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| 00:03.11 | manuel_ | sorry sabayon |
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| 00:03.57 | js0n | are there any grp packages on the livecd? |
| 00:04.05 | js0n | or just compiled binaries |
| 00:04.16 | pinotree | which livecd? |
| 00:04.25 | js0n | 2007.0 |
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| 00:04.32 | pinotree | ? |
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| 00:04.37 | js0n | oh sorry wrong channel |
| 00:04.42 | js0n | i thought i was in gentoo |
| 00:05.00 | js0n | i thought something was weird when you replied |
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| 00:17.15 | backtick | nvm my question, used the mbox format |
| 00:17.43 | backtick | would be nice if kmail directly supported email export |
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| 00:31.58 | rr_box | talk'n bout kmail how do i get message to show images sent ? |
| 00:32.31 | maazu | rr_box: please be more explicit |
| 00:32.49 | rr_box | like a picture in a message |
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| 00:33.24 | maazu | rr_box: do you receive those emails? |
| 00:33.43 | rr_box | yep |
| 00:33.59 | maazu | rr_box: lots of them daily!? |
| 00:34.18 | rr_box | this is what shows up instead > [image: Photo] |
| 00:34.29 | rr_box | friends and such |
| 00:34.48 | maazu | rr_box: could be the spam filtering thing messing around |
| 00:34.58 | maazu | rr_box: or you internet connection is down |
| 00:35.19 | maazu | rr_box: in which you see an empty bounding box |
| 00:35.24 | rr_box | hmm, connection is fine, filtering might be it |
| 00:35.36 | jrick | is there a way that I can make Kmail with the system tray icon only show the unread message count from specific folders (like the inbox only)? |
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| 00:36.18 | maazu | jrick: that would be a nice feature! |
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| 00:37.12 | jrick | should I submit a bug report (wish) for it then, or ask them in #kontact ? |
| 00:37.52 | maazu | jrick: up to you |
| 00:38.07 | rr_box | well by default kontact/kmail disables all html, and thus pics |
| 00:38.31 | nordle | Ok, I've gone backwards, I can compile kdelibs-3.5.7, but not 3.5.8 or 3.5.9. Both error saying cant find libqt-mt. Has no-one else had this issue? |
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| 00:41.24 | jrick | momesana: hey, I heard you were developing a WebKit browser for KDE. How's it going? |
| 00:42.27 | momesana | hi jrick |
| 00:42.36 | momesana | well, actually it was written in pure qt |
| 00:42.49 | jrick | ah, ok |
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| 00:42.55 | momesana | jrick: but my plan was to port it to kde as soon as KDE becomes stable |
| 00:43.00 | momesana | KDE-4.0 |
| 00:43.45 | maazu | momesana: i have 4.0.1 installed and i get segfault windows during start up and logouts |
| 00:44.17 | maazu | momesana: you know when KDE plays the start up "music", yeah, the segfault window pops up |
| 00:44.45 | momesana | maazu: well KDE-4.0.1 is not very stable yet. |
| 00:44.59 | rr_box | maazu: ok, found it in /setting/configure kmail/security/ and checking prefer html to plain text |
| 00:45.02 | maazu | momesana: well noted, thanks |
| 00:45.25 | maazu | rr_box: thank you, will change settings later |
| 00:45.28 | maazu | bye all |
| 00:45.28 | momesana | maazu: Most people should wait until kde-4.1 is released. By that time it will be more usable for ordinary users |
| 00:45.39 | maazu | ok, i gotta go |
| 00:46.27 | jrick | momesana: any place where I can get the source? I'd love to try and run it a bit :) |
| 00:46.32 | momesana | jrick: where did you learn about the browser? |
| 00:46.55 | jrick | uhm... I heard about it on one of these KHTML vs WebKit flame wars |
| 00:47.08 | momesana | jrick: actually it is not really usable. I've rewritten it so any cool features are gone and it is in it's infancy |
| 00:47.35 | jrick | ok |
| 00:47.56 | pinotree | momesana: not for complain, but what's the point of it? |
| 00:47.56 | momesana | jrick: let me see if it compiles at all with the beta release of qt. Then I'll give you a tarball |
| 00:48.12 | momesana | pinotree: the point of what? the browser? |
| 00:48.16 | jrick | momesana: ok, thanks! :) |
| 00:48.21 | pinotree | after all, just provide a kpart for webkit, and you can integrate it within konqueror |
| 00:48.39 | pinotree | (that is what is currently being (slowly) worked on) |
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| 00:49.16 | backtick | jrick: qt 4.4 has a very cool "demo" browser based on webkit |
| 00:49.31 | jrick | backtick: yes, I know :) |
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| 00:49.42 | momesana | pinotree: well, konqueror is not my favourite browser. It lacks some features that I would like to have. And I did start the project because it's fun. i don't want to create the next mainstream browser |
| 00:50.00 | pinotree | momesana: then contribute to konqueror |
| 00:50.30 | pinotree | but oh well, the time is yours, do whatever you like |
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| 00:50.38 | g2g591 | i wish gentoo's qt 4.4 ebuilds were ready , but i have to use a hackish ebuild from a forum thread for now (as I run kde trunk) |
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| 00:54.02 | pinotree | momesana: some months ago, a guy wanted to implement the tab undo feature for konqueror, like opera |
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| 00:54.31 | momesana_ | sorry. got disconnected |
| 00:55.04 | pinotree | <pinotree> momesana: then contribute to konqueror |
| 00:55.07 | pinotree | <pinotree> but oh well, the time is yours, do whatever you like |
| 00:55.13 | pinotree | momesana: some months ago, a guy wanted to implement the tab undo feature for konqueror, like opera |
| 00:55.28 | momesana | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.41 | pinotree | and two months ago, after weeks of work and talk with the konqueror guys, he finished the feature |
| 00:55.56 | pinotree | and so we have the undo feature for tabs in konqueror 4.0, now |
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| 00:56.09 | momesana | I've implemented a very simple undo feature for my browser within a few minutes. maybe because I know the code better |
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| 00:56.29 | pinotree | momesana: just like you learnt Qt, you can learn the kdelibs |
| 00:56.45 | pinotree | and, there's a *community* of kde (and konqueror) developers |
| 00:57.22 | momesana | pinotree: You are right. And I personally perferr kde to qt. Because it integrates very will with the rest of the desktop and after all we are all kde users. |
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| 00:59.16 | pinotree | momesana: in case you would join the kde/konqueror developer crowd, https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kfm-devel |
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| 01:00.47 | momesana | thanks pinotree. I suscribed to it |
| 01:01.03 | pinotree | =) |
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| 01:06.57 | backtick | i read a few chapters of "the book of qt 4" and some tutorials on techbase on app development, based on that, i think building an application is different using the pure q4 vs kde approach, but then again i never built one from scratch, only inspected small parts of apps i want to poke |
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| 01:09.58 | storm-ze1 | guarddog seems to create a huge amount of rules that make it difficult to see what it's supposed to be doing. Are all these rules necessary? I'm trying to get samba working, and it's really making things tough. What's worse, I have specifically enabled UDP traffic of a certain port, that is continually being dropped, even though it is ticked in all the zones that I have defined. |
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| 01:11.26 | glontu | hello |
| 01:11.45 | glontu | is there a client for windows that will let me connect to my KDE remote desktop ? |
| 01:12.36 | glontu | i am runing krfb/KDE4 on my sharing system |
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| 01:22.35 | cbr | what does the kde4 logout dialog use to hibernate? |
| 01:22.40 | cbr | what does it call? |
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| 01:28.57 | aseigo | cbr: whatever the OS provides. |
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| 01:32.01 | cbr | aseigo: can it be configured somewhere? |
| 01:32.15 | aseigo | not really |
| 01:32.28 | aseigo | essentially the OS provides hibernation, kdm calls it, voila |
| 01:32.41 | aseigo | unfortunately on most free OS's hibernate is horribly broken for most system |
| 01:32.41 | aseigo | as |
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| 01:35.53 | cbr | i just tried s2disk and it worked out of the blue |
| 01:36.11 | cbr | so i'm a bit excited :p |
| 01:36.26 | cbr | because the boot was faster than usual |
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| 01:46.56 | martins | it's "secure" use kde4 now? |
| 01:46.57 | martins | :p |
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| 02:14.53 | storm-ze1 | anyone know how I can get kfirewall? |
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| 02:17.30 | jrick | storm-ze1: i don't know, but I found http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Firewall+Builder?content=14791 and http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMyFirewall?content=10073 on kde-apps.org |
| 02:18.18 | jrick | hope those help |
| 02:19.08 | storm-ze1 | ok. I'll check those out. Thanks. :) |
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| 02:30.22 | memunkey | morning all |
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| 02:31.13 | memunkey | hey, I am having some issues building kdepimlibs for kde4.0.1 on 64-bit Linux (Slamd64 is the distro) |
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| 03:25.09 | Nyle | does kde have a WYSISYG website maker? |
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| 03:28.29 | nevyn | Nyle: what's WYSISYG? |
| 03:28.55 | Nyle | what you see is what you get |
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| 03:30.25 | nevyn | Nyle: nope that's WYSIWYG |
| 03:30.38 | Nyle | what did I say? |
| 03:30.54 | nevyn | and there's kword which generates ok html |
| 03:31.05 | Nyle | oh I see |
| 03:31.12 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 03:32.48 | Ralesk | Nyle: try quanta |
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| 03:33.45 | Nyle | I use it |
| 03:33.56 | Nyle | I like bluefish more, but I hate gtk |
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| 03:37.36 | Ralesk | ah |
| 03:38.00 | Ralesk | well I usually code HTML by hand if and when I have to, so I'm not well versed in these things really :) |
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| 03:41.17 | memunkey | Nyle, try eclipse |
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| 03:47.04 | martijn81 | does konqeuror has a plugin for mouse gestures? |
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| 04:00.50 | rr_box | Unknown device: x11 |
| 04:00.50 | rr_box | Unrecoverable error: undefined in .uninstallpagedevice |
| 04:00.50 | rr_box | Operand stack: |
| 04:00.50 | rr_box | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.11 | rr_box | any advice on that, kpdf result |
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| 04:14.48 | felipe_ | Is there any way to set the background color of an active task in the taskbar (in KDE) different from the other tasks? as opposed to just making the letters of the task's name bold with a different color |
| 04:18.20 | martijn81 | dunno |
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| 04:57.10 | eckos | im using kde-4.0.1, and somehow when i changed my theme, it screwed up my start menu, its stretched out wide and won't go back to normal, how can i make it go back to normal? |
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| 05:11.49 | eckos | anyone? |
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| 05:35.54 | momesana | eckos, what about restarting kde. maybe the issue goes away this way |
| 05:36.39 | eckos | well i can't right now now because im in the middle of installing firefox |
| 05:36.41 | eckos | :( |
| 05:37.00 | momesana | eckos: kickoff (the startmenu) seems to have trouble adjusting its size after being launched. restarting helps in this case |
| 05:37.15 | eckos | oh okay thanks |
| 05:37.17 | momesana | eckos: hm. are you compiling it? |
| 05:37.33 | eckos | i can't wait til 4.1.0 |
| 05:37.49 | momesana | eckos: installing firefox shouldn't take much time unless you are compiling it. :). |
| 05:37.57 | eckos | im on gentoo |
| 05:38.01 | eckos | :> |
| 05:38.13 | momesana | eckos: yes, kde-4.1.0 will be better. I am using gentoo too. |
| 05:38.37 | momesana | eckos: emerge --update takes ages :-< |
| 05:38.38 | eckos | its a little slow for me |
| 05:38.51 | eckos | not if u keep it up to date everyday |
| 05:38.54 | e-rod | leave |
| 05:39.02 | eckos | ? |
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| 05:39.20 | momesana | eckos: The trick is to update once in two-tree months. That will be better than syncing/updating on a daily basis |
| 05:39.48 | eckos | thats where it takes weeks to compile :P |
| 05:39.54 | eckos | and update |
| 05:40.30 | momesana | eckos: well, it takes a whole day to compile :-D. I go to bed and when I wake up, either the system is up to date or I have to fix an error :-D |
| 05:40.45 | NeoOokami | I have much love for Gentoo, but portage's speed is one of the reasons I'm not using it anymore. |
| 05:41.05 | NeoOokami | (And not just compiling. It's pretty slow to update the tree and searching is horrid without eix..) |
| 05:41.11 | eckos | NeoOokami, you learn to deal with it |
| 05:41.18 | momesana | NeoOokami: It's because the stuff is written in python :( |
| 05:41.28 | eckos | i use eix, i don't bother searching with portage anymore |
| 05:41.46 | eckos | isn't eix in python too? |
| 05:41.46 | NeoOokami | Yeah. I was just using gentoo-portage for a while when I needed to look up something. |
