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00:01.56Myrdo you have samba installed?
00:02.03johnrwyes
00:02.28Sho_johnrw: emerge "kdebase-kioslaves" with the samba USE flag, that gets you the SMB kioslave
00:02.36Sho_johnrw: And next time: #gentoo-kde is the right channel :)
00:02.51lemurI loves me soem kde
00:03.06lemurI remember back in the day when qt wasn't gpl... ah, thoe horrors
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00:05.27johnrwSho_: Thanks! I tried in #gentoo-kde, and they just don't even reply.
00:05.43Sho_johnrw: I'm actually there too, but I saw your question here first ... sorry ;)
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00:06.33johnrwSho_: Thanks... it's cool.
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00:10.03johnrwSho_: your good!
00:10.04johnrw[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.7-r1  USE="arts hal ldap -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -openexr -samba -xinerama" 0 kB
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00:13.52contrast83Greets, everyone...
00:14.19Myrheya
00:15.18contrast83Does anyone else here have Genre set to the first level of groupings in Amarok? I'm trying to figure out how to keep it from auto-expanding the genres that only have one album in them everytime I open Amarok.
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00:17.01icwiener_That's the same with artists with only one album, so I guess it's the normal behaviour.
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00:17.16level1Hi, does anyone here know a way to get webpages to ignore my system color scheme in konqueror?  When I have a black on white color scheme, some pages "decide" to become unreadable
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00:17.49level1like, maybe just a wrapper that says "default foreground: black, default background: white"?
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00:18.25contrast83level1: If you find something out, let me know. I've looked all over the place for that.
00:18.27Myrconfigure konqueror -> stylesheets
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00:18.36Myrmake adefault css with the body tag showing the colros you want
00:18.37Myrand use it
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00:19.01Myror actually
00:19.07MyrDo the use accessability stylesheet
00:19.09MyrThen configure it
00:19.12MyrFor black on white =)
00:19.36level1Myr: that didn't work
00:20.04Myro.o hmm
00:20.06level1yeah, didn't work
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00:21.11Myrrestart konq
00:21.18Myri tried it, and it didnt work, i closed and reopened, works now
00:21.28Myrits ugly tho =/
00:21.31Myrbut readable
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00:27.16Myrlevel1: did it work after you restarted konq?
00:27.43level1Myr: yes, but I wish it didn't override stylesheets on pages that are well behaved
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00:31.47MinceRit's supposed to provide a service to other apps that stores passwords
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00:32.52Red_CloudMinceR How does one get apps to use it?
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00:33.13andersinthat usually works automatically
00:33.18andersinkmail uses it
00:33.41andersinfor storing your account user and pass
00:33.52andersinkonqueror uses it for passwords
00:34.03andersinunless you have that disabled
00:34.07Red_Cloudandersin I open Kpackage and whenever it asks for a password to do stuff like update I type in the password and tick the keep password box but it never uses wallet
00:35.18andersinlet me check out kpackage
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00:36.19andersinnot sure if that uses kwallet
00:37.12Red_Cloudandersin I have not seen any other app use kde wallet except for the email clients.  I would really like to use it for other apps so that I do not have to constantly enter my passwords.
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00:38.05derek__Red_Cloud: konqueror uses it
00:38.44andersinThe application needs to support kwallet
00:38.59andersinso that it nows that it can store passwords there
00:39.15andersinI do not think you can make any application use kwallet
00:39.26Red_Cloudbummer!
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00:43.24andersinI think that kpackage simply uses a sudo agent if you ask it to store the password
00:43.35andersinso that you can use sudo for a session
00:43.52andersinso it does not store your root pw on disk
00:44.00andersingod I hope it doesn't
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00:46.19pcbsdhelphow do i stop people leeching my files on ktorrent? in my status tab it says, some people are leeching from me?
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00:47.31Liquid_Firewhy would you want to do that? that would defeat the purpose of BitTorrent :)
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00:48.20pcbsdhelpits slowing me down as im downloading......
00:48.42pcbsdhelpthey can leech after im finished......
00:48.48pcbsdhelpits the first file i got.......
00:48.50Liquid_Firelimit the upload rate then
00:48.55pcbsdhelpim new to it...
00:49.29Liquid_Firefrom the settings -> Downloads -> Maximum upload rate: set it to something low, and set it back after you're done downloading
00:49.45andersinif you want to let people have the full download rate after you finish, there is  a scheduling plugin
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00:50.14andersinthat one allows you to specify times and the associated download and upload maximums
00:53.16pcbsdhelpok
00:53.38pcbsdhelpdo i have to restart it to take effect?
00:54.14pcbsdhelpand cant i view the file .avi as it downloads? mplayer doesnt like .avi or what?
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00:54.51Liquid_Fireyou don't have to restart
00:55.14Liquid_Fireand you can't view the file as it downloads, as BitTorrent downloads the file in random (least-available) parts, not start-to-finish
00:56.09Liquid_Fireyou would probably be able view the file with some skipping after most of it has downloaded
00:56.18pcbsdhelpok
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00:57.54pcbsdhelpGod........ 23 hours for 700mb?
00:58.19Liquid_Fireit can depend on how many seeders there are
00:58.34pcbsdhelpit says 10.
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00:58.54pcbsdhelpi shud look for another bit torrent site?
00:59.16Liquid_Firewith BitTorrent you're not downloading the files from a server, but from other people - the less of these people there is, the slower your download will be
01:00.09pcbsdhelpoh shit...... i clicked BAN on some of the people who had a tick across UPLOAD slots....... i guess thse were the guys who i was leeching frm? how i unban them now?
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01:00.36pcbsdhelppeers tab?
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01:02.48Liquid_Firedon't know, haven't banned anyone yet :)
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01:13.46snag\neverHi! i'm having a problem when starting KDE -- http://rafb.net/p/NFXoLZ48.html -- can some one help me?
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01:14.03snag\neverit stucks on "Initalizing peripherals"
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01:16.22derek__snag\never: what distro? looks like a startkde that doesn't match the kde version
01:16.34snag\nevergentoo
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01:17.53snag\neverderek__, gentoo
01:17.57derek__snag\never: did this just start, or have you had it working before
01:18.07snag\neveri have it working
01:18.13snag\neverso, i installed compiz-fusion
01:18.16snag\neverand got it working ok
01:18.20snag\neveryesterday
01:18.29snag\neverturned off the computer
01:18.32snag\neverand now, it's not ok
01:18.44Liquid_Firei'll repeat it here too, don't run KDE as root :)
01:18.52snag\neverhaha ok xD
01:19.07snag\neverLiquid_Fire, so, help me
01:19.12snag\neveri'll run it as normal user
01:19.19snag\neverwhat do i put on /etc/rc.conf ?
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01:19.34derek__snag\never: this is a gentoo bug. #gentoo
01:20.05snag\neverbut were working fine \=
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01:22.18derek__snag\never:so what changed? You installed a new package and it changed things. that is a packaging issue
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01:29.04Robteverytime I run pacman, I get a locale error: warning: current locale is invalid; using default "C" locale
01:29.16RobtIt was not happening befora I installed openbox
01:29.29Robtcan someone help me to fix this?
01:30.08Robtlol
01:30.09Robtsorry
01:30.13Robtwrong chat
01:30.14Robtlol
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01:33.32snag\neverthanks everyone :D
01:33.44snag\neversolved by doing a env-update and source /etc/profile
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02:52.48Lestat?
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02:59.15stonedwhat?
02:59.25stonedoronmays
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03:05.31Simeon_Hthis wine tastes like crap
03:05.32Simeon_H:(
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03:22.44lemurtroy: What's it like up there?
03:23.30troyumm, I'd have to say this is the first time I've found KDE 4 to be usable
03:23.48troynothing is crashing (except when you exit a program)
03:23.56lemurheh
03:24.00lemurbut you wanted to close anyway
03:24.04qupadalemur: let's put it this way.  there are new features all over the place and it will take you days to find them all, but most of them don't work exactly like you might expect yet
03:24.46troyqupada: for months I've been talking about single specific features to look forward to, but this is the first time I'm starting to feel the 'integration factor' as I'd like to call it :)
03:24.48lemurahh
03:24.53lemurI'm just discovering kde3's features
03:25.00lemursomeone today just showed me how to use klipper :-/
03:25.08troywell, klipper still exists :)
03:25.16lemurI'm not used to this whole desktop environment thing...
03:25.18qupadathere are a few things you notice straight away of course.  everything is svg and damn is it shiny
03:25.22lemurEven when I'm in KDE or GNOME, I just treat it like a WM
03:25.34troyqupada: hell yeah - also, the oxygen windeco and style are shaping up nicely now
03:26.14lemurgreat
03:26.15qupadathere was one thing that was quite disappointing though.  ksirtet, one of only 4 kde games i actually play, is simply missing
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03:27.11troyqupada: umm, is it simply unmaintained and therefor dropped from 4.0?
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03:27.21qupadai'd hope not
03:27.48qupadaif that was the case i'd quite possibly get off my arse and learn how to port it to kde4 personally
03:29.06qupadathing is it's the only game i notice isn't there, everything else i remember is (i don't install most of kdegames3 so i may be forgetting some things), there are even some new games
03:29.27troyqupada: yeah, it might not have been ported... I'll take a peak
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03:31.41troykonq seems pretty slow - like 20 seconds to load each page (seems to be an IO related lag)
03:32.32qupadahow is plasma coming along?
03:32.52troywe have a half usable task manager, thanks to robert knight
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03:57.18stonedqupada whats up
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03:59.13qupadaenjoying the last of my sunday afternoon before i have to go to work tomorrow
03:59.22qupadawhich reminds me, i have goddamn ironing to do
03:59.26qupadaugh
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04:29.11CPrgmSwR2How do you setup kmilo to change the volume of a different channel other than master?
04:30.51DaSkreechWhat's Kmilo again?
04:32.06CPrgmSwR2it displays the volume window for you to adjust the volume
04:32.30CPrgmSwR2Let me rephrase that to when you adjust the volume from your keyboard
04:32.39DaSkreechah ok thought that was Kmix
04:32.45CPrgmSwR2no
04:33.36CPrgmSwR2kmix actually recieves the shortcuts for adjusting the volume but the strangest thing is that any channel works without kmilo but once kmilo is installed, only master can be altered with the keyboard
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04:34.36nixternalCPrgmSwR2: right click kmix/speaker icon in system tray, and select master channel
04:34.46CPrgmSwR2I don't want master volume though
04:35.07nixternalbut you can change it that way to what you want
04:35.08CPrgmSwR2its my PCM channel that controls my Master volume
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04:35.25nixternalyou can set pcm as master or whatever you like that way.
04:35.26CPrgmSwR2I have it set to PCM as the master channel
04:35.39CPrgmSwR2but it still changes master channel and not PCM channel
04:35.44nixternalhrmm
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04:36.11nixternallemme guess, intel-hda sound?
04:36.21CPrgmSwR2no
04:36.26CPrgmSwR2nvidia onboard sound
04:36.33CPrgmSwR2intel8x0
04:36.47CPrgmSwR2thats odd
04:37.02CPrgmSwR2why is the driver called intel8x0 when its a nvidia motherboard
04:37.18nixternalhehe, I was wondering why you pasted a contradiction there :)
04:37.27CPrgmSwR2I have that A7N8X delux
04:37.38nixternalwhat distro are you using?
04:37.41CPrgmSwR2gentoo
04:37.59nixternalI have that same mobo
04:38.00DaSkreechMoooo
04:38.20nixternalerr, I should say "had", not have
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04:38.32CPrgmSwR2it is a nice motherboard
04:38.41nixternalya, I accidentally killed mine
04:38.45CPrgmSwR2ouch
04:38.54nixternalactually smoked it an the XP 2100+
04:39.14CPrgmSwR2I have the XP 2600+
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04:39.51CPrgmSwR2I guess its a motherboard with intel and nvidia stuff on it
04:40.27nixternaldon't know why it would have intel stuff on it since it is an amd mobo...sounds like the driver is confused somehow
04:40.44nixternalmine worked w/o any problems and was recognized nvidia
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04:41.17Dr_willisboot a live cd as a test. and see what it sees? :)
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04:41.43Dr_willisi thought for sound the intel8x0 was like a 'compatiable' chipset thing..
04:41.50CPrgmSwR2it shows NVidia nForce2 as my motherboard
04:41.59Dr_willissort of like how the old 'creative compatiable'  sound cards were.
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04:43.33CPrgmSwR2hmm...its a driver that supports both nvidia and intel
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04:43.44CPrgmSwR2Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller
04:44.18qupadait's more like an "anyone can make a chip that supports this piss-poor audio standard" driver
04:45.21CPrgmSwR2There is no nvidia sound drivers
04:45.47Dr_willisnvidia is outsourcing their soumnd card chipsets?
04:46.29CPrgmSwR2I don't know but according to the kernel's available sound pci drivers, there is none that list just nvidia
04:46.31netuser_hi, where can i set shortcut keys to change desktops?
