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| 00:06.17 | mfwitten | Terrible, TERRIBLE news! After recompiling qt-4.4.1 with -no-phonon I still get an error when trying to build kdesupport trunk: http://rafb.net/p/yvvKnM35.html |
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| 00:07.30 | clyrrad | Hey folks, looking for a way to run a bash script after KDE has fully loaded, anyone know where I need to put that script? I tried /home/user/.kde/Autostart but thats not it |
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| 00:31.55 | nicoquad | hi |
| 00:32.15 | nicoquad | can anyone tell me how to boot back to kde? |
| 00:32.22 | nicoquad | I messed up my boot |
| 00:32.54 | nicoquad | I was trying different desktops |
| 00:33.01 | nicoquad | and one was faulty |
| 00:33.14 | nicoquad | now it boots straight to that black desktop |
| 00:33.39 | nicoquad | anyone? |
| 00:34.06 | nicoquad | how can I get opensuse to boot straight to kde or to a log screen instead of that faulltty desktop |
| 00:34.22 | nicoquad | hello? |
| 00:36.26 | nicoquad | can anyone tell me how to boot back to kde? |
| 00:36.26 | nicoquad | I messed up my boot |
| 00:36.26 | nicoquad | I was trying different desktops |
| 00:36.26 | nicoquad | and one was faulty |
| 00:36.27 | nicoquad | now it boots straight to that black desktop |
| 00:36.27 | nicoquad | how can I get opensuse to boot straight to kde or to a log screen instead of that faulty desktop |
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| 00:42.19 | pal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.59 | octox2 | can i use dual monitors in kde4 ? does plasma like it ? |
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| 00:45.01 | octox2 | the second monitor is on, but i knoly have one desktop but i can see the mouse ont he second monitor |
| 00:46.59 | pal | somebody here???? |
| 00:47.16 | aseigo | nope. =P |
| 00:47.48 | pal | aseigo help please |
| 00:47.50 | aseigo | pal: as for your question, as in your distro channel. that's a highly os-specific query |
| 00:48.34 | pal | yes i know, you should have the same similiar |
| 00:48.52 | junkDawgie | might check this octox2... http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ |
| 00:50.05 | pal | u should have base Kde4 package and advanced packege |
| 00:50.13 | clyrrad | anyone know the answer to my question? Still looking for a way to have an APP auto load with KDE but only after the desktop is fully loaded, does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 00:52.28 | junkDawgie | i could be wrong but i think that is what Autostart is for... clyrrad |
| 00:52.29 | dbglt | Hi. Trying to build kde svn, and I get: Cannot process input: '/home/kde4/kde/build/kdebase/apps/keditbookmarks/org.kde.keditbookmarks.xml'. Stop. |
| 00:52.34 | dbglt | (kdebase) |
| 00:52.45 | dbglt | no idea what the problem might be |
| 00:53.07 | clyrrad | junkDawgie: yea, I have my script in Autostart, howerver it does not wait for the desktop to be fully loaded before it runs |
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| 00:53.28 | octox2 | dual monitors do or do not work in kde4 ? |
| 00:53.58 | junkDawgie | bet it's all multithreaded, clyrrad |
| 00:54.41 | clyrrad | junkDawgie: so how to acomplish what I am after? |
| 00:54.46 | aseigo | octox2: depends. xinerama, twinview, dual head... which? |
| 00:55.03 | aseigo | clyrrad: sure .. put it in your Autostart directory |
| 00:55.03 | octox2 | im trying any that will get me a desktop |
| 00:55.08 | aseigo | clyrrad: those get loaded once the desktop is up |
| 00:55.35 | aseigo | octox2: xinerama/twinview/mergefb are supported ... assuming the driver -> xrandr -> xinerama is working properly in x.org |
| 00:55.44 | aseigo | octox2: dual head is not well supported atm |
| 00:55.44 | clyrrad | aseigo: hrm, the app does not load for me, its like its being called before the desktop is up |
| 00:55.53 | octox2 | aseigo: ive got seperate x windows right now, but the second monitor only has a mouse icon annnnd that is it |
| 00:56.06 | aseigo | "separate x windows" == "dual head"? |
| 00:56.11 | aseigo | as in two x sessions? |
| 00:56.32 | octox2 | aseigo: yea, i hit enter by the time you already stated that |
| 00:57.47 | clyrrad | aseigo: Ok I have another idea, is there a way to control the order in which the items in Autostart are loaded? |
| 01:00.35 | aseigo | clyrrad: not really .. they might end up loaded alphabetically depending on how it gets the listing, but i'd be mildly surprised. |
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| 01:01.26 | drivamgr2008Spri | Morning all. Anyone in the mood to help me fix a little problem please? |
| 01:02.21 | clyrrad | aseigo: hrm, im running out of ideas LOL |
| 01:02.44 | aseigo | clyrrad: put a script in Autostart that starts them in order? |
| 01:03.00 | aseigo | drivamgr2008Spri: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 01:03.00 | drivamgr2008Spri | I have a facility for previewing music on my desktop, just by touching the file with my mouse pointer. But it only works if I killall kdesktop and then restart it. Is this a fault i can correct, or a bug possibly? (KDE 3.5.9 - Mandriva 2008.1) |
| 01:03.13 | drivamgr2008Spri | i just did. give me a chance to type, please |
| 01:03.17 | aseigo | it would be a bug |
| 01:03.19 | drivamgr2008Spri | :) |
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| 01:03.53 | clyrrad | aseigo: yea, I have a .sh script in Autostart which tries to do that, but the app does not load when called from inside that script.... it opens by the same syntax on the command line, but not from inside the .sh file in Autostart |
| 01:04.13 | drivamgr2008Spri | right, so i assume it needs to go on the bugzilla then, if we have one. |
| 01:04.30 | aseigo | clyrrad: $PATH? |
| 01:05.01 | clyrrad | aseigo: I am specifying the full path to the binary |
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| 01:07.16 | isak | hi, im having some strange problems with kmail. probably a bug but i will ask anyway just incase there's some setting error by me. http://isak.no-ip.org/files/kmail2.png there you can see the "MailCollect" folder but in the folder view i cant get it visible http://isak.no-ip.org/files/kmail.png |
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| 01:18.59 | drivamgr2008Spri | aseigo: A bug has been filed on that problem with the kdesktop sound preview. Its at Bug 170957. Thanks for the help. |
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| 02:35.00 | killown | hey how can I fix it problem "/var/tmp/kde-name is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." |
| 02:36.02 | killown | amarok won't start because of this |
| 02:36.34 | junkDawgie | you are trying to run amarok from root? |
| 02:37.06 | killown | Junimohni, as local user |
| 02:37.17 | killown | sudo amarok works |
| 02:37.26 | killown | but amarok it's crash |
| 02:39.06 | junkDawgie | i must be mistaken.... i thought 0 was root and 1000 usually was the first added user |
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| 02:46.31 | killown | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-name" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. |
| 02:46.34 | killown | wtf |
| 02:46.49 | killown | sudo amarok work but without sudo does not work |
| 02:47.31 | TeinkUnit | heh. kde really wasn't for me. i'm not sure if something had advanced since the kde 2.x times, but good luck with the project :P |
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| 02:52.31 | shevy | lol |
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| 02:58.39 | Strav | anyone working on konsole around? |
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| 03:14.12 | Qu4Z | killown: sudo chown 0 /var/tmp/kdecache-name should make it uid 0, although I'm skeptical it'll fix your problem. But if that's what the error message says, it's probably onto something... |
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| 03:37.54 | Chani | what's the status of knetworkmanager in kde4? |
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| 03:42.14 | shizlap | is there a way to embed openoffice in konqueror in kde4 ? |
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| 03:43.04 | shizlap | i notice this project for kde3 -> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/cuckooo/index.php |
| 03:43.39 | shizlap | but wondered if there was some better implementation for kde4 |
| 03:44.42 | shizlap | being non-application specific would be an even grander thing, whereby any external app. could be embedded |
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| 04:03.07 | junkDawgie | so konqueror would just be a shell for external apps? |
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| 04:40.22 | shizlap | junkDawgie: the possiblity would be there if you desired to run it like that, not me though |
| 04:41.10 | shizlap | it'd be nice to be able to click on .doc/.pps/.xls files and have them viewable in Konq. |
| 04:43.25 | Mebibyte | http://www.lhccam.com/ |
| 04:43.26 | Mebibyte | cool |
| 04:43.28 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 04:43.30 | shizlap | the idea of making the embedded part non-ooffice specific would give greater flexibility to the user and save duplicity programming wise for future apps |
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| 04:49.06 | shizlap | Mebibyte: oh crap ;( |
| 04:49.26 | Mebibyte | heh |
| 04:49.29 | Mebibyte | got scared? |
| 04:49.30 | Mebibyte | hahahahahaha |
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| 04:49.59 | shizlap | was gunna wash the car, but i don't think i'll bother now :p |
| 04:50.34 | Mebibyte | lol |
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| 05:22.03 | vruno | which file do I have to change to modify kdm's session list? |
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| 05:26.44 | smurfslover | vruno: not a file, it's a directory |
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| 05:27.47 | smurfslover | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Launching_KDE_4_apps_.26_sessions |
| 05:27.58 | smurfslover | vruno: ^^ |
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| 06:22.26 | dudeman | hi |
| 06:22.29 | dudeman | anyone around? |
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| 06:32.23 | scriptx | herro! |
| 06:32.46 | scriptx | i'm using compiz in KDE4 and am wondering if its yet possible to disable the multiple desktops? |
| 06:33.17 | scriptx | i'd love if compiz related it's cube-sides to a virtual desktop, but it does not |
| 06:33.45 | scriptx | I'm running slackware 12.1 |
| 06:34.19 | Sput | wonders why people still prefer compiz over kwin |
| 06:34.40 | scriptx | i was just introduced to the effects available |
| 06:34.46 | scriptx | and wanted to give it a try. |
| 06:35.16 | scriptx | does kwin offer effects comparable to some of the rendering that compiz does? |
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| 06:37.52 | Sput | scriptx: yes. |
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| 06:37.57 | Sput | even has the cube :) |
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| 06:41.36 | scriptx | well i didn't know any of this!.. |
| 06:41.57 | scriptx | and, if you know how things can go in slackware, i've spent hours to get things working together |
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| 06:51.45 | Qu4Z | So... what's KDE's take on MPX? Is any work being done to support it, or is that non-priority/trolltech's job? |
| 06:53.21 | scriptx | i downloaded kde4 packages available on ftp.slackware.com, perhaps these fancy kwin features were not included? |
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| 07:09.04 | mohi | hi :) |
| 07:09.21 | mohi | how should I start the "kdeprintd" service? |
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| 07:18.50 | Zarin | Qu4Z, is MPX stable yet? |
| 07:19.04 | thiago_home | has never heard of MPX |
| 07:19.12 | Zarin | thiago, Multipointer X |
| 07:19.21 | thiago_home | so there's probably no work being done on it |
| 07:19.21 | Zarin | Minority report :) |
| 07:19.30 | thiago_home | ok, then I can tell you there's no work being done on it. |
| 07:20.13 | Qu4Z | Zarin: It's allegedly being merged with mainline, not that that's saying anything. I just figured you might as well start early :) |
| 07:20.52 | Zarin | Qu4Z, if it's in X trunk then I guess we could start looking at it, however I don't really see it would be of any use for the next few years |
| 07:20.53 | Qu4Z | I'm not so interested in the potential minority-report-esque applications as just having two mice with two pointers. |
| 07:21.17 | Qu4Z | Zarin: Fair enough. No hurry, you know better than me what needs to be done. I was just wondering :) |
| 07:22.01 | Zarin | If you don't mind the two pointers not interacting with each other then I think it will already work. But if you want them to like with zooming then no go atm |
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| 07:22.37 | Qu4Z | Oh? Cool. I'll have to try that out at some stage |
| 07:22.49 | Zarin | has never used it though so I don't really know |
| 07:23.57 | Zarin | I think some of the Compiz devs are working with MPX, they should know whether it's an application requirement or a environment requirement. |
| 07:25.21 | Qu4Z | Yeah, I'm a little fuzzy as to how responsibility for these things is delegated. |
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| 07:26.12 | Zarin | It would most likely require something in Qt |
| 07:26.36 | thiago_home | or a lot |
| 07:26.46 | Qu4Z | Or almost everything |
| 07:27.08 | Qu4Z | I was kinda guessing that would be the case :/ |
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| 07:56.03 | jaalto | Is there a way in Konqueror 3.5.9 to tell "I clicked (not double clicked to step in it) this directory, the selection cursor moves there, so paste files HERE". Now when I copy (C-c) files from another place, click the other directory (make it active), it wants to paste to the same location where the original files are. It doens't seem to realize that the selection cursor points to another directory. -- For the record |
| 07:56.03 | jaalto | : I have configured Konqueror not to use factory default single click events. |
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| 07:56.57 | Duesentrieb | hi all. |
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| 07:57.43 | Duesentrieb | i have a question about korganizer. how can you put an event into a specific calendar? I see no way to pick which one a new event is stored in... |
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| 07:58.15 | lemma | Duesentrieb: it should ask you if you have several calendars and create a new event |
| 07:58.24 | Duesentrieb | it doesn't |
| 07:58.32 | lemma | Duesentrieb: which version are you on? |
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| 07:58.44 | Duesentrieb | 3.5.9 |
| 07:59.08 | lemma | Duesentrieb: I can only try it on 4.1.1 right now. but I do remember it asked me. let me check if there's a config option |
| 07:59.45 | Duesentrieb | hm, i think i found an option that may do that |
| 08:00.47 | Duesentrieb | lemma: ok, there's a config option, sorry for not checking for that. however, the way it works is quite annoying (modal dialog on "ok"). |
| 08:01.05 | lemma | Duesentrieb: yes. tbh, I'm not completely happy with it myself |
| 08:01.15 | Duesentrieb | it would be nice if this was just a dropdown in the main form with all the event properties, and the default calendar was selected |
| 08:01.55 | lemma | Duesentrieb: you can open a wish for that on bugs.kde.org - maybe someone even pointed that out already. unfortunately most of the pim hackers are busy porting kdepim to the akonadi architecture |
| 08:02.28 | Duesentrieb | yea, i guess so. no one is going to fix stuff in kde 3 now anyhow :P |
| 08:02.34 | Duesentrieb | btw... do you know if there's a way to push a calendar onto a server using HTTP POST? i.e. do what iCal does. |
| 08:02.54 | Duesentrieb | would be nice, and it's trivial to implement |
| 08:04.09 | lemma | Duesentrieb: isn't this what free/busy is doing? (I'm not really too apt on calendaring protocols :-) |
| 08:05.02 | Duesentrieb | if that is what it's doing, it's not very clear about that :) there are a cople of protocols available, mostly complex stuff like exchange. |
| 08:05.26 | Duesentrieb | anyway, you're probably not the person to berate about this :) |
| 08:05.43 | lemma | Duesentrieb: depending on the protocol you can use for transmission you could use "Calendar in Remote File". |
| 08:05.58 | lemma | Duesentrieb: this might work with all the kio-protocols konqueror supports as well |
| 08:06.24 | Duesentrieb | hm... maybe. don't know how to trigger a HTTP PUT with a URL. but it's worth a try i guess. |
| 08:06.48 | Duesentrieb | in my case it's not a remote storage though. it's write-only. |
| 08:06.48 | lemma | Duesentrieb: I think it's more likely to work with ftp or dav. |
| 08:06.56 | Duesentrieb | the caledar needs to be pushed into dopplr. |
| 08:07.10 | Duesentrieb | DAV doesn't work. i tried. it's close, but not quite it. |
| 08:07.45 | Duesentrieb | anyway, thanks for the hints, i'll go and play with it a bit more |
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| 08:08.22 | lemma | good luck! |
| 08:08.30 | Duesentrieb | thanks :) |
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| 08:16.51 | Qu4Z | Hm... is there any way I can get left-clicking in a window to pass the click without activating or raising the window in 3.5.9? |
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| 08:26.34 | Zarin | Qu4Z, control center -> desktop -> window behavior -> window actions |
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| 08:29.12 | mtk | hi im using KDE 3.5 under gentoo, everytime i log out, it overwrites my ~/.fonts.conf file with crappy values.. any ideas? |
| 08:29.49 | jazka | make it non-writable :) |
| 08:30.07 | mtk | it enables font hinting and all these stuff that i dont want :S |
| 08:30.24 | mtk | where all i wanted is antialiasing and subpixel rendering :) |
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| 08:36.12 | linusaz | hello |
| 08:36.25 | linusaz | i guess this is the only room |
| 08:36.48 | linusaz | w |
| 08:36.49 | linusaz | # |
| 08:37.08 | linusaz | anyone here |
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| 08:39.36 | linusaz | sh you live in Venzula |
| 08:39.40 | linusaz | ? |
| 08:40.35 | linusaz | anyone using fedora. dang this room is quit |
| 08:40.37 | linusaz | :-D |
| 08:41.36 | lemmaway | linusaz: well, if everyone said hi once someone entered it would be quite busy - but flooded :) |
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| 09:12.53 | blackdeagle | hi, my friend just installed archlinux on my system. I am new to the linux world and he just forgot to set up some modules. For example, I have no sound. Amarok says (I have a german version): "xine couldn't initialise any sound driver" How the heck do I have to set it up?? Can someone help pls? |
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| 09:13.41 | annma | archlinux has no dependency system? |
