| 00:00.15 | Q-collective | yeah |
| 00:00.30 | Q-collective | there is no fixed order of install for the rest |
| 00:00.57 | Hitstudent | is that true that i need to install the rest? |
| 00:01.10 | Hitstudent | i just guessed |
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| 00:02.16 | Hitstudent | when you start session as kde-devel you see a message that a library on /home/kde-devel/kde/libs/phonon_xine.so missing (smth like that) |
| 00:02.32 | Hitstudent | and 70% of elements are missing |
| 00:03.47 | Hitstudent | what i can think that it doesnt matter after you compile basics in which order you will compile the rest |
| 00:03.58 | Hitstudent | needed parts |
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| 00:11.30 | Hitstudent | Q-collective: thank you anyways |
| 00:11.42 | Hitstudent | good bye |
| 00:11.45 | Q-collective | np |
| 00:11.47 | Q-collective | later |
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| 00:27.05 | Pure | hi :) |
| 00:27.29 | Pure | is there a way for me to pass one of s2ram's options to kpowersave so it uses the command to suspend the machine ? |
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| 00:27.51 | Pure | the default s2ram doesn't work , i need to use s2ram -f a3 |
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| 00:29.13 | Trollinator | are the python bindings for KDE 4 ready? |
| 00:29.47 | Trollinator | ah, never mind. |
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| 00:32.49 | DaveDorm | I am looking for a way to start a second x-session from th command line that also launches kdm |
| 00:32.58 | DaveDorm | I knowhow to do it from the kde3 menus |
| 00:33.05 | DaveDorm | I need to do it from the cli |
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| 00:51.58 | endir | What's the best way to replace KWin with another program? export KDEWM=app doesn't work. And I thought there was a way in ~/.kde/share/config/ |
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| 00:53.07 | luislo | Hi all. Does anybody know how to change the font color in the top menu bar (mac-os style)? |
| 00:53.28 | luislo | I mean the font color of the buttons... |
| 00:56.39 | DaveDorm | I am looking for a way to start a second x-session from th command line that also launches kdm |
| 00:57.31 | DaveDorm | I tried xinit -- :1 from the command line and it does start a session, but I don't know how to start kdm |
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| 01:09.33 | luislo | Hi all. Does anybody know how to change the font color in the top menu bar (mac-os style)?I mean the font color of the buttons... |
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| 02:48.17 | Xinill | Hi |
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| 03:38.03 | js0n | is there no stable package of kdepim 4.0.0 (not kdepimlibs)? |
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| 03:46.29 | Trollinator | js0n: no. |
| 03:46.38 | Trollinator | kdepim will come with KDE 4.1 |
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| 04:13.24 | st | I'm running KDE and KDM 3.5. I can startx to ket KDE up and running from a prompt. However, if I use KDM and enter the corrrect ID and Passwd the login manager blanks out, pauses a few seconds and then returns to the login manager and does not start KDE. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:26.54 | Pure | hi I was wondering how I could go about passing an option to the kpowersave suspend script i know what s2ram options i need just not where to put it so that kpowersave will use it |
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| 04:33.04 | js0n | when i run cmake on kdesdk/script i get: INSTALL PROGRAMS given no DESTINATION! |
| 04:34.13 | js0n | same thing happens when i do: -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/ |
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| 05:03.01 | thomasmatthew | anybody knows a good ssh2 client for fedora |
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| 05:13.27 | Nyle | ssh |
| 05:13.32 | Nyle | openssh-client |
| 05:13.38 | Nyle | its the best |
| 05:13.40 | Nyle | or try putty |
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| 05:14.28 | ___root___ | Im runnin sabayon 64.. has Innotek Vurtual Box installed packed on. Does nothing but time out every time I try to open it. |
| 05:14.32 | ___root___ | anyone? |
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| 05:32.17 | Kyral_Laptop | why would you use Putty on Linux? |
| 05:32.36 | Kyral_Laptop | (or any Unix system that provides openssh) |
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| 05:50.24 | thomasmatthew | ssh; does it user ssh-1 or ssh-2 by default ? |
| 05:50.51 | texnofobix | 2 |
| 05:51.10 | thomasmatthew | ok... was looking for that answer...thanks |
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| 05:57.19 | tomahasamoot | I just started just compiz, which doesn't seem to intgrate well with KDE3.5. Does KDE4.0 slove that problem... or even have it's own built in compiz like features? |
| 05:57.51 | tomahasamoot | s/started just/started using/ |
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| 08:35.44 | *** topic/#kde by annma -> Nokia acquired Trolltech - Open Letter: http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008-letter | KDE 4.0.0 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
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| 08:37.34 | shodan45 | what's the easiest way to make all file associations go back to distro default? (kde 3.5.5/opensuse 10.2) |
| 08:38.57 | shodan45 | also embedding options |
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| 08:43.47 | *** topic/#kde by annma -> Nokia acquired Trolltech - Open Letter: http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008-letter | KDE 4.0.0 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FA |
| 08:44.22 | *** topic/#kde by annma -> Nokia acquired Trolltech - Open Letter: http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008-letter | KDE 4.0.0 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Don't flood the channel, use: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ |
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| 08:53.11 | _daniel__ | i am gonna cut off KDE4 developers balls off i swear to god |
| 08:53.13 | _daniel__ | who ever made that piece of crap |
| 08:53.17 | _daniel__ | fuck |
| 08:53.38 | _daniel__ | fucking brand new bug every day i experience |
| 08:54.04 | _daniel__ | either kwin crashes twice a day, or the keyboard freezes |
| 08:54.31 | annma | how did you install it? |
| 08:54.40 | _daniel__ | manually |
| 08:54.45 | annma | because I use it and even code on it for months |
| 08:54.51 | _daniel__ | oh really |
| 08:55.06 | _daniel__ | wel l i dotn like when all of a sudden my keyboard freezes and because totally unusable (but not the mouse) |
| 08:55.10 | _daniel__ | or the shift key is unusable |
| 08:55.20 | annma | all is functional here |
| 08:55.23 | _daniel__ | or the control key is unusable |
| 08:55.24 | _daniel__ | at random |
| 08:55.28 | annma | did you use techbase doc to build it? |
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| 08:56.28 | _daniel__ | every fycking DAY i have to thrui this crap |
| 08:56.32 | _daniel__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:57.04 | annma | can you be constructive instead of just swearing? |
| 08:57.15 | _daniel__ | kde 4 has not been out for more than a few weeks |
| 08:57.20 | annma | do you want help or not? |
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| 08:57.42 | annma | 4.0.1 is around the corner |
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| 08:57.58 | annma | and if it does not suit your need don't use it |
| 08:58.00 | _daniel__ | i said either the the control key becomes unusable, the shift key becomes unusable or the kleyboard altogether |
| 08:58.01 | kaminix | A lot of bugfixes comming to 4.0.1? |
| 08:58.05 | _daniel__ | or kwin crashes |
| 08:58.08 | annma | kaminix: of course |
| 08:58.15 | kaminix | 4.0.1 was to be released on the 6th, right? |
| 08:58.20 | annma | _daniel__: this is not constructive |
| 08:58.28 | _daniel__ | well what do you want |
| 08:58.37 | annma | did you use techbase doc to build it? |
| 08:58.46 | _daniel__ | i didnt build it |
| 08:58.47 | katana_ | _daniel_, if it keeps crashing, wait for kde 4.0.1 or listen to annma |
| 08:58.50 | _daniel__ | i downloaded the slackware package |
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| 08:58.52 | annma | kaminix: it was tagged yesterday, the rest depends on packagers mainly |
| 08:59.07 | annma | but should be out around the 6th, yes |
