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`00:16.00`	`hellhound`	`what software is used to edit an existing partition? Currently I have two partitions (/ and swap) and i want to resize my root partition and create a /home partion`
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`00:17.21`	`tehk`	`Anyone know if kdevelop designer can place qxembed widgets?`
`00:17.28`	`ganymede`	`sometimes when i click a link in konversation, it hangs on the progress window forever, but then opening the page in konqueror is very fast, how can i fix this?`
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`00:31.10`	`avuton`	`What's a good KDE distribution? Exclude Suse/Kubuntu, please.`
`00:31.16`	`kgx`	`Kubuntu`
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`00:31.41`	`kgx`	`argubly the best`
`00:32.05`	`avuton`	`Last time I tried it, it felt like a second-rate ubuntu, not trying to troll, but that's what I took away from it`
`00:32.16`	`avuton`	`Is 7.10 better than past releases?`
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`00:41.10`	`kgx`	`not sure, haven't tried 7.10 yet`
`00:41.15`	`kgx`	`will upgrade this weekend`
`00:41.33`	`kgx`	`from what i'm hearing, 7.10 has some issues`
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`00:45.24`	`genjix`	`hi!`
`00:45.40`	`genjix`	`Where is KDevDesigner svn? I don't see it in the kdevelop one...`
`00:46.10`	`genjix`	`ah wait... its just integrating qt designer, right?`
`00:46.15`	`genjix`	`http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/351`
`00:46.21`	`genjix`	`so where can I find that widget?`
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`01:40.49`	`fedora_`	`hi`
`01:40.55`	`fedora_`	`hi to all`
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`02:58.05`	`porter235`	`question regarding KDE4: has anyone tried it yet with a tiling wm (ie ion3)?`
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`03:06.05`	`xsacha`	`hey, i was wondering if it's possible to improve page-loading speed of konqueror by modifying some settings? or is work being done to improve page-loading speed?`
`03:07.05`	`xsacha`	`i have to wait about 200ms for a page to load here on this KDE system. but using firefox on this KDE system, pages load instantly`
`03:07.57`	`xsacha`	`tried a variety of distros from fedora through to ubuntu and even linux from scratch on two different machines but seems to be konq issue`
`03:08.35`	`xsacha`	`i think safari has same issue (so webkit / khtml?)`
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`03:19.36`	`ssokolow`	`Various program defaults reference sound effects I'm missing like KDE_Beep.ogg. What should be providing those?`
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`03:24.45`	`smacnay`	`What is the plugin package caled for digikam. It extends the ability of digikam to alter and edit phots, upload to various online image sites, etc.?`
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`03:41.18`	`Typosu`	`wow it takes a while to co kdebase :o`
`03:42.21`	`Jucato`	`yes that's the longest co next to qt-copy`
`03:42.33`	`Daskreech`	`wait tll you compile :)`
`03:42.51`	`Jucato`	`compile = sleep`
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`03:44.12`	`Frogbarf`	`is anyone using baghira with brushed metal here?`
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`03:45.29`	`Typosu`	`Daskreech: actually, its not too bad compiling, kdelibs finished in 8 minutes :)`
`03:45.43`	`Typosu`	`I just wish svn was faster`
`03:46.13`	`Daskreech`	`Well I'm going to feel the suck of it soon`
`03:46.16`	`Typosu`	`kde4 is much better than kde3`
`03:46.21`	`Typosu`	`much much faster`
`03:46.26`	`Daskreech`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:46.30`	`Daskreech`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:46.32`	`Typosu`	`heh`
`03:46.36`	`Frogbarf`	`there seems to be an issue with brushed metal and kde snapshot`
`03:46.52`	`Daskreech`	`There is a brushed metal option in KDE4?`
`03:46.55`	`Typosu`	`I wonder if anyone has planned a nice snmp plasma engine yet...`
`03:46.59`	`Frogbarf`	`there is in baghira`
`03:47.07`	`Typosu`	`the current snmp thing in kde3 blows.`
`03:47.20`	`Typosu`	`I started writing a new one for kde3 but I thought it was a waste of time ::)`
`03:47.41`	`Frogbarf`	`probelm is when using the "itunes" aka brushed metal, when you try to take a region screenshot the entire sreeen becomes brushed metal`
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`03:49.25`	`Daskreech`	`I thought baghira was EOL ?`
`03:49.32`	`Frogbarf`	`eol?`
`03:49.39`	`Frogbarf`	`aparently not`
`03:49.44`	`Frogbarf`	`end of life`
`03:49.56`	`Frogbarf`	`I just updated to suse 10.3 and it's there`
`03:50.13`	`Daskreech`	`Well yeah it's not going to dry up and the veneer start peeling`
`03:50.21`	`Daskreech`	`I thought we were talking KDE4 is all`
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`03:50.36`	`Frogbarf`	`i have both`
`03:50.47`	`Frogbarf`	`i think my kde is a bit muddled`
`03:51.13`	`Frogbarf`	`i have bith kde3.5 and kde4 apps in my kmenu`
`03:51.41`	`Daskreech`	`And brushed metal in both?`
`03:52.24`	`Frogbarf`	`i can't tell which one i am using`
`03:52.42`	`Frogbarf`	`i think i am running 3.5, but i have a lot of kde4 aps installed`
`03:52.51`	`Frogbarf`	`it's suse 10.3 i just installed it`
`03:53.05`	`Frogbarf`	`i am pretty sure i am running kde 3.5`
`03:53.16`	`Frogbarf`	`yeah, 3.5`
`03:53.37`	`Frogbarf`	`but i think i also have 4.0. I am very confused`
`03:53.56`	`Frogbarf`	`i have both a kde4 and a .kde menu in my home folder`
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`03:56.41`	`Daskreech`	`3.5.7`
`03:56.45`	`Daskreech`	`:-)`
`03:56.52`	`mrec`	`hi is there a way to disable xine support for konqueror by setting a flag somewhere?`
`03:57.00`	`Frogbarf`	`i just got an answer in suse`
`03:57.08`	`Frogbarf`	`i should remove the kde4 stuff`
`03:57.14`	`mrec`	`xine seems to crash it every second time it gets loaded with konqueror`
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`04:01.36`	`Daskreech`	`Why?`
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`04:03.54`	`sonic`	`I need help with the documentation on building kde4 from svn`
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`04:04.52`	`sonic`	`Im stuck. I created a kde-devel user but I cant figure out what Im supposed to do from there. the documentation has me all screwed up`
`04:05.17`	`sonic`	`told me to remove $PATH from my bash profile. now obviously nothing works`
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`04:05.51`	`derek`	`sonic: what instructions are you trying to follow`
`04:05.56`	`derek`	`?`
`04:06.09`	`sonic`	`http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4`
`04:06.40`	`derek`	`sonic: what distro`
`04:06.57`	`sonic`	`kubuntu`
`04:06.58`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`wow the fglrx`
`04:07.02`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`+ kde4 rock`
`04:07.35`	`sonic`	`the part that says to paste http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc into your kde-devel profile`
`04:08.03`	`sonic`	`and remove the $PATH part cause it will try to source the kde3 stuff`
`04:08.21`	`sonic`	`which removes /usr/bin from my PATH`
`04:08.24`	`Daskreech`	`CPrgmSwR2: the new one?`
`04:08.29`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Yes`
`04:08.52`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`in other words kwin desktop effects work pretty well`
`04:09.04`	`derek`	`sonic: what you want is your kde4 binaries to be in the path before any kde3 stuff.`
`04:09.15`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`I love the alt-tab effect`
`04:09.46`	`derek`	`sonic: where is your kde4 stuff installed?`
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`04:09.52`	`sonic`	`ok, so dont remove $PATH, just point to the binaries before that last $PATH statement. so it goes there first?`
`04:10.03`	`sonic`	`its not installed`
`04:10.05`	`derek`	`sonic: yup`
`04:10.15`	`sonic`	`I am creating the user first like it says`
`04:10.46`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Daskreech: Is kubuntu going to upgrade its fglrx driver version any time soon?`
`04:10.47`	`sonic`	`the other thing is that I did do a checkout of trunk/kde and the kdesupport stuff isnt in it`
`04:11.01`	`Daskreech`	`When it goes through QA`
`04:11.31`	`derek`	`sonic: uncomment the line with path. When you got things running, you may need to use the full path to the binaries to run the one you want`
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`04:11.43`	`Daskreech`	`CPrgmSwR2: What's the alt+tab effect ?`
`04:11.56`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`It shows the window content`
`04:12.22`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`and has windows fade in and out depending on which window is on top`
`04:12.25`	`derek`	`sonic: it is below kde. kde/trunk/kdesupport`
`04:12.57`	`derek`	`sonic: build and install kdesupport first, then kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, etc`
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`04:14.43`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Daskreech: Its interesting having fall apart enabled and browsing menus`
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`04:14.58`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`The menus fall part too`
`04:15.03`	`Daskreech`	`Oh the animations effect?`
`04:15.04`	`sonic`	`derek: thanks Ill give it a shot`
`04:15.31`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Daskreech: yeah`
`04:15.41`	`hellhound`	`how can i get my mouse back button to work in dolphin?`
`04:15.43`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`the fall part works on every window`
`04:15.58`	`Daskreech`	`CPrgmSwR2: in compiz you can say which window type it works on`
`04:16.09`	`Daskreech`	`Funny that they have more config than KDE :)`
`04:16.48`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Daskreech: not really since this is the first time kwin is developing it`
`04:16.56`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`compiz has been around for a while`
`04:17.01`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`compared to kwin4 that is`
`04:17.06`	`Daskreech`	`yeah`
`04:17.10`	`Daskreech`	`still funny :)`
`04:17.24`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`yeah`
`04:18.00`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`The part that sucks is I have to wait for kde4 and fglrx 8.42.3 to become main stream`
`04:20.40`	`Typosu`	`Daskreech: I thought you said kdebase would take forever to build? Its at 40% and I started a couple minutes ago`
`04:20.52`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Typosu: what processor?`
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`04:21.06`	`Typosu`	`Core2Quad 6600 ;)`
`04:21.10`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`no wonder`
`04:21.12`	`Typosu`	`make -j 5`
`04:21.13`	`Typosu`	`;)`
`04:21.25`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Typosu: you bettter be hugging that Core2Quad`
`04:21.29`	`Daskreech`	`CPrgmSwR2: You do?`
`04:21.36`	`Typosu`	`it is super nice for building software`
`04:21.41`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`yeah`
`04:21.42`	`Daskreech`	`says who?`
`04:21.51`	`Typosu`	`though it doesnt really help software that uses autotools...`
`04:21.55`	`Typosu`	`autocrap just sucks`
`04:22.16`	`sonic`	`whats this: Fetching external item into 'kdesupport/admin'`
`04:22.20`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Typosu: I so wish I had your computer`
`04:22.23`	`amicrawler`	`hello does any body know were i can get help for remotes in irc for tv`
