hid the menu bar and now I can't get it back |
| 16:24.46 | MrHeavy | Great job guys |
| 16:24.48 | MrHeavy | :( |
| 16:24.50 | pinotree | Ctrl+M |
| 16:25.05 | rds_ | So I have to write a theme just to get the panel look like I want it to look like? |
| 16:25.14 | sandsmark | MrHeavy: doesn't it show a warning first time you do it ? |
| 16:25.21 | sandsmark | rds_: how else would you do it ? |
| 16:25.46 | MrHeavy | It does not |
| 16:26.01 | MrHeavy | I just held down Ctrl and started hitting random buttons until it came back |
| 16:26.11 | pinotree | <pinotree> Ctrl+M |
| 16:26.20 | sandsmark | MrHeavy: it warned me first time I did it |
| 16:26.29 | sandsmark | (but then I clicked the âdo not show this warning againâ) |
| 16:26.36 | rds_ | sandsmark: I'd prefer the way it works in KDE3: Panel configurable |
| 16:27.39 | MrHeavy | pinotree: Getting an answer in IRC is not usability |
| 16:27.45 | MrHeavy | :( |
| 16:27.48 | rds_ | I mean REALLY configurable, not the small piece of configurable like in 4 |
| 16:28.17 | pinotree | MrHeavy: apart that that shortcut is described in the okular's manual, that shortcut is standard for all of KDE |
| 16:28.36 | MrHeavy | Standards also are not usability in and of themselves |
| 16:28.41 | Half-Left | rds_, Like anything new, it takes time for now it's just a case of changing the svg file if you need to |
| 16:28.45 | sandsmark | MrHeavy: they are |
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| 16:29.23 | MrHeavy | Haha, okay |
| 16:29.24 | sandsmark | they are learned, but for example blue text with under lines, and the cursor changing to a hand, then most people know they can click it |
| 16:29.34 | sandsmark | s,under lines,underline, |
| 16:29.38 | MrHeavy | Yeah, discoverability is a landmark principle of usability research |
| 16:29.42 | sandsmark | ... |
| 16:29.48 | MrHeavy | If you don't know what the blue thing does you figure out by clicking on it |
| 16:29.56 | rds_ | Half-Left: thanks, the first hint. svg file. something I can google now |
| 16:30.14 | MrHeavy | Really, the app should stick something somewhere to let you recover the menubar |
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| 16:31.33 | sandsmark | most people don't randomly click on stuff on screen |
| 16:31.51 | sandsmark | flexibility and efficiency are huge in usability too |
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| 16:32.20 | sandsmark | (jacob nielsen, for example, puts quite some emphasis on this) |
| 16:32.28 | Half-Left | rds_, http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Theme |
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| 16:34.15 | rds_ | thanks. |
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| 16:34.15 | Half-Left | Even Apple and Microsoft get usability wrong, and the are the industry leading ones |
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| 16:34.28 | rds_ | Another thing, the possibility to have a different background image for each desktop is gone? |
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| 16:34.34 | tenaglia | hi all |
| 16:35.13 | Half-Left | rds_, The 'Zoom Out' option for plasma does |
| 16:36.03 | Jucato | rds_: not gone. it wasn't there in the first place in the KDE 4 desktop, which is a rewrite from scratch (cleaner code/implementation, more room to grow) |
| 16:36.40 | Jucato | rds_: in other words, what you're used to in KDE 3 have to eventually make their way back KDE 4 as new features. |
| 16:36.49 | tenaglia | with konsole, if I copy a line of text that uses multiple lines then newlines are insterted when pasting. How can I avoid it ? |
| 16:37.25 | rds_ | Jucato: I had a look at the 4.2 live CD and did not find it. So maybe in further releases? |
| 16:37.33 | rds_ | Zoom out does that? |
| 16:37.52 | Jucato | rds_: it might be. it's currently not yet in 4.2.1 |
| 16:38.05 | Half-Left | Yes, it's in the plasma icon on the desktop |
| 16:38.13 | Jucato | or it could be done in a different way from KDE 3 |
| 16:39.51 | Half-Left | It's like virtual desktops but plasma powered and done in a different way. |
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| 16:41.39 | rds_ | When i click zoom out the desktop gets smaller and the rest of the screen looks like a chessboard |
| 16:42.14 | Half-Left | right, then you can add desktop from there and zoom into them |
| 16:42.33 | Half-Left | Or change the wallpaper from zoomed out |
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| 16:43.16 | rds_ | OK, ill give that a try. thank you guys and/or girls |
| 16:43.28 | Half-Left | Well, Add Activity |
| 16:46.28 | rds_ | Activity, whats that? |
| 16:47.02 | Half-Left | Another name for virtual desktops |
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| 16:47.54 | Half-Left | The Zoom out feature you add activities, or workspaces |
| 16:48.09 | Half-Left | it's what plasma calls them |
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| 16:51.43 | Half-Left | Rather a ample name, because you do 'activities' on them :p |
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| 17:13.18 | sandsmark | buntfalke: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kopete+Antispam+Plugin?content=82959 |
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| 17:19.16 | buntfalke | sandsmark: thanks |
| 17:19.24 | sandsmark | np :) |
| 17:19.31 | sandsmark | I was just browsing kde-apps for fun stuff ;D |
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| 17:28.05 | Chani | anyone in here running 4.2.1 and got a minute to test something? |
| 17:28.22 | pusling | is random 4.2.0/4.2.1 mix good enough ? |
| 17:28.31 | Chani | ...probably |
| 17:28.46 | Chani | have you ever used screensaver widgets? |
| 17:29.07 | pusling | not on this machine I_think |
| 17:29.17 | Chani | but you knlow the general idea? |
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| 17:29.38 | pusling | yes. |
| 17:29.48 | pusling | (I even asked you questions about it at akademy ... ;) |
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| 17:30.12 | sandsmark | Chani: I'm on 4.2.1, and I use them |
| 17:30.16 | sandsmark | :D |
| 17:30.57 | Chani | pusling: ok... go to the screensaver settings, turn on widgets, click hte setup button to bring up plasma... when it comes up add a pictureframe, then lock the screen, then right-click the pictureframe. then get out of there and tell me what you saw in the right-click menu |
