| 00:00.55 | ijwyn | I just noticed a weird issue... I kwrite I used to be able to paste in Japanese characters just fine... now, however, some get replaced with blank squares... the weird thing is that it's not systematic, some come through fine while others get screwed up... I'm still working in UTF8 as before, so that's not the problem... did I perhaps forget to install some library when I upgraded my system? |
| 00:01.02 | ijwyn | *in kwrite |
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| 00:20.21 | ijwyn | grrr... I installed both locales-ja & kde-i18n-ja but it *still* doesn't work right... |
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| 00:34.22 | Trixsey | I installed KDE, then I removed it.. now I have tons of KDE software |
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| 00:34.34 | Trixsey | is there some package I can remove to get rid of all that? |
| 00:34.43 | Trixsey | I tried "sudo apt-get remove kde" |
| 00:34.46 | Trixsey | but it didn't remove everything |
| 00:38.08 | timrs | theres more than one kde package |
| 00:38.19 | Trixsey | yeah I know.. a ton of them |
| 00:38.22 | Trixsey | I have to remove them one by one? |
| 00:38.31 | Trixsey | or ís there some metapackages that I can remove? containing most of them? |
| 00:38.41 | timrs | i'd rather tell you how to remove gnome |
| 00:39.07 | timrs | hold on |
| 00:41.09 | Trixsey | I didn't really like Konqueror, or the kde-panel (or w/e it's called).. I also think gnome and kde comes bundled with too much software.. :( |
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| 00:41.23 | Trixsey | I don't like Nautilus either though |
| 00:41.37 | timrs | lol |
| 00:41.41 | timrs | i hate nautilus |
| 00:41.43 | timrs | hold on |
| 00:41.59 | timrs | theres kdebase kdenetwork kdevelop3 ... |
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| 00:42.43 | timrs | kdegames3-arcade ...-card ..-board ...-tactic |
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| 00:43.13 | timrs | kdebase3 |
| 00:43.24 | timrs | kdeadmin3 |
| 00:43.33 | timrs | there gotta be an online list somewhere |
| 00:44.41 | timrs | http://www.kde.org/download/ has a list of packages you can remove |
| 00:45.12 | coolbreeze | removing kdelibs should pull just about everything with it |
| 00:45.44 | timrs | well, can't u do something to remove everthing that depends on the library (i don't use apt) |
| 00:46.13 | wolsni | timrs: when you remove kdelibs, everything that relies on it will be removed as well |
| 00:46.35 | wolsni | it's kind of the point of apt/yum/pretty much every package manager |
| 00:47.04 | ijwyn | yeah, I'd think removing kdelibs would do the trick |
| 00:47.08 | ijwyn | try that first |
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| 01:22.13 | metbsd | i'm configuring my kde to be chinese locale |
| 01:22.27 | metbsd | but fonts are not showing properly |
| 01:22.31 | metbsd | some are missing and stuff |
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| 01:24.29 | timrs | be sure to log out and in to refresh all apps -- or furthur describe your problem |
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| 01:26.42 | metbsd | chinese fonts are not being displayed properly, some character appear to be square |
| 01:27.14 | wolsni | metbsd: this probably means that the font you are using is incomplete |
| 01:27.39 | wolsni | metbsd: try with MS Core fonts or the Liberation fonts from Red Hat |
| 01:28.45 | metbsd | how do i make kde to use those 3rd party fonts? |
| 01:29.23 | wolsni | metbsd: you can find the .ttf files and install them using the KDE control center |
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| 01:30.09 | wolsni | the liberation fonts are available at https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ |
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| 01:31.56 | troy | wolsni: are those fonts any good? |
| 01:32.19 | wolsni | they're pretty nice imo |
| 01:32.36 | wolsni | i've heard from people who really hate them too though |
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| 01:37.12 | timrs | I'm going to change my fonts to chinese right now... |
| 01:37.21 | timrs | i mean my language |
| 01:37.34 | troy | wolsni: there was some discussion earlier this year with the artists team suggesting that KDE set a minimum set of fonts that we require distros to ship so that KDE doesn't look like shit due to bad fonts... |
| 01:38.05 | wolsni | troy: that sounds like a brilliant idea :) |
| 01:38.25 | troy | judging by the date on that redhat press release, these fonts were not available when we had that discussion - which is why I ask :) |
| 01:38.46 | wolsni | troy: i'm not really a font expert |
| 01:39.06 | troy | wolsni: well, I'm sure you have a subjective opinion :) |
| 01:39.22 | wolsni | and I pretty much only look at my text at 10pt so I haven't really checked them out |
| 01:40.15 | troy | I usually set my monitor resolution as high as it can go (until refresh rate gets too low), then increase the font size until it's comfortable to look at... |
| 01:41.01 | wolsni | i use a laptop with the LCD set to its native resolution |
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| 01:41.22 | wolsni | and 10pt pretty much works out right for me |
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| 01:41.34 | troy | wolsni: in that case you're generally strongarmed into your screen resolution though :) not many options... |
| 01:41.52 | wolsni | my point exactly |
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| 01:42.57 | troy | my next screen purchase will be a projector - I've got white walls, and I'm farsighted - easy way to get a bigger screen :) |
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| 01:43.27 | wolsni | ooh, sounds nice |
| 01:44.37 | troy | well, at $700 you can get a 1600x1200 projector (better than an HD TV) which can be made to any arbitrary size (within reason)... |
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| 01:45.03 | troy | add an HD tuner, and you just saves a hell of a lot of money... |
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| 01:45.25 | troy | wow, a few shots of rum and my spelling and grammar really crash |
| 01:45.38 | wolsni | only 1440x900 resolution though |
| 01:46.58 | troy | sweet :) |
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| 02:03.53 | roho | what is the kde equivalent of gedit? |
| 02:04.06 | hish | kwrite |
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| 02:04.38 | hish | kate has extensive session management, but kwrite is gonna be KDE4 default, I think. |
| 02:05.00 | roho | which takes less cpu load? |
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| 02:05.11 | wolsni | i think i've heard that kate is moving to the KDE development suite |
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| 02:05.20 | wolsni | kwrite is lighter in memory usage |
| 02:05.33 | roho | cool |
| 02:05.33 | roho | thanks |
| 02:05.34 | hish | yeah, I prefer kwrite. |
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| 02:06.03 | wolsni | they both have the same editior component so they're pretty similar in resource usage |
| 02:06.13 | holycow | hello fellow kde'r |
| 02:06.15 | holycow | s |
| 02:08.09 | timrs | i prefer kate because it has tabs, but i can't get rid of the list of open files on the left forever.. |
| 02:08.48 | ijwyn | I use kwrite all the time, love it |
| 02:08.49 | wolsni | kate's tabs are quite annoying imho |
| 02:08.54 | hish | yeah, its session management stuff just gets in the way, I find. |
| 02:09.17 | hish | then you have like 200 text files open since it saves your file history.. |
| 02:09.38 | wolsni | session management != tabs |
| 02:11.11 | hish | patently. |
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| 02:16.35 | roho | what is the k equiv of gksu? |
| 02:16.53 | wolsni | kdesu |
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| 02:17.50 | roho | k |
| 02:18.32 | roho | heh, one more question |
| 02:18.34 | hagabaka | i wish kdescreensaver was as nice as xscreensaver |
| 02:18.39 | roho | is there a page that compares kde and gnome? |
| 02:18.50 | hagabaka | with fade in/out, and the ability to cycle screensavers in random mode |
| 02:19.04 | hagabaka | and reliably starting... |
| 02:19.15 | wolsni | isn't there a page on a wiki someplace for these "equivalent" questions? |
| 02:19.53 | aseigo | hagabaka: there is a Random mode and it does start reliably (sounds like something odd with your setup?) |
| 02:20.02 | wolsni | roho: "compares" them? |
| 02:20.04 | wolsni | what do you mean? |
| 02:20.19 | roho | well |
| 02:20.24 | aseigo | wolsni: not that i know uf... |
| 02:20.24 | roho | pros and cons i guess |
| 02:20.30 | hagabaka | i read bug reports saying that it doesn't reliably start for others too, and there wasn't a solution or known cause |
| 02:20.33 | roho | just like with kscreensaver and what hagabaka said |
| 02:20.51 | troy | roho: there's been a lot of articles comparing the two, but it's always been marred by personal bias |
| 02:21.04 | hagabaka | if i open the configuration and save it again, it seems to fix it for a while, but after a while it doesn't automatically start again |
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| 02:21.16 | roho | troy: yeah, i figured that. well, what is one thing that K can do that gnome can't? |
| 02:21.27 | wolsni | roho: a bit of googling should turn up plenty of results |
| 02:21.32 | hagabaka | and the random mode can only show one screensaver at a time, not switch to a different one after a while |
| 02:21.46 | roho | wolsni: well, this channel is dedicated to KDE, that's why i asked. of course i know i can use google. DUH. |
| 02:21.52 | troy | hagabaka: ahh - probably not coded then :) |
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| 02:22.25 | troy | roho: that's a hard question - I haven't used gnome in several years, so I would say a lot of things, yet probably be told that gnome has also implemented it... |
| 02:22.47 | roho | troy: yeah |
| 02:23.13 | aseigo | roho: pervasive vfs usage in apps; extensive lock down support that is far beyond sabayon (inc reflecting such changes in the config gui); the pervasive embedding of apps in other apps (e.g. khtml in.. well, practically you name it; or kontact) |
