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`00:04.20`	`bwayne`	`i'm attempting to burn a 800 MB iso to a DVD+R. My probem is, K3B won't allow me to select the DVD+R as a burn medium. Simply says please insert CD(R). Is this normal?`
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`00:04.51`	`Aerdan`	`You need to select 'Burn DVD Image', not 'Burn CD Image'`
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`00:06.08`	`bwayne`	`ah ... "further actions". thanks. :)`
`00:06.19`	`bwayne`	`I was just dragging the file into the project.`
`00:07.02`	`bwayne`	`... the project that kde initialized when I inserted the DVD. strange it wouldn't default to create DVD image.`
`00:09.31`	`bwayne`	`thx again.`
`00:09.33`	`bwayne`	`bye!`
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`00:13.20`	`Gargantua`	`Hi`
`00:13.57`	`Gargantua`	`is it common of Kword to count words such as "could'nt" and "can't" misspelled?`
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`00:15.43`	`MinceR`	`could'nt is misspelled`
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`00:16.24`	`Gargantua`	`same thing with "couldn't".`
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`00:20.28`	`Xenguy`	`I am trying to find people with experience with the 'ktorrent' bittorrent client...`
`00:20.43`	`Xenguy`	`I would like to know what the format is for blocklist files, and how to verify that the blocklist plug-in is actually working...`
`00:21.00`	`Xenguy`	`Does anyone here have experience with this app?`
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`00:27.07`	`nick_`	`for some reason konquer puts my tabs on the bottom instead of the top............... how do i fix this`
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`00:35.14`	`cohonen`	`hey ,, whats the best IDE for Qt development`
`00:35.22`	`greg`	`eclipse`
`00:35.22`	`cohonen`	`kdevelop og qtdevelop`
`00:35.24`	`cohonen`	`hmm`
`00:35.39`	`greg`	`imho`
`00:35.40`	`MinceR`	`gvim + qt designer :>`
`00:35.42`	`cohonen`	`can i get auto completion with the c++ mode in eclipse ?`
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`00:36.00`	`greg`	`pretty sure.. sec`
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`00:36.51`	`sandsmark`	`Katte`
`00:36.54`	`FreshPrince`	`hi`
`00:36.55`	`sandsmark`	`*kate`
`00:38.09`	`cohonen`	`greg: so you use the java wrapper ?`
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`00:38.11`	`greg`	`i've been using jambi for java + qt development.. creating a c++ project now`
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`00:38.43`	`nick_`	`nick_:`
`00:38.55`	`cohonen`	`greg: so does it auto complete ?`
`00:39.08`	`Yuyur`	`is there any gui ftp client for kde?`
`00:39.10`	`sandsmark`	`sandsmark:`
`00:39.15`	`sandsmark`	`Yuyur: Konqueror`
`00:39.16`	`sandsmark`	`or Dolphin`
`00:39.29`	`sandsmark`	`or KFTPgrabber`
`00:39.32`	`sandsmark`	`or Kasablanca`
`00:39.38`	`Yuyur`	`ok let me try,thank you`
`00:39.40`	`cohonen`	`Yuyur: just type ftp:// blaah`
`00:39.41`	`greg`	`Yuyur: filezilla works too`
`00:39.43`	`sandsmark`	`yw;)`
`00:40.05`	`cohonen`	`greg: so ,, did eclipse have autp completion`
`00:40.18`	`greg`	`yes`
`00:40.28`	`greg`	`did a qt c++ project`
`00:40.29`	`cohonen`	`also in c++ mode`
`00:40.32`	`cohonen`	`cool`
`00:40.34`	`greg`	`completion worked`
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`00:40.52`	`greg`	`it also has the designer builtin`
`00:40.59`	`greg`	`for c++ / java qt development`
`00:41.10`	`cohonen`	`well , if jambi is just as good maybe i should just use that , im more java than c++ man`
`00:41.20`	`cohonen`	`great`
`00:41.25`	`FiNeX`	`n8 all`
`00:41.42`	`sandsmark`	`night`
`00:41.46`	`cohonen`	`so whats the easiest way to get the jambi plugin working with eclipse ?`
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`00:42.08`	`greg`	`i went to trolltech.com and downloaded it`
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`00:42.38`	`cohonen`	`and then unpacked it in /opt/eclipse or whereever you have eclipse main dir`
`00:43.34`	`greg`	`yep`
`00:44.07`	`cohonen`	`so i assume the plugin needs to get told where your qt4-lib is installed`
`00:45.09`	`Xenguy`	`Where can I get some support for ktorrent?`
`00:45.11`	`greg`	`iirc, i installed qt4 from fedora repo, jambi and jambi eclipse plugin from trolltech`
`00:45.20`	`greg`	`Xenguy: you came to the right place..`
`00:45.48`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: ktorrent.org`
`00:45.54`	`Xenguy`	`greg: OK, I will be patient then, and repeat only occasionally`
`00:46.02`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: you should turn on the infp plugin to see if the ip blocking fworks`
`00:46.10`	`sandsmark`	`*info`
`00:46.18`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: there is nothing there, for documentation, that I can see`
`00:46.40`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: info plugin...`
`00:46.45`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: I meant the froams`
`00:46.52`	`greg`	`sandsmark: oh i didn't realize there's forums there.. http://ktorrent.org/forum/`
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`00:47.03`	`sandsmark`	`;)`
`00:47.18`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: (I have looked at the forums) thanks for the info plugin tip...`
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`00:47.27`	`cohonen`	`greg: so , whats the performance of jambi, neer C++ ?`
`00:47.47`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: I still need to know what syntax/format is required by the blocklist plugin...`
`00:47.55`	`greg`	`cohonen: couldn't tell you.. my gui was very simple`
`00:48.06`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: I don't even see that basic information in the forums or faq`
`00:48.19`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: Try to download the list manually and look at the format`
`00:48.39`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: the ip blocking filter isn't developed by the ktorrent developers`
`00:48.53`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: do you have the URL? I think I tried to customize at one point, so now I don't have the default URL`
`00:48.55`	`sandsmark`	`that's why there's not much info about it anywhere`
`00:49.18`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: http://www.bluetack.co.uk/config/splist.zip`
`00:49.47`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: OK, but I really just need a bone, anything, any information on the plugin, how it works, what the syntax is, how I can verify that it even works, etc. :-)`
`00:49.59`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: download that list`
`00:50.02`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: thanks for the URL, I'll work with that to start ...`
`00:50.06`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: look at the syntax`
`00:50.26`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: I have my own custom list, but hopefully I can get the syntax from the zip file as you suggest`
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`00:54.08`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: OK, good, my list is in the same format of the unzipped 'txt' file. Do you know if I have to point ktorrent to a zip file, or can I just point it to the unzipped text file?`
`00:54.49`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: and next step I suppose is to try that 'info' plugin you suggested to see if any IPs are actually being blocked, yes?`
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`00:55.06`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: just try, it should complain if something is wrong`
`00:55.29`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: yes, you will see a message in the info widget when someone is blocked, when/if you've configured the info plugin right`
`00:55.52`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: good, thanks, at last I have something to go on :-)`
`00:56.00`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: I appreciate your responses`
`00:56.08`	`sandsmark`	`;)`
`00:56.32`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: I'll be back in awhile and let you know my results`
`00:56.50`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: I might've fallen aslepp, but;)`
`00:56.57`	`sandsmark`	`*sleep`
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`01:02.01`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: do you use ktorrent with the plugin then?`
`01:02.52`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: the info plugin, yes`
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`01:03.52`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: ahh, OK, I was thinking the other plugin (but no matter)`
