| 00:00.16 | lontra | noodles12: you sure you don't have kcontrol installed? try that |
| 00:00.51 | billybobobo | hm... good question then. Its likely a config file in /home/noodles/.kde/ somewhere, but not sure where... yeah try running 'kcontrol' from a run box or terminal |
| 00:01.03 | noodles12 | lontra: ok i'm retarded. i guess it was installed w/ teh libs automatically? |
| 00:01.08 | billybobobo | or just ditch gnome its not very fun or useful |
| 00:01.11 | billybobobo | ;) |
| 00:01.18 | glen___ | pinotree, like i would like to _browse_ :pserver:anonymous@rpm5.org:/cvs, but i don't want to checkout it locally |
| 00:01.19 | noodles12 | billybobobo: i like gnome =) |
| 00:01.21 | lontra | noodles12: likely |
| 00:01.59 | pinotree | glen___: you cannot do that with cervisia |
| 00:02.15 | glen___ | any cvs client for kde that can? |
| 00:02.16 | lontra | noodles12: why would use kpowersave though in gnome? why not gnome-power-manager? |
| 00:02.20 | billybobobo | i'm not sure what about gnome i dislike but i really do. granted, its better than a windows interface... but its like, no options for anything, lots of wasted space on apps... open/save dialogs are horrid... i dunno, not to my tastes. |
| 00:02.28 | glen___ | or it's already stuck how cvs works |
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| 00:02.40 | glen___ | as svn can even on commandline work remotely without local copy |
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| 00:03.22 | billybobobo | lontra: he wants to make the click only select, and double-click to open... i don't think noodles12 wants power saving... |
| 00:03.47 | noodles12 | lontra: i like how kpowersave lets u choose different cpu frequency policies. i didn't like the way the gnome-power-manager did it |
| 00:04.10 | billybobobo | as much as I love kde's one-click thing, it does get annoying when i want to select an icon and need to pull out the keyboard. guess its a trade off for the rest of the time when i don't want that work of double-clicking ;) |
| 00:04.12 | lontra | noodles12: i believe there's also a gnome applet for that too |
| 00:04.30 | lontra | billybobobo: you can set kde to double click |
| 00:04.38 | billybobobo | i don't want to tho! |
| 00:04.51 | billybobobo | yeah i know i could... |
| 00:05.29 | noodles12 | billybobobo: i'm just used to double-clicking, though the one-click is useful on lazy days. when i tried switching to kde i got overwhelmed because it felt too cluttered, and i didn't have the time to customize it myself so i just stuck w/ gnome and use kde programs i like. |
| 00:05.48 | lontra | noodles12: you can set up single click in gnome too |
| 00:06.19 | billybobobo | too cluttered huh... i guess thats the opposite of myy "gnome is too space-wasting" To each our own, thats the great part of all of this! |
| 00:06.54 | noodles12 | billybobobo: indeed. I may try kde again and set it up, i'm not sure if it's slowing down my computer to run kde-libs while using gnome |
| 00:07.34 | billybobobo | yes it would, two graphical libraries will slow it a bit (or use more RAM at least) |
| 00:07.45 | billybobobo | but I use a few gnome apps in my KDE |
| 00:07.53 | billybobobo | its bound to happen i think |
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| 00:08.24 | noodles12 | which ones do u use? curious because all the nice apps i have found are kde. k3b, k9copy etc. |
| 00:08.37 | billybobobo | for sure, the good ones are KDE ;) |
| 00:09.01 | billybobobo | I use Kopete but sometimes Pidgin or Gajim; Tovid; Miro... GTK apps at least |
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| 00:09.28 | billybobobo | not sure if there is a difference |
| 00:09.36 | billybobobo | (between Gnome and GTK) |
| 00:09.46 | lontra | gnome is built on GTK toolkit |
| 00:10.19 | billybobobo | sure, but are there Gnome apps that aren't GTK? or GTK which isn't considered Gnome? |
| 00:10.34 | lontra | xfce is built on GTK |
| 00:11.20 | billybobobo | but XFCE seems to load and use Gnome apps also |
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| 00:14.35 | billybobobo | aiight people i gotta go. Rock that KDE! |
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| 00:15.21 | dmilith | naah |
| 00:16.36 | billybobobo | smorg_ where in Mpls are you? |
| 00:18.51 | billybobobo | smorg_ you aren't Brian are you? |
| 00:18.56 | billybobobo | anyways see ya |
| 00:19.14 | smorg_ | nope :/ |
| 00:19.40 | smorg_ | west suburbs (plymouth/medina/wayzata area) |
| 00:20.12 | dmilith | e? |
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| 00:45.50 | Nihilist_Nerd | hello - I'm trying to run multiple X sessions and switch between them with Ctrl-Alt-F?, but I don't know how to specify the session type. Can somebody please help me? |
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| 01:11.31 | Mentiroso | Hola |
| 01:11.42 | Mentiroso | Alguien habla espaƱol por aqui? |
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| 01:23.12 | kelvie_ | hrm does throwing a script in $KDEHOME/Autostart not work anymore? |
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| 01:29.29 | kdepepo | kelvie_, KDE 4? |
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| 01:33.37 | kdepepo | kelvie_, fixed in 4.0.1, to be released in a couple of days. |
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| 01:48.09 | Norwat | hey |
| 01:48.16 | Norwat | i have a question |
| 01:48.26 | Norwat | i want to upgrade to kde4 |
| 01:48.47 | Norwat | so ... is kde4 as custumizable as kde3 ? |
| 01:49.21 | ganymede | Norwat: no, a lot of configuration options haven't been written yet |
| 01:49.45 | Norwat | is there an livecd that has kde4 ? |
| 01:49.51 | Norwat | so i can try it |
| 01:50.11 | Norwat | nvm i found it :) |
| 01:50.30 | Norwat | thanks |
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| 02:00.19 | jordoex | Hey, why isn't there a simple, svg'd kde chess game? |
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| 02:05.16 | rohanpm | jordoex: maybe no-one wrote one? |
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| 02:31.55 | tntcoda | hi, please can someone tell me where i can find a list of all the KDE4 frameworks & their respective documentation |
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| 02:36.53 | LinuxMan23 | damn, kde4 keeps crashing my xchat |
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| 02:45.39 | Gearwolf | Does anyone know what all KDE 4 can run in? |
| 02:45.57 | Gearwolf | ...can run in well, anyway. |
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| 02:47.54 | thesoko | KDE 4.0 isn't really inteded for end-user just yet, it's still under heavy development, but should be stabilized for KDE 4.1 this summer |
| 02:48.03 | thesoko | I think most of the developers are on Linux, though |
| 02:48.08 | LinuxMan23 | kde4 can now run in a win32 environment |
| 02:48.18 | thesoko | buut there's Mac OS X and Windows projects as well |
| 02:48.31 | LinuxMan23 | im running it in win32 right now |
| 02:48.39 | LinuxMan23 | and linux in vmware |
| 02:49.29 | Gearwolf | Not for endusers? Thought that's what all the release fluff was about, it was ready... |
| 02:49.55 | tech9iner | not what i read.. |
| 02:50.35 | Gearwolf | Even at the top of KDE room, it says it's stable... |
| 02:51.35 | tech9iner | Gearwolf: out not stable.. |
| 02:52.16 | Gearwolf | Huh. Well, I'd be willing to try it anyhow. What does it run best on in linux? |
| 02:52.40 | tech9iner | hmm.. not meant derogatory as it seems to read.. tad bit short mate.. |
| 02:53.53 | Gearwolf | Afraid I don't understand? Culpa? |
| 02:54.56 | tech9iner | Gearwolf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa |
| 02:56.04 | Gearwolf | Alright, no problem. |
| 02:56.37 | Gearwolf | What are you running now? |
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| 02:59.30 | kelvie | Arg... what would cause me not being able to log out of KDE? |
| 02:59.40 | tech9iner | actually... this is a truly the best version of 'mea culpa' .. enough so i played cassett tapes of its original album 2x back in the day lads ;]] |
| 02:59.41 | kelvie | I press "log out" and it... doesn't... |
| 02:59.45 | kelvie | nothing happens |
| 02:59.59 | tech9iner | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBBHJZD7BXM |
| 03:00.03 | kelvie | "'switch user" pops up krunner |
| 03:00.51 | LinuxMan23 | does anyone know how to delete shortcuts from the KDE4 start menu?? its been bugging me for months now and i have like a million crappy shortcuts |
| 03:01.43 | Gearwolf | Krunner runs? Sounds like a logging issue. Have you tried a hard reset? |
| 03:02.08 | tech9iner | if you must hear 'mea culpa' may it be from someone that looks as good as Sanda Cretu doth sound on this track..... does a true bitch'elor's ears justice most every time.. perfectly so when 'enjoying' a lady fairest.. |
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| 03:02.37 | tech9iner | great song for low lights indeed ;] |
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| 03:13.17 | Tman | is there a way to move the taskbar (like to another screen) with KDE4 yet? |
| 03:13.34 | drini | this is probably a faq by now |
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| 03:19.15 | thesoko | sco50000: System Settings -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Command Shortcuts :) |
| 03:19.49 | sco50000 | thesoko: thanks :D |
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| 03:36.06 | drini | is there a way to *restart* the KHotkeys daemon upon start? |
| 03:36.21 | drini | keyboard shorcuts don't work unless I go SystemSettings / Advanced / Input |
| 03:36.34 | drini | and there I disable KHotkeys and then reactivate it |
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| 03:37.52 | Gearwolf | make a short cut to your desktop.. or script it |
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| 03:38.30 | drini | shorcutting.. I don't know how I would shortcut the restart or the Input configuration dialog |
| 03:38.49 | drini | but if you point me somethng to read so I can learn to script it |
| 03:38.53 | drini | I'd be thankful |
| 03:39.50 | Gearwolf | Looking for it right now.. |
| 03:39.55 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I just read on /. that KDE is finally available for windows. I tried to download the installer from the kde site but got the service is not available. Is it due to slashdotting or that the installer iis removed. Thanks |
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| 03:49.14 | drini | only a few of the major apps work, if I understand correctly, kdallas |
| 03:49.19 | drini | although games do work ;) |
| 03:49.38 | drini | you may want to checkout kde under cygwinX (3.5 series) |
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| 03:52.14 | K_Dallas | drini, well, i havent read much about it but i thought to give it a try and see how it looks under windows |
| 03:52.36 | drini | I read about it.. I think I'll wait a couple of months |
| 03:52.40 | K_Dallas | basically, i think that is a good idea regardless of many oppositions or doubts out there |
| 03:52.45 | drini | I'm not that interested on seeing kicker only ;) |
| 03:52.59 | K_Dallas | oh! maybe i just install-uninstall it then ;) |
| 03:53.21 | jrick | mmhmm |
| 03:53.28 | K_Dallas | i used to use cygwin though + kde but never used it seriously |
| 03:53.29 | drini | well you could run kde under cygwin (ported) or from a linux machine with an Xserver for.. years |
| 03:53.44 | K_Dallas | or i could reboot into my linux ;) |
| 03:54.22 | K_Dallas | so is it an alpha release, or it is a beta? |
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| 03:55.00 | K_Dallas | KDE on Windows is mostly in an alpha state |
| 03:55.04 | ploo | how do you change the kmenu icon? |
| 03:55.40 | K_Dallas | well, thank you guys and good luck with KDE-Windows project |
| 03:56.41 | drini | prealpha even :P |
| 03:56.57 | drini | ploo: you wait until 4.1 :P (canonical answer nowadays) |
| 03:57.42 | ploo | to change an icon? oh yes |
| 03:57.48 | ploo | its kmenu.png right? |
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| 03:58.27 | sco50000 | in the KDE help center if i press "build search indexes" it opens a dialog that shows Aplication Manuals missing. and then it lets me select a directory. i tried /usr/share/doc/ but it didn't work. what am i supposed to do. is there a package i need to install? |
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| 04:06.08 | Gearwolf | Nope, just seems that way... |
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| 05:21.56 | insane_coder | My KDE 4 review is now up for those who care: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2008/01/kde-4-review-insane-style.html |
| 05:24.15 | troy | insane_coder: you complain about a lack of 'media' in the places part of the file dialog -- have you ever tried inserting a cd while in that dialog? |
| 05:24.35 | insane_coder | troy: was not able to at the time |
| 05:24.51 | troy | insane_coder: dude, media is automatically registered in the places list when you plug it in |
| 05:24.58 | insane_coder | oh, that's good |
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| 05:26.01 | insane_coder | troy: BTW, don't think I hate KDE or anything, I absolutely love it, you should see how I really bash GNOME in my previous articles. I just want to make sure people think more about their design of these things |
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| 05:31.01 | wolfmankurd | lol |
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| 05:31.59 | troy | wolfmankurd's lol'ed at something while my connection was taking a crap :) |
| 05:32.09 | insane_coder | troy: BTW, don't think I hate KDE or anything, I absolutely love it, you should see how I really bash GNOME in my previous articles. I just want to make sure people think more about their design of these things |
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| 05:32.45 | wolfmankurd | troy: I guess you'll never know the amazingly pants-peeingly funny thing you missed :( |
| 05:32.49 | insane_coder | oh BTW, are any more of the videos from the release event at Google up? The Keynote by aseigo was fantastic, but I want more :( |
| 05:32.55 | wolfmankurd | it as life afirmming |
| 05:33.36 | troy | insane_coder: yeah - check out Wade Olson's blog - he has links to most of the other talks up |
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| 05:35.26 | insane_coder | troy: got a link to that? |
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| 05:35.46 | troy | insane_coder: you are also making assumptions that are not true in many places - for example, the monitor filesystem thing only works for local filesystems - what if you are using ftp over kio, then the refresh button is quite useful :) |
| 05:36.16 | troy | yeah, one second while I track it down :) |
| 05:36.17 | insane_coder | troy: I know |
| 05:36.21 | aroedl | Where can I find a download link to Aarons keynote? I already saw it twice, but a lot of people are asking me about it. |
| 05:36.33 | insane_coder | aroedl: one sec |
| 05:36.40 | troy | http://wadejolson.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/release-event-speech-links/ |
| 05:37.07 | aroedl | sorry |
| 05:37.13 | insane_coder | http://pastebin.com/f7a71c2a |
| 05:37.29 | aroedl | Thanks! |
| 05:37.35 | troy | insane_coder: "Remember how I spoke about how Windows added annoying virtual locations? Seems KDE copied them down the last annoying detail. Now "/home/insane" appears as "Home" in the crumb viewer (and no absolute path anywhere)." try clicking a few pixels to the right of the breadcrumb widget :) |
| 05:37.49 | insane_coder | I did |
| 05:37.56 | troy | you should get the full path |
| 05:38.03 | insane_coder | I tried clicking all around it :( |
| 05:38.17 | insane_coder | unless you mean even more to the right |
| 05:38.24 | insane_coder | since the botton from the betas is no longer there |
| 05:38.27 | insane_coder | button* |
| 05:38.36 | troy | yeah, just like 5 pixels to the right |
| 05:38.44 | boubbin | does someone like kde 4, i think it sucks compared to 3.5.8 ? |
| 05:38.49 | insane_coder | I'm pretty sure I tried that |
| 05:38.53 | troy | boubbin: I love it :) |
| 05:39.02 | insane_coder | troy: why the heck was the old button removed? |
| 05:39.07 | boubbin | can you customize the panels in kde4 ? |
| 05:39.09 | troy | insane_coder: try again - you'll get the path editor, unless something is broken on your install |
| 05:39.25 | troy | boubbin: nope, unless you edit the config file - but it's fixed somewhat for 4.0.1 which is due later this month |
| 05:39.27 | insane_coder | anyways, I'll try again clicking around, maybe I'm missing something due to my not so stellar eye sight |
| 05:39.44 | aroedl | boubbin: You're talking about KDE 4.0.0, right? |
| 05:39.49 | boubbin | aroedl yeah |
| 05:39.51 | troy | boubbin: it's a common complaint, but if that's the only thing you can complain about, then we did a good job :) |
| 05:40.10 | troy | boubbin: the matter of the problem is that we simply ran out of time :) |
| 05:40.17 | boubbin | well i dont like kde4 at all, but i love 3.5.8 big time |
| 05:40.17 | insane_coder | troy: if you want a laugh, see what I wrote about GTK here: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/03/file-dialogs.html and see some of the comments about it below |
| 05:40.19 | troy | boubbin: so it's already fixed in trunk and the 4.0.x branch :) |
| 05:40.20 | aroedl | boubbin: Well, it's hard to compare 4.0.0 with 3.5.8. You should wait until 4.5.8 comes out. |
| 05:40.31 | hdh | aroedl: keynote torrent http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3991349 |
| 05:40.42 | aroedl | hdh: Thank you! |
| 05:40.58 | troy | insane_coder: hell, click anywhere on the blank space to the right of the breadcrumb and you should get the path-- I can go right to the edge of the window and it still works, which is a lot easier to hit than a little button |
| 05:41.06 | insane_coder | BTW, is it just me, or does the K Menu now seem a bit harder to use in the average case? |
| 05:41.12 | boubbin | when is sdthe support of kde3 going to end finally, it is already ? |
| 05:41.25 | troy | boubbin: 3.5.9 is slated for february :) |
| 05:41.34 | boubbin | nice |
| 05:41.45 | insane_coder | troy: okay, I'm loading up KDE 4 again, I'll check |
| 05:41.45 | boubbin | but thats the final ? |
| 05:41.50 | insane_coder | boubbin: no |
| 05:41.57 | troy | boubbin: I expect that within a year, 4.x will be nice and stable, feature complete, and most 3.x stuff will have been ported |
| 05:41.59 | insane_coder | buisiness still want fixes for a while to come |
| 05:42.12 | boubbin | troy that sounds good. |
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| 05:42.20 | troy | boubbin: but, 3.5.x will be around for security/bugfixes for quite some time |
| 05:42.59 | boubbin | that info is a big relief as i look my opinions about kde4 atm |