| 02:23.14 | troy | roho: we generally play off of each other, in so called 'co-opetition' where the best feature ideas are reused, but the implementation details often differ... |
| 02:23.45 | aseigo | kalzium is untouched |
| 02:24.08 | roho | so do you all use kmail instead of evolution? |
| 02:24.17 | aseigo | kontact, yes |
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| 02:24.42 | aseigo | konqi's split screens and tabs |
| 02:24.47 | troy | roho: you'd be hard pressed to find a single KDE user that uses evolution regularly... |
| 02:24.48 | smileaf | roho: just to point out the obvious.. this is #kde of course we use kmail ;) |
| 02:25.13 | troy | roho: hell, most of us don't even touch firefox on a daily basis... |
| 02:25.21 | smileaf | high fives troy. |
| 02:25.33 | aseigo | roho: there are a huge number of things in kde that you won't find in other x11 envs... i find most of the changelogs in other x11 desktop projects contain things we've already done some time ago |
| 02:25.34 | roho | troy: is there a mouse gestures plugin for konq? |
| 02:25.35 | hagabaka | i hate websites that make me have to use firefox |
| 02:25.41 | aseigo | roho: yes |
| 02:25.44 | roho | hm |
| 02:25.46 | troy | roho: plugin, no - it's built in after a fashion... |
| 02:25.54 | aseigo | roho: and it's not a plugin, it's part of the kde framework proper =) |
| 02:26.03 | roho | i've thought about using k apps for everything, i just have some reservations |
| 02:26.16 | roho | aseigo: it is? even in filemanager windows? |
| 02:26.16 | hagabaka | though it's unfortunately so hidden |
| 02:26.16 | smileaf | hagabaka: and you can't spoof them? |
| 02:26.18 | aseigo | roho: i suggest using the app that works best for you =) |
| 02:26.20 | aseigo | er, apps |
| 02:26.36 | roho | aseigo: well, i'm not sure i have explored everything that k has to offer |
| 02:26.36 | aseigo | roho: alot, if not most people, use a mix of apps (knowingly or unknowingly) |
| 02:26.47 | troy | roho: the only time I have to use firefox is for websites that force me to use a rich-text editing widget to enter text... |
| 02:26.56 | aseigo | roho: yes, you can use gestures in fm mode |
| 02:26.59 | hagabaka | some of them i can, like gmail and a site at my school. i guess others just have weird html, and they show up strangely |
| 02:27.09 | aseigo | troy: that's one reason i really want to see the qt webkit kpart |
| 02:27.20 | roho | troy: would you say that konq handles java and flash better than ff? |
| 02:27.44 | troy | roho: yes, because it's handled out of process - can't crash and bring down browser... also, allows me to run flash32 in konq64 that way... |
| 02:28.14 | wolsni | plus the "click button to load plugin" functionality is built in in konqueror |
| 02:28.15 | roho | troy: hmm. that's good to know |
| 02:28.27 | troy | roho: none of this chroot jail for firefox32 that is needed to use flash32 with firefox on amd64 platforms :P |
| 02:28.34 | roho | wow |
| 02:28.49 | roho | this is what happens when i don't have time to dink around on the puter instead of working on it |
| 02:29.41 | aseigo | hehe |
| 02:29.53 | roho | do you all use kopete for irc or xchat? |
| 02:29.57 | roho | xchat/other |
| 02:30.04 | aseigo | konversation |
| 02:30.05 | smileaf | kopete for IM, konversation for IRC. |
| 02:30.08 | troy | I use konversation for irc, kopete for all over protocols... |
| 02:30.20 | aseigo | 3 for 3 =) |
| 02:30.21 | roho | hmm |
| 02:30.25 | roho | never used konversation |
| 02:30.25 | troy | although kopete does irc, it's not, well, the best experience :) |
| 02:30.37 | roho | i have this urge to make everything pure kde, but i have reservations |
| 02:30.38 | smileaf | indeed |
| 02:30.45 | roho | yeah, kopete's irc is like trillian's |
| 02:30.51 | smileaf | roho: I don't even have gtk installed. |
| 02:31.02 | aseigo | roho: just go one app at a time, make a case by case decision and go for it =) |
| 02:31.15 | roho | aseigo: yeah, i already decided against kopete for irc |
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| 02:32.08 | roho | yeah, i'd like to cut down on disk space too |
| 02:32.25 | roho | can you connect to multiple servers simultaneously with konversation? |
| 02:32.32 | troy | roho: aha! I think I have another app that KDE has which bests all others... kstars - that thing is amazing - I'm doing research on asteroids using my university's 1m telescope, and it has orbits for asteroids that some commercial products miss :) |
| 02:32.37 | A_b | roho. i use different user accounts to run different desktops such as kde, gnome, ifce etc. just for fun to explore the features :) |
| 02:32.40 | troy | roho: yeah - doing it right now :) |
| 02:32.54 | roho | cool |
| 02:33.03 | roho | A_b: that's a good idea |
| 02:33.10 | wolsni | A_b: why different user accounts? |
| 02:33.34 | A_b | so i can focus on each desktop seperate from all others |
| 02:33.51 | troy | wolsni: that's what I do for KDE 4 development, so kde 3.x doesn't interfere with the config files and such... but that's a different reason... |
| 02:34.00 | wolsni | that i understand |
| 02:34.16 | wolsni | oh well i suppose it can't be justified/explained |
| 02:34.43 | roho | well, when i try to do mouse gestures in konq, it doesn't work |
| 02:34.48 | roho | is it something i have to install? |
| 02:35.06 | troy | roho: have to enable them someplace- never used them before :) |
| 02:35.10 | roho | hm |
| 02:35.11 | wolsni | roho: go into kcontrol, look at the input actions section |
| 02:35.16 | roho | kcontrol. |
| 02:35.16 | roho | k |
| 02:35.26 | wolsni | it's under the Regional & Accessibility section |
| 02:35.51 | roho | alrighty |
| 02:36.01 | troy | or, in control, just search for "mouse", and mouse gestures will come up in the list :) |
| 02:36.24 | roho | i got it |
| 02:36.27 | wolsni | hooray searchable control center |
| 02:36.35 | roho | oh, and how to replace gdm with kdm? |
| 02:36.39 | roho | or even xdm |
| 02:36.51 | troy | roho: depends on your distro a little, I think... |
| 02:36.59 | wolsni | roho: ask in your distro channel |
| 02:37.06 | roho | i've used debian, slack, and many others, but i'm using ubuntu presently |
| 02:37.07 | roho | k |
| 02:37.20 | troy | roho: normally I end up changing the file in /etc/rc.d or wherever gdm is started from.. |
| 02:37.32 | A_b | or explore configure konq, roho |
| 02:37.46 | roho | cool |
| 02:38.07 | roho | i don't remember who said it but they didn't have gtk. does it make window widgets and such look grainy? |
| 02:38.19 | A_b | under settings in konq |
| 02:38.31 | troy | roho: that would be smileaf, and no, gtk isn't necessary at all for KDE... |
| 02:38.35 | aseigo | roho: the one is not connected with the other in the least. |
| 02:38.51 | roho | is there activex in konq? |
| 02:39.02 | troy | roho: activex is IE specific... |
| 02:39.13 | wolsni | roho absolutely not |
| 02:39.17 | roho | gmail complains that konq isn't supported fully |
| 02:39.28 | smileaf | roho: gtk is another GUI toolkit just like Qt |
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| 02:39.52 | roho | but it's a gnu thing |
| 02:39.55 | smileaf | roho: kde uses Qt; gnome, firefox and a few others use gtk |
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| 02:39.58 | troy | roho: gmail lies - change your browser ID to firefox in tools->change browser identification |
| 02:40.19 | roho | alright |
| 02:40.26 | wolsni | roho: last I checked, they were right about gmail |
| 02:40.42 | troy | roho: the problem is that gmail is seeing you connect with konq, and automatically assumes that it isn't supported... so you have to tell gmail you're using firefox, and it works just fine... |
| 02:41.02 | roho | alright |
| 02:41.14 | troy | google docs on the other hand, not so much (like I said, rich text editor widget problems) |
| 02:41.24 | smileaf | sorta anyway.. it'll sometimes stall which is very annoying. |
| 02:41.34 | smileaf | not tried with 3.5.7 tho |
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| 02:43.43 | smileaf | troy: I'm an upgrade-aholic what can I say? =) |
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| 02:44.24 | smileaf | tho the kmail imap filters bug is really annoying. |
| 02:44.51 | troy | smileaf: I used to be, but spend so much time building KDE 4 stuff, that I don't want to be touching system packages that might interfere causing me to rebuild my whole KDE 4 installation... |
| 02:45.08 | tuxedup | i was hoping someone could help me. i am attempting to build kde4svn and i am as far as building soprano, but when i run cmakekde i get Could NOT find QtGlobal header does this mean it cannot find qt4? |
| 02:45.32 | smileaf | troy: very true |
| 02:46.12 | troy | tuxedup: you building soprano separately, or as part of kdesupport? |
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| 02:46.20 | aseigo | tuxedup: yes. you want to have qt-copy from kdesvn built and the QTDIR env var pointing at it |
| 02:46.57 | tuxedup | troy: i am following the steps layed out at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version |
| 02:48.12 | tuxedup | aseigo:qt-copy is built, i must have missed a command out or used the wrong command |
| 02:48.39 | roho | weird, looks like mouse gestures are disabled by default |
| 02:48.44 | troy | tuxedup: okay, I see where you are. I don't generally do that step specifically - I checkout all of kdesupport and built it all at once, and that takes care of strigi, soprano, etc. all in one shot... (plus a few other things, like taglib) |
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| 02:49.54 | wolsni | roho: yep, I imagine it's because they're really confusing if you're not expecting them |
| 02:50.07 | tuxedup | troy: i havent tried kdelibs or kdepimlibs, so i would need to do those before i could do kdesupport wouldnt i? |
| 02:50.10 | aseigo | tuxedup: does $QTDIR point to the right directory? |
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| 02:50.38 | aseigo | tuxedup: support goes first, then libs and then pimlibs |
| 02:50.54 | troy | tuxedup: yeah - but I simply build all of kdesupport using the same instructions listed for kdelibs :) |
