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00:01.30 | johnrw | i'm on gentoo and the smb:/ don't work |
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00:01.56 | Myr | do you have samba installed? |
00:02.03 | johnrw | yes |
00:02.28 | Sho_ | johnrw: emerge "kdebase-kioslaves" with the samba USE flag, that gets you the SMB kioslave |
00:02.36 | Sho_ | johnrw: And next time: #gentoo-kde is the right channel :) |
00:02.51 | lemur | I loves me soem kde |
00:03.06 | lemur | I remember back in the day when qt wasn't gpl... ah, thoe horrors |
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00:05.27 | johnrw | Sho_: Thanks! I tried in #gentoo-kde, and they just don't even reply. |
00:05.43 | Sho_ | johnrw: I'm actually there too, but I saw your question here first ... sorry ;) |
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00:06.33 | johnrw | Sho_: Thanks... it's cool. |
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00:10.03 | johnrw | Sho_: your good! |
00:10.04 | johnrw | [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.7-r1 USE="arts hal ldap -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -openexr -samba -xinerama" 0 kB |
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00:13.52 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
00:14.19 | Myr | heya |
00:15.18 | contrast83 | Does anyone else here have Genre set to the first level of groupings in Amarok? I'm trying to figure out how to keep it from auto-expanding the genres that only have one album in them everytime I open Amarok. |
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00:17.01 | icwiener_ | That's the same with artists with only one album, so I guess it's the normal behaviour. |
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00:17.16 | level1 | Hi, does anyone here know a way to get webpages to ignore my system color scheme in konqueror? When I have a black on white color scheme, some pages "decide" to become unreadable |
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00:17.49 | level1 | like, maybe just a wrapper that says "default foreground: black, default background: white"? |
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00:18.25 | contrast83 | level1: If you find something out, let me know. I've looked all over the place for that. |
00:18.27 | Myr | configure konqueror -> stylesheets |
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00:18.36 | Myr | make adefault css with the body tag showing the colros you want |
00:18.37 | Myr | and use it |
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00:19.01 | Myr | or actually |
00:19.07 | Myr | Do the use accessability stylesheet |
00:19.09 | Myr | Then configure it |
00:19.12 | Myr | For black on white =) |
00:19.36 | level1 | Myr: that didn't work |
00:20.04 | Myr | o.o hmm |
00:20.06 | level1 | yeah, didn't work |
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00:21.11 | Myr | restart konq |
00:21.18 | Myr | i tried it, and it didnt work, i closed and reopened, works now |
00:21.28 | Myr | its ugly tho =/ |
00:21.31 | Myr | but readable |
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00:27.16 | Myr | level1: did it work after you restarted konq? |
00:27.43 | level1 | Myr: yes, but I wish it didn't override stylesheets on pages that are well behaved |
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00:30.33 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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00:31.47 | MinceR | it's supposed to provide a service to other apps that stores passwords |
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00:32.52 | Red_Cloud | MinceR How does one get apps to use it? |
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00:33.13 | andersin | that usually works automatically |
00:33.18 | andersin | kmail uses it |
00:33.41 | andersin | for storing your account user and pass |
00:33.52 | andersin | konqueror uses it for passwords |
00:34.03 | andersin | unless you have that disabled |
00:34.07 | Red_Cloud | andersin I open Kpackage and whenever it asks for a password to do stuff like update I type in the password and tick the keep password box but it never uses wallet |
00:35.18 | andersin | let me check out kpackage |
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00:36.19 | andersin | not sure if that uses kwallet |
00:37.12 | Red_Cloud | andersin I have not seen any other app use kde wallet except for the email clients. I would really like to use it for other apps so that I do not have to constantly enter my passwords. |
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00:38.05 | derek__ | Red_Cloud: konqueror uses it |
00:38.44 | andersin | The application needs to support kwallet |
00:38.59 | andersin | so that it nows that it can store passwords there |
00:39.15 | andersin | I do not think you can make any application use kwallet |
00:39.26 | Red_Cloud | bummer! |
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00:43.24 | andersin | I think that kpackage simply uses a sudo agent if you ask it to store the password |
00:43.35 | andersin | so that you can use sudo for a session |
00:43.52 | andersin | so it does not store your root pw on disk |
00:44.00 | andersin | god I hope it doesn't |
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00:46.19 | pcbsdhelp | how do i stop people leeching my files on ktorrent? in my status tab it says, some people are leeching from me? |
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00:47.31 | Liquid_Fire | why would you want to do that? that would defeat the purpose of BitTorrent :) |
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00:48.20 | pcbsdhelp | its slowing me down as im downloading...... |
00:48.42 | pcbsdhelp | they can leech after im finished...... |
00:48.48 | pcbsdhelp | its the first file i got....... |
00:48.50 | Liquid_Fire | limit the upload rate then |
00:48.55 | pcbsdhelp | im new to it... |
00:49.29 | Liquid_Fire | from the settings -> Downloads -> Maximum upload rate: set it to something low, and set it back after you're done downloading |
00:49.45 | andersin | if you want to let people have the full download rate after you finish, there is a scheduling plugin |
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00:50.14 | andersin | that one allows you to specify times and the associated download and upload maximums |
00:53.16 | pcbsdhelp | ok |
00:53.38 | pcbsdhelp | do i have to restart it to take effect? |
00:54.14 | pcbsdhelp | and cant i view the file .avi as it downloads? mplayer doesnt like .avi or what? |
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00:54.51 | Liquid_Fire | you don't have to restart |
00:55.14 | Liquid_Fire | and you can't view the file as it downloads, as BitTorrent downloads the file in random (least-available) parts, not start-to-finish |
00:56.09 | Liquid_Fire | you would probably be able view the file with some skipping after most of it has downloaded |
00:56.18 | pcbsdhelp | ok |
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00:57.54 | pcbsdhelp | God........ 23 hours for 700mb? |
00:58.19 | Liquid_Fire | it can depend on how many seeders there are |
00:58.34 | pcbsdhelp | it says 10. |
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00:58.54 | pcbsdhelp | i shud look for another bit torrent site? |
00:59.16 | Liquid_Fire | with BitTorrent you're not downloading the files from a server, but from other people - the less of these people there is, the slower your download will be |
01:00.09 | pcbsdhelp | oh shit...... i clicked BAN on some of the people who had a tick across UPLOAD slots....... i guess thse were the guys who i was leeching frm? how i unban them now? |
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01:00.36 | pcbsdhelp | peers tab? |
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01:02.48 | Liquid_Fire | don't know, haven't banned anyone yet :) |
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01:13.46 | snag\never | Hi! i'm having a problem when starting KDE -- http://rafb.net/p/NFXoLZ48.html -- can some one help me? |
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01:14.03 | snag\never | it stucks on "Initalizing peripherals" |
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01:16.22 | derek__ | snag\never: what distro? looks like a startkde that doesn't match the kde version |
01:16.34 | snag\never | gentoo |
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01:17.53 | snag\never | derek__, gentoo |
01:17.57 | derek__ | snag\never: did this just start, or have you had it working before |
01:18.07 | snag\never | i have it working |
01:18.13 | snag\never | so, i installed compiz-fusion |
01:18.16 | snag\never | and got it working ok |
01:18.20 | snag\never | yesterday |
01:18.29 | snag\never | turned off the computer |
01:18.32 | snag\never | and now, it's not ok |
01:18.44 | Liquid_Fire | i'll repeat it here too, don't run KDE as root :) |
01:18.52 | snag\never | haha ok xD |
01:19.07 | snag\never | Liquid_Fire, so, help me |
01:19.12 | snag\never | i'll run it as normal user |
01:19.19 | snag\never | what do i put on /etc/rc.conf ? |
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01:19.34 | derek__ | snag\never: this is a gentoo bug. #gentoo |
01:20.05 | snag\never | but were working fine \= |
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01:22.18 | derek__ | snag\never:so what changed? You installed a new package and it changed things. that is a packaging issue |
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01:29.04 | Robt | everytime I run pacman, I get a locale error: warning: current locale is invalid; using default "C" locale |
01:29.16 | Robt | It was not happening befora I installed openbox |
01:29.29 | Robt | can someone help me to fix this? |
01:30.08 | Robt | lol |
01:30.09 | Robt | sorry |
01:30.13 | Robt | wrong chat |
01:30.14 | Robt | lol |
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01:33.32 | snag\never | thanks everyone :D |
01:33.44 | snag\never | solved by doing a env-update and source /etc/profile |
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02:59.15 | stoned | what? |
02:59.25 | stoned | oronmays |
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03:05.31 | Simeon_H | this wine tastes like crap |
03:05.32 | Simeon_H | :( |
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03:22.44 | lemur | troy: What's it like up there? |
03:23.30 | troy | umm, I'd have to say this is the first time I've found KDE 4 to be usable |
03:23.48 | troy | nothing is crashing (except when you exit a program) |
03:23.56 | lemur | heh |
03:24.00 | lemur | but you wanted to close anyway |
03:24.04 | qupada | lemur: let's put it this way. there are new features all over the place and it will take you days to find them all, but most of them don't work exactly like you might expect yet |
03:24.46 | troy | qupada: for months I've been talking about single specific features to look forward to, but this is the first time I'm starting to feel the 'integration factor' as I'd like to call it :) |
03:24.48 | lemur | ahh |
03:24.53 | lemur | I'm just discovering kde3's features |
03:25.00 | lemur | someone today just showed me how to use klipper :-/ |
03:25.08 | troy | well, klipper still exists :) |
03:25.16 | lemur | I'm not used to this whole desktop environment thing... |
03:25.18 | qupada | there are a few things you notice straight away of course. everything is svg and damn is it shiny |
03:25.22 | lemur | Even when I'm in KDE or GNOME, I just treat it like a WM |
03:25.34 | troy | qupada: hell yeah - also, the oxygen windeco and style are shaping up nicely now |
03:26.14 | lemur | great |
03:26.15 | qupada | there was one thing that was quite disappointing though. ksirtet, one of only 4 kde games i actually play, is simply missing |
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03:27.11 | troy | qupada: umm, is it simply unmaintained and therefor dropped from 4.0? |
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03:27.21 | qupada | i'd hope not |
03:27.48 | qupada | if that was the case i'd quite possibly get off my arse and learn how to port it to kde4 personally |
03:29.06 | qupada | thing is it's the only game i notice isn't there, everything else i remember is (i don't install most of kdegames3 so i may be forgetting some things), there are even some new games |
03:29.27 | troy | qupada: yeah, it might not have been ported... I'll take a peak |
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03:31.41 | troy | konq seems pretty slow - like 20 seconds to load each page (seems to be an IO related lag) |
03:32.32 | qupada | how is plasma coming along? |
03:32.52 | troy | we have a half usable task manager, thanks to robert knight |
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03:57.18 | stoned | qupada whats up |
03:58.18 | stoned | man |
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03:59.13 | qupada | enjoying the last of my sunday afternoon before i have to go to work tomorrow |
03:59.22 | qupada | which reminds me, i have goddamn ironing to do |
03:59.26 | qupada | ugh |
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04:19.34 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Awake? |
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04:29.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | How do you setup kmilo to change the volume of a different channel other than master? |
04:30.51 | DaSkreech | What's Kmilo again? |
04:32.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | it displays the volume window for you to adjust the volume |
04:32.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | Let me rephrase that to when you adjust the volume from your keyboard |
04:32.39 | DaSkreech | ah ok thought that was Kmix |
04:32.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | no |
04:33.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | kmix actually recieves the shortcuts for adjusting the volume but the strangest thing is that any channel works without kmilo but once kmilo is installed, only master can be altered with the keyboard |
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04:34.36 | nixternal | CPrgmSwR2: right click kmix/speaker icon in system tray, and select master channel |
04:34.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | I don't want master volume though |
04:35.07 | nixternal | but you can change it that way to what you want |
04:35.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | its my PCM channel that controls my Master volume |
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04:35.25 | nixternal | you can set pcm as master or whatever you like that way. |
04:35.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have it set to PCM as the master channel |
04:35.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | but it still changes master channel and not PCM channel |
04:35.44 | nixternal | hrmm |
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04:36.11 | nixternal | lemme guess, intel-hda sound? |
04:36.21 | CPrgmSwR2 | no |
04:36.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | nvidia onboard sound |
04:36.33 | CPrgmSwR2 | intel8x0 |
04:36.47 | CPrgmSwR2 | thats odd |
04:37.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | why is the driver called intel8x0 when its a nvidia motherboard |
04:37.18 | nixternal | hehe, I was wondering why you pasted a contradiction there :) |
04:37.27 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have that A7N8X delux |
04:37.38 | nixternal | what distro are you using? |
04:37.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | gentoo |
04:37.59 | nixternal | I have that same mobo |
04:38.00 | DaSkreech | Moooo |
04:38.20 | nixternal | err, I should say "had", not have |
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04:38.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | it is a nice motherboard |
04:38.41 | nixternal | ya, I accidentally killed mine |
04:38.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | ouch |
04:38.54 | nixternal | actually smoked it an the XP 2100+ |
04:39.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have the XP 2600+ |
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04:39.51 | CPrgmSwR2 | I guess its a motherboard with intel and nvidia stuff on it |
04:40.27 | nixternal | don't know why it would have intel stuff on it since it is an amd mobo...sounds like the driver is confused somehow |
04:40.44 | nixternal | mine worked w/o any problems and was recognized nvidia |
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04:41.17 | Dr_willis | boot a live cd as a test. and see what it sees? :) |