| 05:43.41 | insane_coder | troy: thanks for the link, I'm downloading the CEO's vid now ;) |
| 05:44.23 | troy | boubbin: I expect that by summer, kde 4.x will be good enough for those of you who complain about three missing features to use... you speak as though all of 4.0.0 is a failure for the three features that don't work from 3.5.x, but really, you people have no real idea of how many open source projects have gone through the same thing |
| 05:44.42 | troy | PHP didn't work in apache 2.0.0 at all, and that's somewhat of a more important thing than being able to resize the panel :P |
| 05:45.10 | boubbin | panel, k-menu are the biggest problems :/ |
| 05:45.23 | troy | boubbin: you can replace the kmenu with the classic one in about three click |
| 05:45.27 | insane_coder | troy: I thought the biggest problem with KDE 4 was the lack of something to flip my eggs when they start burning |
| 05:45.56 | benJIman | troy: The panel wastes 170,000 pixels on my screen. |
| 05:46.01 | troy | boubbin: simply right-click and remove the existing one, and then (assuming you have extragear/plasma install), go to the plasma applet browser, and drag the Classic menu to the panel :) |
| 05:46.04 | benJIman | I'd quite like to use them for something actually useful. |
| 05:46.04 | insane_coder | BTW, what tools are the developers using to make all the SVG images? |
| 05:46.14 | troy | benJIman: fixed already in both trunk and 4.0.x branch :) |
| 05:46.18 | hdh | benJIman: I killed my panel, got the whole screen |
| 05:46.24 | benJIman | troy: Can other windows cover it now? |
| 05:46.29 | benJIman | It was using hardcoded kwin struts. |
| 05:46.30 | aroedl | Well, I like to compare KDE4.0.0 with OSX 10.0.0. It wasn't usable at all for the average user. But it was the beginning of a new era. |
| 05:46.31 | boubbin | troy then i just have to give some more time to kde4 and look around it. theres just something wrong i waited it for so long and the got disappointed.. |
| 05:47.01 | insane_coder | aroedl: yeah, a new error of broken GCC builds |
| 05:47.06 | insane_coder | era of* |
| 05:47.09 | hdh | insane_coder: the oxygen devs are in #oxygen |
| 05:47.37 | troy | boubbin: ah, you got tied up in the hype, which is a bizarre thing for us - we tried to control it, making sure that everyone knows that 4.0.0 is just the start of the 4.x series, but everyone thought that this one would have the polish of 4.5.0 or something.... |
| 05:47.58 | benJIman | Well to be honest the announcement didn't even mention that it wasn't ready for end users. |
| 05:48.06 | benJIman | And it could have been tagged as such. |
| 05:48.26 | insane_coder | boubbin: yeah, KDE 4.0.0 is about eating your children, if you want something stable and polished wait for 4.1 or 4.2 |
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| 05:48.46 | troy | benJIman: how many end users actively install and build things that are not shipped with the distro? by doing exactly that, you proved that you are not a typical end user :) |
| 05:48.47 | aroedl | :-P |
| 05:48.48 | boubbin | yeah, thanks for you time. |
| 05:48.51 | troy | aroedl: that might be a decade :) |
| 05:49.01 | benJIman | troy: No, but reviewers do |
| 05:49.03 | aroedl | No problem. |
| 05:49.07 | benJIman | http://noobfarm.org/?332 |
| 05:49.24 | troy | aroedl: talking to trolltech, they claim they have absolutely zero plans on the table for a Qt 5 right now, which means that we could be here for a long time :) |
| 05:49.30 | insane_coder | does anyone really think that KDE 4.1 will be stable on Windows? |
| 05:49.44 | hdh | #kde-windows ? |
| 05:49.49 | troy | insane_coder: well, it does surprisingly well right now with 4.0 on windows :) |
| 05:50.00 | insane_coder | troy: yeah, just about everything crashes |
| 05:50.18 | insane_coder | but I guess I should set my expectations low and be surprised that I see anything |
| 05:50.35 | aroedl | troy: I'm not missing any feature in Qt4.4. I just hope that Phonon rocks. That's very important for professional audio software developers. |
| 05:50.38 | troy | insane_coder: the mac stuff is much further along, based on my experiences... |
| 05:50.41 | insane_coder | the games seem to work, nothing else does though |
| 05:50.58 | troy | aroedl: Phonon is not for professional audio folks at all - that's missing the point entirely |
| 05:51.04 | insane_coder | and I really want KDE 4 on Windows for KATE, KHexEdit, and Konsole |
| 05:51.47 | troy | aroedl: professional audio types should be using their backends directly -- phonon is to be able to add mutlimedia to applications in a few lines of code without having to worry about the implementation details at all |
| 05:51.53 | troy | aroedl: totally missing the point :) |
| 05:52.26 | insane_coder | if you want low latency, you really can't have all kinds of servers and wrapers in the middle |
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| 05:52.47 | troy | insane_coder: well, it's not the latency that's really the problem - it's the lack of direct control |
| 05:52.57 | insane_coder | troy: oh trust me, it's a problem |
| 05:53.08 | insane_coder | for your average sound app of course not |
| 05:53.18 | insane_coder | but for a game that generates sound on the fly, it's a major issue |
| 05:53.20 | aroedl | troy: Oh really? Some of the most successful audio software is based on "JUCE", another "multi-plattform" toolkit. A lot of professional audio software isn't using the backend directly. |
| 05:53.52 | troy | aroedl: well, if that's the case, then great -- however, this is not the use case for phonon, and I really hope that we haven't been giving that impression from any official sources... |
| 05:54.07 | insane_coder | troy: you don't want to be playing a game, and shoot some monster, and then hear it explode 1.5 seconds after it did |
| 05:54.08 | aroedl | troy: I'm one of the developers of East-Wests "Play", the most advanced software sampler. And this one is based on Qt (for the GUI) and JUCE (for the audio part) |
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| 05:54.32 | troy | insane_coder: phonon is more like 5ms lag at most for most sounds, depending on the backend of course |
| 05:54.39 | aroedl | troy: I know, but it's the right direction, I hope. |
| 05:54.50 | insane_coder | troy: 5MS? that absurdly low |
| 05:55.10 | insane_coder | ALSA generally can't get below 40ms, ignoring all the wrappers over it |
| 05:55.12 | aroedl | 5ms is almost unbelievable low. |
| 05:55.14 | troy | aroedl: well, it'll be totally a waste of time for you to use phonon for professional audio development, as it's simply don't it's point.... |
| 05:55.22 | troy | aroedl: fast computer here perhaps :) |
| 05:55.42 | insane_coder | OSS 4 can get you down to like 10ms if you use it directly |
| 05:55.43 | troy | aroedl: also, that's assuming that it doesn't need to be decoded, but is more or less being piped |
| 05:56.14 | troy | as soon as you add decoding, well, all is lost :P |
| 05:56.32 | insane_coder | troy: depends with what, OSS 4 for example can do AC3 decoding internally |
| 05:56.48 | troy | insane_coder: I don't think phonon can take advantage of that |
| 05:57.01 | insane_coder | you can probably also achieve similar results with OpenAL using Creative Drivers and stuff |
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| 05:59.56 | troy | insane_coder: that path editor button is gone because you just click on the breadcrumb widget itself - I see how you're slagging both dolphin and the file dialog for it, but you're simply mistaken :) |
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| 06:01.16 | insane_coder | troy: I'll have a look, but don't you think it should be more obvious? |
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| 06:01.40 | troy | insane_coder: also, ALT+UP works to traverse up a directory in dolphin and the file dialog, just like in konq... it's just the button that's missing by default... and in dolphin at least, you can add it back in the configure toolbars dialog... |
| 06:02.05 | insane_coder | works from the stupid virtual Home? |
| 06:02.07 | troy | and actually, in my save dialog, it's there too, which makes your 'can't escape home thing' a moot point, since it works as expected... |
| 06:02.11 | troy | yeah :) |
| 06:02.22 | insane_coder | I'll test it now |
| 06:02.33 | insane_coder | loading up Dolphin |
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| 06:03.11 | insane_coder | troy: and in the file dialog, the up doesn't work from Home, as you see what I wrote, it doesn't work |
| 06:03.35 | troy | it works for me |
| 06:03.47 | troy | I still think you have a broken install, since I'm using 4.0.0 and I'm not seeing these problems |
| 06:04.12 | troy | If I'm in "Home" and I hit the up arrow, I get put into "Root > home" as expected |
| 06:04.19 | aroedl | It works for me. |
| 06:04.30 | insane_coder | Okay, I see what you mean about Alt+Up, that works, also if you click at exactly the right, however, it is completely unintuitive |
| 06:04.51 | troy | insane_coder: it doesn't have to be 'exactly the right', it can be anywhere to the right of the breadcrumb |
| 06:05.03 | insane_coder | troy: it is unintuitive |
| 06:05.08 | aroedl | insane_coder: I don't have to click on "exactly the right". I can click anywhere to the right. |
| 06:05.12 | insane_coder | there is no visual cue that one can click there for anything else |
| 06:05.16 | aroedl | troy: :-) |
| 06:05.23 | downhillgames | what is "breadcrumb" anyway? |
| 06:05.26 | troy | insane_coder: there is a visual cue - the cursor shows up when you hover over that region |
| 06:05.36 | insane_coder | troy: yes, but not before that |
| 06:05.41 | insane_coder | I have no idea to move my mouse there |
| 06:05.47 | aroedl | insane_coder: Its a mouse over. As soon as you mouse over the bar, you can see a "cursor". |
| 06:06.02 | troy | or hit F6, if you're used to firefox hotkeys :) |
| 06:06.40 | insane_coder | both of you humor me, say I'm a stupid user looking how to switch to another mode, there is nothing on screen which suggests it's possible, until I start blindly moving around |
| 06:06.44 | aroedl | downhillgames: http://jakilinux.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/vol10_4x_dolphin_breadcrumb.png |
| 06:06.48 | troy | which, btw, does not work in the filedialog but only in dolphin - I should file a bug for consistency |
| 06:07.03 | downhillgames | tyvm, aroedl |
| 06:07.11 | insane_coder | troy: BTW what about all the other issues I pointed out? |
| 06:07.14 | downhillgames | ooooh the little navigation thing |
| 06:07.30 | aroedl | downhillgames: But the shot is from a very early version. |
| 06:07.56 | insane_coder | troy: BTW, if we want to say that reload is needed in a file viewer, why is it in the file dialog, but not Dolphin? |
| 06:08.17 | troy | insane_coder: many of which are very silly :) for example, you want to move the encoding stuff -- well, first off, the encoding line only shows up in those programs that need to worry about encoding, so it's not in most file dialogs, and secondly, you would have them add a second line anyway in your mockup, only in the top.... |
| 06:08.36 | insane_coder | troy: my mockup ads 0 lines |
| 06:08.37 | troy | insane_coder: that's also a consistency problem, but in dolphin it's very easy to add from the toolbar config dialog |
| 06:08.40 | insane_coder | all id did was rearrange |
| 06:08.56 | troy | insane_coder: well, you moved the breadcrumb down onto it's own line, which is adding a line |
| 06:08.59 | fage_ | is there a listing of every possible setting under [Desktop Entry] in .desktop files ? |
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| 06:09.29 | troy | insane_coder: you can argu that it doesn't span the whole window width, but neither does the original encoding drop-down |
| 06:09.33 | insane_coder | troy: no, since I moved the encoding up to an existing line which is -1, and if my math is right, -1 + +1 = 0 |
| 06:09.53 | downhillgames | I wonder if there will be h.624 versions later |
| 06:09.56 | insane_coder | I don't want it to span the whole width, the maximum encoding is like 20 letters |
| 06:10.24 | troy | insane_coder: which means that you have not changed anything wrt net lines used at all - and your mockup improves nothing :) |
| 06:10.58 | insane_coder | troy: on the contrary, my mockup gives more room to the crumb browser for deeper paths |
| 06:11.13 | insane_coder | room which it takes from the waste of the encoding selector |
| 06:11.38 | insane_coder | nice tvtoon found my quotable :D |
| 06:11.42 | insane_coder | me* |
| 06:12.02 | troy | insane_coder: but you forget that the encoding is only there in some dialogs (kwrite for example) and not all (try konq's open dialog), so in dialogs where it's not present, you've changed the top line from one line (icons+breadcrumb) to two lines (icons on one, breadcrumb on second) |
| 06:12.22 | insane_coder | troy: in those cases, it can be the same line :P |
| 06:12.31 | insane_coder | seriously, as it is now is ridiculus |
| 06:12.38 | insane_coder | and WTH happened to my split directory and file view? |
| 06:12.41 | downhillgames | speaking of encoding... is there a way to encode video to/from any format in KDE3.5 or 4.0? |
| 06:12.41 | troy | no, you are ridiculous :P |
| 06:12.53 | insane_coder | downhillgames: use MEncoder |
| 06:12.54 | downhillgames | that's audio and video |
| 06:13.00 | downhillgames | graphically? |
| 06:13.00 | troy | downhillgames: try VLC, it works nicely for that stuff - and 0.9.x is made with Qt even :) |
| 06:13.04 | insane_coder | no |
| 06:13.12 | aroedl | insane_coder: I just took a look at your mockup for the first time. Is it true that all you did was moving the encoding selector to the top of the dialog? |
| 06:13.18 | downhillgames | VLC doesn't work worth crud for me |
| 06:13.28 | downhillgames | I'm talking like MediaCoder or somethin' for Linux :-) |
| 06:13.31 | insane_coder | aroedl: yes compare the previous screenie side by side |
| 06:13.37 | troy | downhillgames: like I said, try 0.9.x (from snapshots) |
| 06:13.43 | downhillgames | troy; mk! |
| 06:13.48 | aroedl | insane_coder: I have both shots open side by side. |
| 06:14.04 | insane_coder | aroedl: both images should have equal height |
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| 06:14.33 | aroedl | insane_coder: yeah, but... why? I mean, where is the improvement? |
| 06:14.41 | troy | I see no improvement either |
| 06:14.56 | insane_coder | aroedl: I found giving more room to the crumbs and less room to the encoding selector an improvement |
| 06:15.02 | aroedl | insane_coder: I'm just a user and not a KDE developer, but I don't understand the reason of your change. |
| 06:15.06 | insane_coder | troy: you still haven't told me where the split view has gone |
| 06:15.10 | aroedl | insane_coder: ic |
| 06:15.20 | troy | insane_coder: it's gone :) I never even knew it existed :) |
| 06:15.36 | insane_coder | troy: F12 in the old menu, or press the wrench and select it |
| 06:15.43 | insane_coder | and I don't see why you're happy that it's gone |
| 06:16.15 | aroedl | insane_coder: What is the split view? |
| 06:16.24 | aroedl | insane_coder: The same as pressing F3 in dolphin? |
| 06:16.29 | troy | I mean, it'd be trivial to add it back, since the file dialog is based on dolphin's icon views, which has a split view mode... still, I didn't even know it existed before, so I'm not missing it :) |
| 06:16.31 | insane_coder | no |
| 06:16.36 | insane_coder | see the image I provided |
| 06:16.47 | insane_coder | troy: no Dolphin does not have the split view |
| 06:16.59 | insane_coder | http://bp1.blogger.com/_vLES3KKBdaM/R5gTVwUsw_I/AAAAAAAAACk/yySIH1GMy4U/s1600-h/kde3-fds.png |
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| 06:17.24 | brmassa | guys, anyone knows how to stop KONQUEROR from searching a word on STRIGI everytime i click with the middle button on a html page? (kubuntu 7.10) |
| 06:17.49 | aroedl | insane_coder: ah, ic. |
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| 06:18.18 | troy | that view looks very confusing - some combination of the folders on the left, the path on top, and more folders in the middle -- I have no idea what folder I'm currently in... |
| 06:18.36 | insane_coder | troy: the left is the directories, the right is the files |
| 06:18.40 | troy | my guess is to trust the location bar on top |
| 06:18.43 | insane_coder | ever used Windows 3? |
| 06:19.00 | troy | however, is the point of this view to simply separate the folders from the listing? |
| 06:19.04 | insane_coder | yes |
| 06:19.11 | insane_coder | and it was removed from KDE 4 |
| 06:19.13 | troy | in that case, good riddance :) |
| 06:19.17 | insane_coder | ... |
| 06:19.36 | insane_coder | people who used it, with the same token, can say good riddance to KDE 4 |
| 06:19.40 | downhillgames | really, aroedl? |
| 06:19.47 | aroedl | downhillgames: yeah, really. |
| 06:19.56 | downhillgames | aroedl; you're not missing a WHOLE lot lol |
| 06:19.57 | aroedl | downhillgames: Amiga -> Linux. |
| 06:20.00 | downhillgames | ever used mac? |
| 06:20.00 | insane_coder | even worse, Dolphin just becomes redundant with it's tree view on the left |
| 06:20.14 | aroedl | downhillgames: For a couple of hours. |
| 06:20.26 | troy | insane_coder: no really - when windows moved from win 3.x to win95, to winxp and so forth, did they maintain the old file dialog on all windows applications just to please some win3.x users? |
| 06:20.36 | insane_coder | to understand the evolution of file dialogs, read this: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/03/file-dialogs.html |
| 06:20.39 | downhillgames | wow aroedl :) that's pretty outstanding |
| 06:20.51 | insane_coder | troy: many people were very upset how the split view vanished in Windows 4 |
| 06:21.09 | troy | insane_coder: and how many of those many have gotten over it by now? |
| 06:21.09 | downhillgames | I reboot every once in a while to Windows just to, I guess, remind myself how much it sucks, lol |
| 06:21.24 | aroedl | downhillgames: Well, I don't know... :-) It's just natural for me to be on Unix (I had the unix additions on Amiga). |
| 06:21.25 | insane_coder | troy: all the ones that switched to KDE because it still had it certainly did it |
| 06:21.35 | downhillgames | hehe |
| 06:21.46 | insane_coder | and I personally when seeing a large jumble, loved to hit F12 and break it up just to scout for one or the other |
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| 06:22.20 | aroedl | downhillgames: Well, I _was_ sitting in front of a Windows machine a few times. But I'd say that it was like a few hours all in all. |
