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| 00:04.44 | veng | hi, I just installed sabayon, how do I find my browser? |
| 00:05.09 | waawaamilk | humm |
| 00:05.16 | waawaamilk | seems I might have to run kdesktop |
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| 00:25.16 | mandhyl | just an konversation test |
| 00:25.24 | mandhyl | ok |
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| 00:30.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sho_: Boo |
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| 00:32.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | SmallR2002! |
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| 00:34.23 | LingusMcGunny | I have a total n00b question: I hid some of the menus in K3b, like the toolbar (File, Help, etc) and the file browser for adding media to the project. How do i get it back? :\ |
| 00:35.49 | wolsni | for most KDE apps that support hiding the menu bar, ctrl+M is the default shortcut for doing so |
| 00:36.40 | waawaamilk | I have established that if you start kdesktop once, even if you kill it later this is enough to trigger the kscreensaver into working |
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| 00:37.08 | wolsni | once you have the menu, settings->show directories should bring back the minibrowser |
| 00:37.10 | waawaamilk | unfortunately the only two process listing differences are a couple of kioslaves that started - file and media |
| 00:38.59 | LingusMcGunny | Thank you very much. I just got it configured as i like it. |
| 00:41.09 | LingusMcGunny | I'm so impressed with the KDE stuff. I used it once about 5 years ago, but i've never really had a computer that could take advantage of the fluffiness it gives to applications. My friend showed me K3b and it is just awesome. I installed kdeutils today as well and love simple things like kdf. |
| 00:42.04 | wolsni | just wait a few months for KDE 4 :) |
| 00:42.16 | LingusMcGunny | Haha, that's what i hear. |
| 00:42.35 | TBC_Ly0n | or 1 or 2 years if you use debian packages :))))) |
| 00:43.15 | LingusMcGunny | Hearing you guys talk about kscreensaver is getting me to build kde3artwork to check it out. I remember kscreensaver from a long time ago, and i'm just interested to see how far it's come. I was really blown away by the progress the KDE packages have made in 5 years. |
| 00:44.15 | wolsni | if I'm not mistaken most of the screensavers used by kscreensaver are borrowed from xscreensaver |
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| 00:44.36 | LingusMcGunny | Nice. |
| 00:44.36 | LingusMcGunny | I was wondering how they compare. |
| 00:44.45 | waawaamilk | just wish I could start it without having to build some hack involving starting and killing kdesktop :/ |
| 00:45.07 | LingusMcGunny | I'm looking for a new display manager. I used xdm3d for a long time, then for some reason, had problems with building it with modular-xorg-server and switched to wdm and then to gdm. I don't really like gdm though. |
| 00:45.16 | TBC_Ly0n | waawaamilk> Install gdm ;) |
| 00:45.21 | TBC_Ly0n | kdm, sorry :p |
| 00:45.35 | waawaamilk | I don't run kdm anymore, no need to... |
| 00:46.00 | wolsni | that comment was directed at LingusMcGunny |
| 00:46.06 | wolsni | or at least it should have been |
| 00:46.27 | waawaamilk | if this working means I need to install kdm, I'll probably just try some other screensaver |
| 00:46.29 | LingusMcGunny | If kdm is based on xdm, what's the advantages it has over xdm? |
| 00:47.06 | TBC_Ly0n | Dunno... |
| 00:47.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | It looks a lot nicer and has a GUI to configure it, xdm uses text files |
| 00:48.33 | SAS_Spidey01 | kdm is quite nice imho but xdm will usually do the job fine if you *know* how to set it up |
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| 00:52.27 | TBC_Ly0n | :'( My Xming crashed... :( |
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| 00:57.49 | ryanakca | Is it possible to change the meta key in konsole? |
| 00:58.30 | artistx | Do you know how to change the video display for your vidcard? |
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| 01:00.41 | TBC_Ly0n | artistx> did you try xvidtune ? |
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| 01:01.41 | TBC_Ly0n | (it does not work on my computer, but I use my linux box with Xming on a Windows's one :) |
| 01:01.44 | TBC_Ly0n | ) |
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| 01:02.16 | artistx | No I have not |
| 01:02.27 | artistx | I mean I was able to do it last time I logged on |
| 01:02.42 | artistx | But for some reason I can't now |
| 01:03.01 | TBC_Ly0n | IN the control center? |
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| 01:04.47 | TBC_Ly0n | Control center ==> Peripherals ==> Output (or something like that) |
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| 01:12.37 | me | hey all, --> small problem, i lst my windows decorations and i can't seem to get them back.. |
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| 01:13.54 | waawaamilk | me: start 'kwin' in a termina? |
| 01:14.11 | me | hmm i'll try that |
| 01:14.16 | me | thnks |
| 01:15.46 | ryanakca | how can one make meta return escape in konsole? |
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| 01:16.12 | snowbird | i have sound isue |
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| 01:17.22 | snowbird | ive got sound isue |
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| 01:20.03 | artistx | ARGH!!!! |
| 01:20.06 | artistx | WHERE IS IT!!! |
| 01:20.10 | artistx | I am running kubuntu |
| 01:20.32 | artistx | I am trying to find it in the system settings but I can't see it |
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| 01:20.51 | snowbird | sound card wont save settings |
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| 01:21.11 | stdin | artistx: system settings? KMenu > System Settings |
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| 01:21.31 | stdin | artistx: sorry, read that wrong |
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| 01:25.09 | snowbird | any clues |
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| 01:25.49 | lunitik | artistx: KControl is still around... just run it if you're more familiar with it... although System Settings is replacing it in KDE4 for "usability improvements"... |
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| 01:27.04 | lunitik | artistx: Also, System Settings has "Monitor & Display" which does what you want... unless I'm not following... |
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| 01:29.14 | lunitik | Usability "experts" need to lined up and shot. |
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| 01:34.48 | UnbreakableMJ | Hi all. My xkb in xorg.conf works in Gnome, but doesn't work in KDE. Anyone can give me a tip about it? |
| 01:35.08 | UnbreakableMJ | I mean switching the languages |
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| 01:43.15 | oneforall | hey with hal etc . Plugin the usb stick(one for the mem card for a phone) .Thewn the popup and pick open. now its mounted andf konq is open. how do you unmont it so its is unmounted before you unplug it ? is just closing down konq diong that ? |
| 01:43.50 | bluelightning | oneforall: go to media:/ and then right click on the device and select "Safely remove" |
| 01:44.18 | bluelightning | alternatively the "Devices" tab on the sidebar will take you to the same place |
| 01:45.00 | oneforall | hmm iirc when konq opened it saif system:/ |
| 01:45.48 | DaSkreech | lunitik: Hmm? |
| 01:46.14 | lunitik | DaSkreech: What? |
| 01:46.27 | oneforall | I think thats why the mem card is getting currupt cause my boy just closes konq (if even that) and unplugs it . Since I'm not sure how to do it with hal etc. I know he aint :D me mount /dev... /here and unmount or that nice icon on the desktop lol |
| 01:46.30 | DaSkreech | What usabilty? |
| 01:46.58 | UnbreakableMJ | Why doesn't KDE obey the XkbOptions in xorg.conf? |
| 01:47.01 | lunitik | DaSkreech: Crap like kde-system-settings vs kcontrol ... they're making things harder to find, and calling it usability. |
| 01:47.04 | oneforall | 1gb mem and I mounted it the good old way and did df -h and seen 1.9meg left O.o |
| 01:47.10 | lunitik | DaSkreech: I said that, follow along. |
| 01:47.32 | DaSkreech | lunitik: I just logged in :-P |
| 01:47.48 | DaSkreech | kd-system-settings is more difficult than Kcontrol? |
| 01:48.09 | oneforall | need that icon deal on the kicker . much easier to do it than this way O.o |
| 01:48.30 | lunitik | DaSkreech: It's a lot more idiotic... makes things harder to find... more difficult to browse around... etc |
| 01:48.49 | DaSkreech | lunitik: What would make it simpler? |
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| 01:50.30 | lunitik | DaSkreech: KControl is simple enough... all kcm modules on the left, and the kcm embedded on the right... now you have to click "go back" and look else where... you could search in both interfaces. |
| 01:50.46 | bluelightning | oneforall: right click on kicker, add applet and then select "storage media" |
| 01:50.50 | jsubl2 | how do i speed up cd ripping mp3 with konqueror |
| 01:51.51 | oneforall | bluelightning thanks and some one just said you can enable desktop icons too . will that do the same thing as its mounted you can have both to access? |
| 01:51.57 | lunitik | DaSkreech: kde-system-settings is a mess. Poorly thought out in almost every way. |
| 01:52.37 | DaSkreech | lunitik: would you prefer to improve kde-system-settings or go back to Kcontrol? |
| 01:53.00 | bluelightning | oneforall: yeah that's right |
| 01:53.05 | oneforall | thanks |
| 01:53.16 | lunitik | So long as they keep the Settings applet though, I don't really care... I just get rid of the System Settings entry on the KMenu so I'm not tempted to annoy myself by trying to use it. |
| 01:53.51 | bluelightning | actually that storage media applet is kinda cool, I think I'll leave it enabled :) |
| 01:53.53 | DaSkreech | lunitik: far as I know Kcontrol is not going to be there in KDE4 |
| 01:54.29 | lunitik | DaSkreech: I said the Settings applet.... similarly, it just lists all the kcm modules... |
| 01:54.38 | DaSkreech | Ah right |
| 01:54.40 | DaSkreech | sorry |
| 01:54.44 | DaSkreech | haven't slept in a bit |
| 01:54.46 | lunitik | System Settings is truly crap... if I'm forced to use that, I will surely go insane. |
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| 01:55.45 | MilesMi | it this system settings part of kde3? |
| 01:55.57 | bluelightning | lunitik: I think the KDE 4 version is being or has been improved over the current one |
| 01:56.05 | DaSkreech | System settings line up your complaints in a bullet list and post it to the authours |
| 01:56.24 | lunitik | bluelightning: Hardly, it's just been made a little more attractive... it's still crap. |
| 01:56.57 | lunitik | MilesMi: Part of Kubuntu... yes... this came up because someone else was complaining about it.... |
| 01:57.07 | bluelightning | hmm, well, I so rarely need to change anything in there... I don't understand why people get so worked up about it (or kcontrol for that matter) |
| 01:57.08 | lunitik | As everyone will, because it is poorly designed. |
| 01:57.39 | MilesMi | lunitik: I like kcontrol, and I'm trying to see what system settings is and why the fuss... |
| 01:58.12 | lunitik | bluelightning: I don't change that much either, but using KControl, I get a new install of KDE exactly how I want it within 5 mins... with System Settings, it takes a lot longer because of the poor navigation. |
| 01:58.14 | MilesMi | I use fedora... |
| 01:58.36 | lunitik | MilesMi: Fedora's KDE is lacking, to say the least.... |
| 01:58.48 | lunitik | MilesMi: I don't think they have kde-system-settings around though. |
| 01:58.51 | MilesMi | lunitik: I use kde-redhat.sf.net... |
| 01:59.26 | MilesMi | i found some screenshots of this system settings... yeah, seems like it sucks... |
| 01:59.46 | MilesMi | it looks a lot like gnome's preferences... |
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| 02:00.00 | lunitik | MilesMi: Umm, ok? As far as I know, that ceased to exist since Fedora 7 was released, as the guy who started that site has become part of Fedora.... It's still crap compared to Kubuntu or SUSE |
| 02:00.03 | DaSkreech | lunitik: same concept as leaving a website because it only supports IE or a business who makes choices that block Open Source software |
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| 02:00.41 | DaSkreech | Leave but let them know exactly why. The possibilty is that they may redeem themselves by redesigning it fundamentally to accomodate your audience |
| 02:00.47 | lunitik | DaSkreech: Not really... not at all. It's a regression that I'm mad about... that's all. |
| 02:01.00 | MilesMi | lunitik: kde-redhat still exists, even for Fedora 7... and it is a lot better than the standard fedora packages |
| 02:01.28 | snowbird | sound isue |
| 02:01.30 | DaSkreech | lunitik: how is not the same? :-) |
| 02:01.35 | lunitik | MilesMi: Umm, I'd be willing to bet it has the exact same packages... as the exact same person maintains both. |