04:48.06CPrgmSwR2k -> control panel -> Regional & Accessability
04:48.50CPrgmSwR2then keyboard shortcuts
04:49.08netuser_CPrgmSwR2: thanks
04:49.41CPrgmSwR2btw kde4 is quite a big change
04:50.11CPrgmSwR2I am so excited... its like the difference between windows 98 and windows xp
04:50.26DaSkreechOr like between Windows and a OS
04:50.28Dr_willisNot sure if thats good or bad.. :)
04:50.57DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: you are runnign beta 2? or just straight SVN ?
04:51.04CPrgmSwR2straight svn
04:51.08CPrgmSwR2I don't think beta 2 is out
04:51.28CPrgmSwR2yeah beta2 is not out yet
04:51.32DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: yeah I know :-p but it's been tagged you could have just pulled those
04:51.48CPrgmSwR2Isn't that still svn
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04:52.31DaSkreechYeah but it's not straight SVN
04:52.44CPrgmSwR2oh
04:53.00DaSkreechI don't think that a svn up on a beta2 branch will change as time rolls on
04:53.10DaSkreechI could be very sadly mistaken of course
04:53.24CPrgmSwR2where is the beta2 branch
04:53.38CPrgmSwR2All I am familar with is /trunk
04:53.43DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: good man!
04:53.46DaSkreech:-)
04:54.28CPrgmSwR2I found branches
04:54.34CPrgmSwR2but only 3.5 is listed
04:54.38CPrgmSwR2no 4.0
04:55.19CPrgmSwR2is this it --> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.93/
04:55.24qupadayep
04:55.28CPrgmSwR2ah okay
04:55.51qupada3.92 was beta1, so it seems logical at least
04:56.19CPrgmSwR2I am just so impressed with the plasma stuff
04:56.23DaSkreech:-)
04:56.31CPrgmSwR2the plasma panel is starting to look really nice
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04:56.51DaSkreechI'm still holding out for nepomuk
04:57.05CPrgmSwR2what is wrong with nepomuk
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04:57.24CPrgmSwR2It seemed to be working fine for me
04:57.38rickeyis fedora core6 a good distro
04:57.44DaSkreechI think it's going to be one of the really impressive things once people start using it
04:57.51CPrgmSwR2ah okay
04:57.51DaSkreechrickey: for?
04:58.01CPrgmSwR2rickey: try PCLinuxOS
04:58.08CPrgmSwR2that distro is so well polished
04:58.23qupadarickey: even if it, it's out of date.  fedora7 has been out for some time now
04:58.26DaSkreechcourse I said the same about KGHNS but no one uses it :(
04:58.30rickeydose it have pidgin
04:58.48CPrgmSwR2rickey: there is also kopete which it has
04:59.12rickeykopete is no good for yahoo
04:59.20CPrgmSwR2what?
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04:59.29CPrgmSwR2kopete handles yahoo quite well
04:59.39rickeycant do live chatrooms
04:59.43CPrgmSwR2Oh
04:59.52CPrgmSwR2forgot about that
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05:00.36rickeygain cant ether
05:00.36CPrgmSwR2can pigden?
05:00.36rickeyyahoo has changed
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05:00.40CPrgmSwR2rickey: then use kubuntu
05:00.41rickeyyes it is subpost to
05:00.57CPrgmSwR2its got a huge number of packages like 20,000
05:02.13rickeymy proublem is that i only have a cdr plaaaayer and most new distro are commmmmmeing out in dvd
05:02.28CPrgmSwR2kubuntu has a cd install version
05:02.46DaSkreechKubuntu is one CD
05:02.58rickeyi want fedora
05:03.06rickeyferdora 7
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05:03.20rickeyonly in dvddd
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05:03.51rickeyi got to adjust my keyborad
05:04.21rickeyor get faster fingers
05:04.32DaSkreechrickey: they probably have a netinstall
05:04.45rickeyi have dail up
05:04.49CPrgmSwR2LOL
05:05.13CPrgmSwR2rickey: do you have fedora 6?
05:05.27rickeyi just order it tonigth
05:05.42rickey<PROTECTED>
05:05.53rickeysuse 10.1\
05:05.58rickey<PROTECTED>
05:06.42CPrgmSwR2http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/documentation/creating-a-cd-set-from-a-dvd
05:06.51rickeyit,s got me all messed up because of the package manger
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05:07.33rickeythanks ill check that out
05:08.04CPrgmSwR2Its a far stretched idea
05:08.24CPrgmSwR2the other thing you could do is spend $40 at your local walmart and buy a dvd-burner and put it in your computer
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05:08.50rickeyhow much dose a dvd player for a computer  ,run these days
05:09.03CPrgmSwR2really cheap
05:09.33rickeyunder a 4100.00
05:09.34CPrgmSwR2http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106055 <-- here is one for #31
05:09.54rickey$100.00
05:10.11CPrgmSwR2oh yeah did you see the link with $31.99
05:10.20rickeyOK
05:10.30CPrgmSwR2and I live liteon
05:10.36CPrgmSwR2they make such good drives
05:10.45rickeydo you think i should change over
05:11.29CPrgmSwR2well can you download a DVD that size?>
05:11.36CPrgmSwR2with dialup?
05:11.45rickeymy gaaaateway  which is 4 year,s old now ,came with a cd-r
05:12.17CPrgmSwR2would you buy the dvd's from online for fedora 7?
05:12.33rickeyooooooooooo yea
05:13.31rickeyyou can get scewed from a store just as well as you can off a linux site
05:14.14CPrgmSwR2okay
05:14.17rickeyand online they are a hell of alot cheaper
05:14.26CPrgmSwR2newegg can be trusted
05:14.32CPrgmSwR2its very popular
05:14.59CPrgmSwR2ask around irc or on the net.... just about everyone knows about newegg
05:15.02rickeyi just got the fedora core6 , for $7.50
05:15.24CPrgmSwR2as a DVD?
05:15.35rickeyand it,s got 5 cd,s
05:15.42CPrgmSwR2ah okay
05:15.48CPrgmSwR2why not install fedora core 6 and upgrade
05:16.04rickeyif i can ,i will
05:16.13CPrgmSwR2you can
05:17.00rickeyyou know i realy liked suse untill i started online up grads
05:17.26rickeyand then i fall out of love
05:17.43CPrgmSwR2I personal love gentoo
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05:17.59rickeywen my package manger started to say daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
05:18.35CPrgmSwR2what is wrong with kubuntu again?
05:19.09CPrgmSwR2that distro I know for a fact you can upgrade once its installed
05:19.10rickeynothing i know havent ever had it
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05:19.50CPrgmSwR2you should give kubuntu a try its very polished and based on the top distro ubuntu at distrowatch.com
05:20.10CPrgmSwR2also check out #kubuntu
05:20.22CPrgmSwR2usually 900 people in their
05:20.26rickeylet me get fedora going good and illtry it out
05:20.41DaSkreechHa ha :-)
05:21.08CPrgmSwR2rickey: my advice
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05:22.05CPrgmSwR2Another thing is that a lot of kde developers user kubuntu
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05:22.55rickeywell i do like kde
05:23.01CPrgmSwR2kubuntu is for kde
05:23.08CPrgmSwR2thats why it has a k infront
05:23.25rickeyna the k is for kool
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05:23.36CPrgmSwR2there is ubuntu for gentoo
05:23.45CPrgmSwR2and xubuntu for xfce
05:23.59AnonycatDoes Konqueror AdblocK not accept * as a wildcard or something?
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05:24.33CPrgmSwR2kubuntu fits on one cd also
05:24.34DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: Wha?
05:24.40DaSkreechHow does that work?
05:24.51CPrgmSwR2how does what work?
05:25.13DaSkreechubuntu for gentoo
05:25.24CPrgmSwR2oops
05:25.38CPrgmSwR2I screwed that up I ment ubuntu for gnome
05:26.12rickeyi dont care to much for GNOME
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05:26.33CPrgmSwR2same here
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05:27.07CPrgmSwR2I just find kubuntu's update system quite neat
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05:27.34DaSkreechhow so?
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05:28.14CPrgmSwR2Well the fact you can download a new linux kernel from it and it will configure it for your system
05:28.45CPrgmSwR2It seems to take care of alot of things
05:29.01DaSkreechyeah :)
05:29.10DaSkreechIt's the anti-gentoo :)
05:29.17CPrgmSwR2yeah
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05:29.38DaSkreechBye rickey!
05:29.48CPrgmSwR2I plan to switch to kubuntu once kde4 is released along with konversation
05:29.58CPrgmSwR2I think you would be most happy with kubuntu
05:30.17CPrgmSwR2change you to rickey
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05:31.22DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: who isn't here :)
05:31.43CPrgmSwR2yeah I know
05:32.28CPrgmSwR2I have a feeling that he is trying to make his $7.50 worth while
05:33.03Anonycatis the new Konversation planning anything big?
05:33.24CPrgmSwR2Its going to be a kde 3.5.7 release
05:33.58CPrgmSwR2Now that kde4 isn't going to be released until December, mabye konversation will convert over by its release
05:34.06DaSkreechheehee
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05:35.17AnonycatDoes Konqueror AdblocK not accept * as a wildcard?
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05:51.13sabayonlive-1213bonjour !! ya des français ici?
05:51.24DaSkreech#kde-fr
05:51.45sabayonlive-1213lol
05:51.52sabayonlive-1213j'y connais rien!!
05:52.05sabayonlive-1213c'est ou svp?
05:52.43DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: Ha ha you are on the planet :)
05:53.37sabayonlive-1213it's my first online with sabayon and can't install on my HD SATA !! HARG
05:53.57sabayonlive-1213i'm on the CD live actualy
05:54.04sabayonlive-1213DVD
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05:54.46sabayonlive-1213where can i found the KDE fr please?
05:55.11andresj#kde-fr ?
05:55.19DaSkreechsabayonlive-1213: click on the words in blue
05:55.28sabayonlive-1213yes ?
05:55.48DaSkreechsabayonlive-1213: /join #kde-fr
05:59.27sabayonlive-1213a ok thank a lots my friend's !bye
05:59.27sabayonlive-1213have a good day lol
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06:28.10Ace2016Hi all
06:28.37Ace2016can someone give me a link to fonts:/Personal which i can cd to
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06:31.17Anonycat~/.fonts
06:31.18apt/.fonts is probably for fontconfig'ed apps, like gimp-2.0 and newest scribus
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06:45.23Ace2016Thanks
06:45.47Ace2016Does anyone know why fonts:/Personal was created? if you can copy directly to ~/.fonts
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06:46.38DaSkreechAce2016: It's easier to remember and it's URLable
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06:48.34Ace2016why would it be used in a url?
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06:50.17DaSkreechYou can email it to someone. they click on it and Konqi opens with the fonts they have installed
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06:52.25luisloHi all... is there a compiz-fusion channel? I recently installed it, everything was working fine, but just yesterday I think I upedated it... and there's no screensaver (windoes flying) anymore and also everytime I restart the windows swithcer gets reset and all the key bindings got disabled... any ideas?
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06:53.44dan4sterhello
06:53.52dan4sterhow do I add an address to an existing distribution list?
06:53.58dan4sterin Kmail
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07:12.15Ace2016How do you restart a stalled file transfer???
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07:13.31DaSkreechKick it
07:15.21Ace2016kick?
07:15.49Ace2016oh ha ha
07:15.57Ace2016not funny ;/
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07:22.51Ace2016ITs talking 50% CPU usage just to copy fonts?!?!?
07:23.33Ace2016its called fc-cache  what is it? kde related? guessing its kde related since its konqueror copying the files
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07:27.22lawrenceagan.
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07:37.44philidorhalo
07:38.04philidorcan any one tell me is sabayon linux have a built in beryl in it
07:39.08Jucatophilidor: try asking in #sabayon
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07:44.49Jucatodidn't we always want distros to ship vanilla kde? :P
07:46.15bram85oh sure, am not complaining about that :)
07:48.02Jucatohehe
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08:00.14Ace2016if every distro ship vanilla kde it'd be boring, and the fun additions made by distros like kubuntu to kde like kdesu without a password would not exist
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08:00.52Jucatohm... that would kdesudo. and not really "without a password"
08:01.02Jucatoit just remembers the password for a given time, just like sudo.
08:01.19thiago_homeAce2016: they could just contribute their improvements back upstream
08:01.26thiago_homeand everyone would benefit from them
08:01.35Ace2016not if you modify the sudoers file to use sudo without a password, then kdesu works just like sudo, it didn't use to do that
08:01.49Ace2016thiago_home: they do don't they?
08:01.55JucatoAce2016: not always
08:01.56thiago_homeno, not all
08:02.22Jucatodepends on which "upstream" is... in kdesudo's case, I think Tonio_ found it from kde-apps.org
08:02.40thiago_homein that case I mean kde.org
08:02.53thiago_home"hey, cool new app, should we add it to the base distribution?"
