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00:30.06AlexhezlonJoin Resende
00:31.01pinotreeAlexhezlon: hm, no
00:32.22claudiahello, I can't see my Spanish characters
00:32.27claudiaI've set the language
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00:32.33claudiabut no way
00:32.39claudiastrange... Inside firefox text areas, no problem
00:32.56claudiabut KDE refuses to accept non-English chars
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00:37.17arlehello?
00:37.23arleany non-English native here?
00:37.27arleI need help on characters
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00:39.38Worfarle: yep... how bad does my english need to be?
00:40.21arleWorf: he hehehe...
00:40.33arleI meant about the KDE non-English chars :P
00:40.58arleI can get them properly shown on KDE, but @ Firefox
00:43.24Worfuh, i guess i'm the wrong to ask - the chars i need are either ansi or available as html tag
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00:45.27Worfbut if in kde things work but not in firefox, why do you ask in #kde and not in ... what is the channel ... #mozilla maybe?
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01:12.26milosphey.... I just extracted some rar files and the video file I get is just 12 mb.... files togather are around 700mb!!
01:12.35milospis this file of 12 mb using still those rar or how does it work???
01:15.16milospany ideas???
01:15.20thePunishermilosp: so you've got multiple smaller rar files which combined should become the 700MB file?
01:15.28milospyes
01:16.23milosphmmm... this is strange
01:16.25thePunishermilosp: are the numbered?
01:16.47milospthe folder that the files are in and the extracted file says 1.4 gb
01:16.56milospbut the file itself says 12 mb
01:17.10thePunishermilosp: do they have numbers?
01:17.20milospif u mean by numbered part1, part2 yes??
01:17.33milospthey are from rapidshare (the ususal ones in rar)
01:17.50thePunishermilosp: try to unpack the latest part first
01:18.29Jucatousually you just unrar the one with .rar extension
01:18.38Jucato(the rest should be .001, .002, etc)
01:19.39milospreally???? no .rar????
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01:20.11thePunishermilosp: then you should try to start with the part with highest number
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01:20.25dasKreechsonic: http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/the-ultimate-final-fantasy-fan-parody-225357.php
01:20.29milospI am doing this right now
01:20.35thePunisherok
01:20.42milospsame result
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01:20.48thePunisherhmm
01:20.52milospI mean the file is working fine
01:21.13milospit must be some kind of bug because the folder where everything is
01:21.23milosprecognizes the right size
01:21.32milospbut on file it still says 12 mb
01:22.13thePunisherwell it should unpack all off them in one successive run, normally
01:23.04milospI mean it does that
01:23.28milospcause the file is working fine..... it is infact 700 (it has to be) but it
01:23.44milospdoesn't recognize it as that much
01:23.54milospy - I have no clue
01:24.02thePunisherbut it does show 700MB's
01:24.13thePunisherthe unpacked file that is
01:25.04thePunisheror still 12
01:25.16thePunisher?
01:25.23milospok, I did refresh and now it is 700 :):):)
01:25.31thePunisherlol
01:25.33milospbut I was closing and opening the window
01:25.43milospshouldn't it
01:25.50milosprefresh it than....
01:25.56milospanyway sorry......
01:26.00milosp:):):):)
01:26.12thePunishernp
01:27.27thePunisherenjoy the movie :)
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02:09.51sjovanhi, every one. i just installed KDE and wanted to try it out. One thing i don't like so far is all the BS aps that get installed by default
02:10.00sjovanso now i want to clean it up abit
02:10.07sjovanlike when i want to remove Ark
02:10.15sjovanit tels me to go to synaptic
02:10.23sjovancause more packs uses it
02:10.26Jucatowhat will you use for handling archives?
02:11.06Jucatoand the default apps installed with KDE depend largely on how your distribution does it. some distros install only a select number of KDE apps by default. not everything
02:11.36sjovanJucato: well i got gzip installed and stuff
02:12.03JucatoArk is just a GUI frontend to those. it doesn't replace or duplicate them
02:12.21JucatoArk uses gzip to handle .gz, bzip to handle .bz2, etc
02:12.42sjovanbingo. and i don't need a GUI
02:12.52sjovani use the terminal for all installing
02:13.11Jucatothen uninstall it
02:14.17sjovanbut the weird thing is that when i tryed to completly remove ark in synaptic it says that: "The chosen action also affects other packages. The changes are requierd in order to proceed. To be removed: kde and kdeutils
02:14.37Jucatothose are just metapackage. Debian?
02:15.03sjovanno, festy
02:15.10sjovanjust trying out kde
02:15.22Jucatoyou should have just installed kubuntu-desktop then
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02:15.42sjovanhehe
02:15.46sjovani installed kde :)
02:15.54sjovanbut is that a problem?
02:16.08Jucatothat's why. it installs *all* kde modules. so you get a lot of apps
02:16.09sjovancan't i jsut apt-get autoremove gnome --purge if i like kde?
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02:16.26Jucatoum nope. but that would be a discussion for #kubuntu
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02:16.40Jucatoanyway, kde and kdeutils are just metapackages. they don't really matter much
02:17.16sjovankk
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02:17.40sjovanthink i have to go to kubuntu and ask some questions
02:17.42sjovanthanks for the help
02:21.36dasKreechhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
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02:24.36sjovandaskreech: thanks for the link
02:24.40sjovanbut what in my case
02:24.42sjovani installed kde
02:24.47sjovannot just kde-desktop?
02:24.54sjovandoes it make any difference?