| 02:02.01 | lunitik | DaSkreech: bugs.kde.org knows about it? |
| 02:03.04 | DaSkreech | lunitik: Your particular bullet list? |
| 02:03.12 | lunitik | DaSkreech: Every issue I have with System Settings, there is a bug report about it |
| 02:03.40 | DaSkreech | lunitik: Ha ha done some research i see |
| 02:03.47 | DaSkreech | ok that's good enough :) |
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| 02:36.36 | iamben | if my user doesnt have full read/write access to the device node for a usb storage device, the "safely remove" option in konqueror tells me "device was unmounted but could not be ejected" |
| 02:36.46 | iamben | can anyone else confirm/disconfirm this issue? |
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| 02:37.19 | wescotte | In KDE when you use your scroll wheel and the mouse cursor is positioned over the taskbar it suddenly goes from verticle scrolling to switching between tasks.. is there a way to disable that? |
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| 03:03.47 | root | My box froze (gasp!) while running a PSX emulator. When I rebooted, I found I cna't log into KDE with my normal user. I can with root. When starting KDE as the normal user, The splash screen hangs at the first icon "Starting Intraprocess communication". ANyone know what I have to do? |
| 03:04.33 | zerojay | No one ever told you not to IRC as root, eh? |
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| 03:05.23 | root | Gee. I would have preferred a useful hint on how to fix my problem. But smartass comments are always nice too. |
| 03:05.43 | timrs | why shouldn't u irc as root? |
| 03:05.45 | zerojay | Not a smartass comment at all. |
| 03:06.10 | root | I would already be done if you could just tell me what temp file is preventing KDE from starting with a given user during step 1. |
| 03:06.24 | root | Unfortuneately, this is something I don't know. |
| 03:06.30 | zerojay | Me either, sir. |
| 03:07.06 | root | timrs: You shouldn't run ANYHTING as root that has inet connectivity. If the app has a security hole and someone gets control of it, then they have root. |
| 03:07.23 | root | timrs: plus you look stupid with root as your handle |
| 03:07.32 | timrs | lol |
| 03:07.42 | timrs | you can just change ur root handle |
| 03:07.46 | zerojay | A lot of IRC servers ban root as a nick as well. |
| 03:07.48 | root | timrs: yeah, but I don't care |
| 03:07.57 | root | timrs: I jsut want to fix this |
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| 03:08.30 | root | My box froze (gasp!) while running a PSX emulator. When I rebooted, I found I cna't log into KDE with my normal user. I can with root. When starting KDE as the normal user, The splash screen hangs at the first icon "Starting Intraprocess communication". ANyone know what I have to do? |
| 03:08.44 | root | Anyone know where the dbus or kde temp files are? |
| 03:08.54 | timrs | well, start restarting or chown the user's directory |
| 03:09.39 | zerojay | I'm not an expert, but intraprocess stuff... you might have a stale dcopserver process still running from that session. |
| 03:09.48 | root | zerojay: I rebooted |
| 03:10.08 | root | zerojay: But there may be a pid file for dcopserver somewhere I need to erase |
| 03:10.41 | zerojay | There's a few .DCOPserver_* files in ~/ |
| 03:10.55 | zerojay | Try moving them/renaming them and try again. |
| 03:11.03 | root | good idea, thanks |
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| 03:14.56 | wescotte | root: check /tmp there is a bunch of KDE stuff there.. It's possible those are the apps opened when ya ended your session |
| 03:14.57 | zerojay | It's odd that your irc client has username set to n=[username] like that. |
| 03:15.14 | wescotte | In KDE when you use your scroll wheel and the mouse cursor is positioned over the taskbar it suddenly goes from verticle scrolling to switching between tasks.. is there a way to disable that? |
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| 03:26.30 | timrs | oblivion is a fun game. can i play u? |
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| 03:32.05 | Oblivion | Game Over? =) |
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| 03:46.01 | thechris | with konversation, can I make a filter to converts CAPS to lowercase automatically? |
| 03:46.14 | Sho_ | hm, http://kdenlive.org/ is starting to look interesting |
| 03:46.40 | Sho_ | thechris: theoretically yes |
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| 03:47.08 | thechris | wait a sec, i made a filter to call anyone using all caps "lamer". i have to turn it off. |
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| 03:47.14 | timrs | hey, could i use kdenlive to make an ogg video of several gifs put together? |
| 03:47.49 | Sho_ | dunno, haven't tried it yet. just saw the new version pop up at kde-apps. |
| 03:48.00 | thechris | Sho_: what did you say again? |
| 03:48.03 | Sho_ | the turn-still-images-into-ogg-theora I'd probably try with mencoder |
| 03:48.29 | Sho_ | thechris: I said that it's theoretically possible, but probably not very elegant |
| 03:49.01 | thechris | ah, the regex just got the first word... which made things kinda ugly |
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| 04:08.22 | warriorness | Is there any way to use dcop to focus a certain window (namely, the one under the cursor)? |
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| 04:09.48 | zouzou85 | hi guys |
| 04:09.54 | zouzou85 | a quick question |
| 04:10.03 | Sho_ | warriorness: you could hack something together like that, but it's not as easy as one call, no |
| 04:10.37 | zouzou85 | where can i find the little kDE icon in konqueror(top-right)? |
| 04:10.45 | warriorness | Sho_: all right, well, this whole thing is pretty hack-y already, so... |
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| 04:12.16 | warriorness | ...how would I go about it? |
| 04:12.42 | Sho_ | warriorness: You could use http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ or http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32107 to do the focussing and get the cursor position, but you'd have to walk over the window list and z-order and calculate the affected window yourself I think |
| 04:13.05 | warriorness | "z-order"? |
| 04:14.00 | Sho_ | warriorness: the position of the windows on the z-axis |
| 04:14.07 | warriorness | right, okay |
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| 04:14.59 | warriorness | hmm, it might be simpler to: instead of focusing the window under the mouse cursor, focus the one highest on the "stack" (i.e. z-axis) |
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| 04:15.12 | warriorness | would that be considerably simpler? |
| 04:15.29 | Sho_ | it's possible that kwin Windows getCurWinId() in Lubos' DCOP patchset returns the winid of the topmost window at the cursor position, that would make it fairly simple. But it might just return the id of the focussed window. I don't have the set installed atm. |
| 04:16.54 | Sho_ | most likely it returns the active window, though (rather than the window at cur pos) |
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| 04:19.23 | warriorness | perhaps it would be easier if I explain what I'm trying to do |
| 04:20.14 | warriorness | I intstalled "switchscreen", a tool for switching which screen is active in a non-xinerama dual-head setup without using the mouse |
| 04:20.29 | warriorness | and am improving the script that came with it... |
| 04:21.06 | warriorness | When I use it now, it switches the screen focus fine, but the window that used to be active on that screen is not focused |
| 04:21.07 | Sho_ | warriorness: fwiw, you can get that as a kwin patch by the kwin author, too |
| 04:21.25 | warriorness | Sho_: what, the switchscreen functionality? |
| 04:21.34 | Sho_ | warriorness: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/3.5.x+Xinerama+improvements?content=40586 implements a keyboard shortcut to switch the active Xinerama screen, among other Xinerama improvements |
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| 04:21.39 | Sho_ | some distros apply it by default |
| 04:21.46 | warriorness | I'm not using xinerama though |
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| 04:22.12 | Sho_ | It would be in KDE 3.5.x itself if I hadn't failed at explaining Lubos that string freeze was actually lifted ... |
| 04:22.24 | Sho_ | oh, I overread the "non-" |
| 04:22.42 | Sho_ | sorry, it's 6:30 and I haven't actually slept yet ;) |
| 04:22.53 | warriorness | okay, well... |
| 04:23.22 | warriorness | Now, if I use switchscreen to switch the focus, then hit alt+tab, it will focus the most recently active window on that screen |
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| 04:23.56 | Sho_ | warriorness: you could just record the active window's window id prior to switching the screen, and raise that winid after switching back, in the script |
| 04:24.11 | Sho_ | warriorness: except for cases where that window disappears while you're off-screen, that would work |
| 04:24.17 | warriorness | would there be a way to send kwin the alt+tab command automatically? |
| 04:24.29 | warriorness | I think if I could do that, it would be easiest |
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| 04:24.56 | Sho_ | warriorness: you could use xvkbd to send the alt+tab keyboard events |
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| 04:26.54 | Sho_ | LC_ALL=C xvkbd -xsendevent -text "\[Alt_L]\[Tab]" |
| 04:27.11 | warriorness | What's the LC_ALL part for? |
| 04:27.27 | Sho_ | xvkbd tends to take ages to start up in an UTF-8 locale |
| 04:27.55 | Sho_ | which you don't need to send alt-tab ;) |
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| 04:28.19 | XMetal | how i upgrade my kde from 3.5.5 for 3.5.7? |
| 04:28.20 | XMetal | on gentoo |
| 04:28.27 | Sho_ | ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 04:29.08 | XMetal | ty |
| 04:29.20 | Sho_ | (they're better equipped to handle it presumably) |
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| 04:29.25 | warriorness | Sho_: http://rafb.net/p/5eHM3W95.html |
| 04:29.31 | warriorness | that's what I get when I run your command |
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| 04:30.27 | Sho_ | warriorness: it was written together from memory ... time for you to give the homepage or manpage a try ;) |
| 04:30.36 | warriorness | XMetal: kde 3.5.7 is ~arch on gentoo, you will need to either specify all the kde ebuilds ~arch in /etc/portage/package.keywords, or you could (not recommended) make your whole system ~arch in make.conf |
| 04:30.43 | warriorness | Sho_: okay |
| 04:33.02 | zouzou85 | where can i find the little kDE icon in konqueror(top-right)? |
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| 04:36.36 | Sho_ | zouzou85: $KDEDIRS/share/icons/<iconset>/<size>/actions/kde.png |
| 04:37.39 | Sho_ | zouzou85: On your distro that's likely to be e.g. /usr/kde/3.5/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/actions/kde.png |
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| 04:39.40 | warriorness | Sho_: the manpage links to http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/events.html but I don't really understand it... it seems I could use XLookupKeysym() to determine the keysym for alt+tab, but how would I call that function? |
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| 04:42.25 | Anonycat | Does KWrite have a setting tucked a way that gives it a tabbed interface? |
| 04:43.25 | Sho_ | Anonycat: No, but Kate has one |
| 04:43.28 | timrs | no, kate does |
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| 04:44.05 | warriorness | whoa, I think I got it -- Sho_, "xvkbd -text" instead of "xvkbd -sendevent -text" |
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| 04:44.16 | warriorness | although it still gives me that output |
| 04:44.20 | warriorness | it does change the window focus |
| 04:44.41 | Sho_ | warriorness: -sendevent is wrong anyway ... I did write -xsendevent :-P |
| 04:44.52 | warriorness | gah, I meant to type xsendevent |
| 04:44.59 | warriorness | point is, the option shouldn't be there |
| 04:45.30 | warriorness | any idea what the error output is though? http://rafb.net/p/4BLuiq67.html |
| 04:45.49 | Sho_ | warriorness: It does work here with -xsendevent ... I use xbindkeys+xvkbd to program my mouse |
| 04:46.58 | warriorness | hm |
| 04:47.15 | warriorness | xvkbd -text "\A\t" <--- is the command I use |
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| 04:48.07 | warriorness | are you getting that error output? |
| 04:49.33 | Sho_ | warriorness: no |
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| 04:52.11 | warriorness | Sho_: what command are you running? |
| 04:53.09 | Sho_ | warriorness: the one I gave you |
| 04:53.52 | warriorness | hm, /me installs xbindkeys |
| 04:54.54 | Sho_ | well xbindkeys is a program that allows binding commands to (mouse) button events |
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| 04:55.09 | Sho_ | I use xbindkeys to run xvkbd in response to mouse button presses |
