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| 06:07.36 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 4.2 rc is out as well as KDE 4.1.4! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | KDE forum: http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 06:08.19 | Grommet | hi ppl, just wondoering if I can make the icons look better in the kicker, they all have an odd background |
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| 06:41.16 | chewed-on | Does KDE 4 have a stable version ? |
| 06:41.20 | chewed-on | release. |
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| 07:00.24 | holycow | where does kmail keep its imap accounts? |
| 07:01.03 | holycow | i copied back my ./kde4/share/apps/kmail but the lost imap accounts don't appear in the client |
| 07:01.38 | smurfslover | holycow: investigate ./.kde4/share/config for any kmail rc files |
| 07:02.05 | holycow | oh |
| 07:02.10 | holycow | danke, lets take a look |
| 07:03.22 | holycow | so i deleted the kamilrc file opened up kmail again and it still knows about imap accounts |
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| 07:04.00 | holycow | weird ... let met check my .kde3 folder |
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| 07:08.35 | MrPeepers310 | hey in kde 3 i had a setting were a windows toolbar (i.e. File, edit, etc...) would show up on the top of the desktop. (like in mac os X) now in 4 that toolbar just pops out and acts as an actual window. Is there a way to undo that mac osX style setting? |
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| 07:11.40 | MrPeepers310 | anyone know what im talking about? |
| 07:12.44 | holycow | not really |
| 07:12.49 | holycow | you are describing it inverse |
| 07:13.02 | MrPeepers310 | i'm what? |
| 07:13.11 | holycow | window management on linux behaves like it does on windows by default |
| 07:13.12 | holycow | not a mac |
| 07:13.38 | holycow | if yours behaved like a mac you had set it up that way |
| 07:13.52 | holycow | although frankly, i've never seen this actually done on a linux box |
| 07:14.01 | holycow | i don't know of a single window manager that manages windows in the mac way |
| 07:14.04 | MrPeepers310 | ya but i changed the setting back in 3.5 to put the toolbar up on top of my desktop now in 4 i cant change that setting anymore |
| 07:14.12 | smurfslover | holycow: maybe you talking about the xbar widget |
| 07:14.24 | smurfslover | which btw only works with the bespin qt4 style |
| 07:14.38 | holycow | maybe he is, i've never seen or heard of this before |
| 07:14.41 | Moult | holycow: kde 3.5 can do mac style |
| 07:14.49 | MrPeepers310 | ok the toolbar i'm talking about on a window is the one that has the dropdown menus like file, edit, help |
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| 07:15.34 | smurfslover | MrPeepers310: in kde4 you can only have that with the xbar widget which only works if you use the bespin qt4 style |
| 07:15.36 | smurfslover | for now |
| 07:15.48 | smurfslover | maybe kde4 devs will bring it back to us |
| 07:15.56 | holycow | Moult: really? |
| 07:16.01 | holycow | huh |
| 07:16.05 | holycow | neat |
| 07:16.25 | MrPeepers310 | is there a config file with the desktop settings for kde? |
| 07:16.33 | Moult | holycow: in KDE 3, you could have the menu bar thing at the top of the screen instead of embedded in applications. in kde 4 this no longer exists, so to get it you need to do what smurfslover said. |
| 07:16.41 | Moult | sorry, that was @ MrPeepers310 |
| 07:17.07 | Moult | MrPeepers310: ~/.kde/share/config/ |
| 07:17.18 | holycow | huh, thanks for that information |
| 07:17.21 | holycow | really appreciate it |
| 07:17.36 | MrPeepers310 | Moult: thats what i'm talking about! but i want to get rid of that and there is now option to do that! |
| 07:17.48 | Moult | MrPeepers310: try plasmarc or something that sounds like it (i think it was plasma-somethingrc) |
| 07:17.53 | Moult | plasma-settingsrc or something |
| 07:18.12 | Moult | MrPeepers310: you are on KDE 4. but you have a mac style bar on the top? |
| 07:18.33 | Moult | MrPeepers310: screenie, upload.failnation.com let me see |
| 07:18.36 | MrPeepers310 | no i don't it just takes the menu bar and makes it it's own window |
| 07:18.48 | Moult | MrPeepers310: let me see. |
| 07:19.00 | MrPeepers310 | ok i'm on gnome right now but it does the same thing |
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| 07:20.15 | MrPeepers310 | Moult: http://upload.failnation.com/Screenshot.png |
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| 07:21.21 | Moult | MrPeepers310: did you do any modifications like use xbar widget or something? |
| 07:21.30 | Moult | MrPeepers310: do you have kde 3.x installed at the same time as 4? |
| 07:22.26 | MrPeepers310 | no but i did upgrade the from 3.x to 4 during the ubuntu 8.10 upgrade |
| 07:22.32 | MrPeepers310 | no, no widgets |
| 07:23.48 | MrPeepers310 | ok in 3.5 the setting was under looknFeel >behavior then (Mac OS-style) in the menu bar section |
| 07:24.29 | Moult | MrPeepers310: ok try this. rename your .kde directory to something like .this_is_a_backup then relogin to kde and see if the issue is still there |
| 07:24.59 | MrPeepers310 | ok |
| 07:25.10 | MrPeepers310 | ill be back |
| 07:26.20 | Moult | seeya, schwarzenegger |
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| 07:29.45 | saem | I can't wait for the unified menu bar to be a part of regular kde |
| 07:30.11 | holycow | i'm totally hoping the opposite :) |
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| 07:33.00 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
| 07:33.02 | saem | holycow: I don't mean default, just an easy option |
| 07:33.15 | holycow | hehe just buggin ya |
| 07:33.34 | saem | holycow: well played sir, well played. |
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| 07:38.31 | holycow | kmail stores files in .kde and .kde4 folders? |
| 07:38.33 | holycow | weeeeeeird |
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| 07:40.40 | freeedrich| | .kde should be a symlink to .kde4 |
| 07:40.54 | freeedrich| | (if your distribution does it right) |
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| 07:41.16 | holycow | ohhhhhhhhhhh ... no it wasn't done that way at all |
| 07:41.19 | holycow | interesting |
| 07:41.24 | holycow | now its starting to make sense |
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| 07:41.31 | holycow | well |
| 07:41.38 | holycow | what happens if you still run kde3 apps? |
| 07:41.50 | holycow | the .kde file structure hasn't changed at all? |
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| 07:42.56 | MrPeepers310 | Moult: ya it worked. thank you very much for your help |
| 07:43.04 | MrPeepers310 | no i have to work on e.r. diagrams... |
| 07:43.10 | MrPeepers310 | now* |
| 07:43.16 | Moult | MrPeepers310: :D |
| 07:43.36 | Moult | MrPeepers310: you probably lost some of your settings for other things, but you can recover them manually by copying over just the files you need |
| 07:43.44 | Moult | eg: if you use kontact, just copy over the mail files from your .backup folder |
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| 07:43.59 | MrPeepers310 | ya thats what i've been doing. like i lost all my servers for konversation but i'm getting them again |
| 07:44.09 | Moult | MrPeepers310: cheers |
| 07:44.13 | MrPeepers310 | thanks! |
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| 07:46.43 | sepult | can't get my alt+f2 working, is it a bug in kde4 or something i miss ? |
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| 07:47.25 | holycow | sepult: i'm certain this isn't the issue, but i'm using a mac kb and mine doesn't work either |
| 07:51.13 | sepult | holycow: thank you very much, if i enable keyboard layouts and try to configure the keyboard, the layout page tells me something about KdeGlobalKeys not found or something pointing to org.freedesktop.dbus |
| 07:51.40 | thiago_home | sepult: is krunner running? |
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| 07:52.04 | sepult | it is running, the mouse works, it's just the binding of alt+f2 what's missing |
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| 08:02.43 | sepult | or in case of amarok, to be run next session, but no go |
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| 09:18.04 | ikillonlybabys | =P |
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| 09:48.45 | fedora-core | i want a site to dl some widgets.. |
| 09:48.58 | freeedrich| | kde-looks.orog |
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| 09:49.07 | Skrot- | http://kde-look.org/ |
| 09:49.08 | freeedrich| | *org |
| 09:49.18 | freeedrich| | oh yeah :D |
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| 09:50.21 | d-y | i can't find widget caterogy.. :( |
| 09:50.31 | Bryan | Kmixer does not remember the correct master channel. It keeps pushing PCM into the master channel spot. How can I fix it so that it doesn't do this? |
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| 09:50.52 | freeedrich| | d-y: "Plasmoids" |
| 09:51.23 | d-y | oh yes.. thanks |
| 09:51.27 | freeedrich| | Bryan: Doesn't "Select master channel" stuff fix it? |
| 09:51.48 | Bryan | Only until I restart again |
| 09:51.54 | Bryan | then it defaults back to pcm |
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| 09:54.46 | Bryan | Any suggestions :o? (Or places to look for suggestions?) |
| 09:55.04 | Bryan | Already tried google and the linuxquestions.org forums obviously :P |
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| 09:55.33 | brot | Bryan: kde version ? |
| 09:55.44 | Bryan | 4.2 |
| 09:55.53 | brot | -rc1? |
| 09:56.06 | Bryan | I believe so |
| 09:56.11 | brot | ok |
| 09:56.16 | Bryan | whatever is in the kubuntu experimental repo's |
| 09:56.43 | Bryan | not quite sure how to figure out which version I'm running, heh. |
| 09:56.59 | brot | help -> about kde |
| 09:57.02 | brot | in any kde app |
| 09:57.07 | brot | (like kmixer ;) ) |
| 09:57.09 | Bryan | yeah, rc1 |
| 09:57.10 | Bryan | lol |
| 09:58.16 | brot | well, it works here. |
| 09:58.32 | Bryan | hmm |
| 09:58.34 | brot | when i set the front chan to be the master chan,, and restart kmix |
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| 09:58.47 | brot | and i change the volume with the mousewheel |
| 09:59.00 | brot | i can see in alsamixer that front gets changed. |
| 09:59.11 | Bryan | oh yeah, well when I kill pmix, and bring it back up |
| 09:59.14 | Bryan | the master volume is the same |
| 09:59.17 | Bryan | it's just when I restart |
| 09:59.25 | Bryan | Wait no, scratch that. |
| 09:59.49 | Bryan | Yeah, it still defaults back to pcm :( |
| 10:00.11 | Bryan | though, it does say Mixer::setGlobalMaster: Mixer::setGlobalMaster() card= "ALSA::HDA_Intel:1" control= "Master:0" |
| 10:00.24 | Bryan | which, I'm assuming that HDA_Intel:1 is pcm |
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| 10:01.47 | Bryan | actually, scratch that; it's getting it from here: Mixer::open() detected master: "PCM:0" |
| 10:01.47 | Bryan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.55 | Bryan | I get that when I open kmix from a terminal |
| 10:02.12 | Bryan | so, I guess the question then becomes, how do I change alsa's master channel? :O |
| 10:03.21 | brot | well, i get the same message |
| 10:03.31 | brot | but the master channel stays what i set it to |
| 10:03.43 | Bryan | :O I would get a defective kmixer, 'eh? |
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| 10:04.09 | brot | Bryan: i right click onto the kmix icon and then use select master channel |
| 10:04.18 | Bryan | nods |
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| 10:04.58 | brot | Bryan: looks like we need a second opinion ;) |
| 10:05.09 | Bryan | okay |
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| 10:11.59 | LFactor | ok, question, amarok related but guess it's a kdelibs issue, kde 4, mandriva 2009 x86_64, middle pane with plasmoids is empty, i've got no idea which libs have i forgotten :) all with plasma in name installed |
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| 10:12.31 | Bryan | brot, so it's still not remembering, but I uninstalled and re-installed kmix, and now it defaults to 'master' instead of pcm. |
| 10:12.35 | Bryan | So works for me, hehe |
| 10:12.39 | Bryan | Thanks for the help though. |
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| 10:12.46 | brot | no problem Bryan :D |
| 10:12.52 | brot | ... |
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| 10:27.40 | Rasi | oh.. a little konsole bug |
| 10:28.02 | Rasi | if i hide menu bar its visible again on next start, altho the option is unselected |
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| 10:54.43 | nille_ | In kde 4.2rc i saw that there was no kmilo, what are you supposed to use now? (i got and thinkpad with software audio mixer so volume doesn't work) and tpb stops working after awhile so i can't use tpb. |
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| 11:04.03 | brot | nille_: you could try pbbuttonsd |
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| 11:17.18 | Kenjiro | morning |
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| 11:43.14 | remur_030 | Good day, my plasma configuration seems borked for dual screen |
| 11:43.27 | remur_030 | I've noticed when zooming out there is an activity for every screen |
| 11:44.02 | aseigo | that's correct |
| 11:44.05 | remur_030 | but when calling 'xrandr --output VGA --right-of LVDS' sometimes the acitivities seem to overlap etc |
| 11:44.20 | aseigo | that should hopefully work better in 4.2.0 |
| 11:44.29 | aseigo | that's something that kephal now is in charge of keeping sorted out |
| 11:44.50 | remur_030 | aseigo: I am on the opensuse kde 4.2rc's, I guess this is not going to have changed much since rc |
| 11:45.00 | remur_030 | is there a way to correct this? |
| 11:45.02 | aseigo | remur_030: you would be guessing wrong ;) |
| 11:45.04 | remur_030 | manually? |
| 11:45.12 | remur_030 | aseigo: ohhh great =) |
| 11:45.17 | aseigo | a few very signficant bugs were fixed in kephal after the rc |
| 11:45.38 | aseigo | and it went from "largely broken on various common xrandr based set ups" to "working in all of our test environments" |