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04:41.43 | Dr_willis | i thought for sound the intel8x0 was like a 'compatiable' chipset thing.. |
04:41.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | it shows NVidia nForce2 as my motherboard |
04:41.59 | Dr_willis | sort of like how the old 'creative compatiable' sound cards were. |
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04:43.33 | CPrgmSwR2 | hmm...its a driver that supports both nvidia and intel |
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04:43.44 | CPrgmSwR2 | Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller |
04:44.18 | qupada | it's more like an "anyone can make a chip that supports this piss-poor audio standard" driver |
04:45.21 | CPrgmSwR2 | There is no nvidia sound drivers |
04:45.47 | Dr_willis | nvidia is outsourcing their soumnd card chipsets? |
04:46.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | I don't know but according to the kernel's available sound pci drivers, there is none that list just nvidia |
04:46.31 | netuser_ | hi, where can i set shortcut keys to change desktops? |
04:48.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | k -> control panel -> Regional & Accessability |
04:48.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | then keyboard shortcuts |
04:49.08 | netuser_ | CPrgmSwR2: thanks |
04:49.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | btw kde4 is quite a big change |
04:50.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am so excited... its like the difference between windows 98 and windows xp |
04:50.26 | DaSkreech | Or like between Windows and a OS |
04:50.28 | Dr_willis | Not sure if thats good or bad.. :) |
04:50.57 | DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: you are runnign beta 2? or just straight SVN ? |
04:51.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | straight svn |
04:51.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | I don't think beta 2 is out |
04:51.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah beta2 is not out yet |
04:51.32 | DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: yeah I know :-p but it's been tagged you could have just pulled those |
04:51.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | Isn't that still svn |
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04:52.31 | DaSkreech | Yeah but it's not straight SVN |
04:52.44 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh |
04:53.00 | DaSkreech | I don't think that a svn up on a beta2 branch will change as time rolls on |
04:53.10 | DaSkreech | I could be very sadly mistaken of course |
04:53.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | where is the beta2 branch |
04:53.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | All I am familar with is /trunk |
04:53.43 | DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: good man! |
04:53.46 | DaSkreech | :-) |
04:54.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | I found branches |
04:54.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | but only 3.5 is listed |
04:54.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | no 4.0 |
04:55.19 | CPrgmSwR2 | is this it --> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.93/ |
04:55.24 | qupada | yep |
04:55.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay |
04:55.51 | qupada | 3.92 was beta1, so it seems logical at least |
04:56.19 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am just so impressed with the plasma stuff |
04:56.23 | DaSkreech | :-) |
04:56.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | the plasma panel is starting to look really nice |
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04:56.51 | DaSkreech | I'm still holding out for nepomuk |
04:57.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | what is wrong with nepomuk |
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04:57.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | It seemed to be working fine for me |
04:57.38 | rickey | is fedora core6 a good distro |
04:57.44 | DaSkreech | I think it's going to be one of the really impressive things once people start using it |
04:57.51 | CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay |
04:57.51 | DaSkreech | rickey: for? |
04:58.01 | CPrgmSwR2 | rickey: try PCLinuxOS |
04:58.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | that distro is so well polished |
04:58.23 | qupada | rickey: even if it, it's out of date. fedora7 has been out for some time now |
04:58.26 | DaSkreech | course I said the same about KGHNS but no one uses it :( |
04:58.30 | rickey | dose it have pidgin |
04:58.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | rickey: there is also kopete which it has |
04:59.12 | rickey | kopete is no good for yahoo |
04:59.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | what? |
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04:59.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | kopete handles yahoo quite well |
04:59.39 | rickey | cant do live chatrooms |
04:59.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | Oh |
04:59.52 | CPrgmSwR2 | forgot about that |
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05:00.36 | rickey | gain cant ether |
05:00.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | can pigden? |
05:00.36 | rickey | yahoo has changed |
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05:00.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | rickey: then use kubuntu |
05:00.41 | rickey | yes it is subpost to |
05:00.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | its got a huge number of packages like 20,000 |
05:02.13 | rickey | my proublem is that i only have a cdr plaaaayer and most new distro are commmmmmeing out in dvd |
05:02.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | kubuntu has a cd install version |
05:02.46 | DaSkreech | Kubuntu is one CD |
05:02.58 | rickey | i want fedora |
05:03.06 | rickey | ferdora 7 |
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05:03.20 | rickey | only in dvddd |
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05:03.51 | rickey | i got to adjust my keyborad |
05:04.21 | rickey | or get faster fingers |
05:04.32 | DaSkreech | rickey: they probably have a netinstall |
05:04.45 | rickey | i have dail up |
05:04.49 | CPrgmSwR2 | LOL |
05:05.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | rickey: do you have fedora 6? |
05:05.27 | rickey | i just order it tonigth |
05:05.42 | rickey | <PROTECTED> |
05:05.53 | rickey | suse 10.1\ |
05:05.58 | rickey | <PROTECTED> |
05:06.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/documentation/creating-a-cd-set-from-a-dvd |
05:06.51 | rickey | it,s got me all messed up because of the package manger |
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05:07.33 | rickey | thanks ill check that out |
05:08.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its a far stretched idea |
05:08.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | the other thing you could do is spend $40 at your local walmart and buy a dvd-burner and put it in your computer |
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05:08.50 | rickey | how much dose a dvd player for a computer ,run these days |
05:09.03 | CPrgmSwR2 | really cheap |
05:09.33 | rickey | under a 4100.00 |
05:09.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106055 <-- here is one for #31 |
05:09.54 | rickey | $100.00 |
05:10.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh yeah did you see the link with $31.99 |
05:10.20 | rickey | OK |
05:10.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | and I live liteon |
05:10.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | they make such good drives |
05:10.45 | rickey | do you think i should change over |
05:11.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | well can you download a DVD that size?> |
05:11.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | with dialup? |
05:11.45 | rickey | my gaaaateway which is 4 year,s old now ,came with a cd-r |
05:12.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | would you buy the dvd's from online for fedora 7? |
05:12.33 | rickey | ooooooooooo yea |
05:13.31 | rickey | you can get scewed from a store just as well as you can off a linux site |
05:14.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
05:14.17 | rickey | and online they are a hell of alot cheaper |
05:14.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | newegg can be trusted |
05:14.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | its very popular |
05:14.59 | CPrgmSwR2 | ask around irc or on the net.... just about everyone knows about newegg |
05:15.02 | rickey | i just got the fedora core6 , for $7.50 |
05:15.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | as a DVD? |
05:15.35 | rickey | and it,s got 5 cd,s |
05:15.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay |
05:15.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | why not install fedora core 6 and upgrade |
05:16.04 | rickey | if i can ,i will |
05:16.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | you can |
05:17.00 | rickey | you know i realy liked suse untill i started online up grads |
05:17.26 | rickey | and then i fall out of love |
05:17.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | I personal love gentoo |
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05:17.59 | rickey | wen my package manger started to say daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
05:18.35 | CPrgmSwR2 | what is wrong with kubuntu again? |
05:19.09 | CPrgmSwR2 | that distro I know for a fact you can upgrade once its installed |
05:19.10 | rickey | nothing i know havent ever had it |
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05:19.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | you should give kubuntu a try its very polished and based on the top distro ubuntu at distrowatch.com |
05:20.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | also check out #kubuntu |
05:20.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | usually 900 people in their |
05:20.26 | rickey | let me get fedora going good and illtry it out |
05:20.41 | DaSkreech | Ha ha :-) |
05:21.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | rickey: my advice |
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05:22.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | Another thing is that a lot of kde developers user kubuntu |
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05:22.55 | rickey | well i do like kde |
05:23.01 | CPrgmSwR2 | kubuntu is for kde |
05:23.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | thats why it has a k infront |
05:23.25 | rickey | na the k is for kool |
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05:23.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | there is ubuntu for gentoo |
05:23.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | and xubuntu for xfce |
05:23.59 | Anonycat | Does Konqueror AdblocK not accept * as a wildcard or something? |
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05:24.33 | CPrgmSwR2 | kubuntu fits on one cd also |
05:24.34 | DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: Wha? |
05:24.40 | DaSkreech | How does that work? |
05:24.51 | CPrgmSwR2 | how does what work? |
05:25.13 | DaSkreech | ubuntu for gentoo |
05:25.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | oops |
05:25.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | I screwed that up I ment ubuntu for gnome |
05:26.12 | rickey | i dont care to much for GNOME |
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05:26.33 | CPrgmSwR2 | same here |
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05:27.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | I just find kubuntu's update system quite neat |
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05:27.34 | DaSkreech | how so? |
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05:28.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | Well the fact you can download a new linux kernel from it and it will configure it for your system |
05:28.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | It seems to take care of alot of things |
05:29.01 | DaSkreech | yeah :) |
05:29.10 | DaSkreech | It's the anti-gentoo :) |
05:29.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah |
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05:29.38 | DaSkreech | Bye rickey! |
05:29.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | I plan to switch to kubuntu once kde4 is released along with konversation |
05:29.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | I think you would be most happy with kubuntu |
05:30.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | change you to rickey |
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05:31.22 | DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: who isn't here :) |
05:31.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah I know |
05:32.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have a feeling that he is trying to make his $7.50 worth while |
05:33.03 | Anonycat | is the new Konversation planning anything big? |
05:33.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its going to be a kde 3.5.7 release |
05:33.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | Now that kde4 isn't going to be released until December, mabye konversation will convert over by its release |
05:34.06 | DaSkreech | heehee |
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05:35.17 | Anonycat | Does Konqueror AdblocK not accept * as a wildcard? |
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05:51.13 | sabayonlive-1213 | bonjour !! ya des français ici? |
05:51.24 | DaSkreech | #kde-fr |
05:51.45 | sabayonlive-1213 | lol |
05:51.52 | sabayonlive-1213 | j'y connais rien!! |
05:52.05 | sabayonlive-1213 | c'est ou svp? |
05:52.43 | DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: Ha ha you are on the planet :) |
05:53.37 | sabayonlive-1213 | it's my first online with sabayon and can't install on my HD SATA !! HARG |
05:53.57 | sabayonlive-1213 | i'm on the CD live actualy |
05:54.04 | sabayonlive-1213 | DVD |
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05:54.46 | sabayonlive-1213 | where can i found the KDE fr please? |
05:55.11 | andresj | #kde-fr ? |
05:55.19 | DaSkreech | sabayonlive-1213: click on the words in blue |
05:55.28 | sabayonlive-1213 | yes ? |
05:55.48 | DaSkreech | sabayonlive-1213: /join #kde-fr |
05:59.27 | sabayonlive-1213 | a ok thank a lots my friend's !bye |
05:59.27 | sabayonlive-1213 | have a good day lol |
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06:28.10 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
06:28.37 | Ace2016 | can someone give me a link to fonts:/Personal which i can cd to |
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06:31.17 | Anonycat | ~/.fonts |
06:31.18 | apt | /.fonts is probably for fontconfig'ed apps, like gimp-2.0 and newest scribus |
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06:45.23 | Ace2016 | Thanks |
06:45.47 | Ace2016 | Does anyone know why fonts:/Personal was created? if you can copy directly to ~/.fonts |
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06:46.38 | DaSkreech | Ace2016: It's easier to remember and it's URLable |
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06:48.34 | Ace2016 | why would it be used in a url? |
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06:50.17 | DaSkreech | You can email it to someone. they click on it and Konqi opens with the fonts they have installed |
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06:52.25 | luislo | Hi all... is there a compiz-fusion channel? I recently installed it, everything was working fine, but just yesterday I think I upedated it... and there's no screensaver (windoes flying) anymore and also everytime I restart the windows swithcer gets reset and all the key bindings got disabled... any ideas? |
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06:53.44 | dan4ster | hello |
06:53.52 | dan4ster | how do I add an address to an existing distribution list? |
06:53.58 | dan4ster | in Kmail |
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07:12.15 | Ace2016 | How do you restart a stalled file transfer??? |
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07:13.31 | DaSkreech | Kick it |
07:15.21 | Ace2016 | kick? |
07:15.49 | Ace2016 | oh ha ha |
07:15.57 | Ace2016 | not funny ;/ |