| 17:31.20 | Chani | sandsmark: great, can you test this too? :) |
| 17:31.35 | sandsmark | okok :D |
| 17:32.46 | sandsmark | I get a âSetupâ-thingy |
| 17:32.53 | sandsmark | but nothing comes up when I click it |
| 17:33.10 | Chani | define "nothing" |
| 17:33.10 | sandsmark | âPicture Frame Settingsâ, to be precise ;) |
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| 17:33.18 | sandsmark | Chani: nada |
| 17:33.19 | sandsmark | :P |
| 17:33.26 | sandsmark | the menu disappears |
| 17:33.26 | pusling | I get such a right click menu as well |
| 17:33.31 | Chani | "picture frame settings" what? |
| 17:33.34 | pusling | and nothing happens when I select it. |
| 17:33.52 | sandsmark | Chani: same menu as if I right-click on the desktop |
| 17:34.01 | Chani | sandsmark: are you saying you see "picture frame settings" or that you don't see it? |
| 17:34.04 | sandsmark | *on the picture frame on the desktop |
| 17:34.12 | sandsmark | Chani: I see the menu entry |
| 17:34.18 | sandsmark | but nothing happens when I select it |
| 17:34.23 | pusling | but the menu entry don't do anything |
| 17:34.24 | Chani | that's not the same as the desktop |
| 17:34.30 | Chani | are there other menu entries? |
| 17:34.45 | pusling | yes. |
| 17:34.55 | pusling | one that gives access to unlock & unlock and quit |
| 17:35.16 | Chani | and...? |
| 17:35.27 | pusling | nothing else |
| 17:35.34 | Chani | only two, exactly two? |
| 17:35.49 | sandsmark | well, the second entry is a submenu, but yes :) |
| 17:35.59 | pusling | there is exactly two menu points, one menu point have a sub menu with exactly 2 points. |
| 17:36.00 | Chani | and one of them is definitely settings, not "open picture"? |
| 17:36.05 | duckinator | how do i re-enable compositioning if kde automatically disabled it? |
| 17:36.15 | pusling | the first menu is definately settings |
| 17:36.22 | Chani | >.< |
| 17:36.32 | pusling | the second is a sub menu with access to unlock and unlock and quit actions |
| 17:36.45 | Chani | but you still don't actually get settings when you click it |
| 17:36.48 | sandsmark | duckinator: shift-alt-f12 ? |
| 17:36.59 | pusling | Chani: no. no settings. nothing seems to happen |
| 17:36.59 | duckinator | :D thanks |
| 17:37.00 | sandsmark | Chani: no, it's dead |
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| 17:37.06 | sandsmark | np :D |
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| 17:37.17 | duckinator | still cant figure out why it keeps randomly disabling it... seems like nothing but kwin is slow, then it disables compositioning :\ |
| 17:37.38 | sandsmark | duckinator: I think I have the same problem |
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| 17:37.58 | sandsmark | I usually turn off&on the effects manually before kwin can react, though |
| 17:38.03 | sandsmark | duckinator: intel drivers ? |
| 17:38.05 | duckinator | yup |
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| 17:38.18 | pusling | Chani: gotten enough answers ? |
| 17:38.20 | sandsmark | which distro or version ? |
| 17:38.38 | Chani | wait wait... neither of you sees "appearance settings" anywhere? |
| 17:38.53 | Chani | it's not in that submenu? |
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| 17:39.00 | sandsmark | nope |
| 17:39.16 | pusling | the sub menu has exactly two entries which seems to relate to unlocking screensaver. |
| 17:39.17 | duckinator | sandsmark: ArchLinux, kde 4.2.1 |
| 17:39.28 | sandsmark | duckinator: same here :> |
| 17:39.34 | sandsmark | stupid X.org :p |
| 17:39.40 | duckinator | lol |
| 17:39.50 | duckinator | well bbl.. doctors appointment |
| 17:39.55 | duckinator | sneezes on the channel and leaves ;P |
| 17:39.59 | sandsmark | :P |
| 17:41.02 | pinotree | buntfalke: kopete in kde4 has a privacy plugin shipped by default with it |
| 17:41.41 | buntfalke | pinotree: thanks |
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| 17:41.50 | kim0 | Hi .. is there some known issue, when using 2 screens .. That pop up menus and such appear on screen 2 while the mouse was right-clicked on screen 1 ?! |
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| 17:43.35 | zooko | Oookay, just got back from taking my wife to a doctor's appointment, and now I have |
| 17:43.49 | zooko | 1 hour and 15 minutes or so to finish my Google Summer of Code application. |
| 17:44.07 | zooko | Clearly I should stop learning about qdbusviewer and go back to rewriting my application from scratch! |
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| 17:44.49 | zooko | Although it *should* be possible to just ptrace the konqueror process and grep the /proc/$PID/mem.... :-) |
| 17:44.51 | sandsmark | is the gsoc deadline tonight ? |
| 17:45.02 | sandsmark | zooko: or just grep for some part of your text ? :p |
| 17:45.04 | zooko | It is in 1 hour and 14 minutes from now, I think. |
| 17:45.20 | zooko | Yes, but in order to grep the mem of the app I think I might need to ptrace it. Not sure of the details yet. |
| 17:45.38 | nondysjunction | mm, thanks Jucato. I do like Amarok but Amarok2 just isn't far enough along yet. /join #banshee |
| 17:45.53 | sandsmark | zooko: uhm, student deadline or project deadline ? :> |
| 17:46.02 | nondysjunction | <_< .. typo. My bad. |
| 17:46.24 | sandsmark | ah, project deadline |
| 17:46.26 | bittin` | najs |
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| 17:51.28 | zooko | Hm, I don't see anything about "konqueror" in the "Session Bus" pane of qdbusviewer. |
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| 17:54.14 | x_link | Hi! |
| 17:54.38 | x_link | My folder-icons are bigger then usual in Bookmarks. |
| 17:54.43 | x_link | DOes anybody know how I can change that? |
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| 18:04.43 | x_link | Hi again. |
| 18:04.49 | x_link | Did somebody see my question? |
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| 18:08.18 | localh0st | http://localh0st.ma.ciasny.net/pliki/dasfasfafgalkgnaggnjkbo.png |
| 18:08.53 | localh0st | Whats wrong? I want make fonts looking like fonts on gnome, but dpi is...freak... |
| 18:09.19 | localh0st | Can i move fonts config from gnome to kde? |
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| 18:19.28 | BigBrain | Hey guys, what config file do I have to edit in order to disable session locking after 20 minutes inactivity? |