| 11:45.52 | aseigo | hopefully we don't have any edge cases left, but i do know we have at least far fewer ;) |
| 11:45.55 | remur_030 | well I can easily wait till tomorrow then, thanks for the nice work, very good idea with the multiple activities with one per screen |
| 11:46.28 | aseigo | "the plasma'll come out .. tomorrow ... you can bet your bottom dollar that tomorrooooow .. come what maaaaaaay..." |
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| 11:47.08 | remur_030 | heh =) kde certainly came a long way in the last year |
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| 11:48.18 | aseigo | and we've got a whole new year to work with now! ;) |
| 11:48.25 | remur_030 | well even longer, that's from the users perspective |
| 11:49.05 | Gentle | hopefully when all major distros switch to 4.2, we can recover from all the "why does this stink so much, oh and it crashes all the time" guys :( |
| 11:49.54 | remur_030 | Gentle: the pressure for bleeding edge certainly pushed distros to adopt earlier then they should have |
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| 11:50.33 | remur_030 | especially when you want to have a name of technology leader like fedora often rightfully claims to |
| 11:50.52 | flithm | remur_030: I think it was just a bad move on KDE's part. It wasn't the distros or the users fault. KDE said here's 4.0, when they should have said here's a 4.0 alpha. |
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| 11:52.10 | Gentle | flithm: well well, if you care to read the announcements, 4.0 was never advertised as the ultimate product, there was always a certain undertone of "well, we have to release .0 to reach .3 someday" |
| 11:52.33 | remur_030 | flithm: hrm, yeah no need to go over these mistakes again, I guess most parties now learned from the events |
| 11:53.22 | Gentle | but, right, there is no reason in discussing those matters, either sides took some wrong steps and the whole picture is what brought up those haters and whiners |
| 11:54.21 | flithm | Gentle: yeah, true... sorry I mentioned it. I guess it's probably been on peoples' minds a lot with 4.2 so close. I for one am really excited for 4.2 and I think it will bring a lot of people back. |
| 11:54.37 | flithm | maybe even Linus :) |
| 11:55.10 | aseigo | hm... lunch |
| 11:55.15 | aseigo | i suppose i should go eat. |
| 11:56.14 | remur_030 | bon apetite |
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| 12:03.59 | nille_ | brot thanks i will look into pbbuttonsd |
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| 12:23.19 | nille_ | seems like pbbuttonsd only handles existing events and not nvram events |
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| 12:30.44 | nille_ | My volume keys doesn't send any keycode i need to use 'watch --differences=cumulative -n 0 xxd /dev/nvram' to see the values |
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| 12:34.12 | dystopianray | does dragon player have a playlist in kde 4.2? |
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| 12:37.00 | nille_ | dystopianray not that i can see in 4.2rc |
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| 12:38.55 | dystopianray | lame, what use is dragon player if it can only play one thing |
| 12:39.39 | remur_030 | dystopianray: it's meant to be a very simple media player and basicly a show off bed for phonon |
| 12:39.59 | ahox | Hi, did anyone here got an ati card to work on kde with xinerama & composite enabled? |
| 12:40.05 | dystopianray | even a simple media player should at least have a basic playlist |
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| 12:41.41 | remur_030 | dystopianray: feel free to have that opinion, it is not shared with the dragonplayers developers, or nobody stood up yet to implement one |
| 12:42.04 | nille_ | dystopianray use another player then like kaffeine |
| 12:42.44 | nille_ | but playlist should be in an mediaplayer |
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| 12:43.29 | nille_ | ahox why do you need xinerama? |
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| 12:47.03 | ahox | nille_: unless there is a better way of running a nice 2screen setup |
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| 12:47.35 | nille_ | doesn't xrandr work for that? |
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| 12:48.43 | adexa | #fedora |
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| 12:49.12 | ahox | nille_: mhm good point, how do I enable it? |
| 12:49.29 | ahox | krandr tells me its not enabled |
| 12:49.40 | nille_ | well it depends of the output of xrandr |
| 12:50.09 | ahox | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing... |
| 12:50.31 | nille_ | i use xrandr for tv out and extra monitor on my laptop |
| 12:50.51 | ahox | so can I just load it in the module section? |
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| 12:51.13 | nille_ | hmm i never needed to load it |
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| 12:51.38 | ahox | nille_: Do you have it in the Module section? |
| 12:52.19 | nille_ | no |
| 12:52.27 | nille_ | what driver do you use |
| 12:52.55 | ahox | the fglrx |
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| 12:54.14 | nille_ | you should get an output like this from xranrd http://nille.pastebin.com/m4f92b462 |
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| 13:05.07 | DexterF | got a mail in kmail that makes kmail crash. how do I manually delete it? |
| 13:06.59 | remur_030 | DexterF: let me guess, kmail on kde4.2rc? |
| 13:07.08 | knusperfrosch | DexterF: imap? |
| 13:07.17 | remur_030 | knusperfrosch: ah yes, that as well |
| 13:07.31 | knusperfrosch | well, wait for 4.2 |
| 13:07.40 | DexterF | nope, kmail in kde 3.5.10. pop3. mail was sent from Apple Mail (2.930.3) |
| 13:07.46 | remur_030 | knows about it, and will wait... |
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| 13:08.11 | remur_030 | DexterF: oh, can you produce a stack trace and check kde bugzilla? |
| 13:08.12 | knusperfrosch | DexterF: have a look at .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/ |
| 13:08.19 | knusperfrosch | recomends a backup |
| 13:08.32 | knusperfrosch | +m |
| 13:08.33 | remur_030 | kdepim3 crash bugs will most likely be still fixed... |
| 13:08.44 | DexterF | im reading the offending msg right now with "less". |
| 13:09.15 | DexterF | remur_030: they better will or I switch to gnome. tried kde4(.1 on kub 8.10) yesterday and come to think it sucks. |
| 13:09.31 | DexterF | or debian... guess theyll ship 3 for another 5 years or so... |
| 13:10.44 | remur_030 | DexterF: well I doubt you switching is a heavy threat, better try to help them fix it... |
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| 13:11.38 | remur_030 | seriously, the "they better do or I'll go to gnome" is a wierd standpoint |
| 13:12.01 | DexterF | as long is I think its worth the trouble. these days seems to me kde3 is dying in favor of 4 while 4 isn't nearly anywhere near stable. |
| 13:12.03 | remur_030 | and as much as I've seen from evolution i'll trade the slightly buggy kmail4 for it anytime |
| 13:12.11 | sabayonuser | soy nuevo, como puedo instalar sabayon |
| 13:12.16 | DexterF | remur_030: well, actually I'd probably go to xfce. |
| 13:12.34 | DexterF | ...and use sylpheed |
| 13:12.35 | sabayonuser | solo lo puedo usar en modo livedvd |
| 13:12.45 | DexterF | evolution? no way. tbird, if I have to. |
| 13:12.47 | remur_030 | DexterF: as I said, kdepim3 is activly maintained in regards to crash fixed, please file a bug report for it |
| 13:12.55 | DexterF | ok. |
| 13:12.58 | remur_030 | *fixes |
| 13:13.21 | remur_030 | sabayonuser: por favor vai para #sabayon |
| 13:13.39 | remur_030 | e fala inglais =) |
| 13:13.42 | DexterF | remur_030: will the kde crash dialog provide me with a trace? |
| 13:13.59 | remur_030 | DexterF: yes, but you need debug info packages to get the symbols |
| 13:14.09 | remur_030 | otherwise it is pretty much unreadable/useless |
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| 13:16.23 | DexterF | ... |
| 13:16.49 | DexterF | I seriuosly have no idea what to install |
| 13:17.35 | knusperfrosch | kdepim-dbg or something... |
| 13:17.56 | remur_030 | DexterF: which distrobution are you using? |
| 13:18.03 | DexterF | kubuntu 8.04 |
| 13:18.55 | nille_ | DexterF i use kde4.1rc and it feels stable accept for kickoff sometimes not working so i use clasic menu |
| 13:19.59 | remur_030 | DexterF: there will be some packages like kdepim-debug or -debuginfo or -dbg, these need to be installed |
| 13:20.04 | nille_ | remur_030 i second you on evolution (it's an nightmare) |
| 13:20.16 | remur_030 | please also get them for kdebase and kdelibs |
| 13:20.23 | remur_030 | and if there is for kmail as well |
| 13:21.00 | DexterF | remur_030: kdepim-dbg. heh. I ran apt about "debug", so it didn't turn up anything. ok... |
| 13:21.01 | remur_030 | DexterF: these a pretty big packages =/ |
| 13:21.10 | DexterF | 135MB oO |
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| 13:21.28 | DexterF | <3 his broadband cable |
| 13:22.05 | remur_030 | DexterF: please kdelibs and kdebase debug as well =/ |
| 13:22.19 | remur_030 | you need to be able to read real names on the top of the crashlog |
| 13:22.44 | DexterF | will installing all this have an impact on perfomance? |
| 13:22.56 | remur_030 | no none |
| 13:23.20 | remur_030 | they will get used for stacktrace to assign symbol names to function pointers |
| 13:25.09 | DexterF | hey, 500GB for 42 euro. no problem :D |
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| 13:34.17 | DexterF | remur_030: all installed, can run kmail now and provoke the crash, right? |
| 13:34.24 | DexterF | konsole or launcher? |
| 13:34.27 | remur_030 | yes |
| 13:34.35 | remur_030 | doesn't matted, kcrash should pick it up |
| 13:34.49 | remur_030 | s/matted/matter |
| 13:35.46 | DexterF | ok, got, wanna have alook? |
| 13:36.12 | remur_030 | yes please drop it in a pastebin and I'll tell ya if it looks sufficient |
| 13:36.21 | remur_030 | nothing more I could see in there otherwise =/ |
| 13:36.30 | DexterF | http://pastebin.ca/1318550 |
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| 13:39.05 | remur_030 | DexterF: thanks, doesn't look like a kmail bug from there |
| 13:39.14 | remur_030 | there was an image in the mail right? |
| 13:39.35 | remur_030 | seems it crashed decoding it with libjasper, what every libjasper is |
| 13:40.04 | remur_030 | ah, jpeg 2000 =/ |
| 13:40.09 | DexterF | remur_030: i suspected image handling problems, too. yes, I guess a compony logo or such |
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| 13:40.24 | remur_030 | DexterF: in this case please check ubuntu bugzilla for problems with libjasper |
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| 13:40.31 | DexterF | okee |
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| 13:45.47 | remur_030 | DexterF: ok can't help any further, I'd say it's a problem with libjasper decoding, maybe ask in #kdepim |
| 13:46.29 | remur_030 | uh ok, that channel doesn't seem to belong to kdepim, maybe ask in #kde-devel if that bug could be triggered by kmail |
| 13:47.09 | tsb | Is it possible to set a shortcut to switch to the probram demanding attention in kde4.2? |
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| 13:49.33 | Trevelyan | Hi, What cmd can I use to have kde open a file with the default app? eg kopen somefile.ext |
| 13:49.51 | Jucato | kde-open <file> |
| 13:49.56 | Jucato | (only in KDE 4) |
| 13:50.07 | Trevelyan | and on kde 3.5 ? |
| 13:50.25 | pinotree | kcmclient openURL |
| 13:50.31 | Jucato | too fast :( |
| 13:50.32 | MinceR | kfmclient :> |
| 13:50.44 | pinotree | kfmclient openURL, yes |
| 13:52.12 | estan | hm. what happened to that extending plasmoid for browsing you home folder? it's not going into 4.2? |
| 13:52.32 | annma | folderview? |
| 13:52.35 | estan | or maybe that was a kubuntu thing? (i recently switched from kubuntu packages to SVN trunk). |
| 13:52.58 | annma | estan: in default start, what do you have on your desktop? |
| 13:53.00 | estan | ah no not the folderview. but the one that you can click and it extends. |
| 13:53.16 | Trevelyan | damit still seg faults. It seems I have an svg that KDE does not like, kills konqueror and what ever process kfmclient starts |
| 13:53.20 | estan | the thing i'm talking about is in the panel, not on the desktop. |
| 13:53.48 | Jucato | most probably a 3rd-party plasmoid they included by default, or a kdeplasma-addon plasmoid |
| 13:53.56 | estan | i had it on my KDE 4.1 desktop (kubuntu packages), but it's not there anymore in SVN trunk. |
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| 13:54.09 | estan | maybe it was a plasmoid made by the kubuntu folks? |
| 13:54.15 | marco__ | a question about amarok and kmix |
| 13:54.18 | annma | did you build playground/base/plasma? |
| 13:54.34 | Trevelyan | http://pastebin.com/m206949bc |
| 13:54.45 | marco__ | why if i take down volume on kmix amarok volume remain the same? |
| 13:54.54 | Trevelyan | ^svg death |
| 13:55.16 | annma | marco__: Master channel is not set correctly? |
| 13:55.32 | Trevelyan | but I don't have kde debug package installed |
| 13:55.34 | estan | annma: hm.. no just the kdeplasma-addons i think.. |
| 13:55.43 | marco__ | yeah :) now works. Thank you annma |
| 13:56.16 | annma | estan: try playground then |
| 13:56.16 | estan | i'll check playground/base/plasma to see if it's there.. |
| 13:56.27 | Jejem | Trevelyan: here you are, 006 |
| 13:56.43 | Trevelyan | hmm? |
| 13:57.02 | nille_ | how do i enable the transparent desktop browser thats defaul on the desktop in 4.2? |
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| 14:00.35 | marco__ | is khotnewstuff broken in kde 4.2 ? |
| 14:00.59 | annma | what app? |
| 14:01.22 | marco__ | plasma get new plasmoid |
| 14:01.35 | marco__ | Installation of /tmp/kde-marcoH3HW4a///96067-devicenotifier_automount.0.3.tar.gz failed |
| 14:01.41 | marco__ | Installation of /tmp/kde-marcoH3HW4a/// failed! |
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| 14:02.37 | estan | marco__: i get that too.. |
| 14:02.48 | marco__ | so i think it's a bug |
| 14:02.58 | estan | probably. |
| 14:03.09 | annma | for all KNS downloads? |
| 14:03.11 | nille_ | how do i replicate it so i can try |