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| 05:42.24 | momesana | NeoOokami: syncing takes more and more time. If one deletes the /usr/portage directory and issues an emerge --sync, it will become faster again. I don't know why this is so but it is |
| 05:42.25 | NeoOokami | Not sure. Though I thought eix was faster because it kept it's own database. |
| 05:43.29 | insane^ | use reiser without journaling, or ext2 with little indes |
| 05:43.30 | insane^ | inodes |
| 05:43.34 | momesana | NeoOokami: I always used http://packages.gentoo.org for looking up something |
| 05:43.37 | insane^ | noatime, nodiratime |
| 05:43.47 | insane^ | and you will feel the force... |
| 05:43.51 | NeoOokami | momesana: I fell out of habit using that when it was down for a couple months. |
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| 05:44.35 | momesana | insane^: but journaling is the point of using reiser in the first place ;) |
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| 05:44.50 | insane^ | portage tree can be rebuild anytime |
| 05:44.55 | insane^ | no need to use journaling |
| 05:45.01 | insane^ | absolutly obsolete |
| 05:45.30 | momesana | insane^: yes, but it's not only the portage tree that is on my harddisk but also the rest of the filesystem ;) |
| 05:45.45 | insane^ | use one little containerfile for it |
| 05:46.01 | NeoOokami | I ended up switching over to arch for now. Has a lot I like in gentoo, without the parts that couple bug me at times. |
| 05:46.06 | momesana | insane^: hm. Never heard of container files. can you elaborate on that? |
| 05:46.14 | insane^ | dd if=/dev/null of=/bla/foo.img; mkfs.ext2 -f /bla/foo.img; mount /bla/foo.img /var/portage |
| 05:46.15 | insane^ | done |
| 05:46.21 | insane^ | errm |
| 05:46.28 | insane^ | you should complete the dd call |
| 05:46.33 | insane^ | with counts and bsize |
| 05:46.44 | eckos | what i don't understand is how someone can use ubuntu |
| 05:46.57 | insane^ | why not |
| 05:47.03 | eckos | its horrible |
| 05:47.05 | NeoOokami | Ubuntu's easy. |
| 05:47.06 | insane^ | debian, packages more bleeding |
| 05:47.09 | momesana | insane^: I have done creating swapfiles this way but didn't know this can also be applied to normal filesystems |
| 05:47.10 | insane^ | thats it |
| 05:47.14 | insane^ | but badly hyped |
| 05:47.22 | insane^ | momesana can be |
| 05:47.23 | eckos | you want bleeding use gentoo's overlays |
| 05:47.34 | insane^ | i have to work... not to wait |
| 05:47.39 | insane^ | for emerge something |
| 05:47.42 | insane^ | 10 times |
| 05:47.44 | NeoOokami | I mean I love Gentoo, but if I want a decent desktop right away, I can get it in no time with Ubuntu. |
| 05:47.50 | insane^ | becouse of 1 useflag which was missing |
| 05:48.01 | eckos | gcc-4.3.0r1 is in the overlays, not in debian |
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| 05:48.13 | insane^ | gentooo is ok for playground |
| 05:48.16 | insane^ | but nothing more... |
| 05:48.24 | eckos | its faster |
| 05:48.33 | insane^ | yeh, compile your stuff with that release candite |
| 05:48.37 | insane^ | i stay with 4.x |
| 05:48.42 | eckos | because its designer for ur processor, ubuntu's not |
| 05:48.43 | insane^ | and get stable results |
| 05:48.46 | insane^ | aha |
| 05:49.06 | insane^ | you sound like someone who is using watercooling, oc ram and playin cstrike eh? |
| 05:49.11 | eckos | i break ubuntu faster than gentoo :P |
| 05:49.17 | NeoOokami | It's faster, but the difference is rather negligible. And you can always compile apps you explicitly need the speed boost in yourself. |
| 05:49.18 | eckos | no |
| 05:49.24 | insane^ | for sure u break gentoo as fast as ubuntu |
| 05:49.29 | insane^ | as fast as every dist |
| 05:49.31 | eckos | athlon xp with 1.5gb with a 5 year old mobo |
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| 05:49.43 | insane^ | ... i hate discusisions like this |
| 05:49.46 | insane^ | over and out |
| 05:49.47 | insane^ | obsolete |
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| 05:50.00 | eckos | im getting a newer computer soon |
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| 05:50.42 | eckos | Intel C2D t7500 2.0GHz 512 8700M GT, 3GB RAM 1680x1050, 320GB HDD |
| 05:51.02 | eckos | oops had cxaps on xD |
| 05:51.06 | eckos | caps* |
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| 06:05.04 | mfwitten | Hello. I've just got KDE 3.5 installed, and man is it fast! Anyway, i've been trying to enable actions in Control Center > Regional & Accessibility > Input Actions, but I've had no luck. There is no help documentation available and un-disabling groups and kHotKeys doesn't seem to help. How do I use this feature? Thanks. |
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| 06:09.16 | mfwitten | Also, why do gtk apps look like crud? |
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| 06:11.59 | mfwitten | Oh well, I'll get it figured out. |
| 06:12.04 | mfwitten | Thanks |
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| 06:13.12 | gneek | Is there any way I can get rid of my one and only kicker panel? |
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| 06:13.52 | eckos | ut oh i accidently delete .kde and .kde4.0 now it won't symlink anymore |
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| 06:15.19 | momesana | gneek: kicker is your friend, why do you want to kick it out of your desktop? ;) |
| 06:16.03 | gneek | Um...I'm just trying out KSmoothDock |
| 06:16.09 | eckos | okay i got it |
| 06:16.55 | momesana | gneek: a very simple way is to use ... :-D killall kicker |
| 06:17.16 | gneek | what the hell? this app is being a buggy piece of crap. back to kicker :P |
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| 06:37.22 | mfwitten | Hello (again). I can't get the compositor working in KDE 3.5; Xorg logs say the COMPOSITE extension is indeed loaded and I have direct rendering. Perhaps KDE (kwin?) isn't configured properly? |
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| 06:38.30 | mfwitten | Is there anyway I can view some kind of error output from kwin? The Control Center allows me to turn on things like transparency and shadows, but the controls have no effect; it seems to fail gracefully, albeit without any kind of warning. |
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| 06:47.56 | mfwitten | C'mon, surely someone in here has had trouble getting the compositor working and then got it working.... SO, could it be that kwin was not configured properly? (I installed kde-meta with gentoo) |
| 06:48.52 | mfwitten | How can I find out how kwin was configured? |
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| 06:52.40 | mfwitten | Hello.... Are you all bots? Could someone just say Shutup to me at least? |
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| 06:54.05 | jamesrdorn | mfwitten, Shutup |
| 06:54.13 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: I don't know about everyone else, but it's 7am on a Sunday morning here, so you're unlikely to get an intelligible response about in-depth technical questions ;) |
| 06:54.36 | jamesrdorn | 12:54am CST here |
| 06:55.15 | mfwitten | Aren't a lot of KDE people from Germany? |
| 06:55.25 | mfwitten | ah |
| 06:55.32 | mfwitten | well, I guess still early there too |
| 06:56.55 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: I didn't really think that this was an in-depth technical question. |
| 06:57.06 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: For 7am it is. |
| 06:57.25 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Do you have the compositor working? |
| 06:57.49 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: No - KDE3's compositor didn't really do very much, so I didn't bother. |
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| 06:58.10 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Maybe so |
| 06:58.58 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Maybe you can help me with this then: GTK apps look like junk when I run KDE. How can I fix this? They look great in XFCE, so do I need to specify some kind of theme or something? |
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| 07:00.27 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: KControl -> Appearance and Themes -> GTK Styles -> Use my KDE style in GTK generally achieves good results. |
| 07:01.05 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Thanks! |
| 07:01.11 | SSJ_GZ | np :) |
| 07:03.30 | momesana | mfwritten: Wir schlafen alle noch ;) |
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| 07:05.40 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Hmmm.... There's no such GTK Styles, and there is nothing in Theme Manager regarding this. |
| 07:05.53 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Is there some kind of plugin I need? |
| 07:05.57 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: What distro are you using? |
| 07:06.08 | mfwitten | Gentoo; I installed the kde-meta ebuild |
| 07:06.14 | momesana | mfwitten: There is something in the portage tree ... let me see if I can find it |
| 07:06.23 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: I don't know; if so, it's all pre-installed in Kubuntu. |
| 07:06.30 | mfwitten | momesana: thanks |
| 07:06.46 | momesana | mfwitten: try out x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt |
| 07:06.56 | momesana | emerge x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt |
| 07:07.00 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Yeah, I imagine! Can you see if compositing works in Kubuntu for you? |
| 07:07.03 | thechris | mfwitten: and kgtk for firefox while your at it |
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| 07:07.59 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: Where is the compositing setting? |
| 07:08.03 | mfwitten | momesana: You have any idea why I can't get kwin do do compositing? I can get compiz running just fine right now. My guess: no other ebuild but kdebase understand the xcomposite USE flag. Any ideas? |
| 07:08.14 | mfwitten | momesana: Thanks for the GTK help |
| 07:08.49 | momesana | mfwitten: hm. I can get it running and I am also running gentoo |
| 07:09.08 | mfwitten | momesana: How did you install it? With which ebuild? |
| 07:09.19 | momesana | mfwitten: but the compositing stuff under Kde is crap anyway. I hope KDE4 will be better in this regard |
| 07:09.23 | mfwitten | momesana: You'll notice that nothing but kdebase has an xcomposite use flag |
| 07:09.28 | momesana | mfwitten: I used the split ebuilds |
| 07:09.46 | mfwitten | momesana: Interesting. Oh well. Everyone says it's crap, so I'll stick with compize ;-) |
| 07:09.53 | SSJ_GZ | mfwitten: Doesn't appear to work here. |
| 07:09.56 | momesana | mfwitten: did you compile the xserver with the aiglx flag? |
| 07:10.05 | mfwitten | SSJ_GZ: Intersting |
| 07:10.22 | momesana | mfwitten: Kwin in Combination with Compiz was even worse |
| 07:10.42 | mfwitten | momesana: No; i've got an nvidia card. The xserver is loading the composite extension just fine |
| 07:10.57 | momesana | mfwitten: the pager would misbehave with compiz |
| 07:11.05 | mfwitten | momesana: In fact, I've got compiz running at this very moment. But I wanted to understand why kde's compositor isn't working. |
| 07:11.29 | momesana | mfwitten: let me see if I can get it to work. haven't tried it for months |
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| 07:13.17 | momesana | mfwitten: hm. I think one has to restart Kde for it to take effect |
| 07:13.20 | momesana | let me try that |
| 07:13.29 | momesana | I'll be back in a minute (or two) |
| 07:13.32 | mfwitten | ok |
| 07:13.33 | mfwitten | thanks |
| 07:14.23 | smurfslover | mfwitten: which gfx card do you have |
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| 07:15.02 | momesana | mfwitten: still there? |
| 07:15.17 | momesana | mfwitten: works now. I had to restart kde. (and X) |
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| 07:15.28 | mfwitten | smurfslover: GeForce 7600 GS |
| 07:15.40 | mfwitten | momesana: Ah! The old restart KDE trick |
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| 07:15.50 | smurfslover | kwin4 effects only work smooth on intel right now |
| 07:15.52 | mfwitten | momesana: I've been spoiled by XFCE (jab jab) ;-) |
| 07:16.00 | mfwitten | smurfslover: I see. |
| 07:16.02 | smurfslover | nvidia and ati are writing better drivers |
| 07:16.05 | momesana | smurfslover: I've got intel and it ain't smooth at all |
| 07:16.45 | mfwitten | smurfslover: How come something like compiz is quite smooth then? Why would KDE take a different route? |
| 07:16.47 | momesana | mfwitten: If XFCE works this way, then XFCE is certainly ahead of us here in KDE land |
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| 07:17.24 | mfwitten | momesana: XFCE turns on and off quite nicely. They dont' have much beyond some transparency and shadows, but it gives it a nice sophisticated look. |
| 07:17.32 | smurfslover | kde uses opengl |
| 07:17.41 | smurfslover | opengl needs a lot of hardware rendering |
| 07:17.51 | smurfslover | nvidia drivers are just not good enough for that |
| 07:17.57 | mfwitten | smurfslover: Certainly, but compiz is OpenGL based as well |
| 07:18.05 | mfwitten | smurfslover: I'm not sure what you mean exactly.... |
| 07:18.15 | momesana | smurfslover: it's all opengl here on linux! |
| 07:18.37 | momesana | smurfslover: All 3D stuff you see is mapped to openGL commands AFAIK |
| 07:18.50 | mfwitten | momesana: Yes. There is nothing else |
| 07:19.00 | ublongata | how can you get /dev/dsp freed up for another when using kde4/phonon ? |
| 07:19.46 | smurfslover | we'll just have to wait untill nvidia has written better drivers |
| 07:19.51 | mfwitten | momesana: I think I'm going to have to give this KDE compositor a try then. So I just switch it on and then restart the xserver? |
| 07:19.59 | ublongata | for another app* |
| 07:20.25 | momesana | mfwitten: the problem with kwin is, that is was already written when the Translucency effects etc. were made possible by XOrg's new facilities |
| 07:20.30 | mfwitten | smurfslover: I still don't understand. As far as I know--propiatary blobs aside--nvidia has the best drivers |
| 07:20.53 | mfwitten | smurfslover: I can run sauerbraten with full effects on this pentium III 800 Mhz all because of Nvidia |
| 07:21.10 | mfwitten | smurfslover: Perhaps you are thinking of ATI? |