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`01:16.49`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: Is the 'logviewer' plug-in worth activating (can it show relevant information that the 'info' plugin doesn't) ?`
`01:18.55`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: maybe`
`01:19.17`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: good (and honest) answer :-)`
`01:19.45`	`sandsmark`	`;)`
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`01:33.09`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: hrm, where does the output for the info widget show up?`
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`01:33.38`	`sandsmark`	`Xenguy: it should be one of the tabs in the bottom of the mainwindow`
`01:33.51`	`sandsmark`	`but now I need to get soem sleep`
`01:33.53`	`sandsmark`	`*some`
`01:33.54`	`sandsmark`	`gnight`
`01:33.57`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: thank you (I'll keep at it)`
`01:34.01`	`Xenguy`	`sandsmark: night`
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`02:20.18`	`rrbiz`	`someone know about read/write on a fat32 partition ?`
`02:20.50`	`morteoh`	`should work fine`
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`02:21.29`	`rrbiz`	`i'm getn errors with partimage for a backup saying i don't have either nuff space or write privilages, i got 8gigs free tho`
`02:21.55`	`rrbiz`	`this is how it is now > drwxrwx--- 12 root plugdev 32768 1969-12-31 17:00 sda4`
`02:22.43`	`morteoh`	`ok, now idea.. never used partimage, maybe ask in #linux or something.. (or #partimage?)`
`02:22.46`	`morteoh`	`now=no`
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`02:23.10`	`rrbiz`	`well partimage is irrelevant perhaps`
`02:24.02`	`rrbiz`	`so no dice in here, k nvm`
`02:24.15`	`morteoh`	`well, if you are root or a user (which is a member of plugdev), you should have enough rights`
`02:24.27`	`morteoh`	`and the drive is mounted rw, ofcourse`
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`02:24.56`	`rrbiz`	`it's from console as root, i'll try a few other things`
`02:26.40`	`rrbiz`	`ahh shoot, user error, i wasn't putn /media first lol my bad`
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`03:43.11`	`tech`	`anyone alive? i like konqueror a lot, but there's one issue i have.. when i "copy link address" it doesn't encode the url, and in some casses that's bad... is there a way to change this or eventually add an alternative option?`
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`04:04.54`	`FreshPrince`	`gn @ all`
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`06:13.10`	`fedora_`	`buenas`
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`06:13.50`	`kronic`	`anyone know of a stock/share market ticker for the desktop?`
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`06:15.01`	`fedora_`	`alguien habla espa;ol?`
`06:15.47`	`hound`	`hello`
`06:15.57`	`fedora_`	`hello`
`06:16.25`	`hound`	`hello somebody plas tell me the best web page designer for linux`
`06:16.31`	`hound`	`i meanlike dreamweaver`
`06:16.33`	`hound`	`..`
`06:16.53`	`fedora_`	`your country?`
`06:16.58`	`hound`	`india`
`06:17.22`	`fedora_`	`Hooo!!!`
`06:17.33`	`fedora_`	`Argentina`
`06:17.44`	`hound`	`yes`
`06:17.49`	`hound`	`k`
`06:17.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`vi`
`06:18.00`	`anisfarhana`	`pico`
`06:18.06`	`hound`	`gedit`
`06:18.14`	`anisfarhana`	`kate`
`06:18.15`	`hound`	`;_`
`06:18.16`	`hound`	`;-)`
`06:18.21`	`hound`	`emacs`
`06:18.27`	`fedora_`	`namaste`
`06:18.27`	`rr72`	`vin`
`06:18.28`	`anisfarhana`	`nano`
`06:18.35`	`rr72`	`*vim`
`06:18.35`	`hound`	`namaste`
`06:18.43`	`hound`	`u know hindi`
`06:18.46`	`hound`	`he he`
`06:18.50`	`hound`	`dats nice`
`06:18.59`	`fedora_`	`wait!!!`
`06:19.31`	`fedora_`	`i know 1 word, anymor`
`06:19.59`	`hound`	`hmmmmm`
`06:20.38`	`hound`	`im new here .......`
`06:20.40`	`fedora_`	`but i like this word`
`06:21.49`	`hound`	`:-)`
`06:21.50`	`hound`	`watz lang in argentina ????`
`06:21.50`	`hound`	`spanish ?`
`06:22.00`	`kasparaitis`	`castellano`
`06:22.32`	`fedora_`	`yes castellano`
`06:22.58`	`kasparaitis`	`im about due for some matte`
`06:23.19`	`hound`	`hello smbody answer my prev question`
`06:23.56`	`hound`	`hello somebody plas tell me the best web page designer for linux`
`06:24.29`	`fedora_`	`???? O ????`
`06:24.34`	`hound`	`ive heard of nvu and kompozer`
`06:24.35`	`hound`	`but havent tried them yet`
`06:24.39`	`hound`	`...`
`06:24.48`	`hound`	`got a better alternative`
`06:24.49`	`hound`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:24.50`	`kasparaitis`	`hound: i don't know what you're looking for specifically, but, you could try bluefish, screem, quanta`
`06:24.58`	`fedora_`	`im new in linux`
`06:25.08`	`hound`	`dats ok fedora`
`06:25.24`	`hound`	`n kaspar which do u prefer ??`
`06:25.32`	`hound`	`among thhem ??`
`06:25.34`	`kasparaitis`	`hound: personally, i like nvu, but then again, i don't use it that often`
`06:26.05`	`hound`	`which is the most preffered one ?`
`06:26.16`	`rr72`	`notepad.exe!!`
`06:26.26`	`hound`	`ha ha`
`06:26.31`	`hound`	`dats a nice joke`
`06:26.37`	`hound`	`;-)`
`06:26.40`	`fedora_`	`jaja!!!`
`06:26.45`	`hound`	`no microsoft please ........`
`06:26.49`	`kasparaitis`	`try installing dreamweaver via wine`
`06:26.55`	`fedora_`	`no no no`
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`06:27.11`	`seraph`	`hi all sorry if this is a little off-topic but I cna't seem to find help on this anywhere :/`
`06:27.14`	`hound`	`but will it work without any problem`
`06:27.15`	`hound`	`???`
`06:27.18`	`seraph`	`how do I burn a video dvd with k3b?`
`06:27.34`	`hound`	`smbody told me dat the program may stuck at times ....`
`06:28.11`	`kasparaitis`	`hound: i haven't installed it before. I'm sure they'll be some kinks you'll need to work out`
`06:28.25`	`hound`	`hmmm`
`06:28.46`	`hound`	`have u used crossover ?`
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`06:28.55`	`kasparaitis`	`yeah`
`06:29.10`	`rr72`	`XO cable`
`06:29.15`	`kasparaitis`	`use it for lotus notes`
`06:29.15`	`rr72`	`?`
`06:29.16`	`hound`	`is it better than wine ?`
`06:29.22`	`kasparaitis`	`crossover uses wine`
`06:29.32`	`hound`	`i c`
`06:29.37`	`fedora_`	`help!!! i need a chanel spanish`
`06:29.44`	`kasparaitis`	`in short, i would think of it as an easy interface to wine`
`06:30.02`	`hound`	`hmmm`
`06:30.15`	`kasparaitis`	`with fixes they've implemented for certain windows apps`
`06:30.21`	`hound`	`k`
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`06:31.00`	`kasparaitis`	`they've got an extensive list of apps that work listed on the website`
`06:31.19`	`hound`	`but it says it works only with dreamwvr mx`
`06:31.25`	`hound`	`cs3 ?`
`06:32.05`	`kasparaitis`	`i wouldn't take that as an end all`
`06:32.20`	`kasparaitis`	`i always try obscure installs they dont' support`
`06:32.27`	`kasparaitis`	`just for the hell of it.`
`06:32.33`	`fedora_`	`help!!! i need a chanel spanish!!! your know?`
`06:32.48`	`hound`	`hmmmmm`
`06:33.26`	`hound`	`then it think i shud try dreamweaver in wine`
`06:33.30`	`hound`	`..`
`06:33.43`	`kasparaitis`	`fedora: #kde-es`
`06:34.13`	`fedora_`	`Gracias!!!`
`06:34.20`	`kasparaitis`	`de nada`
`06:34.32`	`hound`	`kaspar cud u help with one more doubt ?`
`06:34.38`	`kasparaitis`	`sure`
`06:35.04`	`hound`	`ive installed vlc player for playing videos`
`06:35.07`	`hound`	`but`
`06:35.36`	`hound`	`it doesnt work smoothly when in fulscreen`
`06:35.39`	`hound`	`it plays the videos`
`06:35.39`	`hound`	`but`
`06:35.41`	`hound`	`jerks`
`06:35.44`	`hound`	`always`
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`06:36.02`	`kasparaitis`	`have you tried other players?`
`06:36.03`	`hound`	`is it because of my processor or ram ???`
`06:36.12`	`kasparaitis`	`possible`
`06:36.15`	`mikeooo`	`why does knetworkmanager keep writing stuff to /etc/network/interfaces?`
`06:36.18`	`hound`	`no`
`06:36.33`	`mikeooo`	`it adds lines then my wifi doesn't detect any networks, and i have to comment out the lines it adds for it to work again`
`06:36.33`	`kasparaitis`	`how much ram?`
`06:37.02`	`hound`	`ive 512 mb ram on an intel dualcore`
`06:37.17`	`hound`	`i dont think dat is too low`
`06:37.17`	`hound`	`for playing a video`
`06:37.26`	`hound`	`even windows with an 128ram does dat easily`
`06:37.27`	`kasparaitis`	`you've tried it with no other apps running right?`
`06:37.28`	`hound`	`..`
`06:37.41`	`hound`	`ya`
`06:37.43`	`kasparaitis`	`try a different player and see if it does the same thing`
`06:37.54`	`kasparaitis`	`if it does, then you know it's not VLC`
`06:38.06`	`kasparaitis`	`one sec, have to feed dog`
`06:38.27`	`hound`	`k`
`06:38.27`	`hound`	`thanx kaspar`
`06:38.32`	`hound`	`4 the help`
`06:38.50`	`kasparaitis`	`k, back`
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`07:05.11`	`_s_a_t_a_n_`	`Hi everyone. I am going to install KDE, which KDe filesets do I need for minimal stable running KDE instance?`
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`07:10.26`	`_s_a_t_a_n_`	`I mean apart from kdebase whoch filesets do I need for minimal installation?`