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07:22.51 | Ace2016 | ITs talking 50% CPU usage just to copy fonts?!?!? |
07:23.33 | Ace2016 | its called fc-cache what is it? kde related? guessing its kde related since its konqueror copying the files |
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07:27.22 | lawrenceagan | . |
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07:32.57 | animesh | hi |
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07:37.44 | philidor | halo |
07:38.04 | philidor | can any one tell me is sabayon linux have a built in beryl in it |
07:39.08 | Jucato | philidor: try asking in #sabayon |
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07:44.49 | Jucato | didn't we always want distros to ship vanilla kde? :P |
07:46.15 | bram85 | oh sure, am not complaining about that :) |
07:48.02 | Jucato | hehe |
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08:00.14 | Ace2016 | if every distro ship vanilla kde it'd be boring, and the fun additions made by distros like kubuntu to kde like kdesu without a password would not exist |
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08:00.52 | Jucato | hm... that would kdesudo. and not really "without a password" |
08:01.02 | Jucato | it just remembers the password for a given time, just like sudo. |
08:01.19 | thiago_home | Ace2016: they could just contribute their improvements back upstream |
08:01.26 | thiago_home | and everyone would benefit from them |
08:01.35 | Ace2016 | not if you modify the sudoers file to use sudo without a password, then kdesu works just like sudo, it didn't use to do that |
08:01.49 | Ace2016 | thiago_home: they do don't they? |
08:01.55 | Jucato | Ace2016: not always |
08:01.56 | thiago_home | no, not all |
08:02.22 | Jucato | depends on which "upstream" is... in kdesudo's case, I think Tonio_ found it from kde-apps.org |
08:02.40 | thiago_home | in that case I mean kde.org |
08:02.53 | thiago_home | "hey, cool new app, should we add it to the base distribution?" |
08:02.59 | Jucato | Ace2016: kdesu is KDE su, it's really specifically a frontend for su. kdesudo is a specific frontend for sudo |
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08:03.16 | Ace2016 | but kdesu is easier to type |
08:03.22 | Jucato | ??? |
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08:03.29 | Ace2016 | why not ksudo? |
08:03.42 | Jucato | Ace2016: on Kubuntu kdesu is symlinked to kdesudo |
08:03.49 | Jucato | on Gusty I mean |
08:03.53 | Ace2016 | makes sense |
08:04.04 | kirun | why not ksudoku :P |
08:04.39 | Jucato | thiago_home: I'll have to ask Tonio_ about that, btw. I'll try to convince him to push kdesudo upstream (KDE). |
08:05.12 | Jucato | although, wasn't aseigo sort of thinking of a different system for these? Administrative mode and all? |
08:05.25 | Ace2016 | kirun: i was going to say the same thing |
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08:07.02 | Jucato | thiago_home: although theoreticall, where would kdesudo fit in the kde modules? kdesu is in kdebase right? |
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08:14.11 | Ace2016 | Anyone know a way to make kde apps looking in ~/.fonts for fonts, and to just use the rest of the system? |
08:14.41 | Ace2016 | the fonts in there are slowing down my system, a LOT |
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08:16.00 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
08:16.08 | Ace2016 | so i kind of need kde to stop looking in there |
08:17.10 | Ace2016 | oh cool i think the fc-cache -vf sorted the speed problems |
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08:54.05 | Daniel-S-P | Good morning. i once found a new fontinstaller/manager on kde-apps, but theres no download available. it allowed eg grouping, switching on/off groups etc. Does anyone know, what happened to it? or any hint on Fontmanagement on kde? |
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08:54.25 | Daniel-S-P | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Font+Installer?content=39052 |
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09:05.16 | Daniel-S-P | moin _czessi |
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09:08.21 | eif_zon | How do I set a new KDE 3.5 theme in arch linux (kde)? |
09:08.59 | Jucato | eif_zon: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html |
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09:15.39 | alanhaggai | Hi, apostrophes in the konsole are being shown as `â' for eg.: Linux Programmerâs Manual. How do I get them right? |
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09:19.10 | Anonycat | If I want to view Gmail in standard mode with Konqueror, are there any URLs other than mail.google.com for which I have to set a useragent spoof? |
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09:22.00 | thiago_home | alanhaggai: what? Are you typing or are you reading a file? |
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09:23.22 | thiago_home | hey Jucato |
09:23.36 | alanhaggai | thiago, Just reading a file. |
09:23.53 | thiago_home | ok |
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09:24.01 | thiago_home | are you sure it's a lowercase â? |
09:24.09 | thiago_home | can it not be an uppercase one? |
09:25.00 | thiago_home | never mind that question, you're right |
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09:25.13 | eif_zon | I get, Error - KDesktop, Access denied to /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files/thefile.tar.gz |
09:25.15 | thiago_home | what's your locale? (type: echo $LANG) |
09:25.20 | eif_zon | when i try to delete anything from the desktop |
09:25.25 | alanhaggai | thiago, lower case |
09:26.06 | alanhaggai | thiago, en_IN |
09:26.19 | thiago_home | just that? Not en_IN.UTF-8? |
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09:27.07 | alanhaggai | thiago, just that. But in /etc/locale.gen it is written en_IN UTF-8 |
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09:27.34 | thiago_home | well, I have no idea what that file is |
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09:27.42 | thiago_home | where did you get your file from? |
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09:27.51 | alanhaggai | thiago, /etc/locale.gen |
09:27.54 | thiago_home | the one with the apostrophes |
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09:28.56 | thiago_home | where did it come from? |
09:30.50 | alanhaggai | thiago, when I opened a man page. |
09:31.08 | thiago_home | hmm |
09:31.17 | thiago_home | type "locale". Do you see any UTF-8 in there? |
09:31.43 | alanhaggai | Nowhere. Only en_IN. |
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09:32.57 | thiago_home | ok, my conclusions: |
09:33.03 | thiago_home | 1) first and foremost: not Konsole's fault |
09:33.22 | thiago_home | 2) your locale isn't UTF-8, yet man is outputting UTF-8 characters |
09:33.45 | thiago_home | join your distribution's channel to find out how to make man behave. |
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09:34.14 | alanhaggai | thiago, ok. Thank you for the info and for your time. :) |
09:34.40 | eif_zon | hmm, i cant save things to my "Desktop" or delete things from there. |
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09:35.34 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, permission for desktop got changed? |
09:35.39 | eif_zon | alanhaggai: how? |
09:36.01 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, Just asked. Did it get changed? |
09:36.25 | eif_zon | alanhaggai: when I did what? |
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09:36.42 | thiago_home | doesn't matter |
09:36.45 | thiago_home | are they changed? |
09:36.47 | wesbluemarine | when we will see kde4 beta2? |
09:36.52 | eif_zon | how can i see it thiago_home ?? |
09:37.06 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, with a bad chmod/chown |
09:37.08 | thiago_home | ls -l |
09:37.15 | alanhaggai | Yes. |
09:37.26 | eif_zon | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 2 09:06 Desktop |
09:37.28 | thiago_home | check if you have permission on the directory |
09:37.35 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, That says it. |
09:37.41 | eif_zon | what to do? :) |
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09:37.56 | thiago_home | restore the permissions on all files and directories that have bad permissions |
09:38.12 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, sudo chown -R your_username ~/Desktop/* |
09:38.24 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, also: sudo chown -R your_username ~/Desktop |
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09:38.49 | eif_zon | chown: cannot access `/root/Desktop/*': No such file or directory |
09:39.01 | alanhaggai | wesbluemarine, did you try the other beta? |
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09:39.07 | wesbluemarine | yes |
09:39.07 | eif_zon | alanhaggai: same with the other one |
09:39.25 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, also: sudo chown -R your_username /your_username/Desktop |
09:39.39 | eif_zon | ahh, /home/user/Desktop |
09:39.40 | alanhaggai | wesbluemarine, how is it? |
09:39.55 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, Oh yes :) |
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09:40.26 | eif_zon | now it says: drwxr-xr-x 2 ajs root 4096 Sep 2 09:06 Desktop |
09:40.32 | eif_zon | why still root? |
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09:40.33 | wesbluemarine | it's a beta only in the name |
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09:40.41 | wesbluemarine | it's like an alpha |
09:40.46 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, the group root I think. |
09:40.46 | Anonycat | root is the group there |
09:40.53 | eif_zon | shall i change it? |
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09:41.29 | Anonycat | if you want that gone (not necessary), use chgrp, or chown -R ajs:ajs /directory |
09:41.36 | eif_zon | ookkk |
09:42.08 | alanhaggai | wesbluemarine, are there much differences? |
09:42.18 | alanhaggai | wesbluemarine, features I mean. |
09:42.21 | eif_zon | chown: `ajs:ajs': invalid group |
09:42.25 | wesbluemarine | from what? |
09:42.36 | alanhaggai | wesbluemarine, the current stable version. |
09:42.45 | Anonycat | what groups is ajs a member of? |
09:42.53 | eif_zon | dunno |
09:42.56 | eif_zon | it worked without changes |
09:42.59 | eif_zon | its enough ;) |
09:42.59 | Anonycat | normally they're always in a group with the same name |
09:43.09 | alanhaggai | Yes. |
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09:43.14 | wesbluemarine | the beta 2 there insn't for the moment |
09:43.25 | wesbluemarine | beta was unusable |
09:43.31 | eif_zon | alanhaggai: i changes to ajs:users |
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09:43.49 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, I see. If that works, then it is ok. |
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09:43.57 | alanhaggai | wesbluemarine, oh I see. |
09:43.59 | eif_zon | It works |
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09:45.31 | alanhaggai | eif_zon, Good :) |
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09:53.03 | oyvind | Hello, are there an option for piguin, amsn and kopete that works good? |
09:53.30 | Anonycat | ...what? |
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09:53.49 | Anonycat | what does it mean to "work good", and how to those programs not fulfill it? |
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09:55.49 | oyvind | no major bugs, rather easy to use, be abel to conect to both aim, icq and msn. I am realy just looking for another chatprogram just to see whats out there, so if anyone could recomend one..? |
09:57.40 | oyvind | or am i asking in the wrong channel? |
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09:58.27 | Jucato | oyvind: you can connect to aim, icq, msn, yahoo, jabber, google, etc. using Kopete |
09:58.38 | Jucato | you can also try asking in #kopete if you want |
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10:09.00 | chx | is there a character map application? kcharmap seems outdated |
10:09.10 | Jucato | kcharselect ? |
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10:10.53 | chx | bingo. sorry, i was unable to google it out. |
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10:11.35 | Jucato | :) |
10:11.36 | nec | soory, i have a question ... how can i remove some applications from autostart ? |
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10:11.56 | chx | on a totally another , off topic note, is there a list of ranges which make up Unicode Letters? |
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10:14.00 | Jucato | nec: by default, KDE remembers the apps you have left running when you logout and restores them when you login. You don' t need to have a list of apps to autostart. just close the apps you don't want to autostart before you logout |
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10:17.48 | nec | Jucato - ouu :) thanks :) i forgot about this :) |
10:18.18 | astan | hm. can i still put stuff in ~/.kde/env/* in KDE4? |
10:18.41 | Jucato | depends on how they plan to implement startup in KDE 4 |
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10:19.09 | astan | Jucato: ok. so scripts there will not be sourced as it is now? |
10:19.17 | Jucato | I don't know... |
10:19.52 | astan | i was thinking if there was some place i could prepend the qt-copy bin directory to my $PATH, if i'm going to launch a full KDE4 session from KDM. |
10:20.11 | astan | i'd only like it to be prepended if launching a KDE4 session. |
10:20.28 | Jucato | hm.. aren't there instructions in Techbase for that? |
10:20.29 | nec | when final kde4 project will be ? |
10:20.43 | Jucato | it will be *tagged* december 23 |
10:20.43 | astan | there's http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Solitary_KDE_4_session |
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10:21.08 | astan | but it only says that qdbus should be in $PATH if launching the session from KDM. |
10:21.26 | chx | thanks for the help |
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10:21.59 | Halca | I heard once that KDE4 is so pure that if you have used GNOME before you turn to stone |
10:22.00 | Halca | :> |
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10:22.03 | astan | not how to go about it.. i'd not want to put it in my .bashrc, since then qdbus from qt-copy would cloud qdbus from KDE3 when i launch a KDE3 session. |
10:22.24 | Jucato | you're using the same user for both KDE 3 and KDE 4? |
10:22.46 | astan | yea. |
10:22.51 | Jucato | O.o |
10:22.52 | Jucato | hm... |
10:23.06 | Jucato | might want to ask in #kde4-devel then :) |
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10:23.32 | astan | followed dfaures setup instructions.. but i haven't tried a full KDE4 session yet, just launching koffice apps. |
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10:23.35 | astan | okay. |
10:23.55 | Jucato | hm.. I just followed the Techbase instructions...which recommends a different user :) |
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10:25.46 | Jucato | er astan... I said #kde4-devel |
10:25.48 | Jucato | (notice the '4' in there? :P) |
10:25.56 | astan | oops. |
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10:26.55 | astan | Jucato: Techbase instructions recommends different things based on where in Techbase you read ;) |
10:27.09 | Jucato | the main guide on building kde 4 |
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10:28.00 | astan | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Create_a_user_account_for_KDE4_development <-- see the Note. |
10:28.08 | astan | "However it is much more efficient to do everything with a single user account, see Increased Productivity in KDE4 with Scripts for more details." |
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10:28.20 | astan | is what i'm using and it works fine, just need to sort this one out ;) |
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10:52.47 | Hestv4 | I just installed kde 3.5, and I can't find where to change screen resolution... |
10:53.35 | oGALAXYo | yeah screen resolution change is a story of its own.. |
10:53.41 | oGALAXYo | there is a tool for kde that does this... |
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10:54.23 | oGALAXYo | but setting up screen resolution is better done with the XOrg configuration tools or the config file itself /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