| 07:21.44 | mfwitten | momesana: I don't hold it against KDE; fact is, KDE is the fastest DE I've experienced yet on this old klunker |
| 07:22.07 | mfwitten | momesana: everybody laments about how GNOME and KDE are so dog-slow, but KDE is lickety split! |
| 07:22.31 | smurfslover | mfwitten: nvidia's drivers are better than the ati ones but still not good enough for kwin4 |
| 07:22.36 | momesana | mfwitten: KWin is a very good Window manager and the new version for KDE4 will sport tons of cool effects once it has matured enough |
| 07:23.14 | mfwitten | smurfslover: I think that's a reflection of kwin's problems, not Nvidias. Compiz doesn't have much to complain about. |
| 07:23.17 | momesana | mfwitten: but the 3.5 branch doesn't work well in this regard |
| 07:23.31 | mfwitten | momesana: I'm looking forward to giving KDE4 a try. |
| 07:23.46 | momesana | mfwitten: You better wait until 4.1 is released :) |
| 07:24.05 | momesana | mfwitten: that means, until june or so |
| 07:24.27 | mfwitten | momesana: Ah. |
| 07:24.41 | mfwitten | momesana: That should give me plenty of time to play with KDE3.5 |
| 07:25.05 | momesana | mfwitten: Yep. And kde3 is a proven stable desktop! |
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| 07:25.27 | ublongata | can't temporarily disable kde4 phonon to get /dev/dsp back? |
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| 07:25.52 | mfwitten | momesana: I have to say that I'm enjoying it thus far, most importantly because of kbounce ;-) I played that many years ago and I'm glad it's still around. |
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| 07:26.42 | momesana | mfwitten: haven't played that yet |
| 07:27.38 | momesana | mfwitten: restart kde and tell us how the transparency etc. stuff works! |
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| 07:27.38 | mfwitten | momesana: |
| 07:27.38 | mfwitten | ah yes! Of course! I forgot to do that! |
| 07:27.38 | mfwitten | I shall return! |
| 07:27.38 | momesana | mfwitten: it's horrible on my notebook with a intel 945 video chip |
| 07:27.59 | momesana | graphics* chip |
| 07:33.07 | momesana | Seems like the poor guy switched back to XFCE :-D |
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| 07:33.55 | mfwitten | Well gents, it works! |
| 07:34.03 | momesana | mfwitten: 6 minutes for restarting kde. I hope you didn't restart the computer ;) |
| 07:34.08 | mfwitten | The first time I started up, everything went haywire! |
| 07:34.28 | mfwitten | momesana: The session had been saved and so it started up compiz too! |
| 07:35.08 | mfwitten | momesana: opened a bunch of windows and changed compositors midway through. It was a very frightening time |
| 07:35.08 | momesana | mfwitten: oh! Bad thing |
| 07:35.08 | mfwitten | momesana: Anyway, I sorted out the session business and started back up with just KDE |
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| 07:35.25 | mfwitten | mfwitten: The shadows are nice and give it some depth, and it ain't all that slower |
| 07:35.33 | mfwitten | (I just spoke to myself :-() |
| 07:35.50 | mfwitten | momesana: The one thing that is really terrible is the transparency |
| 07:36.08 | mfwitten | momesana: That effect is really quite childish here, I'm afraid. |
| 07:36.14 | momesana | mfwitten: leading selfconversations might be a sign of insanity :-P |
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| 07:36.20 | mfwitten | momesana: What's worse is that every settings change requires restarting kde |
| 07:36.28 | mfwitten | momesana: Or genius! |
| 07:36.48 | mfwitten | momesana: Never the less, Nvidia does an EXCELLENT job (;-P) |
| 07:37.05 | mfwitten | That being said, I look forward to kde4. It should be very interesting |
| 07:37.08 | momesana | mfwitten: the kwin stuff cannot compete with Compiz. But I would say kwin is by far the better window manager |
| 07:37.29 | momesana | mfwitten: where are you from? |
| 07:37.37 | mfwitten | momesana: In comparison to Compiz? What features in particular do you like? |
| 07:38.01 | mfwitten | USA |
| 07:38.08 | mfwitten | Massachussetts |
| 07:38.10 | momesana | mfwitten: well, it integrates better with KDE. |
| 07:38.26 | momesana | mfwitten: I thought you were from germany. |
| 07:38.47 | mfwitten | momesana: Ich kann Deutsch nur ein bisschen sprechen! |
| 07:38.57 | mfwitten | momesana: Kommen Sie aus Deutschland? |
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| 07:39.07 | momesana | mfwitten: Ach so. Das ist ja merkwuerdig, dass man in den USA deutsch lernt |
| 07:39.24 | momesana | mfwitten: Ich komme eigentlich aus dem Iran :-D aber ich lebe _noch_ in Deutschland |
| 07:41.09 | mfwitten | momesana: hahahaa. I was trying to formulate a sentence. But the window of conversation has passed... |
| 07:41.22 | mfwitten | momesana: Seit langem spreche ich kein Deutsch. Endschuldigung. |
| 07:42.11 | momesana | mfwitten: :-D. Wo hast du denn die deutsche Sprache erlernt? Warst du mal in Deutschland? |
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| 07:42.55 | mfwitten | momesana: Nein. Seit vier Semestern lerne ich Deutsch. |
| 07:43.52 | momesana | mfwitten: warum ausgerechnet deutsch? Es gibt doch weissgott schoenere Sprachen! Italienisch, franzoesisch und und und |
| 07:44.14 | mfwitten | Die Deutschstunden war sehr Intensiv, aber ich kenn noch so wenig Worte und Grammatik. |
| 07:44.57 | momesana | naja, hoert sich eigentlich schon ganz proper an! Koenntest glaube ich ohne Probleme in Deutschland auskommen |
| 07:44.59 | mfwitten | momesana: Ich glaube, dass Deutsch sehr Shoen ist! |
| 07:45.36 | momesana | mfwitten: da bin ich aber ganz anderer Meinung ;). |
| 07:45.37 | mfwitten | Wirklich? |
| 07:46.12 | mfwitten | Warum? |
| 07:46.20 | momesana | mfwitten: Ja klar. hoert sich ganz ordentlich an. hattest wohl einen guten Lehrer |
| 07:47.09 | mfwitten | Ich hatte drei Professorinnen |
| 07:47.11 | momesana | mfwitten: Ach ich weiss nicht. Die deutsche Sprache klingt sehr rauh und sonderlich melodisch ist sie auch nicht. Ich bevorzuge da eher italienisch oder franzoesisch |
| 07:48.13 | jazka | ._. |
| 07:48.16 | mfwitten | Aber Deutsch klingt so stark und kraeftlich (?) |
| 07:48.17 | momesana | mfwitten: gleich drei? Scheint ja ne grosse Nachfrage zu geben bei euch, was deutsch betrifft |
| 07:48.30 | jazka | English here please |
| 07:49.08 | momesana | mfwitten: siehst du, deswegen hast du auch nur Professorinnen und keinen Professor. Frauen fuehlen sich eher zu sowas hingezogen als Maenner |
| 07:49.18 | mfwitten | :-) |
| 07:49.56 | momesana | jazka: The discussion is not really KDE-specific ... |
| 07:49.59 | mfwitten | Now! Back to kwin, before I betray my terrible German skills |
| 07:50.12 | jazka | momesana: then it doesn't really belong here ^^ |
| 07:50.24 | momesana | jazka: right |
| 07:50.35 | mfwitten | jazka: Come Come. 2 people from across the globe enjoying each other's company. |
| 07:50.42 | mfwitten | jazka: That belongs anywhere |
| 07:51.28 | momesana | mfwitten: convincing argument ;) |
| 07:51.43 | jazka | well what would happen if all the 308 ppl here starts to speak their languages + offtopic |
| 07:52.42 | momesana | jazka: 200 of them are located in germany and france and are asleep anyway (just the way I should be right now). The other 100 are not at their desk |
| 07:53.20 | mfwitten | ha! |
| 07:53.22 | jazka | and that means if you're located in germany/france, you can't speak english? :) |
| 07:53.25 | mfwitten | Oh well. Another time then momesana, wann ich mein Deutsch besser verstehe! |
| 07:53.32 | jazka | if that's the language of the channel |
| 07:53.54 | jazka | okay, well i'll stop this and get my morning coffee |
| 07:53.57 | momesana | jazka: No, but those in germany/france are asleep right now. its 9 o'clock in the morning |
| 07:54.11 | jazka | yea it's 09:54 here (Finland) |
| 07:54.16 | jazka | too |
| 07:54.37 | mfwitten | jazka: Is Finnish hard to learn? |
| 07:55.05 | jazka | I think so, atleast when I look @ the grammar and stuff, it looks scary |
| 07:55.36 | mfwitten | Is that finnish? |
| 07:55.49 | momesana | jazka: there are too many languages in germany. lucky americans! 51 states and only one language! |
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| 07:56.01 | jazka | mfwitten: what is? |
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| 07:56.15 | momesana | I meant in europe |
| 07:56.22 | jazka | momesana: right |
| 07:56.28 | mfwitten | momesana: Not so! Spanish is starting to take over. Besides, we've always had Little Italys and Chinatowns and German Towns |
| 07:57.13 | mfwitten | momesana: At least the latter ones were English friendly, but there is a lot of catering to Spanish speakers now. A lot of stores (corporate) have signs in both languages |
| 07:57.42 | mfwitten | jazka: This line appeared right under your text: " jal jamesrdorn japc Japsu jazka Jester jgoss jnguy JohnFlux jott jpatrick jq " |
| 07:57.51 | momesana | mfwitten: learning spanish is ok. I mean one has to know at least one foreign language. But there are dozens of "official" languages here in europe |
| 07:57.54 | mfwitten | jazka: It was a joke, but I guess my client bugged out. |
| 07:58.11 | jazka | mfwitten: you probably typed ja and pressed tab ;) |
| 07:58.16 | jazka | or j |
| 07:58.33 | mfwitten | oh... I see *shy* |
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| 07:59.41 | mfwitten | momesana: Actually, I doubt many natively born Americans ever learn a second language beyond the basics. However, there is in fact NO official language in the United States. |
| 08:00.08 | jazka | so you guys using kde4? |
| 08:00.13 | momesana | englisch is the official language! |
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| 08:00.29 | momesana | spanisch is the second inofficial language |
| 08:00.34 | mfwitten | momesana: Not So! In fact, everybody calls the Congress racists when they try to introduce a bill that would make English so. |
| 08:00.55 | mfwitten | momesana: So, English is the King in name only. |
| 08:00.56 | momesana | mfwitten: hm. I didn't know that |
| 08:01.29 | jazka | all I know in German is: ich liebe dich, ich bin, du bist B) |
| 08:01.51 | jazka | and maybe numbers 1-10, dunno how to spell them tho |
| 08:01.54 | mfwitten | jazka: How do you say that in Finnish? |
| 08:02.15 | momesana | mfwitten: Congress can pass laws to start war with a hundred countries but is not able to introduce an officila language? |
| 08:02.20 | jazka | which one? the first one? |
| 08:02.37 | mfwitten | momesana: War is politically correct ;-) |
| 08:02.43 | momesana | mfwitten: :-D |
| 08:03.01 | mfwitten | momesana: That being said, Congress never actually declared War. I don't think the US has been at war since WWII |
| 08:03.32 | momesana | mfwitten: hm. didn't they declare war when they entered iraq? |
| 08:04.20 | mfwitten | momesana: Not quite. There's not Declaration of War. The Congress simply gave the President the authority to attack our attackers (Afghanistan) and money for Iraq |
| 08:04.35 | mfwitten | momesana: I must admit I don't know the details; I should look into them. |
| 08:04.38 | momesana | mfwitten: wikipedia says, they didn't declare war but did authorize it |
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| 08:04.59 | momesana | mfwitten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States#Military_engagements_authorized_by_Congress |
| 08:05.08 | mfwitten | momesana: Yeah. Technicalities. Basically, no one wants the blame, so they setup these loops holes and special language |
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| 08:06.16 | mfwitten | momesana: Our Constitution says, I think, that we are not supposed to enter into military conflict without a Declaration of War by the Congress |
| 08:06.27 | momesana | Well, I think you should have attacked saudi arabia if you wanted to target the attackers. 13 of 19 of the terrorist from 9/11 were from there |
| 08:06.27 | mfwitten | momesana: So, it seems kind of illegal to me anyway. |
| 08:07.10 | mfwitten | momesana: They have oil, and they helped crack down on terrorists (I'm just explaining the mindset of the elite). |
| 08:07.17 | momesana | mfwitten: it's politics. legal or illegal doesn't matter that much. |
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| 08:07.28 | mfwitten | momesana: Iraq could have been a major victory for the U.S. if it hadn't bungled it up. |
| 08:07.41 | mfwitten | momesana: But it was nearly impossible not to bungle it up. |
| 08:08.14 | mfwitten | momesana: I think the mentality goes back to the cold war: If we can create a Democracy in the middle of the bad guys, it will take root and turn everything in our favor. |
| 08:08.21 | momesana | mfwitten: the middle east is very complex |
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| 08:08.36 | mfwitten | momesana: That's part of the problem. A lot of the foreign policy guys are idiots. |
| 08:09.02 | McPaul | hello |
| 08:09.02 | mfwitten | momesana: It takes someone like Ron Paul to understand and acknowledge what the deal is, but nobody takes his kind seriously. |
| 08:09.04 | momesana | mfwitten: the problem is that the us doesn't really want to install a democratic system in the middle east. That would go against their very interest: oil |
| 08:09.23 | McPaul | exists an auto rejoin under konversation? |
| 08:09.38 | mfwitten | momesana: I imagine that has a lot to do with it. We probably also sell a lot of weapons too, so conflict is good. |
| 08:10.29 | mfwitten | momesana: Nevertheless, please understand that Normal Americans just want to fall in love, make families, and live comfortably; it's these elite politician types that have gotten the World into a mess |
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| 08:10.37 | momesana | mfwitten: Yes. But in the long run this strategy will turn out to be the wrong one. Both for the middle east states and for the us |
| 08:10.44 | McPaul | no ? |
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| 08:11.57 | mfwitten | momesana: Well, let's say that there are radicals on both sides and that's why there hasn't been a good strategy. I think this will change in the coming decade though. America's dollar is tanking, and the giant will again be awoken into new energy-saving industries and more mild foreign policy |
| 08:12.20 | momesana | mfwitten: I know. It's the politicians that make the decisions. It's the same everywhere. But talking about politics is fun |