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| 04:56.19 | warriorness | well, I can't understand why it doesn't work |
| 04:56.51 | warriorness | and also, appending "xvkbd -text "\A\t" doesn't seem to work in my script |
| 04:56.56 | Sho_ | sorry, I tend to only become an expert in tools when they break for me, too. xvkbd has always worked ;) |
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| 04:58.46 | warriorness | well, why might it work when run from commandline, but not work when run from keybinding |
| 04:59.05 | warriorness | ooh -- it works when run from the k menu |
| 04:59.28 | warriorness | the script, that is |
| 05:00.07 | warriorness | oh! I get it -- because I've already got some modifier keys pressed :) |
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| 05:01.13 | warriorness | Sho_: Do you know how I could invalidate the keys already being pressed? |
| 05:01.14 | Sho_ | tell me again why using Xinerama wouldn't be easier? ;) |
| 05:01.20 | warriorness | Sho_: fglrx |
| 05:01.28 | Sho_ | ah |
| 05:01.39 | warriorness | besides, I want to get this hack working, even if just for experience |
| 05:02.25 | zouzou85 | where can i find the little kDE icon in konqueror(top-right)? |
| 05:02.50 | Sho_ | zouzou85: I answered your question, scroll up |
| 05:06.07 | warriorness | hmmm... |
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| 05:06.26 | warriorness | I send the alt+tab keystroke fine, but I've got other modifier keys being pressed at the same time |
| 05:06.30 | warriorness | what a nasty error :( |
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| 05:11.22 | Bung | anyone know if theres a # for k3b help |
| 05:12.02 | Sho_ | Bung: No dedicated one afaik, but asking here would be appropriate too |
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| 05:13.23 | Bung | ok Sho_, thanks |
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| 05:13.36 | Bung | just have a bit of a strange on, k3b has started to eject after exactly 50% |
| 05:13.45 | Bung | happened with two seperate burns so far |
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| 05:14.18 | Sho_ | Bung: Maybe you have "Verify written data" checked? In that case writing would be done at 50%, then it would eject and pull back in, and then verify the burned disc |
| 05:14.33 | Bung | ah interesting |
| 05:14.38 | Bung | ill check |
| 05:15.10 | Bung | yep looks like it |
| 05:15.11 | Bung | cheers |
| 05:15.39 | Sho_ | yw |
| 05:16.23 | Sho_ | Apparently the eject cycle is necessary to reset the drive in some way |
| 05:16.44 | Sho_ | I know Sebastian tried to eliminate that eject at some point, but it didn't work out due to Linux driver issues or somesuch |
| 05:17.10 | Sho_ | 'Reverted to old behaviour of reloading medium before verification. Not enough testing had been done before introducing this and some systems fail to read the medium before reload (Bugs 147297, 147328, 147420, 147698).' to cite the changelog |
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| 05:21.42 | warriorness | Sho_: d'you think maybe there's a way to send the "walk through windows" (aka alt-tab) event directly to kwin, maybe through dcop, without the xvkbd mess? |
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| 05:22.35 | Sho_ | warriorness: it would be fairly easy to modify the kwin codebase to add DCOP call for that, I suppose |
| 05:23.36 | warriorness | er |
| 05:24.32 | warriorness | does it come with that dcop patchset you mentioned, or would I have to do it myself? |
| 05:24.58 | Sho_ | warriorness: You'd have to do it yourself; the patchset does not have DCOP calls to actuate the tabbox |
| 05:25.28 | warriorness | well, I don't want the tabbox - you know how if you press alttab quickly enough the tabbox window doesn't appear |
| 05:25.39 | warriorness | or did you mean it doesn't have the dcop call that I want |
| 05:26.27 | Sho_ | warriorness: It doesn't have a DCOP call that corresponds to "raise next window in focus chain" |
| 05:26.37 | warriorness | okay... |
| 05:27.12 | warriorness | and - correct me if I am wrong - dcop would be the only/best way to send the request to kwin? |
| 05:29.13 | Sho_ | warriorness: It would be the easiest way to add an interface to trigger the action to the application that I can think of |
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| 05:30.35 | marcusU | When I do middle-button click in Konqueror, I now get a set of strange arrows (left, right, up, down), and it often makes middle-button pasting look odd. How do I disable these strange arrows? (And what are they for anyway?) |
| 05:30.42 | marcusU | This seems to be a recent change. |
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| 05:31.03 | Sho_ | marcusU: Looks like your distribution applied the auto-scroll patchset (my guess would be SuSE) |
| 05:31.07 | warriorness | marcusU: that seems to be the middle-click-autoscroll feature |
| 05:31.20 | marcusU | I compiled KDE from source |
| 05:31.47 | marcusU | How do I disable it>? |
| 05:33.13 | warriorness | man |
| 05:33.21 | warriorness | I have no idea where to start with this dcop adding stuff |
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| 05:34.13 | marcusU | It does not seem to be a huge problem except that in some text-edit areas in Konqueror, the middle-button paste gives me a paste plus the arrows. |
| 05:34.18 | Sho_ | marcusU: You could check the "Middle click opens URL in selection" checkbox on the "Web Behavior" page of the Konqueror settings dialog, that should override the autoscroll implementation |
| 05:36.47 | marcusU | Sho_: That seems to fix it. Checking that option does not seem like a very intuitive way to cure the problem, though. |
| 05:37.27 | Sho_ | marcusU: Because it's not written from the perspective that it's "curing a problem". Ever seen a "Fix problem" checkbox in an app? I haven't ;) |
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| 05:38.06 | Sho_ | marcusU: The autoscroll implementation (which is important because Internet Explorer switchers expect it to bethere) assumes that it's active unless there's a reason not to be; that checkbox provides one |
| 05:38.37 | marcusU | But it interferes with pasting |
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| 05:39.24 | marcusU | And I really do not want the middle button to open a URL in selection anyawy. |
| 05:40.12 | marcusU | I just do not want the middle-button autoscroll disabled. (And I don't really see how to use that anyway.) |
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| 05:41.21 | canllaith | marcusU, long time since I saw you on here |
| 05:41.22 | Sho_ | marcusU: It scrolls in the direction you move the cursor in, using the location of the autoscroll graphic as a pivot, and scrolls progressively faster the further the cursor is away from the graphic |
| 05:41.38 | marcusU | canllaith: Hey. |
| 05:42.03 | marcusU | Sho_: That behavior seems incompatible with middle-button paste in certain situations. |
| 05:42.14 | Sho_ | marcusU: Yeah, I can reproduce that. Badly done, I guess |
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| 05:43.01 | Sho_ | marcusU: It probably shouldn't engage autoscroll if the click occurs above a form element, but the implementation likely doesn't have access to KHTML's object render tree |
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| 05:43.38 | Sho_ | Also, the graphic is butt-ugly and doesn't have a properly done alpha channel :) |
| 05:45.10 | marcusU | I was just surprised and confused when I was filling in a bug report (unrelated project), and I tried to middle-button paste and got the paste but also the funky arrows. |
| 05:45.52 | Sho_ | marcusU: Firefox offers the feature on windows but disables it on Linux by default, iirc, probably for the same reason |
| 05:48.48 | marcusU | I would prefer a three-way options... middle click activatives scrolling, middle opens URL, middle click pastes (unless pasting does not make sense for what's under the pointer). |
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| 05:50.18 | frogonwheels | hey, anybody having issues with kdesktop ?? I can't click on ANYTHING on the desktop. |
| 05:50.42 | frogonwheels | the desktop goes black for a bit, then redraws - nothing happens. |
| 05:51.01 | frogonwheels | right-click, left-click, middle-click - all does the same nothing. |
| 05:51.08 | Sho_ | There's a hidden config file option not to show the graphic, but it doesn't disable autoscroll |
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| 05:51.53 | marcusU | maybe I should just get a four-button mouse. :-( |
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| 05:53.44 | frogonwheels | Sho_: is there a hidden option that prevents kdesktop from working ;) ?? |
| 05:54.06 | warriorness | [X] Make kdesktop not work properly |
| 05:54.08 | warriorness | uncheck that |
| 05:54.08 | marcusU | frogonwheels: Did you try a fresh user account with no .kde? |
| 05:54.21 | frogonwheels | yep |
| 05:54.24 | Sho_ | frogonwheels: not that I know of ;) |
| 05:54.35 | marcusU | Options phrased in the negative can be confusing, though, warriorness |
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| 05:55.20 | warriorness | marcusU: [X] Don't abstain from preventing kdesktop from not failing to work |
| 05:55.26 | frogonwheels | lol |
| 05:55.27 | Sho_ | marcusU: Well the implementor of an option that breaks the app would presumably not care too much about its usability ;) |
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| 05:57.25 | frogonwheels | something also broke katapult about the same time.. |
| 05:57.33 | frogonwheels | I'm kinda thinking it is related. |
| 05:58.00 | frogonwheels | I don't use the desktop much, but am starting to feel the lack of katapult. |
| 05:58.51 | marcusU | I don't quite understand what it is supposed to do, frogonwheels |
| 05:59.20 | warriorness | grrrr this is difficult |
| 05:59.32 | Sho_ | It's a Quicksilver clone. Type-ahead launcher with pluggable dataset provider backends. |
| 05:59.34 | frogonwheels | marcusU: Obviously the question about an option was being silly, marcusU |
| 05:59.40 | frogonwheels | did you see my real problem. |
| 06:00.03 | frogonwheels | .. about kdesktop not working at all. |
| 06:00.13 | marcusU | Sho_: Okay. I just don't see how to use it or what it is supposed to do. |
| 06:00.14 | frogonwheels | except for drawing properly |
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| 06:00.48 | Sho_ | marcusU: It responds to a hotkey, after which you can type away, and it will display a match you can then chose to activate |
| 06:00.59 | frogonwheels | oh katapult. |
| 06:01.01 | Sho_ | marcusU: e.g. an application, or a song in your Amarok music db; the dataset providers are pluggable |
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| 06:01.08 | frogonwheels | katapult just crashes for me at the moment. |
| 06:01.17 | Sho_ | marcusU: KDE4 will have something similar-but-better called KRunner |
| 06:01.32 | frogonwheels | but it is probably related to the fact that the desktop crashes. |
| 06:01.35 | Sho_ | marcusU: Think of it as the "Run Command" dialog on steroids |
| 06:01.49 | frogonwheels | you can also do sums on it :) |
| 06:01.59 | frogonwheels | <hotkey>3+20= |
| 06:02.00 | frogonwheels | etc |
| 06:02.04 | Sho_ | frogonwheels: ... the Run Command dialog can do that too |
| 06:02.05 | marcusU | Oh. I think my current binding of ALT+Space for something else might interfere with it. |
| 06:02.59 | frogonwheels | Sho_: ah.. didn't know that. anyway - it's better than the run dialog |
| 06:03.15 | warriorness | kwin should have the alt+tab feature as a dcop call by default |
| 06:03.21 | warriorness | i am not good programmer :( |
| 06:03.21 | frogonwheels | but still .. why would the desktop be broken!!!!! |
| 06:03.50 | marcusU | I do wish that there were some kind of global registry of keyboard shortcuts so that different applications didn't trample on those of others. |
| 06:04.16 | Sho_ | marcusU: There actually is, but it has some pitfalls in the KDE 3 implementation |
| 06:04.39 | Sho_ | marcusU: But generally KDE 3 is also capable of warning/querying you if you're about to overload a global shortcut |
| 06:04.49 | Sho_ | marcusU: But the KDE 4 version does it a little better and covers more bases. |
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| 06:06.18 | marcusU | For example, I had already made ALT+Space shade/unshade a window, and I had never heard of katapult. So then I run katapult for the first time, which also seems to use Alt+SPACE. |
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| 06:06.48 | el_isma | Hi. I'm trying to set up kdm. I have defined several ServerLayouts in xorg.conf and I wish to choose which one to use from kdm. Is that possible? |
| 06:07.26 | Sho_ | marcusU: Yeah. Currently, duplicate checking is done in the standard shortcuts configuration dialog when you're setting a shortcut, i.e. not for the pre-defined shortcut Katapult ships with |
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| 06:07.53 | Sho_ | check out $KDEDIRS/share/config/kdm ... the config files are solidly commented |
| 06:08.00 | Sho_ | el_isma: ^ |
| 06:08.30 | Sho_ | also, http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kdm/ |
