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| 00:06.56 | bren | is this thing working? |
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| 00:10.53 | idem | bren > hu... yes ? |
| 00:11.34 | bren | cheers idem - i think there's a problem with my connection - my messages aren't always appearing and the room looked a little dead :) |
| 00:13.00 | idem | ok |
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| 00:14.04 | idem | so, if you want human packets acknowledges, you arrived at 14 minutes ago and only said « is this thing working?» seven minutes ago |
| 00:15.23 | bren | cheers idem - that's a big help I'll try restarting - thins thing is being a real pain in the ass :( |
| 00:15.26 | bren | many thanks |
| 00:15.40 | idem | no problem |
| 00:15.47 | idem | this #kde |
| 00:15.51 | idem | this is #kde * |
| 00:15.56 | idem | it's dedicated to every problems |
| 00:16.01 | idem | except KDe-related ones :D |
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| 00:37.08 | JohnFlux | Does this sound okay for a tooltip: |
| 00:37.10 | JohnFlux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:39.53 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: "The CPU usage that this process is currently using" is fugly |
| 00:40.04 | JohnFlux | yeah |
| 00:40.08 | JohnFlux | fix it :P |
| 00:40.11 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Get rid of that "use" dupe :) |
| 00:40.16 | JohnFlux | hmm |
| 00:40.42 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: "The current CPU usage of the process, divided by the number of processors in the machine." |
| 00:41.19 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: And "the number of processors" I find technically objectionable given multi-core CPUs. Might have to use "logical processors" or something, but then it gets nerdy again. |
| 00:41.28 | JohnFlux | it's the number of cores |
| 00:41.53 | JohnFlux | but "current cpu usage" isn't all that clear in the first place |
| 00:42.05 | JohnFlux | for a multi core system |
| 00:43.08 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: yeah |
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| 00:45.05 | JohnFlux | maybe a different approach |
| 00:45.25 | JohnFlux | "Percentage of total CPU power" :-D |
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| 00:45.33 | JohnFlux | or something |
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| 00:49.33 | jgb | is it possible to rename a konsole session from the command line, instead of using the right click menu? |
| 00:49.54 | idem | you may make an alias or script for a dcop command |
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| 00:51.44 | jgb | idem: thanks. something like this? dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface setColor '#ffffff' false |
| 00:51.47 | idem | Ctrl+Alt+S |
| 00:51.58 | tdrusk | How can I make small launcher icons like in kubuntu? |
| 00:52.35 | jgb | idem: I want to have the tab renamed depending on what I'm running, I've got a lot of tabs and I have to click around to find the right one all the time |
| 00:52.54 | idem | jgb > then go for the dcop script |
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| 00:53.16 | idem | tdrusk > try right click > add applet > applications launcher |
| 00:53.16 | aseigo | tdrusk: right click on panel -> add applets -> quick launcher |
| 00:53.33 | idem | I think aseigo has the good name |
| 00:54.32 | tdrusk | idem: thanks :) |
| 00:54.50 | idem | thank aseigo |
| 00:55.06 | tdrusk | idem: is there a way I can make it so I can just have icons in there? |
| 00:55.10 | tdrusk | not automatic |
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| 00:55.17 | mxttie | any idea how i would add the "show desktop" icon to the quicklauncher? :) |
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| 00:55.37 | aseigo | mxttie: that you can't |
| 00:55.44 | mxttie | tdrusk, see config |
| 00:55.48 | mxttie | mm, i see.. |
| 00:56.05 | aseigo | mxttie: hm.. well, actually, that's not completely true. |
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| 00:56.17 | mxttie | i guess i'll remove the button and use the shortcut instead ;) |
| 00:56.18 | mxttie | enlighten me then :) |
| 00:56.19 | mxttie | plz |
| 00:56.31 | mxttie | some nasty hack? ;) |
| 00:57.00 | aseigo | mxttie: you could make an icon that runs: dcop kicker kicker toggleShowDesktop |
| 00:57.09 | aseigo | mxttie: and then drag that into the quick launcher |
| 00:57.22 | mxttie | thanks, i had thought of that but didn't find the command |
| 00:57.24 | mxttie | aseigo, thanks! |
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| 00:59.18 | mxttie | it works excellent =) |
| 00:59.47 | mxttie | i do get some silly launch feedback, but that's probably because i choose the wrong kind of link (application) |
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| 01:00.25 | aseigo | mxttie: you can turn off launch feedback in the .desktop file |
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| 01:00.59 | mxttie | aseigo, it's handy to be online when you're awake ;) |
| 01:01.04 | juan_ | hi! i have a small problem, my kmail doesnt downloas any attachments, i am usung kubuntu gusty |
| 01:01.12 | aseigo | put StartupNotify=false in the [Desktop Entry] section |
| 01:01.21 | aseigo | mxttie: haha.. i can be helpful now and again |
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| 01:02.04 | aseigo | juan_: do you have load attachments on demand turned on in the account configuration? |
| 01:02.43 | juan_ | let's see |
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| 01:04.19 | mxttie | ok, thanks, it works, again more space saved in the taskbar! |
| 01:04.22 | GuyFromHell | okay i give, is there like some cheatsheet or something on how to use dcop effectively? I can't figure out how to make a klipper action to send mail... |
| 01:04.27 | juan_ | i am in the account configuration and i do not see anything resembling what you said aseigo |
| 01:04.41 | aseigo | juan_: is it a pop account or an imap account? |
| 01:05.18 | juan_ | both |
| 01:05.21 | aseigo | GuyFromHell: fire up kdcop ... it's a graphical dcop browser.. then you can drag 'n drop things into a text editor (or command line) |
| 01:05.43 | GuyFromHell | oh jeebus |
| 01:06.04 | juan_ | one is yahoo, and the other is netscape |
| 01:06.05 | mxttie | no, deebus is the new version ;) |
| 01:06.14 | aseigo | juan_: heh... ok, in imap it's called "Load attachments on demand" .. i'm not sure which (if any) of the pop3 options would do what you suggest |
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| 01:06.22 | aseigo | mxttie: haha |
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| 01:06.30 | mxttie | :) |
| 01:06.37 | mxttie | i'm off to sleep, 3am.. |
| 01:06.40 | juan_ | let's see |
| 01:06.43 | mxttie | cya |
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| 01:09.10 | juan_ | aseigo: in my imap account, i have that option checked |
| 01:09.17 | curtmack | wow |
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| 01:10.01 | juan_ | aseigo: should i uncheck load attachments on demand? |
| 01:10.05 | curtmack | I cannot imagine the confusion that would lead to putting "Do not delete ~/.kde" in the channel topic |
| 01:10.26 | idem | I'm gonna sleep - Good Night all |
| 01:10.33 | juan_ | night |
| 01:10.54 | curtmack | anyway, is there any more convenient way to configure khotkeys than manually editing ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc? |
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| 01:14.11 | skraelings | curtmack, uhm..kcontrol -> accesibility -> shortcuts |
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| 01:24.56 | curtmack | okay |
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| 01:39.52 | jerbear | when i go to monitor settings and enter administrator mode, and make a change, the OK button is grayed out... what's going on? |
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| 02:07.19 | KDEusr | could someone point me to kdebase source? |
| 02:07.38 | KDEusr | i need to download the source so i can patch it with the transparency patch |
| 02:07.48 | smileaf | http://kde.org/download/ |
| 02:07.53 | Jucato | what release, what distro? |
| 02:07.57 | Jucato | hi smileaf |
| 02:08.01 | smileaf | Jucato: hiya |
| 02:08.07 | KDEusr | pclinuxos |
| 02:08.17 | KDEusr | im havin trouble, i downloaded kde base from there and i cant get the patch to work with it |
| 02:08.26 | Jucato | ah... since it uses apt, maybe apt-get source kdebase |
| 02:08.27 | KDEusr | patch -p0 <patchname> dont work |
| 02:08.35 | KDEusr | its not apt, its rpm based |
| 02:08.43 | Jucato | patch -p0 < patchname |
| 02:08.49 | KDEusr | it uses synaptic, but it pulls rpm |
| 02:08.49 | Jucato | pclos uses apt-rpm |
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| 02:08.54 | KDEusr | there ya go |
| 02:09.01 | Jucato | because synaptic only works w/ apt |
| 02:09.01 | smileaf | KDEusr: make sure your in the right directory. |
| 02:09.04 | Jucato | synAPTic |
| 02:09.12 | KDEusr | which dir do i need to be in? |
| 02:09.21 | KDEusr | kdebase/kdesktop right? |
| 02:09.22 | Jucato | depends on the patch |
| 02:09.31 | KDEusr | would you mind giving me a hand? |
| 02:09.34 | Jucato | you'll have look at the top line of the patch |
| 02:09.37 | KDEusr | i've been foolin with this for hours |
| 02:10.02 | KDEusr | kdesktop-3.5.7/kdesktop/main.cc(Revision 671918) |
| 02:10.14 | KDEusr | so i need to be in kdesktop/main.cc? |
| 02:10.18 | Jucato | no |
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| 02:10.30 | Jucato | you need to be in kdesktop/ |
| 02:10.33 | smileaf | thats the file to be patched. |
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| 02:10.54 | KDEusr | well, im in there and it dont seem to be working |
| 02:11.02 | smileaf | actually you need to be in the dir above kdesktop if your gonna use the -p0 option, otherwise you need to do -p1 |
| 02:11.04 | KDEusr | i tried it on this machine and my kubuntu machine as well |
| 02:11.07 | Jucato | ah ok |
| 02:11.13 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.18 | Jucato | yeah sorry, just woke up... |
| 02:11.20 | BigDaddy | Evening all. I am having problems with KTorrent killing my internet connection. Anyone have experience with this? |
| 02:11.58 | KDEusr | smileaf: its still doing the samething............nothing |
| 02:11.59 | rush_ | hi all |
| 02:12.15 | smileaf | KDEusr: what error are you getting? |
| 02:12.32 | KDEusr | it dont do anything at all, it dont even bring me back to a command prompt |
| 02:12.39 | KDEusr | [mike@desktop kdebase-3.5.8]$ patch -p0 kdesktop-transparency-0.1.patch |
| 02:12.56 | KDEusr | and that is a directory overtop of kdesktop |
| 02:13.08 | smileaf | Ok first.. is kdesktop-transparency-0.1.patch in your current directory? |
| 02:13.15 | KDEusr | yes |
| 02:13.24 | Jucato | KDEusr: you forgot the < |
| 02:13.30 | Jucato | patch -p0 < patchname |
| 02:13.31 | smileaf | ah, yes you need the < |
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| 02:13.33 | KDEusr | i've gotta use that? |
| 02:13.37 | Jucato | yes! |
| 02:13.37 | smileaf | yes, or you use -i |
| 02:13.39 | KDEusr | oh, dang. |
| 02:14.08 | KDEusr | now its asking me the file to patch |
| 02:14.25 | KDEusr | can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
| 02:14.25 | KDEusr | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
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| 02:15.02 | smileaf | where did you find that patch? |
| 02:15.16 | KDEusr | somebody sent it to me |
| 02:15.26 | aseigo | KDEusr: what are the file indexes listed in the patch? |
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| 02:16.01 | KDEusr | --- kdesktop-3.5.7/kdesktop/kdesktopapp.h(Revision 0) |
| 02:16.01 | KDEusr | +++ kdesktop-3.5.7/kdesktop/kdesktopapp.h(Revision 0) |
| 02:16.15 | smileaf | ah, you need -p1 |
| 02:16.24 | smileaf | patch -p1 < ... |
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| 02:16.48 | KDEusr | that is -p1 inside of /kdebase-3.5.8/kdebase-3.5.8/kdesktop |
| 02:17.09 | smileaf | ?.. |
| 02:17.16 | smileaf | when you run the command use -p1 not -p0 |
| 02:17.26 | KDEusr | i used -p1 |
| 02:17.30 | KDEusr | in that dir |
| 02:17.47 | KDEusr | [mike@desktop kdesktop]$ patch -p1 < kdesktop-transparency-0.1.patch |
| 02:17.47 | KDEusr | can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
| 02:17.57 | smileaf | cd .. |
| 02:18.04 | smileaf | then run your command again. |
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| 02:18.15 | KDEusr | bingo! |
| 02:18.25 | KDEusr | thanks alot smileaf |
| 02:18.43 | KDEusr | i've been tryin to figure this out since about 4pm today |