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| 08:12.30 | mfwitten | McPaul: I've responded so you don't feel angry: I don't know. |
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| 08:12.36 | McPaul | ok |
| 08:13.12 | mfwitten | momesana: Indeed. Dangerous too though ;-) |
| 08:13.24 | momesana | mfwitten: :-D |
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| 08:16.29 | mfwitten | momesana: I like the conspiracy theories myself. I think it's interesting that Europe is increasingly "The EU" under one currency, the Euro. There is talk of one currency in the East and it's known that there are bills to establish the Amero in Canada, the U.S., and Latin America, along with Bills to create the North American Free Trade Agreement. The conspiracy is that Three world regions will be created and then eventually put together under one world |
| 08:16.29 | mfwitten | politics. |
| 08:17.00 | momesana | yes |
| 08:17.12 | momesana | mfwitten: there is this theory ... about the worldbank |
| 08:17.30 | momesana | mfwitten: let me give you the link to the google video. its very very interesting |
| 08:17.59 | momesana | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279 |
| 08:18.03 | mfwitten | momesana: Might it be Zeitgeist? |
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| 08:18.43 | momesana | mfwitten: Zeitgeist? heard it somewhere but naw. It's english. But there is also a very good one in german and since you are eager to improve your german ... |
| 08:19.25 | momesana | mfwitten: http://www.neueimpulse.org/index.php?id=8&tx_abdownloads_pi1[action]=getviewcatalog&tx_abdownloads_pi1[category_uid]=2&cHash=e4f331ff5a |
| 08:20.06 | mfwitten | momesana: :-) Zeitgeist is more broadly conspiratorial. It's interesting if you relax your mind a bit. I'll |
| 08:20.23 | momesana | mfwitten: hm. the link is being truncated ... just go on vide and download it from here: http://www.neueimpulse.org/index.php?id=8 |
| 08:20.34 | mfwitten | Thanks for these links. They look intriguing. |
| 08:20.53 | momesana | I'll check out zeitgeist :) |
| 08:21.56 | mfwitten | momesana: Well, it's quite late here, also gute Nacht. |
| 08:22.19 | momesana | mfwitten: gute Nacht |
| 08:22.25 | mfwitten | I enjoyed the conversation immensely. |
| 08:22.33 | momesana | mfwitten: same for me :) |
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| 09:47.07 | sebbar | hi, is there a way to let the plasma toolbox (the one in the top-right corner) open on click? I find it quite annoying that it opens every time I close a window.... why isn't it in the top-left corner? |
| 09:47.27 | SSJ_GZ | sebbar: No, not yet, |
| 09:47.28 | SSJ_GZ | . |
| 09:47.40 | jazka | it can't be disabled, I find it kinda annoying too |
| 09:47.41 | jazka | ? |
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| 09:55.02 | funkyou | hi there. is there a channel for kommander or something? i have some problems with the new khtml plugin (it just crashes when starting the example app) |
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| 10:09.49 | vladc | Hi, can someone confirm that the SFTP protocol tends to crash, especially if used in multiple applications at the same time (ie. browse an SFTP url in Dolphin while opening a file on SFTP in KWrite)? |
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| 10:16.46 | Yosusin | http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ |
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| 10:23.34 | kaminix | Hmm... wasn't the KDE 4.0.2 tagging day four days ago? Was it moved? How long 'til release? |
| 10:24.16 | SSJ_GZ | kaminix: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.0.2/ |
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| 10:24.34 | SSJ_GZ | kaminix: Typically, releases are made 1 week after tagging. |
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| 10:24.46 | uunbeatable | ##Linux on Dalnet needs some good company and good channel operators. type /server -m irc.dal.net (or /connect irc.dal.net) and join ##Linux. Be there for some time. New channel… |
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| 10:25.00 | SSJ_GZ | beatable |
| 10:25.16 | kaminix | I'm actually more interested in the changelog than the actual system at this point, which typically come with the package releases :) |
| 10:25.20 | jpatrick | SSJ_GZ: he's about to be klined by staff |
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| 10:26.01 | kaminix | But thanks, I suppose we'll se it around Thursday or so next week then. :) |
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| 10:26.22 | SSJ_GZ | kaminix: Ah, I see - I'm not sure how conscientious the devs have been in filling out the changelog - I know a lot of them need to be frequently poked and reminded to do it :) |
| 10:27.51 | kaminix | Heh :) |
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| 10:46.24 | Sanitoeter | whats the name of the taskbar (named kicker in kde3) in kde4? |
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| 10:48.21 | jpatrick | Sanitoeter: plasma |
| 10:48.58 | SSJ_GZ | Plasma Panel, more particularly - Plasma refers to the whole workspace. |
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| 10:49.59 | Sanitoeter | hmm .. the taskbar wont show up, even if I exec "plasma" :/ |
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| 10:50.16 | Sanitoeter | restarting did not help |
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| 10:54.08 | SSJ_GZ | Sanitoeter: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Where_has_my_panel_disappeared_to.3F.21 |
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| 10:55.51 | cribbe | Hello, anyone know if it possible to disable the crossfading in juk? |
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| 11:00.48 | Sanitoeter | hm .. does not work, there is no $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc. I better stick to kde3 for a while |
| 11:02.07 | SSJ_GZ | Sanitoeter: Fair enough :) |
| 11:03.33 | Sanitoeter | thanks anyway :) |
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| 11:26.38 | pinotree | jpatrick: ? |
| 11:26.48 | jpatrick | pinotree: known spammer |
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| 11:28.36 | jpatrick | pinotree: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58083/ |
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| 11:34.03 | Enverex | Is it possible to use gtk-engines-qt with KDE4? I've installed it but it doesn't seem to work by default and there doesn't seem to be a way of setting it like there was with KDE3.5 in the Control Panel |
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| 11:51.14 | aleksanteri | i hate those guys |
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| 11:51.34 | pinotree | he pinged the wrong person >:) |
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| 11:52.59 | Jejem | ... |
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| 11:53.04 | Zarin | Hello ISpamYou, how are you today? |
| 11:53.04 | McPaul | OH FUCK |
| 11:53.10 | McPaul | I HATE HL |
| 11:53.13 | Jejem | mibbit.com, the new spam engine... |
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| 11:53.22 | McPaul | MY CLIENT MAKES A ************ SOUND |
| 11:53.33 | kaminix | lol, shut it of McPaul? |
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| 11:53.37 | idem | McPaul > time for a bit of IRC client configuration ? |
| 11:53.41 | McPaul | xD |
| 11:53.49 | McPaul | hum |
| 11:53.49 | kaminix | McPaul |
| 11:53.51 | pinotree | problem solved. |
| 11:53.51 | kaminix | McPaul |
| 11:53.53 | McPaul | *ignore mibbit* |
| 11:53.54 | kaminix | :p |
| 11:53.56 | McPaul | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHh |
| 11:53.56 | Enverex | Try banning |
| 11:54.10 | pinotree | Enverex: i did |
| 11:54.36 | Enverex | pinotree, Ah, I see it now, sorry, KDE killing XChat's display is making it hard to see :P |
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| 11:57.53 | pinotree | jpatrick: no |
| 11:57.56 | aleksanteri | o_o that's harsh |
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| 11:58.11 | Enverex | I did that some time ago in Wine, if people need help they can use a real client |
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| 11:58.46 | jpatrick | pinotree: all he has to do is change nick now |
| 11:59.30 | aleksanteri | but he doesn't know that |
| 11:59.41 | jpatrick | aleksanteri: well, he's already did it |
| 11:59.48 | Sput | +d helps quite well in these cases |
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| 12:00.27 | ISpammingReallyY | Yes |
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| 12:01.03 | jpatrick | aleksanteri: see? |
| 12:01.08 | pinotree | join again, now |
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| 12:01.12 | BadManNx | hey |
| 12:01.15 | aleksanteri | oh well. |
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| 12:01.47 | Sput | pinotree: you could try +d ltia.lostinthenoise.net |
| 12:01.57 | pinotree | what's +d? |
| 12:02.08 | Sput | realname ban |
| 12:02.16 | Sput | freenode special |
| 12:03.40 | jpatrick | pinotree: heh, now he's spamming #ubuntu-fr |
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| 12:05.40 | Enverex | So anyway, in KDE4, how do I make GTK apps not look like crap? (gtk-engines-qt worked with KDE3.5) |
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| 12:06.08 | pinotree | bug $someone to port gtk-qt to work with qt4 |
| 12:06.18 | pinotree | there is no other way |
| 12:06.31 | pinotree | ... or find a better gtk theme, of course |
| 12:06.38 | pusling | Enverex: bug pinotree ;) |
| 12:07.04 | aleksanteri | well if you got a kde4-like theme for kde3, you could set kde3 to use it, and use gtk-qt-engine |
| 12:07.22 | aleksanteri | the problem is.. i dunno is there a kde4-like theme for kde3 :) |
| 12:07.26 | Enverex | Hrm, I'm using KDE4 atm (or rather trying to) and it seems to be missing... well... it feel like a skeleton, is that deliberate? |
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| 12:07.54 | Caster | Enverex: yes, haven't you heard it's just a technology preview :) |
| 12:07.55 | pinotree | 'stard :p |
| 12:08.53 | Enverex | Caster, Well the widgets are pretty but... not all that useful, and the fact that there isn't an actual desktop anymore kinda outweighs that :/ |
| 12:09.32 | aleksanteri | terminal \o/ |
| 12:11.00 | Enverex | But seriously, is KDE 4.0.1 just a kinda, testing release? |
| 12:11.07 | MasseR | Enverex: Yep |
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| 12:11.21 | pusling | Enverex: especially okular is just a testing release. |
| 12:11.34 | Enverex | Aaaahh. Ok, didn't realise that, explains why it feels like I've forgotten to install like... any of it, lol |
| 12:11.47 | Enverex | I assumed when it was "released" that it was the whole... you know... release :P |
| 12:11.49 | pusling | Enverex: no. it is a real release. |
| 12:11.55 | pusling | Enverex: distros plan to release with it |
| 12:12.53 | Enverex | Well Kicker is... entirely unconfigurable, there's no desktop, many control panel settings seem to be missing, lots of graphical bugs, any GTK apps look awful... :/ that can't all be deliberate can it? |
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| 12:14.30 | vlt | Hello. When I open an NFS mounted folder in Konqueror sometimes not the same files as `ls` prints are shown. Even closing and re-opening Konqueror doesn't help. I have to pres Refresh/F5. Any idea how to solve this? Is there a cache setting I have to change? |
| 12:14.55 | wstephenson_ | Enverex: opensuse has backported most of the panel config stuff from 4.1 to 4.0.1, fyi |
| 12:15.10 | Sanitoeter | how do I whitelist a website in konquerors adblocker? |
| 12:15.21 | Enverex | wstephenson_, Ah. I guess expecting Debian to be swift is like expecting a Sloth to be hyper, heh |
| 12:15.29 | shevy | hehe |
| 12:15.42 | wstephenson_ | Enverex: pusling knows where our diffs are... |
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| 12:17.42 | pusling | wstephenson_: in /dev/null ? ;) |
| 12:17.59 | Enverex | Ok, gonna reinstall Gnome for now, thanks guys (not to keen on Gnome, lots of annoying things like when Windows open fullscreen, if you restore them then they just shrink 1 pixel rather than to the size they should be, etc). Ah well |
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| 12:18.28 | downs | hii |
| 12:18.33 | downs | I just wanted to tell the konqueror devs |
| 12:18.39 | downs | THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH:// |
| 12:18.45 | Jejem | xD |
| 12:18.49 | downs | SSH integration rules mah world. |
| 12:18.57 | Jejem | sftp:// :) |
| 12:19.16 | downs | eh, ssh is easier ^^ |
| 12:19.21 | Enverex | Erm, silly question, if I use KDE3.5, will it upgrade nicely to KDE4 or will everything have to be redone from scratch? |
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| 12:19.37 | Enverex | (settings I mean) |
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| 12:39.48 | spawn57 | [20:18] <downs> THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH:// <-- my favourite authour too heh |
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| 12:50.20 | harmental | hey guys...i where can delete all settings for a usb drive thats making my system hung.... |
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| 12:50.33 | flabr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.36 | flabr | i run KDE |
| 12:50.38 | harmental | in particular im looking for an easy way of unchecking the automount option... |
| 12:50.52 | harmental | via a config file |
| 12:51.46 | harmental | anyone? |
| 12:52.48 | pinotree | flabr: #compoz-fusion please |
| 12:53.02 | pinotree | flabr: err, #compiz-fusion please |
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| 12:53.23 | flabr | pinotree: right...just tought it could be something related to KDE not saving the changes |
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| 13:00.06 | kaminix | Is there any easy to understand description of what the --enable-final option actually does to speed up compiling? Just curious |
| 13:00.47 | feindbild | kaminix: does it speed up compiling? |
| 13:01.13 | kaminix | From the KTorrent site: If you want really fast compilation times, you should use ./configure --enable-final instead of ./configure |