02:24.56dasKreechkubuntu-desktop
02:25.08dasKreech<PROTECTED>
02:25.13Jucatosame thing. it will just remove the gnome/ubuntu packages. and leave any kde/kubuntu ones
02:25.30dasKreechThough you will probably be installing gimp and firefox again :(
02:26.01sjovanthe only reason i use fire fox is a plugin called stumbel something
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02:26.06sjovanopera ftw :D
02:26.08dasKreechStumbleupon
02:26.10dasKreech<PROTECTED>
02:26.12sjovanyea
02:26.16dasKreechdamn extension
02:26.20dasKreechI'm on it now
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02:26.31sjovangood fun when you got nothing to do
02:26.33dasKreechThough forecastfox isn't bad
02:26.51sjovanand that is?
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02:27.17dasKreechNothing much
02:27.29dasKreechJust warns me if there is a hurricane outside my door
02:27.36sjovanhehe
02:27.41dasKreechWhich right now it says there will be in two days
02:27.47dasKreech<PROTECTED>
02:28.09dasKreechWhich is just a buch of rain so I laugh in the face of 60 MPH winds
02:29.17sjovani remember some realy bad winters up north when i was a kid
02:29.53sjovanpeople was laying on their backs changeing the lightbulbs for the street lights and roofs getting ripped off and stuff :)
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02:31.41dasKreechYeah
02:31.53dasKreech<PROTECTED>
02:32.18dasKreechIt even has nice little icons and a live satellite pic
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02:32.32sjovannice
02:33.09BigDaddyevening anyone. Got a questn about KDM. Is there a way to display user status? That way my wife w't have 5 sessions at once?
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02:33.25dasKreechHmm good question
02:33.29dasKreech<PROTECTED>
02:33.43BigDaddyhey dasKreech
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02:33.58BigDaddyhows your evening going?
02:34.16dasKreechSuck-e
02:34.26dasKreechWhich is different from eSuck(c)
02:34.32BigDaddyI just oticed today that GDM shows users logged in or not. Th way they can only log in once. I thought itwuld be a nice option
02:34.39dasKreechsimilar but legally distinct
02:35.10BigDaddyWhats going wrong on your end?
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02:36.04dasKreechCar died, I got stabbed in the back and there are no cashews
02:36.21dasKreech<PROTECTED>
02:36.46BigDaddyI seriously hope you mean you got stabbed metaphorically
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02:37.35dasKreechthats a good hope isn't it
02:37.40aseigono cashews?
02:37.42aseigomercy.
02:38.04sjovanhmmmm
02:38.04sjovanhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42645/
02:38.43BigDaddyanalplugg eh?
02:39.02sjovanBigDaddy: yes, a friend of mine installed when i was playin PS2
02:39.07sjovanyou get used to it :)
02:39.51BigDaddythat will teach you to have fun whlst someone ks
02:40.04BigDaddyks=works
02:40.20sjovanmhm :)
02:42.10sjovanso why didn't it work=
02:42.11sjovan?
02:42.27sjovanbecause i installed kde pack instead of kubuntu-desktop or?
02:42.32sjovani don't get it...
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02:46.41sjovannah, i'm leaving tomorrow. maby i should just wait until i'm back in town. it's okay to have a working computer when you are away :)
02:46.48sjovanbut thanks for all the info
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02:47.26BigDaddysjovan: you could move our /home to a new partition and then install kubuntu
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02:50.20BigDaddyHmm, I seriously think that it cannot be done
02:50.49BigDaddyI have googled my butt off. I see nothing about user status
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02:59.44dasKreechaseigo: Oh the humanity!
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03:19.58YippMNdoes anyone have an idea why kmplayer mite not be able to connect to  this url, http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx
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03:33.52FreshPrincegn @ all
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03:42.07YippMNanyone have an idea why kmplayer wouldn't connect to a url/
03:42.51dasKreechYou can't see nasa?
03:44.24YippMNdasKreech,  nope
03:45.10YippMNdasKreech,  running gentoo , an dkde ive allways been able to watch nasa i kmplayer but had to do some rebuilding of packages and now it won't
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03:49.45driniI have a quickie for konqueror + css
03:50.09driniI can't get konqueror to display http://matmor.unam.mx/~drini/  properly (it won't use the linked css) although it displays fine in all other webbrowsers
03:50.15driniis there an option I should be aware of?
03:50.37driniit's konqueror 3.5.7
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04:46.50Jucatotroy_: thanks for the report. just reading it now
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05:20.34hellhoundfor some reason my kde autostart directory does not seem to work... i have two bash scripts in there and it will not run either one of them.  I have also tried to use links but to no avail
05:21.16Jucatoare the bash scripts executable? (chmod +x)
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05:58.54sabayonlive-3029Gnome rules
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06:04.48texnofobixbind is confusing
06:04.49texnofobix:\
06:04.54texnofobixi think i'm finally getting it
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06:09.51hellhounddoes anyone know where the file kdesktop.desktop is?
06:10.38Jucato/usr/share/autostart/
06:10.51Jucato(if you had told me it was a .desktop file earlier...)
06:11.26hellhoundJucato: opps i thought i did :)
06:12.47hellhoundJucato: ok brb let me try that out
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06:16.21hellhoundJucato: heheh it worked... do you know if bashscripts execute in line order?
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06:17.07Jucatowhat do you mean by line order?
06:18.25hellhoundJucato: in other words if i have a single bash script in my Autostart folder with the programs i need to auto start, does it do it in order... that way i can make the last line kill kdesktop.desktop and still take advantage of autostarts
06:19.16Jucatoyeah, it's sequential. although I'm still not sure if killing kdesktop is a wise thing to do. is that really the only way you can do that compiz-fusion thingy?
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06:20.13hellhoundJucato: yes it is... the Autostart was the only thing that seems to have been affect... that and I do not have desk icons... but i like a clean desktop
06:21.34qupadai'm sure there is a better way to disable desktop icons
06:22.35hellhoundqupada: no i am disabling the kdesktop inorder to have multiple wallpapers for each compiz cube side.  the lack of desktop icons is just a plus for me
06:25.17qupadaok, well that you maybe can't do, kde does support a different wallpaper per kde virtual desktop, but compiz doesn't exactly play nice
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08:10.19Vasisthahi all. I'm having some issues with kmail. I'd really like to get rid of this uber-bright template that rapes my eyes in the dark: http://david9.freepgs.com/i/kmail_annoying_template.png
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08:16.01Vasisthaugh, kmail ... so close but yet so far ... I have jumped through SO MANY hoops to try to configure my system properly in order to deal with kmail's many shortcomings; and each time I do so, another shortcoming appears that cripples me and makes the whole effort worthless. Damn.