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`07:26.58`	`xevious-`	`is it possible to tell KDE that i'd like to only use the middle 1880x1040 of a 1920x1080 screen for panels and applications, but use the full 1920x1080 for fullscreen apps?`
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`08:24.21`	`dor0_`	`hello guys, i am creating a simple test opengl test, but when i try to compile i get error: Gl/gl.h: No such file or directory, but the headers are there, and i've added the usr/include path also in the qmake project`
`08:25.22`	`dor0_`	`wrong channel, sry`
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`08:29.22`	`mikkoc`	`hi, how do i get konversation to save my Freenode password and login automatically with it?`
`08:29.58`	`mikkoc`	`without having to type "/msg nickserv identify password"...`
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`08:49.48`	`kasparaitis`	`mikkoc: you should be able to manage that under identities`
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`08:52.51`	`mikkoc`	`kasparaitis: there's a line "Service" and "Password", is that it?`
`08:53.29`	`kasparaitis`	`yeah`
`08:53.34`	`kasparaitis`	`thats it`
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`09:12.36`	`xevious`	`can i place a panel on the bottom edge, then put another panel just above the bottom-most one?`
`09:12.53`	`adamt`	`try? :-)`
`09:13.00`	`adamt`	`although i think it's possible`
`09:13.29`	`xevious`	`i mean above as in vertically above, not z-order above`
`09:13.59`	`adamt`	`that's what i mean, too.`
`09:16.20`	`xevious`	`oh jeez`
`09:16.30`	`xevious`	`i've got a mystery panel now`
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`09:21.23`	`deathplanter`	`http://deathplanter.no-ip.info/qticons.jpg`
`09:21.27`	`deathplanter`	`what does cause this bug?`
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`09:22.35`	`deathplanter`	`hm, any idea?`
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`09:29.35`	`xevious`	`ugh`
`09:29.43`	`xevious`	`hand coding panel configs`
`09:29.46`	`boom1992`	`#kubuntu`
`09:30.22`	`boom1992`	`adept is _not_ an official kde-program`
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`09:44.08`	`mikkael`	`yup`
`09:44.15`	`mikkael`	`dcop kicker kicker restart`
`09:44.23`	`xevious`	`that's it`
`09:44.34`	`xevious`	`i remembered the repeated kicker`
`09:44.39`	`mikkael`	`;)`
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`09:54.40`	`sarefo`	`hi, i had the problem that when i upgraded debian from etch->lenny, my kde disappeared -> only black screen. i did manage to get it to run temporarily, iirc by running kdm, kdesktop and kicker manually. however, now i'm trying this again and it's not working.`
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`09:55.10`	`sarefo`	`i guess i missed some component i need to start up to get multiple desktops and the ability to manipulate windows.`
`09:55.28`	`sarefo`	`windows have no borders, cannot be moved, only one desktop (instead of 12) and so on. any ideas?`
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`09:55.48`	`adamt`	`sarefo: sounds like kwin`
`09:55.57`	`RipleyEllen`	`Hi`
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`09:56.15`	`adamt`	`sarefo: Sorry, but try asking in #debian , we can't fix debians problems in here, it really seems like the upgrade broke KDE.`
`09:56.22`	`sarefo`	`yay, that was it, thx! :)`
`09:56.31`	`kushal`	`I checked out kdeutils from the svn (3.5 branch). Now what are steps to build it ?`
`09:56.34`	`adamt`	`np, you're welcome`
`09:56.57`	`adamt`	`kushal: and your distribution haven't packaged them for you?`
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`09:57.35`	`kushal`	`adamt, they have, but I am trying to learn kde app development`
`09:57.54`	`kushal`	`adamt, so, for starting , I am looking into easy bugs`
`09:58.32`	`adamt`	`this is one possible way: http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/`
`09:59.23`	`kushal`	`adamt, can you point me to the commands required ... ?`
`09:59.26`	`adamt`	`and if you want to do it the hard way: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started`
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`10:00.02`	`Webbmaster`	`im playing with transparent kicker`
`10:00.17`	`Webbmaster`	`but when i set it transparent, theres still a border visible at its edge`
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`10:00.21`	`Webbmaster`	`how do i get rid of that?`
`10:00.27`	`adamt`	`btw. wouldn't it be more fun to play around with kde4.0, and hack a bit on that instead, kushal? :-)`
`10:01.15`	`kushal`	`adamt, true`
`10:01.37`	`kushal`	`adamt, but I am looking some easy way to start ....`
`10:02.28`	`kushal`	`adamt, I want to fix at least one bug, and then I will try to move to KDE4`
`10:03.06`	`adamt`	`fair enough`
`10:03.16`	`adamt`	`my last link should at least get you started.`
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`10:06.29`	`kushal`	`adamt, I have all devel libraries installed, but don't know how to compile only kdeutils part, there is no configure script`
`10:06.54`	`thiago_home`	`have you run the Makefile.cvs procedure?`
`10:07.04`	`kushal`	`and I am not at all familiar with autoconf or automake`
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`10:07.12`	`kushal`	`thiago_home, how ?`
`10:07.24`	`thiago_home`	`make -f Makefile.cvs`
`10:07.49`	`kushal`	`thiago_home, ok`
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`10:10.14`	`adamt`	`kushal: i'll leave you en thiago_home's very capable hands :-)`
`10:10.28`	`kushal`	`adamt, :)`
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`12:55.27`	`lnxnt`	`hi`
`12:55.35`	`lnxnt`	`how can I switch between keyboard layouts?`
`12:55.43`	`lnxnt`	`I can't find command shortcut`
`12:56.07`	`thiago_home`	`Ctrl+Alt+K`
`12:56.16`	`thiago_home`	`you can change it, though`
`12:56.24`	`lnxnt`	`ah thanks`
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`13:30.21`	`woodefec`	`hi, i installed the kde4 on suse 10.3`
`13:30.27`	`woodefec`	`is there no panel settings"?`
`13:30.33`	`pinotree`	`nope`
`13:30.45`	`woodefec`	`will there be>?`
`13:31.00`	`SSJ_GZ`	`woodefec: yes`
`13:31.09`	`woodefec`	`uh. right :)`
`13:31.14`	`SSJ_GZ`	`woodefec: i.e. "Yes, there will be :)"`
`13:31.48`	`woodefec`	`SSJ_GZ : ok, thankyou. .. how's the progress on them ;) ¿`
`13:32.23`	`SSJ_GZ`	`woodefec: Hehe - not sure. I don't think there are any options exposed in the UI in current SVN`
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`13:42.43`	`woodefec`	`so will i get all the sophisticade setings ins future, or will kde4 get gnomish?`
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`13:45.07`	`SSJ_GZ`	`woodefec: I would expect reasonably sophisticated settings in the future.`
`13:45.11`	`mikkoc`	`how do I autostart apps in KDE4 ?`
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`13:45.21`	`mikkoc`	`i noticed there isn't a ~/.kde/Autostart dir`
`13:45.27`	`pinotree`	`create it`
`13:45.40`	`woodefec`	`SSJ_GZ , thx`
`13:45.45`	`mikkoc`	`pinotree: i did`
`13:45.46`	`SSJ_GZ`	`woodefec: One of the goals of Plasma is to make the creation of new panels, taskbars, menus etc very easy, so even if the defaults are more GNOME-ish than they are now, I would expect someone to write a more advanced set in the future.`
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`13:46.02`	`mikkoc`	`but it doesnt work, is it supposed to?`
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`13:46.15`	`mikkoc`	`i put an executable script in it`
`13:46.48`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mikkoc: I couldn't get Autostart to work in KDE4. Looking through some old docs, it seems that the functionality may have been linked to kdesktop, which no longer exists.`
`13:46.56`	`mikkoc`	`ah`
`13:47.14`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mikkoc: But I could easily be wrong ;)`
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`13:47.31`	`woodefec`	`as for now its not very useful for daily routine, but looks very promiosing, good work, thx`
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`13:47.47`	`woodefec`	`i mean, the suse integration is needed obciously`
`13:47.55`	`woodefec`	`and panel sets :)`
`13:47.58`	`woodefec`	`ok, ggg`
`13:48.02`	`woodefec`	`c u`
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`13:53.17`	`Xinill`	`Hi`
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`14:02.34`	`ErkiDerLoony`	`Hi! Which package do I have to install to make dolphin show a preview for image and video files?`
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`14:05.55`	`SSJ_GZ`	`ErkiDerLoony: Usually, the kdemultimedia packages.`
`14:06.05`	`ErkiDerLoony`	`Ok.`
`14:06.10`	`ErkiDerLoony`	`I shall try that.`
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`14:29.44`	`maki`	`i have installed KDE4, but its not in kdm sessions`