| 02:18.52 | KDEusr | and its 10:18 here where im at |
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| 02:20.07 | KDEusr | is there a specific order i need to compile kde3.5.8 in? |
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| 02:20.32 | KDEusr | hold that, let me go read the install instructions |
| 02:20.33 | smileaf | KDEusr: you need the development packages installed |
| 02:20.52 | KDEusr | what do you mean dev packages? |
| 02:21.04 | smileaf | KDEusr: if you have kdelibs-devel install or whatever your distro calls it, you'll be able to build kdebase no problem. |
| 02:21.15 | KDEusr | alright, thanks. |
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| 02:26.26 | KDEusr | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 02:26.27 | tdrusk | I'm using debian edgy. Whenever I try to play a flash song on myspace konqueror just reconnects and reconnects to the myspace music server. Anyway to make it work? |
| 02:26.31 | KDEusr | dont know about thatone |
| 02:26.35 | tdrusk | *etch |
| 02:26.40 | KDEusr | ./configure /usr/local? |
| 02:27.15 | Jucato | tdrusk: try asking in the Debian support channel (on OFTC) |
| 02:27.23 | tdrusk | thanks |
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| 02:27.31 | Jucato | KDEusr: you need xorg-devel or something like that. please ask in #pclinuxos ? |
| 02:28.10 | KDEusr | they banned me for asking for support on 3rd party applications |
| 02:28.16 | KDEusr | or perhaps, im just that annoying |
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| 02:28.24 | Jucato | .... |
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| 02:30.26 | KDEusr | i must need xmkmf devel too |
| 02:30.52 | Jucato | we wouldn't know... |
| 02:30.56 | Jucato | pclos packages. |
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| 02:32.35 | KDEusr | no, i needed to install imake |
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| 02:33.54 | KDEusr | im sorry for being such a pain Jucato |
| 02:34.03 | Jucato | nah |
| 02:34.15 | Jucato | just not easy to name packages that I don't know |
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| 02:36.01 | tdrusk | I found a fix, on the bottom it says standalone player. I clicked that and it worked. :) |
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| 04:18.13 | tonynlisa | Is 3.94 the KDE 4 beta? |
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| 04:30.09 | tonynlisa | Is KDE 3.94 the same as the 4 Beta? |
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| 04:49.53 | DennisWang | kde 3.5.7 |
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| 06:44.06 | Neutrinux | hi! BASKET is no longer integrated in KONTACT since 7.10. How can i reintegrate it??? |
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| 06:59.38 | solar345 | hi all |
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| 07:00.02 | solar345 | is there a way i can stop akregator asking me confirmation everytime I delete a single article |
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| 07:09.06 | sredna | solar345: not unless there is a 'dont ask again' button on the confirmation dialog |
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| 07:10.47 | solar345 | sredna: it iant there , and there is no setting either , I have searched completely :( |
| 07:10.54 | solar345 | I have the habbit of deleteding the feeds as I read |
| 07:11.07 | solar345 | so imagine answering 300+ confirmations a day |
| 07:11.53 | sredna | solar345: file a bug report, use the help->report bug button :) |
| 07:12.14 | sredna | solar345: i'd that that confirmation dialog would be a nice place for a 'dont ask again' button |
| 07:12.28 | solar345 | lol |
| 07:12.30 | solar345 | its not a bug |
| 07:13.04 | sredna | a wish :) |
| 07:13.14 | sredna | that is fine |
| 07:14.06 | solar345 | :) |
| 07:14.07 | solar345 | ok |
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| 07:27.06 | JL__ | lol |
| 07:27.14 | weasd2 | lol |
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| 07:27.27 | weasd2 | hello warriorness |
| 07:27.48 | JL__ | hello to all the beauties, asl pls~ |
| 07:27.53 | warriorness | weasd2: hello |
| 07:28.42 | weasd2 | :D |
| 07:29.52 | weasd2 | bye guys |
| 07:29.59 | weasd2 | and girls |
| 07:30.02 | weasd2 | exit |
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| 07:36.54 | endra | hey |
| 07:37.00 | endra | does kdm use xorg-xinit (startx/xinit)? |
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| 07:41.00 | xoob | hi, what's the library path to kde themes to specify in qtconfig? |
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| 08:00.12 | AL13N_work | annma: 43/48 |
| 08:00.27 | annma | ;) |
| 08:00.38 | AL13N_work | :-/ |
| 08:00.46 | AL13N_work | but it does continue |
| 08:00.48 | AL13N_work | at least |
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| 08:01.51 | Kooshy | Ee.. Yeah.. I forgot about that.. It includes the kernel size as a parameter. |
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| 08:12.16 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | hello.... |
| 08:12.21 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | i have like a stupid question |
| 08:12.53 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | is there a panel application that displays net activity like the "system monitor" one displays cpu / memory loads? |
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| 08:13.56 | sredna | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: several, look at 'apps: monitor' with konqueror ;) |
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| 08:14.45 | packardb | Any luck to see a kde 4.0 RC1 release these days? |
| 08:15.00 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: The "System Monitor" one actually can display net activity |
| 08:15.09 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: Just drag network sensors into it from the KSysguard main app |
| 08:16.39 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | Sho_, elaborate plz |
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| 08:17.08 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | i dunno what a KSysguard is... |
| 08:17.29 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: Start KSysGuard. You'll see a tree of data sources on the left-hand side of the window. You can drag them into the (configurable number of) slots on the "System Monitor" Kicker applet. |
| 08:17.44 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: The "System Monitor" applet is basically an offshoot of KSysGuard |
| 08:17.55 | Sho_ | You'll see when you start it |
| 08:18.12 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | Sho_, woot, thankyou |
| 08:20.33 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | Sho_, i belive you misunderstood meh, but i find your way better :D |
| 08:20.55 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: heh :) |
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| 08:21.51 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | thyvm |
| 08:22.23 | ICQnumber | has konqueror something similar like adblock in firefox? |
| 08:22.38 | Sho_ | ICQnumber: Yes. Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Adblock |
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| 08:23.44 | ICQnumber | Sho_: ty, but there is no filters i can add |
| 08:24.23 | Sho_ | ICQnumber: Get one of the popular filter rule lists of the web, I guess |
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| 08:25.12 | sredna | ICQnumber: whenever you see an ad in konqueror, rightclick it and select 'block images from...' |
| 08:25.33 | sredna | Sho_: and save it to...? |
| 08:26.00 | Sho_ | sredna: The dialog page has an "Import" button |
| 08:26.09 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | Sho_, where do i configure the number of slots? :D |
| 08:26.26 | sredna | ah :) |
| 08:26.33 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: Right-click the applet, "Properties" |
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| 08:27.03 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | and...then? |
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| 08:27.27 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: Actually, scratch that. Unlock your panel, click the little upward arrow on the applet's handle, go to "Configure System Guard...", and there you'll find "Number of displays" |
| 08:28.43 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | pfff, i somhow managed to get rid of those arrows... |
| 08:28.44 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | lol |
| 08:28.50 | ICQnumber | ty ppl i'll try this |
| 08:29.06 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | found it, thx |
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| 08:29.14 | Sho_ | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: Right-click panel -> Configure Panel... -> Appearance -> Advanced Options -> Applet Handles |
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| 08:33.51 | Sho_ | you're imagining it |
| 08:34.14 | Jucato | ah thought so |
| 08:34.42 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
| 08:34.46 | SSJ | OT, but can someone ping http://etotheipiplusone.com/ and tell me the IP? We're having DNS issues, here, and IRC is the only thing that works :( |
| 08:34.48 | Jucato | annma!!!!! |
| 08:34.53 | annma | hi Sho_ :) |
| 08:35.12 | Sho_ | moin annma |
| 08:35.24 | Jucato | hi Sho!!! |
| 08:35.26 | Jucato | hi Sho_!!! |
| 08:35.31 | Jucato | hi Jucato!! |
| 08:35.37 | Jucato | er.. annma I mean |
| 08:35.46 | annma | lol |
| 08:36.20 | SSJ | Jucato: Can you do me this quick favour ( ^^^ ) |
| 08:37.34 | Sho_ | o.O |
| 08:38.04 | muchanic | 38.100.31.4 |
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| 08:38.14 | SSJ | muchanic: Thanks! |
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| 08:40.36 | SSJ | muchanic: Can you also do freeshell.org for me? |
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| 08:41.19 | Sho_ | [10:44] [DNS] Resolved freeshell.org to: 192.94.73.30 |
| 08:41.51 | SSJ | Sho_: Woo - thanks! |
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| 08:42.36 | Sho_ | notably the /dns command also works on nicknames (provided the IRC user in question has a resolvable host name, which is not the case with a Freenode cloak of course) |
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| 08:42.56 | Jucato | [Error] Unable to resolve address for Sho_ (kde/hein) |
| 08:43.12 | Sho_ | :) |
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| 08:45.23 | plazm | Hi, if I want to create an application that is able to show an image ontop of all my windows, where can I read about creating such "window"? |
| 08:46.54 | Sho_ | plazm: This is a #kde-devel question really, but it comes down to KWin::setState(winId(), NET::KeepAbove) pretty much |
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| 08:47.44 | Yuyur|Xorging | The xorg 7.0 does not work when i use interl i810 driver |
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| 08:48.01 | Yuyur|Xorging | jucato |
| 08:48.09 | Jucato | yo Yuyur|Xorging |
| 08:48.26 | Yuyur|Xorging | did you have some good idea to install xorg 7.3? |
| 08:48.32 | Jucato | isn't there a #lfs channel? (I hope) |
| 08:48.42 | Jucato | not manually, no :( |
| 08:48.49 | Sho_ | See http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKWin.html and http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2511406 |
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| 08:49.32 | Yuyur|Xorging | Sho_ is this for xorg? |
| 08:49.54 | Sho_ | Yuyur|Xorging: This channel? No, it's for KDE |
| 08:50.16 | Jucato | Yuyur|Xorging: Sho_ was answering a different question |
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| 08:54.19 | Ryuo | is there a way to completely replace konqueror with krusader? |
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| 08:56.21 | Sho_ | Ryuo: Well, the way to change the file manager would be to change the file association for inode/directory and related in KControl -> KDE Components -> File Associations |
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| 09:01.56 | peng_ | hello anyone |
| 09:03.05 | peng_ | asl = 16, f, us |
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| 09:04.11 | annma | using KDE? |
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| 09:04.23 | annma | if not, wrong channel |
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| 09:09.45 | peng_ | using kde |
| 09:09.49 | peng_ | no? |
| 09:09.54 | peng_ | or Konversatoin |
| 09:10.17 | annma | ok :) |
| 09:10.24 | peng_ | i'm on Konversation |
| 09:10.32 | annma | excellent |
| 09:10.39 | peng_ | u? :) |
| 09:10.47 | annma | it's just that we don't do asl here |
| 09:10.50 | annma | me too! |