| 06:08.44 | el_isma | Sho_: I read one manual that talked about kdmrc, but I couldn't find anything relevant there |
| 06:08.48 | el_isma | I'll check that URL |
| 06:09.12 | el_isma | that's what I read |
| 06:09.26 | Sho_ | el_isma: There's a couple of files next to kdmrc in the same dir it's in |
| 06:09.46 | el_isma | yes |
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| 06:11.56 | el_isma | Sho_: I couldn't find anything related to xorg.conf's ServerLayout. Where should I be looking? |
| 06:12.23 | Sho_ | el_isma: To clarify: I don't know the answer to your question; I was hoping the comments in those files would provide it |
| 06:12.36 | el_isma | Sho_: Ok, Thanks! |
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| 06:25.34 | killown|away | how do i to start wizard kde? |
| 06:25.40 | Lynoure | hi, is it possible to get konsole to use ttf fonts and if, how? |
| 06:25.58 | Sho_ | Lynoure: You can install TTF fonts using the Font Installer in KControl |
| 06:26.07 | Sho_ | killown|away: "wizard kde"? |
| 06:26.31 | el_isma | How do I startx a kdm? |
| 06:26.35 | killown|away | yes |
| 06:26.39 | killown|away | Sho_, |
| 06:26.55 | Sho_ | killown|away: I don't know what you mean by "wizard kde" |
| 06:27.15 | Lynoure | Sho_: I have fonts installed, they just don't show in konsole font selection... |
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| 06:27.31 | Sho_ | Lynoure: Konsole only supports fixed-width (aka monospace) fonts |
| 06:27.34 | killown|away | show_ when I have start kde for the fisrt time it show one pre configuration of all system |
| 06:27.48 | Sho_ | killown|away: Ah. Run "kpersonalizer" from "Run Command |
| 06:27.56 | Sho_ | Lynoure: Those however can be TrueType |
| 06:28.11 | killown|away | Sho_, thanks |
| 06:28.56 | Lynoure | Sho_: The thing is, I have more monospace fonts it shows |
| 06:29.58 | Sho_ | Lynoure: Well, Konsole is not involved in computing that font list. It uses the standard KDE font selection dialog in the standard method to request a list of monospace fonts |
| 06:30.35 | Lynoure | Sho_: is there some way of tagging fonts as monospace I might need to do? |
| 06:30.37 | Sho_ | Lynoure: My guess would be some sort of fontconfig setup/config problem on your system/distro, then |
| 06:30.52 | Sho_ | Lynoure: No, that should happen automatically |
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| 06:32.09 | Lynoure | Sho_: ok. I'll give the ubuntu people a kick, then. Thanks |
| 06:32.29 | Sho_ | Lynoure: It might help to run "fc-cache" to regenerate the font info cache dirs, and then restart Konsole |
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| 06:38.06 | chovy_ | how do i empty trash in kde? |
| 06:38.26 | Sho_ | Right-click it and chose "Empty Trash" |
| 06:38.43 | chovy_ | Sho_: right-click where? |
| 06:39.05 | Sho_ | The desktop icon, or the empty area in a file manager window showing the trash contents |
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| 06:39.21 | chovy_ | I don't have a Trash can |
| 06:39.39 | Sho_ | Then open "trash:/" in the Konqueror address bar |
| 06:39.51 | Sho_ | or chose "Trash" in the "Go" menu |
| 06:40.43 | chovy_ | how do i get it to show as folder on Desktop? |
| 06:41.13 | Sho_ | Right-click the desktop surface, chose New -> Link to Location and use "trash:/" as the target address |
| 06:42.06 | chovy_ | thanks :) |
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| 08:26.38 | luislo | hi, somebody can help me please?, how can I run a list of commands at KDE login? |
| 08:27.03 | stdin | luislo: put them in a script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 08:27.28 | luislo | how do I construct this script? |
| 08:29.02 | luislo | I mean, does it need a specific extension? |
| 08:29.07 | luislo | please help stdin |
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| 08:30.42 | pag | luislo, http://rafb.net/p/idJRMD52.html see the example |
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| 08:31.43 | luislo | thanks pag, i got that, but... does it need a specific extension? or executable mode? |
| 08:32.05 | pag | luislo, then save the file with any name you wish (some prefer to have .sh extension, but it's not mandatory) gratn to it exec rights ( chmod +x file ) and move / link it to the directory you were given |
| 08:33.30 | luislo | ok, can I just create it directly in the Autostart directory so I don't need to move/link it there? |
| 08:33.44 | pag | yes, sure :) |
| 08:34.01 | luislo | thanks a lot, just a final q: do I need to do this as root? |
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| 08:34.22 | pag | luislo, no |
| 08:34.53 | pag | luislo, if you want to run root scripts, then the instructions are different |
| 08:35.26 | luislo | ok, but no, that's not what I want... |
| 08:35.28 | luislo | thanks! |
| 08:35.48 | pag | np :) |
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| 08:37.04 | luislo | ok, I'll restart to see what happens |
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| 08:39.28 | luislo | pag, it just executed the first command in the list :S |
| 08:39.35 | luislo | but not the second one :S |
| 08:40.33 | luislo | hello? |
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| 08:41.15 | luislo | do I have to put "&" or something like that between commands? |
| 08:41.18 | luislo | please help |
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| 08:42.00 | HighNo | hi there, anybody interested in a short software test? Needed things: fun, 20 minutes, bluetooth device and mobile phone (just for bluetooth communication) |
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| 08:43.09 | luislo | please help... |
| 08:43.41 | stdin | luislo: no, just new lines |
| 08:43.54 | stdin | luislo: the "&" will background the process |
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| 08:44.24 | luislo | ok, but then as I said, it does not run all the lines |
| 08:44.31 | luislo | just the first one... any ideas? |
| 08:45.05 | stdin | luislo: what is the 1st command? |
| 08:45.07 | qupada | HighNo: that leaves far too many variables. bluez versions, kdebluetooth (if installed) version, bluetooth adapter manufacturer, kernel version |
| 08:45.37 | luislo | beryl --use-copy |
| 08:45.51 | luislo | and the second is "beryl-manager --no-force-window-manager" |
| 08:46.19 | stdin | luislo: then you will want a "&" after that, as you want the next command to run before the 1st one exits |
| 08:46.54 | luislo | ok, then what else do I need? a "&" after which command? |
| 08:47.36 | stdin | luislo: after every command that you don't want to wait to exit before the next command is run |
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| 08:48.04 | luislo | stdin: ok, thanks a lot, I'll try that now... |
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| 08:49.50 | HighNo | qupada: true - but it should mainly be independent of the exact versions. It should in every way be independant of the used adapter. |
| 08:49.53 | luislo | stdin and pag, thanks a lot |
| 08:49.58 | luislo | that worked really nice! |
| 08:50.02 | stdin | :) |
| 08:50.39 | HighNo | qupada: It relys only on bluez and bluez-utils and python |
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| 08:51.12 | qupada | HighNo: sure a few versions either side, maybe not so far for kdebluetooth but definately bluez/kernel. as for independent of adapter, i take it you've never talked to someone who has used a broadcom bluetooth adapter |
| 08:53.17 | HighNo | qupada: that's true. The software uses hcitool and rfcomm - is that a problem with broadcom devices? |
| 08:54.11 | qupada | mostly audio stuff. anyway that's irrelevant. so what does this app do? |
| 08:55.01 | HighNo | qupada: I don't want to test the whole bluetooth installation - I take these tools to be working. It is a tool that tries to detect your presence near your computer - if you leave it automatically locks your computer and if you come back, it unlocks it. |
| 08:55.16 | HighNo | qupada: http://blueproximity.sourceforge.net |
| 08:55.59 | qupada | i wrote something that did just that in shellscript |
| 08:58.14 | HighNo | qupada: I wanted to learn some python and glade programming, so I took this project. I am quite happy how it performs for me and put some extra effort in making a clean gui (gtk+) and some documentation for it - now I want to see if somebody else wants to use it - but it should work on a broad base of installations so thats why I ask for a KDE test. |
| 08:58.20 | qupada | you do know kdebluetooth 1.0 beta3 and newer come with this functionality, right |
| 08:58.25 | qupada | comes* |
| 08:58.34 | HighNo | doh! |
| 08:58.44 | HighNo | ehm, no :-/ |
| 08:58.45 | qupada | haven't tested it, but i did notice it was there |
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| 08:59.24 | HighNo | I got the idea last year talking to my students so now I just picked it up again |
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| 09:00.11 | HighNo | But at least it shows that the idea isn't bad :-) |
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| 09:00.31 | qupada | must have been about a year ago i was playing with the idea too |
| 09:00.38 | qupada | spawned from a discussion in #gentoo-amd64 |
| 09:01.25 | frogonwheels | hey there qupada |
| 09:01.34 | HighNo | qupada: I see that my version is somewhat supperior to the kde solution |
| 09:01.48 | qupada | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Bluetooth_Proximity_Monitor the second one of the two scripts on that page is mine, i started out trying to adapt the one above it to work with kde, but ended up writing from scratch |
| 09:01.53 | qupada | hey frogonwheels. long time no see |
| 09:02.08 | qupada | HighNo: yeah, but you can always help make the kde code better :D |
| 09:02.29 | frogonwheels | qupada: yeah - given up on the initng - was too much work. |
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| 09:03.06 | frogonwheels | anybody being having problems with kdesktop? |
| 09:03.06 | HighNo | qupada: all that kde does is a discovery - I do open a connection and keep track of rssi, it drains the battery a little more but gives pretty accurate results, you can set the distance from where the computer will be locked and another where it will be unlocked again |
| 09:03.07 | qupada | frogonwheels: yeah, i haven't been paying it much attention either. i have a tech job now so i see enough code during the day to want to deal with it at night too |
| 09:03.12 | frogonwheels | mine, she broke bad. |
| 09:03.30 | frogonwheels | qupada: assume the move went ok? |
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| 09:05.37 | canllaith | hey qupada |
| 09:06.13 | qupada | hey canllaith |
| 09:06.16 | frogonwheels | nobody? |
| 09:06.18 | qupada | what's up? |
| 09:06.52 | frogonwheels | on my kdesktop, it all looks ok - but It doesn't work when you click on anything! |
| 09:07.23 | qupada | are you sure some bastard hasn't taken a screenshot, set it as your wallpaper then hidden all your icons? |
| 09:08.04 | frogonwheels | ... the hover works though |
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| 09:08.28 | frogonwheels | - otherwise that would have been plausible. |
| 09:08.42 | frogonwheels | I just checked, and if I open the desktop in Konqueror, I can run the apps. |
| 09:09.19 | frogonwheels | right-click, left-click, middle-click - all just make the dektop (only on the 1 screen) go black for a bit |
| 09:09.42 | frogonwheels | oh - actually, I lie - it's black on both screens. |
| 09:09.55 | frogonwheels | - maybe it is restarting itself? |
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| 09:11.32 | HighNo | qupada: thanks for the gentoo-link, this shows exactly my ideas - I just gave it a gui :-) I put a note on it and added some notes on screenlocking... |
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| 09:13.19 | qupada | HighNo: to be honest i was happy with mine a little more hard-coded. half the time i don't even bother locking my pc any more |
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| 09:14.43 | HighNo | qupada: do you use rssi or just detect the presence? |
| 09:14.50 | qupada | HighNo: rssi |
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| 09:16.10 | qupada | i had coded much the same options you had, even made it easy to run multiple commands (i had mute/unmute as well as lock/unlock) |
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| 09:24.25 | HighNo | qupada: did you think about security issues? I am not quite sure if this is a secure setup |
| 09:24.55 | qupada | we had a lengthy discussion about that, yes |
| 09:25.25 | HighNo | qupada: I don't know if someone is changing his MAC the connection can be made without pairing |
| 09:25.39 | qupada | after all the data connection created to test the rssi isn't doing anything, so the pc isn't really going to care about the device it's connecting to, as long as the mac address and name are what it's expecting |
| 09:26.13 | HighNo | qupada: no - if a channel is used that requires pairing there is a pairing request |
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| 09:26.38 | qupada | not necessarily |