`14:29.50`	`maki`	`how do i add it?`
`14:30.47`	`mikkoc`	`i think you should create a new user, then an .xsession file for that user`
`14:32.30`	`maki`	`mikkoc the to select default session in kdm?`
`14:32.36`	`maki`	`*then`
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`14:58.06`	`BCMM`	`i have a problem with the web shortcuts in konqueror`
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`14:58.20`	`BCMM`	`i would expect unchecking the checkbox next to a shortcut to disable it`
`14:58.43`	`BCMM`	`but as far as i can tell the checkboxes do nothing, and the only way to disable a shortcut is to delete it completely...`
`14:59.44`	`BCMM`	`am i missing something? is there a way to do this?`
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`15:19.48`	`smileaf_`	`ktosia: it'll go through all the windows in your taskbar, so you'd need to setup your taskbar to show all windows from all desktops.`
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`15:21.17`	`Tm_T`	`MetaMorfoziS: :(`
`15:22.04`	`Sho_`	`ktosia: Disregard that, that was incorrect`
`15:22.21`	`Sho_`	`ktosia: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Focus -> Navigation -> [x] Traverse windows on all desktops`
`15:22.51`	`smileaf_`	`Sho_: really? hmmm.. guess I'm still asleep x.x;`
`15:22.51`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`Tm_T > i just only can laugh...`
`15:23.05`	`Tm_T`	`MetaMorfoziS: good :)`
`15:23.17`	`Tm_T`	`MetaMorfoziS: you know, I'm not the one making the rules`
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`15:23.24`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`Ignorance is bliss:)`
`15:23.27`	`Sho_`	`smileaf_: I have the power of caffeine! ;)`
`15:23.40`	`Tm_T`	`MetaMorfoziS: just if I could :(`
`15:23.55`	`Tm_T`	`MetaMorfoziS: anyway, good to see you after a while, you've been hiding`
`15:24.05`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`Tm_T > but you are the one who acts like a droid`
`15:24.12`	`Tm_T`	`true`
`15:24.17`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`Did you knows me from anywhere?`
`15:24.23`	`Tm_T`	`yes`
`15:24.30`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`Where?`
`15:24.35`	`Tm_T`	`we have been in same channels now few years I believe`
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`15:25.15`	`Tm_T`	`MetaMorfoziS: anyway, bit offtopic here, msg me if you like to hear more, good to see you again`
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`15:32.51`	`mikkoc`	`is there anything similar to gtk-qt-engine for kde4?`
`15:32.59`	`mikkoc`	`firefox fonts look really ugly`
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`15:33.24`	`faemir`	`mikkoc: how is KDE RC1?`
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`15:33.41`	`mikkoc`	`it took me a while to get it up running`
`15:33.43`	`mikkoc`	`:)`
`15:33.47`	`faemir`	`apart from that`
`15:33.47`	`mikkoc`	`but i like it`
`15:33.48`	`faemir`	`good?`
`15:33.52`	`mikkoc`	`yea`
`15:33.58`	`faemir`	`I hope you didn't compile it.`
`15:34.03`	`mikkoc`	`ofc i did`
`15:34.05`	`mikkoc`	`lol`
`15:34.08`	`faemir`	`because RC2 is gonna be out very soon XD`
`15:34.17`	`mikkoc`	`i use svn`
`15:34.23`	`faemir`	`well bleh ;P`
`15:34.29`	`faemir`	`what distro?`
`15:34.32`	`mikkoc`	`gentoo`
`15:34.48`	`faemir`	`I need to try that sometime...`
`15:34.51`	`faemir`	`is it good?`
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`15:35.09`	`mikkoc`	`i used to change distro every month..`
`15:35.13`	`mikkoc`	`then i tried gentoo :D`
`15:35.23`	`faemir`	`haha right`
`15:35.25`	`mikkoc`	`im using it since april`
`15:35.31`	`faemir`	`same with me until I found arch`
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`15:35.42`	`nitro4ce`	`hi. i have libflashplayer.so in my plugins dir but konqueror doesn't detect the plugin`
`15:35.45`	`Sho_`	`mikkoc: ditto, except that I've been using it for five years now ;)`
`15:35.52`	`faemir`	`mikkoc: any really really cool KDE4 features you can tell me about? :D`
`15:36.09`	`faemir`	`nitro4ce: does it work in firefox?`
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`15:36.20`	`mikkoc`	`well, my desktop isnt really ready yet`
`15:36.38`	`nitro4ce`	`faemir: sorry i don't know. i don't have firefox`
`15:37.01`	`mikkoc`	`but yeah the menu is cool`
`15:37.02`	`faemir`	`nitro4ce: just wondering, as I could only get nonfree flash plugin to work in it. I got gnash working in konq easy`
`15:37.05`	`Sho_`	`nitro4ce: note that any newer version than 9.0.48.0 is incompatible with Konqueror at the moment`
`15:37.14`	`faemir`	`that would be why.`
`15:37.23`	`mikkoc`	`dolphin is also very nice`
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`15:37.38`	`nitro4ce`	`faemir: i downloaded the tar file from macromedia`
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`15:37.53`	`nitro4ce`	`faemir: i suppose that is nonfree.. still not working`
`15:37.55`	`faemir`	`well get an older version that 9.0.48.0 then`
`15:38.02`	`nitro4ce`	`faemir: ok`
`15:38.02`	`faemir`	`yes that's nonfree`
`15:38.18`	`SchwarzeKrause`	`Hi, all. Can anyone help me with KDEmod on ArchLinux?`
`15:38.25`	`Sho_`	`9.0.48.0 works too ... 9.0.48.0 and older, but not newer than 9.0.48.0`
`15:38.32`	`faemir`	`SchwarzeKrause: probably better to ask in #archlinux`
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`15:38.50`	`boom1992`	`SchwarzeKrause: jepp`
`15:39.02`	`faemir`	`mikkoc: surely the new menu is just kickoff from osuse?`
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`15:39.10`	`SchwarzeKrause`	`faemir: archlinux's community is rarely a best choice)`
`15:39.18`	`Sho_`	`faemir: It's inspired by it, but rewritten from scratch`
`15:39.20`	`faemir`	`Well I always ask there :\|`
`15:39.28`	`faemir`	`Sho_: advantages of that being?`
`15:39.38`	`Sho_`	`faemir: It works with Qt4 and kdelibs/4 ;)`
`15:39.42`	`faemir`	`:D`
`15:39.44`	`Sho_`	`faemir: The old codebase was KDE 3`
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`15:40.43`	`faemir`	`ugh, I really can't be bothered to compile kde4. on my machine it'll take ages :(`
`15:41.37`	`Sho_`	`faemir: It builds faster than KDE3 fwiw`
`15:41.49`	`faemir`	`oh joy :D`
`15:42.21`	`faemir`	`damn it, why does konq have to be dodgy with gmail >_>`
`15:42.28`	`faemir`	`or is it just me? :\|`
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`16:04.28`	`_pem3v78`	`hi, I got no support for .ogg and .mp3 files in kde in openbsd. What could I do about it ?`
`16:04.43`	`_pem3v78`	`xmms works fine with mp3 thou :)`
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`16:05.31`	`_pem3v78`	`using kde 3.5`
`16:05.46`	`_pem3v78`	`when I'm using akodeplay mp3`
`16:05.49`	`_pem3v78`	`it works`
`16:06.04`	`_pem3v78`	`but when artsd is started I see:`
`16:06.19`	`_pem3v78`	`akode: opening /root/Desktop/song42.mp3`
`16:06.20`	`_pem3v78`	`couldn't load file /root/Desktop/song42.mp3`
`16:06.47`	`_pem3v78`	`working on root because I thouht it was a permission problem`
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`16:11.13`	`chronos`	`someone know package name for languages (I want pt_BR for entire KDE) in Gentoo???`
`16:12.51`	`thiago_home`	`chronos: #gentoo-kde`
`16:13.02`	`chronos`	`entering`
`16:13.07`	`chronos`	`thiago_home: is new channel?`
`16:13.22`	`thiago_home`	`I don't know how long it's been there`
`16:13.26`	`thiago_home`	`I've never been there`
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`16:13.32`	`chronos`	`thiago_home: ok, thx :]`
`16:13.34`	`tbscope`	`it's not new`
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`16:25.59`	`ryanakca`	`hmm... will there be a K4B or KIVB?`
`16:27.23`	`dwinslow`	`ryanakca: the 3b stands for 'burn baby burn'`
`16:27.24`	`exAtuu`	`:D`
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`16:37.16`	`Anonycat`	`If I'm trying to compile kmplayer on F8 and get error messages such as "kmplayerprocess.cpp:2501: error: 'dbus_message_unref' was not declared in this scope", is that a sign that a certain package is needed (dbus-devel is already installed)?`
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`16:42.05`	`Anarky`	`Anonycat: I don't know`
`16:42.23`	`Anarky`	`what I do know however is that it's the wrong channel to ask`
`16:42.52`	`Anarky`	`trry either your distribution's channel, or mplayer's or dbus'es`
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`16:46.38`	`pinotree`	`distro channel would be the best one`
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`16:49.28`	`roxy`	`How can i repare .kde ?`
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`16:49.51`	`roxy`	`some files have been deleted and I can't log into it anymore.`
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`16:50.16`	`roxy`	`complaining about a dcopserver already running and the not running.`
`16:51.00`	`Blissex`	`roxy: leave '.kde' alone. kill all 'dcop' processes and remove all '~/.DCOP*' sockets.`