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08:36.06tapasis there a way to have my usb disks mounted automtically on login?
08:36.13tapasall those that are attached already?
08:36.39tapasjuct checking "mount automatically" in the context menu of the disk in media:/ doesn't help at all
08:37.23tapasi guess that only triggers the automatic popup dialog
08:37.29tapas[so it's kind badly named]
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08:38.39tapasand it would be cool if the popup dialog would offer to mount the device but not show it in a new window
08:38.43tapasthis is kind of annoying
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08:44.14gsuvegI use xmp-rpc (egw) addressbook wiht kontact, and if i add a contact, it save and after restart i dont see my addresbook entry in kontact.
08:44.31gsuvegsomeone have idea to fix this ?
08:44.45gsuvegi need only a cetral addressbook
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08:56.42Captain_RedbeardWhat's the kde development channel?
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09:09.04shwouchkguys, please help! I accidentally replaced one of the kdm config files when I upgraded to 3.5.7 and now letters in kdm and in kde are huge
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09:10.46chenyucan you just change another KDM?
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09:11.30shwouchkchenyu: what do you mean?
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09:12.09chenyuI don't know how to explain
09:12.22chenyusorry
09:12.28basantais there a way to disconnect a ssh-logged on user ?
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09:15.30shwouchkanyone?
09:16.19shwouchkbtw I meant 3.5.8
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09:21.04kexmanhello
09:21.12kexmancan anyone help me fix my sound in kde ?
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09:23.36kexmanhow can i make icons smaller in kde ? im very new to it !
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09:25.35Ace2016Hi all
09:25.43Ace2016whats the shortcut that hides the menubar?
09:25.48JucatoCtrl+M ?
09:25.57chenyugo to setting->theme->type setting
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09:26.14Jucato??
09:26.22chenyusorry icon setting
09:26.34Ace2016yea its ctrl+m
09:26.55Ace2016but in konsole ctrl+m it just goes to the next line
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09:27.26Captain_Redbeardkexman, is your sounds not working in KDE or not working at all?
09:27.27Ace2016ctrl+m works in konversation
09:28.13JucatoAce2016: Konsole has some special setup/shortcuts so as not to conflict with bash. in Konsole it should be in teh Settings menu
09:29.27Sho_(Specifically, the menubar toggle shortcut is unset by default in Konsole)
09:29.39shwouchkplease help?
09:29.47Ace2016oh no, i hid it and i don't know the shortcut to get it back :(
09:30.16Sho_Ace2016: Right-click the terminal; first action in the context menu
09:30.18Ace2016the new konsole window is ok, but i'm afraid if i close the konsole with a hidden menu bar it'll save the changes to the ui on exit
09:30.23Jucatobah he types faster...
09:30.24Jucato:(
09:30.56Ace2016oh lol, didn't think of that, thanks
09:31.11Sho_Jucato: With less fingers! That's efficiency :P
09:31.20Jucatoeating?
09:31.36Sho_No, I'm just not a ten-finger typist and assume you are ;)
09:31.58Jucatowell you have the advantage of reading the question.. I was looking at other tabs :)
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09:35.36kexmanCaptain_Redbeard: well i didnt tryed it outside , but kde doesnt sees my card at all
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09:35.43kexmanit was working before i deinstalled gnome
09:35.57kexmanand alsamixer shows me the mixer and i can mix :)
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09:36.00kemik_#lendava
09:36.40Captain_Redbeardkexman,  And you have checked that it's not muted in kmix or something else stupid? :)
09:36.56shwouchkIwonder|too: I upgraded to kdm 3.5.8 and with dispatch-conf accidentally replaced one of the kdm config files.. now all fonts in kdm and kde are huge
09:37.08qupadahey kexman.  fancy seeing you here
09:37.33Sho_shwouchk: Sounds like you had a -dpi argument on your ServerArgsLocal line in kdmrc
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09:39.32shwouchkSho_: like I had it but not anymore?
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09:41.06Sho_shwouchk: yup
09:42.10Sho_shwouchk: Going from a manually defined dpi (via a command line argument to the X server executable defined in kdmrc, KDMs primary config file) to the server calculating it by itself could/would have an effect on font sizes in the KDE session, anyway
09:43.18shwouchkSho_: I see
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09:45.06shwouchkSho_: youre right!
09:45.29Jucatohe is always (most of the time)
09:46.21Tm_T:(
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10:01.43tsbWhen I click on a folder in kmail (imap) I get only the message, not the list as well.. where did you change this again?
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11:10.14Tolsty_KotHello! Who knows in which file I can change a standard path to the directory /media? Now I have all mounted under /home/Oleksandr/media. I want to change this path for buttons "System Menu", wich is near K-menu buttons, left-down on the detskop. (I want to press button "Media" in System menu, and go to /home/Oleksandr/media).
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11:15.19Captain_RedbeardAny news regarding KDE 4 RC1/Beta 4? Shouldn't it be released today?
11:15.29bjwebberm
11:15.33bjwebbshould it?
11:15.40bjwebband i just built from source
11:16.14Tolsty_KotFrends...
11:16.22Captain_Redbeardhttp://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule#30_October_2007:_Release_KDE_Development_Platform_4.0_RC_1_and_KDE_Desktop_4.0_Beta_4
11:16.27Captain_Redbeardapparently it should :P
11:16.41Tolsty_KotWho knows in which file I can change a standard path to the directory /media? Now I have all mounted under /home/Oleksandr/media. I want to change this path for buttons "System Menu", wich is near K-menu buttons, left-down on the detskop. (I want to press button "Media" in System menu, and go to /home/Oleksandr/media).
