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| 00:42.58 | oneforall | awe darn konq flash loads ok but click and it does open or do anything now :( 64bit kde 3.5.9 |
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| 01:10.27 | JuJuBee | Hey all. |
| 01:10.39 | JuJuBee | Im new to kde4 and have a few questions... |
| 01:11.27 | JuJuBee | I used to keep my most used programs on the taskbar next to the kmenu, how do I add an app there now? |
| 01:11.59 | Foriskak | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/phonon tells me it doesn't exist |
| 01:12.06 | Foriskak | how do I get phonon? where is it? |
| 01:12.22 | JuJuBee | Also, I added the "old style" kmenu widget and it appears on the right, how can I move it to the left? |
| 01:14.38 | Dunedan | Foriskak: maybe there? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/phonon/ |
| 01:15.04 | Foriskak | thanks |
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| 01:42.08 | nat2610 | Hi all, I have a question. I'm using kde/linux in vmware so my resolution kind of change often since I go from fullscreen to wodows mode with vmware. The effect on kde is that the windows are always changing their position and size. Sometime I have a small windows open but because a border touch the bottom of the windows when I go back fullscreen is would extend it to keep the windows hoocked to the border of the window (vm windows) is there a way in kde to disa |
| 01:42.08 | nat2610 | ble that ? |
| 01:43.22 | g2g591 | not sure |
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| 03:04.26 | McEnroe | Can I make kphotoalbum sort by the DateOriginal Exif field instead of DateTime (which was modified by other applications)? |
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| 03:15.43 | padde | McEnroe: don't know if it's possible. if you want to get your Exif timestamps as file modified timestamps again, you can do that easily with exiv2 (which is not an answer to your question ;) ) |
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| 03:22.39 | McEnroe | padde: is exif2 a kde thing or a third party tool? |
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| 03:23.22 | padde | McEnroe: it's 3rd party (http://www.exiv2.org/) - and yes, it's correct spelling is 'exiv2', not exif2. |
| 03:23.40 | padde | McEnroe: it's a neat command line tool |
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| 04:16.53 | The_Dr | Hi I use kde4 and kmail, but I cannot send anything with kmail. It has suddenly died on me. I can recieve HELP!! |
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| 05:13.00 | coteyr | I was headed for the kde 4 channel but ok. I am using the kde4.1 beta. I am tying to configure kate's external tools plugin. but I can't see to figure it out. Where is the configuration panel, or if theres no tool yet, what files do I edit? |
| 05:13.29 | hanzahar | can some recommend kde apps that plays .mov |
| 05:13.46 | coteyr | kaffine with xinelib |
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| 05:14.37 | hanzahar | coteyr thxs |
| 05:14.43 | coteyr | np |
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| 05:38.37 | z0man | Anyone know how to AUTH with quakenet with Konversation? |
| 05:38.58 | z0man | Been trying to do this for a while....Even launchpad provided a Solved with no solution!? |
| 05:39.31 | z0man | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+questions |
| 05:40.14 | z0man | Yes I am using ubuntu :p |
| 05:40.28 | Jucato | z0man: try asking in #konversation |
| 05:40.50 | z0man | aha oops |
| 05:40.53 | z0man | and thx |
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| 05:44.23 | z0man | ga |
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| 06:15.57 | WoK | hi |
| 06:16.19 | WoK | today when system boot and kdm starts, all words are ineligible |
| 06:17.39 | Drantin | unlegible ? |
| 06:17.43 | Drantin | illegible? |
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| 06:18.12 | WoK | unlegible |
| 06:18.28 | WoK | all letters are small black points |
| 06:18.47 | WoK | how the font are so small, :\ |
| 06:20.10 | lemma | WoK: did you recently upgrade your distribution's packages? On my debian box fonts change only if I upgrade some packages |
| 06:20.23 | lemma | (usually they don't get that small though) |
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| 06:21.02 | WoK | yes |
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| 06:21.08 | WoK | how can fixed? |
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| 06:24.20 | WoK | can? |
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| 06:38.29 | Drantin | is it possible to allow kde3 apps to work with dcop while kde4 is running? |
| 06:38.43 | Drantin | I'm trying to use some scripts for amarok 1.4 that use dcop... |
| 06:38.56 | supert0nes | i'm running ubuntu and dcop works just fine |
| 06:39.01 | supert0nes | kubuntu kde4 |
| 06:39.38 | supert0nes | in my processes i have dcopserver running |
| 06:39.46 | lemma | WoK: sorry, I don't know :-( maybe ask in your distributions channel what caused the change. it's usually not a KDE problem - unless you have to manually reconfigure the fonts used in the kdm settings dialog |
| 06:39.46 | WoK | any know how fix problem with fonts ? cannot read nothing on my x server |
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| 06:39.51 | WoK | umm |
| 06:40.01 | WoK | im installing gdm and nothing :( |
| 06:40.08 | lemma | WoK: same problem? |
| 06:40.11 | WoK | yes |
| 06:40.40 | lemma | WoK: you might check /etc/fonts/fonts.conf (in case that exists on your system) and try to make sense of it, but I'm not an expert |
| 06:41.16 | lemma | WoK: I'd advise to ask in your distribution's channel. maybe that's a known problem with a known fix |
| 06:41.29 | WoK | ok |
| 06:41.33 | WoK | thanks :) |
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| 06:42.23 | lemma | welcome |
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| 06:53.17 | Anarky | hi |
| 06:53.55 | Anarky | I remember someone on the planet talked about prebuild packages of the svn |
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| 06:54.04 | Anarky | nightly builds or so |
| 06:54.08 | Anarky | for KDE4 |
| 06:54.14 | thiago_home | KDE4Daily |
| 06:54.14 | lemma | Anarky: are you maybe referring to kde4daily? |
| 06:54.20 | Anarky | I think it was targeted on ubuntu |
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| 06:54.28 | Anarky | yeah, thank you both ! |
| 06:54.33 | lemma | Anarky: then it's not that. kde4daily is a qemu package |
| 06:54.43 | Anarky | oh, ok |
| 06:54.50 | lemma | Anarky: it's a virtual machine running in qemu on every distribution |
| 06:55.05 | Anarky | I think I am confusing with neon |
| 06:55.11 | Jucato | you were perhaps confusing it with the amarok nightly builds |
| 06:55.16 | Anarky | yup |
| 06:55.19 | lemma | I was about to bring neon up :) |
| 06:55.47 | Anarky | too bad there isn't any neon equivalent for KDE4 |
| 06:55.55 | lemma | there's also pretty regular debian packages but that's unofficial as of now |
| 06:56.32 | Anarky | well ... I'm using the packages from experimental right now |
| 06:56.52 | Anarky | but ... thay oftent lag for one week ore more |
| 06:56.55 | Anarky | they |
| 06:57.02 | Anarky | often |
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| 06:57.26 | lemma | Anarky: I think they aren't even in experimental yet. some debian maintainer is keeping somewhere else, but I don't know where (or if they actually work) |
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| 06:57.54 | level1 | hi, theres a window on my desktop that I want to disappear... I can't close the app associated with it because my kde apps with all crash then |
| 06:58.00 | The_Dr | I have a problem with kmail it no longer send emails via kmail, I get "currently not permitted to relay through this server. Perhaps you have not logged into the pop/imap server in the last 30 minutes or do not have SMTP Authentication turned on in your email client" - I do not login to the server I never have to send, just recieve |
| 06:58.02 | Anarky | lemma: actually experimental has KDE4.1-svn packages |
| 06:58.08 | level1 | I try pressing alt-f3 but it just does it for another window |
| 06:58.13 | lemma | Anarky: oh! then I missed that so far :-) thanks |
| 06:58.36 | Anarky | but you are right, there has to be another package source more up to date |
| 06:59.04 | lemma | level1: what do you mean by "disappear"? minimize? tray? move to different desktop? |
| 06:59.39 | Anarky | The_Dr: you "have a problem with kmail it no longer send emails" but you "never have to send, just recieve" |
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| 06:59.43 | Anarky | I don't get it |
| 06:59.43 | lemma | The_Dr: but that's a message from the smtp server while kmail is trying to send a mail |
| 07:00.14 | lemma | The_Dr: it should work if you enter your login information for the smtp server - most smtp servers I know require that nowadays |
| 07:00.52 | The_Dr | lemma: sorry it was meant to say I have never needed to login to the server to send mail, only recieve, so I do not know what it is on about |
| 07:02.06 | level1 | lemma: anything... kdocker seem to work, but it didn't want to because its not a normal window |
| 07:02.10 | lemma | The_Dr: either the server changed configuration to fight spammers or it uses smtp-after-pop. to figure out make kmail fetch mail from the pop server, then immediately after try to send the mail again |
| 07:02.12 | level1 | but it seems alright |
| 07:02.28 | lemma | The_Dr: if it still doesn't work you'll have to change your config |
| 07:02.36 | The_Dr | lemma: I tried all the authentication protocols on smtp but it keeps saying "authentication mechanism not supported" |
| 07:02.48 | The_Dr | lemma: how do i do that? |
| 07:02.59 | lemma | The_Dr: it doesn't even support PLAIN or LOGIN? |
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| 07:03.19 | lemma | The_Dr: if it doesn't, try switching on SSL or TLS - maybe the server only allows authentication on secure connections |
| 07:03.23 | Ayabara | where do I adjust the panel size in KDE4? |
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| 07:03.39 | Anarky | Ayabara: what kde4 version ? |
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| 07:03.50 | lemma | level1: sorry, I never had the need to do something like that, so I don't really know. I'd probably just put it on another desktop using kwin |
| 07:03.55 | Ayabara | Anarky: 4.1 Beta 1 |
| 07:04.02 | Anarky | in kde4.0, the short answer is : you can't |
| 07:04.06 | annma | Ayabara: you have a small thing far at the right |
| 07:04.10 | lemma | Ayabara: click the cashew and drag the upper border |
| 07:04.17 | annma | Anarky: ? |
| 07:04.22 | Anarky | in .1, go to the cashew I think |
| 07:04.26 | Dumble | hello world ! |
| 07:04.30 | annma | Ayabara: click on this cashew-like thing |
| 07:04.35 | lemma | afaik 4.0.x has a dialog to modify the size |
| 07:04.44 | lemma | hello Dumble ! |
| 07:04.49 | Anarky | ok, really ? |
| 07:04.56 | Anarky | s/ok/oh/ |
| 07:05.10 | lemma | Anarky: regarding I never installed a release version I'm not entirely sure |
| 07:05.28 | The_Dr | lemma: I got the bugger, it is a starnge bug. It seems to send 4 password authentications at once. Never seen that before |
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| 07:06.03 | Anarky | oh, yeah, you can change the heigth, but not the width |
| 07:06.05 | lemma | The_Dr: wow, that sounds amazing. is that the kde3 or the kde4 version? |
| 07:06.09 | Ayabara | annma: lemma, thanks |
| 07:06.25 | lemma | Ayabara: you're welcome |
| 07:06.25 | The_Dr | lemma: KDE4, pulled straight from the opensuse factory repo. Gotta file this one |
| 07:07.02 | Anarky | see you |
| 07:07.10 | lemma | The_Dr: this will be a fun bug trying to reproduce I fear :-) |
| 07:07.27 | Ayabara | Is setting "No Audio Output" in System Notifications -> Player Settings the preferred way to turn off all system notification sounds? |
| 07:07.37 | Anarky | and thank you again for the KDE4Daily thiago & lemma |
| 07:07.40 | The_Dr | lemma: LOL not my job, I just find them |
| 07:07.56 | Anarky | I'll try to find if I can install it on a plain kubuntu install |
| 07:07.58 | lemma | The_Dr: yeah. I was referring to the developers fun, not yours :D |
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| 07:08.29 | lemma | Anarky: you can run it on any platform qemu supports |
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| 07:13.00 | Ayabara | The multimedia hotkeys on my laptop isn't exactly working in kde4. Missing package, or do I need to configure manually somewhere? |
| 07:14.32 | Anarky | lemma: yeah, but as the image is based on kubuntu, I guess I could tweak it a little to install it directly on a computer, no vitualisation software |
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| 07:14.47 | Anarky | I'd like to be able to use compositing & so |