`04:22.26`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: thats normal`
`04:22.26`	`sonic`	`The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority.`
`04:22.28`	`sonic`	`ok`
`04:22.31`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`just press P`
`04:22.32`	`sonic`	`just making sure`
`04:22.37`	`Typosu`	`sonic: the admin folder is sourced from another svn repo`
`04:22.41`	`Typosu`	`external svn link`
`04:22.48`	`Typosu`	`quite handy`
`04:22.48`	`sonic`	`k, gotcha`
`04:22.56`	`amicrawler`	`hello does any body know were i can get help for remotes in irc for tv`
`04:23.05`	`Typosu`	`67%... :D`
`04:23.21`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Typosu: kdebase takes me 30 min`
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`04:23.33`	`Typosu`	`I feel your pain`
`04:23.48`	`amicrawler`	`any body home`
`04:23.58`	`smileaf`	`no`
`04:23.59`	`sonic`	`yeah, im getting flashbacks to my old gentoo days`
`04:24.11`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`lol soic`
`04:24.20`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`I just got rid of gentoo last month`
`04:24.21`	`sonic`	`so, Im assuming they are ready to start taking bug reports?`
`04:24.36`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: yeah`
`04:24.43`	`sonic`	`when does it go into freeze?`
`04:24.49`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: have you seen the kde4 beta versions yet?`
`04:25.02`	`sonic`	`yeah tried the beta 3`
`04:25.10`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: the freeze is supose to be now`
`04:25.16`	`sonic`	`but Im most interested in Parley`
`04:25.24`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Parley?`
`04:25.29`	`sonic`	`Im taking arabic. learning vocab is hard`
`04:25.49`	`Daskreech`	`amicrawler: huh>`
`04:25.58`	`sonic`	`3rd semester. tons of vocab. so I want to use parley instead of my flashcards`
`04:26.08`	`Daskreech`	`It's interesting`
`04:26.10`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`ah okay`
`04:26.21`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: then you will want to checkout kdeedu`
`04:26.31`	`sonic`	`which I swear im getting RSI (repetitive stress injury) from`
`04:26.31`	`amicrawler`	`yeah looking for help on a remote no codes for this know good device`
`04:26.35`	`sonic`	`yeah`
`04:27.05`	`Daskreech`	`amicrawler: Man this is the wrong server :)`
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`04:27.16`	`Typosu`	`ugghh, I just dumped some cola on my keyboard ::)`
`04:27.23`	`amicrawler`	`oh do you know what i need to join ?`
`04:27.49`	`sonic`	`jpwhiting convinced me to check it out`
`04:28.05`	`sonic`	`he one of the parley devs`
`04:28.18`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`jpwhiting ofcourse`
`04:28.53`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Yeah the kdeedu stuff looks pretty neat`
`04:28.59`	`sonic`	`Im psyched to check it out. kvoctrain needed some serious love`
`04:29.08`	`Typosu`	`heh, 11 min to compile kdebase`
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`04:29.27`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Typosu: thats because you cheat :P`
`04:29.55`	`Typosu`	`I was two years overdue for a computer upgrade, so I bought the Q6600 when the price dropped ;D`
`04:29.59`	`sonic`	`heh, who was it on planet-kde who was saying he set up a server farm to compile kde everyday`
`04:31.23`	`sonic`	`my hope is to brush up on my C++ and learn QT, hopefully by Dec/Jan Ill be ready to start some minor bug fixing`
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`04:34.16`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`I wish I could find developers in order to complete kollagame`
`04:35.00`	`Daskreech`	`troy: ping`
`04:36.00`	`sonic`	`CPrgmSwR2: are you a dev for it?`
`04:36.10`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`I started the project`
`04:36.19`	`sonic`	`CPrgmSwR2: what is it supposed to be?`
`04:36.24`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`A game creation kit`
`04:36.34`	`Daskreech`	`RPG game`
`04:36.48`	`sonic`	`CPrgmSwR2: you need some artists`
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`04:37.02`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`Not yet`
`04:37.18`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`the game is kinda in hold, because I cannot find developers for it`
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`04:37.51`	`sonic`	`CPrgmSwR2: yeah, seems most people really into rpgs are too busy playing rpgs`
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`04:37.53`	`sonic`	`...`
`04:38.21`	`AmyRose`	`Wow, another video game character is here! XD`
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`04:38.36`	`sonic`	`dont get me wrong. I love rpgs. I bought neverwinter 2 the day it came out. my specs cant handle it.`
`04:39.28`	`Typosu`	`going to try the new kde4 I just built...`
`04:39.37`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`awsome`
`04:40.10`	`AmyRose`	`Sysinfo for 'amy-pentiumtwo': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: PentiumII(Klamath) at 332 MHz (665 bogomips), , RAM: 151/154MB, 114 proc's, 9.16h up`
`04:40.14`	`AmyRose`	`XD`
`04:41.20`	`Daskreech`	`AmyRose: >_< :-D`
`04:41.23`	`sonic`	`crap`
`04:41.25`	`sonic`	`FILE cannot create directory: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/crypto. Maybe need administrative privileges.`
`04:42.07`	`AmyRose`	`sonic: So, you're a hedgehog too, huh? :P`
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`04:42.21`	`sonic`	`am I missing a qt4 dev package?`
`04:42.31`	`AmyRose`	`Daskreech: I gotta get around to trying KDE 4 on this machine`
`04:42.45`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: did you check out qt-copy?`
`04:42.47`	`sonic`	`well actually its short for sonic_beatnik, which it what I usually use`
`04:42.47`	`hellhound`	`does anyone know if it is possible to map a mouses back button with dolphin and firefox?`
`04:43.05`	`sonic`	`but thats too long for a login name I thought`
`04:43.14`	`AmyRose`	`sonic: Oh. I actually did name myself after the pink hedgehog.`
`04:43.16`	`hellhound`	`everything i see seems to only work for one program`
`04:43.25`	`derek_`	`sonic: where did that error come up?`
`04:43.36`	`AmyRose`	`cough http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/amyrose1024/kubuntu-p2-2007-10-25-b.png cough`
`04:43.36`	`AmyRose`	`hehe`
`04:43.41`	`sonic`	`no cause I have qt.4.3 installed`
`04:43.47`	`sonic`	`kdesupport`
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`04:44.09`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: you need to use a sudo command, but I cannot remeber the arguments to install it`
`04:44.25`	`sonic`	`to install what?`
`04:44.34`	`sonic`	`i thought I didnt need root for kde4`
`04:44.43`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`when you install kde4 it tries to install some files into the qt directory`
`04:44.54`	`CPrgmSwR2`	`sonic: you don't if you use qt-copy`
`04:45.20`	`sonic`	`ok, so that would explain the "-copy" in the name`
`04:45.31`	`sonic`	`nice. ok. fair enough. Ill grab it`
`04:46.08`	`sonic`	`amyrose: there was a pink hedgehog in sonic?`
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`04:46.23`	`sonic`	`amyrose: was that his girl or something?`
`04:46.48`	`AmyRose`	`sonic: No, she just has a crush on him`
`04:47.06`	`ehc`	`Is there a way to set the defualt location of where to rip audio cds to?`
`04:47.08`	`sonic`	`no? well what was his problem?`
`04:47.11`	`ehc`	`in k3b`
`04:47.26`	`Jucato`	`oh wow! sonic and AmyRose... all we need is tails...`
`04:47.40`	`AmyRose`	`haha`
`04:47.56`	`AmyRose`	`I know someone who could play the part of Tails, but he's in bed`
`04:48.06`	`sonic`	`amyrose: you can be my girl`
`04:48.07`	`sonic`	`lol`
`04:48.08`	`Jucato`	`what? he hwas 2 tails?`
`04:48.23`	`AmyRose`	`He's usually known as Tails-kun on IRC`
`04:48.24`	`hellhound`	`does anyone know if it is possible to map a mouses back button with dolphin and firefox?`
`04:49.07`	`AmyRose`	`sonic: Sorry, I'm taken already :P`
`04:49.55`	`sonic`	`haha. yeah I spose Id be a few years late on that one eh?`
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`04:50.14`	`AmyRose`	`sonic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Rose`
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`04:51.36`	`sonic`	`crazy, I had no idea, sonic the hedgehog became so big. I just remember the one for the sega genesis`
`04:51.52`	`sonic`	`where the heck have I been?`
`04:52.26`	`sonic`	`amyrose: your alright. for a cartoon hedgehog`
`04:52.32`	`sonic`	`haha`
`04:53.08`	`AmyRose`	`Aren't you also a cartoon hedgehog? =P`
`04:54.02`	`hellhound`	`i am trying to get my back button on my mouse to work in both firefox and dolphin. i have it working in firefox perfectly but not dolphin. i tried btnx and modmaping but i cannot figure out how to tell it send "backspace" when i am in dolphin and to send "alt-left arrow" when i am in firefox`
`04:54.41`	`sonic`	`well, I guess. I wasnt really thinking about sonic the hedgehog when I used it. but sure. why not`
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`04:56.58`	`sonic`	`so if I have to install a copy of qt, am I going to have to install a new dbus and hal too? it says if I have qt>=4.3 i should be good though.`
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`04:57.52`	`sonic`	`"KDE tries to guarantee that the source is compileable with a plain, unpatched Qt 4.3.0"`
`04:58.44`	`sonic`	`Im using qt4.3.2`
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`05:00.05`	`Jucato`	`sonic: you can use your distro's packages if they are up to date.. however you'd have to know your way around the .bashrc file and environment variables to customize it...`
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`05:00.22`	`Jucato`	`so if you're doing it for the very first time, I suggest you stick to the guide and do everything`
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`05:07.12`	`luser[t]`	`when i try to use kdm, i get no theme, but a very generic-looking login (with face browser actually). when i login, i just get an xterm and i have to type startkde & to get kde to start. even when kde starts, i can't close that xterm or it kills the session. any ideas?`
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`05:17.22`	`sonic`	`more problems... ./configure for qt4 gives: "shift: 1644: can't shift that many"`
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`05:26.08`	`sonic`	`qt-copy is a no go`
`05:27.16`	`sonic`	`.configure wont even take the command pasted right off techbase`
`05:27.48`	`Jucato`	`really weird...`
`05:27.59`	`sonic`	`./configure -qt-gif -no-exceptions -debug -fast -prefix $QTDIR -nomake examples -nomake demos`
`05:28.18`	`sonic`	`examples: unknown argument`
`05:28.21`	`sonic`	`what?`
`05:28.24`	`sonic`	`ahhh`
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`05:31.01`	`Jucato`	`sonic: the command is incomplete...`
`05:31.10`	`Jucato`	`iirc it's a multiple line command`
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`05:32.03`	`Jucato`	`ah no.. hm.. wonder why...`
`05:33.15`	`sonic`	`could it be I uncommented the QTDIR environment variable in my .bashrc. was I supposed to wait till after I built it?`
`05:33.47`	`Jucato`	`no. it should be uncommented in the first place.`
`05:33.56`	`sonic`	`export QTDIR=$HOME/qt-copy`
`05:34.02`	`sonic`	`yeah I thought so`
`05:34.21`	`sonic`	`especially with the -prefix arguement`
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`05:34.35`	`Jucato`	`you should just paste the .bashrc into your kde-devel's .bashrc`
`05:34.39`	`Jucato`	`as it is. no mods`