| 13:01.31 | kaminix | I've also seen that description in a bunch of other software compiling options. |
| 13:02.00 | feindbild | kaminix: in my experience --enable-final slows down comiling a lot because it does only only one job at a time despite -j5 |
| 13:02.22 | kaminix | hmm... strange. |
| 13:02.28 | kaminix | -j5 = five cores? |
| 13:02.49 | feindbild | kaminix: -j5 == 5 jobs at a time, on 4 cores ... |
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| 13:03.02 | wstephenson_ | kaminix: enable final cats all the files in a target into one file and compiles that |
| 13:03.13 | kaminix | Ah. Hmm... why would anyone want that option? |
| 13:03.15 | kaminix | Ahh... |
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| 13:03.20 | wstephenson | kaminix: I/O |
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| 13:05.20 | wstephenson | kaminix: IIUC, make parallelizes within a given directory, qith --enable-final there is only target and only one file to compile, so less opportunity for parallelism |
| 13:05.27 | wstephenson | s/qith/with/ |
| 13:05.53 | kaminix | Are all the KDE 4 apps interfaces slower than the KDE 3 ones just because I'm running them in KDE 3 or will it be like this in KDE 4 aswell? |
| 13:06.01 | kaminix | wstephenson: Ah, I see. Thank you. |
| 13:06.32 | SSJ_GZ | kaminix: They'll likely be slower in KDE4, too. |
| 13:07.15 | kaminix | Why is that? Why is KDE (or QT) 4 so much slower than KDE 3? |
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| 13:07.41 | Aishiko | I thought that mibbit sent the iding info, making it a non automizer |
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| 13:08.26 | SSJ_GZ | kaminix: Could be any of a whole bunch of reasons - lack of optimisation; doing much more than the Qt3 counterparts; relying on hardware features for speed that might not be well supported by your card; etc. |
| 13:08.54 | kaminix | Mjeee, after pushing one of the submenus in KTorrent 3 it takes about a second for it to switch! :/ |
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| 13:09.15 | kaminix | But I'm using a fairly standard Intel graphics chip. :( |
| 13:09.16 | wstephenson | kaminix: double buffered widget drawing in qt 4.3, hopefully improved by alien widgets in qt 4.4 |
| 13:09.43 | kaminix | When is QT 4.4 due to? Or when can we expect it? |
| 13:09.45 | wstephenson | kaminix: if it is a general kde 4 problem, it will affect all submenus. |
| 13:10.05 | wstephenson | if it is just that ktorrent menu then ktorrent is doing something slow between the click and showing the menu |
| 13:10.22 | wstephenson | kaminix: qt 4.4 is in beta. i have it here, it's faster but buggier atm. |
| 13:10.36 | kaminix | Nice, quite soon then I suppose |
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| 13:14.36 | kaminix | wstephenson: Will the QT 4.4 speedup affect all QT using applications or will the devs have to rewrite the apps in order for them to work properly? |
| 13:15.00 | kaminix | *in order for them to speed up? |
| 13:15.04 | pinotree | (QT is QuickTime, Qt is the C++ framework) |
| 13:15.14 | wstephenson | kaminix: the former |
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| 13:15.32 | kaminix | Wops, thanks pinotree :) |
| 13:15.41 | kaminix | Nice, thanks wstephenson :) |
| 13:16.43 | wstephenson | kaminix: "Qt" is pronounced "cute" btw |
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| 13:17.26 | kaminix | That I already knew actually, found out only about a month or so ago though. :) |
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| 13:45.23 | ZenWalker | hi.. I am using OpenSuSE 10.3 with KDE 4. Whenever I log in to my system, I get the error that Plasma workspace has crashed. This is my .xsession-errors file http://rafb.net/p/NTpWKU82.html |
| 13:45.32 | ZenWalker | Help plz |
| 13:45.50 | jouellette | Which chan should I got to get help with programming for KDE/QT? |
| 13:45.50 | annma | well, did you ask in Open-Suse channel? |
| 13:46.08 | annma | jouellette: you have a specific question about KDE programming? |
| 13:46.14 | ZenWalker | i thought it's a KDE related question so i asked here |
| 13:46.27 | ZenWalker | annma : ^ |
| 13:46.28 | jouellette | annma: I'm having issues with the QHttp object |
| 13:46.34 | pinotree | jouellette: #qt |
| 13:46.38 | annma | jouellette: #qt |
| 13:46.54 | jouellette | thanks |
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| 13:47.35 | Diavolo | Hi |
| 13:47.37 | Diavolo | I have kde 3 and 4 installed |
| 13:47.50 | Diavolo | and I can't edit my kmenu entries on kde 3.5.9 |
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| 13:47.59 | ZenWalker | someone help plz |
| 13:48.54 | pinotree | ZenWalker: you have "zen" in your nick? then be "zen" and have patience |
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| 13:49.10 | annma | ZenWalker: is it a new user? |
| 13:49.34 | ZenWalker | annma : no my regular login |
| 13:49.41 | annma | it seems that there are lots of crashes from open suse KDE 4 packages |
| 13:49.45 | annma | try a new user |
| 13:49.56 | annma | then produce a backtrace |
| 13:50.18 | ZenWalker | .xsession-errors I have already pasted |
| 13:50.37 | Diavolo | is it a known bug in kde 3.5.9? |
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| 13:50.46 | ZenWalker | backtrace contains errors related to syscalls and thread management |
| 13:50.48 | annma | ZenWalker: does kde start??? |
| 13:50.51 | ZenWalker | yeah |
| 13:50.55 | ZenWalker | its's working |
| 13:51.07 | annma | so what is xsession-errors for??? |
| 13:51.11 | ZenWalker | but notification icons are not available |
| 13:51.12 | pinotree | ZenWalker: that is not a backtrace, just an unuseful log. |
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| 13:51.31 | annma | ZenWalker: if X starts then .xsession-errors is useless |
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| 13:51.53 | ZenWalker | annma, any other file which I shud copy? |
| 13:51.57 | annma | ZenWalker: as I said Open Suse KDE 4 seems buggy |
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| 13:52.10 | annma | I saw some bugs reports about it |
| 13:52.22 | annma | I said: try a new user and produce a backtrace |
| 13:52.26 | annma | ZenWalker: ^^ |
| 13:52.39 | ZenWalker | how do i produce a backtrace? |
| 13:52.56 | annma | you have a crash, so you get a dislog |
| 13:53.00 | annma | dialog |
| 13:53.08 | ZenWalker | yeah.. |
| 13:53.09 | annma | this dialog will give you a backtrace |
| 13:53.18 | ZenWalker | ok.. |
| 13:53.21 | annma | set a new user |
| 13:53.23 | ZenWalker | gimme a minute |
| 13:53.28 | annma | and produce the backtrace |
| 13:53.32 | ZenWalker | OK |
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| 13:55.59 | ZenWalker | annma, this is the backtrace : http://rafb.net/p/ulZQ9z32.html |
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| 13:56.08 | pinotree | unuseful |
| 13:56.25 | pinotree | ZenWalker: is it happening with a new user as well? |
| 13:56.35 | ZenWalker | yeah |
| 13:56.59 | pinotree | then #opensuse please, either you have partial updates, or broken packages |
| 13:57.03 | twosouls82 | how do I add shortcuts to menu commands that do not appear in the shortcut editor of kde applications? |
| 13:57.10 | pinotree | in both case, we can do nothing with opensuse stuff |
| 13:57.30 | annma | ZenWalker: exactly what pinotree says |
| 13:57.39 | ZenWalker | ok...thanks |
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| 14:10.45 | Ralesk | hi all |
| 14:12.18 | Ralesk | bugs.kde.org keeps signing me out :( |
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| 14:25.30 | downs | I have a site that can reproducably crash konqueror |
| 14:25.40 | downs | http://java.dzone.com/tips/ten-amazing-java-applications |
| 14:26.02 | pinotree | backtrace? |
| 14:26.05 | downs | on it |
| 14:26.10 | pinotree | (and konqueror version) |
| 14:26.20 | downs | no debugging symbols ;_; |
| 14:26.25 | downs | #0 0xb63c2396 in ?? () from /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4 |
| 14:26.45 | pinotree | no crash here, konqueror 3.5.8 |
| 14:26.50 | downs | and, 3.5.7 |
| 14:26.52 | downs | oh, good to know |
| 14:27.02 | downs | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.19 | pinotree | i did |
| 14:27.22 | jazka | crashes with konqueror 4 |
| 14:27.27 | jazka | (svn trunk) |
| 14:27.46 | pinotree | hm, reloading and crash |
| 14:27.51 | SSJ_GZ | Crashed 3.5.8 |
| 14:28.07 | downs | anybody got a backtrace? |
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| 14:29.33 | pinotree | http://rafb.net/p/sKJvdl27.html |
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| 14:29.40 | m-lund | downs: Crashes mine too (kde 4.0.1). |
| 14:29.43 | downs | could anybody mirror that site? |
| 14:29.52 | downs | good I'm not the only one |
| 14:30.15 | m-lund | downs: I have a backtrace - do you want it? |
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| 14:30.22 | downs | m-lund, pinotree just pasted one |
| 14:30.24 | downs | 'sknay |
| 14:30.26 | downs | -n |
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| 14:30.48 | pinotree | 'sknay - n = 'skay ? |
| 14:30.50 | downs | I'll try to rebuild my konqueror with -O0 -g |
| 14:30.53 | downs | 's okay |
| 14:31.11 | pinotree | then +o as well ;) |
| 14:31.14 | downs | ^^ |
| 14:31.22 | downs | I mean, 'skay is short for "is okay" |
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| 14:34.28 | downs | agh |
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| 14:40.37 | downs | okay, rebuilding khtml |
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| 14:51.39 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
| 14:51.47 | Tm_T | MilhousePunkRock: howdy |
| 14:52.15 | MilhousePunkRock | I am having trouble with media:/ in KDE 3.5.9 (Kubuntu 7.10 with official packages). |
| 14:53.19 | MilhousePunkRock | The media management fails to start properly, for instance now media:/ is empty, though I see all the drives in /media |
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| 15:21.44 | epsilom | hi, I have a problem with konqueror |
| 15:22.02 | annma | exlain your problem please |
| 15:22.46 | epsilom | konqueror open web link in temporal file for example when click web link in kontact, konqueror open link as (for example): /var/tmp/kdecache-xavier/krun/12409.0.2008 |
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| 15:23.47 | epsilom | I dont like this, because the web load very poor and all link in the page not work. |
| 15:24.36 | annma | change your webbrowser to Firefox maybe |
| 15:24.50 | epsilom | I know that use firefox but I fix this in konqueror |
| 15:25.03 | annma | you fixed it? |
| 15:25.14 | epsilom | no |
| 15:26.25 | epsilom | any idea? |
| 15:26.47 | epsilom | (sorry my poor english) |
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| 15:28.38 | epsilom | this not happened before |
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| 15:30.32 | annma | before? |
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| 15:33.12 | epsilom | yes, when I update kde with repositori of kubuntu |
| 15:33.39 | annma | then ask in #kubuntu |
| 15:33.44 | epsilom | I use kde 3.5.9 |
| 15:34.15 | annma | if it happened after you upgraded, please ask in #kubuntu |
| 15:34.18 | epsilom | no answer me |
| 15:34.43 | epsilom | no, because this is not happen with other users in my system |
| 15:34.44 | jpatrick | epsilom: please ask in #kubuntu |
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| 15:35.51 | epsilom | mmm |
| 15:36.27 | annma | then backup the configuration files from that user |
| 15:38.10 | epsilom | I remove ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror and continue error |
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| 15:38.57 | epsilom | I don't lose all kde configuration |
| 15:39.50 | epsilom | is this any configuration of konqueror? |
| 15:42.16 | epsilom | I like and use konqueror and kde :) any idea? |
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| 15:44.41 | annma | just backup config files and reintroduce little by little |
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| 15:44.46 | annma | until you get the error |
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| 15:45.27 | epsilom | mmm ok |
| 15:46.07 | epsilom | I don't do that |
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| 15:46.40 | epsilom | but is a only solution |
| 15:47.05 | annma | yes |
| 15:47.28 | epsilom | thanks anyway |
| 15:48.05 | epsilom | bye |
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| 15:48.24 | annma | good luck and bye! |
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| 15:54.16 | rofl | where is the "panel hiding button", as described in the panel settings ? |
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| 15:57.32 | tuultk | any way i can get sync to vblank with now with kde4 desktop? |
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| 15:57.46 | annma | rofl: at the right of the panel I think |
| 15:58.25 | tuultk | mac uses somekind of xorg dont they_? so why would it be so hard to get vsynced desktop on linux too |
| 15:58.32 | Sho_ | tuultk: If you use OpenGL compositing, yes. There's an option in the settings. |
| 15:58.50 | tuultk | yes i know with compiz it works |
| 15:59.19 | tuultk | would the effects in kde4 result to the same thing? |
| 15:59.24 | Sho_ | tuultk: In KDE 4, KDE's window manager kwin has gained the ability to use OpenGL compositing as well, i.e. you don't need compiz. |
| 15:59.42 | tuultk | how do i enable it to do so |
| 15:59.58 | tuultk | or is that just by enabliong effects |
| 16:00.01 | tuultk | -o |
| 16:00.14 | Sho_ | tuultk: System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects. You can set the mode to OpenGL there, and also enable vsync. |
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| 16:00.56 | tuultk | ohh iv not found those for open gl there in options i will have another look. tnx |
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| 16:49.24 | annma | this is not related to KDE, sorry |
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| 16:55.02 | mfwitten | Hi there. I'm having trouble getting secure certificates for use in Konqueror: I kept getting asked for a password by the certificate wizard, but I'm pretty sure the certificate generating server doesn't need this information, especially because the server is crapping out with a traceback from the python script that generates the certificate, which says that the header is too long. Any ideas? Can I turn off the password part? |