| 07:15.21 | Anarky | Ayabara: I thin, they work if your keybord model is defined ok |
| 07:15.31 | Anarky | you can look in systemsettings |
| 07:16.24 | Anarky | what does it do if you run xev, but the mouse in the square and press a multimedia key ? |
| 07:16.32 | Anarky | what event does it report ? |
| 07:18.24 | Ayabara | Anarky: it says XF86AudioLowerVolume/RaiseVolum and XF86AudioMute |
| 07:18.24 | Anarky | 3rd line of the block : state HEX keycode DEC (keysym HEX, HERE) ... |
| 07:18.32 | Ayabara | so it seems to be close :-) |
| 07:18.42 | Anarky | ok, then your keyboard is configured properly |
| 07:19.08 | Anarky | now you just have to affect these key as shortcuts for whatever action you want :) |
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| 07:22.22 | Ayabara | Anarky: where do I do that? can't find anything kmix or volume related in Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 07:24.43 | erik-k | How do I tell Konqueror to use kwallet to store a site's login info if I told it to not store and don't ask previously? |
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| 07:25.06 | erik-k | It's gone and spoiled me - I'm sick of typing my password into /. :) |
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| 07:32.32 | Ayabara | anyone else? how can I assign the key the gives the event XF86AudioLowerVolume to an action? |
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| 07:36.43 | erik-k | Ayabara: Try 'mod xmodmap' while I keep googling |
| 07:36.51 | erik-k | erm, man xmodmap |
| 07:36.53 | erik-k | >_< |
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| 07:41.48 | Ayabara | erik-k: ok. in kde3 with kmilo installed I think there was a place in System Settings where I could do this |
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| 07:42.13 | erik-k | I don't think xmodmap is what you're looking for though... |
| 07:42.17 | erik-k | now that I looked a bit more |
| 07:42.27 | Drantin | keyboard layouts help... |
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| 07:43.17 | Drantin | now if I could find the one that would let my laptop's multimedia keys work and still have my normal buttons working correctly :-/ |
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| 07:44.12 | erik-k | More of the 'black magic' that is the x* utilities |
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| 07:48.36 | Ayabara | Can't find any layout that seems obvious to my Dell XPS laptop |
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| 07:53.48 | erik-k | Ayabara: kmix -> settings -> global shortcuts? |
| 07:54.14 | hedin | hi... i got http://nopaste.com/p/albyPLHVM error, when using Krdc... |
| 07:54.59 | Ayabara | erik-k: I only found a setting for Mute there (in Configure Shortcuts) |
| 07:55.37 | erik-k | Huh, mine shows mute and increase/decrease master volume. 3.5.9? |
| 07:55.59 | erik-k | scratch that, 3.5.8 here. |
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| 07:57.17 | erik-k | hedin: try running krdc from inside valgrind to see where it's crashing |
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| 07:57.24 | Ayabara | erik-k: my initial question was how to get it working in kde4 :-) |
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| 07:57.37 | erik-k | oh, I wasn't here for that lol |
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| 07:58.30 | erik-k | Step 1: save everything in the kxb mappings. step 2: change it from kmix. Step 3: run a diff and see what it did? |
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| 08:01.06 | Dumble | will it become one day possible to use Phonon::VideoWidget into a QGraphicsProxyWidget ? |
| 08:02.49 | fde | Dumble: Make it possible yourself, and submit it to Qt? |
| 08:03.02 | fde | Dumble: Things are always quicker when you do it yourself. |
| 08:03.42 | Dumble | I know, but I don't think I have the competences to do that :( |
| 08:03.47 | Dumble | it was just a question |
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| 08:06.24 | fde | Dumble: If you do something that isn't good enough, they'll just clean up the code provided it isn't too hard to understand, and submit it still. |
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| 08:08.37 | Dumble | because I'm trying to put a VideoWidget in a QGraphicsView with : "m_p->vWidget = new Phonon::VideoWidget(this->scene()->view[0];" and I'm placing the widget with some sort of mapToParent blablablah, and it worked well until someday but know it doesn't work anymore :s |
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| 08:11.52 | Jucato | points Dumble to either #qt or #kde-devel (or maybe even #phonon ) |
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| 08:12.36 | Dumble | i'm already on #qt |
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| 08:13.03 | Dumble | I asked to this a time ago, I wanted to know if things have evolved |
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| 08:16.00 | oberling | /joing #kde-devel |
| 08:16.03 | oberling | :-) |
| 08:16.07 | oberling | damn |
| 08:17.29 | annma | Dumble: all QWidget derived can be used in a QGraphicsProxyWidget |
| 08:17.43 | annma | is you Phonon class derived from QWidget? |
| 08:18.18 | Dumble | annma, yes, it is |
| 08:18.45 | Dumble | a guy on #qt explained to me that is has something to do width window id |
| 08:18.48 | Dumble | with* |
| 08:20.04 | annma | for Qt devel questions #qt is appropriate, yes |
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| 08:27.40 | Dyllan | hi all. Can someone tell me where Kmail keeps its mimetypes associations? Which file, per user? I have associated an .rtf file with openoffice but i see nowhere to change it.. . - thanks. |
| 08:28.53 | cb400f | Dyllan: kcontrol -> kde components -> file associations |
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| 08:29.54 | Dumble | grmbl |
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| 08:30.21 | Dyllan | cb400f, that seems to be in general, re. desktop/home folder but it does not change the association for kmail.. . |
| 08:31.22 | cb400f | I'm pretty sure kmail uses the global kde file associations |
| 08:31.30 | pinotree | it does, correct |
| 08:31.35 | cb400f | maybe it needs to be restarted or something if things are changed |
| 08:33.24 | Dyllan | ok, if so which file contains this information, and what if each user has a different preference as to which application kmail uses to open a certain file? for example one user could use koffice to open docs while another user on the same system would prefer openoffice. this could not be specified in the kcontrol center, do you follow? |
| 08:34.03 | pinotree | no, this can set in the kde control center |
| 08:34.31 | pinotree | and no, there's no difference between the preferences for kmail and the ones for any other application, |
| 08:34.45 | cb400f | Dyllan: kcontrol is run as a user.. different users can have different settings in kcontrol |
| 08:34.57 | Dyllan | pinotree, fine, but i would like to know which file is written to when those changes are made, i would like to do it from the command line? |
| 08:34.57 | pinotree | if you set eg the pdf files to be opened with kwrite, ALL the kde applications will use that |
| 08:35.25 | pinotree | Dyllan: can't you just open the control center? doing manually is not an easy task |
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| 08:37.23 | Dyllan | pinotree, no i have my desktop restricted for non-power users, so i am unable to open kcontrol, i prefer to do everything manually, unfortunately in this case i do not know which file to edit.. . |
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| 08:37.44 | pinotree | there is not a "single file" to edit. |
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| 08:38.55 | Dyllan | i disagree. |
| 08:39.35 | pinotree | no, there is not a single one, you agree or not |
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| 08:42.33 | fde | always finds it funny when users argue with known devs |
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| 08:47.25 | friedrich| | no kaudiocreator port so far? |
| 08:47.45 | pinotree | trunk/extragear/multimedia |
| 08:48.33 | friedrich| | hm, it changed name? |
| 08:48.36 | pinotree | nope |
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| 08:54.17 | friedrich| | kbounce (trunk) doesn't finish loading and takes a big part of CPU, not doing anything. |
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| 08:56.48 | annma | friedrich|: run it through gdb |
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| 08:57.39 | halphaz_ | hello |
| 08:59.08 | friedrich| | not much happens.. |
| 08:59.44 | annma | what revision is it? |
| 08:59.58 | annma | when it is frozen, ctrl C then bt |
| 09:00.58 | halphaz_ | °_° |
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| 09:01.16 | halphaz_ | probably i'm wrong... but without ccache it takes 20 minutes |
| 09:01.24 | annma | what halphaz_ |
| 09:01.41 | halphaz_ | wuth ccache it takes 15 minutes |
| 09:01.42 | halphaz_ | °_° |
| 09:01.55 | annma | what takes that time? |
| 09:01.59 | gaboo | annma: Hi |
| 09:02.04 | annma | hey gaboo :) |
| 09:02.14 | gaboo | annma: how are you ? |
| 09:02.33 | annma | fine gaboo, you? |
| 09:03.35 | gaboo | fine too ! I'm starting using kde 4.1 beta at work. It's at a point I can actually work with it now. There's just a little problem and maybe you know about it. |
| 09:03.56 | halphaz_ | however it's strange, because it's the first compile... and ccache should not work so much during first compile |
| 09:04.02 | annma | let's see gaboo |
| 09:04.13 | annma | halphaz_: do not talk about the same thing in 2 channels, OK |
| 09:04.14 | gaboo | annma: my global shortcuts works when starting my kde session, but stops working after a while, sometimes several hours, and this morning, just a few minutes. Do you have any idea ? |
| 09:04.31 | annma | gaboo: maybe it's kded4 daemon that dies |
| 09:04.47 | gaboo | It seems a known problem, I've read many thing about global shortcuts, but I've no real idea. |
| 09:04.50 | gaboo | ah |
| 09:04.53 | gaboo | let's see |
| 09:04.55 | annma | global shortcuts have been a real problem since 4.0 |
| 09:04.55 | halphaz_ | and... weeeeeeeee.... it installs even without sudo :-) |
| 09:05.02 | annma | halphaz_: stop it, now |
| 09:05.11 | halphaz_ | ok, |
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| 09:05.53 | gaboo | ah indeed, i have kded launched, but no kded4 |
| 09:06.07 | annma | I don't know why it dies though |
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| 09:06.39 | gaboo | sends cookies to annma |
| 09:06.43 | gaboo | That's it ! |
| 09:06.46 | gaboo | Thanks ! |
| 09:07.17 | annma | :) |
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| 09:10.51 | Drantin | any reason why launching kde3 apps from a command line in KDE4 lets dcop work with them, but from the kde4 run dialog doesn't? |
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| 09:13.03 | annma | Drantin: there's no runner for it maybe |
| 09:13.10 | annma | did you look at the list? |
| 09:13.46 | annma | hmm I misunderstood the question |
| 09:13.59 | annma | I thought you typed a dcop command in krunner |
| 09:14.16 | Drantin | nah, trying to get AmarokPidgin working in amarok |
| 09:14.31 | Drantin | it works if I launch it from konsole, but not from krunner |
| 09:14.50 | Drantin | as best I can tell there's probably an environment variable somewhere... |
| 09:15.18 | annma | do you have the same user? |
| 09:15.23 | annma | for DKE3 and 4? |
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| 09:15.51 | _apk | Hi! :) |
| 09:16.11 | Drantin | yes |
| 09:16.21 | annma | my krunner does not let me even run kde3 apps |
| 09:16.31 | Drantin | only one user on the comp (well interactive, and not including root...) |
| 09:16.38 | annma | I suggest you issue a bug report |
| 09:17.07 | _apk | I was using kde 3.x on kubuntu...Now I have installed debian lenny and I have a little problem...I'm using ark to manage compressed files, but right-clickin on a file doesn't show ark option (that was shown in kubuntu) "extract here" |
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| 09:17.43 | annma | did you ask Debian about it _apk |
| 09:17.44 | _apk | can anyone help me finding out how can I add that option, to the "right-click" menu? :) |
| 09:17.59 | _apk | annma, it's not a debian related problem |
| 09:18.04 | annma | no? |
| 09:18.11 | _apk | I think that kubuntu team guys, add some customization to kde |
| 09:18.24 | annma | so ask #kubuntu then |
| 09:18.27 | dbglt | hello everyone :) |
| 09:18.28 | _apk | and I was asking if it possibile do add them on my own |
| 09:18.52 | annma | do you have kdeutils instaleld? |
| 09:18.55 | _apk | ok annma...I rewrite the question: "how can I add an option to the right-click menu in kde?" |
| 09:19.04 | _apk | annma, I'm going to check! :))) |
| 09:19.30 | dbglt | _apk: which right-click menu? |