`05:35.40`	`sonic`	`ah`
`05:36.02`	`sonic`	`I tried sourcing it to the new edited bashrc`
`05:36.25`	`sonic`	`but now I just logged off then back in and it works fine now`
`05:36.30`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`05:36.46`	`sonic`	`weird`
`05:37.11`	`sonic`	`doesnt "source .bashrc" make it reread it and apply any changes?`
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`05:37.32`	`Jucato`	`it should I guess`
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`06:07.32`	`malv`	`hmmm, kmail seems to take a while to display my imap folders`
`06:07.35`	`malv`	`anyone know why?`
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`06:08.55`	`qupada`	`malv: probably you're using imap instead of the cached/disconnected imap`
`06:09.20`	`malv`	`ah, I see`
`06:09.23`	`malv`	`Thank you =)`
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`06:09.46`	`qupada`	`unfortunately you can't switch between the two, you'll have to delete the account and re-create it`
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`06:13.01`	`malv`	`does caches imap basically behave like pop?`
`06:13.04`	`malv`	`cached*`
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`06:14.15`	`qupada`	`basically it synchronises the contents of the server to your machine, so you can read anything offline, then the mail check cycle goes through all your folders and checks for new messages, deletes ones you've deleted locally, etc`
`06:15.12`	`malv`	`ah, ok`
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`06:34.40`	`Daskreech`	`Night all!!!`
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`07:27.32`	`IAmWill`	`I am not sure this is possible, but can you un-empty the trashcan?`
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`07:28.35`	`biowalker`	`hi. i can't figure out, how to add hidden dirs to a project in k3b`
`07:29.08`	`biowalker`	`no 'show hidden files' or something like that`
`07:31.19`	`chenzp`	`who knows about linux rpc program?`
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`07:44.31`	`Rasi`	`biowalker: what about rightclick in the file browser -> show hidden files?`
`07:44.43`	`Rasi`	`and apart from that you can just drag&drop from konqueror`
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`07:45.50`	`biowalker`	`Rasi: omg, thx :-)`
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`07:48.24`	`FreshPrince`	`morning..`
`07:50.35`	`AL13N_work`	`pinotree: no i don't, you're talking about ALEMAN_onlyWomen`
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`07:50.52`	`AL13N_work`	`mxttie: thanks`
`07:52.20`	`AL13N_work`	`after 3 full days of rough translation in kbabel, i translated 44/48 items in only 1 file.... something ain't right here...`
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`08:04.04`	`thiago`	`IAmWill: no, if you remove from the trashcan, it's permanent delete`
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`08:18.06`	`Rasi`	`well`
`08:18.14`	`Rasi`	`on ext2 that was possible as far as i know`
`08:18.19`	`Rasi`	`ext3 cannot do this anymore`
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`08:21.52`	`infadel`	`why would my samba shares not display in konqueror ?`
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`08:22.03`	`infadel`	`im navigating to them manually and taht works fine`
`08:22.14`	`infadel`	`but it doesnt want to show me the shares on a system`
`08:22.22`	`infadel`	`say \\pc\ <- blank`
`08:22.31`	`infadel`	`but \\pc\share\ < - works`
`08:22.37`	`infadel`	`kde 3.5.8`
`08:22.39`	`infadel`	`:)`
`08:22.46`	`infadel`	`is there something i need to configure`
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`08:23.57`	`infadel`	`sorry 3.5.7`
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`08:37.45`	`Linex`	`hello`
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`08:38.09`	`Linex`	`How do I paste an inline picture in my email using kmail ? Is it possible at all ?`
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`08:48.37`	`Rasi`	`text [picture] more text?`
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`09:11.19`	`kaminix`	`Why is this page rendering incorrectly in Konqueror? http://ord.relaynode.info/ Firefox renders fine.`
`09:13.29`	`kaminix`	`It does not give an error warning in konq`
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`09:31.31`	`ragavendra_bn`	`hi`
`09:31.41`	`ragavendra_bn`	`how to register mynick?`
`09:32.09`	`Jucato`	`/msg nickserv register <password>`
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`10:03.20`	`ben_`	`Anyone seen that the kde wiki is down? Error MessageTable './wikikde_tikiwiki/tiki_sessions' is marked as crashed and should be repaired`
`10:06.18`	`ben_`	`Does it crash frequently?`
`10:06.32`	`Sho_`	`it's been down a couple of times lately, yes`
`10:06.38`	`Sho_`	`And I also find TikiWiki uncomfortable to use`
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`10:06.58`	`Sho_`	`the http://techbase.kde.org/ that runs MediaWiki is much nicer`
`10:07.07`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: hope against hope :)`
`10:07.09`	`Jucato`	`and good morning :)`
`10:07.16`	`ben_`	`:) techbase is great`
`10:07.17`	`Jucato`	`(or noon)`
`10:07.23`	`canllaith`	`Evening al`
`10:07.26`	`canllaith`	`s/al/all/`
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`10:07.29`	`Jucato`	`canllaith!!!!!!!`
`10:07.33`	`Jucato`	`annma!!!!!!`
`10:07.39`	`canllaith`	`annma: ! :)`
`10:07.42`	`Jucato`	`long time no see canllaith! how are you? :)`
`10:07.47`	`Sho_`	`moin Jucato, canllaith, annma`
`10:07.56`	`Jucato`	`Sho_!!!!!`
`10:08.01`	`Jucato`	`oh wait, I greeted you already...`
`10:08.18`	`Jucato`	`(twice won't hurt though...)`
`10:08.20`	`annma`	`:(`
`10:08.24`	`annma`	`Jucato: there's a strike in airplanes, I could not depart`
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`10:08.30`	`Jucato`	`what the?!?! :(`
`10:08.43`	`annma`	`Jucato: yes, stupid French people`
`10:08.43`	`Jucato`	`that's so... unfair... :(`
`10:08.46`	`annma`	`yes`
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`10:08.53`	`annma`	`teh strike in on until Monday`
`10:09.15`	`annma`	`they did not let me even go to Paris`
`10:09.30`	`Jucato`	`ppffft :(`
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`10:10.26`	`Ace2016`	`hi all`
`10:10.43`	`ben_`	`hi`
`10:11.05`	`annma`	`I'm trying to contact people from Canonical`
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`10:12.08`	`Jucato`	`annma: hm... Riddell was in heathrow already an hour ago`
`10:12.22`	`annma`	`yes, I guess`
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`10:13.33`	`annma`	`canllaith: how are you?`
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`10:14.00`	`canllaith`	`annma: not bad, I've been really sick lately but I'm getting better`
`10:14.09`	`annma`	`oh`
`10:16.00`	`Ace2016`	`so is canonical based in the uk then? i'm not too far from heathrow`
`10:16.16`	`Jucato`	`Isle of Man`
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`10:16.53`	`Ace2016`	`oh why there, why not somewhere with more connections to the rest of the world like greater london`
`10:18.25`	`Ace2016`	`i thought it was for drivers who want to drive very fast legally`
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`10:33.22`	`dc2447`	`Hi - I have upgraded a desktop to the latest Kubuntu (7.10) which had kde 3.5.8 - I am having an issue with the panel freezing which clicking it every so often - has anyone heard of similar?`
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`10:39.13`	`annma`	`dc2447: hmm, no*`
`10:39.23`	`annma`	`dc2447: did you try a new user?`
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`10:40.56`	`Indust`	`hi all! i got problems with my external screen ( vga-out) on my laptop. there is a conflict, that there are 2 displays, with different values. ... can i somehow find a solution? at the moment after starting KDE external monitor does not show anything. ( it worked on former versions of kde ( some monitor settings).`
`10:41.35`	`Indust`	`some => same`
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`10:45.11`	`dc2447`	`annma: new user? You mean create a new account? Good shout. if fact I could just blow away my .kde dir and start again couln't I`
`10:45.25`	`annma`	`no`
`10:45.42`	`annma`	`you'll loose settings and maybe even mail`
`10:45.47`	`annma`	`never nuke .kde`
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`10:46.22`	`dc2447`	`annma: mail goes in .mozilla - I can live with losing all my settings`
`10:46.42`	`annma`	`well, you've been warned`
`10:47.48`	`dc2447`	`I have done it before - I'd rather fix the lockup issue though`
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`10:54.52`	`Kanniball`	`I need to switch my desktop from gentoo, and I want a distro with a lot of packages. Can I get with debian a KDE desktop like kubuntu? or should I go directly to kubuntu?`
`10:54.56`	`root__`	`www.yahoo.com`
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`10:56.01`	`annma`	`Kanniball: ask in #debian and #kubuntu`
`10:56.24`	`Jejem`	`or just keep your gentoo stuff on ;)`
`10:56.36`	`annma`	`booh gentoo`
`10:56.45`	`Jejem`	`gentoo rocks`
`10:56.45`	`Jejem`	`:)`
`10:56.48`	`Jejem`	`</troll>`
`10:56.52`	`Kanniball`	`annma: but this is not distro related, I just want hear some opinions, since I want a KDE desktop....`
`10:57.05`	`annma`	`we only talk about KDE`
`10:57.18`	`Jejem`	`Kanniball: a KDE desktop under gentoo is ok, hehe :D`
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`10:57.26`	`annma`	`distros talk just lead to distro war`
`10:57.30`	`Kanniball`	`gentoo... the project it's lacking a lot of packages, and I haven't much time for compiling :S`
`10:57.50`	`Jejem`	`more packages than debian stuff...`
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`10:58.04`	`Jejem`	`don't start a troll with correct infos ;)`
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`10:58.55`	`Kanniball`	`and I don't like rpms....`
`10:59.11`	`Jejem`	`so go get debian.`
`10:59.19`	`Jejem`	`or a kubuntu :)`
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`10:59.50`	`Kanniball`	`ok thanks...`
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`11:01.49`	`annma`	`or a Mandriva`
`11:01.53`	`annma`	`or Fedora`
`11:01.58`	`annma`	`or OpenSuse`
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`11:02.39`	`Kanniball`	`I don't like rpms... i use fedora at work...`
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`11:03.29`	`Kanniball`	`one thing I love in gentoo, and it seems that debian is the same is the continous updates, so I don't need to upgrade versions`
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`11:04.00`	`Kanniball`	`or wait for another version of the distro to have a version of software... or wait for it in the backports`
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`11:23.29`	`batiste`	`Hello`
`11:23.55`	`batiste`	`I am trying to set my Kde4 environnement`
`11:25.33`	`batiste`	`I have copied the .bashrc file. But I get some errors`
`11:26.23`	`batiste`	: command not found, ': not a valid identifier_DIRS, and syntax error near unexpected token `{...line 67: `function cmakekde {
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`11:30.50`	`pbn`	`Hello, how can I disable the "Switch user" button when the display is locked ?`
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`11:34.53`	`kaminix`	`Why is this page rendering incorrectly in Konqueror? http://ord.relaynode.info/ Firefox renders fine. It also does not give any coding errors in Konqueror.`
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`11:37.44`	`ben_`	`konqueror needs webkit, I wish the devs would hurry up and do it`