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| 09:14.08 | annma | blackdeagle: usually your linux distribution ensures yo have everything you need to use the programs |
| 09:14.56 | blackdeagle | yeah but .. this distribution seems to not have everything included ^^ |
| 09:15.11 | Zarin | Arch does have a dependency system |
| 09:15.14 | Zarin | And it has everything |
| 09:15.25 | Zarin | It just isn't forceful |
| 09:15.36 | Zarin | Meaning it's easy to not set something up |
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| 09:16.03 | sebastian_ | hi all |
| 09:16.43 | blackdeagle | I don't know how to set things up because I used kubuntu for a couple of weeks before and it was pretty easy to use. My friend said archlinux was better and I just installed it |
| 09:17.06 | Zarin | Ask in #archlinux blackdeagle |
| 09:17.15 | blackdeagle | k thnx ^^ |
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| 09:17.34 | pinotree | (bottom line of the story: use something that _you_ like to use, not "my friend" does) |
| 09:18.51 | Zarin | pinotree, depends on how much he wanted to learn about Linux |
| 09:18.54 | Jucato | (unless said friend is the one that made you use it, and said friend should be willing to hand hold you through it) |
| 09:19.12 | Zarin | Arch's wiki is a goldmine |
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| 09:19.24 | Zarin | Has absolutely everything and you can't go wrong if you follow it |
| 09:19.28 | Jucato | emphasis on "mine" or on "gold"? :) |
| 09:19.33 | Jucato | oops, I was thinking "landmine" |
| 09:19.37 | Jucato | ignore me :P |
| 09:19.37 | Zarin | Hehe |
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| 09:19.57 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.04 | pinotree | oops, damn whitespace :P |
| 09:20.18 | Jucato | lol :) |
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| 09:20.28 | HalphaZ | hello |
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| 09:20.38 | sebastian_ | hi |
| 09:20.58 | HalphaZ | It's a while that kdenetwork doesn't compile to me (sorry for my poor english) |
| 09:21.27 | pinotree | version and error? |
| 09:21.30 | HalphaZ | http://rafb.net/p/ylRnhl48.html |
| 09:21.39 | HalphaZ | I'm compiling with kdesvn-build |
| 09:21.56 | HalphaZ | kde 4.2 from trunk |
| 09:24.29 | sebastian_ | i am a noob to fedora core 9 but i have an aspire 5315 and i cant get online with wifi some driver problems am i on the right place here to solve this problem |
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| 09:31.37 | gkiagia | sebastian_: nope, try #fedora |
| 09:33.39 | annma | HalphaZ: did you try with a new build dir? |
| 09:34.19 | HalphaZ | annma, a new build dir? Waht I colud do is delete old... |
| 09:34.24 | HalphaZ | the old one |
| 09:34.33 | gkiagia | HalphaZ: something seems wrong with the nx libs... kdenetwork/krdc/nx/nxclientthread.cpp:191: error: ââ¬Ëclass nxcl::NXClientLibââ¬â¢ has no member named ââ¬ËgetXIDââ¬â¢ |
| 09:35.28 | HalphaZ | here is my .kdesvn-buildrc file http://rafb.net/p/bvR4m734.html |
| 09:36.00 | annma | HalphaZ: first paste the output from make, not make -j2 |
| 09:36.14 | annma | second: http://developer.kde.org/~dirk/dashboard/ tells you the sate of the build |
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| 09:36.55 | HalphaZ | but http://developer.kde.org/~dirk/dashboard/ says that kdenetwork compiles |
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| 09:37.18 | gkiagia | HalphaZ: it's not a kdenetwork problem. you have too old nxcl library |
| 09:37.27 | gkiagia | probably... |
| 09:37.30 | annma | 3rd: paste in utf8 |
| 09:37.42 | annma | 4th: rm build dir and retry |
| 09:37.53 | annma | and look at cmake output |
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| 09:38.12 | sebastian_ | the driver is installed |
| 09:38.45 | sebastian_ | but i cant look for wifi connections |
| 09:38.56 | annma | a very first thing to know HalphaZ is to pastebin the result of "make" and not "make -jN" N>1 |
| 09:39.25 | HalphaZ | annma, ok |
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| 09:43.14 | gkiagia | sebastian_: as I told you, this is not the right place to ask questions about wifi.. try #fedora |
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| 11:17.04 | m_tadeu | hi everyone |
| 11:18.00 | m_tadeu | I change my desktop to act as folder(kde4)...how do I change ir back? |
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| 11:21.46 | icycube | hi |
| 11:22.10 | icycube | what is "nepomukserver" for? because it crashes everytime i logout from kde4 |
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| 11:23.44 | Duesentrieb | hi again |
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| 11:24.06 | Duesentrieb | what exactly is the relation between KOrganizer and Kontact? do they interact in some way? |
| 11:24.16 | Duesentrieb | is it possible to share a calendar between them? |
| 11:24.56 | thiago_home | Kontact embeds KOrganizer |
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| 11:25.37 | marko_d | is there an bluethoot kio slave? |
| 11:25.56 | thiago_home | yes |
| 11:25.57 | Duesentrieb | thiago_home: oh? oh, yes, it does - thanks :) |
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| 11:32.14 | tstaerk_ | marko_d, yes, obex |
| 11:33.18 | tstaerk_ | err, and bluetooth |
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| 11:43.06 | lxsameer | where is the path of saved session in kde3 |
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| 11:47.24 | lxsameer | all :^ |
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| 11:49.57 | PhilRod | lxsameer: it's in ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc and ~/.kde/share/config/session |
| 11:50.19 | PhilRod | I don't quite understand the format, but those are the relevant places |
| 11:50.32 | Smurfslover | $kdehome/share/config/session |
| 11:50.53 | Smurfslover | cause i have a .kde3 and a .kde4 |
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| 11:51.08 | Smurfslover | and in ubuntu 8.10 .kde is used for kde4 |
| 11:51.19 | Smurfslover | kubuntu 8.10 will have kde4 bu default |
| 11:51.25 | lxsameer | philrod : each time i start kde one session begin to load . that session is for long time ago but each time load |
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| 11:52.04 | Smurfslover | you saved it manually? |
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| 11:53.23 | lxsameer | no |
| 11:54.00 | Smurfslover | go to kcontrol and search the session manager |
| 11:54.09 | spectral | i also have this weird problem.. every time i log in krusader autostarts. no matter if i close it before logout or not. I guess it's related to sessions somehow, but no clue where to disable it |
| 11:54.32 | Smurfslover | there you can choose to restore previous session, to manually save a session or to start with an empty session |
| 11:55.01 | Smurfslover | automatically restoring session is always tricky |
| 11:55.07 | lxsameer | Smurfslover : i know that . but when i switch that to load last session it happen again |
| 11:55.18 | Smurfslover | it might restore zombie processes as well as healthy ones |
| 11:55.30 | spectral | oh.. this might be it.. |
| 11:55.47 | spectral | i noticed there is always a krusader zombie in the background.. |
| 11:55.57 | Smurfslover | then try removing all in $kdehome/share/config/session |
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| 11:56.18 | Smurfslover | spectral: just start once with an empty session then use restore again |
| 11:56.43 | spectral | i did that, but same thing happened hehe |
| 11:57.03 | spectral | anyway.. maybe if i logout with krusader kill -9'd it'll save a better session |
| 11:57.16 | Smurfslover | zombie processes, sometimes difficult to get rid of |
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| 11:58.23 | spectral | thanks for the help |
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| 12:02.37 | mrxmike | is there a 'command' i can run to unfold the K menu? |
| 12:03.49 | MinceR | there might be a dcop call to kicker to do it |
| 12:04.20 | mrxmike1 | im using kde4 |
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| 12:04.51 | sandsmark | try dbus then |
| 12:04.57 | sandsmark | qdbusviewer is nice |
| 12:05.17 | mrxmike1 | i have no clue on how to opperate that...... |
| 12:05.26 | sandsmark | click on the menu, then |
| 12:05.53 | mrxmike1 | i do have it installed.... |
| 12:07.13 | mrxmike1 | sandsmark: nahh.. i want to be able to unfold it while im using compiz |
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| 12:08.40 | sandsmark | well, compiz is still pre-1.0-software (also known as unstable) |
| 12:08.41 | spectral | heh still tries to start krusader.. this time it didn't succeed though for some reason :P oh well |
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| 12:20.14 | jones- | Hello everybody. I've been trying kde4 for a couple of days, and I have to admit that it looks awesome. Thanks for the good work! |
| 12:20.57 | mfwitten | annma, Jucato, sandsmark, others: Cause for celebration! Dolphin's running on [my] Mac OS X! |
| 12:20.57 | thiago_home | thanks |
| 12:21.17 | Jucato | mfwitten: nice :) |
| 12:21.19 | jones- | I also have a question I'd like to ask. I tried the desktop effects, and although they work fine, I was expecting (from the rumors) they'd be faster, but unfortunately on my machine they don't perform as well as compiz on gnome. Is there something I can improve on my setup or I just have to live with it? |
| 12:22.24 | bonsaikitten | jones-: nvidia card with nvidia binary drivers? :) |
| 12:22.47 | spectral | oh here we go again with the nvidia hate |
| 12:22.51 | jones- | bonsaikitten: no, ATI card. |
| 12:22.54 | annma | mfwitten: yeah!!!!!!!! |
| 12:22.58 | bonsaikitten | spectral: not hate, just experience |
| 12:23.17 | spectral | on another note, favourites in application launcher doesn't seem to update.. any ideas? |
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| 12:23.33 | jones- | bonsaikitten: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300], to be exact. |
| 12:24.17 | bonsaikitten | ooh. that sounds familiar |
| 12:24.27 | thiago_home | spectral: NVidia makes very good cards, but crappy drivers (at least from our point of view) |
| 12:24.30 | bonsaikitten | slowly backs away from the evil memories |
| 12:24.31 | sandsmark | spectral: kbuildsycoca4 --no-incremental |
| 12:24.45 | Jucato | sandsmark: no '-' |
| 12:24.47 | spectral | sandsmark: thanks |
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| 12:25.07 | spectral | no? :P |
| 12:25.15 | Jucato | --noincremental |
| 12:25.23 | spectral | ah |
| 12:25.24 | sandsmark | Jucato: thanks |
| 12:25.25 | sandsmark | =) |
| 12:26.10 | jones- | I also have a question about Katapult: how do I browse the available options if the text I have typed is ambiguous? |
| 12:26.18 | jones- | (in gnome-do I'd press the Down arrow) |
| 12:26.26 | Jucato | jones-: you can't :) |
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| 12:26.32 | sandsmark | katapult isn't an official kde app |
| 12:26.39 | sandsmark | in krunner in kde4 you can browse =) |
| 12:26.40 | Jucato | you have to make in unambiguous (type more letters) |
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| 12:27.07 | jones- | Jucato: oh, But if I type Firefox, it dosn't give me Customize Firefox, and not the browser :/ |
| 12:27.29 | Jucato | jones-: try "moz..." instead |
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| 12:28.21 | jones- | Jucato: yeah, but that wasn't my point :) Thanks, anyhow :) |
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| 12:28.43 | Jucato | jones-: I know. my point was to make it unambiguous... but in the end, katapult can't do it :) |
| 12:28.59 | Jucato | but since you're on KDE 4 anyway, krunner is a better launcher (for now) |
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| 12:29.08 | jones- | So, back to the effects topic, any way I could improve the performance? |
| 12:29.28 | jones- | Jucato: oh krunner looks really nice! |
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| 12:30.12 | sandsmark | jones-: http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/GPU-Performance |
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| 12:30.23 | Rapp | why do dashboard widgets also appear on the desktop? that sort of does not make sense |
| 12:30.38 | jones- | sandsmark: thanks. |
| 12:30.52 | sandsmark | Rapp: ? |
| 12:30.59 | Jucato | ("because KDE isn't OS X" would be one answer) |
| 12:31.38 | Rapp | any more answers? :) |
| 12:31.41 | sandsmark | Rapp: because the "dashboard" is just an easy way to view the plasmoids on the desktop? |
| 12:32.03 | pulaki7 | i love this song:) |
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| 12:32.23 | Rapp | sandsmark: but i do not want any plasmoids on the desktop. i want some documents or program links there, and a dashboard on a hotkey. "like macos x"... :) |
| 12:32.25 | pulaki7 | i love my sybil:) |
| 12:33.03 | pulaki7 | she is a cutie:) |
| 12:33.27 | Jucato | pulaki7: and this is related to #kde how? |
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| 12:34.55 | Rapp | one other question: where do i find the global shortcuts? in kde 3, you could define general hotkeys, which i used e.g. for running scripts etc. |
| 12:35.12 | pulaki7 | is this john |
| 12:35.32 | Rapp | also, where can i set the key for showing the menu? it used to be alt+f1 with my old kde 3.5 |
| 12:35.52 | Jucato | Rapp: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts or Advanced tab -> Input Actions (broken at the moment) |
| 12:35.57 | pulaki7 | i have a universial remote control |
| 12:35.58 | Rapp | found the answer to my first question... advanced tab |
| 12:36.02 | Jucato | It is still alt+f1 but that's broekn |
| 12:36.06 | Rapp | input actions are broken? |
| 12:36.08 | Rapp | oh |
| 12:36.12 | Jucato | khotkeys to be exact |
| 12:36.13 | Rapp | too bad |
| 12:36.22 | Rapp | why's that? was it broken in 4.0, too? |
| 12:36.29 | pulaki7 | man where is breakfest lol |
| 12:36.50 | pulaki7 | i wanna go to dukes road house |
| 12:36.51 | pulaki7 | lol |
| 12:37.06 | Jucato | pulaki7: this is #kde for KDE user support.; this is not a chit-chat channel |
| 12:37.10 | Jucato | Rapp: yep |
| 12:37.17 | pulaki7 | shut the fuck up |
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| 12:37.52 | Rapp | Jucato: ok. also, i just managed to crash plasma, by removing one widget / plasmoid... :) |
| 12:38.03 | Rapp | too bad i do not have debug symbols installed at the moment |
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| 12:38.44 | paolo | hi. is there a movie demo which shows what is possible to do with kde4 ? |
| 12:38.55 | thiago_home | everything is possible |
| 12:38.57 | Rapp | phew, and the 'run command' window does not show, as soon as kwin effects are on. |
| 12:39.01 | Rapp | so many bugs to check... :) |
| 12:39.12 | annma | paolo: youtube.com has plenty, just search |
| 12:39.29 | paolo | annma: i know that... i wonder if there's an official kde demo |
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| 12:40.09 | annma | nothing "official" |
| 12:40.21 | annma | but there's nobody "official" in kde |
| 12:40.32 | Jejem | it's not a government :p |
| 12:41.48 | sandsmark | so the guy who comes over to collect kde taxes is just a filthy liar? |
| 12:41.55 | annma | lol |
| 12:42.47 | Jucato | sandsmark: nope. |
| 12:42.52 | Jucato | I hired him to harass you |
| 12:43.34 | sandsmark | ah, that explains his exquisite taste when it comes to harpoons |
| 12:44.11 | Jucato | harpoons? darn it I told him to use poisoned arrows! |
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| 12:45.17 | paolo | too much videos on youtube. i'm searching an organic video gallery of kde4 features. like a visual tutorial |
| 12:45.29 | annma | sure |
| 12:45.48 | annma | you can just read KDE announcements I think |
| 12:46.07 | annma | unfortunately we do not have a promo team which does such videos |
| 12:46.17 | annma | we should but we don't |
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| 12:46.30 | mfwitten | Anybody know why konqueror might have given the following when trying to load reddit.com: |
| 12:46.31 | mfwitten | There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is: QLibrary::resolve_sys: Symbol "init_libkhtmlpart" undefined in /usr/local/kde4/lib/kde4/libkhtmlpart.so (invalid handle passed to dlsym()) |
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| 12:46.58 | mfwitten | Do I have wrong versions? |
| 12:47.16 | paolo | annma: i understand that commercial things are different than open ones. but this is not marketing, it's just a way of showing features |
| 12:48.02 | Jucato | paolo: "marketing" isn't limited to commercial things ;) |
| 12:48.15 | annma | paolo: yes but videos are time demanding |
| 12:48.22 | paolo | annma: i see |
| 12:48.31 | annma | personally I am not able to do any |
| 12:48.42 | annma | I have not the skills |
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| 12:52.29 | kishore | what exactly is the meaning of "invoke code completion" in the tools menu of kwrite? |
| 12:52.39 | kishore | i understand in kdevelop but kwrite? |
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| 12:55.19 | Jucato | kishore: 1. I don't see it anywhere in the Tools menu of KWrite KDE 4. 2. KWrite is also being used as a coding text editor by people. 3. KWrite, Kate, and KDevelop all use the same text editor part (katepart) |
| 12:56.05 | kishore | Jucato: i understand that but here when i launch kwrite (not kdevelop) i get this menu option |
| 12:56.26 | Jucato | KDE 3's KWrite? |
| 12:56.28 | kishore | i have all kdebase and kdevelop compiled from trunk |
| 12:56.39 | Jucato | ah dunno in trunk |
| 12:57.15 | kishore | Jucato: so its not there in 4.1? |
| 12:57.34 | Jucato | nope |
| 12:57.34 | kishore | regression then or kdevelop managed to introduce it! |
| 12:57.41 | Jucato | or a plugin |
| 12:58.03 | kishore | plugin in kwrite? i though only kate supported plugins |
| 12:58.19 | Jucato | check again :) |
| 12:58.38 | Jucato | there are kwrite plugins, there are kate plugins |
| 12:59.03 | Jucato | kwrite might be simple, but it's not as "simple" as you might think. it's not notepad (thank $DEITY for that) |
| 12:59.21 | kishore | oh yes... you are right |
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| 13:00.13 | kishore | Jucato: anyway there are three plugins listed and all disabled |
| 13:00.18 | Jucato | kishore: try asking in #kate |
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| 13:00.22 | Jucato | I don't run trunk so I don't know |
| 13:00.32 | kishore | sure |
| 13:00.36 | Jucato | you could be right that kdevelop might have brought it in |
| 13:00.37 | kishore | thanks |
| 13:00.48 | Jucato | (but I doubt that it was put into kwrite code itself) |
| 13:01.10 | kishore | in either case i would call it a bug |
| 13:01.15 | kishore | thanks |
| 13:01.20 | arezey | $DEITY? |
| 13:01.27 | Jucato | certainly wouldn't |
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| 13:02.14 | Jucato | kishore: like I said, kwrite and kate are also used by programmers that don't want a full IDE just to get basic features (such as code completion perhaps) |