| 08:59.54 | kaminix | _daniel__: Instead of just complaining, try and let someone help you fix it. annma has been trying for like 5 minutes but you just keep on swearing over it not working. Besides, didn't they say 4.0.0 was not for the average user? |
| 09:00.07 | kaminix | What exactly does tagging mean? |
| 09:00.38 | _daniel__ | kaminix: i just did what you said twice |
| 09:01.08 | kernco | It means the current versions of the source files are marked as the version 4.0.1 will be built from |
| 09:01.17 | annma | kaminix: that means the source has been freezed and extracted from svn to tarballs |
| 09:01.27 | _daniel__ | i am so sure there are tons of buffer overflows in kde 4 |
| 09:01.29 | annma | freezed/frozen!!! |
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| 09:01.33 | _daniel__ | and integer overflows |
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| 09:01.35 | _daniel__ | i am almost positive |
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| 09:01.40 | kamilkal | hi |
| 09:01.42 | annma | lol _daniel__ |
| 09:01.48 | annma | excellent |
| 09:01.50 | kernco | So any updates after the tagging won't be included until 4.0.2 |
| 09:01.51 | kamilkal | Do you know how to control KDM in KDE4 ? |
| 09:02.06 | kernco | kamilkal, what do you want to do? |
| 09:02.19 | kaminix | annma, In short, the development of KDE 4.0.1 is done, just releasing left? Does it take that long to just package it? :o |
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| 09:02.23 | kamilkal | change the xdm to kdm |
| 09:02.38 | kamilkal | switch form one to another |
| 09:02.55 | annma | kaminix: yes, transforming tarballs in .deb or .rpm is quite a job |
| 09:03.06 | shodan45 | err can anyone help me with my problem way up above? |
| 09:03.06 | kernco | kamilkal, what linux distribution? |
| 09:03.09 | annma | kaminix: and people do that after their regular job |
| 09:03.22 | kamilkal | openSUSE ( they wanted me to join this channel :) ) |
| 09:03.40 | kaminix | annma, I see, I see. :) But the source package is pretty much done then? |
| 09:04.47 | kernco | kamilkal, sorry I've never used a SUSE based distribution. |
| 09:04.54 | kernco | shodan45, what was your problem? |
| 09:05.03 | shodan45 | what's the easiest way to make all file associations go back to distro default? (kde 3.5.5/opensuse 10.2) |
| 09:05.06 | shodan45 | also embedding options |
| 09:05.18 | annma | kaminix: yes although not released, for fairness it's all released altogether |
| 09:05.31 | annma | kaminix: you can get the svn tag if you want the code |
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| 09:05.56 | kernco | Hmm...I'm not sure |
| 09:05.59 | kaminix | Nah, just curious. Won't be using KDE 4 until April, when Kubuntu 8.04 is released. ^^ |
| 09:07.31 | shodan45 | don't know how I've done this, but I have a bunch of file associations going to the wrong place.... pngs open in inkscape, for ex. o_O |
| 09:08.36 | kaminix | Haha shodan45, have fun in the file association settings :P |
| 09:09.55 | shodan45 | also clicking a link in konqueror to a jpg opens up gimp instead of displaying it embedded in konqueror |
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| 09:13.26 | kamilkal | I can only press "Help" and "Default" |
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| 09:14.20 | aditsu | hi, I have 2 computers with gentoo and kde 3.5.7; one one of them, when I right-click an archive in konqueror I have the option to extract it, and on another one I don't have that (I can just open with ark and stuff), what could be the difference? |
| 09:14.37 | aditsu | s/one one/on one |
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| 09:44.54 | aditsu | hi, I have 2 computers with gentoo and kde 3.5.7; on one of them, when I right-click an archive in konqueror I have the option to extract it, and on another one I don't have that (I can just open with ark and stuff), what could be the difference? |
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| 09:47.12 | v1s1t | hey i've gone temporarily stupid please tell me how to change my homepage for firefox |
| 09:47.26 | v1s1t | i've done it before |
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| 09:53.16 | groms | aditsu: you have the option of integrating ark with gentoo when you install it |
| 09:53.23 | groms | its probably in the ark options somewhere |
| 09:53.39 | _daniel__ | ok this is getting annoying.. some retarded feature in KDE is disabling thr ctrl, shift, function, sysrq and caps lock/num lock /screen lock keys |
| 09:53.42 | _daniel__ | and the tab key |
| 09:53.53 | _daniel__ | thats really, really... really really annoying and retarded |
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| 09:58.33 | aditsu | groms: I can't find anything like that; I reinstalled ark too |
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| 10:00.27 | Gearwolf | I found a game that's fun and will run in konqueror |
| 10:00.29 | Gearwolf | http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?biter=Gearwolf |
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| 10:02.15 | Gearwolf | I'm not sure.. |
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| 10:38.12 | ody | hi all, does flash work on konqueror 4.0? |
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| 10:59.09 | ztkz | please... how i can change/replace the icon from 'k menu' ? |
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| 11:04.16 | alex12 | would anyone know any security packages on kde or gnome that would lock a user into only using a specific program, such as a browser, but unable to do anything else? |
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| 11:04.39 | phiqtion | how-to KDE4 on latest Ubuntu? link? |
| 11:04.58 | alex12 | phiqtion, google.com |
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| 11:05.51 | PhilRod | alex12: look up kde's kiosk framework |
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| 11:05.59 | Tidus | alex12: you could always run the browser in kiosk mode without a window manager period |
| 11:06.21 | ztkz | PhilRod: thanks, i found! |
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| 11:06.39 | PhilRod | Odysseas: for user questions, that's here, or if there's a channel for the specific app, ask there |
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| 11:07.05 | alex12 | PhilRod, Tidus thanks |
| 11:07.39 | Odysseas | ok thanks |
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| 11:28.42 | moauud | flea |
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| 11:30.11 | moauud | aditsu |
| 11:30.20 | aditsu | ? |
| 11:30.56 | moauud | why do you love kde ... ? :( |
| 11:32.35 | tuxick | kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::operator+=(): function is severely deprecated. |
| 11:32.42 | tuxick | that's why!! |
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| 11:33.24 | moauud | i love both kde and gnome |
| 11:33.40 | moauud | but i want to use them both |
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| 11:45.01 | slash|crisis | hey everyone :) i upgraded my kubuntus kde to kde4 -> after configuration of second monitor my taskbar has gone! in kde3 i would just start kicker - how can i do that in kde4? |
| 11:45.20 | slash|crisis | its not a resolution/out of bounds problem... |
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| 13:05.05 | tomahasamoot | I want to have too pannels, but when I add a second one I can't change its settings separately |
| 13:06.49 | tomahasamoot | the idea is to have one pannel that's for interactive stuff, and auto-hides itself, and one the displays info and is always visible |
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| 13:49.44 | x_link | Hurmmm, I can't watch movies now. |
| 13:49.47 | x_link | I could yesterdat. |
| 13:49.54 | x_link | When I double-click on the file I get this: |
| 13:50.08 | x_link | KDEInit could not launch 'wxvlc'.: |
| 13:50.16 | x_link | Could not find 'wxvlc' executable. |
| 13:50.31 | x_link | Is this a KDE-thing or am I asking in the wrong channel? |
| 13:53.22 | x_link | Ahh now it works. |
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| 14:02.55 | exAtuu | nice |
| 14:03.04 | GNU\colossus | :D |
| 14:03.16 | Sho_ | o.O |
| 14:03.16 | exAtuu | i almost died on that bell flood :D |
| 14:03.51 | Atoms | huh |
| 14:04.07 | flea | that was lame |
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| 14:17.17 | blip9 | hi, i used to use xfce and would like to switch to KDE 3. I like all the features of KDE except i am missing 1 very useful feature... in thunar file manager under xfce you get a sidepane where you can add shortcuts to directories that you often visit. I understand this can be done in Konqueror by adding the directory as a bookmark... but is there a way to add it to a sidebar so it does not mix with the konqueror internet bookmarks ? thanks |