| 09:19.32 | _apk | no I haven't installed it |
| 09:19.33 | Drantin | systemsettings->advanced->file associations ? |
| 09:19.44 | annma | he is in kde3 guys |
| 09:19.48 | _apk | but it is a metapackage, and I don't want to install all that things |
| 09:19.54 | annma | well... |
| 09:19.59 | _apk | dbglt, when you right click on a file |
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| 09:20.04 | _apk | in konqueror |
| 09:20.28 | annma | what happens then when you click on an archive? |
| 09:20.43 | _apk | in kubuntu, there was a useful option in that menu, that appeared when I right-clicked on an archive |
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| 09:20.53 | _apk | annma, now? I see open with Ark |
| 09:20.55 | annma | I remember that back in KDE3 |
| 09:21.01 | annma | OK _apk |
| 09:21.07 | _apk | or preview in archiver |
| 09:21.29 | annma | dbglt: he wants a right click service that offers in konq to compress stuff |
| 09:21.31 | _apk | did you understand what option I'm talking about? :) |
| 09:21.35 | annma | yes |
| 09:21.38 | _apk | oh yes! :))) |
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| 09:21.56 | annma | _apk: I run kde4 so I am not able to check |
| 09:22.11 | _apk | maybe this is not the right channel...do you think that is better to ask on konq mailing list annma? :) |
| 09:22.14 | dbglt | _apk: check out |
| 09:22.18 | dbglt | _apk: servicemenus |
| 09:22.26 | dbglt | it's a desktop entry |
| 09:22.41 | dbglt | you can make one up yourself |
| 09:22.47 | annma | dbglt: what is this ark service shipped with? |
| 09:23.12 | _apk | sorry dbglt I don't understand...can you, please, explain it better? :) |
| 09:23.27 | dbglt | well, you just create an 'action' with the text you want |
| 09:23.40 | dbglt | and then send a dcop call |
| 09:24.03 | dbglt | annma: it just uses dcop, once you have ark installed |
| 09:24.19 | dbglt | annma: I'm not sure if distros make their own servicemenu entry, or if it comes with ark in some incarnations |
| 09:24.31 | dbglt | _apk: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 09:24.48 | _apk | thank you dbglt I'm going to check it! :))) |
| 09:25.08 | dbglt | _apk: it's probably best if you can find a "servicemenu" already made up, but that shows you the steps to making one (a bit technical though!) |
| 09:25.19 | _apk | where (in which file) that "personalization" reside? |
| 09:25.32 | annma | usually distros provide service menus |
| 09:25.33 | _apk | maybe I can find someone with kubuntu and ask for that file |
| 09:25.45 | dbglt | _apk: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Extract+archive?content=58251 |
| 09:25.49 | dbglt | ;) |
| 09:26.10 | _apk | ohhh!!!! |
| 09:26.19 | _apk | thank you very much! :)))) |
| 09:26.30 | _apk | and have a nice day too ;) |
| 09:26.47 | dbglt | _apk: glad to have helped! |
| 09:26.56 | dbglt | wonders... is there a kdbusviewer? I miss the search in kdcop |
| 09:27.55 | annma | dbglt: qdbusviewer |
| 09:28.01 | annma | no K counterpart |
| 09:28.21 | dbglt | annma: it sucks... |
| 09:28.34 | dbglt | annma: and no search! |
| 09:28.42 | annma | yup |
| 09:28.48 | dbglt | annma: bah! :P |
| 09:28.53 | annma | I don't have my ksmserver dbus working |
| 09:29.35 | dbglt | annma: ksmserver... autosave, yeah? |
| 09:29.43 | dbglt | (session stuff) |
| 09:31.24 | dbglt | annma: I'm not entirely sure how dbus works... I'm too used to dcop |
| 09:31.34 | dbglt | I assume they aren't too far apart? |
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| 09:33.02 | maelstrom | first of all my on-board sound is showing up as being unavailable for some unknown reason |
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| 09:33.31 | maelstrom | second of all when kde tries to play a notification sound and phonon tries to "fall back" to a different sound system, it produces a notification |
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| 09:33.51 | maelstrom | but more than half the notification extends pass the edge of the screen so i cannot read it |
| 09:34.05 | maelstrom | and i am trying to make it write to a log so I can read the text but that option appears to be non-functional |
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| 09:38.30 | annma | I need to restart KDE |
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| 10:17.32 | elderK | Hey folks, Is KDE4 ready for general use yet? |
| 10:18.08 | Drantin | it's ready for my use... depends on who the general user is... |
| 10:18.25 | Drantin | but 4.1 should be out shortly, so you might as well wait a bit... |
| 10:18.31 | dbglt | elderK: if you want a more stable and mature feature set stick with kde3 |
| 10:18.45 | dbglt | elderK: kde 4.1 is making progress, but I probably wouldn't recommend it to the average user until kde 4.2 |
| 10:18.47 | cb400f | elderK: 4.0 is not ready for demanding, productive users imo, 4.1 is getting there |
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| 10:19.26 | elderK | Cheers for the honest opinions :) All I tend to do is use VI, Hex editors and code. |
| 10:19.53 | dbglt | elderK: kde 4.1 should be fine, if that's all you do |
| 10:19.56 | elderK | But ill use KDE3x until 4 is deemed relatively stable. |
| 10:19.59 | dbglt | elderK: I'd skip 4.0 |
| 10:20.24 | dbglt | elderK: but yeah, again, if that's all you do, probably no need to upgrade yet anyway |
| 10:20.25 | elderK | Reckon it will run decently on a 1.7GHz CeleronM, 1GiB DDR2, Intel GMA950 machine ? |
| 10:20.31 | dbglt | kde 3 will, without a doubt, be more stable |
| 10:20.35 | dbglt | elderK: yeah |
| 10:20.40 | elderK | Sweet. |
| 10:20.41 | dbglt | elderK: kde4 memory footprint is lower |
| 10:20.49 | dbglt | using new qt libs and such |
| 10:20.53 | boo | and it says that its even faster)' |
| 10:21.07 | elderK | Fantastic, I upgraded my RAM simply so things would stream along nicely. |
| 10:21.07 | dbglt | problem is when you mix and match between kde3/4 you load two sets of libs == not the best solution |
| 10:21.22 | dbglt | elderK: yeah, I run 1gb here, and haven't had any issues |
| 10:21.27 | boo | you gonna need them in either case? |
| 10:21.30 | elderK | I used to have 256MiB. |
| 10:21.36 | dbglt | elderK: youch |
| 10:21.39 | boo | 'cause may be not all the apps are ported to kde4 already |
| 10:21.41 | elderK | Yeah - it was kinda painful. |
| 10:21.44 | cb400f | elderK: however I think it might seem slower and more cpu intensive for certain operations.. cuz of extensive use of svg |
| 10:21.52 | dbglt | hrmm |
| 10:21.59 | dbglt | I've found vast majority of things faster |
| 10:22.23 | cb400f | I think so too |
| 10:22.25 | elderK | Last time I used GNOME, it was 2.18.x - and it wasnt impressive ... I swear that GNOME gets slower with every release. |
| 10:22.30 | elderK | ~_~ |
| 10:22.31 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 10:22.42 | cb400f | but on slow boxes resizing certain windows can lag a tiny bit |
| 10:22.46 | elderK | And at least KDE lets me change the appearence to whatever I wish. |
| 10:22.53 | cb400f | I run 4.0 on a PIII 900 mhz |
| 10:23.12 | elderK | It copes well enough? |
| 10:24.01 | cb400f | yup.. about the same performance as kde3 .. except maximizing windows with a lot of svg stuff.. like the kdegames for example.. takes a sec or two |
| 10:25.06 | cb400f | elderK: but kde 4.0 .. and probably also 4.1 isn't quite as configurable as kde3 :-) |
| 10:25.22 | cb400f | for example the default oxygen windeco won't let you change it's colour |
| 10:25.39 | cb400f | moving panels and applets around is not yet quite as slick |
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| 10:26.16 | elderK | :) Itll make it |
| 10:26.28 | cb400f | you can't have transparent panel without composite I thing |
| 10:26.37 | cb400f | .. lots of small things like that |
| 10:27.37 | elderK | :) Well, Ill wait awhile before I try it :) |
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| 10:28.31 | elderK | Just, for reference though, everything seems slow to me :P Im very picky. |
| 10:28.56 | elderK | Usually I use DWM or WindowMaker or something. But sometimes, you just get sick ... of not having the comfort of a fancy file manager or something. |
| 10:28.56 | elderK | lol |
| 10:29.04 | elderK | Sometimes you just want to enjoy some candy. |
| 10:29.05 | elderK | :) |
| 10:29.05 | dbglt | I want to try e17, actually ! |
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| 10:29.27 | elderK | dbglt, out of curiosity, what distribution do you use ? |
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| 10:29.47 | dbglt | elderK: I run on ubuntu (kubuntu) these days. |
| 10:30.17 | dbglt | elderK: but I've got a not-too-bad machine. I'd probably use something a bit smaller on something less specced |
| 10:30.46 | elderK | I run Slackware, thinking of moving to something a little more ... modern? |
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| 10:31.18 | cb400f | elderK: you know openSUSE is derived from slackware? ;-) |
| 10:31.24 | cb400f | .. 15 years ago :-) |
| 10:31.34 | elderK | Ive been a slacker for the past 5 years though ... so, its kind of hard to move away when I can tweak everything to peices! |
| 10:31.55 | elderK | Thinking of trying Arch or Debian. |
| 10:32.02 | elderK | Maybe even BSD :P |
| 10:32.08 | dbglt | elderK: I'd say Arch. Stay away from BSD |
| 10:32.24 | elderK | Any particular reason why ? |
| 10:32.31 | dbglt | elderK: arch is more optimised (much) than ubuntu, very modern, good support |
| 10:32.45 | elderK | Everytime Ive tried it so far, I see very little reason to shift to BSD from Linux. It doesnt offer anything that Linux doesnt. |
| 10:33.16 | dbglt | elderK: in terms of device support (especially propietary), and software, not great! |
| 10:33.24 | dbglt | elderK: it is more for servers, I'd say |
| 10:33.29 | dbglt | doesn't offer much for the average desktop |
| 10:33.38 | root | hello ,every body |
| 10:33.39 | elderK | dbglt: When it comes to Arch, what I like the idea of is the CLEAN feeling :P Whats installed is what you choose and only what you require to run the software you want - without necessarily having to compile everything from scratch (Gentoo... I do that mostly with Slackware too...) |
| 10:33.57 | elderK | hey root |
| 10:34.10 | elderK | Id agree dbgIt - Linux atleast supports the laptops hardware!!! |
| 10:34.36 | dbglt | elderK: for sure. I moved from gentoo to ubuntu |
| 10:34.37 | boo | is there any point using bsd instead of linux? |
| 10:34.39 | dbglt | compiling is fun at first |
| 10:34.45 | dbglt | sucks when you want to ry new software all the time |
| 10:34.51 | dbglt | packages much much nicer :P |
| 10:34.55 | dbglt | boo: it's pretty stable |
| 10:35.05 | boo | what's not stable in linux? |
| 10:35.14 | dbglt | boo: a number of things. API changes, all different things |
| 10:35.21 | dbglt | uptime in BSD > linux usually |
| 10:35.30 | dbglt | mainly because it is old, trusted code |
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| 10:35.39 | dbglt | whereas linux tends to go with the flavour of the day :p |
| 10:35.41 | boo | uptime? |
| 10:35.46 | dbglt | (not such a bad thing) |
| 10:35.50 | boo | i never had a problem with linux uptime |
| 10:36.00 | dbglt | boo: again, for your average desktop, probably not much difference |
| 10:36.08 | elderK | dbgIt: I dont know, Im just getting a little tired of custom compiling everything all the time, handpicking all the libraries to be installed and stuff. It used to be fun but now, Its just boring - when all I want to do is code and do something creative. |
| 10:36.48 | elderK | dbgIt: I leave my laptop on for weeks at a time :P Constant desktop use. I only really reboot when I think the computer might enjoy a short nap :P |
| 10:36.55 | dbglt | elderK: that's the thing. It frees you up a lot using packages |
| 10:37.06 | dbglt | elderK: again, desktops are not servers :P Uptime doesn't matter |
| 10:37.08 | dbglt | 20 days |
| 10:37.11 | dbglt | big deal :p |
| 10:37.15 | boo | i only reboot when computer should be switched off) |
| 10:37.16 | elderK | lol, I know. |
| 10:37.21 | elderK | I had one server run for a year solid :D |
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| 10:37.38 | elderK | well, a little under - I had to move it across to another room. |
| 10:37.40 | elderK | lol |
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| 10:38.14 | boo | i just can't get how bsd uptime can be more than linux in average |
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| 10:38.24 | boo | they are based on mostly the same things |
| 10:38.41 | elderK | I always feel ... worried about what packages have crammed into them, some compulsive feeling that it will eat up more RAM and work slower than if I hand compiled it. But, thats pretty much just being superpicky. |
| 10:39.08 | dbglt | elderK: to be honest, it's likely true. But any computer in the last few years probably won't blink at the differences |