08:02.59JucatoAce2016: kdesu is KDE su, it's really specifically a frontend for su. kdesudo is a specific frontend for sudo
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08:03.16Ace2016but kdesu is easier to type
08:03.22Jucato???
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08:03.29Ace2016why not ksudo?
08:03.42JucatoAce2016: on Kubuntu kdesu is symlinked to kdesudo
08:03.49Jucatoon Gusty I mean
08:03.53Ace2016makes sense
08:04.04kirunwhy not ksudoku :P
08:04.39Jucatothiago_home: I'll have to ask Tonio_ about that, btw. I'll try to convince him to push kdesudo upstream (KDE).
08:05.12Jucatoalthough, wasn't aseigo sort of thinking of a different system for these? Administrative mode and all?
08:05.25Ace2016kirun: i was going to say the same thing
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08:07.02Jucatothiago_home: although theoreticall, where would kdesudo fit in the kde modules? kdesu is in kdebase right?
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08:14.11Ace2016Anyone know a way to make kde apps looking in ~/.fonts for fonts, and to just use the rest of the system?
08:14.41Ace2016the fonts in there are slowing down my system, a LOT
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08:16.08Ace2016so i kind of need kde to stop looking in there
08:17.10Ace2016oh cool i think the fc-cache -vf sorted the speed problems
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08:54.05Daniel-S-PGood morning. i once found a new fontinstaller/manager on kde-apps, but theres no download available. it allowed eg grouping, switching on/off groups etc. Does anyone know, what happened to it? or any hint on Fontmanagement on kde?
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08:54.25Daniel-S-Phttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Font+Installer?content=39052
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09:08.21eif_zonHow do I set a new KDE 3.5 theme in arch linux (kde)?
09:08.59Jucatoeif_zon: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html
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09:15.39alanhaggaiHi, apostrophes in the konsole are being shown as `â' for eg.: Linux Programmerâs Manual. How do I get them right?
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09:19.10AnonycatIf I want to view Gmail in standard mode with Konqueror, are there any URLs other than mail.google.com for which I have to set a useragent spoof?
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09:22.00thiago_homealanhaggai: what? Are you typing or are you reading a file?
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09:23.22thiago_homehey Jucato
09:23.36alanhaggaithiago, Just reading a file.
09:23.53thiago_homeok
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09:24.01thiago_homeare you sure it's a lowercase â?
09:24.09thiago_homecan it not be an uppercase one?
09:25.00thiago_homenever mind that question, you're right
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09:25.13eif_zonI get, Error - KDesktop, Access denied to /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files/thefile.tar.gz
09:25.15thiago_homewhat's your locale? (type: echo $LANG)
09:25.20eif_zonwhen i try to delete anything from the desktop
09:25.25alanhaggaithiago, lower case
09:26.06alanhaggaithiago, en_IN
09:26.19thiago_homejust that? Not en_IN.UTF-8?
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09:27.07alanhaggaithiago, just that. But in /etc/locale.gen it is written en_IN UTF-8
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09:27.34thiago_homewell, I have no idea what that file is
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09:27.42thiago_homewhere did you get your file from?
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09:27.51alanhaggaithiago, /etc/locale.gen
09:27.54thiago_homethe one with the apostrophes
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09:28.56thiago_homewhere did it come from?
09:30.50alanhaggaithiago, when I opened a man page.
09:31.08thiago_homehmm
09:31.17thiago_hometype "locale". Do you see any UTF-8 in there?
09:31.43alanhaggaiNowhere. Only en_IN.
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09:32.57thiago_homeok, my conclusions:
09:33.03thiago_home1) first and foremost: not Konsole's fault
09:33.22thiago_home2) your locale isn't UTF-8, yet man is outputting UTF-8 characters
09:33.45thiago_homejoin your distribution's channel to find out how to make man behave.
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09:34.14alanhaggaithiago, ok. Thank you for the info and for your time. :)
09:34.40eif_zonhmm, i cant save things to my "Desktop" or delete things from there.
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09:35.34alanhaggaieif_zon, permission for desktop got changed?
09:35.39eif_zonalanhaggai: how?
09:36.01alanhaggaieif_zon, Just asked. Did it get changed?
09:36.25eif_zonalanhaggai: when I did what?
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09:36.42thiago_homedoesn't matter
09:36.45thiago_homeare they changed?
09:36.47wesbluemarinewhen we will see kde4 beta2?
09:36.52eif_zonhow can i see it thiago_home ??
09:37.06alanhaggaieif_zon, with a bad chmod/chown
09:37.08thiago_homels -l
09:37.15alanhaggaiYes.
09:37.26eif_zondrwxr-xr-x 2 root root     4096 Sep  2 09:06 Desktop
09:37.28thiago_homecheck if you have permission on the directory
09:37.35alanhaggaieif_zon, That says it.
09:37.41eif_zonwhat to do? :)
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09:37.56thiago_homerestore the permissions on all files and directories that have bad permissions
09:38.12alanhaggaieif_zon, sudo chown -R your_username ~/Desktop/*
09:38.24alanhaggaieif_zon, also: sudo chown -R your_username ~/Desktop
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09:38.49eif_zonchown: cannot access `/root/Desktop/*': No such file or directory
09:39.01alanhaggaiwesbluemarine, did you try the other beta?
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09:39.07wesbluemarineyes
09:39.07eif_zonalanhaggai: same with the other one
09:39.25alanhaggaieif_zon, also: sudo chown -R your_username /your_username/Desktop
09:39.39eif_zonahh, /home/user/Desktop
09:39.40alanhaggaiwesbluemarine, how is it?
09:39.55alanhaggaieif_zon, Oh yes :)
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09:40.26eif_zonnow it says: drwxr-xr-x 2 ajs root     4096 Sep  2 09:06 Desktop
09:40.32eif_zonwhy still root?
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09:40.33wesbluemarineit's a beta only in the name
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09:40.41wesbluemarineit's like an alpha
09:40.46alanhaggaieif_zon, the group root I think.
09:40.46Anonycatroot is the group there
09:40.53eif_zonshall i change it?
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09:41.29Anonycatif you want that gone (not necessary), use chgrp, or chown -R ajs:ajs /directory
09:41.36eif_zonookkk
09:42.08alanhaggaiwesbluemarine, are there much differences?
09:42.18alanhaggaiwesbluemarine, features I mean.
09:42.21eif_zonchown: `ajs:ajs': invalid group
09:42.25wesbluemarinefrom what?
09:42.36alanhaggaiwesbluemarine, the current stable version.
09:42.45Anonycatwhat groups is ajs a member of?
09:42.53eif_zondunno
09:42.56eif_zonit worked without changes
09:42.59eif_zonits enough ;)
09:42.59Anonycatnormally they're always in a group with the same name
09:43.09alanhaggaiYes.
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09:43.14wesbluemarinethe beta 2 there insn't for the moment
09:43.25wesbluemarinebeta was unusable
09:43.31eif_zonalanhaggai: i changes to ajs:users
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09:43.49alanhaggaieif_zon, I see. If that works, then it is ok.
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09:43.57alanhaggaiwesbluemarine, oh I see.
09:43.59eif_zonIt works
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09:45.31alanhaggaieif_zon, Good :)
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09:53.03oyvindHello, are there an option for piguin, amsn and kopete that works good?
09:53.30Anonycat...what?
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09:53.49Anonycatwhat does it mean to "work good", and how to those programs not fulfill it?
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09:55.49oyvindno major bugs, rather easy to use, be abel to conect to both aim, icq and msn. I am realy just looking for another chatprogram just to see whats out there, so if anyone could recomend one..?
09:57.40oyvindor am i asking in the wrong channel?
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09:58.27Jucatooyvind: you can connect to aim, icq, msn, yahoo, jabber, google, etc. using Kopete
09:58.38Jucatoyou can also try asking in #kopete if you want
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10:09.00chxis there a character map application? kcharmap seems outdated
10:09.10Jucatokcharselect ?
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10:10.53chxbingo. sorry, i was unable to google it out.
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10:11.35Jucato:)
10:11.36necsoory, i have a question ... how can i remove some applications from autostart ?
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10:11.56chxon a totally another , off topic note, is there a list of ranges which make up Unicode Letters?
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10:14.00Jucatonec: by default, KDE remembers the apps you have left running when you logout and restores them when you login. You don' t need to have a list of apps to autostart. just close the apps you don't want to autostart before you logout
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10:17.48necJucato - ouu :) thanks :) i forgot about this :)
10:18.18astanhm. can i still put stuff in ~/.kde/env/* in KDE4?
10:18.41Jucatodepends on how they plan to implement startup in KDE 4
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10:19.09astanJucato: ok. so scripts there will not be sourced as it is now?
10:19.17JucatoI don't know...
10:19.52astani was thinking if there was some place i could prepend the qt-copy bin directory to my $PATH, if i'm going to launch a full KDE4 session from KDM.
10:20.11astani'd only like it to be prepended if launching a KDE4 session.
10:20.28Jucatohm.. aren't there instructions in Techbase for that?
10:20.29necwhen final kde4 project will be ?
10:20.43Jucatoit will be *tagged* december 23
10:20.43astanthere's http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Solitary_KDE_4_session
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10:21.08astanbut it only says that qdbus should be in $PATH if launching the session from KDM.
10:21.26chxthanks for the help
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10:21.59HalcaI heard once that KDE4 is so pure that if you have used GNOME before you turn to stone
10:22.00Halca:>
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10:22.03astannot how to go about it.. i'd not want to put it in my .bashrc, since then qdbus from qt-copy would cloud qdbus from KDE3 when i launch a KDE3 session.
10:22.24Jucatoyou're using the same user for both KDE 3 and KDE 4?
10:22.46astanyea.
10:22.51JucatoO.o
10:22.52Jucatohm...
10:23.06Jucatomight want to ask in #kde4-devel then :)
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10:23.32astanfollowed dfaures setup instructions.. but i haven't tried a full KDE4 session yet, just launching koffice apps.
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10:23.35astanokay.
10:23.55Jucatohm.. I just followed the Techbase instructions...which recommends a different user :)
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10:25.46Jucatoer astan... I said #kde4-devel
10:25.48Jucato(notice the '4' in there? :P)
10:25.56astanoops.
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10:26.55astanJucato: Techbase instructions recommends different things based on where in Techbase you read ;)
10:27.09Jucatothe main guide on building kde 4
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10:28.00astanhttp://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Create_a_user_account_for_KDE4_development <-- see the Note.
10:28.08astan"However it is much more efficient to do everything with a single user account, see Increased Productivity in KDE4 with Scripts for more details."
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10:28.20astanis what i'm using and it works fine, just need to sort this one out ;)
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10:52.47Hestv4I just installed kde 3.5, and I can't find where to change screen resolution...
10:53.35oGALAXYoyeah screen resolution change is a story of its own..
10:53.41oGALAXYothere is a tool for kde that does this...
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10:54.23oGALAXYobut setting up screen resolution is better done with the XOrg configuration tools or the config file itself /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:54.34Hestv4oGALAXYo: there was no problem in gnome, but otherwise gnome feels a little toothless... well, I can edit xorg.conf, but that's not the way I want to have to do
10:55.08oGALAXYoright kde has a similar tool like gnome..
10:55.24oGALAXYobut then even the gnome tool relies on a properly set up xorg.conf file if i am not mistaken.
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10:56.40oGALAXYohttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faqs/uploaded_images/kde-control-center-739514.png
10:56.45JucatoGNOME doesn't include a utility to modify xorg.conf. It's up to the distros to provide that.
10:56.48Jucatoso does KDE
10:56.54oGALAXYoright
10:57.19oGALAXYohttp://www.cscheng.info/wp-content/ubuntu-install2.png
10:57.22oGALAXYobut it has that tool
10:57.25Jucatoboth of them only provide changing resolutions, etc. stuff that doesn't modify xorg.
10:57.29Hestv4I'm missing exactly that one in my peripherals.. :)
10:57.31oGALAXYothat again depends on correct xorg.conf
10:57.42oGALAXYoHestv4: what distribution ?
10:57.50Hestv4oGALAXYo: ubuntu...
10:57.52Hestv4feist
10:57.57oGALAXYohmmm...
10:58.02oGALAXYomaybe a missing package ?
10:58.03JucatoHestv4: check if you have "kde-guidance"installed
10:58.17Jucatoalso, are you using KControl (KDE default) or System Settings (Kubuntu's default)
10:59.12Hestv4thanks! that guideance seems to be what I want
10:59.48JucatooGALAXYo: that one you showed for Ubuntu, that's the equivalent of the default KDE Display module. doesn't change xorg.conf. just the resolution/refresh rate
11:00.04Jucatostuff normal users could do
11:00.11Jucatonormal accounts I mean
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11:01.03oGALAXYoJucato: thats what i said.
11:01.06Hestv4Jucato: exactly what I wanted!
11:01.30Hestv4it just feels a little strange that it doesn't show up under "configure desktop"...