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| 06:22.40 | troy | insane_coder: that reminds me of when kde 1.1.2 was coming out with the high colour icons that were now the new default, and everyone threatening to switch away from KDE because their 40-colour palette would be eaten up by all the icons.... people just need to get over it sometimes, especially if the old stuff is unmaintained, or volunteer to maintain it themselves... |
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| 06:23.10 | insane_coder | troy: oh please, that's just a cop out, and you know it |
| 06:23.14 | troy | insane_coder: you see, half of the problem is a maintenance problem - it's not like we go out of the way to shaft people |
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| 06:23.23 | downhillgames | aroedl; all I can think to say is: Lucky! :p |
| 06:23.25 | insane_coder | maintence? what maintence? |
| 06:23.38 | aroedl | downhillgames: I outright hated to use Windows. I had to call a friend of mine to tell me how to burn the Linux install cd as I got my new Vista-pre-installed notebook. |
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| 06:23.51 | insane_coder | troy: do you develop software? |
| 06:23.55 | troy | insane_coder: the icon views were totally rewritten in 4.x, so if no one stepped up to port the old views, they simply have fallen into unmaintained... |
| 06:24.06 | troy | insane_coder: check KDE svn for 'troy' :) |
| 06:24.09 | downhillgames | did you get a refund, aroedl? :D |
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| 06:24.17 | insane_coder | troy: fine I'll check CIA about you |
| 06:24.43 | insane_coder | but I doubt it's that hard to keep up a split view, especially since a properly written split view shouldn't need to be changed when the icons do |
| 06:24.50 | troy | you'll probably find mostly dot related commits |
| 06:24.55 | insane_coder | it should now how to filter based on type, and keep the same view otherwise |
| 06:25.07 | insane_coder | troy: well, you do post the commit digests |
| 06:25.08 | aroedl | downhillgames: Didn't really care. Guess, it's too much efford. I paid my MS tax, without ever using it for real. |
| 06:25.24 | troy | insane_coder: wait, you don't understand - qt4 introduced a 100% new way of managing icon views -- all of the icon views were rewritten |
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| 06:25.44 | insane_coder | troy: I do understand I had a file browsing app written in Qt 3 which I had to port to Qt 4 |
| 06:25.47 | troy | insane_coder: so they are 100% new code - and if no one wanted to rewrite the old stuff, then it simply doesn't get done -- volunteers, remember? |
| 06:25.48 | downhillgames | aroedl; unfortunate, isn't it? (the cost of Windohs) |
| 06:26.03 | aroedl | downhillgames: True. |
| 06:26.04 | MasseR | Where on earth can I make konqueror ask to save password again after I've clicked the "Don't ask me again" |
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| 06:26.29 | troy | MasseR: you need to open up the kwallet control thingy and remove that website from the 'don' |
| 06:26.35 | troy | from the don't ask list... |
| 06:26.54 | insane_coder | troy: if you read my blog more, you see I mostly focus on files, I spend a lot of time writing file related libraries, and all kinds of file viewers/browsers |
| 06:27.04 | MasseR | troy: Kdewallet manager? |
| 06:27.54 | troy | MasseR: I don't remember what it's called in 3.5.x, but in 4.0 it's called "kwalletmanager" -- should be the same in 3.5.x though I think |
| 06:28.01 | aroedl | MasseR: Do you see an icon that looks like a wallet in your system tray? |
| 06:28.02 | MasseR | I don't find the part you're talking about |
| 06:28.04 | downhillgames | aroedl; at least it's optional, as you so outstandingly point out :-) |
| 06:28.07 | MasseR | aroedl: Yep |
| 06:28.19 | MasseR | aroedl: And then Configure wallets |
| 06:28.22 | aroedl | MasseR: Right mouse click |
| 06:28.22 | oneforall | cmake -i is not even any good to use to figure out making a list here :( left configure options right column what to use for cmake |
| 06:28.22 | troy | insane_coder: well, if you spend so much time writing this stuff, please write the view you need, and send a patch to kfm-devel |
| 06:28.38 | MasseR | aroedl: And then where? |
| 06:28.50 | aroedl | MasseR: Second tab... |
| 06:29.15 | MasseR | aroedl: There's only the applications |
| 06:29.24 | MasseR | And konqueror has "Always allow" |
| 06:29.58 | troy | MasseR: weird, I can't find it :/ |
| 06:29.58 | aroedl | MasseR: wait a second. |
| 06:30.09 | insane_coder | troy: if I know the patch will be accepted if it's good, I probably will |
| 06:30.18 | aroedl | troy: It isn't there. Must be in the konqueror settings, I guess. |
| 06:30.40 | MasseR | aroedl: Can't find it in there either |
| 06:31.24 | troy | well, it has to exist somewhere :P /me goes grepping through .kde |
| 06:31.43 | downhillgames | troy; when you find it, tag it with Dolphin ;) |
| 06:31.54 | troy | hahaha |
| 06:32.02 | downhillgames | :) |
| 06:32.18 | SSJ_GZ | MasseR: troy - .kde/share/apps/khtml/formcompletions, IIRC |
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| 06:32.32 | downhillgames | I'm outtie... see you folks around :-D |
| 06:32.46 | troy | I guess it's in .kde/share/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl but that's encrypted.... |
| 06:32.47 | downhillgames | keep it, it's yours |
| 06:33.52 | troy | can't find it, sorry... |
| 06:34.05 | DeuX-Office | thanks downhillgames |
| 06:34.06 | DeuX-Office | :P |
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| 06:48.17 | arjuna | Hey what's the best of the best of the best linux distribution? |
| 06:48.32 | MasseR | troy: |
| 06:48.45 | MasseR | ~/.kde/share/apps/khtml/formcompletions |
| 06:48.46 | MasseR | :) |
| 06:48.51 | MasseR | Thanks for all your help |
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| 06:49.19 | troy | SSJ_GZ: I have never hit 'never', so I couldn't find it with grep myself :) |
| 06:49.31 | aroedl | :-) |
| 06:49.32 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe :) |
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| 06:51.37 | h3h_timo | hey all, is there a specific channel for kde on windows? |
| 06:51.52 | troy | I don't know if one exists yet... /me checks #kde-windows |
| 06:52.02 | troy | yep, it exists :) |
| 06:52.15 | h3h_timo | thanks lol i shoulda tried that |
| 06:52.32 | troy | KDE/Mac is in #kde-darwin or #darwin-kde -- can't remember which one |
| 06:53.00 | troy | ahh, the first one |
| 06:55.02 | h3h_timo | does anyone in here know if you can install more kde apps then what come with the kdewin-installer? |
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| 06:55.47 | troy | h3h_timo: I think what's listed in the installer is the total amount of working apps right now... it will be updated as more apps pop up... |
| 06:55.51 | ploo | whats best desktop applets like superkaramba that work in kde? |
| 06:56.02 | insane_coder | troy: I'm pretty sure I saw another app |
| 06:56.11 | insane_coder | there's that database managment app |
| 06:56.15 | insane_coder | is it Kexi? |
| 06:56.16 | troy | kexi, yes |
| 06:56.21 | troy | it's part of koffice |
| 06:56.40 | insane_coder | right, so IIRC, it's not in the KDE Installer, but you can get a Windows build of it on the Kexi site |
| 06:57.11 | troy | it'll also be available in the windows installer once 2.0 stabilizes... the one on the website is built against kde 3.5.x iirc |
| 06:57.26 | troy | iirc, it was actually the only successful 3.5.x app to be ported to windows :) |
| 06:58.21 | h3h_timo | troy, alright thanks |
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| 07:02.00 | arjuna | what are some good click distro? |
| 07:03.54 | Sho_ | arjuna: Do you mean an easy desktop- and end-user-centric distro by "click distro"? |
| 07:04.24 | arjuna | Sho_ yes |
| 07:04.56 | Sho_ | arjuna: I'd say openSUSE 10.3 fits that bill pretty well |
| 07:05.02 | aroedl | I thought, he means a Klik-based distribution... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klik_(packaging) |
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| 07:05.52 | aroedl | arjuna: Try openSUSE or kubuntu. |
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| 07:07.04 | arjuna | <aroedl> what about mint or pclinuxos? |
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| 07:10.47 | aroedl | arjuna: I'd say that openSUSE is more complete than mint or pclinuxos. |
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| 07:12.02 | aroedl | arjuna: There is about 10 years of experience in (open)SUSE, whereas pclinuxos is pretty new on the market. |
| 07:14.35 | arjuna | aroedl> is suse chinese? |
| 07:15.03 | aroedl | arjuna: As far as I know: yes. |
| 07:15.59 | Sho_ | aroedl: SUSE was founded in Germany and is primarily developed there. |
| 07:16.03 | aroedl | arjuna: Well, its root is based in Germany and now it's developed world wide, but it can be configured to "speak" chinese. |
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| 07:16.26 | aroedl | Sho_: Misunderstood his question. |
| 07:16.28 | arjuna | suse is a japanese food isn't it? |
| 07:16.45 | arjuna | what do you think about ubuntu? i'been using it for a white is it experienced? |
| 07:16.48 | Sho_ | arjuna: It's also a German female first name |
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| 07:17.02 | aroedl | arjuna: SuSE is "System and Software Entwicklung" and means "System and Software Development". |
| 07:17.22 | arjuna | Sho_> ok |
| 07:18.05 | arjuna | <aroedl> which system teaches me to be apimp? |
| 07:18.51 | aroedl | arjuna: "apimp"? |
| 07:19.38 | arjuna | aroedl> yeah |
| 07:19.46 | arjuna | aroedl> like has lots of game like features |
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| 07:21.42 | arjuna | what's the most expensive Linux? |
| 07:22.02 | newb | hello all of you |
| 07:22.23 | newb | i lost all the entrys on the kde menu can some one help me get them back? |
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| 07:23.42 | downhillgames | http://masterdownhillgames.blogspot.com/2008/01/i-was-born-ready.html hehe Giraffes |
| 07:23.49 | newb | i lost all the entrys on the kde menu can some one help me get them back? |
| 07:23.56 | downhillgames | dunno who all watched the KDE 4.0 release part videos |
| 07:23.59 | downhillgames | party* |
| 07:24.01 | troy | hahaha |
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| 07:25.10 | downhillgames | I wanna get Aaron Seigo's email to send him some giraffes :P |
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| 07:26.29 | arjuna | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.38 | downhillgames | you tell me :) |
| 07:28.22 | aroedl | arjuna: You wanna have the most expensive Linux? |
| 07:28.46 | aroedl | arjuna: It's called aroedlix. It's about 1000 USD. |
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| 07:29.17 | arjuna | aroedl> are they better than suse? |
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| 07:31.22 | arjuna | why is linux free? |
| 07:31.33 | downhillgames | the license doesn't require you to pay |
| 07:31.43 | downhillgames | www.fsf.org |
| 07:31.55 | downhillgames | most of the apps and what not is licensed under GPL v2 or 3 |
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| 07:32.38 | downhillgames | arjuna; http://www.lindox.info/wiki/Category:NewtoLinux |
| 07:33.56 | arjuna | downhillgames> the how do i get the license? |
| 07:34.04 | downhillgames | write software. |
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| 07:34.24 | downhillgames | unless you mean a copy of it, then browse the website (you obviously have Internet access) |
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| 07:35.12 | Tomasu[BAF] | I've just messed with my kde install, and kmail isn't seemingly using the .kde/share/config/kmail file, its not loading it, and its not saving to it. where else would it save config settings to? |
| 07:35.46 | downhillgames | Tomasu[BAF]; tried the search? :) search for "kmail" |
| 07:36.01 | Tomasu[BAF] | I've used grep to search for the pop account name I added. |
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| 07:37.02 | downhillgames | or that |
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| 07:37.15 | Tomasu[BAF] | can't find the string in ~/.kde at all. |
| 07:37.29 | Tomasu[BAF] | yet kmail is remembering the new settings I give it.. |
| 07:37.41 | Tomasu[BAF] | if it helps its the 3.5.7 enterprise version.... |
| 07:38.33 | downhillgames | hmm... I was going to suggest .kde4 but n/m that :) |
| 07:39.37 | arjuna | gnome or kde is better? |
| 07:39.51 | Tomasu[BAF] | depends on what you want. |
| 07:39.53 | downhillgames | that's relative but asking in #kde, take a guess :) |
| 07:39.53 | aroedl | arjuna: KDE. |
| 07:40.11 | Tomasu[BAF] | arjuna: if you like uber simple and restrictive, go gnome. |
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| 07:40.27 | Tomasu[BAF] | if you like configurability and customizability, go kde |
| 07:40.38 | downhillgames | arjuna; just for your information: That's a very "bad" (or maybe rude) question to ask in here. |
| 07:40.52 | downhillgames | or in #gnome |
| 07:41.13 | arjuna | isn't kde like windows? |
| 07:41.17 | Tomasu[BAF] | nope. |
| 07:41.19 | Tomasu[BAF] | its like kde. |
| 07:41.41 | Tomasu[BAF] | it can be configured to be like windows... if you wanted that sort of thing. |
| 07:41.43 | arjuna | can you install gnome later after installing kde? |
| 07:41.48 | Tomasu[BAF] | yes |
| 07:41.48 | downhillgames | arjuna; you could try it for free, without touching your existing install of whatever OS you're using now with the LiveCD |
| 07:41.53 | downhillgames | yep |
| 07:42.13 | arjuna | what is aLive cd? |
| 07:42.29 | Tomasu[BAF] | its a cd that boots direct into a useable desktop |
| 07:42.35 | downhillgames | arjuna; just remember that Linux != Windows. It's a completely DIFFERENT OS. It can be used to do all the same things, though. |
| 07:42.36 | Tomasu[BAF] | dont need to install anything |
| 07:42.40 | downhillgames | yes. |
| 07:42.41 | Tomasu[BAF] | just boot and run |
| 07:42.53 | downhillgames | runs right off the CD without changing your existing OS |
| 07:43.10 | downhillgames | unless of course you launch the installer (which is obvious, right on the desktop) |
| 07:43.22 | arjuna | i ahve x2 processor is it 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 07:43.23 | downhillgames | it's a safe way to test out the OS before you install it |
| 07:43.32 | downhillgames | AMD Athlon64 X2? |
| 07:44.07 | arjuna | yes |
| 07:44.09 | downhillgames | either way, you'll want to get a 32-bit version. 32-bit has better support on *any* OS |
| 07:44.27 | Tomasu[BAF] | that depends. |
| 07:44.37 | downhillgames | your CPU is 64-bit, but that's not justification for downloading a 64-bit version... 64-bit OSes are usually used for number-crunching servers |
| 07:44.38 | Tomasu[BAF] | but generally, 32bit can be better. |
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| 07:45.04 | Tomasu[BAF] | I dunno, I installed kubuntu 64bit a few months ago, and I just stayed with it. |
| 07:45.07 | thiago_home | especially if you want to run proprietary stuff that isn't available in 64-bit |
| 07:45.10 | Tomasu[BAF] | its faster even as a desktop. |
| 07:45.31 | arjuna | downhillsgames would 64 bit version give me better performance? |
| 07:45.34 | downhillgames | arjuna; what thiago said |
| 07:45.45 | Tomasu[BAF] | I ran a render in blender from a friend of mine, and it was nearly 2x faster. |
| 07:46.01 | Tomasu[BAF] | if you do multimedia work, and know your hardware will work, go 64bit. |
| 07:46.08 | downhillgames | arjuna; the support (compatibility) you would sacrifice outweighs any slightly noticeable (at best) performance gain |
| 07:47.20 | arjuna | http://software.opensuse.org/ and i have powerful graphics cand and processor |
| 07:47.41 | downhillgames | you will probably want 32-bit, to be quite honest |
| 07:47.55 | Tomasu[BAF] | so do I, Q6600 and a Nvidia 8800GTS 320... |
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| 07:48.10 | Tomasu[BAF] | runs just fine in 64bit, havent had a reason to go back to 32bit. |
| 07:48.34 | downhillgames | yes, encoding (which is almost non-existent) or major photo apps (almost non-existent) go faster.... ...... ... |
| 07:48.39 | downhillgames | chances are you won't need it at all |
| 07:48.49 | Tomasu[BAF] | depends ;) |
| 07:48.59 | downhillgames | Tomasu[BAF]; You're an ignorant tool. :) |
| 07:49.01 | arjuna | what is i386? i have amd processor |
| 07:49.09 | Tomasu[BAF] | downhillgames: huh? how so? |
| 07:49.13 | downhillgames | i386 is 32-bit, AMD64 is 64-bit |
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| 07:49.35 | downhillgames | anything else won't work on your machine, arjuna (ppc, for example) |
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| 07:50.04 | Tomasu[BAF] | downhillgames: thats a little insulting, what exactly do you mean? |
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| 07:51.18 | downhillgames | Linux in general fails almost completely (thus far) at things like major graphical editing (no native Photoshop), encoding (people DO NOT like the CLI, get over it), games (ET:QW 1.4 FAILS at multithreading on Linux), etc... |
| 07:51.37 | arjuna | what is included in suse dvd that isn't in the smaller version in the cd? |
| 07:52.03 | downhillgames | telling someone to get a 64-bit OS that doesn't really support things which take advantage of 64-bit is just spouting out nonsense accompanied with phrases like "it depends" -- EVERYTHING depends |
| 07:52.03 | Tomasu[BAF] | downhillgames: what are you on? |
| 07:52.07 | PolitikerNEU | for encoding there is e. g. avidemux - isn't that sufficent? |
| 07:52.10 | downhillgames | The ground. |
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| 07:52.17 | downhillgames | when it works. |
| 07:52.24 | Tomasu[BAF] | I doubt it. |
| 07:52.28 | thiago_home | downhillgames: no need for Photoshop. The Gimp and Krita are very good. |
| 07:52.35 | Tomasu[BAF] | quite. |
| 07:52.37 | downhillgames | GIMP is horrible. what the hell is Krita? |
| 07:52.47 | downhillgames | GIMP is about as nice as stepping in dog shit. |
| 07:52.48 | Tomasu[BAF] | Gimp is ugly, but it is good at what it does. |
| 07:52.52 | thiago_home | there are several encoding tools available graphically. The next version of VLC will allow you to completely configure it in the GUI. |
| 07:52.52 | downhillgames | not even |
| 07:53.00 | thiago_home | games I don't care. |
| 07:53.00 | arjuna | what was the best linux in early 2000s? |
| 07:53.01 | Tomasu[BAF] | wow, youre just a troll. good to know. |
| 07:53.12 | Sho_ | downhillgames: Krita is KDE's raster graphics application, and a part of KOffice |
| 07:53.27 | thiago_home | downhillgames: you are just here to annoy us. I will not waste my time with you. |
| 07:53.30 | downhillgames | arjuna; "best" is a relative term. Can't really ask "best" and get the same answer from everyone |
| 07:53.38 | thiago_home | downhillgames: when you grow up, we can maybe talk. |
