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| 00:01.56 | kdavid | Hi I have KDE 4 in Kubuntu Hardy.. I am trying to fix my windows so I can open and close them by clicking on the "x" but the toolbars do not have it how do I set that up? As of now I have to click on file then quit.. |
| 00:03.29 | kdavid | hey where is everyone? |
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| 00:06.29 | sahaqiel_ | kdavid, you mean you don't window borders? |
| 00:06.40 | sahaqiel_ | *have |
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| 00:09.09 | kdavid | sahaqiel_: I have window borders but I am missing the x and expand and shrink buttons |
| 00:09.13 | jrick | I am running a 4.1 development snapshot (4.00.81) and noticed that the fonts are rendered much differently than in 3.5. I am using Freetype, libXft, Fontconfig, etc. with the LCD patches, but they don't appear to apply in 4.1. Either that, or the font hinting styles are only being set to either hintnone or hintfull; hintslight and hintmedium seem to change to hintfull. |
| 00:09.50 | sahaqiel_ | kdavid, i have no idea why they aren't there. changing teams doesn't work? |
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| 00:12.05 | ovnicraft | hi, i have installed kbfx but dont appears in my list of applets |
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| 00:12.18 | kdavid | sahaqiel_: I have tried changing themes but it still does not give me them buttons |
| 00:12.25 | ovnicraft | i download the package from home page for slackware |
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| 00:13.58 | yacc | Any idea how to get the URLs of embedded objects in Konqueror? |
| 00:14.34 | yacc | Well, I'm not that choosy, I'd take a way to adblock flash objects directly too :-P |
| 00:15.31 | sahaqiel_ | kdavid, i wish i could help further, seems i'm the only one answering right now. if that's a kubuntu issue, maybe someone already reported it in launchpad, #kubuntu maybe |
| 00:16.38 | kdavid | sahaqiel_: Thanks I'll try somewhere else |
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| 00:39.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Is the 4.1 beta anywhere near stable yet? Is it usable? (I don't mind the occasional crash or unimplemented feature too much) |
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| 00:40.09 | Digital_Pioneer | I see the videos, and it looks like it's a usable desktop. |
| 00:41.06 | pinotree | try it, and see how it is for you |
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| 00:42.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Can I use it without constantly switching back to KDE3 for stuff like Akregator or Ktorrent (to name a couple)? I'd like to know before I start figuring out how to get it early. |
| 00:42.52 | Digital_Pioneer | And is Kopete getting replaced or else getting a MAJOR overhaul? It's not working well at all for me anymore... :\ |
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| 01:15.42 | emmanuel | Que pedo |
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| 01:24.53 | kendrick | ok this is BIZARRE |
| 01:25.10 | kendrick | i'm using KDE 3.5 on Kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell laptop that came with Ubuntu |
| 01:25.37 | kendrick | i tested hibernating and coming back |
| 01:25.45 | kendrick | suddenly i cannot get to any websites. but only with konq. |
| 01:26.06 | kendrick | i can ping, i can ssh, i can do cvs-over-ssh, i can do fish://, i can IRC, and i can IM with kopete |
| 01:26.11 | kendrick | and i _CAN_ browse the web with firefox |
| 01:26.25 | kendrick | so something's "stuck" in konqueror. how do i unstick it? :) |
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| 01:26.59 | kendrick | i even tried killing the quickstart --preload konq process that was around |
| 01:27.33 | kendrick | ah... kded needed killing and resurrecting |
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| 01:27.35 | kendrick | bizarre :( |
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| 01:38.20 | anselmolsm | Hi, I've compiled kde from trunk and plasma is crashing on startup. Although I followed the guide "Getting Started/Build/KDE4", I think I missed something. |
| 01:39.00 | anselmolsm | I saved the crash report (plasma.kcrash) |
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| 02:02.53 | tinin | does anybody out there use the zattoo player in kde4? it is a tv player by internet |
| 02:03.11 | tinin | but gives me segfaults on kde 4.1b |
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| 02:05.14 | anselmolsm | my plasma.kcrash (plasma SIGSEGV): http://rafb.net/p/ErnHD688.html |
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| 02:24.37 | brezhnev | hola |
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| 02:25.07 | g2g591 | hello |
| 02:25.18 | brezhnev | hi |
| 02:25.22 | brezhnev | hola |
| 02:25.26 | brezhnev | hello |
| 02:25.33 | brezhnev | que aburrido |
| 02:25.40 | brezhnev | byeç |
| 02:25.44 | g2g591 | I know, things can get boring |
| 02:25.45 | brezhnev | adios |
| 02:25.48 | g2g591 | chaio |
| 02:26.15 | brezhnev | no hablo ingles lo siento |
| 02:26.24 | brezhnev | y menos lo escribo |
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| 02:26.28 | g2g591 | no hablo mucho español |
| 02:26.37 | brezhnev | aaahh |
| 02:26.42 | brezhnev | pero si lo entiendes |
| 02:27.02 | g2g591 | ¿ #kde-es ? |
| 02:27.16 | brezhnev | perdon? |
| 02:27.31 | g2g591 | para hablas en español |
| 02:28.02 | brezhnev | aah ok |
| 02:28.16 | g2g591 | personas hablan en español alla |
| 02:28.37 | brezhnev | no sabia gracias |
| 02:28.41 | brezhnev | de donde eres? |
| 02:28.56 | g2g591 | soy de los Estados Unidos |
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| 02:29.16 | brezhnev | Yo soy de Venezuela |
| 02:29.24 | g2g591 | bien |
| 02:29.47 | brezhnev | de que parte de USA eres? |
| 02:29.51 | kuadrosx | brezhnev: :D yo Colombia, te invito a #kde-es |
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| 02:30.28 | g2g591 | no sé como habla lo |
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| 02:31.34 | g2g591 | you tengo dos años de español, no puedo hablar bien |
| 02:31.48 | brezhnev | pero lo haces muy bien |
| 02:31.56 | g2g591 | gracias |
| 02:34.19 | g2g591 | necesito salir ahora . adios |
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| 03:08.01 | g2g591 | anyone know how to get Konqueror 4.x to USE the webkit kpart? |
| 03:08.42 | Jucato | step 1: compile it. step 2. View menu or change File Associations |
| 03:08.45 | Jucato | (that's how I heard it |
| 03:08.58 | Jucato | you might need to run "kbuildsycoca4" in between |
| 03:09.32 | g2g591 | ah |
| 03:10.01 | g2g591 | ah, i bet it will be under view -> mode -> |
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| 03:10.21 | Jucato | most probably |
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| 03:10.26 | g2g591 | hmm i thought i had it installed but i don't. i guess ill get compiling |
| 03:11.06 | g2g591 | seing as KHTML is under there i suppose webkit will be too |
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| 03:13.13 | tinin | does somebody know how should I translate a Kde app? I want to translate krecipes into spanish http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/po/krecipes.po/es/ |
| 03:13.21 | g2g591 | too bad gentoo has to checkout all of playground/libs just for the webkit |
| 03:13.28 | tinin | what am I supposed to do, please? |
| 03:13.47 | g2g591 | tinin: i think #kde-devel will be of much help |
| 03:14.09 | tinin | not mch people there |
| 03:14.13 | tinin | and they all code |
| 03:14.38 | tinin | someone recomended me "lokalize" |
| 03:14.48 | tinin | its a kde4 app to translate |
| 03:15.09 | tinin | but I don't know how to get the .po file now |
| 03:15.14 | Jucato | it's not "all code" in #kde-devel |
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| 03:15.26 | tinin | should I download it from svn or so? |
| 03:16.02 | tinin | I asked there yet, but not much activity |
| 03:16.14 | Jucato | bad timing |
| 03:16.39 | Jucato | it's IRC. not everyone's always available to answer 24/7 :D |
| 03:16.49 | tinin | sure |
| 03:17.04 | Jucato | tinin: I think there's a #kde-es (or #kde.es ) channel |
| 03:17.18 | Jucato | and there might be a mailing list for l10n/i18n |
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| 03:17.43 | tinin | also asked there |
| 03:17.52 | tinin | I'll try other day maybe |
| 03:18.08 | Jucato | or other time |
| 03:18.25 | Jucato | or stick around in #kde-devel and ask when you see there's activity |
| 03:18.50 | Jucato | you can't always expect people to be always active whatever the time. some people do need to sleep or work :P |
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| 03:19.15 | tinin | I just thought it would be easier to contribute, like with a webpage to trnaslate there |
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| 03:19.40 | Jucato | have you checked techbase.kde.org for some info? |
| 03:19.54 | tinin | I'll do |
| 03:19.55 | tinin | thanx |
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| 03:21.16 | g2g591 | ah shoot, this latest svn revision of konqueror got rid of the view -> mode menu |
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| 03:21.47 | g2g591 | ... just when i get the webkit kpart installed |
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| 03:30.53 | nikke | Hey when i start kde it "hangs" can't open any programs, it opens but nothing happens.. |
| 03:30.56 | nikke | i got an crashreport before i restarted x it was the panel |
| 03:30.57 | nikke | so now im in a terminal |
| 03:31.20 | nikke | ctrl+alt+f1 in kdm |
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| 03:47.24 | flaccid | im having my kde4 lockup the system on login now. wondering how to troubleshoot. this seems to happen a lot and have to reset profile. how can i troubleshoot this? should i kill kdm and startx manual and s forth? |
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| 03:50.35 | wastrel | hah |
| 03:51.41 | derek__ | flaccid: is it something to do with effects? I've had to manually disable them in .kde from time to time |
| 03:52.20 | flaccid | not sure. but i had effects off. it freezes at the end of the splash load dialog thing |
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| 03:58.17 | blauzahl | tinin: there's a #kde-i10n channel (i'm sure i got that last part wrong, but that phrase...), it is sort of low traffic, but they log and can point you towards the right docs if you didn't find a mailing list or the like |
| 03:58.35 | Drantin | i18n ? |
| 03:59.09 | derek__ | flaccid: log into a session as twm or something simple and shell like. run startkde from your kde4 install, and it will show you the error message |
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| 03:59.46 | Drantin | heh... #kde-i18n 's website is http://l10n.kde.org |
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| 04:01.00 | Drantin | tinin: http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=es |
| 04:01.19 | tinin | I found the files to translate, I just need to know who are their developers blauzahl |
| 04:02.05 | blauzahl | tinin: look for the copyrights under http://websvn.kde.org and that app? |
| 04:02.30 | blauzahl | ie look at the source, it probably says |
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| 04:02.54 | flaccid | derek__: cheers mate |
| 04:03.47 | tinin | yeah, that's what I'm looking for, theypointed me to where the files are on kde-devel channel thanx |
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| 04:04.08 | nikke | hey i dont have writeaccess to .iceauthority ?? i cant login? |
| 04:05.45 | derek__ | nikke:-rw------- 1 derek derek 734 2008-06-02 08:00 .Xauthority |
| 04:05.55 | derek__ | nikke: on my machine. |
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| 04:06.15 | nikke | derek__: but it said .iceauthoroty |
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| 04:07.49 | derek__ | nikke: do you have write access to the ~ folder? |
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| 04:08.27 | nikke | yepp |
| 04:08.46 | nikke | the .ICEauthority didnt exist :o |
| 04:08.55 | nikke | i created it now |
| 04:08.58 | nikke | should i try again? |
| 04:09.10 | derek__ | -rw------- 1 derek derek 3043 2008-06-03 12:12 .ICEauthority |
| 04:10.09 | nikke | derek__: what rights is that? |
| 04:10.26 | derek__ | nikke: read write for user |
| 04:10.31 | nikke | how do i set it? |
| 04:10.35 | nikke | chmod **** ? |
| 04:12.03 | nikke | brb |
| 04:12.07 | nikke | im going to reboot |
| 04:12.10 | nikke | but my bnc is here |
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| 04:22.01 | codename | .JOIN |
| 04:23.33 | Drantin | ...? |
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| 04:26.23 | flaccid | i should be able do a startx : --1 on another tty and start kde4 (kde3 in default x session atm)? |
| 04:27.13 | ethan961 | there is an option somewhere near the logout thing in the menu that allows you to start another x server |
| 04:27.28 | flaccid | oh yeah thats right thanks |
| 04:27.36 | flaccid | but that will startkde by default? |
| 04:28.19 | ninjaslim | ok i'm having a recurring problem, KDE 4 on Gentoo and Debian have both experienced slowdowns for me, to the point that the machine starts to crawl with disk activity is there a fix for this or is kde running some background process |
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| 04:31.01 | ethan961 | I think it just starts kdm |
| 04:31.14 | ethan961 | or whatever is your default |
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| 05:07.05 | nostar | im on kde 4 as shipped with fedora 9, and i cant figure out how to any type of configuration other than size and location of the panel. ie change the color or pixmap used or even add a custom launcher. it defaults to the vista'ish blacj gloss panel which i like but if i make it small or tiny it meesses up all the icons |
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| 05:07.19 | nostar | and also is the control center gone in kde4? |
| 05:07.54 | flaccid | yep no control center and other config options for plasma panel in 4.1> |
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| 05:09.00 | nostar | so is a matter of usign a 'different' panel than or is that even an option? |
| 05:09.21 | flaccid | no option atm fr 4.0x users iirc |
| 05:09.31 | nostar | oh my |
| 05:10.26 | flaccid | its pretty good in upcoming releases |
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| 05:10.47 | nostar | whats pretty good? |
| 05:10.52 | bgmiki | how to open torrent file with azureus in konq |
| 05:11.01 | flaccid | its resizable etc. |
| 05:11.05 | nostar | ah |
| 05:11.11 | bgmiki | find bittorent in konq |
| 05:11.23 | flaccid | bgmiki: change file assocation in configure konq |
| 05:11.43 | nostar | its actually resizeable now but all the icons dont resize right and clock gets cut off and cant change the clock font size, etc |
| 05:12.06 | flaccid | oh yeah sorry. that bug is fixed and you can change width and position as well iirc in 4.1 |