| 13:02.54 | arezey | like me. |
| 13:02.55 | kishore | Jucato: kate might do that. not kwrite which is aimed at being a simple editor |
| 13:03.47 | Jucato | kishore: I might disagree (kwrite is a text editor with a simple "shell", not simple features. besides, katepart forms the basis of all the three I mentioned). but ultimately it is the devs who decide |
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| 13:04.06 | Jucato | arezey: $DEITY = substitute whatever god you prefer, or leave blank :) |
| 13:04.19 | arezey | ah, heh. |
| 13:04.26 | arezey | me thought it was an acronym. |
| 13:04.28 | Jucato | shell variables ;) |
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| 13:04.58 | arezey | has no $DEITY set. |
| 13:05.04 | Rapp | lots of questions today: how do i set the taskbar to show only programs from the current desktop? i only found the setting for the taskswitcher |
| 13:05.39 | Jucato | Rapp: right-click on an empty space of teh taskbar to get the Task Manager Settings option |
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| 13:06.29 | Rapp | uh, ok. it was a bit hard to find an empty spot. now i found it! thanks |
| 13:06.41 | cb400f | Does anyone have experience with radeon 9600 gfxcard, with free radeon driver and kwin effects and minor 3d games likes torcs, I'm thinking about buying a laptop, and wonder if I can expect reasonable performance (without using the blob) |
| 13:07.23 | Rapp | radeon 9600? that is quite an old chip. are you planning to buy a used machine? |
| 13:07.36 | cb400f | yeah... old thinkpad t42 |
| 13:07.51 | tuxick | cb400f: i think i had that card, and the performance can only be described as "pathetic" |
| 13:07.56 | tuxick | even 2D is dog slow |
| 13:08.00 | tuxick | i'll check, sec |
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| 13:08.34 | tuxick | ow, it's a 9800 |
| 13:08.59 | bonsaikitten | gah. someone please fix konsole with tab behaviour :) |
| 13:09.01 | cb400f | hmm, ok |
| 13:09.18 | bonsaikitten | it's changing window size on tab switch, which can be really annoying |
| 13:09.28 | Rapp | i always had problems with the open source radeon driver. it was not very stable. i am running it on a 9200SE. but using 2D only nowadays, since 3D was so instable. |
| 13:09.38 | Rapp | konsole has lots of bugs... |
| 13:09.55 | Rapp | i think i will be using konsole from kde3 for the time being :) |
| 13:10.05 | tuxick | sec, i'll see about my previous card that DID work |
| 13:10.14 | tuxick | Rapp: like? |
| 13:10.22 | tuxick | i never have problems with konsole |
| 13:10.39 | bonsaikitten | well, it only happens when you use tabs and resize it :) |
| 13:10.51 | tuxick | cb400f: sorry, my previous card was a 9500, that worked ok even with open source driver |
| 13:10.59 | bonsaikitten | notes that there are few killer bugs, just lots of small usability issues |
| 13:11.00 | tuxick | so i can't tell |
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| 13:11.11 | jazka | and all the windows won't get saved on the session, like I have one konsole open on every desktop, only the first one gets restored on login |
| 13:11.13 | tuxick | bonsaikitten: like? |
| 13:11.32 | tuxick | usually if something has a bug i immediately run into it |
| 13:11.32 | bonsaikitten | tuxick: focus follows mouse is buggy, konsole resizes on tab switch |
| 13:11.41 | tuxick | hmm |
| 13:11.42 | Rapp | tuxick: it forgets about my profiles, starts up with default profile, ... the profile dialog looks totally broken. :) mainly profile problems obviously |
| 13:11.47 | bonsaikitten | krunner doesn't list all completions |
| 13:11.53 | bonsaikitten | small things. |
| 13:12.02 | tuxick | funny |
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| 13:12.14 | maazu | i have Radeon Mobility 2300 |
| 13:12.20 | cb400f | tuxick: ok.. maybe 9800 has the r500 chip.. the one that works good is r300.. but the 9500 was ok for desktop effects and some small 3d games? |
| 13:12.22 | Rapp | some unnamed empty profile is also always there, no matter how often i delete it |
| 13:12.29 | bonsaikitten | tuxick: hit alt-f2, type "ko" and note the absence of konsole ... once you type "kons" it's there |
| 13:12.51 | tuxick | cb400f: yes, even the 3D was quite ok, especially for an open source one |
| 13:12.58 | Sput | bonsaikitten: I am confident you filed bugs at the appropriate places? |
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| 13:13.05 | cb400f | cool, thanks |
| 13:13.18 | bonsaikitten | Sput: your confidence is misplaced |
| 13:13.21 | maazu | lsmod shows default radeon driver supplied by Fedora 9 |
| 13:13.24 | tuxick | bonsaikitten: ooh, is that a konsole issue? i thought it was fs/drive waking up |
| 13:13.28 | Jucato | bonsaikitten: krunner lists konsole here |
| 13:13.29 | tuxick | that's an annoying one indeed |
| 13:13.47 | tuxick | only happens sometimes, and always after being idle for a while |
| 13:13.57 | Jucato | bonsaikitten: here's one konsole magic for you: split view left/right then split view top/bottom |
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| 13:14.02 | bonsaikitten | hmm, intriguing. |
| 13:14.06 | bonsaikitten | Jucato: why would I do that? |
| 13:14.18 | Jucato | bonsaikitten: "split views" |
| 13:14.28 | Jucato | (if you're familiar with them in Konqueror) |
| 13:14.34 | bonsaikitten | Jucato: why would I do that when I have focus-follows-mouse? |
| 13:14.44 | Jucato | hm? |
| 13:14.50 | bonsaikitten | neat feature, but not my cup of tea |
| 13:15.06 | Sput | not my bottle of beer either |
| 13:15.08 | Jucato | (how are they related?) |
| 13:15.19 | Jucato | it's just fun to see how konsole dances when you split views :) |
| 13:15.31 | maazu | Jucato: old timers from Xwindows... |
| 13:15.42 | Rapp | hm, SDL fullscreen is incompatible with kwin effects |
| 13:15.47 | Sput | uses yakuake |
| 13:15.52 | maazu | Jucato: oops, i mean OpenWindows |
| 13:15.54 | Rapp | gives just a dark / black screen with scummvm. |
| 13:16.08 | Rapp | might be SDL's fault... |
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| 13:16.19 | Jucato | Sput: me too. (un)fortunately Yakuake implements split views correctly. so no dancing :) |
| 13:16.26 | bonsaikitten | Jucato: f-f-m allows me to stack windows as I need them, so currently I have fullscreen IRC with two konsoles, licq and konq layered over it |
| 13:16.38 | Sput | Jucato: yeah, damn devs fixing bugs :/ |
| 13:16.40 | Rapp | is there a "fake" fullscreen function in kwin? using opengl to just 'maximize' the contents by scaling? |
| 13:16.41 | bonsaikitten | and if I want to see the full window I just let it pop to front :) |
| 13:17.15 | Jucato | bonsaikitten: ok. I wasn't actually saying it was a feature you could/should use. I was just adding to your list of konsole annoyances :) |
| 13:17.30 | Jucato | but I forgot that humor gets lost over TCP/IP |
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| 13:17.44 | bonsaikitten | I use UDP you insensitive clod! ;) |
| 13:18.00 | Jucato | for IRC? hm.. didn't know that |
| 13:18.03 | hays | i am slow using a computer because I have three different interfaces to adapt to. Windows, Mac, and Linux. its kinda weird. my use of all different sorts of software has actually made me work slower |
| 13:18.22 | hays | i sometimes watch windows users who that's all they use and they are so fast.. heh |
| 13:18.46 | maazu | grumbles |
| 13:18.46 | Sput | hays: well, get rid of inferior OSes like windows and macos |
| 13:18.50 | maazu | hays have a point |
| 13:19.04 | hays | well i can't get rid of windows |
| 13:19.10 | hays | work uses it |
| 13:19.11 | maazu | take printing with windows for instance |
| 13:19.15 | maazu | soo easy |
| 13:19.24 | hays | CUPS isn't bad |
| 13:19.25 | Sput | well, then you'll need to be persuasive at your workplace :p |
| 13:19.26 | maazu | now do printing with linux |
| 13:19.39 | Sput | maazu: hmm, select "Print", press OK, get sheet of paper out of printer |
| 13:19.46 | Sput | what could be easier? |
| 13:19.52 | hays | mind control |
| 13:20.11 | Sput | hays: hmmm, don't forget privacy issues with that |
| 13:20.24 | Rapp | also try to print a pdf from within windows. :) feature comes for free with kde... |
| 13:20.25 | hays | printing can be a beotch if you have a poorly supported printer though |
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| 13:20.32 | bonsaikitten | Sput: noone wants to see into your wicked mind ;) |
| 13:21.04 | Sput | hays: well, there's a reason that I select both my workplace and my hardware in such a way that I can work with the best tools available rather than with windows :p |
| 13:21.08 | hays | and as far as macos. I like it. its like a polished linux, admittedly with less flare and individuality. But I like it :) |
| 13:21.23 | pinotree | suggests #kde-chat for the discussion |
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| 13:31.08 | clone1701 | Hey all, i have a question about Kate (koffice) -- is this the right channel or is there a koffice one? |
| 13:31.24 | Jucato | kate isn't part of koffice |
| 13:31.36 | clone1701 | oh, i thought it was the base for it |
| 13:31.47 | clone1701 | i just have a kate question then |
| 13:31.58 | annma | kate is just an editor, not a word processor |
| 13:32.05 | clone1701 | Yes. okay |
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| 13:32.35 | clone1701 | so my question is, is there an embedded ftp browser for kate? ( i know i can mount a remote location and do it that way ) |
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| 13:32.53 | humbolt | How can I sort my icons on a kde4 desktop? |
| 13:32.54 | mfwitten | Does KDE4 not have a kde-config. libkipi wants it. |
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| 13:33.54 | Jucato | kde4 has kde4-config |
| 13:34.18 | Walex | clone1701: all KDE programs use KIO slaves. Including Kate. |
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| 13:34.24 | Jucato | clone1701: you can browse through any directory, local or remote, in the file dialog |
| 13:34.54 | Jucato | actually there's also a Filesystem Browser sidebar in kate |
| 13:35.00 | clone1701 | Right i know that |
| 13:35.07 | clone1701 | I want it to browse like ftp://site.com |
| 13:35.10 | clone1701 | directly |
| 13:35.18 | clone1701 | via the filebrowser sidebar |
| 13:35.23 | Jucato | so put it in the location bar |
| 13:35.25 | clone1701 | without having to set up a remote location first |
| 13:35.32 | clone1701 | oh really? |
| 13:35.38 | Jucato | er.. type in the URL |
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| 13:35.50 | Jucato | same as in the file dialogs (open/save) |
| 13:35.50 | humbolt | I have the following problem. There are so many icons on my desktop, that some of them are under the panel. Now, when I hover over items in my window-list in the panel, which have Desktop icons beneath it, I get some weird flickering, as the edit icon thing on the desktop appears |
| 13:35.50 | clone1701 | nice!!! |
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| 13:36.07 | Jucato | that has been one of KDE's selling features :) |
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| 13:37.01 | Rapp | is there a way to view storage devices in dolphin? there was a media:/ section in konqueror... |
| 13:37.02 | humbolt | how can I get rid of all the icons on my desktop |
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| 13:37.46 | clone1701 | Jucato: you (and kde) made my day. |
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| 13:38.16 | Jucato | Rapp: attached devices should be at the Places panel in Dolphin. |
| 13:39.26 | Rapp | Jucato: they aren't ... |
| 13:39.37 | Rapp | or are they? let me see |
| 13:40.17 | Jucato | attached/mounted/mountable drives |
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| 13:40.34 | mfwitten | Ah! |
| 13:40.42 | mfwitten | kde4-config is what it's called now |
| 13:40.50 | Jucato | for kde4, yes |
| 13:40.52 | Rapp | ah ok. if i insert a cd, the drive appears. ok. |
| 13:41.06 | mfwitten | Jucato: So what am I supposed to do with the libkipi source, hack the configure script? |
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| 13:41.20 | Jucato | where are you getting that libkipi source? |
| 13:41.51 | Rapp | what about some sort of network places? i have a bunch of ssh/sftp servers. in kde3 i used to have them in some network places tab in the sidebar. can i do something similar with dolphin? |
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| 13:42.13 | Rapp | related: can i put "places" and "folder" into on tabbed sidebar? |
| 13:42.23 | Jucato | Rapp: there's a Network entry in the Places panel too |
| 13:42.30 | mfwitten | Jucato: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kipi/libkipi-0.1.5.tar.bz2 |
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| 13:42.58 | mfwitten | Jucato: I guess svn is necessary |
| 13:43.09 | Jucato | mfwitten: dunno where you got that from (or why you got it from there). libkipi for KDE 4 is part of kdegraphics |
| 13:43.16 | Jucato | Rapp: I didn't understand that last question |
| 13:43.21 | mfwitten | http://www.kipi-plugins.org/drupal/node/4 |
| 13:43.27 | pinotree | mfwitten: especially when that version is for kde3 |
| 13:43.34 | mfwitten | Jucato: That's where I got it |
| 13:43.37 | Sho_ | Rapp: yes, you can |
| 13:43.48 | Sho_ | Rapp: Just drag them onto the same slot |
| 13:43.53 | Sho_ | pinotree: ignoring my queries today? ;) |
| 13:43.54 | mfwitten | Jucato: Well, onto kdegraphics then! |
| 13:44.09 | pinotree | Sho_: no, just enqueued |
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| 13:44.17 | Rapp | Jucato: network places -- in that place, i can only generate SSH connections via fish, not sftp, which is much better. |
| 13:44.29 | Sho_ | pinotree: you need more braincores for increased parallel execution! |
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| 13:44.53 | Sho_ | Rapp: you can manually edit the .desktop files it generates and change the URL from fish:// to sftp:// |
| 13:45.20 | Sho_ | Rapp: They're placed in .kde/share/apps/knetattach/ somewhere iirc |
| 13:45.24 | Rapp | Sho_: ok. good workaround. inconvenient though := |
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| 13:46.05 | Rapp | Jucato: i mean, the "places" and "folders" subwindow in dolphin. they are usually docked. that consumes too much space. i want to have them ordered using some form of tabbed widget. like in konqueror 3 |
| 13:46.29 | Jucato | Rapp: oh sure. I have them tabbed |
| 13:46.32 | Rapp | ah, i can do that by dragging the subwindow ontop of the other |
| 13:46.34 | Sho_ | Rapp: as I said, just drag them onto the same slot |
| 13:46.36 | Jucato | unfortunately tabs are only at the bottom |
| 13:46.43 | Rapp | that is not so good |
| 13:46.53 | Jucato | not that bad either :) |
| 13:46.55 | Solv | I'm using KDE-4.1.1, and i have lost my home folder and network icons from the 'places' toolbar. I have removed all dolphinrc files I can find...uninstalled and reinstalled...but still they are missing...anyone know what else i have to remove to reset back to defaults? |
| 13:46.59 | Rapp | tabs at the side would be more space efficient, for several tabs |
| 13:47.08 | Solv | sorry in kde4-dolphin |
| 13:47.12 | Jucato | Rapp: Dolphin isn't Konqueror :) |
| 13:47.27 | Rapp | Jucato: unfortunately... :) |
| 13:47.27 | hyper_ch | anyone knows if KATE is being ported to windows? |
| 13:47.36 | Jucato | Rapp: fortunately! :) |
| 13:47.48 | Rapp | why? |
| 13:48.05 | Jucato | Rapp: because you have two choices instead of being forced to have one :) |
| 13:48.24 | Jucato | Solv: ~/.kde4/share/apps/kfileplaces/ (or ~/.kde, depending on how your distro sets it up) |
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| 13:48.35 | Jucato | Rapp: make that three, if you add krusader :P |
| 13:48.37 | Rapp | grr... the network folders suck. big time. my ssh server does not work with fish. now i cannot even generate a connection to change it to sftp! |
| 13:49.09 | Jucato | hyper_ch: you might want to ask in #kate or #kde-windows |
| 13:49.13 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 13:49.26 | hyper_ch | Jucato: there's something about kde you don't know? ^^ |
| 13:49.31 | Solv | Jucato, will dolphin auto-create these if i remove them? |
| 13:49.41 | Jucato | hyper_ch: yep. a lot :) |
| 13:49.53 | Jucato | Solv: afaik, yes. but are you sure that those entries weren't just hidden? |
| 13:50.11 | Solv | Jucato, if they were....then how the hell do i unhide the, |
| 13:50.13 | Solv | them |
| 13:50.31 | Jucato | Solv: right-click on the panel -> Show All Entries |
| 13:50.41 | Jucato | if you can't right-click, then there are no hidden entries |
| 13:51.09 | Solv | ah |
| 13:51.16 | Solv | i was about to say....'nothing happens' |
| 13:51.20 | Jucato | :P |
| 13:51.33 | Jucato | I R fast :) |
| 13:52.02 | Rapp | .kde4/share/apps/remoteview/ is the location of the network connections... |
| 13:52.12 | clone1701 | FACT |
| 13:52.41 | Solv | Jucato, yeeha...had to remove bookmarks.xml.tbcache...as well as bookmarks.xml...recreated now |
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| 13:53.39 | Rapp | hehe... error dialogs are also still funny :) got an empty dialog box with a "!" |
| 13:54.09 | Rapp | plus dolphin crashes all the time... *sigh* |
| 13:54.31 | Sho_ | hasn't had a single Dolphin crash so far |
| 13:54.51 | pinotree | sends SIGFPE to Sho_'s dolphin |
| 13:54.55 | Jucato | oh I had crashes before with video previews |
| 13:55.27 | Rapp | try the following: enter some sftp:// URL in the adress bar of dolphin. afte successfully connecting, drag that url to your places window. crash. |
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| 13:55.34 | Sho_ | my video previews are provided by a third-party add-on called mplayerthumbs ... no problems |
| 13:55.38 | hyper_ch | I have to say Dolpin loads quicker than Konqui but I just love Konqui so much more |
| 13:55.53 | hyper_ch | Rapp: sftp:// ? Not fish:// ? |
| 13:56.16 | Rapp | fish is bad, sftp rocks. fish does not support resume and is slow, also relies on some perlscript on the host. |
| 13:56.37 | Rapp | err on the server |
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| 14:01.25 | Rapp | ok, bug report did already exist for that: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157283 |
| 14:03.40 | humbolt | how can I cleanup my desktop in kde4? |
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| 14:05.49 | luiss | ciao |
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| 14:23.16 | junkDawgie | yesterday i discovered that the plasma applet FolderView is directly tied to the home file directory.... the items are NOT shortcuts, if you delete a icon.. that folder or file is removed to trash or deleted depending on the action |
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| 14:23.22 | junkDawgie | did not expect that |
| 14:23.44 | Half-Left | Tried how? |
| 14:24.03 | junkDawgie | i removed a folder from the applet display |
| 14:24.22 | Half-Left | Well yes, thats what it's for |
| 14:24.55 | Half-Left | Bascially does what dolphin does |