| 07:53.43 | downhillgames | thiago_home; /ignore *downhillgames*!*@* ALL |
| 07:53.45 | Tomasu[BAF] | thiago_home: I'm looking forward to seeing a vlc phonon backend :) |
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| 07:54.02 | downhillgames | nope, I just think Tomasu[BAF] is a dumbshit |
| 07:54.07 | *** mode/#kde [+o Sho_] by ChanServ |
| 07:54.12 | thiago_home | again proving my point |
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| 07:54.21 | Tomasu[BAF] | hah |
| 07:54.31 | Tomasu[BAF] | knew that was comming |
| 07:54.36 | Sho_ | well, I guess it's a good thing that he left before my ban msg went through, because the ban list is full again |
| 07:54.44 | thiago_home | Tomasu[BAF]: we're this close to convincing j-b to using KDE libraries in VLC :-) |
| 07:54.53 | Sho_ | thiago_home: hey, cool :) |
| 07:55.01 | j-b | thiago_home: what ? |
| 07:55.30 | j-b | this might not be so wrong... |
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| 07:55.31 | Tomasu[BAF] | thiago_home: I heard via kde planet that the vlc guy(s) are almost ready to do a cross platform vlc backend... |
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| 07:55.35 | thiago_home | j-b: now that you're almost done with using Qt, it's time we showed you what you can do with KDE libraries :-) |
| 07:55.36 | *** mode/#kde [-b %cho!*@*] by Sho_ |
| 07:55.39 | Tomasu[BAF] | which would be very nice. |
| 07:55.45 | Sho_ | (sorry, just cleaning out a few so new ones can be added ..) |
| 07:55.46 | j-b | someone talked about a solid plugin |
| 07:55.51 | *** mode/#kde [-o Sho_] by Sho_ |
| 07:55.52 | thiago_home | Tomasu[BAF]: yeah, that developer is right here. |
| 07:55.56 | Tomasu[BAF] | ooh |
| 07:55.58 | Tomasu[BAF] | heh |
| 07:56.02 | j-b | thiago_home: I have a few bugs to fix yet :D |
| 07:56.26 | Tomasu[BAF] | I have terrible recall. and my kontact is a little out of order |
| 07:56.28 | j-b | thiago_home: but some plugins could depend on KDE, I don't see where would lie the problem |
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| 08:07.27 | arjuna | why do you hate windows? please go back to windows. how dare you install linux? |
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| 08:09.49 | thiago_home | we don't hate windows |
| 08:10.52 | EvanR | huh |
| 08:11.53 | arjuna | does kde means kids? |
| 08:12.26 | aroedl | So many sick people around today. |
| 08:14.01 | Sho_ | arjuna: No. |
| 08:14.17 | Japsu | please, do not feed the troll |
| 08:14.55 | arjuna | anybody here still uses windows 98? |
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| 08:18.07 | arjuna | what's the best image burning software for linux |
| 08:18.31 | Sho_ | K3b |
| 08:19.20 | Kunalagon | Nero |
| 08:20.20 | aroedl | PLEASE! Do not feed this troll arjuna! He's asking the same questions for a while in several channels. |
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| 08:23.33 | DoctorPepper | Kunalagon: nero should be used under linux, it's free software |
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| 08:23.33 | Kunalagon | troll wants to be sure |
| 08:23.33 | Kunalagon | aroedl, |
| 08:23.47 | Kunalagon | DoctorPepper, should be, or should not? |
| 08:24.11 | DoctorPepper | sorry shouldnt be use |
| 08:24.20 | Kunalagon | that is correct |
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| 08:25.06 | aroedl | DoctorPepper: :-) |
| 08:25.11 | Kunalagon | I jused nero for linux, couple until 6 months or less ago, because cdrtools could not create iso from file larger thatGiB |
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| 08:25.23 | Kunalagon | not JUSTE, but USED |
| 08:25.43 | Kunalagon | huh |
| 08:25.46 | Kunalagon | damn keyboard |
| 08:26.00 | Nyle | you jused? |
| 08:26.04 | Nyle | jejeje |
| 08:26.52 | arjuna | NightKhaos> where can i find a .deb file for k3b? |
| 08:27.49 | DoctorPepper | arjuna: which distro are you using ? |
| 08:28.10 | Nyle | apt-get install k3b |
| 08:28.16 | Sho_ | arjuna: Ubuntu has K3b packaged. You should be able to install it using the graphical package manager. |
| 08:28.42 | arjuna | <Sho_> how do you know i use ubuntu? |
| 08:28.51 | Nyle | just type, sudo apt-get install k3b |
| 08:28.51 | arjuna | doctorpepper ubuntu |
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| 08:29.03 | Sho_ | arjuna: Because you said so earlier. |
| 08:29.30 | jervine | Sho_: arjuna is a troll (possibly a bot) - he's asking the same questions in multiple channels |
| 08:29.37 | aroedl | True |
| 08:29.47 | arjuna | Sho_> thank you for remembering |
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| 08:30.14 | Sho_ | jervine: Well, the last few exchanges between me and him would be fairly impressive interactivity for a bot. |
| 08:30.21 | arjuna | jervine> ignore troll jervine he has akready banned me from #linux ab debian what a rat |
| 08:30.33 | Nyle | dude |
| 08:30.36 | jervine | from #suse, arjuna... from #suse |
| 08:30.37 | Nyle | grow up |
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| 08:31.46 | arjuna | i nstalled k3d |
| 08:31.47 | Nyle | I know you guys don't have much to look forward to in life and seem pretty bored, but we actually read the support other people need and try to learn from it. dumb questions like the ones you've been asking are not helpful to anyone including yourself |
| 08:31.51 | arjuna | wher can i find it> |
| 08:32.14 | Sho_ | arjuna: It should be under "Multimedia" in your menu, or you can run "k3b" from the Run Command dialog |
| 08:33.04 | arjuna | <Nyle> why not including myself? i ask dum question and you answer intelligent. i hate away your intelligence like people did to me for past 6 years |
| 08:33.11 | jervine | Sho_: I agree. there's probably too much interactivity for a bot, but not quite enough brainpower to suggest a person... |
| 08:33.12 | arjuna | it's your turn now |
| 08:33.47 | Nyle | arjuna: maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen you in 3 different channels asking the same questions, with exactly the same wording |
| 08:33.51 | arjuna | <Sho no multimedia in ubuntu |
| 08:34.23 | Nyle | I don't want to jump to conclusions but... you don't really make a good case for yourself. You seem to not be an idiot right now, so feel free, have at it, welcome to #kde |
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| 08:34.28 | arjuna | Nyle> so ? i can get 3 different answer and why are you stalking me? |
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| 08:35.10 | aroedl | He copy and pasted the same questions - including the "nick>" - to most or all of the channels he's on. |
| 08:35.47 | jervine | it's not that people are stalking you, arjuna... it's that we're suspicious, of questions that are easily answered via google or just downright inflammatory and get asked acorss multiple channels |
| 08:36.11 | EvanR | is this troll feeding time |
| 08:36.21 | Nyle | see? |
| 08:36.23 | jervine | fraid so, EvanR |
| 08:36.58 | arjuna | jfgit is not allowed i thougght? google is not reliable as words of mouth from irc people |
| 08:37.18 | Sho_ | As long as the questions are civil and on-topic (which they so far have been mostly) he doesn't cross a line, and all this agitation here is the real annoyance and off-topic banter. |
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| 08:37.27 | arjuna | Could not open location 'file:///k3b' |
| 08:37.44 | EvanR | the best way is to agree with them |
| 08:38.03 | aroedl | civil and on-topic? <arjuna> why do you hate windows? please go back to windows. how dare you install linux? |
| 08:38.34 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:38.40 | Nyle | I'm hungry |
| 08:38.51 | Nyle | f the troll man, feed me |
| 08:38.56 | Sho_ | aroedl: I understood that as in the context of the preceding "Linux sucks" actual troll by downhillgames. You've been known to make similar sarcastic quips too, after all. |
| 08:39.26 | Sho_ | The majority of his questions have been pertaining to Linux distros and/or applications, which is OK to me. |
| 08:39.35 | arjuna | aroedl> i was trying to say to you the same thing my mother said ...anything wrong with that? |
| 08:39.48 | Nyle | Sho_: which is why I said, he isn't being an idiot right now, so continue |
| 08:39.48 | Sho_ | But it's certainly a good idea to point out that it's not a smart idea to ask the same question simulataneously in several channels :) |
| 08:40.13 | jervine | Sho_: he made that statement across multiple channels, not just here. so it wasn't necessarily in response to a comment here |
| 08:40.20 | EvanR | quantity vs quality |
| 08:40.22 | Sho_ | jervine: ah, ok |
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| 08:41.19 | aroedl | Sho_: I'm known for making sarcastic quips? Hm... |
| 08:41.34 | jervine | in #suse: [16:07:36] <arjuna> why do you hate windows? please go back to windows. how dare you install linux? (this after quite a few warnings) |
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| 08:44.28 | cuci | I've forgot what is the channel that shows the changes made to kde-svn? |
| 08:44.49 | cuci | it was something like kde4commits? or something like that... |
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| 08:45.11 | Sho_ | cuci: #kde-commits |
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| 08:45.25 | cuci | thanks |
| 08:45.32 | Sho_ | cuci: The CIA service breaks often though, so subscribing to the kde-commits *mailing list* is a more reliable source of commit messages |
| 08:45.50 | cuci | oh really? |
| 08:46.01 | Sho_ | cuci: Or you can use http://commitfilter.kde.org/ if you want a customized email feed of commits for projects that interest you |
| 08:46.17 | cuci | Sho_: thanks mate |
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| 08:48.02 | Sho_ | cuci: happy to help :) |
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| 08:54.49 | Tomasu[BAF] | so yeah, anyone know where kmail is storing its config? my installed version doesnt seem to be using any .kde*/share/config file. |
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| 08:58.03 | _Angelus_ | whats KPovmodeler? is it like blender? |
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| 08:58.44 | Sho_ | Sorta, although Blender is certainly more powerful. It's a 3D modelling frontend to the POVRay raytracer. |
| 09:00.35 | Tomasu[BAF] | oh god I can be stupid sometimes. |
| 09:00.36 | _Angelus_ | oh |
| 09:00.38 | _Angelus_ | i see |
| 09:00.53 | Tomasu[BAF] | I forgot that I set KDEHOME for my kde4 test. this is why I shouldnt do stuff like this when Im tired. |
| 09:00.58 | _Angelus_ | hmm i cant understand how to make 3D models with colours |
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| 09:24.36 | Roberto | jola a todos |
| 09:24.41 | Roberto | hola a todos |
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| 09:25.23 | Roberto | hi |
| 09:25.42 | Roberto | este es el foro de kde en espańol?? |
| 09:26.43 | aroedl | Roberto: #kde-es, but it's quite empty over there. |
| 09:26.45 | Roberto | i need help but i dont speak eng only spa? |
| 09:26.59 | Roberto | ok |
| 09:27.01 | Roberto | thanks |
| 09:27.16 | albert_kam | hello Roberto |
| 09:27.22 | Roberto | i need about kde3.5 |
| 09:27.23 | albert_kam | please join #kde-es |
| 09:27.24 | Roberto | hello |
| 09:27.42 | albert_kam | i think it's for espanol |
| 09:28.04 | Roberto | Emm |
| 09:28.08 | albert_kam | only a few people though :) |
| 09:28.12 | aroedl | albert_kam: It is, but there is only one guy in there. |
| 09:28.13 | Roberto | XD |
| 09:28.24 | albert_kam | :) |
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| 09:35.39 | Roberto | what hapened wiht this chanel? |
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| 09:35.40 | aroedl | Roberto: Don't know. |
| 09:35.41 | Roberto | no? O.o |
| 09:36.28 | aroedl | Roberto: You could try to find a distribution specific channel in spanish. Maybe they can help you to set up your wireless stuff on KDE. |
| 09:37.23 | Roberto | i only install kde-i18n-es |
| 09:37.53 | aroedl | Roberto: Distribution? |
| 09:38.34 | albert_kam | Roberto: What distro ? suse or ubuntu or fedora or perhaps something else ? |
| 09:38.46 | Roberto | Kubuntu |
| 09:38.49 | aroedl | ah |
| 09:39.03 | Roberto | but only install kde-i18-es |
| 09:39.09 | Roberto | no distribuicion |
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| 09:39.34 | aroedl | Roberto: Join #kubuntu-es |
| 09:39.36 | Roberto | dont install distro |
| 09:40.29 | aroedl | Roberto: Yes, but the hombres at #kubuntu-es can speak espanol. |
| 09:40.37 | Roberto | I did but nobody knows |
| 09:40.40 | aroedl | ic |
| 09:41.30 | Roberto | i take one laptop hp pavilion dv2135la |
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| 09:45.20 | Roberto | i only needed to install the wireless bluetoth with integrated buttons function that brings |
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| 09:51.33 | Roberto | Where can I get help on my wireless card |
| 09:51.33 | Roberto | In --- I ask and I will not say as nobody answered --- |
| 09:51.40 | Roberto | Where can I get help on my wireless card |
| 09:51.40 | Roberto | In --- I ask and I will not say as nobody answered --- |
| 09:51.57 | thiago | not here |
| 09:52.06 | thiago | as you can easily tell |
| 09:52.37 | JonB | hi, i'm having a few issues mouting devices using hal, getting "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")" - I've checked I'm part of the plugdev (and other groups) and also restarted KDE and reloaded hald. Anyone have any |
| 09:52.38 | JonB | suggestions? |
| 09:52.39 | Roberto | Where can I get help on my wireless card In Kubuntu-es I ask and I will not say as kde-es nobody answered |
| 09:52.45 | aroedl | Roberto: Maybe this is helpful for you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryBluetooth |
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| 09:56.10 | Jejem | Roberto: your wireless card isn't a KDE related stuff. |
| 09:59.50 | Roberto | :'( |
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| 10:01.09 | aroedl | Roberto: I guess, #ubuntu-es is the channel you're looking for. |
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| 10:06.08 | Roberto | No longer Where more help. I am a user That comes from Windows and I am a novice at this. |
| 10:06.42 | letto | is it normal that kwin from kde4 can't remember window positions in kde3 ? |
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| 10:08.37 | arkascha | Roberto: sorry, could you ask your question once more ? |
| 10:08.58 | Roberto | what |
| 10:09.02 | Roberto | my question |
| 10:09.17 | arkascha | Roberto: noone understood what you meant... |
| 10:12.00 | Roberto | I also understand |
| 10:12.01 | Roberto | I am using Google to translate |
| 10:12.49 | Roberto | XD |
| 10:12.58 | jazka | what card you got? |
| 10:14.00 | Roberto | Intel PRO/wireless 3945 a/b/g + bluetooth |
| 10:15.29 | pinotree | Roberto: #kubuntu or #kubuntu-es please |
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| 10:18.19 | Roberto | please Have mercy on me |
| 10:18.32 | Roberto | XD |
| 10:19.12 | pinotree | Roberto: we do not support distribution-specific issues, sorry |
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| 10:19.24 | Roberto | Sil vous plaīt, aie pitié de moi |
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| 10:19.35 | pinotree | ... and please speak english |
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| 10:20.52 | Roberto | ok |
| 10:21.07 | Roberto | bueno ya me voy |
| 10:21.18 | Roberto | thanks for helpme |
| 10:21.19 | Roberto | bye |
| 10:21.34 | Roberto | :( |
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| 10:23.47 | Kunalagon | does somebody use kmail ? |
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| 10:24.04 | Kunalagon | if does, does it sippor inserting signature like in outlook express |
| 10:24.32 | aroedl | Kunalagon: yes |
| 10:24.46 | Kunalagon | thanks |
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| 10:53.49 | dmilith | so when 4.1 will be released? |
| 10:55.23 | arkascha | dmilith: Hopefully when its finished, not at some predicted date as 4.0 ! |
| 10:55.24 | Japsu | dmilith: in July |
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| 10:56.28 | dmilith | i see |
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| 11:08.50 | adrian15 | Can anyone confirm if kolourpaint is included in the last kde on windows snapshot ? |
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| 11:09.07 | pinotree | adrian15: #kde-windows |
| 11:09.45 | adrian15 | pinotree: I did not know this channel did exist. Thank you. |
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| 11:11.17 | fatmike | how are the keyboard shortcuts in the shutdown-window in kde? |
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| 11:11.33 | Chani | kontact crashed and some kmail stuiff got corrupted. one of the problems: Error opening /home/chani/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/.inbox.directory/.kopete.directory/bugs/tmp; this folder is missing. |
| 11:11.41 | Chani | how would I go about fixing that? |
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| 11:15.07 | Chani | oh ouch. looks like filesystem corruption. |
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| 11:15.29 | parker | hi, i have compiled kde4 from trunk... okay all things works good, but one thing is really strange, i can only browse to google.com with the konqueror, other websites won't be able to load??? is that normal?! |
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| 11:20.00 | fatmike | how are the keyboard shortcuts in the shutdown-window in kde? |
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| 11:24.00 | tsdh | Hi. I'm using kde4 and it seems kaudiocreater was removed from kdemultimedia. Is there a replacement for it? |
| 11:24.21 | ttf | hi.. konsole is in utf8 mode, utf8 locales are installed. when creating a file with an umlaut it displays proper in konsole, but d3lphin and konqueror display it wrongly (they display two wrong chars for the umlaut) and I can't open that file. |
| 11:24.26 | ttf | I'm using 3.5.8 |
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| 11:25.42 | ttf | if I say "when creating" I mean "when creating a filename in konsole - e.g. touch hĆ¼tte" |
| 11:27.09 | ttf | any idea how to have utf8 filenames being displayed properly in konqueror? |
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| 11:28.18 | ttf | kpdf gives the same problem |
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| 11:28.51 | ttf | and I guess the other kde apps as well - seems to be a "global settings problem".. |
| 11:29.40 | tsdh | ttf: What does "echo $LANG" say? |
| 11:30.10 | ttf | tsdh: en_GB.utf8 |
| 11:30.12 | arkascha | when editing certain files in kdevelop the response drops until the editor is next to unusable, imaging characters appearing/disappearing at a rate of 1 per second when you have typed a word. |