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| 02:51.21 | troy | aseigo: instructions on website have them checking out kdesupport/strigi, kdesupport/soprano, etc. and building each separately... |
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| 02:53.19 | tuxedup | aseigo:QTDIR=$HOME/qt-copy is what my bashrc says and qt-copy is in /home/kde-devel/ |
| 02:53.47 | aseigo | troy: should probably just change that. |
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| 02:55.21 | tuxedup | troy: so should checkout kdesupport try that, then more to libs and kdepimlibs? |
| 02:56.01 | troy | tuxedup: that's what I do - since KDE 2 alpha :) |
| 02:58.19 | tuxedup | i think i can see why qt4 cant be found now, i think i checked out some things to the wrong directories so they dont match my bashrc |
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| 03:00.12 | tuxedup | thanks for the help, I will retrace my steps and check out kdesupport in one go then the othets. Thanks for the help :) |
| 03:01.19 | aseigo | troy: made the change. |
| 03:02.00 | troy | aseigo: cool - distro packagers will probably break it into chunks, but no need for us to create hassle for no reason to those testing the source... |
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| 03:02.26 | aseigo | troy: indeed. esp since they get eigen, gca and taglib this way too |
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| 03:03.29 | troy | aseigo: you do the same thing I do - switch 'q' with 'g' when typing :P must have frozen those neurons in the dead of winter or something... |
| 03:03.32 | tuxedup | sorry to bother again, but are there any guidelines for kde documentation? will they be the same between kde 3 and kde 4 or are there differences? |
| 03:07.12 | tuxedup | or stlye guides, something similar |
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| 03:10.31 | roho | hey, konversation isn't that bad |
| 03:10.37 | roho | although i still can't figure out mouse gestures for konq |
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| 03:17.35 | roho | everyone died i guess |
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| 03:19.41 | troy | roho: it's a little bit of up and down in the channel :) |
| 03:20.10 | troy | roho: and yeah, konv. is a pretty decent client :) better than ksirc that used to (possibly still does) ship as the KDE default :) |
| 03:22.34 | troy | roho: 3.5.x (which will be what you're using) is pretty solid... the real fun comes 6 months from now (more or less) when the KDE 4 rollar coaster begins :) |
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| 03:26.18 | roho | k |
| 03:26.42 | roho | when i load gmail in konq, it doesn't format the page right |
| 03:26.51 | roho | all the text runs together, there are no forms or whatever |
| 03:27.57 | A_b | tansi troy :) |
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| 03:28.29 | A_b | tansi, troy :) |
| 03:29.10 | A_b | oops |
| 03:30.13 | troy | A_b: don't actually speak cree (or any related language in that group)... |
| 03:30.14 | roho | is there some configuration option i need to set to make gmail load correctly in konq? |
| 03:30.17 | troy | A_b: :) |
| 03:30.49 | A_b | yeah i realize however you recognize the greeting :) |
| 03:31.01 | troy | roho: yeah - in konq, go to Tools->Change Browser Identification->Other->Firefox 1.5... |
| 03:31.09 | roho | 1.5 |
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| 03:31.49 | A_b | neither do i speak Cree other than greetings and a few unmentionable words that are common :P |
| 03:32.05 | roho | sweet |
| 03:32.08 | roho | thanks, troy! |
| 03:32.30 | troy | roho: like I said, it's google's fault - you'll find the same thing works for many websites that don't "work" in konq :) |
| 03:32.51 | troy | roho: the websites see that it's Konqueror and automatically assume it's unsupported... |
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| 03:38.14 | troy | roho: oh - I got another one for you -- Krita does some awsome things that the gimp cannot do... like wet painting mode, and support for professional colour management (L*a*b colour, etc...) |
| 03:39.30 | Dr_willis | I still want a Deluxe Paint Clone. :) |
| 03:40.02 | roho | krita. got it. |
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| 03:41.29 | troy | I use it for simlpe things like making thumbnails for my screenshots before I publish... but can really do so much more without the user interface headaches... |
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| 03:47.08 | roho | is kwallet worth using? |
| 03:47.12 | roho | better than revolution? |
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| 03:49.34 | roho | and where to dl it |
| 03:49.37 | timrs | it barely works for use with konqueror, but its good for things like kmail, kopete |
| 03:49.39 | roho | maybe it's not free software |
| 03:49.43 | roho | ok, timrs |
| 03:50.06 | timrs | it should come with something in kde... maybe kdenetwork? |
| 03:50.27 | roho | k |
| 03:50.43 | roho | found it! |
| 03:50.55 | roho | so konq doesn't have any saved password function? |
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| 04:02.19 | timrs | no, it uses kwallet for that |
| 04:02.26 | roho | k |
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| 04:04.59 | roho | so how do i get kmail to use kwallet? |
| 04:05.26 | timrs | hold on |
| 04:05.42 | roho | k |
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| 04:05.54 | timrs | i don't think it does... |
| 04:06.05 | nikom | it does |
| 04:06.18 | timrs | your right, just checked kwallet |
| 04:06.40 | timrs | but-- i don't know how to get kmail to use it.. |
| 04:07.16 | roho | it asked to use it |
| 04:07.23 | roho | but, for some reason it's not pulling mail off the server |
| 04:07.28 | roho | says there's no mail |
| 04:07.34 | timrs | thats strange |
| 04:07.59 | timrs | well, send urself a test email and see wat happens |
| 04:08.16 | roho | k |
| 04:09.25 | roho | yeah, no messages. |
| 04:09.34 | roho | weird. |
| 04:09.39 | timrs | no error? |
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| 04:10.42 | roho | no error |
| 04:10.44 | jetsaredim | anyone know of a kde app that will allow me to read compressed help files with .chm extension/format? |
| 04:10.52 | roho | it just says it's completed checking mail and there are no messages |
| 04:11.33 | roho | is there a way to see the mail checking procedure more verbose? |
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| 04:12.13 | roho | is it because gmail doesn't like kmail? |
| 04:12.21 | roho | i set it up the way that gmail specifies it |
| 04:12.29 | roho | and evolution never had any problems |
| 04:12.50 | timrs | jetsaredim: kchmviewer |
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| 04:13.08 | roho | i even restarted it and the same thing happened. |
| 04:13.19 | roho | if i don't leave the mail on the server will that make any difference? |
| 04:13.37 | jetsaredim | timrs: thanks |
| 04:13.43 | timrs | i have no idea why it wouldn't work and give no errors, i'm going to try gmail with konqueror right now |
| 04:14.15 | roho | aha |
| 04:14.16 | roho | got it |
| 04:14.25 | roho | gmail reset the enable pop feature. have no idea why. |
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| 04:14.38 | roho | yay |
| 04:14.51 | roho | now to just figure out how mouse gestures in konq work |
| 04:16.48 | roho | don't worry, i'll try to figure it out myself first |
| 04:16.51 | roho | (before i whine here) |
| 04:19.02 | troy | roho: you can configure mouse gestures for any KDE program if you really want to :) |
| 04:19.15 | A_b | roho, it will take some time but mouse configue is in personal settings and it requires just wandering around and seeing what is there as i am new to linux and a former win98 user |
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| 04:20.41 | A_b | I do recall seeing somewhere what you are thinking of and it might be in configure konq under settings in the browser :) |
| 04:20.55 | timrs | i didn't know gmail had a pop feature until now... so i think ill use gmail now |
| 04:21.45 | troy | timrs: I like gmail :) in particular, I find the interface to be clean and responsive and free of clutter that filles other web based mail sites... |
| 04:22.00 | roho | timrs: yeah, it's good stuff. i leave everything on the server, though, because gmail has so much space |
| 04:22.22 | roho | A_b: i found gestures in the control center under regional settings. it's enabled, but i can't figure it out |
| 04:22.25 | timrs | yeah.. it must be nice to get ur email from any computer |
| 04:22.28 | roho | i'm reading the manual now |
| 04:22.38 | roho | timrs: heck yeah. i don't know about the privacy implications, though. |
| 04:23.08 | roho | the manual is kind of crappy though |
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| 04:25.26 | timrs | OMG it worked!! i love gmail |
| 04:25.28 | A_b | cool sorry newbie but do have old pascal programing college experience from the late 80's and know how programs should function but trial and error for me now hahahha and looking forward to learning command etc through term again |
| 04:26.15 | roho | aha, i got it to work |
| 04:26.22 | A_b | cool |
| 04:26.34 | roho | it's disabled by default |
| 04:26.44 | A_b | ah |
| 04:27.31 | roho | maybe konqueror is superior to firefox after all |
| 04:27.31 | timrs | in kmail, if i have 2 accounts, how do i change who is sends messages as by default? |
| 04:27.32 | roho | ? |
| 04:28.38 | timrs | konqueror is superior -- i have soo much more control over things, its hard to give up when someone makes me use windows |
| 04:29.32 | A_b | roho, i found that konq is able to access info that ff doesn't on mine although my roomie has same (opensuse 10.2 kde) and she is able to access with ff |
| 04:29.48 | A_b | wierd |
| 04:30.16 | roho | yes, very. |
| 04:30.27 | roho | if i only had the time to learn how it all works in depth |
| 04:31.22 | A_b | i find the constant monitoring of these channels give me learning :) |
| 04:31.59 | troy | roho: actually, one of the best features of konq is the network transparency... you can put an ftp:// or http:// url into an upload form on a website and it'll just work as expected... |