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`16:51.29`	`roxy`	`Blissex: ok, thanks`
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`16:53.04`	`JBravo-is`	`where is the correct place to ask i18n questions? ;)`
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`16:53.36`	`pinotree`	`"don't ask to ask, just ask"`
`16:53.39`	`thiago_home`	`what kind of questions?`
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`16:54.33`	`JBravo-is`	`well.. I'm considering to reactivate the Icelandic team (was just the three of us) and I dont have any CVS (yeah, we kinda stopped before the SVN migration) info ;)`
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`16:55.41`	`pinotree`	`did you check the existing information about it? http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=is`
`16:56.14`	`JBravo-is`	`Yeah. I cant reach the other two. Arnar seems to have moved to Norway`
`16:56.57`	`pinotree`	`the mailing list and the website are dead or no more updated as well?`
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`16:57.38`	`JBravo-is`	`Last message on our mailinglist was almost 2 years ago :)`
`16:57.47`	`pinotree`	`oh...`
`16:58.08`	`ryanakca`	`dwinslow: oh! I thought it stood for something like KDE3Burner or something of the sort, thanks :)`
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`16:59.07`	`_pem3v78`	`do I need to install an extra package to make arts play mp3 and ogg files in openbsd, kde 3.5 ?`
`16:59.22`	`pinotree`	`JBravo-is: recently, on the kde international translation ml, there were messages of an icelandic translator`
`16:59.34`	`pinotree`	`Sveinn í Felli`
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`16:59.55`	`pinotree`	`are you that guy?`
`17:00.01`	`pinotree`	`(or gall, i don't know)`
`17:00.08`	`JBravo-is`	`nope`
`17:00.13`	`JBravo-is`	`Im still on that list tho`
`17:00.34`	`pinotree`	`oh, than i suggest you to contact that guy, he seems active`
`17:00.40`	`JBravo-is`	`so somebody is working on icelandic ?`
`17:00.57`	`pinotree`	`seems so`
`17:01.19`	`mark__`	`I have a question about GRUB, is there anyone that may be able to help?`
`17:01.29`	`JBravo-is`	`stats for kde3 is remarkably good compared to years of neglect`
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`17:02.51`	`pinotree`	`JBravo-is: (did you receive my message?)`
`17:02.58`	`JBravo-is`	`Yes, and replied ?`
`17:03.10`	`JBravo-is`	`ah`
`17:03.11`	`JBravo-is`	`--- #KDE :[freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg`
`17:03.17`	`pinotree`	`mom`
`17:03.24`	`JBravo-is`	`my bad :)`
`17:03.50`	`JBravo-is`	`I think I have a SVN account. is there any way to verify that ?`
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`17:04.32`	`pinotree`	`your name?`
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`17:04.42`	`JBravo-is`	`Richard Allen (ra@ra.is)`
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`17:04.49`	`JBravo-is`	`you'll find me all over the .is files`
`17:05.04`	`pinotree`	`ra Richard Allen ra@ra.is`
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`17:05.10`	`JBravo-is`	`ahh thats me :)`
`17:05.21`	`JBravo-is`	`Any chance to send passwords to that email address?`
`17:05.36`	`pinotree`	`you have to talk with sysadmin, sysadmin@kde.org`
`17:05.51`	`JBravo-is`	`ok. thats what I needed :)`
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`17:06.18`	`pinotree`	`remember to contact that guy, so you don't conflict in the translation work ;)`
`17:06.22`	`JBravo-is`	`they will hopefully reset my password so I can fiddle with this while Im bored out of my scull at moms place over the hollidays :)`
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`17:06.57`	`roxy_`	`removing .DCOP* file and rebooting wasn't enough. I think some file in .kde got deleted and I can't login anymore.`
`17:06.59`	`JBravo-is`	`pinotree: Thanks for your help :)`
`17:07.09`	`pinotree`	`no problem!`
`17:08.10`	`thiago_home`	`sysadmins cannot recover lost passwords`
`17:08.15`	`thiago_home`	`you have to send a new one to them`
`17:08.21`	`pinotree`	`but he can send them a new one`
`17:08.55`	`JBravo-is`	`ok. I should include a new one then :)`
`17:10.15`	`pinotree`	`JBravo-is: some useful reading: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account and http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/First_Steps_with_your_KDE_SVN_Account`
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`17:10.44`	`JBravo-is`	`:)`
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`17:11.34`	`sarefo_home`	`hi, is there some kind of minimal clock display program? eg something like the nice clock in the taskbar? i have a dual monitor setup, and want to have a clock visible regardless of which monitor i use.`
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`17:13.19`	`sam_`	`guys any one knows how to start compiz in kde?`
`17:13.33`	`thiago_home`	`sarefo_home: the clock applet`
`17:13.35`	`sam_`	`i have installed sabayon (4.2gb) just now`
`17:13.41`	`thiago_home`	`sarefo_home: #compiz or #sabayon`
`17:13.58`	`sam_`	`i have installed sabayon 3.4 f (4.2gb)`
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`17:14.02`	`sam_`	`and i want to use compiz`
`17:14.30`	`thiago_home`	`I understand that, but #kde is the wrong channel to ask`
`17:14.38`	`sam_`	`oh`
`17:14.39`	`thiago_home`	`go into one of the two channels I suggested and ask there`
`17:14.41`	`sam_`	`what can i ask here?`
`17:14.48`	`thiago_home`	`you can ask KDE questions here`
`17:16.00`	`sam_`	`i am using kde`
`17:16.10`	`sam_`	`and i wanted to start compiz in kde`
`17:16.12`	`aleksanteri`	`sam_, compiz is not a part of kde`
`17:16.16`	`sam_`	`oh ok`
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`17:17.29`	`sarefo_home`	`thiago_home: how do i get my hands on the clock applet?`
`17:17.38`	`sarefo_home`	`ie, how do i start it?`
`17:18.15`	`thiago_home`	`right-click the panel and select "Add applet to panel"`
`17:18.43`	`JBravo-is`	`hmm... svn+ssh Still have all my opriginal ssh keys`
`17:18.51`	`sarefo_home`	`thiago_home: but the point is that i want to use a clock independently of the panel.`
`17:18.58`	`JBravo-is`	`prehaps thats why I cant remember my svn password... I used ssh ?`
`17:19.03`	`sarefo_home`	`or maybe there's a way to start a second panel on the second desktop?`
`17:19.16`	`thiago_home`	`there's a way to start a second panel`
`17:19.27`	`thiago_home`	`one clock on each panel`
`17:19.31`	`thiago_home`	`3 panels`
`17:20.21`	`sarefo_home`	`hm, i found a 'screen -> all xinerama screens' option, but it just extends the one panel over two desktops...`
`17:20.49`	`thiago_home`	`move it to screen two`
`17:21.22`	`sarefo_home`	`then there's no panel on no1`
`17:21.31`	`thiago_home`	`add a new panel`
`17:21.34`	`thiago_home`	`one on each screen`
`17:21.39`	`sarefo_home`	`how? :)`
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`17:22.03`	`thiago_home`	`if I can find it, so can you`
`17:22.07`	`sarefo_home`	`ah ok found the option :)`
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`17:24.46`	`sarefo_home`	`hmmm. now i have a second panel, but the configure panel dialog only works for the first one (even if i start it by right clicking on the second one)`
`17:24.52`	`sarefo_home`	`but we're getting there :)`
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`18:00.44`	`pawelteam`	`hi`
`18:00.51`	`sourcemaker`	`I have a problem with amarok. Seeking large sound tracks does not work... Any suggestions?`
`18:01.05`	`sourcemaker`	`With juk... there is the same problem`
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`18:02.12`	`Ozoned`	`morning all. I have a problem where the browser is unable to make an HTTP post, any ideas?`
`18:04.00`	`sourcemaker`	`Ozoned: which browser... firefox or konqueror?`
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`18:04.07`	`vdv`	`hi all`
`18:04.19`	`vdv`	`is there a channel for openoffice?`
`18:04.25`	`Ozoned`	`FYI Konqueror error "broken connection" Firefox "Bad request" elinks just timeout`
`18:04.25`	`sourcemaker`	`#openoffice`
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`18:05.03`	`sourcemaker`	`Ozoned: have you tried firefox? Maybe there is a problem on the site?`
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`18:05.34`	`Ozoned`	`http GET works, but for ex I cannot post a message to kubuntuforums, I have tried from windows to same sites and it works`
`18:06.02`	`Ozoned`	`Also I can make a post to a site on my localhost, eg simple machine forum`
`18:06.40`	`sourcemaker`	`Ozoned: have you a proxy or firewall configured?`
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`18:07.34`	`Ozoned`	`There is no firewall on system, there is a firewall on the dlink router, I am not using a proxy (my ISP) maybe, not sure`
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`18:11.16`	`shevy`	`to konqueror, one can add servicemenus/servlets, is something similar possible to the kde menu?`