11:17.54Captain_Redbeardthing is though... that the plasma team has failed terribly at every deadline so far and haven't made the progress they were expected to, hence the desktop beta 4 and platform RC1... So I'm not surprised they will miss this one as well
11:19.42kexmanqupada: hello, yeah i just installed kde on my laptop :) and im testing it :)
11:20.01kexmanCaptain_Redbeard: well i didnt had time yet to test my new kde
11:20.19kexmanbut many say its better then gnome ... hmmm well i'll tell you when im done learning it :)
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11:25.17Tolsty_Kotanybody, can you help me?
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12:24.27BrakkvatnHi. Can i ask a konqueror question in here?
12:24.39Jucatosure
12:24.44Jucato(hope I can answer :D)
12:24.53BrakkvatnWill konqueror ever have XML+XSLT support?
12:25.31Jucatohm.. xml I think it already does... not even sure what xslt does... but I guess the developers at #khtml would know
12:25.45Jucato(KHTML, btw, is the rendering engine that's used in Konqueror)
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12:26.15GentleJucato: it's an xml which only abstracts data, and a ruleset how data should look like. The difference is that the "templating" is entirely done client-side
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12:26.51Gentlethink of css that can generate complex html blocks
12:26.52Brakkvatnokay. I'll take a look at #khtml Jucato. Thanks ;)
12:27.15JucatoGentle: hm.. interesting...
12:27.44Jucatobah! too many things to learn... I have to forego this one for now :)
12:27.46BrakkvatnIt seems like it will be supported in Patternist, which will sometime be included in QT. Is this correct?
12:28.16Jucatoyou'll have to ask in #qt (and it's Qt, not QT. QT is QuickTime)
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12:28.58GentleJucato: btw, I keep wondering, is the phonation "cutie" or "cute"
12:29.03Jucatocute
12:29.12Brakkvatnaha
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12:35.44whirmhi all!
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12:41.16simmerz|workdoes kate have a filesystem view that I can see in tree mode?
12:42.01Jucatonot tree mode. but it does have a Filesystem Browser sidbar
12:42.05Jucatosidebar*
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12:45.54simmerz|workJucato: I know, but it would be nice to not have to keep going up and down the directory structure in the project I'm working on
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12:54.54stdinsimmerz|work: that's what kdevelop is for I guess
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13:23.11Yuyuroh,sorry  _human_blip_
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13:24.57simmerz|workstdin: kdevelop is a bit overkill for a puppet configuration project
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13:30.50Oleg_Hi, everyone! If I wanna use the liveCD to try out kde 4.0 beta 3, the best option for me would be to download opensuse livecd?
13:31.10Jucatothat's the only option :)
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13:31.22Jucatothere are no other live cds for KDE 4 beta 3
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13:32.27Oleg_ok, cool, thanks...
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13:43.50simmerz|workstdin: even kdevelop doesn't implement tree views
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13:44.48stdinwell, it has a "File Tree" :p
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13:48.28simmerz|workstdin: I see "File List" and "File Selector"
13:49.02stdinwhat version? I have KDevelop: 3.5.0
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13:50.35simmerz|work3.4.1. kde 3.5.7
13:50.59simmerz|workyou using 3.5.8?
13:51.03stdinyeah
13:51.13simmerz|workkubuntu?
13:51.18stdinyep :)
13:51.24kollahm, I have my laptop at home and want to share its display so I can reach it from here...
13:51.44simmerz|workthought so. I'm running gentoo. it's available, but its keyword masked at the moment. I'm not migrating until it goes stable
13:51.59simmerz|workmy workstation - so rather it was stable than brand new
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13:52.25simmerz|workgood to know it's been added. does kate have "File Tree" too then?
13:52.37simmerz|workgiven that they're both using parts
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13:53.02stdinwell, I've been running gutsy here for a few months and 3.5.8 for a couple weeks. I'm not one for "stable" ;)
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13:54.17simmerz|workno, I was one for unstable before too. used to run debian sid, and then gentoo "testing". both broke on me and I decided against it. gentoo stable isn't that far behind releases anyway as it's a rolling release
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13:54.57simmerz|workout of interest, does gutsy implement aiglx extensions and compiz for kde as well?
13:55.04simmerz|workor just in ubuntu/gnome?
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13:55.43stdinif the driver supports aiglx then it'll be on, but compiz is only default on ubuntu/gnome
13:55.52stdin(it doesn't play well with kde)
13:55.57simmerz|workno i noticed
13:56.04simmerz|workkicker bar goes white
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13:56.24simmerz|workI tried with the new ati drivers
13:56.29simmerz|workon my home machine
13:57.41stdinkde4's kwin composite is really nice tho, and is really all I want in the way of "effects". works great on my laptop (intel 945 gpu)
13:58.15simmerz|workit's also extensible in the same way as compiz, isn't it?
13:58.27simmerz|workI quite like the draw on screen features of compiz - great for presentations
13:58.33stdinyeah, you can develop/install plugins for it
13:58.46kollaI want to remote control kcmkrfb - how ironic
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14:00.08simmerz|workdefinitely looking forward to kde4, though I might wait until things have been sorted out in kde 4.1 - that's due next year right?
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14:01.41stdinyeah, we're guessing the initial kde 4.0 release in decemer sometime, so 4.1 will definitely be 2008
14:01.51stdin*december
14:02.43stdinand I have to wait until 2008/10 until I get it by default in kubuntu
14:03.39Jucatostdin: unless you use the live cd's that are being planned...