| 16:55.18 | CRXLNX | does kde4 use less ram than kde3.5.8 ? |
| 16:55.27 | annma | sure CRXLNX |
| 16:55.43 | CRXLNX | cool, thanks for the quicky |
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| 17:05.58 | AndreMilton | Salut |
| 17:07.12 | SSJ_GZ | CRXLNX: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Is_KDE4_faster_or_slower_than_KDE3.3F |
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| 17:08.22 | CRXLNX | thanks again |
| 17:08.26 | mfwitten | Goodness.... They crypto configuration window refuses to get small enough to fit inside my 1600x1200 screen |
| 17:08.36 | mfwitten | Can I force resizing a window? |
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| 17:08.56 | annma | what application is that? |
| 17:08.56 | webustany | hi there |
| 17:09.10 | annma | mfwitten: what application is this dialog in? |
| 17:09.43 | CRXLNX | I never had issue with kde gobbling ram (just firefox) but I was curious |
| 17:10.02 | mfwitten | KDE menu > Settings > Security & Privacy > Crypto (or in Konqueror's Configuration) |
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| 17:10.21 | annma | it does not fit in 166x1200? |
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| 17:11.02 | mfwitten | Hmmm. Weird. I quit the Konqueror instance and now that (seemingly unrelated) Cryto program is fine. |
| 17:11.30 | mfwitten | annma: Although I did remove a certificate first. I'll add it again first |
| 17:11.31 | annma | mfwitten: it fits here in 1280x800 |
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| 17:12.49 | now3d | can anyone test a crash for me on a KDE4? |
| 17:13.37 | mfwitten | annma: Yeah, the certificate is the problem. When there is a certificate in the "Your Certificates" tab, the window becomes way too wide |
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| 17:13.59 | now3d | 1) Run KDE system settings. |
| 17:13.59 | now3d | 2) Click "Monitor & Display" |
| 17:13.59 | now3d | 3) Click "Keyboard & Mouse" (before the Monitor & Display section loads!) |
| 17:13.59 | now3d | 4) Crash!! |
| 17:14.47 | annma | now3d: in kde4? |
| 17:15.02 | now3d | annma: yes please. I've only got an older build |
| 17:15.03 | annma | now3d: I mean in kde4 trunk? |
| 17:15.10 | now3d | annma: yes, that is fine |
| 17:15.55 | annma | Display tehn i come back with Overview, right? |
| 17:16.05 | annma | before it loads? |
| 17:16.20 | annma | I can't |
| 17:16.33 | now3d | annma: don't need to come back. jyust do (2) then (3) imediately together |
| 17:16.42 | annma | now3d: I cannot click on another item after I clicked on Display |
| 17:16.49 | annma | it just goes to Display |
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| 17:16.57 | sh4rm4 | how can i adapt the clicking behaviour of kde ? like one click selects, double click runs something |
| 17:17.16 | annma | now3d: impossible here |
| 17:17.17 | now3d | annma: if you do it quick... you can in.. KDE 3.5.8 |
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| 17:17.29 | annma | now3d: in 3.4.8 tehre's no System Settings |
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| 17:18.05 | now3d | annma: it says System setting 0.2 (Using KDE 3.5.8) |
| 17:18.15 | annma | now3d: KUbuntu then? |
| 17:18.29 | Sho_ | now3d: You're using Kubuntu's System Settings app, which isn't made by KDE |
| 17:18.33 | now3d | annma: yes. Btw. I wait 1sec before performing action (3) |
| 17:18.37 | annma | this is not from KDE but has been added by KUbuntu now3d |
| 17:18.47 | annma | report to #kubuntu then |
| 17:18.59 | annma | now3d: there's no way to reproduce with KDE 4 here |
| 17:19.14 | now3d | annma: ah sorry.. it said it was by KDE.. and should report bugs to KDE.. |
| 17:19.29 | annma | NO |
| 17:19.31 | now3d | annma: ok, let's leave it then... i perfer to go to KDE4 soon.. |
| 17:19.45 | annma | distros are so evil |
| 17:19.51 | annma | who is the maintainer then? |
| 17:19.56 | now3d | Benjimin |
| 17:20.01 | annma | ? |
| 17:20.09 | annma | no other name? |
| 17:20.09 | now3d | Benjamin C Meyer |
| 17:20.13 | pinotree | nah |
| 17:20.17 | annma | ah |
| 17:20.21 | annma | bah |
| 17:20.29 | annma | pinotree: I am asking in KUbuntu 3.5 |
| 17:20.31 | now3d | (c) 2005, Benjamin C. Meyer |
| 17:20.34 | pinotree | i know |
| 17:20.37 | pinotree | he's not |
| 17:20.41 | annma | now3d: this guy did that stuff then left |
| 17:20.47 | annma | he was not? |
| 17:20.55 | annma | so why is there his name? |
| 17:21.01 | now3d | it says that after the KDE bug reporting line.. |
| 17:21.14 | now3d | ok, let's leave it.. thanks for your help |
| 17:21.44 | annma | System settings has been improved a bit now3d in kde 4 |
| 17:21.50 | annma | but still it sucks |
| 17:22.02 | Sho_ | a lot less than the KDE 3 version though |
| 17:22.23 | now3d | is there a "sound recorder" available as part of KDE? |
| 17:22.35 | annma | well yes. In fact some modules suck, which are not System Settings |
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| 17:25.45 | mfwitten | I've got a personal certificate working perfectly in FireFox. I dont' want to use Firefox, but the Konqueror's not tangoing with the certificate-generating server properly. From FF, I export the certificate, which requires me to put a password on it. I then import this certificate into Konqueror, put in the password and it seems to load. I'm asked if I want to make it available to Kmail, so I say yes, but Kleopatra says it can't decrypt it. Oh well... I' |
| 17:25.45 | mfwitten | ve got it in konqueror at least. I quit Konqueror just for good measure, open up a new instance and go to a site that requires the certificate, but...... It doesn't work. AAAAaaargh! How do I get certificates working in Konqueror? I hate Firefox's sluggishness, so help me out here. |
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| 17:27.21 | webustany | do you know how I can tell kdelibs from svn to use a special folder for Qt ? I have 4.3 system wide and 4.4beta in a special dir ? |
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| 17:27.47 | pinotree | make sure the right qmake is first in $PATH |
| 17:27.55 | webustany | oh ok |
| 17:28.19 | webustany | thanks |
| 17:28.47 | mfwitten | Old Man time raps his cane on my door.... later |
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| 17:35.25 | kyron | ahoy: running 3.5.8 here and I can't seem to get icon preview working under konqueror (but it works for me O_o)...is there a checklist of the 1001 options that have to be aligned correctly to get icon previews? here are the ones I thought of: 1- file access rights, 2- max file preview size, 3- View -> View Mode -> Icon View, 4- View -> Preview -> Images is selected ... |
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| 17:38.38 | utopia_ | can anyone recommened a good GUI tool for burning CD's? |
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| 17:38.43 | pinotree | k3b |
| 17:38.48 | utopia_ | thanks |
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| 17:44.06 | kyron | sigh...found it...I have to enable ALL local metadata (even though images isn't part of the list)... |
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| 17:49.28 | ebischoff | A verification for a book I'm currently writing: |
| 17:49.40 | ebischoff | KParts runs now on top of DBus, right ? |
| 17:49.51 | pinotree | nope |
| 17:50.10 | ebischoff | hi pino. it used to run on top of dcop, no ? |
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| 17:50.18 | pinotree | nope |
| 17:50.22 | ebischoff | ok |
| 17:50.47 | ebischoff | but when an application communicates with another one, how do they communicate ? |
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| 17:50.54 | ebischoff | just library calls ? |
| 17:51.10 | ebischoff | s/communicates with/embeds into/ |
| 17:51.33 | pinotree | what do you mean? |
| 17:51.57 | pinotree | a kpart is just a library exposing a factory function to return a new instance of a part object |
| 17:52.06 | ebischoff | application A (kwriter) is embedded into application B (kpresenter), for example |
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| 17:52.19 | ebischoff | ok so it's just library calls |
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| 17:52.29 | pinotree | when someone wants to embed some kpart, just load its library, then take its widgets and plug it somewhere |
| 17:52.43 | ebischoff | i thought it had to do with IPC |
| 17:52.51 | ebischoff | ok thanks for the answers, pino |
| 17:53.03 | pinotree | or use some kpart facility (eg KPart::MainWindow) to embed the kpart making use of menu & toolbar merging, etc |
| 17:54.28 | ebischoff | yes sure |
| 17:54.40 | ebischoff | i am currently chatting with a gnome developper |
| 17:54.52 | ebischoff | (who would prefer to remain anonymous ;-) ) |
| 17:55.34 | ebischoff | who is wondering what best way could there be for them to replace bonobo with something that could be maximally compatible with a) kparts b) dbus |
| 17:56.02 | ebischoff | yes some developers care about compatibility & interoperability ;-) |
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| 17:56.45 | webustany | hi, I've a weird problem trying to build kde from source |
| 17:57.02 | webustany | cmake tells me kdelibs requires an out of source build |
| 17:57.10 | webustany | and I AM in a separate folder |
| 17:57.15 | webustany | not in the source tree |
| 17:57.26 | ebischoff | pinotree: any suggestion ? |
| 17:57.35 | pinotree | you probably have some stuff left from running cmake in a srcdir==builddir attempt |
| 17:57.44 | webustany | oh, maybe |
| 17:57.45 | pinotree | cd $srcdir ; svn status |
| 17:57.57 | pinotree | ebischoff: hm, not sure |
| 17:58.18 | webustany | pinotree: hmmm you're right, thanks :) |
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| 18:02.51 | ebischoff | ok pinotree, I told him to ask his questions on kde-devel when he jumps into that project |
| 18:02.58 | ebischoff | best i could do |
| 18:02.59 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
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| 18:04.51 | killown | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.21 | rysiek|pl | guys, is there a way to: 1. change the position of the new Plasma panel kicker replacement (i.e. for it to be on the top screen edge)? 2. is there a way to change it's size? |
| 18:06.47 | rysiek|pl | I am delving through the faq's in the topic, but they still concern KDE 3.x |
| 18:07.04 | fredmorcos | i know it's possible to change it's size in kde svn |
| 18:07.22 | fredmorcos | don't know about the position yet... never heard of it though |
| 18:07.33 | rysiek|pl | darn |
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| 18:07.54 | rysiek|pl | so, kde4 is stable, you say? ;) |
| 18:08.06 | fredmorcos | what? |
| 18:08.44 | rysiek|pl | jesting |
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| 18:08.48 | Sput | rysiek|pl: nobody says that |
| 18:09.04 | killown | kde4 have many bugs |
| 18:09.08 | rysiek|pl | um. I mean "stable" as in "not beta/rc anymore" |
| 18:09.20 | killown | as xchat + tray |
| 18:09.22 | rysiek|pl | not "stable" as in "does not crash too often" |
| 18:09.29 | fredmorcos | kde4 is not beta anymore, but it's unstable/unusable |
| 18:09.40 | rysiek|pl | ah |
| 18:09.48 | Sput | rysiek|pl: it doesn't crash for me, in fact I run it as a quite stable desktop |
| 18:09.54 | Sput | but it's missing features and applications :) |
| 18:10.00 | rysiek|pl | Sput: precisely :) |
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| 18:10.17 | Sput | the stuff that's there runs quite well |
| 18:10.22 | rysiek|pl | true |
| 18:10.39 | killown | dolphin is more sluggish |
| 18:11.05 | Sput | and regarding your question, panel can be resized in svn, and I think they backported it to 4.0.1 or 4.0.2 |
| 18:11.19 | SSJ_GZ | fredmorcos: The panel can indeed be re-positioned in SVN :) |
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| 18:11.27 | rysiek|pl | meh, one thing I can say for sure, I don't really like dolphin, konqueror FTW |
| 18:11.28 | Sho_ | It's been backported to 4.0.2 |
| 18:11.31 | rysiek|pl | ok |
| 18:11.42 | fredmorcos | SSJ_GZ: coolness |
| 18:11.48 | Sput | and the position can be changed as well |
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| 18:12.00 | rysiek|pl | so, basically, for day-to-day production use one should wait for kde 4.1? |
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| 18:12.48 | Sput | rysiek|pl: I've been running kde4 from svn as my day-to-day production desktop since new year's |
| 18:12.50 | Sput | so it definitely is possible |
| 18:12.52 | Sput | but if you can do it depends on what you need |
| 18:12.56 | fredmorcos | SSJ_GZ: coolness |
| 18:12.58 | Sput | if the apps you use are stable enough |
| 18:12.58 | fredmorcos | i'm happy with kdemod for now |
| 18:13.14 | rysiek|pl | ok |
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| 18:13.48 | Sput | and if you can tolerate the occasional quirk :) |
| 18:13.53 | Sput | but trying does not hurt anyway, most distros should provide a sane way of trying out KDE4 without removing KDE3 |
| 18:14.18 | fredmorcos | though moving from gtk to qt4 |
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| 18:16.35 | rysiek|pl | Sput: yeah, just installed kubuntu hardy-kde4 alpha1 |
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| 18:18.15 | blue|palm | is there any reason why kate-kde4 doesn't have python indentation support? |
| 18:18.29 | xRaich[o]2x | Hi, can kate-kde4 do code completition for C++? |
| 18:18.39 | blue|palm | xRaich[o]2x, no... |
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| 18:19.14 | rysiek|pl | Sput: and yes, I do tollerate occasional quirks - I have been among *the* early adpoters of compiz/beryl (to the point of writing my own crash-handling scripts) - and *believe* me, kde4 is granite-rock-with-titanium-hardenings-solid ;) |
| 18:19.30 | rysiek|pl | ...compared to compiz/beryl when I jumped that train |
| 18:19.49 | Sput | yah :) |
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| 18:20.45 | xRaich[o]2x | blue|palm: Thanks. Any idea when kdevelop4 comes out? |
| 18:20.48 | Sput | actually I can't remember a single crash of KDE4 as a whole |