10:54.34 | Hestv4 | oGALAXYo: there was no problem in gnome, but otherwise gnome feels a little toothless... well, I can edit xorg.conf, but that's not the way I want to have to do |
10:55.08 | oGALAXYo | right kde has a similar tool like gnome.. |
10:55.24 | oGALAXYo | but then even the gnome tool relies on a properly set up xorg.conf file if i am not mistaken. |
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10:56.40 | oGALAXYo | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faqs/uploaded_images/kde-control-center-739514.png |
10:56.45 | Jucato | GNOME doesn't include a utility to modify xorg.conf. It's up to the distros to provide that. |
10:56.48 | Jucato | so does KDE |
10:56.54 | oGALAXYo | right |
10:57.19 | oGALAXYo | http://www.cscheng.info/wp-content/ubuntu-install2.png |
10:57.22 | oGALAXYo | but it has that tool |
10:57.25 | Jucato | both of them only provide changing resolutions, etc. stuff that doesn't modify xorg. |
10:57.29 | Hestv4 | I'm missing exactly that one in my peripherals.. :) |
10:57.31 | oGALAXYo | that again depends on correct xorg.conf |
10:57.42 | oGALAXYo | Hestv4: what distribution ? |
10:57.50 | Hestv4 | oGALAXYo: ubuntu... |
10:57.52 | Hestv4 | feist |
10:57.57 | oGALAXYo | hmmm... |
10:58.02 | oGALAXYo | maybe a missing package ? |
10:58.03 | Jucato | Hestv4: check if you have "kde-guidance"installed |
10:58.17 | Jucato | also, are you using KControl (KDE default) or System Settings (Kubuntu's default) |
10:59.12 | Hestv4 | thanks! that guideance seems to be what I want |
10:59.48 | Jucato | oGALAXYo: that one you showed for Ubuntu, that's the equivalent of the default KDE Display module. doesn't change xorg.conf. just the resolution/refresh rate |
11:00.04 | Jucato | stuff normal users could do |
11:00.11 | Jucato | normal accounts I mean |
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11:01.03 | oGALAXYo | Jucato: thats what i said. |
11:01.06 | Hestv4 | Jucato: exactly what I wanted! |
11:01.30 | Hestv4 | it just feels a little strange that it doesn't show up under "configure desktop"... |
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11:01.46 | Jucato | ah they removed that long ago (in Kubuntu) |
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11:02.32 | Hestv4 | oh well.. now I can play with kde for a couple of days before I decide if it is love or hate.. ;) |
11:02.34 | Jucato | to be fair, GNOME doesn't have that when you right-click on the desktop too :) |
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11:02.53 | Hestv4 | Jucato: as I said, gnome feels too toothless... |
11:03.52 | Jucato | let not Kubuntu be your one and only source of KDE experience. because it is quite different from a defalt (vanilla) KDE setup... |
11:04.06 | Hestv4 | Jucato: ubuntu, not kubuntu... |
11:04.21 | Hestv4 | just to make things worse :) |
11:04.39 | Jucato | er... if you installed KDE on Ubuntu, that would be Kubuntu practically |
11:04.51 | Hestv4 | practically, yes... |
11:04.53 | Jucato | although you would need to install "kubuntu-desktop" for the full Kubuntu experience |
11:04.56 | Jucato | anywayg, gtg |
11:06.07 | Hestv4 | ok, 258 other megs.... |
11:06.38 | Hestv4 | I've just started using linux after 10 years with netbsd... |
11:06.58 | Hestv4 | some things I love, other things I hate.. both ways |
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11:10.17 | oGALAXYo | aktually a full installed KDE desktop with office etc.. is around 100 mb smaller in size than doing the same with gnome.. but then this all depends on dependencies etc.. |
11:10.23 | Anonycat | Is there any way to change the font/size specifically for Konqueror's bookmarks toolbar (because I don't want monospace 14)? |
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11:33.52 | pip | Hello |
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11:41.10 | Halca | Hi pip |
11:41.25 | pip | Hello how to deal with this problem : http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kpdfjo1.png |
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11:41.34 | pip | the view problem |
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11:41.45 | pip | Halca, Hi : ) |
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11:44.26 | Halca | Okay, just one moment |
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11:45.27 | Halca | What exactly is the problem? |
11:45.36 | Halca | The images aren't matching up? |
11:47.38 | pip | Halca, As you see ,in the left of the image ,the list of items are white and black ,that's the problem |
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11:56.28 | Halca | Are you sure it's not a theming issue |
11:57.17 | Jucato | pip: in KControl -> Appearance and Themes -> Colors, from the dropdown list at the rightmost part of the window, select "Alternate Background in List" |
11:57.36 | pip | let me try ... |
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12:05.19 | pip | Jucato, thank you ! |
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12:17.36 | velle | Hi. I have playing around with dcop, and written a script that starts up a number of Konsoles, like I want them. But how can I execute something in the just opened Konsole? I need to start "tail -f log.txt" in some of them. |
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12:19.10 | PhilRod | velle: konsole -e 'somecommand' |
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12:19.41 | PhilRod | hrm, ISTR there's a problem with doing that. Let me grep my logs |
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12:21.10 | PhilRod | ah, you don't need to quote the command. ie: |
12:21.17 | PhilRod | konsole -e tail -f foo.log |
12:21.25 | Jucato | problem... |
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12:21.32 | Jucato | it closes the konsole window once it's done |
12:21.48 | PhilRod | konsole -e bash tail -f foo.log |
12:21.51 | Jucato | how would make it not close it? (always been wondering about that...) |
12:21.54 | PhilRod | ...might work |
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12:23.22 | eifzon | how do i change the kdm theme? |
12:23.40 | velle | I think I can do it that way, but I was more hoping for a way to execute in an existing konsole. |
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12:24.14 | Jucato | eifzon: hard way would be to manually edit config files. easy way would be to install an app called "kdmtheme" that gives you a kcontrol module for that |
12:24.24 | eifzon | ok Jucato |
12:24.26 | mohamed_ | hello all, is there a method to make kmail imaap filter faster ? |
12:24.42 | Sho_ | velle: Yakuake has DCOP commands to run commands in existing sessions, if that helps you in any way ... |
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12:25.17 | velle | Sho_: I think that is what I need. I will have a look at Yakuake. Thanks :) |
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12:25.27 | PhilRod | velle: there's a konsole option to open with extra dcop commands (see konsole --help). Might offer what you need |
12:25.38 | PhilRod | don't forget to use dcopstart if you're not already |
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12:28.51 | Jucato | PhilRod: 4.0 release pushed back. now you have more time for the docs. yay! :) |
12:29.24 | PhilRod | yeah, and nixternal has created some buzz - we've got a bunch of new subscribers on k-d-e |
12:29.31 | PhilRod | gotta find things for them to do though... |
12:29.32 | Jucato | hahah nice! :) |
12:29.52 | Jucato | oh have you seen nixternal's work on the Kubuntu System Docs? |
12:30.07 | velle | PhilRod: Might be a better solution. Thanks. |
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12:31.28 | Jucato | PhilRod: http://jucato.org/stuff/gutsy_help.png |
12:32.44 | PhilRod | ooh, that's nice |
12:32.55 | PhilRod | I wonder if we could pull that into kde |
12:33.03 | Jucato | I think he hopes to do that |
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12:33.43 | Jucato | I think that's part of the topic-based help that *buntu is pushing through. I'm cheering nixternal on :) |
12:33.51 | Jucato | <-- can only be a cheerleader at this point :P |
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12:34.10 | Jucato | although right now our biggest problem on Kubuntu is a broken htdig... |
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12:37.50 | illogic-al | Jucato: is that a bleach pic in your image module? |
12:38.05 | illogic-al | labeled harlem_yamato.jpg. |
12:38.15 | Jucato | ah dunno actually... :/ |
12:38.22 | illogic-al | heh |
12:38.32 | Jucato | but no, I don't think I've seen that character in bleach |
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12:38.47 | Sho_ | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article733264.ece is whacky |
12:39.02 | Jucato | hi Sho_! :) |
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12:41.03 | PhilRod | Jucato: re htdig, I really want to get that torn out and replaced with something strigi-based |
12:42.09 | Jucato | PhilRod: ooh that would be nice. I think the only (Linux) distro that has managed to work around that htdig madness is SUSE. (Not sure about Gentoo of course) |
12:43.10 | illogic-al | hey philrod, what's up? |
12:43.42 | PhilRod | heya illogic-al. I'm good. How're you? |
12:44.21 | PhilRod | Jucato: yes, you're right (afaik) - that's why I want it replaced with something that, like, you know, works |
12:44.24 | illogic-al | PhilRod: Pretty good actually. Going to a wedding today. :-) |
12:44.35 | nixternal | Jucato: htdig is broken everywhere I have looked :) |
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12:44.44 | Jucato | yay nixternal's alive!!! |
12:44.55 | nixternal | unfortunately yes :) |
12:45.09 | nixternal | howdy PhilRod |
12:45.12 | Jucato | hahah! did you see my little advertisement of your work? hehehe |
12:45.27 | nixternal | I sure did, but how come it looks horrible in that screenshot? |
12:45.33 | Jucato | dunno hahaha |
12:45.43 | Jucato | didn't change anything here except font sizes |
12:45.52 | nixternal | ya, it looks beautiful in mine |
12:45.55 | Jucato | :P |
12:45.56 | nixternal | the underlines and such |
12:45.56 | PhilRod | nixternal: are you viewing it in kuickshow? |
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12:46.05 | nixternal | gwenview |
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12:46.32 | PhilRod | off to try my wireless card. Hopefully be back in a few minutes, but longer if it causes a kernel panic (again) |
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12:46.57 | illogic-al | auooch |
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13:02.31 | andersin | is there a way to hide the joined/left channel messages in konversation? |
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13:03.04 | ^andy^ | hey |
13:04.09 | Sho_ | andersin: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> Chat Window -> Hide Join/Part/Nick events |
13:04.19 | Sho_ | andersin: And there's also a #konversation, FWIW |
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13:09.10 | ^andy^ | somone alive here? |
13:09.23 | andersin | Thanks. Didn't know about #konversation. |
13:10.07 | pinotree | ^andy^: if you have no questions, no |
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13:15.12 | ^andy^ | someone know how install the picasaweb upload plugin for digikam? i've read about a beta in july, then nothing |
13:16.37 | emilsedgh | ^andy^: i think thats a KIPI plugin, I havent digikam but thats available in 'Plugins' menu of Gwenview, does digikam have same menu? |
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13:18.45 | ^andy^ | yep it's a kipi plugin, i've look in the project site.. no updates but i've found the plugin in the kde svn |
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13:19.18 | Jucato | might want so ask people in #digikam |
13:20.48 | ^andy^ | i will try but i found always dead channels... i hope to be more lucky :) |
13:21.01 | ^andy^ | i've already tried in kipi channel |
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13:31.40 | Sulo_Seppa | Any estimates on when kde4 will be out? |
13:31.56 | Jucato | 4.0 will be tagged on December 20 |
13:32.14 | illogic-al | maybe |
13:32.40 | Jucato | at this point, we can only say that it's on the schedule :) |
13:32.40 | Sulo_Seppa | Sorry, I just cannot wait, it is looking very nice so far |
13:33.05 | illogic-al | the current sheduled release in in laate december but this is subject to change if the developers deem it necessary. |
13:33.27 | illogic-al | chances are it will be out in time for christmas however :-) |
13:33.29 | Sulo_Seppa | I hope it comes out on my birthday. That would be the best birthday present |
13:34.05 | Jucato | not this again heheh :) |
13:34.06 | illogic-al | there were too many things left to do and rushing would have been a bad idea. |
13:34.30 | Jucato | I'm just glad they announced it, and this early... :) |
13:34.38 | illogic-al | right stoned ? |
13:34.41 | Sulo_Seppa | Hmm, well I use Qt a lot, would I be of help? |
13:34.52 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: sure. |
13:34.57 | Jucato | any help would be of help :) |
13:35.11 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: you just need to find an application you like and start contributing. |
13:35.26 | Sulo_Seppa | What applications need work? |
13:35.32 | Sulo_Seppa | Is it just Qt4 porting? |
13:35.40 | illogic-al | or do documentation, or bug triaging, or promo work, or art... etc |
13:36.06 | Jucato | depends.. some apps need porting, some already ported, etc |
13:36.14 | Jucato | some need more love than others... |
13:36.16 | Sulo_Seppa | Where can I find this information? |
13:36.25 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: no, not just qt4 porting. but there's probably some of that work left over. |
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13:36.46 | Jucato | #kde-devel (KDE 3 development) or #kde4-devel (KDE 4 Development) and http://techbase.kde.org |
13:36.48 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: the mailing lists would be a good place to start. kde-quality per'aps |
13:37.12 | Sulo_Seppa | okay thank you |
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13:37.36 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: I can pretty much tell you what they'll tell you however. Choose something you want to work on, and get started. |
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13:38.05 | illogic-al | We don't assign things to be done so self-motivated is requisite in kde development. |
13:38.06 | root_ | hi |
13:38.09 | stoned | illogic-al: yo |
13:38.35 | stoned | illogic-al: I'm supposed to be at work in 20 minutes |
13:38.37 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: but mentors are also available if you feel things might be too daunting. just ask :-) |
13:38.54 | illogic-al | stoned: well i guess i'll let you go then. |
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13:39.04 | stoned | you didn't go to church today? |
13:39.05 | illogic-al | talk to you once you get there stoned |
13:39.08 | milian | hello |
13:39.10 | Sulo_Seppa | Do I need to install KDE4? |
13:39.14 | stoned | nah |
13:39.19 | stoned | im getting stoned before I go |
13:39.19 | milian | is there a way to export & import kdewallets? |
13:39.21 | stoned | i'll be late |
13:39.22 | stoned | lol |
13:39.32 | illogic-al | stoned: it's 9:30. church is at 10. |
13:39.42 | stoned | 9:40 |
13:39.53 | illogic-al | but no, not going to church till later today, in the afternoon. wedding. |
13:39.59 | stoned | yeh |
13:40.02 | stoned | my boy's back in town |
13:40.09 | stoned | I woulda went but i didn't know till late last night |
13:40.18 | stoned | maybe next weekend we can go to the city and have some fun |
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13:40.57 | stoned | I forgot to email Emil |
13:40.58 | stoned | lol |
13:41.01 | stoned | shit |
13:41.04 | illogic-al | as long as 'fun' doesn't include getting high and then going for a jovial drive in the city, sure. |
13:41.09 | illogic-al | hahah! |
13:41.17 | stoned | thats ok |
13:41.19 | illogic-al | stoned: he's gonna eat you ALIVE |
13:41.21 | stoned | he doesn't wake up till 11 |
13:41.24 | stoned | on sundays |
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13:41.54 | stoned | illogic-al: I get high, my boy kinda gets high, he likes to drink more though |
13:41.55 | illogic-al | 95 left... |
13:42.00 | stoned | I like to stone more |
13:42.12 | stoned | shit |
13:42.17 | stoned | I can't remember where I parked |