| 09:10.54 | peng_ | opx |
| 09:11.01 | peng_ | then what do we do herE? |
| 09:11.15 | annma | what do I do? |
| 09:11.23 | annma | ah |
| 09:11.34 | annma | we ask questions about KDE problems |
| 09:11.42 | annma | it's a channel for KDE support |
| 09:11.51 | Sho_ | KAnonymous |
| 09:11.59 | Sho_ | Hi. My name is Sho, and I'm a KDE addict |
| 09:12.05 | peng_ | wow :) |
| 09:12.14 | peng_ | what;'s kde? |
| 09:12.27 | annma | do you use linux? |
| 09:12.54 | peng_ | i'm on fedora - is that linux? |
| 09:13.04 | Sho_ | yup |
| 09:13.39 | annma | :) |
| 09:14.08 | annma | KDE is what you see on your PC, the desktop and probably some applications |
| 09:14.13 | annma | in Linux |
| 09:14.34 | peng_ | wow.. so it is what that gives the desktop its look? |
| 09:14.46 | annma | yes |
| 09:15.03 | peng_ | wow.. okay.. i'm new to linux |
| 09:15.03 | peng_ | :D |
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| 09:17.25 | Taggnostr | hello, where can I change the screen resolution? |
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| 09:18.41 | annma | Taggnostr: in KControl |
| 09:19.42 | Taggnostr | I can't find it there |
| 09:21.14 | peng_ | bye |
| 09:22.03 | annma | Taggnostr: KControl -> Peripherals -> Display |
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| 09:24.01 | Taggnostr | I only have digital camera, keyboard, mouse, printers, remote controls and storage media under peripherals (I'm running it on a virtual machine, it may be that?) |
| 09:24.58 | aseigo | Taggnostr: you could try running krandrtray which puts a little icon your system tray that can help switch between supported resolutions ... |
| 09:25.37 | aseigo | Taggnostr: changing the supported resolutions requies running the control panel annma noted, but often/usually krandrtray (which uses x.org's rotate and resize, or randr, extension) can provide a nice shortcut |
| 09:25.38 | Taggnostr | there wasn't a key combination too? |
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| 09:27.37 | Taggnostr | ok, it worked, thanks |
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| 10:00.50 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | another stupid question: |
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| 10:01.05 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | how do i cleare the "run command"s hystory? |
| 10:01.27 | pinotree | right click on it → clear history? |
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| 10:02.19 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | thx... |
| 10:02.28 | pinotree | np |
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| 10:03.03 | pinotree | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: btw, there are no "stupid questions", just don't be shy when asking! |
| 10:03.35 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | no, this one was VERY stupid... |
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| 10:09.33 | S_A | Hi! i want to start as deamon as soon as KDE starts. where should i add the entry |
| 10:09.52 | simone_bernini | ./.kde/Autostart |
| 10:10.19 | S_A | i created a script an put that in autostart but it didn;t work |
| 10:10.43 | Jucato | did you make sure the script is executable? |
| 10:11.20 | simone_bernini | the script must be executable |
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| 10:11.41 | Neutrinux | hi! BASKET is no longer integrated in KONTACT since 3.5.8. How can i reintegrate it??? |
| 10:12.00 | simone_bernini | to do it fast simply link (ln -s) the executable in Autostart |
| 10:12.11 | bwayne | can KDE use ALSA to produce system notification sounds, or is that restricted to arts only? |
| 10:13.11 | S_A | right! thanks that was my mistake |
| 10:13.22 | S_A | i didn;t make script executable |
| 10:13.26 | S_A | thanks |
| 10:13.28 | simone_bernini | np |
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| 10:39.24 | Hoki_Workin | I'm missing the Statistics plugin in kopete how do I install it? |
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| 10:39.56 | pinotree | Hoki_Workin: please ask in your distro channel |
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| 10:41.07 | Hoki_Workin | ahh sorry thought as a plugin it would be non distro specific |
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| 10:44.33 | Jucato | how to install it is distro specific though :) |
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| 10:58.38 | Taggnostr | aseigo, I restarted the system and the screen resolution changed again, should I do something for setting it definitely? |
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| 10:59.52 | aseigo | Taggnostr: to set the default you do need to alter the xorg.conf yes =/ |
| 11:01.51 | Sho_ | Taggnostr: Run "kcmshell display" and set your resolution there, and check the "Set at startup" option |
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| 11:14.26 | amigrave | why can't I install bitmap fonts ? I got error message : Could not install console8x16.pcf.gz into fonts:/Personal/ |
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| 11:21.58 | Taggnostr | I can only see the bottom buttons help, default, ok, apply, cancel |
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| 11:39.43 | esperegu | I am using Kubuntu 7.10 and get a lot of errors when shutting down. someone in kubuntu suggested that it is probably related to the panel since the following applications crash: adept_notyfier, guidance-power-manager.pi, kaccess, kmix, knotify, kopete, tkio_uiserver. here is one backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42060/ Any suggestions how to fix this? |
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| 11:44.17 | bwayne | even starting with a fresh session, esd comes in with all its beeping. |
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| 12:51.57 | sylecn | Can someone help me try this: lock session, wait a while, press space bar, try to unlock; On my computer this will cause keyboard can't input anything in unlock window. |
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| 12:56.23 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 12:56.31 | solar_ant | where can I read on teh features of kde |
| 12:56.43 | solar_ant | can I allow it to oppen root terminals automatically |
| 12:56.50 | solar_ant | using password from kwallet ? |
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| 13:02.08 | d1zzy | hello. I reinstalled a system and KDE is slightly changed behaviour. Namely, before there were like 2 clipboard buffers, one used by X when I selected with the mouse something and I pasted with middle click, another used by KDE when I ctrl-c/ctrl-v (they both would contain the same value at times of course). now after reinstall it seems that selecting something with the mouse and doing ctrl-v pastes the selected not what I selected and ctrl-c before that |
| 13:02.17 | d1zzy | I would like the old behaviour but I have no idea where to change to get it |
| 13:02.26 | d1zzy | in kcontrol I dont think there is anything related to this |
| 13:03.02 | d1zzy | aaaaa, stupid me, it's in klipper... |
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| 13:03.24 | solar_ant | d1zzy: you can chang eit in the klipper itself |
| 13:03.32 | d1zzy | yeah, sorry for the spam wtf |
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| 13:03.59 | d1zzy | its pretty cool to have separation of those buffers |
| 13:04.03 | solar_ant | general -> clipboard selection and behavior |
| 13:04.17 | d1zzy | example in kdevelop I select something and ctrl-c it to kde buffer. then I select something else and ctrl-v to replace it with the buffer |
| 13:04.24 | d1zzy | with the synchronized buffers aproach this obviously doesnt work |
| 13:04.24 | solar_ant | yeah |
| 13:04.37 | solar_ant | i know what you are talking about |
| 13:04.46 | d1zzy | it was frustrating, hehe, thanks for the help |
| 13:04.47 | solar_ant | and I have given you the answwer to just that |
| 13:04.55 | d1zzy | works fine now |
| 13:04.56 | solar_ant | d1zzy: my pleasure :) |
| 13:05.20 | d1zzy | I think I had klipper not even running in the old install |
| 13:05.31 | d1zzy | because it was annoying with its catch URL in the clipboard and open konqueror popup |
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| 13:06.11 | solar_ant | YOU CAN DISABLE THE POPUP TOO |
| 13:06.15 | solar_ant | oops sorry for caps |
| 13:06.19 | d1zzy | lol |
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| 13:06.27 | d1zzy | yeah, I just didnt need klipper at all |
| 13:06.44 | d1zzy | I mean disabling that, whats klipper usefulness? |
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| 13:08.00 | antipop444 | hello, doesnt anybody use kontact as PIM with disconnected imap successful under gutsy? |
| 13:09.00 | d1zzy | what do you mean as PIM? |
| 13:09.04 | d1zzy | I use kmail with disconnected IMAP |
| 13:09.26 | d1zzy | and I dont use ubuntu |
| 13:09.27 | antipop444 | calender, tasks and so on |
| 13:10.06 | d1zzy | uhmm you mean those are stored using IMAP in some way? |
| 13:10.14 | antipop444 | yes |
| 13:10.39 | d1zzy | oh I heard of those features since years, never used them |
| 13:10.51 | d1zzy | especially I heard people use them with MS products |
| 13:11.06 | d1zzy | they just seem to me like some corporatistic culture buzzfeature |
| 13:11.13 | d1zzy | but what do I know... |
| 13:11.15 | markc | antipop444, do you know of a howto to set that kind of thing up ? |
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| 13:11.27 | antipop444 | wait |
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| 13:12.26 | antipop444 | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/groupware-with-kontact.html |
| 13:12.51 | antipop444 | on feisty everything was fine... |
| 13:12.56 | markc | antipop444, thanks... I've been wanting to try this out for years |
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| 13:13.38 | solar_ant | i would like things in basket to be able to move over to kontact ! |
| 13:13.51 | solar_ant | hmmm thats like my nth wish with kontact and basKet |
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| 13:15.14 | antipop444 | oh, if you are often changes the machines its fine |
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| 13:16.02 | d1zzy | solar_ant: so thanks |
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| 13:20.11 | antipop444 | aeehh, no one use this ccb?? |
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| 13:21.00 | pinotree | ccb? what's that? |
| 13:22.17 | antipop444 | corporatistic culture buzzfeature, the kdepim with imap |
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| 13:27.52 | annma | wrong channel ;) |
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| 13:28.25 | antipop444 | for what? |
| 13:28.49 | Jucato | annma: :P |
| 13:29.04 | annma | for using in a plane |
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| 13:29.16 | Jucato | when's the FOSSCamp again? |
| 13:29.42 | annma | Saturday |
| 13:29.53 | Jucato | alread? wow... never realized... take care :) |
| 13:29.57 | Jucato | already* |
| 13:30.04 | annma | I,ll be flying tomorrow |
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| 13:31.25 | annma | Konvi setting windows is too big |
| 13:32.11 | Jucato | annma: take care and good luck!! (you'll need it) |
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| 13:33.40 | annma | thanks Jucato |
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| 13:34.14 | debriz | why can't i edit in kate while i play with its settings? |
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| 13:41.19 | annma | debriz: because the config dialog takes over |
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| 13:43.34 | FreshPrince | yay =] |
| 13:43.49 | debriz | annma: "taking over" is not a must, it's just a silly design decision. i miss the old "linux", which almost never used "child windows". now kde emulates windows too much. in windows i am always paralysed if i want to open some settings window, even when i want to change a font or to search for text. |
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| 13:44.32 | Jucato | (the old linux had GUI?) |
| 13:45.09 | smileaf | UI maybe. |
| 13:45.25 | debriz | Jucato: the old linux didn't. the old "linux" did. i am talking about four years ago. |
| 13:45.50 | debriz | Jucato: i don't remember this very well, but i am pretty much sure kde too was much more liberal with keeping the windows independent. |
| 13:47.13 | Jucato | ok. I only came aboard 2 years ago... and I haven't really cared much whether dialogs are modal or modeless... |