| 09:27.02 | qupada | unencrypted connections are just fine unless one of the devices requests encryption |
| 09:27.11 | HighNo | qupada: my question is, if that would enable an attacker to pair with any password or if this would request a pin entry on the computer side (which should be a safe thing) |
| 09:27.12 | qupada | service discovery wouldn't work otherwise |
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| 09:27.55 | qupada | well given that the pc is creating an outwards connection, it should ask. bluez lets you specify a default pin, but only for inbound connections |
| 09:28.05 | HighNo | qupada: service discovery doesn't use a normal channel, i think. it's a completely different connection?! |
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| 09:28.39 | HighNo | qupada: the computer's the one creating the connection so it sure is outbound |
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| 09:30.13 | HighNo | qupada: I guess the attacker then has to guess a preset PIN if bluez would not ask for one, and otherwise it is as safe as every other bluetooth connection (which is believed to be very secure because of the preshared secret of greater length that was created when pairing the devices) |
| 09:30.46 | qupada | i can't bebothered grepping my irc logs to see where we got to with discussion about the security issues here, but suffice to say unless you have co-workers like mine, it's not going to be too much of an issue |
| 09:31.18 | HighNo | qupada: sorry, I am a security guy, that's my job... :-( |
| 09:31.44 | qupada | in fact, if you do what i do and leave the phone undiscoverable and just poll for it at an interval rather than scanning to see when it appears then connecting to it, it becomes a lot more difficult for people to tell what mac address the phone they're meant to be emulating has |
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| 09:32.57 | HighNo | qupada: that would be just as easy by using hcidump (which is generally a great leisure time activity at crowded places) |
| 09:33.16 | HighNo | qupada: Sorry, I am a constant scanner :-) |
| 09:33.38 | HighNo | qupada: I believe your coworkers are everywhere :-) |
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| 09:34.09 | qupada | HighNo: the fact of the matter is, if you want real security, you'll have to do better |
| 09:34.20 | qupada | or just use the bluetooth technique for locking and not unlocking |
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| 09:35.55 | HighNo | qupada: I know, I am just curios if one could really use it to increase security at his workplace (like customers of mine) or if it will decrease overall security by opening a big hole |
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| 09:37.41 | qupada | personally i think the latter |
| 09:37.42 | HighNo | qupada: this should by no means be any offense towards you. Sorry to get you back into the discussion you already took. |
| 09:38.06 | HighNo | qupada: That is what stays in my head too |
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| 09:38.26 | qupada | the trouble is, any attempt you make to simplify security for users is just going to be abused |
| 09:38.45 | HighNo | qupada: I will tell them to use the locking feature only - that really increases the security |
| 09:39.10 | qupada | with this approach, the sneaky people get to break it. if you have RSA keychain tags, people will chain them to their laptop so they can't lose them. if you have smart cards, people will just leave them in their pcs rather than removing them when they go somewhere |
| 09:39.14 | qupada | you can't win |
| 09:39.27 | HighNo | qupada: hehe, so true |
| 09:40.38 | qupada | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Security_by_Oblivity.aspx |
| 09:40.54 | HighNo | qupada: did i get you right that you still use yours? did you notice a big battery drain when using it? |
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| 09:41.55 | HighNo | qupada: I am not quite sure how much battery the permanent connection really sucks. I believe since there is no data flowing it should be very small (bluetooth headsets wont make any sense otherwise...) |
| 09:42.43 | qupada | HighNo: no, i don't, other than occaisionally just to mute/unmute my music. i wrote it more as proof-of-concept than anything. battery drain isn't significantly more than you already lose by having bluetooth enabled on the phone |
| 09:43.27 | qupada | since the connection isn't actually doing anything, other than polling to see if the device is still there, it doesn't really do anything |
| 09:43.42 | HighNo | qupada: ok, thanks |
| 09:43.51 | HighNo | qupada: the link is great |
| 09:44.00 | qupada | my phone lives most of its life on its charge/sync desk stand anyway, never let it go flat |
| 09:44.29 | amth | Bluetooth is actually pretty power hungry, too bad the either chirping or UWB didn't come until Bluetooth3 ported it's protocol stack to generic WiMedia MAC. |
| 09:44.59 | qupada | it's not that power hungry |
| 09:45.16 | qupada | class 2 devices (ie most cellphones) transmit at 0dBm |
| 09:45.22 | qupada | which is 1mW |
| 09:45.37 | amth | qupada: yes, it is comparing what is possible with v3 UWB and/or chirping techs... 2x-10x less energy per bit. |
| 09:46.13 | HighNo | amth: no question - but also not my question since uwb was no option here |
| 09:46.43 | amth | HighNo: yep, was just giving generic observation about it and it's power efficiency. ;-) |
| 09:47.35 | qupada | well let me put it this way. my cellphone's battery is 3.7V/950mAh or 3515mWh. so transmitting at 1mW = 3515 hours runtime |
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| 09:47.58 | qupada | ie not going to make any difference at all considering how much power the phone needs to stay on the network |
| 09:48.02 | nasser | hi |
| 09:48.17 | HighNo | amth: right. uwb is cooler in many ways. as always the next years are quite interesing in it development. my law: the next two years are the most interesting ones. |
| 09:48.37 | nasser | how can I start KDE from console, in gnome I use startx |
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| 09:48.45 | HighNo | qupada: hehe - gotcha :-) |
| 09:49.17 | Sho_ | nasser: put 'startkde' in your ~/.xinitrc and startx will work fine |
| 09:49.33 | amth | qupada: ok, if it works, why fix it. :-) too bad it didn't take wings few years back when Ericsson pushed it. (yeah, as they developed it, they would have liked it to take larger market faster, but cool stuf anyway) |
| 09:50.04 | nasser | <Sho_> thank you, I will try later :) |
| 09:50.31 | qupada | if by "fix" you're referring to the bluetooth 1->2 transition, the reason is mostly because people wanted better quality audio transmission |
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| 09:50.53 | amth | BT and WiFi have both their weakness of needing constant connection to the base, UWB "fixes" that by being more ad hoc. :-) |
| 09:50.54 | HighNo | amth: uwb use cases may differ from bluetooth uses. qupada's point was just that the drain is not important in the handy environment together with my software |
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| 09:51.50 | HighNo | amth: of course one could do cool stuff with rfid tags using uwb and something like a goldcap capacitor - they could be active tags building networks and stuff like that... |
| 09:51.50 | amth | HighNo: yep, usually all chipsets power'n'run the baseband proc too, that alone multiplies the power usage. |
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| 09:52.44 | HighNo | amth: there is the catch-phrase "the network of things"... |
| 09:52.51 | amth | HighNo: well, the UWB works "somewhat" higher freq than rfid can transmit any usable energy (Tesla strikes back, once again).. |
| 09:53.33 | HighNo | amth: that's why i took a goldcap into the game. |
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| 09:54.07 | amth | HighNo: too bad all different partie need to have their own protocol on top of WiMedia, like WUSB, BT3, W1394, WiNet, WiBro, WiMax, WiHD and others I can't recall right now. :-) |
| 09:54.10 | HighNo | amth: use rfid frequencies to charge the capacitor "wireless" and have the tag do active networking for hours and maybe days |
| 09:54.30 | HighNo | amth: Zigbee not to mention :-) |
| 09:54.52 | amth | HighNo: supcaps are actually pretty darn cool, I have been playing with few AA sized ones on few protos, cool kit. :-) |
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| 09:55.20 | amth | HighNo: Zigbee is the "chirping" one I tried to sneak up. ;-) |
| 09:55.26 | HighNo | amth: true |
| 09:55.30 | HighNo | :-) |
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| 09:57.04 | amth | unfortunately for Zigbee, the speed is almost as bad as the NFC Nokia is still pushing for some reason... they have pretty bad NIH syndrome happening. :-D |
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| 09:58.54 | HighNo | hehe |
| 09:59.36 | HighNo | amth: , qupada: thanks for your time, I gotta go - do some "real" work now :-) |
| 09:59.49 | amth | HighNo: later |
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| 10:10.58 | nasser | can I update KDE to version 4 via yum ? |
| 10:11.44 | qupada | nasser: are you planning on developing software for kde4? |
| 10:12.52 | Hazetrip | Bonjour |
| 10:13.12 | Sho_ | nasser: KDE 4 is not out yet |
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| 10:13.51 | nasser | First Beta Release of KDE 4.0 available. |
| 10:13.58 | nasser | ummmm beta |
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| 10:14.53 | flo | is it possible to use cedrics&co with konqisAdblocK |
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| 10:16.33 | Sho_ | nasser: I assume you use Fedora. They plan to make the KDE 4 pre-releases available optionally in Fedora 8 afaik, and Fedora 9 will probably use KDE 4 by default then, so yes, there will be an upgrade path for you |
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| 10:18.04 | nasser | very nice |
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| 10:18.59 | nasser | |
| 10:18.59 | nasser | When will the eighth edition of Fedora |
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| 10:20.39 | Sho_ | nasser: 8 is supposed to come out in October I think ... those questions are more appropriate for #fedora though |
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| 10:32.23 | Appleman1234 | Does anyone know howto insert a newline using replace in kwrite ? |
| 10:32.55 | Appleman1234 | I am using kde 3.5.7 on Gentoo x86_64, but I don't see how that relates to my question |
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| 10:36.58 | perraw | Appleman1234: Sorry, you can't do that in kwrite |
| 10:37.11 | perraw | Appleman1234: Use kate instead |
| 10:37.15 | Sho_ | Appleman1234: IIRC that isn't possible currently because the text editing technology KWrite is based on operates on lines |
| 10:37.38 | perraw | Appleman1234: Should be pretty easy to implement though :) |
| 10:37.56 | Sho_ | (Kate can't do it either, as it's based on the same technology) |
| 10:39.42 | perraw | bah... Thought kate could hande that :( |
| 10:39.46 | perraw | handle |
| 10:40.19 | Sho_ | perraw: The replace code presently operates on line objects, and to insert a newline it would essentially have to create new line objects, and that isn't implemented |
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| 10:40.45 | perraw | Sho_: okay. |
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| 10:41.05 | frogonwheels | perraw: use vim ;) |
| 10:41.06 | Sho_ | However, in Kate, one can pipe the document through an external tool that can do it |
| 10:41.25 | root__ | anybody using f7 |
| 10:41.30 | Sho_ | or via the textfilter plugin |
| 10:41.39 | perraw | frogonwheels: I use vim.... Appleman1234 doesn't :) |
| 10:41.52 | perraw | root__: I'm |
| 10:42.00 | frogonwheels | Appleman1234: you should ;) |
| 10:42.04 | root__ | well im truying to get it to see ntfs |
| 10:42.13 | perraw | yum install ntfs-3g |
| 10:42.19 | root__ | f4 and f5 had no problem |
| 10:42.26 | Sho_ | & #fedora, as it's not a KDE question |
| 10:42.30 | root__ | did that it doesnt work |
| 10:42.43 | root__ | kdde needs linux |
| 10:42.46 | root__ | so it is |
| 10:43.00 | root__ | i mean really |
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| 10:43.12 | root__ | i used f4 it saw the ntfs right away |
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| 10:43.22 | Skrot- | How to get NTFS to work on fedora is a fedora question, not KDE.. |
| 10:43.23 | root__ | now i try 7 |
| 10:43.33 | root__ | still its in kde asswipe |
| 10:43.40 | Skrot- | How is it KDE? |
| 10:43.57 | root__ | think its using it |
| 10:44.11 | root__ | i dont have time for deeeddee ? |
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| 10:44.28 | root__ | now perrao |
| 10:44.30 | Skrot- | Yes, but this is a channel for questions about KDE, NTFS is kernel and distro dependant.. |
| 10:44.41 | perraw | Skrot-: com'on |
| 10:44.41 | Skrot- | dependent* |
| 10:44.45 | root__ | whatever |