| 10:39.53 | elderK | Thats true - atleast now that I have 1GiB of RAM, I really shouldnt care :P |
| 10:40.25 | dbglt | boo: have a look over http://sites.inka.de/mips/unix/bsdlinux.html |
| 10:40.32 | boo | aha |
| 10:40.55 | dbglt | (bit outdated) |
| 10:41.07 | dbglt | but there are some significant differences |
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| 10:43.55 | Half-Left | Konqueror now seems to want to eat all my CPU and memory, what did I do to you that was so bad!!! |
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| 10:45.34 | boo | the main big difference as i understood is that developers of bsd distributive are the developers are also developers of all the packages included |
| 10:46.16 | boo | *the main big difference as i understood is that developers of bsd distributive are also developers of all the packages included |
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| 10:46.24 | dbglt | boo: hence, you tend to get a longer development cycle, less support for cutting edge features/new stuff (as it all must work together), more testing (thus more stability) |
| 10:46.24 | dbglt | etc |
| 10:46.26 | Half-Left | uses the Qt4 build of opera 9.5 |
| 10:46.45 | pinotree | boo, dbglt: â #kde-chat please |
| 10:46.54 | boo | aha, seems like it's better for servers for sure |
| 10:49.02 | Half-Left | People talk about opensource dev not fixing bugs, this smooth scrolling bug has been in Opera for ages, ugh |
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| 10:52.16 | Half-Left | pinotree, hi, what you upto for KDE today? |
| 10:52.27 | pinotree | ? |
| 10:52.59 | Half-Left | You working?\ |
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| 11:02.16 | ivob | Hello! Any ideas how to persuade konsole not break lines beyond 80 characters? |
| 11:03.43 | annma | what konsole version? |
| 11:03.45 | annma | what KDE version more exactly |
| 11:03.54 | engineer | ivob maximize window? |
| 11:04.14 | ivob | 1 sec |
| 11:06.13 | ivob | about kde: version 4.0.4 |
| 11:06.31 | ivob | that's what about menu in konsole says |
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| 11:07.41 | engineer | ivob doesn't maximizing the window do what you want? |
| 11:07.46 | ivob | no |
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| 11:07.57 | annma | OK so making konsole wider than 80 chars still break lines? |
| 11:08.02 | annma | screenshot? |
| 11:08.18 | ivob | one sec |
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| 11:12.23 | ivob | here http://tinypenguin.org/pics/200806111311.jpg |
| 11:13.38 | annma | can it be your bash that does it? |
| 11:13.46 | annma | can you try bash in xterm? |
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| 11:14.30 | ivob | I strongly suspect minicom fscks up settings |
| 11:14.33 | ivob | terminal settings |
| 11:14.49 | annma | what is minicom? |
| 11:15.11 | ivob | terminal emulation program |
| 11:15.32 | annma | uses konsole with its defaults |
| 11:15.58 | annma | if you suspact a bug, report it please |
| 11:16.05 | annma | Help menu -> Report Bug |
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| 11:19.39 | ivob | yep, running minicom in konsole def. fcsks it up |
| 11:19.45 | ivob | I'll report bug |
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| 11:23.14 | ivob | great, another account opening. Is there some public account I can use to report bug? |
| 11:23.52 | annma | ivob: a devel on #kde-devel just said he has trouble with minicom |
| 11:24.10 | annma | but he does nto give any details and he answers me like I am a moron |
| 11:24.18 | ivob | lol |
| 11:24.45 | annma | maybe come to #kde-devel ivob |
| 11:24.56 | annma | and make him do the report if the bug is the same |
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| 11:25.06 | Jejem | annma: you're a moron ? :D |
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| 11:25.43 | annma | seems so yes |
| 11:26.04 | tzd | can someone please tell me where i file a bug for Akregator please? |
| 11:26.12 | Drantin | bugs.kde.org ? |
| 11:26.29 | tzd | thanks |
| 11:26.35 | Jejem | annma: /me thinking |
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| 11:27.08 | Drantin | tzd: don't forget to check if it's already filed: http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=akregator |
| 11:27.20 | tzd | Drantin: yeah looking now :) |
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| 11:27.37 | annma | tzd: teh easiest is to use Akregator Help menu |
| 11:27.59 | annma | it's quicker, it'll open your webbrowser but will have picked info already |
| 11:28.09 | tzd | annma: ah i see... does most linux apps have the bug site included in the help section? |
| 11:28.45 | annma | all KDE apps have it |
| 11:28.55 | annma | this is KDE and it's for KDE bugs only |
| 11:29.15 | annma | all KDE apps have a Help -> Report bugs section |
| 11:29.58 | Half-Left | My KDE trunk vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXSM7y3Uv0 :) |
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| 11:31.24 | Half-Left | Last nights trunk got some extra goodies :) |
| 11:32.04 | tzd | i see, good to know :) |
| 11:32.21 | annma | Half-Left: the resize? |
| 11:32.30 | annma | among others |
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| 11:32.43 | Half-Left | resize what exactly? |
| 11:33.18 | Half-Left | from what I seen it was the plasmoid folder that has filemanager options |
| 11:33.24 | annma | the folderview free resize |
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| 11:33.39 | annma | oh OK |
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| 11:34.17 | Half-Left | And it's marked with a nice Home text, looks sexy |
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| 11:35.44 | Half-Left | It opens with Konqueror so I had to sit it for dolphin |
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| 11:36.49 | annma | Half-Left: Home |
| 11:36.51 | annma | OK |
| 11:37.05 | annma | I switch to French and it's some silly translation |
| 11:37.20 | Half-Left | hehe |
| 11:38.19 | annma | it says "Beginning" !!!! |
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| 11:38.43 | annma | that's why I check it, to correct it as translators do not run it in French |
| 11:38.57 | Half-Left | Would be nice to have thumbnails in the view |
| 11:39.04 | annma | it'll come |
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| 11:39.11 | annma | I mean probably |
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| 11:39.47 | Half-Left | That would be real nice |
| 11:40.28 | Half-Left | annma, http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4026/plasmoidfoldergv0.png |
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| 11:48.17 | annma | I also used this wall paper until recently Half-Left |
| 11:48.37 | annma | I find the default one too blue and too boring |
| 11:48.41 | Half-Left | It's nice, I've grown to like it more |
| 11:49.04 | annma | I changed for one from kde-look a few days ago |
| 11:49.18 | Half-Left | Goes nice with transparent plasma I think |
| 11:49.27 | annma | yes |
| 11:49.46 | annma | do yo use Glassified? |
| 11:50.05 | Half-Left | Sometimes but I do like the new Oxygen theme |
| 11:50.10 | pusling | also want transparant plasma, but cant have it. |
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| 11:50.47 | Half-Left | I like the faded middle panels and the highlighted edges |
| 11:51.09 | Half-Left | it's a very neat effect |
| 11:51.25 | annma | :) |
| 11:51.35 | annma | we're slowly getting things nice |
| 11:52.03 | Half-Left | annma, Yout slowly taking over Vista and OS X with this look |
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| 11:53.08 | Half-Left | Though the scroll bars could be better, I think stick out more, to flat for me |
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| 12:00.34 | KukMan | Hi! How disable option Show windows form all desktops in kde 3.5.9. (There are no option in configure panel->taskbar) |
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| 12:04.01 | Half-Left | annma, I dont understand something, KDE trunk supposed to be in freeze, why do we get new features from it? |
| 12:04.09 | Jucato | KukMan: are you using somethign like Compiz(-Fusion)? |
| 12:04.22 | annma | Half-Left: those are improvements |
| 12:04.30 | annma | almost bug fixes |
| 12:04.31 | KukMan | yes |
| 12:04.38 | Jucato | KukMan: that would explain it |
| 12:04.53 | Jucato | KukMan: you might want to ask in #compiz-fusion about the issue |
| 12:04.59 | Half-Left | annma, So they just sit there being bug fixed and then uploaded? |
| 12:05.53 | KukMan | compiz does not replace taskbar, does it? |
| 12:06.08 | Half-Left | No, it's a window manager |
| 12:06.10 | Jucato | KukMan: it interferes with KDE's |
| 12:06.31 | Jucato | I think they have a solution for it (compiz-kicker or something) |
| 12:06.35 | Jucato | so you'll have to ask them |
| 12:07.07 | KukMan | thx..) |
| 12:07.42 | annma | I found a bug in folderView |
| 12:08.05 | Jucato | annma: I've found one or two in my room... |
| 12:08.08 | Half-Left | Oh yer? |
| 12:08.17 | Half-Left | lol |
| 12:08.19 | annma | Jucato: lol |
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| 12:08.44 | Ash-Fox | There are bugs crawling on my window. >:( |
| 12:08.51 | annma | Half-Left: if I put a filter like *.jpg *.png and I have no .jpg it doe snot show the png |
| 12:09.02 | Half-Left | Ash-Fox, And on the Vista's :p |
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| 12:10.34 | Jucato | annma: in my 2-week old build, it works... I put *.bak *.html (I don't have .bak of course). and it shows .html |
| 12:10.52 | Half-Left | annma, Filter out everything but them? |
| 12:11.34 | annma | so it would have been broken since then |
| 12:11.35 | Jucato | a.k.a. "only show files matching the pattern" |
| 12:11.47 | Jucato | hugs semi-stable 2-week old build |
| 12:11.54 | Jucato | sticks out tongue :P |
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| 12:12.16 | Half-Left | Filter seems to work ok |
| 12:12.44 | Jucato | annma: you do know how I love your "doe snot" typos, right? :) |
| 12:12.50 | Half-Left | Jucato, 12hour old build :p |
| 12:13.16 | annma | lol Jucato |
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| 12:13.40 | annma | on May 19th the filter line was changed from a QLineEdit to a KLineEdit |
| 12:14.17 | annma | is your build before 19th May r810465 |
| 12:15.24 | Jucato | June 1, 2008 |
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| 12:15.39 | annma | hmm yes, OK, I found another commit |
| 12:16.13 | Half-Left | Only bug I see if a graphics one where the plasma logo it cut off like the panel should be there |
| 12:16.17 | annma | prior or after 815459 Jucato? |
| 12:16.17 | Half-Left | is* |
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| 12:17.06 | Half-Left | And system tray still shows background graphics glitches sometimes :p |
| 12:18.29 | Jucato | annma: Last Changed Rev: 815068 |
| 12:18.41 | Jucato | so prior |
| 12:19.25 | Half-Left | I think I may look for a bug report on kopete to see if there is one for this away icon |
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| 12:20.17 | annma | excellent, one bug less |
| 12:20.22 | annma | yeepeeeee |
| 12:20.32 | Jucato | gives annma a kooka |
| 12:20.35 | Jucato | er.. kookie |
| 12:20.45 | annma | LOL Jucato |
| 12:21.00 | annma | since you mocked my typing you lost yours |
| 12:21.08 | Jucato | heheh :) |
| 12:21.11 | Jucato | indeed |
| 12:21.32 | Jucato | oh annma, does kde-edu cater to anything education related, or does it specifically just focuses on kids? |
| 12:21.50 | annma | anything |
| 12:21.56 | Jucato | (although klatin or whatever it's called now, would probably be out of place if the latter were true) |
| 12:22.02 | Phlogi | how can I use kwrited to print some output? |
| 12:22.04 | annma | most apps are not kids oriented like STep or Marble |
| 12:22.08 | Phlogi | or what tool would you use? |
| 12:22.17 | Jucato | annma: oh ok... just wondering for starters, why kjots was moved to kdepim :) |
| 12:22.28 | annma | what is kjots? |
| 12:22.35 | Jucato | lol :P |
| 12:22.39 | Jucato | notebook type app |
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| 12:22.44 | Jucato | formerly from kdeutils |
| 12:23.15 | Jucato | "KDE note taking utility" |
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| 12:23.30 | Jucato | annma: I can't get the full About KJots because of an annoying Kontact bug :) |
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| 12:24.01 | Jucato | anyways, it was formerly in kdeutils. I was a bit surprised that it was moved to kdepim |
| 12:24.20 | Jucato | sure, maybe it's a bit PIM related... but then there's korganizer's journal part |
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| 12:24.34 | annma | well it has not been debated |
| 12:24.40 | annma | so I guess it's OK |
| 12:25.01 | Jucato | heh ok. just wondering. that was my first musings about kde-edu. I have something more interesting later :P |