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| 14:03.21 | marco__ | i think only for plasma |
| 14:03.22 | annma | and what KDE version? |
| 14:03.24 | marco__ | wait i test |
| 14:03.45 | annma | for plasma applets? plasma can also get themes and wallpapers through KNS |
| 14:03.54 | marco__ | getting new wallapaper works |
| 14:03.58 | marco__ | i use kde 4.2 rc |
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| 14:04.16 | annma | probably only this applet then |
| 14:04.19 | marco__ | new themes works |
| 14:04.27 | annma | so not KNS is broken |
| 14:04.34 | marco__ | maybe |
| 14:04.37 | annma | sure |
| 14:04.46 | annma | KNS is a lib |
| 14:04.50 | marco__ | i can test another applet |
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| 14:04.53 | nille_ | how do i replicate it so i can try? |
| 14:05.39 | marco__ | well maybe there are problem with applets |
| 14:05.53 | marco__ | or maybe we are missing a package to let plasma install them |
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| 14:06.09 | marco__ | i try to run plasma on konsole, so i watch the ouputù |
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| 14:06.35 | estan | i got it with a different applet (kdebase r912512). |
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| 14:06.59 | estan | (the Lastmoid at kde-look.org). |
| 14:06.59 | nille_ | marco__ i just tried and i get the same eroor |
| 14:07.02 | annma | bug in the applet packager |
| 14:07.07 | marco__ | annma: http://pastebin.ca/1318564 |
| 14:07.13 | annma | not in KNS |
| 14:07.20 | marco__ | plasmapkg(26980)/KZip KZip::openArchive: Invalid ZIP file. Unexpected end of file. |
| 14:07.47 | annma | yes, see what I wrote |
| 14:07.47 | marco__ | so archive are corrupted? |
| 14:07.55 | annma | no packager is bugged probably |
| 14:08.08 | marco__ | packager is ? |
| 14:08.10 | marco__ | kzip? |
| 14:08.18 | annma | plasmapkg |
| 14:08.23 | marco__ | ah ah |
| 14:08.33 | marco__ | i'll waut |
| 14:08.34 | annma | <annma> bug in the applet packager |
| 14:08.39 | annma | report to bugzilla |
| 14:08.58 | marco__ | should i report to bugzilla? |
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| 14:10.46 | annma | note that some are installed despite the error |
| 14:10.53 | annma | scripted ones |
| 14:10.59 | marco__ | yeah only scripted |
| 14:11.04 | annma | like Javascript fuzzy clock |
| 14:11.17 | marco__ | also device notifier |
| 14:11.22 | marco__ | and last fm |
| 14:12.00 | marco__ | should i fill a bug to bugzilla? |
| 14:12.14 | annma | yes |
| 14:12.27 | annma | precise your KDE version of course |
| 14:12.30 | marco__ | first i look for other bug |
| 14:12.37 | estan | (the lastmoid wasn't installed despite the error for me..) |
| 14:12.38 | marco__ | i think it's duplicate |
| 14:13.05 | estan | marco__: tell me if you file a bug and i'll comment with my version too. |
| 14:13.13 | marco__ | ok |
| 14:13.25 | marco__ | first help me to search if there's a duplicate |
| 14:13.32 | marco__ | look here http://bugs.kde.org/query.cgi |
| 14:13.34 | annma | thans guys |
| 14:13.40 | annma | +k |
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| 14:14.41 | gorgonzola | hello... is it normal that ark fails to show a zip file contained in antoher zip file? |
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| 14:14.58 | gorgonzola | i mean... is this a limitation of ark, or some misconfiguration on my part? |
| 14:16.15 | estan | marco__: i can't find any duplicate.. |
| 14:16.20 | marco__ | me too |
| 14:16.24 | marco__ | i start filling the bug |
| 14:16.24 | Jucato | gorgonzola: afaik, limitation of ark |
| 14:16.39 | gorgonzola | aw, bummer. |
| 14:16.41 | gorgonzola | thx! |
| 14:16.45 | marco__ | i find a duplicate : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176661 |
| 14:17.24 | marco__ | but our crash seems similar |
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| 14:17.37 | marco__ | but we have only an error and seems not fixed |
| 14:18.17 | marco__ | annma: what do you think? |
| 14:18.29 | estan | hm. probably related.. but i'm not sure. |
| 14:18.31 | marco__ | should we comment that bug and tell our problem |
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| 14:18.36 | marco__ | or open another one? |
| 14:18.56 | marco__ | the problem is similar. We don't get a crash but only an error |
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| 14:19.11 | annma | marco__: do you have a crash after trying to install the file? |
| 14:19.14 | annma | ah |
| 14:19.16 | marco__ | no |
| 14:19.19 | marco__ | only error |
| 14:19.38 | marco__ | maybe it was only partially fixed |
| 14:19.42 | annma | yes |
| 14:19.46 | annma | open a new one |
| 14:19.47 | estan | but hm. in his report, he doesn't mention any KZip failure.. just the error dialogs.. so it could be another problem.. |
| 14:19.49 | marco__ | ok |
| 14:19.52 | annma | probably the crash was fixed |
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| 14:20.47 | estan | i'll comment on it, are you re-opening it marco__ or should i? |
| 14:21.06 | marco__ | i am opening a new one |
| 14:21.11 | marco__ | wait a minute :) |
| 14:21.12 | annma | better issue a new one |
| 14:21.16 | estan | alright. |
| 14:21.21 | estan | holds his horses. |
| 14:21.25 | annma | :) |
| 14:21.57 | estan | how can i get that console output that you got from KZip marco__ ? |
| 14:22.08 | marco__ | kill plasma |
| 14:22.14 | marco__ | and start it from konsole |
| 14:22.25 | marco__ | you'll see plasma output while doing things |
| 14:22.33 | estan | ah, just type "plasma" to start it again? |
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| 14:22.44 | marco__ | first kill it |
| 14:22.46 | marco__ | like: |
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| 14:22.55 | estan | yea. pkill plasma or something. |
| 14:22.57 | marco__ | start konsole and: kquitapp plasma & plasma |
| 14:23.19 | ernesto | las |
| 14:23.38 | marco__ | if plasma doesn't start try to start it another time with plasma |
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| 14:25.21 | estan | alright, thanks. i got the output now. it's the same as yours. |
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| 14:27.46 | marco__ | here is http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181982 |
| 14:27.53 | estan | marco__: thanks. |
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| 14:31.49 | marco__ | now i have to go. Good luck! |
| 14:32.05 | annma | bye marco__ and thanks |
| 14:32.31 | estan | y, bye. |
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| 14:41.10 | navneet_ | ch |
| 14:41.48 | nille_ | How do i enable the destop browser thats default on kde 4.2 (the transperant for desktop) i accedently closed it. |
| 14:42.14 | Jucato | right-click on desktop -> Add Widgets -> Folder View? |
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| 14:43.28 | estan | anyone have problem with the system monitor applet not remembering which monitors were enabled across restarts? for me it always opens with none of them enabled. |
| 14:43.49 | nille_ | Jucato thanks :) |
| 14:43.51 | estan | (and it doesn't remember other settings either) |
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| 14:49.23 | mfdavid | hi all. Im looking for a QT desktop interface, but KDE is just too much for my needs. I would like to try something more simple and less resource hungry. Is there any alternative desktops around QT? |
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| 14:50.00 | annma | less resource hungry? |
| 14:50.50 | annma | do you need only a WM then? |
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| 14:51.27 | mfdavid | well, i would like something with the basics softwares around QT is possible, but no konqueror and stuff like that |
| 14:51.51 | annma | you don't need a desktop to get Qt software |
| 14:52.00 | annma | I mean a Qt desktop |
| 14:52.13 | annma | to get Qt progs working you only need Qt installed |
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| 14:52.33 | annma | define "basic software" |
| 14:52.50 | SDFE | What is the name of the exe/archive of the kde4windows package? |
| 14:53.02 | SDFE | downlaoded it it a few days ago but forgot what its called |
| 14:53.10 | luke-jr | annma: I guess he wants a WM + Arora |
| 14:53.21 | mfdavid | annma: sure. But running QT softwares on a GTK envieroment is not a good idea. I would like something like LXDE, but around QT no GTK. |
| 14:53.39 | Half-Left | You mean Qt :p |
| 14:53.42 | luke-jr | the T in Qt is lowercase |
| 14:53.46 | annma | Qt |
| 14:53.50 | mfdavid | right.. hehe |
| 14:53.50 | luke-jr | uppercase QT is either QuickTime or QuikTrip |
| 14:53.58 | annma | luke-jr: yes I asked him if he wanted a WM |
| 14:54.10 | luke-jr | annma: you assume he knows the term for what he wants |
| 14:54.22 | annma | anyway as we are in #kde we advertize KDE |
| 14:54.32 | annma | you should ask in a linux channel |
| 14:54.33 | luke-jr | mfdavid: what about KDE is "too much"? |
| 14:54.46 | luke-jr | mfdavid: KDE is quite light, and you need not install more than kdebase |
| 14:55.00 | SDFE | ah never mind i'll just redownload it |
| 14:55.11 | SDFE | only want amarok :( |
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| 14:55.29 | SDFE | but i can't find the package on any archive servers |
| 14:56.06 | mfdavid | luke-jr: Well.. maybe I will try that, just install the basic stuff of kde. The think is I dont like konqueror and all the "fancy" things that just break my system all the time (sigfault every single that when I tried to use kde 4 with kubuntu) |
| 14:56.19 | mfdavid | *think = thing |
| 14:56.33 | annma | hmmm |
| 14:56.36 | Half-Left | I friggin love how you can drop tex onto the desktop and it shows it in notes plasmoid :) |
| 14:57.21 | Half-Left | And pictures go into picture frame, Now that is innvoative :p |
| 14:57.48 | nille_ | mfdavid doesn't kubuntu use an older kde4 and not 4.2rc1 |
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| 14:58.14 | luke-jr | mfdavid: just disable the fancy effects |
| 14:58.31 | luke-jr | nille_: thank God for that |
| 14:58.58 | mfdavid | luke-jr: it would break even if it clicked to open a thing under the help... (cant remeber exactly where now... but it would sigfault everytime I clicked there). |
| 14:59.21 | mfdavid | nille_: a release candidate version is more stable than an "official" version? |
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| 15:00.03 | nille_ | for 4.2 i would say yes |
| 15:00.14 | mfdavid | weird |
| 15:00.39 | Half-Left | Whats Official version? |
| 15:00.43 | luke-jr | mfdavid: disable it |
| 15:00.48 | luke-jr | System Settings->Desktop IIRC |
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| 15:01.39 | mfdavid | Half-Left: a version that was alpha one time, a beta, a RC an then a "final" version released to the final users. |
| 15:04.29 | Half-Left | mfdavid: I know that, wondered why you were saying TC is stable than official because there is no official 4.2 yet |
| 15:04.35 | Half-Left | RC* |
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| 15:07.31 | mfdavid | as far as i know, the version that comes with ubuntu is 4.1.x. I guess it should be more stable than the 4.2 version. |
| 15:07.33 | mschnee | Kubuntu, I believe, installs to 4.1.2 by default. |
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| 15:08.08 | luke-jr | nille_: for 4.2, the RC is insane unstable |
| 15:08.09 | mschnee | But 4.1.85+ were much, much more stable than 4.1.2. |
| 15:08.18 | luke-jr | mschnee: no way |
| 15:08.30 | mschnee | Just from my own experience in testing |
| 15:08.37 | mschnee | 4.1.2 hard locks my work system |
| 15:09.00 | luke-jr | 4.1.2 is stable on both of my systems once I disable GLX |
| 15:09.02 | mschnee | and on my home system, Kwin performance is abysmal |
| 15:09.15 | mschnee | Again, this is my own experience. |
| 15:09.28 | luke-jr | 4.2 RC prompted me to report 10-15 bugs immediately after logging in |
| 15:09.37 | mschnee | Ditto ;) |
| 15:09.53 | luke-jr | and still not a single major bug in 4.1 has been touched afaik |
| 15:09.53 | mschnee | There's still a lot of stuff I'm not thrilled with, but it's better than 4.0 |
| 15:10.03 | mfdavid | luke-jr: haha |
| 15:10.08 | luke-jr | such as KOrganizer being totally AWOK |
| 15:10.55 | nille_ | luke-jr for me 4.1.2 didn't work as good as 4.2rc1 |
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| 15:11.36 | luke-jr | I wish I had time to fix KDEPIM |
| 15:11.54 | tsb | One of my konq windows has frozen. If I do a killall konqueror in kde4.2, will the sessions be restored next time I start? |
| 15:11.57 | luke-jr | guess I'll find out how 4.2 RC2 works in a few minutes |
| 15:12.04 | Half-Left | 4.2 should be working much better for everyone unless you have a config issue from a upgrade or something like that |
| 15:12.08 | luke-jr | tsb: I suggest using KWin to kill it |
| 15:12.29 | luke-jr | Half-Left: Kontact is a CPU hog |
| 15:12.39 | tsb | luke-jr, yay it worked |
| 15:12.40 | Half-Left | Speak for yourself |
| 15:12.43 | luke-jr | Half-Left: Konq crashes if webpages contain some javascript syntax error |
| 15:13.10 | luke-jr | but that was just RC1 |
| 15:13.15 | luke-jr | maybe RC2 is better |
| 15:13.15 | tsb | luke-jr, hum, I'm on kde 4.2 (which is the first kde4 i really like), and kontact doesn't seem like a cpu hog to me |
| 15:13.22 | tsb | luke-jr, actually it seems to run just fine |
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| 15:13.33 | luke-jr | tsb: I have a theory that the CPU hogginess is only under certain conditions |
| 15:14.09 | luke-jr | in particular, it seems to spend most of its time saving my open composer windows |
| 15:14.14 | luke-jr | which I like to leave open |
| 15:14.34 | luke-jr | possibly also related is that it is using an awful lot of RAM, which I have little to spare |
| 15:14.36 | luke-jr | OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.27-gentoo-r7/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.764 MHz) - Processes: 215 - Uptime: 14d 18h 42m - Users: 37 - Load Average: 1.71 - Memory Usage: 5175MB/2011MB (257%) |
| 15:14.39 | Half-Left | Bare in mind that some distros the packages are marked as Unstable or testing so they will have extra bugs from there beta/alpha stage |