| 05:13.53 | bgmiki | flaccid, i find where....big plugin list in konq -KDE4 svn |
| 05:14.17 | flaccid | huh |
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| 05:15.51 | bgmiki | good they put search ....in configure |
| 05:17.41 | nostar | i cant figure out how to not use an image for a wallpaper, just black is that possible? |
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| 05:19.59 | aseigo | nostar: pretty much all of this has been addressed for 4.1 |
| 05:20.11 | flaccid | Sho_: how are ya |
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| 05:20.45 | bgmiki | aseigo, did we see hide icon for systray in KDE4.x |
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| 05:20.53 | nostar | ok |
| 05:21.05 | nostar | come on yum feed me :) |
| 05:21.07 | aseigo | bgmiki: nope. that'll be in 4.2. |
| 05:21.20 | bgmiki | ok tnx |
| 05:21.28 | aseigo | notes he was the one who added that feature to 3.4 =) |
| 05:21.51 | nostar | hopefull 4.1 shows up on the f9 repos soon |
| 05:21.58 | bgmiki | I have here 10 apps in systray :) |
| 05:22.08 | aseigo | bgmiki: i really wish i wasn't hamstrung by this feature freeze atm, but there you have it =/ |
| 05:22.36 | aseigo | bgmiki: because it's really .5 - 1 days work to get back to what we had in 3.5 .. but i can't add new features or strings at this point |
| 05:22.55 | aseigo | yeah, i deal with the same annoyance. at least in 4.1 it does 2 rows properly if your panel is big enough |
| 05:23.06 | aseigo | oh, and you can also put it on the desktop if you prefer and get right out of the way |
| 05:23.28 | bgmiki | if u use Kontact 5 icons are in systray ....:) |
| 05:23.46 | aseigo | yeah, kontact is such an abuser of the systray |
| 05:23.54 | aseigo | one nice thing about akonadi ---> one systray icon |
| 05:23.56 | bgmiki | but after all plasma looks now good |
| 05:24.07 | aseigo | though that too is a 4.2 thing for kontact at this point (hopefully not longer than that) |
| 05:24.18 | nostar | for now i guess ill gimp up a big black png |
| 05:25.53 | bgmiki | i love to do svn up here to see what is new in plasma |
| 05:25.57 | bgmiki | :D |
| 05:26.53 | yacc | Any idea how to make konqueror reveal the URLs of embedded objects and images? |
| 05:27.37 | aseigo | images -> right click -> copy image -> paste in a text area (e.g. an editor) |
| 05:28.44 | aseigo | embedded objects -> view source, really =/ |
| 05:30.06 | yacc | aseigo: Does not help much for embedded objects created by scripts? |
| 05:30.15 | aseigo | nope.. |
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| 05:30.31 | aseigo | you could try using the dom inspector tool that comes with konq (assuming it was installed) |
| 05:30.34 | aseigo | that might work out |
| 05:30.46 | yacc | That's an interesting idea. |
| 05:31.28 | bgmiki | grr krunner crash again |
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| 05:36.05 | yacc | Any idea what pathname the DOM inspector plugin has? (or Ubuntu package name?) |
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| 05:43.27 | MathStuf | hi, i am using KConfig and i can read from the files fine, but nothing is getting saved back (4.0.4 on F9) |
| 05:44.04 | illogic-al | MathStuf: do you have write permissions on the file? |
| 05:44.14 | MathStuf | yes |
| 05:44.24 | MathStuf | its the KGlobal::config() file |
| 05:44.30 | MathStuf | well, what that grabs |
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| 05:44.54 | illogic-al | is this a source code problem? |
| 05:45.06 | MathStuf | it sees data i put in its file in ~/.kde/share/config/ fine, but its not writing back anything |
| 05:45.36 | MathStuf | its my code, yes |
| 05:46.07 | illogic-al | ah. try #kde-devel then |
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| 06:11.09 | MathStuf | illogic-al: needed to do configGroup.config()->sync() manually |
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| 06:15.35 | illogic-al | i'm glad you figured it out MathStuf. were the people in #kde-devel any help? |
| 06:16.31 | MathStuf | i gave it a shot |
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| 06:16.38 | MathStuf | had no response there yet |
| 06:16.59 | MathStuf | (though may be a bad time being night in the US and early in Europe) |
| 06:17.10 | illogic-al | yup |
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| 06:22.47 | MathStuf | hmm...some values still aren't being synced... |
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| 06:28.01 | MathStuf | seems that some values are being destroyed or something |
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| 06:51.59 | sergio | I have seen a rss reader for the systray as a plugin, but now I don't remember the name... anyone knows it? |
| 06:53.10 | cb400f | sergio: akregator? |
| 06:54.28 | sergio | cb400f: mmm I don't thing it was akregator... I remember it on kde 3.0 |
| 06:54.53 | sergio | cb400f: it allow to see "the news" on the systray |
| 06:55.21 | MathStuf | oh, I've seen that before...can't remember the name |
| 06:55.25 | cb400f | there's a newsticker panel applet.. but it's not in the systray |
| 06:55.55 | sergio | knewsticker |
| 06:55.57 | sergio | yes |
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| 06:56.21 | sergio | cb400f: sorry I mean in the task bar :P |
| 06:56.35 | cb400f | np, you just confused me :-) |
| 06:56.47 | MathStuf | hmm...wish it had an "import akregator feeds" option |
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| 07:04.42 | Dumble | hello world ! |
| 07:05.52 | sergio | Dumble: your first "hello world!" in some programming language? :P |
| 07:05.52 | vecciora | Hello fellas! |
| 07:06.11 | Dumble | the first I say every morning ;) |
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| 07:06.20 | sergio | Dumble: :P |
| 07:06.28 | vecciora | print "Hello, world!" |
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| 07:07.35 | gmartyn | System.out.println("Hello, vecciora!"); |
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| 07:08.04 | erik-k | Wow, KDE4 is looking better and better... |
| 07:08.26 | vecciora | I agree with you. |
| 07:08.45 | erik-k | I just hope that it doesn't lock up like it was doing to me before... |
| 07:08.46 | ian_ | I'll switch back with 4.1 I think |
| 07:09.09 | Dumble | std::cerr << "Hello world!" << std::endl; // that's my favourite language |
| 07:09.20 | ian_ | eww |
| 07:09.23 | Maik | cerr? |
| 07:09.37 | Maik | whats wrong with Hello World? |
| 07:09.38 | Maik | :) |
| 07:09.44 | Dumble | :D |
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| 07:10.04 | erik-k | Real men write their own bytecode interperters in assembly |
| 07:10.15 | ian_ | bytecode? |
| 07:10.23 | ian_ | O_O |
| 07:10.34 | Dumble | real men write binary code |
| 07:10.57 | erik-k | Real men write and run ASM on real-mode-only machines without backing up first. |
| 07:11.11 | Maik | erik-k: I thought they weld their code into platins |
| 07:11.17 | gmartyn | real men do their best coding while having sex |
| 07:11.44 | Maik | with what? |
| 07:11.45 | gmartyn | true multitaskers, those men |
| 07:12.02 | gmartyn | ah it's too late |
| 07:12.08 | gmartyn | 3:12 |
| 07:12.31 | Maik | huh, at this time I went to bed |
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| 07:13.18 | erik-k | Well, alt-f2 has transparently replaced clicking on the "run command" bar on the lower-right of my task bar |
| 07:13.20 | erik-k | hehe |
| 07:13.22 | sergio | I can't wait until kde 4.1 will be released :( |
| 07:13.38 | Dumble | same |
| 07:13.55 | ian_ | I didn't know alt-f2 was a new feature |
| 07:14.06 | erik-k | Oh, it's in 3.5.x too? |
| 07:14.13 | ian_ | yes, lol |
| 07:14.24 | erik-k | Huh. shrugs |
| 07:14.44 | Maik | ok people, I have a problem. Kwrite (or better the kate-part) makes tabs to spaces in Makefiles. |
| 07:14.55 | Maik | How can I change this behavior |
| 07:15.16 | erik-k | Oh god, texture corruption |
| 07:15.25 | Maik | using a fresh compiled trunk, btw |
| 07:15.38 | erik-k | If I knew what was good for me, I would quit right now before I have to power-cycle this box |
| 07:16.48 | erik-k | Maik: Kwrite -> settings -> configure editor -> editing -> general -> insert spaces instead of tabs? |
| 07:17.13 | Maik | is unchecked |
| 07:17.20 | Maik | doesn't work |
| 07:17.29 | erik-k | ... Ok I'm stumped |
| 07:17.53 | Maik | Its the indention service which courses the trouble |
| 07:18.00 | Maik | it overrides the tab |
| 07:18.06 | Maik | argg... |
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| 07:33.03 | sartek | kde-look.org's source isnt available ? |
| 07:33.05 | sergio | I have not tested yet but... it will be possible to resize kicker in kde 4.X? I have seen it with a big size |
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| 07:34.28 | Dumble | there is no more kicker in KDE 4 |
| 07:34.43 | Dumble | and yes, the toolbars are resizeable |
| 07:35.00 | sergio | Dumble: oh I didn't know that the name was changed :) |
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| 07:36.06 | Dumble | it's plasma |
| 07:37.33 | sergio | Dumble: I have seen some "plasmoids" :) |
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| 07:44.20 | erik-k | Ugh, what the heck is this? Every time, I get 15-20 minutes of use out of KDE4 before it freezes my system |
| 07:44.44 | annma | erik-k: what desitro? |
| 07:44.48 | erik-k | Gentoo |
| 07:44.53 | annma | erik-k: what distro? |
| 07:44.55 | annma | ok |
| 07:45.00 | annma | what version? |
| 07:45.11 | erik-k | of Gentoo or KDE |
| 07:45.13 | erik-k | ? |
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| 07:46.47 | erik-k | I downloaded KDE4 from svn on may 30th; |
| 07:47.01 | erik-k | It's still got the same lockup that's been there since I first tried it |
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| 07:48.21 | erik-k | (I was here for a few minutes about 40 minutes ago - that's when it crashed and I just finished rebooting) |
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| 07:49.17 | erik-k | Seriously, what the heck could be causing that? |
| 07:49.39 | erik-k | The only warning sign seems to be corrupted textures |
| 07:49.59 | erik-k | Then I've got about a minute to kill it or my system freezes |
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| 07:53.02 | erik-k | What, am I the only person in the bloody world whose system KDE4 locks up? |
| 07:57.05 | sergio | erik-k: I'm still using kde 3.5 |
| 07:57.45 | erik-k | It's just so... infuriating! It starts off working great (and is it /so/ slick), and then... |
| 07:57.59 | erik-k | BAM! Haha, you get to spend half an hour running a filesystem check |
| 07:59.15 | erik-k | Like in the South Park episode with the hippy festival, and Cartman's locked up and he starts screaming incoherently? That's how I feel. |
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| 07:59.49 | sergio | erik-k: use sysrq to sync your filesystem |
| 08:00.02 | erik-k | ? |
| 08:00.08 | ionutz | how can i change location of where trash store files ? |
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| 08:01.37 | sergio | erik-k: alt + sysrq + s |
| 08:01.48 | erik-k | Once kde4 locks up, absolutely NOTHING works. |
| 08:02.07 | erik-k | No combination of keys, I can't even ssh in |
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| 08:07.47 | ionutz | how can i change location of where trash store files ? |
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| 08:21.02 | Jevsan | hello all, I have a question about Kmail, there is no way to make hiperlinks in the messages? |
| 08:22.01 | annma | if you set the editor to html you can put hyperlinks |
| 08:23.59 | Jevsan | so i can use <a href="myweb.com">my web</a> ?? |
| 08:24.55 | annma | yes |
| 08:25.58 | Jevsan | not working |
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| 08:27.47 | annma | just write it without the tags then |
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| 08:28.03 | annma | myweb.com will automatically become a link I think |
| 08:28.09 | annma | I never use HTML mode |
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| 08:28.29 | Jevsan | Thanks annma, I think it is not possible to do that |
| 08:28.43 | Jucato | Jevsan: try asking in #kontact |
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| 08:28.46 | Jucato | they might now |
| 08:28.50 | Jucato | know* |
| 08:28.56 | Jevsan | ok, I'll try |
| 08:29.11 | Jucato | speaking of kontact... why is all so messed up in trunk right now :/ |
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| 08:30.59 | Jevsan | no idea |
| 08:33.24 | annma | Jevsan: I just did it |
| 08:33.42 | annma | I sent myself a mail and the link was highlighted |
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| 08:35.12 | Jevsan | how? |
| 08:35.23 | Jevsan | in plain text? |
| 08:35.42 | annma | HTML and I wrote http://edu.kde.org |
| 08:35.50 | annma | as I do here in konvi in fact |
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| 08:36.08 | annma | maybe it also works in plain text in fact |
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| 08:36.59 | Jevsan | I did the same, but my problem is, to write KDE and then KDE must be highlighted |
| 08:37.20 | Jevsan | hyperlinked to http://edu.kde.org |
| 08:37.53 | annma | ask in #kontact then |
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| 08:38.02 | annma | it's not explained in the doc? |
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| 08:39.20 | Jevsan | I'm waiting for their answer (#kontact) |
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| 08:40.42 | annma | I read in the doc that embedding images is not possible so maybe links as you want is not either |
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| 08:45.39 | RLa | does kde try to set audio volume when logging in? |
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| 08:46.08 | RLa | well, something is changing audio volume every time i log in |
| 08:46.23 | RLa | that is extremely annoying |
| 08:46.40 | aliumalik | In control center the box for enable subpixel rendering is grayed out...can anyone tell me how to enable it? |
| 08:47.20 | cb400f | RLa: kmix might have some setting to restore some volume level |
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| 08:48.01 | RLa | cb400f, i'm not running it when kde starts up |
| 08:49.15 | RLa | ok, i found setting in kmix |
| 08:49.24 | RLa | unchecked it |
| 08:49.51 | RLa | i relogin |
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| 08:52.14 | RLa | thanks, it is ok now |
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| 09:22.33 | flaccid | here is a good question. how do i find out the kde version im currently running? |
| 09:23.17 | monkeyiq | anyone having issues binding key events to window manager ops like goto(desktop) on 41b1? |
| 09:23.26 | pinotree | gui: from any kde application: help â about kde |
| 09:23.37 | pinotree | console: akdeapp --version |
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| 09:24.04 | flaccid | pinotree: i was looking for an app independant way |
| 09:24.37 | pinotree | --version |
| 09:24.54 | flaccid | that requires a kde app |
| 09:25.19 | pinotree | $ man --version |