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`11:38.20`	`rejeep`	`Hi! Some of my programs (like Kate) are opened behind all other windows. But it's not like this for all programs. For example does Konqueror work like it should!`
`11:39.54`	`thiago`	`ben_: and where does your qualifications to talk about the subject come from?`
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`11:41.05`	`ben_`	`thiago: nowhere`
`11:42.14`	`ben_`	`thiago: websites won't be designed for konqueror unless it uses webkit, it just hasn't got enough market share. I'm not saying the khtml guys are doing a bad job or anything`
`11:42.21`	`thiago`	`we don't need more heated opinions`
`11:42.28`	`thiago`	`either you have qualification to talk about it, or you don't talk about it`
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`11:43.01`	`ben_`	`thiago: okay fair enough, I wasn't trying to start a war`
`11:43.03`	`nikolavp`	`bah where was the option to disable the damn bouncing cursor`
`11:43.07`	`nikolavp`	`when i open an application :)`
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`11:43.31`	`nikolavp`	`ah i found it nevermind ;D`
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`11:44.20`	`thiago`	`ben_: sorry to be rude, but we really don't need more wood in the fire`
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`11:46.31`	`idem`	`Which navigators use Webkit ?`
`11:46.44`	`kaminix`	`Why should a homepage be deviced for a specific browser? Aren't there standards for how to make webpages?`
`11:46.45`	`ben_`	`safari and some other mac browsers`
`11:47.06`	`ben_`	`kaminix: yes, but every browser has a few bugs`
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`11:47.31`	`thiago`	`kaminix: and we don't live in an ideal world. Web designers do develop pages for some browsers only.`
`11:48.07`	`kaminix`	`What's the point with doing that?`
`11:48.24`	`thiago`	`money saving`
`11:48.25`	`ben_`	`thiago: my point exactly, and they target the browsers with big share, which tend to be IE + cross platform`
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`11:48.52`	`thiago`	`ben_: we're not using Gecko, so that's not a valid reason.`
`11:49.06`	`thiago`	`meaning: if it were, we'd have switched to Gecko years ago.`
`11:49.19`	`ben_`	`Gecko is slow anyway`
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`11:51.21`	`kaminix`	`Is it Gecko which is so slow? I thought it was the rest of Firefox.`
`11:51.47`	`benJIman`	`Mostly yes, gecko isn't as fast as khtml/webkit though`
`11:52.03`	`ben_`	`kaminix: javascipt tests and so forth show the gecko browsers are way slower than opera and webkit`
`11:52.27`	`kaminix`	`Why don't we have the option to use Gecko with Konqueror though? Isn't it really easy to incorporate the choice? Not a programmer or anything, but it sounds easy.`
`11:52.30`	`benJIman`	`ben_: That's partly due to when the javascript is run during page rendering though.`
`11:52.41`	`benJIman`	`kaminix: konqueror used to have gecko support, it was dropped a while ago.`
`11:52.48`	`benJIman`	`Few users, no-one to maintain it.`
`11:53.05`	`kaminix`	`I see. Would've been nice though.`
`11:54.04`	`ben_`	`I'd rather see them use a faster engine than a slow one, that way we win in the end`
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`11:55.44`	`kaminix`	`I'd rather be able to view homepages without having to start Fire/Swiftfox from time to time :)`
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`11:56.43`	`pbn`	`okay I've got a question :)`
`11:57.04`	`pbn`	`There are these (in my opinion) kdm themes`
`11:57.34`	`pbn`	`to get rid of them in KDE on PC-BSD 1.4, I start kcontrol and go to "KDM Theme Manager" and then uncheck "Enable KDM Themes"`
`11:57.41`	`pbn`	`that works on PC-BSD 1.4`
`11:58.09`	`pbn`	`Now on a fresh install of Ubuntu 7.10, there are also these ugly kdm themes, but there is no "KDM Theme Manager" in kcontrol...`
`11:58.12`	`pbn`	`any idea ?`
`11:58.37`	`Daverocks`	`pbn: kubuntu?`
`11:58.49`	`pbn`	`yes, kubuntu, sorry`
`11:58.57`	`esco`	`how can i start the cube desktop`
`11:59.22`	`esco`	`?`
`11:59.34`	`Daverocks`	`hm, didn't kubuntu modify their whole kcontrol?`
`11:59.39`	`ben_`	`#kubuntu`
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`12:00.08`	`esco`	`plz`
`12:00.15`	`esco`	`can anyone help me with that`
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`12:00.25`	`Daverocks`	`esco: probably better to ask in your distro channel`
`12:00.25`	`thiago`	`KDE has no cube desktiop`
`12:00.30`	`thiago`	`you're asking in the wrong channel`
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`12:00.49`	`pbn`	`ben_: ah, ok...`
`12:01.17`	`esco`	`they dont answer me`
`12:01.25`	`thiago`	`that's no reason to ask here`
`12:01.46`	`esco`	`i just want some help`
`12:02.39`	`ben_`	`esco: that's why I'm in gnome :( kubuntu misses all the love`
`12:03.04`	`Jucato`	`ben_: then show it love...`
`12:03.11`	`Jucato`	`s/show/give/`
`12:03.16`	`ben_`	`esco: OK brb I'll go into kde`
`12:03.33`	`Daverocks`	`esco: it's difficult for us to help you because the method of setting up a 3D desktop varies between distros (e.g. different compositing managers may be preferred, different 3D gl methods may be preferred between distros)`
`12:04.02`	`ben_`	`esco: what video hardware do you have? ati/intel/nvidia?`
`12:04.12`	`Jucato`	`annma: any news? :(`
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`12:06.22`	`pbn`	`hm`
`12:06.35`	`pbn`	`still no "KDM Theme Manager" in kcontrol :�`
`12:07.18`	`Jucato`	`pbn: did you install kdmtheme already?`
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`12:08.04`	`Jucato`	`:(`
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`12:10.32`	`code_astronomer`	`can anyone tell me why, after installing kde and uninstalling it, my fonts are tiny in fluxbox now?`
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`12:13.58`	`pbn`	`Jucato: aah, good question`
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`12:15.21`	`SpeedoFXL`	`anderson, Salut anne marie`
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`12:21.13`	`SpeedoFXL`	`Ca va,et toi anne ?`
`12:21.31`	`annma`	`English here SpeedoFXL`
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`12:34.04`	`ultrav1olet`	`how can I pass an empty argument to dcop kmail MailTransportServiceIface?`
`12:34.23`	`ultrav1olet`	`I always get "Not enough arguments (expected 7, got 7)."`
`12:34.46`	`SpeedoFXL`	`What do you want to achieve ?`
`12:35.27`	`ultrav1olet`	`I want to send a message without an attachment`
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`12:35.54`	`SpeedoFXL`	`Ok`
`12:36.08`	`SpeedoFXL`	`Did I evr use Kmail ?`
`12:36.29`	`ultrav1olet`	`I cannot answer that question for you.`
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`12:36.56`	`ultrav1olet`	`We are on the #kde channel and I'm asking questions about KDE. How strange you are`
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`12:40.14`	`keyo`	`esco: I tryed the command "compiz --replace" in kubuntu and it just crashed, make sure you have screen bit depth on 24 before you try it`
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`13:08.15`	`shadok`	`hi :)`
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`13:10.33`	`shadok`	`is there any software that looks like deamon tools in qt ? I mean: a gui, a right click option in konqueror`
`13:12.17`	`Jucato`	`shadok: lots of ISO mounting service menus from http://kde-apps.org`
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`13:22.00`	`kaminix`	`Hmm... I made my own simple little mount-this-iso-script for that. :p`
`13:24.14`	`kaminix`	`What's wrong here`
`13:24.15`	`kaminix`	`?`
`13:24.15`	`kaminix`	`http://wiki.kde.org/`
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`13:34.45`	`shadok`	`Jucato: thank you :)`
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`13:34.58`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`13:35.23`	`shadok`	`kaminix: unfortunately i'm looking for a gui but thanks anyway`
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`14:01.03`	`mxttie`	`shadok: look for kiso`
`14:01.19`	`mxttie`	`besides the app, you also get context menu actions in konqueror`
`14:01.56`	`shadok`	`yep, i found something interesting : acetone but i'm dist-upgrading to lenny so i'll wait a bit to install acetone`
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`14:02.24`	`maki`	`qtconfig gives me only 3 styles and qt4 config gives me qt3 styles, why is that?`
`14:02.52`	`mxttie`	`thanks for sharing, didn't know that one`
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`14:03.15`	`pinotree`	`maki: are you sure to really run qt4's qtconfig?`
`14:03.24`	`maki`	`pinotree yes`
`14:03.42`	`maki`	`wait`
`14:04.17`	`maki`	`i dont have qt4 config`
`14:04.18`	`aditya_`	`warning: reading through null pointer`
`14:04.31`	`aditya_`	`can anybody tell me what this error means`
`14:04.44`	`pinotree`	`maki: hehe (and, #qt for such questions, btw)`
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`14:05.33`	`maki`	`pinotree: ok thanks`
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`14:05.54`	`maki`	`The qt-config utility to change profiles no longer exits :)`
`14:06.08`	`maki`	`this is a note added to qt4 pakage`
`14:06.10`	`Phlogi`	`where can I find the composite options of kde in kcontrol?`
`14:06.29`	`thiago`	`Phlogi: Alt+F3, Configure Window Behaviour`
`14:06.32`	`SpeedoFXL`	`I like Kde3`
`14:06.44`	`SpeedoFXL`	`the 4th shall be bugfull for long`
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`14:08.42`	`maki`	`SpeedoFXL so use kde3 :)`
`14:09.00`	`maki`	`it will be supported for a while after kde4 i think`
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`14:09.40`	`SpeedoFXL`	`I will make it run for a while that is sure`
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`14:12.36`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: 44/48 !`
`14:12.43`	`AL13N_work`	`this is really disastrous`
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`14:13.06`	`annma`	`AL13N_work: kbabel is not continued for kde4 anyway`
`14:13.14`	`Frogbarf`	`is there a way modity the useragent strings in konqueror? It currently only shows old browser versions`
`14:13.47`	`StarScream`	`Frogbarf: yes Tools->Change Browser identification`
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`14:14.26`	`Frogbarf`	`Where do you modity it in there?`
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`14:14.54`	`Frogbarf`	`I don't see where you can change the strings it sends to include a newer version of firefox, for example`
`14:16.04`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: it isn't?`
`14:16.10`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: what's in it's place?`
`14:16.25`	`annma`	`no, a new tool is made called Kaider`
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`14:18.34`	`Moe`	`hi .. I'm currently trying to get KDE4 to work .. the latest beta .. yet, ksmserver refuses to start when run as a regular user`
`14:18.39`	`Moe`	`Any ideas?`
`14:18.46`	`Moe`	`The only error message I get is the following`
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`14:29.39`	`Frogbarf`	`I need it to show Firefox 2.x which is not in the list`
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`14:35.24`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: is it stable yet? or don't you know much about it?`
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`14:35.43`	`annma`	`it is stable enough but with less functionalities`
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`14:38.45`	`Moe`	`So, no ideas about the ksmserver error?`
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`14:42.47`	`annma`	`run as regular user?`