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| 12:28.17 | annma | the fix is already done!!!! |
| 12:28.20 | Half-Left | annma, What do you think, kopete shows old away kde3 icon in system tray, it thats kopete's fault or Oxygen icons? |
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| 12:28.34 | annma | Half-Left: I don't use Kopete so I have no idea |
| 12:28.44 | annma | ask in #kopete how it goes for them |
| 12:28.48 | Jucato | Half-Left: it could be either-or |
| 12:28.53 | Half-Left | yer |
| 12:29.08 | Half-Left | Depends what they are using for the naming of the icon |
| 12:29.08 | Jucato | either there is no Oxygen icon for the away status or Kopete isn't using it properly |
| 12:29.21 | Jucato | points to #oxygen and #kopete for confirmation |
| 12:29.30 | Half-Left | Yer there is a way icon |
| 12:29.50 | Jucato | a way icon? |
| 12:29.56 | Half-Left | lol |
| 12:29.59 | Half-Left | away* |
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| 12:30.40 | Jucato | no no, I meant a specific icon for Kopete to use in the system tray. there's an away icon generally speaking. but I doubt it's the same thing that would be used in the system tray |
| 12:30.45 | Half-Left | kopete shows the correct away icon in the configuration under status but not in the tray |
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| 12:31.35 | Jucato | that's what I meant. it's a different kind of icon afaik. in the KDE 3 version, it had the kopete logo with an overlay. so it's probably either missing that kind of icon or kopete isn't using it if it exists |
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| 12:33.01 | Half-Left | Jucato, The one in the configuration window seems to fit the same size as the system tray icon would be |
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| 12:33.35 | Jucato | Half-Left: which configuration window? |
| 12:33.52 | Half-Left | Kopete one thats says Status |
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| 12:34.23 | Half-Left | You can manage your status there and it has the proper away icons and size |
| 12:34.48 | Jucato | <Jucato> that's what I meant. it's a different kind of icon afaik. in the KDE 3 version, **it had the kopete logo with an overlay.** so it's probably either missing that kind of icon or kopete isn't using it if it exists |
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| 12:36.34 | Half-Left | hmmm well I dont see why, unless it's named different and that would be a bug in itself |
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| 12:37.18 | Jucato | Half-Left: if you've noticed, Kopete doesn't use the Online icon in the system tray, does it? |
| 12:37.47 | Half-Left | Jucato, Thats correct |
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| 12:38.19 | Half-Left | So the whole tray icon is not right |
| 12:38.45 | Jucato | Half-Left: let's just put it this way: based on Kopete KDE 3's behavior, we can say that Kopete uses a different set of icons for its system tray icon from the status icons inside the Kopete windows themselves |
| 12:39.21 | Half-Left | Jucato, Yep, which in itself is a bug you think? |
| 12:39.23 | Jucato | but of course, most if it just inference from previous behavior. only the Kopete and Oxygen guys would know for sure |
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| 12:39.38 | Jucato | <Jucato> either there is no Oxygen icon for the away status or Kopete isn't using it properly <---- |
| 12:39.45 | Jucato | I didn't say there wasn't any bug :) |
| 12:39.55 | Half-Left | lets see :p |
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| 12:40.36 | Jucato | Half-Left: the fact that it's using a KDE 3 icon for the away system tray icon is itself a bug :) |
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| 12:40.58 | Half-Left | Jucato, Thats what I meant yer :) |
| 12:41.22 | Jucato | unless in KDE 4, Oxygen falls back to Crystal SVG then to hicolor when there's no appropriate matching icon |
| 12:41.28 | Jucato | wouldn't know that |
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| 12:42.47 | Half-Left | Jucato, The proper icons in oxygen are there in status so kopete is just not using them |
| 12:43.00 | Jucato | here we go again |
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| 12:43.09 | mollitz | what is the command to get the kde4 version? |
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| 12:43.19 | Jucato | mollitz: kde4-config --version |
| 12:43.45 | mollitz | thx |
| 12:43.46 | mollitz | ! |
| 12:44.03 | Half-Left | go writes a bug report |
| 12:44.27 | Jucato | Half-Left: did you confirm with #kopete guys first? |
| 12:44.42 | Half-Left | No one is answering |
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| 12:45.26 | mollitz | what error goes arround? i just reported a kopete-kde4-bug cause of upgrade |
| 12:45.49 | mollitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork-kde4/+bug/239153 |
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| 12:46.43 | mollitz | but this is an ubuntu-bug |
| 12:47.49 | Half-Left | and? |
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| 12:49.23 | Jucato | Half-Left: looks like the "bug" is that there is no Oxygen icon for the system tray |
| 12:49.53 | Jucato | Hal` |
| 12:50.02 | Jucato | Half-Left: Kopete KDE 3: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.9/kdenetwork/kopete/kopete/cr22-app-kopete_some_away.png?revision=774532&view=markup |
| 12:50.15 | Jucato | Half-Left: Kopete trunk: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/kopete/ox22-app-kopete_some_away.png?revision=706316&view=markup |
| 12:50.18 | Half-Left | Jucato, your saying that there is not based on the icon name? |
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| 12:51.02 | Jucato | Half-Left: it seems that the system tray icons for Kopete are custom and specific to Kopete |
| 12:51.06 | Half-Left | /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/default.kde4/22x22/status/user-away |
| 12:51.14 | Half-Left | yer seems so |
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| 12:52.50 | Half-Left | Being as they are put there for kopete, I can't see no other reason why they use their own unless there was non when they started doing kde4.1 version |
| 12:52.50 | Jucato | Half-Left: you're looking at the icon for a user/contact's status in the Kopete contact list. not Kopete's system tray icon |
| 12:52.50 | Half-Left | Oh I see |
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| 12:53.42 | Half-Left | Well really it should use the same icons, that would make more sense |
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| 12:54.13 | Jucato | doesn't see why "that would make more sense" |
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| 12:54.53 | Jucato | but that's not for me to say or decide |
| 12:54.57 | Jucato | goes |
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| 13:14.12 | Half-Left | Jucato, I've reported it anyway now so lets see |
| 13:14.16 | zlinux | hi |
| 13:14.28 | zlinux | how much RAM does KDE4 require to run fast? |
| 13:14.53 | Half-Left | Recommended 512mb |
| 13:15.36 | zlinux | Half-Left, are you sure you're talking about kde 4 ? |
| 13:15.38 | zlinux | FOUR |
| 13:15.51 | Thundercloud | He's probably not wrong there you know |
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| 13:15.55 | Half-Left | It's not that much thiner |
| 13:15.55 | Thundercloud | Disable the desktop effects |
| 13:15.58 | Thundercloud | And you'll be there |
| 13:16.04 | Thundercloud | Qt4 is a great deal faster than Qt3 |
| 13:16.12 | Thundercloud | Whilst kde4 apps are still in need of some fine tuning |
| 13:16.17 | Thundercloud | I reckon they could run very well on 512mb |
| 13:16.57 | Half-Left | Desktop effects take video ram more than main ram so |
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| 13:18.28 | Half-Left | My wife can run compiz and GNOME on here 512Mb, Celeron with onboard graphics so KDE4.1 should be fine on final release |
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| 13:19.02 | Thundercloud | Half-Left: Nice |
| 13:19.19 | Thundercloud | I'm just in the process of getting ready to compile kde4 trunk for my desktop |
| 13:19.22 | Thundercloud | So i'll see how that fares |
| 13:19.28 | Thundercloud | It fares fairly well on my macbook |
| 13:20.02 | Half-Left | Except for the compiling part :p |
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| 13:20.36 | Half-Left | I ahve 2Gb and it east that sucker away :) |
| 13:20.41 | Half-Left | have* |
| 13:20.44 | Thundercloud | *nodnods* |
| 13:20.52 | Half-Left | eats* |
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| 13:23.39 | Half-Left | Good thing about compiling trunk is you only have to do svn up make, make install |
| 13:23.41 | henkpoley | Does Konqueror from KDE 3.5.x know subversion? As in.. when I move a dir within a repository it will 'svn switch' it ? |
| 13:24.16 | henkpoley | Else I don't know how I ended up with a 'switched' directory |
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| 13:43.22 | Ayabara | how can I map XF86AudioRaiseVolume to increase the volume in kmix for kde4? only thing I find to assign shortcuts to is muting |
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| 13:54.29 | thiago | Ayabara: you can't. |
| 13:54.34 | thiago | missing functionality |
| 13:54.51 | Ayabara | thiago, ah. explains a bit |
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| 13:55.02 | Ayabara | no way to make my laptop media keys work yet than? |
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| 13:56.16 | dwins | Ayabara: the other media keys should be okay (like you can assign the play button to play/pause in juk or something) |
| 13:56.32 | clustermagnet | guys, what does everyone here use for a quick task application for their kde desktop? |
| 13:56.50 | clustermagnet | not looking for bug tracking or anything like that :) |
| 13:56.55 | Ayabara | dwins, just to be difficult, it's only the volume keys I want :-) |
| 13:57.07 | clustermagnet | just a simple "check changelog" "get coffeee" etc :) |
| 13:57.26 | dwins | clustermagnet: knotes? kedit, for that matter |
| 13:57.28 | fred | knotes? |
| 13:57.48 | fred | if you want a proper checklist, there's a todo list thing in korganizer, don't think there's a standalone one though |
| 13:57.56 | clustermagnet | dwins: fred :) nah, something... task oriented :) |
| 13:58.13 | clustermagnet | would be cool to have it sync with my iphone, damn it |
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| 13:58.27 | fred | points at korganiser |
| 13:58.31 | clustermagnet | now that would be a serious app |
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| 13:58.38 | fred | iwth a 'z' :( |
| 13:58.40 | fred | *with |
| 13:59.01 | clustermagnet | since most of our iphones are unlocked ... :) punch out an installer plugin through... webdav! |
| 13:59.05 | clustermagnet | hmmm |
| 13:59.27 | appelza | wow 4.1 is looking awesome with the new plasma |
| 13:59.29 | appelza | nice! |
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| 14:00.10 | dwins | clustermagnet: does the iphone support editing a calendar over webdav? if so you could set korganizer to do the same and presto |
| 14:00.23 | friedrich| | GetHotNewStuff <- where do I find that? |
| 14:00.55 | clustermagnet | dwins: ... i have no clue... checking |
| 14:01.49 | friedrich| | oh, found it :D |
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| 14:23.29 | ccamacho | is it possible to add shortcuts for some applications by hand in KDE 4? |
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| 14:35.41 | ccamacho | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | DanielW | keyboard shortcuts? |
| 14:37.26 | ccamacho | yep |
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| 14:41.02 | pparker | hello here |
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| 15:05.04 | d1zzy | hi. bugs in konqueror in gentoo should be reported to the gentoo bug tracking or to kde one? I found one very easily reproduced |
| 15:05.11 | d1zzy | in 3.5.9 |
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| 15:05.52 | DanielW | d1zzy: if it is a bug in konqueror in general and not just the gentoo build of it, report it to bugs.kde.org |
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| 15:06.37 | d1zzy | open a page with a user/pass form, fill a user/pass, click ok, konqueror will prompt you to save it in the wallet, click (behind the wallet window) on the close tab button for that window with the user/pass form, konqueror will ask you to discard the changes in the form, do it, then click cancel to the kdewallet prompt window. bang, konqueror crashes |
| 15:07.11 | pinotree | that goes to our bug tracking system indeed |
| 15:07.18 | d1zzy | ok |
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| 15:26.48 | esperegu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.47 | pinotree | esperegu: and what does it have to do with kde? |