13:42.19 | stoned | fuck |
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13:42.25 | stoned | now I'm gonna be late for sure |
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13:42.50 | illogic-al | you're gonna be even later if you stay here talking to me all morning :-) |
13:42.59 | stoned | well im stoning |
13:43.05 | stoned | im only 10 minutes away |
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13:43.51 | stoned | oh my stomach hurts |
13:43.53 | stoned | fuck |
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13:45.14 | illogic-al | PhilRod: wert thow involved in the great wireless driver scavenger hunt? |
13:45.36 | stoned | hey its better now |
13:45.39 | illogic-al | stoned: why don't you just go see a doctor? |
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13:45.47 | stoned | illogic-al: not curable |
13:46.02 | stoned | after 8 gallons of barium sulphate, cat scans, mris, and god knows what else |
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13:46.23 | stoned | everything short of sticking a tube up my ass for whatever reason they need to |
13:46.27 | stoned | forgot what its called |
13:46.37 | illogic-al | sexual assualt? |
13:46.37 | stoned | i was in the hospital for 3 weeks |
13:46.41 | stoned | illogic-al: lol |
13:46.48 | illogic-al | :-) |
13:47.19 | PhilRod | illogic-al: yes, made worse by the fact that loading up the wireless driver for my card causes a kernel panic |
13:47.30 | PhilRod | freebsd hardward support can be a PITA |
13:47.38 | illogic-al | PhilRod: which card. one of those atheros ones? |
13:47.39 | PhilRod | s/hardward/hardware/ |
13:47.46 | PhilRod | a d-link one |
13:48.03 | PhilRod | atheros ones are among the few that actually have native support |
13:48.06 | illogic-al | PhilRod: it sucks on linux too for wireless. it jus sucks a little bit less thanks to ndiswrappers. |
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13:49.38 | illogic-al | PhilRod: good to know that they're consistent. |
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13:51.09 | PhilRod | illogic-al: I was using the ndis wrapper on freebsd, which is probably what's panicking. Still, it's a royal pain |
13:51.50 | illogic-al | aye. i too have felt your royal pain sir. |
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14:15.03 | nceterval | Hello, I see that KDE 4 beta 2 has been tagged in SVN. Does anyone know when/if KDE 4 Live will make a new release? |
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14:16.40 | boom1992 | nceterval: in a few days i think |
14:16.43 | Jucato | you will have to wait for beineri to make those. it's being done by a KDE developer |
14:16.56 | Jucato | (it's not an official KDE thing though, afaik) |
14:17.00 | boom1992 | when the beta2 is official announced, then therre will be the live.cd too |
14:17.53 | nceterval | Hmm, ok. Is there any easy way to get in contact with the KDE 4 Live developer (beineri?) |
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14:18.34 | Jucato | I think there's some info on his page (where you can get the CD). but I doubt asking him when he'll release it will make him work on it faster. :P |
14:18.38 | Jucato | patience is a virtue |
14:18.58 | nceterval | Indeed |
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14:19.14 | nceterval | I don't see any contact info on the K4L page, though. |
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14:19.54 | Sulo_Seppa | Patience? I cut myself everyday that I am without KDE4 |
14:20.53 | illogic-al | Sulo_Seppa: you'll want to start cutting smaller then. |
14:20.57 | illogic-al | or not aat all. |
14:22.39 | nceterval | Alright, well, thanks for the info. Good luck with all of your respective waiting techniques. |
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14:56.11 | avarus | HI |
14:56.14 | avarus | sorry :) |
14:57.07 | PhilRod | hi avarus |
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14:58.07 | avarus | I wanted to install kde4beta1 and installed any needed lib and just right now I finished compiling "strigi" which worked fine but the install location is wrong so kdelibs can't find strigi...so my generic question is: how can I set a prefix like in automakes configure script? :) |
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14:58.18 | avarus | hi PhilRod |
14:58.43 | Jucato | are you using packages from your distribution? |
14:58.50 | avarus | no, I am using slackware 12 |
14:59.18 | avarus | I wanted this kde4beta1 to be run in a virtual environment to test things out |
14:59.30 | PhilRod | cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/bla I think |
14:59.33 | avarus | so for me everything goes into /usr |
14:59.33 | Jucato | following the techbase.kde.org instructions? |
14:59.40 | Jucato | ah |
14:59.42 | avarus | Jucato, for sure |
14:59.48 | avarus | PhilRod, thx :) |
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15:04.31 | mymws_ | hello |
15:04.33 | Sulo_Seppa | Hey |
15:04.38 | mymws_ | Is there a Chan for kde4 ? |
15:04.43 | PhilRod | #kde4-devel |
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15:04.50 | mymws_ | thank you. |
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15:04.51 | Jucato | for KDE 4 *development* of course :) |
15:05.25 | avarus | pff, I now see the _real_ error. kdelibs expects strigi 0.5.3, but I downloaded 0.5.1 from sf.net |
15:05.31 | avarus | which is actually the latest there :> |
15:06.21 | eifzon | Why do i get this if i write locale charmap? locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory, locale: Cannot set LC_Messages to default locale: No such file or directory, locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory. (I am using Arch Linux-kde) |
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15:06.27 | KotBehemot | hello |
15:06.34 | avarus | hi KotBehemot |
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15:06.43 | KotBehemot | how can i change my kde to have just 1 multiple desktop? |
15:06.44 | PhilRod | avarus: you'll need the svn version of strigi from the kdesupport package |
15:07.01 | PhilRod | KotBehemot: control center -> desktop -> multiple desktops |
15:07.03 | avarus | PhilRod, yep, Checked out revision 707649 :) |
15:07.21 | KotBehemot | PhilRod: and will it wiork for me with compiz-fusion? |
15:07.26 | KotBehemot | work* |
15:07.42 | PhilRod | no idea, ask in #compiz |
15:08.14 | KotBehemot | heh have to ask tham than |
15:09.04 | Jucato | compiz/beryl is very famous for not working with KDE's stuff :) |
15:09.13 | Jucato | virtual desktop, system tray, most notably |
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15:11.17 | KotBehemot | yeah |
15:12.00 | avarus | :) |
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15:13.17 | hiroaki | hi there, does anyone know which packet i need to install to make volume control with hotkeys work? when i install the package "kde" it work, but i want to kepp my system slim |
15:13.43 | Jucato | hiroaki: try asking your distribution about that |
15:13.52 | Jucato | but it would probably be called "kmix" |
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15:14.10 | hiroaki | i did, kmix is installed, but it doesn't work |
15:14.24 | Jucato | what exactly isn't working? |
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15:14.56 | Zemus | I know that gnome is usually considered to be less of a bloatwhore or system resources hog than kde is. But at the same time, KDE seems to be prefered by so many. My question is: Is it possible to configure KDE to take up the same or less resources than gnome? |
15:15.23 | avarus | rofl |
15:15.45 | avarus | what are you running? 400 mhz with 64mb ram? :) |
15:16.09 | Sulo_Seppa | KDE taking up more ram than gnome? No freaking way. |
15:16.18 | Jucato | Zemus: you can configure KDE to be (almost) anything you want. It mostly depends on how your distro also presents it |
15:16.23 | hiroaki | i can adjust the volume with kmix and even with my scrollwheel the loudspeaker symbol, but i want to adjust volume by using a hotkey from my keyboard. it does work when i install the metapackage "kde" in debian, but i don't want that, because i want to keep my system small |
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15:16.30 | oGALAXYo | Zemus: thats bullshit |
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15:17.04 | oGALAXYo | Zemus: kde asuming its compiled correctly and fully installed (inclusive office) eats less memory and requires less harddisk space... |
15:17.08 | zherlock | My KDE Fonts are to small to read after having changed to 1280x720 screen res. Please advice |
15:17.10 | Jucato | hiroaki: right-click on the kmix icon in the system tray, select Show Mixer Window, then go to Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts |
15:17.11 | nixternal | KDE uses less resources than Gnome |
15:17.29 | oGALAXYo | Zemus: i speak from own experience here having compiled gnome and kde probably a couple of thousand times in the past years. |
15:17.40 | Jucato | For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html |
15:17.43 | Zemus | ... wow |
15:17.54 | Zemus | I totally believe you, sounds like an informed answer. I really appreciate the help. |
15:18.07 | Jucato | Zemus: might want to read that link above |
15:18.11 | Zemus | That's odd, why does KDE have such a reputation for being a "slow bloat whore?" I've heard that all over the internet. |
15:18.12 | hiroaki | hey, that works, |
15:18.16 | Zemus | Jucato, I certainly will, and thank you! |
15:18.29 | nixternal | Jucato: I was just looking for that link |
15:18.35 | Jucato | Zemus: I know there's a GNOME test done which produced a slightly similar result (of course in favor of GNOME) |
15:18.35 | hiroaki | not in the way it worked with the kde metapackage |
15:18.47 | Jucato | nixternal: hehe I borrowed ubotu for a second there |
15:18.52 | hiroaki | when it install the kde-metapackage i hat a fancy windows showing up |
15:18.58 | nixternal | ubotu has that info? |
15:19.03 | hiroaki | i had |
15:19.07 | Jucato | Zemus: but the results did agree that the resource usage differences between the two are negligible |
15:19.20 | hiroaki | but it is o.k. without that fancy windows i think |
15:19.24 | Jucato | hiroaki: you'll have to ask your distro (presumably Debian) about package information |
15:19.26 | oGALAXYo | Zemus: but that all depends on compiler used, system, dependencies, the stuff you install.. i give you this information for a "normal gnome installation with probably all needed things + firefox + abiword + evolution" and a full "kde installation + all needed things + koffice + kdedeveloper + quanta" |
15:19.27 | Jucato | nixternal: yeah. !ram |
15:19.28 | Zemus | Jucato, I see. From what I can tell, KDE is more popular... |
15:19.33 | nixternal | ahh |
15:19.39 | hiroaki | i did ;) they did not know ;) |
15:20.12 | Jucato | Zemus: the recent Desktop Linux survey said GNOME is, thanks to Ubuntu. but it's all statistics and personal views. don't be swayed by popularity as the only reason to use something |
15:20.16 | avarus | Zemus, from what desktoplinux told that's not true :) |
15:20.19 | avarus | ya |
15:20.22 | hiroaki | who cares about polularity? everyone uses what he or she likes o_O |
15:20.29 | avarus | ack :) |
15:20.34 | Jucato | hiroaki: you have to be more specific. fancy windows can mean a lot of things |
15:20.44 | hiroaki | o.k. |
15:21.01 | Zemus | Does beryl work ok with kde? I've never seen it used that way. |
15:21.11 | Jucato | well yes and no... :) |
15:21.14 | hiroaki | beryl works fine |
15:21.17 | Zemus | Also: You can make kde look like gnome easily, right? I mean, ffs, you could make it look like windows, or os x, so... :P |
15:21.19 | Jucato | it works, but not 100% smoothly |
15:21.26 | Jucato | ew... :P |
15:21.28 | Zemus | Jucato, that's a pity. :/ |
15:21.31 | Jucato | please make KDE look like KDE hehe |
15:21.37 | Zemus | Jucato, just checking ;) |
15:21.47 | Jucato | Zemus: not KDE's fault though... compiz and beryl originally started with very GNOME dependencies |
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15:22.02 | Zemus | Jucato, right. I'm sure it'll be fixed in the future, right? |
15:22.15 | Jucato | Zemus: no need to. KDE 4 will have it's own fancy stuff :) |
15:22.19 | Zemus | Jucato, actually, I hear KDE and gnome are joining into one desktop environment...? Is that still true? |
15:22.28 | Jucato | still true? never was true |
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15:22.31 | oGALAXYo | Zemus: no thats not true |
15:22.33 | Zemus | Jucato, ok. :| |
15:22.42 | oGALAXYo | Zemus: the architecture behind it are far far too different. |
15:22.42 | Zemus | oGALAXYo, no idea where I got that one then, haha... :P |
15:22.43 | nixternal | oh heck no |
15:22.46 | Zemus | hahaha |
15:22.52 | hiroaki | well, when i used the hotkeys with the kde metapackage it had a grey rectangle in the middle of my screen, with a bar into it, displaying the volume. that was pretty nice |
15:22.56 | Zemus | Thanks for the help, though :) |
15:23.02 | Sulo_Seppa | Qt is almost exactly the same as GTK ZOMG!!1! |
15:23.03 | nixternal | 1 desktop environment would be like 1 operating system...very bad |
15:23.06 | Jucato | hiroaki: that's KMilo |
15:23.07 | oGALAXYo | they too starts sharing a few things but thats just a pit of the whole mountain. |
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15:23.49 | Jucato | Zemus: there's an effort to cooperate on some things that will make it easier for apps from either GNOME or KDE or some other place to work on other environments |
15:23.58 | hiroaki | Jucato thanks, i'll give it a try, do i need to restart kde to try it? |
15:23.59 | Jucato | it's called FreeDesktop.org |
15:24.12 | Jucato | hiroaki: no. I'm not exactly sure how it works heheh |
15:24.47 | Jucato | hiroaki: you're using debian right? there's a #debian-kde channel I think. on OFTC server |
15:24.51 | Jucato | not absolutely sure |
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15:25.45 | hiroaki | i will try it to, for now i will restart kde |
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15:27.22 | thechef | I need KMail to start on login, minimized. What's the correct way to do it? Use Kontact, or just kstart? With kstart I have the problem that I have to click twice on the tray icon the first time until it opens the kmail window |
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15:29.36 | hiroaki | jucato, it was kmilo, thank your very juch :) |
15:29.38 | hiroaki | much |
15:29.43 | Jucato | :) |
15:30.00 | hiroaki | you are great, thank your for your patience :) |
15:30.21 | Jucato | thanks for the compliment :) |
15:30.28 | hiroaki | :) |
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15:34.04 | LinuxLlama | Hi, when I try to compile the latest KDE 4 svn, I get this error after making http://rafb.net/p/rQYPS178.html can someone tell me what it means? |
15:34.14 | LinuxLlama | I'm using Pclinuxos 2007 |
15:34.41 | avarus | lilalinux, you need qt4.3.x |
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15:34.51 | LinuxLlama | i use qt-copy thats in svn |
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15:35.13 | LinuxLlama | oh... similar names :P |
15:35.20 | LinuxLlama | yes jucato |
15:35.23 | avarus | sorry :) |
15:35.32 | LinuxLlama | haha its my fault |
15:35.41 | Jucato | :) |
15:35.44 | thiago_home | LinuxLlama: you're trying to build KDE 4 against Qt 3. Did you build Qt 4 already? |
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15:36.06 | LinuxLlama | yes |
15:36.14 | LinuxLlama | make and make install |
15:36.16 | IamEthos | will <insert catchy name for Arts replacement> be able to work with Jack? |
15:36.30 | Jucato | oh thiago just a quick question about Qt (and KDE for that matter), is it possible to create non-rectangular/irregularly shapped widgets with Qt? |
15:36.39 | IamEthos | in KDE 4 that is |
15:36.47 | hiroaki | is it possible to change the colour of the kmilo volume window? |
15:37.05 | Jucato | hiroaki: not sure |
15:37.20 | Narishma | IamEthos: does xine or gstreamer work with jackd ? |
15:37.42 | LinuxLlama | thiago_home: so do I need to remove qt3 and reinstall qt4.3? |
15:37.45 | hiroaki | o.k. i'll give it a try |
15:37.48 | thiago_home | LinuxLlama: no |
15:37.59 | LinuxLlama | hmm... |
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15:38.02 | thiago_home | LinuxLlama: you need to install Qt 4.3. Or you can build it from sources. |
15:38.07 | thiago_home | LinuxLlama: do NOT remove Qt 3 |
15:38.10 | LinuxLlama | ok |