| 09:25.19 | pinotree | man 2.5.2 |
| 09:25.29 | pinotree | is `man' a kde application? |
| 09:26.12 | rohanpm | flaccid: of course, you need to find the version with respect to an app, because different apps can be different versions |
| 09:26.15 | flaccid | im asking how to find the kde core/base version currently running without calling an app binary |
| 09:26.34 | flaccid | but surely the environment has binaries called from startkde or something |
| 09:27.05 | pinotree | without calling any binary? then only the package manager of your distro knows tha |
| 09:27.06 | pinotree | t |
| 09:27.47 | flaccid | how does the kde about box get the version? |
| 09:28.02 | rohanpm | flaccid: it gets the version from the library it linked to |
| 09:28.03 | pinotree | via the kde libs? |
| 09:28.05 | rohanpm | So, app specific |
| 09:28.33 | rohanpm | flaccid: You could try to find the running instance of a process like kded for the current session, look in proc to find out exactly which binary it is, then run it with --version . |
| 09:28.42 | pinotree | --version is what you want, and it's quite widespread on *nix environments |
| 09:29.08 | flaccid | so i guess my question is which process/binary to check with. kded you say? |
| 09:29.33 | psteyn | hai |
| 09:29.49 | pinotree | it's the same, any kde application replies to --version in the very same way |
| 09:30.27 | flaccid | so really there is no accurate way for a program to check kde4 version in use considering kde3 and kde4 could be installed |
| 09:30.40 | flaccid | it would have to check ps first and the binary names could be distro dependant |
| 09:30.55 | pinotree | kde4-config --version ? |
| 09:31.31 | rohanpm | flaccid: the problem is the 'in use' bit; if you did what I said, it'd tell you for sure which version of kded is `in use' for the current session, but there's no guarantee that e.g. konqueror is the same version |
| 09:31.34 | flaccid | well it would be more complex logic to 'Get KDE version' considering all the possibilities |
| 09:31.47 | flaccid | yeah i guess thats my argument.. |
| 09:32.36 | pinotree | what is the problem in calling `kde4-config -version | grep KDE` ? |
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| 09:33.31 | flaccid | pinotree: if im running kde3 will that return kde3? |
| 09:33.36 | pinotree | no |
| 09:33.43 | flaccid | thats why |
| 09:33.48 | pinotree | (sigh) |
| 09:33.55 | flaccid | mind you im talking all theory here. its not for in practice really |
| 09:34.19 | flaccid | curiosity. but possibly used for a generic sysinformation kind of script |
| 09:34.19 | pinotree | all the therity... what for? what is the concrete idea you want to do? |
| 09:34.29 | pinotree | *theory |
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| 09:36.01 | flaccid | nothing really. but out of personal interest - how to get 'generically' the kde version/in use |
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| 09:36.34 | flaccid | i understand the portable nature of kde and back/forwards compat etc. |
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| 10:26.56 | Remaille | Hi, question about Knode, is there a way to hide/show quoted text ? |
| 10:27.16 | Remaille | like in pan with "q" key |
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| 10:44.50 | Ahlawy | when i try to to open the storage media with konqueror i get this message media:/sda1 any clues? |
| 10:45.31 | Ahlawy | this is the message org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result) |
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| 10:47.12 | Ahlawy | when i try to to open the storage media with konqueror i get this message org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result) |
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| 11:00.15 | Ahlawy | when i try to to open the storage media with konqueror i get this message org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result) sny help? |
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| 11:04.17 | vlt | Hello. How can I set the umask kmail uses when saving attachments to the file system? |
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| 11:07.48 | blauzahl-laptop_ | Ahlawy: you're on debian, aren't you? |
| 11:08.37 | Ahlawy | fedora 8 |
| 11:08.49 | blauzahl-laptop_ | really? huh |
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| 11:09.15 | flaccid | where can i read about the intended behaviour for kde4 desktop icons ? |
| 11:09.25 | Ahlawy | is this strange? |
| 11:10.04 | Ahlawy | the live kde cd |
| 11:10.11 | blauzahl-laptop_ | it happened to me in 3.5.5 & old debian |
| 11:11.46 | Ahlawy | it is shown ok when i am root |
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| 11:26.08 | Sput | flaccid: desktop icons are gone, say hello to folderview |
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| 11:34.02 | flaccid | Sput: um ok. where can i read about that, because i move files off the desktop the icons remain even though i moved the files? |
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| 11:36.00 | flaccid | hooray plasma crashed again, back to old config because it onlys saves on exit, hooray.. |
| 11:36.37 | flaccid | also have to rename Home.desktop to Home |
| 11:36.40 | annma | what KDE version? |
| 11:36.52 | flaccid | 4.0.4 or 4.1 |
| 11:37.00 | annma | how to reproduce? |
| 11:37.08 | flaccid | one sec |
| 11:37.10 | annma | my plasma never crashes on trunk now |
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| 11:38.32 | flaccid | i see the problem in kde 3, you create shortcut to application on desktop and then look in kde4 |
| 11:38.45 | Sput | flaccid: 4.0 or 4.1? |
| 11:38.46 | flaccid | does thie folderview not respect the open desktop standard with .desktop entries |
| 11:38.50 | flaccid | either |
| 11:39.03 | Sput | it's different, because folderview just appeared in trunk a week or two ago |
| 11:39.08 | flaccid | still the whole move files off desktop and icons remain is another one |
| 11:39.11 | flaccid | ah ok |
| 11:39.19 | annma | flaccid: wait wait wait |
| 11:39.30 | annma | you mean you have the same KDEHOME? |
| 11:39.47 | annma | my KDE4 doe snot see my KDE3 Desktop folder |
| 11:40.07 | Sput | well, until recently, KDE4 would show ~/Desktop |
| 11:40.25 | annma | I use a different user |
| 11:40.34 | annma | but even so, why doe sit crash? |
| 11:40.50 | annma | my Desktop has a kde3 app in it |
| 11:41.38 | annma | flaccid: when you have a clear procedure let me know |
| 11:41.49 | flaccid | annma: that wasn't clear enough? |
| 11:41.52 | annma | I can add stuff in Desktop via kde3 konq |
| 11:41.54 | annma | no |
| 11:42.09 | flaccid | why not |
| 11:42.15 | annma | tell me: do this then that |
| 11:42.27 | annma | <flaccid> i see the problem in kde 3, you create shortcut to application on desktop and then look in kde4 |
| 11:42.48 | flaccid | i thought i did that. go into kde3 create a shortcut on your desktop to home and then logout then go into kde4 and check desktop |
| 11:42.49 | annma | how do you create shortcut? you log in kde3? |
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| 11:42.59 | flaccid | yes right click create shortcut to application |
| 11:43.12 | annma | can you do it via kde3 konqueror but in kde4? |
| 11:43.22 | flaccid | i mean if plasma desktop is not to use ~/Desktop thats um pretty non standard? |
| 11:43.31 | flaccid | um let me see |
| 11:43.45 | Sput | flaccid: as of now, plasma will no longer use ~/Desktop but can display any folder |
| 11:44.01 | Sput | even multiple folders |
| 11:44.02 | annma | flaccid: Desktop is ~/Desktop as default but can be changed in System Settings |
| 11:44.14 | annma | wait guys |
| 11:44.18 | annma | you mix everything |
| 11:45.02 | annma | FolderView shows Desktop as default |
| 11:45.15 | annma | let's flaccid reproduce from within kde4 |
| 11:45.36 | flaccid | annma: ok open konq3 goto ~/Desktop right click shortcut to URL call it Home and link to ~/ it won't work on desktop |
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| 11:46.04 | Sput | yes it does, but there are no "desktop icons" anymore in current trunk |
| 11:46.16 | Sput | which is good, because desktop icons never worked right |
| 11:46.19 | flaccid | i click on it, it does nothing |
| 11:46.31 | flaccid | they seemed to work ok in kde3 |
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| 11:46.50 | annma | flaccid: you said it crashes |
| 11:46.52 | flaccid | so the contents of my Home.desktop in ~/Desktop is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16853/ |
| 11:47.01 | annma | does it crash?= or not? |
| 11:47.08 | annma | or only not work |
| 11:47.17 | flaccid | thats another issue. on the next line, i said 'also' :) |
| 11:47.27 | Sput | flaccid: now if you use a current KDE checkout, you should be able to create a folderview, which shows your desktop icons, and they should be working there |
| 11:47.33 | annma | $HOME |
| 11:47.44 | Sput | if your KDE4 is older than say a week, well, look forward to a working solution :) |
| 11:47.56 | annma | URL[$e]=$HOME/ |
| 11:48.04 | annma | is taht valid? |
| 11:48.42 | annma | not sure about that bug |
| 11:48.47 | annma | what is the crash? |
| 11:48.57 | annma | a crash is easier to deal with, I prefer crashes |
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| 11:50.23 | flaccid | hmm i re-saved it with /home/flaccid and that translates to URL[$e]=file://$HOME which works but $HOME does not |
| 11:51.01 | flaccid | when i goto the preview tab on any icon properties plasma crashes |
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| 11:51.37 | flaccid | so kde4 does not like URL[$e]=$HOME in the .desktop, kde3 does |
| 11:51.49 | flaccid | Sput: is that part of the fix in upcoming version? |
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| 11:52.23 | Sput | flaccid: don't know tbh, didn't really use folderview except for trying it once |
| 11:52.27 | Sput | I'm not a desktop icon guy |
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| 11:53.22 | flaccid | well the thing is its an open desktop standard that kde adopted and it doesn't work and we are in version 4 now :) |
| 11:53.36 | flaccid | not much to ask having a desktop icon for home :p |
| 11:55.26 | flaccid | actually people on the other popular desktops leave files on the desktop as its a workspace. taking away the feature to freely copy, delete and move files from ~/Desktop is not good |
| 11:56.29 | illogic-al | this isn't other desktops :-) |
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| 11:56.44 | illogic-al | and you can still do all that with the file manager |
| 11:57.44 | flaccid | illogic-al: yes but kde officially adopts the freedesktop standards |
| 11:58.34 | illogic-al | flaccid: what's that have to do with your arguement? |
| 12:01.50 | flaccid | so kde just decided to scrap the desktop in kde4? thats going to annoy a lot of users |
| 12:02.02 | annma | flaccid: lol |
| 12:02.12 | Sput | what is the "desktop" for you? |
| 12:02.22 | annma | flaccid: just issue a bug report |
| 12:02.26 | annma | and be done with it |
| 12:02.29 | Sput | you can put a folderview displaying ~/Desktop on your desktop |
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| 12:02.45 | annma | I'd like to reproduce the crash flaccid |
| 12:02.45 | illogic-al | is still wondering what freedesktop standards have to do with an alternate way of displaying the desktop |
| 12:02.57 | annma | let's focuse on the crash |
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| 12:03.11 | annma | flaccid: how do I reproduce it? |
| 12:03.15 | Sput | hasn't seen plasma crash in quite a while |
| 12:03.21 | flaccid | from memory i think i did submit a bug report |
| 12:03.44 | annma | for the desktop thing? |
| 12:03.54 | flaccid | 1 at a time please |
| 12:04.10 | annma | yuo said you had a crash when I talked to you |
| 12:04.12 | flaccid | give me a few seconds |
| 12:04.17 | annma | yes, sure |
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| 12:04.27 | flaccid | [21:51] <flaccid> when i goto the preview tab on any icon properties plasma crashes |
| 12:04.41 | flaccid | so right click an icon and goto preview tab from properties |
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| 12:07.08 | Jucato | no crash here (SVN) |
| 12:07.25 | flaccid | Sput: where abouts is the folderview config in system settings? |
| 12:08.01 | Sput | flaccid: it's just a plasma applet |
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| 12:08.03 | Jucato | flaccid: Folder View is currently just a plasmoid (applet). in the future it will be made into a containment |
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| 12:08.12 | flaccid | illogic-al: this is not alternative way of displaying, this is about displaying and successfully running a Home.desktop created from kde3 |
| 12:08.13 | Sput | oh it will? cool |
| 12:08.43 | annma | flaccid: can you paste the backtrace in pastebin please? |
| 12:08.45 | flaccid | but how do i enable this folderview |
| 12:09.20 | Jucato | flaccid: what version of KDE are you running? |
| 12:09.21 | flaccid | do i kquitapp to get plasma to exit gracefully and save its config because it only does that on exit and if you crash you revert to your plasmarc from last login session.. |
| 12:09.24 | annma | add widgets -> folderview |
| 12:09.52 | Jucato | yeah, what annma said |
| 12:09.57 | flaccid | KDE: 4.00.80 (KDE 4.0.80 >= (KDE 4.1 Beta1) nixternal's pkgs |
| 12:10.05 | illogic-al | flaccid: so then your problem is with opening the .desktop file, not how kde 4 chooses to present the desktop. because whether you have a traditional desktop or not, kde opens the files the same way. |
| 12:10.16 | Jucato | flaccid: it would be in the Add Widgets collection |
| 12:10.21 | Jucato | nooo don't die!! |
| 12:10.24 | Jucato | oops wrong window |
| 12:10.42 | Jucato | (stupid lag :P) |
| 12:11.15 | flaccid | illogic-al: still the bug exists when i delete files and icons remain.. |
| 12:11.41 | flaccid | still kde is the one that runs the Home.desktop and fails too |
| 12:11.47 | Jucato | flaccid: have you even tried the folder view plasmoid? |
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| 12:12.00 | illogic-al | still that has nothing to do with folderview... |
| 12:12.06 | flaccid | yes just did now. i click on Home.desktop (which does show as Home.desktop and not Home) and nothing happens |
| 12:12.15 | flaccid | i never brought folderview up illogic-al |
| 12:12.24 | Jucato | did |
| 12:12.42 | flaccid | its like kde4 only likes file:// in a .desktop and not something like $HOME |
| 12:12.53 | annma | flaccid: wait |
| 12:12.58 | Jucato | ... |
| 12:13.00 | illogic-al | flaccid: you were the one complaining about it, apparently without ever even trying it out. |
| 12:13.04 | annma | did you report this desktop thing |
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| 12:13.20 | flaccid | i will search bugs, its likely |
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| 12:13.25 | annma | flaccid: I understand what you mena |
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| 12:13.29 | annma | mean |