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11:01.46Jucatoah they removed that long ago (in Kubuntu)
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11:02.32Hestv4oh well.. now I can play with kde for a couple of days before I decide if it is love or hate.. ;)
11:02.34Jucatoto be fair, GNOME doesn't have that when you right-click on the desktop too :)
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11:02.53Hestv4Jucato: as I said, gnome feels too toothless...
11:03.52Jucatolet not Kubuntu be your one and only source of KDE experience. because it is quite different from a defalt (vanilla) KDE setup...
11:04.06Hestv4Jucato: ubuntu, not kubuntu...
11:04.21Hestv4just to make things worse :)
11:04.39Jucatoer... if you installed KDE on Ubuntu, that would be Kubuntu practically
11:04.51Hestv4practically, yes...
11:04.53Jucatoalthough you would need to install "kubuntu-desktop" for the full Kubuntu experience
11:04.56Jucatoanywayg, gtg
11:06.07Hestv4ok, 258 other megs....
11:06.38Hestv4I've just started using linux after 10 years with netbsd...
11:06.58Hestv4some things I love, other things I hate.. both ways
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11:10.17oGALAXYoaktually a full installed KDE desktop with office etc.. is around 100 mb smaller in size than doing the same with gnome.. but then this all depends on dependencies etc..
11:10.23AnonycatIs there any way to change the font/size specifically for Konqueror's bookmarks toolbar (because I don't want monospace 14)?
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11:33.52pipHello
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11:41.10HalcaHi pip
11:41.25pipHello how to deal with this problem : http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kpdfjo1.png
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11:41.34pipthe view problem
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11:41.45pipHalca, Hi : )
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11:44.26HalcaOkay, just one moment
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11:45.27HalcaWhat exactly is the problem?
11:45.36HalcaThe images aren't matching up?
11:47.38pipHalca, As you see ,in the left of the image ,the list of items are white and black ,that's the problem
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11:56.28HalcaAre you sure it's not a theming issue
11:57.17Jucatopip: in KControl -> Appearance and Themes -> Colors, from the dropdown list at the rightmost part of the window, select "Alternate Background in List"
11:57.36piplet me try ...
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12:05.19pipJucato, thank you !
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12:17.36velleHi. I have playing around with dcop, and written a script that starts up a number of Konsoles, like I want them. But how can I execute something in the just opened Konsole? I need to start "tail -f log.txt" in some of them.
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12:19.10PhilRodvelle: konsole -e 'somecommand'
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12:19.41PhilRodhrm, ISTR there's a problem with doing that. Let me grep my logs
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12:21.10PhilRodah, you don't need to quote the command. ie:
12:21.17PhilRodkonsole -e tail -f foo.log
12:21.25Jucatoproblem...
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12:21.32Jucatoit closes the konsole window once it's done
12:21.48PhilRodkonsole -e bash tail -f foo.log
12:21.51Jucatohow would make it not close it? (always been wondering about that...)
12:21.54PhilRod...might work
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12:23.22eifzonhow do i change the kdm theme?
12:23.40velleI think I can do it that way, but I was more hoping for a way to execute in an existing konsole.
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12:24.14Jucatoeifzon: hard way would be to manually edit config files. easy way would be to install an app called "kdmtheme" that gives you a kcontrol module for that
12:24.24eifzonok Jucato
12:24.26mohamed_hello all, is there a method to make kmail imaap filter faster  ?
12:24.42Sho_velle: Yakuake has DCOP commands to run commands in existing sessions, if that helps you in any way ...
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12:25.17velleSho_: I think that is what I need. I will have a look at Yakuake. Thanks :)
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12:25.27PhilRodvelle: there's a konsole option to open with extra dcop commands (see konsole --help). Might offer what you need
12:25.38PhilRoddon't forget to use dcopstart if you're not already
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12:28.51JucatoPhilRod: 4.0 release pushed back. now you have more time for the docs. yay! :)
12:29.24PhilRodyeah, and nixternal has created some buzz - we've got a bunch of new subscribers on k-d-e
12:29.31PhilRodgotta find things for them to do though...
12:29.32Jucatohahah nice! :)
12:29.52Jucatooh have you seen nixternal's work on the Kubuntu System Docs?
12:30.07vellePhilRod: Might be a better solution. Thanks.
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12:31.28JucatoPhilRod: http://jucato.org/stuff/gutsy_help.png
12:32.44PhilRodooh, that's nice
12:32.55PhilRodI wonder if we could pull that into kde
12:33.03JucatoI think he hopes to do that
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12:33.43JucatoI think that's part of the topic-based help that *buntu is pushing through. I'm cheering nixternal on :)
12:33.51Jucato<-- can only be a cheerleader at this point :P
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12:34.10Jucatoalthough right now our biggest problem on Kubuntu is a broken htdig...
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12:37.50illogic-alJucato: is that a bleach pic in your image module?
12:38.05illogic-allabeled harlem_yamato.jpg.
12:38.15Jucatoah dunno actually... :/
12:38.22illogic-alheh
12:38.32Jucatobut no, I don't think I've seen that character in bleach
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12:38.47Sho_http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article733264.ece is whacky
12:39.02Jucatohi Sho_! :)
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12:41.03PhilRodJucato: re htdig, I really want to get that torn out and replaced with something strigi-based
12:42.09JucatoPhilRod: ooh that would be nice. I think the only (Linux) distro that has managed to work around that htdig madness is SUSE. (Not sure about Gentoo of course)
12:43.10illogic-alhey philrod, what's up?
12:43.42PhilRodheya illogic-al. I'm good. How're you?
12:44.21PhilRodJucato: yes, you're right (afaik) - that's why I want it replaced with something that, like, you know, works
12:44.24illogic-alPhilRod:  Pretty good actually. Going to a wedding today. :-)
12:44.35nixternalJucato: htdig is broken everywhere I have looked :)
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12:44.44Jucatoyay nixternal's alive!!!
12:44.55nixternalunfortunately yes :)
12:45.09nixternalhowdy PhilRod
12:45.12Jucatohahah! did you see my little advertisement of your work? hehehe
12:45.27nixternalI sure did, but how come it looks horrible in that screenshot?
12:45.33Jucatodunno hahaha
12:45.43Jucatodidn't change anything here except font sizes
12:45.52nixternalya, it looks beautiful in mine
12:45.55Jucato:P
12:45.56nixternalthe underlines and such
12:45.56PhilRodnixternal: are you viewing it in kuickshow?
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12:46.32PhilRodoff to try my wireless card. Hopefully be back in a few minutes, but longer if it causes a kernel panic (again)
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13:03.04^andy^hey
13:04.09Sho_andersin: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> Chat Window -> Hide Join/Part/Nick events
13:04.19Sho_andersin: And there's also a #konversation, FWIW
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13:09.23andersinThanks. Didn't know about #konversation.
13:10.07pinotree^andy^: if you have no questions, no
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13:18.45^andy^yep it's a kipi plugin, i've look in the project site.. no updates but i've found the plugin in the kde svn
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13:19.18Jucatomight want so ask people in #digikam
13:20.48^andy^i will try but i found always dead channels... i hope to be more lucky :)
13:21.01^andy^i've already tried in kipi channel
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13:31.40Sulo_SeppaAny estimates on when kde4 will be out?
13:31.56Jucato4.0 will be tagged on December 20
13:32.14illogic-almaybe
13:32.40Jucatoat this point, we can only say that it's on the schedule :)
13:32.40Sulo_SeppaSorry, I just cannot wait, it is looking very nice so far
13:33.05illogic-althe current sheduled release in in laate december but this is subject to change if the developers deem it necessary.
13:33.27illogic-alchances are it will be out in time for christmas however :-)
13:33.29Sulo_SeppaI hope it comes out on my birthday. That would be the best birthday present
13:34.05Jucatonot this again heheh :)
13:34.06illogic-althere were too many things left to do and rushing would have been a bad idea.
13:34.30JucatoI'm just glad they announced it, and this early... :)
13:34.38illogic-alright stoned ?
13:34.41Sulo_SeppaHmm, well I use Qt a lot, would I be of help?
13:34.52illogic-alSulo_Seppa: sure.
13:34.57Jucatoany help would be of help :)
13:35.11illogic-alSulo_Seppa: you just need to find an application you like and start contributing.
13:35.26Sulo_SeppaWhat applications need work?
13:35.32Sulo_SeppaIs it just Qt4 porting?
13:35.40illogic-alor do documentation, or bug triaging, or promo work, or art... etc
13:36.06Jucatodepends.. some apps need porting, some already ported, etc
13:36.14Jucatosome need more love than others...
13:36.16Sulo_SeppaWhere can I find this information?
13:36.25illogic-alSulo_Seppa: no, not just qt4 porting. but there's probably some of that work left over.
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13:36.46Jucato#kde-devel (KDE 3 development) or #kde4-devel (KDE 4 Development) and http://techbase.kde.org
13:36.48illogic-alSulo_Seppa: the mailing lists would be a good place to start. kde-quality per'aps
13:37.12Sulo_Seppaokay thank you
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13:37.36illogic-alSulo_Seppa: I can pretty much tell you what they'll tell you however. Choose something you want to work on, and get started.
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13:38.05illogic-alWe don't assign things to be done so self-motivated is requisite in kde development.
13:38.06root_hi
13:38.09stonedillogic-al: yo
13:38.35stonedillogic-al: I'm supposed to be at work in 20 minutes
13:38.37illogic-alSulo_Seppa: but mentors are also available if you feel things might be too daunting. just ask :-)
13:38.54illogic-alstoned: well i guess i'll let you go then.
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13:39.04stonedyou didn't go to church today?
13:39.05illogic-altalk to you once you get there stoned
13:39.08milianhello
13:39.10Sulo_SeppaDo I need to install KDE4?
13:39.14stonednah
13:39.19stonedim getting stoned before I go
13:39.19milianis there a way to export & import kdewallets?
13:39.21stonedi'll be late
13:39.22stonedlol
13:39.32illogic-alstoned: it's 9:30. church is at 10.
13:39.42stoned9:40
13:39.53illogic-albut no, not going to church till later today, in the afternoon. wedding.
13:39.59stonedyeh
13:40.02stonedmy boy's back in town
13:40.09stonedI woulda went but i didn't know till late last night
13:40.18stonedmaybe next weekend we can go to the city and have some fun
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13:40.57stonedI forgot to email Emil
13:40.58stonedlol
13:41.01stonedshit
13:41.04illogic-alas long as 'fun' doesn't include getting high and  then going for a jovial drive in the city, sure.
13:41.09illogic-alhahah!
13:41.17stonedthats ok
13:41.19illogic-alstoned: he's gonna eat you ALIVE
13:41.21stonedhe doesn't wake up till 11
13:41.24stonedon sundays
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13:41.54stonedillogic-al: I get high, my boy kinda gets high, he likes to drink more though
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13:42.00stonedI like to stone more
13:42.12stonedshit
13:42.17stonedI can't remember where I parked
13:42.19stonedfuck
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13:42.25stonednow I'm gonna be late for sure
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13:42.50illogic-alyou're gonna be even later if you stay here talking to me all morning :-)
13:42.59stonedwell im stoning
13:43.05stonedim only 10 minutes away
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13:43.51stonedoh my stomach hurts
13:43.53stonedfuck
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13:45.14illogic-alPhilRod: wert thow involved in the great wireless driver scavenger hunt?
13:45.36stonedhey its better now
13:45.39illogic-alstoned: why don't you just go see a doctor?
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13:45.47stonedillogic-al: not curable
13:46.02stonedafter 8 gallons of barium sulphate, cat scans, mris, and god knows what else
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13:46.23stonedeverything short of sticking a tube up my ass for whatever reason they need to
13:46.27stonedforgot what its called
13:46.37illogic-alsexual assualt?
13:46.37stonedi was in the hospital for 3 weeks
13:46.41stonedillogic-al: lol
13:46.48illogic-al:-)
13:47.19PhilRodillogic-al: yes, made worse by the fact that loading up the wireless driver for my card causes a kernel panic
13:47.30PhilRodfreebsd hardward support can be a PITA
13:47.38illogic-alPhilRod: which card. one of those atheros ones?
13:47.39PhilRods/hardward/hardware/
13:47.46PhilRoda d-link one
13:48.03PhilRodatheros ones are among the few that actually have native support
13:48.06illogic-alPhilRod: it sucks on linux too for wireless. it jus sucks a little bit less thanks to ndiswrappers.
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13:49.38illogic-alPhilRod: good to know that they're consistent.
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13:51.09PhilRodillogic-al: I was using the ndis wrapper on freebsd, which is probably what's panicking. Still, it's a royal pain
13:51.50illogic-alaye. i too have felt your royal pain sir.
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14:15.03ncetervalHello, I see that KDE 4 beta 2 has been tagged in SVN.  Does anyone know when/if KDE 4 Live will make a new release?