14:03.41Jucato:P
14:03.52Jucatooh well.... still a loooong way to go :)
14:04.17stdinJucato: bah, I'll install the packages or just compile it :)
14:04.48Jucatoheh
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14:08.01YippMNanyone have an idea why mplayer , or accually kmplayer won't connect to this url, http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx, i did have it working just fine untill i had to do an expat rebuild , mite be somthing to do with some wierd java stuff :)
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14:11.43quentin_is it possible to use icalx.com with kontakt?
14:12.01quentin_well, with korganiser
14:12.33simmerz|workstdin: small version releases are gonna happen much faster to begin with for 4.x then, where 3.5 has been around for some years now
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14:16.07thePunisherquentin_: I found this http://rafb.net/p/DUzET825.html on some forum
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14:25.07mrbig4545hi everybody
14:25.09mrbig4545hows it goin?
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14:47.46apfelwhen entering >"< kile replaces it with >``<.  is there a way to prevent this?
14:53.46apfelnm, I got it
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15:08.31GuyFromHellSo aparently the fellows at gtk have this ctrl-shift-uxxxx command to input unicode characters and windows has that whole alt-#### thing... any similar way for kde?
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15:16.09quentin_thePunisher, thanks, it works fine
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15:16.39thePunisherquentin_: glade I could help
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15:28.03GionnyBossafter logging into GNOME and Fluxbox, my KDE menu on Fedora 7 is screwed up... all the application position changed, it was a lot better and well categorized before. Does an executable or something exists to restore the default KDE menu?
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15:28.39GionnyBossI I asked this long time ago here and someone told me something that worked, but I don't remember
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15:33.00GionnyBossoh, another thing...
15:33.02GionnyBossI'm using KDE and I noticed that if I start /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon I get better decorations for buttons and dialogs in GTK applications. But this executable, automatically runs gnome-screensaver too, and I would like to avoid it. Is there a way to load the gnome look and feel without loading the screensaver, please?
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15:36.46metalfanis there a kde command to shut down kde?
15:37.53Desintegryeah
15:38.02Desintegrdcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 0
15:39.13Desintegrwill shutdown your computer
15:39.23metalfandcop help doesnt show that possibility?
15:39.42Desintegrit's an undocumented feature :)
15:40.02metalfanlooks akward
15:40.36Jucatometalfan: "dcop" will show you a list of running apps, "dcop ksmserver" will show you a list of ksmserver objects, "dcop ksmsserver ksmserver" will show you a list of commands for the ksmserver object of the ksmserver app
15:40.44Jucatoit's not awkward. that's the way dcop works
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15:42.06metalfanah, thx
15:43.27metalfanit probably makes much more sense if you see the code and know how kde works internal
15:44.01Jucatonot really. dcop was made as a way for programs/users to communicate with other programs without having to learn the code
15:44.17Jucatoall you need to know are the right commands to trigger what you want
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15:56.28EspadaV8hey, is it possible to switch users using kdm (and not kde)
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16:24.56spawn57wonder if katapult is in kde 4
16:25.03Jucatonope
16:25.45spawn57really
16:25.46spawn57that blows
16:25.50spawn57it looks cool
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16:26.52spawn57oh
16:27.05spawn57i haven't doen any c++ programming yet
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16:58.48offlinehackerhow can i retrive the source of a web page in knoqueror through dcop
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17:05.29Oleg_I booted a livecd with beta 2 of kde4, but it kinda freezed, so I don't know if I am gonna get the same thing if I boot beta 3
17:05.49Oleg_I am confused
17:07.24Oleg_Anyone booted the cd downloaded from this location: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ ?
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17:14.45angasulehello, I just tried kmail with gmail's imap
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17:15.25angasuleit appears to be terribly broken, I wouldn't advise others to try it just yet
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17:16.47annmakmail from kde4?
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17:17.52salyHello ... I do not know, If someone has asked this question, but I will, is KDE4 beta 4 out?
17:18.29annmanot yet, very soon
17:18.36angasuleannma: nope, using kubuntu gutsy here
17:18.39salyIt will be today?
17:18.49annmapackagers are packaging it
17:18.54annmanot sure when
17:18.58angasuleI don't think it matters much, it's probably google's fault, as usual
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18:01.07ThomasIlHi, can anybody tellme whats the name of the little gui application to explore dcop commands
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18:01.24fredThomasIl: kdcop
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18:01.40ThomasIlfred: thanks, omg I'm to stupid
18:01.45ThomasIlsorry i could have guessed that
18:01.50rudesshello, can someone help me'
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18:02.05MinceRdoes kde currently support drag-and-drop saving?
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18:03.28rudesshelp me to setup sound please
18:03.40PhilRodrudess: ask in #yourdistro
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18:04.02rudesssabayonlinux 3.4 standard release
18:04.03PhilRodMinceR: dragging what from where to where? (I expect the answer will be "try it")
18:04.11PhilRodrudess: then ask in #sabayon
18:04.13Q-collective#sabayon I guess
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18:05.38MinceRPhilRod: i don't know. i'm asking because perhaps i should drag something i haven't tried.
18:06.02MinceRPhilRod: the http://www.newplanetsoftware.com/xds/supporters.html page leads me to believe that there's some possibility that it might work. :)
18:06.09GKSVLA LA SOIREE DE OUF
18:06.15GKSj'en ai chié dans mon froc
18:06.16MinceRGKS: fgsfds
18:06.43GKSeh
18:06.54PhilRodGKS: #kde-fr for french
18:07.08GKSnon mais parles pour toi !