`14:43.08`	`annma`	`did you install kde4 from your distro?`
`14:43.22`	`Moe`	`I installed it from source`
`14:43.34`	`Moe`	`Followed the build instructions as presented on the website`
`14:44.09`	`Moe`	`I have to admit .. I do not have all the components installed yet .. but I thought I could live without gadgets like multimedia or edu for now`
`14:44.22`	`Moe`	`I guess I'm wrong on that approach?`
`14:44.37`	`annma`	`yes you're wrong saying kdeedu is gadget`
`14:44.57`	`annma`	`did you build kdesupport, kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase?`
`14:45.03`	`smileaf`	`its a module =)`
`14:45.04`	`Moe`	`Yes`
`14:45.11`	`annma`	`my husband offered to buy me a ticket to Loand a nice module`
`14:45.35`	`annma`	`Moe: then you run kde4 how?`
`14:45.39`	`smileaf`	`no idea what that is, but awesome =)`
`14:45.47`	`annma`	`lol`
`14:45.51`	`annma`	`mouse problem ;)`
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`14:46.13`	`Moe`	`I didn't mean to downplay the importance of any parts ..`
`14:46.25`	`annma`	`no, that's ok`
`14:46.30`	`annma`	`tell me how you start KDE4`
`14:46.53`	`Moe`	`Anyway .. I tried adding 'dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde' to my .xinitrc`
`14:47.00`	`Moe`	`Which works`
`14:47.10`	`Moe`	`Up until that particular line I posted above`
`14:47.22`	`annma`	`so nothing comes up?`
`14:47.25`	`annma`	`no desktop?`
`14:47.52`	`Moe`	`No, no desktop .. just the X server .. and what seems to be the a visual representations of the startup stage its in`
`14:48.11`	`Moe`	`It looks like a session manager`
`14:48.41`	`Jucato`	`yay!!`
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`14:48.44`	`AmyRose`	`haha`
`14:48.48`	`Moe`	`Has about six icons beneath a picture of a crowd of people .. which are greyed out`
`14:48.58`	`AmyRose`	`sorry, Jucato, I'm being a traitor and am using my laptop right now`
`14:48.59`	`AmyRose`	`:P`
`14:49.04`	`Jucato`	`haha it's ok :)`
`14:49.06`	`annma`	`Moe: you sure you have all the env vars correct?`
`14:49.08`	`Jucato`	`as long as it's KDE!`
`14:49.16`	`AmyRose`	`Jucato: Yeah, Kubuntu Gutsy on both machines :D`
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`14:49.25`	`Moe`	`annma: Depends on which env vars you mean ..`
`14:49.33`	`Jucato`	`heh`
`14:49.38`	`Moe`	`Or shall I say .. give an example?`
`14:49.39`	`annma`	`the KDE4 ones`
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`14:49.55`	`AmyRose`	`Jucato: This afternoon I'm going to try KDE 4 beta 3 on my old computer :D`
`14:49.58`	`annma`	`paste your PATH for the KDE4 user`
`14:50.00`	`tuxick`	`lo`
`14:50.41`	`Moe`	`Sure`
`14:50.42`	`tuxick`	`when i click on the korganizer reminde icon i just get some bouncy icon but it won't open korganizer window for me`
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`14:50.46`	`tuxick`	`why not?`
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`14:51.26`	`smileaf`	`tuxick: can you try running the command korganizer in a terminal and see what it does.`
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`14:51.50`	`tuxick`	`smileaf: that works of course :)`
`14:52.06`	`Moe`	`annma: http://rafb.net/p/90HiIr90.html`
`14:52.13`	`tuxick`	`and i'm kinda used to being able to open apps from there using rightclick`
`14:52.27`	`tuxick`	`i know that's what amarok does anyway`
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`14:53.13`	`Moe`	`I wonder if I have to mess with ld.so.conf`
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`14:53.41`	`smileaf`	`tuxick: does it always do this? or if you relogin does it start working again?`
`14:53.58`	`annma`	`Moe: no`
`14:54.10`	`annma`	`you don't have to "mess" with anything`
`14:54.33`	`annma`	`where is your KDE4 installed?`
`14:54.39`	`Moe`	`I guess kde is smart enough to figure out where its libraries are located`
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`14:54.53`	`annma`	`you compiled KDE with the user witht his PATH?`
`14:54.53`	`Moe`	`In /opt/lunar/kde/4 .. like the path suggests`
`14:55.03`	`Moe`	`nod`
`14:55.20`	`annma`	`ok`
`14:55.22`	`annma`	`so`
`14:55.51`	`annma`	`you have /opt/lunar/qt/4/bin`
`14:55.52`	`Moe`	`Does that mean I can only use KDE4 with the user I installed it with?`
`14:55.54`	`whirm`	`hi all!`
`14:56.10`	`annma`	`put /opt/lunar/kde/4/bin just after`
`14:56.17`	`annma`	`not after /usr/bin and such`
`14:56.24`	`Moe`	`hm`
`14:56.28`	`Moe`	`Alright`
`14:56.28`	`annma`	`in second position`
`14:56.36`	`tuxick`	`smileaf: i can quit it, start it again, then quit window, and same behaviour again`
`14:56.36`	`Moe`	`On it`
`14:56.52`	`tuxick`	`but i think it's related to "korganizer: ERROR: Unable to load resource 'ldapkio-resource'"`
`14:56.53`	`smileaf`	`tuxick: no, I mean logout .. and back in to kde again.`
`14:56.56`	`tuxick`	`whatever that is`
`14:57.14`	`tuxick`	`smileaf: well i did check if all instances where gone from ps :)`
`14:57.17`	`smileaf`	`should still show the window.`
`14:57.32`	`smileaf`	`tuxick: was thinking it might be some dcop issue or something.`
`14:57.35`	`tuxick`	`ye i get that message when starting it from commandline`
`14:57.49`	`tuxick`	`i'm having it talk to egroupware over xmlrpc btw`
`14:58.01`	`smileaf`	`I have no experience with that :/`
`14:58.10`	`tuxick`	`which works except for a lot of "korganizer: ERROR: Server send error 105: XML error: Invalid document end at line 1"`
`14:58.23`	`tuxick`	`but i think that's going to be rather easy to fix`
`14:58.57`	`tuxick`	`it's one of first times i saw a calendar app actuall manage to fetch and submit events :)`
`14:59.09`	`tuxick`	`except lookout/exchange of course`
`14:59.32`	`Moe`	`annma: No luck unfortunately`
`14:59.36`	`tuxick`	`egroupware is quite impressive`
`14:59.45`	`Moe`	`It still craps out at the same location`
`14:59.53`	`annma`	`Moe: I don't understand how you built KDE with this PATH`
`15:00.23`	`annma`	`where is your KDE3 installed?`
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`15:00.35`	`Moe`	`uhm .. I just used cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/..`
`15:00.42`	`Moe`	`I don't have it installed`
`15:00.50`	`annma`	`ah OK then`
`15:01.15`	`annma`	`you have QT3 though`
`15:01.22`	`Moe`	`I do .. for opera`
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`15:04.21`	`annma`	`you compiled following techbase doc?`
`15:04.27`	`annma`	`or is that Gentoo?`
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`15:05.06`	`AL13N_work`	`Jucato: hmm, annma is female?`
`15:05.18`	`Jucato`	`/whois annma :D`
`15:05.27`	`annma`	`I am`
`15:05.30`	`annma`	`;)`
`15:05.33`	`annma`	`but`
`15:05.36`	`annma`	`don't dream, I'm married with 5 kids`
`15:05.40`	`Jucato`	`aw! why did you break the suspense`
`15:05.41`	`AL13N_work`	`lol`
`15:05.43`	`annma`	`so not young anymore`
`15:05.45`	`pinotree`	`annma: 5 marriages?`
`15:05.46`	`AL13N_work`	`i'm married`
`15:05.51`	`annma`	`lol pinotree`
`15:05.53`	`annma`	`1 only`
`15:05.55`	`Jucato`	`yeah don't dream! she's KDE's annmom!`
`15:05.56`	`maki__`	`:))`
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`15:06.08`	`annma`	`AL13N_work: any kid?`
`15:06.09`	`Moe`	`annma: I used the build instructions from the website`
`15:06.19`	`AL13N_work`	`it's just you seem very helpful`
`15:06.23`	`Moe`	`Without going for svn though .. I took the prepared beta3 packages`
`15:06.29`	`AL13N_work`	`it figures that you're female i guess`
`15:06.36`	`Jucato`	`AL13N_work: and she's not even in a good mood today at that! :)`
`15:06.48`	`AL13N_work`	`Jucato: lol`
`15:07.02`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: no, no kids, only been married for a year`
`15:07.15`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: allthough the wife is complaining about it`
`15:07.22`	`AL13N_work`	`(for the last 2 years)`
`15:07.31`	`annma`	`;) yes`
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`15:07.52`	`AL13N_work`	`i don't think i'm ready for kids yet`
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`15:08.17`	`annma`	`yes, it's hard work`
`15:08.51`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: as my brother-in-law was told, and will now tell others, don't get a van. as soon as you get one, your wife will get pregnant. lol`
`15:09.04`	`Jucato`	`O.o`
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`15:09.27`	`smileaf`	`he was told that, got a van, and my sister got pregnant soon after, hehe`
`15:09.52`	`annma`	`lol`
`15:10.14`	`annma`	`we had only a very small car for the first 2 kids though`
`15:10.30`	`AL13N_work`	`lol`
`15:10.53`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: i'm just getting a new car from work, but i chose a normalsized one`
`15:10.58`	`AL13N_work`	`thankgod`
`15:11.18`	`oelewapperke`	`annma: congrats ... just how many kids do you have ? :-p`
`15:11.35`	`annma`	`oelewapperke: 5, as I said`
`15:11.47`	`AL13N_work`	`how many .nl and .be people are here anyay`
`15:11.52`	`AL13N_work`	`*anyway`
`15:11.59`	`AL13N_work`	`it seems there's like tons of them`
`15:12.00`	`AL13N_work`	`in here`
`15:12.03`	`annma`	`fr here`
`15:12.13`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: your name looked french`
`15:12.29`	`AL13N_work`	`oelewapperke looks .nl`
`15:12.33`	`annma`	`it i s Algerian in fact`
`15:12.37`	`AL13N_work`	`ah`
`15:12.41`	`annma`	`my husband father was born in Algeria`
`15:12.49`	`AL13N_work`	`i was referring to the first name`
`15:12.51`	`AL13N_work`	`though`
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`15:12.54`	`annma`	`ah :) yes`
`15:12.55`	`AL13N_work`	`;-)`
`15:13.03`	`AL13N_work`	`i'm from .be`
`15:13.24`	`AL13N_work`	`oops`
`15:13.33`	`oelewapperke`	`annma: you live in the city ?`
`15:13.33`	`AL13N_work`	`biggest accidental insult ever`
`15:13.43`	`Moe`	`annma: Can I provide you with any other vital information snipplets that might help resolving this matter? ksmserver isn't exactly very explainatory ..`
`15:13.59`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: what is your advice for kids? wait some more, or get it asap?`
`15:14.27`	`oelewapperke`	`AL13N_work: remember you (or rather your wife) don't have forever`
`15:14.36`	`AL13N_work`	`my wife is only 25`
`15:14.41`	`AL13N_work`	`she has all the time in the world`
`15:14.50`	`annma`	`wait until you're ready but when you have one, it'll all be OK and easy and natural`
`15:14.51`	`AL13N_work`	`no?`
`15:14.56`	`annma`	`yes!`
`15:15.06`	`oelewapperke`	`if you want to have 5 kids, and want to be safe, you need to start before she turns 30 at least`
`15:15.13`	`annma`	`I had the last one at 40+`
`15:15.30`	`AL13N_work`	`pfff, 30, i gots all the time in the world`
`15:15.44`	`oelewapperke`	`annma: how big are they now then ?`
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`15:16.08`	`annma`	`20 19 17 9 and 20months`
`15:16.17`	`annma`	`20 19 17 9 years and 20months`
`15:16.18`	`AL13N_work`	`20 months?`
`15:16.28`	`annma`	`last one, yes`
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`15:16.45`	`oelewapperke`	`must be nice at Christmas :-p`
`15:16.46`	`AL13N_work`	`lol, i didn't think it was possible to have one: 20 months, 19 months, etc...`
`15:17.00`	`annma`	`Moe: it never worked?`
`15:17.07`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: any more coming your way?`
`15:17.09`	`annma`	`ah`
`15:17.23`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: so your saying twin's can't be born 1 and 3 months apart? =p`
`15:17.24`	`annma`	`oelewapperke: the first 4 are in years`
`15:17.37`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: you're saying they can???`
`15:17.42`	`Moe`	`annma: It works when I run it as root`
`15:17.48`	`kristjan_`	`annma: what os do your kids use? :-)`