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14:16.40boom1992nceterval: in a few days i think
14:16.43Jucatoyou will have to wait for beineri to make those. it's being done by a KDE developer
14:16.56Jucato(it's not an official KDE thing though, afaik)
14:17.00boom1992when the beta2 is official announced, then therre will be the live.cd too
14:17.53ncetervalHmm, ok.  Is there any easy way to get in contact with the KDE 4 Live developer (beineri?)
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14:18.34JucatoI think there's some info on his page (where you can get the CD). but I doubt asking him when he'll release it will make him work on it faster. :P
14:18.38Jucatopatience is a virtue
14:18.58ncetervalIndeed
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14:19.14ncetervalI don't see any contact info on the K4L page, though.
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14:19.54Sulo_SeppaPatience? I cut myself everyday that I am without KDE4
14:20.53illogic-alSulo_Seppa: you'll want to start cutting smaller then.
14:20.57illogic-alor not aat all.
14:22.39ncetervalAlright, well, thanks for the info.  Good luck with all of your respective waiting techniques.
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14:56.11avarusHI
14:56.14avarussorry :)
14:57.07PhilRodhi avarus
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14:58.07avarusI wanted to install kde4beta1 and installed any needed lib and just right now I finished compiling "strigi" which worked fine but the install location is wrong so kdelibs can't find strigi...so my generic question is: how can I set a prefix like in automakes configure script? :)
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14:58.18avarushi PhilRod
14:58.43Jucatoare you using packages from your distribution?
14:58.50avarusno, I am using slackware 12
14:59.18avarusI wanted this kde4beta1 to be run in a virtual environment to test things out
14:59.30PhilRodcmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/bla I think
14:59.33avarusso for me everything goes into /usr
14:59.33Jucatofollowing the techbase.kde.org instructions?
14:59.40Jucatoah
14:59.42avarusJucato, for sure
14:59.48avarusPhilRod, thx :)
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15:04.31mymws_hello
15:04.33Sulo_SeppaHey
15:04.38mymws_Is there a Chan for kde4 ?
15:04.43PhilRod#kde4-devel
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15:04.50mymws_thank you.
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15:04.51Jucatofor KDE 4 *development* of course :)
15:05.25avaruspff, I now see the _real_ error. kdelibs expects strigi 0.5.3, but I downloaded 0.5.1 from sf.net
15:05.31avaruswhich is actually the latest there :>
15:06.21eifzonWhy do i get this if i write locale charmap? locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory, locale: Cannot set LC_Messages to default locale: No such file or directory, locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory. (I am using Arch Linux-kde)
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15:06.27KotBehemothello
15:06.34avarushi KotBehemot
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15:06.43KotBehemothow can i change my kde to have just 1 multiple desktop?
15:06.44PhilRodavarus: you'll need the svn version of strigi from the kdesupport package
15:07.01PhilRodKotBehemot: control center -> desktop -> multiple desktops
15:07.03avarusPhilRod, yep, Checked out revision 707649 :)
15:07.21KotBehemotPhilRod: and will it wiork for me with compiz-fusion?
15:07.26KotBehemotwork*
15:07.42PhilRodno idea, ask in #compiz
15:08.14KotBehemotheh have to ask tham than
15:09.04Jucatocompiz/beryl is very famous for not working with KDE's stuff :)
15:09.13Jucatovirtual desktop, system tray, most notably
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15:11.17KotBehemotyeah
15:12.00avarus:)
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15:13.17hiroakihi there, does anyone know which packet i need to install to make volume control with hotkeys work? when i install the package "kde" it work, but i want to kepp my system slim
15:13.43Jucatohiroaki: try asking your distribution about that
15:13.52Jucatobut it would probably be called "kmix"
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15:14.10hiroakii did, kmix is installed, but it doesn't work
15:14.24Jucatowhat exactly isn't working?
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15:14.56ZemusI know that gnome is usually considered to be less of a bloatwhore or system resources hog than kde is. But at the same time, KDE seems to be prefered by so many. My question is: Is it possible to configure KDE to take up the same or less resources than gnome?
15:15.23avarusrofl
15:15.45avaruswhat are you running? 400 mhz with 64mb ram? :)
15:16.09Sulo_SeppaKDE taking up more ram than gnome? No freaking way.
15:16.18JucatoZemus: you can configure KDE to be (almost) anything you want. It mostly depends on how your distro also presents it
15:16.23hiroakii can adjust the volume with kmix and even with my scrollwheel the loudspeaker symbol, but i want to adjust volume by using a hotkey from my keyboard. it does work when i install the metapackage "kde" in debian, but i don't want that, because i want to keep my system small
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15:16.30oGALAXYoZemus: thats bullshit
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15:17.04oGALAXYoZemus: kde asuming its compiled correctly and fully installed (inclusive office) eats less memory and requires less harddisk space...
15:17.08zherlockMy KDE Fonts are to small to read after having changed to 1280x720 screen res. Please advice
15:17.10Jucatohiroaki: right-click on the kmix icon in the system tray, select Show Mixer Window, then go to Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts
15:17.11nixternalKDE uses less resources than Gnome
15:17.29oGALAXYoZemus: i speak from own experience here having compiled gnome and kde probably a couple of thousand times in the past years.
15:17.40JucatoFor Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
15:17.43Zemus... wow
15:17.54ZemusI totally believe you, sounds like an informed answer. I really appreciate the help.
15:18.07JucatoZemus: might want to read that link above
15:18.11ZemusThat's odd, why does KDE have such a reputation for being a "slow bloat whore?" I've heard that all over the internet.
15:18.12hiroakihey, that works,
15:18.16ZemusJucato, I certainly will, and thank you!
15:18.29nixternalJucato: I was just looking for that link
15:18.35JucatoZemus: I know there's a GNOME test done which produced a slightly similar result (of course in favor of GNOME)
15:18.35hiroakinot in the way it worked with the kde metapackage
15:18.47Jucatonixternal: hehe I borrowed ubotu for a second there
15:18.52hiroakiwhen it install the kde-metapackage i hat a fancy windows showing up
15:18.58nixternalubotu has that info?
15:19.03hiroakii had
15:19.07JucatoZemus: but the results did agree that the resource usage differences between the two are negligible
15:19.20hiroakibut it is o.k. without that fancy windows i think
15:19.24Jucatohiroaki: you'll have to ask your distro (presumably Debian) about package information
15:19.26oGALAXYoZemus: but that all depends on compiler used, system, dependencies, the stuff you install.. i give you this information for a "normal gnome installation with probably all needed things + firefox + abiword + evolution" and a full "kde installation + all needed things + koffice + kdedeveloper + quanta"
15:19.27Jucatonixternal: yeah. !ram
15:19.28ZemusJucato, I see. From what I can tell, KDE is more popular...
15:19.33nixternalahh
15:19.39hiroakii did ;) they did not know ;)
15:20.12JucatoZemus: the recent Desktop Linux survey said GNOME is, thanks to Ubuntu. but it's all statistics and personal views. don't be swayed by popularity as the only reason to use something
15:20.16avarusZemus, from what desktoplinux told that's not true :)
15:20.19avarusya
15:20.22hiroakiwho cares about polularity? everyone uses what he or she likes o_O
15:20.29avarusack :)
15:20.34Jucatohiroaki: you have to be more specific. fancy windows can mean a lot of things
15:20.44hiroakio.k.
15:21.01ZemusDoes beryl work ok with kde? I've never seen it used that way.
15:21.11Jucatowell yes and no... :)
15:21.14hiroakiberyl works fine
15:21.17ZemusAlso: You can make kde look like gnome easily, right? I mean, ffs, you could make it look like windows, or os x, so... :P
15:21.19Jucatoit works, but not 100% smoothly
15:21.26Jucatoew... :P
15:21.28ZemusJucato, that's a pity. :/
15:21.31Jucatoplease make KDE look like KDE hehe
15:21.37ZemusJucato, just checking ;)
15:21.47JucatoZemus: not KDE's fault though... compiz and beryl originally started with very GNOME dependencies
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15:22.02ZemusJucato, right. I'm sure it'll be fixed in the future, right?
15:22.15JucatoZemus: no need to. KDE 4 will have it's own fancy stuff :)
15:22.19ZemusJucato, actually, I hear KDE and gnome are joining into one desktop environment...? Is that still true?
15:22.28Jucatostill true? never was true
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15:22.31oGALAXYoZemus: no thats not true
15:22.33ZemusJucato, ok. :|
15:22.42oGALAXYoZemus: the architecture behind it are far far too different.
15:22.42ZemusoGALAXYo, no idea where I got that one then, haha... :P
15:22.43nixternaloh heck no
15:22.46Zemushahaha
15:22.52hiroakiwell, when i used the hotkeys with the kde metapackage it had a grey rectangle in the middle of my screen, with a bar into it, displaying the volume. that was pretty nice
15:22.56ZemusThanks for the help, though :)
15:23.02Sulo_SeppaQt is almost exactly the same as GTK ZOMG!!1!
15:23.03nixternal1 desktop environment would be like 1 operating system...very bad
15:23.06Jucatohiroaki: that's KMilo
15:23.07oGALAXYothey too starts sharing a few things but thats just a pit of the whole mountain.
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15:23.49JucatoZemus: there's an effort to cooperate on some things that will make it easier for apps from either GNOME or KDE or some other place to work on other environments
15:23.58hiroakiJucato thanks, i'll give it a try, do i need to restart kde to try it?
15:23.59Jucatoit's called FreeDesktop.org
15:24.12Jucatohiroaki: no. I'm not exactly sure how it works heheh
15:24.47Jucatohiroaki: you're using debian right? there's a #debian-kde channel I think. on OFTC server
15:24.51Jucatonot absolutely sure
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15:25.45hiroakii will try it to, for now i will restart kde
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15:27.22thechefI need KMail to start on login, minimized. What's the correct way to do it? Use Kontact, or just kstart? With kstart I have the problem that I have to click twice on the tray icon the first time until it opens the kmail window
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15:29.36hiroakijucato, it was kmilo, thank your very juch :)
15:29.38hiroakimuch
15:29.43Jucato:)
15:30.00hiroakiyou are great, thank your for your patience :)
15:30.21Jucatothanks for the compliment :)
15:30.28hiroaki:)
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15:34.04LinuxLlamaHi, when I try to compile the latest KDE 4 svn, I get this error after making http://rafb.net/p/rQYPS178.html can someone tell me what it means?
15:34.14LinuxLlamaI'm using Pclinuxos 2007
15:34.41avaruslilalinux, you need qt4.3.x
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15:34.51LinuxLlamai use qt-copy thats in svn
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15:35.13LinuxLlamaoh... similar names :P
15:35.20LinuxLlamayes jucato
15:35.23avarussorry :)
15:35.32LinuxLlamahaha its my fault
15:35.41Jucato:)
15:35.44thiago_homeLinuxLlama: you're trying to build KDE 4 against Qt 3. Did you build Qt 4 already?
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15:36.06LinuxLlamayes
15:36.14LinuxLlamamake and make install
15:36.16IamEthoswill <insert catchy name for Arts replacement> be able to work with Jack?
15:36.30Jucatooh thiago just a quick question about Qt (and KDE for that matter), is it possible to create non-rectangular/irregularly shapped widgets with Qt?
15:36.39IamEthosin KDE 4 that is
15:36.47hiroakiis it possible to change the colour of the kmilo volume window?
15:37.05Jucatohiroaki: not sure
15:37.20NarishmaIamEthos: does xine or gstreamer work with jackd ?
15:37.42LinuxLlamathiago_home: so do I need to remove qt3 and reinstall qt4.3?
15:37.45hiroakio.k. i'll give it a try
15:37.48thiago_homeLinuxLlama: no
15:37.59LinuxLlamahmm...
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15:38.02thiago_homeLinuxLlama: you need to install Qt 4.3. Or you can build it from sources.
15:38.07thiago_homeLinuxLlama: do NOT remove Qt 3
15:38.10LinuxLlamaok
15:38.26LinuxLlamaso is qt-copy in svn 4.3?
15:38.27thiago_homethe techbase article explains how to build Qt from sources.
15:38.40PhilRodIamEthos: check matthias kretz's blog. IIRC 4.0 will only have the xine engine, but others will follow
15:38.42LinuxLlamaI DID build it from sources
15:38.46thiago_homeif your distribution already ships Qt 4.3, you can install that one and skip that part of the instructions
15:38.59LinuxLlamait does not, so i built it from source.
15:39.13thiago_homeLinuxLlama: where did you install it to?
15:39.50LinuxLlama'/usr/lib/qt4' i think
15:39.57IamEthosPhilRod, wow, if that is his girlfriend/wife, he is a lucky man
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15:42.31Sulo_SeppaThere are two kinds of linux users: One who uses Qt, and the other who hates life.
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15:49.07MrParanoiai have 357 installed on mandriva 2007.1 - the problem i'm having is the missing border around the windows - i.e. the minimize/maximize/close buttons are missing - and i can't type anything into a window - i.e. terminal window - what am i missing?