18:07.25PhilRodhrm, although my schoolboy french tells me that's not a kde question
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18:07.40Vasisthain kmail, I'd like to get rid of this thing, or at least change it: http://david9.freepgs.com/i/kmail_annoying_template.png
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18:08.25PhilRodMinceR: ooh, I see that the person who wrote that page is a ***** (insert favourite insult there)
18:08.35MinceR:D
18:09.07MinceRalso, the freedesktop guys mentioned drag-and-drop saving on http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Draganddropwarts
18:09.22MinceRwhich led me to believe that at least it's in progress :)
18:09.53GKSnégocie
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18:09.55GKSreste pas là
18:09.56PhilRodVasistha: afaik you can't get rid of it. We could probably find where that template is installed and over(write|ride) it. I'm guessing you just want a version that fits your theme
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18:10.51VasisthaPhilRod: yeah, that's the first step. The second step would be dealing with the bug that makes it not go away, even when clicking on a local pop folder. But I'm not counting on getting that one... I've been looking around for the template, but haven't had any luck yet. Any clues?
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18:11.49PhilRodVasistha: well, for a workaround, I usually close kontact, kill all kio_imap4 processes, and then restart. Obviously that's not a real solution, but...
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18:12.04PhilRodanyway, let's see if we can find the template
18:12.14rudessthankyou but in sabayon no one answer to me
18:12.18VasisthaPhilRod: heh. I love kmail, but ... it's so buggy
18:12.37PhilRod(I'm in a pedagogical mood, so I'm going to tell you *how* to find it, not the answer :-)
18:13.11VasisthaPhilRod: I've been searching around /usr/ for xml files ... there are a lot of them, and I'm not sure what to grep for
18:13.12PhilRodyeah, the problems with imap are a pity - they sort of cancel out the other great features of kmail for a lot of people
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18:13.54Vasisthado you suppose imap support will ever be done properly, say, in the next two years?
18:14.03PhilRodok, KDE directory hierarchy: apps store their data in $KDEDIR/share/apps/<appname> , where $KDEDIR is `kde-config --prefix`
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18:14.47PhilRodthere are big changes coming in KDE 4 wrt how messages are stored and accessed in kmail (the akonadi framework which you've probably heard of)
18:15.15PhilRodI'm not sure to what extent that will help improve imap support. I expect it will, but maybe only indirectly
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18:15.56PhilRod(ie, if you've got a cleaner framework to access messages, then the code to do imap <-> messages becomes easier/cleaner, so it's likely to have fewer bugs
18:16.07PhilRodanyway, back to the original problem
18:16.28PhilRodso, the first place I'd look is $KDEDIR/share/apps/kmail
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18:18.03Vasisthadoesn't look too promising thus far; .rc files, icons, tips.....
18:18.16Vasisthaof course these rc files are probably worth investigating
18:18.34PhilRodpics/ and about/ look primising
18:18.37PhilRodpromising
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18:23.51Vasisthayeah, I looked through all the pics... trying to figure out what's going on in this about/main.html, although it doesn't feel promising
18:24.42Vasisthahoo, otoh, it does look good... that's the image
18:25.08PhilRodI *think* it's the one: if I alter the kmail.css file, the changes are reflected when I click on "Local Folders" (needs a kmail restart)
18:27.37PhilRodah, sadly you can't override it with a similar file in $KDEHOME
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18:32.00Vasisthaooh, ouch. I was just going to ask about that $KDEHOME thing.
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18:33.51PhilRodwell, try it. I may have got it wrong. In fact, I did
18:34.45PhilRodI only copied kmail.css to the KDEHOME location - you'll need the main.html there too (since the lookup of kmail.css is done by khtml, rather than the standard path lookup)
18:36.03Vasisthaah. And I see kcontrol also uses kde_infopage.css ... that's a little easier to stop and restart!
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18:37.54Vasisthanow the question I have to ask myself is whether I should spend very much time customizing this theme when kmail's imap treatment is so broken :P
18:41.29gkiagiahow can I tell kde to mount usb sticks with different permissions? is there a configuration file for that?
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18:45.00PhilRodgkiagia: my guess is that you'd have to do that via the backend (hal?), but I'm afraid I don't really know much about how that works
18:46.08gkiagiaPhilRod: I have looked at the hal configuration and it seems that hal only sets the filesystem type and the allowed mount options but it doesn't set the options
18:46.24gkiagiaI don't know either, this is only a guess
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19:02.40tct_hi I am running mepis. I want to know how to have the system boot to the desktop rather than asking me to enter a password
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19:04.41stdintct_: try #mepis
19:05.12tct_the active person on #mepis does not know
19:05.27tct_they said its specific to kde thats why i am here though
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19:10.42KalElif i run kde applications in gnome desktop will there be a performence loss?
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19:11.57Desintegrit will take longer to launch
19:13.15thePunishertct_: http://rafb.net/p/2yDRSn40.html
19:13.48tct_ok thanks
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19:22.49GNAMkde4 beta 4 out?
19:23.45PhilRodyou'll see an announcement on www.kde.org when it is
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19:26.18GNAMhttp://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta4.php
19:26.27GNAMit's a beta announcement? :P
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19:27.28PhobosHi. what does kdebindings actually do ?
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19:28.55kristjan_what's best tool to upload files to ftp?
19:29.06Phoboskonqueror
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19:33.23kristjan_Phobos: why so?
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19:34.41Phoboskristjan_: personal favorite
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19:35.10angasuleyou could try dolphin, I guess
19:35.10tct_how do I have a program start as soon as my computer boots?
19:35.25angasuletct_: ~/.kde/Autostart
19:35.34tct_when I get to the desktop and KDE is loaded
19:35.36tct_ok cool
19:35.47angasuleprograms in that directory are run on startup
19:35.49kristjan_tct_: depends on the program - you have to load desktop before
19:36.18kristjan_that is - as soon as you press "power on" button
19:36.22angasuleanything works fine with ftp these days, though I prefer fish
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19:37.59Vasisthakristjan_: I like curlftpfs, myself. But I'm a heavy CLI user
19:39.18kristjan_angasule: is fish kde application?