| 04:32.47 | timrs | my school is a jerk and the upload thing only works in IE, not even firefox can save me.. |
| 04:32.48 | A_b | agreed troy, as i do all me downloads through konq |
| 04:33.20 | roho | troy: yeah, i saw a whole list somewhere where x:// does something |
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| 04:33.24 | roho | anyone use kget? |
| 04:33.30 | timrs | i do |
| 04:33.39 | roho | does it run all the time? |
| 04:33.43 | roho | or just when you dl something? |
| 04:33.46 | troy | nah, I find it annoying, uninstall it |
| 04:33.57 | timrs | it can automatically turn on then off when downloads start and end |
| 04:33.58 | troy | matter of taste though - they have a cult following :) |
| 04:34.45 | timrs | i think kget shouldn't be separate from konqueror, its too slow to be its own thing |
| 04:35.46 | troy | timrs: queuing and so forth is built into kdelibs for 4.0... kget is adapting to be more focused on things like handling metalinks and so forth... |
| 04:35.59 | timrs | oh.. thats good i guess |
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| 04:36.43 | roho | what's a metalink? |
| 04:38.09 | troy | roho: metalink is like a download link that allows for automatic mirror switching based on server loads... |
| 04:38.52 | troy | roho: it's slowly becoming more popular... I just wrote an article testing pc-bsd - and their download iso can be retrieved that way, for example... |
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| 04:39.55 | roho | so you go through 2 or 3 servers to get the file? |
| 04:41.50 | troy | roho: well no - it directs you to the fastest server initially, but can do load balancing between servers... |
| 04:41.55 | roho | ah |
| 04:42.04 | roho | so kget manages that? or wouldn't that be server-side? |
| 04:42.04 | troy | so as your server slows down, it'll direct the next click to a different mirror... |
| 04:42.16 | roho | cool |
| 04:42.24 | roho | what are the minitools in konq? |
| 04:42.33 | troy | I know kget handles the link, but I cannot figure out how the whole thing works :) |
| 04:42.51 | roho | heh |
| 04:42.53 | troy | roho: *shrug* never use them - play with them and find out :) |
| 04:42.56 | roho | i know the feeling! |
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| 04:42.57 | roho | alright |
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| 04:44.57 | timrs | what is with that "Damn.. wrong plug' message.. it bothers me |
| 04:46.43 | roho | so do kde developers hang out here? |
| 04:47.35 | physos | #kde-devel has some more of them |
| 04:48.05 | timrs | hey, im trying to help someone, and im wondering if anyone knows a good irc client for mac |
| 04:48.10 | roho | ircle |
| 04:48.14 | roho | that's the popular one |
| 04:48.24 | timrs | ok, thnx |
| 04:48.50 | A_b | roho, ? just hangout and try to learn :) |
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| 04:50.52 | roho | A_b: huh? |
| 04:50.57 | xnay | hi |
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| 04:51.46 | A_b | not a developer - roho |
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| 04:53.18 | roho | oh |
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| 04:56.09 | physos | heh :) |
| 04:56.58 | roho | never! |
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| 05:14.15 | timrs | it barely works, and my only problem is that i know the weather now -- id like to know a forecast |
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| 05:20.36 | roho | timrs: gdesklets works for that |
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| 05:23.34 | basanta | i need to decrease the height of desktop setting wizard box, it always goes out of monitor |
| 05:24.52 | timrs | maybe you could use keyboard commands to drag the parts of the windows you need into view |
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| 05:28.49 | basanta | timrs, is there no other ways to automate this |
| 05:30.51 | timrs | i don't know of one |
| 05:31.50 | roho | timrs: the weather applet has a forecast too |
| 05:31.54 | roho | i just can't get it all to work |
| 05:32.15 | timrs | i don't have gdesklets |
| 05:32.41 | timrs | and my both my legs fell asleep and i can't get up.. |
| 05:33.11 | roho | haha |
| 05:34.41 | timrs | seriously, how am i supposed to wake my legs up, when i can't get up to wake them up in the first place... im stuck here |
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| 05:35.35 | roho | push yourself out of the chair onto the floor |
| 05:36.27 | hacosta | are the links in kcontrol actually .desktop files? |
| 05:36.28 | timrs | that just hurts, and wats worse is the pain you don't know your experiencing cause you can't feel it |
| 05:36.32 | timrs | no |
| 05:36.43 | hacosta | then? |
| 05:36.52 | timrs | theres an editor for that i think |
| 05:37.12 | hacosta | i don't think so |
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| 05:37.39 | timrs | i know you can add stuff.. i did it b4.. |
| 05:38.08 | timrs | holy crap.. more of me was asleep than i thought, that hurt |
| 05:38.16 | hacosta | oh sure, if you install an app that contains a kcontrol module it adds itself |
| 05:38.25 | timrs | no, seriously |
| 05:38.35 | timrs | let me look |
| 05:38.39 | hacosta | kthanks |
| 05:38.42 | sabayonlive-3139 | hola |
| 05:39.15 | roho | well, if you can't feel the pain, there IS no pain. |
| 05:39.17 | roho | just push. |
| 05:39.24 | roho | then you'll get circulation back in your legs |
| 05:39.38 | timrs | it tingles!!! |
| 05:39.49 | roho | this too, shall pass. |
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| 05:40.30 | roho | timrs: what do you use to listen to music? |
| 05:40.31 | roho | amarok? |
| 05:40.34 | timrs | ya |
| 05:41.05 | roho | oh. that is lame. |
| 05:41.12 | basanta | looks like there is no way to alter the size of desktop setting wizard box |
| 05:42.03 | roho | Uptime: 4 hours and 35 minutes |
| 05:42.05 | roho | heh |
| 05:42.35 | timrs | still looking... |
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| 05:43.09 | timrs | kcontroledit |
| 05:43.19 | timrs | hacosta: kcontroledit |
| 05:44.10 | timrs | by making me help you you helped me help myself -- i needed to clean kcontrol up a bit.. |
| 05:44.15 | hacosta | timrs: zomg! |
| 05:44.38 | hacosta | thanks |
| 05:44.59 | roho | where do you specify the default web browser again? |
| 05:45.10 | Simkin | kcontrol |
| 05:45.22 | roho | yeah, but where? |
| 05:45.24 | timrs | kcontrol/ kdecomponents/ komponet editor or somehtng |
| 05:45.27 | roho | the web browser part configures konq |
| 05:45.28 | roho | k |
| 05:45.49 | timrs | kcontrol > kde components > component chooser |
| 05:45.52 | roho | i got it |
| 05:45.53 | roho | thanks |
| 05:46.23 | roho | crap, it opens an url from irc in another window instead of in a new tab in the open browser |
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| 05:46.44 | timrs | that can be fixed |
| 05:47.04 | roho | i thought i set that up already in the konq settings |
| 05:47.05 | timrs | konqueror > settings > configure konqueror > web behavior... |
| 05:47.34 | roho | yeah, i have that enabled |
| 05:48.07 | timrs | then your irc program must be using some command that forces it that way.. |
| 05:48.34 | roho | my irc program is konversation |
| 05:48.46 | timrs | i use kvirc |
| 05:48.59 | roho | hrm. |
| 05:49.03 | roho | oh well, screw it |
| 05:49.06 | roho | at least it all works |
| 05:49.14 | timrs | ya |
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| 05:51.53 | roho | man, it's too bad this kind of functionality wasn't easy for everyone. people are missing out. |
| 05:52.13 | timrs | what do you mean? |
| 05:53.41 | roho | well, my setup has taken a lot of configuration |
| 05:53.57 | roho | still can't get my sshd to accept connections though |
| 05:54.08 | timrs | oh |
| 05:54.18 | timrs | i have problems with apache.. won't work for me |
| 05:55.01 | roho | my apache works alright, but the egroupware is iffy. i don't know php, so i can't do much about it |
| 05:56.05 | roho | if i could get my sshd to work well again, then i can have this awesome setup anywhere via ssh tunnelling vnc |
| 05:56.20 | timrs | i couldn't get cookies to work -- so i did used the ?var=value thing with javascript |
| 05:56.33 | roho | my apache setup is pretty basic |
| 05:57.20 | timrs | i tried to make a symbolic link and change nothing, but apache says access denied, when everyone has permissions to view the files and i fixed up httpd.conf |
| 05:57.32 | roho | weird |
| 05:57.41 | timrs | ya |
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| 06:03.49 | timrs | cya |
| 06:03.56 | timrs | im going to bed |
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| 06:04.14 | roho | later |
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| 06:40.59 | DaSkreech | Basket has a new team? |
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| 06:43.12 | physos | DaSkreech: that's what I heard. |
| 06:44.08 | DaSkreech | neat |
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| 06:59.11 | hacosta | konqueror is not displaying favicon in tabs and location bar |
| 06:59.17 | hacosta | what can be wrong? |
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| 07:00.51 | hacosta | wait, local browsing works fine |
| 07:00.58 | hacosta | ie, i can see the little folder |
| 07:01.03 | padde | hacosta: works fine for me |
| 07:01.16 | hacosta | /s/ie/eg/ |
| 07:01.30 | hacosta | it worked fine for me also ) |
| 07:01.31 | hacosta | : |
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| 07:04.14 | padde | hacosta: did you try it with more than one site? |
| 07:04.21 | padde | hacosta: did you try deleting the cache? |
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| 07:06.16 | hacosta | letmechec |
| 07:06.18 | hacosta | k |
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| 08:16.56 | basanta | I have installed seamonkey on kde, but seamonkey menu cannot pick the system font size? |
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| 08:20.54 | oiaohm | Ok anyone know how to reguest a feature for krita in koffice. |
| 08:21.11 | oiaohm | I want verse support I can use it linked to blender. |