| 15:28.37 | esperegu | pinotree: well.. it plays on my kde desktop =) |
| 15:28.44 | esperegu | just thought u might like it. |
| 15:28.50 | esperegu | sorry if I bothered u. |
| 15:28.53 | sandsmark | and do you know how many watts a normal cellphone puts out, and at what rate electromagnetic forces decrease? |
| 15:29.22 | esperegu | sqaure root of distands iirc |
| 15:29.45 | esperegu | how much I don't know |
| 15:29.57 | sandsmark | no, r², which means it decreases very rapidly =) |
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| 15:30.43 | jadrian | starts getting ready to go watch the game :D |
| 15:30.49 | esperegu | yeah. so don't put them to your head :-P |
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| 15:30.59 | esperegu | litt/e hard to call that way though. |
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| 15:31.52 | sandsmark | esperegu: well, they don't put out close enough wattage to do anything close to what happened in those vids, though =P |
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| 15:34.33 | sandsmark | googling turned up this: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/06/cellphones-cant.html =) |
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| 16:06.02 | rpj8 | Question: does kde4 allow you to make the panel smaller than kde3 which I think only allows to 18 or something? |
| 16:06.48 | thiago | waits for plasma to react... |
| 16:06.51 | sandsmark | probably, I haven't tried to see how small my panel can go =) |
| 16:07.00 | sandsmark | ssh's into a machine with plasma |
| 16:07.01 | DanielW | i have just make it as small as possible |
| 16:07.07 | sandsmark | 1px? |
| 16:07.22 | DanielW | i am not sure how high it is. is think something about 10 px? |
| 16:07.23 | DanielW | not sure |
| 16:07.27 | thiago | definitely smaller than 18px |
| 16:07.33 | DanielW | but it doesn't look very usable |
| 16:07.49 | rpj8 | Alright. I was just curious. I always like making my panels very small when i can |
| 16:07.55 | rpj8 | I think kde3 was big, iirc |
| 16:07.59 | DanielW | and yeah systray seems to work with out errors now :-) |
| 16:08.19 | angasule_ | resizing the panel is crash-country for me |
| 16:08.42 | DanielW | angasule_: in current trunk? |
| 16:08.53 | DanielW | it used to crash a lot when resizing but that seems fixed now |
| 16:09.27 | angasule_ | no, I'm using the 4.1b in some kubuntu repo |
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| 16:11.30 | adz21c | has anyone else found plasma starts using a lot of cpu when u put the minimizeall widget on the panel? |
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| 16:16.11 | Jucato | wonders why kfind takes a long time to start.... |
| 16:16.42 | sandsmark | it searches for itself, maybe? =P |
| 16:17.32 | Jucato | and epic fails :D |
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| 16:39.51 | tonky | Salve a tutti |
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| 16:42.20 | sPiN- | goodday all. i am trying kitchensync(.1) for the first time on opensuse 10.3 with kde 3.5.9 release 64.2 |
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| 16:43.13 | sPiN- | it wants me to add a group.. i do so and then i am given the option to add members to the group, when i click that button it just opens an empty dialog box |
| 16:44.02 | sPiN- | has anyone in here had this experience on other distros? |
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| 16:45.52 | sandsmark | probably =) |
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| 16:47.02 | angasule_ | I'm monogamous |
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| 16:48.37 | cghislai | hi |
| 16:49.06 | cghislai | juk & amarok crash with error "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" with either backend |
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| 16:51.02 | juandeirun | wenas |
| 16:51.19 | juandeirun | hi i{m spanish |
| 16:51.27 | juandeirun | i am spanish sorry |
| 16:52.14 | cghislai | well, thank you |
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| 16:53.42 | dejson | i had a mistake kde cannot open host folder |
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| 16:53.49 | dejson | home actuallly |
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| 16:59.56 | chuckh1958 | Is there any way to get konqueror to remember window sizes based on which profile it's started with? For example if web browsing I want it to be maximized but if browsing files locally I want it much smaller. |
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| 17:02.57 | bipolar | Does anyone know how to add colors to konsole schemas? The list goes to 19, but I have an app that uses colors 20 and 21. |
| 17:03.38 | Captainchris | which reperetory is better for KDEDIR ? |
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| 17:05.35 | angasule_ | I think I found a page that crashes konqueror all the time |
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| 17:05.45 | angasule_ | can anyone else try? |
| 17:06.09 | angasule_ | http://www.unilang.org <-- click on 'Forum' (on the right side) |
| 17:06.19 | angasule_ | hmm, might not be the clicking |
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| 17:07.10 | angasule_ | yup, it's the clicking |
| 17:10.00 | sPiN- | ahh i found the problem |
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| 17:11.04 | cghislai | juk & amarok crash with error "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" with either backend |
| 17:11.10 | sPiN- | there is a kdepim plugin package which is an opensync plugin for kontact.. |
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| 17:15.28 | sPiN- | on opensuse it is called libopensync-plugin-kdepim |
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| 17:16.40 | sPiN- | Ill contact the packager about making it a dep. |
| 17:16.46 | sPiN- | well then... carry on fellas |
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| 18:10.24 | cibaer | how do I move widgets (for example kmenu-button) in the panel in kde-4.1? |
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| 18:10.55 | cibaer | the menu button was left on the panel, but after relogin the button was at the right!? |
| 18:11.02 | angasule | cibaer: can't, I've been told |
| 18:11.19 | cibaer | oh, will it come for official 4.1-release? |
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| 18:11.40 | DanielW | cibaer: but you can remove it and than drag it from the widget menu to the panel at the place where you want to have it |
| 18:11.40 | angasule | I've been told it might, but it's far from sure |
| 18:11.52 | angasule | ooh, that works? neat |
| 18:11.56 | devurandom | Hello. |
| 18:12.03 | cibaer | thats a workaround, thanks |
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| 18:12.31 | SSJ_GZ | cibaer: Will probably miss 4.1 due to the feature freeze, but should be in 4.2 |
| 18:12.34 | DanielW | that is the only way i know to change the order of the widget |
| 18:12.34 | DanielW | s |
| 18:12.38 | cibaer | but it is funny, that after a relogin, the button went from left to the right |
| 18:12.43 | cibaer | a bug i think |
| 18:13.02 | cibaer | oh, this is bad |
| 18:13.07 | devurandom | In KMail (3.5.9), I've got a mail listed in the folder which I cannot open nor delete. It probably happened after a crash. How can I fix that? |
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| 18:14.02 | cibaer | another problem: the panel resizing is painful, this big dialog, where you don't know where to click. very unintuitive |
| 18:14.08 | devurandom | Last time, I think I could solve it by deleting the .MyFolder stuff in my mail directory, but I guess that is quite a raw way to fix it. And I also lost all my viewed,important,etc information with that. |
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| 18:14.39 | devurandom | And does kmail or kdepim have an own channel? |
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| 18:15.36 | cibaer | and i would like for the desktop-folder widget, that one can resize it to the hole desktop, and transparent to restroe original windows/kde3-feeling |
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| 18:17.50 | MrPaul | !uptime |
| 18:17.54 | MrPaul | O.o |
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| 18:23.59 | fde | Is thr any rason anyon can think of that would caus th ky you'r not sing hr to not work in kd, but b fin in a normal trminal? |
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| 18:25.13 | fde | Ahh... appEars it's only thE lowEr casE too... |
| 18:25.41 | fde | Would it bE a KDE issuE, or X rElatEd? It's prEtty annoying... |
| 18:26.01 | jazka | wth |
| 18:26.01 | jazka | :D |
| 18:26.41 | fde | Ahh... it's only KDE3 apps?!!? KDE4 stuff appEars finE!?! |
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| 18:27.14 | fde | No... it's not finE in AkrEgator in KDE4... |
| 18:27.49 | fde | AppEars in KDE4 it's only finE in thE kickEr sEarch arEa? |
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| 18:28.50 | MinceR | perhaps you've bound some hotkey to unshifted e |
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| 18:29.43 | blauzahl_ | oh no, the missing e! |
| 18:29.57 | blauzahl_ | search bugzilla, it turned up awhile ago, and there's a work around |
| 18:30.07 | blauzahl_ | or fix or something |
| 18:30.12 | fde | MinceR: SystEmSEttings doEsn't show anything... |
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| 18:30.19 | blauzahl_ | if you can upgrade, that might fix it |
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| 18:30.36 | blauzahl_ | bugs.kde.org |
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| 18:30.48 | fde | blauzahl_: I'm using KDE 4.0.82, which I think is thE nEwEst... |
| 18:31.06 | blauzahl_ | hmm. then either it lost the e again.... |
| 18:31.09 | blauzahl_ | or...? |
| 18:31.16 | blauzahl_ | well, i'd search bugzilla anyway |
| 18:31.31 | blauzahl_ | there was some way it got triggered iirc, but i dont' know how |
| 18:31.47 | blauzahl_ | that is new, and i would have thought it would be fixed |
| 18:32.13 | cghislai | juk & amarok crash with error "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" |
| 18:32.30 | fde | How do I makE a sEarch of kdE bugs not ignorE stuff? It rEturnEd way too much stuff :S |
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| 18:33.24 | blauzahl_ | limit by date for the last year, "missing e key" <---cut and paste ;) |
| 18:33.37 | blauzahl_ | "cannot type the letter E" |
| 18:33.51 | blauzahl_ | what are phrases which don't use "e"? |
| 18:33.54 | fde | blauzahl_: It ignorEs "E" and "not". |
| 18:34.05 | blauzahl_ | oh bah |
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| 18:34.41 | ticapix | hi |
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| 18:35.55 | fde | It's rEturning a million things, and NONE arE what I want :( |
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| 18:36.45 | ticapix | I would like to know if there is a application under kde for downloading easily the photos from my camera when I plug it ? |
| 18:37.12 | blauzahl_ | pinotree? missing e? how to find? |
| 18:37.16 | blauzahl_ | has to go to work |
| 18:37.46 | blauzahl_ | fde: if you don't find it, i'll be back in six-8 hours :) |
| 18:38.10 | padde | ticapix: digikam |
| 18:38.21 | ticapix | thanks padde |
| 18:38.42 | ticapix | I thought it was only a apps to manage a photo collection |
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| 18:40.06 | fde | I'vE lookEd through ovEr 1,000 bugs, and still I don't sEE it... ugh |
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| 18:44.43 | fde | ThErE is about 43 updatEs to KDE, so hopEfully onE fixEs this... |
| 18:45.18 | GNU\colossus | ? :D |
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| 18:45.24 | GNU\colossus | auto-captal-E? |
| 18:45.47 | fde | GNU\colossus: No functional lowEr casE E |
| 18:45.59 | SSJ_GZ | fde: I've heard of bug that make the "e" key work - something grabbed it as a global shortcut, or something. |
| 18:46.04 | SSJ_GZ | *not work |
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| 18:46.20 | fde | SSJ_GZ: I can not find it though :( |
| 18:46.40 | fde | ApparEntly thErE is a workaround if I can find th bug |
| 18:46.44 | fde | thE* |
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| 18:51.47 | devurandom | Doesn't KMail have a way to refresh the index? |
| 18:52.30 | devurandom | That I-am-there-but-I-am-not-there mail is annoying, since it will always be selected as first unread message... |
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| 18:56.25 | padde | devurandom: happens to me when i have 0 byte 'mails' in my maildir... i can't delete them with kmail at all. so only deleting them on the server (with rm) or with another client (for example thunderbird) helps |
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| 18:56.51 | devurandom | padde: Yes, but even after I deleted it it is still listed in KMAil. |