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| 15:16.12 | tsb | When I started using kde4 now I started from scratch, but is it okay to copy ~/.kde/share/config* so that for instance KDE-PIM preserves settings like accounts, signatures, ... |
| 15:16.18 | jthomas | How can I have Konsole use a .ttf monospaced font of my choosing? WhenI try to change its font I only get a very limited selection. |
| 15:17.00 | pinotree | tsb: theorically you could even cp -a .kde .kde4 |
| 15:17.29 | tsb | pinotree, really? I think I read somehwhere that it was DANGEROUS. :) |
| 15:17.53 | pinotree | who spread such bullshit |
| 15:18.21 | tsb | well, google spread it to me, I don't remember where reading it, but I wonder if it was even on planetkde! |
| 15:18.23 | jthomas | i've also read that |
| 15:18.33 | luke-jr | speaking of which, what happened to the Console font? :/ |
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| 15:18.58 | pinotree | luke-jr: we don't handle fonts |
| 15:19.08 | jthomas | in KDE4? or are you asking about my question from a moment ago, luke-jr ? |
| 15:19.11 | luke-jr | pinotree: â¦anymore? |
| 15:19.19 | pinotree | we never did |
| 15:19.26 | pinotree | what is your problem? |
| 15:19.34 | luke-jr | pinotree: Konsole used to have a menu option "Install Console font" or such |
| 15:19.36 | luke-jr | that installed a font |
| 15:19.39 | luke-jr | named Console |
| 15:19.50 | luke-jr | back in 3.5 |
| 15:20.02 | pinotree | no such thing |
| 15:20.10 | luke-jr | sigh |
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| 15:20.22 | jthomas | Settings > Font > Install Bitmaps > console8x16.pcf.gz |
| 15:20.29 | luke-jr | jthomas: that's it! |
| 15:21.07 | funkyou | Hi! can someone reproduce this? |
| 15:21.12 | jthomas | I am not on a KDE4 setup right now to look into that tho, but that is where it is on KDE3 (3.5.9 on Debian Testing) |
| 15:21.24 | pinotree | it says it will install them via fonts:/Personal, so you can even open that location in konqueror and drag the fonts there |
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| 15:21.49 | pinotree | (or just open the fonts installer in kcontrol/systemsettings) |
| 15:21.51 | luke-jr | pinotree: yes, but where are the fonts now? |
| 15:21.52 | jthomas | I've just done that with another monospaced font but I cannot get Konsole to see it |
| 15:21.56 | luke-jr | are they still maintained? |
| 15:22.22 | funkyou | ok, again :) can someone reproduce this on 4.2: have a link to systemsettings on the panel, then start it, then start it another time from this link... second start gives out an error about KDEInit not able to start systemsettings |
| 15:22.35 | Half-Left | jthomas: In appearance |
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| 15:22.42 | funkyou | same happens to konsole, when started from an icon in the panel... |
| 15:22.48 | jthomas | likely yes, not a true monospaced font |
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| 15:22.56 | pinotree | funkyou: the error should not be there, but systemsettings cannot be started more than once per time |
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| 15:23.07 | remur_030 | funkyou: I'll check it |
| 15:23.25 | pinotree | luke-jr: they are no more shipped with konsole (thus they were unmaintained, i suppose) |
| 15:23.40 | luke-jr | â¹ |
| 15:24.04 | funkyou | pinotree: i also have this with konsole, but on the first start (doesnt happen always but quite often), i solved this by setting X-DBUS-StartupType to "None" in the desktop file |
| 15:24.21 | remur_030 | funkyou: can't reproduce, will refuse to run twice (kde4.2rc) |
| 15:25.33 | Savago | Hello there. I have one question: I have completed compiling KDE+kdepim from source and when I start 'kontact', it pops up a dialog with this error message: "Could not create client-side bridge, check if Akonadi KResource bridge is installed |
| 15:25.34 | Savago | " |
| 15:25.56 | Savago | Any idea of what I'm missing to install? |
| 15:26.10 | remur_030 | funkyou: btw, I am not on arch anymore but you guys are doing a good job =) |
| 15:26.31 | funkyou | thanks remur_030 :) |
| 15:26.47 | funkyou | ok, this is the exact thing i am getting here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/184337 |
| 15:26.58 | luke-jr | funkyou: why not report it to KDE? |
| 15:27.17 | pinotree | Savago: how did you install kde? |
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| 15:27.58 | funkyou | lucke-jr: i am currently in the "research and ask people stage", reporting bugs comes after doing that :) |
| 15:28.15 | Savago | pinotree, I started it from GDM. I replaced the 'startkde' on the config file. |
| 15:28.43 | remur_030 | funkyou: the 'X-DBUS-StartupType=None' doesn't look like a valid fix... |
| 15:29.10 | funkyou | remur_030: yes, it is just a workaround, i'll report a bug now |
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| 15:33.45 | nicooooo | Hi there, do you know if the bindings are supposed to work with python 2.4? |
| 15:33.51 | Savago | pinotree, is there a better way to ensure that the KDE will be started properly? |
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| 15:34.05 | pinotree | Savago: i'm asking you how you installed it |
| 15:34.13 | t4c | luke-jr: you're online? |
| 15:34.29 | Savago | pinotree, just 'sudo make install'. |
| 15:34.43 | pinotree | so self-compiled? |
| 15:34.55 | luke-jr | t4c: ? |
| 15:35.10 | t4c | luke-jr: may I query you? |
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| 15:35.47 | Savago | pinotree, exactly. I checked out the trunk and build the thing step-by-step: kdesupport --> kdelibs --> kdepimlibs --> kdebase --> kdepim --> kde |
| 15:35.48 | Savago | sdk |
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| 15:36.12 | pinotree | sounds ok |
| 15:36.18 | luke-jr | t4c: why? |
| 15:36.34 | t4c | luke-jr: heard 'bout some leak you released |
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| 15:36.51 | luke-jr | I didn't release anything |
| 15:36.54 | luke-jr | I'm just building it |
| 15:36.57 | luke-jr | and calling it RC2 |
| 15:37.20 | t4c | you just spread it? |
| 15:37.27 | luke-jr | I just use it. |
| 15:37.32 | t4c | mmh. |
| 15:38.04 | pinotree | s/use/complain about/ |
| 15:39.01 | nille_ | :p |
| 15:39.06 | Savago | pinotree, I set the startup following this instructions: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Solitary_KDE_4_session |
| 15:39.25 | pinotree | Savago: not toally sure about kdepim stuff, you might want to ask in #kontact |
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| 15:39.47 | Savago | pinotree, ok. I will try it. Thanks anyway. :-) |
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| 15:44.37 | pusling | kde4.1 - is it expected that kopete can't update jabber images (avatars?) |
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| 15:47.43 | gontran | hi there |
| 15:48.35 | gontran | I need some help with kmail which is very slow since I did a research in all the folders |
| 15:48.35 | tuxick | http://rawstory.com/news/2008/BBC_documentary_takes_on_Obamas_plans_0125.html |
| 15:48.50 | tuxick | this site totally blew up my konqueror-4.1.4 on "download flash plugin" dialog |
| 15:48.54 | tuxick | i can't even kill it |
| 15:49.24 | gontran | now, each time I do something (delete or move mails), the UI is very slow |
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| 15:49.25 | luke-jr | BTW, wtf is with this crap that won't let me Ctrl-F to find in Konq? :/ |
| 15:50.06 | tuxick | luke-jr: i've been having the same problem on -crazy |
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| 15:50.43 | luke-jr | -crazy does not exist |
| 15:50.53 | tuxick | sorry, that was a gentooism :) |
| 15:51.01 | luke-jr | it still doesn't exist |
| 15:51.06 | tuxick | not anymore! |
| 15:51.33 | tuxick | i haven't seen it fail on 4.1.96 though |
| 15:51.40 | tuxick | i think |
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| 15:53.27 | gontran | plz, does anyone have the same pb with kmail ? I use it at work and cannot do my work correctly anymore :/ ... |
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| 16:13.43 | phpmysql | How do I change the different time zones that the clock displays once your mouse hovers over it? |
| 16:16.01 | Half-Left | just relized you can add other timezones to clock widget |
| 16:16.59 | annma | phpmysql: you add them with Right CLick and configure |
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| 16:17.47 | annma | Digital CLock Settings more exactly |
| 16:18.08 | annma | add timezones by clicking on them in the list |
| 16:18.45 | Half-Left | annma: BTW, plasma it not saving my widget settings, some widgets reopen on login :/ |
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| 16:20.45 | annma | trunk? what widget settings? Half-Left |
| 16:20.52 | annma | I got cut |
| 16:21.14 | phpmysql | annma: Got it thanks, can you help me with which ones are the best ones to select for getting time around united states? |
| 16:21.29 | Half-Left | annma: Rc1, pastebin widget and another Folder View always open |
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| 16:23.06 | annma | Half-Left: what happens with pastebin for example? |
| 16:23.15 | annma | what setting is not saved? |
| 16:23.46 | Half-Left | It just opens up and login when I close it before login out |
| 16:24.14 | phpmysql | annma: GOt it |
| 16:24.35 | annma | phpmysql: :) |
| 16:25.03 | annma | Half-Left: try removing it and then issue kquitapp plasma and plasma |
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| 16:25.35 | Half-Left | annma: I have two Folder Views, one digital clock and pastebin widget, if close all the them they open up on login all again |
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| 16:25.52 | annma | I am not talking about login |
| 16:26.06 | annma | I am asking you to test with kquitapp plasma |
| 16:26.11 | Half-Left | ok |
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| 16:26.34 | annma | remove what you don't want and do kquitapp plasma then relog into plasma |
| 16:26.40 | annma | are the widgets back? |
| 16:26.49 | Half-Left | Yep |
| 16:27.00 | Half-Left | All of them |
| 16:27.25 | annma | your plasma config files are not writen then |
| 16:27.30 | annma | add a widget |
| 16:27.40 | annma | redo kquitapp plasma & plasma |
| 16:27.49 | annma | is the added widget still there? |
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| 16:28.22 | Half-Left | Yep |
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| 16:28.56 | Half-Left | I/m guessing that I can't get rid of that now |
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| 16:29.04 | annma | so your config file is not enabled |
| 16:29.12 | annma | i mean not writable |
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| 16:29.30 | Half-Left | hmm, I'll check |
| 16:29.39 | annma | works well here |
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| 16:30.13 | Half-Left | They are both writable |
| 16:30.29 | Half-Left | plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc |
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| 16:30.48 | annma | but not written |
| 16:31.05 | annma | save plasma-appletsrc |
| 16:31.09 | annma | to .bak |
| 16:31.18 | Half-Left | I did this and the problem started |
| 16:31.24 | annma | lol |
| 16:31.29 | Half-Left | it's already a fresh plasmarc |
| 16:31.29 | annma | how come? |
| 16:31.39 | annma | so you got a new desktop? |
| 16:31.42 | Half-Left | Because my panel icons where screwed |
| 16:31.55 | annma | OK so rm this plasma-appletsrc file |
| 16:31.57 | Half-Left | It just loaded up blank icons on the panel |
| 16:32.04 | annma | kquitapp plasma then rm it |
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| 16:33.26 | Half-Left | No difference |
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| 16:34.33 | Half-Left | Something is screwed |
| 16:35.29 | annma | what is KDEHOME? |
| 16:35.50 | Half-Left | annma: If I detete plasmarc all the icons in the panel are blank icon files |
| 16:36.55 | annma | your install is pretty messed |
| 16:37.09 | Half-Left | Strange |
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| 16:40.55 | Half-Left | annma: plasmarc says used=,digital-clock,folderview,tasks,systemtray,launcher |
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| 16:41.54 | Half-Left | annma: If I delete them out of there they still appear :p |
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| 16:45.35 | annma | if you delete them, is the file changed? |
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| 16:57.12 | Half-Left | Looks like KDE4.x could take all the pressure of all them compiles and blew my config :p |
| 16:57.19 | Half-Left | couldn't* |
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| 17:00.36 | annma | Half-Left: remove an applet, wait for a few minutes and look it the plasma-appletsrc file is changed |
| 17:00.44 | tsb | "nspluginviewer" hogs my cpu. Is it easy to disable flash (I'm assuming that is the reason behind it) in konq? Or is there something else you can do to make it behave better |
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| 17:00.56 | Half-Left | ok |
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| 17:02.26 | Half-Left | annma: It has references to digital clock in there |
| 17:02.51 | Half-Left | Still |
| 17:03.08 | annma | you removed it? |
| 17:03.16 | Half-Left | From the desktop yes |
| 17:03.43 | Half-Left | plugin=digital-clock |
| 17:03.44 | annma | but you still have it in panel? |
| 17:04.00 | Half-Left | Nope |
| 17:04.09 | annma | ok |
| 17:04.30 | annma | so if the plasma-appletsrc file is unchanged then it's not written properly |
| 17:04.56 | Half-Left | Yer, seems so, it's writting whats being added but not whats being removed |
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| 17:17.00 | cnu | http://kde.org/announcements/announce_4.2-beta2/panel.png < how can i have 2 rows like that, but not insanely big buttons? (it became two rows when i made it much higher) |
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| 17:18.44 | Half-Left | cnu: Right click on the task manager from panel settings |
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| 17:19.45 | nille_ | change the hight |