| 14:25.00 | junkDawgie | i'd disagree... most people expect the icon to be a shortcut and by removing it the item is still there |
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| 14:25.27 | Half-Left | Only on the desktop |
| 14:25.45 | Jucato | junkDawgie: that's not how desktop icons even in KDE 3 worked unless you *explicitly* made them as shortcuts/links |
| 14:25.48 | Half-Left | Why should it be shortcuts if they are not shortcuts? |
| 14:25.55 | junkDawgie | i'd expect it to behave like a desktop shortcut... most people would |
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| 14:26.18 | Half-Left | Why would you? |
| 14:26.24 | junkDawgie | understood Jucato |
| 14:26.36 | Half-Left | Thats what Aaron was saying about it |
| 14:26.36 | Jucato | (and it's not tied to the "home" directory. it's tied to any directory you set it to if you set it to that directory) |
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| 14:26.56 | pinotree | "most people"... oh nice, another "what i think is what everybody else will do!" guy |
| 14:26.59 | Jucato | basically nothing has changed except that the "Desktop" is at the moment enclosed in an applet |
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| 14:27.14 | Jucato | the behavior is still the same |
| 14:27.25 | Jucato | (oh, and that you can display folder other than ~/Desktop) |
| 14:27.39 | Half-Left | Yes thats thats why Aaron said end of desktop icons |
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| 14:27.54 | Half-Left | because effectively it is |
| 14:28.16 | Jucato | (actually I think he also said that to get attention.. but had some negative effects.. but I don't read his mind :) |
| 14:28.24 | junkDawgie | so if you are trying to unclutter your desktop.... you'd have to do it another way |
| 14:28.53 | Half-Left | Well Folder View stops the clutting |
| 14:29.17 | Jucato | junkDawgie: depends on what you mean by "unclutter", and how you did that in the past |
| 14:29.28 | junkDawgie | perzactly |
| 14:29.38 | Jucato | hm? |
| 14:29.47 | Jucato | precisely/exactly what? |
| 14:29.53 | junkDawgie | precisely exactly |
| 14:29.57 | Jucato | (that was supposed to be a question) |
| 14:30.10 | Jucato | like "what do you mean by "unclutter" and how do you do it in the past?" |
| 14:30.21 | Jucato | to which the answer shouldn't be "precisely exactly" |
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| 14:30.48 | junkDawgie | the desktop icons were a link and by deleting the icon from the desktop the only thing remove was the link |
| 14:30.58 | Half-Left | Putting icons on the desktop is Clutter, plasma overcomes that with Folder View |
| 14:31.00 | Jucato | wrong answer :) |
| 14:31.01 | junkDawgie | the app or folder was still there |
| 14:31.06 | pinotree | nope |
| 14:31.31 | pinotree | in kde3, if i drag a file from the file manager to the desktop and i choose "move file", the file *is |
| 14:31.44 | Jucato | when you made a "link" on your desktop, you're actually putting a file in the ~/Desktop folder. also, when you make a link, you specifically make "Make a Link" or "Create shortcut" |
| 14:31.44 | pinotree | .. *is* in the ~/Desktop directory |
| 14:31.53 | pinotree | and if i remove it, it is deleted from there |
| 14:32.07 | Jucato | "prezactly!" |
| 14:32.19 | junkDawgie | okay... propellor heads... stick with your perception of the easiest way for most people to handle it... i offered it as an observation |
| 14:32.40 | pinotree | junkDawgie: please wash your mouth, before giving suggestions, ok? |
| 14:32.48 | Half-Left | What dont you get about it, is it really that hard to grasp? |
| 14:32.52 | Jucato | junkDawgie: if you're going to insist on "that's how it works", please make sure first that "that's how it works" |
| 14:33.14 | junkDawgie | point noted.... i won't attempt again |
| 14:33.23 | Rapp | kaffeine is not available yet in kde 4.1, or is it? any other mediaplayer? |
| 14:33.24 | Half-Left | No please do |
| 14:33.43 | Jucato | Rapp: dragon player is the default in 4.1. not sure if the kaffeine port is done |
| 14:34.00 | Half-Left | junkDawgie: No please do but just make sure you get the original Idea first because tell us how it should work |
| 14:34.01 | Jucato | there's also kplayer and kmplayer, though not sure whether those have stable releases already |
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| 14:35.46 | sandsmark | kaffeine isn't ported yet |
| 14:35.50 | sandsmark | smplayer is also very nice |
| 14:36.08 | Jucato | for a Qt player :) |
| 14:36.13 | Jucato | (unless it went KDE now) |
| 14:36.33 | Half-Left | still Qt player |
| 14:36.37 | sandsmark | I think it's Qt, but it rivals the official GTK interface, or so I've heard =) |
| 14:36.44 | Half-Left | And you can tell it is |
| 14:36.52 | Jucato | sandsmark: ah but have they begun porting? I saw it in trunk/extragear (which by your consideration of katapult, isn't officially kde :P) |
| 14:37.06 | Jucato | hm... 'em fighting words :P |
| 14:37.16 | sandsmark | =p |
| 14:37.38 | merlin-tc | Is it possible to start kde services from command line and get some more debug output on why they don't start? |
| 14:37.49 | merlin-tc | Since yesterday kwalletd won't start anymore and I have no idea why :( |
| 14:37.54 | sandsmark | merlin-tc: looked in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:37.54 | Half-Left | Amarok2 is really usuable now, thats my great news today |
| 14:38.09 | merlin-tc | sandsmark: I did but not much info there |
| 14:38.19 | Half-Left | And it's my birthday today, any got me a present? |
| 14:38.29 | merlin-tc | that's what I get kded(13221): Couldn't start kwalletd: "Could not find service 'kwalletd.desktop'." |
| 14:38.57 | merlin-tc | but kwalletd is part of kdelibs isn't it? |
| 14:39.04 | pinotree | merlin-tc: update kdelibs AND kdebase |
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| 14:39.10 | pinotree | no more |
| 14:39.39 | merlin-tc | Pinaraf: no more @ kwalletd? |
| 14:39.49 | merlin-tc | pinotree: no more @ kwalletd? |
| 14:39.52 | pinotree | it is in kdebase/runtime now |
| 14:40.04 | merlin-tc | pinotree: since when? :O |
| 14:40.10 | pinotree | yesterday |
| 14:40.19 | merlin-tc | pinotree: now that explains a lot - -' |
| 14:41.00 | clone1701 | i was trying to install kde4 on my os x machine to try amarok2 ... kde4 for mac is nowhere near ready for primetime.. i went back to the kde3 libs (which work awesome on os x) |
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| 14:41.16 | merlin-tc | pinotree: thanks a lot for pointing that out :) |
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| 14:41.20 | Jucato | (whoever claimed it was?) |
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| 14:41.34 | clone1701 | Haha noone sorry, not flaming |
| 14:41.41 | clone1701 | I just wish it was ready |
| 14:41.48 | clone1701 | cause kde3 actually works awesome on there |
| 14:41.59 | Jucato | apples and oranges |
| 14:42.04 | clone1701 | no doubt |
| 14:42.12 | Jucato | "KDE 4.x on Mac OS X is quickly reaching a stable stage, and currently could be considered a "technology preview". Official support for Mac OS X is targeted for KDE 4.1.0." |
| 14:42.16 | Jucato | http://mac.kde.org/ |
| 14:42.20 | clone1701 | i notice i don't need to start a seconday x11 server to run kde4 |
| 14:42.24 | clone1701 | Totally man, was there |
| 14:42.34 | clone1701 | I just wish it was ready :o8 |
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| 14:50.23 | MinceR | start a primary x11 server then :> |
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| 15:05.08 | kgeine | I am running kde 3.5.9 on Gentoo. I made a custom keyboard shortcut, then erased that program. I now want to use the same shortcut for another application, but it doesn't work. (I think kde has remembered the old shortcut and they are colliding.) Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 15:31.56 | Jucato | annma: ping? |
| 15:32.19 | annma | yes |
| 15:32.21 | annma | pong |
| 15:32.30 | Jucato | annma: are you hiding from us? ;) |
| 15:32.44 | annma | lol no but I am on this other OS |
| 15:32.51 | Jucato | ah lol :P |
| 15:33.02 | Jucato | hehe ok. carry on. just checking :) |
| 15:33.08 | annma | and you need a break from me in café |
| 15:33.18 | Jucato | thought you had some connection problem and wasn't able to reconnect to other channels :P |
| 15:33.29 | Jucato | ok, I might ping you again later for edu pages :) |
| 15:33.33 | annma | OK |
| 15:33.43 | annma | I had connections problems, yes |
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| 15:33.59 | annma | then my syster is on MSN so I needed the webcam |
| 15:34.05 | Jucato | ah |
| 15:34.12 | Jucato | no luck with kopete? |
| 15:35.34 | annma | did not really try |
| 15:35.39 | annma | (lazy) |
| 15:35.49 | Jucato | I know the feeling :) |
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| 15:42.37 | faemir | Anyone here know how to get decent japanese typing in kde? |
| 15:42.40 | Rapp | do imap resources work in kde 4.1? |
| 15:43.00 | bonsaikitten | Rapp: works in kmail, haven't tested anywhere else |
| 15:43.23 | Rapp | bonsaikitten: have you tried with the adress book? |
| 15:43.34 | bonsaikitten | no, I don't use such weird things |
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| 15:48.11 | Rapp | weird? not at all... but badly documented, i think |
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| 15:51.17 | kdepepo | nixternal, ping |
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| 15:53.06 | Rapp | phew, it works. gotta use DIMAP, and select the right folder :) |
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| 16:04.57 | dsafda | this is an incredible old bug... http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123624 |
| 16:04.58 | humbolt | when will the desktop icon thing be fixed in kde4? |
| 16:05.39 | pinotree | dsafda: more than "fixed", "implemented". |
| 16:08.31 | humbolt | Not being able to arrange the icons on the desktop automatically (especially for those which are off screen) sucks |
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| 16:08.57 | humbolt | and the hover modification thing annoys the hell out of everybody. |
| 16:09.13 | humbolt | why not showing it on right click only |
| 16:09.30 | humbolt | does not really make sense to me |
| 16:10.46 | humbolt | I don't want to modify my desktop icons every day. now, somebody might say then lock them and you will not be annoyed. Well, I mean, I don't want to change their size every day, but I might want to move them. What was there in KDE3 was good enough. |
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| 16:11.49 | lemma | humbolt: what about the folder view? afaik 4.3 will offer to use it as the desktop containment |
| 16:12.00 | lemma | .. 4.2 even :) |
| 16:12.07 | annma | yes |
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| 16:12.42 | humbolt | what about a normal desktop like in kde3? |
| 16:13.00 | annma | use kde3 desktop then |
| 16:13.01 | humbolt | I don't understand what the benefit of the current kde4 desktop bling should be. |
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| 16:13.09 | annma | no you don't |
| 16:13.16 | humbolt | annma: tell me |
| 16:13.19 | annma | think small devices, think "future" |
| 16:13.27 | annma | think what you do |
| 16:13.30 | humbolt | think usability |
| 16:13.33 | annma | yes |
| 16:13.39 | annma | *we work with usability people |
| 16:13.40 | humbolt | even for small devices it does not make sense this wa |
| 16:13.45 | annma | yes it does |
| 16:13.53 | annma | tell me what you do on your desktop |
| 16:14.09 | annma | in fact in plasma we are eager to get use-cases |
| 16:14.13 | humbolt | let me move the widgets by clicking in some non-interactive area |
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| 16:14.26 | humbolt | let me move them like old desktop icons |
| 16:14.26 | annma | you tell us how you use your desktop, what you do |
| 16:14.33 | annma | what for |
| 16:14.42 | humbolt | ok |
| 16:14.48 | humbolt | here is how I use it |
| 16:14.52 | annma | we want to hear what you do with icons, how you roganize them |
| 16:15.03 | humbolt | I have links to my most important folders ther |
| 16:15.11 | damada | annma: I am really sorry, but I agree with humbolt in the respect that KDE 4 usability right now is light years from 3.x |
| 16:15.17 | humbolt | I put some files there, which I have no space for yet |
| 16:15.38 | damada | and the least important problem I have with it is the missing icons on the desktop :)) |
| 16:15.39 | annma | damada: then why did you move to kde4? |
| 16:15.40 | humbolt | I do not have any widgets there, as I think they belong into the dashboard layer |
| 16:15.49 | annma | damada: icons are there |
| 16:15.56 | annma | ah |
| 16:15.57 | damada | annma: because the bugs in KDE3 won't get fixed |
| 16:16.03 | annma | what bugs? |
| 16:16.14 | damada | annma: yes, I know, and I don't oppose the new ideas in KDE4 at all |
| 16:16.16 | annma | we recently had a 3.5.10 release damada |
| 16:16.26 | annma | so do not tell we do not work on 3.5 |
| 16:16.29 | humbolt | I do only access the desktop icons, when I start a session, as my apps cover the desktop anyways |
| 16:16.31 | damada | annma: it didn't fix the problems, unfortunately |
| 16:16.37 | annma | what problems? |
| 16:16.44 | humbolt | I do access the desktop via the filemanager frequently |
| 16:17.03 | clone1701 | Humbolt: i was going to say. to this day, when i overflow my desktop, i open it up in Konqeror |
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| 16:17.07 | clone1701 | do the initial cleaning |
| 16:17.11 | clone1701 | and then go about my business |
| 16:17.21 | annma | humbolt: damada annma at kde dot org |
| 16:17.23 | damada | annma: most importantly: the imap groupware function is heavily broken in 3.5.9 and 10 |
| 16:17.40 | annma | feel free to write what you do not like in kde4 and how you use the desktop |
| 16:17.43 | humbolt | I would be satisfied with kde4 already if I could deactivate the damn desktop icons once and for all! |
| 16:17.47 | clone1701 | lol |
| 16:18.00 | annma | humbolt: what icons? |
| 16:18.08 | humbolt | then my CPU would not be occupied with the bling work, when hovering them |
| 16:18.09 | annma | is lost there |
| 16:18.24 | damada | me, too :) |
| 16:18.25 | annma | join a screenshot of those icons then in the mail |
| 16:18.38 | Jucato | annma: he means the plasmoid handles |
| 16:18.48 | humbolt | annma: ? |
| 16:18.48 | damada | annma: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412130 |
| 16:18.49 | Jucato | which are necessary for devices that don't have "right-click" |
| 16:18.50 | annma | damada: for imap amend existing bug report or go to #kontact |
| 16:18.58 | annma | damada: what about the desktop in kde3 |
| 16:19.02 | humbolt | yea, the handles they suck |
| 16:19.05 | humbolt | bigtimes |
| 16:19.11 | damada | annma: ? what about it? |
| 16:19.16 | humbolt | I don't want to see them unless I choose to! |
| 16:19.29 | humbolt | They are useless most of the day! |
| 16:19.33 | humbolt | so why showing them |
| 16:19.35 | Jucato | you already know the answer to that |
| 16:19.45 | annma | damada: #kontact for that bug |
| 16:19.46 | Jucato | what's useless to *you* may not be useless to others |
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| 16:19.52 | damada | annma: will ask there |
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| 16:19.58 | annma | thanks damada |
| 16:20.00 | humbolt | the handles should act like an context menu |
| 16:20.08 | humbolt | appear on right-click |
| 16:20.09 | annma | for the desktop itself, just send me your use case |
| 16:20.20 | humbolt | annma: where to? |
| 16:20.26 | Half-Left | humbolt: Well, the idea is I think for new users, they shouldn't have to click something got it to be seen type of thing |
| 16:20.46 | chlue | annma: You are in the usability team? |
| 16:20.48 | Half-Left | for* |
| 16:20.51 | annma | humbolt: annma at kde dot ord or usability list |
| 16:21.03 | Jucato | humbolt: <Jucato> which are necessary for devices that don't have "right-click" |
| 16:21.14 | humbolt | Half-Left: Good intentions. |
| 16:21.16 | annma | chlue: no but I can forward mails, we all work together |
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| 16:21.40 | Jucato | Half-Left: not really |
| 16:21.42 | annma | what matters are not criticisms but how you guys use your desktop |
| 16:21.50 | annma | usability is craving for use cases |
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| 16:22.07 | clone1701 | humbolt -- also keep in mind that kde4 is crossplat, so they need to consider mac users as well, as much as that might suck for you |
| 16:22.10 | humbolt | Half-Left: There will always be a learning curve. |
| 16:22.22 | damada | annma: when will it be possible again to access zip archives and the like? |
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| 16:22.40 | annma | damada: taht's in Dolphin, no? |
| 16:22.49 | annma | you access zip files on your desktop? |
| 16:22.49 | Jucato | damada: if you mean browsing within archives, like.. um..3 months ago? |
| 16:22.51 | damada | yes, and Konqueror, annma |
| 16:22.52 | Half-Left | Jucato: Sure, panel needs one click to see settings, plasmoids move over to see the hanels to move them, much more usuable then KDE3 ever was |
| 16:22.56 | humbolt | Half-Left: I don't remember seeing something like those handles on a mac. |
| 16:23.03 | annma | damada: taht's nothing to do with the desktop |
| 16:23.07 | Jucato | Half-Left: not really about "new" users but other devices |
| 16:23.08 | damada | Jucato: that works already? in 4.1.1= |
| 16:23.15 | humbolt | Their desktop is still clean and featureless, there must be a reason |
| 16:23.20 | Jucato | damada: since 3 months ago, when 4.1 was released |
| 16:23.22 | damada | annma: no, true, but with the KDE4 usabiltiy |
| 16:23.23 | humbolt | all the bling is in den dashboard |
| 16:23.27 | Half-Left | humbolt: Whats OS X got to do with it? |
| 16:23.27 | chlue | annma: the think that seems really stupid for me in kde4 is the fact, that you have to four-different icons in the 'startmenu' to logout/... which all brings you to the same dialog, where you have to choose again. I am really eager to know the reasoning for that. |
| 16:23.33 | damada | Jucato: then, how do I enable that? |
| 16:23.49 | annma | damada: this si filemanager work |
| 16:23.52 | Jucato | damada: Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> General page |
| 16:24.02 | Jucato | damada: that affects both Dolphin and Konqueror |
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| 16:24.12 | humbolt | Half-Left: You just said KDE must consider Mac users. |
| 16:24.17 | annma | chlue: ah please submit a solution |
| 16:24.30 | Half-Left | humbolt: You can't even do much with their Widges because they are just widgets, plamsa intergrade proper so you need to control them |
| 16:24.35 | annma | chlue: unfortunately we don't have a solution |
| 16:24.36 | Half-Left | Not me |
| 16:24.47 | Half-Left | I said must consider NEW users |
| 16:24.49 | annma | chlue: I already myself tried to unifies some of this stuff |
| 16:24.56 | damada | Jucato: THANK YOU SO MUCH! |