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`15:17.53`	`annma`	`20 years old, 19 years old, 17 years old, 9 years old and 20 months old`
`15:17.54`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: if that was the case this is the first case I've ever heard of.`
`15:17.56`	`AL13N_work`	`lol kristjan_`
`15:18.06`	`annma`	`kristjan_: ah unfortunately, windows`
`15:18.09`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: thought so`
`15:18.32`	`annma`	`:)`
`15:18.34`	`AL13N_work`	`(but not the youngest one)`
`15:18.40`	`AL13N_work`	`i hear that's deadly`
`15:18.41`	`annma`	`Moe: ah then it's a permission problem`
`15:18.53`	`tuxick`	`AL13N_work: naw, the young ones are all rubber`
`15:18.57`	`tuxick`	`they bounce back`
`15:19.01`	`AL13N_work`	`tuxick: i donno man`
`15:19.03`	`annma`	`lol`
`15:19.15`	`AL13N_work`	`i hear the head of young ones is very fragile`
`15:19.26`	`AL13N_work`	`that you can barely touch it`
`15:19.31`	`smileaf`	`it'd only be a little brain damage`
`15:19.38`	`tuxick`	`well i can imagine ye`
`15:19.47`	`Moe`	`annma: I guess so .. just wondering what exactly the problem is ..`
`15:19.58`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf, tuxick: how can you joke about something like that?`
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`15:20.13`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: easy, I don't have kids or even a wife/girlfriend`
`15:20.17`	`tuxick`	`what's wrong with joking?`
`15:20.22`	`AL13N_work`	`tuxick: true`
`15:20.25`	`tuxick`	`i wouldn't try it`
`15:20.31`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: boyfriend then?`
`15:20.36`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: heck no!`
`15:20.51`	`AL13N_work`	`what, do you have a problem with homosexuals?`
`15:21.06`	`smileaf`	`just thinking about it would make me wanna puke.`
`15:21.09`	`Moe`	`annma: As I said .. ksmserver doesn't provide any useful output ..`
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`15:21.32`	`annma`	`Moe: check permissions in kde/4/bin`
`15:21.40`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: O.K. better talk about something else then`
`15:21.48`	`Moe`	`annma: For what exactly?`
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`15:21.56`	`tuxick`	`isn't ksm called/used by kdm?`
`15:22.00`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: yep don't wanna do that 20mins before I have to leave for work =p`
`15:22.20`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: easy for me, i just stop working and go home`
`15:22.26`	`annma`	`not sure where it's called in startkde`
`15:22.28`	`AL13N_work`	`i'm already past working hours`
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`15:22.52`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: I got another 9hrs a head of me`
`15:22.56`	`AL13N_work`	`annma, tuxick, Moe: either way, it should be able to run as user`
`15:23.20`	`Moe`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4332 2007-10-26 15:23 ksmserver`
`15:23.22`	`AL13N_work`	`unless X is run as root?`
`15:23.24`	`Moe`	`Looks about right`
`15:23.32`	`Moe`	`No, certainly not`
`15:23.36`	`AL13N_work`	`smileaf: US then?`
`15:23.43`	`smileaf`	`AL13N_work: correct`
`15:23.49`	`Moe`	`Its run by a regular user ..`
`15:24.02`	`AL13N_work`	`Moe: root is not a regular user`
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`15:24.17`	`AL13N_work`	`anyway`
`15:24.19`	`asarch`	`Hi everyone, how is it getting along?`
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`15:24.21`	`AL13N_work`	`later all`
`15:24.25`	`AL13N_work`	`i'm really going home now`
`15:24.26`	`asarch`	`How's the weather?`
`15:24.33`	`asarch`	`One question: Why Kontact shows "Default KOrganizer resurce" twice? Is it SAFE to delete one of this entry?`
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`15:25.16`	`annma`	`Moe: what about other programs in 4/bin, also same permissions?`
`15:25.22`	`annma`	`later AL13N_work`
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`15:26.01`	`AL13N_work`	`still 44/48`
`15:26.15`	`annma`	`:( it'll never finish`
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`15:27.22`	`Moe`	`annma: yea .. except for kcheckpass .. which is set to be suid root .. and kdesud .. which is suid group root`
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`15:27.26`	`nikolavp`	`hmm is there a way to tell konqueror to use my CSS rules for rendering web pages ?`
`15:27.33`	`Moe`	`Or do you call that guid?`
`15:27.33`	`annma`	`weird Moe`
`15:27.43`	`annma`	`mine are all kde4 permissions*`
`15:27.43`	`AL13N_work`	`annma: depeding on how long i still have patience`
`15:27.44`	`Moe`	`Tell me about it`
`15:27.49`	`annma`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 kde4 kde4 13976 Oct 26 17:28 ksmserver*`
`15:27.56`	`annma`	`Moe: ^^`
`15:28.00`	`annma`	`no root here`
`15:28.04`	`annma`	`none`
`15:28.06`	`Moe`	`I compiled the packages as root`
`15:28.12`	`annma`	`ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh`
`15:28.17`	`annma`	`you did NOT follow the doc!!!!!!!!`
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`15:28.24`	`AL13N_work`	`lol`
`15:28.30`	`annma`	`then you run as root!`
`15:28.39`	`Moe`	`uhm`
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`15:29.26`	`Moe`	`Every other X related component I know of has its permissions set to root .. and unless the 'Other' permissions are set to '5' as well .. that shouldn't be an issue`
`15:29.29`	`annma`	`why compile as root?`
`15:29.43`	`annma`	`what is your distro?`
`15:29.49`	`Moe`	`Lunar Linux`
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`15:30.07`	`annma`	`is it a build-it-yourself? or packages?`
`15:30.12`	`Moe`	`I'm a package maintainer .. I'm currently trying to figure out how to get the beta into our repository`
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`15:30.42`	`Moe`	`You might call it gentoo'ish .. we have our own build system though .. bash based`
`15:30.54`	`Moe`	`That shouldn't be an issue though .. everything compiled fine and smooth`
`15:31.05`	`ApOwen`	`having issues with video playback`
`15:31.18`	`Gentle`	`Moe: your entire package manager is written in bash?`
`15:31.21`	`Moe`	`The only thing I'm hanging at right now is that particular ksmserver error`
`15:31.25`	`Moe`	`nod`
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`15:31.54`	`smileaf`	`Gentle: bash package managers are actually quite easy to make.`
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`15:32.16`	`Gentle`	`smileaf: sure, just rather inefficient and maybe slow when it comes to deep dependency checking and such`
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`15:32.42`	`Moe`	`annma: So you're suggesting that only that particular user .. in your case 'kde4' is able to run a KDE4 environment?`
`15:32.54`	`annma`	`him and root`
`15:33.03`	`Moe`	`hm`
`15:33.10`	`annma`	`but I never run root`
`15:33.31`	`smileaf`	`can't say when I made a package manager I ever got to implementing dependency checking, but everything else was very fast.`
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`15:34.47`	`Moe`	`annma: Thats kind of a strange approach if you ask me .. shouldn't any user to able to run its own KDE environment instead of limiting the userbase to a sole user and root?`
`15:35.04`	`Moe`	`How's that going to work out in a multi-user environment?`
`15:35.11`	`annma`	`Moe: it's in MY case as I have kde3`
`15:35.23`	`annma`	`anyway that's not the problem`
`15:35.33`	`annma`	`building as root is not a good idea`
`15:35.42`	`annma`	`I don't know anything about packages`
`15:35.58`	`annma`	`so you want to mail kde-devel mailing list about it probably`
`15:36.08`	`Moe`	`hm`
`15:36.14`	`Moe`	`Okay .. thank you for your time`
`15:36.14`	`annma`	`I'm trying to forget thus to be busy`
`15:36.24`	`Jucato`	`hehe :)`
`15:36.25`	`annma`	`it might be a bug`
`15:36.26`	`kristjan_`	`Moe: what are you trying to do? compile kde4 for all users?`
`15:36.30`	`annma`	`as we are in beta`
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`15:36.54`	`Moe`	`kristjan_: Sort of .. at least thats the goal`
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`15:38.02`	`kristjan_`	`Moe: I'm not sure - but this shouldn't matter if you compile as root or regular user with default paths`
`15:38.38`	`Moe`	`I did change the paths on the cmake level .. yet, I doubt thats really an isseu unless there are hardcoded somewhere`
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`15:38.46`	`Moe`	`And all the applications are running if I start them manually`
`15:39.08`	`Moe`	`Like, firing up and X server and starting individual applications .. kwin, plasma ..`
`15:39.15`	`Moe`	`s/and/an`
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`15:40.34`	`annma`	`Moe: try #kde-devel but explain from the start you build as root to make packages`
`15:40.46`	`Moe`	`Sure .. thanks`
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`15:41.36`	`kristjan_`	`you can do "make --uninstall" and see if compiling as regular user will make the difference`
`15:42.01`	`kristjan_`	`(but that would probably take long time, right?)`
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`15:43.52`	`Moe`	`kristjan_: Quite`
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`15:44.08`	`Moe`	`However, if that really is to be the last resort .. sure`
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`15:59.06`	`kristjan_`	`mallize: $HOME/.kde/share/config/klipperrc`
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`16:03.13`	`lnxnt`	`Hello everyone`
`16:03.51`	`lnxnt`	`how can I change the font size of the start menu? I have font size 12 everywhere else but in the menu they are much biger. Looks like a children toy game`
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`16:04.55`	`Jucato`	`KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Fonts -> font for Menu`
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`16:05.38`	`zerwas_`	`The wallpaper of KDE 4 isn't available any more at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktoptheme/widgets/`
`16:06.04`	`lnxnt`	`Jucato: ah ok, thanks`
`16:08.58`	`zerwas_`	`where are the advantages in packaging a PIXMAP into a SVG? (like KDE is doing it for wallpapers)`
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`16:11.01`	`zerwas_`	`okay, they turned into a PNG now http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/wallpapers/plasma-default.png?view=log`
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`16:35.40`	`solemnwarning`	`Hi all`
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`16:53.19`	`lnxnt`	`how can I make 10 pics smaller on command line?`
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`16:56.45`	`shevy`	`what do you mean lnxnt, if you want to resize an i.e. .jpg file, use convert or similar from ImageMagick`
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`16:59.36`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: I want to batch convert`
`16:59.52`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: say 10 images to half of their size`
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`17:01.16`	`shevy`	`well i dont remember the exact command, you have to google a bit. the snippet you can adjust is on http://pastie.caboo.se/111235`
`17:02.07`	`Ace2016`	`how do i asign a key to a dcop command?`
`17:02.36`	`benJIman`	`Ace2016: kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> input actions`
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`17:03.39`	`Ace2016`	`that does not detect the key`
`17:04.34`	`Ace2016`	`xev shows it as keys 174 and 176`
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`17:05.24`	`lnxnt`	shevy: convert: unable to open image `*.jpg': No such file or directory.