| 17:19.49 | eNTi | hi. could someone please help me remove the "run command" widget through sessions? i can remove it, but it will be restored after i relaunch kde. also, it's right click menu is "broken". |
| 17:20.55 | eNTi | next to the fact that i can't write anything in it as well... so i can safely say it needs an overhaul ;) |
| 17:21.04 | eNTi | ah yes. sorry. kde 4.1.3 |
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| 17:21.24 | Half-Left | Setting maximum rows 2 will do that |
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| 17:23.18 | darrob | hi, (how) can i pass a variable to an application using a kde menu item? specifically: VARIABLE="" firefox. this works from a bash but not if i put that into the command field in the menu editor. surely i'm making some mistake. (using Kubuntu 8.10, KDE 4.1.3) |
| 17:23.21 | Crypto1971 | hi @ll |
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| 17:24.29 | cnu | Half-Left, ah, got it now. thank you :> |
| 17:24.51 | Crypto1971 | i'm having some trouble with konqueror 3.5.9 (kde 3.5.10) - there are some websites that are displayed only NEARLY correct. konqueror sometimes does not display parts of pages or does not react when pressing a button on that page. what can i do? example: ebay.de |
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| 17:33.21 | Rasi | anyone knows how i can add colors for rows (e.g. in dropdown menus) to a color scheme? |
| 17:33.30 | Rasi | if it isnt present qt-only apps wont play nicely |
| 17:34.04 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: you may send then an e-mail and say their web desinger suck |
| 17:34.30 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: thing is, iceweasel displays that page correctly... |
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| 17:34.56 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: denoting anything as "it sucks" is not helpful in most cases, i guess |
| 17:34.58 | Crypto1971 | ;-)) |
| 17:35.03 | mfdavid | ;) |
| 17:35.58 | remur_030 | tsb: remove the plugin for it by removing the directory for the list to search for plugins? ugly, but as flash is somehow ugly too =) |
| 17:36.23 | remur_030 | whoops, haven't seen the scroll bar on the right not beeing down... |
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| 17:36.28 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: iceweasel uses another render engine. Konqueror uses the webkit engine. Sometimes webkit wont be able to display things correctly, sometimes firefox wont either. I guess there is not much to do. But try the konqueror channel |
| 17:36.50 | remur_030 | mfdavid: konqueror does not use webkit (yet) |
| 17:36.57 | tsb | remur_030, yes that is what I did. Thank you. |
| 17:36.59 | remur_030 | and it's not decided yet if it will |
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| 17:37.32 | tsb | wonders what would be left of flash if it didn't play videos on the web |
| 17:37.51 | remur_030 | simple but addicting games |
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| 17:38.14 | tsb | well, yes. but nothing that has to do with webpages :) |
| 17:38.18 | mfdavid | remur_030: right. KHTML. Anyway, its a diffent engine, that was what i was trying to say. but ur way. |
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| 17:38.44 | mfdavid | *way = right |
| 17:38.52 | mfdavid | is sleepy |
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| 17:39.17 | remur_030 | mfdavid: I just guessed the konqueror developers wouldn't want something like that to spread, it's still an issue I think |
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| 17:39.35 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: so it comes down to keeping iceweasel to be able to browse "broken" websites |
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| 17:40.26 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: i wanted to get rid of iceweasel because i like konqueror much better. but if that's the case - different engines for the browsers - then i have to keep iceweasel. |
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| 17:40.40 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: yes, nothing you can actually do about it otherwise |
| 17:40.42 | The_Rebel | how do i get the cube effect working in KDE 4.2RC1? |
| 17:41.33 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: yeah... that sucks. hehe we should go back and use gopher. It rocks.. hehe |
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| 17:42.08 | Half-Left | The_Rebel: Enable it in Desktop Effects>All effects |
| 17:43.26 | The_Rebel | cool thanks |
| 17:43.27 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: i have actually found that elinks displays some pages correctly - well, apart from the graphics, that is. |
| 17:43.38 | Crypto1971 | *LOL* that is soo sucking. |
| 17:44.50 | Crypto1971 | how about konqueror on kde 4.X - did the engine of it improve? |
| 17:45.03 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: yes |
| 17:45.51 | Half-Left | Konqueror has DOM caching now which will speed things up |
| 17:45.54 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: if that's true... then i hope we'll see that improvement in konqueror 3.5.9 soon |
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| 17:46.17 | Half-Left | You wont see it in KDE3,x |
| 17:46.19 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: no, there will be no big backporting |
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| 17:47.21 | Crypto1971 | is it possible to have konqueror 4.X on a kde 3.5.10 system if i update only konqueror and add some required libs but leave the rest untouched otherwise? |
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| 17:47.42 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: im not sure what is the policy of the konqueror developers, but if a page fails to load because the page is mal formated, you may never see an update for that. If the page is mal formated, it should not be rendered right (even if other engines do). |
| 17:48.24 | mfdavid | thinking about starting a gopher server |
| 17:48.40 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: yes you can do this without problems |
| 17:49.02 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: i tried to set the mode of konqueror to internet explorer, mozilla, firefox etc. but this did not help. |
| 17:49.27 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: ah, good to know... so it's like this could well fix my rendering problems? |
| 17:49.47 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: im not sure, but I think it only changes the header stuff that it sends to the server, it does not change the way its rendered in any way. |
| 17:50.05 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: so the server thinks you are a IE user, nothing else. |
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| 17:50.32 | remur_030 | mfdavid: well sometimes the servers display different pages, so telling the server to use firefox is not generally a bad idea |
| 17:50.48 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: well why won't you just use firefox for these cases? |
| 17:51.12 | Crypto1971 | mfdavid: i thought that changing these settings would force the server that actually hosts the page to be displayed to send additional html-code / differently written code for that browser so it can be displayed. |
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| 17:52.09 | mfdavid | Crypto1971: only if the web designer implements this function. And in most cases, they dont. |
| 17:52.37 | mfdavid | gotta go. Cya! |
| 17:53.07 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: i wanted to get rid of FF because i like how konqueror is fitting itself into kde and how it works and how it looks like. |
| 17:53.51 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: and i think that konqueror is easier to configure because of the menu entries to configure it all. i dislike the "about:" thing like menu settings of FF |
| 17:54.21 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: well konqueror4 certainly does not fit nicely into kde3... |
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| 17:56.10 | Half-Left | remur_030: If you use cleanlooks or plastique it should |
| 17:56.32 | remur_030 | Half-Left: he is not talking about the theme.... |
| 17:56.45 | prakhar | hello guys. |
| 17:56.47 | linuksamiko | Hej everyone, does anybody know what's wrong with the jabberserver kdetalk.net? couldn't connect to it for several days. First I thought it was my client but now after I tested different ones it seams to me that kdetalk must have a problem |
| 17:57.19 | prakhar | the "Paste" is kind of disabled in my KDE 4.1.4 environment |
| 17:57.29 | prakhar | I mean Paste in Dolphin |
| 17:57.43 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: yes, i think i'm waiting a bit until my distro switches to kde 4.X alltogether |
| 17:58.06 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: which one would that be? |
| 17:58.13 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: sidux |
| 17:58.29 | prakhar | how do I go about correcting that? |
| 17:58.47 | remur_030 | Crypto1971: ok, well if there is a kde4.2 repository coming to debian you can certainly try it out, 4.2 is looking very good |
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| 18:00.12 | Crypto1971 | remur_030: i've read a lot about how different kde 3.5.x and 4.x are and that there still are some things to be converted to 4.x (can't remember what was missing). so sidux decided not yet to go for 4.X and wait until it's all in "sid" |
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| 18:01.00 | drantin | so sidux is being sane? unlike most every other distro out there? |
| 18:01.17 | remur_030 | drantin: that would be debian beeing sane... |
| 18:01.30 | next_ghost | hi, when I print a file from kpdf, what program converts it to postscript in KDE 3.5.9? |
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| 18:02.15 | Crypto1971 | drantin: i think they don't mind using kde 4.x if one really wants it, but at the moment it is not included in their live-cds and dvds |
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| 18:03.43 | Half-Left | Your talking debian here, it's always about 2 years behind everyone else but anywway |
| 18:04.41 | Crypto1971 | Half-Left: sidux is debian-sid, they offer the latest packages available, even experimental. it's one of the more up-to-date distros. i consider it to be better than kubuntu even. |
| 18:04.47 | Crypto1971 | but that is another thing ;-) |
| 18:05.33 | Half-Left | Yer well, you said kubuntu, no comment :p |
| 18:06.31 | Crypto1971 | everyone should use what they like, shouldn't they... |
| 18:06.51 | Half-Left | indeed |
| 18:07.24 | Half-Left | But it doesn't stop them complaining |
| 18:08.10 | Half-Left | Sometimes if your lucky it does :) |
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| 18:09.08 | Crypto1971 | sidux is going to make the change to kde 4.x in the next or one of the next sidux versions. when they feel it's offering everything kde 3.5.10 already does and there are no more issues with that. |
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| 18:09.51 | MoDaX | Crypto1971: the only block for kde 4 is lenny release |
| 18:09.58 | MoDaX | blocker* |
| 18:10.12 | Half-Left | Well it's flawed to assume KDE4 is ready when it offers everythign 3.5.10 has |
| 18:10.55 | Crypto1971 | Half-Left: i'm not into their decisions. i think it was something with lenny or - well, i myself can only wait and see. |
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| 18:14.02 | Crypto1971 | ok, time for dinner now... i'm starving |
| 18:14.14 | Crypto1971 | thanks for your help |
| 18:14.27 | Crypto1971 | waves a kind good-bye. |
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| 18:25.28 | MoDaX | Half-Left: your "understanding" of debian is not very accurate. if you had wanted to have kde4 on debian, you could have had it since 3.9.x |
| 18:26.02 | Half-Left | MoDaX: Didn't say you couldn't have it |
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| 18:27.30 | MoDaX | Half-Left: so you see lack of releases as the main problem? |
| 18:28.14 | Half-Left | MoDaX: I just think it takes them way to long to stablize thats all, it's more of a passing joke than anything :) |
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| 18:32.05 | MoDaX | Half-Left: releases in debian for desktop world are not really important, actually they hurt experience like having to be stuck with kde 3.5 due to freeze (which took too long) |
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| 18:32.50 | MoDaX | stabilizing takes long time because there 10k packages and QA requirements are high |
| 18:33.29 | Half-Left | MoDaX: But what do they fix that takes so long? |
| 18:34.59 | MoDaX | Half-Left: release critical bugs. when old are fixed, new appear and some are extremely complex to fix |
| 18:35.36 | remur_030 | MoDaX: I heard it's pretty solid and was postponed to sort out the binary firmware stuff and similar politics |
| 18:36.03 | MoDaX | what is more, long freezes demotivate... |
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| 18:36.43 | MoDaX | remur_030: that has already been decided a month+ ago |
| 18:36.58 | Half-Left | MoDaX: I guess it depends on your users and who your trying to capture with your distro |
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| 18:39.21 | MoDaX | Half-Left: stable for servers and great "moving target" testing/unstable distro. very bleeding edge stuff from experimental.. |
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| 18:43.54 | Breton | ÐоÑм |
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| 18:44.46 | The_Rebel | how come KDE 4 doesn't start on my second display? |
| 18:44.53 | The_Rebel | seperate X sessions. |
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| 18:46.30 | rindolf | Hi all! When using kdebase4-workspace-4.1.96-14mdv2009.1 on Mandriva Cooker, the KDE "Start button" causes Plasma to crash. Tried on a brand new Unix user too. |
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| 18:48.27 | Half-Left | rindolf: Try readding it? |
| 18:48.41 | Half-Left | Re-adding* |
| 18:49.17 | rindolf | Half-Left: re-adding? |
| 18:49.31 | Half-Left | Remoev it and re-adding from Add Widgets |