`18:12.47`	`sourcemaker`	`shevy: there is a kmenu editior`
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`18:13.40`	`shevy`	`that allows you to add servicemenus to the menu?`
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`18:16.28`	`sourcemaker`	`shevy: yes`
`18:16.40`	`shevy`	`cool, thanks`
`18:16.41`	`sourcemaker`	`shevy: I think... it is just a url`
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`18:42.06`	`MrGrim`	`does anyone have a tentative idea when a rc2 might be ready?`
`18:42.24`	`thiago_home`	`take a look at the release schedule`
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`18:50.18`	`troy`	`morning folks :)`
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`18:55.09`	`rrbx`	`morn'n troy`
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`18:57.59`	`pedepy`	`im not troy`
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`19:08.33`	`pedepy`	`are they retiring the dragon for kde4 or will it still be hiding around stuff ?`
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`19:15.53`	`troy`	`pedepy: I think it's not in many dialogs anymore, but there's been no decision to 'retire' him :)`
`19:16.09`	`troy`	`he's still in the about KDE dialog`
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`19:16.43`	`troy`	`and at the release party, there is a couple that is coming dressed as Konqi and Katie :P which will be cool :)`
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`19:18.45`	`maek`	`in konqueror when ever I try to delete a folder with something in it says "creating folders is not supported with protocol trash" any ideas?`
`19:18.47`	`pedepy`	`.. okay :P..`
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`19:18.58`	`pedepy`	`i thought he was being phased out, so to speak`
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`19:19.22`	`troy`	`maek: something is wrong with your trash kio handler - you can SHIFT-DEL to delete without sending to trash if you need to...`
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`19:20.07`	`maek`	`troy: thanks. is it possible to fix the problem?`
`19:20.19`	`FiNeX`	`hi!`
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`19:22.06`	`troy`	`maek: probably there is some misconfiguration in your kio trash stuff, but I don't know what or where the cause is, especially since it could be different on every distro - the first thing I'd check is the permissions on your Trash folder through (which is usually in ~/.kde/Trash I think)`
`19:22.14`	`pedepy`	`is there any way to have certain kernel message (like pluggin of devices for instance) pop up somewhere?`
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`19:23.45`	`maek`	`troy: thanks.`
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`19:25.24`	`troy`	`pedepy: you could do something like periodically grep the output of dmesg... there's probably a more elegant way though :)`
`19:25.55`	`pedepy`	`i guess i could try my hand at writing a kicker applet`
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`19:26.42`	`troy`	`pedepy: of course, with KDE 4 and Solid, this problem should go away shortly, after a fashion...`
`19:26.49`	`utmp`	`pedepy: there was an app on kde-apps.org that did that, but haven't used it for about a year`
`19:27.29`	`pedepy`	`troy: provided kde4 comes up with a working panel`
`19:27.30`	`pedepy`	`:P`
`19:27.47`	`troy`	`pedepy: I'm using it right now - and it's working...`
`19:28.01`	`pedepy`	`well i dunno i havent had much luck with it`
`19:28.11`	`pedepy`	`at least it doesnt feel as 'smooth' as the actual (3.5) one`
`19:28.22`	`pedepy`	`it feels like a mock up`
`19:28.45`	`troy`	`pedepy: well, it's not a 1-for-1 feature replacement yet, but it works and does its job...`
`19:29.05`	`pedepy`	`i thought i would be able to drag plasmoids in it`
`19:29.51`	`pedepy`	`maybe i ought to give it a shot using an actually installation with my real video drivers ..`
`19:29.57`	`pedepy`	`and not the suse live cd version`
`19:30.11`	`pedepy`	`how can I make SURE it wouldnt touch my kde 3.5 though ?`
`19:30.26`	`pedepy`	`like id want it to exist in its own confined universe`
`19:30.45`	`pedepy`	`i got my stuff set up just like i like em ..`
`19:30.57`	`troy`	`pedepy: I do exactly that from within a different user... when I set my install prefixes, I make sure that all the KDE 4 stuff ends up within that users own home folder...`
`19:30.59`	`pedepy`	`i dont feel like going through reinstalling everything if my system breaks`
`19:31.13`	`troy`	`pedepy: and I make sure not to install as root or sudo to ensure that it cannot write outside of that folder...`
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`19:31.36`	`pedepy`	`my distro installs kde to /opt/kde`
`19:31.45`	`troy`	`pedepy: shouldn't matter`
`19:31.57`	`pedepy`	`so youre saying if I would point kde4 to say, /home/kde4 as user 'kde4', ? ..`
`19:32.03`	`pedepy`	`i mean is that what youre syaing ?`
`19:32.30`	`troy`	`pedepy: I made a user named kde4 that lives in /home/kde4 -- when I set my install prefix, I set it to /home/kde4`
`19:32.39`	`pedepy`	`guess what im asking is are there nothing else of kde 3.5 lying around outside of my 'opt/kde' and ~/.kde ?`
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`19:33.00`	`pedepy`	`how do you go about starting it then ?`
`19:33.19`	`troy`	`pedepy: well, I wouldn't run kde4 as your main user if you want to avoid interferences... just because some of the config files will conflict - run it as the second user...`
`19:34.08`	`troy`	`pedepy: instructions for sources are at: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Anonymous_SVN`
`19:34.38`	`troy`	`pedepy: rather wordy build instructions are here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4`
`19:35.21`	`pedepy`	`i know there are 'scripts' to build binary packages for my distro`
`19:35.26`	`pedepy`	`im just gonna use those`
`19:35.35`	`troy`	`pedepy: you could also use kdesvn-build.kde.org`
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`19:36.08`	`troy`	`pedepy: which is a generic build script that handles checkouts, building, etc. within a user folder :)`
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`19:37.53`	`fasta`	`Did anyone ever test the kmail functionality of compressing?`
`19:37.54`	`adamt`	`isn't okular doing it wrong when viewing facing pages? the first page should be rendered to the right, not to the left.`
`19:38.58`	`adamt`	`ah, okular got an option to fix it, great.`
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`19:39.48`	`troy`	`adamt: well, it's right or wrong depending on if you start your page numbering on the right or left I guess :)`
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`19:40.02`	`troy`	`adamt: I doubt there's an ISO standard for page numbering :P`
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`19:42.13`	`adamt`	`page-numbering in books and the like, always starts at the right page in countries where LTR is used, which would be most western countries.`
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`20:00.37`	`maek`	`how do I make firefox the default web browser so amarok and things open firefox instead of konqueror? thanks.`
`20:01.04`	`utmp`	`why would you want to do that maek? :)`
`20:01.25`	`illogic-al`	`maek for amarok you can change it in the settings`
`20:01.26`	`maek`	`utmp: because I have lots of firefox plugins I need`
`20:01.39`	`utmp`	`only joking maek :)`
`20:01.42`	`illogic-al`	`maek: for global kde, in kcontrol`
`20:01.56`	`maek`	`illogic-al: thanks. so there isnt a way to change the system wide browser?`
`20:02.28`	`maek`	`utmp: ah, wasnt quite sure, I know some people wont use it if its no K*`
`20:02.36`	`utmp`	`lol`
`20:02.40`	`illogic-al`	`maek: yyeah, that is in kcontrol. don't remember exactly where and I don't have kcontorl installed`
`20:02.40`	`utmp`	`yes very true`
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`20:10.38`	`ThePuppetMaster`	`hello @all`
`20:10.50`	`ThePuppetMaster`	`anyboady know a netmeeting like tool for KDE?`
`20:13.52`	`Komzzpa`	`ThePuppetMaster, kopete?`
`20:14.39`	`ThePuppetMaster`	`aha .. and kopete can handel the netmeeting protocoll?`
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`20:21.08`	`DrZimmerman`	`hi all`
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`20:21.26`	`DrZimmerman`	`anyone knows why https (ssl) connections in konqueror break so often?`
`20:21.33`	`DrZimmerman`	`it's since ~2 month`
`20:22.23`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: what distro, KDE version...`
`20:22.57`	`ThePuppetMaster`	`thx`
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`20:23.25`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: gentoo, kde 3.5.7`
`20:23.49`	`faemir`	`Can anyone recommend me some good kioslaves?`
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`20:24.34`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: it will be something wrong with your gentoo config - since https works just fine for me in that KDE version... ask in #gentoo`