| 12:13.46 | annma | give me the bug mink and I'll confirm |
| 12:14.01 | flaccid | so that one plus if i go and remove all my ~/Desktop files, and i have Show desktop icons enabled the file icons remain yet the files are deleted |
| 12:14.56 | annma | hmm weird that Desktop.desktop runs Dolphin though flaccid |
| 12:15.04 | annma | so .desktop files are honored |
| 12:15.05 | flaccid | let me check that |
| 12:15.22 | annma | all .desktop are honored except yours |
| 12:15.55 | flaccid | annma: but are testing but clickon the plasma desktop or folderview widget? my Home.desktop runs in dolphin yes but not the former |
| 12:16.35 | annma | in folderview I can click on Desktop.desktop but not on your Home.desktop |
| 12:16.58 | flaccid | annma: where was your Desktop.desktop created and what is the contents diff? |
| 12:17.01 | Jucato | Plasma desktop containment doesn't read ~/Desktop by default. but the Folder View plasmoid is set to ~/Desktop by default. and it launches .desktop files just fine |
| 12:17.08 | annma | in folderview Desktop.desktop opens Dolphin but not on your Home.desktop |
| 12:17.33 | annma | my Desktop.desktop has always been there from my distro probably |
| 12:17.34 | Jucato | tries |
| 12:17.44 | annma | isn't it created when you add a user as part of your /home? |
| 12:18.00 | annma | I suppose so and for sure I never created it myself |
| 12:18.07 | Jucato | depends on the distro I believe |
| 12:18.18 | flaccid | Jucato: it does on mine and when i added folder view ~/ was default and it depends what is in the .desktop file ie. URL[$e]=$HOME |
| 12:18.51 | flaccid | so in konq3 goto ~/Desktop, right click, shortcut to URL and specify ~ as path. |
| 12:19.05 | Jucato | annma: what did you use in URL[$e]? |
| 12:19.14 | annma | for what? |
| 12:19.20 | annma | I am utterly confused here |
| 12:19.27 | Jucato | actually I don't think $HOME works |
| 12:19.40 | Jucato | annma: this line in flaccid's .desktop file URL[$e]=$HOME |
| 12:19.48 | flaccid | sweet another verifier :) |
| 12:19.51 | Jucato | <flaccid> so the contents of my Home.desktop in ~/Desktop is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16853/ |
| 12:20.15 | Jucato | um.. that's what I've been doing for the past minutes... |
| 12:20.21 | Jucato | which is why my character got mobbed and died |
| 12:20.40 | annma | Type=Directory |
| 12:20.50 | annma | wouldn't that be the entry to add for a folder? |
| 12:21.04 | flaccid | annma: if thats the case then kde validation on that field is wrong |
| 12:21.09 | annma | flaccid: are you sure your .desktop file is compliant? |
| 12:21.12 | flaccid | or the logic |
| 12:21.16 | Jucato | annma: when you right-click -> Create New -> Link to location (URL) in Konqueror, it uses Type=Link |
| 12:21.23 | flaccid | annma: well konq3 created it so i would hope so |
| 12:21.50 | annma | Jucato: what does freedesktop say for a folder? |
| 12:22.00 | annma | mayeb it's old konq3 which is wrong |
| 12:22.13 | Jucato | annma: I created mine in Konq4 |
| 12:22.22 | Jucato | not sure what fd.o says it should be though |
| 12:22.39 | Jucato | theoretically it is a link (URL)... it just so happens to be a link to a folder :) |
| 12:23.17 | Jucato | flaccid: changing uRL[$e]=$HOME to ~/ makes it work in Konq, Dolphin and Folder View |
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| 12:23.38 | Jucato | and as a separate plasmoid icon |
| 12:24.06 | flaccid | if i change to Type=Directory kde4 says desktop type unkonwn |
| 12:24.12 | Jucato | yep |
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| 12:24.25 | Jucato | did you try changing the URL like I said? |
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| 12:24.54 | flaccid | yep that works. so konq3/kde3 shouldn't change it to $HOME and instead retain ~/ ? |
| 12:25.08 | Jucato | either way, it seems that the problem is with the .desktop file or how Konq creates it or how KDE reads it |
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| 12:25.25 | Jucato | so for the first time, it's not Plasma's fault |
| 12:25.27 | annma | are env vars vaild in a desktop file |
| 12:25.28 | Jucato | :D |
| 12:25.39 | Jucato | I'll check in Konq3 |
| 12:25.39 | flaccid | should check the spec to see if shell vars are valid |
| 12:25.48 | flaccid | yeah lets check |
| 12:25.57 | annma | thanks |
| 12:26.03 | flaccid | http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ |
| 12:26.14 | annma | nice, we actually manage to be productive |
| 12:26.23 | flaccid | maybe not http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s03.html |
| 12:26.27 | Jucato | annma: it works fine in Konq3 |
| 12:26.33 | flaccid | damn straight |
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| 12:26.51 | Jucato | but not in Konq4 |
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| 12:27.20 | flaccid | ah http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html |
| 12:27.57 | Jucato | flaccid: I'd have to say that I would trust KDE 4 more wrt fd.o compliance:) |
| 12:28.08 | jaqob | Hello! Are there any good way to handle cpu scaling, suspend and so on in kde 4? or is the old kpowersave still the way to go? |
| 12:28.09 | Jucato | though I still don't see anything whether env vars are honored |
| 12:28.23 | annma | it says "strings" |
| 12:28.36 | annma | are env vars valid strings for it is not said |
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| 12:28.43 | Jucato | indeed |
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| 12:29.13 | annma | when I saw flacid .desktop I immediately spotted the $HOME |
| 12:29.22 | annma | for me it seemed un-natural |
| 12:29.32 | annma | as a basic instinct ;) |
| 12:29.37 | Jucato | annma: what's confusing is that if you create the .desktop file in Konq (Link to location), typing in $HOME in the location autocomplete's the Name field with the user's name/home dir |
| 12:29.49 | Jucato | giving the illusion that it does honor it |
| 12:29.58 | annma | konq from kde4? |
| 12:30.04 | flaccid | i don't think its that simple Jucato. i can't find env vars in the spec and Directory is a valid Type |
| 12:30.20 | Jucato | annma: yes |
| 12:30.36 | annma | so that should be reported |
| 12:30.41 | Jucato | flaccid: we're no longer focusing on the Directory= line but on whether env vars like $HOME are allowed |
| 12:30.50 | annma | there's an issue here, whatever fault it is |
| 12:30.51 | flaccid | Directory is a valid type and not sure which directive goes with that for the path as its not URL |
| 12:31.01 | flaccid | Jucato: um its in the spec.. |
| 12:31.08 | Jucato | flaccid: where? |
| 12:31.28 | flaccid | my last URL above |
| 12:31.46 | Jucato | yes. where does it say that env vars are accepted as valid URL values/ |
| 12:31.51 | flaccid | still kde3 doesn't like Directory type either |
| 12:32.36 | flaccid | it doesn't, could find that. but in theory kde could recognise it as an env var and pre-parse it |
| 12:32.41 | flaccid | could=couldnt |
| 12:33.03 | Jucato | flaccid: that's what we're trying to figure out :) |
| 12:33.09 | Jucato | not the Type, but the URL :) |
| 12:33.09 | flaccid | but that would break the standard and make the icon fail in other DEs |
| 12:34.49 | flaccid | ok Directory appears to be used for Menu folders i think |
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| 12:35.21 | Jucato | sighs |
| 12:35.24 | annma | OK the same Home.desktop is valid for kde3 but not for kde4 |
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| 12:35.41 | Jucato | flaccid: why are you still obsessing over the Type=Directory thing? |
| 12:35.44 | annma | Type=Directory |
| 12:35.45 | annma | URL[$e]=$HOME/ |
| 12:35.53 | annma | this is valid in kde3 but not in kde4 |
| 12:36.07 | flaccid | Jucato: clarification? |
| 12:36.14 | Jucato | annma: yeah, it's the $HOME that makes or breaks it |
| 12:36.18 | Jucato | not the Type actually |
| 12:36.19 | annma | a .desktop file with that will open in konq3 but not in konq4 |
| 12:36.35 | flaccid | i look at the overall picture not just making it work, we've already worked that out |
| 12:37.07 | Jucato | annma: maybe Konq should expand $HOME immediately when creating the .desktop file? |
| 12:37.26 | flaccid | yep thats what i suggested :) |
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| 12:38.06 | Jucato | the Type really doesn't matter. and imho it should probably remain as Link |
| 12:38.29 | annma | yes |
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| 12:38.53 | annma | I am trying to see who is a .desktop devel in KDE but I don't see who |
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| 12:39.19 | Phlogi | whats the channel for dolphin? What fits best? |
| 12:39.26 | flaccid | the type does matter :) i was simply finding out what type=Directory is for and its for entries in the menu to create a folder from what i can see |
| 12:39.35 | Jucato | there isn't any Phlogi. what do you need? |
| 12:39.54 | flaccid | so i think i identified 3 bugs. the third is that it should display as Home (ie. remove the .desktop from the view) |
| 12:40.28 | Phlogi | Jucato: talking about a potential bug: should the address of sftp really look like this: http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3928/dolphinwe0.png ? |
| 12:40.49 | Phlogi | the text should be centred |
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| 12:41.04 | flaccid | annma: here is the backtrace you request for the preview crash http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16864/ |
| 12:41.09 | Phlogi | what do you think? |
| 12:41.23 | annma | flaccid: KDE3 did not remove the .desktop |
| 12:41.33 | flaccid | annma: what do you mean sorry |
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| 12:41.48 | annma | <flaccid> so i think i identified 3 bugs. the third is that it should display as Home (ie. remove the .desktop from the view) |
| 12:41.51 | annma | flaccid: KDE3 did not remove the .desktop |
| 12:41.55 | Jucato | Phlogi: which test? |
| 12:42.01 | flaccid | i thought it did |
| 12:42.08 | flaccid | i will check |
| 12:42.10 | annma | flaccid: teh back trace is not valid, you need debug packages installed |
| 12:42.51 | flaccid | ok then |
| 12:42.51 | flaccid | Jucato: which pkgs are those on kubuntu? |
| 12:42.57 | Jucato | flaccid: find -dbg packages. not sure really |
| 12:43.03 | Jucato | I don't use Kubuntu KDE4 packages |
| 12:43.20 | Jucato | flaccid: oh and Folder View doesn't show the .desktop extension of Home.desktop |
| 12:43.24 | flaccid | dbg pkgs for which exactly? |
| 12:43.52 | Jucato | *IF* you set it to "Show desktop folder" and not a custom folder set to ~/Desktop |
| 12:44.22 | Jucato | flaccid: see if there's a kdebase-kde4-dbg package |
| 12:44.25 | flaccid | annma: it does for me |
| 12:44.39 | flaccid | Jucato: thats what its set to |
| 12:44.39 | Jucato | flaccid: in the folder view plasmoid? |
| 12:45.02 | derMani | I've added a second kicker bar to my kde desktop (kde 3.5.7) and want to resize it. I clicked with the right mouse button on the kicker bar, opened the panels references and changes the size of that panel. But only my first kicker panel has been reduced in size... is it possible to resize that second kicker bar? |
| 12:46.14 | Jucato | derMani: Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart" then try it again |
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| 12:46.50 | flaccid | Jucato: yep |
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| 12:47.21 | Jucato | flaccid: see mine: http://jucato.org/stuff/plasma_home.png |
| 12:47.23 | derMani | ok Jucato now it works ;:-) |
| 12:47.41 | jaqob | Noone? What is the plan concering powersaving and suspend and so on for kde4? |
| 12:47.53 | derMani | thx for the tip |
| 12:48.41 | Jucato | waits for flaccid so that he could get back to his game.. |
| 12:48.46 | flaccid | Jucato: i guess its because you on svn |
| 12:49.05 | Jucato | flaccid: probably. which means you can scratch out that bug |
| 12:49.11 | flaccid | i'll submit all these bugs as best as i can. im getting the dbg pkgs now atm |
| 12:49.31 | flaccid | yes 3 remain however :) |
| 12:49.31 | Jucato | you said that was the 3rd |
| 12:49.31 | flaccid | also i did a kquitapp plasma && plasma &> /dev/null |
| 12:49.38 | flaccid | and it did not save save plasma rc before quit |
| 12:49.55 | Jucato | it doesn't save it if plasma crashed in the process of quitting |
| 12:50.01 | flaccid | the other one is the crash on properties - preview of the icon. most likely not related |
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| 12:50.10 | titou | hi |
| 12:50.12 | Jucato | like I said, no crash on properties here |
| 12:50.19 | Jucato | properties -> preview I mean |
| 12:50.53 | titou | i'm trying to add comments in a PDF with okular but these comments or highlights are not saved in the PDF |
| 12:51.01 | titou | does someone knows how can i do to save them? |
| 12:51.08 | Jucato | (just saying btw) |
| 12:51.10 | pinotree | no way |
| 12:51.13 | titou | maybe it's a bug? |
| 12:51.21 | pinotree | we cannot export them to any format, yet |
| 12:51.36 | flaccid | Jucato: no worries cheers Jucato |
| 12:51.42 | titou | that's strange |
| 12:51.43 | titou | why? |
| 12:51.53 | Jucato | flaccid: I'm just trying to save you some time :) |
| 12:51.56 | pinotree | because we cannot change them in the pdf? |
| 12:52.04 | Jucato | flaccid: but who knows. annma might have that crash as well |
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| 12:52.26 | titou | can't you add specific PDF comments in a new PDF when the user use the "save" option?! |
| 12:52.32 | flaccid | Jucato: yep sweet as mate, so i think 2 bugs here. not too shabby. 1. the env var in desktop entry 2. deleted files from ~/Desktop remain as icons on desktop |
| 12:52.34 | titou | +tags |
| 12:53.00 | flaccid | Jucato: i also don't assume that 1 user report is enough to clarify a bug because of the difference in vars but it is likely |
| 12:53.04 | pinotree | that -is- the problem: we cannot add/remove/edit the annotations in the pdf |
| 12:53.13 | Jucato | flaccid: lemme see your bug #2 :P |
| 12:53.21 | titou | pinotree: is it undocumented? |
| 12:53.26 | pinotree | ? |
| 12:53.39 | titou | the PDF comment mechanism |
| 12:53.52 | titou | sorry annotations |
| 12:54.17 | pinotree | what do you mean? |
| 12:54.23 | Jucato | flaccid: your plasma crash: http://jucato.org/stuff/plasma_preview.png |
| 12:54.44 | titou | i don't really understand why several pdf editors can add / remove / edit annotations in pdf and not okular |
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| 12:54.49 | flaccid | Jucato: oh um like if you touch ~/test.txt; touch ~/test2.txt then check desktop for them then goto konsole and delete them then restart kde4 are the icons still there ? |
| 12:54.53 | titou | so maybe it was an undocumented thing |
| 12:55.04 | pinotree | because the library we use for pdfs does not allow that? |
| 12:55.16 | pinotree | and beside that, okular is and won't never be a "pdf editor" |
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| 12:55.23 | pinotree | *is not |
| 12:55.34 | titou | ok |
| 12:55.51 | titou | so why adding tools to add annotations? |