| 13:48.25 | debriz | Jucato: for instance, if i play with konqueror's settings, i can still use konqueror in the meantime. so it's no problem if i am in the middle of the setting something and i feel some urge to open a file in the meantime. this is not at all the case with delphin: the "main" window is simply frozen while i do the settings. |
| 13:48.36 | smileaf | whenever I'm in a settings dialog I do my business and get out. can't say I see a reason to leave it open and return to work. |
| 13:48.38 | debriz | Jucato: you will learn to care |
| 13:49.09 | Sho_ | debriz: KConfigDialog instances are usually not modal dialogs, which means the Kate developers probably did this intentionally |
| 13:49.21 | debriz | smileaf: you will find reasons, now that i gave you the mental virus. you'll learn to love the feature that i've just promoted. |
| 13:49.25 | Sho_ | debriz: If you open Konversation's dialog or similar, you'll see you can still chat underneath |
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| 13:49.45 | debriz | Sho_: then konversation is one of the nice apps :) |
| 13:49.56 | smileaf | debriz: not had a reason to for almost 5yrs, somehow I doubt that'll suddenly happen. |
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| 13:50.37 | Jucato | Sho_: so you don't believe in the modal/modeless thing? :) |
| 13:50.49 | debriz | smileaf: it will happen little by little. sometimes we don't desire something until we find out that it is possible and we taste it first. |
| 13:50.50 | Sho_ | debriz: But the nice bit is mostly kdelibs here, because the dialog not being modal is the default with KConfigDialog |
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| 13:51.09 | Sho_ | debriz: i.e. unless an app screws with it, it works like you want it to |
| 13:51.45 | debriz | Jucato: what does it mean believing in the modal/modeless thing? |
| 13:51.54 | Jucato | Sho_: so by default, KDE"s config dialogs are modeless (opposite of modal right?)? |
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| 13:51.57 | Jucato | debriz: nvm me |
| 13:52.07 | Sho_ | Jucato: yes |
| 13:52.17 | debriz | Sho_: so kconfigdialog uses independent windows by default? |
| 13:52.20 | smileaf | Mmm... which in most cases if they do, there is a reason to. and also the reason I've never seen a need to continue working with an open settings dialog. |
| 13:52.53 | debriz | smileaf: as i said, you'll start to see the need, now that i made you *aware* of it |
| 13:53.08 | debriz | Jucato: as i said to smileaf, you'll start to see the need, now that i made you *aware* of it |
| 13:53.10 | Jucato | actually sometimes I find it annoying when the dialog box disappears underneath the main window... |
| 13:53.27 | Jucato | debriz: not really. I've been painfully aware of that in KOnqueror's case |
| 13:53.39 | Jucato | I just didn't mind the inconsistency between other apps.... |
| 13:53.43 | debriz | Jucato: ah, ok, so you're from the other camp :(( |
| 13:53.46 | Sho_ | debriz: Not sure what you mean with "independent windows". It's a dialog, and it won't show up seperately on the taskbar. But it's not modal, so you can still use the application window when it's open. |
| 13:53.52 | debriz | Jucato: :D |
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| 13:54.17 | Sho_ | debriz: The reason that it doesn't behave that way in Kate is probably that they don't use KConfigDialog but rolled their own thing based on lower-level classes, which they probably had technical reasons for |
| 13:54.25 | debriz | Sho_: is "modal" the technical word? "modal dialogs"? |
| 13:54.45 | Jucato | Sho_: perhaps in Kate's case because they're combining 2 config dialogs into one? |
| 13:54.45 | Sho_ | debriz: And the fact that their config dialog is modal would then be an unnoticed side-effect of that, rather than an evil "let's screw debriz" conspiracy |
| 13:54.59 | Sho_ | debriz: yup |
| 13:55.09 | maki__ | i have a problem with d3lphin and dolphin in kde3, when i click on the trash icon a message apears "mailformed URL trash:/" |
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| 13:56.28 | debriz | Sho_: they have no technical reasons for it; unless by "reasons" you mean "limitations", which should either not be the case. for instance, why should i be prevented from editing while keeping the "find text" window open and always on top? |
| 13:56.47 | Sho_ | debriz: You misunderstood me. |
| 13:57.10 | Jucato | debriz: that's annoying though (the Find thing) |
| 13:57.13 | Sho_ | debriz: Let's go over it again. The KDE application platform has a set of libraries that contain a whole bunch of building blocks to make app development nice and easy for developers. |
| 13:57.34 | Sho_ | debriz: One of those building blocks is called KConfigDialog, which is designed to make it nice and easy to add a configuration dialog to your app |
| 13:57.50 | Sho_ | debriz: If you make use of KConfigDialog and don't screw with it, your config dialog will be modeless, i.e. like you want it |
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| 13:58.10 | debriz | Jucato: i am sure because of this because i know how other applications behave, so at least this i know for sure: whatever the reason is, it's silly, so it's not a "reason", but an (itself unreasonable!) technical limitation. |
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| 13:58.22 | Sho_ | debriz: Kate however does not use KConfigDialog but has rolled their own config dialog based on lower level classes that KConfigDialog is also based on, probably because they had technical reasons for requiring that level of control |
| 13:58.46 | Sho_ | debriz: And while rolling that dialog, presumably nobody noticed that it differs from KConfigDialog by being modal |
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| 13:58.55 | Sho_ | debriz: I.e. it's not a conspiracy, it's an oversight |
| 13:58.58 | d1zzy | uhmm I think I found a kmail bug. when sending emails it uses fine the SOCKS configuration but if the initial sending fails (and the sending is postponed by leaving the message in outbox), when I retry to send it from outbox it sends it directly without paying attention to the proxy anymore |
| 13:59.03 | d1zzy | this is pretty bad... |
| 13:59.23 | Sho_ | debriz: If you ask the Kate developers to accomodate you, they probably will if time allows it |
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| 14:00.06 | debriz | Sho_: the mere fact that you "rolled [your] own thing based on lower-level classes" is clearly not a reason for using non-modal windows. that's my point. unless i am wrong here, too. |
| 14:00.16 | Jucato | debriz: what I meant is, unless you've written/read the code or unless you've read the kate developers' minds... I'm not sure how you can say with 100% accuracy that there's not technical reason for it |
| 14:00.17 | debriz | Sho_: so it's not like i didn't get what you said. |
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| 14:00.36 | Jucato | "probably because they had technical reasons for requiring that level of control" |
| 14:00.39 | Jucato | you missed that too |
| 14:00.40 | pinotree | debriz: relax, it's not a conspiracy of kate developers against you |
| 14:00.40 | debriz | d1zzy: and how is this related to my topic? |
| 14:01.02 | Sho_ | debriz: You misunderstood me as saying that they had technical reasons for making the dialog modal, which I didn't claim |
| 14:01.03 | debriz | pinotree: yeah, but why should i teach them? why don't they think of it by themselves? |
| 14:01.14 | pinotree | debriz: d1zzy is asking for help, exactly like you |
| 14:01.18 | Sho_ | debriz: I said I assume they had technical reasons to go for lower-level classes instead of using KConfigDialog |
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| 14:01.24 | debriz | Sho_: oh, probably i was addressing Jucato's objections then :) |
| 14:01.27 | pinotree | debriz: nobody's perfect, something can be missed |
| 14:01.41 | d1zzy | debriz: you are not the only one in this channel, if someone says something it doesnt need to be related to your topic now does it? |
| 14:01.42 | Sho_ | debriz: Because I know from experience that while KConfigDialog is nice and easy, sometimes you need more control than it offers |
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| 14:02.05 | debriz | d1zzy: heh, i was just kidding you :P |
| 14:02.09 | debriz | pinotree: just kidding |
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| 14:02.20 | d1zzy | Im in AVP2 killing spree, dont kid with me!:) |
| 14:02.21 | Jucato | d1zzy: in case you don't get an answer in here, you can probably try asking in #kontact |
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| 14:02.35 | d1zzy | Jucato: yeah I guess, thanks, hmm strange even after restart it seems to bypass socks now |
| 14:02.39 | debriz | d1zzy: heh |
| 14:02.42 | d1zzy | might be something related to tor itself and dante |
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| 14:03.27 | Sho_ | debriz: Anyhow, I suggest hopping over to http://bugs.kde.org/ and filing a ticket about it. I admit it's somewhat unlikely you're going to see a fix/change in an upcoming 3.5.x release because it's really in freeze and the focus is on 4, but filing a ticket will encourage them to look at what the 4 variant of their config dialog setup is doing and see if they can make you happy |
| 14:03.42 | Sho_ | so that with 4, you get a modeless Kate config dialog ;) |
| 14:03.52 | Jucato | (you might also want to look first if it has been filed already) |
| 14:03.59 | debriz | Sho_: i think i should do that on kde4 directly, don't you think so? |
| 14:05.07 | d1zzy | if anyone is using kde4, does it has that alltogether better proxy generic support for any connection made through kde network classes? I mean currently konqueror doesnt do SOCKS, but all other applications do in KDE3 because of a hack |
| 14:06.36 | Sho_ | debriz: Well yeah, ideally you'd get your hands on a KDE 4, e.g. via the KDE Four Live Live-CD for Beta 3, and check whether the condig dialog is still modal, and if it still is, file a bug for it |
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| 14:06.47 | Sho_ | debriz: Depends on how much work you want to put in, basically. The more the better ;) |
| 14:07.03 | debriz | Sho_: i really need this feature |
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| 14:08.00 | debriz | Sho_: the search window is moded (or is it "modal"?) in microsoft word even! |
| 14:08.16 | Sho_ | debriz: Well, you can argue that it's inconsistent with other KDE config dialogs (which it is) and that there are good reasons for making the dialog modeless, you have quite some leverage to see it changed |
| 14:08.24 | Jucato | debriz: Kate in KDE 4 has a new search feature, ala Firefox |
| 14:08.53 | Jucato | btw, Kopete's Configs are modeless too |
| 14:09.00 | Jucato | hm... last I checked lol |
| 14:09.21 | Jucato | oh Kopete's is more amusing :) |
| 14:09.29 | debriz | Jucato: what is the antonym of "modeless"? i am sure it's not "mode". |
| 14:09.37 | Jucato | or perhaps it's the Get New Themes dialog |
| 14:09.43 | Jucato | debriz: Modal vs. Modeless afaik |
| 14:10.01 | Sho_ | Jucato: Please say "ala Konversation" next time, that's cooler ;) |
| 14:10.09 | Jucato | Sho_: oh yeah. sorry :P |
| 14:10.27 | antipop444 | hello, doesnt anybody use kontact as PIM with disconnected imap successful under gutsy? |
| 14:10.31 | debriz | Jucato: pidgin's are modal |
| 14:10.41 | Jucato | pidgin isn't a KDE app |
| 14:10.42 | Sho_ | debriz: The antonym to modeless is the "modal" I used half a dozen times up there ;) |
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| 14:10.55 | Sho_ | anyhow, gotta jet - bbl |
| 14:10.55 | d1zzy | well config dialogs being modal or not is not such a big thing |
| 14:11.04 | Jucato | Kopete's are modal, except when you open the Get New Themes |
| 14:11.06 | d1zzy | what is more important is those notification/error dialogs to not be modal |
| 14:11.15 | d1zzy | since they popup in some random workspace I happen to be for that very moment |
| 14:11.19 | d1zzy | and then kopete just seems to hang |
| 14:11.25 | d1zzy | so I have to search through workspaces where the modal is |
| 14:11.27 | d1zzy | and close it |
| 14:12.05 | debriz | heck, i feel so helpless with modeless dialogs!! |
| 14:12.09 | d1zzy | I mean config dialogs dont popup because they want to but because you want to so you have control over them so being modal or not shouldnt matter for that small time you use the config dialog |
| 14:13.29 | debriz | i was downloading some new syntax highlighting themes for kate and (i don't know why but) the process took five minutes. all this time i could not edit in kate. now do you understand me? don't you think this is INSANE?? |
| 14:13.59 | d1zzy | sounds like a modal download dialog lol |