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`20:25.42`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: i already tried it there several times in the past 2 month and never got any ideas where to search for the problem`
`20:26.48`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: either there was a problem with your KDE configuration when you last emerged (wrong use flags or something), or it didn't pick up the system SSL libs, and therefor built without it...`
`20:26.53`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: that's my best bet anyway`
`20:27.00`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: btw. my gentoo config should be just fine, configs up-to-date, no exotic compiler flags (only -O2), etc.`
`20:27.29`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: i've rebuilt all those things several times with different use flags`
`20:27.43`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: but really, gentoo is a support nightmare for us in KDE, since everyone has more-or-less a unique system, on account of the use flags...`
`20:28.00`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: yeah, that's the idea of gentoo :)`
`20:28.08`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: we do know that https works just fine in KDE 3.5.7 if build normally, so it's got to be something gentoo that's fubarred...`
`20:28.19`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: ok`
`20:28.57`	`troy`	`DrZimmerman: on the upside, whenever you have to fix something on gentoo, you learn a little more about the software :)`
`20:29.13`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: that's true :)`
`20:29.50`	`DrZimmerman`	`troy: my biggest gentoo nightmare was an alpha (as in cpu) system that didn't got updated for like 2 years :)`
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`20:35.51`	`delroth`	`hello, I have a problem with Konqueror : it can't load the cookie daemon. How can I fix this ?`
`20:38.48`	`delroth`	`ok, kded wasn't started... -_-`
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`21:07.20`	`\|HellTiger\|`	`hi all, can i set global hotkeys to the ktimer play pause buttons?`
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`21:07.49`	`MrGrim`	`holy crap sabayon's website is ad central :/`
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`21:13.31`	`shevy`	`someone has to pay the bills`
`21:13.33`	`shevy`	`(and the p0rn!)`
`21:13.36`	`tuxick`	`who's sabayon?`
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`21:13.43`	`aleksanteri`	`tuxick, it's a distro`
`21:14.00`	`tuxick`	`never heard of`
`21:14.14`	`aleksanteri`	`http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sabayon`
`21:14.46`	`rushfan`	`yuck`
`21:14.47`	`rushfan`	`sabayon`
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`21:17.23`	`IAW5075`	`hi`
`21:17.53`	`maki`	`is there any working irc client for kde4?`
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`21:19.39`	`rrbx`	`anyone tried the kde installer - version 0.8.4 ?`
`21:21.07`	`maki`	`kde installer?`
`21:21.25`	`rrbx`	`yep this one > http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/Installation#Download_needed_packages`
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`21:22.05`	`rrbx`	`anyway i'm getting stuck on the mirror section, i'm not getting the next button avail to continue`
`21:22.20`	`pinotree`	`#kde-windows`
`21:22.29`	`rrbx`	`cool`
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`21:23.10`	`rrbx`	`small group there tho :(`
`21:23.46`	`maki`	`rbx its not stable to run kde apps on windows`
`21:24.11`	`maki`	`rrbx`
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`21:24.37`	`rrbx`	`it's no biggie tho, i mainly just want to use a few of my fav kde apps while i have to live with being on XP`
`21:24.42`	`scrash08`	`In kmail, where do I set the default attachment forwarding to be "inline"? The option is there, but the default currently is "as attachment". Googl'ing I find scads of arguments back and forth, but haven't found the answer yet ...`
`21:26.09`	`maki`	`rrbx: well you need to wait a while :)`
`21:26.25`	`maki`	`KDE4 isn't stable on linux yet ...`
`21:27.08`	`rrbx`	`i know, some claim with rc1 it's not that bad`
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`21:45.21`	`Ace2016`	`Hi all`
`21:46.12`	`Ace2016`	`where is the about:blank file (i think its about:blank) which konqueror 3.5.8 opens by default when i open a new tab, i wish to change the background colour`
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`21:46.48`	`Ace2016`	`and the close tab button on the tab bar, anyone know a way to hide/remove that?`
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`21:48.05`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: I don't remember what that file name is called. You'll have to search in the source code.`
`21:48.14`	`thiago_home`	`or search the existing HTML files that are installed with Konqueror.`
`21:48.14`	`Ace2016`	`what does view > index.html do?`
`21:48.30`	`Ace2016`	`thats a great idea`
`21:48.36`	`maki`	`Ace2016: the color is from kde's coor scheme i think`
`21:48.38`	`thiago_home`	`if you go to a dir with an index.html file, it loads that file`
`21:49.10`	`Ace2016`	`oh so it turns a directory into a web page just like that?`
`21:49.18`	`thiago_home`	`yes`
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`21:52.28`	`resaca`	`hi all`
`21:52.43`	`resaca`	`someone know if there is a specifical channel for ARTSD?`
`21:53.16`	`thiago_home`	`no`
`21:53.21`	`thiago_home`	`there's nowhere for artsd`
`21:53.27`	`thiago_home`	`it's been unmaintained for 4 years now`
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`21:53.30`	`Ace2016`	`so anyone know about hiding the close tab on button on the tab bar?`
`21:53.32`	`resaca`	`ouch`
`21:53.51`	`resaca`	`somone expert with it to ask a question?`
`21:55.25`	`thiago_home`	`no experts either`
`21:55.28`	`Ace2016`	`arts hasn't been maintained for 4 years? is this just artsd or the whole of arts? i use it all the time with juk, guess the guy who did the work all that time ago really did a good job`
`21:55.47`	`thiago_home`	`the only person who knew it stopped working on it or being active in KDE mailing lists 4 years ago`
`21:56.08`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: that only means it's got easy bugfixes in. No one works in maintaining it.`
`21:56.16`	`resaca`	`wow... yes in news section from arts site last new is dated 2004`
`21:56.50`	`Ace2016`	`its getting replaced by phenom right?`
`21:56.54`	`maki`	`yes`
`21:56.55`	`thiago_home`	`phonon`
`21:57.01`	`resaca`	`thiago_home, i'll try to shot my question anyway :)`
`21:57.35`	`thiago_home`	`resaca: you should have done that 5 minutes ago`
`21:57.35`	`thiago_home`	`:-)`
`21:57.35`	`maki`	`phonon is also easier for coding`
`21:57.35`	`thiago_home`	`"don't ask to ask, just ask"`
`21:57.36`	`maki`	`less lines of code`
`21:57.36`	`Ace2016`	`how do i wipe the alt+f2 history? i need to get rid of some apps that i used a lot but are no longer used`
`21:57.44`	`resaca`	`:) eheh you are right... i alwyas delay a lot when joinig a new channel`
`21:57.51`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: the security/privacy module in kcontrol`
`21:58.05`	`resaca`	`1 laptop 2 soundboard (microphone is detected as usb)`
`21:58.22`	`Ace2016`	`i need to remove about 5 entries from it, not everything i really like my history, it makes things easy to get to`
`21:58.31`	`resaca`	`i can use the mic with alsa (skype for example work fine selecting one dev for input and another for output)`
`21:58.35`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: you can remove all entries`
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`21:58.55`	`resaca`	`any chance to get it working with arts? (krec k_anythingaudio) ?`
`21:58.55`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: or you can find the file where the history is stored and remove the entries manually (with kdesktop not running)`
`21:59.12`	`thiago_home`	`resaca: using the ALSA output?`
`21:59.22`	`resaca`	`yes`
`21:59.29`	`sourcemaker`	`which format should I use to store contacts in kadressbook.... file or directory`
`21:59.40`	`thiago_home`	`resaca: do other ALSA applications work like you want?`
`22:00.01`	`resaca`	`yes... i mean only the apps that permit you select one dev for input and anotherone for output`
`22:00.19`	`thiago_home`	`then configure aRts the same way`
`22:00.28`	`thiago_home`	`how did you configure aplay and arec?`
`22:00.33`	`thiago_home`	`arecord`
`22:00.43`	`resaca`	`can arts be configured with 2 sound dev?`
`22:00.55`	`thiago_home`	`resaca: yes, but one at a time. You have to manually switch.`
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`22:01.29`	`resaca`	`ok thank i guess it was what i need to know`