| 12:55.52 | Jucato | flaccid: we're talking about the Folder view plasmoid right? because afaik the desktop containment no longer reads ~/Desktop by default |
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| 12:56.34 | pinotree | because at least you can add comments when using okular? |
| 12:57.11 | titou | but if you can't save your comments in the PDF, it's quite useless |
| 12:57.27 | pinotree | if you use okular, it isn't |
| 12:57.41 | flaccid | Jucato: does it require adding folder view plasmoid or does it literally not allow ~/Desktop on it at all, or just off by default but can be turned on? |
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| 12:58.48 | Jucato | flaccid: the Desktop containment itself does not allow ~/Desktop *EXCEPT* in the Folder View plasmoid, which is added to the desktop by default and set to "Show the desktop folder" |
| 12:59.39 | Jucato | flaccid: and the folder view is updated when you create or delete a file in ~/Desktop (or any folder it's set to view) from Dolphin or Konsole or anywhere |
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| 13:00.01 | Jucato | flaccid: basically you're down to 1 bug :P |
| 13:00.19 | flaccid | Jucato: sorry i guess my question is. now folder view is mandatory if you want this behaviour. ie. i kind of don't want it in a plasmoid, i just want them on the desktop.. |
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| 13:01.08 | titou | pinotree: maybe i didn't understand hat you said.. |
| 13:01.13 | Jucato | flaccid: for now yes. in the very near future. the Folder View will be available also as a containment, basically providing the original desktop behavior |
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| 13:01.42 | flaccid | ok sorry about the stuff around i understand it all now. was just that you can't position the file icons in folder view |
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| 13:02.06 | flaccid | takes away the workspace concept of a desktop which has been de facto for so many years now :) |
| 13:02.22 | Jucato | flaccid: you can't? |
| 13:02.53 | grundleborg | flaccid: you can! |
| 13:02.55 | titou | pinotree: thus how do you keep your annotations with okular? |
| 13:03.02 | Half-Left | I like the plasma folder view, great idea |
| 13:03.07 | pinotree | they are saved internally |
| 13:03.14 | flaccid | hmm not moving for me |
| 13:03.39 | titou | ohhh ok |
| 13:03.41 | grundleborg | maybe its a recent addition (I am running today's svn) |
| 13:03.41 | flaccid | hmm yeah are now was a bit glitchy |
| 13:03.57 | titou | and restored when you re-open your document? |
| 13:03.58 | Jucato | grundleborg: impossible that it's only today :0 |
| 13:04.01 | pinotree | of course |
| 13:04.04 | Jucato | I haven't updated in 2 days :P |
| 13:04.06 | titou | ok right |
| 13:04.10 | titou | thank you for your explainations |
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| 13:04.20 | pinotree | thank you for using okular :) |
| 13:04.38 | Half-Left | flaccid, I just realized that you can do that :) |
| 13:05.00 | flaccid | i just realised that um desktop is now showing entries from my ~/ |
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| 13:05.07 | flaccid | eg. smb4k folder |
| 13:05.08 | pinchartl | hi |
| 13:05.11 | flaccid | what would be doing that Jucato? |
| 13:05.13 | titou | pinotree: in fact i don't use it since KDE 4.1 isn't released :) |
| 13:05.17 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/plasma_folder.png |
| 13:05.17 | Half-Left | yer well it can be any folder you want |
| 13:05.27 | titou | i just tried to use it to add annotations since it has the tools for.. |
| 13:05.28 | pinotree | titou: okular is in kde 4.0 as well :P |
| 13:05.35 | titou | KDE 4.0 isn't stable :p |
| 13:05.48 | Jucato | it's stable |
| 13:05.51 | Half-Left | Jucato, Thats needs cleaning up :p |
| 13:05.57 | Jucato | "stable" and "complete" isn't the same |
| 13:05.59 | titou | it often crashs on my computers |
| 13:06.01 | Jucato | Half-Left: what does? |
| 13:06.18 | pinotree | shifts in direction of the shower, bbl |
| 13:06.19 | Half-Left | your plasma folder stuff |
| 13:06.19 | titou | (ie. not kde but some components of it) |
| 13:06.30 | Jucato | Half-Left: that's my kde4 user's home folder |
| 13:06.37 | Half-Left | oh |
| 13:06.44 | Jucato | and I was just showing flaccid that it can be moved around |
| 13:06.52 | Jucato | I don't have desktop icons in principle |
| 13:06.54 | Half-Left | I see |
| 13:07.00 | Jucato | my ~/Desktop folder is either empty or non-existent |
| 13:07.32 | flaccid | Jucato: yeah but now it has created icons to files/folders in my ~/ on the desktop itself. what would be doing that? |
| 13:07.34 | pinchartl | is kde4 supposed to run smoothly with an rv350 gpu using the open-source radeon driver ? |
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| 13:07.47 | Jucato | flaccid: that I don't know |
| 13:07.55 | Half-Left | I have a nice glass plasma theme with a few kde4 games in a plasmoid |
| 13:08.06 | Jucato | flaccid: what the folder view probably does need is to remember the positions of the icons :/ |
| 13:08.26 | flaccid | well its quite strange that after allt his they have appeared from no where |
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| 13:08.49 | Jucato | anyways... I'm doing a pinotree and heading for the shower too :) |
| 13:08.57 | flaccid | there is even 2x smb4k icons |
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| 13:10.34 | flaccid | hmm yes some crazy shiz has happened in plasma |
| 13:10.43 | flaccid | it won't quite graceful either. im going to logout |
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| 13:11.14 | fishsponge | is there a shortcut key in KDE to lock the session? |
| 13:11.22 | fishsponge | i'm in KDE 3.5 btw... |
| 13:11.26 | Jucato | fishsponge: Ctrl+Alt+L |
| 13:11.35 | fishsponge | thanks Jucato! |
| 13:11.40 | Jucato | you can set it to anything you want too |
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| 13:11.56 | Jucato | KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard shortcuts |
| 13:12.01 | Jucato | right gone now |
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| 14:04.14 | hayig2000 | hi all,what are the minimum requirements for the desktop effects to work? |
| 14:04.30 | hayig2000 | i have nvidia geforce mx 440 |
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| 14:07.06 | Maik | hayig2000: I have an E6600. 4GB Ramd and nvidia 8600GT 173.xx driver |
| 14:07.38 | Maik | The effects caused a notable CPU load of about 15% |
| 14:08.08 | pinchartl | Maik: on my rv350 with the open-source driver the cpu load is around 100% |
| 14:08.08 | Maik | qt-copy was compiled in release mode and the kde stuff with RelWithDebInfo |
| 14:08.17 | flaccid | the effects hog the cpu but not sure about he gpu.. im on a radeon 9600 and its fine but likes the cpu |
| 14:08.54 | flaccid | 64mb card on notebook for me |
| 14:09.11 | Maik | I really would like to know which effects cause the high cpu load. |
| 14:09.55 | Maik | And if its because some Xorg thingy causes the nvidia driver to fall back to some software rendering |
| 14:10.44 | flaccid | im not sure where the bottleneck is but im using the restricted driver and nv doesn't do 3d so i dont the the restricted would fall back to software rendering |
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| 14:11.38 | Maik | I use the restricted driver too |
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| 14:12.31 | Maik | but the cpu load is to high though |
| 14:13.35 | flaccid | yep. need to find someone who can clarify where the problem is exactly |
| 14:14.27 | Maik | I hear only good things about the intel video chips? How they perform on kde4? |
| 14:14.57 | Maik | first first ? should have been an period :) |
| 14:15.06 | Maik | argg |
| 14:15.39 | flaccid | um it can be good but intel resolution can be a problem. i wouldn't say intel is no issues |
| 14:16.36 | flaccid | see nvidia is best/least issues but requires restricted driver and the open nv driver has no 3d stuff. so its a big catch |
| 14:16.49 | flaccid | but nvidia does provide bsd,linux and win drivers |
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| 14:17.48 | Maik | I would be nice to have the nvidia driver open sourced, because on the long term they will become even better. But the current situation is ok. |
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| 14:18.47 | flaccid | if it all goes open all the problems end up going away. but yeah dang |
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| 14:25.59 | Maik | The linux still has to go a long way for comeing an major desktop platform. And this isn't gnome's neither kde's fault |
| 14:26.24 | Maik | its all about hardware support |
| 14:26.57 | colo_mobile | erm... yes. exactly. |
| 14:27.26 | colo_mobile | GNU/Linux absolutely is ready for the desktop |
| 14:27.35 | colo_mobile | from a technical point of view at least |
| 14:28.01 | flaccid | this is why i bash my head against the wall everyday and im a web standards guy so i bash it even more |
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| 14:30.11 | jtamate | hi, I have a question. When konquror shows a local file (of any type), shouldn't the window title reflect the local file it is showing? |
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| 14:31.04 | annma | jtamate: how come? |
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| 14:31.25 | annma | if I open a txt file in integrated viewer it displays the filename |
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| 14:31.47 | grundleborg | annma: for a PNG file it just says "PNG File" |
| 14:32.02 | grundleborg | s/file/image/ |
| 14:32.04 | annma | ok wish report |
| 14:32.28 | jtamate | I'm visiting the bug http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131685, I create a simple file with extension xml and the content of the script, when I enter the name of the file directly in the address bar, it still shows the bug title. |
| 14:33.31 | psteyn | Maik: WRONG |
| 14:33.47 | psteyn | hardware support is great. it's all about SOFTWARE support. |
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| 14:34.06 | psteyn | such as: 3D games made for Windows only, Adobe products. |
| 14:35.49 | Maik | psteyn: which software? |
| 14:35.56 | Maik | drivers? :) |
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| 14:44.25 | psteyn | Maik: Are you daft? |
| 14:44.29 | psteyn | :p |
| 14:44.51 | pinchartl | psteyn: I'd definitely say hardware support on the graphics side isn't good enough |
| 14:45.27 | pinchartl | I can't run kde4 with my rv350 |
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| 14:46.01 | psteyn | Using which drivers? |
| 14:46.19 | pinchartl | the open-source radeon driver |
| 14:46.44 | psteyn | That's atleast being worked on now that AMD has opened up |
| 14:46.56 | psteyn | but the official driver should work |
| 14:47.09 | pinchartl | it's probably being worked on, but it's still not there |
| 14:47.20 | pinchartl | so it's not good enough right now |
| 14:47.27 | psteyn | that doesnt matter, the official driver is there |
| 14:47.32 | psteyn | why dont u use that |
| 14:47.54 | pinchartl | because it won't work with my 2.6.25 kernel |
| 14:47.56 | Maik | psteyn: ever owned an ATI card? |
| 14:48.00 | pinchartl | and because it's closed-source |
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| 14:48.26 | Maik | the driver works in sense of it displays something and got some 3D support |
| 14:48.33 | Maik | but its a mess |
| 14:49.00 | Maik | By no means it can compete with the nvidia drivers |
| 14:49.02 | psteyn | I played UT2003 and Doom 3 on my old R9600 using official drivers |
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| 14:49.55 | pinchartl | psteyn: R9600 isn't that old |
| 14:49.55 | psteyn | anyway, thats hardly whats preventing *NIX from becoming a major desktop platform |
| 14:49.55 | psteyn | yes it is |
| 14:50.08 | psteyn | 9600 is OLD |
| 14:50.11 | pinchartl | psteyn: it's barely 2 years old |
| 14:50.42 | pinotree | sorry for the interruption, but can you please move the discussion to #kde-chat? thanks |
| 14:50.56 | psteyn | not that it matters either, since the only newer games than UT2003/doom3 is ET:QW |
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| 14:51.04 | psteyn | im done |
| 14:51.09 | pinchartl | pinotree: sure |
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| 14:58.55 | psteyn | the 9600 (a.k.a. RV350) series was rolled out in early 2003. |
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| 15:00.39 | bedahr | hi! can phonon be used to record sounds? this features is said to be in 4.1 (according to wikipedia) but I can't find any information about it... |
| 15:01.40 | bedahr | the phonon api-doc link for kde-unstable on api.kde.org is dead btw. |
| 15:01.42 | g2g591 | im sure if you can find a nice app that does takes the input from phonon it can |
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| 15:02.16 | bedahr | actually I am trying to port simon from using RtAudio to phonon |
| 15:02.28 | bedahr | RtAudio has some troubles with usb-audio and phonon recognizes them |
| 15:04.49 | g2g591 | let me double check websvn.kde.org for any files in the phonon dir that sound like recording |
| 15:05.45 | bedahr | already did that in my checkout from like yesterday... the only matches for "recording" are path.h mediasource.h and mediaobject.h - and they only contain the doxygen-tag "\ingroup Recording" |
| 15:06.38 | bedahr | but it really can't be that phonon doesn't support recording at all, does it? |
| 15:07.35 | pinchartl | bedahr: maybe you should search for 'input' instead of 'recording' ? |
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| 15:08.00 | bedahr | huh... |
| 15:08.01 | g2g591 | if i remember right, i think i seen an output thing in systemsettings , so i suppose that you could direct that to a recording app |
| 15:08.58 | bedahr | yes in systemsettings there even is a list of "Audio Capture" categories (communication and accessibility) |
| 15:09.23 | g2g591 | well, audio capture = recording |
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| 15:09.32 | bedahr | only match for input is the inputPaths() function in medianode.h... let's look at that |
| 15:10.04 | bedahr | g2g591: yes I know that is why I don't understand why there is exactly zero documentation about recording (at least in qts documentation and on api.kde.org) |
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| 15:11.05 | g2g591 | don't see anything about recording in audiooutput.c |
| 15:11.23 | g2g591 | hmm, audiodataoutput.c looks interesting though |
| 15:11.50 | g2g591 | yeah, that looks like recording stuff |
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| 15:12.10 | g2g591 | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/phonon/xine/audiodataoutput.cpp?view=markup |
| 15:12.18 | bedahr | g2g591: thanks |
| 15:13.27 | bedahr | g2g591: how is this related to recording? "AudioDataOutput"? |
| 15:14.07 | pinotree | bedahr: phonon does not support recording yet |