| 14:14.03 | debriz | i like to edit using kate in the meantime rather than watching the stupid download windows, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. |
| 14:14.29 | d1zzy | no, I dont download themes, my distro does it for me, so I dont know what you mean |
| 14:15.19 | debriz | d1zzy: i mean updates. just test it. |
| 14:15.30 | d1zzy | kde4? |
| 14:15.54 | debriz | d1zzy: it's in the kate preferences |
| 14:16.11 | debriz | d1zzy: kde3 |
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| 14:23.18 | d1zzy | debriz: I only use katepart with kdevelop and such |
| 14:23.28 | d1zzy | and it highlights ISO C++ 2003 just file:) |
| 14:23.57 | debriz | d1zzy: what is katepart? |
| 14:24.16 | debriz | d1zzy: how is it different from kate? |
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| 14:24.24 | d1zzy | some kde API to embed editors and such into various kde applications |
| 14:24.36 | d1zzy | katepart is one implementation using kate I woudl assume |
| 14:24.40 | Jucato | debriz: http://kate-editor.org/ |
| 14:24.43 | d1zzy | or kate just being a small wrapper over katepart |
| 14:24.49 | debriz | thanks |
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| 14:25.44 | Jucato | "You will hardly find any user guide or handbook about KParts, because it isn’t a separate visible application. The magic of KParts happens behind the scenes. KParts is KDE’s component framework (for you techies out there, it is somewhat similar to GNOME’s Bonobo and Microsoft’s OLE). What this basically means is that parts (components ) of one application can be embedded in another application to take advantage of its features, without |
| 14:25.44 | Jucato | reinventing the wheel. No, you don’t put the whole application inside another application. You only put a part of the application, usually the core part which has the basic functionalities and features of that application. So what does this mean for the user? Lots!" |
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| 14:25.47 | Jucato | yay flood :P |
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| 14:26.02 | Jucato | debriz: http://jucato.org/blog/why-kde first part |
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| 14:26.22 | d1zzy | I remember back in the times when KDE was deciding on DCOP |
| 14:26.35 | debriz | Jucato: it looks like kparts is revolutionary |
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| 14:26.46 | Jucato | d1zzy: KParts aren't API per se... more like component frameworks |
| 14:26.56 | d1zzy | debriz: simple idea yet very powerful, just as any smart simple idea:) |
| 14:27.02 | Jucato | debriz: well... yes and no... other do it too. but I believe KDE has done it right |
| 14:27.11 | d1zzy | Jucato: uhmm I would assume there is some set of APIs that a part has to implement to be one |
| 14:27.15 | Jucato | GNOME's Bonobo, Windows' COM |
| 14:27.23 | debriz | Jucato: ok, then it's only wonderful. :) |
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| 14:27.30 | Jucato | d1zzy: everything has an API, but that doesn't really explain what KParts are :) |
| 14:27.44 | d1zzy | I guess, Im just too used to seing everying from a programming perspective... |
| 14:27.59 | Jucato | .... that should still be from a programmer's perspective |
| 14:28.05 | Jucato | component frameworks |
| 14:28.12 | d1zzy | ok back to fixing bugs (my bugs) |
| 14:28.25 | d1zzy | never went so high level, Im more of a system programmer |
| 14:28.34 | Jucato | that would explain it :) |
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| 14:29.43 | d1zzy | I even have trouble finding settings in GUIs such as KDE lol |
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| 14:30.44 | debriz | i simply don get it why so many people prefer gnome and why some distros, including the most important one, use it by default. this is insane. do you have any explanation for this? |
| 14:31.21 | fred | What, slackware doesn't use gnome by default... |
| 14:31.46 | Jucato | choice, politics, preference, choice? |
| 14:31.47 | debriz | fred: oh, forgot slackware existed :P |
| 14:31.56 | d1zzy | politics, politics, politics, politics,... |
| 14:32.00 | d1zzy | oh I forgot choice... how bad |
| 14:32.31 | debriz | when it comes to ubuntu, how can it be a choice? ubuntu is business |
| 14:32.50 | d1zzy | well ubuntu wants to provide something easy to work with from start |
| 14:32.51 | debriz | and i don't think any newbie wants gnome |
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| 14:33.00 | d1zzy | prompting the noob user with "do you want to use one of the thousand window managers available? |
| 14:33.04 | debriz | kde is easy to work with too |
| 14:33.07 | d1zzy | would kill the users first impression first hand |
| 14:33.18 | d1zzy | then I would assume because of resources they want to focus just on the default option |
| 14:33.24 | debriz | i didn't say ubuntu should use kde too, i say ubuntu should use only kde. |
| 14:33.34 | fred | there's also xubuntu and kubuntu. |
| 14:34.07 | fred | IIRC, they're officially sibling projects of ubuntu, not child projects |
| 14:34.16 | fred | So, I don't see the issue. |
| 14:34.27 | fred | Just use kubuntu if you want ubuntu with KDE. |
| 14:34.27 | debriz | fred: oh, so you mean canonical is promoting xfce just as much as it's promoting gnome? that's an interesting point. |
| 14:34.53 | d1zzy | while I like KDE (thanks amarok for being a great app and kmail for being MUCH faster than thunderbird, otherwise I wouldnt be using kde now) I do not think its the best option for noobs and such. tho probably thats just a lame excuse since ubuntu could just offered a custom default kde installation that would offer the same "simplicity" in options |
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| 14:36.20 | heavenquake | what will happen to konqueror development post KDE4 ? |
| 14:37.05 | heavenquake | will it continue/continue as webbrowser only? |
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| 14:37.49 | d1zzy | I love konqueror's flexibility with plugins with nspluginviewer so I can use nspluginviewer of 32bit and have flash |
| 14:37.53 | debriz | fred: it's like saying "k" in "kubuntu" comes from "kde" just like "x" in "xubuntu" comes from "xfce" and just like "g" in "ubuntu" comes from "gnome". so they are all equal. but, wait, where's the "g" in "ubuntu"? |
| 14:37.58 | d1zzy | also its way of doing java, just using the java executable |
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| 14:38.25 | heavenquake | debriz: right besides the "z" |
| 14:38.44 | d1zzy | fred: he's got a point. I mean technically speaking they may be slibings, same priority technically but at the market level people that go and download "ubuntu" (not kubuntu, not xubuntu) will get gnome |
| 14:38.48 | d1zzy | which means most will do that by default |
| 14:39.02 | Hekos | can i remove all special window settings from a app.. i kinda set a window type now i cant use alt-f3 anymore.. |
| 14:39.10 | Hekos | on that window* |
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| 14:40.08 | Hekos | help ? |
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| 15:12.22 | ganymede | hi, i seem to be having general problems with UTF-8 and KDE. in konsole, running fc-list, i get font names like Heisei Kaku Gothic Std,å¹³æè§ã´ã·ãã¯, i suspect i should be getting some japanese characters there |
| 15:12.33 | eidolon | hi folks - this is driving me bonkers, and i can't figure out where to fix it. If I view a page in Konqueror, and I hit ^U (view source) - it opens Audacity and tries to play the file (?????). how do i fix this association? I'm looking in Configure Konqueror->File Associations, but not seeing anything that says "Run audacity" |
| 15:12.42 | jthomas | is there any way to remote-access clipboard content? I want to get something from my home computer's KDE Klipper, preferably via SSH |
| 15:12.44 | ganymede | and also, while saving greek text documents in Kwrite after specifing UTF-8, the document is garbled on next open |
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| 15:51.10 | imagine | when I cmpile kde4 from svn do I need to run a command like make -f Makefile.dist with cmake ? Or that kind of stuff is obsolete now ? |
| 15:51.36 | imagine | cuz the first compile I made was ok and now.. I can't seem to have a working copy of kde4's svn anymore |
| 15:51.40 | fred | imagine: "cmake ." |
| 15:51.43 | fred | then "make" |
| 15:51.49 | fred | well, actually, not quite |
| 15:51.58 | fred | look for cmakekde on techbase |
| 15:52.01 | imagine | yes |
| 15:52.04 | imagine | thats what I use |
| 15:52.11 | fred | No Makefile.dist |
| 15:52.18 | imagine | kk |
| 15:52.25 | imagine | I must be unlucky |
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| 15:52.42 | Jucato | imagine: techbase.kde.org |
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| 15:52.52 | imagine | Jucato: I went there.. |
| 15:53.08 | Jucato | shouldn' t have any problems then :) |
| 15:53.11 | imagine | ok |
| 15:54.26 | imagine | Jucato: last question, I just installed 10.3(Suse) on a fresh install... it says I can insall Strigi, kdesupport and all the other dependencies through package maintainment.. is kdesupport stable enough to not use it with svn ? |
| 15:54.46 | imagine | I suppose it is.. if it says so.. but still |
| 15:54.50 | Jucato | imagine: um.. you'll have to ask that in #opensuse-kde |
| 15:54.58 | imagine | ty ^^~ |
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| 15:55.28 | Agathezol | can anyone tell me how to make gtk use gtk-engine-qt so it will use my kde settings? |
| 15:56.02 | Jucato | Agathezol: once you've installed gtk-engine-qt, go to KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> GTK+ Style and Fonts |
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| 15:57.07 | Agathezol | Jucato: wow, thanks. Didn't even think about it having a kcontrol |
| 15:57.19 | Jucato | :) |
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| 16:22.31 | RichiH | is there any tool that can have a snom phone call a number from kde? |
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| 16:23.09 | Jucato | kphone? |
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| 16:24.22 | n8k99 | kphone RichiH |
| 16:25.13 | RichiH | i don't want to phone via KDE, i just want to click a number and have my snom call it |
| 16:25.44 | n8k99 | oh |
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| 16:33.59 | ian__ | hello |
| 16:34.13 | ian__ | I'm havving issues with emerge |
| 16:34.25 | DuClare | what's the problem |
| 16:34.34 | Jucato | #gentoo or #gentoo-kde :) |
| 16:34.52 | ian__ | I'm on sabayon 32 bit 6.4e |
| 16:34.57 | ian__ | I do the emerge --sync |
| 16:35.00 | Jucato | ah #sabayon then :) |
| 16:35.03 | ian__ | then emerge portage |
| 16:35.12 | ian__ | ah sorry |
| 16:35.26 | ian__ | clicked the #kde |
| 16:36.04 | ian__ | just noticed |
| 16:36.09 | DuClare | clicked? :] |
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| 17:05.10 | GullyFoyle | heh OSD in Konversation is cool |
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| 17:05.32 | Jucato | of course it is :) |
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| 17:07.40 | shadok | hi |
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| 17:08.40 | shadok | i'm looking for a way to customize the predefined limits on upload in ktorrent (right click on the systray icon) |
| 17:09.02 | Jucato | shadok: Settings -> COnfigure KTorrent ? |
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| 17:09.34 | shadok | that works but iI often change this parameter so the right click on systray would be cool |
| 17:09.47 | Jucato | sounds like a feature request :) |
| 17:09.54 | shadok | :) |
| 17:10.02 | shadok | i have an account, time to use it |
| 17:10.03 | shadok | thx |
| 17:10.10 | Jucato | or wait, you can use dcop |
| 17:10.15 | Jucato | make a keyboard shortcut? |
| 17:10.52 | shadok | can i set a parameter like this through dcop ? if so that's fine |
| 17:11.02 | shadok | i'm going to install kdcop |
| 17:11.03 | Jucato | dcop ktorrent KTorrent setMaxUploadSpeed [speed] |
| 17:11.09 | Jucato | you don't need to |
| 17:11.18 | shadok | erf, so simple :) |
| 17:11.20 | Jucato | I mean kdcop should be there in the first place) |
| 17:11.39 | shadok | thank you, how did you find that shortcut ? |
| 17:11.55 | Jucato | in kdcop |
| 17:11.58 | shadok | right, kdcop is installed on my debian |
| 17:12.02 | shadok | Jucato: hehe, ok |
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| 17:12.36 | shadok | that's a very powerful way to change settings |
| 17:12.40 | Jucato | just make a keyboard shortcut for it in KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions |
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| 17:15.59 | maki__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DluRlValiE&NR=1 this is soo kde and gnome rip off |
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| 17:22.16 | shadok | maki__: haha : "Mac's are great, but it's not easy for me to get used to them. That's why I bought a Sony Viao with the new Vista in the end." what a great comment |
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| 17:22.57 | maki__ | shadok the new mac os dock is a avant ripoff |
| 17:23.20 | Neutrinux | hi! basket is no longer integrated in kontact since kde 3.5.8. How can i fix it?? |
| 17:23.22 | maki__ | although the stack feature is cool |
| 17:23.41 | maki__ | it would be great for kde4 |
| 17:23.56 | maki__ | dock that sorts stuff on desktop |
| 17:24.06 | shadok | i'm looking for "avant" i don't know what it is |
| 17:24.19 | esperegu | I am using Kubuntu 7.10 and get a lot of errors when shutting down. someone in kubuntu suggested that it is probably related to the panel since the following applications crash: adept_notyfier, guidance-power-manager.pi, kaccess, kmix, knotify, kopete, tkio_uiserver. here is one backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42060/ Any suggestions how to fix this? |
| 17:24.29 | shadok | but i agree, that dock is beautiful |
| 17:24.56 | maki__ | shadok its a dock for gnome |
| 17:25.16 | maki__ | but works nice on kde |
| 17:25.28 | shadok | i'll try it :) |
| 17:25.58 | maki__ | shakdok avant-window-navigator |
| 17:26.00 | maki__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.51 | shadok | yep, just foun the site on launchpad and google code but i don't have it in my repos, i'll try it another day :) |
| 17:26.52 | pinotree | maki__: well, and avant is a ripoff as well, the common source is sun's looing glass |
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| 17:28.16 | maki__ | pinotree yeah, but when the program is free |
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| 17:28.33 | maki__ | you know that its taken from somewhere |
| 17:28.49 | pinotree | ? |
| 17:29.13 | maki__ | apple and microsoft take stuff from everywhere and say they invented it |
| 17:29.36 | pinotree | ...and? |
| 17:29.46 | pinotree | i was talking about awn |
| 17:29.48 | GraveDigger | microsoft even claims to have invented the internet |
| 17:29.50 | GraveDigger | :) |
| 17:30.00 | shadok | and the blue color |
| 17:30.06 | GraveDigger | hehe |
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| 17:30.37 | maki__ | pinotree yes i know, because awm is free its no problem that the idea is taken from somewhere |
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| 17:30.53 | maki__ | and now apple will say they invented it |
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| 17:34.01 | shadok | i saw a project simulating a real desktop in gtk a few month ago, i can't remeber the name, that was very funny to see but i think it's not really fun to use(there was no available code for the moment) |
| 17:34.18 | shadok | s/for/at |
| 17:34.47 | maki__ | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=810586274&size=o |
| 17:35.22 | shadok | "Bumptop" that's its name |
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| 17:35.53 | shadok | http://www.bumptop.com/ |
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| 17:37.47 | shadok | huh ! it seems to be propietary AND for windows only... (to be verified) |
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| 17:39.08 | maki__ | brb |
| 17:39.27 | shadok | there is lowfat in gtk too but there only a git repo atm |
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| 17:47.18 | maki | awn is nice but to gnomish for my taste :) |
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| 18:06.17 | sheskar | Hi. I hope this question is not Ubuntu specific... but where can I disable that jumping icon besides the mounse cursor when starting applications? It's really annoying. |
| 18:06.58 | carwash^ | sheskar: it should be somewhere in kcontrol |
| 18:07.08 | ganymede | sheskar: launch feedback |
| 18:07.09 | benJIman | sheskar: kcontrol -> appearanace and themes -> launch feeback. |
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| 18:10.14 | times9 | hey KDE 4 is coming in december right? |
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| 18:13.16 | pinotree | hey what a hurry... |
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| 18:18.42 | esperegu | I am using Kubuntu 7.10 and get a lot of errors when shutting down. someone in kubuntu suggested that it is probably related to the panel since the following applications crash: adept_notyfier, guidance-power-manager.pi, kaccess, kmix, knotify, kopete, tkio_uiserver. here is one backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42060/ Any suggestions how to fix this? |
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| 18:27.00 | simmerz | when I use compiz with kde 3.5.7, the kicker doesn't update properly. I don't get new apps in the taskbar, and the kicker loads as a long grey bar otherwise. any ideas? |
| 18:28.14 | debriz | Jucato: how should i interpret this strange and probably funny (at least for me) habit of sometimes using "(TM)" after some titles or expressions, like you did on your article? ("integration done right (tm)") |
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| 18:33.29 | sredna | debriz: means "trade mark" |
| 18:33.50 | debriz | sredna: yeah, but i don't know why some people use it in such contexts |
| 18:33.57 | sredna | there is even a html entity iirc, &tm; |
| 18:34.19 | sredna | debriz: i think its meant to be funny |
| 18:34.29 | debriz | sredna: was 'means "trade mark"' the only answer i received? |
| 18:34.43 | debriz | sredna: because now i realize that i lost some replies |
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| 18:35.12 | sredna | debriz: i dont think anybody else answered |
| 18:35.16 | sredna | :( |
| 18:35.26 | debriz | good, thank you |
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| 18:48.08 | luca | hi everyone |
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| 18:48.29 | luca | I have some problems with a wap hidden connection using knetworkmanager on kubuntu |
| 18:48.49 | luca | knetworkmanager is able to connect, but forgets very easily the settings |
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| 18:49.26 | n6pfk | I can only get 2 working desktops? |
| 18:50.13 | luca | n6pfk: right click on the desktop, configure desktop, go to number of desktops and set as many as you like :) |
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| 18:51.00 | marc0s | hello |
| 18:51.18 | n6pfk | Doesn't work. I ask for four and get 8 and ask for 1 and get 2. With 8 only the first wo work? |
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| 18:51.45 | n6pfk | wo work = works |
| 18:51.59 | marc0s | I'm trying to build KDE4 from SVN as described in techbase wiki, but I get an error I'm not able to solve, the error message is: /usr/bin/qdbusxml2cpp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv |
| 18:52.08 | marc0s | I'm doing it on a Kubuntu 7.10 |
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| 18:52.58 | n6pfk | I am also running Kubuntu 7.10 with fglrx 43.2 driver and compiz. |
| 18:54.14 | GraveDigger | 43.2? |
| 18:54.17 | GraveDigger | or 42.3? |
| 18:54.20 | n6pfk | I need 4 desktops to do the cube thingy but can only get 2. |
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| 18:54.54 | n6pfk | Opps, 42.3 |
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| 18:55.22 | marc0s | I searched for that error on google but i got no solution... |
| 18:55.23 | marc0s | :( |
| 18:55.57 | luca | n6pfk ahn problem of easy solution :) |
| 18:56.07 | luca | what do you have if you do the command ccsm? |
| 18:56.28 | n6pfk | I have the setup gui? |
| 18:56.36 | luca | good |
| 18:56.39 | luca | enter in general |
| 18:56.42 | luca | desktop size |
| 18:56.46 | luca | there you are :) |
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| 18:58.33 | roxy_ | is there a way to open a pdf file with kwriter ? |
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| 18:59.33 | luca | roxy_ nope, if the question is "can I edit there?". If that is your desire install pdfedit |
| 18:59.35 | n6pfk | What do I enter for horizontal and verticle? |
| 18:59.51 | luca | vertical: leave it at 1, horizontal as many as you wish :) |
| 19:00.12 | roxy_ | luca: thanks |
| 19:00.15 | luca | np |
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| 19:01.44 | n6pfk | Still only have two desktops and I set it to 4 with a rivht click if s!ays I have 8 buts it lying I still have only 2 |
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| 19:02.45 | luca | n6pfk |
| 19:02.49 | luca | try a compiz --replace |
| 19:03.07 | luca | if that does not work I am officially baffled, although I do have some idea |
| 19:03.10 | luca | ideas |
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| 19:04.06 | Psi-Jack | Okay,. WHAT exactly is calling http_cache_cleaner every 20 fricken minutes? ;) |
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| 19:05.57 | AmyRose | Psi-Jack: Try doing a better job of pestering here. =P |
| 19:06.23 | Psi-Jack | Heh, I'm trying! I'm tired, and annoyed by seeing the HTTP Cache Cleaner come up every 20 minutes, cleaning cache I never use. |
| 19:06.39 | AmyRose | Psi-Jack: sorry, I had to kid about it since I saw you in #kubuntu =P |
| 19:06.42 | luca | to be honest Psi-Jack I do not have this probleam |
| 19:06.48 | n6pfk | Compiz --replace hangs with a no 8bit (???) pixmap and ctrl-c results in a frozen x-windows. |
| 19:06.58 | luca | n6pfk oh gosh |
| 19:07.08 | luca | what card/settings do you have? |
| 19:07.16 | Psi-Jack | hehe |
| 19:07.18 | luca | !pastebin |
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| 19:07.28 | n6pfk | Card setting where? |
| 19:07.47 | CydeWeys | I have a question about the kmoon applet in the kdetoys package. I have it running right now, but I cannot for the life of me get the tooltip to appear? |
| 19:08.12 | luca | well what video card do you havee for starters? |
| 19:08.13 | CydeWeys | I'm looking through the source and I see where the tooltip is generated, but I never see the tooltip when I hover over it when it's actually running. |
| 19:08.26 | CydeWeys | The tooltip should display how many days till full or how many days till new, or stuff like that. |
| 19:08.34 | n6pfk | Ati 200express |
| 19:08.49 | Psi-Jack | This file, /usr/share/services/http_cache_cleaner.desktop -- Has /something/ to do with my annoyances. What would use this? |
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| 19:09.43 | CydeWeys | Anyone want to try out the kmoon applet temporarily and see if you get the tooltip? |
| 19:09.45 | luca | so you use an ati, of which I do not have any experience at all, I am sorry :( |
| 19:09.52 | luca | I can't help you there |
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| 19:10.47 | n6pfk | OK, the new driver has aiglx and widows do wobble and other compiz thingies work but with 2 desktops no cube. Bummer! |
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| 19:11.05 | luca | n6pfk ah ok |
| 19:11.10 | luca | mail them about it :) |
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| 19:11.39 | n6pfk | It could be the driver since it's new. |
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| 19:13.19 | n6pfk | BTW after running compiz --replace doing 2 destops from a right-click now adds 16 desktps which of course don't exist because a move to desktop only show 2 available. |
| 19:13.41 | GraveDigger | telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl <- star wars 4 in ascii art :D |
| 19:13.46 | luca | n6pfk: no idea |
| 19:14.40 | n6pfk | Which rc or config file of kde stores the number of desktops. Perhaps I can edit it? |
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| 19:15.57 | luca | n6pfk: it's a mess in this sense |
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| 19:16.05 | luca | because you have the kde settings |
| 19:16.10 | luca | and the compiz settings |
| 19:16.10 | i0nC4nn0n | hi... |
| 19:16.18 | luca | which are DIFFERENT and not integrated |
| 19:16.22 | i0nC4nn0n | i managed to configure my panel at the office to be super-duper fine, how do i "import" it's settings here at another machine? where are the panels setting files located? |
| 19:17.23 | pinotree | ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 19:17.44 | n6pfk | Oh well, some of it works which is a plus and I am sure others will experience the same difficulties and some guru may fix it. |