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| 18:23.58 | hdevalence | BigBrain: I think you can use systemsettings instead of editing a config file... |
| 18:24.28 | ChemBro | hey there, does someone know, what this here means? --> gwenview: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libnepomuk.so.4: undefined symbol: _Z5qHashRK4QUrl |
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| 18:24.57 | pinotree | ChemBro: that your gwenview is miscompiled |
| 18:25.17 | BigBrain | hdevalence: yeah, but unfortunately there's something screwed up in my config and thus some settings don't get saved correctly :-/ |
| 18:25.17 | sandsmark | pinotree: rather libnepomuk ? |
| 18:26.43 | pusling | a/win 23 |
| 18:26.48 | pusling | fail |
| 18:27.10 | sandsmark | :P |
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| 18:36.34 | BigBrain | Okay, something else... How can I find out if KDM logins fail because of a conflict with my system's PAM configuration? |
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| 18:36.44 | BigBrain | (Fedora 9, KDE 4.2.1) |
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| 18:39.16 | cb400f | BigBrain: I have /var/log/kdm.log on openSUSE |
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| 18:41.07 | BigBrain | cb400f: ah okay thanks. Guess I'll have to find out where my syslog logs are then...^^ |
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| 18:46.03 | localh0st | Hm |
| 18:46.31 | localh0st | KDE can get fonts settings from ~/.fonts.conf file? |
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| 19:00.02 | josh-l | are there any distros that are more fully kde, that use koffice instead of openoffice, krita instead of gimp... etc ? |
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| 19:00.33 | freeedrich| | you can do that on most distros on your own. |
| 19:00.38 | freeedrich| | but it isn't recommended... |
| 19:00.56 | josh-l | i know |
| 19:01.02 | josh-l | why not |
| 19:01.12 | cb400f | I think some distros have koffice on their install cds for space reasons ;-) |
| 19:01.34 | freeedrich| | because koffice is no where near being in a state you should uninstall oo.o |
| 19:01.40 | josh-l | oh really |
| 19:02.14 | sujith_h | hi al.When I do cmakekde in kdelibs, i get an error"CMake Error: The source directory "/media/disk-2/kde-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdelibs" does not exist." |
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| 19:02.21 | smurfslover | josh-l: ark is kde centric |
| 19:02.26 | sujith_h | instead of disk-2 i have disk |
| 19:02.27 | josh-l | i'm going to give a shot anywyas |
| 19:02.58 | sujith_h | can anyone help me how to make cmakekde work? |
| 19:03.15 | Half-Left | sujith_h, You need to be in a build directory |
| 19:03.37 | josh-l | smurfslover: apparently still using 3.5 |
| 19:03.39 | sujith_h | Half-Left: I am inside kdelibs directory |
| 19:04.04 | Half-Left | Right, but you need to make a build directory and build inside that |
| 19:05.46 | sujith_h | Half-Left: My .bashrc has /home/kde-devel/kde directory which has all the executables |
| 19:06.27 | Half-Left | ahhh, well I've never done the cmakekde, I build manually |
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| 19:07.59 | sujith_h | Half-Left: then I may have to specify the install dir and all. Isn't it? |
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| 19:10.05 | Half-Left | sujith_h, Well you just use the same line for each module |
| 19:10.26 | Half-Left | Simple case of just up arrow in the console everytime |
| 19:10.30 | sujith_h | Half-Left: I am confused how to change the source directory :( |
| 19:10.51 | Half-Left | cd kdelibs, mkdir build, cd build |
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| 19:12.43 | Half-Left | Then run cmake command from there with the prefix you want or options |
| 19:13.17 | Half-Left | cmake ../ |
| 19:14.09 | pinotree | sujith_h: you have to point cmake to the source directory |
| 19:14.23 | pinotree | while the current directory becomes the builddir |
| 19:15.09 | sujith_h | pinotree: ok. But can anyone help me how to fix cmakekde error fix? |
| 19:15.43 | pinotree | sujith_h: cmakekde is an alias that works ONLY with the configuration described in the build guide on techbase.kde.org |
| 19:15.52 | pinotree | that means you also have to follow it |
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| 19:17.26 | sujith_h | pinotree: my only issue is how to change the source directory from "/media/disk-2/kde-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdelibs" to "/media/disk/kde-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdelibs" |
| 19:17.52 | pinotree | sujith_h: if you followed the techbase instructions, it's described there |
| 19:17.54 | sujith_h | if this gets ok. I could compile kdelibs |
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| 19:26.31 | zooko | Hello folks! I'm really digging this new KDE 4.2.1 desktop (in Ubuntu Jaunty) after having used command-line, ratpoison, wmii, xmonad, GNU screen, etc. for every and a day. |
| 19:26.38 | zooko | What do folks recommend for a GUI for lm-sensors? |
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| 19:30.27 | Half-Left | zooko, You'll see System Monitor widgets in the Add Widgets dialog |
| 19:31.34 | NSaibot | any idea what the extenderapplet is for? |
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| 19:32.47 | zooko | I'm told that you have to edit /etc/sensors3.conf before lm-sensors will give you good results... |
| 19:32.48 | Half-Left | It's a extender like some widgets have, thats all :p |
| 19:33.35 | karthikp | Is it alright that there are multiple processes running at startup, all called nepomukservices? |
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| 19:36.18 | Half-Left | karthikp, Yes |
| 19:36.50 | Half-Left | You can turn it off if you don't use file tagging |
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| 19:37.05 | pgib | Hello, I want KDE4 to have Alt-Tab, how do I activate this? |
| 19:37.16 | sandsmark | hold down alt, press tab |
| 19:37.28 | pgib | In Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects I see Flip Switch and stuff |
| 19:37.37 | pgib | sandsmark, haha very funny |
| 19:37.40 | sandsmark | :D |
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| 19:37.48 | pgib | however, nothing occurs. Nothing at all. |