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19:40.00angasulekristjan_: fish is a sort of protocol,
19:40.34angasulekristjan_: if the remote computer is running an SSH daemon, you can use fish://remotecomputer in stead of ftp://remotecomputer
19:41.20angasulefish uses SSH to access the files, it's slower than ftp, but since ssh is easier to set up and I always have it running on my computers, I use fish much more than ftp
19:43.29kristjan_this is typed into konqueror like, e.g. "man://hier" ?
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19:45.04MinceRyes
19:45.08MinceRand sftp:// works too
19:45.46kristjan_oh wait - I type "man:hier" -  "man://hier" actually does not take me to the man page
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20:15.41Pickle_Weaseli have a bit of a question, i've just installed KDE on fedora 7, and i'm still unfamiliar with it. In gnome, each desktop got its own taskbar, in KDE this does not seem to be the case
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20:15.51Pickle_Weaselis that configurable or am i stuck this way?
20:16.25PhilRodit's configurable (of course :-)
20:16.27angasulePickle_Weasel: yes, you can configure it that way
20:16.40angasulePickle_Weasel: everything in KDE is configurable
20:16.41Pickle_Weaselwhere would i find the settings?
20:16.43PhilRodcontrol center -> desktop -> taskbar -> show windows from all desktops
20:16.45PhilRodIIRC
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20:17.31Pickle_Weaselyou are my hero =)
20:17.35Pickle_Weaselthank you
20:17.42Pickle_Weaselthat was bugging me quite a bit
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20:40.20rkpisanuhi
20:40.33rkpisanuwhere do i find all dcop kaffeine message ?
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20:42.19PhilRodrkpisanu: kdcop
20:43.26rkpisanumany thanks
20:43.37rkpisanuPhilRod,
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20:48.16rushfanDoes KDE have a good program for making diagrams? As in like, of structures?
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20:50.17MinceRkivio, if i remember correctly
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20:51.41rushfanisnt that for flowcharts?
20:51.51thePunisheryep
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20:52.33MinceRi don't know if it's for flowcharts _only_ :>
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20:53.44thePunisherabout Kivio: Koffice flow chart and diagram tool
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21:05.03felixhummelis there a CLI command for the K Menu?
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21:06.17MinceRit might be possible to pop it up with a dcop message
21:06.24Pickle_Weaselnewserver irc.linuxfromscratch.org
21:06.27Pickle_Weaselerm
21:06.29MinceRyou could find out with kdcop
21:06.31Pickle_Weaselyeah >.>
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21:08.07mxttiefelixhummel, dcop command seems to be popupKMenu
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21:23.44DhamakaHello
21:23.51timrsello
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21:24.09DhamakaDoes Kde have a harddrive shutdown option?
21:24.17KalEli found this: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html - "I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE." - Linus Torvalds
21:24.32KalElreading this made me feel very nice :)
21:24.37timrskool
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21:28.23GionnyBossI noticed that running /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon in KDE, some GNOME settings (like GTK theme and fonts) are loaded, and my GTK applications looks a lot better in KDE. My problem is that this executable launches (apparently after a minute or 2) gnome-screensaver, too. I can kill gnome-screensaver manually, but I would like a way to achieve the same thing launching something that doesn't launch gnome-screensaver, too, so that I can put
21:28.24GionnyBossit in the KDE autostart
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21:30.32GionnyBossactually, gnome-vfs-daemon is loaded, too. How can I force a GTK theme in KDE, without doing this trick, please?
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21:38.38flickTorvalds can be very funny in a sarcastic manner when he wants :)
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21:39.11GuyFromHellflick: what's up?
21:39.12flickgnome has "apparent inability to accept the fact that we're not all a uniform gray paste"
21:39.29flickoh sorry this is KalEl
21:40.43GuyFromHellTorvalds always did favor the blue shade =)
21:42.19KalElhe is a very smart fellow... i wish i could code like him
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21:48.30KalElbut i suppose Ubuntu has made a right choice in making gnome the default desktop manager to target users... the "apparent inability" helps in selling it to those who would otherwise 'upgrade' to Vista.
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21:59.08angasulestill, at our LUG we promote Kubuntu, because it's easy and it's KDE, we can't promote Ubuntu since we have only 2 or 3 gnome people
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22:03.09hruskekshi.
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22:04.30namelessanyone knows how to make the kde menubar like this ?
22:04.34namelesshttp://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=11866205044454e89d62340&m=screen
22:06.00timrslike a mac's menu?
22:06.15namelessyes
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22:06.36timrsi swear i saw something on kde-apps.org regarding that, search around.
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22:07.18angasulethe fugly big icon thing?
22:07.22pinotreeit's builtin into kde
22:07.34aseigonameless: right click on the desktop, Configure desktop, Behaviour tab, Menu Bar At Top Of Screen
22:08.36namelessok
22:09.16namelessnot the docker lol
22:09.32timrssorry
22:09.38namelessnope
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22:09.47namelesspinotree helpami tu lol
22:09.49nameless:(
22:10.07pinotree??
22:10.13pinotreeaseigo told you already
22:10.20timrsthats bad spanglish...
22:10.31pinotreetimrs: (italian, even worse)
22:10.42angasulein my absolutely unhumble opinion, the menu at the top is stupid
22:10.43timrslol
22:11.16MinceRagreed
22:11.23puslingitanglish ?
22:11.34angasuleisn't there a word for that?
22:11.37MinceRit's especially broken with mousefocus
22:11.44angasulethe local mix of spanish and italian is called cocoliche
22:12.20timrsdo wildcards work in those search bars that are in a ton of kde apps?
22:12.52timrsnvm..
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22:16.13hruskekshi, any kmail developers around?
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22:18.07pinotreewhat is the real problem?