`22:01.35`	`resaca`	`thanks a lot thiago`
`22:01.49`	`thiago_home`	`you're welcome`
`22:01.54`	`resaca`	`:)`
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`22:02.06`	`Ace2016`	`could you make it switch with dcop calls?`
`22:02.13`	`thiago_home`	`no`
`22:02.18`	`thiago_home`	`you have to restart it`
`22:02.25`	`thiago_home`	`aRts doesn't use DCOP`
`22:02.27`	`thiago_home`	`it uses MCOP`
`22:02.40`	`Ace2016`	`oh did dcop replace mcop?`
`22:02.41`	`Q-collective`	`how long does it take to compile kde4, compared to kde3?`
`22:02.45`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: no`
`22:02.54`	`thiago_home`	`Q-collective: 63%`
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`22:03.17`	`Ace2016`	`wait is that a random answer or does it say that anywhere`
`22:03.18`	`Q-collective`	`thiago_home: lol, pretty precise figure`
`22:03.22`	`Q-collective`	`thx :)`
`22:03.31`	`Ace2016`	`they didn't remove things did they?`
`22:03.33`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: 78% of statistics are made up`
`22:03.39`	`thiago_home`	`yes, things were removed`
`22:03.39`	`Ace2016`	`like there will be a juk in kde4`
`22:03.43`	`thiago_home`	`but other things were added`
`22:03.46`	`thiago_home`	`juk is still there`
`22:04.22`	`thiago_home`	`in truth, what I can tell you is that the KDE 4 build is much faster compared to KDE 3 because we ditched libtool`
`22:04.42`	`thiago_home`	`but since the codebases are no so different, we cannot directly compare anymore`
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`22:05.31`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, I guess libtool was a serious bottleneck`
`22:05.56`	`thiago_home`	`it was`
`22:06.17`	`thiago_home`	`linking a single library spent 10% in ld and 90% in /bin/sh`
`22:06.24`	`sourcemaker`	`somebody using kaddressbook?`
`22:06.37`	`thiago_home`	`by ditching libtool, we removed the /bin/sh part of the equation and we reduced the number of libraries`
`22:06.47`	`Q-collective`	`nice`
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`22:06.57`	`Ace2016`	`Hi all`
`22:07.00`	`Ace2016`	`i'm back`
`22:07.20`	`Ace2016`	`xorg crashed, hardware issues with laptop, long offtopic story, better avoided`
`22:07.21`	`scrash08`	`noone on kmail?`
`22:07.28`	`Ace2016`	`i use gmail + borwser`
`22:07.29`	`thiago_home`	`scrash08: I'm on kmail`
`22:07.32`	`martoss`	`hi all, can i open "konsole" with a command with params instead of a single scriptname?`
`22:07.37`	`Q-collective`	`but if it really takes only 60% of the build time of kde3, I guess kde4 will now finally compile faster than openoffice xD`
`22:07.47`	`martoss`	`e.g.: konsole -e "ls -la" --noclose`
`22:07.50`	`Ace2016`	`i'd hate to use kmail here and have to use something else when i'm on another computer`
`22:08.22`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: hi. do you know how/where to change the default "forward mail as" setting? namely change it FROM "as attachment" TI "inline"?`
`22:08.45`	`sourcemaker`	`should I use the "file" or "directory" format to store my contacts in kontact?`
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`22:09.15`	`thiago_home`	`scrash08: not possible without changing the source code`
`22:09.17`	`Ace2016`	`martoss: did you just answer your own question?`
`22:09.26`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: that doesn't work`
`22:09.33`	`thiago_home`	`Ace2016: it tries to find a program named "ls -la"`
`22:09.51`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: honestly? a source code change to change that? seems rather silly 2 me ...`
`22:10.07`	`scrash08`	`not to have an options, that is ...`
`22:10.34`	`thiago_home`	`scrash08: to kmail`
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`22:10.51`	`thiago_home`	`if you want to change the default, change it in the source code`
`22:10.58`	`martoss`	`hmm, ok so there's no option i guess, only one would be to write a script before and feed that to konsole?`
`22:11.00`	`thiago_home`	`there is no config option for that, AFAIK`
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`22:11.20`	`thiago_home`	`martoss: I don't know if there's an option. A script is an easy way out.`
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`22:11.31`	`thiago_home`	`martoss: but without reading the source code, I can't know for sure.`
`22:11.43`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: sure, possible. not exactly a "user friendly" solution to roll out to a couple hundred users ...`
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`22:11.55`	`martoss`	`hmm ok.`
`22:12.11`	`martoss`	`thx :-) I'll find a way around it.`
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`22:12.15`	`Ace2016`	`martoss: konsole --noclose -e opera --help << works fine`
`22:12.58`	`maki`	`with phonon & solid i can listen two different audio files on different output?`
`22:13.04`	`Ace2016`	`strange, that does not allow the command i run to drop back to the command line`
`22:13.07`	`thiago_home`	`scrash08: you cannot seriously expect that developers foresaw every single different personal preference and coded in configurations for them, right?`
`22:13.18`	`thiago_home`	`maki: yes`
`22:13.23`	`maki`	`cool :)`
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`22:14.09`	`martoss`	`argh! the "" are too much...`
`22:14.13`	`martoss`	`thx guys`
`22:14.31`	`Ace2016`	`wait`
`22:14.32`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: actually, they consciously changed it ... it USED to be default of "inline".`
`22:14.32`	`scrash08`	`as for "foresaw" ... it's not like forwarding is some esoteric option that nobody ever uses. so yes, i'd think that someone would note the fact that a non insignificant fraction of users want to forward messages inline ...`
`22:15.00`	`maki`	`when i run kde4 skype gives me error with audio playback`
`22:15.02`	`Ace2016`	`martoss: does the app return back to the bla@bla:~$`
`22:15.08`	`maki`	`is this phonon related?`
`22:15.41`	`thiago_home`	`scrash08: as far as I remember, forward forwards attached`
`22:15.49`	`Ace2016`	`is that how its supposed to work?`
`22:15.57`	`martoss`	`Ace2016, you mean if it finishes?`
`22:16.08`	`thiago_home`	`maki: no. Skype doesn't use Phonon.`
`22:16.13`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: yes. currently. not previously.`
`22:16.14`	`Ace2016`	`yea if it finishes why does it not put up a command line again`
`22:16.30`	`thiago_home`	`scrash08: I've been using KMail for years. I don't remember it ever being different.`
`22:17.00`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: evolution has an option. thunderbird has an option. apple mail has an option. mulberrymail has an option. just not kmail ...`
`22:17.06`	`maki`	`thiago_home: i know, but maybe its can't connect to alsa because of phonon?`
`22:17.15`	`Ace2016`	`oh right its -e, its execute command instead of shell, if it was a shell then i'd get the bla@bla:~$`
`22:17.15`	`martoss`	`Ace2016, that's fine. I was just "abusing" konsole to display/integrate input output from an other program in a python program.`
`22:17.18`	`thiago_home`	`maki: no, it's not`
`22:17.44`	`Ace2016`	`why not something like xterm?`
`22:17.47`	`scrash08`	`thiago_home: an example ... http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=106681158621939&w=2`
`22:18.17`	`martoss`	`and without the "" it's working great, as thiago_home mentioned, it's searching inside for a command...`
`22:18.21`	`martoss`	`... console is nicer ;-)`
`22:18.59`	`maki`	`thiago_home: and phonon can saparate audio stream automaticly or the app needs to be patched?`
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`23:08.19`	`vkentucky`	`I am using KDE 3.5.8 and my KDE Apps respond painfully slow. Pretty much unusable. I thought it was my graphics driver, but GNOME environment works great. When KDE Apps are run in gnome even they are slow. Any suggestions?`
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`23:21.49`	`vkentucky`	`Anyone else here having trouble with 3.5.8?`
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`23:22.53`	`brad__`	`what kind of trouble?`
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`23:24.46`	`aleksanteri`	`brad__, [01:05:54] <vkentucky> I am using KDE 3.5.8 and my KDE Apps respond painfully slow. Pretty much unusable. I thought it was my graphics driver, but GNOME environment works great. When KDE Apps are run in gnome even they are slow. Any suggestions?`
`23:24.56`	`aleksanteri`	`(and yes it's getting late here :) )`
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`23:33.12`	`litb`	`lol, isn't this funny?`
`23:33.19`	`litb`	`http://blogs.gnome.org/iain/2007/09/24/my-voyage-of-discovery/`
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`23:35.23`	`brad__`	`aleksanteri, not sure on that one...`
`23:35.36`	`aleksanteri`	`it wasn't my question`
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