| 19:38.01 | sandsmark | works for me |
| 19:38.04 | sandsmark | what distro are you using ? |
| 19:38.34 | karthikp | Half-Left: I would use it if it worked. I tagged some files and used Krunner to look for tag:$TAG and no dice. |
| 19:38.49 | pgib | I tried Adding Alt-Tab as a Global Keyboard Shortcut in Keybrd & Mouse -> Global Shortcuts -> KWin -> Walk Through Windows |
| 19:39.08 | karthikp | So, well, I'll go back to waiting for it to be ready. :) |
| 19:39.15 | pgib | this adds support to switch between the most recent two windows, but not the *whole* list, and it isn't Desktop Effected |
| 19:39.29 | Half-Left | karthikp, You dont need to, you just type in the name of the tag |
| 19:39.49 | pgib | sandsmark, I am using Gentoo, |
| 19:40.13 | pgib | sandsmark, |
| 19:40.34 | karthikp | Tag searches work now? |
| 19:40.42 | pgib | Can you goto Keyboard & Mouse -> Global/Standard Keyboard Shortcuts -> and type "Alt-Tab" in the Seach box |
| 19:40.48 | pgib | tell me what you have yours assigned to please. |
| 19:40.57 | karthikp | The last I checked, honestly, was in 4.2.0 I think... |
| 19:42.15 | Half-Left | You tag the file in Dolphin then type the name in krunner(assuming you have the nepomuk runner option on) and it shows in Dolphin if you click it |
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| 19:43.32 | karthikp | Half-Left: I was about to type that it doesn't work, but I see that there's a delay before the results are displayed... |
| 19:43.49 | karthikp | I guess I missed it before because I had tons of files tagged. |
| 19:43.54 | NSaibot | what makes me wonder is the fact that kde became overall faster with qt 4.5 that i *could* run it with effects enabled. |
| 19:44.09 | karthikp | The one file that I just test-tagged appeared. (Sweet!) |
| 19:44.23 | NSaibot | the only thing wich holds me back from doin so is the lag while resizing the application windows |
| 19:44.48 | NSaibot | wasn't there a qt blog entry which described how that became much faster? |
| 19:44.53 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 19:46.35 | Half-Left | NSaibot, Some drivers make Qt drawing look slow when it's not |
| 19:47.24 | NSaibot | is radeon known to behave like that? |
| 19:47.38 | Half-Left | Nvidia drivers you need all sorts of hacks to make it smooth, the 8 series have them built-in now |
| 19:48.11 | karthikp | I have a 9800 and it's smooth here, too. :) |
| 19:48.36 | Half-Left | Ype, thats because 8/9 series you don't have to add these hacks |
| 19:49.13 | Half-Left | If you have a FX series and below your screwed |
| 19:49.36 | Half-Left | you're :p |
| 19:49.41 | karthikp | Half-Left: I can also confirm that it's smooth on a 6800. |
| 19:49.52 | NSaibot | me? i have a ati radeon 9600 xt |
| 19:50.25 | Half-Left | karthikp, Yes, 6/7 series have the hacks to make KDE4.x smooth |
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| 19:50.58 | NSaibot | can i haz some hackz pleeeeaze |
| 19:52.11 | karthikp | NSaibot: There's a page on userbase/techbase on nvidia hacks. The easy thing to do might just be to update your drivers. |
| 19:52.24 | NSaibot | <--- radeon |
| 19:52.27 | NSaibot | <--- ati |
| 19:52.52 | karthikp | Aye. Just scrolled up to read that bit. My bad. |
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| 19:53.19 | NSaibot | you had to scroll?! |
| 19:53.28 | pgib | can anyone help me? If you have a working Alt-Tab, please goto Keyboard & Mouse -> Global/Standard Keyboard Shortcuts -> and type "Alt-Tab" in the Seach box. I'd like to know what Action it is |
| 19:53.29 | pgib | thanks |
| 19:54.13 | karthikp | At work I had a FireGL 300 or some card like that. After about three months with it, I replaced it with a cheap nvidia card. Moral of the story for me has been to avoid ati cards like gnome. |
| 19:54.31 | NSaibot | hehe |
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| 19:54.37 | karthikp | The same page I mentioned had a section on ati cards as well. Lemme find it... |
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| 19:56.02 | Half-Left | I think distros have something to do with speed as well, I've noticed Archlinux 4.2 resizing windows is slightly smoother than in Fedora 10 for example |
| 19:56.52 | NSaibot | uses gentoo |
| 19:56.53 | Half-Left | Yet firefox scrolling is much smoother in Fedora 10 than Archlinux, but thats firefox, no idea why |
| 19:57.23 | Half-Left | Maybe some optimizations are turned on or off there |
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| 19:58.19 | NSaibot | pgib: what exactly do you expect? |
| 19:58.51 | NSaibot | my alt+tab works just fine, and it switches to the next application |
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| 19:59.25 | NSaibot | Half-Left: will ask on #gentoo-kde |
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| 20:12.20 | tsb | Are intel-based notebook cards good enough for KDE4 kwin-effects? Thinking about intel 4500hda etc |
| 20:13.06 | engineer | network cards? |
| 20:13.14 | engineer | umts cards? |
| 20:15.21 | tsb | engineer: how on earth would KDE kwin-effects depend on the performance of network cards or umts cards? |
| 20:15.56 | engineer | then you meant graphic cards |
| 20:15.56 | tsb | I am talking about videocards, obviously. |
| 20:16.11 | tsb | Yes |
| 20:16.38 | engineer | they are ok, but i advised against it if you want some serious performance |
| 20:16.44 | engineer | advise* |
| 20:16.54 | tsb | I am getting a notebook and I want a cheap one but they all come with crummy intel videocards. I don't mind it as long as kde4 can use hardware acceleration. |
| 20:17.33 | tsb | engineer: I realize they are not good for gaming, but I have a stationary with a nvidia 280 gtx card etc so I think I'll keep playing on that one anyway :) |
| 20:17.36 | engineer | http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/mobile/notebooks/lifebook_t5010.html |
| 20:17.43 | engineer | here's one for you |
| 20:18.05 | engineer | a real notebook |
| 20:18.22 | engineer | if you want 1 for overall productivity |
| 20:18.36 | tsb | hu, it has that screen-flip thingie.. I don't see what I'd use that for |
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| 20:18.51 | tsb | it's like my 24" monitor. I can turn it vertically, but why would i :) |
| 20:19.00 | engineer | 2 batteries |
| 20:19.02 | engineer | 3g card |