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| 14:19.10 | MinceR | blip9: you could create separate bookmark folders for the two |
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| 14:20.49 | wilhart- | when does modkde4 upgrade? |
| 14:20.57 | wilhart- | to 4.0.1 ? |
| 14:21.00 | blip9 | oh i see what you mean. then i enable the bookmarks toolbar. this does the job. thanks MinceR |
| 14:21.24 | MinceR | np |
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| 14:31.46 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:32.36 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:32.44 | jazka | eh? |
| 14:32.49 | jazka | wow you know how to use tor |
| 14:32.52 | jazka | congratulations |
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| 14:33.33 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:34.23 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:35.00 | jazka | type /quit and you'll find some |
| 14:35.08 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:35.14 | Atoms | he is bill gates ! |
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| 14:40.04 | flaccid_ | hey guys what is the correct way in kde3 to make a shortcut/icon to your homedir to open in konq on your desktop? |
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| 14:40.50 | seria-mau | any idea why i cant search with krunner? i use debian experimental packages |
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| 14:41.39 | seria-mau | i also cant access krunners options. button is grayed out |
| 14:41.58 | SSJ_GZ | flaccid_: Right-click on Desktop -> Create New -> Link to Location -> Enter "home:/" as the URL. |
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| 14:49.48 | DobosCake | Are there no KDE4 rpms for fedora? |
| 14:52.42 | SinClaus | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/2/simple/2 |
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| 14:54.18 | wilhart | where is KDE4 settings manager_ |
| 14:54.21 | wilhart | control panel |
| 14:54.40 | jazka | start -> system settings |
| 14:54.46 | jazka | or k-,en |
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| 14:54.50 | jazka | k-menu |
| 14:55.36 | wilhart | jazka: tuot, what is the command on konsole_ |
| 14:55.43 | jazka | systemsettings |
| 14:55.53 | wilhart | nice |
| 14:56.06 | wilhart | jazka: when is this 4.0.1 due_ |
| 14:56.35 | jazka | I don't know, next week? |
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| 14:58.59 | Phenax | I'm connected on a wireless LAN and through Konqueror's "Browse Network" button I'm viewing other computer that are connected. How can I see their NetBIOS Names as well? |
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| 15:14.20 | d_mitry | when i mount an ntfs partition, i am given the error, "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000". how can i eliminate it? |
| 15:14.54 | seria-mau | can anyone help me with this strigi issue? |
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| 15:17.14 | seria-mau | i cant even find another gui for strigi or how to integrate a kde3 applet in kde4's plasma bar :/ |
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| 15:18.12 | flaccid_ | what os seria-mau |
| 15:18.53 | seria-mau | debian |
| 15:18.56 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: Plasma is incompatible with KDE3 applets, but can run SuperKaramba widgets. |
| 15:19.14 | seria-mau | well, i just want to figure out how i can use strigi with kde4 |
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| 15:19.25 | seria-mau | krunner only searches in applications |
| 15:20.09 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: There's a very lame Strigi gui called strigiclient, IIRC |
| 15:20.22 | seria-mau | yes. but how can i search with it? |
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| 15:21.27 | flaccid_ | never really seen strigi work |
| 15:21.36 | seria-mau | i even cant get a list of indexed files |
| 15:22.29 | seria-mau | and i thougt this would work even with 4.0.0 :/ |
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| 15:29.20 | seria-mau | well, so i guess strigi is unusable |
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| 15:36.52 | blue|palm | is there a kde app similar in function to gnome-system-monitor? |
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| 15:39.24 | bedi | bigp5527: ksysguard |
| 15:40.00 | SSJ_GZ | blue|palm: ^^ |
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| 15:41.38 | wilhart- | hmm, i need repo for pacman.conf on kdemod4-testing |
| 15:41.46 | blue|palm | thanks bedi, SSJ_GZ |
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| 15:45.50 | rackIT | d_mitry: right click > properties > permissions > uncheck mount as user |
| 15:46.07 | wilhart- | cd /etc |
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| 15:53.22 | d_mitry | rackIT, thank you so much. :) |
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| 15:54.39 | d_mitry | rackIT, still the same thing. the following options are ticked: access time updates, UTF-8 charset. |
| 15:55.05 | d_mitry | the following aren't ticked: read only, quiet, synchronous, mount automatically, mount as user. |
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| 15:58.18 | Krooks | How many spaces is your tab guys ? |
| 15:58.30 | Krooks | is it 2, 4 or 8 ? |
| 15:58.46 | Krooks | And what does KDE recommend ? |
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| 16:01.24 | rackIT | d_mitry: Hmm... that was the issue with an external HD NTFS volume that I was using - It's a permissions issue. |
| 16:01.56 | d_mitry | i see. well, the ntfs partition is on the same disk (internal) as kubuntu. |
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| 16:03.40 | Aw0L | is there a resolution to the problem of clicking on a window on the kmenu, and the whole menu shifting to one side? |
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| 16:08.42 | piper | Folks, I am having trouble adding a printer on KDE. When it asks for my password, it gives me an error for my password. It is correct.. any clues? |
| 16:09.54 | Gray9Mar_ | hi. for some reason automounting of removable media doesnt work anymore? any ideas what might be wrong here (maybe in ~/.kde*)? |
| 16:10.05 | Gray9Mar_ | btw for other users it workds |
| 16:12.17 | Gray9Mar_ | piper: administraton requires root pw iirc |
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| 16:16.13 | piper | Gray9mar: I gave it the root pw. Still has an error. I have never been able to install any printer on any computer I have installed linux on...AARRRGH!! |
| 16:17.47 | Gray9Mar_ | hehe |
| 16:17.56 | d_mitry | rackIT, i mounted it with ntfs-3g /dev/hdc1 /media/disk successfully. now to find out why it didn't let me do it via a gui. |
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| 16:18.34 | Gray9Mar_ | first of all, have u checked linuxprinting.org printer database for your printer model? |
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| 16:18.47 | Gray9Mar_ | piper: ^ |
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| 16:19.01 | piper | I'm on the website now. Checking for driver |
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| 16:20.02 | Gray9Mar_ | next thing is make sure u have hardware enabled printer port correctly via bios |
| 16:20.22 | Gray9Mar_ | then, make sure parport and lp resp usb functionality is in kernel |
| 16:20.55 | Gray9Mar_ | the rest can be done via http://localhost:631/ |
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| 16:22.19 | piper | Grat9MAr: I do. KDE printer control center recogzies the printer correctly on USB. |
| 16:23.15 | Gray9Mar_ | ok, http://localhost:631/, set up printer driver and port, print test page |
| 16:23.48 | Gray9Mar_ | piper: might be that your distro has another admin password for cups |
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| 16:24.01 | piper | Gray9Mar: I get to this point using KDE manager. I press the print test page button and then I get the error. |
| 16:24.33 | piper | Gray9MAr: Oh...I didn't know that CUPS needed a different password. |
| 16:24.52 | Gray9Mar_ | what error? |
| 16:25.35 | piper | Gray9Mar: Incorrect password. |
| 16:25.37 | Gray9Mar_ | gotta leave in a bit, take cups errors to #cups |
| 16:26.03 | piper | Gray9Mar: Thanks. I'll try harder |
| 16:26.26 | Gray9Mar_ | docu of ur linux distribution doesnt help? |
| 16:27.00 | Gray9Mar_ | k np |
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| 16:55.09 | DobosCake | Is KDE4 available through RPMs? |
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| 16:56.16 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