| 08:21.43 | DaSkreech | verse? |
| 08:21.55 | Jucato | oiaohm: try #koffice or http://bugs.kde.org |
| 08:21.57 | bram85 | oiaohm: feature requests should be submitted at http://bugs.kde.org |
| 08:22.29 | Jucato | basanta: seamonkey is not a KDE app. afaik it uses GTK/XUL, so it doesn't follow KDE font settings.that's just afaik |
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| 08:24.01 | oiaohm | verse is a form of server that is normally used between 3d tools so you can use them as one. gimp and photoshop can use verse so you can edit textures for models and see it in real time on the model. |
| 08:25.52 | basanta | Jucato, I am afraid that is true but does any one know a work around ? |
| 08:26.08 | Jucato | basanta: change the GNOME font settings? |
| 08:26.19 | DaSkreech | basanta: recode in QT? |
| 08:26.33 | Jucato | or install the gtk-qt engine that gives you a kcontrol module to do that.... |
| 08:27.05 | Jucato | oiaohm: how does gimp do it? a script? I think Krita is able to use scripts as well |
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| 08:29.49 | cybersnipe | ok need help .. using webmin,have everything setup , but when try to connect other than local system I get error "this webserver is running in ssl mode" then tells me to use localhost (im not on localhost) so I tried to setup ssh and it setup and running still nothing . can anyone help plz! |
| 08:31.07 | oiaohm | webmin normally runs in ssl mode web server where able. |
| 08:31.16 | oiaohm | I guess its not setup to server remote. |
| 08:31.35 | oiaohm | try https://servername:port/ |
| 08:31.50 | oiaohm | Sometimes that gets around webmin problem. |
| 08:32.04 | cybersnipe | servername? like dns? |
| 08:32.15 | oiaohm | dns or ip |
| 08:32.35 | cybersnipe | nope same error |
| 08:32.54 | oiaohm | You did put the port number on? |
| 08:33.01 | cybersnipe | ya |
| 08:33.05 | oiaohm | Ok what is you browser. |
| 08:33.10 | cybersnipe | firefox |
| 08:33.17 | oiaohm | Platform? |
| 08:33.24 | ardchoille | Ya know, I stayed in this channel to ask questions, but kde is so easy to use that I don't have any Q's. The kde folks did an excellent job :0 |
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| 08:33.41 | cybersnipe | im trying to use browser from xp pro |
| 08:33.54 | oiaohm | Ok that should not be giving that error. |
| 08:33.56 | RichiH | once i enable standby mode in klaptop, how can i actually try if it works? |
| 08:34.11 | oiaohm | Only though cybersnipe is that is not setup for remote access. |
| 08:34.37 | cybersnipe | ok suggestions to fix ? |
| 08:35.11 | oiaohm | Need local access check you webmin settings inside webmin. |
| 08:35.24 | cybersnipe | k |
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| 08:37.29 | cybersnipe | ok in webmin .. what am I lookn for ? |
| 08:40.07 | oiaohm | Its access controls for webmin. |
| 08:40.35 | oiaohm | Default will only accepet connections form 127.0.0.1 to login. |
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| 08:41.21 | cybersnipe | ok logged in from local ..... |
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| 08:43.53 | cybersnipe | ok if this thing is only accepting from local how do I get it to allow from other ? |
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| 08:45.50 | oiaohm | I would say get webmin manual. |
| 08:45.56 | oiaohm | It will walk you threw this. |
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| 08:47.36 | cybersnipe | ok thnx anyway |
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| 08:56.28 | prs | Hi all. |
| 08:57.02 | prs | I've got a question. |
| 08:57.41 | prs | How to make a Panel with Icons such like this on in the background window http://tinyurl.com/2exjey |
| 08:57.44 | prs | ? |
| 08:58.49 | alex[slx] | how do I stop KDE locking the desktop when it goes to the screen saver |
| 09:00.43 | Jucato | prs: that's part of the baghira theme... try researching about it. I'm not too familiar with it |
| 09:00.56 | prs | mhm |
| 09:01.40 | pinotree | alex[slx]: kde control center -> look & themes -> screensaver |
| 09:02.19 | alex[slx] | oh ok |
| 09:02.33 | alex[slx] | I thought it was something else... |
| 09:02.41 | alex[slx] | thanks |
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| 09:28.16 | apriori | hi all |
| 09:28.34 | apriori | what's the earliest way to autostart programs in kde? |
| 09:28.53 | mark_alec | save the session on logout, and then they should startup next time you login |
| 09:28.55 | apriori | in my case i want to start jackd before artsd is started, perhaps without dirty hacks |
| 09:30.05 | apriori | well, I want to go for a distro-wide solution, so I'd prefer not to use sessions |
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| 09:35.39 | RawSewage | are there any plans for this feature in Konqueror: in Icon view, you select one file, the Ctrl+Shift another file a few rows down, and it selects all files in between, instead of just files in a rectangle from corner to corner |
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| 09:35.51 | RawSewage | does that make sense |
| 09:36.06 | Jucato | nope :) |
| 09:36.09 | Jucato | j/k |
| 09:36.24 | RawSewage | Im bad at explaining things |
| 09:36.40 | Jucato | try again... |
| 09:36.51 | RawSewage | I want to select a range of files from point A to point B, while in Icon view |
| 09:37.08 | RawSewage | click file A, Ctrl+SHIFT file B, and it selects all files in between |
| 09:37.28 | RawSewage | try again? |
| 09:37.32 | Jucato | regardless of their positions? |
| 09:37.48 | RawSewage | the way it would if they were in Detail view |
| 09:37.51 | RawSewage | in order |
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| 09:38.01 | RawSewage | instead of in geometric rectangular order |
| 09:38.17 | Jucato | I personally don't think that would be appropriate for an icon view mode... |
| 09:38.31 | RawSewage | it annoys me a lot |
| 09:38.32 | Jucato | it's not a list mode in the first place... |
| 09:39.03 | RawSewage | I guess thats a no then |
| 09:39.28 | Jucato | that would be a no for me... but only personally :) |
| 09:39.35 | RawSewage | ok |
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| 10:01.45 | FuzZy | when i want to login, after writing the pass, the x restarts and returns to kdm. this is the output in the system log (Ctrl+F12): http://pastebin.ca/571788 |
| 10:02.13 | sebbar_ | hi, what's kdes standing on gplv3? |
| 10:02.13 | FuzZy | any idea? |
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| 10:08.38 | thiago | sebbar_: none |
| 10:08.45 | thiago | sebbar_: we probably can't switch at all |
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| 10:10.39 | kucrut | FuzZy: what's the permission of your home dir? |
| 10:11.22 | FuzZy | i don't know |
| 10:11.28 | FuzZy | i didn't change it at all |
| 10:11.29 | FuzZy | it used to work |
| 10:11.39 | thiago | what changed since it last worked |
| 10:11.50 | thiago | sebbar__: did you get my answer? |
| 10:12.19 | FuzZy | don't know ... |
| 10:12.38 | FuzZy | i'm using sabayon |
| 10:12.52 | FuzZy | i installed the latest nvidia drivers from the nvidia site |
| 10:13.00 | FuzZy | the latest thing i did was to install it from portage |
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| 10:15.00 | FuzZy | i tried to create another user |
| 10:15.07 | FuzZy | with the default settings |
| 10:15.11 | kucrut | and? |
| 10:15.13 | FuzZy | but i get the same error |
| 10:15.43 | sebbar__ | Fuzzy: no I didn't sorry, could you say it again? |
| 10:15.48 | kucrut | FuzZy: tried starting X without DM? (startx) |
| 10:15.58 | FuzZy | nope |
| 10:16.01 | FuzZy | let me restart |
| 10:16.06 | FuzZy | i'm on windows now |
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| 10:18.41 | sebbar__ | ah it was thiago: no sorry didn't get it |
| 10:18.48 | thiago | 12:08 < thiago> sebbar_: none |
| 10:18.48 | thiago | 12:08 < thiago> sebbar_: we probably can't switch at all |
| 10:19.16 | sebbar__ | thiago: how come? |
| 10:19.31 | sebbar__ | gpl v2 only? |
| 10:19.33 | thiago | yes |
| 10:19.36 | thiago | lots of it |
| 10:21.11 | thiago | sebbar__: we need all our GPLv2-only downstream projects to tell us first that they intend to switch to v3 or to allow dual licensing |
| 10:21.16 | thiago | sebbar__: until such time, the point is moot |
| 10:21.41 | thiago | sebbar__: only then will a discussion start on whether KDE wants to switch to v3 or not. |
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| 10:22.49 | sebbar__ | thiago: ok, let's see how the situation evolves then :) |
| 10:23.51 | thiago | sebbar__: my own feeling is that the community is divided on whether v3 is good or not. |
| 10:23.56 | thiago | sebbar__: like the kernel community |
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| 10:26.36 | lem0noid | i just installed a newer version of Xorg. Now I cannot run KDE. I can run xfce quite well, but not kde. |
| 10:26.44 | lem0noid | where do i have to make changes? |
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| 10:27.42 | sebbar__ | thiago: yeah, but seriously how many of them have actually read either one of them? I haven't myself, from what I read in the press v3 seems good to me, but then again, I probably should read the whole thing :) |
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| 10:28.37 | thiago | read the license? |
| 10:28.44 | sebbar__ | yes |
| 10:28.51 | thiago | lem0noid: what's the problem? |
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| 10:29.04 | thiago | sebbar__: I don't know. I have read them both and I can't help but agree with Linus. |
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| 10:29.38 | lem0noid | thiago: i just upgraded to xorg 7.2, and, kde results in a black X screen with a message regarding 'kdeconfig' not being able to load |
| 10:29.42 | thiago | sebbar__: GPLv3-Tivoisation would be a good license. Too bad the GPL can't be modified. |
| 10:29.52 | thiago | lem0noid: kde-config ? |
| 10:30.13 | BP{k} | Morning |
| 10:30.56 | koala_man | thiago: you support tivoisation? |
| 10:31.07 | physos | koala_man: note the - in there |
| 10:31.33 | sebbar__ | well I think the main thing is that afaik it should stop ms-novell-kind agreements... |