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| 15:15.02 | bedahr | pinotree: oh |
| 15:15.29 | bedahr | is someone working on this? |
| 15:15.36 | pinotree | #phonon |
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| 15:16.16 | bedahr | yes I was already there and nobody cared to respond |
| 15:16.43 | StucKman_ | hi all. can I share the wallets between kde3 and kde4? |
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| 15:16.55 | bedahr | sorry don't want to sound grumpy but all the sound-libraries are just... well... and phonon looked _so_ promising |
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| 15:17.29 | pinotree | bedahr: ask again now in #phonon |
| 15:17.45 | bedahr | ok |
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| 15:24.28 | hareldvd | Any idea if there is a feature to "reset" locale definition to English layout in "Control Center->Reagonal & Accessability->Keyboard Layout" or similar operation? |
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| 15:41.02 | g2g591 | hmm |
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| 16:27.47 | Yarcanox | on new kde4 kgpg doesn't work |
| 16:27.58 | Yarcanox | it just doesn't start, when being run on console it prints out nothing |
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| 16:32.42 | StucKman_ | Yarcanox: strace -ff ? |
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| 16:38.36 | Yarcanox | StucKman_ that looks like it could be part of the problem: http://eloxoph.net/paste.txt |
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| 16:41.39 | tech9iner | whats our favorite way to share qt-recordMyDesktop's *.ogv and/or *.ogg.ogv format videos with microsux veesta or xp'pee peers me kdeMates please.. tx |
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| 16:43.04 | SimAtWork | what is kded ? |
| 16:43.04 | SimAtWork | it keeps crashing on this one install |
| 16:43.14 | SimAtWork | and it's goign to make me look stupid if i don't fix this soon... can i just disable kded ? |
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| 16:45.18 | Yarcanox | um |
| 16:45.20 | StucKman_ | SimAtWork: you can't disable it, kde won't run if not present |
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| 16:45.24 | Yarcanox | StucKman_ it works, it was just in the tray >.< |
| 16:45.30 | Yarcanox | and I haven't seen it >.< |
| 16:45.31 | StucKman_ | Yarcanox: meeh |
| 16:45.31 | SimAtWork | StucKman_: what is it, why is it crashing. |
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| 16:46.35 | StucKman_ | SimAtWork: KDED runs in the background and performs a number of small tasks. Some of these tasks are built in, others are started on demand. |
| 16:46.59 | StucKman_ | like creating the kioslaves and such. dunno why its crashing |
| 16:47.37 | SimAtWork | any way i can find out? |
| 16:47.55 | StucKman_ | SimAtWork: strace -ff kded |
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| 16:48.05 | StucKman_ | or with valgrind |
| 16:48.53 | SimAtWork | but if kded is running in the background how do i stop it and run it without creating a problem? |
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| 16:49.46 | StucKman_ | hmm; |
| 16:49.59 | StucKman_ | killall kded; strace -ff kded |
| 16:50.15 | StucKman_ | and pray it loads before it respawns |
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| 16:52.15 | SimAtWork | :( |
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| 16:56.25 | StucKman_ | SimAtWork: did that work? |
| 16:56.37 | StucKman_ | normally killall kded is enough |
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| 17:00.46 | lindenle | Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. ACPI was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not - you need to enable at least 'AC Adaptor' and 'Control Method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel. How do i fix this error in kde control center and what happened to the script that used to set this up? |
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| 17:01.49 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 17:01.56 | KomiaPoika | amarok in kde4 is friggin awesome |
| 17:02.01 | KomiaPoika | for the record |
| 17:02.06 | lindenle | agreed |
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| 17:05.06 | Half-Left | Ugh, Konqueror crashing on exit, used to do that alot in KDE3.x as well |
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| 17:05.44 | josef | hi guys. where can i find a list of dcop commands? i need the one to unlock the screen after locking it with blueproximity |
| 17:05.50 | angeL__ | hi all |
| 17:06.01 | josef | thats for kde3.5.9 btw |
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| 17:06.32 | marcus_ | Lo there. |
| 17:06.41 | marcus_ | I've been trying to compile KDE 4.1... |
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| 17:08.41 | marcus_ | but when I use cmake, it complains that it couldn't find the phonon libraries/includes. |
| 17:09.18 | pinotree | compile it from branches/phonon/4.2 |
| 17:09.22 | marcus_ | I've got the phonon libraries from the repositories (libphonon4) and can't seem to find any source packages for kde 4.1 phonon libraries... |
| 17:09.32 | marcus_ | OK, thanks. |
| 17:09.36 | josef | ah found it in kdcop :) nvm |
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| 17:09.46 | marcus_ | I need to get my head round SVN better... |
| 17:10.00 | g2g591 | marcus_: nah, its just an odd versioning quirk |
| 17:10.13 | g2g591 | phonon 4.2 for kde 4.1 ... |
| 17:10.20 | marcus_ | Heh. |
| 17:10.51 | g2g591 | yeah its strange but thats the requirement |
| 17:11.00 | marcus_ | So it's svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/phonon/4.2? |
| 17:11.10 | g2g591 | looks about right |
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| 17:12.01 | OculusAquilae | hi |
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| 17:12.51 | OculusAquilae | what about kdetalk.net? |
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| 17:13.12 | g2g591 | never heard of it |
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| 17:13.42 | OculusAquilae | g2g591: a jabber server, it's down |
| 17:13.49 | Conscience | there is a away of regesty the ips that coming in on my pc? |
| 17:13.53 | ordchar | can anybody point me to a decent tutorial on how to get k3b to write a 4gb file to a dvd disk? it keeps acting retarded even when i asked it to burn an iso i just mkisofs'ed |
| 17:14.20 | g2g591 | OculusAquilae: yea, its been down for a while (now i remember it) |
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| 17:15.11 | OculusAquilae | g2g591: do you know why? |
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| 17:16.45 | g2g591 | OculusAquilae: nope |
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| 17:18.21 | VB-DotNet | hello |
| 17:18.34 | VB-DotNet | please i am blind and i am looking for a screen reader for KDE |
| 17:18.45 | VB-DotNet | my OS is: Fedora COR |
| 17:20.04 | marcus_ | Erm... |
| 17:20.24 | marcus_ | Can't think of a reader engine off the top of my head. |
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| 17:21.00 | g2g591 | VB-DotNet: try kttsd , i don't have any experiance with it personally, but , its worth a try |
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| 17:22.33 | wstephenson | VB-DotNet: or try orca (the gnome thing) since they both use ATK it should no matter - and you don't care about what widget style is used, right? |
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| 17:22.48 | VB-DotNet | orca is working in grafical mode ? |
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| 17:24.20 | g2g591 | VB-DotNet: yes |
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| 17:25.10 | Qt | could anyone tell me how to config K's startup programs in system tray? |
| 17:26.54 | wstephenson | Qt: the system tray is not significant |
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| 17:27.13 | wstephenson | any program with a copy of its .desktop file in $PREFIX/share/autostart is started on login |
| 17:27.28 | onionman | plus any saved in your session, depending on your settings |
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| 17:27.34 | Qt | wstephenson:why not significant? |
| 17:27.42 | wstephenson | $PREFIX can be either the system directory kde is installed in or your ~/.kde |
| 17:28.07 | wstephenson | Qt: generally the autostarted programs are the type that only appear in the system tray |
| 17:28.15 | wstephenson | but you could autostart a konqueror the same way |
| 17:28.23 | wstephenson | onionman is also correct |
| 17:28.39 | VB-DotNet | Thanks |
| 17:29.20 | wstephenson | Qt: if you want to add a system tray icon to a program that doesn't have one, start it using "ksystraycmd" |
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| 17:30.31 | Qt | wstephenson:Oh, I see. but what if i wanna delete an autostart program, say KTorrent? |
| 17:31.15 | onionman | Qt: ktorrent is probably saved in your session; by default KDE saves all running apps to your session on logout |
| 17:31.42 | onionman | so, quitting it before logout would keep it from starting up the next time, or you can look in kcontrol for session management options |
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| 17:34.35 | wstephenson | Qt: perhaps interesting: http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html |
| 17:34.42 | Qt | onionman:I see it. it's in ~/.kde Thanks |
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| 17:41.59 | wastrel | hi how do i fix my right alt key so it works as an alt key? |
| 17:42.05 | wastrel | kde 4.0.4/ubuntu |
| 17:42.37 | Qt | onionman: wstephenson: KControl for session management would be more convenient :-) |
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| 17:43.06 | wstephenson | Qt: kde components->session manager |
| 17:43.31 | wstephenson | Qt: there is an autostart kcontrol module too floating around |
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| 17:45.49 | Qt | wstephenson: got it. thanks |
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| 17:46.24 | silfreed | I'm having problems w/ kmail and gpg in KDE 4.1; any others experiencing that? |
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| 17:47.04 | engineer | np |
| 17:47.06 | engineer | nop |
| 17:47.08 | silfreed | a "general error" connecting to the backend |
| 17:47.24 | sandsmark | which general? |
| 17:47.27 | sandsmark | =P |
| 17:47.38 | silfreed | heh. it would be helpful if I knew ;) |
| 17:47.39 | engineer | colin powell |
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| 18:02.00 | shadow_ | hi |
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| 18:02.38 | Daniell1 | i have a question: does KDE 4.1 ship with the new bytecode interperter from webkit? |
| 18:02.47 | rdale | no |
| 18:02.55 | shadow_ | dont know |
| 18:03.41 | Daniell1 | because of the lack of stability, not included in qt 4.4? |
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| 18:06.56 | Philantrop | Using the latest trunk, I'm starting konsole (which may or may not be the first instance of konsole running). In that new instance of konsole, I'd like to create a new tab programmatically (preferably using bash). I can do this using qdbus (e. g. qdbus org.kde.konsole /konsole/MainWindow_1 org.kde.KMainWindow.activateAction new-tab). The problem is getting the MainWindow part right - is there a way to programmatically determine which |
| 18:06.59 | Philantrop | instance I'm in or is there a better/easier way to accomplish it? |
| 18:07.09 | aseigo | Daniell1: no, because webkit in qt 4.4 predates these changes. |
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| 18:09.44 | _Poseidon_ | Hello |
| 18:10.32 | _Poseidon_ | Why most of the WYSIWYG javascript editors doesn't work on konqueror? |
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| 18:24.36 | isleshocky79 | I'm using KDE4. When I hit Alt-F2 it brings up the command-line/search. However, it doesn't find one of the programs which I use most. I was wondering where that index is generated from and how to get this program on it? |
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| 18:25.56 | ma3x | hello |
| 18:26.03 | ma3x | where can i change cd autostart options? |
| 18:26.10 | ma3x | or usbdisk autostart option? |
| 18:26.28 | ma3x | i've checked 'do not open' and saved that option, so it doesn't open anymore |
| 18:26.31 | ma3x | where can i change this? |
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| 18:27.14 | annma | isleshocky79: what prog isnot found? |
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| 18:30.01 | annma | isleshocky79: what prog is not found by krunner please? |
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| 18:43.24 | alediaferia | hello people! shouldn't be nice if KsCD would be a plasmoid ? |
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| 18:44.17 | annma | why? |
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| 18:44.30 | annma | isn't it already skinned? |
| 18:44.37 | alediaferia | uhm no |
| 18:44.37 | aseigo | alediaferia: a cd player plasmoid could be neat, yes... and turning kscd into a libplasma based app in 4.2 is probably doable / trivial ... |
| 18:44.51 | aseigo | annma: so people can put it wherever they want, i suppose. |
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| 18:45.21 | annma | is the new version in btw? |
| 18:45.22 | alediaferia | aseigo: sure, I'm using it these days and I thought it would be nice |
| 18:45.52 | annma | that reminds me that I need to try the now playing applet |
| 18:45.58 | annma | alediaferia: did you try it? |
| 18:46.12 | isleshocky79 | annma: Zend Studio for Eclipse |
| 18:46.15 | alediaferia | annma: do you mean KsCD? |
| 18:46.27 | alediaferia | annma: oh sorry |
| 18:46.28 | alediaferia | no |
| 18:46.32 | alediaferia | i didn't try |
| 18:46.34 | alediaferia | now playing |
| 18:46.49 | annma | isleshocky79: does it appear in Kickoff? |
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| 18:47.23 | alediaferia | aseigo: is kscd as plasmoid in your plan? |
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| 18:47.33 | isleshocky79 | annma: The "Start" type bar? Yes. Which is why I don't understand why it doesn't show up in the other one. |
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| 18:47.54 | rty | How to change for Ctrl+Esc (instead of Alt+F4) to close windows? |
| 18:48.04 | rty | ... I use kwin |
| 18:48.05 | aseigo | alediaferia: i haven't really considered it no |
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| 18:48.20 | aseigo | rty: in the keyboard shortcuts panel in system settings / kcontrol |
| 18:48.39 | Yarcanox | why is inline OpenPGP told to be deprecated in Kmail? |
| 18:48.41 | annma | isleshocky79: try running the Alt F2 command from terminla |
| 18:48.48 | rty | aseigo: I don't see keyboard shortcuts panel! |
| 18:48.57 | annma | isleshocky79: kquitapp krunner && krunner |
| 18:49.03 | annma | then type your command |
| 18:49.03 | aseigo | rty: what v of kde? |
| 18:49.11 | annma | then look at teh terminal output |
| 18:49.29 | rty | aseigo: 3.5.9 |