| 16:56.17 | cgoncalves | DobosCake: ask in your distro channel please |
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| 16:57.36 | maxo | hi. I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I have installed KDE4. However, whenever kwin starts, a message about glx appears and then X restarts. I've also downloaded KDE and compiled it from source and get the same problem. Any ideas how to fix this problem? |
| 16:57.41 | MilhousePunkRock | I am having some problems with my TwinView setup and window focus. Example: I want to run AmarokFS on my 2nd screen, which is bound to Desktop 2. When I focus a window on screen 1, AmarokFS on the other screen gets minimized... |
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| 17:37.21 | jrick | ah crap, i just spilled water on my keyboard :/ |
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| 17:37.49 | Alethes | and it still works? hehe |
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| 17:38.02 | jrick | yeah, amazingly |
| 17:38.13 | shadowlord | hi, can someone help me with the ksysguard applet? |
| 17:38.36 | shadowlord | I accidentally deleted the CPU and mem display, and now I can't get it back |
| 17:38.46 | shadowlord | (KDE 3.5.8) |
| 17:38.49 | MilhousePunkRock | jrick: Water won't do much harm, to be safe I would let it dry in a powered off state |
| 17:39.44 | MrGrim | ya compared to coke, water is nothin |
| 17:39.57 | jrick | MilhousePunkRock: well, I was thinking about taking off all the keys and then wiping it clean underneath |
| 17:40.10 | MrGrim | last time I spilled coke I promptly took my keyboard to the sink and sprayed it down |
| 17:40.37 | shadowlord | so what I'm asking is how to add a new display to the ksysguard applet (and not ksysguard itself) |
| 17:40.46 | MilhousePunkRock | I've read a report that someone put his keyboard into the dish washer and it still worked once it was dry |
| 17:40.53 | jrick | lol |
| 17:40.58 | MrGrim | MilhousePunkRock: not really surprising |
| 17:41.11 | MrGrim | as long as it's rinsed out well enough |
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| 17:41.16 | MrGrim | water is only a problem if it causes a short |
| 17:41.19 | MilhousePunkRock | Keyboards are mostly mechanic if I am right |
| 17:41.19 | MrGrim | otherwise it's just.. water |
| 17:41.58 | MrGrim | it's not like it's acidic or eats stuff.. it just causes shorts |
| 17:42.23 | MrGrim | if there's no power there's no problem |
| 17:42.29 | MrGrim | you can toss your cpu and ram into the dishwasher |
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| 17:43.24 | MrGrim | if you do and it breaks tho I didn't recommend it |
| 17:43.41 | fyanardi | shadowlord: can you drag sensor item from Sensor browser on the left? |
| 17:44.08 | shadowlord | fyanardi: you mean from ksysguard onto the applet? |
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| 17:45.44 | fyanardi | shadowlord: to the "System Load" tab? Btw what do you mean by "ksysguard applet", you lost the graph right? or I misunderstood you? |
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| 17:46.44 | shadowlord | fyanardi: well yes I lost the two graphs. And I can drag them from ksysguard.. and by the applet I mean KDE panel->add applet->ksysguard |
| 17:47.37 | shadowlord | fyanardi: will try this dragging thing for a few minutes ok? |
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| 17:47.59 | MilhousePunkRock | Now that I have you attention: Can I have two really seperate desktops on seperate screens with seperate focus (that's the important part) |
| 17:48.52 | MrGrim | run two x sessions? |
| 17:48.54 | MrGrim | just a hunch |
| 17:49.02 | fyanardi | shadowlord: ok, sorry I misunderstood you, I thought you lost the graph in the Ksysguard window ;) |
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| 17:51.28 | jrick | MilhousePunkRock: what do you mean my seperate focus? |
| 17:51.31 | MilhousePunkRock | MrGrim: Multiple desktops are linux basics... I even have it set up almost like I want it.. |
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| 17:51.41 | shadowlord | fyanardi: by the way is there any way to restore the ksysguard graphs exactly as they were? |
| 17:52.17 | MilhousePunkRock | jrick: Example is: Running AmarokFS on the second screen, desktop 2. If I focus a window in desktop 1, AmarokFS will minimize |
| 17:52.50 | MrGrim | sounds like a amarokfs bug |
| 17:53.05 | MilhousePunkRock | shadowlord: There is probably a ksysguardrc somewhere in ~/.kde, if you delete it, things should be default again |
| 17:53.52 | MilhousePunkRock | MrGrim: That could well be... Another thing is that I have the MacOS-like menubar on both desktops, and the content is only on the left screen, which is the secondary |
| 17:54.26 | shadowlord | MilhousePunkRock: yep ksysguardrc contains windows width and height :D |
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| 17:55.13 | fyanardi | shadowlord : no idea how to restore default for the ksysguard applet in the kicker, but seems you have to dig down the configuration files |
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| 17:56.04 | jrick | w00t, installing amarok on my new system now :) |
| 17:56.06 | shadowlord | fyanardi: okay, and thanks for the drag&drop tip :) |
| 17:56.27 | fyanardi | shadowlord: welcome ;) |
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| 17:56.49 | MrGrim | shadowlord: drag and drop nearly always works in kde |
| 17:56.52 | MrGrim | use it often |
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| 17:57.37 | jrick | about how long does it take to compile amarok from source? |
| 17:57.44 | MrGrim | e.g. I can drag a song from amarok's playlist to a private query in konversation to send that song... try that w/ winamp and mirc :P |
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| 17:58.25 | Sho_ | MrGrim: KDE ftw :-) |
| 17:58.34 | shadowlord | jrick: on what cpu? |
| 17:59.07 | MilhousePunkRock | jrick: Back in my Gentoo days, took less than an hour on an Athlon 2400+ with 1 GB RAM |
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| 17:59.39 | jrick | it's an intel core duo, from about 1 1/2 years ago... |
| 18:00.02 | shadowlord | jrick: then you may be ready in 20 minutes |
| 18:00.07 | jrick | awesome |
| 18:00.16 | shadowlord | IF no error occurs |
| 18:00.20 | shadowlord | :D |
| 18:00.29 | roro_ | konsole |
| 18:00.36 | MrGrim | Sho_: amen.. I'm not even sure if that works with xmms+xchat |
| 18:00.40 | jrick | shadowlord: don't worry, i'm using freebsd's ports :D |
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| 18:01.08 | XBehave | i can get stuff out of a maths program in mathML or latex how can i get into an OO document or kword? |
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| 18:02.37 | kking_ | hmmm...I take it you are using kile as your latex editor? I believe OO can insert pdf files of your work, but if you are trying to just insert one equation or whatnot, that may be overkill. |
| 18:02.43 | jrick | XBehave: try klatexformula |
| 18:03.00 | jrick | export the latex, use it in klatexformula, and then copy the graphic |
| 18:03.35 | jrick | XBehave: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40430 |
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| 18:04.56 | XBehave | thx |
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| 18:08.03 | shadowlord | one of my kde menu items doesn't show an icon (krusader). When I click on edit item, it shows the icon, I select the icon again, click OK, but in the menu it doesn't show up, Any ideas? |
| 18:08.26 | shadowlord | tried kbuildsycoca too |
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| 18:10.58 | MilhousePunkRock | Oh dear... The right click option for AmarokFS lets you choose which screen it shall run on... Of course I did not have the option with one screen... Now I only need to change my shortcut to always have it on screen two |
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| 18:11.36 | MilhousePunkRock | Any ideas about the MacOS top menu only on one desktop? Is that even possible? |
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| 18:14.39 | Ungi | hi |
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| 18:15.14 | Ungi | i lost my wastebasket icon on my desktop. how to get it back??? |
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| 18:17.51 | SSJ_GZ | Ungi: Right-click on Desktop -> Create New -> Link to Location -> Enter "trash:/" as the URL. |
| 18:18.10 | twouters | Hi, I'm using kde4 (trunk) as a desktop since short, and stumbled upon the following issue: when using konqueror to download files from https sites, the download process stalls. Is this a known problem? |
| 18:19.37 | Ungi | pretty cool! thanks SSJ_GZ from dark germany |