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22:18.23hruskeksthis bug is bugging me http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130959
22:18.36hruskeksi'd fix it, just not sure where to look for
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22:19.36pinotreeer
22:19.39pinotree#kontact
22:19.55hruskeksah, thanks
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22:27.44milospdoes anyone know how to assign a label for extra key on keyboard
22:27.53milospI did xev
22:28.01milospand I know the keycode
22:28.11milospbut since it doesn't have the label - says NoSymbol
22:28.18milospI cannot use it
22:28.32angasulehmm to use my extra keys I use keytouch
22:29.01milospkeytouch - it does not come with kde does it?
22:29.43angasulenot as far as I know
22:30.20angasulespecially since it seems to be a gnome thing
22:30.49milospaha
22:31.11angasulebut it works on KDE, too
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22:31.59milospok, I'll give it a try most likely - but u don't know how to give the labals to the keys
22:32.10milospbecause if u change the type of keyboard
22:32.17milospin keyboard layout
22:32.26felixhummelsorry for having to repeat myself, but my connection was just severed...
22:32.30felixhummelare shortcuts stored in config files and if so, where can i find them?
22:32.31milospit gives labels to some keys and u can use it
22:34.48milospkeytouch is only for 64 bit is it???
22:34.58milospcause I cannot find the one for 32
22:34.59angasulenope
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22:35.45milosp~amd64 ~x86
22:36.04milospit says for keytouch and for keytouch-editor (whatever this is)
22:36.49NightmareBadgermy noatun player stopped working, drops an error of libartskde.so.1: No such file or directory - anyone knows what to do?
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22:37.45milospnightmareBadger, were u playing of a different partition
22:38.15NightmareBadgermilosp: don't think so
22:38.41NightmareBadgermilosp: got noatun installed with KDE (dled the largest version)
22:38.55milospI get this error in kaffeine -
22:39.06milospwhen I played files from windows partition
22:39.15NightmareBadgermilosp: it crashes before it starts
22:39.28milospoh, so u cannot use it at all
22:39.45NightmareBadgermilosp: yeah it throws that error out when i want to start it
22:40.17NightmareBadgermilosp: when i searched the net i only found some people complaining about it and nobody having a fix for it...
22:40.45milospwell kaffeine does the same - but it doesn't crash after)
22:40.48milospstrange
22:40.52NightmareBadgermilosp: so atm im just trying to emerge noatun again and see what happens
22:41.08milospok
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22:42.08NightmareBadgermilosp: emerging mplayer too, its supposed to be good (but that is going to take a while and i want to watch something before i go to sleep :) )
22:42.40milosp:):):):)
22:42.48milospwell does kaffeine work
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22:43.49NightmareBadgermilosp: no idea, looks like i dont have it... kaboodle does the same thing though
22:44.16milospwow - that is really strange.....
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22:44.36milospgood luck
22:44.42NightmareBadgermilosp: okay i just updated kdelibs and it started working again
22:44.47NightmareBadgermilosp: :D
22:45.10milosp:)
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22:46.52NorcalscubadiverI think i want to change my KDE login screen to look different, is that possible and if so, how?
22:48.15milospnorcalscubadiver: I set mine by changing kdm to gdm
22:48.32milospI don't know if u have gdm installed
22:48.58Norcalscubadiverthats awsome.. i use gnome but there was a problem with gdm so i am now using kdm .. lol
22:49.13thePunisherNorcalscubadiver:  have a look at KDM Themes here: http://kde-look.org
22:49.50milospoh well..... :)))
22:49.58Norcalscubadiverkdm themes, now why didnt i think of that.. thanks, will look there now
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22:50.17thePunisherNorcalscubadiver: :)
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23:06.02jjj543k3what's a good distro on a live cd that I can download and run to play with kde 4
23:06.04jjj543k3?
23:06.23MinceRi doubt there is such
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23:06.30MinceRthe only kde4 livecd i know of is suse-based
23:06.31MinceR:>
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23:07.58jjj543k3ok, thanks Ille google for it.
23:08.27pinotreehttp://home.kde.org/~binner/kde4-live-dvd/
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23:14.35hellhoundcan anyone help me with a "Gtk-Critical **: gtk_widget_get_parent_window: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed" error I am getting with a firefox theme?  I would rather not uninstall it as I like it  and I would like to fix the error
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23:15.41jandemhi all, can i ask kde 4 questions here too?
23:16.20MinceRhellhound: i doubt you'll get much help on gtk here :)
23:17.52hellhoundMinceR: why is that?  is there something about gtk that I should know?
23:18.12MinceRkde doesn't use gtk
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23:18.26pinotreehellhound: this is #kde, you get kde-only help here
23:18.41pinotreenot help for firefox, neither for gtk+ stuff
23:19.46hellhoundpinotree: oh ok i thought i might have something to do with a possible kde package.... thank you... still new
23:19.57Norcalscubadiveraparently i am dumb!  i have found some decent looking kdm themes but have no clue how to install them.  when i click download on the theme all i get is a image of the "screen shot". can some one point me in the right direction.  thanks
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23:21.26GuyFromHelldoes anyone else think the katapult handbook for creating a plugin (http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-utils/katapult/catalog-creation.html) is... lacking...
23:21.51GuyFromHellam i missing something?
23:23.26MinceRNorcalscubadiver: the easy way would be to get the KDM Theme Manager
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23:24.34NorcalscubadiverMinceR:: and where might i find that?
23:25.03Norcalscubadiverfound it thanks
23:25.05Norcalscubadiveri think
23:25.20MinceRnp
23:25.31MinceRyour distro might have it and kde-apps.org has it
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23:26.34Norcalscubadiveryeah, i am running mandriva, it uses draksplash, probably similar or same but i am gonna look at the real one anyways.
23:28.19Norcalscubadiverthe screen shot of kdm theme manager looks way different than draksplash.. i hope the two can play nice together :)
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23:47.47Norcalscubadiveri am running gnome but using kdm, i just installed kdmtheme but have now clue how to access it.  the directions say to sue kde control center but i dont have than since i am not running kde.  any help would be appreciated
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