| 18:50.07 | aseigo | rty: ok, it's under the "Regional and Accessibility" group.. Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 18:50.14 | aseigo | points rty to the search bar in kcontrol while he's at it |
| 18:51.37 | annma | isleshocky79: did you try it? |
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| 18:53.14 | isleshocky79 | annma: i typed that in terminal and got command not foiund |
| 18:54.17 | annma | kquitapp krunner |
| 18:54.26 | annma | not found? |
| 18:54.32 | isleshocky79 | Yeah. |
| 18:54.35 | isleshocky79 | no kquitap |
| 18:54.40 | isleshocky79 | *kquiapp |
| 18:54.47 | sandsmark | when is the next snapshot due? =) |
| 18:55.16 | annma | I htink one was released yesterday |
| 18:55.22 | isleshocky79 | annma: Sorry for typeo's in chat. Yeah I tried kquitapp in Terminal and got nothing. |
| 18:56.03 | annma | isleshocky79: you're not in kde4 maybe |
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| 18:56.35 | isleshocky79 | annma: Not sure what you mean by that? I'm running KUbuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.0 |
| 18:57.14 | annma | maybe it did not exist |
| 18:57.26 | dwins | isleshocky79: what's 'nothing'? no result printed, or a "kquitapp not found" message? |
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| 18:57.37 | annma | aseigo: does krunner find the app with the .desktop file? |
| 18:58.01 | isleshocky79 | annma: "Command not found" |
| 18:58.06 | aseigo | annma: the services runner does, yes |
| 18:58.31 | annma | isleshocky79: does your prog has a valid .desktop file? |
| 18:58.38 | annma | has/have |
| 18:58.46 | annma | thanks aseigo |
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| 18:58.54 | isleshocky79 | annma: Not sure, where would the .desktop file be and what would be valid? |
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| 18:59.25 | annma | it would be installed with it and valid is to follow free desktop standards |
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| 19:00.10 | isleshocky79 | annma: Well like I said the KStart menu search finds it, but not the alt-f2 search. (I'm not sure what the name of the alt-f2 search is named besides for the command line) |
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| 19:02.31 | isleshocky79 | annma: There is a file /usr/local/Zend/ZendStudioForEclipse-6.0.0/zend-zendstudioeclipse.desktop which contains: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d488ae1b9 |
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| 19:02.49 | alediaferia | why is okular still not found when searching for it in kickoff while krunner finds it?? |
| 19:03.19 | isleshocky79 | alediaferia: Is kickoff the alt-f2 dialog? |
| 19:03.41 | alediaferia | isleshocky79: no, that is krunner :) |
| 19:03.47 | alediaferia | kickoff is the menu |
| 19:03.52 | alediaferia | with the big K |
| 19:04.44 | isleshocky79 | alediaferia: oh, ok. Yeah. I have the same results for Okular. I've been trying to figure out the names. But I have the opposite problem with Zend Studio for Eclipse. Kickoff's search finds it, but Krunner's search doesn't. |
| 19:04.52 | pinotree | isleshocky79: that path is far from standard |
| 19:05.17 | isleshocky79 | pinotree: It's where it installed it :-/ It came with a linux installer. |
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| 19:05.28 | isleshocky79 | pinotree: And the program works which was most important. |
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| 19:07.56 | alediaferia | but how can that happen? (i mean the okular-not-found issue) |
| 19:09.02 | isleshocky79 | alediaferia: I don't know apparently they're not using the same index... |
| 19:09.36 | alediaferia | uhm.. are there other apps with same issue? |
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| 19:11.51 | annma | alediaferia: is it in kickof that it is not found? |
| 19:12.01 | alediaferia | annma: yes |
| 19:12.39 | annma | pinotree: Exec=okular %i -caption "%c" instead of Exec=okular %i -caption "%c" fixes it |
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| 19:13.09 | annma | alediaferia: check it, remove the from the okular.desktop file |
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| 19:13.21 | annma | pinotree: Exec=okular %i -caption "%c" instead of Exec=okular %i -caption "%c" fixes it |
| 19:13.23 | annma | ah |
| 19:13.29 | annma | damn konvi |
| 19:13.37 | isleshocky79 | annma: pastebin? |
| 19:13.43 | annma | isn't it stupid, how can I disable this U |
| 19:14.00 | pinotree | space between % and U |
| 19:14.08 | isleshocky79 | annma: Could it be something similar for my Zend.desktop file? |
| 19:14.16 | isleshocky79 | annma: But for the reverse? |
| 19:14.38 | annma | isleshocky79: yes, I said it was the desktop file |
| 19:14.48 | alediaferia | annma: sorry, what shall i do with ? |
| 19:14.50 | annma | pinotree: Exec=okular %i -caption "%c" instead of Exec=okular % U %i -caption "%c" fixes it |
| 19:14.51 | alediaferia | argh |
| 19:15.01 | isleshocky79 | annma: Do you see anything wrong with it? http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d488ae1b9 |
| 19:15.09 | pinotree | annma: that's wrong, % U is needed |
| 19:15.11 | annma | alediaferia: remove the % U without t(no space on the file) |
| 19:15.18 | annma | what for pinotree? |
| 19:15.33 | annma | in anycase it prevents kickof to find it |
| 19:15.39 | pinotree | % U means that we support multiple urls (local & remove) at once |
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| 19:15.42 | annma | maybe put it at the end |
| 19:15.50 | pinotree | then it's a kickoff bug |
| 19:15.51 | annma | maybe it's kickof bug |
| 19:15.54 | annma | yes |
| 19:16.07 | alediaferia | annma: ok it worked! :) |
| 19:16.11 | annma | I wouldn't have removed it pinotree |
| 19:16.23 | annma | alediaferia: issue a kickoff bug for kickof then please |
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| 19:16.48 | alediaferia | ok :) |
| 19:16.54 | annma | telling that % U prevents kickoff search to find the file |
| 19:16.58 | isleshocky79 | alediaferia: What did you make that exec line? |
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| 19:17.12 | annma | he removed the % U isleshocky79 |
| 19:17.18 | isleshocky79 | annma: ok. |
| 19:17.22 | annma | OK one less!!! |
| 19:17.23 | alediaferia | but shouldn't be done :) |
| 19:17.24 | betzi | hi, i have kde 4.1 beta1 from opensuse repos and my plasma + xorg uses up to 80% cpu. desktop effects are disabled. Any idea? |
| 19:17.29 | annma | yeepeee |
| 19:17.48 | Kame2 | btw |
| 19:17.50 | annma | alediaferia: no, but we found the problem, that hal solves it |
| 19:17.56 | annma | hal/half |
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| 19:17.57 | Kame2 | %U <- write % % U |
| 19:18.04 | pinotree | betzi: be happy, at least 20% is still free |
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| 19:18.10 | annma | Kame2: cool |
| 19:18.16 | annma | %U |
| 19:18.20 | annma | yeah!!! |
| 19:18.22 | pinotree | was joking of course |
| 19:18.23 | Kame2 | ;) |
| 19:18.24 | isleshocky79 | alediaferia: Did you have to restart anything or reindex something? Mine is still not finding Okular without the % U |
| 19:18.41 | betzi | pinotree: :) yeah |
| 19:18.44 | annma | usually you will rerun kbuildsycoca4 |
| 19:18.48 | annma | isleshocky79: ^^ |
| 19:18.54 | j00bar | is dirk mueller around these parts? isn't his nick "dirk"? |
| 19:19.05 | annma | yes |
| 19:19.19 | j00bar | annma: was that for me? |
| 19:19.25 | annma | yes j00bar |
| 19:19.36 | j00bar | does he have usual hours? i'm not even sure what tz he's in... |
| 19:20.16 | isleshocky79 | annma: ok, that worked for me as well. Any insight on my problem? |
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| 19:21.05 | pinotree | j00bar: why are you looking for him (just curious)? |
| 19:21.15 | annma | isleshocky79: check the desktop file and hack around it |
| 19:21.19 | j00bar | i host bluemchen.kde.org -- it needs servicing and it'd be nice if he were around online to assist. |
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| 19:21.43 | pinotree | sysadmin@kde.org |
| 19:21.51 | isleshocky79 | I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like. And if I make a change to it, will running that same kbuild command work for KRunner as well? |
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| 19:22.09 | annma | isleshocky79: yes |
| 19:22.27 | Zero_Ident | Anyone help me w/kdevelop3? |
| 19:22.50 | annma | Zero_Ident: #kdevelop |
| 19:22.51 | pinotree | if you don't ask, nobody will |
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| 19:25.22 | annma | alediaferia: thanks! awesome |
| 19:26.31 | alediaferia | annma: np. pleased to help :) |
| 19:27.21 | annma | I'll confirm it if bugs.kde.org wants to open |
| 19:27.33 | alediaferia | annma: i'm having troubles too |
| 19:27.48 | alediaferia | annma: currently doesn't answer.. |
| 19:28.06 | annma | j00bar: servicing bugzilla? |
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| 19:29.12 | wstephenson | j00bar: did you get hold of dirk yet? |
| 19:29.35 | j00bar | annma: i have no idea what it does. i'm just a packet ninja. |
| 19:29.47 | j00bar | wstephenson: i replied to dirk via email and cc'ed sysadmin@kde.org |
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| 19:29.53 | annma | ah maybe you need to locate dirk asap |
| 19:30.01 | annma | good j00bar |
| 19:30.25 | Kame2 | if you middle-click on doplhin, it silently close. is that right? |
| 19:30.28 | wstephenson | j00bar: if it's an emergency i can get hold of him, but i guess it's not (yet) |
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| 19:31.22 | isleshocky79 | Now i know names I'm googling all over the place to figure out how to hookup my "meta key (windows key)" to the kickoff menu. Can't find anything anywhere. Anyone have advise for this? Using KDE4 |
| 19:31.31 | j00bar | wstephenson: basic summary -- the machine is unresponsive to both serial console and remote power toggle -- i have to drive 20 miles to go to a colocation facility to service it -- it'd be nice if there were dirk or another admin on IRC at the time |
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| 19:32.04 | wstephenson | j00bar: ok |
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| 19:32.26 | stefanstr | hi all |
| 19:34.45 | wstephenson | j00bar: i've given him a call |
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| 19:35.19 | wstephenson | lets see if he tips up her |
| 19:35.21 | wstephenson | e |
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| 19:35.39 | alediaferia | annma: now bugs.kde.org goes :) |
| 19:35.53 | wstephenson | j00bar: ^ |
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| 19:36.53 | dirk | wstephenson: thanks! |
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| 19:37.13 | wstephenson | dirk: i didn't have konold's number ;) |
| 19:37.19 | annma | yeah! |
| 19:37.26 | wstephenson | i hope you weren't doing anything nicer at the time |
| 19:37.37 | annma | ;) |
| 19:38.29 | annma | we should have a "sysadmin day" because it's hard work and KDE does not live of thin air but of bandwith |
| 19:39.42 | cb400f | annma: http://www.sysadminday.com/ |
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| 19:40.25 | annma | oh coool |
| 19:40.31 | annma | it exists |
| 19:40.53 | annma | I won't be around to blog about it but I hope someone else will |
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| 19:45.37 | annma | alediaferia: OK I ocnfirmed and voted |
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| 19:45.50 | annma | Okular is too important for it not been found |
| 19:46.24 | nedd1 | just install version 4 |
| 19:46.37 | nedd1 | funny thing about shortcuts |
| 19:47.02 | nedd1 | I cannot get the letter between j and l to appear when i press that _ey! |
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| 19:47.17 | nedd1 | a bit funny for a few seconds |
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| 19:48.20 | dirk | wstephenson: konold doesn't know about the server anyway ;) |
| 19:48.32 | dirk | wstephenson: eh, no, I was filing blockers for 11.0 |
| 19:48.56 | dirk | found a nice one.. opensuse updater talks about to configure the "backend-plugin", but the configure dialog only has "background" |
| 19:49.43 | alediaferia | annma: sure, i see :) |
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| 20:12.19 | Ralesk | if I'm using KDE3, kwin, kicker, kicker's taskbar appler, kopete -- what could have gone wrong if suddenly I my task bar entries don't get marked anymore? |
| 20:12.34 | Ralesk | (ok, kopete's notifications settings appear to be just fine) |
| 20:12.40 | jcolby | I am trying to compile kde 4.1 beta manually from SVN and I keep getting the following error: CMake Error: Phonon library or includes NOT found! Does anyone here have any ideas? |
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| 20:13.14 | |Frederik | phonon is a separate source AFAIK. Anyway, why go through the hassle if you can have very up to date RPM packages, updated very often, for free?:-) |
| 20:13.39 | aseigo | jcolby: you've built kdelibs i assume? |
| 20:14.01 | aseigo | jcolby: and pointed whatever module you're now building to the prefix it was installed into? |
| 20:14.23 | jcolby | I am getting that error trying to build kde-libs |
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| 20:15.56 | jcolby | |Frederik: my distro does not have a package for KDE 4.1 (gentoo) |
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| 20:16.54 | Philantrop | jcolby: That might be caused by the fact that it hasn't been released yet. :-) |
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| 20:18.26 | jcolby | Philantrop: yeah I know was just interested in testing it out....perhaps it is better to wait. Keep up the good work all!!!! |
| 20:18.49 | Philantrop | jcolby: You could try our live svn ebuilds. -> #genkdesvn |
| 20:20.17 | jcolby | Philantrop: does that still require an alternate package manager? |
| 20:20.32 | Philantrop | jcolby: It still requires a sane PM, yes. :-) |
| 20:20.43 | Kame2 | jcolby: just build and install kdesupport |
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| 20:22.21 | Kame2 | btw. phonen is in qt 4.4, right? so why do i have to build phonen from kdesupport? |
| 20:22.32 | alediaferia | jcolby: i use gentoo, there's an overlay for kde 4.1 |
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| 20:23.13 | alediaferia | jcolby: sorry, Philantrop already said that :P |
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| 20:35.26 | navetz_ | hey can someone help me with dualscreening with xrandr, I have a 22" widescreen "1680 * 1050" and my laptop which is "1200*800", is there a way to set them up to both work at the same time? |
| 20:35.50 | |Frederik | navetz_: add a Virtual line to your xorg.conf defining the total max size |
| 20:36.01 | |Frederik | and then use the xrand command line utility to activate the second monitor |
| 20:36.28 | |Frederik | See this documentation: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
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| 20:38.36 | navetz_ | |Frederik: how do I know what my total max size is>? |