| 18:19.55 | SSJ_GZ | Ungi: You are welcome :) |
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| 18:23.43 | shadowlord | what do I need to get input actions work? even the printscreen->ksnapshot preset doesn't work |
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| 18:25.36 | shadowlord | what the... should the khotkeys daemon be running for shortcuts to work?? |
| 18:25.52 | jazka | yes |
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| 18:27.08 | shadowlord | jazka: I wonder why is it disabled by default |
| 18:27.16 | jazka | no idea |
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| 18:27.58 | shadowlord | but after enabling it it works, thx |
| 18:28.03 | jazka | yep |
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| 18:30.08 | logixoul | Hi. Trying to burn a cd in K3b. It gets written fine, and ejected. Then, normally, the disc would retract again and start verifying (I enabled that option). But lately it just sits there waiting, and I can't get it to verify the disc. Also, I'm pretty sure the disc's been written wrong. Any ideas? |
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| 18:31.14 | logixoul | alternatively, what else could I use to burn cds in linux? |
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| 18:35.21 | \SeVeN\ | hi, i want to start compiz-manager via .kde4/Autostart but this dont work ... |
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| 18:45.40 | Ayabara | hey. pcm is gone from my kmix, and it can't be found by right-click -> channels either |
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| 18:54.36 | \SeVeN\ | i want to start compiz-manager via .kde4/Autostart but this dont work ... |
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| 19:02.56 | happyping | Anyone knows if koffice can display powerpoint documents ? |
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| 19:03.12 | happyping | Hello :) |
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| 19:03.35 | logixoul | IIRC it can, but not perfectly. E.g. not sure if powerpoint's animations are supported. |
| 19:03.55 | happyping | logicxoul, thanks |
| 19:04.00 | logixoul | np |
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| 19:09.04 | DoYouKnow | I installed kde for windows 4, but lots of dlls appear to be missing |
| 19:09.07 | DoYouKnow | what did I do wrong? |
| 19:09.39 | jazka | try #kde-windows |
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| 19:20.02 | FiNeX | hi! |
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| 19:31.12 | \SeVeN\ | why does .kde4/Autostart not work ? |
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| 19:33.46 | SSJ_GZ | \SeVeN\: The Autostart functionality may not have been ported to KDE4, yet. |
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| 19:36.02 | \SeVeN\ | :( |
| 19:36.37 | jrick | \SeVeN\: it may not be a good idea, but you could add it to your .bashrc |
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| 19:37.13 | jrick | but then it would happen everytime you logged in, not just for kde |
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| 19:39.29 | litb | \SeVeN\: i read something about it |
| 19:39.41 | litb | \SeVeN\: look into .kde/share/Autostart |
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| 19:41.52 | \SeVeN\ | i set my autostart path via system settings -> about me |
| 19:42.02 | jrick | yay! amarok is done building :) |
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| 19:44.53 | Barackuse | howdy |
| 19:44.58 | litb | "system settings -> about me" |
| 19:45.12 | litb | that's a rather strange name for autostart customizing isn't it? |
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| 19:47.32 | litb | hm, syscoca or thelike |
| 19:47.37 | litb | i always forget its name |
| 19:47.49 | \SeVeN\ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.58 | litb | ah, kbuildsycoca |
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| 19:49.46 | litb | \SeVeN\: if you are looking for setting an env variable or starting something at the very beginning of kde, ~/.kde/env is better suited for that |
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| 19:51.33 | \SeVeN\ | ok, n8 |
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| 20:30.35 | yanis | how can I install kde4 at fedora 8? |
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| 20:32.03 | BULLE | yanis: compile it yourself |
| 20:32.07 | BULLE | yanis: and install in homedir |
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| 20:34.26 | PhilRod | BULLE: does fedora not have kde 4 packages? |
| 20:37.08 | BULLE | PhilRod: not that i know of |
| 20:37.40 | BULLE | PhilRod: it should be in Fedora 8 afaik |
| 20:37.45 | BULLE | ehm |
| 20:37.46 | BULLE | 9 |
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| 21:04.44 | samuel | sup all |
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| 21:05.00 | samuel | plagarism: http://kernelsystems.com.mx/ ??? i think so.... |
| 21:05.14 | samuel | shitty website too |
| 21:06.43 | WLRA | are these windows icons ?! |
| 21:07.53 | niko_ | the menu doesn't work in konqueror |
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| 21:08.13 | niko_ | or is this flash? i don't have flash |
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| 21:12.10 | dasKreech | where is the kde pim chan? |
| 21:12.25 | litb | shitty page only because it doesn't work in konqueror? |
| 21:12.27 | litb | poor souls.. |
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| 21:13.38 | dasKreech | Well Gnome is Webkit now so they might be in issues as well |
| 21:14.13 | Sho_ | dasKreech: #kontact wrt/ pim chan |
| 21:14.17 | litb | it's so funny that gnome uses kde2 components now |
| 21:14.44 | dasKreech | I'm assuming someone owns #kdepim |
| 21:14.53 | dasKreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.54 | Sho_ | litb: you know the gtkhtml library is a fork of a very old version of what eventually became khtml, too |
| 21:15.03 | dasKreech | Sho_: Topic FAQ is back up |
| 21:15.28 | litb | lolz |
| 21:15.36 | Sho_ | litb: so they've actually been doing that for years |
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| 21:15.44 | Sho_ | dasKreech: ah good |
| 21:15.59 | litb | they are good at placing buttons, but are not at creating complex programs |
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| 21:18.04 | litb | wow nice: http://vizzzion.org/images/blog/resizable-panel-thumb.jpg |
| 21:18.26 | litb | i hope they fix the clock appearance |
| 21:18.40 | litb | numbers from 10 to 12 look incredibly ugly imho |
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| 21:23.29 | Rafet | hi there , anyone have ascreenshot for the new Gnome |
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| 21:24.02 | litb | troll! |
| 21:24.06 | dasKreech | Rafet: You can go to the Gnome website and get quite a few |
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| 21:24.15 | dasKreech | litb: misguided :-P |
| 21:24.29 | dasKreech | People throw around troll so easily |
| 21:24.46 | Rafet | is there screenshots for the new Gnome !!! |
| 21:24.55 | dasKreech | Rafet: Yes It looks just like the old one |
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| 21:25.14 | Rafet | So nothing new in it !!! |
| 21:25.17 | dasKreech | they made no major massive or even middling changes in the UI |
| 21:25.25 | dasKreech | Rafet: :-P nothing you see in a screenshot |
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| 21:26.05 | litb | Rafet: gnome is growing much. try it out it will kick ass |
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| 21:26.14 | Rafet | KDE looks sooo gr8 |
| 21:26.54 | dasKreech | Sho_: Any idea when the FAQ went back up? It's already out of date :) |
| 21:27.06 | Rafet | am new to Linux am using Fedora core and i have KDE and Gnome both are gr8 |
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| 21:27.52 | litb | Rafet: i sincerely hate Gnome |
| 21:28.19 | Rafet | why is that !! |
| 21:28.48 | vandenoever | litb: do you prefer windows? |
| 21:29.01 | litb | i prefer kde |
| 21:29.21 | litb | vandenoever: what does windows have to do with gnome or any DE at all? it is an OS after all |
| 21:29.45 | litb | but yeah, linux sucks and i would like to make it a microkernel if i could |
| 21:30.08 | vandenoever | litb: why not just use a microkernel? |
| 21:30.20 | dasKreech | litb: try HURD |
| 21:30.24 | eggalatarian | or qnx |
| 21:30.26 | litb | vandenoever: there is no stable, free microkernel. i thought you know |
| 21:30.48 | vandenoever | plan9? |
| 21:30.55 | litb | i don't think HURD is all that great for my desktop laptop. lets say it's HURT for it |
| 21:30.58 | Rafet | plan9 ?? |
| 21:31.09 | dasKreech | vandenoever: are you emplyed by trolltech? |