| 11:30.12 | arkascha | the problem is _not_ connected to the size of the file, i expect some plugin to be the problem, but I could not solve it by disabling the plugins one by one. |
| 11:30.12 | arkascha | I had that problem for month, upgrading kdevelop now and then without any change. |
| 11:30.12 | arkascha | Currently I am using kdevelop-3.5.0.7 - kde3.5.8 - opensuse-10.3 - x86_64 |
| 11:30.13 | arkascha | - any ideas anyone ? |
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| 11:30.54 | ttf | tsdh: en_GB.utf8 locale is installed |
| 11:33.36 | tsdh | ttf: Hm, looks or. Maybe there's one of the LC_* variables set to a wrong value? |
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| 11:34.44 | ttf | tsdh: they are all set to en_GB.utf8 |
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| 11:35.23 | ttf | tsdh: besides LANGUAGE="en_GB" |
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| 11:36.45 | Jayrome | Hi. Are bugs posted here? =) |
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| 11:38.33 | tsdh | ttf: Then I don't know. I have de_DE.utf8 here and it works as expected... |
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| 11:39.10 | Whitman | I'm using KioskTool and I want to lock down the desktop so that no icons can be added/removed or moved. I have some icons in specific places to fit with the wallpaper. If I set the 3 options in KioskTool to disable icon adding/removing or movement the existing icons get moved to the top left of the screen. Is there any way around this? |
| 11:39.47 | ttf | tsdh: do you have de_DE.utf8 in every line in the output from "locale"? |
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| 11:40.15 | ttf | tsdh: and - could you tell me what your /etc/environment contains, pls? |
| 11:41.12 | tsdh | ttf: Q1: Yes, except for LC_ALL which is unset. |
| 11:41.35 | tsdh | ttf: Q2: It's empty |
| 11:41.37 | ttf | tsdh: LC_ALL does not need to be set AFAIR |
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| 11:41.58 | tsdh | ttf: No, if it's set it'll overwrite all other LC-vars. |
| 11:42.45 | ttf | tsdh: right - that's what I mean - but you don't need to set it explicitely if you set each LC_* seperately |
| 11:43.31 | ttf | tsdh: thanks |
| 11:43.42 | tsdh | ttf: You're welcome. |
| 11:45.12 | Jayrome | So, I have Kubuntu 7.10 and I have GeForce 7300GT with the Proprietary driver set up through the Adept Manager. I have windows fade-in and fade-out and partly-transparent window-captions. BUG: When bringing up an application from system tray, transparency is not applied. When choosing Sign Out, the screen becomes disrupted for a second and then OK showing the sign-out options. |
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| 11:46.46 | ttf | that's weird - konquerors settings even say "default encoding = utf8" but it still creates filenames in iso8859-1 |
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| 11:48.17 | parker | hi, i have compiled kde4 from trunk... okay all things works good, but one thing is really strange, i can only browse to google.com with the konqueror, other websites won't be able to load??? is that normal?! |
| 11:48.30 | parker | D= |
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| 11:48.48 | jazka | no, it's not, works fine here |
| 11:48.58 | parker | crazy |
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| 11:50.23 | jazka | hmm it doesn't work anymore, updated this morning |
| 11:50.36 | jazka | An error occurred while loading http://www.google.fi: |
| 11:50.37 | jazka | Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: Connection is closed. |
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| 11:50.52 | ttf | parker: use a packet sniffer (tcpdump or wireshark) and look at the traffic |
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| 11:51.07 | parker | ok i try |
| 11:51.17 | tsdh | jazka: I got this error from time to time, too. Restarting konqui solved it. |
| 11:51.48 | jazka | it starts very slow and the front page seems to be broken too |
| 11:51.58 | ttf | parker: can you do telnet into other servers port 80, issue the GET command and get a site? |
| 11:52.04 | jazka | worked fine last night, I think I broke it this morning with an update :) |
| 11:53.13 | jazka | heh, if I start it from the k-menu, it's broken, if from the terminal, it works |
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| 11:58.10 | tafsen | Can't you use ssh with konqueror? When I try open a ssh connection, it only opens the konsole |
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| 11:59.04 | jazka | yea same here |
| 11:59.16 | parker | okay it's strange now some sites load the konqueror and other sites not |
| 11:59.34 | jazka | my konqueror works only when started from terminal atm |
| 11:59.46 | parker | mhhh |
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| 12:00.06 | BULLE | tafsen: use fish |
| 12:01.20 | tafsen | BULLE: Is that another program? |
| 12:01.48 | jazka | seems to be somekind of $PATH problem, since typing the absolute path to krunner works |
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| 12:03.18 | ttf | parker: sure it's not a dns or provider problem or full hdd? |
| 12:04.09 | ttf | parker: no huge process sitting on the partition where the browser-cache rides and thus stopping it from writing pages to the cache-dir? |
| 12:04.12 | parker | no only konqueror, firefox and irssi works fine. but it seems the konqueror works better and better |
| 12:04.31 | parker | strange |
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| 12:05.05 | ttf | parker: in this case df or du wouldn't help and you could only identify the process with lsof (until it's closed) AFAIR |
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| 12:08.03 | parker | mhhh okay thanks for your help i will compile it new in the evening |
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| 12:15.58 | phimic | hi all |
| 12:16.11 | phimic | i have a problem with kmail |
| 12:16.31 | phimic | the gpg-agent does not save my passphrase |
| 12:16.54 | Whitman | I've created some icons on a desktop with kiosktool but when I try to save the changes I get an "Error in KioskTool ubuntu modifications" error. Any idea why? |
| 12:17.08 | phimic | i already activated use-agent in the gpg config file, but this does not help |
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| 12:59.17 | whirm | jai all! |
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| 13:01.27 | d1zzy | hi, I need some help debugging an issue with non-english characters in KDE. since some time now all the non english characters are not displayed (square boxes instead). locale is en_US.utf8, I tried several fonts (arial, sans serif, bistream vera sans, etc) with no success |
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| 13:01.45 | d1zzy | the strange thing, my home computer also running kde and same software (gentoo) can show those chars fine |
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| 13:01.52 | d1zzy | any idea where/how to debug this issue? |
| 13:02.03 | d1zzy | for example how can I get in KDE a map of all the chars of a font? |
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| 13:12.27 | x3rox | I was asked how to transfer emails between two linux machines with kmail, using a memory stick. Can somebody, please, give me some hints? |
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| 13:15.57 | x3rox | I am actually able to save a mail into a file, but how do I import and/or view it on the other computer? If somebody can help, please? |
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| 13:17.40 | antiNeo | hmmm... anyone have any idea why kwalletmanager isn't saving my passwords anymore? |
| 13:18.18 | antiNeo | I'm using fluxbox as a desktop right now... might be some sort of incompatibility thing |
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| 13:27.33 | x3rox | Nobody here who is familiar with KMAIL ? |
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| 13:34.55 | eNTi | x3rox: how about you take a look at File->Import for starters? |
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| 13:35.09 | eNTi | x3rox: Import Messages... even |
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| 13:40.22 | ploo | can you edit favorites in kickoff? |
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| 13:47.42 | x3rox | I am asking for a ~70 yrs. old lady for an easy solution. Is this one? |
| 13:48.25 | eNTi | x3rox: are you a ~70 yrs. old lady? |
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| 13:48.46 | x3rox | Saving mails as separate files is trivial, but I couldn't easily import them. No. I am asking for one. |
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| 13:49.37 | eNTi | ploo: yes you can. right click any application (or document or whatever) in the kickoff menu and choose add to favourites. also, if you right click on a favourite you can remove it from the list. |
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| 13:50.39 | eNTi | x3rox: i think the easiest way is to figure out, what kind of email storage you are using (e.g. maildir), store the whole folder and then follow kmails import function. |
| 13:52.24 | x3rox | I think the easiest way would be some separate program which can show a saved email (including HTML content), without all this complicated importing. Do you have an idea? |
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| 13:52.57 | ploo | eNTi, can you add a custom one? |
| 13:53.31 | eNTi | how about not making a 70 years old lady use linux? if she's clever and finds her way around a computer, she will get it, if not... well she probably shouldn't use one at all. |
| 13:53.52 | eNTi | and i already GAVE you and idea. |
| 13:53.58 | eNTi | ploo: what do you mean? |
| 13:54.00 | d1zzy | hi, I need some help debugging an issue with non-english characters in KDE. since some time now all the non english characters are not displayed (square boxes instead). locale is en_US.utf8, I tried several fonts (arial, sans serif, bistream vera sans, etc) with no success, any idea what would be the cause of this? |
| 13:54.02 | x3rox | :-/ |
| 13:54.19 | ploo | eNTi, like add a custom link to app |
| 13:54.50 | eNTi | ploo: how about your read my answer again? |
| 13:55.11 | ploo | what if a program is not in your list |
| 13:55.12 | ploo | ? |
| 13:55.19 | ploo | and you want to add a custom one |
| 13:55.36 | eNTi | then either search for it (kerry?) or add it to the list? |
| 13:55.37 | x3rox | Would be great if kmail would allow to simply click such a previously saved mail file (with one mail inside) and to import it. :-/ |
| 13:57.02 | eNTi | why not send her the mail again? |
| 13:57.04 | eNTi | if it's only one? |
| 13:57.13 | eNTi | if it's 1000 it's a bit of a chore, right? |
| 13:58.42 | x3rox | You mis-understand. She lives some weeks in Vienna, then some weeks in her weekend house. So she has two computers. If she has some mails important to her, she wants to take them with her without needing my help every time. So a simple solution is required. |
| 13:59.01 | eNTi | x3rox: imap |
| 13:59.25 | eNTi | or maybe there's a sync tool... i don't know |
| 14:00.23 | eNTi | if she doesn't have a internet connection in both locations she could print the email out, if she does, imap or webmail would be the better solution. |
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| 14:00.32 | mindif_ | http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200801241349501280x1024hd4.png |
| 14:00.35 | mindif_ | holy shit |
| 14:01.06 | mindif_ | that looks like garbage |
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| 14:02.08 | ploo | so thats a no then? |
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| 14:03.30 | eNTi | ploo: are you using kerry? |
| 14:03.55 | ploo | no whats kerry? |
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| 14:04.43 | eNTi | ploo: if not, right klick your k-menu icon and open the menu editor. add your "custom application" to the preferred location and save. then open the kickoff menu, go to that location, right click the app, add to favourites. |
| 14:05.45 | eNTi | ploo: kerry is the search engine used to search the files on your computer, which is used by kickoff (or itself) to search for files on your machine quickly. it's the default search engine that comes with kdemod. if you are using gnome, it might be a different one. beagle maybe? |
| 14:06.42 | ploo | sucks you cannot edit nothing in favs |
| 14:06.44 | pinotree | eNTi: kerry is not a search engine, but a (simple) gui for beagle |
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| 14:07.18 | eNTi | pinotree: ok. |
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| 14:09.18 | mindif_ | is there anyone prefering kde 4 over 3.5? |
| 14:10.49 | eNTi | developers probably? |
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| 14:12.40 | d1zzy | I dont think developers like an "ugly" (personal oppinion) non configurable desktop |
| 14:12.55 | d1zzy | the worst thing about kde4 is that you cant configure simple things like taskbar size, etc |
| 14:13.08 | d1zzy | or you mean kde developers? |
| 14:13.22 | eNTi | maybe you didn't get my point. i meant ppl developing for kde. |
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| 14:13.28 | d1zzy | ok |
| 14:13.38 | d1zzy | because developers is very broad :) |
| 14:13.55 | eNTi | i think it's stated often enough, that kde isn't a release for users per se |
| 14:14.06 | d1zzy | yes it is |
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| 14:15.54 | eNTi | ... why i am even in here? |
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| 14:21.12 | mindif_ | enti is so right |
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| 14:22.53 | d1zzy | mindif_: about why was he here? :) |
| 14:23.22 | mindif_ | donno statin that kde4 is not ready |
| 14:24.26 | d1zzy | yeah it isnt, I tried it some weeks ago |
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| 14:24.36 | mindif_ | i tried it today |
| 14:24.40 | d1zzy | I wouldnt have minded if it had few programs but those were complete |
| 14:24.46 | mindif_ | and i havent used kde since 3.1 or something |
| 14:24.47 | d1zzy | but instead it has few and severely incomplete |
| 14:24.55 | d1zzy | Im using kde as we speak |
| 14:25.05 | d1zzy | been using it daily both at work and home for the last 5 years |
| 14:25.10 | mindif_ | i still dont their system |
| 14:25.18 | mindif_ | *get |
| 14:25.32 | d1zzy | for it was a gradual, natural transition |
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| 14:25.41 | mindif_ | so whats actually better now? |
| 14:25.48 | mindif_ | beside the uglier look? |
| 14:26.11 | d1zzy | I was using window maker, then icewm and amarok which kicked ass, then I discovered kmail much faster (rendering pages) than thunderbird, then konqueror the same faster rendering than firefox |
| 14:26.31 | d1zzy | then I found I could use kdevelop (being mostly a shell addicted kinda guy) for development (even tho most plugins disabled heh) |
| 14:26.50 | d1zzy | so after all this I just said, hell why not use the kde DE and WM if I load so many kde libs for so many kde applications |
| 14:27.01 | d1zzy | and btw, "kile" totally kicks ass for LaTeX development |
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| 14:27.43 | mindif_ | i dont how ppl can like amarok at all |
| 14:28.02 | d1zzy | mindif_: I dont care much about the look, since Im working on it 10-12 hours per day it is important to be small, fast and non intrusive |
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| 14:28.11 | d1zzy | as such I am using the domino theme with a dark grey color scheme |
| 14:28.16 | mindif_ | thats what QT and KDE isnt at all :) |
| 14:28.16 | d1zzy | so it is not tiresome for the eyes |
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| 14:29.04 | d1zzy | I like amarok because it works, it organizes all that information (all covers, lyrics, tagging, everything done with flac/ogg/mp3 without any notice) |
| 14:29.16 | d1zzy | I used xmms (and even x11amp back in the times) |
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| 14:30.15 | mindif_ | rhythmbox and banshee do this just as well |
| 14:30.18 | mindif_ | and look way nicer.. |
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| 14:30.33 | mindif_ | http://laka1.deviantart.com/art/New-Years-Screeny-73519969 this is my desktop |
| 14:30.54 | d1zzy | mindif_: I never liked gtk+ and gnome, it looks so childish |
| 14:31.01 | mindif_ | ur kidding |
| 14:31.02 | mindif_ | :-D |
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| 14:31.15 | d1zzy | plus I started with amarok when rhythmox wasnt even compiling |
| 14:31.20 | d1zzy | at least in gentoo (I remember I tried it) |
| 14:31.33 | mindif_ | haha gentoo had heavily patched rhythmbox |
| 14:31.38 | mindif_ | anyway |
| 14:31.55 | d1zzy | mindif_: really, I looked at that screenshot, I dont like at all the widget style |
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| 14:32.06 | mindif_ | d1zzy: what for instance? |
| 14:32.35 | d1zzy | the menu bar, the window decoration, the color, the icons |
| 14:32.45 | d1zzy | and the font |
| 14:32.46 | d1zzy | :( |
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| 14:33.44 | mindif_ | :-S |
| 14:33.50 | mindif_ | whats wrong about the fonts? |
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| 14:34.21 | pinotree | mindif_: ssssh!!! before it complains about those too :D |
| 14:34.23 | d1zzy | too small, the antialiasing is taking too much of the whole character size |
| 14:34.37 | mindif_ | true |
| 14:34.45 | pinotree | j/k |
| 14:34.50 | d1zzy | they dont look clear enough for me |
| 14:35.01 | mindif_ | its clearest for this small size |
| 14:35.05 | d1zzy | it needs to be crispy and dark colored |
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| 14:35.22 | mindif_ | thatd use too much space imho |
| 14:35.52 | mindif_ | but hey im talking to a KDE guy, u obviously dont care about space :-) |
| 14:36.08 | d1zzy | I have 10 workspaces |
| 14:36.15 | d1zzy | I work this way since the windowmaker times |
| 14:36.15 | mindif_ | thats not the same |
| 14:36.19 | d1zzy | each workspace has his own application |
| 14:36.21 | mindif_ | 8-| |
| 14:36.25 | mindif_ | im using workspaces as well |
| 14:36.26 | d1zzy | I hate having more than one application on the same screen |
| 14:36.28 | d1zzy | I cant concentrate |
| 14:36.34 | d1zzy | except for consoles |
| 14:36.40 | d1zzy | which I have 6 on the same screen and such |
| 14:36.47 | d1zzy | (i cant work with tabbed consoles) |
| 14:37.27 | mindif_ | dont tellme you prefer kde icons over tango that cant be true |
| 14:37.27 | d1zzy | I change them using windowmaker like shortcuts, alt+# |
| 14:37.28 | mindif_ | :-D |
| 14:38.12 | d1zzy | I dont know what tango is |
| 14:38.42 | mindif_ | http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery |
| 14:38.45 | d1zzy | so anyway, space as I said is not an issue since I dont have more than one application on the same workspace, every application normally is at full screen |
| 14:39.53 | d1zzy | they seem so square like |
| 14:40.04 | d1zzy | and small (tho I assume that you can set, the size of them I mean) |
| 14:40.08 | mindif_ | d1zzy: but then again yout cant have that many songs at once on the screen with large fonts |
| 14:40.16 | d1zzy | but other than that I dont care much since I dont see icons on the screen so much |
| 14:40.32 | mindif_ | dont you see them in the taskbar? |
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| 14:40.51 | d1zzy | no as I said I have one application per workspace |
| 14:40.53 | mindif_ | or in the tray |
| 14:40.58 | d1zzy | and the taskbar is showing only what the current workspace has |
| 14:41.02 | d1zzy | so a single icon at most |
| 14:41.09 | mindif_ | ok |
| 14:41.17 | d1zzy | in the tray only amarok and kopete |
| 14:41.26 | mindif_ | but u gotta admit that your not using kde the classic way :-) |
| 14:41.34 | d1zzy | of course |
| 14:41.40 | mindif_ | kopete :-S |
| 14:41.49 | d1zzy | the most important thing for me with kde is to be able to change everything |
| 14:41.58 | d1zzy | sizes, colors, theme, widget styles, features |
| 14:42.07 | d1zzy | which kde4 is exactly the opposite in the current state |
| 14:42.09 | d1zzy | cant change anything |
| 14:42.19 | mindif_ | d1zzy: and why do you need this? |
| 14:42.30 | d1zzy | because I need to have the screen clear |
| 14:42.34 | d1zzy | it needs to be nonintrusive |
| 14:42.38 | d1zzy | a single application so I can focus on it |
| 14:43.02 | d1zzy | I noticed otherwise I loose alot of seconds (that add up) each time I click on windows on the task bar |
| 14:43.05 | mindif_ | gnome does this way nicer than kde imho |
| 14:43.06 | d1zzy | or move them around so I can see them |
| 14:43.09 | d1zzy | when sharing the same screen |
| 14:43.22 | d1zzy | so I just have them each one on his own workspace |
| 14:43.25 | d1zzy | which I change instantly with alt-number |
| 14:44.32 | d1zzy | I think that is one good thing about kde, it is not indended to be used in a "default" way, which is why it is so configurable (at least kde 3.5.x, you can change/customize anything with its config application) |
| 14:45.19 | d1zzy | it is not the DE that should dictate the user how to do things, it is the user that should make the DE fit with his needs |
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| 14:54.29 | amon_ | Why does amarok continualy update the collection? It consumes 100% cpu time. I've disabled 'check for changes' |
| 14:55.47 | d1zzy | sounds like a bug |
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| 15:07.15 | ras0ir | how can i control kmix from dcop? |
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| 15:08.27 | d1zzy | dcop kmix |
| 15:08.50 | d1zzy | try dcop kmix Mixer0 and see the available API for that mixer |
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| 15:11.10 | ras0ir | ok thanks a lot |
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| 15:16.31 | adac | a question: how are the different languages in kde stored? Is this solved by xml files for every language or somehow different? |
| 15:17.13 | xored | is the current kde4 kopete version not supporting ICQ? |
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| 15:19.10 | Sho_ | adac: KDE uses gettext |
| 15:19.20 | Sho_ | As does most open source software |
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| 15:20.57 | adac | Sho_: ah cool. and gettext gets the input from which files? |
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| 15:21.50 | suigeneris | hi |
| 15:21.56 | Sho_ | adac: From gettext MO files compiled from gettext PO files |
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| 15:22.13 | d1zzy | adac: basically a hash database of key -> value pairs |
| 15:22.13 | suigeneris | how do I assign keyboard shortcuts on KDE? |
| 15:22.17 | d1zzy | where both key and value are strings |
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| 15:22.43 | adac | Sho_ , d1zzy: thx |
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| 15:23.32 | Sho_ | adac: See http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html |
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| 15:24.22 | adac | Sho_ : lot of readig hu ;) |
| 15:24.28 | adac | *reading |
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| 15:26.05 | d1zzy | adac: if you just intend to develop applications wiht i18n support there are GUI tools for writting po files nicely |
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| 15:27.00 | adac | d1zzy: basically i want to extract all the translations and write it to a data base |
| 15:27.22 | p-f | On Windows, there is a program named Winsplit Revolution which provides global hotkeys to easily tile windows (for example, alt-shift-left will make the current maximize vertically and take up half of the screen horizontally, alt-shift-up does the same but with horizontal/vertical reversed, alt-shift-m will create a mosaic and so forth). Is there such a thing for KDE? |
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| 15:28.57 | d1zzy | adac: of all the applications on the current system? |
| 15:29.18 | adac | d1zzy: and all languages, yes |
| 15:29.33 | d1zzy | adac: just go through /usr/share/i18n/locales |
| 15:29.42 | Sho_ | adac: Well, it's a standard tool used by thousands of software projects, so there's a certain level of implementation complexity involved, yes |
| 15:30.00 | d1zzy | make sure your system does install international support for the installed applications |
| 15:30.30 | d1zzy | my gentoo is configured to not do that (a total waste of disk space, even tho I am not native English, I hate native computer interfaces, so I have a locale of en_US.utf8) |
| 15:31.07 | adac | d1zzy, Sho_ : and without installing all languages...just by using the source and extract data there. Would this be possible? |
| 15:31.32 | d1zzy | each project organizes the files in his own way |
| 15:31.37 | d1zzy | they may even generate them at build time |
| 15:32.04 | Sho_ | adac: In principle yes, but as d1zzy says there are implementation details to consider that vary from source package to source package |
| 15:32.56 | adac | d1zzy, Sho_: ok. I just try some things out i think i will find a way... |
| 15:33.34 | d1zzy | I supose a generic enough system is to scap for .po files in a source package |
| 15:33.43 | Sho_ | adac: For KDE specifically if you wanted to e.g. work with the translation files included in the KDE 3.5.8 release, those are in a dedicated tarball, or you can retrieve them from http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.8/kde-i18n/ |
| 15:33.49 | Sho_ | adac: What's your goal there, btw? |
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| 15:35.49 | adac | Sho_: I'm not quite sure...may collect as much translations as possible to provide an easy way for open source project to translate their apps 'automatically' |
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| 15:36.55 | Sho_ | adac: You probably really want to look into KBabel and it's catalogue functionality then, I guess |
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| 15:37.28 | adac | Sho_ : i will have a look at that |
| 15:37.47 | d1zzy | whomever makes kile deserves congrats, that app is very nice |
| 15:38.34 | adac | kile is really nice. i would say it is one of the killer apps |
| 15:42.24 | d1zzy | yeah, definitely one of the best I worked with so far, made my thesis writting a charm |
| 15:42.33 | d1zzy | (ofc that combined with the power of LaTeX) |
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| 15:43.50 | cvw | Does KDE have any mail checking programs for the systray that work well with IMAP? |
| 15:44.25 | agnitio_ | cvw: if you use kmail you could have it sit in the systray and check for mail |
| 15:44.30 | d1zzy | kbiff if my memory serves well |
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| 15:45.55 | cvw | agnitio_: kmail puked when I tried it with our IMAP servers - it didn't like something. |
| 15:46.50 | agnitio_ | cvw: strange, always seemed to work fine for me |
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| 15:47.07 | cvw | agnitio_: yea, I was surprised as well |
| 15:47.20 | agnitio_ | using imap both with gmail and other providers, works like a charm |
| 15:47.46 | cvw | agnitio_: it's a company imap |
| 15:47.57 | d1zzy | yeah, especially through tor since gmail imap is SSL unlike AOL IMAP (also available for years) which has no SSL |
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| 15:51.44 | p-f | agnitio_: have you had any problems with gmail reporting all your old emails in the "All mail" folder as new? |
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| 15:52.15 | d1zzy | p-f: the folders from the GMail folder are symbolic |
| 15:52.23 | d1zzy | you shouldnt use them normally |
| 15:52.27 | d1zzy | use only the inbox folder |
| 15:52.30 | p-f | well |
| 15:52.40 | p-f | I tried to unsubscribe from them and it didn't work, so I'm somewhat stuck with them |
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| 15:54.44 | d1zzy | what do you mean unsubscribe from them? |
| 15:54.50 | d1zzy | just dont use the account anymore lol |
| 15:55.32 | p-f | eh? |
| 15:55.38 | p-f | I mean unsubscribe from the symbolic folders |
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| 15:55.56 | d1zzy | ah that isnt possible either |
| 15:56.03 | d1zzy | I just close that gmail folder |
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| 15:56.32 | p-f | yes, but the new emails will still show up upon refresh even if it's closed |
| 15:56.48 | d1zzy | so ignore them |
| 15:56.53 | d1zzy | I only look in inbox |
| 15:57.27 | p-f | but then kmail will always show "123847189 new emails" in the systray |
| 15:58.00 | p-f | and disabling the systray icon would make the whole thing completely useless, I might as well use the web client |
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| 16:03.24 | p-f | d1zzy: it turns out that they can be disabled using the local subscription option |
| 16:03.40 | d1zzy | local subscription can disable anything |
| 16:03.44 | d1zzy | since it doesnt do it at the server |
| 16:03.46 | d1zzy | but I dont like it |
| 16:03.49 | jthomas__ | where in KControl (KDE3) can I set my GTK apps to use KDE themes? |
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| 16:04.17 | kirberich | hi |
| 16:04.48 | d1zzy | jthomas__: I think its on separate parts |
| 16:04.54 | ccc | jthomas__: you may need to install the kcmgtk module |
| 16:05.00 | d1zzy | jthomas__: in appearence/colors you have "apply colors to non-kde applciations" |
| 16:05.09 | kirberich | i have a small touchscreen here, with which i use kvkbd. but kvkbd is so big that it blocks my view, so i would like to make it transparent. Does anyone know a way to accomplish that? |
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| 16:06.37 | Kekcuk | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139657817 It's game!! If you enter this page you will vote for me!!(thanks too all who enter this page) |
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| 16:10.28 | Booboo | first 24 hrs in KDE4 . Very smooth. |
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| 16:12.05 | kirberich | ha! |
| 16:12.07 | dmilith | Booboo: enabled all effects? |
| 16:12.12 | kirberich | oh sorry, wrong channel |
| 16:12.23 | Booboo | dmilith: no |
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| 16:13.00 | dmilith | Booboo: enable most of them.. after 8hours of working shadows become sloow |
| 16:13.17 | dmilith | but imho plasma is very stable |
| 16:13.28 | dmilith | in comparison with kwin4 for example |
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| 16:14.39 | Booboo | I understand its a .0 version . So aestetics can wait. core functionalities is enough for rhe time being. |
| 16:15.14 | Booboo | thanks for rhe tip. I thought of enabling the effects actually |
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| 16:18.58 | Booboo | So most of the developers are actually hired by distro companies or some IT firms right ? |
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| 16:20.08 | Booboo | So indirectly they are paid to code KDE. Is ithis a fair statement to say ? |
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| 16:24.12 | pinotree | Booboo: it's the opposite, no more than 25-30 are actually paid to work directly or indirectly |
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| 16:24.50 | Booboo | pinotree: and these 25-30 are the core developers ? |
| 16:25.11 | pinotree | core, plasma, pim.. |
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| 16:25.20 | Booboo | i see |
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| 16:26.43 | Booboo | how do developers first get involved ? I mean for someone to get involve right now, would it not be difficult to make sense of codes ? |
| 16:27.18 | MasseR | Darn too bad ati's drivers are so slow with desktop effects. I've been really hoping for expose and the like. Oh well I can wait for another 6kk or a year :) |
| 16:28.19 | Booboo | I mean of course, one must have a good programming ability but besides that, what else one needs to get involve, in terms of programming ability |
| 16:28.41 | pinotree | a working brain :) |
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| 16:29.43 | Booboo | its amazing |
| 16:30.48 | Booboo | I'm just curious whats the motivating factor to contribute. If its not money, what is it |
| 16:31.06 | d1zzy | Booboo: the main thing is start from somewhere |
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| 16:31.15 | d1zzy | if you start from somewhere you are half way along the road :) |
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| 16:31.39 | d1zzy | but finding where to start (ie finding the project, small enough but interesting enough feature to deserve the effort) is the hard part, for me at least |
| 16:31.46 | FreshPrince | yo =] |
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| 16:32.06 | Booboo | dizzy: pretty much my dilemma too |
| 16:32.22 | d1zzy | Booboo: I contribute to other projects, my main juice for doing that there is the people that use what I do |
| 16:32.42 | d1zzy | it is a warm feeling seeing those people happy and seeing thousands of people using the code you written |
| 16:32.48 | d1zzy | knowing it they enjoy it |
| 16:33.00 | d1zzy | then there is the selfteaching reason |
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| 16:33.30 | d1zzy | developing for an open source project always gave me a good practical test bench for various programming techniques I try |
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| 16:34.03 | Booboo | dizzy: yes, I feel like I would learn something by contributing |
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| 16:34.31 | Booboo | I men if I contribute, I would in a way helping myself too |
| 16:34.49 | d1zzy | if programming is your passion then open source can be a good way to do it |
| 16:35.05 | d1zzy | yeah, I learned alot from my contributions |
| 16:35.06 | Booboo | yes, it is a passion. |
| 16:35.13 | d1zzy | first when I understood existent code and techniques |
| 16:35.18 | d1zzy | then when I started developing my own |
| 16:36.11 | Booboo | dizzy: so basically you would spend some time looking through the codes understanding what they do and pick up from there.,right ? |
| 16:36.25 | d1zzy | Im at the end of a huge learning curve that was getting into C++ for me (coming from a C enviroment), especially since I discovered templates and metaprogramming having the patience to get down and use these techniques to do anything has almost been 0 |
| 16:36.35 | d1zzy | but Im almost there so I should get starting to contribute again sometime soon :) |
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| 16:36.50 | Booboo | cool |
| 16:37.11 | d1zzy | for me this never worked to search for what to contribute |
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| 16:37.46 | d1zzy | it always been that by accident I found it (meaning I needed to use something and I found an application that did it but there was some missing feature or bug and then I got and fixed it) |
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| 16:38.22 | Booboo | dizzy: actually thats a good way to start |
| 16:38.23 | d1zzy | the biggest problem is not finding what to do but how can you decide on something to do on all those cool applications and things that you could do... |
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| 16:38.30 | Booboo | out of necessity |
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| 16:40.02 | Booboo | on the career side, its also a good demonstration of knowledge and skill for employment. right ? |
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| 16:41.20 | Booboo | I mean if I'm head of a big company and I need to make an in-house application, I would try an hire an open source programmer because I have seen what he ca do. |
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| 16:42.38 | Booboo | Whats the situation with Linus ? Is he paid by OSDL to fully work on the kernel ? |
| 16:44.48 | SSJ_GZ | Booboo: That's correct, yes. |
| 16:45.04 | SSJ_GZ | Booboo: I'm not sure if he actually needs to work for a living, though :) |
| 16:45.34 | Booboo | SSJ_GZ: because he is very rich ? |
| 16:45.56 | SSJ_GZ | Booboo: In 1999 he was, on paper at least, worth about $20M |
| 16:46.10 | SSJ_GZ | Booboo: I don't know if he has that much "actual" money, though. |
| 16:46.36 | Booboo | Hypothetically, would he earn more money working for commercial IT company ? |
| 16:47.15 | Booboo | SSJ_GZ: The 'money' is from the stock options presented to him over the years, right ? |
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| 16:47.29 | SSJ_GZ | Booboo: Something like that, yes. |
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| 16:47.44 | Booboo | would he earn more money working for commercial IT company ? |
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| 16:50.05 | cristancho | hola |
| 16:50.15 | Booboo | I think it would be very interesting if someone make a research about the social aspects of open source. I have read like people worry about paying rent but still work on open source and with his skill he could land a good paying programming job. |
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| 16:51.52 | cristancho | alguien que hable espaƱol |
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| 16:52.16 | Armand_Laptop | Nien |
| 16:52.17 | aseigo | Booboo: that has nothing to do with open source, really, and just people's general habits. lots of semi-functional people out there who can find all sorts of ways to mess up their existence |