| 10:45.03 | Sho_ | .oO ('Channel ban list is full' ... pinotree has been too busy again) |
| 10:45.06 | root__ | per well what do u suggest i did on install didnt allow it to see the |
| 10:45.24 | root__ | other sata ,but still on boot upit sees them |
| 10:46.03 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 10:46.05 | Appleman1234 | so kate does it ? |
| 10:46.08 | Skrot- | perraw: Fact of the matter is, he'd get a lot better support on that issue in #fedora :-) |
| 10:46.09 | Appleman1234 | frogonwheels: I prefer nano if console based |
| 10:46.14 | Sho_ | Appleman1234: Not by itself, no |
| 10:46.37 | Appleman1234 | I am trying Kate |
| 10:46.46 | perraw | root__: Make sure ntfs-3g is installed and then edit fstab and add line with if /dev/sda1 is your windowspartition "/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0" |
| 10:46.49 | Sho_ | Appleman1234: Both KWrite and Kate are based on the same text editing technology, in which the replace code currently operates on line objects and is incapable of creating new line objects as would be necessary to insert newlines |
| 10:47.01 | perraw | Skrot-: probably |
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| 10:47.31 | Sho_ | Appleman1234: However Kate has a textfilter plugin with which you could pipe text through Perl or sed to do it |
| 10:47.57 | perraw | Sho perl/sed sounds overkill for a user who is using kwrite... |
| 10:48.05 | Sho_ | yes, indeed |
| 10:48.42 | Appleman1234 | :( |
| 10:48.57 | Appleman1234 | I might as well use php sigh |
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| 10:49.16 | Assid | hi |
| 10:49.28 | Assid | is there a way to mass convert all maildir to mbox ? |
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| 10:50.45 | perraw | Appleman1234: hey.... you can replace with newline!!!!!!!!11 |
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| 10:51.51 | perraw | Just select & copy the stuff you want to replace with (together with newline) and then paste it in the find/replace dialog :) |
| 10:53.34 | perraw | Assid: did you read this: http://www.systemsaligned.com/content/view/18/19/ |
| 10:53.43 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 10:53.59 | Assid | nah.. checking |
| 10:55.11 | Appleman1234 | perraw: didn't work |
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| 10:58.51 | perraw | Appleman1234: It did for me |
| 10:59.16 | Appleman1234 | lucky you |
| 10:59.24 | perraw | Did you select and copy two lines of code that you pasted in "replace with"? |
| 10:59.32 | Appleman1234 | yes |
| 10:59.40 | Appleman1234 | it only registered as a space |
| 11:00.10 | perraw | Appleman1234: I have Kwrite 4.5.7 |
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| 11:00.24 | perraw | Appleman1234: But did you try the replace? |
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| 11:01.48 | Appleman1234 | works now |
| 11:01.48 | Appleman1234 | it was just being fussy |
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| 11:05.39 | frogonwheels | still trying to find anybody who has an idea as to why kdesktop crashes whenever you click on anything! |
| 11:06.06 | frogonwheels | I've just checked - and it's getting a signal 11, and restarting itself. |
| 11:06.23 | frogonwheels | I mean "when I click on anything" of course |
| 11:06.59 | frogonwheels | hover works on the icons - but right-click menu, middle-click menu - and left-click on icons all crash kdesktop. |
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| 11:14.59 | trekdanne | hi! how do I remove the "Email" option in konqueror's context menu? |
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| 11:47.41 | CapitalT | Hi |
| 11:48.32 | CapitalT | I'm looking for a KDE based distro, any recommendations? |
| 11:49.19 | CapitalT | KDE4-friendly are preferred :) |
| 11:49.23 | Skrot- | Depends on your needs. I enjoy kubuntu |
| 11:49.34 | CapitalT | I'm using kubuntu |
| 11:49.43 | Tm_T | Kubuntu <3 |
| 11:49.53 | ponto | opensuse 10.3 plans to have kde4 included at leas as an option. |
| 11:49.53 | Skrot- | What's the problem, then? |
| 11:50.11 | CapitalT | but it seems slow (at least for me) and the KDE4 packages are outdated |
| 11:50.24 | Skrot- | Kubuntu has beta 1 |
| 11:50.25 | Tm_T | CapitalT: no they're not |
| 11:50.32 | CapitalT | ? |
| 11:50.49 | CapitalT | Out-of-sync mirror then? |
| 11:50.51 | Skrot- | http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php |
| 11:50.57 | Skrot- | They're in backports now |
| 11:51.11 | CapitalT | I couldn't find krita |
| 11:51.33 | CapitalT | which is the thing I want to test |
| 11:51.46 | Skrot- | Doesn't seem to have krita |
| 11:52.16 | Assid | isnt kde4 broken on kubuntu ? |
| 11:52.25 | Skrot- | Broken how? |
| 11:52.27 | Tm_T | Assid: no |
| 11:52.33 | Tm_T | because KOffice has its own releases |
| 11:53.04 | CapitalT | Tm_T: Is it in the repos? |
| 11:53.06 | Skrot | right |
| 11:53.10 | Assid | hrmm alrite |
| 11:53.11 | Tm_T | CapitalT: no idea |
| 11:53.17 | Assid | will come back when im about to play with it |
| 11:53.25 | Assid | my bandwith opens up in the night |
| 11:53.52 | Assid | whats the approx size ? |
| 11:54.09 | Tm_T | Assid: you realise that KDE4 is far from ready? |
| 11:54.14 | CapitalT | yes |
| 11:54.24 | Assid | Tm_T: yeah hence beta |
| 11:54.30 | CapitalT | I want to play with the API a little |
| 11:54.40 | Assid | actually i;ll just wait it out |
| 11:54.45 | CapitalT | maybe make a plasmoid, who knows |
| 11:54.46 | Assid | hopefully should be out with gutsy |
| 11:54.52 | Tm_T | Assid: it's not |
| 11:55.01 | Skrot | nah, probably gutsy+1 |
| 11:55.14 | Tm_T | not by default even with that |
| 11:55.36 | Skrot | okay, do they have it on the roadmap somewhere? |
| 11:55.45 | Tm_T | Skrot: they? |
| 11:55.49 | Skrot | kubuntu |
| 11:55.56 | Tm_T | no, we just have plans |
| 11:56.08 | Skrot | I see, you're a kubuntu dev? |
| 11:56.30 | Tm_T | but we do have KDE4 packages available as soon as it's released so no worries |
| 11:56.36 | Tm_T | Skrot: yea, sorta |
| 11:56.48 | Skrot | I know, kubuntu has always been very qiuck with new releases |
| 11:56.50 | Skrot | quick* |
| 11:57.47 | CapitalT | Will a svn build screw-up Kubuntu? |
| 11:57.51 | Skrot | no |
| 11:57.52 | Tm_T | no |
| 11:58.06 | Tm_T | if does, blame yourself |
| 11:58.13 | CapitalT | I guess I'll give it a try |
| 11:58.15 | Skrot | I've got KDE 4 built from SVN following the guide on techbase in kubuntu, as well as KDE 3 and the KDE 4 from kubuntu |
| 11:58.47 | CapitalT | Does it play nicely with existing KDE3 install? |
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| 11:58.56 | Skrot | yupp, no problems so far |
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| 11:59.15 | Skrot | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
| 11:59.22 | CapitalT | I'll give it a shot |
| 11:59.27 | CapitalT | Thanks everyone |
| 11:59.30 | Skrot | np |
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| 12:21.42 | michaelkohwj | nvm ill try to reboot later, |
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| 12:23.16 | PasNox | hi |
| 12:23.43 | PasNox | i need to create a treeview feel with the desktop menu how i can do it please ? i look for the linux standard desktop menu |
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| 12:24.18 | runlevelten | What do you mean by desktop menu? |
| 12:24.40 | PasNox | the K Menu that list available application |
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| 12:25.13 | runlevelten | and by treeview, you mean like when konqueror is in tree view? |
| 12:25.30 | PasNox | yes |
| 12:25.37 | PasNox | i'm the developer of Monkey Studio IDE |
| 12:26.03 | PasNox | and i wuld like the user be able to add custome applicatyion to Tools menu choosing application in a treeview that list all available application |
| 12:26.23 | PasNox | sorry for my bad english :D |
| 12:26.55 | runlevelten | Oh, I see, you want a widget that lets you browse the apps in the KDE menu. |
| 12:27.05 | runlevelten | Like what happens when you choose "run with" |
| 12:27.14 | runlevelten | or "open with" even |
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| 12:27.20 | PasNox | hm |
| 12:27.24 | PasNox | if u have kdevelop |
| 12:27.26 | PasNox | start it |
| 12:27.35 | PasNox | and go in he configuratino dialog in the Tools Part |
| 12:27.39 | PasNox | u should understand |
| 12:28.01 | runlevelten | Yeah, I know what you mean. |
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| 12:28.24 | PasNox | i want a representation of the desktop menu in a treeview, i don t know how to say more easy / understandable sorry |
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| 12:29.57 | PasNox | runlevelten: ok so is there a simple way doing it ?! i don t know what i need to read, and what is the standard for it work for all desktop |
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| 12:30.15 | runlevelten | Quite a few apps do that, I'm sure there is, but I don't know off the top of my head |
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| 12:30.29 | Diavolo | hi |
| 12:30.41 | Diavolo | I have installed an application that uses qt4 on kde 3.5.7 |
| 12:30.48 | PasNox | runlevelten: can u give me some open source apps doing it lease ? |
| 12:30.51 | Diavolo | everything works fine but the fonts are not rendered correctly... |
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| 12:31.03 | PasNox | Diavolo: start qt4-config |
| 12:31.04 | Diavolo | the application looks ugly :) |
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| 12:31.26 | Diavolo | PasNox: Command not found |
| 12:31.33 | PasNox | look for |
| 12:31.38 | PasNox | qtconfig or something like it |
| 12:31.47 | PasNox | brb 5 minutes |
| 12:31.49 | Diavolo | ah, yes |
| 12:32.12 | Diavolo | aaaah |
| 12:32.13 | Diavolo | cool |
| 12:33.07 | runlevelten | PasNox: Well, there's kdevelop for one :) |
| 12:33.10 | Diavolo | perfect, thank you PasNox |
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| 12:33.43 | Diavolo | ah there are also gui effects to activae |
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| 12:34.50 | Diavolo | PasNox: Do I have to compile the application again |
| 12:34.51 | Diavolo | ? |
| 12:35.11 | Diavolo | the qt configuration dialog changed, but the application not |
| 12:35.51 | Diavolo | ah i changed the settings as root |
| 12:36.34 | PasNox | runlevelten: source is to heavily using kde |
| 12:36.40 | PasNox | witch i want not |
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| 12:36.57 | PasNox | but if u know wiotch files i need i will look ;) |
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| 12:37.25 | PasNox | Diavolo: normaly u need modify the qtconfig for qt4 |
| 12:37.36 | Diavolo | PasNox: It worked :) |
| 12:37.43 | PasNox | kool |
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| 12:38.04 | Diavolo | looks great |
| 12:38.16 | PasNox | are u developer ? |
| 12:38.22 | Diavolo | no |
| 12:38.33 | PasNox | where i can meet kde developpers ? |
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| 12:42.12 | Skrot- | #kde-devel |
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| 12:42.32 | PasNox | thanks |
| 12:42.38 | PasNox | on freenode ? |
| 12:45.47 | Gik | 为什么KDE不能设置 win+x这种快捷键? |
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| 12:50.01 | thiago | Gik: only seeing boxes. Do you mind sticking to Latin 1? |
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| 12:58.44 | phlux | Can anyone help me with konversation? |
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| 13:02.50 | krug | #lod |
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| 13:12.12 | root_ | ll |
| 13:14.04 | RDX-SpYkEs | i have just installed a new kde app... how do i make it show in my menu? |
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| 13:17.35 | ccc | RDX-SpYkEs: you can right click the k-menu icon and choose 'menu editor' and add it manually. |
| 13:17.48 | RDX-SpYkEs | ahh why thankyou |
| 13:17.51 | RDX-SpYkEs | i am a flux user :) |
| 13:18.36 | ccc | then you better ask the fluxbox gang |
| 13:18.58 | RDX-SpYkEs | what i ment was i am used to flux and this is my first go in kde |
| 13:18.58 | RDX-SpYkEs | :P |
| 13:19.06 | ccc | ah, i see :) |
| 13:20.37 | ccc | welcome then. btw, apps should automatically appear in the menu. |
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| 13:33.16 | phlux | Can someone help me with konversation? |
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| 13:34.00 | basselito | what's the problem? |
| 13:35.09 | phlux | Well, it shows the little "Away" symbol next to idled nicks, but I'd like it to just show the status instead |
| 13:35.36 | phlux | Or if I could completely get rid of the images and stuck with the @+, that would be nice as well ;) |
| 13:35.43 | phlux | s/stuck/stick |
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| 13:37.21 | basselito | Sorry, I can't help you... but now the question is out! Perhaps someone else knows! :) |
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| 14:05.55 | thais | how do people manage multimonitor support on laptops with kde? |
| 14:06.36 | wolsni | thais: what do you mean? |