| 21:31.16 | Rafet | whats plan9 !!! |
| 21:31.16 | vandenoever | dasKreech: no |
| 21:31.24 | dasKreech | Ok just wondering |
| 21:31.25 | litb | s/trolltech/nokia/ |
| 21:31.26 | pinotree | Rafet: we cannot reply to any kind of question about gnome, so don't ask. |
| 21:31.51 | vandenoever | dasKreech: i'm working on analytic xray machine software |
| 21:31.54 | litb | please reply, i will then forward it to the gnome mailinglist |
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| 21:32.01 | Rafet | am asking about plan9 !!! what is it !!! |
| 21:32.12 | eggalatarian | an os sir |
| 21:32.17 | dasKreech | It analyses Xrays? or it analyses using Xrays? |
| 21:32.25 | vandenoever | dasKreech: using xrays |
| 21:32.44 | dasKreech | Sounds airportish :-) |
| 21:33.03 | litb | too bad they didn't help baby RMS to make a better HURD |
| 21:33.07 | vandenoever | no, think material properties |
| 21:33.37 | MrGrim | litb: explain to me why linux sucks and should be a microkernel |
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| 21:34.31 | litb | MrGrim: just look how few drivers there are |
| 21:34.31 | vandenoever | Rafet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan9 |
| 21:34.48 | Rafet | i was just goning to ask :D thankx |
| 21:35.01 | MrGrim | very compelling... |
| 21:35.02 | litb | linux is a big hard cock that cannot be extended dynamically without being up to date following every kernel change for ABI compatibility |
| 21:35.07 | litb | it's not nice dude |
| 21:35.28 | MrGrim | that his nothing to do with it being a monolithic kernel |
| 21:35.37 | litb | oh it has |
| 21:35.39 | MrGrim | has* |
| 21:35.58 | MrGrim | do you even know what a microkernel is? |
| 21:36.05 | litb | if it was microkernel designed, then they could do a stable ABI far more easily and everything would be better |
| 21:36.19 | vandenoever | litb: you're confusing good design (modularity) with efficient communication between the modules (monolithic kernel) |
| 21:36.20 | litb | MrGrim: of course i know |
| 21:36.38 | litb | linux is both |
| 21:37.00 | litb | modular and monolithic . but i talk about micro kernel design. |
| 21:37.04 | MrGrim | as I suspected, you're just some guy who read a /. rant about why linux sucks because it isn't a microkernel and suddenly had an opinion. |
| 21:37.15 | MrGrim | back to rl |
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| 21:37.40 | litb | lol MrGrim i'm not in /. |
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| 21:38.26 | MrGrim | litb: you do realize the most popular desktop OS in the world with a stable device driver ABI runs a monolithic kernel |
| 21:38.27 | MrGrim | right? |
| 21:38.28 | litb | don't you see the mess? for one linux kernel release they need serveral months . using micro kernels and nice abstracted, distinct, modules, they could develop far more rapid |
| 21:38.50 | litb | MrGrim: Windows runs a micro kernel |
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| 21:39.23 | samuel | any ideas what a good linux distro is for a macbook pro? |
| 21:39.33 | samuel | preferably a distro that comes with kde 4 |
| 21:39.51 | eggalatarian | kubuntu is supposed to support it officially |
| 21:39.57 | pedepy2 | what kinda kernel you need sam ? |
| 21:40.12 | eggalatarian | u dont want 4 yet, its not stable enough |
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| 21:40.17 | dasKreech | samuel: PPC or Intel? |
| 21:40.22 | samuel | pedepy2: 2.6, preferably with the macbook patches |
| 21:40.25 | samuel | oh intel |
| 21:40.37 | dasKreech | eggalatarian: Suppose he wants to test it? |
| 21:40.44 | eggalatarian | its on 2.6 |
| 21:41.04 | samuel | id rather 4, im not leaving mac os x for 3.5 |
| 21:41.07 | eggalatarian | ok sorry dont have enough exp. to remember bootcamp |
| 21:41.21 | pedepy2 | then wait, sam |
| 21:41.30 | samuel | no, im thinking of getting rid of all traces of mac in my computer |
| 21:41.41 | samuel | ie - no bootcamp |
| 21:41.48 | samuel | im sick and tired of os x |
| 21:41.48 | pedepy2 | you no like osx ? |
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| 21:42.05 | dasKreech | samuel: You can run most stuff on MacOSX |
| 21:42.14 | pedepy2 | geez at least you can do video edit |
| 21:42.33 | eggalatarian | 4 isn't ready for sole use unless your comfortable with using a term/shell |
| 21:42.39 | samuel | no, spotlight sucks if you have large amounts on your disk, time machine is so slow its almost useless... |
| 21:42.56 | samuel | but the worse part is... the kernel screen of death |
| 21:43.01 | eggalatarian | the gui crashes at lot |
| 21:43.06 | samuel | ive gotten it so many times |
| 21:43.14 | samuel | eggalatarian: dont mind |
| 21:43.15 | pedepy2 | happens with microkernels.. |
| 21:44.08 | eggalatarian | its a microkernel? - surely not a real one |
| 21:44.09 | MrGrim | litb: microsoft itslef advertises the NT kernel as a "Hybrid Kernel". "Hybrid kernel is a kernel architecture based on combining aspects of microkernel and monolithic kernel architectures used in computer operating systems. The category is controversial due to the similarity to monolithic kernel; the term has been dismissed by some as just marketing." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel |
| 21:44.43 | samuel | not only that, its just annoying that sometimes it just stops responding for no apparent reason, doing nothing particularly processor intensive... then you have to wait or just restart |
| 21:44.44 | eggalatarian | grim i think most of use read slashdot :-) |
| 21:44.49 | samuel | incredibly annoying |
| 21:45.12 | MrGrim | litb: in windows the drivers, HAL, even GDI runs in kernel space... what, precisely, is micro about that? |
| 21:45.29 | samuel | so kubuntu is good? |
| 21:45.42 | eggalatarian | windows is seriously fooked - stop refering to it as a microkernel |
| 21:45.44 | litb | MrGrim: i read that with Vista, Microsoft pushed the GDI into userspace |
| 21:45.44 | samuel | back in the day when i used linux i was on arch... |
| 21:46.18 | eggalatarian | fedoras live cd is better for kde, but kubuntus quite ok |
| 21:46.45 | MrGrim | litb: that still means everything that runs in kernel space in linux also runs in kernel space in windows |
| 21:46.52 | eggalatarian | but i dont know about macintosh support |
| 21:47.01 | mimix | so, the topic says "Don't delete ~/.kde !", and I did that just yesterday :) |
| 21:47.09 | MrGrim | litb: a frozen abi doesn't imply a microkernel.. that can be done with or without a microkernel design |
| 21:47.23 | litb | MrGrim: yes of course |
| 21:47.38 | litb | but it is much easier |
| 21:47.46 | MrGrim | no, it's pretty much the same |
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| 21:47.51 | MrGrim | you simply don't change the abi |
| 21:48.10 | samuel | eggalatarian: does either one come with kde4? |
| 21:48.24 | litb | as far as i know with a microkernel you communicate through message passing and not by writing into memory and calling functions. that's much better protected imho |
| 21:48.46 | litb | but anyway, kde will run on both without errors |
| 21:48.58 | eggalatarian | yes on main kubuntu page they realeased a kde4 version |
| 21:49.02 | eggalatarian | gutsy build |
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| 21:49.15 | MrGrim | litb: protected perhaps.. depends on the architecture. E.g. x86 currently has no iommu and can't protect against broken dma transfers. That is changing the subject however, and has nothing to do with changing the driver interface |
| 21:49.18 | samuel | eggalatarian: thanks!!! |
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| 21:49.35 | c-101 | Hi there |
| 21:49.52 | MrGrim | litb: tho I'll give you credit for moving back to the original subject while side stepping the static abi issue |
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| 21:49.56 | eggalatarian | i've used it - like i said it cool but you need to know how to use a command line |
| 21:50.04 | samuel | eggalatarian: i prefer ubuntu, im familiar with dpkg so... |
| 21:50.44 | MrGrim | litb: I'm not denying microkernels may have some advantages, but like anything they also have disadvantages, and a kernel most certainly doesn't suck simply because it is monolithic |
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| 21:52.42 | samuel | MrGrim: at least on mac os x its not that great, from my experience a vanilla linux kernel is more responsive than darwin |
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| 21:53.34 | litb | MrGrim: well, i see. thanks for the credit tho :) |
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| 21:53.44 | proprietarysucks | is there any distro which comes with kde 4 as its default or selectable during install ? |