| 16:52.28 | Armand_Laptop | *nein?? |
| 16:52.29 | Armand_Laptop | :P |
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| 16:54.53 | aroedl | Armand_Laptop: "no" |
| 16:55.19 | Armand_Laptop | I only know english.. I just forgot the spelling. :P |
| 16:55.31 | Armand_Laptop | ie, ei.. ??! |
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| 16:56.01 | aroedl | Armand_Laptop: I guess, "no" is spanisch for "no", "Nein" is German, "non" is French... |
| 16:56.12 | aroedl | cristancho: -> #kde-es |
| 16:56.21 | Armand_Laptop | I know that.. I was being sarcastic. ^_^ |
| 16:56.24 | aroedl | cristancho: No hombres over there, though. |
| 16:56.31 | Booboo | aseigo: wow, thats simple and deep at the same time. |
| 16:56.47 | aroedl | Booboo: Well, you're talking to aseigo... |
| 16:56.49 | Booboo | and true |
| 16:57.29 | Booboo | aroedl: yes I am |
| 16:57.56 | Booboo | and to all in general |
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| 17:00.28 | Booboo | I have used Linux for more than ten years now. Been fascinated for ten years. Been wanting to contribute for ten years. Done nothing for ten years. |
| 17:00.52 | Armand_Laptop | lol |
| 17:00.56 | aroedl | :-D |
| 17:01.04 | aseigo | Booboo: what sort of involvement? development, documentation, translating, art, .... ? |
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| 17:01.28 | Armand_Laptop | I would love to contribute.. but I'm useless, unless someone needs a massive input of sarcasm. ^^_ |
| 17:01.31 | Booboo | development |
| 17:01.31 | Armand_Laptop | ^_^ |
| 17:01.44 | Booboo | not sure I'm good enough though |
| 17:01.46 | aseigo | Booboo: the easy way is to just .. you know .. put aside a couple hours some evening and do something. the biggest blocker, i find, is scheduling. |
| 17:02.04 | aseigo | Booboo: bah. you wouldn't say that if you looked around at the level of contribution around the free software world |
| 17:02.11 | aseigo | Booboo: there are people of all skill levels and abilities |
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| 17:02.37 | aseigo | Booboo: all that matters is that you try, that you put a good effort in and that you start simple so that you don't go past your abilities at the start |
| 17:02.40 | Booboo | thats good to know :) |
| 17:02.51 | aseigo | and pick something that interests you |
| 17:03.09 | aseigo | nothing as motivating and enjoyable as working on something *you* find engaging |
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| 17:09.08 | illogic-al | my eyes burn. and kdebase won't build. i hate os x today. |
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| 17:11.19 | Booboo | aseigo: thanks. its been encouraging. |
| 17:11.30 | aseigo | Booboo: np |
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| 17:26.51 | kdepepo | Booboo, a good start is to _read_ a lot of KDE code. |
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| 17:34.27 | Phlogi | http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=kde&word2=gnome |
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| 17:36.18 | matthew_ | weird |
| 17:36.27 | matthew_ | whoops, wrong nick... |
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| 17:38.42 | root_ | evrybody |
| 17:39.05 | dmilith | it should be kickban for all root's ;] |
| 17:39.49 | Booboo | kdepepo: yep. I think that another way to start too. |
| 17:40.03 | sco50000 | i've seen other linux channel's that ban nayone with root in any part of their hostname or nickname |
| 17:40.30 | Phlogi | why? |
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| 17:41.35 | Booboo | Phlogi: its a security thing for the user. |
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| 17:56.35 | Phlogi | Booboo: yes but you can choose something with root without beeing root :) |
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| 17:57.53 | Booboo | Phlogi: yes, I was actually thinking of that when I wrote my last sentence. But I didn't want to get into the.... whole thing... you know |
| 17:58.08 | Booboo | :) |
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| 18:02.38 | Firk | hi, how can I change the size of the font of Icon text? |
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| 18:05.17 | Firk | and also the size of window bars text, I am having unproportionally large fonts there |
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| 18:14.43 | oGanso | can anyone point me to a good way to switch between kde3.5 and kde4 sessions? |
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| 18:17.02 | boom1992 | oGanso: Xephyr? |
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| 18:21.08 | oGanso | boom1992: waw :D thx seems a bit overkill but i'll try! |
| 18:21.20 | boom1992 | yeah :D |
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| 18:27.13 | SatanClaus | does someone have a hint for me, how to influence which contact's name is selected when just starting kadressbook? |
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| 18:28.55 | SatanClaus | the selected name is the name for ages and it's not mine, but the one of a total moron ;) |
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| 18:29.56 | madclicker | hi. whenever i launch any application it doesn't come up on top of other windows it just blinks on the ticker. How can I make it that on launch the application is on the foreground? |
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| 18:33.11 | ploo | can the clock format be changed? stuck on 24hour and I cannot change the format |
| 18:33.16 | ploo | on kicker |
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| 18:35.27 | muttsie | ploo: configure desktop -> Country/Region & Languages -> Time & Date , is that the option? |
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| 18:35.55 | muttsie | or just right click on the clock |
| 18:35.59 | jazka | 24 hour system rocks :) |
| 18:36.18 | ploo | no? |
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| 18:36.29 | ploo | right click on clock will not allow me to change the format |
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| 18:36.48 | muttsie | no Date and Time format option? |
| 18:36.57 | ploo | yes but it doesn't do anything |
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| 18:38.15 | muttsie | but you change the format to AM/PM? |
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| 18:38.31 | jazka | probably system settings -> Regional & Language -> Country/region & language -> Time & Dates |
| 18:38.40 | jazka | time format to AM/PM |
| 18:39.12 | muttsie | hmmm, does it need a logout login to the changes take effect? |
| 18:39.17 | jazka | I think so |
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| 18:40.25 | RedFish | Heyo, I've managed to bugger something and now my configuration changes are not taking effect. Example being I can edit ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc, log out, and back in, and its been completely reset. (I'm trying to resize my panel). Also various desktop effects are not being enabled/disabled despite them being set in the gui, and kopete's configuration is doing the same. Any ideas? |
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| 18:49.48 | ploo | jazka, I do and nothing |
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| 19:01.14 | desertc | Hey all. Mr. Seigo made some big news saying KDE would port to Windows and Mac operating systems. I am trying to figure out the scheduled dates for this concept. Is this going to be in the next 4.1 release of KDE? |
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| 19:03.35 | seria-mau | is it possible to list all fstab entries in dolphin? |
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| 19:04.21 | SSJ_GZ | desertc: Libraries and some apps are being ported to Windows and Mac, but not the desktop. It's currently at the "Technology Preview" stage. They are hoping for "production readiness" for 4.1, IIRC. |
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| 19:04.56 | desertc | SSJ_GZ: I see. Thanks for your response. |
| 19:05.10 | SSJ_GZ | desertc: np |
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| 19:27.23 | orkid | do you know if those outlines around plasma desktop object can be gotten rid of ? it would be nice to have the objects just there, and be able to interact with them with the outlines showin up |
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| 19:29.04 | illogic-al | orkid: not yet. |
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| 19:30.03 | lubos | is there a way to restart kde look? |
| 19:30.41 | illogic-al | hopefully we'll get the option to only have them show up using key combos or a longer mouseover timeout. |
| 19:30.56 | illogic-al | lubos: you mean the kde desktop? |
| 19:31.12 | bedi | lubos: on kcontrol set all appearence settings to default =D |
| 19:31.41 | orkid | or maybe on a right click menu ... |
| 19:32.01 | orkid | i hope |
| 19:32.03 | lubos | i removed everything from bottom panel and now i cant add it back?? |
| 19:32.17 | lubos | yes i tried right click |
| 19:32.23 | lubos | nothing pops up |
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| 19:33.19 | orkid | the right click message was regarding plasma object outlines |
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| 19:34.55 | scruggsj | lubos: You can return yout desktop baack to the orinal state by removing the ~./kde{your KDE version} |
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| 19:35.16 | scruggsj | * ~/.KDE{your versiobn} |
| 19:35.20 | scruggsj | *veersion |
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| 19:35.32 | scruggsj | He left -_- |
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| 19:36.39 | madclicker | hi. whenever i launch any application it doesn't come up on top of other windows it just blinks on the ticker. How can I make it that on launch the application is on the foreground? |
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| 19:51.15 | karsten | Can someone confirm a crash in Konqueror on this site: http://optionarmageddon.blogspot.com/2008/01/where-is-government.html?ref=patrick.net |
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| 19:51.31 | karsten | Konqueror 3.5.8 on Debian x86. |
| 19:51.32 | karsten | Sid. |
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| 19:58.56 | kdepepo | hehe, I just run kicker under kde 4.0, and have all I need :) |
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| 20:06.35 | holger | hi everyone |
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| 20:07.54 | holger | I just upgraded to kde 4 and it's pretty cool, the only thing that annoys me is that I can't bind a keyboard shortcut to the application launcher |
| 20:08.10 | holger | does anyone know a hack to do it (like a dcop-call)? |
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| 20:11.27 | cbr | dcop doesnt work with kde4 right? |
| 20:12.09 | holger | oh, is that so? |
| 20:12.46 | SSJ_GZ | holger: KDE4 uses DBUS instead. |
| 20:12.50 | holger | because i can still bind an action to a call |
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| 20:13.29 | holger | hmm, the server is still running though (but maybe it was started by a kde3-app) |
| 20:14.00 | holger | but choosing dbus seems a good call, though |
| 20:14.13 | holger | anyway, any hacks for my keybinding-problem? |
| 20:14.29 | cbr | dcop --session "$session" --all-users kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock |
| 20:14.36 | cbr | how do i run this in kde4? |
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| 20:15.51 | skizzo87 | good evening |
| 20:15.58 | holger | hi |
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| 20:16.30 | skizzo87 | can i have help?? i was deleted the pannel in kde4 and i want to restore it... |
| 20:16.51 | holger | you deleted the panel as such? |
| 20:16.57 | holger | the black bar at the bottom? |
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| 20:17.04 | skizzo87 | yes |
| 20:17.06 | holger | wow |
| 20:17.11 | holger | I want that too |
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| 20:17.19 | holger | how did you do that? |
| 20:17.20 | holger | :-) |
| 20:17.28 | skizzo87 | i don't know :) |
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| 20:17.45 | SSJ_GZ | skizzo87: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Where_has_my_panel_disappeared_to.3F.21 |
| 20:18.00 | skizzo87 | thanks SSJ_GZ |
| 20:18.06 | SSJ_GZ | np |
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| 20:19.13 | skizzo87 | i now start kde4 and i test this solution :) |
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| 20:41.48 | UpJOhN27 | pagi yang gelap |
| 20:41.55 | UpJOhN27 | kini sudah terang |
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| 20:42.57 | BULLE | UpJOhN27: ahh, så din hamster har fasnat i tvättmaskinen |
| 20:43.18 | BULLE | UpJOhN27: jag tror att du har rätt, 2 liter terpentin, och så in med ett par deciliter bensin, och tänd på |
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| 20:43.28 | dmilith | english |
| 20:43.46 | BULLE | dmilith: sorry, i didnt think UpJOhN27 understood english |
| 20:44.00 | dmilith | BULLE: i believe ;} |
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| 20:49.34 | wireddd | I keep getting protocol died unexpectedly when I try to use fish |
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| 20:50.09 | bline | Anyone know how to get KAddressbook to refresh it's list of addresses from Kmail IMAP? |
| 20:50.15 | wireddd | is there any way to get a more descriptive error? |
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| 20:50.53 | bline | wireddd: try doing the ssh manually? |
| 20:51.10 | wireddd | that works fine |
| 20:51.21 | wireddd | it is a kde problem |
| 20:52.29 | bline | anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| 20:53.14 | cbr | how could i do the same in kde4? dcop --session "$session" --all-users kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock |
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| 20:54.16 | xoqa | hai someone want to help me with kphone? |
| 20:54.21 | wireddd | yup: kioslave: ####### CRASH ###### protocol = fish pid = 26991 signal = 29 |
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| 20:56.19 | qupada | wireddd: use sftp:// instead |
| 20:56.53 | Roey | qupada: instead of ssh:// ? |
| 20:57.01 | qupada | instead of fish:// |
| 20:57.02 | Roey | why don't they just deprecate fish:// and ssh:// then |
| 20:57.35 | qupada | because if the remote ssh server doesn't have the sftp extension loaded you don't have any choice |
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| 20:57.36 | SimAtWork | cause fish works well for most people |
| 20:58.11 | wireddd | fish used to work great |
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| 20:58.47 | qupada | wireddd: well it's not going to be the fastest performing protocol, but it is at least universally compatible |
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| 20:59.41 | wireddd | I guess I will just have to load the sftp extension, fortunately it is my server |
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| 21:00.57 | qupada | most linuxes should have it enabled by default, bsd's i'd imagine will too. any other unix all bets are off |
| 21:00.59 | johnficca | how to I get a program to start up at boot? |
| 21:01.24 | dmilith | johnficca: that's my question too |
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| 21:01.38 | BULLE | johnficca: put it in Autostart folder ? or a link to it atleast ? |
| 21:01.59 | johnficca | BULLE: where is that folder? |
| 21:02.06 | qupada | johnficca: ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 21:02.12 | johnficca | cool |
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| 21:02.30 | dmilith | qupada: how? |
| 21:03.05 | dmilith | i've put there sym link to app.. but it does not run |
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| 21:03.44 | qupada | dmilith: check your ~/.xsession-errors, you might have an error message |
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| 21:05.37 | johnficca | qupada: I don't have a folder in that place |
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| 21:08.07 | cbr | is somebody running kde4 here? |
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| 21:08.39 | johnficca | I don't have an autostart folder...? |
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| 21:09.20 | qupada | johnficca: you can just make it safely |
| 21:10.41 | scruggsj | cbr: me. I use KDE4. |
| 21:10.43 | johnficca | qupada: is it with a Autostart or autostart? |
| 21:10.56 | pedepy2 | any way of adjusting the desktop 'grid' independently from icon size ? |
| 21:11.00 | pedepy2 | i need more room |
| 21:11.10 | pedepy2 | (kde 3) |
| 21:11.14 | cbr | scruggsj: try running this command: /usr/bin/xset -display :0.0 dpms force off |
| 21:11.37 | johnficca | qupada: and should I make it in my .kde folder or my .kde4 folder? |
| 21:11.41 | cbr | scruggsj: tell me if the screen stays black or does the screensaver kick in? |
| 21:11.49 | scruggsj | cbr: what will that do? |
| 21:12.04 | cbr | it'll turn off your display |
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| 21:14.00 | scruggsj | cbr: It stays black for a bit and then it kicks back on to the screen. |
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| 21:14.04 | qupada | johnficca: well .kde4 is probably a symlink to .kde (or vice versa). and it's Autostart, not autostart |
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| 21:14.17 | cbr | scruggsj: the screensaver doesnt start? |
| 21:14.27 | scruggsj | cbr: nope |
| 21:14.56 | cbr | hmm |
| 21:14.58 | cbr | for me it does |
| 21:15.03 | cbr | after about 2-3 seconds |
| 21:15.28 | scruggsj | hmm |
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| 21:16.24 | cbr | i spent hours of debugging acpi because of this |
| 21:16.33 | cbr | now it seems it's kde4's fault afterall :p |
| 21:16.51 | cbr | but you dont confirm it so dunno :S |
| 21:17.00 | scruggsj | cbr: My monitor turned off and went into powersave mode. No screensaver |
| 21:17.23 | cbr | mine turns off too for about 2 seconds |
| 21:17.32 | cbr | but then turns on again and the screensaver appears |
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| 21:17.56 | cbr | which is very annoying when you close the laptop lid for example |
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| 21:21.42 | cbr | i disabled the screensaver in kde control center and now it's all normal |
| 21:21.49 | cbr | peculiar.. |
| 21:21.56 | scruggsj | cbr: Just tried again and I couldn't turn my monitor back on. -_- |
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| 21:22.20 | cbr | hehe :D |
| 21:23.09 | the_gamer | is kdenlive full of bugs ? it keeps crashing here at nearly anything i do, add a clip, open a window.. what's wrong with it ? |