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15:49.37avarusMrParanoia, you are missing the window manager
15:50.28MrParanoiai don't think  so
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15:50.35avarusok :)
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15:51.26PR1MUXhey can anyone give me some advice on fedora 7, im trying to install 3495 driver INTEL wireless pro but i keep running in to problems
15:51.44JucatoPR1MUX: might want to ask in #fedora about that
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15:51.51PR1MUXok
15:52.06PR1MUXi need to be identified to join that channel lol
15:52.07PR1MUXwtfmate
15:52.11MrParanoiathe install upgrade was initially successful so i'm wondering what package i removed that might have caused this - the only thing i can remember doing was adding 3D effects which required additional packages
15:52.33MiahManhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC
15:52.37PhilRodMrParanoia: ps aux | grep kwin
15:52.46PhilRodis it running?
15:53.32MrParanoiano, it isn't running
15:53.47LinuxLlamahave i been abandoned?
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15:55.07thiago_homeMrParanoia: you are not running a window manager
15:55.11thiago_homeMrParanoia: start kwin
15:55.13LinuxLlamaok
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15:56.09wolsniPR1MUX: if you're on fedora 7 then you shouldn't need to do anything to get IPW 3945 working (except maybe update to the latest kernel)
15:57.51MrParanoiaPhilRod: that's what the problem was - i removed ia_ora-kde-kwin and then when i re-installed it everything became OK again - thanks
15:57.56BlueMaexhow can i start kontact minimized?
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15:58.29thiago_homeBlueMaex: kstart --help
15:58.47MrParanoiatoo bad there isn't a message that states that it is needed in order for things to work right
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16:18.32ZemusYou guys are awesome. Thanks again for the help. :D It's been a full hour and #gnome still hasn't answered the question you answered as soon as I came in here. KDE ftw! :>
16:19.08PhilRodjust depends what time of day/week you arrive - sometimes this place is completely dead, sometimes it's buzzing
16:19.52ZemusHeh.
16:20.26thiago_homeif you ask when everybody is asleep, no one answers
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16:27.56LinuxLlamai think i have been abandoned
16:28.30LinuxLlamahow do i tell kdelibs4 to compile against qt4? its using qt3 for some reason
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16:29.30LinuxLlamasorry
16:29.39t35t0rit should use what it wants
16:29.46t35t0rchecked the config logs?
16:29.52LinuxLlamayeah
16:30.04LinuxLlamait detects qt-copy-4.3.x or something
16:30.45LinuxLlamaand i ran 'export QTDIR="/usr/lib/qt4"'
16:31.34PhilRoddo the compile lines contain "-I/path/to/qt3" ?
16:31.49LinuxLlamayes
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16:32.32thiago_homeQTDIR isn't used
16:32.36thiago_homedon't set it
16:32.37LinuxLlamaok
16:32.47thiago_homemake sure QMAKESPEC isn't set either (some distributions have that bad habit)
16:32.51thiago_homeset PATH correctly
16:33.13LinuxLlamawhat do you mean? set PATH correctly? haha... ive seen that so many times but ive never been able to figure it out
16:33.32LinuxLlamaQMAKESPEC isnt set, so thats good.
16:33.33thiago_homeset PATH correctly to include qmake
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16:34.12LinuxLlamaso... export PATH="something..."
16:34.18LinuxLlamawhat do i put for something
16:34.44LinuxLlamaoh thats interesting
16:34.45thiago_homeif you run "qmake --version", it must say "QMake version 2.01a" and give you the correct path to where you installed Qt.
16:34.51LinuxLlamadeclare -x PATH="/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin/:sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/firebird/bin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin:/home/sam/bin"
16:35.01LinuxLlama/usr/lib/qt3
16:35.27LinuxLlamaoh thats bad...
16:35.28LinuxLlamaUsing Qt version 4.3.0-snapshot-20070423 in /usr/lib/qt3/lib
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16:36.14LinuxLlamathat was from when i tried to get alpha 1 to work, i think
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16:37.17thiago_homeis QMAKESPEC set?
16:37.20LinuxLlamanope
16:37.40thiago_homethen your setup is really broken
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16:37.50LinuxLlamaok
16:37.59thiago_homeyou must have destroyed your system's Qt 3 installation in the process
16:38.02LinuxLlamaill remove all traces of qt4 then reinstall qt3
16:38.10thiago_homeyes, do that
16:38.12LinuxLlamaok
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16:52.51KebianizaoHello
16:53.25KebianizaoI'm writing a bug report. How do I place a hyperlink to another bug in the bug report descrition field?
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16:56.02oGALAXYoKebianizao: simply write the bug number.. i think the bugsquad team will solve it
16:56.34thiago_homeKebianizao: just write: bug #nnnnnn
16:56.38Kebianizaolike this: #146867, or this 146867?
16:56.40Kebianizaoahh ok
16:56.43Kebianizaothanks
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17:10.36arashHi guys, what recommmendations for  email-client?
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17:12.33wolsniarash_: i think in #kde most people would recommend kmail :)
17:12.44Kebianizaoright :)
17:12.44arash_ops, sorry mistake  i clicked that i dropped, any1 commented emailclient?
17:12.54wolsnijust me
17:13.09arash_Kmail eh, you compared it with TB?
17:13.12Kebianizaowell, in most cases, I don't for IMAP mail
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17:13.33wolsniKebianizao: the cached imap is way better than the regular imap
17:13.36Kebianizaoarash_: yes, it's more integrated and does some jobs better
17:13.53arash_ah, well, sounds like it's definetly worth a try :)
17:14.01Kebianizaowolsni: there are some serious bugs with IMAP AFAIK, don't really know what are the about
17:14.07Kebianizaoarash_: it does
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17:14.21Kebianizaowolsni: for IMAP I think mailody is the best option
17:14.27arash_what IMAP?
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17:14.42wolsniarash_: it's a mail access protocol
17:14.46wolsnilike POP3
17:14.52arash_lol, I mean 'what's' ;)
17:14.57arash_aha
17:15.05arash_SMTP any1 ;)?
17:15.14wolsniarash_: that goes the other way
17:15.36arash_Isy Mail Transfer Protocol XD ?
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17:15.56Kebianizaoarash_: simple *
17:16.04Kebianizaosoooo simple....
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17:17.31arash_guys... where is Kmail :p?
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17:17.51Kebianizaoarash_: do you have it installed?
17:17.59Kebianizaothat's the first step ;)
17:18.02arash_According to Adept yes :p
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17:18.30Kebianizaojust run kmail
17:18.35arash_eh ok
17:18.47arash_t :)
17:18.48Kebianizaoin the internet menu section
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17:21.26arash_why cant 1 person make predefine Gmail instead of every 10'000 do it  :@
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17:34.25Angelusdoes someone know where kde3.5.7 is installed on kubuntu?
17:34.39KebianizaoAngelus: ask #kubuntu
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17:34.45Angelusok
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17:45.58secleinteerhi, does anyone know if there will be support for tabs in dolphin?
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17:50.57Sho_secleinteer: Not in 4.0, and probably not beyond either
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17:51.49secleinteerSho_: so basically it's going to be like nautilus for kde
17:52.02secleinteerwhat's wrong with having the _option_ to have tabs at least
17:52.10wolsnisecleinteer: that option exists in konqueror
17:52.18avarus<PROTECTED>
17:52.30Sho_secleinteer: Hm well, I can't find the features of Nautilus I find most memorable (lots of crashing and slowness) in Dolphin so far
17:52.46secleinteerwell that's all of gnome
17:52.56Sho_secleinteer: You can still use Konq, btw
17:53.00secleinteerwolsni: but is konqueror as a file browser still going to be maintained?
17:53.12secleinteeror is that going to be deprecated in kde4?
17:53.21wolsniit will still be around
17:53.32wolsnii think it will even import functionality from dolphin where applicable
17:53.35Sho_secleinteer: Right now there are no plans to remove file browsing from Konqueror
17:53.53secleinteerbut dolphin will be the default manager?
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17:54.00wolsniyes
17:54.06Sho_secleinteer: Konqueror will also re-use the file listing components developed by Dolphin, so there's not a lot of redundancy on the code level
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17:54.18secleinteeryeah, i read about that
17:54.29secleinteerbtw, i had a question about the tabs in konq that one of you might be able to answer
17:54.43secleinteerif you change the default listing view to "detail list"
17:54.47secleinteerthat only applies to the first tab
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17:55.00secleinteeris there some way to make it apply to multiple tabs automatically?
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18:09.26PsycoshotHey, has anyone here had a problem with Amarok, the list, instead of it being 1 lighter colour, one darker, it goes 1 REALLY light the other normally dark.
18:09.26PsycoshotRight now my lsit goes white dark blue, white, dark blue
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18:09.49KebianizaoPsycoshot: maybe you chose another theme
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18:15.39PsycoshotI know its not the the,e
18:15.41Psycoshot*themem
18:15.44Psycoshot**theme
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18:16.00PsycoshotIt is right when I set the colours
18:16.05Psycoshotthen I change desktops
18:16.06Psycoshotand back
18:16.18Psycoshotand then its screwed
18:16.23Psycoshotor when ai change the song
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18:39.23PsycoshotDoes anyone here have Kiba-dock
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18:39.40sabayonlive-2896in the menu where file , edit, view appear , it is color RED . how do i change these colors?
18:40.13annmasabayonlive-2896: what menu?
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18:40.52PsycoshotI think he means the menu bar in like programs?
18:40.59sabayonlive-2896like in konqueror , the bar up on top
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18:41.34PsycoshotKmenu>System settings >appearnece
18:41.39annmadecoration window?
18:42.25thiago_homesabayonlive-2896: the one where you read "File", "Edit", "View" ?
18:42.48PsycoshotIts the menu bar at the top of every program
18:42.55Psycoshot*almost every
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18:44.01PsycoshotHAs anyone here gotten Kiba-Dock to work for KDE???
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18:44.30sacaterhey
18:44.39sacaterkde seems to keep creating hidden files
18:44.40annmaPsycoshot: what's the problem?
18:44.44sacaterhow do i turn this off?
18:44.49annmasacater: example?
18:44.54sacaterer
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18:44.59sacatero edit a text file with kate
18:45.13Psycoshotannma: I have kiba-dock for my kubunut, and I'm trying to get "stack" plugin to work.
18:45.22annmasacater: you mean a backup file?
18:45.29sacaterannma: yeh
18:45.33Psycoshotannma: But I'm not sure if its like a kde problem
18:45.34sacaterhow do i stop it doing that
18:45.35annmaPsycoshot: #kbuntu
18:45.49pinotreesettings -> configure kate -> opening/saving
18:45.50annmasacater: in Settings Configure kate
18:45.54pinotreesacater: ^
18:45.58sacaterty
18:46.00annmalike pinotree said sacater
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18:46.19sacaternp
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18:46.38sacaterwhat do i need to disable
18:46.58sacaterits k
18:46.59sacatergot it
18:47.01sacaterthanks
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18:52.58MitjaHow do I go to a certain bookmark while on another page?
18:53.05Mitjain kpdf?
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18:56.39sabayonlive-1036when i end a session, how do you make it so when you start it again, the windows you had open appear again?
18:57.12thiago_homethat's the default setting of KDE
18:58.22thiago_homeKDE Control Center, KDE Components, Session Manager
18:58.22sabayonlive-1036when i log out, and login again, all the windows disappear
18:58.48sabayonlive-1036thank you!
18:58.50oGALAXYothiago: he means true session save..
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18:59.03oGALAXYostate saving or so.
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18:59.43sabayonlive-1036yes, found it! thank you!
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19:08.20sabayonlive-1046how do you change  it so all the icons for htm files show up as firefox icons?
19:08.33PogonipCan someone recommed a good source for fixing my PATH? I keep getting 'No such file or dirctory at the end of my $PATH variable, exam: 'bash: /usr/lib/ccache/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/home/Jeff/bin: No such file or directory'
19:08.48thiago_homesabayonlive-1046: have you tried changing the icon for text/html?
19:09.00thiago_homePogonip: wrong channel
19:09.15sabayonlive-1046how do you do that?
19:09.30PogonipCan you recommend a channel?
19:09.45thiago_homesabayonlive-1046: in Konqueror, go to Settings, Configure Konqueror, File Associations
19:10.02thiago_homePogonip: try your distribution's
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19:35.21i0nC4nn0n|homehello.....
19:35.27Kebianizaohi
19:35.34i0nC4nn0n|homejust trying to break the silence...
19:35.47wolsnisilence in a help channel is a good thing :)
19:35.50thiago_homeyou succeeded, now let's go back to the silence :_)
19:36.18i0nC4nn0n|homeroger wilco
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19:40.08odlahas anyone successfully compiled kickoff?  i'd like to do it on debian and i was wondering if anyone knew of a good how-to
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19:42.16annmaodla: I think it's the usual
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19:42.28annmacheck you have kdelibs and qt devel packages
19:42.28odlaannma: ?