| 20:19.03 | tsb | engineer: yes battery etc is important |
| 20:19.20 | engineer | no more external stuff when you are closequarters |
| 20:19.35 | engineer | those aren't expensive |
| 20:19.54 | engineer | and they are made in germany and not in some end of the world asia country |
| 20:20.24 | tsb | engineer: I can't find that anywhere in my country |
| 20:20.35 | engineer | what's your country? |
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| 20:24.23 | NSaibot | tsb: why don't you take a livecd with kde and go test it in a store :) |
| 20:24.38 | engineer | ahah that would be leet |
| 20:25.30 | tsb | NSaibot: haha, that's not a bad idea actually! |
| 20:25.35 | tsb | engineer: norway |
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| 20:27.16 | engineer | tsb http://sp.fujitsu-siemens.com/dmsp/docs/ds-lifebook-t5010.pdf |
| 20:27.22 | engineer | oops |
| 20:27.34 | engineer | http://www.fujitsu-siemens.no/products/mobile/notebooks/lifebook_t.html |
| 20:28.01 | tsb | so noone in this channel is running kde4 on some intel videocard chip? |
| 20:28.17 | tsb | engineer: ah, I always go through resellers :) |
| 20:28.40 | pusling | tsb: my Eee 4G runs kwin effects nicely on its 7" screen, but does have problems with external monitors |
| 20:28.43 | engineer | yeah, i'm sure they can sell that model if you ask |
| 20:29.52 | duckinator | hi |
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| 20:35.00 | tsb | cool |
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| 21:01.48 | maki | hi |
| 21:01.51 | maki | anyone here |
| 21:02.23 | sandsmark | no |
| 21:02.35 | sandsmark | we're all out getting drunk |
| 21:02.37 | sandsmark | :D |
| 21:02.46 | Half-Left | And eating nice things |
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| 21:14.11 | engineer | maki speak up but be advised, i'm wasted |
| 21:15.32 | quassel208 | !pastebin |
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| 21:16.58 | engineer | quassel208 http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin |
| 21:18.16 | quassel208 | http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/130804/ |
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| 21:24.39 | josh-l | can I make title bar thinner? |
| 21:26.46 | wilder | josh-l: if you want I can provide a patch ;) |
| 21:26.54 | wilder | but there's no way to configure it as thinner |
| 21:27.01 | wilder | .. yet .. |
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| 21:31.10 | Simkin | is ther a hot key to disable desktop effects |
| 21:31.20 | Simkin | and is there a way to disable desktop effects form the kdm menu (before you login) |
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| 21:34.33 | josh-l | wilder: is it planned? |
| 21:35.02 | wilder | josh-l: not sure. |
| 21:35.08 | peaches | shift+alt+f2 |
| 21:35.21 | peaches | no that should be f12 |
| 21:35.50 | wilder | Simkin: shift+alt+f12 works |
| 21:35.54 | peaches | small title font for thin title bar |
| 21:36.28 | wilder | peaches: I'm actually unsure about that.. the height is still hardcoded >=22 |
| 21:36.39 | peaches | does khotkeys daemon work for anyone without causing lag in kmenuedit |
| 21:37.03 | peaches | wilder: 22 pixels? |
| 21:37.12 | wilder | peaches: yes |
| 21:37.32 | josh-l | wilder how hard is it to apply the patch? |
| 21:38.31 | engineer | it's like loading a kernel module |
| 21:38.41 | Simkin | i'm getting an error that qt doesn't know how to handle the "meta" key |
| 21:38.43 | Simkin | how do i fix that?? |
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| 21:41.39 | peaches | title bar we're talking window titles |
| 21:41.40 | peaches | right/ |
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| 21:42.01 | peaches | Simkin: what qt version |
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| 21:43.32 | Simkin | peaches: uhm. |
| 21:43.35 | Simkin | how do i check? |
| 21:43.44 | wilder | josh-l: have you ever compiled kde from sources? |
| 21:44.01 | peaches | Simkin: can run qtconfig => help.about |
| 21:44.17 | Simkin | peaches: peaches, 4.4.2 |
| 21:44.25 | Simkin | open source edition |
| 21:44.34 | peaches | i have my window title at 16 pixels. whats the title bar? |
| 21:45.03 | peaches | Simkin: can you imagebin the error? |
| 21:45.03 | wilder | peaches: 16 pixels you mean the font? |
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| 21:45.33 | peaches | wilder no my whole window title i'm using a small widget thing a ma jig |
| 21:45.49 | Carl_ | any plans to add a youtube plugin to a movie player like totem has? |
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| 21:46.00 | wilder | peaches: allright, no oxygen then |
| 21:46.14 | peaches | using Web window decoration |
| 21:46.16 | wilder | I assumed you were using oxygen for some reason |
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| 21:46.36 | wilder | josh-l: yeah another way to save space is to change window deco |
| 21:46.42 | peaches | wilder: so you mean it's hard coded into oxygen? are those things compiled or text editable |
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| 21:46.59 | wilder | peaches: compiled :( |
| 21:47.20 | Simkin | peaches: http://imagebin.org/41289 |
| 21:47.25 | peaches | oh that sucks. i'd like to use oxygen but i want small titles |
| 21:47.50 | wilder | that's why I got it hacked in the first time |
| 21:48.02 | wilder | it still has some rough edges, though |
| 21:48.17 | Simkin | peaches: any ideas? |
| 21:48.19 | Simkin | it's driving me insane. |
| 21:48.28 | Simkin | peaches: i'm using gentoo |
| 21:48.30 | Simkin | if that makes a diff |
| 21:48.41 | peaches | Simkin: does xev show it as a Meta keysim? |
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| 21:49.11 | peaches | Simkin: yea there were old Qt's that has Meta problem irc |
| 21:49.26 | peaches | wilder: how rough? |
| 21:49.32 | wilder | Simkin: which key are you trying to use? |
| 21:50.02 | peaches | if you can't upgrade Qt, remap it to Super |
| 21:50.05 | Simkin | peaches: how do i tell? |
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| 21:50.14 | wilder | well buttons are not centered correctly and stuff like that |
| 21:50.14 | Simkin | peaches: comes up serial 31, synethic no. and abunch of other tuff. |
| 21:50.16 | peaches | Simkin: run 'xev' and press the key in the window |
| 21:50.17 | Simkin | keycode 133 |