| 19:17.58 | pinotree | n6pfk, luca: can i just point out that compiz is not a topic for #kde ? |
| 19:18.16 | luca | pinotree: sorry :) |
| 19:18.26 | CydeWeys | Can anyone with KDE please try adding the moon phase applet (kmoon from kdetoys) and tell me if the hover tooltip works? |
| 19:18.27 | i0nC4nn0n | pinotree, tyvm |
| 19:18.54 | pinotree | CydeWeys: could you please avoid asking every 10 minutes? |
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| 19:19.20 | luca | pinotree: do you know if there is anyone to ask to about wpa and knetworkmanager? |
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| 19:19.25 | pinotree | CydeWeys: the problem is not that applet, but the panel that sometimes "looses" some mouse events |
| 19:19.25 | n6pfk | I know and they won't discuss kde or ubuntu and vice-versa etc. |
| 19:19.51 | pinotree | luca: "don't ask to ask, just ask" |
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| 19:20.05 | luca | pinotree: I already did that earlier :) |
| 19:20.10 | pinotree | good |
| 19:20.13 | n6pfk | You have been the most helful and I appreciate it. |
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| 19:20.21 | luca | np |
| 19:20.29 | n6pfk | bye bye |
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| 19:21.03 | PhinnFort | kwin4 doesn't recognise my support for compositing and blingy goodness |
| 19:21.07 | CydeWeys | pinotree: It only seems to happen with the kmoon applet though? All of the other applets aren't losing mouse events. |
| 19:21.09 | luca | I have to connect to a wpa hidden network, which I can do with knetworkmanager, but it loses the settings every time I reboot or exit the wireless network area |
| 19:21.11 | PhinnFort | as in kwin for kde 4 |
| 19:21.22 | i0nC4nn0n | pinotree, problems: "~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc isn't a directory" |
| 19:21.34 | pinotree | i0nC4nn0n: and? |
| 19:21.35 | i0nC4nn0n | pfff |
| 19:21.38 | i0nC4nn0n | nevermind nevermind |
| 19:21.49 | i0nC4nn0n | excuse my stupidity i just woke up.... |
| 19:22.33 | i0nC4nn0n | i belived it MUST be a folder, apparently i have no concept of files if i didn't had my coffe... |
| 19:23.19 | i0nC4nn0n | and yes i know that folders are files too.... |
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| 19:24.52 | fred | Heh, konqueror doesn't like 1.6MB html files composed of lots of data:'d images :D |
| 19:25.11 | fred | (by "doesn't like", I mean a few microfreezes after it finishes downloading each picture) |
| 19:26.55 | Rasi | fred there was some trick to enable multiple connections at once |
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| 19:29.18 | vanpel2 | does anybody know how to open the kwallet from the shell? i cant find anything like kwallet |
| 19:29.19 | fred | Rasi: Not going to help |
| 19:29.21 | fred | as it's just one file |
| 19:29.31 | Rasi | ? |
| 19:29.37 | Rasi | how can the images be inside the html file |
| 19:29.43 | fred | Rasi: data uri |
| 19:29.57 | fred | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data:_URI_scheme |
| 19:30.21 | sredna | vanpel2: kwalletmanager |
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| 19:31.08 | i0nC4nn0n | pinotree, didn't quite do the trick... |
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| 19:31.16 | Bille_home | vanpel2: there's no command line tool to access the wallet, unfortunately |
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| 19:31.28 | carwash^ | Any idea why kicker is see-through (I can't see it at all) when running compiz-fusion og nvidia? |
| 19:31.45 | carwash^ | Bille_home: you might be able to interface it with dcop? |
| 19:31.49 | Rasi | interesting fred |
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| 19:31.58 | Rasi | how can i enocde a picture to an uri |
| 19:32.02 | vanpel2 | sredna: but i cant query for a password from the shell |
| 19:32.07 | pinotree | Bille_home: well, if you count dcop, then there is |
| 19:32.09 | Rasi | i mean.. it looks like hexcode |
| 19:32.13 | Rasi | is it just that? |
| 19:32.16 | vanpel2 | Bille_home: no possibility? |
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| 19:32.22 | i0nC4nn0n | Rasi, it won't work with ie |
| 19:32.29 | fred | Rasi: no, base64 or urlencoding, and yeah, no IE |
| 19:32.31 | vanpel2 | Bille_home: i would need it for a bash script |
| 19:32.32 | Rasi | still an interesting concept |
| 19:32.56 | Bille_home | pinotree: whenever i want to hit the wallet over the console there's no KDE session there to talk to - otherwise dcop works yeah |
| 19:33.00 | i0nC4nn0n | no its not, it's only purpoise lyes in spamming |
| 19:33.15 | fred | Nah. |
| 19:33.33 | Rasi | thats definately not its purpose |
| 19:33.36 | Rasi | thats just a misuse |
| 19:33.45 | maki | can kcontrol in kde4 have setup for a group of mime data, example i like to set up a default video player for all formats only by choosing video |
| 19:34.09 | Rasi | altho i dont understand why it should speed up things, if most browsers can multiconnect anyway |
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| 19:34.18 | Rasi | *since |
| 19:35.36 | fred | Rasi: http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/eden-issues.html is an example :) (warning: 1.6MB HTML file) - this is from me trying to make the stupidest PDF->HTML converter possible |
| 19:35.52 | i0nC4nn0n | guys whad to i need to transfer my panel settings BESIDES the kickerrc? |
| 19:36.01 | Rasi | aha.. i have seen that on planet kde |
| 19:36.15 | i0nC4nn0n | *what |
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| 19:36.40 | fred | Rasi: I'm making it stupider :) |
| 19:36.49 | fred | well, making the output readable, by keeping anti-aliasing. |
| 19:37.22 | i0nC4nn0n | okay since html i have a related problem tho... |
| 19:38.10 | i0nC4nn0n | i work for a company where one of my tasks is to create jpeg images from word documents by createing a backgrond to them in corel (don't laf) |
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| 19:38.30 | i0nC4nn0n | and wouldn't it be bettah to make it with html/css? |
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| 19:39.20 | i0nC4nn0n | if so, is it possible to create a SINGLE file that even ie can display? |
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| 19:49.46 | Rasi | i0nC4nn0n: i dont get you |
| 19:50.01 | Rasi | how can you create images from word documents by creating a background? |
| 19:50.14 | Rasi | sounds a bit strange |
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| 19:50.23 | Rasi | please explain |
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| 19:51.20 | marc0s | somebody got an error with an undefined symbol in /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4 while building kde4 from svn? |
| 19:51.25 | i0nC4nn0n | Rasi, i get a word ducument |
| 19:51.29 | i0nC4nn0n | (containing a menu) |
| 19:51.36 | i0nC4nn0n | and i have a background |
| 19:51.45 | i0nC4nn0n | and i open that background in corel |
| 19:52.05 | i0nC4nn0n | open the word document |
| 19:52.20 | i0nC4nn0n | and paste the document into corel |
| 19:52.28 | i0nC4nn0n | export it to jpeg |
| 19:52.45 | i0nC4nn0n | and voila, an unreadable but very large menu is born |
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| 19:53.32 | i0nC4nn0n | Rasi, is it understandable now? |
| 19:53.36 | brendan__ | if I'm using the 'man' command how do I close the file after the information has been displayed. For example if I type "man du" then i get lots of info about the du command - I can't work out how to leave the manual |
| 19:53.39 | brendan__ | ? |
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| 19:54.00 | Rasi | so you need a website with a background |
| 19:54.07 | Rasi | and on top of that a jpg should be shown? |
| 19:54.53 | Rasi | or is the background just for the portion of the menu? |
| 19:54.54 | i0nC4nn0n | Rasi, i don't need a website |
| 19:54.56 | i0nC4nn0n | i need one file |
| 19:55.00 | i0nC4nn0n | that has text + background |
| 19:55.11 | i0nC4nn0n | and can be displayed with windows |
| 19:55.17 | Rasi | pdf? |
| 19:55.19 | i0nC4nn0n | *with ie |
| 19:55.42 | i0nC4nn0n | Rasi, my thoughts exactly, problem is you need adobe reader for that... |
| 19:55.55 | pinotree | brendan__: ask ##linux please |
| 19:56.08 | brendan__ | \ok |
| 19:56.17 | i0nC4nn0n | brendan__, 'q' key |
| 19:56.23 | Rasi | than i guess you are stuck with image files then... |
| 19:56.33 | i0nC4nn0n | brendan__, also try in konqueror: "man:/commandname" looks prettyer :D |
| 19:56.48 | brendan__ | thanks guys - I'll give those a try |
| 19:56.49 | i0nC4nn0n | Rasi, i hate my job |
| 19:57.25 | Rasi | porr i0nC4nn0n |
| 19:57.27 | Rasi | poor |
| 19:57.55 | i0nC4nn0n | and i hate corel too |
| 19:58.34 | fred | i0nC4nn0n: if it didn't need IE, we'd have the answer for you :p |
| 19:58.38 | fred | otherwise, I guess there's flash? |
| 20:00.01 | i0nC4nn0n | you need macromedia flash for that |
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| 20:00.25 | fred | i0nC4nn0n: well, most people have that if they use IE |
| 20:00.28 | i0nC4nn0n | anywayz, thx |
| 20:00.48 | i0nC4nn0n | fred, we are talking about business man who have DEFAULT windowsesesses |
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| 20:01.17 | fred | i0nC4nn0n: Why does it have to be one file? |
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| 20:02.02 | i0nC4nn0n | fred, cuz ppl are stupid |
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| 20:31.59 | n6pfk | luca: If I make Horz=4 Vert.=1 and #of desktops=1 in ccsm I have 4 working desktops but still no vieable cube. |
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| 20:44.09 | shal3r | I have list with many emails. Can kmail automatically read it and send emails to all mailboxes from that list? |
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| 20:46.04 | Bille_home | shal3r: no |
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| 20:46.35 | Bille_home | shal3r: you would need to create contacts for each mailbox, then create a distribution list containing those contacts. |
| 20:48.05 | shal3r | Bille_home, thanks for idea. I am creating list in address book from DB output now :) |
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| 20:52.36 | sonic_ | was thinking of builiding kde4 from svn but wasnt sure if I should be using root to check out the svn |
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| 20:53.11 | sonic_ | check out as user and build as root? is that how I should do it? havent used svn before |
| 20:53.23 | root__ | hey gys i needd help |
| 20:53.32 | root__ | plz i am new here |
| 20:54.02 | sonic_ | root__: are you logged in as you root account here? prob not the best idea if you are... |
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| 20:54.14 | root__ | yes |
| 20:54.22 | sonic_ | security nono |
| 20:54.22 | root__ | i canotn logo in with another |
| 20:54.29 | sonic_ | lost password? |
| 20:54.31 | root__ | no |
| 20:54.35 | root__ | i have password |
| 20:54.50 | root__ | but when i try to login it takes me back to log in screen |
| 20:55.08 | sonic_ | in kdm or the terminal |
| 20:55.09 | root__ | what i do wrong? |
| 20:55.15 | root__ | kdm |
| 20:55.35 | root__ | and my display is 1024x768 |
| 20:55.41 | root__ | and i cant change to better |
| 20:55.48 | sonic_ | but X works as root? |
| 20:55.55 | root__ | yes |
| 20:56.05 | root__ | root is like safe mode?? |
| 20:56.11 | sonic_ | nono. |
| 20:56.17 | sonic_ | root is unsafe mode |
| 20:56.37 | root__ | but i dont have the good visual enviroment |
| 20:56.42 | sonic_ | root is the superuser that can do anything, including trash your whole system if your not careful |
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| 20:57.03 | root__ | sonic can u help me |
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| 20:57.08 | sonic_ | the security risk is that you are exposing your root user to the internet |
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| 20:57.31 | root__ | i tell u that i canot log is as another user |
| 20:57.43 | root__ | and what about the visual problem? |
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| 20:57.57 | sonic_ | what distro are you using? |
| 20:58.03 | root__ | distro? |
| 20:58.13 | sonic_ | red hat, suse, kubuntu? |
| 20:58.20 | root__ | sabayon |
| 20:58.30 | sonic_ | ah |
| 20:58.32 | sonic_ | I see |
| 20:59.00 | root__ | i jusy did the install |
| 20:59.08 | root__ | did i do something wrong? |
| 20:59.22 | tue | Hey, im trying to run kde4, i followed the build guide and apps are working, plasma, etc. looks mighty cool to. But the window decoration has not been changed to oxygen. If i run kwin --version i get kde: 3.95.00 \ kwin: 3.0 |