19:42.35annmapoint to KDE install
19:42.45annmaand configure with prefix
19:42.48odlaannma: doesn't it require patching?
19:42.51annmamake an dmake install as root
19:43.00annmano idea
19:43.06annmawhere are the sources?
19:43.14annmaif the sources are a patch then it does
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19:43.56annmaotherwise compile and install it, remove K Menu and put kickoff instead
19:44.09odlaannma: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/suse_kickoff_qstyle/
19:44.16annmafrom kicker, can you remove K menu?
19:44.28wolsniyes
19:44.43annmawhat is that odla?
19:44.50annmaseems rather old stuff
19:45.02annmaisn't there any tarball instead?
19:45.15odlai don't know
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19:46.09annmaodla: what kde version do you have?
19:46.19odla3.5.7
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19:46.57odlaroot_: probably not a good idea to irc as root
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19:48.47annmaodla: tehre's a kbuntu package, that won't do it?
19:49.08annmaEdgy Elf
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19:49.33odlaannma: no ... binaries shouldn't be used between ubuntu and debian ... it sometimes leads to broken packages
19:49.41litbmishka: i know a vulnerability in your irc client
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19:50.01odlaannma: and it's chunk full of kubuntu branding
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19:54.14annmaseems that there is no tarball
19:54.18annmathat sucks
19:54.19stonedannma: !
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19:54.36stonedyou've been away
19:54.42stonedare you really back now?
19:54.47annmaI was on vacation, yes
19:54.53annmayes!
19:54.55stonedim so glad to see you
19:55.03stonedhow was your vacation?
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19:55.12annmait was great thanks
19:55.15stonedoh really? you're glad to see yourself too ;)
19:55.23annma;) yeah
19:55.36annmaa bit magalomaniac I know
19:55.42stonedmega*
19:56.00annmaare you superstoned?
19:56.11stonedstone sober
19:56.13stonedat work right now
19:56.26annmayour nick I mean
19:56.41annmawas your nick superstoned recently?
19:56.51stonednever
19:57.00stoneddo you not remember me?
19:57.09stonedNyle
19:57.10stonedstoned
19:57.12annmanot really stoned
19:57.21stonedi was your adopted online son
19:57.23stoned:(
19:57.25stonedhehe
19:57.28annmaoh right
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19:57.41stonedthats bad
19:57.47stonedlol
19:57.54stonedok maybe this will help
19:57.57stonedim the pakistani guy
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19:58.03annma:)
19:58.03stonedwho misses his moms cooking
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19:58.57stonedbut i got the next best thing
19:59.05stonedmy sister, not as good as my mom, but it works
19:59.29annma:))
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20:11.31Freddy2hi
20:12.32Freddy2yesterday i tested the opensuse-based kde4 beta1 livecd, and i saw something strange: the split view mode for konsole only allows you to work in clone mode?
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20:12.55Freddy2why? why don't have both views working in standalone?
20:13.14Skrot-Freddy2: beta 1 is old, try SVN and see if it's still ike that
20:13.17Skrot-like*
20:13.59Freddy2anyway, is this the expected behaviour? or it's only a matter of time to change it?
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20:14.37thiago_homeyou'd have to ask the developer
20:14.43thiago_homebut try beta 2 first
20:14.53Freddy2hmm when will be available?
20:15.04Skrot-It's still clone in recent SVN
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20:15.49Skrot-Freddy2: Same sessions are clone, but you can work on two sessions, one in each split part
20:16.27Freddy2i was wondering to have something similar to the split view that's included at notepad++
20:16.55Skrot-Never tried it, but that the same instance of a session is cloned seems right
20:17.09Freddy2so you can clone a view, or simply move a tab to another view.. even rotate (so this allows you to have both horizontal or vertical splits)
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20:18.45Freddy2you cant take a look at here http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/es/screenshots.php
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20:21.57secleinteercould someone tell me what the "formatted name" field in kontact is?
20:22.10secleinteerdoes it mean [first name] [last name]?
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20:23.19sabayonlive-1816where do i go to set partitions?
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20:27.39litbsabayonlive-1816: "set partitions" ??
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20:28.53dergringoIs this the right place to ask questions about kdenlight?
20:29.07thiago_homenever heard of it
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20:31.49Kebianizaodergringo: kdenlive?
20:33.36dergringoKebianizao: http://www.kdenlive.org/
20:34.00Kebianizaodergringo: you spelled it wrong
20:34.36dergringooh sorry I mean kdenlive
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20:44.43x_linkstoned: y0y0
20:44.52x_linkstoned: Hur är det? ;D
20:46.03DaSkreechSho_: Ping
20:46.10Sho_DaSkreech: pong
20:46.12stonedbara bra, tak
20:46.20stonedx_link: its my little neice's bday today
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20:46.29DaSkreechSho_: Two questions
20:46.31stonedI'm gonna try not to buy her a barbie doll
20:46.39stonedI think I'll buy her an ipod or laptop
20:46.44DaSkreechone is konvi one isn't which do you want first?
20:46.47stonedI dunno what little girls like man
20:46.54x_linkstoned: Ohh nice!!
20:46.59stonedi'll buy her a pink ipod
20:47.00x_linkI have a little girl
20:47.05x_linkstoned: Yeah
20:47.07Sho_DaSkreech: however you prefer
20:47.12DaSkreechok
20:47.15x_linkI just bought my girl a pink cellphone
20:47.20stonedcute
20:47.20x_linkSho_: Hi !
20:47.33Sho_hi x_link
20:47.34x_linkSho_: She only takes pictures with it
20:47.40x_linkSho_: Hi, did you see my message?
20:47.53DaSkreechSho_: Does yakuake have a way to alert you ?
20:47.56Sho_x_link: I don't think so, sorry
20:47.57x_linkSho_: It was called scim-qtimm, scim and not scim, just with one "m" =)
20:48.02Sho_x_link: ah
20:48.04DaSkreechI think konsole has a bell and a lil popup thing
20:48.16x_linkThat's why sudp aptitude purge scimm-qtimm didn't work =)
20:49.09Sho_DaSkreech: You can set an audio bell from the context menu for when the window is closed, and the Konsole visual bell (inverts the text widget as flashing) should work in the Konsolepart too. I can't light up the tab or something though, because the KPart doesn't give me a signal I could process (hopefully it will in KDE4)
20:50.10DaSkreechSho_: ok what do you mean when the window id closed?
20:50.57Sho_DaSkreech: Well, if you want to be notified while the window is hidden the audio bell seems to be the prudent choice? ;)
20:51.43DaSkreechSho_: Yeah duh :) unless I get a popup thing
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20:52.47Sho_DaSkreech: Try setting the Bell to "System Notification" and then having a look to the KNotify events for Konsole in KControl -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications. That might get you a popup from the KPart, too.
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20:55.50DaSkreechSho_: neat Ok Next
20:55.56DaSkreechSho_: What's the KDe4 konvi plan?
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20:57.07Sho_DaSkreech: Currently the plan is to finish Konversation 1.1 for KDE 3 in the next few weeks and then start porting it to KDE 4 during its string freeze
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20:57.45DaSkreechSho_: can telepathy work for konversation?
20:57.55DaSkreechLike linking someone's IM to the IRC nick?
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20:58.32InvisibleEyeHi, how can I install a .kcsrc file?
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20:59.17odlaInvisibleEye: isn't that a colour scheme?  through kcontrol import color
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20:59.52InvisibleEyeYeah, thats a colour scheme, I give your hint a try!
21:00.04Sho_DaSkreech: I'm not sure. We're definitely not going to throw away our IRC protocol implementation in favor over some half-assed backend we have to communicate with over a lowest common denominator D-Bus interface, that doesn't make sense for Konversation. For the presence and contact linking stuff, we currently integrate with KAdressBook in KDE 3, as does Kopete, so you can already link someone's IM contact with someone's IRC nick through KAddressBook. Unfortunately
21:00.04Sho_the library/API that allows us to do this has not been ported and is effectively gone, so we will no longer have KAddressBook integration in the initial KDE 4 release as far as I can see.
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21:00.44DaSkreechSho_: But isn't that essentially what telepathy is? A notification of linkage?
21:00.44Sho_DaSkreech: I'm not sure if Decibel is what is going to replace that, or if it's Khalki, or whatever - but we do plan to add that functionality back as soon as we can. But it doesn't look like it will be before KDE 4.1.
21:01.05DaSkreechI think it might be Khalki but that's shelved
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21:01.38DaSkreechYeah I'm over all not expecting much apps to do things before 4.1
21:01.49InvisibleEye<odla> It works great thnx!
21:02.44Sho_DaSkreech: Telepathy is a lot of things. One of the things it is is a way to have protocol implementations in some backend that is seperate from the frontend app and they communicate over DBus -- that's something we definitely won't do; we'll keep our IRC protocol implementation internal to the application.
21:02.56odlaInvisibleEye: good
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21:03.21Sho_DaSkreech: If Decibel (as KDE's Telepathy implementation) becomes the de-facto way to do thinks like the 'account linkage' and communicate presence information on the desktop and what not, we're going to use it for that
21:03.51DaSkreechSho_: So currently the plan is port and then lurk to see whats good
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21:04.50Sho_DaSkreech: Decibel won't be ready for 4.0 as I understand it and the tech we currently use to do KAddressBook integration (and thus interoperate with Kopete & Co) is also gone from 4.0, so for that first release aimed at KDE 4.0 we don't really have a lot of options, yeah ..
21:05.20DaSkreechwait you are making it in for 4.0?
21:05.24DaSkreechsweet :)
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21:05.49Sho_DaSkreech: No, we're staying in Extragear.
21:06.20Sho_DaSkreech: We are going to try to have a fairly straight KDE 4 port of the app available in time for the KDE 4.0 release or at least as early as possible in its life cycle, however.
21:06.37DaSkreechOh yeah
21:06.45DaSkreechKonvi is one of those
21:07.31Sho_DaSkreech: We'll have to see if that's possible ... we're starting pretty late, so there's a lot to change and adapt to, and while the Konversation code isn't particularly complicated there is a lot of it
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21:08.13DaSkreechthats ok
21:08.34Sho_DaSkreech: Taking things like KAddressBook integration out is actually helpful in that regard though ;)
21:08.48Sho_That's the upside of the downside
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21:10.33DaSkreechStart of a revolution :)
21:11.03Sho_(so is the release date back-bump *hides from pinotree*)
21:11.28pinotree...
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21:12.08DaSkreechthere he is
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21:13.06benJImanThe main upside of the delay is that it's still going to be completely broken in october, and after all the hype a completely broken release wouldn't be great for KDE reputation.
21:14.08DaSkreechThe main downside is the shaking of the head of Mr Shuttleworth
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21:16.51KebiaAWAYdergringo: maybe you're luckier in their mailing list
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21:16.56DaSkreechthough I recall him saying that he would give 4.0 a break :)
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21:19.13fagewhen will kde4 be out ?
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21:19.53benJImanDoes anyone have any suggestions why escape key would stop functioning in KDE, even though xev shows it is still emiting the correct keycode?
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21:20.43DaSkreechfage: When it's done
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21:25.20benJImanCould have sworn I didn't change anything.
21:26.34Sho_benJIman: Which setting?
21:26.51benJImanSho_: However I've disabled the escape key.
21:27.10benJImanKhotkeys and xev recognise it as esc, but it no longer cancels dialogues, and doesn't cancel find-as-you-type etc.
21:27.24Sho_benJIman: Ah. It sounded like you had just found the cause and I was curious as to what it was
21:27.45benJImanNo I'm trying to find it.
21:28.01benJImanTried another user and it works there, so must be a setting.
21:28.10benJImanBut I really can't remember changing anything.
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21:34.02benJImanEven deleting kdeglobals khotkeysrc etc doesn't fix it.
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21:34.27benJImanWhen I find it I'll svn blame whoever made this setting ¬_¬
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21:51.11B4ckBOneis there something like vino for gnome for kde?
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21:51.56B4ckBOnevino is a vnc server which allows remote controll of a running x session .. so the user sitting at the pc can see what you are doing remoteley
21:51.57Ace2016The error messages get stranger every day
21:52.00Ace2016XDM_MANAGED="/var/run/xdmctl/xdmctl-:0,maysd,mayfn,sched,rsvd,method=classic" Fontmap entry for John's has an invalid file or alias name! Giving up.
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21:53.53B4ckBOneany ideas?
21:54.01B4ckBOnenoone?
21:54.01toskyB4ckBOne: krdc, in the kdenetwork module
21:54.04NarishmaB4ckBOne: krdc
21:54.21B4ckBOnekrdc is the client ? isnt it?
21:54.59Narishmayes
21:55.28B4ckBOnei need a vnc server, able connecting to a logged on user's screen
21:55.56Ace2016for kde?
21:56.02B4ckBOneyes
21:56.14B4ckBOnejust like vino for gnome
21:56.16Ace2016are you spying on someone?