15:38.26 | LinuxLlama | so is qt-copy in svn 4.3? |
15:38.27 | thiago_home | the techbase article explains how to build Qt from sources. |
15:38.40 | PhilRod | IamEthos: check matthias kretz's blog. IIRC 4.0 will only have the xine engine, but others will follow |
15:38.42 | LinuxLlama | I DID build it from sources |
15:38.46 | thiago_home | if your distribution already ships Qt 4.3, you can install that one and skip that part of the instructions |
15:38.59 | LinuxLlama | it does not, so i built it from source. |
15:39.13 | thiago_home | LinuxLlama: where did you install it to? |
15:39.50 | LinuxLlama | '/usr/lib/qt4' i think |
15:39.57 | IamEthos | PhilRod, wow, if that is his girlfriend/wife, he is a lucky man |
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15:42.00 | Sulo_Seppa | :/ |
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15:42.31 | Sulo_Seppa | There are two kinds of linux users: One who uses Qt, and the other who hates life. |
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15:49.07 | MrParanoia | i have 357 installed on mandriva 2007.1 - the problem i'm having is the missing border around the windows - i.e. the minimize/maximize/close buttons are missing - and i can't type anything into a window - i.e. terminal window - what am i missing? |
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15:49.37 | avarus | MrParanoia, you are missing the window manager |
15:50.28 | MrParanoia | i don't think so |
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15:50.35 | avarus | ok :) |
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15:51.26 | PR1MUX | hey can anyone give me some advice on fedora 7, im trying to install 3495 driver INTEL wireless pro but i keep running in to problems |
15:51.44 | Jucato | PR1MUX: might want to ask in #fedora about that |
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15:51.51 | PR1MUX | ok |
15:52.06 | PR1MUX | i need to be identified to join that channel lol |
15:52.07 | PR1MUX | wtfmate |
15:52.11 | MrParanoia | the install upgrade was initially successful so i'm wondering what package i removed that might have caused this - the only thing i can remember doing was adding 3D effects which required additional packages |
15:52.33 | MiahMan | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC |
15:52.37 | PhilRod | MrParanoia: ps aux | grep kwin |
15:52.46 | PhilRod | is it running? |
15:53.32 | MrParanoia | no, it isn't running |
15:53.47 | LinuxLlama | have i been abandoned? |
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15:55.07 | thiago_home | MrParanoia: you are not running a window manager |
15:55.11 | thiago_home | MrParanoia: start kwin |
15:55.13 | LinuxLlama | ok |
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15:56.09 | wolsni | PR1MUX: if you're on fedora 7 then you shouldn't need to do anything to get IPW 3945 working (except maybe update to the latest kernel) |
15:57.51 | MrParanoia | PhilRod: that's what the problem was - i removed ia_ora-kde-kwin and then when i re-installed it everything became OK again - thanks |
15:57.56 | BlueMaex | how can i start kontact minimized? |
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15:58.29 | thiago_home | BlueMaex: kstart --help |
15:58.47 | MrParanoia | too bad there isn't a message that states that it is needed in order for things to work right |
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16:18.32 | Zemus | You guys are awesome. Thanks again for the help. :D It's been a full hour and #gnome still hasn't answered the question you answered as soon as I came in here. KDE ftw! :> |
16:19.08 | PhilRod | just depends what time of day/week you arrive - sometimes this place is completely dead, sometimes it's buzzing |
16:19.52 | Zemus | Heh. |
16:20.26 | thiago_home | if you ask when everybody is asleep, no one answers |
16:20.45 | Zemus | <PROTECTED> |
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16:27.56 | LinuxLlama | i think i have been abandoned |
16:28.30 | LinuxLlama | how do i tell kdelibs4 to compile against qt4? its using qt3 for some reason |
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16:29.30 | LinuxLlama | sorry |
16:29.39 | t35t0r | it should use what it wants |
16:29.46 | t35t0r | checked the config logs? |
16:29.52 | LinuxLlama | yeah |
16:30.04 | LinuxLlama | it detects qt-copy-4.3.x or something |
16:30.45 | LinuxLlama | and i ran 'export QTDIR="/usr/lib/qt4"' |
16:31.34 | PhilRod | do the compile lines contain "-I/path/to/qt3" ? |
16:31.49 | LinuxLlama | yes |
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16:32.32 | thiago_home | QTDIR isn't used |
16:32.36 | thiago_home | don't set it |
16:32.37 | LinuxLlama | ok |
16:32.47 | thiago_home | make sure QMAKESPEC isn't set either (some distributions have that bad habit) |
16:32.51 | thiago_home | set PATH correctly |
16:33.13 | LinuxLlama | what do you mean? set PATH correctly? haha... ive seen that so many times but ive never been able to figure it out |
16:33.32 | LinuxLlama | QMAKESPEC isnt set, so thats good. |
16:33.33 | thiago_home | set PATH correctly to include qmake |
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16:34.12 | LinuxLlama | so... export PATH="something..." |
16:34.18 | LinuxLlama | what do i put for something |
16:34.44 | LinuxLlama | oh thats interesting |
16:34.45 | thiago_home | if you run "qmake --version", it must say "QMake version 2.01a" and give you the correct path to where you installed Qt. |
16:34.51 | LinuxLlama | declare -x PATH="/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin/:sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/firebird/bin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin:/home/sam/bin" |
16:35.01 | LinuxLlama | /usr/lib/qt3 |
16:35.27 | LinuxLlama | oh thats bad... |
16:35.28 | LinuxLlama | Using Qt version 4.3.0-snapshot-20070423 in /usr/lib/qt3/lib |
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16:36.14 | LinuxLlama | that was from when i tried to get alpha 1 to work, i think |
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16:37.17 | thiago_home | is QMAKESPEC set? |
16:37.20 | LinuxLlama | nope |
16:37.40 | thiago_home | then your setup is really broken |
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16:37.50 | LinuxLlama | ok |
16:37.59 | thiago_home | you must have destroyed your system's Qt 3 installation in the process |
16:38.02 | LinuxLlama | ill remove all traces of qt4 then reinstall qt3 |
16:38.10 | thiago_home | yes, do that |
16:38.12 | LinuxLlama | ok |
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16:52.51 | Kebianizao | Hello |
16:53.25 | Kebianizao | I'm writing a bug report. How do I place a hyperlink to another bug in the bug report descrition field? |
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16:56.02 | oGALAXYo | Kebianizao: simply write the bug number.. i think the bugsquad team will solve it |
16:56.34 | thiago_home | Kebianizao: just write: bug #nnnnnn |
16:56.38 | Kebianizao | like this: #146867, or this 146867? |
16:56.40 | Kebianizao | ahh ok |
16:56.43 | Kebianizao | thanks |
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17:10.36 | arash | Hi guys, what recommmendations for email-client? |
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17:12.33 | wolsni | arash_: i think in #kde most people would recommend kmail :) |
17:12.44 | Kebianizao | right :) |
17:12.44 | arash_ | ops, sorry mistake i clicked that i dropped, any1 commented emailclient? |
17:12.54 | wolsni | just me |
17:13.09 | arash_ | Kmail eh, you compared it with TB? |
17:13.12 | Kebianizao | well, in most cases, I don't for IMAP mail |
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17:13.33 | wolsni | Kebianizao: the cached imap is way better than the regular imap |
17:13.36 | Kebianizao | arash_: yes, it's more integrated and does some jobs better |
17:13.53 | arash_ | ah, well, sounds like it's definetly worth a try :) |
17:14.01 | Kebianizao | wolsni: there are some serious bugs with IMAP AFAIK, don't really know what are the about |
17:14.07 | Kebianizao | arash_: it does |
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17:14.21 | Kebianizao | wolsni: for IMAP I think mailody is the best option |
17:14.27 | arash_ | what IMAP? |
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17:14.42 | wolsni | arash_: it's a mail access protocol |
17:14.46 | wolsni | like POP3 |
17:14.52 | arash_ | lol, I mean 'what's' ;) |
17:14.57 | arash_ | aha |
17:15.05 | arash_ | SMTP any1 ;)? |
17:15.14 | wolsni | arash_: that goes the other way |
17:15.36 | arash_ | Isy Mail Transfer Protocol XD ? |
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17:15.56 | Kebianizao | arash_: simple * |
17:16.04 | Kebianizao | soooo simple.... |
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17:17.31 | arash_ | guys... where is Kmail :p? |
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17:17.51 | Kebianizao | arash_: do you have it installed? |
17:17.59 | Kebianizao | that's the first step ;) |
17:18.02 | arash_ | According to Adept yes :p |
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17:18.30 | Kebianizao | just run kmail |
17:18.35 | arash_ | eh ok |
17:18.47 | arash_ | t :) |
17:18.48 | Kebianizao | in the internet menu section |
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17:21.26 | arash_ | why cant 1 person make predefine Gmail instead of every 10'000 do it :@ |
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17:33.58 | root__ | \nick 4rk4n |
17:34.25 | Angelus | does someone know where kde3.5.7 is installed on kubuntu? |
17:34.39 | Kebianizao | Angelus: ask #kubuntu |
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17:34.45 | Angelus | ok |
17:34.46 | Angelus | :p |
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17:45.58 | secleinteer | hi, does anyone know if there will be support for tabs in dolphin? |
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17:50.57 | Sho_ | secleinteer: Not in 4.0, and probably not beyond either |
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17:51.49 | secleinteer | Sho_: so basically it's going to be like nautilus for kde |
17:52.02 | secleinteer | what's wrong with having the _option_ to have tabs at least |
17:52.10 | wolsni | secleinteer: that option exists in konqueror |
17:52.18 | avarus | <PROTECTED> |
17:52.30 | Sho_ | secleinteer: Hm well, I can't find the features of Nautilus I find most memorable (lots of crashing and slowness) in Dolphin so far |
17:52.46 | secleinteer | well that's all of gnome |
17:52.56 | Sho_ | secleinteer: You can still use Konq, btw |
17:53.00 | secleinteer | wolsni: but is konqueror as a file browser still going to be maintained? |
17:53.12 | secleinteer | or is that going to be deprecated in kde4? |
17:53.21 | wolsni | it will still be around |
17:53.32 | wolsni | i think it will even import functionality from dolphin where applicable |
17:53.35 | Sho_ | secleinteer: Right now there are no plans to remove file browsing from Konqueror |
17:53.53 | secleinteer | but dolphin will be the default manager? |
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17:54.00 | wolsni | yes |
17:54.06 | Sho_ | secleinteer: Konqueror will also re-use the file listing components developed by Dolphin, so there's not a lot of redundancy on the code level |
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17:54.18 | secleinteer | yeah, i read about that |
17:54.29 | secleinteer | btw, i had a question about the tabs in konq that one of you might be able to answer |
17:54.43 | secleinteer | if you change the default listing view to "detail list" |
17:54.47 | secleinteer | that only applies to the first tab |
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17:55.00 | secleinteer | is there some way to make it apply to multiple tabs automatically? |
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18:09.26 | Psycoshot | Hey, has anyone here had a problem with Amarok, the list, instead of it being 1 lighter colour, one darker, it goes 1 REALLY light the other normally dark. |
18:09.26 | Psycoshot | Right now my lsit goes white dark blue, white, dark blue |
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18:09.49 | Kebianizao | Psycoshot: maybe you chose another theme |
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18:15.39 | Psycoshot | I know its not the the,e |
18:15.41 | Psycoshot | *themem |
18:15.44 | Psycoshot | **theme |
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18:16.00 | Psycoshot | It is right when I set the colours |
18:16.05 | Psycoshot | then I change desktops |
18:16.06 | Psycoshot | and back |
18:16.18 | Psycoshot | and then its screwed |
18:16.23 | Psycoshot | or when ai change the song |
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18:39.23 | Psycoshot | Does anyone here have Kiba-dock |
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18:39.40 | sabayonlive-2896 | in the menu where file , edit, view appear , it is color RED . how do i change these colors? |
18:40.13 | annma | sabayonlive-2896: what menu? |
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18:40.52 | Psycoshot | I think he means the menu bar in like programs? |
18:40.59 | sabayonlive-2896 | like in konqueror , the bar up on top |
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18:41.34 | Psycoshot | Kmenu>System settings >appearnece |
18:41.39 | annma | decoration window? |
18:42.25 | thiago_home | sabayonlive-2896: the one where you read "File", "Edit", "View" ? |
18:42.48 | Psycoshot | Its the menu bar at the top of every program |
18:42.55 | Psycoshot | *almost every |
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18:44.01 | Psycoshot | HAs anyone here gotten Kiba-Dock to work for KDE??? |
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18:44.30 | sacater | hey |
18:44.39 | sacater | kde seems to keep creating hidden files |
18:44.40 | annma | Psycoshot: what's the problem? |
18:44.44 | sacater | how do i turn this off? |
18:44.49 | annma | sacater: example? |
18:44.54 | sacater | er |
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18:44.59 | sacater | o edit a text file with kate |
18:45.13 | Psycoshot | annma: I have kiba-dock for my kubunut, and I'm trying to get "stack" plugin to work. |
18:45.22 | annma | sacater: you mean a backup file? |
18:45.29 | sacater | annma: yeh |
18:45.33 | Psycoshot | annma: But I'm not sure if its like a kde problem |
18:45.34 | sacater | how do i stop it doing that |
18:45.35 | annma | Psycoshot: #kbuntu |
18:45.49 | pinotree | settings -> configure kate -> opening/saving |
18:45.50 | annma | sacater: in Settings Configure kate |
18:45.54 | pinotree | sacater: ^ |
18:45.58 | sacater | ty |
18:46.00 | annma | like pinotree said sacater |
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18:46.19 | sacater | np |
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18:46.38 | sacater | what do i need to disable |
18:46.58 | sacater | its k |
18:46.59 | sacater | got it |
18:47.01 | sacater | thanks |
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18:52.58 | Mitja | How do I go to a certain bookmark while on another page? |
18:53.05 | Mitja | in kpdf? |
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18:56.39 | sabayonlive-1036 | when i end a session, how do you make it so when you start it again, the windows you had open appear again? |
18:57.12 | thiago_home | that's the default setting of KDE |
18:58.22 | thiago_home | KDE Control Center, KDE Components, Session Manager |
18:58.22 | sabayonlive-1036 | when i log out, and login again, all the windows disappear |
18:58.48 | sabayonlive-1036 | thank you! |
18:58.50 | oGALAXYo | thiago: he means true session save.. |
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18:59.03 | oGALAXYo | state saving or so. |
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18:59.43 | sabayonlive-1036 | yes, found it! thank you! |
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19:08.20 | sabayonlive-1046 | how do you change it so all the icons for htm files show up as firefox icons? |
19:08.33 | Pogonip | Can someone recommed a good source for fixing my PATH? I keep getting 'No such file or dirctory at the end of my $PATH variable, exam: 'bash: /usr/lib/ccache/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/home/Jeff/bin: No such file or directory' |
19:08.48 | thiago_home | sabayonlive-1046: have you tried changing the icon for text/html? |
19:09.00 | thiago_home | Pogonip: wrong channel |
19:09.15 | sabayonlive-1046 | how do you do that? |
19:09.30 | Pogonip | Can you recommend a channel? |