| 18:20.50 | Sput | I had kwin and plasma failing occasionally, reloading themselves instantly so it didn't hurt |
| 18:21.11 | blue|palm | xRaich[o]2x, sorry no, it seems that might take a while though |
| 18:21.30 | blue|palm | xRaich[o]2x, it is this year though |
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| 18:22.00 | xRaich[o]2x | blue|palm: Ah ok. |
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| 18:24.14 | MasseR | Is kopete supposed to take an insane amount of cputime? |
| 18:24.16 | MasseR | Like 75% |
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| 18:26.10 | rysiek|pl | oh, OMT: does anybody use compiz with kde4? :) |
| 18:27.24 | apokryphos | MasseR: when? Normal running? Starting up? |
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| 18:32.36 | MasseR | apokryphos: Normal running |
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| 18:33.06 | apokryphos | MasseR: nope, it shouldn't. KDE3 kopete? |
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| 18:33.49 | MasseR | apokryphos: yep |
| 18:34.18 | apokryphos | MasseR: tell the guys in #kopete |
| 18:34.40 | MasseR | Ok |
| 18:35.13 | EvanR | how is kde4 coming along |
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| 18:36.14 | apokryphos | EvanR: ok, many apps getting ported. Waiting on plasma now mainly, personally |
| 18:36.16 | sh4rm4 | how can i mount the sd-card i just put in my laptop-builtin sd-card reader ? |
| 18:36.36 | apokryphos | sh4rm4: better to ask in #yourdistro |
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| 18:36.58 | sh4rm4 | good idea... |
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| 18:39.02 | memunkey | ... |
| 18:39.08 | bambin | Привет вÑем! |
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| 18:39.25 | bambin | Hallo everybody |
| 18:40.03 | apokryphos | EvanR: try out the live CD for yourself if you like though |
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| 18:40.25 | memunkey | I need a pastebin... pastebin.ca is down... any alternatives? |
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| 18:40.38 | rysiek|pl | priviet, bambin. kak diela v Rossiyi? |
| 18:40.39 | apokryphos | !pastebin @ em |
| 18:40.52 | apokryphos | !pastebin @ memunkey |
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| 18:41.18 | apokryphos | SUSEhelp died? |
| 18:41.34 | rysiek|pl | long live ubuntu help :) |
| 18:41.43 | apokryphos | memunkey: rafb.net/paste/ |
| 18:41.59 | rysiek|pl | apokryphos: what exactly in Plasma are you waiting for? |
| 18:42.15 | apokryphos | d'oh, thought I was in the wrong channel again 8) |
| 18:42.25 | memunkey | thanks apokryphos |
| 18:42.33 | rysiek|pl | sed 's/ubuntu/kubuntu/' |
| 18:43.11 | bambin | Ne poymu kak polzovatjsa konversation! Privet Ya iz Ukraine!!! |
| 18:43.49 | apokryphos | rysiek|pl: stability, moving applets on panel, plasma multi-screen support, non-confusing icon implementation, etc |
| 18:43.59 | rysiek|pl | yup, same here |
| 18:45.05 | rysiek|pl | bambin: eta anglijskojazic'nyi kanal, nieznayu rossijskoyazic'nogo |
| 18:45.49 | LjL | apokryphos: oh, you're working on stability... that explains a lot of things :> |
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| 18:46.37 | apokryphos | LjL: how are you doing? :) |
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| 18:46.51 | yeltsinator | anyone know how to fix this error? : http://pastebin.com/m4493d755 |
| 18:47.00 | LjL | apokryphos: ok, just came back from some skiing. you? |
| 18:47.12 | apokryphos | rysiek|pl: terribly abusive |
| 18:47.12 | yeltsinator | ^GDB output from amarok, but it's the same for everthing kde |
| 18:47.26 | apokryphos | LjL: wow, just gearing up for intense revision :/ |
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| 18:47.35 | rysiek|pl | apokryphos: there was supposed to be a ';)' at the end |
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| 18:47.50 | theunixgeek | Do they have a KDE 4 version of Konversation yet? |
| 18:47.56 | LjL | nope |
| 18:47.58 | theunixgeek | drat |
| 18:48.31 | apokryphos | rysiek|pl: I know, I'm just kidding too 8) |
| 18:48.32 | theunixgeek | Is there a way to officially join the KDE dev team? |
| 18:48.50 | rysiek|pl | you've earned it :P |
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| 18:49.31 | SSJ_GZ | theunixgeek: Submit great patches :) |
| 18:49.33 | apokryphos | theunixgeek: if you contribute patches and show an interest in helping an area of kde then you can apply for an svn account |
| 18:49.45 | theunixgeek | ok |
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| 18:50.03 | apokryphos | no time wasting 8) |
| 18:52.00 | nixternal | anyone notice KDE 4 freezing when using Konsole/Yakuake on a 64-bit install? |
| 18:53.03 | memunkey | nixternal, I can't even build 64-bit |
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| 18:58.01 | SSJ_GZ | nixternal: ruphy has seen X crashes with Yakuake. |
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| 18:58.43 | nixternal | I haven't gotten an X crash...I am wondering though if this crash is related to the crappy fglrx driver in Ubuntu |
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| 19:00.45 | militante | guys do you know where nepomuk is saving the tags and comments info !? |
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| 19:01.29 | ZenWalker | hi,,, my plasma workspace crashes every time i login. I found this bug registered in KDE bug tracking system : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158423 They say it has been resolved, but I could not find the solution. Please help. |
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| 19:02.55 | militante | nobody knows ? |
| 19:03.49 | apokryphos | ZenWalker: update your kde4 snapshot |
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| 19:04.09 | ZenWalker | apokryphos, which packages |
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| 19:04.15 | ZenWalker | i just updated |
| 19:04.32 | ZenWalker | no improvement |
| 19:04.34 | apokryphos | ZenWalker: -> #suse |
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| 19:11.29 | martijn81 | ZenWalker: plasma crashes here too |
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| 19:11.48 | martijn81 | ZenWalker: under kubuntu that is, if i do not disable composite effect blur |
| 19:12.15 | nakee | which kde program ask me if I want to open the file manager when I enter cdrom or dok? |
| 19:13.29 | rysiek|pl | cu all |
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| 19:16.57 | Arelis_ | What do you guys think of mandriva? |
| 19:17.14 | martijn81 | it's a choice |
| 19:17.34 | pinotree | Arelis_: #mandriva, or ##linux |
| 19:17.58 | pinotree | asking every day about a different distro here is NOT an option, really |
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| 19:32.36 | thiago_home | nakee: Solid (KDE4) |
| 19:33.24 | nakee | thiago_home: that part of my desktop is still in kde3:/ |
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| 19:34.15 | thiago_home | then the mediamanager (it's a kded module) |
| 19:34.15 | nakee | I can't get the pop on disk on key insert to work |
| 19:37.14 | nakee | hmpf it doesn't seems to react to new dok.. |
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| 19:40.17 | nakee | ha fixed |
| 19:40.25 | nakee | (strace is the best command ever) |
| 19:42.16 | thiago_home | one of :-) |
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| 19:46.01 | nakee | thiago_home: not only it helps with debuging running programs it also makes you feel like a l33t h4x0r;) |
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| 19:48.10 | heinkel_111 | hello, I have a problem with opening http links in kde (konqueror, gwenview +?? ) |
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| 19:48.40 | heinkel_111 | when I enter the link + return my machine freezes up a short time afterwards |
| 19:48.55 | heinkel_111 | most of the time some of the page will load |
| 19:48.59 | heinkel_111 | seldom all of it |
| 19:49.03 | feindbild | nakee: or wonder exactly how many stat calls a kde3 app can make when starting ^^ |
| 19:49.13 | heinkel_111 | the problem appears to be user-account specific |
| 19:49.25 | thiago_home | nakee: tcpdump is also good :-) |
| 19:49.51 | heinkel_111 | i am on kubuntu 7.10, running kde 3.5.8, and I don't dare the version number for konqueror |
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| 19:50.03 | Diavolo | Hi |
| 19:50.04 | heinkel_111 | don't dare to check |
| 19:50.05 | Diavolo | I need help with kmenu |
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| 19:50.18 | Diavolo | i have thousands of items and I can't delete them or change them |
| 19:50.23 | Diavolo | it seems that kde4 has broken it |
| 19:50.33 | Diavolo | I am using kde 3.5.9 |
| 19:50.40 | nakee | feindbild: we had a problem like that once, when we loaded kde based diskless computers. It seems not only to stat on load but also to check new icons and stuff all the time |
| 19:50.52 | nakee | was hard to find how to disable it |
| 19:51.01 | feindbild | nakee: how do you? |
| 19:51.24 | Arelis_ | pinotree: Hmm.. yeah, but i mean, compared to the vanilla KDE, do you think it sucks or that it's good? that's not something that i ask in #mandriva - i would get a plain "yes" |
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| 19:53.50 | heinkel_111 | which kde components are involved in loading a webpage url and what parts of that is user-specific? |
| 19:54.36 | nakee | feindbild: eush.. I don't really remember anymore.. |
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| 19:55.20 | feindbild | nakee: ^^ that would be nice to know. I imagine it would cut quite a bit off the startup time ... |
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| 19:59.22 | militante | does browsing sabma shares with dolphin works ? |
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| 19:59.40 | militante | when i type smb:// it says malformed url |
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| 20:01.04 | thiago_home | militante: smb:/ |
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| 20:01.32 | Diavolo | please help me :( |
| 20:01.59 | smurfslover | what's up Diavolo |
| 20:02.14 | Diavolo | i can't change anything in my menu |
| 20:02.17 | militante | now it crashes :( Iam using svn btw |
| 20:02.20 | Diavolo | i save my changes, but the menu remains |
| 20:02.28 | Diavolo | it has many entries, many entries are double |
| 20:02.31 | Diavolo | or without icons |
| 20:03.01 | militante | so is konqueror |
| 20:03.12 | nakee | Diavolo: did you try erasing your configuration directory? |
| 20:03.17 | Diavolo | no |
| 20:03.24 | Diavolo | .config you mean? |
| 20:03.28 | nakee | Diavolo: .kde |
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| 20:03.40 | feindbild | don't erase, move |
| 20:03.41 | heinkel_111 | nakee: not recommended, see topic |
| 20:03.47 | pinotree | and wrong directory |
| 20:03.49 | Diavolo | my whole .kde? |
| 20:03.57 | pinotree | .config or .local is the right one for menus |
| 20:03.59 | Diavolo | well i don't want to set up everything new |
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| 20:05.30 | Diavolo | hm |
| 20:05.45 | Diavolo | now the menu and the menu in kmenuedit are different |
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| 20:05.50 | nakee | feindbild: oh sorry, I keep erasing it while playing around but I guess you are right and some people are more attached to their configuration |
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| 20:06.58 | nakee | pinotree: hmm, I thought the xdg menu is there and the cache is in .kde? |
| 20:07.07 | pinotree | no, .local |
| 20:07.27 | Diavolo | so i erase .local and .config? |
| 20:07.37 | pinotree | move away for now |
| 20:07.43 | Diavolo | and then restart? |
| 20:08.23 | heinkel_111 | someone here that can help me figure out why konqueror freezes when loading a webpage url? |
| 20:08.46 | heinkel_111 | gwenview does the same |
| 20:09.16 | nakee | Diavolo: erasing your .config will remove the configuration of every program that goes by the fd.o standard. Not only kde but also gnome and xfce programs for example |
| 20:09.24 | heinkel_111 | there must be some user-account specific common kde configuration that is used on webpage loading but destroyed on my account |
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| 20:10.02 | nakee | heinkel_111: does the site has some special content? like flash or java or something? |
| 20:10.19 | heinkel_111 | nakee: no |
| 20:10.21 | Diavolo | nakee: Hm, i only want to edit my kmenu :( |
| 20:10.31 | heinkel_111 | nakee: it is with any site |
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| 20:11.07 | nakee | Diavolo: ~/.config/menus maybe? |
| 20:11.25 | cilugnedon | Hello. I need some with displaying characters in konqueror. Firefox displays the rightarrow one can find on wikipedia pages. But konqueror does not. What has to be changed? |
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| 20:11.43 | Diavolo | i have deleted that file nakee, but nothing changed |
| 20:12.17 | heinkel_111 | is kio_httprc responsible for the loading of webpage url*s? |
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| 20:13.40 | sh4rm4 | what needs to be done that my Konversation nicklist looks like here: http://konversation.kde.org/screenshots/konversation10_2.png |
| 20:14.07 | sh4rm4 | now it shows this O syymbols |
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| 20:14.12 | cilugnedon | The characters are displayed as small squares in konqueror |
| 20:14.28 | pinotree | sh4rm4: select another theme in the settings? |
| 20:14.56 | heinkel_111 | I will try to move kio_httprc to old_kio_httprc and if you don't hear any more messages from me, my system froze up again and I am taking one hour off! |
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| 20:15.30 | nakee | sh4rm4: that is the default theme.. |
| 20:15.51 | nakee | I used to like it |
| 20:15.52 | heinkel_111 | loaded www.kde.org and still able to use my computer...maybe one step forward! |
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| 20:16.03 | nakee | but then I couldn't remember which one is which mode:) |
| 20:16.21 | sh4rm4 | pinotree, nakee: theres no option to change the theme |
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| 20:16.37 | pinotree | sh4rm4: have you opened the settings? |
| 20:16.43 | nakee | sh4rm4: settings->configure conversation |