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| 14:06.58 | thais | i have a laptop that supports driving an a 2nd desktop on the external monitor |
| 14:07.04 | thais | common on many laptops |
| 14:07.17 | thais | when i unplug |
| 14:07.23 | wolsni | right, my laptop is driving two displays right now |
| 14:07.25 | thais | is there a app to manage X profiles? |
| 14:07.35 | wolsni | ah |
| 14:07.37 | thais | to make it easy to switch |
| 14:07.55 | wolsni | i'm lucky enough to have driver support for the new xrandr stuff |
| 14:08.25 | wolsni | so I can just assign a key to "xrandr --auto" and hit it when I plug/unplug a monitor |
| 14:09.07 | thais | aah cool... will look into xrandr ... just been a while since i ran linux full time |
| 14:09.12 | wolsni | you can pass an argument that specifies which profile to load to startx iirc |
| 14:09.34 | wolsni | thais: that currently only works with intel graphics cards as far as I know |
| 14:10.05 | thais | ok |
| 14:10.05 | thais | thanks |
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| 14:22.15 | setre | could anyone recommend me an alternative taskbar? I tried kasbar but didn't like it |
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| 14:24.27 | runlevelten | taskbar? |
| 14:24.42 | runlevelten | I scratch the taskbar immediately and use the window list menu instead. |
| 14:24.58 | runlevelten | It's much tidier. |
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| 14:49.03 | MinceR | my session just bombed |
| 14:49.05 | MinceR | :( |
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| 14:55.41 | aleksanteri | hey |
| 14:56.02 | aleksanteri | somehow if i run the KDE Control Center (kcontrol), it prints an error dialog and doesn't show any modules at all |
| 14:56.07 | aleksanteri | error message is: |
| 14:56.09 | aleksanteri | Could not find mime type |
| 14:56.09 | aleksanteri | application/octet-stream |
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| 14:57.23 | aleksanteri | using Knoppix 5.1.1 |
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| 15:11.01 | Hazetrip | Bonjour |
| 15:11.29 | XMetal | ^^ |
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| 15:23.58 | lilltiger | Is there a way to run a script as soon as KDM have started (before any user have logged in)? |
| 15:27.19 | aleksanteri | if i run the KDE Control Center (kcontrol), it prints an error dialog and doesn't show any modules at all. the error messsage says "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream", on Knoppix 5.1.1 |
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| 15:28.16 | lilltiger | aleksanteri: have you just upgraded to an newer KDE and forgott to restart it? |
| 15:28.23 | aleksanteri | no |
| 15:28.44 | aleksanteri | KDE version 3.5.7 btw |
| 15:29.04 | lilltiger | haw it always been like that? |
| 15:29.54 | aleksanteri | no, it suddenly started being that |
| 15:30.08 | lilltiger | tried to restart kde? |
| 15:30.12 | aleksanteri | hmmm |
| 15:30.13 | aleksanteri | not yet |
| 15:30.15 | aleksanteri | brb |
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| 15:30.59 | aleksanteri | hmm now it works |
| 15:32.01 | lilltiger | either some file got harmed and needed an rebuild.. or you had upgraded some part of kde :) |
| 15:32.11 | aleksanteri | heh maybe |
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| 15:42.47 | kanzur2 | Hello |
| 15:43.00 | kanzur2 | When I try to open a 2.3 MB file with keditbookmarks, my entire system crashes |
| 15:43.09 | kanzur2 | Any suggestions? I would very much like to not crash |
| 15:43.12 | moof_ | kde 4 for mac os x yet? |
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| 15:44.05 | moof_ | , im torn between kde and gnome! |
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| 15:44.46 | moof_ | kde has this clutter but is more sophisticated |
| 15:45.32 | moof_ | gnome has this elagance but sometimes leaves u wondering if win 3.1 was more powefrul |
| 15:45.55 | moof_ | how do u react to that as a geek? |
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| 15:49.41 | aleksanteri | moof_: use a hybrid system :P |
| 15:49.53 | aleksanteri | use gnome with kde apps in other words |
| 15:50.32 | aleksanteri | of course that requires more disk space... |
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| 15:54.04 | moof_ | , yes i do aleksanteri |
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| 15:54.16 | moof_ | , some great stuff in both |
| 15:54.57 | aseigo_afk | moof_: we're working on the clutter bit by bit |
| 15:55.05 | moof_ | ,i dont think gnome has anything equivalent to Amarok though |
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| 15:55.59 | aseigo_afk | moof_: thankfully getting rid of the "clutter" (much of which is just visual rather than functional) is a lot easier than getting the sophistication was |
| 15:56.17 | moof_ | that sounds reasonable |
| 15:56.19 | Dhraak[Laptop] | heh... gnome does take up useful space |
| 15:56.20 | aseigo_afk | moof_: kde has a number of such uniquely great apps (k3b is another classic) |
| 15:56.21 | logixoul | moof_: they cloned Amarok into "Listen" in fact |
| 15:56.56 | Dhraak[Laptop] | I just had to uninstall ubuntu-desktop so that I could fit the kde4 beta on my root partition |
| 15:56.59 | moof_ | , k3b is good but overrated..in Gnome i can just use simple gnomebaker to copy an iso file |
| 15:57.06 | aseigo_afk | logixoul: cloned or cloning? i haven't looked at listen recently (what a stupid project, imho), but last i looked they were still a fair ways off |
| 15:57.31 | aseigo_afk | moof_: in kde there are other simple tools as well, just like there's juk when amarok is overkill ;) |
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| 15:57.55 | moof_ | in some cases i have used the command line for dvd copy when k3b failed on my flaky burner |
| 15:58.17 | moof_ | does anyone use juk anymore? |
| 15:58.50 | moof_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.11 | aseigo | moof_: yep... a good number of people do. i use it when i'm on the road on my laptop too actually.. |
| 15:59.20 | aseigo | rythmbox is gnome, yes... |
| 15:59.34 | aseigo | moof_: though i'm an amarok user at home =) |
| 15:59.48 | moof_ | what still amazes me and noone ever mentions is that there is MORE multimedia choice(free stuff that is) in linux/bsd than in windows |
| 15:59.55 | logixoul | aseigo_afk: yeah, Listen is stupid. in fact, I learned about it from your blog ;) - and I don't think I'll be trying it. |
| 16:00.08 | Narishma | moof_: not really |
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| 16:00.25 | Dhraak[Laptop] | hmm |
| 16:00.29 | moof_ | everything in windows is minimally nagware if not just outright commercial |
| 16:00.36 | Narishma | moof_: there are dozens of media players on windows as well |
| 16:00.46 | logixoul | dozens? more like thousands. |
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| 16:00.51 | moof_ | not many actively developed |
| 16:00.57 | moof_ | , and not freee |
| 16:00.57 | Dhraak[Laptop] | I've heard decentish things about mediamonkey |
| 16:01.13 | moof_ | shareware is dead |
| 16:01.14 | Narishma | moof_: most are free |
| 16:01.15 | logixoul | best thing I used on windows was musikCube |
| 16:01.23 | moof_ | no Narishma |
| 16:01.26 | moof_ | , name some |
| 16:01.26 | logixoul | moof_: not even close... it's thriving |
| 16:01.27 | Narishma | moof_: free as in freeware not free software |
| 16:01.32 | oGanso | and fewer open sourced |
| 16:02.05 | moof_ | far better choice in unixland and i used windows XP for years |
| 16:02.09 | Narishma | moof_: winamp, itunes, wmp, foobar |
| 16:02.17 | moof_ | , itunes is nagware |
| 16:02.24 | aseigo | hehe.. itunes on windows. =) |
| 16:02.24 | moof_ | winamp no comment |
| 16:02.26 | Narishma | it's still free |
| 16:02.36 | moof_ | ], i said non nagware |
| 16:02.48 | Narishma | what a nagware ? |
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| 16:03.20 | moof_ | , please cllick and get get the PRO VERSION for only 200$ a month :) |
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| 16:03.54 | Narishma | moof_: well most people don't care |
| 16:03.56 | moof_ | there is just so much of that i dont see how u can even deny it |
| 16:04.07 | Narishma | moof_: they'll just use the free version |
| 16:04.19 | Narishma | I'm not denying it |
| 16:04.21 | moof_ | , well most people just get used to the nagging |
| 16:04.27 | Dhraak[Laptop] | hmm |
| 16:04.35 | Narishma | I'm just saying there are tons of free media players on windows too |
| 16:04.36 | Dhraak[Laptop] | what's the kcontrol equivalent in kde4? |
| 16:04.38 | moof_ | its why i use frostwire over limewire |
| 16:05.15 | moof_ | sure but not anywhere as good as linux/unix stuff and many stopped development years ago |
| 16:06.05 | Narishma | Dhraak[Laptop]: system-settings I think |
| 16:06.17 | Dhraak[Laptop] | hmm |
| 16:06.21 | Dhraak[Laptop] | but how to get to it? |
| 16:06.32 | Narishma | Dhraak[Laptop]: no idea |
| 16:06.45 | moof_ | rhytmbox amarok gnomeplayer xmms2 exaile songbird |
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| 16:07.11 | Narishma | moof_: how many of those are clones of amarok or xmms ? |
| 16:07.26 | moof_ | what do u mean by that? |
| 16:07.32 | oGanso | amarok |
| 16:07.41 | moof_ | , xmms2 obviously is a fork of xmms |
| 16:07.50 | moof_ | , exaile is original |
| 16:08.00 | amth | Dhraak[Laptop]: systemsettings |
| 16:08.18 | moof_ | none look like any other |
| 16:08.32 | Dhraak[Laptop] | yeah, found it |
| 16:08.39 | Dhraak[Laptop] | lotsa blank icons |
| 16:09.11 | amth | Dhraak[Laptop]: heh, not exactly stable yet. :-) |
| 16:09.22 | moof_ | maybe its just me but nagging in XP and in XP software made me commit to linux and or unix |
| 16:09.31 | Dhraak[Laptop] | yeah |
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| 16:10.08 | amth | about icons, no full Oxygen yet in trunk. |
| 16:10.18 | amth | trunk/KDE that is :-) |
| 16:10.31 | Dhraak[Laptop] | and some of the settings stuff appeared to be blank |
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| 16:10.43 | Dhraak[Laptop] | but, yeah, beta |
| 16:11.08 | Dhraak[Laptop] | early beta at that |
| 16:12.07 | amth | Beta1/Alpha3 :-D |
| 16:13.07 | moof_ | will kde4 build on OS X? |
| 16:13.29 | Dhraak[Laptop] | yeah, I've used KDE betas before |
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| 16:53.01 | chovy_ | why does KDE not let me pick my desired screensize in the Control Settings....I can only get the correct settings from xorg.conf |
| 16:53.58 | apokryphos | kde can only let you change things within the bounds of what xorg.conf has |
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| 17:21.15 | chovy_ | apokryphos: but it is weird...when I get the kde login prompt, the screensize is correct, after I login it is 640x480 and I can only make it 800x600 max |
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| 17:21.34 | chovy_ | i want it (and xorg.conf) has it set to 1440x900 correctly |
| 17:21.55 | apokryphos | chovy_: ask in #yourdistro how to configure xorg.conf |
| 17:22.00 | chovy_ | if I modify displayconfigrc to have 1440x900 my desktop works fine. |
| 17:22.20 | Cocytus | Is it possible to allow multiple instances of kaffeine? |
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| 17:24.59 | amth | Cocyton: if it uses xine as the backend, then in theory it might bo able, but never have worked for me (multiple xine-ui sessions at the same time works though). maybe kaffeine needs to get multithreaded. :-) |
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| 17:25.54 | amth | Cocytus: it's also an issue with XVideo. :-/ |
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| 17:26.30 | Leebier | is there a way to get knetworkmanager to automatically connect to a particular (wifi) network when booting up? |
| 17:26.50 | Cocytus | amth: i have both xine and mplayer set up to use xv, and both can run at the same time just fine. |
| 17:27.10 | moof_ | test |
| 17:28.02 | amth | Cocytus: yep, just like I can with multiple xine-ui videos, issue is mostly at kaffeine code. go #kaffeine to try to convince them to change that. ;-) |
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| 17:33.58 | amth | Cocytus: at least I get funky effects when I play two (or more) videos that are using different FPS, mix'n'match 25Hz, 30Hz or whatever non-equal... at least my sys gets flickery. |
| 17:34.17 | amth | that's why I mentioned WVideo being one issue. :-) |
| 17:34.22 | amth | XVideo |
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| 17:35.10 | Leebier | or am i in the wrong room to talk about knetworkmanager? |
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| 18:23.12 | dc905 | hi all.. can i ask a question about 3.90.1-1 ? :D |
| 18:23.42 | pinotree | you don't have to ask to ask |
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| 18:24.20 | dc905 | lol.. just wasnt sure if kde4 beta stuff was ok here --- but this plasma that launches with my kde4 dekstop is really messed up |
| 18:24.27 | DaSkreech | do you have to inform to inform? |
| 18:24.28 | albe123 | ciao a tutti |
| 18:24.44 | DaSkreech | dc905: Yeah. It's a beta :) |