| 18:49.39 | rindolf | Half-Left: ah. |
| 18:49.46 | rindolf | Half-Left: let me see. |
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| 18:52.01 | rindolf | Half-Left: no, it still doesn't work. |
| 18:52.22 | rindolf | Half-Left: in any case, I'm more interested in getting this bug fixed. |
| 18:52.29 | rindolf | Half-Left: does it happen to you? |
| 18:52.48 | Half-Left | nope |
| 18:52.50 | pinotree | rindolf: can you paste the backtrace of the crash dialog in a pastebin? |
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| 18:53.08 | rindolf | pinotree: yes, wait a second. |
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| 18:53.41 | annma | the mandriva crash is due to a mandriva applet afaik |
| 18:53.51 | annma | upstream bug |
| 18:53.56 | annma | bets 100⬠|
| 18:54.18 | Half-Left | waits for the outcome |
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| 18:54.39 | annma | knows the bt by heart |
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| 18:55.10 | annma | rindolf: so the bt? |
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| 18:56.48 | The_Rebel | so how do i get sound working on my other sound card |
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| 18:56.56 | The_Rebel | i have it set to prefer (top of the list) |
| 18:57.19 | The_Rebel | yet amarok still plays out of the default alsa card |
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| 18:57.50 | rindolf | pinotree: "Unable to create a valid backtrace." |
| 18:58.07 | annma | why so? |
| 18:58.22 | annma | anyway rindolf ask Mandriva folks |
| 18:58.29 | rindolf | annma: OK. |
| 18:58.41 | Half-Left | What a surprise, no debugging packages |
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| 18:58.59 | annma | it's some applet they put in, if you had a bt I could confirm 100% but I triaged several reports about it |
| 18:59.21 | rindolf | annma: seems to be this one - https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47274 |
| 18:59.27 | annma | without bt of course one cannot prove it |
| 19:02.02 | Half-Left | wonders why they ask users to install debuggin packages on a already testing distro |
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| 19:04.48 | rindolf | Half-Left: for once the debugging packages are a huge download and they also bloat gdb's memory usage considerably. |
| 19:04.52 | annma | usually cooker users have debug packages |
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| 19:05.34 | Half-Left | rindolf: Well thats the idea of testing them because without them crashes are useless |
| 19:06.19 | annma | if someone uses cooker then he can download rindolf |
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| 19:06.26 | annma | they don't bloat |
| 19:06.29 | annma | come on |
| 19:06.52 | Half-Left | bloat=more added HD space |
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| 19:07.59 | rindolf | annma: I recall gdb occupying something like 30% of my 2.5 GB with debugging packages. |
| 19:08.18 | Half-Left | And you should be running debug package with a testing distro anyway otherwise it's pointless getting users to test it |
| 19:08.36 | aroedl | Nothing, compared to all the downloaded movies, most of the users are having on their hd. |
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| 19:08.49 | reavertm | unless you're testing functional aspects of system, not stability |
| 19:08.57 | Half-Left | wow, 600mb, thats nothing |
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| 19:09.36 | prakhar | hello guys, please help me |
| 19:09.45 | Half-Left | Adding 600mb is nothing different to adding 600mb of normal files |
| 19:10.03 | prakhar | the Paste option in Dolphin's context menu seems disabled |
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| 19:10.38 | prakhar | i tried searching a lot, but could not find some solution |
| 19:11.01 | rindolf | Well, having debugging packages by default for all packages that don't normally crash is going to increase the download size considerably. |
| 19:11.07 | Half-Left | prakhar: I've seen this but can't remember why |
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| 19:11.38 | Pconfig | prakhar: do you have write access in that folder? |
| 19:11.46 | prakhar | Half-Left: I don't know, recently KDE got updated to 4.1.4 |
| 19:11.58 | prakhar | Pconfig: yes |
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| 19:13.00 | prakhar | Pconfig: it was all fine until system got updated |
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| 19:16.06 | prakhar | any help?? :( |
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| 19:20.31 | Half-Left | prakhar: package bug maybe, ask your distro channel |
| 19:20.47 | prakhar | Half-Left: ok |
| 19:21.23 | Half-Left | Unless someone can reproduce it in 4.1.4 compiled |
| 19:21.57 | prakhar | Half-Left: ok, thanks. I shall try and do what I can. |
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| 19:43.50 | Half-Left | annma: You running RC1 latest branch? |
| 19:44.28 | annma | I run trunk and also I have 4.2 branch |
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| 19:44.34 | annma | I can switch to plasma from 4.2 easily |
| 19:45.12 | Half-Left | I can reproduce this plasma crash with widgets, calculator seems to crash it |
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| 19:45.52 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
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| 19:46.14 | Ace2016_- | can offline imap be told to store deleted messages locally forever? even if deleted on the server? |
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| 19:46.38 | annma | what crash Half-Left |
| 19:46.46 | ShadowPhrogg | greetings |
| 19:46.51 | Ace2016_- | hi |
| 19:46.52 | annma | pastebin backtrace |
| 19:47.31 | ShadowPhrogg | can you help me install kde4 on Ubuntu 8.10? |
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| 19:47.48 | Half-Left | annma: Add calculator widgit to desktop, drag to panel, click it, drag back to desktop, close it and then click kickoff menu may crash plasma |
| 19:47.53 | Half-Left | widget* |
| 19:47.56 | Losowski | Hey guys, can someone please tell me how Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of 'Computerworld' reviewed KDE 4.2 one day early before it comes out tomorrow? Also, he stated, "Last, but not least, KDE 4.2 is still slower than KDE 3.5x." in his review. Thanks. http://blogs.computerworld.com/what_do_kde_4_2_and_windows_7_have_in_common |
| 19:48.38 | Losowski | Is it true, KDE 4.2 is slower than 3.5 ? |
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| 19:49.09 | aroedl | It's not. |
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| 19:49.27 | aroedl | Computerworld. Nuff said. |
| 19:49.31 | Losowski | aroedl: So what is Steven Vaughan talking about? |
| 19:49.36 | poopix | I'm running KDE 3.5.9 on Gentoo and it keeps freezng when I go away. It will show the screen saver just fine, but once it is supposed to go into standby it switches back to the desktop and shortly after that my whole PC freezes. I can't Crtl+Alt+Backspace/Delete. Anyone know whats wrong? |
| 19:50.03 | aroedl | poopix: Gfx driver. |
| 19:50.12 | Half-Left | Losowski: Comparing it to 3.5.x is not even the same |
| 19:50.28 | Losowski | Half-Left: Well, speed wise, what would you think? |
| 19:50.29 | aroedl | Losowski: Don't know. As I said: it's Computerworld... |
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| 19:50.33 | poopix | Ah ok. |
| 19:51.16 | Half-Left | Losowski: KDE4.2 uses new tech and exposes xorg bugs and exposes nvidia slow acceleration so it's hard to compare |
| 19:51.25 | Losowski | Also, did Computerworld have a copy of 4.2 final-stable, or the beta ? |
| 19:52.07 | aroedl | Losowski: Nobody knows. |
| 19:52.25 | annma | final is not out yet |
| 19:52.28 | remur_030 | that article is a laugh, where did "kde3.5" gave enourmous control over the operating system? everything that ever has been there was pretty much barely working |
| 19:52.30 | aroedl | Losowski: He probably used a svn snapshot. |
| 19:52.34 | annma | tomorrow is release day |
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| 19:52.37 | Losowski | aroedl: Well, thanks anyway....I'm only wondering, how the hell would he have gotten the final one day earlier? |
| 19:52.47 | Losowski | annma: Yes, that's why I'm asking |
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| 19:53.04 | Half-Left | Losowski: Honestly, it's not a good review at all, sounds like a missinformed user review |
| 19:53.10 | aroedl | Losowski: And I think, he used RC1 and wanted to be the first with his article. |
| 19:53.14 | Losowski | Half-Left: Yes, it sure does |
| 19:53.44 | Losowski | aroedl: Steven Vaughn should have told his readers exactly what version of KDE is reviewed...final or beta |
| 19:53.55 | Half-Left | I like KDE3.x bah, bah dont have KDE3.x features bah, bah it's slower because I say so, bha bah |
| 19:54.18 | aroedl | Losowski: yep. |
| 19:54.41 | Losowski | aroedl: As you said, he was trying to be super-star, to be first |
| 19:55.07 | aroedl | Losowski: But I'm sure, if Computerworld reviews Windows7, they're gonna show a screenshot of the version window. :) |
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| 19:55.48 | Losowski | aroedl: BTW, you see the second comment in the review which asks about which version he used...that's mine :) |
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| 19:56.00 | aroedl | Nice. :D |
| 19:56.00 | Half-Left | That review is not even a review, it's a rant |
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| 19:56.30 | aroedl | It is a rant to collect hits/visitors/page impressions. Typical "online computer press". |
| 19:56.38 | Losowski | His review is the first and only negative review I've seen of KDE 4.2...I still cannot believe it performs slower than 3.5 |
| 19:57.21 | Losowski | I'll find out tomorrow...the truth of it :) |
| 19:57.22 | aroedl | Maybe he's on a distro with an old nvidia or ati driver. :) |
| 19:57.23 | Half-Left | And Linus, well who cares what he thinks about DE's, he seems to jump back and forth whenever it suits him |
| 19:58.14 | Losowski | aroedl: You know something, he also doesn't tell us what Kernel version he's using...becuase I have 2.6.28 right now on my pc, and that has the new GEM graphics capabilities...he might have been using and old version of OpenSuse, with an older kernel |
| 19:58.36 | Losowski | *an |
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| 19:59.46 | remur_030 | Half-Left: well many kde guys certainly weren't thinking that when he bitched about gnome |
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| 20:00.40 | remur_030 | from a users perspective his opinion about kde4.0 is totally understandable |
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| 20:00.53 | Half-Left | remur_030: Yer, after than rant about dont use GNOME he's using it :p |
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| 20:02.46 | Half-Left | 4.0 was a year ago, no body in their right mind would use that now :p |
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| 20:04.13 | Half-Left | I must say when I first used KDE4.0 I thought, 'Well this looks promising', no OMG where's all the features gone it sucks |
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| 20:05.24 | marco_ | tomorrow will be 4.2 day = |
| 20:05.36 | remur_030 | marco_: yes |
| 20:05.50 | marco_ | is everything fine ? |
| 20:06.16 | marko_d | will it be tomorrow in CET? |
| 20:06.54 | remur_030 | marco_: ? if you want it so badly you can compile it yourself now |
| 20:07.06 | remur_030 | otherwise you need to wait for your distribution to release it as well |
| 20:07.42 | marco_ | no, seems to work good |
| 20:07.57 | marco_ | some one made a comparison seven vs 4.2 ? |
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| 20:08.26 | Half-Left | Yer, they changed it for no good reason |
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| 20:08.43 | Alen | when will be trunk free to compile 4.3 ? |
| 20:09.02 | Half-Left | KDE3.x had a perfect UI and no problems :) |
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| 20:09.03 | remur_030 | Alen: trunk is already free, 4.2 is developed in a branch now |
| 20:09.35 | cribbe | theis release is so much more quiet, with the 4.0 there where like counters all over planet.kde.org now... they should have saved the "gunpowder" for this one :) |
| 20:09.39 | Alen | when i tryed trunk was freezed and i cannot compile,ok i will try |
| 20:09.54 | remur_030 | Alen: what you talk about freezed? |
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| 20:10.10 | Alen | i had some issue with trunk... |
| 20:10.37 | Losowski | marco_: yes...would you like the link? |
| 20:10.39 | remur_030 | Alen: well yes it is pretty broken |
| 20:11.06 | Alen | ok |
| 20:11.06 | Losowski | marco_: http://blogs.computerworld.com/what_do_kde_4_2_and_windows_7_have_in_common |
| 20:11.31 | remur_030 | Alen: it will stay that way for some time, currently it's more or less developers playground |
| 20:11.41 | Half-Left | Losowski: wow, some bad press for Windows 7, that artical must be junk then :p |
| 20:12.19 | Losowski | Half-Left: I'm more concerned about KDE...I dislike Windows |
| 20:12.35 | Half-Left | Losowski: He never like KDE4 and never will |
| 20:12.54 | HappySmileMan | Am I the only one looking forward to Windows 7? Not necessarily because I have high hopes, but when I get a laptop for college I can hopefully get something better than Vista |
| 20:13.16 | Losowski | HappySmileMan: Why are you on the KDE channel, may I ask? |
| 20:13.37 | remur_030 | HappySmileMan: No I hope for a good windows 7 so I can put a veeeeeery small one into a vm |
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| 20:13.48 | remur_030 | But looks like microsoft doesn't deliver that time round as well... |
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| 20:14.19 | HappySmileMan | Losowski: I use Kubuntu, but I'll almost definitely need to use Windows from time to time in College |
| 20:14.37 | Half-Left | Couldn't care less myself, never going to sue Windows for production again anyway |
| 20:14.41 | Half-Left | use* |
| 20:14.57 | HappySmileMan | I'd prefer dual-booting Windows 7 with Kubuntu than Vista with it (assuming 7 is as good as made out to be) |