19:09.45 | thiago_home | sabayonlive-1046: in Konqueror, go to Settings, Configure Konqueror, File Associations |
19:10.02 | thiago_home | Pogonip: try your distribution's |
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19:35.21 | i0nC4nn0n|home | hello..... |
19:35.27 | Kebianizao | hi |
19:35.34 | i0nC4nn0n|home | just trying to break the silence... |
19:35.47 | wolsni | silence in a help channel is a good thing :) |
19:35.50 | thiago_home | you succeeded, now let's go back to the silence :_) |
19:36.18 | i0nC4nn0n|home | roger wilco |
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19:40.08 | odla | has anyone successfully compiled kickoff? i'd like to do it on debian and i was wondering if anyone knew of a good how-to |
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19:42.16 | annma | odla: I think it's the usual |
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19:42.28 | annma | check you have kdelibs and qt devel packages |
19:42.28 | odla | annma: ? |
19:42.35 | annma | point to KDE install |
19:42.45 | annma | and configure with prefix |
19:42.48 | odla | annma: doesn't it require patching? |
19:42.51 | annma | make an dmake install as root |
19:43.00 | annma | no idea |
19:43.06 | annma | where are the sources? |
19:43.14 | annma | if the sources are a patch then it does |
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19:43.56 | annma | otherwise compile and install it, remove K Menu and put kickoff instead |
19:44.09 | odla | annma: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/suse_kickoff_qstyle/ |
19:44.16 | annma | from kicker, can you remove K menu? |
19:44.28 | wolsni | yes |
19:44.43 | annma | what is that odla? |
19:44.50 | annma | seems rather old stuff |
19:45.02 | annma | isn't there any tarball instead? |
19:45.15 | odla | i don't know |
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19:46.09 | annma | odla: what kde version do you have? |
19:46.19 | odla | 3.5.7 |
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19:46.57 | odla | root_: probably not a good idea to irc as root |
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19:47.48 | root__ | d |
19:48.47 | annma | odla: tehre's a kbuntu package, that won't do it? |
19:49.08 | annma | Edgy Elf |
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19:49.33 | odla | annma: no ... binaries shouldn't be used between ubuntu and debian ... it sometimes leads to broken packages |
19:49.41 | litb | mishka: i know a vulnerability in your irc client |
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19:50.01 | odla | annma: and it's chunk full of kubuntu branding |
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19:54.14 | annma | seems that there is no tarball |
19:54.18 | annma | that sucks |
19:54.19 | stoned | annma: ! |
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19:54.36 | stoned | you've been away |
19:54.42 | stoned | are you really back now? |
19:54.47 | annma | I was on vacation, yes |
19:54.53 | annma | yes! |
19:54.55 | stoned | im so glad to see you |
19:55.03 | stoned | how was your vacation? |
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19:55.12 | annma | it was great thanks |
19:55.15 | stoned | oh really? you're glad to see yourself too ;) |
19:55.23 | annma | ;) yeah |
19:55.36 | annma | a bit magalomaniac I know |
19:55.42 | stoned | mega* |
19:56.00 | annma | are you superstoned? |
19:56.11 | stoned | stone sober |
19:56.13 | stoned | at work right now |
19:56.26 | annma | your nick I mean |
19:56.41 | annma | was your nick superstoned recently? |
19:56.51 | stoned | never |
19:57.00 | stoned | do you not remember me? |
19:57.09 | stoned | Nyle |
19:57.10 | stoned | stoned |
19:57.12 | annma | not really stoned |
19:57.21 | stoned | i was your adopted online son |
19:57.23 | stoned | :( |
19:57.25 | stoned | hehe |
19:57.28 | annma | oh right |
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19:57.41 | stoned | thats bad |
19:57.47 | stoned | lol |
19:57.54 | stoned | ok maybe this will help |
19:57.57 | stoned | im the pakistani guy |
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19:58.03 | annma | :) |
19:58.03 | stoned | who misses his moms cooking |
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19:58.57 | stoned | but i got the next best thing |
19:59.05 | stoned | my sister, not as good as my mom, but it works |
19:59.29 | annma | :)) |
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20:11.31 | Freddy2 | hi |
20:12.32 | Freddy2 | yesterday i tested the opensuse-based kde4 beta1 livecd, and i saw something strange: the split view mode for konsole only allows you to work in clone mode? |
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20:12.55 | Freddy2 | why? why don't have both views working in standalone? |
20:13.14 | Skrot- | Freddy2: beta 1 is old, try SVN and see if it's still ike that |
20:13.17 | Skrot- | like* |
20:13.59 | Freddy2 | anyway, is this the expected behaviour? or it's only a matter of time to change it? |
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20:14.37 | thiago_home | you'd have to ask the developer |
20:14.43 | thiago_home | but try beta 2 first |
20:14.53 | Freddy2 | hmm when will be available? |
20:15.04 | Skrot- | It's still clone in recent SVN |
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20:15.49 | Skrot- | Freddy2: Same sessions are clone, but you can work on two sessions, one in each split part |
20:16.27 | Freddy2 | i was wondering to have something similar to the split view that's included at notepad++ |
20:16.55 | Skrot- | Never tried it, but that the same instance of a session is cloned seems right |
20:17.09 | Freddy2 | so you can clone a view, or simply move a tab to another view.. even rotate (so this allows you to have both horizontal or vertical splits) |
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20:18.45 | Freddy2 | you cant take a look at here http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/es/screenshots.php |
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20:21.57 | secleinteer | could someone tell me what the "formatted name" field in kontact is? |
20:22.10 | secleinteer | does it mean [first name] [last name]? |
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20:23.19 | sabayonlive-1816 | where do i go to set partitions? |
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20:27.39 | litb | sabayonlive-1816: "set partitions" ?? |
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20:28.53 | dergringo | Is this the right place to ask questions about kdenlight? |
20:29.07 | thiago_home | never heard of it |
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20:31.49 | Kebianizao | dergringo: kdenlive? |
20:33.36 | dergringo | Kebianizao: http://www.kdenlive.org/ |
20:34.00 | Kebianizao | dergringo: you spelled it wrong |
20:34.36 | dergringo | oh sorry I mean kdenlive |
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20:44.43 | x_link | stoned: y0y0 |
20:44.52 | x_link | stoned: Hur är det? ;D |
20:46.03 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Ping |
20:46.10 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: pong |
20:46.12 | stoned | bara bra, tak |
20:46.20 | stoned | x_link: its my little neice's bday today |
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20:46.29 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Two questions |
20:46.31 | stoned | I'm gonna try not to buy her a barbie doll |
20:46.39 | stoned | I think I'll buy her an ipod or laptop |
20:46.44 | DaSkreech | one is konvi one isn't which do you want first? |
20:46.47 | stoned | I dunno what little girls like man |
20:46.54 | x_link | stoned: Ohh nice!! |
20:46.59 | stoned | i'll buy her a pink ipod |
20:47.00 | x_link | I have a little girl |
20:47.05 | x_link | stoned: Yeah |
20:47.07 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: however you prefer |
20:47.12 | DaSkreech | ok |
20:47.15 | x_link | I just bought my girl a pink cellphone |
20:47.20 | stoned | cute |
20:47.20 | x_link | Sho_: Hi ! |
20:47.33 | Sho_ | hi x_link |
20:47.34 | x_link | Sho_: She only takes pictures with it |
20:47.40 | x_link | Sho_: Hi, did you see my message? |
20:47.53 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Does yakuake have a way to alert you ? |
20:47.56 | Sho_ | x_link: I don't think so, sorry |
20:47.57 | x_link | Sho_: It was called scim-qtimm, scim and not scim, just with one "m" =) |
20:48.02 | Sho_ | x_link: ah |
20:48.04 | DaSkreech | I think konsole has a bell and a lil popup thing |
20:48.16 | x_link | That's why sudp aptitude purge scimm-qtimm didn't work =) |
20:49.09 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: You can set an audio bell from the context menu for when the window is closed, and the Konsole visual bell (inverts the text widget as flashing) should work in the Konsolepart too. I can't light up the tab or something though, because the KPart doesn't give me a signal I could process (hopefully it will in KDE4) |
20:50.10 | DaSkreech | Sho_: ok what do you mean when the window id closed? |
20:50.57 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Well, if you want to be notified while the window is hidden the audio bell seems to be the prudent choice? ;) |
20:51.43 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Yeah duh :) unless I get a popup thing |
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20:52.47 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Try setting the Bell to "System Notification" and then having a look to the KNotify events for Konsole in KControl -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Notifications. That might get you a popup from the KPart, too. |
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20:55.50 | DaSkreech | Sho_: neat Ok Next |
20:55.56 | DaSkreech | Sho_: What's the KDe4 konvi plan? |
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20:57.07 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Currently the plan is to finish Konversation 1.1 for KDE 3 in the next few weeks and then start porting it to KDE 4 during its string freeze |
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20:57.45 | DaSkreech | Sho_: can telepathy work for konversation? |
20:57.55 | DaSkreech | Like linking someone's IM to the IRC nick? |
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20:58.32 | InvisibleEye | Hi, how can I install a .kcsrc file? |
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20:59.17 | odla | InvisibleEye: isn't that a colour scheme? through kcontrol import color |
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20:59.52 | InvisibleEye | Yeah, thats a colour scheme, I give your hint a try! |
21:00.04 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: I'm not sure. We're definitely not going to throw away our IRC protocol implementation in favor over some half-assed backend we have to communicate with over a lowest common denominator D-Bus interface, that doesn't make sense for Konversation. For the presence and contact linking stuff, we currently integrate with KAdressBook in KDE 3, as does Kopete, so you can already link someone's IM contact with someone's IRC nick through KAddressBook. Unfortunately |
21:00.04 | Sho_ | the library/API that allows us to do this has not been ported and is effectively gone, so we will no longer have KAddressBook integration in the initial KDE 4 release as far as I can see. |
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21:00.44 | DaSkreech | Sho_: But isn't that essentially what telepathy is? A notification of linkage? |
21:00.44 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: I'm not sure if Decibel is what is going to replace that, or if it's Khalki, or whatever - but we do plan to add that functionality back as soon as we can. But it doesn't look like it will be before KDE 4.1. |
21:01.05 | DaSkreech | I think it might be Khalki but that's shelved |
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21:01.38 | DaSkreech | Yeah I'm over all not expecting much apps to do things before 4.1 |
21:01.49 | InvisibleEye | <odla> It works great thnx! |
21:02.44 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Telepathy is a lot of things. One of the things it is is a way to have protocol implementations in some backend that is seperate from the frontend app and they communicate over DBus -- that's something we definitely won't do; we'll keep our IRC protocol implementation internal to the application. |
21:02.56 | odla | InvisibleEye: good |
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21:03.21 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: If Decibel (as KDE's Telepathy implementation) becomes the de-facto way to do thinks like the 'account linkage' and communicate presence information on the desktop and what not, we're going to use it for that |
21:03.51 | DaSkreech | Sho_: So currently the plan is port and then lurk to see whats good |
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21:04.50 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Decibel won't be ready for 4.0 as I understand it and the tech we currently use to do KAddressBook integration (and thus interoperate with Kopete & Co) is also gone from 4.0, so for that first release aimed at KDE 4.0 we don't really have a lot of options, yeah .. |
21:05.20 | DaSkreech | wait you are making it in for 4.0? |
21:05.24 | DaSkreech | sweet :) |
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21:05.49 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: No, we're staying in Extragear. |
21:06.20 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: We are going to try to have a fairly straight KDE 4 port of the app available in time for the KDE 4.0 release or at least as early as possible in its life cycle, however. |
21:06.37 | DaSkreech | Oh yeah |
21:06.45 | DaSkreech | Konvi is one of those |
21:07.31 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: We'll have to see if that's possible ... we're starting pretty late, so there's a lot to change and adapt to, and while the Konversation code isn't particularly complicated there is a lot of it |
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21:08.13 | DaSkreech | thats ok |
21:08.34 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Taking things like KAddressBook integration out is actually helpful in that regard though ;) |
21:08.48 | Sho_ | That's the upside of the downside |
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21:10.33 | DaSkreech | Start of a revolution :) |
21:11.03 | Sho_ | (so is the release date back-bump *hides from pinotree*) |
21:11.28 | pinotree | ... |
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21:12.08 | DaSkreech | there he is |
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21:13.06 | benJIman | The main upside of the delay is that it's still going to be completely broken in october, and after all the hype a completely broken release wouldn't be great for KDE reputation. |
21:14.08 | DaSkreech | The main downside is the shaking of the head of Mr Shuttleworth |
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21:16.51 | KebiaAWAY | dergringo: maybe you're luckier in their mailing list |
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21:16.56 | DaSkreech | though I recall him saying that he would give 4.0 a break :) |
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21:19.13 | fage | when will kde4 be out ? |
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21:19.53 | benJIman | Does anyone have any suggestions why escape key would stop functioning in KDE, even though xev shows it is still emiting the correct keycode? |
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21:20.43 | DaSkreech | fage: When it's done |
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21:25.20 | benJIman | Could have sworn I didn't change anything. |
21:26.34 | Sho_ | benJIman: Which setting? |
21:26.51 | benJIman | Sho_: However I've disabled the escape key. |
21:27.10 | benJIman | Khotkeys and xev recognise it as esc, but it no longer cancels dialogues, and doesn't cancel find-as-you-type etc. |
21:27.24 | Sho_ | benJIman: Ah. It sounded like you had just found the cause and I was curious as to what it was |
21:27.45 | benJIman | No I'm trying to find it. |
21:28.01 | benJIman | Tried another user and it works there, so must be a setting. |
21:28.10 | benJIman | But I really can't remember changing anything. |
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21:34.02 | benJIman | Even deleting kdeglobals khotkeysrc etc doesn't fix it. |
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21:34.27 | benJIman | When I find it I'll svn blame whoever made this setting ¬_¬ |