| 21:50.22 | Simkin | yah i did that |
| 21:50.28 | Simkin | i'm trying to use the linkey as the meta key |
| 21:50.46 | mbvpixies78 | Hello all. How do I give Klam Anti-virus permission to scan root and all other file locations? |
| 21:50.56 | peaches | ok inside the (keysym .., X) whats the X name |
| 21:50.57 | Simkin | mbvpixies78: run it as root |
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| 21:51.15 | Simkin | peaches: keysym 0x1008ff8e, XF86Messenger) |
| 21:51.16 | rotem | Are .kde4 and .kde4.2 supposed to be to different directories ore on directory and one symlink? |
| 21:51.41 | mbvpixies78 | Do I have to log in as root to run Klam as root or is there a convenient way? |
| 21:51.45 | peaches | rotem: probably different for RC testing purposes |
| 21:51.54 | wilder | peaches: besides, it looks horrible if you don't get also smaller widgets |
| 21:52.15 | wilder | which I'm working on as well, but there's some weird problem sometimes |
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| 21:52.33 | rotem | peaches: So that isn;t a probable cause of kde settings getting lost? |
| 21:52.36 | peaches | mbvpixies78: set it up to run as root in the menu editor (kmenuedit) or run it kdesu or kdesudo prepended, depending on oyour distro |
| 21:53.47 | peaches | Simkin: XF86Messenger eh? whats distro you on? haha |
| 21:53.54 | Simkin | peaches: gentoo |
| 21:54.02 | Simkin | peaches: this worked fine until i went from 4.2 to 4.2.1 |
| 21:54.17 | peaches | Simkin: run this and see what happens xmodmap -e 'keycode 133 = Meta_L' |
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| 21:54.44 | Simkin | no |
| 21:54.51 | matulik | ww |
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| 21:54.59 | peaches | ahh gentoo i used that up until they borked a KDE release that compiled against outdated libraries |
| 21:55.15 | mbvpixies78 | peaches-- thank you |
| 21:55.27 | Simkin | what do you use now? |
| 21:56.00 | peaches | kubuntu. gentoo is good though but if i want to misconfigure compilations rarely but randomly, i'll do that myself heh |
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| 21:56.42 | Simkin | peaches: that worked! |
| 21:57.03 | peaches | Simkin: put it in kde autostart |
| 21:57.23 | peaches | or system wide, read xmodmap manual or whatever |
| 21:57.35 | Simkin | peaches: oddly enough, it looks like my .Xmodmap script for the g15 is creating the problem! |
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| 21:58.00 | Simkin | but it just started since 4.2.1 |
| 21:58.02 | Simkin | how very odd |
| 21:58.27 | Simkin | thanks peaches |
| 21:58.31 | Simkin | i owe you one! |
| 21:58.40 | peaches | ill send you the biil |
| 21:58.50 | Simkin | how about a problem instead :) |
| 21:59.33 | Simkin | gah |
| 21:59.37 | Simkin | now it's coming up as alt? |
| 21:59.46 | peaches | Simkin: ok can you pastebin your khotkeysrc.. i've got to debug that thing eventually |
| 22:00.30 | peaches | Simkin: as alt in Qt but not xev right? |
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| 22:00.57 | Simkin | peaches: actually alt in both.. i just didn't realize i just swa it worked and thought "YAY" |
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| 22:01.38 | peaches | should come up as Meta_L in xev for sure.. dunno |
| 22:02.00 | Simkin | peaches: I think super_l is the right one |
| 22:02.22 | peaches | ok |
| 22:02.31 | Simkin | YES |
| 22:02.43 | Simkin | definately Super_L |
| 22:02.47 | Simkin | now what did you want me to send you? |
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| 22:03.36 | peaches | xmodmap will make it be any key you want.. theres probably a kde built in way to do that in the kxb kbx or whatever |
| 22:03.45 | peaches | Simkin: $KDEHOME/share/config/khotkeysrc |
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| 22:04.35 | peaches | need to take a look at a working copy.. only ones i can make stall out the file/kded subsystem or something |
| 22:04.53 | peaches | or my khotkeys is just broked at the moment |
| 22:05.16 | Simkin | peaches: please see pm |
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| 22:08.12 | roman | hello, maybe it's incorrect place to aks this question.. I've already googled and found no answer to it. how can I profile loading of kde? are there some kind of logs or so? can you please point me in right direction? |
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| 22:10.12 | Simkin | profile loading? |
| 22:10.15 | Simkin | what do you mean roman? |
| 22:10.58 | roman | it loads small just before loading systray. i'd want to know which application causing this |
| 22:11.35 | roman | profile loading = to see which programs are starting and how much time it takes |
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| 22:12.47 | wilder | peaches: I'm in line for another question regarding kded - globalkeys |
| 22:13.51 | peaches | roman: i dunno about profile but startkde sript in your PATH starts the various processes |
| 22:14.02 | peaches | wilder: whats yours? |
| 22:14.40 | wilder | So I recently upgraded to xorg 1.5.3 which implies that all keyboard input is now delivered by hal |
| 22:15.01 | wilder | this caused some of the mediakeys keycodes to change (???) |
| 22:15.16 | wilder | so I updated my xmodmap |
| 22:15.21 | roman | thanks for this info. are there some global log file in kde? |
| 22:15.48 | wilder | and now media keys work in app shortcuts, but not as global shortcuts |
| 22:17.03 | wilder | xev detect them correctly of course, and they correctly appear when setting them. Still they don't work |
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| 22:18.36 | peaches | rocme: dunno for some reason i thought it was ~/.xsession-errors.. start x outside of kdm and pipe errors to a file i guess |
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| 22:19.42 | mbvpixies78 | When I try to run Klam anti-virus, it says the KDE mediamanager is not running. How to fix? |
| 22:20.20 | peaches | wilder: hm that is weird.. i had same trouble with HAL and media keys, had to remap, i can get global keys to work with them put until logout (but i assume thats because i have to force no-write on khotkeysrc otherwise things stall) |
| 22:20.42 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 22:20.54 | roman | hi |
| 22:20.54 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to make konversation open /tmp by default? |