| 20:15.01 | Ace2016_- | in kmail is it possible to make the date of arrival column right aligned? |
| 20:15.04 | remur_030 | Half-Left: well some people are microsoft-locked in |
| 20:15.20 | Half-Left | Well thats their problem |
| 20:15.46 | marco_ | i tried seven but i must say that using kde 4.2 is really better |
| 20:16.02 | remur_030 | Half-Left: Well but that's why people in #kde are concerned for a good windows release.... you were asking that before |
| 20:16.31 | Half-Left | Well good for Windows users |
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| 20:17.49 | Ace2016_- | a good windows release is good for me, windows has a huge bullseye painted on it with the words "Hack me i dare you" written around it |
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| 20:18.38 | Half-Left | I use Linux exclusively so I couldn't give a crap :) |
| 20:19.54 | junkDawgie | we could actually talk about kde if we could get a good question... how about... in 4.2rc, the systemsettings/Advanced/DesktopThemeDetails allows the use of customized items.... is it functional or are the file types specialized? i tried to change the "Kicker" icon with a svg file and it didn't work. |
| 20:20.02 | Ace2016_- | Half-Left: really? no software tying you to windows? |
| 20:20.11 | Half-Left | Non at all |
| 20:20.22 | Half-Left | And I'm pure 64bit as well |
| 20:20.53 | pinotree | junkDawgie: what "kicker icon"? |
| 20:21.08 | pinotree | there's no kicker, and there's no "panel icon" either |
| 20:21.47 | junkDawgie | in that module... there is a Kickoff category |
| 20:22.19 | pinotree | kickoff is not kicker |
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| 20:23.14 | Half-Left | junkDawgie: What svg icon, one of the oxygen ones? |
| 20:23.15 | junkDawgie | since the help menu is greyed out, i am assuming the module is incomplete |
| 20:24.14 | junkDawgie | there are many items that appear to able to be customized... now if the Kickoff category is not the kmenu icon then i assumed wrongly |
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| 20:24.36 | junkDawgie | shoot me |
| 20:25.45 | junkDawgie | i was just trying to understand what that whole module really does |
| 20:26.23 | Losowski | Half-Left: I just confirmed, that Steven Vaughn reviewd "KDE 4.2 Beta"...can you believe, he "concluded" that it was slower than 3.5, and it's only beta??? wow! |
| 20:26.35 | annma | Half-Left: you have RC1, right? |
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| 20:26.40 | Losowski | One shouldn't be making conlusions based on a beta version |
| 20:26.41 | Half-Left | annma: Yep |
| 20:26.52 | annma | Half-Left: I am looking into http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182018 |
| 20:27.07 | annma | I can't find how the guy changes the background color |
| 20:27.33 | Half-Left | annma: Reproduce that what I said? |
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| 20:28.30 | annma | change background color with context menu |
| 20:28.38 | annma | I don't have that option |
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| 20:29.21 | Half-Left | annma: Can't get that up |
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| 20:29.29 | Half-Left | Oh, here we go, slow |
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| 20:30.46 | Half-Left | annma: Works here |
| 20:30.55 | annma | can you change background color with context menu? |
| 20:31.13 | Half-Left | Yep, it has a number of colours |
| 20:31.16 | annma | I only can with Settings icon in handle |
| 20:31.22 | annma | weird |
| 20:31.37 | omicron23 | hi there. I just plugged in a usb dvb-t hybrid stick into my linux box. it registers under /dev/video1. are there any kde4 tv apps that i can use to watch tv? |
| 20:31.41 | annma | right clicking in the note? |
| 20:31.55 | annma | ahhhhhhhhhhh got it |
| 20:32.03 | annma | right clicking on the border |
| 20:32.04 | Half-Left | annma: Oh no |
| 20:32.06 | annma | !!! |
| 20:32.37 | annma | not kept, no |
| 20:32.40 | annma | OK thanks |
| 20:32.43 | Half-Left | ahhh |
| 20:33.04 | Half-Left | Not kept how, when you open it up again? |
| 20:33.04 | Ace2016_- | amazingly slow resize and maximise, strange |
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| 20:34.26 | Ace2016_- | any tips on speeding up nvidia and kde4.1.4 with the 180.22 drivers? |
| 20:34.27 | Half-Left | annma: If I use both ways they work both the same |
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| 20:35.09 | Half-Left | Ace2016_-: Yer, ask nvidia to fix them proper next time :p |
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| 20:35.26 | Ace2016_- | :( |
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| 20:35.54 | Half-Left | Ace2016_-: http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA |
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| 20:36.26 | annma | kept when you quit plasma and relog in |
| 20:37.17 | Half-Left | nope |
| 20:37.20 | Half-Left | , bug then |
| 20:37.29 | PovAddict | when somebody messages me on MSN, Kopete tray icon starts spinning... when I click the spinning icon, 2 out of 3 times*, the chat window from the one who messaged me opens; 1 out of 3 times*, X crashes |
| 20:37.37 | PovAddict | (* roughly) |
| 20:38.00 | thiago_home | X crashes -> X problem |
| 20:38.02 | thiago_home | sorry |
| 20:38.29 | Half-Left | PovAddict: You have some sort of desktop effects on? |
| 20:38.36 | PovAddict | compiz |
| 20:38.38 | PovAddict | nvidia driver |
| 20:38.51 | Half-Left | What a surprise |
| 20:38.54 | PovAddict | backtrace in Xorg.0.log.old seems pretty useless |
| 20:39.12 | PovAddict | only happens with kopete though |
| 20:39.22 | Half-Left | We can't be resposible for what compiz does |
| 20:39.25 | PovAddict | wants an X-less desktop :( |
| 20:39.35 | Half-Left | Can you reproduce it with kwin? |
| 20:39.37 | PovAddict | (but Macs are expensive) |
| 20:39.42 | thiago_home | it's probably the NVidia driver's fault |
| 20:40.17 | nille_ | PovAddict ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 20:40.41 | PovAddict | nille_: what about it |
| 20:40.57 | nille_ | * PovAddict wants an X-less desktop :( |
| 20:41.22 | PovAddict | text scrolls slower in tty1 than in a 3D-accelerated transparent Konsole with subpixel-antialiased text |
| 20:41.29 | PovAddict | so that's not an improvement :) |
| 20:41.54 | Half-Left | Well yer because it's the framebuffer |
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| 20:42.04 | PovAddict | (not to mention I still didn't figure out how to change ttys from 80x24 pain) |
| 20:42.19 | Half-Left | Which has nothing to do with KDE |
| 20:42.40 | PovAddict | nope, it has nothing to do... |
| 20:42.50 | PovAddict | nille_ brought it up :p |
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| 20:46.08 | cribbe | povaddict, if you really want an xless desktop, and willing to visit the past you can try http://qt-directfb.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:47.05 | PovAddict | I'm more willing to stop X from crashing 30% of the times someone IMs me |
| 20:47.17 | thiago_home | does the same crash happen with kwin? |
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| 20:48.45 | cribbe | povaddict, maybe trying an other im client untill this is sorted out, there are plenty pidgin,amsn and ... |
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| 20:48.51 | PovAddict | it's erratic anyway... |
| 20:48.54 | jazka | kmess |
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| 20:49.31 | PovAddict | if I *want* it to crash, and tell people to message me (to make it crash), it probably won't happen (there's a Murphy law about it) |
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| 20:51.20 | PovAddict | crash! |
| 20:51.27 | PovAddict | now proceeds to start kwin |
| 20:52.45 | PovAddict | looks at the messed up desktop switcher in the panel |
| 20:54.18 | PovAddict | anyway, so what... if it doesn't crash in kwin, you'll tell me "see, compiz problem, not our fault"? |
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| 20:54.45 | thiago_home | no |
| 20:54.59 | thiago_home | we'll say, "see, NVidia problem that compiz triggers, not our fault" |
| 20:55.02 | thiago_home | :-P |
| 20:55.09 | cribbe | PovAddict, have you checked your memory? I used to have strange problems before due to that, but the most strange thing was that it pretty much only was nedit that triggered it everythime i started it it hanged. but anyway then i got corrupted files |
| 20:55.26 | cribbe | too then |
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| 20:58.57 | P-Luc_Auclair | any know issues with intel graphics under kde4 ? |
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| 20:59.55 | PovAddict | how hard is it to migrate to KDE4? |
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| 21:00.28 | PovAddict | from a getting-used-to-its-differences standpoint, not a migrating-my-user-settings standpoint |
| 21:02.26 | P-Luc_Auclair | PovAddict, mainly you'll have to get used to Dolphin (took me a week) and the new settings manager |
| 21:02.37 | PovAddict | dolphin4 is different? |
| 21:02.58 | P-Luc_Auclair | never used dolphin before kde4 |
| 21:03.03 | PovAddict | (I don't use Konqueror as file manager, that's an abomination that reminds me of Win95) |
| 21:03.28 | PovAddict | I use dolphin sometimes, but mostly bash |
| 21:03.31 | PovAddict | :) |
| 21:03.44 | Half-Left | Got to love IRC, you get all sort of comments it's amazing |
| 21:04.03 | P-Luc_Auclair | oh my, bash |
| 21:04.09 | Dhraakellian | is trying to figure out how to get per-desktop wallpapers in 4.2rc |
| 21:04.29 | PovAddict | actually fish (and I'm learning zsh); I just meant to say "command line" :) |
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| 21:05.52 | P-Luc_Auclair | yeah, personally as long as it's not nautilus I'm fine |
| 21:06.11 | PovAddict | heh |
| 21:06.39 | Dhraakellian | don't think I'm having much success |
| 21:06.42 | PovAddict | I think spatial file managers are an interesting concept... but wouldn't fit *me* |
| 21:07.02 | P-Luc_Auclair | spatial file manager? like what? |
| 21:07.20 | Dhraakellian | remembers spatial filemanagement on OS/2 |
| 21:07.49 | PovAddict | windows representing folders |
| 21:08.16 | PovAddict | open a folder and a new window opens; no back button; no way to get two windows at the same time showing the same folder |
| 21:08.37 | Dhraakellian | not quite accurate, iirc |
| 21:08.45 | Dhraakellian | you still can open the same folder twice |
| 21:08.49 | Dhraakellian | but I might be misremembering |
| 21:08.54 | PovAddict | in broken spatial file managers, yes |
| 21:09.13 | Dhraakellian | oh, wait... it just brings up the other window with that folder, doesn't it? |
| 21:09.19 | P-Luc_Auclair | oh, that's a shady concept, makes no sense |
| 21:09.26 | P-Luc_Auclair | right |
| 21:09.27 | PovAddict | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_file_manager |
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| 21:20.08 | P-Luc_Auclair | any issues with the new nvidia drivers too btw ? |
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| 21:21.16 | PovAddict | I've been upgrading the nvidia driver when updates appear in the ubuntu repo |
| 21:21.17 | PovAddict | my crash has been happening since I installed ubuntu |
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| 21:24.06 | avanindra | hi all |
| 21:24.40 | doc___ | hi there |
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| 21:36.09 | Matt123 | Hi! I've just upgraded to the latest packages on kubuntu Jaunty and I've lost plasma - can anyone help? |
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| 21:36.39 | cga | arg |
| 21:36.57 | fabian__ | Matt123: lost? do you mean it is crashing on startup? |
| 21:37.05 | cga | plasma crashed when i inserted my encrypted external usb harddisk |
| 21:37.25 | cga | how do i restart plasma from cli? (god bless weechat :P) |
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| 21:37.51 | Matt123 | Hi fabian! Yes, I have a blank screen. I can run programs by using Alt-F2 |
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| 21:38.24 | cribbe | cga, can you alt+f2 plasma? |
| 21:38.34 | fabian__ | maybe some widget dind't get updated and causing the problem |
| 21:38.40 | cga | i fortunately have konsole open |
| 21:38.52 | Matt123 | so I am able to log in from KDM. |
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| 21:39.19 | cga | cribbe: i have konsole open |
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| 21:39.28 | fabian__ | you can try to remove the widgets in plasma-appletsrc |
| 21:39.44 | cribbe | cga: then just start plasma with the cmd plasma :) |
| 21:39.59 | cga | oh ok |
| 21:40.20 | fabian__ | otherwise try #plasma |
| 21:40.57 | Matt123 | Are other people having plasma issues following a recent update on Jaunty? |
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| 21:53.02 | agnitio | is there a howto somewhere on how to make a theme for kde4? |
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| 21:55.01 | Matt123 | HI! Is anyone from New Zealand and going to have a 4.2 release party? |
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| 21:58.33 | gionny | is there a way to disable in konsole the size |
| 21:58.59 | gionny | uhm, sorry... I mean... disable the little OSD that comes out in konsole when you change its size? |
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| 22:12.47 | Fisiu | hi |
| 22:13.13 | Fisiu | will kopete support irc in KDE 4.2? |
| 22:13.31 | pinotree | no |
| 22:13.47 | Fisiu | :( |
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| 22:16.28 | thiago_home | Fisiu: no one wants to write the code |
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| 22:17.49 | Fisiu | write or rewrite? |
| 22:18.20 | Fisiu | in KDE3 kopete supported irc, is it really hard to port one plugin? |
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| 22:19.04 | SSJ_GZ | Fisiu: Try it and see ;) |
| 22:19.09 | Jucato | if it wasn't, it would already be ported ;) |
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| 22:19.41 | Fisiu | I'm only asking ;) |
| 22:19.54 | aroedl | IRC != Instant Messaging, IMHO. :) |
| 22:20.01 | Jucato | I'm only answering too ;) |
| 22:20.06 | Fisiu | I'm not coder yet :D |