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| 10:31.34 | koala_man | gpl v3 minus tivoisation, I read |
| 10:32.12 | thiago | sebbar__: companies can agree on whatever they want. |
| 10:32.23 | thiago | sebbar__: whether the agreement has any impact whatsoever is something else. |
| 10:32.58 | physos | thiago: well, the fact anybody can remove additions to the license I choose for my code when redistributing my code with his changes makes me cringe. I see that as more of a problem than Tivio. I am no longer in control of the license of my code if I do not follow FSFs interpretation. |
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| 10:33.19 | thiago | physos: which is why I think Linus doesn't like the "exception" problem. |
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| 10:33.39 | thiago | physos: I think he'd like to add the exception, but make it impossible to remove it. |
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| 10:35.43 | physos | sebbar__: and thats another problem I see, FSF tries to do politics with the pressure of a software license. FSF tries to control hardware and put pressure on the patent system, nice concepts, but I think a software license is the wrong place to do so. |
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| 10:53.25 | eNTi | does anyone have an idea, what might be wrong, if my gtk apps are not themed, if i start them from any kde menus, but they ARE themed if i start them via command line? |
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| 11:08.59 | SAngeli | HI, |
| 11:09.48 | SAngeli | I wish to know if it is true that kde has a slow print interface compared to other desktop managers. Example: printing with gimp or pictures takes long through kde. |
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| 11:12.55 | thiago | SAngeli: sorry? |
| 11:14.10 | SAngeli | Well, any time I try to print a picture from linux it takes a long time to get the printer to print the picture. On the other hand, with windows and mac it gets printed almost immediately. |
| 11:14.40 | SAngeli | what makes this happening? I was told that kde is much slower that gnome or other desktop interface to print. |
| 11:16.18 | pinotree | kde's printing interface is much more powerful than gnome's one |
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| 11:17.30 | brahmana | hello |
| 11:17.33 | SAngeli | powerful but back to my question; slow? |
| 11:17.39 | brahmana | i am having problems with KPPP |
| 11:17.44 | SAngeli | pinotree, powerful but back to my question; slow? |
| 11:17.47 | brahmana | I am on Slack 11 |
| 11:18.06 | SAngeli | beside, is it not cups that is powerful rather than the desktop interface? |
| 11:18.11 | brahmana | when i try to connect using KPPP the system becomes totally non-responsive |
| 11:18.15 | brahmana | why is that so? |
| 11:18.21 | pinotree | SAngeli: never tried gnome's printing system, sorry |
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| 11:18.59 | thiago | SAngeli: there's nothing that I know of that could make it slow |
| 11:19.01 | SAngeli | not comparing it to gnome directly; just wish to know if any of you guys when have to print a picture have noticed that compared to anything other than kde is it slow |
| 11:19.01 | pinotree | SAngeli: you can have all the function you want in cups, but if the printinf system does not expose them or let you use them, then they are pointless |
| 11:19.17 | thiago | SAngeli: when you tested with GNOME, was the printing time much different? |
| 11:19.27 | SAngeli | I never tried gnome. |
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| 11:19.31 | SAngeli | I have only been told |
| 11:19.39 | pinotree | hahaha |
| 11:19.41 | SAngeli | I have always tried windows and mac |
| 11:19.41 | thiago | SAngeli: when you DID try another system, was the printing time much different? |
| 11:19.52 | thiago | you have not come here ask us if we're much slower without even trying first |
| 11:19.57 | SAngeli | time different: huge difference |
| 11:20.05 | thiago | on Linux? |
| 11:20.21 | SAngeli | Microsoft Windows and iMac Mac OS Tiger |
| 11:20.35 | SAngeli | keep in mind mac uses cups |
| 11:20.40 | SAngeli | as you sure know |
| 11:20.44 | thiago | no, I didn't |
| 11:20.57 | thiago | but I'd rather you tried a non-KDE program on Linux to test |
| 11:21.17 | SAngeli | now that I have a usb pen drive, I will perform some tests. |
| 11:21.32 | brahmana | anyone any clue? |
| 11:21.33 | SAngeli | Sorry but must step out for few minutes |
| 11:21.49 | brahmana | KPPP is making my system hang.. |
| 11:22.21 | SAngeli | If anyone has any clue, please post it if possible and I will read it or I will ask it later. I could consider that cups is not properly set but I doubt because text pages get printed fast |
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| 11:35.30 | SAngeli | brahmana, thiago pinotree I am back |
| 11:36.11 | brahmana | SAngeli: will ping you in a few minutes |
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| 11:36.25 | SAngeli | thks |
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| 11:44.17 | SAngeli | When installing a linux distro on a usb pen packages install is the same as if it would be a pc? I never used linux on a pen. Moreover, (it is a 2GB pen) what is reccomended? |
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| 11:49.25 | Sho_ | SAngeli: Better ask in the channel of the distribution you wish to use |
| 11:50.17 | SAngeli | ok |
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| 12:18.10 | BCMM | is there a list somewhere of all the languages KDE apps can be written in? |
| 12:20.47 | Skrot- | hm.. atleast C++, Python and Ruby. I think there's something going on with Java and C# as well |
| 12:21.21 | Skrot- | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages |
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| 12:24.04 | kornerr | hi |
| 12:24.08 | kornerr | can i ask about kget here? |
| 12:25.31 | icwiener_ | kornerr: Yes. |
| 12:25.55 | kornerr | i was downloading a file and the url died |
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| 12:26.06 | kornerr | can i use another url to continue the same file? |
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| 12:26.45 | icwiener_ | Never tried, but as long as the filename is the same, it should be allright. |
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| 12:28.29 | kornerr | but i can't change url... i can only add new download and that will erase the same named file... |
| 12:29.59 | icwiener_ | kornerr: Doesn't kget use .part files for incomplete downloads? |
| 12:31.20 | Pinaraf | icwiener_: it does |
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| 12:39.17 | kornerr | thanks, that works |
| 12:39.19 | kornerr | cu |
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| 12:52.42 | atidem | ciao |
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| 13:03.34 | xushi | what's kde's gui diff tool called ? |
| 13:03.56 | pinotree | kompare, kdiff3 |
| 13:03.58 | xushi | thanks |
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| 14:13.14 | spawn57 | are there any programs that are a good replacement for the panel? |
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| 14:22.40 | Dr_willis | None that i have seen worth using. But i tend to dislike os-x wanna-be-clones. |
| 14:23.04 | Dr_willis | theres a few alternative panels. but most are rather simple. some are not kde-specific also. |
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| 14:23.41 | Dr_willis | fspanel: minimalist panel for X |
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| 14:26.35 | hibread | Hey guys. Is there anyway to make scrolling (via mouse wheel) smooth? Dare i say it, like windows... |
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| 15:12.01 | xst | I have altered my monitor settings from System Settings -> Monitor&Display and now things are a bit screwed up: 1) power manager crashes upon every log in, 2) I cannot open System Settings -> Monitor & Display anymore (it crashes). What to do? |
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| 15:17.22 | pinotree | xst: you should ask in the #kubuntu channel, as system settings, monitor&display and power manager are more or less kubuntu stuff |
| 15:18.14 | xst | ok |
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| 15:29.00 | shwouchk | for some reason the kde samba share browser only sees linux shares and not windows shares or machines (on the same workgroup).. why? |
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| 15:40.37 | Lanken_ | is it possible to make the Auto Spell Check option in konversation's text-entry field enabled by default? |
| 15:41.01 | Sho_ | Lanken_: The setting is remembered across sessions |
| 15:41.32 | Jucato | Sho_: I mentioned this before right? :) |
| 15:41.46 | Lanken_ | so I leave konversation running when I shut down? |
| 15:42.13 | Sho_ | Lanken_: Where 'session' is 'a period of Konversation running' |
| 15:42.26 | Jucato | not "KDE Sessions" |
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| 15:45.44 | Lanken_ | Sho_: so if I exit conversation (ctrl-q) and then launch it again, I'll have spell-check? |
| 15:45.59 | Lanken_ | what I really want is to have spell-check even if I shut down in between. |
| 15:46.03 | Sho_ | Lanken_: If it was enabled prior to closing Konversation, yes |
| 15:46.12 | Lanken_ | I think mine might be broken. |
| 15:46.15 | Lanken_ | let me check. |
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| 15:46.47 | Jucato | mine sometimes resets to disabled after a reboot |
| 15:47.05 | Lanken | never mind :) it remembered. |
| 15:47.09 | Lanken | oh, good, maybe it's not in my head. |
| 15:49.04 | Jucato | Lanken: that's not a good reassurance though... |
| 15:49.13 | Jucato | it might mean we're both delusional :/ |
| 15:49.14 | Sho_ | Unless there's a "SpellChecking=false" in ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc (which is set when disabling it from the context menu), spell-checking should generally be enabled |