| 21:54.02 | eggalatarian | yep, we were just saying kubuntu have a special build |
| 21:54.03 | dasKreech | proprietarysucks: Not as a main release |
| 21:54.07 | benJIman | openSUSE you could install it during install. |
| 21:54.13 | proprietarysucks | any idea what the first one will be? |
| 21:54.16 | MrGrim | samuel: as microkernels go mach is far from impressive |
| 21:54.21 | benJIman | Even 10.3, that's quite an old snapshot of kde though. |
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| 21:54.26 | dasKreech | Many have installable Cds and packages |
| 21:54.26 | proprietarysucks | I have tried opensuse 11 and didn't see kde 4 as an option |
| 21:54.41 | benJIman | You could install from one of the kde4 livecds, they're pretty untested though. |
| 21:54.41 | MrGrim | samuel: there are much faster ones |
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| 21:54.53 | benJIman | proprietarysucks: It is, if you look properly. |
| 21:54.56 | proprietarysucks | I tried a livecd a while back and couldn't get it to start up |
| 21:54.59 | dasKreech | proprietarysucks: What are you looking for? |
| 21:55.02 | samuel | MrGrim: i dont know much about kernel programming, but i do know mach is slow |
| 21:55.02 | benJIman | proprietarysucks: next alpha will have kde4 default I believe. |
| 21:55.11 | dasKreech | Just to install KDE4 or a Polished version? |
| 21:55.23 | proprietarysucks | I want to install an os with only kde 4 |
| 21:55.34 | proprietarysucks | I know it's not debugged yet |
| 21:55.37 | dasKreech | benJIman: When is the next release planned ? |
| 21:55.40 | MrGrim | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)#Performance_problems |
| 21:55.44 | benJIman | proprietarysucks: Easiest way is to install a minimal 10.3, and then install kde4 post install |
| 21:55.52 | dasKreech | proprietarysucks: Suse and Kubuntu |
| 21:55.55 | proprietarysucks | alright I'll look into that thanks |
| 21:55.59 | benJIman | dasKreech: 11 will be released in june |
| 21:56.05 | dasKreech | I heard rumours of debian and slackware but I won't repeat |
| 21:56.21 | dasKreech | benJIman: Nice might catch 4.1 |
| 21:56.32 | benJIman | dasKreech: Doesn't look like it, 4.1 is july |
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| 21:56.44 | dasKreech | It is? |
| 21:56.45 | MrGrim | samuel: my knowledge consists of a few tiny kernels I wrote on my old 486.. nothing special.. setup page tables, ran a couple of threads.. mostly just screwing around stuff. I try to keep up on the concepts, however |
| 21:56.47 | dasKreech | blast :) |
| 21:56.54 | sonic | anyone find a way to watch the streaming HD shows from ABC? They are specifically locking out Linux |
| 21:56.57 | sonic | http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/popup?aff=null |
| 21:57.17 | pinotree | sonic: and what does it have to do with #kde in particiular way? |
| 21:57.18 | dasKreech | benJIman: Perhaps you can install it with a script that updates and a wallpaper that says Watch this Space ? |
| 21:57.52 | benJIman | dasKreech: New versions of kde are always packaged for older distributions anyway. |
| 21:57.55 | sonic | pinotree: duh - konqueror? |
| 21:58.10 | pinotree | sonic: i don't see "konqueror" in your statement, but a generic "linux" |
| 21:58.16 | benJIman | dasKreech: So 4.0 is available for 10.1,2,3, and factory |
| 21:58.18 | eggalatarian | can't it fake useragents? |
| 21:58.20 | dasKreech | benJIman: I know just would kinda suck to have 4.1 two weeks away |
| 21:58.22 | benJIman | dasKreech: And development builds as well |
| 21:58.27 | MrGrim | pinotree: one might assume that woul dbe applied by his asking in #kde |
| 21:58.35 | MrGrim | s/applied/implied |
| 21:58.38 | pinotree | MrGrim: i don't, and you should not as well |
| 21:58.47 | benJIman | dasKreech: Well it'll be available, but obviously it's not going to be released early enough to then test and release as the default desktop |
| 21:58.49 | sonic | pinotree: whats your prob? |
| 21:58.54 | MrGrim | sonic: indeed |
| 21:58.56 | dasKreech | pinotree doesn't like implications from what I've seen |
| 21:58.56 | benJIman | dasKreech: If you want it you can always install the packages. |
| 21:59.02 | MrGrim | pissy, eh? |
| 21:59.24 | pinotree | sonic: uhm, the offtopic and people ranting here for every problem they have? (just curious) |
| 21:59.38 | dasKreech | sonic: in any case ##linux will probably have a lot more efficent answers |
| 21:59.53 | MrGrim | sonic: he's trying to idle and wants everyone to go away :) |
| 22:00.05 | dasKreech | benJIman: Ah if only that were true of Windows XP |
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| 22:00.15 | dasKreech | or forward porting for Windows Vista |
| 22:00.17 | pinotree | MrGrim: kind of insulting? :) |
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| 22:00.42 | benJIman | dasKreech: The kde release cycle is really inconvenient for pretty much every distro atm though. |
| 22:00.50 | MrGrim | pinotree: that's what you get for telling me what I should an dshould not do >:) |
| 22:00.53 | benJIman | Not doing the project any favours. |
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| 22:01.01 | dasKreech | benJIman: I noticed |
| 22:01.17 | pinotree | MrGrim: well, you are in the wrong position ot do that, sorry |
| 22:01.23 | pinotree | EOD |
| 22:01.47 | MrGrim | gotcha, I'll pretend I understand that and talk to other people |
| 22:01.48 | dasKreech | Just long enough that you will get a very long testing sequence (which means dull) or so close you don't dare ship by default unless you like reading bug reports |
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| 22:02.05 | sonic | pinotree: well, kde is a framework that includes but is not limited to support for multimedia. Thus I would assume this is an issue that affects all kde users since its locking them out. |
| 22:02.06 | lteo | does anyone know a linux distribution that includes kde 4 directly from the install cd/ |
| 22:02.38 | dasKreech | benJIman: Funny thing is I highly expect to see at least two distros change their own schedule to capitalize on it |
| 22:02.40 | eggalatarian | grrr (5th time), a special kubuntu build kubuntu.com, in the news section |
| 22:02.45 | litb | lteo: the kde4 livecd |
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| 22:03.00 | eggalatarian | or kde4 livecd from kde website |
| 22:03.15 | dasKreech | eggalatarian: there is a FAQ in the topic. Wiki it |
| 22:03.31 | pinotree | sonic: a) kde is not a framework, but a desktop environment b) if you want to have kde-specific help, please *ask* so; being generic is bad c) if their site locks out a browser, who's in the wrong position? |
| 22:03.34 | litb | is "wiki" a valid english verb? |
| 22:03.37 | lteo | eggalatarian: thanks, and sorry ;( |
| 22:03.42 | benJIman | dasKreech: Like which? |
| 22:04.08 | litb | if a site locks out konqueror and it works with every other browser, konqueror is indeed wrong |
| 22:04.15 | c-101 | is there anyone involved with the development of the kio_smb ? |
| 22:04.21 | benJIman | litb: Not necessarily. |
| 22:04.27 | litb | but very probably |
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| 22:04.30 | pinotree | litb: i would not assume easily that |
| 22:05.01 | pinotree | litb: there are so many sites around there, that just check for "Internet Explorer" and "Netscape" as user agent |
| 22:05.02 | litb | konq has had many problems before |
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| 22:05.07 | benJIman | litb: If there are no browser detection hacks, and the markup/css/scripts validate etc then yes |
| 22:05.10 | litb | hm |
| 22:05.32 | dasKreech | benJIman: Distros? none of the major players. at least two distros will change so that they become the token "showcase" KDE distro that comes out roughly around when KDE ships. It wll get KDE news spots and the distro users |
| 22:05.42 | litb | for example, konq crashes on a not yet released acid test |
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| 22:05.52 | pinotree | litb: fixed for kde 3.5.9 |
| 22:05.52 | dasKreech | litb: no it's Hawaiian |
| 22:06.01 | eggalatarian | huh, i though konq passed the mosts tests |
| 22:06.14 | pinotree | litb: and in kde 4.0.1 there are improvements for that |
| 22:06.26 | litb | dasKreech: what is Hawaiian? |
| 22:06.30 | dasKreech | litb: if it's not released then it doesn't matter does it? |
| 22:06.34 | litb | i'm looking forward |
| 22:06.35 | dasKreech | Wiki |
| 22:06.35 | sonic | well I would think its in the community's best interest to flood them with mail until they wake up. and yes. koqueror is singled out specifically, so where else you suggest I go to rally koqueror users against blatant discrimination |