| 20:39.34 | |Frederik | navetz_: add the resolutions of your both screens |
| 20:40.52 | navetz_ | |Frederik: I think I might have a limitation because of my video card, is there a way to find out what the max rez my video card supports is? |
| 20:40.58 | |Frederik | navetz_: in your case that would be Virtual 2880 1850 |
| 20:41.21 | |Frederik | the only limitation I know about is that dri could be disabled on some cards if size is too high |
| 20:41.33 | navetz_ | |Frederik: alright thanks, I will give it a shot |
| 20:41.50 | BondgirlSuse102 | i have a question, in school my video screen simethimes gives a strange sound & goes out & comes right back |
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| 20:43.30 | airer-girl | hi in the control panel, i see kde performance list an option called max number of instance kept preloaded, what does that mean? |
| 20:43.39 | airer-girl | and how does that work with shutdown? |
| 20:44.11 | |Frederik | airer-girl: that kde always will keep X konqueror instances in memory, even if konqueror is not running, in order to start it up faster |
| 20:44.39 | |Frederik | This is a per user setting, so as soon as you log out, the konqueror instances are removed from memory |
| 20:45.01 | airer-girl | oh |
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| 20:45.28 | Kame2 | so first konqueror starts quickly and the secons slowly? ^^ |
| 20:45.34 | Kame2 | *d |
| 20:45.39 | aliumalik | does anyone know how to get the search bar in konqueror in kde 4? |
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| 20:47.13 | BondgirlSuse102 | good questiong :) |
| 20:47.16 | BondgirlSuse102 | -g |
| 20:47.36 | |Frederik | not if you set it to preload two konqueror instances. :p And even if you don't, I guess the second one won't be too slow, because of disk caching and shared libraries which are already loaded etc... |
| 20:48.43 | pinotree | aliumalik: install it from trunk/extragear/base/konq-plugins |
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| 20:50.01 | pusling | how do I get konsole to not alert me (paint color different on title) in tabs where something is changing ? |
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| 20:50.24 | pinotree | there's nothing in the menus for that? |
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| 20:56.17 | pusling | pinotree: I didn't find it at least |
| 20:57.06 | navetz | hey, where can I go in kde to find the amount of ram my computer is using? |
| 20:57.58 | pusling | cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 20:58.09 | pinotree | kinfocenter |
| 20:58.24 | pinotree | hits pusling for the non-kde solution :P |
| 20:58.55 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.02 | pusling | after suggesting to nuke it in kde4 |
| 20:59.25 | pinotree | nah, in kde 4.1 is much nicer |
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| 21:00.00 | vinboy | hi |
| 21:00.02 | vinboy | how much does kde cost? |
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| 21:01.00 | pusling | vinboy: 10000000000000000000000000 |
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| 21:01.16 | vinboy | ok i got the pirated version of kde |
| 21:01.26 | dwins | vinboy: kde can be downloaded for free from kde.org |
| 21:01.28 | vinboy | maybe i should keep it |
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| 21:01.41 | pusling | vinboy: yeah. better do that. they are quite rare |
| 21:01.42 | vinboy | dwins: anyone offer commercial support? |
| 21:02.10 | dwins | i have never looked into it, I imagine so |
| 21:02.25 | vinboy | i plan to run linux on the pcs in our new store |
| 21:02.32 | pusling | maybe novell does? and probably your local linux consulting company. |
| 21:02.37 | vinboy | i hope they wont crash, otherwise it will mean we lose businesses |
| 21:02.42 | pusling | and maybe swedish kdab can be tricked into that ? |
| 21:02.54 | vinboy | what is swedish kdab |
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| 21:03.28 | pusling | .com|.net|.org I think |
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| 21:03.54 | pusling | vinboy: but where are you located ? |
| 21:04.22 | vinboy | i'm living in new zealand now |
| 21:04.28 | vinboy | but the new store will be in Malaysia |
| 21:04.52 | vinboy | not in the capital city... so I doubt there will be any professional linux consulting |
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| 21:06.41 | sandsmark | vinboy: you probably want support for the linux distributio you choose, and not kde specifically |
| 21:06.59 | vinboy | sandsmark: yea i was looking into that |
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| 21:08.34 | downs | hi |
| 21:08.44 | downs | whoever is the god damn brilliant person responsible for kdenlive |
| 21:08.45 | downs | THANK YOU. |
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| 21:10.11 | sandsmark | http://foss.org.my/about-foss/commercial |
| 21:11.08 | tinin | downs is kdenlive yet win qt4? |
| 21:11.14 | tinin | *in |
| 21:11.41 | tinin | out |
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| 21:13.12 | weaseal | hello, can anyone tell me how they did that ---> http://kdemod.ath.cx/screenshots.html (the iconbar at the bottom, i want to make on too, but can't figure it out) |
| 21:13.38 | weaseal | the one in the last 6 pictures on that page |
| 21:14.25 | Phlogi | do you have such problem aswell? http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/139/fonts1rd2.png |
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| 21:15.59 | adz21c | Phlogi: i get that a lot in umbrello |
| 21:16.13 | Phlogi | kde4? |
| 21:16.16 | adz21c | yea |
| 21:16.20 | Phlogi | I get it in different kde apps aswell |
| 21:16.23 | adz21c | if ur talking about the text getting cut off |
| 21:16.27 | Phlogi | we should file a bug |
| 21:16.28 | Phlogi | jap |
| 21:16.30 | Phlogi | I am |
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| 21:18.01 | weaseal | is there a primary/official place to download kde4 widgets? |
| 21:18.24 | adz21c | weaseal: kde-look or kde-apps i think, one of the two has them ... if u mean plasmoids |
| 21:18.41 | Kame2 | kde-look.org ;) |
| 21:18.55 | weaseal | i guess. i duno. i go to add widgets in kde4 and there is an option to download from internet, but when i clcik, nothing happens |
| 21:19.09 | adz21c | weaseal: then yes, kde-look select plasmoids |
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| 21:19.20 | weaseal | ok thanks |
| 21:20.48 | funkyou | weaseal: http://www.kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?pid=4290#p4290 |
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| 21:21.13 | weaseal | thanks funky |
| 21:22.10 | weaseal | and one more newb question... how do i re-arrange the widgets on the toolbar.. i can't figure out how to re-order them |
| 21:22.47 | lindenle | does the spell checker hit the subject line too? |
| 21:23.30 | weaseal | like if i want to move the clock from the left to the right...? how does one achieve that |
| 21:25.19 | Kame2 | weaseal: isn't implemented yet. you have do remove it, open the 'add widget' dialog and drag'n'drop it where you want it |
| 21:25.30 | Kame2 | *t |
| 21:25.41 | weaseal | oh... |
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| 21:26.16 | weaseal | so i guess resizing is out too then? |
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| 21:26.36 | dwins | it will resize to fit the panel |
| 21:26.37 | Kame2 | resizing for the panel? |
| 21:26.48 | weaseal | like stretch out the taskbar/shrink it |
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| 21:26.55 | dwins | which should be resizable through the GUI as of 4.0.3 iirc |
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| 21:31.58 | sahaqiel__ | Does anyone know if it's possible to configure the effect that middle mouse button has on a konqueror tab? I'm trying to find that option, but no luck so far. |
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| 21:35.02 | Dirhael | sahaqiel__: Well, I don't know of many different tweaks, but if what you're looking for is to be able to close tabs on middle-click then you do it as follows: kwriteconfig --file konquerorrc --group "FMSettings" --key MouseMiddleClickClosesTab --type bool true |
| 21:36.11 | Dirhael | I think you'll find a few other options in the "web behavior" tab in the konqueror settings as well. |
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| 21:36.35 | sahaqiel__ | Dirhael, yeah i looked there, but that only applies in the browser area, not the tabs |
| 21:37.31 | sahaqiel__ | thanks for the information regarding that command |
| 21:38.18 | Dirhael | np :) There are several other nice tweaks on the following wiki page: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration |
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| 21:39.37 | sahaqiel__ | Dirhael, but button line is , you can't change that configuration through konq gui, right? |
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| 21:41.11 | Dirhael | No, not really...at least not in KDE3.x. How the situation is in 4 I don't know as I haven't migrated yet. |
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| 21:42.44 | sahaqiel__ | I see. I was just triaging a bug. I will add that command to the comments, and see if it works for him. If it does it can be closed |
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| 21:46.06 | sahaqiel__ | thanks |
| 21:46.38 | navetz | does anyone know how to find out what the max virtual resolution you video card will support with xrandr? |
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| 21:53.11 | dirk | navetz: its configurable in xorg.conf |
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| 21:53.35 | dirk | navetz: keyword "virtual" in screen/subsection display |
| 21:53.44 | navetz | dirk: I think my video card wont support a certain resolution |
| 21:53.57 | navetz | dirk: virtual resolution that is |
| 21:54.30 | navetz | dirk: it works when I use a virtual resolution of 1280 800 |
| 21:54.31 | dirk | yep, the maximum virtual (joined) resolution is xrandr | head -n 1 and it is configurable in xorg.conf |
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| 21:55.29 | pinotree | (ooh dirk in #kde..) |
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| 21:57.16 | sputnick | hi guys |
| 21:57.19 | sputnick | anybody knows how run a devilspie rule on a title of a window from kde ? ( -T title ) |
| 21:58.21 | pinotree | ? |
| 21:59.47 | lemma | sputnick: doesn't that work out-of-the-box? |
| 22:00.12 | lemma | sputnick: apart from that you could probably do the same using kwin rules |
| 22:00.50 | sputnick | nope : http://pastebin.com/d5ef5b73 output : |
| 22:00.50 | sputnick | matches expects two string arguments |
| 22:00.50 | sputnick | is expects two string arguments |
| 22:01.16 | debignu | Hi all |
| 22:01.22 | debignu | can you help me to install the raptormenu? |
| 22:04.07 | sputnick | I try with "konsole -T title" |
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| 22:07.10 | aaroedk | I used to have a samba configuration feature in my KControl but it seems to have vanished. Is it simply not a part of KControl anymore? |
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| 22:09.53 | knusperfrosch | hi! |
| 22:10.29 | knusperfrosch | anyone with 3.5.9 round and a local ftp server? please try to reproduce that bug: |
| 22:10.31 | knusperfrosch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:11.02 | knusperfrosch | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161240 |
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| 22:12.42 | Phlogi | knusperfrosch: I could reproduce it... it really exists! |
| 22:13.29 | knusperfrosch | Phlogi: ok, sry, didn't reload :) |
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| 22:32.28 | Half-Left | debignu, It's broken atm |
| 22:32.49 | Walzmyn | Is there a way to turn reminders off on a remote calender in Kontact? |
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| 22:36.06 | debignu | Half-Left: ok > http://paste.debian.net/5262/ |
| 22:36.49 | Half-Left | debignu, even if you get it compiled it wont work |
| 22:37.09 | debignu | ok :( |
| 22:37.13 | pusling | a/win 25 |
| 22:37.14 | debignu | thanks |
| 22:37.24 | Half-Left | you your xcomposite dev package anyway |
| 22:37.36 | Half-Left | need* |
| 22:39.58 | debignu | already installed |
| 22:40.21 | Half-Left | debignu, Be awhile before it's properly working, there still working on the plugin stuff and what to do with it, dont think it will make it my 4.1 but 4.2 for sure |
| 22:41.10 | debignu | ok i wait :) |
| 22:41.32 | Half-Left | me to :) |
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| 22:52.30 | debignu | Half-Left: just a shadow > http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1212619872.png |
| 22:52.30 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 22:53.02 | weaseal | hey kde4 crashed and i lost my 'desktop folder'. how do i remake that? |
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| 22:54.42 | vinboy | hi |
| 22:54.50 | debignu | mkdir Desktop ? |
| 22:55.09 | vinboy | any good network monitoring tool? (i want to see how many data is sent out and in in realtime) |
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| 22:55.45 | weaseal | debignu, you misunderstand. it was a folder that was part of the desktop taht showed the ~/Desktop folder... |
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| 22:58.31 | Half-Left | weaseal, Just that the widget again |
| 22:59.32 | Half-Left | Add* |
| 23:00.34 | weaseal | what widet is it? |
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| 23:01.06 | sandsmark | vinboy: iftop |
| 23:01.18 | sandsmark | and there's a kicker/plasma-thingy too |
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| 23:03.05 | vinboy | thanks |
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| 23:03.29 | Half-Left | weaseal, Folder View |
| 23:03.48 | weaseal | thanks |
| 23:04.04 | veilig | i accidentally removed the default calendar from my system tray box in my panel. I've looked high and low and cannot find that calendar anywhere, how do I get it back? |
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| 23:07.31 | weaseal | is there a kcontrol in kde4? |
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| 23:08.14 | debignu | go to bed, Bye |
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| 23:23.28 | kdepepo | Application for application I am switching to KDE 4. Today it was KTorrent's turn :) |
| 23:24.13 | kdepepo | Switch is considered complete when I can delete qt3 package ;) |
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| 23:26.03 | stefanstr | kdepepo: not gonna happen to fast |
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| 23:27.43 | kdepepo | stefanstr, I simulated it by marking qt3 for deletion, and watched what dependencies would go with it. Probably the last major showstopper is missing Konversation. |
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| 23:28.33 | kdepepo | Anything else has a Qt4 replacement, if I remember correctly. |
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