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| 15:51.32 | Sho_ | One way the behavior you're seeing could come about is if you've got "SpellChecking=false" in your config file, then start Konversation, then enable spell-checking and then crash or kill it instead of quitting it properly, because the config change is flushed out on quit. I.e. due to the crash/quit the file wouldn't be updated, and at the next start it would be disabled again. |
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| 15:52.09 | Jucato | unless Ctrl+Q is considered killing it improrperly... no... |
| 15:52.18 | Lanken | oh, hmm |
| 15:52.50 | Lanken | sometimes I do "# shutdown -h now" or "# reboot" |
| 15:52.56 | Lanken | no wonder I'm getting bad behavior |
| 15:53.29 | Lanken | ok, how do you shut down and reboot properly from the command line in kde? |
| 15:54.31 | Simonko19 | reboot |
| 15:55.12 | wolsni | Lanken: there's a dcop call you can make to ksmserver, I don't remember what it is exactly |
| 15:56.08 | Lanken | Simonko19: reboot kills processes. |
| 15:56.51 | Simonko19 | yeah |
| 15:57.01 | Simonko19 | you want to reboot by holding all processes? |
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| 15:57.29 | wolsni | Simonko19: he wants to cleanly shutdown KDE |
| 15:57.59 | wolsni | ie, save sessions and give processes a chance to flush config changes to disk and such |
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| 15:58.08 | Simonko19 | init 3 |
| 15:58.26 | Simonko19 | when it goes in runlevel 3 no x server is present |
| 15:58.30 | Simonko19 | anymore |
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| 15:59.18 | wolsni | Simonko19: i think that has the same problem |
| 16:00.17 | Simonko19 | why? i actually dont get the problem |
| 16:00.44 | wolsni | Lanken: it's "dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout int int int" but i'm not sure what the int's are supposed to be |
| 16:01.08 | Lanken | is that shutdown or reboot? |
| 16:01.15 | Lanken | (and if it's that verbose, thank god for macros) |
| 16:01.21 | Lanken | (erm, aliases) |
| 16:01.32 | Simonko19 | it just shuts down |
| 16:01.38 | wolsni | either/both, I believe |
| 16:01.41 | Simonko19 | all the services you have defined in |
| 16:01.47 | Simonko19 | runlevel 5 |
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| 16:02.05 | wolsni | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-linux&m=115770988603387&w=2 |
| 16:02.43 | shwouchk | for some reason the kde samba share browser only sees linux shares and not windows shares or machines (on the same workgroup).. why? |
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| 16:03.21 | Simonko19 | have you started |
| 16:03.24 | Simonko19 | smb service? |
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| 16:09.13 | shwouchk | Simonko19: of cours |
| 16:09.25 | shwouchk | Simonko19: how would I otherwise see linux shares? |
| 16:09.39 | zarath | Hi, is it possible to change the icon of an applet in the KDE panel? I am using KDE 3.5.2 |
| 16:10.48 | wolsni | zarath: depends on the applet, mostly no |
| 16:10.53 | Simonko19 | i thought you are talking about your shares on your pc |
| 16:11.05 | wolsni | or rather, not without changing icon sets |
| 16:11.10 | Simonko19 | maybe there is a conflict with localhost names of windows pcs? |
| 16:11.16 | zarath | wolsni, I want to change Kjobviewr and the trash can |
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| 16:12.07 | wolsni | look at the configuration options for the applets yourself |
| 16:12.30 | zarath | wolsni, thanks for stating the obvious. |
| 16:12.33 | wolsni | ie, clict on the arrow on the grippy bar next to the applet and choose configure |
| 16:12.40 | zarath | ;) |
| 16:12.51 | zarath | Doesn't work. |
| 16:13.05 | wolsni | i'm just saying that options that aren't there, probably don't exist |
| 16:13.17 | zarath | Works for the applications, not the applets. I suppose an alternative would be to add a link to kjobviewer as an application and then change the icon |
| 16:13.36 | zarath | wolsni, thanks; i'll give it a go. |
| 16:13.45 | wolsni | there's a kjobviewer applet? |
| 16:13.53 | zarath | yes |
| 16:14.03 | aseigo | zarath: it depends on the applet. many do not support changing icons around, no. |
| 16:14.06 | zarath | KDE 3.5.2 |
| 16:14.22 | wolsni | oh, you mean system tray icon |
| 16:14.28 | zarath | yes |
| 16:15.10 | wolsni | then my advice was slightly misleading, but i think you'd still need to change the iconset to tweak that icon |
| 16:16.52 | zarath | ok, thanks! |
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| 16:37.27 | Artimus | Is there anyway I can make Konqueror open text files with funky ASCII characters? On a terminal, I look at it through "cat FILE | more" (less and most don't work right). Konqueror says "receiving corrupt data" when I try to open it |
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| 16:39.16 | wolsni | if you open it in kwrite or kedit does it work? |
| 16:39.33 | Artimus | I really didn't want to have to install kedit for this (kedit is smaller than kwrite, right?) |
| 16:43.12 | timrs | if it doesn't work in one kde-app, it shouldn't work in the others because i think they're all using the advanced text editor kio slave thing |
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| 16:43.54 | Artimus | Konqueror's built in support (which can view regular text files) doesn't work. |
| 16:44.02 | Artimus | I've seen the little "thumbnail" view work, though |
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| 16:45.36 | ma_b | Hello. Can I change the keyboard layout easily without creating a xmodmap? I would like to have the german „ " somewhere on the keyboard. |
| 16:46.40 | timrs | yes .. kcontrol > regional & accessibility > keyboard layout |
| 16:47.09 | timrs | and you can make it show something in the systray so you can switch the layouts easier |
| 16:48.34 | ma_b | timrs: But there are only the preconfigured layouts? I'd like to change § for „ for example. |
| 16:48.39 | Artimus | wolsni: kedit works |
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| 16:49.23 | wolsni | sounds like konqueror is trying to use the wrong kpart to open the file maybe? |
| 16:49.39 | wolsni | does it list the right mimetype for that file? |
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| 16:51.05 | Artimus | wolsni: Well, I didn't have kedit before. Konqueror's built in text editor wasn't working. Now, I'll just let it open in kedit. |
| 16:51.25 | wolsni | cool cool |
| 16:51.37 | Artimus | At least kedit didn't take too long to compile |
| 16:52.10 | timrs | ma_b: i don't think you can add more.. i've looked all over and don't see a way |
| 16:52.48 | ma_b | timrs: So xmodmap is the only way to change the layout.:( damn. I just want to use the german „" :) without copy/paste. |
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| 16:53.13 | timrs | ma_b: there probably is, i just can't find it |
| 16:53.22 | ma_b | :) |
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| 16:56.46 | ma_b | Can setxkbmap temporarily alter a key? |
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| 17:47.17 | oGALAXYo | OSX oder VISTA ? |
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| 17:50.37 | Simkin | osx is far superior to vista oGALAXYo, if that's what you're asking. |
| 17:50.48 | oGALAXYo | is it ? |
| 17:50.59 | oGALAXYo | i recently saw vista from a colleague of mine.. it was quite impressive. |
| 17:51.15 | Simkin | what did you like about it? |
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| 17:51.24 | Simkin | almost ever feature of the desktop was copied from osx. |
| 17:51.47 | oGALAXYo | yeah |
| 17:51.47 | nikom | Ick. Take it to ##windows or #macos |
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| 18:04.58 | padde | vista looks soooo old next to a nicely configured KDE + beryl ;) |
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| 18:07.21 | annma | not sure about beryl but kwin_composite is way better than compiz |
| 18:08.48 | padde | annma: it doesn't make stuff wobble, rotating cubes, and so on ;) oh, and the window decorator that comes with beryl (emerald) is also very nice and configurable.. |
| 18:09.00 | nikom | I'm hoping for a collective "Oh crap!" from Apple and Microsoft once KDE 4 hits the streets :) |
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| 18:09.27 | annma | padde: no? |
| 18:09.43 | annma | not the rotating cube but all the rest plus more!!! |
| 18:09.57 | padde | annma: huh? didn't know that |
| 18:10.04 | annma | kwin_composite padde |
| 18:10.08 | annma | in kDE4 |
| 18:10.24 | padde | annma: ah... that kwin, in kde4 ;) |
| 18:10.33 | padde | annma: i'm speaking of the present... not the distant future :P |
| 18:10.45 | annma | yeah? I run it |
| 18:11.24 | padde | annma: I nearly crushed my table last time an application crashed... so I think you wouldn't recommend using kde4 to me, yet... would you? ;) |
| 18:11.50 | annma | why not? |
| 18:12.03 | annma | you can run kde3 apps in kde4 |
| 18:12.15 | annma | like I do now with konversation as it is not ported |
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| 18:13.31 | padde | perhaps later. |
| 18:13.47 | padde | gnite! |
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| 18:30.12 | aarcane | hello there |
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| 18:30.30 | aarcane | I'm trying to configure KDM on a headless machine to allow connections via XDMCP |
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| 18:31.08 | aarcane | however, the computer running KDM has no video card or monitor, so I can't just run kde control center to set it up |
| 18:31.41 | aarcane | so I need to know what entries to put into the config file |
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| 18:35.32 | firedrops | aarcane, why configuring kdm in a computer without video card? |
| 18:35.58 | annma | yes I was asking myself the same |
| 18:35.59 | aarcane | firedrops, for XDMCP. the machine is for running applications on remotely |
| 18:36.07 | firedrops | ah |
| 18:36.14 | firedrops | didn't read that |
| 18:36.24 | aarcane | heh |
| 18:36.31 | firedrops | hmm personally i don't know |
| 18:36.33 | firedrops | if u find |
| 18:36.35 | firedrops | do tell me |
| 18:36.38 | firedrops | i need smth from there |
| 18:37.11 | annma | what can't you configure then? |