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21:56.28B4ckBOneno .. helping my clients :-)
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21:56.54B4ckBOneif i would be spying i wouldnt want to take controll of the mouse and keyboard
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21:57.11Rasihmm
21:57.13Rasii am searching for a good ed2k client for kde
21:57.15Rasiis there one?
21:57.24NarishmaB4ckBOne: there's a vnc server in kde
21:57.33NarishmaB4ckBOne: it's called desktop sharing or something like that
21:57.42Narishmaand you can connect to it with krdc
21:57.51Rasiyup
21:58.02Rasiits in the package krfb
21:58.19B4ckBOnekrfb .. looking into it now
21:58.22B4ckBOnethx
21:58.25Ace2016http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/krdm?content=41692
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21:59.40NarishmaRasi: kmldonkey ?
21:59.48Rasihmm..
21:59.52Rasii tried it before
22:00.00Rasineeds 50mb of dependencies...
22:00.06Rasiand didnt start downloading at all
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22:00.51Rasibut the program itself seemed nice
22:00.53Rasiand fast...
22:00.55Rasihehe
22:01.02Rasimaybe i give it another shot
22:01.25Rasiits just that i dont know of any apps the are based on ML, so it is like 50MB just for a ed2k client
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22:01.55B4ckBOneNarishma, exactly what i was looking for .. thx
22:01.56NarishmaI've never used it myself so I can't say if it's good or not
22:02.02Ace2016http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/15315.html << this looks like what B4ckBOne is after but what is that app called?
22:02.50NarishmaAce2016: that's krfb
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22:04.06B4ckBOneAce2016, thats a nice pictured howto .. im reading it ;-) thx
22:04.14Ace2016oh, it looked like some custom novell app for doing that stuff
22:05.05Ace2016Help, what do i do? http://pastebin.com/d5fd2545d
22:06.19Ace2016Fontmap entry for John's has an invalid file or alias name! Giving up.
22:06.30Ace2016How do i find this john
22:06.51B4ckBOnemaybe its John the ripper ....
22:09.18B4ckBOnejohn the ripper is a password hash breaking software ..
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22:10.23stonedjohn?
22:10.28stonedI thought it was Jack The Ripper
22:10.35stonednamed after the movie/serial killer thing
22:10.51Ace2016no
22:11.01Ace2016its related to my error message
22:11.08Ace2016Fontmap entry for John's has an invalid file or alias name! Giving up.
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22:18.09benJImanSho_: Perhaps it's not a KDE problem, esc isn't working in vim either.
22:18.17benJImanBut xev is showing it as keycode 9, most odd.
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22:19.07benJIman"state 0x10, keycode 9 (keysym 0xff1b, Escape), same_screen YES,"
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22:23.19duvnellI accidently removed my system tray .. how can I get it back?
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22:24.07DaSkreechduvnell: it's an applet just add it back by right clicking kicker
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22:25.18duvnellah.. thx
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22:34.13chuy_maxhi, is it possible to graph circles in kmplot?
22:34.22pinotreeit is
22:34.40pinotreesee the parametric plot type
22:34.40mmiikkee12how do i make my keyboard's volume keys work?
22:36.02chuy_maxmmiikkee12 it seems like OT to me, but I guess you can achieve it with hotkeys daemon
22:36.19mmiikkee12chuy_max, hmm, i remembered something in control center for that but couldn't find it
22:36.28B4ckBOnemmiikkee12, look if its putting out some keycodes
22:36.46B4ckBOneopen a Konsole and type xev .. then press the keys
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22:37.30B4ckBOneif only the keycodes appear .. you must give the keycodes a function .. then you can set them
22:38.21mmiikkee12B4ckBOne, http://pastebin.ca/679351
22:38.28mmiikkee12from xev
22:39.20B4ckBOnekeycode 174   keycode 160
22:39.32B4ckBOnethese are the keycodes ... the numbers :-)
22:39.47mmiikkee12yeah... so what do i do with them?
22:39.48B4ckBOnenow you need to xmodmap them to a anme
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22:39.58mmiikkee12ah... /me reads man xmodmap
22:40.22B4ckBOnekeycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume
22:40.25B4ckBOnefor example
22:40.55B4ckBOnemake a file ~/.Xmodmap containing lines filled with the one above
22:41.06B4ckBOnekeycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume
22:41.30B4ckBOneon boot you execute "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
22:41.35Kebianizaommiikkee12: kcontrol->region & accessibilty-> keyboard layout
22:41.37B4ckBOne" ^^
22:42.00B4ckBOneKebianizao, that way he wont learn the basics ^^
22:42.08Kebianizaommiikkee12: look there for the most adequate
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22:42.26KebianizaoB4ckBOne: it should be up to him what he want to learn
22:42.43Kebianizaomaybe he's not expecting a very comprehensive answer
22:42.53B4ckBOnelinux from scrach ... every linux user should at leas once installed it ^^
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22:43.19B4ckBOnewho cares .. im out
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22:43.27KebianizaoB4ckBOne: this is not #linuxfromscratch, this is #kde
22:43.27mmiikkee12B4ckBOne, i've tried it, failed :)
22:43.33mmiikkee12anyway
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22:43.42Kebianizaotest what I said
22:43.48chuy_maxpinotree I'm having trouble graphing the function, if the circle function is r=x^2+y^2, I assumed that I have to put 2 and 2 in both x and y expressions in parametric functions for a circle of radius 2, am I wrong or what?
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22:44.07pinotreethat's not parametric
22:44.07mmiikkee12chuy_max, it's x^2+y^2=r^2
22:44.10Kebianizaochuy_max: have you tried kalgebra?
22:44.31chuy_maxhola Kebianizao !
22:44.56Kebianizaohola, but take care, this channel is english only
22:45.04mmiikkee12Kebianizao, i selected "HP SK-2501 Multimedia Keyboard" (not what i have, but it said multimedia so i tried it, and the volume buttons now work
22:45.10chuy_maxno, I haven't used it
22:45.24mmiikkee12aside from the huge gray box that appears when i use it that is
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22:45.37Kebianizaommiikkee12: you exact model probably it's not there, but maybe it almost work
22:45.45Kebianizaommiikkee12: that's kmilo
22:46.03Kebianizaochuy_max: maybe you would like to give it a go
22:46.08EvilGuruHow does Kate (and other Kate based editors) choose the 'default' character encoding for a new file?
22:46.18mmiikkee12internet/email/search still do nothing, but i expected that and didn't plan on ever using them for anything anyway
22:46.42mmiikkee12but thanks
22:46.51Kebianizaommiikkee12: maybe lineak is also useful for you but i think it's not developed any more
22:46.58mmiikkee12EvilGuru, tools>encoding
22:47.28Kebianizaommiikkee12: consider reading something about how to submit you exact keyboard layout, I think this depends on X
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22:47.45EvilGurummiikkee12: It is currently iso 8859-1, however I want to make unicode utf-8 the default
22:48.12mmiikkee12EvilGuru, then tools>encoding>Unicode (utf8)
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22:50.24Kebianizaobye
22:50.27mmiikkee12Kebianizao, thanks, the volume keys were all i cared about anyway
22:50.37mmiikkee12...or you can just leave :P
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22:51.36chuy_maxkalgebra seems very good
22:52.24Angeluscan kde be installed on FreeBSD
22:52.25Angelus?
22:52.45chuy_maxyes
22:53.13chuy_maxyou can Angelus
22:53.27Angelusis it included in the FreeBSD cd or it must be compiled from source?
22:56.05bilhow to search a channel here please?
22:56.40bili need the kde fr !!
22:57.00bilor another fr !:D
22:57.15chuy_max#kde-fr ?
22:57.22biloh yes ty mf !
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22:57.59bili say good night for u thank again!
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23:02.22bilthe french don't give answer arrrrrrrrrrr !bad frenchy....
23:03.52bilchuy_max are you expert on sabayon?
23:03.56pinotreebil: a bit of patience
23:04.06biloki
23:04.33chuy_maxbil, sometimes is easier to talk in english than your native language
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23:06.37simmerzwhen I'm using kopete with webcam, the webcam steals focus from the chat window, so I can't type. I've tried adjusting the window specific settings, but it still doesn't help
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23:07.32bilsometime yes lol
23:08.09bilbut some words stay inaccesibility!
23:08.23chuy_maxis it possible to zoom in/out in 3D graph window in kalgebra?
23:08.48simmerzany reason why that might happen?
23:08.50chuy_maxin 2D it works just by moving the mouse wheel
23:08.59bil<PROTECTED>
23:09.16bili try sabayon actualy
23:09.34chuy_maxbil "algebra"
23:09.49bilyes i don't know too
23:10.38bilin sabayon,put in the well mouse and move the cube all direction!
23:11.06bilis that help you ? lol
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23:12.25chuy_maxbil hahaha, no
23:13.02bilyou have beril compiz no?
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23:15.06bilor etheral with all that i don't know to give my head.....
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23:17.06chuy_maxbil, kalgebra is not a distro
23:17.31chuy_maxhow can I plot a sphere in kalgebra?
23:17.55bilyou have compiz?
23:18.18AngelusCompiz-Fusion
23:18.19Angelus:p
23:18.35chuy_maxbil nope, I just replaced my motherboard and it doesn't have agp port for my old video card
23:18.37bilyes now is it this
23:18.56biloh oh !
23:19.07bilnot compatible?
23:19.14chuy_maxthere are not apropriate video drivers for my integrated video card yet
23:19.20bilor no port directly
23:19.34chuy_maxPCI express only
23:19.43bilati?
23:20.31chuy_maxmy old one, yeah
23:20.48biland your integred
23:20.48chuy_maxAti Radeon 7000
23:21.02chuy_maxintegrated is a VIA Unichrome
23:21.24bilohlalalala i don't have this one in my life!
23:21.50bilso do you see on the web site VIA?
23:22.12chuy_maxyep
23:22.21bilor go to you website of you motherboard !!
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23:22.31chuy_maxviaarena.com for drivers, the entire website sucks
23:22.32bilnormaly they have it
23:22.39billol
23:22.59bilgive me your motherboard name exatly
23:23.03chuy_maxyou can say a website sucks when they tell you to download a binary from a site, you go search it and it doesn't exist
23:23.07biland reference
23:23.12chuy_maxvideo[1106:3343 @ VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 Host Bridge]
23:23.29bilmotherboard !!
23:23.37chuy_maxP4M890 -_-
23:23.46bilP4M890 ?
23:23.48bilok
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23:26.11bili need you operating system not the name algrebra you see?
23:26.42chuy_maxGNU/Linux
23:26.52bilsuse  debian? every thing
23:26.54chuy_maxhehehe, distro perhaps?
23:27.02Red_CloudWhenever I use Kpackage to update I go to Special / APT: Debian / Update  which opens a dialogue window to enter my root password.  Within this window there is an option to tick "Keep password".  I have habitually ticked this option but do not know that it has any effect whatsoever.  What does this option do?
23:27.05chuy_maxubuntu 7.04
23:27.40biltry this?  http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=45
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23:28.26chuy_maxbil, trust me, I've tried it, the whole website sucks
23:28.45chuy_maxbil, if you follow the links, you'll get a PDF that tells you to download a binary that is not found anywhere
23:29.28bilhttp://www.viaarena.com/Driver/via_unichrome_fbd_v2.6.00.03a_appnote_ver0.8a.gz think is that no?
23:29.46chuy_maxyup, a compressed PDF
23:29.58bilrealy?nooo
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23:32.32biloh what this website llooool
23:34.44chuy_maxwow, gnuplot rocks, kalgebra should be gnuplot compatible
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23:36.45bilyou found?
23:39.14bilnow if it run properly :D
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23:40.41bilwellllll i go see all later !
23:41.08bilbye chuy.. and good luck  for this driver
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23:54.01Steve^In Kate, how can I show the special characters?
23:54.05Steve^like tabs.. newlines, etc
23:54.31benJImanSteve^: settings -> configure -> editing -> show tabulators
23:55.11Steve^is there a way to show \n and \r too?
23:55.16timrsdoes anyone know why the kgtk engine doesn't change the font in firefox's toolbars and menus?
23:55.25benJImanNot sure, it shows when there's not a newline Steve^
23:55.43benJImanSo when there's nothing shown it's a newline, when there's a greyed out area it's an auto-wrap.
23:56.02AnonycatSpeaking of Kate, is there an add-on that will give me access to word count/other document stats?
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23:56.15Steve^benJIman, my actual issue is my script had a random \r, I wanted to check it out in detail
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23:56.48Steve^oh wait, I got it
23:56.58Steve^I know the problem anyway :P
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23:58.59D-Fenderhello, my laptop has an internal card reader. It detects the card, but when i try to copy more than like 3 files to it at once, it loses contact with the card, then redetects a second later, and my files that were already copied are gone. How do I fix this?
23:59.42timrsD-Fender: that should'nt be a kde issue, go to ur distro channel

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