`17:06.07`	`Ace2016`	`maybe there are no .jpg files in the directory, or the directory name has spaces in it`
`17:06.39`	`shevy`	`lnxnt of course you have to be in the dir with the files etc..`
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`17:08.34`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: yes I am there`
`17:08.48`	`FreshPrince`	`and what gives "ls" for an output?`
`17:09.32`	`FreshPrince`	`or ls \| grep .jpg"`
`17:09.36`	`shevy`	`lnxnt, where do you have your 10 pics?`
`17:09.56`	`lnxnt`	`in folder fotos`
`17:10.47`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: I have copied the bash script into folder fotos`
`17:11.25`	`shevy`	`hmm`
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`17:12.42`	`shevy`	`lnxnt, you can move the script to PATH like /usr/bin or somewhere... but the simplest solution is to "cd /that/folder" and copy/paste the script into bash (or zsh, whatever u use)...`
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`17:17.51`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: ok sorry, I found out that my files end with JPG instead jpg`
`17:18.18`	`shevy`	`sounds like a quick and easy change :)`
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`17:18.27`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: :)`
`17:18.49`	`aseigo`	`grep -i jpg =)`
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`17:22.23`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: ok this fotos now are really smaller ;)`
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`17:22.55`	`shevy`	`convert... or better ImageMagick, really has pretty much all options you will ever need for image manipulation on cmdline :)`
`17:23.15`	`shevy`	`http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-processing.php`
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`17:24.06`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: they just look a bit 'box'y now :)`
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`17:27.03`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: I think if I say -resize 50% it should be smoother`
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`17:27.32`	`shevy`	`yeah.... i didnt use imagemagick for like 2 years hehe`
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`17:28.13`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: ok :) now looks definitely better`
`17:28.16`	`lnxnt`	`shevy: nice tool`
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`18:20.49`	`Ace2016`	`how do i turn the command i find in kdcop to one i can run in konsole and as one i can asign as a shortcut?`
`18:21.03`	`pinotree`	`Ace2016: drag it`
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`18:21.29`	`Ace2016`	`damn never thought of the obvious`
`18:21.42`	`Ace2016`	`i would never have thought it was that simple, ever`
`18:21.43`	`hellhound`	`is there a way to send a key combination (alt-left) whena mouse button is pressed.... btnx is not working for me`
`18:21.57`	`pinotree`	`and the combobox in the toolbar makes you configure the programming language`
`18:22.28`	`Ungi`	`buy`
`18:22.38`	`pinotree`	`?`
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`18:23.07`	`Ace2016`	`hellhound: what is the overall effect you are trying to achieve?`
`18:23.24`	`Ace2016`	`does alt-left bind to say a shortcut you want to run or something?`
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`18:24.20`	`hellhound`	`Ace2016: i am trying to get my back and forward buttons on my mouse to work in both firefox and dolphin... firefox is working fine and I changed dolphin's shortcuts to match firefoxes, but dolphin does not recognize the buttons`
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`18:27.06`	`Ace2016`	`i don't have dolphin so i can't help`
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`18:28.00`	`hellhound`	`Ace2016: the issue also happens with Konqueror as well`
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`18:32.29`	`Ace2016`	`he`
`18:32.51`	`Ace2016`	`hellhound: this should work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=344068`
`18:33.01`	`Ace2016`	`he did the same thing as you but with different buttons i think`
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`18:35.06`	`hellhound`	`Ace2016: i think this might work. Thank you`
`18:35.25`	`duns_s`	`hi`
`18:36.07`	`Ace2016`	`hi`
`18:38.26`	`duns_s`	`once i active my keyboard handling via the control center my keyboard setup gets screwed up`
`18:38.55`	`duns_s`	`i have updated my debian unstable/testing to kde 3.5.8 during the last week/weekend and have the problem roughly since one week`
`18:39.49`	`duns_s`	`the language set for keys is okay, but i cannot use the arrow keys or @`
`18:40.08`	`Ace2016`	`Anyone know a non kde specific way of setting a keyboard shortcut so that when i run x using X & DISPLAY=:0 ut2004 my keyboard shortcuts work, i want to asign ' dcop kmix Mixer0 decreaseVolume deviceidx ' to α (alpha if you don't see the character) so that i can control the sound when i'm playing ut2004 and also when i'm using kde`
`18:40.24`	`duns_s`	`any help`
`18:40.25`	`AmyRose`	`Jucato: I wish Liberation Mono had a mark on the zeros :P`
`18:40.45`	`AmyRose`	`but otherwise, I like your suggestion :D`
`18:40.47`	`duns_s`	`if i deactivate the layouts the english one works...`
`18:41.21`	`duns_s`	`which config file resets to default kde settings`
`18:41.24`	`Ace2016`	`isn't it possible to switch keyboard keys another way and asign it to a shortcut?`
`18:41.57`	`Ace2016`	`is it just the keyboard and not apps changing their language right?`
`18:41.59`	`AmyRose`	`Ace2016: I am pretty sure you can`
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`18:43.28`	`AmyRose`	`Is there a way to force Konsole to use a font it doesn't recognize as monospaced without editing the config file?`
`18:43.35`	`Ace2016`	`i think you can use setxkbmap to set the keyboard layout,`
`18:43.53`	`Ace2016`	`edit the font file?`
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`18:45.34`	`Ace2016`	`duns_s: you can use the command "setxkbmap us" and "setxkbmap us"`
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`18:46.31`	`duns_s`	`Ace2016: thanks`
`18:46.32`	`Ace2016`	`duns_s: you can use the command "setxkbmap us" and "setxkbmap gb" for example to change between gb and us layouts, just asign one to one key combo and the other to another key combo and there you have it, keyboard layout switching without using kcontrol's thing which is where i'm assuming the problem lies`
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`18:48.28`	`duns_s`	`Ace2016: mmh, as soon as i do "setxkbmap de" the arrow keys map to some shortcut`
`18:48.54`	`duns_s`	`for KSnapshot`
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`18:51.17`	`Ace2016`	`don't quite understand what you mean there`
`18:52.09`	`duns_s`	`mmh once i have used setxkbmap it changes my arrow keys and other special keys to nothing, normal charakters, or a shortcut to KSnapshot`
`18:53.06`	`Ace2016`	`so the problem lies with your de keymap and not kde`
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`18:53.40`	`Ace2016`	`you could manually fix that by using xmodmap`
`18:54.07`	`soon`	`I need a recommendation: which PDA to use with my Kubuntu box (Korganizer) ?????`
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`18:56.49`	`clarjon1`	`Hey, is kcontrol in the kdebase package of most linux distros?`
`18:57.19`	`SimAtWork`	`i think all?`
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`18:57.32`	`Ace2016`	`look at the file /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h, then run xev, find which button it is, e.g 174, then in the file find the thing you want to set it to, e.g XK_Greek_ALPHA, now run xmodmap -e "keycode 174 = Greek_ALPHA" this will set key 174 as alpha, when you change back to us it clears the xmodmap settings so you might want to do something like "setxkbmap us" to switch to us and "setxkbmap de & xmodmap -e ... & xmodmap -e .." to switch to de and`
`18:57.32`	`Ace2016`	`make everything work, i'm sure there is a better way`
`18:57.49`	`clarjon1`	`I mean, is that the package to find kcontrol in.`
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`18:58.09`	`Ace2016`	`what distro do you use?`
`18:58.27`	`SimAtWork`	`primarilly, gentoo`
`18:59.37`	`Ace2016`	`debian for example has kcontrol in a package called kcontrol so i guess most distros don't include it in kdebase`
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`19:00.21`	`Ace2016`	`i wonder if ubuntu also has a separate kcontrol file`
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`19:01.27`	`Ace2016`	`yea ubuntu also puts it into its own kcontrol package`
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`19:02.25`	`maki_`	`who created kgoldrunner?`
`19:02.33`	`clarjon1`	`OK, so it is in kdebase. Oh, by the way, I use PCLinuxOS. Someone in th supprt channel was asking, so I thought I'd ask here...`
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`19:04.20`	`maki_`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Fighter this would be a great kdegame`
`19:05.32`	`emss`	`debian sid, kde 3.5.8, kde refuses to start, how do I find out why?`
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`19:05.56`	`clarjon1`	`maki_ To find out who created kgoldrunner, start the game, Help->About kgoldruner, then click on the authors tab.`
`19:07.01`	`maki_`	`clarjon1: ok thanks`
`19:07.02`	`emss`	`if I run kicker from a terminal it starts, but I can click anywhere on it, kmenu/taskbar etc.`
`19:07.09`	`emss`	`can/can't`
`19:07.35`	`maki_`	`i would like more clones of arcade games in kde4 :)`
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`19:10.02`	`Ace2016`	`emss: tried running start kde from a terminal did it give anything interesting?`
`19:10.49`	`emss`	`Ace2016: no`
`19:10.59`	`emss`	`Ace2016: yes I tried, but nothing interesting`
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`19:12.45`	`emss`	`I'm seeing this, klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'.`
`19:12.57`	`emss`	`when running konqueror`
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`19:13.43`	`emss`	`when I run kicker, I cannot use the dcop kicker Panel restart command`
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`19:15.25`	`emss`	`when I startkde the ksplash screen stalls on Initializing system services`
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`19:16.08`	`Ace2016`	`sure its not just taking a long time? mine took a relatively long time to start on its first run`
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`19:16.48`	`clarjon1`	`emss: See if there's any files in your home directory (hidden ones especially) that are owned by root.`
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`19:33.57`	`KDEusr`	`where can i get qt4?`
`19:34.00`	`KDEusr`	`source`
`19:34.12`	`pinotree`	`KDEusr: #qt please`
`19:34.26`	`KDEusr`	`thanks`
`19:34.31`	`KDEusr`	`i tried qt4 as channel`
`19:37.59`	`ICQnumber`	`KDEusr, i guess it is already istalled in ur distro`
`19:38.19`	`KDEusr`	`what do you mean?`
`19:38.30`	`KDEusr`	`lol`
`19:38.42`	`ICQnumber`	`or u can get it from repo`
`19:39.23`	`KDEusr`	`i have qt3.*`
`19:39.26`	`KDEusr`	`i forget`
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`19:39.36`	`KDEusr`	`but i need qt4.3 to compile kde4`
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`19:43.14`	`Indust`	`Hi all! pls : monitor @ vga-out (laptop) is fine at session manager - but stops displaying while starting KDE ... ( but it worked on older KDE )`
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`19:43.47`	`plazm`	`whats the application called that gnome use to show the volume state when you turn it up or down? And is there any such for kde?`
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`19:44.15`	`pinotree`	`about the gnome application, we don't have the bare idea`
`19:44.23`	`pinotree`	`about kde, use kmilo`
`19:44.52`	`plazm`	`pinotree: well the gnome thingy was just to get a name, i dont like it, but it was the only one i knew`
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`19:47.06`	`emss`	`think I figured out why kde isn't working`
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`19:55.19`	`plazm`	`okay, now i've install kmilo, but nothing shows up.. how do i configure it?`