| 22:20.55 | wilder | what's khotkeysrc related to? |
| 22:21.05 | wilder | that's a different story afail |
| 22:21.07 | wilder | afaik |
| 22:21.23 | Ace2017_- | i'm usually wgetting something or messing with log files in /tmp |
| 22:21.26 | wilder | uh... maybe... |
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| 22:22.10 | wilder | mh so that's probably a false alarm, |
| 22:22.39 | peaches | khotkeys im not sure i think it used to be a standalone daemon in earlier kde's handling Input Actions and Mouse Gestures and stuff, now i think it may be entirely a kded service and has something to do with global keys set in kmenuedit and filtered in kickoff |
| 22:22.41 | Ace2017_- | roman: did you find out if kde has a global log file? |
| 22:22.49 | wilder | apparently there was some cached values polluting my configuration |
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| 22:23.02 | wilder | resetting them seem to make globalkeys work again |
| 22:23.03 | Ace2017_- | wilder: reboot? |
| 22:23.11 | wilder | Ace2017_-: never reboot ;) |
| 22:23.22 | roman | no :( |
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| 22:24.29 | wilder | roman: Ace2017_-: you have the debug log in .xsession-errors |
| 22:24.46 | wilder | but roman: would you please explain the problem one more time? |
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| 22:25.14 | wilder | I can't quite get it from what you said before |
| 22:25.42 | roman | well.. that's not a big problem.. just before the loading of systray system 'hangs' as if waiting for smth. |
| 22:25.49 | roman | it takes up to 1 min |
| 22:25.53 | wilder | for how long? |
| 22:25.59 | wilder | 1 min or 50 secs? |
| 22:26.02 | wilder | :) |
| 22:26.12 | roman | i want to find out what's program is guilty :) |
| 22:26.23 | wilder | this sounds like a dbus deadlock |
| 22:26.34 | wilder | they timeout in 25 secs |
| 22:27.01 | wilder | so if you have something which hangs for a multiple of 25 secs, thats almost surely a dbus deadlock |
| 22:27.09 | wilder | roman: do this |
| 22:27.16 | wilder | open a konsole |
| 22:27.25 | wilder | and type kquitapp plasma |
| 22:27.26 | roman | don ) |
| 22:27.40 | wilder | that would kill plasma and leave you with a black desktop |
| 22:27.56 | wilder | then run gdb plasma |
| 22:28.04 | wilder | uuuuuuh |
| 22:28.05 | wilder | wait |
| 22:28.25 | wilder | your keyboard works during the hang? |
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| 22:28.32 | roman | should i have debugging symbols for that? |
| 22:28.40 | wilder | roman: yes |
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| 22:33.54 | mbvpixies78 | How do I start the program kcontrol??? This is what is most difficult in Linux--- tedious time spent trying to find the right file to start a program. Advice? |
| 22:35.46 | roman | alt+f2 |
| 22:35.50 | roman | then kcontrol |
| 22:36.20 | pinotree | note that if you are in kde4, there's no kcontrol, but systemsettings (which is the control settings application) |
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| 22:38.01 | mbvpixies78 | ah, ok |
| 22:38.06 | mbvpixies78 | thank you! :) |
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| 22:39.46 | roman | wilder: ok, i checked. my keyboard is not blocked |
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| 22:41.06 | roman | wilder: but i cannot run any programs, these actions seems to be suspended. what should i do with gdb? i have already debugging symbols |
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| 22:41.46 | mbvpixies78 | How do I start media manager in system settings? |
| 22:42.00 | roman | what do u mean? |
| 22:42.10 | roman | 'how do u start?' |
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| 22:42.48 | mbvpixies78 | As I mentioned earlier, Klam AV has error-- KDE media manager is not running (not started) |
| 22:43.29 | roman | wilder: it happens just before loading the system tray. then after some time it loads, and sound plays.. |
| 22:43.41 | roman | oh, ok |
| 22:43.51 | roman | i dont know, soory :) |
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| 22:44.16 | wilder | ok cool, then kquitapp plasma |
| 22:44.26 | wilder | then you will run gdb plasma |
| 22:44.26 | mbvpixies78 | brb |
| 22:44.33 | wilder | and when everything halts |
| 22:44.37 | wilder | you hit ctrl-C |
| 22:44.44 | wilder | and type bt to obtain a backtrace |
| 22:45.18 | roman | what command i shoud give to gdb? |
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| 22:46.50 | roman | ok :) i got what u mean )) |
| 22:48.15 | murrant | Is anyone working on setting xinput properties from a system settings? |
| 22:49.58 | aseigo | murrant: mmm.. i don't think so |
| 22:50.02 | aseigo | murrant: would be nice though |
| 22:50.05 | comraderaikov | gots a question about Konversation |
| 22:50.25 | aseigo | you can also do: ps aux | grep plasma and note the pid |
| 22:50.30 | aseigo | then do: gdb plasma |
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| 22:50.35 | aseigo | attach <pid#> |
| 22:50.47 | aseigo | then do the ctrl-c, bt thin g when it goes wrong |
| 22:50.54 | aseigo | don't actually need to stop the currently running plasma |
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| 22:51.34 | Half-Left | aseigo, PM please! |
| 22:51.41 | aseigo | hm? |
| 22:52.28 | szal | I seem to have narrowed down my Plasma crashing on startup to something in plasma-appletsrc, because when I delete it the desktop starts fine.. unfortunately this thing is hardly human-readable, so I'm not able to further pin it down |
| 22:52.33 | aseigo | private message for something both on topic and generally useful to know in response to a public conversation in a channel that's fairly quiet ayways? zoinks |
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| 22:52.52 | aseigo | szal: quite simple. look for plugin= entries |
| 22:53.13 | Half-Left | Yer, it's not really for the channel, they don't want to here this :p |
| 22:53.16 | aseigo | szal: the ones you want will be in group entries that look like [Containment][#][Applets][#] |
| 22:53.40 | aseigo | szal: you can delete those groups one by one to see which entry it is |
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| 22:54.04 | aseigo | szal: you could also get a backtrace with debu symbos and post it somewhere we could look at it (it'll end up in the problem plugin) |