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| 18:57.39 | padde | devurandom: hmm... there is this File / Refresh local IMAP cache thing |
| 18:57.56 | devurandom | padde: IMAP, yes, but not for other caches. |
| 18:58.11 | padde | devurandom: hm |
| 18:58.20 | devurandom | This is just a regular folder. |
| 18:58.29 | fde | Hmm, it seems to have been fixed with those 43 updates... I'm confused, but oh well. |
| 18:58.50 | fde | Thank you for the assistance :) |
| 18:59.03 | padde | devurandom: don't know then... |
| 18:59.08 | devurandom | And anyway: Kontact crashes when I flush the imap cache. |
| 18:59.57 | devurandom | #6 0x00007f53b5a3405d in KMail::MessageProperty::filtering () :( |
| 19:00.22 | devurandom | And it does not solve the issue at all. |
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| 19:07.07 | J-23 | good night! |
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| 19:26.30 | k1lumin4t1 | why is it that amarok outputs low level volumes when other apps do louder? |
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| 19:37.02 | hackbert-hh | hi there |
| 19:37.20 | hackbert-hh | I'm trying to compile amarok with MTP support on debian etch |
| 19:37.39 | hackbert-hh | I tried ./configure --with-libmtp=/path/to/the/libmt/sources |
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| 19:37.56 | hackbert-hh | but at the end of the configure, the script tells me, that MTP support will not be included |
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| 19:38.17 | hackbert-hh | I'm using libsmtp 0.2.6.1 and amarok 1.4.9.1 |
| 19:38.24 | hackbert-hh | can somebody help me? |
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| 19:42.57 | Shaman | uhm it isn't likely the sources it wants... it wants the installed library and header files |
| 19:43.49 | hackbert-hh | Shaman: OK, I'll try that |
| 19:44.06 | hackbert-hh | Shaman: But however, it's strange that it doesn't even display an error message |
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| 19:49.00 | INTz | would anyone here be able to help me activate tap-to-click on fedora 9? |
| 19:49.21 | dwins | INTz: install ksynaptics, use that to configure |
| 19:50.14 | INTz | dwins: yeah i have done that, and modified xorg.conf to turn on SHMconfig, but for some reason it is not finding it |
| 19:50.35 | INTz | when i try to load up ksynaptics it continues to say that SHMconfig is not enabled |
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| 19:51.23 | dwins | INTz: you restarted X in between? |
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| 19:51.35 | INTz | yes |
| 19:51.48 | dwins | dunno, ask in #fedora |
| 19:51.55 | INTz | would it have anything to do with it being a live install on a usb key |
| 19:51.56 | INTz | ? |
| 19:52.04 | INTz | mind you, hte usb key install is persistant |
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| 19:52.29 | dwins | dunno, ask in #fedora |
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| 19:53.05 | INTz | yeah, i have, doesnt seem like anyone cares . :( |
| 19:53.18 | fde | #fedora-kde is better |
| 19:53.22 | angasule | is it just me or kmail can't work right with gmail imap? |
| 19:53.32 | fde | angasule: working ok here. |
| 19:53.47 | angasule | bummer |
| 19:53.52 | fde | angasule: Although I do most management via gmail itself, and use kmail as a client only. |
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| 19:54.11 | angasule | I'm getting errors just checking mail for the first time |
| 19:54.16 | fde | (labels = folders ... plus extensive use of filters) |
| 19:54.29 | angasule | oh, sorry, I'm using 4.1 beta |
| 19:54.40 | fde | angasule: I just point it at imap.gmail.com and use ssl, nothing too special. |
| 19:54.48 | fde | angasule: me too. |
| 19:54.57 | INTz | thanks fde |
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| 19:55.44 | angasule | "Could Not Determine Resource Status" and that [Gmail] is an invalid folder |
| 19:55.47 | Rioting_pacifist | how to i set KDEWM=kwin ? |
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| 19:56.40 | fde | angasule: eh... that's how gmail does it... it contains the stared, spam etc folders on the site... never seen "could not determin..." |
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| 19:57.10 | angasule | yes, I know, weird |
| 19:57.18 | rohan | hi, i enabled compiz using the desktop effects applet. now my alt-tab is really really weird. it used to show a list of windows first, now it juts cycles through them randomly. also, alt-tab doesn't cycle through minimized windows. what could be the problem? |
| 19:57.20 | angasule | I had no trouble while using kde 3.5.8 |
| 19:57.35 | rohan | (that was on kubuntu 8.04) |
| 19:57.38 | angasule | rohan: kwin4 has its own desktop effects, no need for compiz |
| 19:57.57 | rohan | angasule: nope, i'm on kde 3.5.9 |
| 19:58.05 | fde | angasule: I did exactly the same with KDE 4.0.82 as I did with KDE 3.5.9... interface itself hasn't changed much, just the theme. |
| 19:58.11 | rohan | alt-tab was perfect before i messed with this shit |
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| 19:58.46 | fde | rohan: #compiz ... it's off topic here. |
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| 19:59.07 | fde | rohan: or #kubuntu of course |
| 19:59.08 | rohan | fde: i'm sorry forgot to mention, i've since removed all compiz packages, and disabled compiz |
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| 20:00.09 | Rioting_pacifist | how do i make 'export perminant' e.g export KDEWM=kwin ? |
| 20:00.21 | fde | Rioting_pacifist: ~/.xsession |
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| 20:01.37 | Rioting_pacifist | i dont have an .xsession but its set to compiz anyway :s |
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| 20:02.29 | rohan | fde: i hope my question isn't off topic now :) |
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| 20:06.06 | rohan | i'm hating this alt-tab problem! |
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| 20:07.08 | rohan | boo: i installed compiz, which screwed the way alt-tab works. hence i removed it, yet alt-tab isn't working properly |
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| 20:07.12 | engineer | wooo |
| 20:07.14 | engineer | rollin |
| 20:07.19 | rohan | boo: previously it used to display a list of windows and let me select it, now it just scrolls through them randomly |
| 20:07.27 | rohan | boo: also, now alt-tab doesn't recognize minimized windows |
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| 20:08.15 | boo | i'm not under linux now but look at kwin |
| 20:08.21 | rohan | boo: where? |
| 20:08.36 | boo | just run it with help key |
| 20:08.37 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: Run kwin --replace from a terminal |
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| 20:09.11 | rohan | SSJ_GZ: yes, that's how i'm sure it's running kwin |
| 20:09.17 | rohan | yet this alt-tab problem isn't solved |
| 20:09.24 | boo | or `kwin --replace & disown' if you will close terminal after |
| 20:09.27 | SSJ_GZ | reads |
| 20:09.50 | rohan | previously i could use alt-tab to switch betwen two windows one after the other. this new alt-tab really really sucks |
| 20:09.51 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: Open up System Settings ... |
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| 20:10.20 | thiago_home | or if you're using zsh, kwin --replace &! |
| 20:10.35 | boo | wanteth to boot linux... :) |
| 20:10.44 | rohan | i just created a new user, and it works prefectly |
| 20:10.45 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: ... Window Behaviour ... |
| 20:10.53 | rohan | thiago_home: no, i'm using bash :) |
| 20:11.16 | rohan | SSJ_GZ: aha, thanks. thanks a LOT :) |
| 20:11.18 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: "Show Windows While Switching Windows" |
| 20:11.19 | boo | but you can always replace bash with zash in /etc/shadow |
| 20:11.25 | boo | zsh |
| 20:11.36 | SSJ_GZ | np |
| 20:11.45 | rohan | SSJ_GZ: yes, that worked perfectly :) |
| 20:11.57 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: Cool - that annoyed me, too :) |
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| 20:12.13 | rohan | SSJ_GZ: i was going to delete my ~/.kde :) |
| 20:12.25 | rohan | SSJ_GZ: any idea what could've caused it to be reset? compiz? |
| 20:12.29 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: Hehe - a desparate man indeed :) |
| 20:12.47 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: I actually thought it was a crazy new default setting in KDE. |
| 20:13.06 | rohan | SSJ_GZ: well i don't think so, it happened only after installing and then removing this compiz. |
| 20:13.27 | SSJ_GZ | rohan: Dunno then. I know I had it, but have never installed compiz. |
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| 20:21.35 | cuci | I'm trying to get a debuging message from kopete and I ran gdb kopete then start, but I get:/var/tmp/paludis/kde-base-kopete-scm/work/kopete/kopete/kopete/main.cpp: No such file or directory. |
| 20:21.54 | cuci | kopete start ok though |
| 20:22.13 | cuci | any ideas? |
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| 20:23.47 | fy | what time is it? |
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| 20:26.12 | engineer | $stime |
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| 20:26.38 | engineer | p.30pm |
| 20:26.45 | fy | $stime |
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| 20:27.08 | GNU\colossus | Wed Jun 11 22:27:07 CEST 2008 |
| 20:27.37 | fy | Thu Jun 12. 4:25 AM |
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| 20:30.14 | fy | i play DOTA until now, what are you doing. engineer? |
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| 20:31.05 | engineer | implementing a cruise control system in java |
| 20:32.22 | pinotree | fy: this is not a random chat channel |
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| 20:32.45 | engineer | if nobody is talking i don't see why not |
| 20:33.46 | fy | sorry |
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| 20:39.47 | milian | can anybody confirm that konqueror from KDE 3.5.9 crahses when visiting this website: http://piwik.org/demo/ |
| 20:40.41 | Captainchris | hi everybody |
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| 20:41.11 | Captainchris | i've build kdelibs (cmakekde, make install) and kde is installed to /root/kde |
| 20:41.31 | Captainchris | is ook , or i move file to /usr /etc ... ? |
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| 20:42.11 | sandsmark | Captainchris: depends =) |
| 20:42.15 | sandsmark | bad idea to build it as root, though |
| 20:42.24 | sandsmark | what distro? |
| 20:42.40 | sandsmark | milian: yes =) |
| 20:42.41 | sandsmark | file a bug report |
| 20:42.51 | milian | sandsmark: ok thank you |
| 20:42.56 | sandsmark | x86_64 here, Arch Linux KDE 3.5.9 |
| 20:43.04 | sandsmark | iirc |
| 20:43.17 | sandsmark | oh, wait, that was locally |
| 20:43.19 | sandsmark | debian =) |
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| 20:45.55 | Captainchris | sandsmark, slackware |
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| 20:46.35 | sandsmark | Captainchris: then I have little-to-no-idea =) |
| 20:47.08 | daemon3 | Could I ask a question here about kmobiletools? I'm trying to get it to detect my Motorolla Razr, but all that I know how to set is the /dev/ device and the pone name. |
| 20:47.19 | Captainchris | why i'ts possible to install KDE automaticaly in /usr and /etc ? |
| 20:48.07 | sandsmark | Captainchris: in Arch Linux, we install to /opt, to not mess up stuff =) |
| 20:48.45 | Captainchris | ok |
| 20:49.09 | Captainchris | and after kde stay in /opt |
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| 20:49.43 | sandsmark | it is always in /opt |
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| 20:51.54 | Captainchris | why don't move to your usr and your etc ? |
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| 20:56.43 | sigma_12 | is the gtk qt integration working in kde4.1 working again? it kept crashing gtk apps on kde4.1 beta1 |
| 21:01.55 | fde | sigma_12: It's not working for me at all in 4.0.82 ... I'm just using a similar GTK theme for those apps. |
| 21:02.28 | fde | (the kcm module still does configure the widgets, but doesn't match the theme anymore...) |
| 21:02.53 | DanielW | how can i configure the theme of gtk apps? |
| 21:03.01 | DanielW | i use xchat in this ugly motif like default theme |
| 21:03.42 | fde | DanielW: gtk-qt-engine ... it'll show up in kcontrol or systemsettings |
| 21:03.56 | sandsmark | DanielW: which distro? |
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| 21:04.00 | fde | DanielW: In the appearence section, or look and feel |
| 21:04.02 | DanielW | that doesn't work here. can not find some lib or something like that |
| 21:04.10 | DanielW | sandsmark: archlinux |
| 21:04.14 | sandsmark | DanielW: kdemod? |