| 16:25.02 | annma | so any idea on how to do it you can send to me |
| 16:25.03 | humbolt | Half-Left: And the thing is, the actions the handles serve are not necessary for performing work, therefore they don't have to be advertised. |
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| 16:25.10 | damada | I have been craving that very thing so much |
| 16:25.13 | Jucato | humbolt: and that statement about Mac users was not about imitating Mac dashboard. Macs don't have right mouse buttons |
| 16:25.15 | humbolt | Half-Left: Simple usability consideration. |
| 16:25.26 | clone1701 | That was me |
| 16:25.26 | chlue | annma: whats wrong with the way its done in kde3.5. Only one button in the menu which brings to to this dialog. |
| 16:25.36 | annma | chlue: we are aware some things are not good enough but we lack ideas to make it better |
| 16:25.37 | Half-Left | humbolt: And what can you do with OS X widgets, just move them, what else? |
| 16:25.47 | Half-Left | Nothing |
| 16:25.50 | clone1701 | right re Jucato. that was all i was saying |
| 16:25.50 | Jucato | annma, chlue: afaik opensuse sort of "fixed" that |
| 16:25.53 | humbolt | Jucato: everybody on a mac knows the shortcut to get the context menu |
| 16:25.55 | nixternal | kdepepo: pong? |
| 16:26.02 | damada | other issue: is anyone using cifsmounted shares with KDE 4.1.1? |
| 16:26.04 | clone1701 | humbolt: not in my experience |
| 16:26.06 | annma | I was about to mention distros |
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| 16:26.12 | chlue | Jucato: what did they do? |
| 16:26.14 | miniBill | I can't change my wallpaper |
| 16:26.15 | annma | how Jucato did they do that? |
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| 16:26.23 | miniBill | If I try it remains blue :( |
| 16:26.36 | annma | chlue: in fact you can submit a wish report for it so I can work on it again |
| 16:26.41 | humbolt | Jucato: and again, the actions the handles server are not vital. Therefore it does not matter at all, if somebody does not know about their existence. |
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| 16:26.41 | RFC_1149 | I'm using KDE 3.5 with two screens - a 2560x1600 and a 1920x1200. The problem is I cannot move any windows into the space above the smaller monitor level with the bigger monitor if that makes any sense - it is as if the larger display is restricted to a height of 1200 (the smaller display) instead of the 1600 |
| 16:26.48 | miniBill | kde 3.5.9 on gentoo |
| 16:26.59 | Jucato | chlue, annma: not 100% sure, but afaik when you click on one of the logout options in the K Menu, a popup appears with only a single option and a timer. you click that button to immediately proceed to the action |
| 16:27.06 | humbolt | clone1701: read what I told Jucato |
| 16:27.13 | RFC_1149 | I'm also 3.5.9 on Gentoo (amd64) |
| 16:27.19 | annma | I don't like timers |
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| 16:27.35 | Half-Left | humbolt: The handle has actions to it, configure, delete, rotate, you'll actually fine OS X widgets do have mouse over overlays to get there options |
| 16:27.35 | miniBill | anyone? |
| 16:27.37 | kdepepo | nixternal, hi, do you have an PPA repo at Launchpad? |
| 16:27.50 | nixternal | kdepepo: yes |
| 16:27.51 | humbolt | clone1701: It does not matter if they know the context menu right-click emulation, as nobody needs the functions served by the handle |
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| 16:28.12 | humbolt | Half-Left: widgets in the dashboard |
| 16:28.22 | humbolt | Half-Left: not desktop icons |
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| 16:28.25 | Half-Left | I think your just making up stuff because if you used OS X widgets you would have known that |
| 16:28.30 | humbolt | KDE needs a usability guru |
| 16:28.38 | humbolt | I volunteer |
| 16:28.42 | Jucato | omg |
| 16:28.43 | kdepepo | nixternal, I am struggling since a week now, I tried to make a kubuntu package from skulpture source, and I failed :) |
| 16:28.44 | Sput | KDE has usablitiy gurus |
| 16:28.46 | Half-Left | humbolt: Thats because they are NOT desktop icons anymore |
| 16:28.48 | annma | humbolt: join the usability mailing list |
| 16:28.57 | Jucato | humbolt: 1. you presume that just because *you* never use it, noone else will find it useful. 2. this is going nowhere. that's why you were asked to mail the *real* usability people |
| 16:28.58 | nixternal | kdepepo: I can do that for you....where is the latest version you want a package for? |
| 16:29.05 | annma | humbolt: I'll announce your arrival if you want |
| 16:29.17 | annma | super |
| 16:29.18 | humbolt | sput: seems they think people need to play more than they need to work |
| 16:29.29 | annma | can't wait of design ideas |
| 16:29.41 | Sput | humbolt: I am sure they will welcome your input |
| 16:29.45 | kdepepo | nixternal, thanks, that would be cool :) either use plain 0.1.3 or use 0.1.3.2 from http://skulpture.maxiom.de/ |
| 16:29.51 | annma | of course they will |
| 16:30.00 | humbolt | Half-Left: they are NOT desktop icons anymore. they are for the user. Does not matter at all, what they are technically! |
| 16:30.07 | Jucato | question is, will *you* welcome their input? |
| 16:30.11 | nixternal | kdepepo: roger that...I will work on that here in a bit...at work right now fixing appliance issues |
| 16:30.17 | annma | Jucato: LOL |
| 16:30.28 | kdepepo | nixternal, the problem seems to be the decoration... the debian package has the deco, but at wrong paths... |
| 16:30.29 | humbolt | Jucato: no no no, don't get me wrong. I did not say nobody uses them |
| 16:30.42 | humbolt | Jucato: I say nobody needs them to survive! |
| 16:30.46 | humbolt | Jucato: to do work |
| 16:30.50 | kdepepo | nixternal, no need to hurry :) |
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| 16:30.55 | humbolt | Jucato: and that is what counts |
| 16:31.18 | Jucato | nixternal: work faster!! |
| 16:31.19 | humbolt | Jucato: as everybody uses a desktop differently, we have to concentrate on what counts |
| 16:31.22 | RFC_1149 | Does KDE support dual monitors where both monitors have different resolutions? I'm using an nVidia board |
| 16:31.26 | annma | humbolt: are you subscribed ti the U list? |
| 16:31.27 | Half-Left | humbolt: They may well be but I'm right in what I'm saying, desktop icons dont exsist, see Aaron |
| 16:31.43 | annma | bah, let him propose his vision to the U team |
| 16:31.50 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.52 | nixternal | Jucato: I am trying, but morons that call themselves IT Infrastructure experts can't even properly configure pxe servers nor yum servers |
| 16:31.57 | humbolt | annma: not yet |
| 16:31.59 | annma | are you subscribed yet humbolt ? |
| 16:32.03 | damada | annma: what about this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156759 |
| 16:32.07 | RFC_1149 | I apologise - not a KDE issue |
| 16:32.30 | Half-Left | annma: Well he didnt knw that OS X widgets have overlay controls on them that work like plasma icons so I wouldn't hold your breath |
| 16:32.42 | Sput | well, using a folderview as containment should emulate desktop icons well enough for those in need |
| 16:32.52 | humbolt | Jucato: What counts for the majority of users. They need to get work done |
| 16:33.19 | Half-Left | OS X has it's far share of usuability issues |
| 16:33.21 | Jucato | humbolt: 1. you already know how to disable those handles for yourself, without having to inconvenience the rest of the world. 2. by your own admission, those handles present functionality that isn't essential for survival. so they could be hidden away. so that brings us back to #1 |
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| 16:33.51 | humbolt | Jucato: No I don't know how to disable them. |
| 16:33.53 | Half-Left | fair* |
| 16:34.09 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.17 | Half-Left | So it's a usuability issue because YOU dont like them? |
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| 16:34.55 | Half-Left | Right clicking icons on the desktop is actually one big crime in usuability |
| 16:35.05 | jco | hi, what is the best (or among the best) distros to try kde4 on? |
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| 16:35.09 | humbolt | Half-Left: OK my friends, go out there make a survey and find what I told you. 80% of all users will tell you, those handles suck. |
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| 16:35.30 | Half-Left | Which users? |
| 16:35.34 | Half-Left | Really? |
| 16:35.36 | humbolt | because 80% or even more will not even want to customize their desktop |
| 16:35.37 | Sput | likes the handles |
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| 16:35.40 | damada | Half-Left: why? what is wrong with right click= |
| 16:35.52 | chlue | humbolt: theres not much on a system you cannot do with a command line. So you can allways argue, that everything more fancy will just porovide eye-candy, an easier learning curve or an easier way for seldom used features. |
| 16:35.56 | Jucato | no. the burden of proof is on *you*. and *you* have to present that before the relevant group. so usability list |
| 16:36.06 | humbolt | sput: They are cool for you guys, I understand that. But they suck for the enterprise desktop! |
| 16:36.08 | Half-Left | damada: new user dont know it, makes sense to have mouser over |
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| 16:36.14 | Jucato | this is going nowhere |
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| 16:36.24 | sgireesh | jco: archlinux + kdemod |
| 16:36.27 | Jucato | lol! there goes the "enterprise desktop" again :) |
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| 16:36.42 | humbolt | chlue: Show me the enterprise desktop user capable of doing their tasks on the commandline |
| 16:36.44 | bonsaikitten | humbolt: yeah, Captain Picard won't like it. |
| 16:36.46 | damada | Half-Left: so the direction for KDE is, to make it a DE for idiots? is that what you're aiming at? |
| 16:36.53 | bonsaikitten | wonders when the Enterprise got kde4 installed |
| 16:37.03 | Half-Left | Enterprise, who cares, OS X doesn't do sh*t in the enterprise |
| 16:37.05 | chlue | humbolt: And I know a lot of people who will choose Vista/OSX > winXP > .... > Linux JUST because its prettier. |
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| 16:37.20 | Half-Left | damada: No I'm saying it's way better than it was in KDE3 |
| 16:37.21 | humbolt | damada: to make a DE that works for idiots but is capable to be customized easily by the geeks |
| 16:37.24 | jco | sgireesh: thx, I'll setup a VM with that then |
| 16:37.28 | humbolt | That would be my vision |
| 16:37.31 | Sput | well, there's always gnome for people not liking features |
| 16:37.43 | kdepepo | jco, you can also try openSUSE based KDE 4.1.1 live CD to see if openSUSE fits your taste http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ |
| 16:37.45 | Jucato | ok this is going nowhere. Enough is enough. Everyone just drop it. humbolt you have been told to get in touch with the KDE usability team. talk with them |
| 16:37.52 | damada | Half-Left: its an interesting approach, yes, but many features in KDE4 take me much longer than in 3.5x |
| 16:38.04 | humbolt | chlue: sure! certainly. but in the end it must be a workhorse. |
| 16:38.07 | Jucato | jco: the "best" distro would be the distro that you are most familiar with that offers the latest KDE 4 (4.1.1) |
| 16:38.17 | jco | kdepepo: I already tried it, thanks anyway |
| 16:38.28 | humbolt | sput: gnome is inconsistent |
| 16:38.51 | humbolt | Jucato: why stopping a discussion |
| 16:38.56 | Half-Left | damada: Not true at all ,where did you get that idea from, you do know what KDE4 has new APIs and has mostly been rewitten, KDE4 dev is extreemly fast |
| 16:38.58 | jco | Jucato: I currently use Ubuntu and I personally find kde4 simply unusable, even to try it out |
| 16:39.04 | humbolt | Jucato: this is far from a flame-war |
| 16:39.10 | Jucato | humbolt: because this is a *USER SUPPORT* channel. not a "let's discuss usability" |
| 16:39.18 | jco | Jucato: for example, I find the one in opensuse way better |
| 16:39.19 | damada | honestly, I don't see too many idiots converting to Linux/KDE now. I have a very strong feeling that they will stick to some other system |
| 16:39.24 | Jucato | if you want to continue, bring them to #kde-chat |
| 16:39.28 | humbolt | Jucato: point for you |
| 16:39.43 | humbolt | Any users with questions come forward |
| 16:39.57 | Half-Left | damada: Dont try to fual it with useless info |
| 16:40.02 | damada | Half-Left: it feels incredibly slower. that is a fact for me. Image thumbnail rendering, folder previewing all that |
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| 16:40.09 | humbolt | damada: and this has a reason |
| 16:40.31 | humbolt | damada: people would not be able to get work done with kde4 |
| 16:40.37 | Jucato | jco: well if you're familiar with opensuse, you can use that too |
| 16:40.39 | humbolt | damada: they were with kde3 |
| 16:40.44 | Jucato | sighs |
| 16:40.48 | humbolt | they are with gnome |
| 16:40.49 | Half-Left | damada: To you maybe, but not to everyone else, your comparing KDE4.1 to what KDE.3.5.10? |
| 16:40.54 | pinotree | humbolt: strange, i *have* coworkers working fine in kde4 |
| 16:40.56 | Jucato | humbolt, damada, Half-Left: #kde-chat NOW! |
| 16:41.08 | humbolt | tell me, why is winXP so much more popular than vista |
| 16:41.10 | pinotree | humbolt: and they actually switched on their own |
| 16:41.16 | humbolt | because you get work done with it |
| 16:41.23 | damada | humbolt: resources |
| 16:41.27 | pinotree | humbolt: so, i *do* have cases of kde4 being productive. |
| 16:41.40 | chlue | humbolt: Hm define enterprise: In my impression a lot of people usually will do most of ther work with one specific tool: IDE / Webbrowser / Commandline / OfficeSuite / ... ( choise depending on their job). The desktop itself does not really matter for them. |
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| 16:41.50 | damada | pinotree: I am using it productively, too |
| 16:42.00 | pinotree | damada: tell humbolt, not me |
| 16:42.02 | damada | pinotree: and that means, for work even |
| 16:42.14 | Half-Left | Jucato, Why bother, usually convertation anyway, two trolls claim to be usuability experts that just look at OS X and think KDE is not usable based of what they think |
| 16:42.18 | humbolt | chlue: have 10 windows opened with the current taskbar and you are skrewed. |
| 16:42.21 | Half-Left | useless* |
| 16:42.29 | damada | pinotree: but exactly for that very reason I can claim that it still is not in the shape as compared to 3.5.9 |
| 16:42.40 | damada | humbolt: that will soon be better |
| 16:42.45 | Half-Left | Oh shut up |
| 16:42.56 | Half-Left | geez |
| 16:43.11 | pinotree | damada: and i can claim the opposite |
| 16:43.16 | Jucato | enough is enough. again, drop the whole usability thread already. if you want to cont |
| 16:43.24 | Jucato | inue, #kde-chat |
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| 16:43.38 | humbolt | Jucato: ah, come on, take it easy |
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| 16:44.15 | humbolt | Jucato: as soon as somebody asks a support question, we'll shut up |
| 16:44.20 | Jucato | NO |
| 16:44.22 | humbolt | promise |
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| 16:44.47 | damada | pinotree: again: what about this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156759? and what about printing compared to 3.5.9? this is not something one can be too proud of... |
| 16:44.49 | Jucato | there were some questions earlier, drowned out by that topic. |
| 16:45.01 | Jucato | that is not how #kde works. |
| 16:45.42 | Half-Left | damada: And how long as KDE3.5.9 been developed for now compared to KDE4? |
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| 16:46.13 | Half-Left | You must think KDE devs have ulimited time or something |
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| 16:46.44 | damada | Half-Left: you're absolutely right about that! But as long as things like that have lower priority than something like Plasma, it is not at the same DE level |
| 16:46.58 | Jucato | um.. lower priority? |
| 16:47.07 | Jucato | whose priority? |
| 16:47.08 | thiago_home | there's no such thing as priority |
| 16:47.08 | damada | Jucato: OK that was a little strong |
| 16:47.15 | thiago_home | there's only what people want to work on |
| 16:47.28 | damada | Jucato: but printing definitely was not on the top list, it seems |
| 16:47.35 | sandsmark | damada: which list? |
| 16:47.40 | Jucato | whose list? |
| 16:47.41 | damada | thiago_home: that proves my point |
| 16:47.45 | damada | any list |
| 16:47.50 | sandsmark | damada: ... |
| 16:47.54 | thiago_home | what's your point? |
| 16:48.00 | damada | ? |
| 16:48.02 | Half-Left | damada: Just to let you know, I do graphics for KDEgames and it's very easy to work with and do so, I can churn out themes and graphics for it working with KDE4 VERY easy |
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| 16:48.14 | Jucato | I'm sure Dolphin bugs are at the top of the list of Dolphin developers. and Plasma bugs are at the top of the list of Plasma developers |
| 16:48.20 | damada | Half-Left: I totally believe you |
| 16:48.29 | lele85 | hi all |
| 16:48.31 | sandsmark | lele85: yo |
| 16:48.33 | Jucato | damada: you're thinking someone dictates a list of what to work on? |
| 16:49.15 | Half-Left | damada: And from what I've seen thats KDE4.x so far, alot of work go into KDE4.1 in a small time frame |
| 16:49.18 | damada | Jucato: no. but I would assume that a consistent DE feeling is what the whole project is all about |
| 16:49.23 | lele85 | i've a little question about kde-multimedia and dragon player |
| 16:49.25 | Jucato | damada: not that way |
| 16:49.42 | Jucato | damada: it's "collaboration" not "dictation" |
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| 16:49.46 | thiago_home | damada: that's the goal, but not everyone agrees. |
| 16:49.49 | Jucato | lele85: fire away |
| 16:49.53 | damada | Jucato: I have never said that |
| 16:49.59 | thiago_home | damada: some people feel that their ideas about look-and-feel are better |
| 16:50.05 | thiago_home | sometimes they're right, sometimes they aren't |
| 16:50.13 | damada | lele85: ask your question :) |
| 16:50.14 | thiago_home | in either case, the result is inconsistency |
| 16:50.18 | Jucato | damada: that's the implication of the whole "it's not in their priority" thing (you're not the first one to say that btw) |
| 16:50.30 | Jucato | case in point was a few minutes ago :) |
| 16:50.31 | lele85 | when subtitles will be supported? |
| 16:50.36 | Jucato | a few looooong minutes :) |
| 16:50.44 | Jucato | lele85: I have subtitles in Dragon |
| 16:51.03 | sgireesh | Jucato: do you have playlists in dragon? |
| 16:51.03 | damada | I will shut up now, Jucato, and hope that my issues will find a solution within this year |
| 16:51.12 | Jucato | but I don't have the file right now so I can't check how I made them show up |
| 16:51.30 | Jucato | sgireesh: of course not |