| 20:17.01 | nakee | then interface->nicklist themes |
| 20:17.07 | nakee | sh4rm4: then chose simplistic |
| 20:17.15 | heinkel_111 | however, clicking on links inside konqueror leads me nowhere? |
| 20:17.22 | sh4rm4 | ahhhhhhh i c |
| 20:17.25 | sh4rm4 | thx ;) |
| 20:17.33 | heinkel_111 | that was an interesting development |
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| 20:35.38 | cilugnedon | Has nobody any idea how to get rid off the character squares in konqueror rendered webpages? The same page is working in firefox, but in konqueror. I use kde 3.5.8 on gentoo. |
| 20:36.10 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: install the missing fonts. |
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| 20:44.17 | theunixgeek | How can I get more color schemes? A bunch of mine apparently disappeared. |
| 20:44.35 | feindbild | theunixgeek: kde-look.org |
| 20:44.44 | cilugnedon | thiago_home, The fonts are installed. It's working in firefox with the same fonts. |
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| 20:55.58 | mfwitten | Hi there. KMail's filters a little bit weird. ^J runs the filters on the currently selected message and that seems to work fine, but when multiple messages are selected, only the top one get's manipulated; the others have their text struck through (as though deleted), yet they appear as normal when I deselect the inbox and then reselect it. In short: How do I use these filters? They are very unintuitive. |
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| 20:57.18 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: it's not the proper font |
| 20:57.41 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: either the page is using characters that your font doesn't have |
| 20:57.47 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: or it's using a font that you don't have. |
| 20:58.16 | mfwitten | KMail: "you cannot, currently use IMAP folders as a target." However, I have been using IMAP targets and it seems to work just fine (for one message at a time). |
| 20:58.27 | mfwitten | Do people actually use KMail here? |
| 20:58.59 | cilugnedon | thiago_home, Ok. But why does firefox display it correctly using the same font? |
| 20:59.11 | cilugnedon | thiago_home, I don't understand that. |
| 20:59.12 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: because it has a different font rendering engine |
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| 20:59.23 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: that means it can find character replacements that Konqueror (3) cannot. |
| 20:59.34 | thiago_home | cilugnedon: try upgrading to Konqueror 4 (from KDE 4) and see if the problem goes away. |
| 20:59.57 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Do you use KMail? |
| 21:00.00 | thiago_home | mfwitten: yes |
| 21:00.31 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Do you use filters? |
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| 21:01.32 | thiago_home | mfwitten: sieve filters. |
| 21:01.39 | thiago_home | mfwitten: I do have one KMail filter. |
| 21:01.52 | aurius | Hi all. everytime I click on a link a new tab gets opened in Konqueror |
| 21:02.16 | aurius | I would like to have the webpage loaded in the current/active tab |
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| 21:02.27 | mfwitten | thiago_home: So the trick is to use a specialized tool? |
| 21:02.41 | thiago_home | mfwitten: yes. It's called "IMAP server". |
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| 21:03.01 | aurius | playing around with the settings did not help :-| |
| 21:03.24 | mfwitten | thiago_home: I can't tell if you're trying to be helpful or condescending. What do you mean? |
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| 21:03.40 | thiago_home | mfwitten: my IMAP server does all the filtering for me. |
| 21:03.57 | mfwitten | So condescending... |
| 21:03.59 | thiago_home | mfwitten: I don't need KMail's filtering mechanism. |
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| 21:04.26 | thiago_home | mfwitten: because sieve is more powerful, uses less bandwidth, doesn't depend on my mail client being running. |
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| 21:05.43 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Unfortunately, I don't have access to the mail server |
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| 21:06.38 | thiago_home | mfwitten: but if they're running Cyrus as their IMAP server, you should have access to sieve filters already. |
| 21:06.53 | thiago_home | mfwitten: you did hear me saying I had one KMail filter rule, right? |
| 21:07.16 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Yes, but that didn't seem promising ;-) Can you filter multiple messages at once? |
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| 21:07.50 | thiago_home | mfwitten: yes... I mean, each message is filtered individually, but you can select multiple messages and press Ctrl+J |
| 21:07.52 | cilugnedon | thechef, Well. Upgrade to konqueror 4 is not an option for me at the moment. |
| 21:08.12 | cilugnedon | thechef, Sorry. Was meant for thiago_home |
| 21:08.32 | cilugnedon | thiago_home, I guess I have to keep living with the squares :-( |
| 21:08.45 | mfwitten | thiago_home: When I try to do that, the first one is filtered and then rest are struck through (as though deleted). I can only access the struck through ones again by switching out of the folder and back into it. |
| 21:10.01 | thiago_home | mfwitten: I have never seen that issue. |
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| 21:13.50 | mfwitten | OY!!!! I can't take it! This is most frustrating |
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| 21:16.57 | zsz | how do I get java support for konqueror? I have the "enable java globally" checkbox ticked and the path to executable is set to "java". www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml doesn't show that java would be enabled |
| 21:17.21 | mfwitten | thiago_home: It's this damned lack of IMAP target folder support. |
| 21:17.43 | mfwitten | thiago_home: I'll bet you a million dollars your one filter doesn't move any messages to an IMAP folder |
| 21:17.50 | thiago_home | mfwitten: it does |
| 21:18.00 | thiago_home | mfwitten: to my Disconnected IMAP's Inbox |
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| 21:18.09 | Nanorod | hello :) |
| 21:18.12 | thiago_home | in fact, from one dimap's inbox to another's. |
| 21:18.26 | mfwitten | I don't know what a disconnected IMAP mailbox is |
| 21:18.28 | Nanorod | is there a tool to manage user sessions in kde? Like a window where root can close sessions of other users, and the like |
| 21:18.36 | thiago_home | mfwitten: the opposite of Online IMAP |
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| 21:18.48 | thiago_home | mfwitten: when you create an account, you have the option to choose between those two. |
| 21:19.15 | mfwitten | thiago_home: I saw that, but it seemed quite silly. In fact, it doesn't make any sense. I shall read about it presently. |
| 21:19.57 | thiago_home | mfwitten: disconnected IMAP works even if you're disconnected from the server |
| 21:20.00 | thiago_home | mfwitten: it keeps a cache |
| 21:20.10 | thiago_home | mfwitten: Online IMAP only works online |
| 21:20.33 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Maybe that's the key then. |
| 21:20.45 | mfwitten | thiago_home: I imagine that it syncs with the server though at some point? |
| 21:21.32 | aurius | zsz, is the java runtime environment installed on your system? |
| 21:21.55 | thiago_home | mfwitten: yes |
| 21:21.59 | thiago_home | mfwitten: just like POP3 |
| 21:22.21 | zsz | aurius: java -version gives "Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-03)" |
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| 21:23.46 | pinotree | zsz: that applet does not load here, but java is configured |
| 21:24.16 | Nanorod | is there a tool to manage user sessions in kde? Like a window where root can close sessions of other users, and the like. Or a shell command, though the former would be ways better. |
| 21:24.31 | pinotree | uhm, java applets do not work anymore... :S |
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| 21:26.54 | aurius | in my case the java applet is successfully shown using the link that zsz has posted here. using konqueror 4.0.1 |
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| 21:28.29 | aurius | zsz, do you have also installed the "plugin" package? |
| 21:28.47 | zsz | aurius: checking |
| 21:28.55 | aurius | e.g. "sun-java5-plugin" |
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| 21:29.42 | zsz | aurius: nope, don't have that |
| 21:29.56 | zsz | but neither does anyone else with amd64 architecture |
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| 21:30.25 | Nanorod | is there a tool to manage user sessions in kde? Like a window where root can close sessions of other users, and the like. Or a shell command, though the former would be ways better. |
| 21:30.30 | mfwitten | thiago_home: I think that was the key. KMail is currently downloading (caching) all of the email and then I can give these filters a go. |
| 21:31.07 | zsz | aurius: I thought konqueror didn't use the plugin |
| 21:31.11 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Apple Mail automatically uses dimap accounts, and there was never a choice I had to be aware about. |
| 21:31.30 | zsz | aurius: and accessed java directly |
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| 21:32.52 | mfwitten | thiago_home: With normal (online) IMAP, deleted messages would be downloaded and stuck in a local trash folder; this was unnecessarily slow. I imagine that the cached IMAP folders react more quickly? |
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| 21:36.08 | thiago_home | mfwitten: yes |
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| 21:36.19 | thiago_home | mfwitten: KMail shouldn't need a choice |
| 21:36.35 | thiago_home | mfwitten: but when IMAP support was first written many years ago, it only supported online IMAP |
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| 21:36.49 | thiago_home | mfwitten: the dimap support is more recent and still slightly incomplete |
| 21:37.13 | mfwitten | thiago_home: I see. |
| 21:37.21 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Thanks for the help. |
| 21:37.40 | thiago_home | you're welcome |
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| 22:21.35 | mfwitten | thiago_home: Nice! Filtering works like a charm. |
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| 22:27.21 | Muad`dib | is there a way to regenerate the kmenu from scratch (to make it redetect all apps in it) ? |
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| 22:31.54 | PhilRod | Muad`dib: rename ~/.config, run kbuildsycoca and try again (for kde3 at least) |
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| 22:32.46 | Muad`dib | thank you PhilRod, i'll let you know if this work for me :) |
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| 22:35.19 | jonsmith1982 | how can i change the cursor theme in kdm? |
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| 22:38.26 | PhilRod | jonsmith1982: my guess would be that it uses the settings for root, but I've never really found out |
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| 22:38.58 | jonsmith1982 | doesnt use the setting for root. |
| 22:39.08 | PhilRod | ok |
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| 22:43.31 | Y-Town | I am getting ready to edit my menus in kde and was wondering if there is a file I can backup before I start incase I want to go back to the way it currently is? |
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| 22:44.25 | PhilRod | Y-Town: ~/.config should do it |
| 22:44.44 | PhilRod | (actually ~/.config/menus/application-kmenuedit.menu I think) |
| 22:45.05 | Y-Town | PhilRod: thank you |
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| 22:46.57 | Nanorod | is there a tool to manage user sessions in kde? Like a window where root can close sessions of other users, and the like. Or a shell command, though the former would be ways better. |
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| 22:47.54 | Ringwraith` | kill |
| 22:49.20 | Y-Town | PhilRod: nothing there :o( |
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| 22:53.11 | fiendishfish | With konqueror, when you look at the SIZE bar for a size of a folder, it shows the size of the folder, not the files in it, is there a way to change this? |
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| 22:54.09 | Nanorod | Ringwraith`: talking to me? |
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| 22:54.28 | Ringwraith` | yes |
| 22:54.30 | Ringwraith` | kill |
| 22:54.31 | Ringwraith` | :) |
| 22:54.36 | Nanorod | Ringwraith`: kill what? |
| 22:54.54 | Ringwraith` | the bash sessions |
| 22:55.14 | Nanorod | and that will bring down the whole kde session for that user? |
| 22:55.22 | fiendishfish | What's a good image viewing simple program, which allows you to cycle through images with the arrows? |
| 22:56.35 | PhilRod | fiendishfish: I think gwenview does |
| 22:56.37 | Nanorod | fiendishfish: kuickshow looks fast to me, altough you have to use pageup/down :) |
| 22:57.11 | fiendishfish | Also, can anyone answer my question earrlyer |
| 22:57.13 | fiendishfish | With konqueror, when you look at the SIZE bar for a size of a folder, it shows the size of the folder, not the files in it, is there a way to change this? |
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| 22:58.20 | Nanorod | fiendishfish: where's that bar? |
| 22:58.32 | fiendishfish | I mean the one in konqueror |
| 22:58.41 | fiendishfish | And it appears in the column aligned with the file |
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| 23:00.01 | Nanorod | ah you have "detailed list" on :) |
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| 23:00.36 | fiendishfish | Yep Nanorod |
| 23:00.42 | fiendishfish | But it doesn't show the size of the contents of the file inside |
| 23:00.54 | fiendishfish | Which I would expect, seeing as the size of the actual FOLDER is pointless. |
| 23:01.02 | Nanorod | fiendishfish: I have no idea about that :-/ |
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