| 21:04.21 | sandsmark | we provide a qt-gtk-engine =) |
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| 21:04.23 | pinotree | do NOT use gtk-qt-engine (for kde3) if you are using kde |
| 21:04.24 | DanielW | kde4 from trnk |
| 21:04.28 | DanielW | trunk |
| 21:04.34 | pinotree | *kde4 |
| 21:04.37 | sandsmark | pinotree: there is a kde4 version? |
| 21:04.48 | sandsmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.52 | pinotree | no idea, but the kde3 version can cause only crashes |
| 21:05.00 | pinotree | example: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162824 |
| 21:05.16 | sandsmark | pinotree: the one we provide works just dandy =) |
| 21:05.16 | pinotree | if you want to use flash, do NOT use gtk-qt in kde4 |
| 21:05.21 | fde | pinotree: Any particular reason? It's around in openSUSE 11.0, so I used it to configure the theme only, not using the Qt theme though, just another GTK one... |
| 21:05.23 | sandsmark | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714 |
| 21:05.37 | sandsmark | «Depends on: Qt 4.x» |
| 21:05.42 | fde | pinotree: Prettier than gtk2-switch or whatever :P |
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| 21:05.56 | sandsmark | «Ported the theme engine to Qt4. Qt3 styles are no longer supported in this version - this is only for users who have upgraded to KDE4 or who want to use Oxygen in their GTK applications. |
| 21:05.58 | sandsmark | » |
| 21:05.59 | sandsmark | =) |
| 21:06.48 | pinotree | fde: yes: you configure gtk-qt (the *qt3* version) to use qt3 stuff -- then konqueror4 loads the flash plugin that in turns load gtk that in turns load qt3 stuff |
| 21:06.59 | pinotree | qt3 and qt4 are not compatible, so boom |
| 21:07.06 | friedrich| | scaling stuff (web) in konqueror looks really bad - and scrolling then is very slow |
| 21:07.10 | fde | pinotree: I use Firefox for flash stuff |
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| 21:09.19 | fde | pinotree: +konq is configured to load plugins on deman only... |
| 21:09.26 | pinotree | changes nothing |
| 21:09.38 | pinotree | as soon as one is requested, crash anyway |
| 21:09.59 | fde | pinotree: idk... nothing has gone boom on me... but then, like I said, I only use gtk-qt to choose a gtk theme. |
| 21:10.20 | pinotree | i'm referring to the gtk-qt3-engine |
| 21:10.33 | pinotree | if there's a qt4 version, should not be a problem |
| 21:14.29 | sigma_12 | gtk-qt-engine-kde4 doesnt work for me. worked in 4.0.3 but not now |
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| 21:15.21 | sigma_12 | the gtk app launches with the qt4 theme. then when i click anything it crashes |
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| 21:21.11 | Drantin | heh... don't know how it happened, but I've got kmix from 3.5.9 and 4.0.5 running at the same time... |
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| 21:23.37 | Quirocha | Hi |
| 21:24.26 | fde | Anyone know how to shut knotify4 up? It crashes everytime I do anything it seems like in konsole :/ |
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| 21:25.20 | Quirocha | i'm on Sabayon 3.5 loop-r4 and a net trouble: this icons says "Get live Help" -> Can somebody? |
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| 21:25.48 | fde | nm... I figured it out, now I feel dumb :( |
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| 21:26.39 | Quirocha | i installed my usb-net and can get root to access to internet but not users: any idea? |
| 21:26.44 | sputnick | hi there |
| 21:27.31 | Quirocha | i guess it must be users permissions: how/what can i change? |
| 21:27.51 | pinotree | Quirocha: you should ask in the channel of your distro: #sabayon |
| 21:27.57 | pinotree | (click on the link) |
| 21:28.42 | Quirocha | oh... sorry then ... Thanks :) |
| 21:29.47 | Quirocha | humpfs, i get message: " [474] #sabayon You're banned from that channel" |
| 21:30.03 | Quirocha | i never went there before ... |
| 21:30.09 | Quirocha | unregisted nick? |
| 21:30.30 | pinotree | no, because you are root |
| 21:31.09 | Quirocha | :( if i'm not root i cant access internet : that is my problem in the first place!!! |
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| 21:35.56 | cga | hi, how do i disable/enable single click/double click in dolphin behaviour for folders and files please? |
| 21:36.16 | pinotree | systemsettings â mouse |
| 21:36.25 | cga | thanks pinotree |
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| 21:44.54 | cghislai | hi all |
| 21:45.15 | cghislai | juk(19872): Communication problem with "juk" , it probably crashed. |
| 21:45.18 | cghislai | Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " |
| 21:46.40 | cghislai | any idea? i tried asking for new binaries, building dbus from git, using different phonon backend; but nothing works |
| 21:46.58 | cghislai | juk and amarok seems the only ones affected |
| 21:47.25 | cghislai | anybody out there? |
| 21:48.30 | angasule | I /think/ I solved my problem with kmail |
| 21:48.44 | cga | cghislai: the best place for this sort of things (read bugs?) is the bugtracker. search for it and if not found file one ;) |
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| 21:50.12 | angasule | little factoid that might be of use to others: if kmail complains about the folder [Gmail], right click, select 'properties' and uncheck 'include this folder in mail checks' and 'act on new/unread mail in this folder' |
| 21:50.25 | angasule | I think only the former is important, actually |
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| 21:52.13 | angasule | of course, if kmail didn't try to check mail in a non-existent folder to begin with, it'd be a lot better :P |
| 21:52.41 | fedora_ | hi Im on a live cd new to the fedora world |
| 21:52.52 | angasule | hi fedora_ |
| 21:53.02 | fedora_ | hi what is this |
| 21:55.15 | angasule | fedora_: this is #kde |
| 21:57.13 | fedora_ | what is the application GUI model is that aqua or x11 I just from the mac world |
| 21:57.45 | angasule | X11 is the base for linux' GUI |
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| 21:58.53 | fedora_ | wanna to install gcc and write the first program for x11 today |
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| 22:01.43 | kdepepo | fedora_, you should have a look into Qt toolkit from Trolltech if you want to write gui programs for Linux |
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| 22:02.25 | kdepepo | it is a lot easier than plain X11, visit http |
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| 22:02.30 | kdepepo | argh |
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| 22:02.51 | kdepepo | http://doc.trolltech.com/ |
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| 22:03.17 | fedora_ | yep another set of APIs that are going to burn into my brain cells |
| 22:04.15 | kdepepo | Qt is easy, honestly. all names are intuitive. |
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| 22:05.38 | kdepepo | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/mainclasses.html more Qt discussion -> #qt please |
| 22:05.55 | fedora_ | thanks kdepepo |
| 22:06.03 | kdepepo | :) |
| 22:07.23 | fedora_ | I think one server is resetting that is why that generates the round ribbion error msg , network noise here |
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| 22:09.48 | squishyalt | any dummies instructions on upgrading kde 3.5 to 4.x? |
| 22:10.44 | squishyalt | it doesnt have to be dummies - idiots or morons will do just fine |
| 22:10.49 | kdepepo | squishyalt, which distribution? |
| 22:11.06 | squishyalt | oooo...let me start the vm and check brb |
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| 22:11.33 | kdepepo | kde 4.x in vm? no fun :) |
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| 22:12.21 | kdepepo | I haven't seen a vm supporting compositing... |
| 22:12.32 | squishyalt | i just thought it may be better than 3.5 |
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| 22:13.03 | squishyalt | this is a vmware vm put out by aircrack-ng .... some penetration testing tools |
| 22:13.23 | kdepepo | well, not all 3.5 stuff has been ported to 4.x yet |
| 22:14.31 | kdepepo | so some say it isnt better than 3.5, depends on what you areaiming at |
| 22:15.27 | _lemma | kdepepo: while the vms nowadays don't support compositing kde4 actually doesn't work bad in a vm |
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| 22:16.04 | fedora_ | aircrack-ng use bracktrack linux |
| 22:16.11 | squishyalt | i keep getting dropped at the cafe |
| 22:16.25 | fedora_ | there are more than tools on backtrack like metasploit |
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| 22:17.01 | squishyalt | no bt3 is slackware based - the aircrack-ng kde 3.5 is debian based |
| 22:17.41 | fedora_ | but the backtrack is the best hacking tool that I found |
| 22:17.46 | squishyalt | kde needs an "upgrade my ass" button |
| 22:18.14 | squishyalt | bt3 is ok - i found a bug in the aircrack code that stops it from cracking certain 128 bit weps |
| 22:18.36 | squishyalt | they are looking into it - no eta for a fix |
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| 22:19.50 | squishyalt | so no click n rn installer for kde 4 then? |
| 22:20.45 | pinotree | kde never had such thing, this is all distro stuff |
| 22:20.57 | kdepepo | squishyalt, bug your distribution... |
| 22:21.55 | kdepepo | on openSUSE you get 1 click install ;) |
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| 22:24.12 | LukasT | Hi, i use NVidia 7600 GT in twin mode with two LCD displays. It is possible to setup Virtual Desktop for different monitor? |
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| 22:25.06 | squishyalt | you're asking here? |
| 22:25.11 | squishyalt | good luck |
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| 22:25.26 | kdepepo | LukasT, run nvidia-settings |
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| 22:26.10 | LukasT | squishyalt: where should i ask? |
| 22:26.38 | sputnick | why when I do "korganizer -m .kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics" I don't have anything ? if I edit the file, there's many entries |
| 22:28.04 | kdepepo | LukasT, on #nvidia |
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| 22:29.26 | Drantin | is there a reason that kde3 apps only seem to be able to run scripts if launched from konsole, and not from the kde4 krunner? (on KDE4.0.5) so far i've noticed the effects on konversation and amarok... |
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| 22:33.05 | crashandburn | wtf? |
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| 22:35.31 | sputnick | he can't run scripts from krunner. all is clear no ? |
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| 22:45.35 | mohbana | what's the default pdf feader on KDE? |
| 22:46.16 | pinotree | kpdf for kde3, okular for kde4 |
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| 22:58.18 | kdepepo | wow, Klipper remembers clipboard contents across reboots, I didn't know that... |
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| 23:05.31 | Kage_Jittai | nods at kdepepo |
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| 23:09.13 | troy | waves |
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| 23:24.03 | fiendishfish | do you know how I can make Konsole not timeout with inactivity with ssh? |
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| 23:32.32 | CIDR | Anyone have any experience with kde on os x? |
| 23:33.03 | TokBuga | help please i cant play divx movies |
| 23:33.23 | CIDR | I've been having some problems compiling kde-libs: http://rafb.net/p/MHIiFh16.html |
| 23:34.02 | pinotree | CIDR: #kde-mac (and patience) |
| 23:35.17 | CIDR | thanks |
| 23:37.11 | kdepepo | TokBuga, mplayer with w32codecs can. |
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| 23:37.34 | TokBuga | how can i install mplayer |
| 23:37.46 | TokBuga | i have downloaded mplayer |
| 23:37.50 | kdepepo | TokBuga, ask in distribution channel |
| 23:37.51 | TokBuga | but i cant install |
| 23:38.09 | kdepepo | TokBuga, you probably downloaded source instead of distribution packages. |
| 23:38.28 | TokBuga | i think :( |
| 23:38.44 | TokBuga | there is nobody in distribution channel |
| 23:38.58 | kdepepo | TokBuga, which Linux distribution do you use |
| 23:39.06 | TokBuga | Fedora |
| 23:39.13 | kdepepo | So #fedora |
| 23:39.22 | TokBuga | thanks |
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| 23:57.25 | daemon3 | Anyone know how to use moto4lin? I have my phone plugged in as an AT device, it recognizes it, but when I click Connect/Disconnect, I get this error: |
| 23:57.57 | daemon3 | [info] AT phone found |
| 23:57.57 | daemon3 | [info] Switching device /dev/ttyACM0 to P2K mode... |
| 23:57.57 | daemon3 | [error] Unable to open device |
| 23:57.57 | daemon3 | [error] Please check preferences |
| 23:57.57 | daemon3 | [error] Unable to connect |
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