| 22:06.54 | dasKreech | sonic: They are not BBC |
| 22:07.26 | sonic | but what do I know? Im no developer, but I do run kdesvn and file bugs and attempt to give my controbution |
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| 22:07.54 | litb | i've written bug reports too and fixed bugs too, just not so much |
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| 22:08.03 | litb | but still everyone is valuable for the community |
| 22:08.07 | dasKreech | It would actually be more constructive to find alternatives who do play nice and drum up support for them IMHO |
| 22:08.28 | litb | at least webkit saves us soon |
| 22:08.39 | benJIman | litb: If webkit is default. |
| 22:08.50 | benJIman | At the moment webkit barely works in konqueror. |
| 22:09.03 | litb | i'm sure nokia will help out there |
| 22:09.17 | eggalatarian | hmm, they could merge UA strings with Mac (major/minor) to help that |
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| 22:09.33 | benJIman | litb: Also webkit doesn't have native KDE html form widgets. |
| 22:09.43 | benJIman | litb: And other KDE integration issues. |
| 22:09.44 | litb | oh |
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| 22:09.57 | litb | what ui does it use? |
| 22:10.17 | litb | ah i see. thinking of sonnet and stuff |
| 22:10.38 | dasKreech | Why would nokia care about konqueror? |
| 22:10.48 | benJIman | dasKreech: nokia care about webkit |
| 22:10.56 | dasKreech | No doubt |
| 22:11.14 | dasKreech | they were the ones who legitimized it being open source |
| 22:11.16 | sonic | dasKreech: yes that is also very constructive. but companies get stuck in status quo and some times need some cage rattling. |
| 22:11.20 | litb | konqueror will be one of the best shows for their webkit then |
| 22:11.34 | sonic | dasKreech: but now I am offtopic so I will leave |
| 22:11.37 | dasKreech | but I still dont' see why that makes them care about konqueor or Epiphany |
| 22:11.51 | dasKreech | sonic: ##linux |
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| 22:16.12 | litb | when firefox finally uses webkit, then internet explorer can go home |
| 22:16.59 | c-101 | firefox using webkit ? |
| 22:16.59 | c-101 | why ? |
| 22:17.14 | c-101 | what's wrong with gecko ? |
| 22:17.38 | dasKreech | a) IE will never go home. It's home is the internet as MS recently bemoaed |
| 22:17.40 | eggalatarian | sighs*:-) |
| 22:17.44 | MrGrim | c'mon, suspense is killing me |
| 22:17.52 | dasKreech | B) firefox will not use webkit bydefault |
| 22:18.06 | dasKreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.39 | eggalatarian | its all GPL'd anyway so why worry |
| 22:18.40 | dasKreech | but that means nothing to anyone except for geek giggles |
| 22:20.11 | MrGrim | pfft... IE can go home when firefox finally switches to boxely |
| 22:20.28 | MrGrim | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxely_(Layout_engine) |
| 22:20.29 | MrGrim | ftw |
| 22:20.30 | dasKreech | in any case I'm off |
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| 22:21.01 | eggalatarian | does any1 think tamarin will ever get gpled . |
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| 22:23.53 | BronxAngel | can i ask a ktorrent question here? |
| 22:24.11 | pinotree | sure |
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| 22:27.05 | BronxAngel | where can i find ktorrent plugins, mods, tips/tricks online? i want to be able to cut&paste a list of trackers not one by one |
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| 22:28.20 | SimAtWork | out of curiousity, why a list? |
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| 22:31.53 | c-101 | what does Q_ASSERT ? |
| 22:32.15 | BronxAngel | SimAtWork: i search for a torrent and find that the same file is across several trackers. there is a torrent site that lists the same file by different sites. so what i do is click my "donkey" off on all the sites. |
| 22:32.36 | BronxAngel | the same site has a list of all the trackers |
| 22:32.52 | SimAtWork | so you download the same file multiple times? |
| 22:33.09 | lennart | hey everyone! how do i add the digital clock to the standard panel when i removed it? i have no idea about the new kde4 ways of kicker and applets ;) |
| 22:33.39 | c-101 | lennart: drag & drop from the list of widgets |
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| 22:34.28 | lennart | c-101: ahhh wonderful :) how can i move it to the right? just pulling it does not work |
| 22:34.48 | c-101 | lennart: reordering panel is not yet implemented |
| 22:34.49 | c-101 | :) |
| 22:35.04 | SimAtWork | is anyone using kde 3 still? |
| 22:35.09 | SimAtWork | or am i already the last of a dying breed? |
| 22:35.27 | Japsu | err, most kde users still use kde 3 |
| 22:35.33 | lennart | c-101: ah :) ty |
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| 22:36.19 | BronxAngel | SimAtWork: no, ktorrent is too smart for that. instead she adds the trackers, if new, once she identifies the files as being the same. so while before i would be connected to 5 peers, with the additional trackers i would get 10 peers..you don't know how to help me do you?lol |
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| 22:36.53 | nondysjunction | hello |
| 22:37.11 | nondysjunction | What's the name of that good photo album manager/viewer for kde? |
| 22:37.19 | pinotree | digikam |
| 22:38.12 | SimAtWork | BronxAngel: no idea |
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| 22:39.29 | BronxAngel | guess i'm gonna have to go with uttorent on the piece of crap window |
| 22:39.59 | SimAtWork | utorrent runs great in linux |
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| 22:46.47 | Pig_Pen | anyone build qt & kdelibs without dbus & hal support? or are those two items manditory? |
| 22:46.56 | Pig_Pen | kde-4.0 |
| 22:47.00 | pinotree | mandatory |
| 22:47.18 | pinotree | dbus is mandatory for all, starting from qt |
| 22:47.42 | Pig_Pen | i did manage to get qt-4.3.3 built without dbus & hal but kdelibs complained about some qtdbus thing being missing |
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| 22:48.06 | pinotree | hal is not mandatory, but strongly reccomended |
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| 22:48.50 | Pig_Pen | there should be some parameters like --without-dbus or similar |
| 22:49.00 | pinotree | nope, it's mandatory |
| 22:49.22 | pinotree | dbus is the IPC of kde4, just like DCOP for kde3; you cannot disable it |
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| 22:49.32 | Pig_Pen | i guess i can install it for compatibility purposes but disable the daemon |
| 22:49.49 | Pig_Pen | not even disable it? |
| 22:50.16 | Pig_Pen | so kde will not run without dbus running once installed? |
| 22:50.27 | pinotree | correct |
| 22:50.54 | pinotree | kde4 requires dbus (the library) when compiling, and the daemon available (if not running) |
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| 22:51.36 | Pig_Pen | ah, so if i install dbus but not start the daemon and when starting kde it will automatically start dbus with it |
| 22:51.51 | c-101 | is there a published documentation about kio somewhere ? |
| 22:51.52 | pinotree | correct |
| 22:52.21 | Pig_Pen | thanks for the information, i guess i am back to the drawing board :) |
| 22:53.15 | c-101 | already found it :) |
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| 22:59.26 | Pig_Pen | one more question, i noticed now there are three kdebase packages, (kdebase, kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace) i would still guess kdelibs comes first and kdebase comes second, between kdebase-runtime & kdebase-workspace which comes next? |
| 22:59.52 | pinotree | you need kdelibs + kdebase-runtime as bare minimum to run kde4 applications |
| 23:00.01 | pinotree | everything else is optional |
| 23:00.51 | Pig_Pen | ok, so to get a good kdedesktop i need to start kdelibs first, kdebase-runtime, then kdebase, then kdebase-workspace should get me a kdedesktop running |
| 23:01.08 | Pig_Pen | in that order |
| 23:01.30 | pinotree | yes (you need kdepimlibs for kdebase-runtime) |
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| 23:01.41 | Pig_Pen | ok |
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| 23:02.58 | Pig_Pen | cool! thanks again :) |
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| 23:03.52 | Pig_Pen | the rest looks the same: kdeartwork for themes and screensavers & etc... |
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| 23:23.02 | jadrian | what would be the best way to create kde frontends to non-kde programs? |
| 23:23.12 | jadrian | kommander? |
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