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21:51.11 | B4ckBOne | is there something like vino for gnome for kde? |
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21:51.56 | B4ckBOne | vino is a vnc server which allows remote controll of a running x session .. so the user sitting at the pc can see what you are doing remoteley |
21:51.57 | Ace2016 | The error messages get stranger every day |
21:52.00 | Ace2016 | XDM_MANAGED="/var/run/xdmctl/xdmctl-:0,maysd,mayfn,sched,rsvd,method=classic" Fontmap entry for John's has an invalid file or alias name! Giving up. |
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21:53.53 | B4ckBOne | any ideas? |
21:54.01 | B4ckBOne | noone? |
21:54.01 | tosky | B4ckBOne: krdc, in the kdenetwork module |
21:54.04 | Narishma | B4ckBOne: krdc |
21:54.21 | B4ckBOne | krdc is the client ? isnt it? |
21:54.59 | Narishma | yes |
21:55.28 | B4ckBOne | i need a vnc server, able connecting to a logged on user's screen |
21:55.56 | Ace2016 | for kde? |
21:56.02 | B4ckBOne | yes |
21:56.14 | B4ckBOne | just like vino for gnome |
21:56.16 | Ace2016 | are you spying on someone? |
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21:56.28 | B4ckBOne | no .. helping my clients :-) |
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21:56.54 | B4ckBOne | if i would be spying i wouldnt want to take controll of the mouse and keyboard |
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21:57.11 | Rasi | hmm |
21:57.13 | Rasi | i am searching for a good ed2k client for kde |
21:57.15 | Rasi | is there one? |
21:57.24 | Narishma | B4ckBOne: there's a vnc server in kde |
21:57.33 | Narishma | B4ckBOne: it's called desktop sharing or something like that |
21:57.42 | Narishma | and you can connect to it with krdc |
21:57.51 | Rasi | yup |
21:58.02 | Rasi | its in the package krfb |
21:58.19 | B4ckBOne | krfb .. looking into it now |
21:58.22 | B4ckBOne | thx |
21:58.25 | Ace2016 | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/krdm?content=41692 |
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21:59.40 | Narishma | Rasi: kmldonkey ? |
21:59.48 | Rasi | hmm.. |
21:59.52 | Rasi | i tried it before |
22:00.00 | Rasi | needs 50mb of dependencies... |
22:00.06 | Rasi | and didnt start downloading at all |
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22:00.51 | Rasi | but the program itself seemed nice |
22:00.53 | Rasi | and fast... |
22:00.55 | Rasi | hehe |
22:01.02 | Rasi | maybe i give it another shot |
22:01.25 | Rasi | its just that i dont know of any apps the are based on ML, so it is like 50MB just for a ed2k client |
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22:01.55 | B4ckBOne | Narishma, exactly what i was looking for .. thx |
22:01.56 | Narishma | I've never used it myself so I can't say if it's good or not |
22:02.02 | Ace2016 | http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/15315.html << this looks like what B4ckBOne is after but what is that app called? |
22:02.50 | Narishma | Ace2016: that's krfb |
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22:04.06 | B4ckBOne | Ace2016, thats a nice pictured howto .. im reading it ;-) thx |
22:04.14 | Ace2016 | oh, it looked like some custom novell app for doing that stuff |
22:05.05 | Ace2016 | Help, what do i do? http://pastebin.com/d5fd2545d |
22:06.19 | Ace2016 | Fontmap entry for John's has an invalid file or alias name! Giving up. |
22:06.30 | Ace2016 | How do i find this john |
22:06.51 | B4ckBOne | maybe its John the ripper .... |
22:09.18 | B4ckBOne | john the ripper is a password hash breaking software .. |
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22:10.23 | stoned | john? |
22:10.28 | stoned | I thought it was Jack The Ripper |
22:10.35 | stoned | named after the movie/serial killer thing |
22:10.51 | Ace2016 | no |
22:11.01 | Ace2016 | its related to my error message |
22:11.08 | Ace2016 | Fontmap entry for John's has an invalid file or alias name! Giving up. |
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22:18.09 | benJIman | Sho_: Perhaps it's not a KDE problem, esc isn't working in vim either. |
22:18.17 | benJIman | But xev is showing it as keycode 9, most odd. |
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22:19.07 | benJIman | "state 0x10, keycode 9 (keysym 0xff1b, Escape), same_screen YES," |
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22:23.19 | duvnell | I accidently removed my system tray .. how can I get it back? |
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22:24.07 | DaSkreech | duvnell: it's an applet just add it back by right clicking kicker |
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22:25.18 | duvnell | ah.. thx |
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22:34.13 | chuy_max | hi, is it possible to graph circles in kmplot? |
22:34.22 | pinotree | it is |
22:34.40 | pinotree | see the parametric plot type |
22:34.40 | mmiikkee12 | how do i make my keyboard's volume keys work? |
22:36.02 | chuy_max | mmiikkee12 it seems like OT to me, but I guess you can achieve it with hotkeys daemon |
22:36.19 | mmiikkee12 | chuy_max, hmm, i remembered something in control center for that but couldn't find it |
22:36.28 | B4ckBOne | mmiikkee12, look if its putting out some keycodes |
22:36.46 | B4ckBOne | open a Konsole and type xev .. then press the keys |
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22:37.30 | B4ckBOne | if only the keycodes appear .. you must give the keycodes a function .. then you can set them |
22:38.21 | mmiikkee12 | B4ckBOne, http://pastebin.ca/679351 |
22:38.28 | mmiikkee12 | from xev |
22:39.20 | B4ckBOne | keycode 174 keycode 160 |
22:39.32 | B4ckBOne | these are the keycodes ... the numbers :-) |
22:39.47 | mmiikkee12 | yeah... so what do i do with them? |
22:39.48 | B4ckBOne | now you need to xmodmap them to a anme |
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22:39.58 | mmiikkee12 | ah... /me reads man xmodmap |
22:40.22 | B4ckBOne | keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume |
22:40.25 | B4ckBOne | for example |
22:40.55 | B4ckBOne | make a file ~/.Xmodmap containing lines filled with the one above |
22:41.06 | B4ckBOne | keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume |
22:41.30 | B4ckBOne | on boot you execute "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap |
22:41.35 | Kebianizao | mmiikkee12: kcontrol->region & accessibilty-> keyboard layout |
22:41.37 | B4ckBOne | " ^^ |
22:42.00 | B4ckBOne | Kebianizao, that way he wont learn the basics ^^ |
22:42.08 | Kebianizao | mmiikkee12: look there for the most adequate |
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22:42.26 | Kebianizao | B4ckBOne: it should be up to him what he want to learn |
22:42.43 | Kebianizao | maybe he's not expecting a very comprehensive answer |
22:42.53 | B4ckBOne | linux from scrach ... every linux user should at leas once installed it ^^ |
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22:43.19 | B4ckBOne | who cares .. im out |
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22:43.27 | Kebianizao | B4ckBOne: this is not #linuxfromscratch, this is #kde |
22:43.27 | mmiikkee12 | B4ckBOne, i've tried it, failed :) |
22:43.33 | mmiikkee12 | anyway |
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22:43.42 | Kebianizao | test what I said |
22:43.48 | chuy_max | pinotree I'm having trouble graphing the function, if the circle function is r=x^2+y^2, I assumed that I have to put 2 and 2 in both x and y expressions in parametric functions for a circle of radius 2, am I wrong or what? |
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22:44.07 | pinotree | that's not parametric |
22:44.07 | mmiikkee12 | chuy_max, it's x^2+y^2=r^2 |
22:44.10 | Kebianizao | chuy_max: have you tried kalgebra? |
22:44.31 | chuy_max | hola Kebianizao ! |
22:44.56 | Kebianizao | hola, but take care, this channel is english only |
22:45.04 | mmiikkee12 | Kebianizao, i selected "HP SK-2501 Multimedia Keyboard" (not what i have, but it said multimedia so i tried it, and the volume buttons now work |
22:45.10 | chuy_max | no, I haven't used it |
22:45.24 | mmiikkee12 | aside from the huge gray box that appears when i use it that is |
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22:45.37 | Kebianizao | mmiikkee12: you exact model probably it's not there, but maybe it almost work |
22:45.45 | Kebianizao | mmiikkee12: that's kmilo |
22:46.03 | Kebianizao | chuy_max: maybe you would like to give it a go |
22:46.08 | EvilGuru | How does Kate (and other Kate based editors) choose the 'default' character encoding for a new file? |
22:46.18 | mmiikkee12 | internet/email/search still do nothing, but i expected that and didn't plan on ever using them for anything anyway |
22:46.42 | mmiikkee12 | but thanks |
22:46.51 | Kebianizao | mmiikkee12: maybe lineak is also useful for you but i think it's not developed any more |
22:46.58 | mmiikkee12 | EvilGuru, tools>encoding |
22:47.28 | Kebianizao | mmiikkee12: consider reading something about how to submit you exact keyboard layout, I think this depends on X |
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22:47.45 | EvilGuru | mmiikkee12: It is currently iso 8859-1, however I want to make unicode utf-8 the default |
22:48.12 | mmiikkee12 | EvilGuru, then tools>encoding>Unicode (utf8) |
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22:50.24 | Kebianizao | bye |
22:50.27 | mmiikkee12 | Kebianizao, thanks, the volume keys were all i cared about anyway |
22:50.37 | mmiikkee12 | ...or you can just leave :P |
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22:51.36 | chuy_max | kalgebra seems very good |
22:52.24 | Angelus | can kde be installed on FreeBSD |
22:52.25 | Angelus | ? |
22:52.45 | chuy_max | yes |
22:53.13 | chuy_max | you can Angelus |
22:53.27 | Angelus | is it included in the FreeBSD cd or it must be compiled from source? |
22:56.05 | bil | how to search a channel here please? |
22:56.40 | bil | i need the kde fr !! |
22:57.00 | bil | or another fr !:D |
22:57.15 | chuy_max | #kde-fr ? |
22:57.22 | bil | oh yes ty mf ! |
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22:57.59 | bil | i say good night for u thank again! |
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23:02.22 | bil | the french don't give answer arrrrrrrrrrr !bad frenchy.... |
23:03.52 | bil | chuy_max are you expert on sabayon? |
23:03.56 | pinotree | bil: a bit of patience |
23:04.06 | bil | oki |
23:04.33 | chuy_max | bil, sometimes is easier to talk in english than your native language |
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23:06.37 | simmerz | when I'm using kopete with webcam, the webcam steals focus from the chat window, so I can't type. I've tried adjusting the window specific settings, but it still doesn't help |
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23:07.32 | bil | sometime yes lol |
23:08.09 | bil | but some words stay inaccesibility! |
23:08.23 | chuy_max | is it possible to zoom in/out in 3D graph window in kalgebra? |
23:08.48 | simmerz | any reason why that might happen? |
23:08.50 | chuy_max | in 2D it works just by moving the mouse wheel |
23:08.59 | bil | <PROTECTED> |
23:09.16 | bil | i try sabayon actualy |
23:09.34 | chuy_max | bil "algebra" |
23:09.49 | bil | yes i don't know too |
23:10.38 | bil | in sabayon,put in the well mouse and move the cube all direction! |
23:11.06 | bil | is that help you ? lol |
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23:12.25 | chuy_max | bil hahaha, no |
23:13.02 | bil | you have beril compiz no? |
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23:15.06 | bil | or etheral with all that i don't know to give my head..... |
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23:17.06 | chuy_max | bil, kalgebra is not a distro |
23:17.31 | chuy_max | how can I plot a sphere in kalgebra? |
23:17.55 | bil | you have compiz? |
23:18.18 | Angelus | Compiz-Fusion |
23:18.19 | Angelus | :p |
23:18.35 | chuy_max | bil nope, I just replaced my motherboard and it doesn't have agp port for my old video card |
23:18.37 | bil | yes now is it this |
23:18.56 | bil | oh oh ! |
23:19.07 | bil | not compatible? |
23:19.14 | chuy_max | there are not apropriate video drivers for my integrated video card yet |
23:19.20 | bil | or no port directly |
23:19.34 | chuy_max | PCI express only |
23:19.43 | bil | ati? |
23:20.31 | chuy_max | my old one, yeah |
23:20.48 | bil | and your integred |
23:20.48 | chuy_max | Ati Radeon 7000 |
23:21.02 | chuy_max | integrated is a VIA Unichrome |
23:21.24 | bil | ohlalalala i don't have this one in my life! |
23:21.50 | bil | so do you see on the web site VIA? |
23:22.12 | chuy_max | yep |
23:22.21 | bil | or go to you website of you motherboard !! |
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23:22.31 | chuy_max | viaarena.com for drivers, the entire website sucks |
23:22.32 | bil | normaly they have it |
23:22.39 | bil | lol |
23:22.59 | bil | give me your motherboard name exatly |
23:23.03 | chuy_max | you can say a website sucks when they tell you to download a binary from a site, you go search it and it doesn't exist |
23:23.07 | bil | and reference |
23:23.12 | chuy_max | video[1106:3343 @ VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 Host Bridge] |
23:23.29 | bil | motherboard !! |
23:23.37 | chuy_max | P4M890 -_- |
23:23.46 | bil | P4M890 ? |
23:23.48 | bil | ok |
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23:26.11 | bil | i need you operating system not the name algrebra you see? |
23:26.42 | chuy_max | GNU/Linux |
23:26.52 | bil | suse debian? every thing |
23:26.54 | chuy_max | hehehe, distro perhaps? |
23:27.02 | Red_Cloud | Whenever I use Kpackage to update I go to Special / APT: Debian / Update which opens a dialogue window to enter my root password. Within this window there is an option to tick "Keep password". I have habitually ticked this option but do not know that it has any effect whatsoever. What does this option do? |
23:27.05 | chuy_max | ubuntu 7.04 |
23:27.40 | bil | try this? http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=45 |
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23:28.26 | chuy_max | bil, trust me, I've tried it, the whole website sucks |
23:28.45 | chuy_max | bil, if you follow the links, you'll get a PDF that tells you to download a binary that is not found anywhere |
23:29.28 | bil | http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/via_unichrome_fbd_v2.6.00.03a_appnote_ver0.8a.gz think is that no? |
23:29.46 | chuy_max | yup, a compressed PDF |
23:29.58 | bil | realy?nooo |
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23:32.32 | bil | oh what this website llooool |
23:34.44 | chuy_max | wow, gnuplot rocks, kalgebra should be gnuplot compatible |
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23:36.45 | bil | you found? |
23:39.14 | bil | now if it run properly :D |
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23:40.41 | bil | wellllll i go see all later ! |
23:41.08 | bil | bye chuy.. and good luck for this driver |
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23:54.01 | Steve^ | In Kate, how can I show the special characters? |
23:54.05 | Steve^ | like tabs.. newlines, etc |
23:54.31 | benJIman | Steve^: settings -> configure -> editing -> show tabulators |
23:55.11 | Steve^ | is there a way to show \n and \r too? |
23:55.16 | timrs | does anyone know why the kgtk engine doesn't change the font in firefox's toolbars and menus? |
23:55.25 | benJIman | Not sure, it shows when there's not a newline Steve^ |
23:55.43 | benJIman | So when there's nothing shown it's a newline, when there's a greyed out area it's an auto-wrap. |
23:56.02 | Anonycat | Speaking of Kate, is there an add-on that will give me access to word count/other document stats? |
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23:56.15 | Steve^ | benJIman, my actual issue is my script had a random \r, I wanted to check it out in detail |
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23:56.48 | Steve^ | oh wait, I got it |
23:56.58 | Steve^ | I know the problem anyway :P |
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23:58.59 | D-Fender | hello, my laptop has an internal card reader. It detects the card, but when i try to copy more than like 3 files to it at once, it loses contact with the card, then redetects a second later, and my files that were already copied are gone. How do I fix this? |
23:59.42 | timrs | D-Fender: that should'nt be a kde issue, go to ur distro channel |