| 22:20.14 | aroedl | s/a/e/ |
| 22:20.59 | Fisiu | and what about konversation? |
| 22:21.39 | Fisiu | in KDE3 worked fine, but now unde KDE4 I miss for KDE4 irc app |
| 22:22.16 | Jucato | konversation works fine in kde4 |
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| 22:23.10 | Fisiu | but You need install some base kde3 libs to get it working |
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| 22:24.25 | Jucato | yes. that isn't much of a problem. even with distros that offer KDE 4 only, they also offer KDE 3 kdelibs for apps like konversation and k3b |
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| 22:24.54 | pedepy | k3b got ported didnt it |
| 22:24.59 | aroedl | Or Quassel. |
| 22:25.10 | remur_030 | pedepy: still unstable |
| 22:25.26 | pedepy | i didn think quassel was a kde app |
| 22:25.40 | remur_030 | it's a qt app |
| 22:25.41 | Jucato | it wasn't and it isn't :) |
| 22:25.44 | aroedl | Well it's not, but it's an option. |
| 22:25.49 | pedepy | exactly |
| 22:25.57 | pedepy | so why is it using my kde style |
| 22:26.04 | pedepy | when all other qt apps (ie google earth) wont |
| 22:26.26 | aroedl | google earth is qt3. |
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| 22:26.31 | pedepy | ah |
| 22:26.32 | Jucato | Qt 4 apps can use KDE 4 styles |
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| 22:26.42 | Jucato | after all, KDE 4 styles are QStyles |
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| 22:26.43 | pedepy | makes sense |
| 22:26.57 | PovAddict | I configured KDE (3.5) to restore last session on startup |
| 22:27.01 | PovAddict | is the "session" only saved on logout? |
| 22:27.28 | thiago_home | yes |
| 22:27.32 | Jucato | PovAddict: normally, yes. but I think you can force a save using dcop |
| 22:27.41 | PovAddict | then that's pretty damn useless |
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| 22:28.14 | PovAddict | when I "logout", it's either a crash or a power outage |
| 22:28.46 | PovAddict | otherwise my machine runs 24/7 |
| 22:28.50 | Jucato | you can set it to restore from a manually saved session and save the session at intervals |
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| 22:29.04 | PovAddict | so it kept restoring some random session from months ago when I cleanly logged out |
| 22:29.06 | Jucato | using a script |
| 22:29.22 | PovAddict | what exactly gets saved in a "session" anyway? |
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| 22:31.19 | Jucato | it remembers which KDE apps were opened and in what desktop/position. it depends on the apps whether their last content or state is also saved and restored |
| 22:31.25 | PovAddict | do I keep the email I had half written? do I keep open tabs in Konqueror? IRC channels in Konversation that I joined manually? (not autojoin on connect) IRC backlog? (I know there are log files; I mean just the part that was in the window before saving session) |
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| 22:31.45 | Mooby | tabs, mails, yes |
| 22:31.49 | Mooby | konversations channels, not |
| 22:31.57 | thiago_home | it's up to each application to save its state |
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| 22:32.25 | PovAddict | well most applications come bundled with KDE, so it's on-topic to ask what the applications save :) |
| 22:32.54 | thiago_home | correct |
| 22:33.08 | thiago_home | an IRC client should save the channels you had joined as state |
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| 22:33.18 | Jucato | should, but doesn't (yet) :) |
| 22:33.34 | PovAddict | mumbles something about Apollo computers having better state-restoring than any modern software |
| 22:33.36 | Jucato | one of the planned features for Konvi 2.... |
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| 22:34.48 | Jucato | doubts that the development situation is the same... not knowing what "Apollo computers" are... |
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| 22:35.20 | PovAddict | the ones that helped man land on moon |
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| 22:37.27 | agnitio | PovAddict: I doubt they ran a tabbed browser and some instant messaging app though |
| 22:37.29 | silver_hook | Hullo. Is Python 3.x already supported as a scripting language in the KDE bindings (e.g. for writing Plasmoids)? |
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| 22:38.40 | thiago_home | silver_hook: is Python 3.0 already released? |
| 22:38.40 | einar77 | silver_hook: that would mean python 3 support in pyqt, so not yet |
| 22:38.52 | sabayonlive-621 | why my desktop is plane |
| 22:38.52 | einar77 | thiago: yes, since october 2008 |
| 22:39.08 | remur_030 | sabayonlive-621: huh? =) |
| 22:39.13 | sabayonlive-621 | it doesn't see as cube |
| 22:39.24 | silver_hook | thiago_home: 3.0 is out AFAIK. |
| 22:39.26 | PovAddict | why should it be a cube? |
| 22:39.34 | Jucato | sabayonlive-621: please ask in #sabayon |
| 22:39.40 | remur_030 | PovAddict: it is on the screenshot! |
| 22:40.00 | silver_hook | einar77: Makes sense. And I suppose this is not the place to ask if anyone knows when it will be supported in PyQt? ;) |
| 22:40.20 | remur_030 | silver_hook: maybe ask in #kde-devel? |
| 22:40.24 | Jucato | yep. KDE doesn't make that one. riverbank does. try asking in #qt |
| 22:40.26 | einar77 | silver_hook: there's a roadmap without time on the riverbank web page |
| 22:40.26 | remur_030 | or #qt? |
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| 22:40.44 | silver_hook | remur_030: Will do :] |
| 22:40.47 | thiago_home | no one from riverbank there either |
| 22:40.48 | PovAddict | didn't it say "picture is for illustrative purposes only, colors and desktop effects may vary"? |
| 22:40.55 | Jucato | remur_030, silver_hook: not in #kde-devel (see above) ;) |
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| 22:41.24 | silver_hook | Jucato: Yeah, I thought #qt was more appropriate. |
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| 22:44.33 | silver_hook | Woohooo!!! Tomorrow's the day! XD |
| 22:44.58 | silver_hook | wonders why there's no party preparations on #kde already O_o |
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| 22:46.30 | Jucato | coz this isn't the party channel ;) |
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| 22:46.54 | silver_hook | Jucato: There's a #kde-party XD? |
| 22:47.22 | Jucato | there was. but I think now the partying will be at #kde-chat |
| 22:47.41 | silver_hook | Oh, right. My bad ...I always forget there's a *-chat channel |
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| 22:58.23 | Rudd-O | hi guise |
| 22:58.27 | Rudd-O | I have compiz + kde 4.2 |
| 22:59.07 | Rudd-O | and I notice that the desktops in the desktop pager that sits in the plasma panel, is completely orthogonal to the virtual desktops feature in compiz. I mean, compiz has this "cube thing" but the desktops in the pager do not correspond to them, I have four cube sides and four desktops, and I have therefore sixteen different areas. |
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| 22:59.51 | PovAddict | what distro? |
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| 22:59.57 | aroedl | Rudd-O: KDE4 + Compiz? Why that? |
| 23:00.14 | Rudd-O | aroedl: I happen to like compiz's effects |
| 23:00.16 | Rudd-O | I use fedora 10 |
| 23:00.23 | Rudd-O | kde4.2 from the kde-redhat project |
| 23:00.29 | Rudd-O | compiz straight from fedora's repos |
| 23:00.33 | aroedl | Rudd-O: Ever tried the desktop effects in KDE4.2? |
| 23:00.43 | Rudd-O | aroedl: yeah, they suck in comparison to compiz |
| 23:00.48 | aroedl | oO |
| 23:00.50 | Rudd-O | (I mean they are nice, but compiz is eons better) |
| 23:00.51 | PovAddict | Rudd-O: there is a modified pager applet for kicker that actually works with compiz; but you'd need something quite different for KDE4... |
| 23:01.03 | PovAddict | "kicker-compiz" package in ubuntu |
| 23:01.06 | Rudd-O | so I am better removing the pager applet then? |
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| 23:01.23 | Rudd-O | I'll just use keyboard to move around cube sides |
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| 23:01.35 | PovAddict | uses mouse :) |
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| 23:02.11 | Khyota | konqueror doesnt seem to be a good SVG viewer at all, any suggestions |
| 23:02.12 | Khyota | ? |
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| 23:02.34 | PovAddict | huh, ksvg is way better than Firefox 2 |
| 23:03.09 | PovAddict | (Firefox 3 SVG support may be better than ksvg, but ksvg in KDE4 probably improved too, I've never tried it) |
| 23:03.52 | zicada | so, the widget on www.kde.org goes by the browers localtime ? |
| 23:04.06 | Khyota | is ksvg a standalone program? |
| 23:04.11 | zicada | says 4.2 final is released, and its a couple minutes after 12 |
| 23:04.12 | Khyota | its installed but i cant find it |
| 23:04.16 | PovAddict | ksvg is what konqueror uses it |
| 23:04.19 | PovAddict | -it |
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| 23:04.26 | PovAddict | in KDE everything is quite component-based... |
| 23:04.51 | GuyFromHell | So where can i get those 4.2.0 prelease tarballs? |
| 23:04.57 | PovAddict | KDE apps needing HTML would use KHTML, KDE apps needing SVG would use ksvg, KDE apps needing PDF use kpdf |
| 23:05.00 | GuyFromHell | prerelease even* |
| 23:05.10 | PovAddict | konqueror uses all three :) |
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| 23:05.57 | Khyota | konqueror can zoom SVG but not pan :( |
| 23:06.03 | Khyota | at least on 3.5.10 |
| 23:06.32 | PovAddict | Khyota: gimme a svg link :) |
| 23:06.44 | Jucato | Khyota: yes it can. just make sure you've got the right view mode selected (Zoom, Pan/Scroll, Select) |
| 23:07.15 | Khyota | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Plates_tect2_en.svg a |
| 23:07.27 | Jucato | er.. nvm... misread :) |
| 23:07.43 | PovAddict | what idiot configured that server... the link opens in Kate |
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| 23:08.31 | aroedl | Khyota: I can zoom and pan... |
| 23:08.32 | Khyota | Kate? LOL |
| 23:09.10 | aroedl | Khyota: "Version 4.2.60 (KDE 4.2.60 (KDE 4.3))" |
| 23:09.26 | Khyota | for me when i zoom it cuts off what wont fit, but i dont have any scroll bars, clicking draging aint doin nothin |
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| 23:09.40 | aroedl | Khyota: Version? |
| 23:09.40 | Rudd-O | how do I setup kde to start a compiz launcher script when I og in? |
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| 23:10.10 | Khyota | aroedl: 3.5.9, using kde 3.5.10 |
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| 23:10.36 | aroedl | Khyota: Oh, ic... |
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| 23:11.08 | Rudd-O | ah I just used the autostart applet thingie |
| 23:11.10 | PovAddict | hmm I see no decent standalone app |
| 23:11.23 | PovAddict | 'ksvg' package comes with 'svgdisplay' standalone app |
| 23:11.31 | PovAddict | it's completely... "simple"? |
| 23:11.34 | PovAddict | you can't even zoom |
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| 23:12.22 | Khyota | is okular kde3? |
| 23:12.25 | Jucato | no |
| 23:12.27 | pinotree | no |
| 23:12.30 | Rudd-O | nope |
| 23:12.32 | Rudd-O | that's kde4 |
| 23:12.47 | pinotree | but can be installed in parallel |
| 23:13.19 | Khyota | i just changed from suse to debian so ive lost a bit of freedom :( |
| 23:13.25 | zicada | so, anyone know if 4.2 final is released or if the website is just reacting to my timezone ? |
| 23:13.51 | zicada | eg, for US people, does www.kde.org say "4.2 is now released" ? |
| 23:14.31 | Khyota | nope |
| 23:14.34 | Alen | for me to CET time write it is released |
| 23:14.43 | aroedl | zicada: Just open the bottle of champagne already... |
| 23:14.59 | zicada | :D |
| 23:15.09 | zicada | guess tarballs start showing up in 6-9 hours then |
| 23:15.16 | GuyFromHell | zicada: the home page just says the RC is released. |
| 23:15.34 | Alen | KDE 4.2 is released! is write |
| 23:15.34 | GuyFromHell | which is unfortunate because i can't jupgrade anything in my computer because those are halting the process :( |
| 23:15.47 | zicada | yeah, apparently uses your brownsers timezone |
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| 23:16.01 | Khyota | change timezone? |
| 23:16.13 | zicada | heh, nah, was just curious if it did that or not |
| 23:16.20 | GuyFromHell | zicada: oh wait, that shiny icon. for some reason i missed that |
| 23:16.31 | GuyFromHell | zicada: yes mine says released too over here on the east coast |
| 23:16.32 | zicada | indeed, the shiny icon :D |
| 23:16.35 | zicada | ah |
| 23:16.44 | zicada | finally got the q answered then, thanks:D |
| 23:16.48 | jaem | is it possible to stretch a multi-monitor wallpaper over multiple monitors, in plasma? I only saw options to set them individually for each screen |
| 23:16.48 | GuyFromHell | sorry, my eyes glaze over absurdlyshiny sometimes... habit from ad's i'm guessing |
| 23:16.56 | zicada | hah |
| 23:16.58 | zicada | indeed |
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| 23:22.00 | zipito | is it released ?? |
| 23:22.47 | jaem | zipito: 4.2? yes |
| 23:22.50 | zicada | according to the website, yeah |
| 23:22.50 | MoDaX | Khyota: you lost what? |
| 23:22.51 | jaem | finally |
| 23:23.02 | zicada | not on the FTP yet |
| 23:23.05 | jaem | *grumble* crazy European time zones :P |
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| 23:32.47 | Raylz | gz |
| 23:32.59 | Raylz | maybe you should update the topic |
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| 23:39.47 | PeterFA | What's a good usenet reader? |
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| 23:46.14 | silver_hook | PeterFA: KNode? |
| 23:48.26 | silver_hook | Whoo, b.k.o is slow today O_o |
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| 23:48.44 | FreakGuard | hm... kmail crashes reproducable http://paste.pocoo.org/show/101520/ |
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| 23:58.34 | ld50 | I only want a window to appear on the desktop its assigned |
| 23:58.55 | ld50 | i forgot where thats configured |
| 23:59.57 | Jucato | right-click on title bar -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings |