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`19:57.15`	`emss`	`plazm: kcontrol / KDE components/services`
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`19:58.09`	`plazm`	`emss: but there im only able to start/stop it?`
`19:58.31`	`emss`	`plazm: yes`
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`19:59.20`	`plazm`	`emss: but the shortcutkeys works fine with acpid, but theres no dialogs from kmilo that show im turning the volume up and down`
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`20:12.29`	`nikolavp`	`hmm is there any way to convert a normal 10 digit number to a binary ?`
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`20:13.14`	`boom1992_`	`nikolavp: ?? you can write c++-code and compile it ;-)`
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`20:13.56`	`nikolavp`	`hmm i am no talking about that kind of binary`
`20:13.57`	`nikolavp`	`:D`
`20:14.15`	`plazm`	`hmm i cant make kmilo working, even though its running`
`20:14.15`	`nikolavp`	`hmm something like 3(10) = 110(2)`
`20:14.18`	`troy`	`nikolavp: there's probably a simple perl or python one-liner that can do that for you...`
`20:14.25`	`nikolavp`	`but when it comes to big one like 255 it is not so easy :D`
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`20:16.30`	`nikolavp`	`ah i found it :d`
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`20:17.06`	`nikolavp`	`hmm troy kcalc is always been more beautiful :)`
`20:17.19`	`nikolavp`	`i just want to calculate the netmask for my network...`
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`20:59.57`	`Armand`	`I can't get it to display video from someone's webcam.`
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`21:00.08`	`timrs`	`what protocol?`
`21:00.16`	`timrs`	`AIM, MSN?`
`21:00.17`	`Armand`	`MSN`
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`21:00.41`	`timrs`	`oh.. i think thats supported. i used a webcam over msn protocol once..`
`21:00.42`	`Armand`	`It pops up the request, I click Yes, it disappears..`
`21:00.50`	`Armand`	`no video.`
`21:01.00`	`timrs`	`does the other person have to aprove or something?`
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`21:01.16`	`Armand`	`Don't know.. I've not touched Msngr in ages.`
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`21:01.26`	`timrs`	`i don't really know...`
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`21:01.32`	`Armand`	`Hated it before Live came out. :P`
`21:01.41`	`Armand`	`and, bugger. >_<`
`21:02.05`	`Armand`	`I think it's something to do with my system, as it's a pita with DVD playback.`
`21:02.06`	`timrs`	`wen i was a windows n00b... aim and msn were the only options.. now we have irc`
`21:02.22`	`Armand`	`IRC is ages old..`
`21:02.31`	`Armand`	`older than IM, I'm sure.. ?`
`21:02.37`	`tuxick`	`LOL`
`21:02.38`	`timrs`	`yup`
`21:02.44`	`timrs`	`im jus saying...`
`21:02.47`	`tuxick`	`Armand: even older than MSN!`
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`21:02.59`	`Armand`	`I think so.. :P`
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`21:03.05`	`timrs`	`bak in the day wen i was a windows n00b... never heard of it...`
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`21:03.28`	`Armand`	`I've been on internets since '93.. don't recall MSN until '98 I think.`
`21:03.44`	`Armand`	`Used IRC since day 1. :)`
`21:04.12`	`timrs`	`irc was developed by either gov't or irc for stuff...`
`21:04.38`	`Armand`	`I thought it came from the Universities? (SP?)`
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`21:05.47`	`timrs`	`RC was created by Jarkko "WiZ" Oikarinen in late August 1988 to replace a program called MUT (MultiUser talk) on a BBS called OuluBox in Finland. Oikarinen found inspiration in a chat system known as Bitnet Relay, which operated on the BITNET.`
`21:05.52`	`timrs`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irc`
`21:06.09`	`timrs`	`i cut out part of the first part on accident...`
`21:06.18`	`Armand`	`cool. :)`
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`21:06.31`	`Neutrinux`	`hi how to put basket back in kontact in 3.5.8????`
`21:06.52`	`timrs`	`u can get a rpm package at basket.kde.org i think`
`21:07.54`	`timrs`	`why is something always down... i can't get to wiki.kde.org...`
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`21:11.16`	`_da98`	`Hi. Where can I get more action menu items for konqueror?`
`21:12.46`	`timrs`	`they should be in like $KDEDIR/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/`
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`21:13.26`	`timrs`	`just add .desktop files to $KDEDIR/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ --the existing ones should be great examples`
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`21:15.08`	`klontra`	`i'm building katapult and i am getting this error ... any ideas? http://www.pastebin.ca/750876`
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`21:16.44`	`timrs`	`maybe u should ask in like #kde-devel or something`
`21:18.51`	`sredna`	`lontra: what kde version?`
`21:19.00`	`lontra`	`3.5.7`
`21:19.22`	`sredna`	`lontra: and how did you install kde?`
`21:19.34`	`lontra`	`binary packages ... mandriva`
`21:19.48`	`sredna`	`install the -devel packages for kdelibs and kdepim`
`21:19.53`	`sredna`	`lontra: ^`
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`21:21.34`	`lontra`	`sredna: thanks`
`21:22.23`	`lontra`	`sredna: that did it thanks`
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`22:04.20`	`shal3r`	`Is it possible to somehow add buttons to konsole for executing commands in terminal? ;)`
`22:04.52`	`shevy`	`hehe`
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`22:10.13`	`arrummzen`	`How can I set the language for spell checking in kate?`
`22:11.36`	`sredna`	`arrummzen: the kde global setting`
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`22:12.41`	`arrummzen`	`sredna: hmmm... alright.`
`22:13.15`	`sredna`	`arrummzen: unless the spell dialog allows you to set it...`
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`22:17.41`	`ganymede`	`shal3r: good idea; i may write it. except a commit or patch to do that for you.`
`22:18.00`	`shal3r`	`;)`
`22:18.14`	`shal3r`	`i am looking for already coded patches but nothing found`
`22:18.49`	`shal3r`	`that would be very usefull to add buttons like "ssh root@myremotebox" or "vim /etc/apache2/conf/vhosts/vhosts.conf" and etc.`
`22:19.10`	`koreano`	`upgrade to kde4`
`22:19.29`	`shal3r`	`koreano, kde4 have it?`
`22:19.46`	`koreano`	`no`
`22:19.52`	`shal3r`	`lol :D`
`22:21.00`	`koreano`	`install kde4 ?`
`22:21.19`	`ganymede`	`shal3r: ...expect that commit in four months or so, lol`
`22:21.36`	`shal3r`	`i will wait for final release ;)`
`22:22.00`	`shal3r`	`and i have plan to buy new PC when KDE4 will be released :)`
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`22:28.06`	`koreano`	`come devo aggiornare kde?`
`22:28.11`	`koreano`	`con la versione 4`
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`22:41.53`	`sebbar`	`!it`
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`22:43.25`	`sebbar`	`hmm what's the italian kde channel? (if any)`
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`22:43.38`	`sebbar`	`anyway, koreano: english here`
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`22:56.12`	`maximum`	`I need help`
`22:56.25`	`maximum`	`wer kann mir helfen`
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`22:56.40`	`maximum`	`kto mozrt mne pomo4`
`22:56.45`	`ganymede`	`can kdpf tell me the size of a page in pdf?`
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`22:59.12`	`maximum`	`wo finde ich treiber für linux..ich muss mein scanner installieren und das system erkennt das ding nicht`
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`23:00.42`	`grepper`	`ganymede: dunno, but the 'identify' command from imagemagick should be able to`
`23:01.36`	`ganymede`	`grepper: thanks, but i'm too lazy to compile imagemagick now`
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`23:03.55`	`grepper`	`using fit 100% and using kruler :)`
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`23:04.42`	`ganymede`	`in that case, i don't want to compile kruler`
`23:05.10`	`andresj`	`ganymede, you are using gentoo?`
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`23:06.27`	`andresj`	`ganymede, you can go to File>Properties in kpdf, it might say there...`
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`23:21.08`	`Nyle`	`does compiz fusion work with kde ?`
`23:22.05`	`SimAtWork`	`beryl does`
`23:22.08`	`SimAtWork`	`compiz fusion should too`
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`23:24.13`	`kris`	`hello?`
`23:24.17`	`ICQnumber`	`Nyle, yes`
`23:24.32`	`Nyle`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:24.41`	`kris`	`hey, is there a way to make google earth work?`
`23:24.47`	`timrs`	`lol`
`23:25.03`	`kris`	`i've tried it on 3 distros and the thing chokes on initialization`
`23:25.18`	`timrs`	`google earth works when i delete the ~/.google-earth folder and try again.. and try again and again...`
`23:25.36`	`kris`	`um... huh??`
`23:26.03`	`kris`	`meh..`
`23:26.04`	`timrs`	`delete the .googleearth folder in your home directory`
`23:26.08`	`kris`	`ok`
`23:26.11`	`kris`	`then?`
`23:26.12`	`timrs`	`and try googleearth again`
`23:26.26`	`timrs`	`then delete it again and try again.. keep doing that until it works`
`23:26.31`	`timrs`	`that works for me :)`
`23:26.44`	`kris`	`so i have to delete it everytime i want to use it?`
`23:26.49`	`timrs`	`no`
`23:27.00`	`timrs`	`i don't know why that makes it work..`
`23:27.10`	`kris`	`o.0`
`23:27.16`	`timrs`	`but once it works it shouldn't stop working..`
`23:27.19`	`kris`	`brb`
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`23:28.39`	`kris`	`you mean she`
`23:29.01`	`timrs`	`know, i mean i think i sound crazy.. im talking about me in 3rd person`
`23:29.06`	`kris`	`ah`
`23:29.07`	`kris`	`word`
`23:29.08`	`kris`	`o.0`
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`23:31.01`	`timrs`	`don't try to many times..`
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`23:31.23`	`timrs`	`u could always go to google's website and look at their troobleshooting things....`
`23:31.52`	`timrs`	`or run googleearth from command line and see the output.. when it crashes on me it yields no output in a console`
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`23:32.54`	`kris`	`mier`
`23:32.56`	`kris`	`>.<`
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`23:34.05`	`kris`	`blah`
`23:34.06`	`kris`	`reboot`
`23:34.08`	`kris`	`>.<`
`23:34.14`	`timrs`	`don't reboot...`
`23:34.21`	`timrs`	`aww, too late...`
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`23:35.55`	`ganymede`	`andresj: the meta info doesn't include page size but thanks`
`23:36.24`	`hexidigital`	`hi. i've been unable to find out if knemo supports WPA on FreeBSD -- and I can't think of anywhere else to ask besides ##freebsd (and no responses)`
`23:36.53`	`timrs`	`isn't knemo a frontend for something else?`
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`23:37.20`	`hexidigital`	`i thought it was a frontend for network-manager, but now i'm doubting it`
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`23:38.34`	`timrs`	`oh, i have that..`
`23:38.44`	`lontra`	`no ... knetworkmanager is the frontend for network-manager`
`23:38.45`	`timrs`	`knemo has nothing to do with WPA`
`23:39.14`	`timrs`	`network-manager supports WPA i think..`
`23:39.17`	`hexidigital`	`ah, ok.. than I was misunderstanding it`
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`23:39.28`	`timrs`	`but i think it doesn't support like WPA enterprise somethiing....`
`23:39.35`	`hexidigital`	`timrs: yes, it does -- but I can't find a WPA port`
`23:39.43`	`hexidigital`	`s/port/FreeBSD port`
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`23:39.57`	`hexidigital`	`er, network-manager port, even... sorry, long day today`
`23:40.15`	`hexidigital`	`ok, thanks folks`
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`23:44.46`	`dli`	`strange error`
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`23:45.57`	`dli`	`kudar_, fdisk -l`
`23:46.02`	`dli`	`kudar_, or, df -h`
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