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| 21:36.22 | Shapeshifter | Does someone have an idea how to make links appear in Opera if clicked on in Thunderbird for Linux? I'm using KDE and opera is the standard browser (as a component) and it's also the standard application for html files. If I click on links in kopete e.g. they open in Opera, but if I click on links in Thunderbird, Konqueror opens up... Any idea? |
| 21:36.48 | PhilRod | Shapeshifter: you'll have to change a thunderbird setting |
| 21:36.52 | PhilRod | ask in #thunderbird |
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| 21:39.18 | Shapeshifter | PhilRod: Ok then... it's so annoying when people up their own IRC server just to support their one piece of software.... There's no one in #Thunderbird on freenode, need to connect to irc.mozilla.org just for this one... |
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| 21:44.40 | pedepy | so |
| 21:44.42 | pedepy | if I get this right |
| 21:45.11 | pedepy | if I want a stock ticker plasmoid, I could instead write a stock ticker 'data engine' which could then be used as the source of data for any plasmoid ? |
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| 21:48.04 | pedepy | :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( |
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| 21:55.08 | tech9iner | g'day kdeMates.. |
| 21:55.46 | tech9iner | so been back on tao of the green tux path [opensuse ;]] for all of 3 wks now after bout 15mos in microsux darkness during new startup.. scarred but here ;]] |
| 21:57.02 | tech9iner | running opensuse 10.3 & internet via my pcmcia Novatel Merlin S720 EVDO card from pos sprint.. seen by osuse as modem0 & provider0 via kinternet.. |
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| 21:58.06 | tech9iner | bugger is.. since day one upon completion of the install ive been suffering all internet accessing apps defaulting to 'offline mode' ?.. every new ffx sessions.. konqi.. even konvi as i type this has the 'offline mode' icon in statusbar.. |
| 21:58.51 | tech9iner | suse mate suggests it may be due my air card / smpppd &/or kppp somehow not telling system globally to be seen as 'online mode' ? |
| 21:59.00 | jose | tech9iner: I suffer from the same problem. one way to deal with it is to enable and then disable wireless |
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| 21:59.15 | tech9iner | curious if any mates in kdeVille have resolved this please.. |
| 21:59.19 | jose | tech9iner: if you do that, KDE will switch to online mode |
| 21:59.48 | tech9iner | hmmm.. via networkmanager then jose ?.. & thanks btw fwiw ;]].. of via kinternet?.. |
| 21:59.56 | tech9iner | of*or via... |
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| 22:00.25 | tech9iner | !seen gravedigger |
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| 22:00.35 | jose | tech9iner: via NM |
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| 22:01.39 | jose | tech9iner: when I use kinternet, I dont have that problem, it seems kinternet is smarter than NM |
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| 22:02.19 | tech9iner | well im using said kinternet & having said probs sadly here jose ... you likewise networking via air card in pcmcia slot? |
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| 22:03.20 | jose | tech9iner: 3G card in pcmcia slot |
| 22:03.33 | xjazz | hello all, can same help me with okular? |
| 22:04.09 | tech9iner | hmmm.. so wtf does kinternet favor thee & not me jose lol |
| 22:04.27 | pinotree | xjazz: can its maintainer? :D |
| 22:05.03 | tech9iner | jose: perhaps i shall compare my kinternet &/or nmgr configs with u since our www access is similar if you've time & so inclined mate |
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| 22:05.33 | xjazz | grhhhm %) |
| 22:05.44 | jose | tech9iner: nnot a kde expert, but I'll be glad to help on what I can |
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| 22:06.47 | tech9iner | wtf does 'switch kde network status' checkbox effect ? |
| 22:06.57 | tech9iner | tx muchly jose ;]].. |
| 22:07.41 | jose | tech9iner: try to check it, maybe it could work |
| 22:07.53 | pinotree | xjazz: so, come in #okular and try to solve the issue :) |
| 22:08.35 | xjazz | ok, thanks |
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| 22:08.40 | tech9iner | mk ill popoffline a few sex jose & see wtf happens upon fireing connection back up.. brb |
| 22:10.08 | morricone | Does anyone agree with http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2008/01/kde-4-review-insane-style.html ? |
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| 22:12.13 | pinotree | morricone: yawn, this sort of stuff is getting boring, really |
| 22:12.26 | peanutwithchocol | hello, how can i put kde4 into spanish??? |
| 22:12.44 | pinotree | peanutwithchocol: are you using some distro packages, or compiling on your own? |
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| 22:13.17 | tech9iner_ | jhcrikey jose lmao.. |
| 22:13.27 | morricone | pinotree, what sort of stuff? please try to read the articles and possibly the previous ones |
| 22:13.41 | pinotree | morricone: dude, that's what i do at least twice a day |
| 22:13.46 | peanutwithchocol | pinotree: i'm using distro package (ubuntu) |
| 22:14.02 | jose | tech9iner_: ? |
| 22:14.04 | tech9iner_ | jose: ive been whining & begging for resolution on that bugger last 3 wks.. not one guru suggested that gdamnd checkbox in kinternet lmao.. |
| 22:14.08 | pinotree | morricone: you are free to write whatever you want, but coming here to get reader and advertize your stuff, no. |
| 22:14.17 | jose | tech9iner_: so it works now? |
| 22:14.32 | tech9iner_ | the 'offline mode' icon in statusbar in konvi is gone jose lol.. poof! |
| 22:14.45 | pinotree | peanutwithchocol: then you should ask in #kubuntu, as they should provide the language packs for kde4 |
| 22:15.02 | jose | tech9iner_: nice! |
| 22:15.15 | peanutwithchocol | ok, thanks |
| 22:15.19 | tech9iner_ | speaks volumes about the cause of handups from gurus in several channels sadly jose that u & i stumbled blindly onto it hehe |
| 22:15.58 | tech9iner_ | imho jose likewise makes a statement about documentation too.. i googled the hell out of that debacle.. |
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| 22:17.11 | tech9iner_ | the prob with googling as a non-uber-geekazoid jose .. if you dont know the exact keywords that'll drill out some answers u just end up bloodying ur forehead on brick walled mazes leading nowhere hehe |
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| 22:17.48 | morricone | pinotree, I'm sorry but i don't want to 'advertise' my stuff, because I have literally no affiliation with the author. I only want the developers of the kde file dialog to know, that there may have been some regressions from the one from kde3.5. and i didn't know a better communication channel than here. |
| 22:18.11 | jose | tech9iner_: I've suffered from the same. and when you have trivial problems for gurus, it takes forever to find out what going on, even in simple cases like unchecked checkboxes |
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| 22:18.35 | tech9iner_ | ditto lad indeed jose ;]] |
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| 22:18.56 | pinotree | morricone: we know that there can be regressions wrt kde 3.5, it was said until the death kde 4.0 can*not* replace kde 3.5 fuly |
| 22:18.58 | pinotree | *fully |
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| 22:20.47 | HS^ | i think soomn 4.0.1 comes out:) |
| 22:21.00 | HS^ | next week! |
| 22:21.05 | pinotree | two weeks |
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| 22:21.25 | HS^ | oh on the beginning of each month a new minor version is released |
| 22:21.26 | HS^ | ? |
| 22:21.35 | morricone | pinotree, the article is *mainly* about the kde file dialog. And he discusses changes by design. Not unimplemented features. |
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| 22:22.15 | pinotree | morricone: the design is not set in the stone either, nor definitive |
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| 22:23.54 | morricone | pinotree, that's why i'm posting the article ;) But, if you think, that this isn't the appropiate place for this discussion. Please point me to the right place. |
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| 22:27.15 | pinotree | morricone: not sure, but probably the kfm-devel ml: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kfm-devel |
| 22:27.43 | morricone | thx |
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| 22:35.43 | haroon | Can anyone look at this picture and tell me what's going wrong? It happened after a reboot. http://habhab.homeunix.net/~haroon/pictures/timeproblem.png ... the time is off *ONLY* in KDE, but KDE allows me to pick nothing but UTC for time zone. THe system time is correct, and you can see the time of OS X.. which I'm VNC'ing into the machine from. Any help? |
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| 22:37.18 | pinotree | arjuna: please ask in the channel of your distribution... |
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| 23:18.24 | mxttie | i found it, it's "about:konqueror" |
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| 23:24.38 | illogic-al | gawsh. qt takes FOREVER to build. |
| 23:26.19 | kde_pepo | illogic-al. |
| 23:26.30 | kde_pepo | why dont you use prebuild packages |
| 23:27.04 | illogic-al | becuase prebuilt packages aren't available on a consistent basis. |
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| 23:30.21 | ryanakca | umm... this normal? |
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| 23:30.24 | ryanakca | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.33 | ryanakca | 77.2% CPU?!?!? |
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| 23:31.23 | illogic-al | you sure that number is for the cpu? |
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| 23:32.43 | ryanakca | illogic-al: positive :) |
| 23:33.10 | ryanakca | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.23 | illogic-al | then that is most definitely not normal |
| 23:33.45 | ryanakca | illogic-al: nope... killed and restarted it... seems to be behaving better |
| 23:33.59 | illogic-al | ryanakca: which version of klipper? |
| 23:34.41 | ryanakca | Klipper: v0.9.7 |
| 23:35.05 | illogic-al | kde 3 or 4? |
| 23:35.21 | ryanakca | 4 |
| 23:35.21 | murderface | just installed kde4 on gentoo. im having some weirdness with icons. i can't remember exactly what i was doing, but my icons started changing. i logged in with a different user and everything was fine. I tried deleting the .kde4.0 directory since i didn't really have any configuration that I was worried about keeping. here is a screenshot of the problem: http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b368/teenbh/screenshot.png |
| 23:35.31 | murderface | anyone have any idea on how i can fix this? |
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| 23:36.28 | gabo_ | hi |
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| 23:37.22 | gabo_ | ni |
| 23:37.24 | gabo_ | be |
| 23:37.26 | gabo_ | lum |
| 23:37.29 | gabo_ | das |
| 23:37.32 | gabo_ | ort |
| 23:37.45 | murderface | gabo, wtf are you doing? |
| 23:38.09 | gabo_ | sorry i this dont works ;P |
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| 23:38.55 | illogic-al | murderface: define "weirdness" |
| 23:39.07 | gabo_ | some one knows configurate compiz? |
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| 23:39.21 | gabo_ | in ubuntu ultimate |
| 23:39.31 | illogic-al | try #compiz gabo_ |
| 23:39.37 | murderface | well.. instead of the "K" icon for the application launcher, i get the "back" icon from konqueror |
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| 23:39.47 | murderface | you can see it in the screenshot i posted |
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| 23:40.02 | illogic-al | murderface: yes. i thought you did that deliberately somehow. |
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| 23:40.19 | Alien|Freak | hi all |
| 23:40.23 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | hi everyone |
| 23:40.24 | illogic-al | murderface: you are getting kde3 and kde4 mixed up |
| 23:40.32 | murderface | nope. not at all. i tried to reapply the oxygen icon theme to no avail |
| 23:40.51 | murderface | yeah. thats what it seems like |
| 23:40.55 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | i have a problem with KDE4 :S |
| 23:41.03 | illogic-al | i suspect you ran kde4 apps at the same time and then this started happening. |
| 23:41.05 | gabo_ | well when i activate the efects the border of the windows fail |
| 23:41.10 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | my taskbar has disappeared after restarting computer |
| 23:41.11 | illogic-al | SsJ_Naruto-Vash: get in line :-) |
| 23:41.14 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | lol |
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| 23:41.36 | illogic-al | gabo_ #compiz |
| 23:41.36 | Alien|Freak | hey guys, are there any issues with running compiz-fusion along with KDE4? |
| 23:41.53 | murderface | you mean, ran a kde-3.5 app? |
| 23:42.02 | illogic-al | Alien_Freak: yes. the same ones which appear when running compiz with kde3 |
| 23:42.08 | illogic-al | murderface: yes |
| 23:42.11 | jpsalova | I did that a few times, seemed to work |
| 23:42.19 | gabo_ | sorry illogic-al tnks |
| 23:42.20 | jpsalova | the compiz, that is |
| 23:42.44 | illogic-al | jpsalova: yes, it works. but there are issues. |
| 23:43.07 | Alien|Freak | illogic-al, i didn't notice any issues with KDE3, so I suppose that's a no on my end |
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| 23:43.25 | Alien|Freak | I was just wondering if the compiz like effects added in KDE4 would be conflicting... |
| 23:43.26 | murderface | illogic-al: yeah. i think i did now that i think about it. i think it was kontact |
| 23:43.28 | illogic-al | Alien|Freak: one sure way to find out. |
| 23:43.36 | illogic-al | i haven't personally tried. |
| 23:43.52 | Alien|Freak | lol. was asking about known bugs. |
| 23:44.00 | Alien|Freak | thanks for the help. |
| 23:44.00 | thiago_home | Alien|Freak: conflicting with what? |
| 23:44.35 | jose | does anyone have problems with latest konqueror4? |
| 23:44.39 | Alien|Freak | compiz-fusion and the KDE4 built in compiz like effects |
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| 23:45.04 | illogic-al | Alien|Freak: there've been no major releases of compiz since kde4's release. and there's been no attempt on the kde end of things to play nice with compiz before kde4's release so all issues remain. |
| 23:45.16 | thiago_home | Alien|Freak: Are you talking about kwin at all? |
| 23:45.18 | jose | konqueror4 is really slow, nd eventually outputs the error msg: Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: Connection is closed |
| 23:45.22 | thiago_home | Alien|Freak: I don't understand what you want. |
| 23:46.05 | murderface | illogic-al: is there any way you know of to fix that? i tried reapplying the oxygen theme through the system settings dialog |
| 23:46.51 | illogic-al | murderface: deleting the kde4 $home and not running any kde3 programs. |
| 23:46.53 | Alien|Freak | I meant if I ran compiz-fusion on top of KDE4 if that would cause a conflict. |
| 23:47.09 | murderface | illogic-al: ive tried that already |
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| 23:47.12 | illogic-al | there might be a "better" way to do this but i haven't put much effort into it. |
| 23:47.22 | thiago_home | Alien|Freak: unknown. Ask that in #compiz. |
| 23:47.30 | thiago_home | Alien|Freak: we are not testing KDE 4 against Compiz. |
| 23:47.53 | Shirakawasuna | I'm having trouble getting krecipes to work - it compiles, but then crashes after setup. Are there any other KDE recipe managers? |
| 23:47.58 | illogic-al | Alien|Freak: you can't run compiz and kwin at the same time |
| 23:48.23 | illogic-al | and since kwin provides desktop effects there would not be any conflict desktop effect-wise |
| 23:49.25 | illogic-al | and i'm sure kde4 can use multiple window managers as has always ben the case. |
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| 23:49.46 | murderface | illiogic-al: i deleted the .kde4.0 directory from a 3.5 session, logged out, logged in.. got the same behavior. kerry and kpowersave start automatically on login. do you think that is causing the problem |
| 23:50.28 | illogic-al | murderface: i think it could cause the problem. |
| 23:50.29 | thiago_home | murderface: kerry and kpowersave are not part of the KDE 4 program list. |
| 23:50.44 | thiago_home | murderface: please ask your distribution's channel how they got installed and how to turn them off. |
| 23:50.52 | thiago_home | (kerry isn't part of KDE 3 either) |
| 23:50.58 | Shirakawasuna | murderface: set up a new user for KDE 4 |
| 23:51.03 | Shirakawasuna | see if it persists |
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| 23:52.05 | murderface | Shirakawasuna: it looks fine under another user |
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| 23:52.31 | Shirakawasuna | murderface: move .kde3.5 to another name, see if it persists |
| 23:52.38 | Shirakawasuna | then you'll know it's something in kde3.5 |
| 23:52.43 | murderface | ok. will try that |
| 23:52.49 | Shirakawasuna | I'm not sure if they're supposed to be run by the same user, even in theory... |
| 23:53.21 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | do you guys think deleting ~/.kde4 will hurt kde4? |
| 23:54.06 | jose | SsJ_Naruto-Vash: it shouldnt |
| 23:54.22 | jose | SsJ_Naruto-Vash: I do it every time I update kde4 |
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| 23:55.16 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | hmmm |
| 23:55.17 | murderface | Sharakawasuna: ill try moving the directory, but im pretty sure its perfectly fine to run kde-4 and kde-3.5 sessions under the same user |
| 23:55.29 | kde_pepo | remember that .kde4 contains all your bookmarks, wallet, contacts, calendars, etc. |
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| 23:55.56 | slango | so... I'm watching Aaron's keynote, and I'm wondering... will Solid be usable on Windows for applications that don't use other parts of KDE/Qt? |
| 23:56.02 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | I created a new user (i saw someone say that earlier, and was sad i didn't think of it first) and the new account has everything it should have, but no default background image... |
| 23:56.27 | SpeedEvil | Hello! In KDE, alt moves my windows round. I want to drop this binding, so apps get alt. How? |
| 23:56.58 | slango | I mean, is Solid a standalone component in the sense that it will work anywhere, even if no other part of KDE was installed? |
| 23:57.08 | slango | or is it strictly a piece of KDE? |
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