| 16:51.43 | sgireesh | I thought I was lonely ;) |
| 16:51.53 | Jucato | sgireesh: and I don't think it will :) |
| 16:52.03 | lele85 | Jucato, i have many avi with srt subs... but it has never work |
| 16:52.07 | damada | Jucato: will there be a kaffeine port? |
| 16:52.12 | Jucato | if you've heard of or used Codeine in KDE 3 you'll know why |
| 16:52.12 | Half-Left | damada: KDE3 user? |
| 16:52.15 | Jucato | damada: will be |
| 16:52.18 | Jucato | I hope |
| 16:52.30 | damada | Half-Left: me? not for some weeks now. 4.1.1 |
| 16:52.31 | lele85 | i'm using kde 4.1.1 on archlinux |
| 16:52.32 | Jucato | lele85: hm... lemme see what I can do |
| 16:52.45 | sgireesh | lele85: /me too |
| 16:52.47 | lele85 | kdemod |
| 16:52.55 | Half-Left | damada: But a new KDE4 user or previous KDE3 user? |
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| 16:53.36 | damada | Half-Left: previous KDE3 user and a heavy advocat for the KDE project. But a lot more quiet about it recently... |
| 16:54.00 | Half-Left | Jucato: Like I said^, it's the KDE3 users that pretty much moan the most and try to bring it down |
| 16:54.21 | lele85 | Jucato, srt subs is in dragon or in phonon backend? |
| 16:54.29 | Jucato | lele85: in dragon |
| 16:54.38 | Half-Left | I have to go anyway |
| 16:54.39 | damada | Half-Left: I really don't get it: do you really want to loose the KDE3 people? |
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| 16:55.05 | Half-Left | damada: It doesn't matter because you will come back anyway |
| 16:55.05 | damada | Half-Left: and criticism it not the same as trying to bring it down |
| 16:55.15 | lele85 | anyway my dragon player version is 2.0 |
| 16:55.16 | Half-Left | back later |
| 16:55.17 | damada | are you really so sure about that? |
| 16:55.21 | Half-Left | Very sure |
| 16:55.25 | damada | why |
| 16:55.25 | Half-Left | bye |
| 16:55.42 | damada | that sounds incredibly arrogant to me |
| 16:55.43 | Jucato | lele85: what file format does the subtitle come in? |
| 16:55.51 | lele85 | .srt |
| 16:55.56 | lele85 | subrip |
| 16:56.11 | Jucato | I have an .sfv here |
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| 16:56.27 | Jucato | I play the file, at first no subtitle, I go to Settings menu -> Subtitle and select the proper one |
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| 16:57.07 | Jucato | dunno if I have some with .srt |
| 16:57.21 | tkoski | damada: yes, he was pretty arrogant :D |
| 16:57.25 | lele85 | let me try |
| 16:57.27 | lele85 | :D |
| 16:58.07 | damada | tkoski: there are some devs without a users base soon... |
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| 16:58.43 | lele85 | Jucato, the subtitle menu entry is disabled in my dragon player |
| 16:58.48 | Jucato | basing that from the words of a kde user? now doesn't that sound arrogant to? :) |
| 16:58.54 | Jucato | lele85: hm.. |
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| 16:59.26 | Jucato | lele85: hold on, got a video with .srtg |
| 16:59.29 | Jucato | .srt |
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| 16:59.46 | lele85 | Jucato, are you using svn version of dragon? |
| 16:59.55 | Jucato | lele85: nope. 4.1.1. |
| 16:59.59 | Jucato | ah I see... |
| 17:00.01 | Jucato | hm... |
| 17:00.24 | Jucato | seemns like |
| 17:00.28 | Jucato | seems like .srt doesn't work |
| 17:00.58 | lele85 | mmm |
| 17:01.00 | Mebibyte | KDE4 needs time to warm up |
| 17:01.06 | Mebibyte | after 2 days it works perfectly |
| 17:01.15 | Mebibyte | what's the complete size of KDE sources anyway? |
| 17:01.16 | Mebibyte | ^^ |
| 17:02.07 | lele85 | i'll try to convert srt to svf |
| 17:02.24 | Jucato | lele85: sfv. dunno if that works, but you can try |
| 17:02.52 | Mebibyte | unless you want to build all KDE modules, etc, which requires downloading several gigabytes |
| 17:02.55 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 17:02.55 | Mebibyte | is it so big? |
| 17:03.11 | Jucato | when you download through SVN, yes |
| 17:04.20 | Mebibyte | yeah, but about how much Gb? |
| 17:04.20 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 17:04.29 | Mebibyte | I just said the other day that I wanted to have a look on it |
| 17:04.51 | Jucato | also depends if you want to get stable, branch, and trunk |
| 17:05.01 | Mebibyte | trunk, obviously lol |
| 17:05.05 | Jucato | ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.1.1/src you can calculate |
| 17:05.12 | Jucato | ah well, dunno. haven't tried checking them all out |
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| 17:05.44 | Mebibyte | but what's the base kde module in the svn? |
| 17:05.47 | Mebibyte | kde-base or whatever |
| 17:05.50 | Mebibyte | the kde itself... |
| 17:05.54 | Mebibyte | I don't need kolf sources :) |
| 17:06.21 | Jucato | kdegames are part of kde :) |
| 17:06.26 | Mebibyte | kdebase, kderuntime kdeworkspace |
| 17:06.29 | Mebibyte | yeah Jucato of course |
| 17:06.39 | Jucato | kdebase only gives you kwin, kwrite, systemsettings, plasma, dolphin, etc etc etc |
| 17:06.41 | Mebibyte | but whanted to see kde itself, not the app set :) |
| 17:06.46 | Mebibyte | so that's the base, I mean |
| 17:06.52 | Mebibyte | what KDE is as a desktop |
| 17:07.00 | Jucato | that is the question :) |
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| 17:07.07 | lele85 | Jucato, noway |
| 17:07.08 | Mebibyte | the rest are apps that work on top of kde really, isn't it? |
| 17:07.09 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 17:07.10 | lele85 | :( |
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| 17:07.21 | lele85 | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 17:07.25 | Jucato | lele85: I can't find a bug about it either. sorry |
| 17:08.05 | lele85 | Jucato, i've found this GSOC project http://toya.net.pl/~wodka/GSOC/gsoc_application.html |
| 17:08.12 | Jucato | Mebibyte: you could argue that. but then, do you consider a desktop without, say, a media player a complete desktop? :) |
| 17:08.40 | Mebibyte | yeah yeah, I understand your position, of course |
| 17:08.46 | Mebibyte | but the base is what I'm interested in :) |
| 17:08.49 | Mebibyte | kde-common/ |
| 17:08.52 | Mebibyte | would be that directory? |
| 17:08.53 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 17:08.54 | Jucato | er no |
| 17:09.03 | Mebibyte | so where's kdebase-*? :) |
| 17:09.08 | Jucato | that's an old KDE 3 directory |
| 17:09.13 | Jucato | um.. in kdebase :) |
| 17:09.20 | Jucato | kdebase/apps, kdebase/runtime, kdebase/workspace |
| 17:09.29 | Mebibyte | ahhh |
| 17:09.51 | Mebibyte | [mebibyte@dhcppc1 ~/KDE]$ svn ls svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdebase |
| 17:09.51 | Mebibyte | svn: URL 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdebase' non-existent in that revision |
| 17:09.54 | Mebibyte | heh |
| 17:09.54 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 17:10.04 | Jucato | trunk/KDE/kdebase |
| 17:10.15 | Mebibyte | ah |
| 17:10.18 | Mebibyte | that KDE/ dir ! |
| 17:10.22 | Jucato | because kdebase is part of the KDE modules |
| 17:10.26 | Mebibyte | I understand |
| 17:10.31 | Jucato | (notice that kdesupport, is not) |
| 17:10.34 | Mebibyte | kdegames is also there! |
| 17:10.44 | Jucato | it is part of KDE :) |
| 17:10.51 | Mebibyte | so downloading kdebase |
| 17:11.02 | Jucato | officially distributed by KDE, following KDE's release schedules and policies |
| 17:11.06 | Mebibyte | I would have the desktop |
| 17:11.09 | Mebibyte | isn't it? |
| 17:11.19 | Jucato | yeah |
| 17:11.21 | kdepepo | My git-svn checkout of trunk/KDE is 1.9 Gbyte, the svn checkout of kdesupport, koffice, playground, and extragears (but without qt-copy) is another 2.6 Gbyte |
| 17:11.26 | Mebibyte | cool |
| 17:11.38 | Mebibyte | I'll see another dirs then :D |
| 17:11.55 | Jucato | svn usually doubles the actual size of the checkout |
| 17:11.59 | Mebibyte | checking out! |
| 17:12.07 | Mebibyte | one other thing |
| 17:12.09 | thiago_home | the trunk/KDE full Git import is 1.7 GB |
| 17:12.15 | Mebibyte | do kwrite continues doing highlight of code? |
| 17:12.16 | Mebibyte | ^^ |
| 17:12.26 | Jucato | of course |
| 17:12.30 | kdepepo | wait no, it includes qt-copy |
| 17:12.47 | Mebibyte | aha thiago_home |
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| 17:12.59 | Mebibyte | I'll make another space for downloading everything :) |
| 17:13.12 | Jucato | are you really going to build *everything*? |
| 17:13.17 | Mebibyte | me? |
| 17:13.24 | Jucato | yeah |
| 17:13.39 | Mebibyte | I have already built everything |
| 17:13.40 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 17:13.50 | Mebibyte | I always build all kde :) |
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| 17:13.54 | tkoski | the man who build everything |
| 17:13.56 | justs0me | .. |
| 17:14.02 | Jucato | good luck with trunk then :) |
| 17:14.09 | Mebibyte | not from trunk |
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| 17:14.12 | Jucato | has had terrible luck with kdebindings |
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| 17:14.22 | Jucato | well you are downloading trunk :) |
| 17:14.25 | Mebibyte | but yes from the tar.gz in the ports collection of kde |
| 17:14.27 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 17:14.38 | Mebibyte | and I doubt about kde would be built from trunk |
| 17:14.49 | Mebibyte | there's always a .cc that crashes on svn trunk releases lol |
| 17:14.56 | Mebibyte | (compiling, I mean) |
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| 17:16.57 | Mebibyte | cool |
| 17:17.02 | Mebibyte | looking at the code of kwrite in kwrite |
| 17:17.06 | Mebibyte | hilarous but cool |
| 17:17.07 | Mebibyte | hahahaha |
| 17:17.43 | Mebibyte | Where can I learn about Qt? I think everything around here works with Qt... |
| 17:17.45 | Jucato | you should read the code of konversation or konsole in a konsole tab in konversation :) |
| 17:17.56 | Jucato | er.. of course. KDE uses Qt :) |
| 17:18.13 | Mebibyte | Jucato: hehehe |
| 17:18.19 | Mebibyte | I just use inspircd :) |
| 17:18.22 | Mebibyte | I mean |
| 17:18.24 | Mebibyte | irssi |
| 17:18.31 | Mebibyte | (go another software name in mind lol) |
| 17:19.11 | Jucato | http://doc.trolltech.com/ for Qt, http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials and http://techbase.kde.org/ for KDE |
| 17:19.20 | Mebibyte | void KWrite::readConfig() { readConfig(KGlobal::config()) ; } |
| 17:19.26 | Mebibyte | I like this C++ thing... lol |
| 17:19.30 | Mebibyte | hahahaha |
| 17:19.33 | Jucato | the only valid way to use irssi is in a Konsole tab in Konversation :) |
| 17:19.44 | Mebibyte | I use irssi in Konsole |
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| 17:19.52 | Mebibyte | but every piece of program around kde begins in K |
| 17:19.57 | Jucato | so you're just one step away :) |
| 17:19.57 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 17:20.07 | Mebibyte | one step to what? :) |
| 17:20.16 | Jucato | <Jucato> the only valid way to use irssi is in a Konsole tab in Konversation :) |
| 17:20.28 | Jejem | oh sure. |
| 17:20.29 | Jejem | :) |
| 17:20.40 | Jucato | you already have irssi in konsole... now to just make that a "konsole tab in konversation" and you would have reached perfection :) |
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| 17:20.42 | Mebibyte | oh yeah |
| 17:20.46 | Mebibyte | I always use Konsole :) |
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| 17:20.57 | Jejem | i use gnome-terminal :p |
| 17:21.04 | Jucato | I guess for something like irssi that would be reasonable |
| 17:21.07 | Jucato | tried yakuake? |
| 17:21.08 | Mebibyte | Like this tab thing of konsole :) |
| 17:21.15 | Mebibyte | yakuake? what's that? |
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| 17:21.28 | Jucato | Quake-style terminal emulator for KDE |
| 17:21.32 | Jejem | yakuake is the "press F12 and get a konsole" :) |
| 17:21.32 | Jucato | embeds Konsole of course |
| 17:21.38 | Mebibyte | heh :) |
| 17:21.45 | Jucato | it "rolls down" from the top of the monitor |
| 17:21.49 | Mebibyte | hahahahahah |
| 17:21.52 | Jejem | and that's great :p |
| 17:21.54 | Mebibyte | like Quake III? |
| 17:21.55 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 17:21.58 | Jucato | yep |
| 17:21.58 | Jejem | like ;) |
| 17:22.05 | Jucato | that's where it got its name |
| 17:22.11 | Mebibyte | dunno... |
| 17:22.24 | Jucato | Yakuake -> "Yet Another Kuake" -> "Kuake = Quake-style terminal |
| 17:22.25 | Mebibyte | I just have a konsole instance running 24/07... |
| 17:22.26 | Mebibyte | :) |
| 17:22.45 | Jucato | me too. but incarnated in yakuake |
| 17:22.48 | Mebibyte | don't even drag and drop or whatever like that... :) |
| 17:23.02 | Jucato | available on all desktops, but not taking up space when not needed :) |
| 17:23.04 | Mebibyte | proud mv user lmao |
| 17:23.21 | Mebibyte | wel... I'm everytime at konsole, to be more precise... |
| 17:23.28 | Mebibyte | I like vim and well... get the rid of it... |
| 17:23.40 | Mebibyte | But about C/C++ kwrite is my desire :) |
| 17:24.19 | Mebibyte | like keywords in bold ^^ |
| 17:24.53 | Mebibyte | so... as I see in 801 lines of code |
| 17:24.58 | Mebibyte | you've got a kwrite, isn't it? |
| 17:25.00 | Mebibyte | ^^ |
| 17:25.02 | dot | Hi. I've noticed a bug in KDE4.1, but I don't have an account, so could someone post it ? : |
| 17:25.03 | dot | When you have Notes plasmoid placed in left, bottom corner, and you make a right click, part of menu is invisible and unacessible. (http://sep13.imghost.us/m2Ij.png) |
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| 17:26.02 | garu | hi everyone |
| 17:26.08 | spectral | dot: create an account. it takes 10 seconds and you get notified of any replies to the bug |
| 17:26.22 | dot | well, ok ;p |
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| 17:27.26 | dot | damn, i didn't even know that it's so quick! |
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| 17:28.07 | cfiend | \nick CFiend |
| 17:28.22 | spectral | :) |
| 17:28.29 | CFiend | Hi |
| 17:28.36 | spectral | fwiw i can also confirm the bug :) |
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| 17:29.07 | Jucato | basically I think it's a "bug" related to the fact that you can't hide (put windows over) the panel yet |
| 17:29.18 | Jucato | which is possible in 4.2, so that might be related |
| 17:29.21 | spectral | ah |
| 17:29.37 | dot | so should i post a bug report, or leave it ? |
| 17:29.39 | Jucato | of course, it won't hurt to file it :) |
| 17:29.58 | Jucato | report it |
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| 17:32.56 | Mebibyte | and what are those .moc files? |
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| 17:33.01 | Mebibyte | seen them during compile time... |
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| 17:33.23 | edgy | Hi, alsamixer shows a master control but kmix called it 'Front', isn't this strange? I though kmix get the names from alsa |
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| 17:34.29 | Jucato | Mebibyte: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/metaobjects.html http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/object.html |
| 17:34.49 | Mebibyte | hmm... |
| 17:34.52 | Jucato | Mebibyte: that Trolltech link I gave earlier has a nice search bar :) |
| 17:34.55 | Jucato | Google helps too :P |
| 17:35.07 | Mebibyte | ah thanks |
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| 17:45.20 | ygetartson | Hi. I am trying to install kde-for-windows on XP. There is a bizarre problem: some instants after downloading the installer to some location under windows, it disappears! Has anybody experienced this? |
| 17:45.39 | Jucato | ygetartson: try #kde-windows |
| 17:46.03 | edgy | Jucato: do you any idea why kmix gives different contorls than alsamixer? |
| 17:46.32 | Jucato | edgy: other than because it isn't based on alsamixer?nope |
| 17:46.49 | edgy | Jucato: it's based on what? |
| 17:48.00 | Jucato | actually I don't know. it may or may not be based on alsamixer or something alsa (though I would have suspected it would be using phonon, but apparently not) |
| 17:56.03 | zakia | i have a fedora 9 kde crashes with http://pastebin.com/m3c55702c any idea where to start looking ? |
| 17:57.20 | Jucato | zakia: you could ask in #fedora-kde, but you might also want to install packages that would give you debugging symbols, because that backtrace is a bit useless |
| 17:58.01 | zakia | i can't see where is the bebug package |
| 17:59.05 | Jucato | usually it ends with a -dbg |
| 17:59.08 | Jucato | fedora people might know |
| 17:59.14 | Jucato | #fedora or #fedora-kde |
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| 17:59.54 | zakia | ok i see only *-devel but i will check on #fedora |
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| 18:07.56 | sgireesh | edgy: kmix gives me the pcm controls at the system tray instead of hda-nvidia |
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| 18:09.36 | Khas2 | Anyone got settings for kmplayer that actually get rid of interlacing artifacts? I've been messing around for hours with it and can't find anything :-( |
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| 18:16.28 | doxtor | hi, is there a way to setup alternating pictures for desktop background? |
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| 18:16.52 | doxtor | nvm, I see, there's a slideshow |
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| 18:27.31 | luke-jr | KDE 4.1 KMail is so slooow in composing â¹ |
| 18:27.47 | luke-jr | typing takes too long to show up |
| 18:28.50 | sandsmark | luke-jr: you're doing it wrong |
| 18:28.53 | sandsmark | it's instant here |
| 18:29.04 | enyawix | is kde 4.x close to being in distros? without having to install kde 4.x by hand |
| 18:29.12 | sandsmark | ? |
| 18:29.16 | sandsmark | enyawix: most distros have it |
| 18:29.21 | sandsmark | some have dropped kde 3 already |
| 18:29.42 | luke-jr | sandsmark: doing what wrong? Typing an email? |
| 18:29.47 | sandsmark | yes =) |
| 18:29.53 | sandsmark | or setting up your Xorg |
| 18:30.32 | enyawix | sandsmark my distro has 4.x but it keeps 3.x around :( |
| 18:31.10 | Jucato | enyawix: you'll want that... at least for now |
| 18:31.33 | Jucato | but by the end of the year or early next year 2 other big KDE distros will only be offering KDE 4 |
| 18:31.49 | enyawix | Jucato ok so must distro keek 3.x around? |
| 18:31.58 | Jucato | that's their choice to make |
| 18:32.32 | Jucato | sources for KDE 3 is always available from KDE. it's up to distros to decide whether they will keep it and for how loing |
| 18:32.34 | Jucato | long* |
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| 18:35.18 | luke-jr | sandsmark: it's only a problem in KMail |
| 18:35.29 | luke-jr | sandsmark: I can compose my message in KWrite and copy it to KMail fine |
| 18:36.28 | _Menda_ | does dolphin crash a lot for you in kde 4.1.1? it crashes when i copy files and when i do certain things |
| 18:37.16 | Jucato | never crashes for me except in relation to display video previews in the info panel |
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| 18:39.02 | _Menda_ | Jucato: for me it crashes a lot. maybe because im using column view |