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| 22:54.47 | roman | wilder: i found what was causing the problem... |
| 22:54.59 | wilder | aaaaaaand? |
| 22:55.01 | roman | wilder: not with gdb though. |
| 22:55.06 | roman | its wallet |
| 22:55.19 | roman | kde wallet daemon |
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| 22:55.32 | wilder | I see |
| 22:55.50 | murrant | aseigo: I only just figured out how to enable scrolling with the xinput command :P |
| 22:55.58 | wilder | so prolly the wallet is either very slow or is having some dbus issues |
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| 22:56.44 | roman | yes... |
| 22:57.17 | roman | which part of kde is this.. i mean maybe it's better to submit this as a bug |
| 22:57.35 | szal | aseigo: I have one, I can post it later |
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| 22:59.47 | roman | wilder: when i start wallet now, after loading it's ok... |
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| 23:00.12 | wilder | again, smells like dbus |
| 23:00.58 | TobiaszCudnik | is there a way to get embended terminal working in old krusader 1.90 on kde4 (4.2.1) ? |
| 23:01.22 | roman | ok, then it should lock something which is needed particularly by wallet |
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| 23:01.43 | roman | because without it everything runs smothly |
| 23:01.45 | engineer | dolphin has an embedded terminal |
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| 23:02.05 | TobiaszCudnik | dolphin isnt orthodox ;) |
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| 23:02.27 | TobiaszCudnik | which results in 4x more time for same action... |
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| 23:13.55 | roman | wilder: ok, i've completely localized my problem. it's caused by gmailnotifier widget, which tries to access the wall just at the startup. that causes this pause.. |
| 23:14.11 | wilder | aha |
| 23:14.15 | wilder | deadlock! |
| 23:14.31 | aseigo | roman: that's kwallet :) |
| 23:14.39 | aseigo | szal: cool. |
| 23:15.00 | roman | hm.. and why cant it start quicker? |
| 23:15.12 | aseigo | roman: hm. let me look at how we deal with that in microblogger widget |
| 23:15.17 | szal | gotta look for my bugzilla account credentials anyway |
| 23:15.45 | roman | ok.. brb *testing* |
| 23:18.12 | mx-tvt_ | hello... I'm having a problem with KDE... sometimes the UP key from the keyboard won't work |
| 23:18.16 | mx-tvt_ | until I restart X |
| 23:18.25 | mx-tvt_ | it works fine on KDM |
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| 23:20.54 | wilder | mx-tvt_: any recent update worth mentioning? |
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| 23:21.27 | mx-tvt_ | I'm running svn, so, everything from last week? ;) |
| 23:21.49 | wilder | I mean non-kde related |
| 23:22.02 | wilder | like any video-card driver or such |
| 23:22.59 | mx-tvt_ | ah, well. I don't think so. would a video driver have any influence over keyboard events? |
| 23:23.16 | engineer | yes |
| 23:23.20 | engineer | it deals with X |
| 23:23.42 | engineer | and X deals with keyboard |
| 23:23.54 | mx-tvt_ | xev output is a little different when UP is working and when it's not |
| 23:23.55 | wilder | mx-tvt_: nvidia (almost) latest driver opened the gates of hell in this sense |
| 23:24.14 | mx-tvt_ | I'm using 180.129 (latest one didn't work for me) |
| 23:24.56 | wilder | yeah 180.35 sucks stay away from it |
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| 23:27.28 | roman | aseigo: wilder: ok, one more step. the problem is the way how gmailnotifier widget ask wallet, because with microblogger it rocks |
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| 23:27.47 | mx-tvt_ | wilder: http://rafb.net/p/pSgsFx60.html this is what xev gives me |
| 23:27.53 | wilder | yeah prolly it makes a dbus call to wallet |
| 23:28.07 | wilder | and wallet makes a dbus call back to gmailnotifier |
| 23:28.10 | wilder | and this is bad |
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| 23:28.39 | roman | i'm gonna check how it's implemented in microblogger |
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| 23:29.24 | wilder | mx-tvt_: I see no real difference |
| 23:29.44 | wilder | oooh wait I missed the top part :P |
| 23:30.06 | wilder | no the top part should be unrelated |
| 23:30.11 | wilder | they look the same |
| 23:30.17 | mx-tvt_ | except |
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| 23:30.22 | mx-tvt_ | that when UP works |
| 23:30.26 | mx-tvt_ | I get no top part |
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| 23:30.36 | mx-tvt_ | and when UP doesn't work, I get the two top parts |
| 23:30.37 | mx-tvt_ | lol |
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| 23:30.53 | mx-tvt_ | it is not a coincidence |
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| 23:31.50 | wilder | are you sure that |
| 23:32.23 | wilder | you didn't set UP to some global shortcut of sorts ? (that's prolly stupid guessing) |
| 23:32.37 | duckinator | ...wtf :\ |
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| 23:33.43 | duckinator | w/ other wms/dms my laptop crashes if i dont restart networking within like half a minute of losing wifi.. but with kde it crashes after like 3 seconds of any app trying to use it -- would there be anything in kde that'd cause this? or just random? |
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| 23:40.14 | szal | something seems to have fixed my crash issue; can't pin it down.. but first I deleted the entry for the task bar in plasma-appletsrc, then started the thing & found that the lower panel (I have 2) was set to left-align, although I had set it to center before |
| 23:40.52 | szal | then copied a backup of plasma-appletsrc back & the thing still worked.. so now I have to make some settings to see where it hangs |
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| 23:59.11 | linuksamiko | Hey, got a question. Where are the config files for the k-menu (the new one). There is something in my favourit list and I can't get it out |
| 23:59.11 | josh-l | how do i get kde 4 menu tabs to open on hover? |
| 23:59.17 | Ace2017_- | had a great idea |
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| 23:59.29 | Ace2017_- | how about multiple torrent queues for ktorrent? |