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| 18:24.53 | dc905 | right click run doesnt work ... dont see my desktop ... really weird |
| 18:25.55 | dc905 | should i do something to make it better? :P or is it just because its beta? |
| 18:25.55 | pinotree | you said, it's a beta |
| 18:25.56 | DaSkreech | dc905: You mean you want to know where to jump in th code? |
| 18:25.57 | FunctorSalad | Hi, I found a silly "problem"... in the control panel -> regional -> input actions, how do I actually create a new top-level-group? ;) |
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| 18:26.05 | dc905 | DaSkreech:: more like it i need to upgrade the plasma or install some missing something-- lol, im a poor coder :P |
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| 18:26.30 | dc905 | just reading up on plasma.. seems pretty awsome once it works .. |
| 18:27.21 | DaSkreech | dc905: Yeah but it's in beta as well :) |
| 18:27.52 | dc905 | DaSkreech:: ya, i dig it.. i know fedora 8 will be using all these goodies-- cant wait!! :D |
| 18:27.53 | DaSkreech | dc905: make notes as to what you would lilke to see improved and jot them down. When the next beta comes out see how many have been taken care of |
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| 18:28.18 | dc905 | DaSkreech:: will do! |
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| 18:28.37 | DaSkreech | dc905: Sure you are going to be surprised :) |
| 18:30.19 | FunctorSalad | ah found a workaround, click "global settings" to make it lose focus, then hit "new group" |
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| 19:04.26 | Red_Cloud | Does kde have an onscreen keyboard? |
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| 19:05.38 | Narishma | Red_Cloud: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kvkbd?content=56019 |
| 19:05.53 | Red_Cloud | Narishma thanks. |
| 19:06.00 | Narishma | np |
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| 19:23.49 | pembo13_com | how does one go about debugging a total system freeze when i login to my desktop |
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| 19:26.10 | Mirrakor | watch the logs? |
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| 19:36.36 | DaSkreech | pembo13_com: logs help does it happen when you login to the termiinal? |
| 19:36.53 | pembo13_com | i've checked logs, etc |
| 19:37.09 | pembo13_com | DaSkreech, no.. i can log into the machine via ssh pre kde-login |
| 19:37.21 | DaSkreech | my friend spent over an hour trying to figure out why natilus was freezing |
| 19:37.34 | pembo13_com | this isn't a GUI level freeze |
| 19:37.39 | DaSkreech | turned out to be a video file that was in his home |
| 19:37.49 | pembo13_com | what ever it is is taking down the entire machine |
| 19:38.10 | DaSkreech | hadn't touched it but anytime it made a thumbnail it killed nauti |
| 19:38.25 | pembo13_com | where is the file that launches programs on startup? |
| 19:38.42 | DaSkreech | .kde/Autostart |
| 19:38.55 | pembo13_com | i'm currently leaving the machine at KDM to see if it is time based, or really happens when KDE starts |
| 19:39.40 | pembo13_com | i have .kde/Autostart |
| 19:39.47 | pembo13_com | but that's a dir |
| 19:40.10 | DaSkreech | booya: don't kompile kopete then :-) |
| 19:40.17 | DaSkreech | yeah |
| 19:40.17 | pembo13_com | and all it has is a .directory file |
| 19:40.21 | pembo13_com | that can't be right |
| 19:40.32 | DaSkreech | do you mean kdeinit? |
| 19:40.33 | pembo13_com | how does KDE recover the session? |
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| 19:41.07 | pembo13_com | DaSkreech, where is that at? |
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| 19:42.01 | pembo13_com | is ~/.kde/tmp-$hostname supposed to be a danglign link? |
| 19:42.46 | pembo13_com | i just can't find KDE's login/starup files |
| 19:42.52 | pembo13_com | anyone know where they are? |
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| 19:44.33 | pembo13_com | well it's defintely KDE |
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| 19:44.45 | pembo13_com | i made a new user, and logged in with it... no freeze yet |
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| 19:45.48 | pembo13_com | guys... .would appreciate some assistant fixing this problem |
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| 19:50.48 | pembo13_com | i'm using Fedora 7, full updates KDE packages... and i'm consistently getting a freeze when i log in |
| 19:51.03 | pembo13_com | i created a new user, and logged in without freeze |
| 19:51.15 | pembo13_com | freeze is system wide, can't even ssh in |
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| 19:57.14 | Assid | heya |
| 19:57.19 | Assid | anyone here using kvpnc? |
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| 20:00.27 | Assid | heya |
| 20:00.33 | Assid | anyone here played with kvpnc ? |
| 20:00.40 | Assid | i keep getting cut from the vpn network |
| 20:01.12 | wescotte | In KDE when you use your scroll wheel and the mouse cursor is positioned over the taskbar it suddenly goes from verticle scrolling to switching between tasks.. is there a way to disable that? |
| 20:01.22 | pinotree | i'm using it regularly since may |
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| 20:01.46 | pinotree | try setting a regular ping to the vpn server, like 1 ping each minute |
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| 20:10.07 | Halca | Hey there |
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| 20:10.51 | trekdanne | wescotte: right click on the taskbar -> configure panel... -> taskbar -> Actions -> middle mouse button -> None |
| 20:11.31 | trekdanne | ah nvm |
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| 20:11.54 | wescotte | trekdanne: yeah I saw that but I don't have a none option listed.. |
| 20:12.29 | wescotte | trekdanne: can edit a file somewhere and insert none? |
| 20:12.33 | trekdanne | wescotte: sorry, my bad... isn't running KDE right now :P |
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| 20:15.36 | Halca | ROAR |
| 20:15.38 | Halca | Hey :D |
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| 20:16.22 | pinotree | Halca: hi, no need to roar, we are here, if you have questions ;) |
| 20:17.11 | Halca | :D |
| 20:17.21 | Halca | It's my party and i can roar if i want to ;_; |
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| 20:24.40 | Halca | Hmm, what's the shortcut for showing Kicker |
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| 20:30.49 | pembo13_com | seriously.. .where at the files that are used to "reload" one's session? |
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| 20:35.04 | pembo13_com | anyone in her? |
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| 20:53.05 | pembo13_com | does kde keep any logs or anything?? |
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| 21:22.23 | Gik | .. |
| 21:22.28 | MinceR | . |
| 21:22.52 | Gik | make[1]: *** 没有规则可以创建目标“missing-syscalls”。 停止。 |
| 21:22.57 | troy | c'mon guys, random dots are totally offtopic and interrupt the flow of the awsome conversations :P |
| 21:23.32 | Gik | why ? |
| 21:23.55 | MinceR | troy: they aren't random, they're directory entries :> |
| 21:24.01 | troy | Gik: cannot speak japanese (at least I think that's Japanese - font is really small!), but looks like missing headers |
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| 21:24.32 | Gik | ...........i am speaking Chinese |
| 21:25.03 | Gik | missing headers? |
| 21:25.15 | fedobuntu_us3r | Is there anyway I can get a live CD for KDE 4 beta? |
| 21:25.43 | Sho_ | fedobuntu_us3r: Yup, courtesy of Stephan Binner and SuSE/Novell: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ |
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| 21:26.30 | fedobuntu_us3r | I tried that |
| 21:26.34 | fedobuntu_us3r | wouldn't work |
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| 21:31.42 | MinceR | are there any non-suse kde4 livecd-s/livedvd-s? |
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| 21:35.51 | Karti | Hi all, is there a Kcron channel I can get some advice on? |
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| 21:53.03 | jariep1_ | hi there |
| 21:53.37 | jariep1_ | i hav e a question |
| 21:59.47 | Karti | !ask | jariep1_ |
| 21:59.49 | stoned | we proably have an answer |
| 21:59.53 | stoned | ~ask |
| 21:59.53 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 22:00.05 | stoned | apt hi |
| 22:00.05 | apt | hello, stoned |
| 22:00.14 | stoned | apt: you fucking moronic bot ;) |
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| 22:00.22 | Karti | Hi all, is there a Kcron channel I can get some advice on? |
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| 22:00.28 | Karti | !ask |
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| 22:01.18 | stoned | right here |
| 22:01.34 | stoned | you might want to learn/understand cron before you try to use a front end |
| 22:02.45 | Karti | stoned: its just that I have a working executable that works fine ....just not when it crons |
| 22:02.54 | stoned | i can't help you |
| 22:02.58 | stoned | i can't help anyone |
| 22:03.02 | stoned | I know nothing about nothing |
| 22:03.19 | Karti | No problems...the name gives it away ;) |
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| 22:03.29 | stoned | don't judge |
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| 22:03.50 | stoned | jesus was also a pothead |
| 22:03.52 | jherrera | what's the difference between kcolorchooser and kcoloredit? |
| 22:03.56 | jherrera | they seem to serve the same purpose ! |
| 22:04.08 | stoned | one chooses color and one edits the pallete |
| 22:04.10 | Karti | stoned: Your right....but I was talking about my name ;) |
| 22:04.10 | stoned | maybe? |
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| 22:04.20 | stoned | karti is a hindi word |
| 22:04.23 | jherrera | ?? |
| 22:04.32 | jherrera | mm |
| 22:04.32 | stoned | haha |
| 22:04.36 | stoned | jack herrera |
| 22:04.39 | stoned | haha, nice |
| 22:04.50 | stoned | is that your actual name or you just using this as a nickname |
| 22:04.56 | stoned | you know who jack herrera is? |
| 22:05.05 | stoned | the biggest pothead on the planet |
| 22:05.08 | Karti | stoned: na...name I used 30 years ago when I was a Dungeons and Dragons player......tooo long ago :( |
| 22:05.08 | jherrera | my name, jesus herrera |
| 22:05.09 | stoned | pot acitivist etc. |
| 22:05.11 | stoned | haha |
| 22:05.14 | stoned | thats awesome |
| 22:05.27 | stoned | 30 years ago |
| 22:05.30 | stoned | goddamn |
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| 22:05.36 | stoned | Respek :) |
| 22:05.42 | stoned | Respek mate, Respek |
| 22:05.46 | Karti | **looks at wrinkly hands** |
| 22:06.40 | Karti | bye all that time again |
| 22:07.25 | stoned | heh |
| 22:07.31 | stoned | i take care of my hands |
| 22:07.36 | stoned | my hands man |
| 22:07.39 | stoned | i love them |
| 22:07.45 | stoned | especially my right and my left hand |
| 22:07.46 | stoned | well |
| 22:07.48 | stoned | duh |
| 22:07.51 | stoned | both of them I love |
| 22:08.00 | stoned | my hands are my best friend |
| 22:08.09 | stoned | if i were to damaage my hand |
| 22:08.34 | stoned | i wouldn't be able to p lay guitar |
| 22:08.40 | stoned | and if i can't play guitar |
| 22:08.42 | stoned | i might as well be dead |
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| 23:23.25 | fedora_ | foo |
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| 23:23.47 | wescotte | root: no luck finding those KDE temp files? |
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| 23:27.27 | Lupinoe | I bound a khotkey to a small script. Holding it down for a couple of seconds, not to my surprise, quickly downed the whole session, KDE, X and everything. |
| 23:28.34 | Lupinoe | I'm not planning to tape them stuck in the near future, but it worries me a bit if they get physically stuck or 'software stuck' (it's happened before). Is there a way to make khotkeys interpret this so it's only executed once for each press-release instead of the key acting on autorepeat? |
| 23:29.31 | wolsni | Lupinoe: well, you can set the repeat delay/interval |
| 23:29.51 | wolsni | not sure about setting khotkeys to ignore rapid successive presses |
| 23:30.27 | Lupinoe | Yeah, I thought about that, but getting it down to a safe limit that way will make a lot of typing unecessarily tedious. |
| 23:31.07 | wolsni | do you really type long strings of the same character often? |
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| 23:31.46 | wolsni | anyway, i suppose it's worth a bug report on bugs.kde.org (file it as a wish) |
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| 23:38.36 | Halca | God damn flash 9 |
| 23:38.44 | Halca | !seen Go |
| 23:38.49 | Halca | !seen God |
| 23:38.58 | Halca | :O |
| 23:39.10 | Halca | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.11 | Halca | :D |
| 23:39.21 | Lupinoe | wolsni: aye, thanks (and yes, I do type loooooong strings sometimes :p) |
| 23:39.53 | pinotree | Halca: ?! |
| 23:40.28 | pinotree | sigh |
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