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| 18:44.12 | workaphobia | Is there a stable (i.e., won't crash my song database) kde application for syncing ipods? (Nano 3G) |
| 18:44.24 | workaphobia | I've been using gtkpod, but I'd rather use a qt or kde app |
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| 18:46.33 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 18:46.43 | luke-jr | workaphobia: Amarok |
| 18:51.33 | workaphobia | god, not amarok |
| 18:51.42 | workaphobia | I used to like that back when it was a minimalist player like xmms |
| 18:51.53 | workaphobia | then it tried to own my user experience |
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| 18:52.00 | Jucato | can't remember when that ever happend :) |
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| 18:52.37 | sidh | hello everybody |
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| 18:53.23 | sidh | i get back from vacation |
| 18:53.30 | sidh | and i read that kde 4.1 has been released |
| 18:53.38 | sidh | i would like to have some feedback if possible |
| 18:53.49 | sidh | so i would like to know if it 's reliable in professionnal environnement |
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| 18:57.26 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:58.02 | DexterF | kmail just crashed, now I got an unsent message in outbox and can't delete it anymore, it just won't do it. how do I get rid of it? |
| 18:58.25 | Rapp | sidh: well, i would wait some time for a 'real workstation'. several important parts have still too many crashes, imho. for tinkering with it at home, it is nice, though. |
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| 18:59.54 | sidh | ok Rapp thank you for your feedback |
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| 19:00.03 | sidh | i will wait again |
| 19:00.45 | sidh | DexterF: for me it is KOrganizer wich make kontact crashing each time i launch it |
| 19:00.49 | sidh | very strange |
| 19:02.01 | tuxick | anyone here using korganizer against egroupware btw? |
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| 19:05.35 | luke-jr | DexterF: try rebuilding the inbox |
| 19:05.37 | luke-jr | err |
| 19:05.37 | luke-jr | index |
| 19:05.58 | DexterF | luke-jr: like how? |
| 19:06.20 | luke-jr | right click on the folder |
| 19:07.19 | DexterF | luke-jr: then what? nothing there like "rebuild index" |
| 19:07.34 | luke-jr | yes there is |
| 19:07.37 | luke-jr | "Rebuild Index" |
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| 19:07.58 | luke-jr | assuming your Outbox is a local folder |
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| 19:08.42 | DexterF | luke-jr: no, the outbox from kmail. |
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| 19:09.33 | dani_l | can anyone recommend me a graphics card (with medium performance) with drivers that don't suck with ARGB visuals? |
| 19:09.52 | luke-jr | dani_l: onboard Intel |
| 19:10.13 | DexterF | ah, fsck. I rm'ed it from outbox/ dir in the filesystem, now it's still there but recipient/sender/subject "unknown" |
| 19:10.48 | dani_l | luke-jr: yes, but i would like to have more performance ;) |
| 19:10.57 | sidh | does this log http://pastebin.com/m8c760bb is revelant for you ? |
| 19:12.35 | noizze_ | Hi, i'm using KDE 4.1 and i played with the panel ...now i cant move the menu icon from the right side back to the left side? Why? |
| 19:13.06 | noizze_ | I tried to track it with the left, right and middle mouse button, it doesnt work |
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| 19:20.31 | sidh | well if i mv the std.ics file , korganizer doesn't crash anymore |
| 19:20.54 | sidh | but i loose my planning |
| 19:21.03 | sidh | strange really |
| 19:21.23 | sidh | maybe something badly formatted in the std.ics |
| 19:21.34 | spectral | noizze_: have you locked the widgets? |
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| 19:22.01 | JPT | er... KDE provides some device-icons on the desktop for every device that's mountable... with a new compiled kernel, these icons aren't shown anymore... any ideas ? |
| 19:23.34 | AlexElliott | Hmmm, some udev/hal breakage? Probably not KDE's fault, I'd ask in the distro channel |
| 19:23.56 | JPT | i think it's some kernel setting i changed... |
| 19:24.15 | JPT | but it would be great to know, which one |
| 19:24.30 | AlexElliott | Did you start fresh or from your old .config? |
| 19:24.54 | JPT | i started fresh... with a completely new source... |
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| 19:25.10 | JPT | it took me more than 3 times in order to get it bootable..but it works :) |
| 19:25.45 | JPT | in the config there were some points about automounter and more... |
| 19:25.55 | noizze_ | spectral: i dont think so ...i've found with google this feature is still missing for KDE4 ...its true? |
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| 19:26.15 | AlexElliott | Hmmm, I did that with my current one, and I didn't have to do anything special to make HAL work. Perhaps missing some required filesystem/device support |
| 19:26.21 | spectral | noizze_: erm.. i can move it around here |
| 19:26.35 | noizze_ | spectral: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Moving_icons_on_the_panel.3F |
| 19:26.42 | AlexElliott | For the hardware other than the HDD, graphics card, stuff that works. |
| 19:26.46 | AlexElliott | Does a manual mount work? |
| 19:26.57 | noizze_ | I use the latest arch build, i think its KDE 4.1.1 |
| 19:26.58 | JPT | yes... without problems... |
| 19:27.16 | JPT | only the little device icons are not there anymore :) |
| 19:27.27 | AlexElliott | Sure that they're enabled? |
| 19:27.35 | JPT | i checked about 5 times |
| 19:27.40 | JPT | they are enabled |
| 19:27.47 | spectral | noizze_: that should be fixed then.. it works here anyway |
| 19:27.58 | JPT | so it's a requirement of them, that's missing somehow |
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| 19:28.12 | AlexElliott | 'fraid I'm stumped then. My suspicion is something wrong with HAL though |
| 19:28.13 | JPT | is there a refference/documentation about the icons |
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| 19:29.06 | noizze_ | spectral: maybe your distribution apply a patch? what are you using? |
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| 19:29.47 | spectral | opensuse 11 with kde4.1.1 |
| 19:30.09 | JPT | is there a special keyword in order to find these device-icons ? |
| 19:30.23 | JPT | (in the documentation) |
| 19:30.35 | spectral | noizze_: and there is no "unlock widgets" when you press the configure button on the right? |
| 19:31.27 | spectral | oh well if you managed to lock them you have to right clock on the desktop and unlock them.. |
| 19:31.33 | spectral | click* |
| 19:31.39 | noizze_ | spectral: i am sure it is unlock |
| 19:32.35 | spectral | well no idea.. perhaps someone else knows |
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| 19:34.28 | Rapp | where do icons on my desktop go, when i click the X next to them? |
| 19:36.47 | noizze_ | spectral: i know if i lock it i can unlock it if i do a right mouse button click on the icon and choose unlock |
| 19:37.57 | noizze_ | never mind, i will try: rm -rf ~/.kde |
| 19:37.59 | sgireesh | Rapp: you need to unlock the widgets and add the icons back |
| 19:38.00 | noizze_ | :) |
| 19:38.13 | sgireesh | noizze: try /topic |
| 19:38.30 | Rapp | sgireesh: how do i do that? |
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| 19:38.59 | Rapp | also i am confused: i cannot just drag the desktop's icons on the trash anymore? because they are widgets?? |
| 19:39.06 | sgireesh | right click and try unlock widgets |
| 19:39.18 | noizze_ | sgireesh: i mean i shouldn't delete my .kde? it won't be recreated? |
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| 19:39.56 | Rapp | sgireesh: they WERE unlocked. i just clicked the X, the icon disappeared, but the file still remains in ~/Desktop |
| 19:40.04 | Rapp | that does not make any sense |
| 19:41.03 | noizze_ | Rapp: I believe we have to wait for KDE 4.2.0 :-| |
| 19:43.05 | Rapp | noizze_: yeah... |
| 19:43.19 | Rapp | somehow i think KDE confused the desktop and the dashboard. :) |
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| 19:45.26 | noizze_ | Is it really a bad idea to rename or delete .kde ? |
| 19:45.34 | JPT | try it |
| 19:45.40 | noizze_ | Why? It worked well for KDE3 |
| 19:45.42 | JPT | you'll see^^ |
| 19:45.55 | noizze_ | JPT: just tell me |
| 19:45.58 | noizze_ | :) |
| 19:46.04 | noizze_ | its a long story? |
| 19:46.04 | JPT | i didn't try yet |
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| 19:46.11 | ffixxx | hi do devices:/ and media:/ still exist in kde411? |
| 19:46.25 | JPT | just kill kdm, mv your .kde to sth else and try to start it.. |
| 19:46.38 | JPT | there are two possible results: |
| 19:46.48 | JPT | 1) kde recovers your .kde |
| 19:46.52 | JPT | 2) it crashes |
| 19:46.55 | noizze_ | i mean ..if i create a new user there's no .kde ...so it must be recreated, right? |
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| 19:47.00 | JPT | it should be |
| 19:47.08 | JPT | hehe |
| 19:47.16 | marko_d | anyone knows a good kde4 alternative to kallery ? |
| 19:47.33 | noizze_ | JPT: i dont use xsessions |
| 19:47.51 | noizze_ | i just quit x |
| 19:47.54 | JPT | okay... my question is still not answered: how do you call the device-icons in the documentation ? |
| 19:48.07 | JPT | xsessions ?... |
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| 19:48.20 | JPT | i still do not exactly know what they are.. |
| 19:48.35 | noizze_ | JPT: i mean i start kde manual with startx |
| 19:48.39 | JPT | but i'm used to start and stop kdm in order to play with the nvidia-module |
| 19:48.47 | JPT | aah..ok^^ |
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| 19:50.15 | noizze_ | of course, i cant remove .kde while kde is running ...but if i quit x11 and remove the folder it shouldnt cause trouble, right? |
| 19:50.27 | JPT | should :) |
| 19:50.37 | zakia | my kde on fedora crashes something to do with plasma here is a log http://pastebin.com/m52c87dc8 any idea ? |
| 19:50.53 | noizze_ | JPT: you love to confuse me :) |
| 19:51.03 | JPT | noizze_: maybe kde has a global file in which it stores "user xy has already .kde" |
| 19:51.04 | JPT | xD |
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| 19:52.14 | noizze_ | JPT: How? It has only write permission to my $HOME folder? And i dont think it store anything outside of .kde ...that make no sense for me |
| 19:52.28 | JPT | i just thought about /etc |
| 19:52.42 | thiago_home | there's an entry that stores whether a user already has a .kde |
| 19:52.43 | noizze_ | JPT: I am NOT root :-P |
| 19:52.50 | thiago_home | it's $HOME/.kde |
| 19:52.51 | thiago_home | :-) |
| 19:52.58 | JPT | :) |
| 19:53.06 | JPT | just an idea... i'm not root, too |
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| 19:53.35 | noizze_ | JPT: If i am not root how can it store anything in /etc? ;-) |
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| 19:53.51 | JPT | yeah... i know... it's just a paranoid idea |
| 19:54.11 | noizze_ | I just like to understand why the topic say "Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4" |
| 19:54.41 | thiago_home | why would you want to delete them? |
| 19:54.57 | JPT | xD |
| 19:55.10 | noizze_ | thiago_home: coz my panel is messed up |
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| 19:55.40 | thiago_home | rename them to something else |
| 19:55.46 | thiago_home | or just the file that is at fault |
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| 19:56.02 | thiago_home | if you delete, not only may you lose information you didn't want to, you can't help us solve the problem once and for all |
| 19:56.24 | zakia | anyone for my signal SIGSEGV |
| 19:56.53 | thiago_home | zakia: bug |
| 19:57.23 | zakia | oh nice how do i file for it |
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| 19:58.07 | DexterF | how do I rebuild .outbox.index ? |
| 19:58.09 | noizze_ | I found many peoples with same isusses: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-05/msg00191.html |
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| 19:59.15 | noizze_ | thiago_home: currently i still use Openbox and haven't much done with KDE4 |
| 19:59.35 | noizze_ | ok, i will try to remove ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletrc |
| 20:00.38 | sandsmark | 22:00 < CIA-48> KDEMod Live: sandsmark * r1743 /branches/kde41-playground/k3b/ (buildfix_ffmpeg.patch PKGBUILD): fix build, for old ffmpeg |
| 20:00.49 | sandsmark | damn, wrong channel |
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| 20:09.14 | Mebibyte | kopete continues to work with mSN |
| 20:09.16 | Mebibyte | lol |
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| 20:18.39 | GraveDigger | Chani: :) |
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| 20:19.38 | GraveDigger | Chani: that topic has been discussed here very often - and at last, when i mention, that i use an unstable version, things get as ridiculous as mrelendigs chat in #archlinux |
| 20:19.44 | GraveDigger | Chani: but again, thanks for the advice |
| 20:19.52 | Chani | ah |
| 20:20.25 | Chani | clearly what you need to do is win the lottery and go buy a new computer with intel hardware ;) |
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| 20:21.03 | GraveDigger | is somewhat proud of his radeon hd, it's a really powerful graphics card |
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| 20:21.15 | GraveDigger | however, linux drivers are crap - i knew that when i bought this card |
| 20:21.32 | JPT | still needs some information about the requirements of device icons |
| 20:21.50 | GraveDigger | and well, i do not want full graphics power on linux, i just want some nice and nifty effects |
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| 20:22.53 | Mebibyte | why juk doesn't work (bsd) |
| 20:22.54 | GraveDigger | Chani: but hey, i would *really* appreciate winning in the lottery, of course :) |
| 20:23.08 | Mebibyte | seems to be plying but don't hear a thing |
| 20:23.15 | estan | hm. there's no IRC client for KDE4 yet? (no ksirc and no konversation, anything else?). |
| 20:23.30 | GraveDigger | estan: well, kopete does irc |
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| 20:25.13 | junkDawgie | you sure, GraveDigger? i thought not |
| 20:25.15 | estan | GraveDigger: hm. yes. actually my question is not because i'm looking for an IRC client for myself. i'm interested in trying to do a SILC client for KDE4. so i immediately though i should take a look at e.g. Konversation, and see how much it would take to re-mold it into a SILC client. |
| 20:25.37 | estan | similar to how the official SILC client is basically irssi re-made into a SILC client. |
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| 20:25.45 | estan | but then i realized Konversation has no KDE4 port yet. |
| 20:25.54 | Chani | Mebibyte: could be a million different things. start with the obvious, like something being muted... |
| 20:26.04 | estan | so i thought i'd see if there was any other dedicated IRC clients for KDE4 i could take a look at. |
| 20:26.07 | Mebibyte | well |
| 20:26.09 | Mebibyte | mplayer works :) |
| 20:26.14 | Chani | ok |
| 20:26.15 | estan | anyway, now i know ;) |
| 20:26.18 | Mebibyte | What configuration do I have to do |
| 20:26.26 | Mebibyte | to make it send a thing to /dev/dsp |
| 20:26.27 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 20:26.30 | Chani | Mebibyte: juk might be using phonon, is phonon set up properly? |
| 20:26.40 | Chani | assuming kde4 |
| 20:26.43 | Mebibyte | define phonon |
| 20:26.43 | Mebibyte | lol |
| 20:26.46 | Mebibyte | yeah k4 |
| 20:27.09 | Chani | estan: there isn't really anything, no |
| 20:27.16 | Chani | uses irssi |
| 20:27.25 | GraveDigger | too |
| 20:27.27 | Chani | someone should make a kde-ified quassel :) |
| 20:27.31 | Mebibyte | ok |
| 20:27.34 | Mebibyte | xine phonon backend |
| 20:27.42 | Mebibyte | should I click on that show OSS devices? |
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| 20:28.05 | estan | Chani: heh, i was just looking at quassel thinking, what if i KDE-ify this first and then make it a SILC client ;) |
| 20:28.10 | supert0nes | is there a way to keep lancelot open on focus follows mouse. I would like for lancelto to be click to exit |
| 20:28.34 | Chani | needs to get around to trying quassel |
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| 20:31.26 | supert0nes | my major problem is that when you have a maximized window and click to open lancelot the tiny space between the panel and lancelot causes the lancelot window to be unfoucesed and closed |
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| 20:34.00 | Chani | supert0nes: put a longer delat on focus-follows-mouse? |
| 20:34.04 | Chani | *delay |
| 20:34.17 | Chani | or figure out why there's a tiny space |
| 20:34.39 | supert0nes | not a bad idea |
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| 20:35.19 | supert0nes | the tiny space seems default for these menus sometimes, gives that nice hover over feel maybe? |
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| 20:38.55 | tuxick | oh dear, on this new install i found out ctrl-tab is already in use for switching between tabs? |
| 20:39.10 | tuxick | how come i've always been using this to switch between desktops |
| 20:40.42 | DexterF | luke-jr: I just had a look at the other folders I created myself: they don't have a "rebuild index" option either. am I looking in the wrong place..? |
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| 20:43.32 | chlue | tuxick: ctrl-tab for switching tabs is normal on windows. Problem is: It was allready taken on Linux before tabs became popular. |
| 20:44.10 | tuxick | oh well, i enabled it again |
| 20:44.21 | tuxick | windows doesn't even have multiple desktops |
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| 20:44.34 | tuxick | that hack they provided was too broken to use |
| 20:44.58 | tuxick | chlue: you might be confusing it with alt-tab ? |
| 20:45.44 | chlue | tuxick: no for ex. in Opera I used ctrl-tab to swich tabs for years. |
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| 20:49.13 | tuxick | ah ok |
| 20:49.23 | tuxick | oh well, i don't use that anyway |
| 20:49.27 | chlue | tuxick: another shortcut I had trouble to get used too when swithcing form windows, was ctrl-F4. I used it to close a tab and had to 'relearn' to press ctrl+w instead. |
| 20:50.04 | tuxick | reminds me, need alt-f4 for closing, f4 for resizing |
| 20:50.40 | tuxick | ah alt-f4 is there already |
| 20:51.26 | Chani | I keep getting "Connection to Server Closed Unexpectedly" |
| 20:51.29 | Chani | er, wrong window |
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| 21:11.25 | netdaemon | anyone know how to keep konqueror from launching ass loads of processes? |
| 21:11.32 | netdaemon | really eats up my memory =\ |
| 21:11.37 | netdaemon | kde 4.1.1 |
| 21:11.59 | sandsmark | netdaemon: have you looked at the settings? |