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| 21:00.03 | pinotree | root__: please ask in #sabayon |
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| 21:00.25 | pinotree | tue: open systemsettings and change it? |
| 21:00.32 | sonic_ | root__: well its been a while since Ive used gentoo and emerge. so what you prob need to do is ask someone in #gentoo or #sabayon who have a better idea about your setup |
| 21:00.54 | root__ | thnx |
| 21:01.23 | sonic_ | kde systemsettings arent real helpful in kde. they just seem to mirror x.conf |
| 21:01.32 | pinotree | ? |
| 21:01.35 | thePunisher | tue: did you make move /etc/env.d/45kdepath-3.5 to somewhere else? |
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| 21:01.47 | thePunisher | tue: make sure |
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| 21:02.43 | sonic_ | pinotree: sorry thought you were reccomending that to root__ who was having X probs |
| 21:02.50 | sonic_ | pinotree: my bad |
| 21:03.11 | pinotree | o.O ? |
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| 21:03.48 | sonic_ | anyways, anyone build kde4 from svn? |
| 21:04.02 | Jucato | :D |
| 21:04.28 | tue | thePunisher: I dont have that file on my system... |
| 21:04.43 | thePunisher | tue: hmm, on second thought, that may only be true for Gentoo |
| 21:05.03 | tue | yah, this is just a svn checkout. |
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| 21:23.01 | sonic_ | Im getting svn: No such revision 729381 trying to follow the svn directions for kde4 on techbase. anyone know what thats about |
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| 21:23.27 | sonic_ | I had a failed DL and deleted it and tried to restart. could that be it |
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| 21:23.46 | sonic_ | did I screw something up? |
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| 21:27.52 | sonic_ | nevermind, I got it. had to use svn cleanup |
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| 21:29.15 | CydeWeys | Anyone know why the kmoon hover tooltip might be missing for me? |
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| 21:29.25 | CydeWeys | THe tooltips on all my other KDE applets are working. |
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| 21:42.06 | iCEifer | how can I change the sizes of the icons on the desktop? |
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| 21:43.28 | pinotree | kde control center → look & themes → icons → advanced |
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| 21:45.35 | iCEifer | thans |
| 21:45.40 | iCEifer | thanks |
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| 21:51.42 | thePunisher | tue: you still here? |
| 21:52.16 | tue | yes |
| 21:52.23 | thePunisher | tue: I think you could make a custom .xsession file in HOME from your kde4 useraccount like it's shown under #1 on http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/kde/wiki/UsingKDM |
| 21:52.42 | tue | thePunisher: oh, nice |
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| 21:53.18 | thePunisher | tue: just make sure the paths correspond with your distro's paths |
| 21:53.39 | tue | thePunisher: thanks, ill look into it |
| 21:54.22 | thePunisher | tue: np |
| 21:54.44 | tue | thePunisher: its strange how you notice a lot of small stuff that you never though of in kde3, but when its a little off it becomes a big issue. like the default size of the scrollbars is to small when the window has a large amount of vertical content. |
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| 21:59.07 | thePunisher | tue: just checked it, and you're right :) |
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| 22:00.51 | tue | somewhere you figure that there is a line like size = max(contentHeight / viewportHeight, min_scrollbar_size); but im sure its not that simple :-) |
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| 22:02.43 | Rasi | how can i check it? |
| 22:02.47 | Yuyur | hello |
| 22:02.57 | Rasi | you mean the scrollbar, that gets smaller the longer the e.g. text gets? |
| 22:03.03 | Yuyur | time to sleep |
| 22:03.08 | Rasi | isnt that normal? |
| 22:03.09 | tue | Rasi: yah |
| 22:03.23 | tue | Rasi: it is. But i think they become to small in the end. |
| 22:04.22 | tue | Rasi: i mean, there should be a min. size. and it is selected such that they become quite small, like 40 pixels heigh or something. |
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| 22:09.06 | tin | so, i just upgraded to Kubuntu 7.10 and got KDE 3.5.8 as part of it |
| 22:09.48 | Rasi | hooray |
| 22:09.51 | tin | my multimedia keyboard's volume controls launch kmix and the OSD moves around, but it adjusts the wrong mixer channel |
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| 22:10.21 | tin | i've been scoping out the kmix sources, and don't see anything related to the OSD or selecting a channel for it |
| 22:10.28 | tin | any ideas? |
| 22:10.29 | Jucato | tin: right-click on kmix -> Select Master Channel? |
| 22:10.48 | tin | Jucato: only adjusts the channel controlled by the dock popup |
| 22:11.04 | Jucato | hm.. that should be system-wide... hm... |
| 22:11.10 | tin | the volume keys worked on the correct channel in KDE 3.5.6 |
| 22:11.23 | Rasi | wait |
| 22:11.30 | Rasi | maybe your keys are just wrongly mapped? |
| 22:11.51 | tin | rasi, they cause the OSD to popup, and they change a control, it's just the wrong one |
| 22:12.04 | Rasi | where are they defined? |
| 22:12.06 | Rasi | khotkeys? |
| 22:12.09 | Jucato | tin: you could probably ask in #kubuntu as well |
| 22:12.12 | tin | they change "Master", and I need "Wave" (it's a SB Live, emu10k1) |
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| 22:12.34 | tin | Rasi: no idea where they're defined |
| 22:12.43 | Rasi | well have a look at khotkeys |
| 22:12.52 | Rasi | then you'll see |
| 22:13.17 | MinceR | it's probably hardcoded |
| 22:13.22 | Khaytsus | I can't figure out how to start the knotify daemon in KDE.. Seems it's not starting on login and I managed to get it started from some other program once, but want it running all the time. Would this be adding +knotify to the startkde in the appropriate place? |
| 22:13.31 | Rasi | how can a shortcut be hardcoded... |
| 22:13.37 | MinceR | some of them are |
| 22:13.47 | MinceR | it's not good design but i've found several of them |
| 22:13.51 | tin | MinceR: hardcoded where? in kmix? |
| 22:13.57 | Rasi | no |
| 22:13.59 | MinceR | in kmilo, iirc |
| 22:14.05 | Rasi | kmix has nothing to do with shortcuts |
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| 22:15.16 | Rasi | but regarding khotkeys |
| 22:15.24 | Rasi | i have some shortcuts defined |
| 22:15.27 | Rasi | which DO work |
| 22:15.33 | Rasi | but i have some mouse gestures defined |
| 22:15.36 | Rasi | which simply dont |
| 22:15.42 | tin | is there a GUI tool to see/change khotkeys settings? |
| 22:15.44 | Rasi | anyone experienced this? |
| 22:15.48 | Rasi | yes |
| 22:15.48 | Jucato | kmix has everything to do w/ shortcuts.... it has global shortcuts for volume control |
| 22:15.50 | Rasi | control center |
| 22:15.55 | Rasi | -> regional settings |
| 22:16.02 | tin | Jucato: i noticed those, but they're clear |
| 22:16.20 | Jucato | regional & accessibility |
| 22:16.26 | tin | also of note, if kmix isn't running, hitting the volume keys will start kmix and then change the volume |
| 22:16.31 | Rasi | Jucato: but i bet it uses khotkeys for this |
| 22:16.39 | Rasi | everything else doesnt make sense really |
| 22:16.42 | Jucato | probably if kmix is clear |
| 22:17.33 | tin | the hotkey settings in Accessibility are empty |
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| 22:19.55 | MinceR | well, i have no idea where it is in the code. i've found it once, now i can't find it. |
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| 22:28.07 | Kasyx | Hello. Is there a way to theme knotify windows or convert them to an OSD? I'd like them to look like Growl in OS X, or at the least the OSD that amarok gives. Anyway to do this? |
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| 22:31.51 | kar1k | how can I manualy detect my wireless card ? |
| 22:32.01 | kar1k | using sabayon |
| 22:32.09 | kar1k | gentoo |
| 22:32.49 | Kasyx | kar1k: I'd suggest asking in #sabayon or #gentoo |
| 22:33.32 | kar1k | thanks |
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| 22:52.49 | dowdle | Here's a question... I'd like to make a matlab.desktop file. matlab is started with a shell script... I'd like to run that shell script but the only way seems to be by setting "terminal=1" in the matlab.desktop file. That opens up a konsole window. Is there a better way to do it... one that doesn't open up a shell window? |
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| 22:57.36 | mstf | hello |
| 22:57.47 | dowdle | hello |
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| 22:58.24 | mstf | where i find the kmix 's OSD on ~/.kde/share/config ? |
| 22:58.41 | sredna | kmixrc i'd say, mstf |
| 22:59.00 | mstf | sredna: i havent find it |
| 22:59.01 | mstf | :S |
| 22:59.25 | sredna | i didn't even know kmix had OSD |
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| 23:00.20 | mstf | thank you |
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| 23:27.03 | FreshPrince | gn8 @ all |
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| 23:34.01 | dcosson | has anyone had any trouble with usb hard drives automounting since upgrading to gutsy? |
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| 23:36.06 | yingbull | odd #kde issue... I have an app that starts another, and is hung (ie, its menus don't work) till that one finishes. That's fine. However, on one machine... it hangs up KDE almost entirely, can't switch desktops, etc... |
| 23:36.09 | yingbull | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.32 | yingbull | I'll likely bug RH... but its odd. Doesn't seem user specific, either. |
| 23:37.38 | gkiagia | yingbull: does the other process take a lot of cpu time? |
| 23:37.57 | yingbull | gkiagia: Didn't see a big cpu spike. |
| 23:38.17 | yingbull | gkiagia: I can make it run custom stuff as well - I had it just shell out to xterm, and it happened. |
| 23:38.47 | yingbull | gkiagia: Its like whenever that app is waiting, it hangs everything else up. |
| 23:39.10 | gkiagia | for one moment I though it could be a scheduling issue but it's not |
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| 23:39.45 | yingbull | gkiagia: Its *kinda* there. I once managed to get it to change virtual desktops when it was in that state |
| 23:39.53 | yingbull | gkiagia: but then couldn't change back |
| 23:40.01 | yingbull | gkiagia: I can minimize, but never maximize |
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| 23:40.13 | yingbull | gkiagia: I've not seen anything quite like it. |
| 23:40.15 | gkiagia | wierd stuff... |
| 23:40.52 | yingbull | and then on the other machine, same setup, it works fine. |
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| 23:42.30 | yingbull | gkiagia: well, thanks anyways. Its at least good sometimes to ask the question and at least not be told it was something obvious... :-) |
| 23:43.07 | root__ | Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew where the login script is located? |
| 23:43.17 | gkiagia | :) |
| 23:43.46 | gkiagia | login script? you mean startkde ? |
| 23:44.11 | gkiagia | it depends on the distribution but it should be on /usr/bin/ |
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| 23:44.45 | root__ | http://ps2dev.org/psp/Tools/Toolchain/psptoolchain-20070626.tar.bz2 |
| 23:44.52 | root__ | It says to add somthing to the login script |
| 23:45.16 | root__ | on step 2 |
| 23:45.46 | root__ | I'm just wondering where I can find this login script |
| 23:45.54 | gkiagia | root__: that's in your home. ~/.bashrc |
| 23:46.32 | gkiagia | but this is not a kde related issue |
| 23:46.53 | gkiagia | and you shouldn't join irc as root ;) |
| 23:47.51 | root__ | I need to learn more about IRC then so I can't get hacked |
| 23:48.10 | root__ | Anyway, thanks |
| 23:48.24 | gkiagia | just don't login as root if you don't really need it |
| 23:48.29 | gkiagia | it's a very bad practice |
| 23:48.36 | gkiagia | you're welcome |
| 23:48.56 | root__ | I like the layout |
| 23:49.02 | root__ | KDE 3.5 |
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| 23:49.22 | gkiagia | ? |
| 23:49.50 | pinotree | AL13N_work: despite your (lame) nick, you're irc'ing as root - please don't do that |
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| 23:51.49 | gkiagia | another root... heh. |
| 23:53.39 | mxttie | i think you mean the only for women guy :) |
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