| 21:12.08 | sandsmark | there's even a "performance" tab... |
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| 21:12.18 | netdaemon | hm |
| 21:12.31 | netdaemon | so Always (use with care), would take care of that? |
| 21:12.39 | sandsmark | probably |
| 21:13.06 | Caster | netdaemon: that's the new "chrome" behavior |
| 21:13.21 | netdaemon | hmmm...one more thing, how do i prevent kopete from using metacontacts |
| 21:13.41 | netdaemon | Caster, you mean the default annoying one that eats up 500 mb of my memory one? |
| 21:13.46 | netdaemon | its annoying moreso than anything |
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| 21:14.04 | netdaemon | its as if the processes i do launch don't kill completely when closed |
| 21:14.37 | Caster | dunno I was just joking |
| 21:14.44 | netdaemon | heh |
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| 21:17.45 | bonsaikitten | I figured it out! |
| 21:18.08 | bonsaikitten | the konsole resize bug - all konsole instances share one "memory" where the last resize event is kept |
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| 21:18.22 | bonsaikitten | if you switch tabs the current konsole window gets resized to the last resize event |
| 21:18.32 | bonsaikitten | (even if that was a totally different window. sigh) |
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| 21:19.22 | gkiagia | heh, that also happens with konqueror on windows and mac :P |
| 21:19.51 | [Kame2] | hi. i want to install kde-trunk on my laptop. i used trunk on an other laptop since a long time, so i am familar with it. the problem now is: i have installed kde 4.1.1 in system and want to install kde-trunk for a seperate user like describet in techbase. the problem: gcc uses /usr/include/strigi/streamendanalyzer.h instead of /home/kde-devel/kde/include/strigi/streamanalyzer.h. is there a generic way to say gcc to look first in |
| 21:19.52 | [Kame2] | /home/kde-devel/kde/include? |
| 21:21.07 | gkiagia | [Kame2]: can't you just uninstall the strigi development headers package of your distro? |
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| 21:22.23 | [Kame2] | i am on gentoo... if i uninstall that, the next update of kde 4.1 would reinstall it... i don't want to always uninstall it after an update... |
| 21:23.25 | lxsameer | when i try to restart or shutdown or log off from my kde3 i see just a black screen and nothing happen |
| 21:23.50 | bonsaikitten | [Kame2]: dude. why are you making things complicated ... |
| 21:24.00 | bonsaikitten | [Kame2]: /j #gentoo-kde4-live :) |
| 21:24.02 | lemma | lxsameer: does it keep staying black forever or does it continue shutting down somewhen? |
| 21:24.45 | lxsameer | lemma : it stay black forever . i do by my hand |
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| 21:25.52 | [Kame2] | if you mean i should install trunk via portage: thats not a solution |
| 21:25.52 | lemma | lxsameer: that sounds like it's having trouble quitting an application. could it be related to an application you're running? |
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| 21:26.30 | lxsameer | lemma : hmmm , so how can i find that? |
| 21:27.08 | lemma | lxsameer: unfortunately I'm not sure. I'd do it by try and error, starting with as few programs running as possible |
| 21:28.01 | lxsameer | lemma: one more problem when i try to change kdm theme via control center i get default theme in start up |
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| 21:30.47 | lemma | lxsameer: I only did that once and it seemed to work. Unfortunately I'm on 4.1 and don't remember what it was supposed to work like |
| 21:31.12 | lemma | lxsameer: I do remember however that there's also an extra application doing it that might work: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDM+Theme+Manager?content=22120 |
| 21:32.04 | lemma | lxsameer: you can also check your /etc/kde(3)/kdm/kdrmc. there's an [X-*-Greeter] section that contains a Theme key where you can put the theme to use |
| 21:32.31 | lxsameer | lemma : i have kde4 too but dolphin is not as powerful as konqueror in kde3 . because of that i still use kde3 |
| 21:32.39 | lxsameer | lemma : thanks |
| 21:33.17 | lemma | lxsameer: you're welcome. here's the section in my kdmrc: http://rafb.net/p/cF8Zde41.html |
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| 21:49.58 | [Kame2] | btw. i am at my girlfriend and here, my konqueror doesn't work very good. often timeouts. after very much testing, i can say, its an dns-problem. if i give the ip, konqueror works fast without timeouts. but konqueror3 and firefox work with no dns-problems... any idea what could be the problem? |
| 21:50.45 | lemma | [Kame2]: I seem to remember something about Qt and broken routers but that might the wrong lane... |
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| 21:52.11 | jparishy | Hey, whenever i start up openSUSE superkarama crashes and i can't use my desktop, does anyone know what I might have done? |
| 21:52.49 | DexterF | can I make dolphin use "detailed view" by default? |
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| 21:53.45 | [Kame2] | lemma: but arora also works. so it can't be an qt problem |
| 21:54.21 | lemma | [Kame2]: that's what I meant by "wrong lane". |
| 21:54.38 | [Kame2] | ;) |
| 21:55.09 | lemma | DexterF: try Menu -> View -> Adjust view properties |
| 21:56.12 | jparishy | Is there a way to explicitly start superkaramba? |
| 21:56.42 | DexterF | lemma: doesn't really work. ask if I want: this folder, this and subfolders or all folders, I say "all", dive into a subdir and its still at "large icons" |
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| 21:57.47 | DexterF | ah, nvm, just wanted to have another look at dolphin since I last checked. Still not there yet. |
| 21:58.08 | lemma | DexterF: well, for me it works. I just put "Use as default for new folders" and it shows everything as detailed |
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| 21:59.50 | DexterF | not here. well. |
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| 22:00.14 | lemma | DexterF: which version are you running? 4.0 or 4.1? |
| 22:00.43 | DexterF | dolphin 0.92 as in kde 3.5.9 |
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| 22:00.56 | DexterF | 0.9.2 that is. |
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| 22:01.00 | lemma | DexterF: oh. that's d3lphin iirc. only partly affiliated |
| 22:01.14 | DexterF | ah, ok |
| 22:01.36 | lemma | DexterF: that's actually not even part of KDE. dolphin is only part of KDE as of 4.0 |
| 22:01.49 | DexterF | so d3lphin doesn't necessarily reflect how dolphin in kde4 works/looks? |
| 22:01.52 | luke-jr | still doesn't see the point to dolphin |
| 22:02.04 | lemma | DexterF: I don't actually know because I never used it |
| 22:02.18 | DexterF | luke-jr: agreed. if they just put the new features into the file browser part of konqueror... |
| 22:02.30 | luke-jr | what new features? |
| 22:03.04 | DexterF | fodler nav, info sidebar with file-specific commands at a mouse click, display of used space on a fs/dev.... |
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| 22:03.21 | DexterF | all nice but a lil incomplete yet |
| 22:03.37 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 22:03.50 | DexterF | plus konq as a file browser is nice. now I need *two* apps running. talk about footprint. |
| 22:04.04 | luke-jr | Konq ftw |
| 22:04.26 | lemma | well, you can still use konqueror for filebrowsing in kde4. no need to use dolphin if you don't want to |
| 22:04.29 | DexterF | well, when filling my mp3 player I could really use space usage infos in real time... |
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| 22:05.03 | luke-jr | Amarok corrupts my iPod Shuffle â¹ |
| 22:05.11 | DexterF | but why for example dolphin doesnt list "open with kaffeine/mplayer/<custom entry> in the info sidebar is beyond me. |
| 22:05.22 | luke-jr | I'm glad I made a dd-backup |
| 22:05.27 | luke-jr | or else I'd probably be screwed |
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| 22:11.24 | qknight | if i want a 3d desktop with this special task swithing animation |
| 22:11.34 | qknight | is plasma the thing i have to install for it? |
| 22:12.11 | qknight | http://rafb.net/p/Wxj6M985.html |
| 22:12.35 | qknight | plasma wants an older version than the current kdelibs are |
| 22:12.38 | qknight | is that right? |
| 22:12.48 | friedrich| | no |
| 22:13.19 | friedrich| | and you want to have kwin from kde4/kde4.1/kde4svn |
| 22:13.23 | friedrich| | and not plasma |
| 22:14.53 | friedrich| | first.. "mkdir /usr/local/portage/profiles/ && echo mylocaloverlay >> /usr/local/portage/profiles/repo_name" |
| 22:14.55 | friedrich| | and second.. |
| 22:15.50 | friedrich| | umm.. unmask kdelibs I'd say.. |
| 22:15.57 | friedrich| | though.. that's strange. |
| 22:16.30 | friedrich| | qknight: you might anyway want to try kde-4.1 or kde4svn instead of kde-4.0.x |
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| 22:16.58 | qknight | friedrich|: i've installed kde4svn from this layman overlay thing |
| 22:17.11 | mastertheknife | #flood |
| 22:17.16 | mastertheknife | ops |
| 22:17.21 | qknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.25 | dudeman | hey |
| 22:17.27 | dudeman | am I online? |
| 22:17.31 | dudeman | can you see me? |
| 22:17.32 | friedrich| | qknight: then you might want to bother ppl in #gentoo-kde4-live |
| 22:17.34 | dudeman | hello |
| 22:17.40 | qknight | friedrich|: thanks |
| 22:17.41 | dudeman | PEOPLE OF KDE |
| 22:17.45 | dudeman | CAN U SEE ME |
| 22:17.46 | dudeman | ? |
| 22:17.47 | Jarvellis | dudeman, yes |
| 22:17.51 | dudeman | oh ok |
| 22:17.52 | dudeman | cool |
| 22:18.03 | Jarvellis | deep breaths |
| 22:18.13 | dudeman | yes |
| 22:18.27 | friedrich| | Jarvellis: don't start shouting too please :/ |
| 22:18.45 | Jarvellis | friedrich|, i did not shout |
| 22:19.15 | dudeman | np: [Gypsy Kings] - [] - [Flamenco Nights] - [Spanish] - [4:04m] - [0] - [6/6] |
| 22:19.16 | friedrich| | but you were taking a deep breathe - I just feared you were about to shout |
| 22:19.20 | dudeman | oops |
| 22:19.26 | friedrich| | dudeman: please. Don't use these scripts here. |
| 22:19.36 | dudeman | friedrich|, 06:18 < dudeman> oops |
| 22:19.42 | Jarvellis | friedrich|, it was a recomendation, for the calming of hyperoxia |
| 22:19.42 | friedrich| | dudeman: please, don't use CAPS here. People get the impression you were shouting at them. |
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| 22:20.02 | dudeman | friedrich|, OKAY! I WON'T USE CAPS ANYMORE! |
| 22:20.07 | dudeman | friedrich|, /ignore dudeman |
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| 22:20.10 | dudeman | friedrich|, call it a night. |
| 22:20.17 | friedrich| | dudeman: stop being annoying. |
| 22:20.25 | sandsmark | dudeman: everyone thinks it it annoying |
| 22:20.25 | dudeman | friedrich|, then stop not ignoring me. |
| 22:20.26 | sandsmark | please stop |
| 22:20.39 | dudeman | its like a nagging wife... |
| 22:20.45 | sandsmark | yes you are |
| 22:20.46 | sandsmark | =p |
| 22:20.46 | dudeman | even after you stop and/or say oops |
| 22:20.49 | dudeman | they keep naggin ya |
| 22:21.00 | sandsmark | I won't say anymore if you don't =) |
| 22:21.15 | dudeman | jeez |
| 22:21.18 | dudeman | lighten the fuck up. |
| 22:21.49 | dudeman | sandsmark, ok :) |
| 22:22.42 | dudeman | oh and on a side note... |
| 22:22.49 | dudeman | friedrich|, I'm not responsible for people's perception. |
| 22:22.59 | dudeman | anyway, enough. good day |
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| 22:23.26 | friedrich| | but you are responsible for your attitude. |
| 22:23.36 | DexterF | friedrich|: don't feed the trolls |
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| 22:24.08 | friedrich| | DexterF: but he fed me first :/ |
| 22:24.15 | mastertheknife | lol.. |
| 22:24.17 | dudeman | first? |
| 22:24.26 | dudeman | what are you in kindergarten? |
| 22:24.37 | dudeman | I maybe immature, but that is no reason for your to act that way, is it? |
| 22:24.38 | friedrich| | I was kidding, sorry. Been implicating I was a troll. |
| 22:24.53 | DexterF | well, be a grown up and walk from it in wise fscking silence, will ya |
| 22:24.57 | friedrich| | dudeman: you weren't feeding me, its alright. |
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| 22:25.23 | friedrich| | DexterF: walking from it in wise fscking silence I will. |
| 22:25.36 | dudeman | I been in #kde for years dude... years... I localize it in my language and contribute... you need not tell me how to behave in here. |
| 22:25.48 | dudeman | Try and give me at least that much eh? |
| 22:25.51 | dudeman | *sigh* |
| 22:25.58 | DexterF | marks day in calendar: someone on irc listened to advice on social matters |
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| 22:27.34 | mx-tvt | hello. Whenever I click Icon properties, plasma crashes. And if I try to view any folder preferences in dolphin or konqueror they also crash with signal 11. I am using 4.1.65, gentoo. |
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| 22:28.18 | stoned | mx-tvt, I would advise checking the gentoo bug tracker |
| 22:28.31 | stoned | mx-tvt, it doesnt' happen here so imo it must be a gentoo specific package bug? |
| 22:28.49 | GarulfoUnix | hello everyone |
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| 22:29.01 | stoned | I've kubuntu and debian experimental kde4 and it doesn't mess up here |
| 22:29.38 | friedrich| | stoned: #gentoo-kde4-live is the right channel to ask for help. |
| 22:29.39 | mx-tvt | stoned, the strange thing is that this didn't happen at first. But I had a permissions problem with my home folder and the next time I logged in this happened. Don't know if it is connected though :/ I didn't install any new packages or changed any configs |
| 22:29.47 | friedrich| | Ups. |
| 22:29.50 | friedrich| | sorry stoned |
| 22:29.54 | stoned | friedrich|, thank you. Direct the other gentleman there. |
| 22:29.56 | friedrich| | mx-tvt: #gentoo-kde4-live |
| 22:29.56 | GarulfoUnix | i've created a MIME type but i'm looking for give an argument to the program |
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| 22:29.59 | stoned | its quite alright |
| 22:30.23 | mx-tvt | freeedrich|, thank you :) |
| 22:30.28 | GarulfoUnix | someone can tell me what is the format ? , %s or anything else ? |
| 22:30.39 | GarulfoUnix | % U |
| 22:30.41 | stoned | it varies |
| 22:30.58 | pinotree | no need to specify anything, if the app just takes a single file as parameter |
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| 22:31.40 | freeedrich| | no problem, I'm happy I could be of help. |
| 22:32.06 | pinotree | otherwise, see http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s06.html for the possible placeholders |
| 22:32.13 | pinotree | GarulfoUnix: â |
| 22:32.18 | stoned | hey |
| 22:32.25 | stoned | pinotree, how did you make that arrow? |
| 22:32.35 | pinotree | with a keyboard? |
| 22:32.44 | stoned | of course |
| 22:32.45 | DexterF | pinotree: totally offtopic: how do you make that arrow? |
| 22:32.47 | stoned | but how |
| 22:32.49 | GarulfoUnix | pinotree: thank you :] |
| 22:32.54 | stoned | DexterF, with a keyboard! |
| 22:32.55 | stoned | :) |
| 22:33.11 | stoned | what did you do with your keyboard to produce that arrow? pinotree |
| 22:33.22 | stoned | (and don't say I pushed buttons/keys) |
| 22:33.23 | stoned | hahaha |
| 22:33.30 | pinotree | sltgr + shift + i |
| 22:33.35 | pinotree | *altgr |
| 22:33.58 | freeedrich| | like this: ı |
| 22:33.59 | DexterF | ? |
| 22:34.01 | DexterF | :( |
| 22:34.01 | stoned | why can't I make one? |
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| 22:34.05 | stoned | what is a altgr? |
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| 22:34.14 | DexterF | stoned: a key |
| 22:34.20 | pinotree | the alt key on the right |
| 22:34.26 | stoned | which right? |
| 22:34.31 | stoned | towards the keypad num? |
| 22:34.38 | stoned | oh my right |
| 22:34.41 | friedrich| | That remembers me of "What is the ANY key?" - though "Alt Gr" really exists ;) |
| 22:35.04 | stoned | I made right alt + shift + i |
| 22:35.06 | stoned | nothing happen |
| 22:35.31 | freeedrich| | âââ ! |
| 22:35.41 | freeedrich| | :P |
| 22:35.50 | stoned | :( |
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| 22:36.06 | freeedrich| | Ã <- looks nice too |
| 22:36.33 | freeedrich| | â â that exists as well! |
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| 22:37.08 | freeedrich| | and finally: â :) |
| 22:37.48 | skyjumper | how do you apply DPI changes made in ~/.kde/share/config/kcmfonts? |
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| 22:44.38 | luke-jr | freeedrich|: my font has none of those |
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| 22:46.41 | GraveDigger | Chani: oh, xps m1330? nice one :) |
| 22:46.47 | GraveDigger | hope you have fun with it :) |
| 22:47.00 | freeedrich| | luke-jr: that's why one shouldn't be using those. |
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| 22:50.40 | Dynac | hello |
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| 22:51.29 | Dynac | I have a question, I am using fedora9 with KDE installed in kde when i use konsole and press ctrl+s I get a message saying that the output is suspended (xon/xoff) how can i change that, |
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| 22:52.00 | Dynac | and also I cant find the kde control centre anymore has it been removed? |
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| 23:00.47 | junkDawgie | kde4? look for personal settings |
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| 23:02.01 | luke-jr | freeedrich|: actually, I disagree; I should just stop being lazy and add them to my font |
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| 23:10.29 | Dynac | i cant find it |
| 23:10.56 | pinotree | systemsettings |
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| 23:32.06 | greeg | hi |
| 23:32.32 | greeg | my kde welcome screen, where it prompts for your user name and password. how can i change the background wall paper. |
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| 23:34.28 | d_garbage | greeg kde 3 or 4? |
| 23:34.52 | greeg | 3.5 d_garbage |
| 23:36.07 | d_garbage | I think its Control centre -> Sys Admin -> Login Mgr -> Background , but i never tried changing it myself. Have a look |
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| 23:36.39 | greeg | oh under sys admin |
| 23:37.07 | greeg | thanx d_garbage |
| 23:37.27 | greeg | d_garbage: btw, you have to run kcontrol as root since the widgets under the background tab are greyed out. |
| 23:40.04 | d_garbage | Use "Admin Mode" button at bottom of screen |
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| 23:49.18 | drivamgr2008Spri | Evening all. |
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| 23:59.25 | mtgibbs | hi...I'm having problems with both kmail 1.10.1 and kopete 0.60.1 crashing when inputting text |
| 23:59.42 | mtgibbs | can anyone help me find out if it's a known problem? |
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