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| 18:37.44 | aarcane | I'm looking at /opt/kde/share/kdm/config/kdmrc, and it says enable = true and port = 177, but there's no process listening on port 177 |
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| 18:38.19 | nikom | You restarted kdm, i gather? |
| 18:38.34 | aarcane | several times |
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| 18:39.14 | thiago | aarcane: did you check UDP port 177? |
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| 18:40.40 | aarcane | okay, sudo nmap kropstnega -p 177 -sU |
| 18:40.40 | aarcane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.25 | thiago | how about netstat instead of nmap? |
| 18:43.15 | aarcane | I don't see anything listening on port 177, neither UDP or TCP |
| 18:44.01 | thiago | what command did you run? |
| 18:44.38 | aarcane | netstat |
| 18:45.15 | thiago | did you tell netstat to show ports in listening state? |
| 18:45.40 | aarcane | how do I do that ? |
| 18:45.51 | thiago | did you bother to read the manual? |
| 18:47.09 | aarcane | it lists XDMCP as UDP |
| 18:47.21 | aarcane | so I guess it's either a communication error, or a client error.... |
| 18:47.43 | thiago | do you have any firewall turned on? |
| 18:48.18 | aarcane | none |
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| 18:50.14 | prs | Anyone know where I can set up, that akregator will show me only Unreaded messages by default? |
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| 19:17.12 | GraveDigger | hey there! |
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| 19:18.29 | GraveDigger | i have a problem with kde on opensuse 10.2 - after upgrading (from a fresh installation) to kde3.5.7 (using the suse packages from the KDE:KDE3 repository) the whole system seems to be blowed up! many kio slaves fail to load, like kio_imaps, or kio_sysinfo |
| 19:19.11 | GraveDigger | well, the error message is in german, so i better dont attempt to translate it myself |
| 19:19.27 | GraveDigger | but it says, that klauncher is unable to to load those kio slaves |
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| 19:19.55 | GraveDigger | in fact, whole email stuff does not work anymore, since all kio_imaps, kio_imap4 are not working anymore |
| 19:20.07 | GraveDigger | i cannot browse samba shares since kio_smb fails to load |
| 19:20.10 | GraveDigger | and so on.... |
| 19:20.32 | GraveDigger | i have tried it with a completely new user and got the same result |
| 19:20.52 | GraveDigger | funny is, that on my laptop, having installed the same packages, kde works fine |
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| 19:21.09 | GraveDigger | has anyone faced similar issues or even knows a solution? |
| 19:24.18 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 19:25.00 | pi1l | is kde 4 in useable and downloadable condition, have anyone tried it? |
| 19:25.17 | annma | downloadable? |
| 19:25.32 | annma | explain what you would like |
| 19:25.49 | pinotree | pi1l: no |
| 19:25.58 | pinotree | (for the useable part, i mean) |
| 19:26.14 | pinotree | for the downloadable part, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
| 19:26.18 | annma | and probably no for the "downloadable" |
| 19:27.44 | pi1l | thank you |
| 19:29.04 | MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! |
| 19:29.16 | annma | try a live cd if you want to see it safely, wait for next beta release |
| 19:29.57 | Tm_T | MinceR: I wonder where you see any gentlemen |
| 19:30.31 | Tm_T | what |
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| 19:30.43 | pinotree | friendly :) |
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| 19:32.00 | timrs | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Four+Live?content=57117 has the live-cd |
| 19:32.17 | timrs | pi1l: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Four+Live?content=57117 |
| 19:34.54 | GraveDigger | okay, i got it! there were two packages installed that had conflicting files in them |
| 19:35.14 | GraveDigger | so the 32bit libs from kde-3.5.5 were conflicting with the newer files from 3.5.7 |
| 19:35.27 | GraveDigger | and unfortunately the older files were kept |
| 19:35.30 | GraveDigger | :/ |
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| 19:38.49 | busfahrer | Hi, are there programs similar to gkrellm2 for KDE? |
| 19:39.34 | aseigo | busfahrer: ksim |
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| 19:41.51 | pinotree | (gkrellm is way better than ksim, though) |
| 19:42.02 | Sho_ | busfahrer: And there is a boatload of monitoring stuff for SuperKaramba |
| 19:42.17 | Sho_ | busfahrer: on kde-apps.org |
| 19:42.26 | busfahrer | Sho_: Cheers. You are omnipresent btw. |
| 19:42.28 | busfahrer | ;-) |
| 19:42.40 | Sho_ | busfahrer: I develop an IRC client, so naturally I'm an addict ;) |
| 19:43.06 | MinceR | while true; do find /proc -exec cat {} \; ;sleep 1;done |
| 19:43.07 | MinceR | :> |
| 19:43.28 | MinceR | in konsole |
| 19:43.55 | busfahrer | The ksim package doesn't seem to install a binary? |
| 19:45.09 | pinotree | busfahrer: it's a panel |
| 19:45.25 | pinotree | so, right click on the panel -> add new panel -> ksim |
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| 19:47.25 | busfahrer | cheers. |
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| 20:44.23 | coreymon77 | hi everyone |
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| 20:44.45 | coreymon77 | i heard that kde4 will no longer be x-reliant |
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| 20:44.59 | coreymon77 | meaning that you will be able to use is on any os |
| 20:45.04 | coreymon77 | is that true? |
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| 20:47.35 | bram85 | coreymon77: any OS is a bit too extreme |
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| 20:47.56 | bram85 | coreymon77: KDE 4 will be available on Linux, Mac and Windows |
| 20:48.08 | bram85 | coreymon77: the Linux version still depends on Xorg |
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| 20:48.54 | coreymon77 | bram85: thats what i meant |
| 20:48.59 | coreymon77 | bram85: i meant the 3 main oses |
| 20:49.13 | coreymon77 | bram85: so once it comes out, i could hac a mac latop with kde? |
| 20:49.45 | bram85 | it's not a hack then :) |
| 20:50.06 | coreymon77 | bram85:you talking to me? |
| 20:50.28 | coreymon77 | bram85: i mean have kde natvely on it |
| 20:50.47 | coreymon77 | bram85: without any hacking involved |
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| 20:51.03 | apokryphos | bsd too, I'm sure ;) |
| 20:51.14 | coreymon77 | would that include all the kde programs |
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| 20:52.01 | apokryphos | any one that people ensure compiles properly on windows, yes |
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| 20:53.14 | coreymon77 | apokryphos: who cares about windows, im talking about a mac |
| 20:53.23 | apokryphos | same answer |
| 20:53.25 | coreymon77 | apokryphos: for example, would i be able to use konversation on a mac |
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| 20:53.55 | apokryphos | if the konversation devs ensure that it compiles on mac, then yes. Everything should be available for them to make that possible |
| 20:54.05 | Sho_ | coreymon77: You can, via Fink |
| 20:54.16 | Sho_ | coreymon77: http://www.eikehein.com/files/konvi-osx.png |
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| 20:57.51 | coreymon77 | Sho_: oh, but is that native or emulated? |
| 20:58.00 | Sho_ | coreymon77: Native. |
| 20:58.04 | coreymon77 | oh |
| 20:58.09 | coreymon77 | ill keep that in mind then |
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| 20:58.47 | Sho_ | coreymon77: http://finkproject.org/ has actively maintained KDE packages for Mac OS X |
| 20:59.22 | coreymon77 | wait a sec |
| 20:59.34 | coreymon77 | fink installs debs on macos? |
| 20:59.40 | coreymon77 | that cant be normal |
| 20:59.45 | Sho_ | coreymon77: Sorta. It does use dpkg internally. |
| 21:00.03 | coreymon77 | isnt that pretty much the same as alien with rpms? |
| 21:00.22 | Sho_ | coreymon77: I don't know 'alien', sorry. rpm and deb do similar things, yes. |
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| 21:00.41 | imagine | is there software with KDE that teach spanish? |
| 21:00.44 | coreymon77 | w/e |
| 21:00.47 | coreymon77 | anyways |
| 21:00.53 | coreymon77 | you can already get kde on a mac? |
| 21:01.01 | coreymon77 | since when? |
| 21:01.03 | Sho_ | coreymon77: For several years, yes |
| 21:01.16 | imagine | yes... with X11 |
| 21:01.22 | imagine | remmeber that OSX is based on BSD |
| 21:01.43 | coreymon77 | oh |
| 21:01.45 | coreymon77 | good point |
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| 21:02.08 | Sho_ | That's a simple way to put it, but it does use some amount of BSD code and is overall pretty compatible with legacy UNIX and provides good POSIX support. |
| 21:03.08 | Sho_ | coreymon77: Apple offers an X11 server for Mac OS X, as download for 10.3 and on the DVD in 10.4, that makes X11 windows appear on the regular OS X desktop. The Fink KDE packages are native Mac OS X applications that use Apple's X11 server as display system. |
| 21:03.15 | Sho_ | Just as you see in that screenie up there |
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| 21:05.14 | imagine | is there software with KDE that teach spanish? |
| 21:07.16 | coreymon77 | thats interesting |
| 21:07.19 | coreymon77 | i never knew that |
| 21:08.00 | Sho_ | coreymon77: Fink is simple to install and offers a nice and easy graphical package management GUI called "Fink Commander"; check it out some time |
| 21:08.04 | coreymon77 | than whats the difference between the way it works now and the way it will work once kde4 comes out |
| 21:08.13 | coreymon77 | is there any difference? |
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| 21:08.27 | coreymon77 | Sho_: i dont have a mac yet |
| 21:08.40 | coreymon77 | Sho_: its just that the next computer i plan to get will be a mac |
| 21:09.13 | Sho_ | coreymon77: In KDE 4 we might be able to use the version of the Qt library that uses OS X' display system directly, rather than go through X11, and perhaps use the native OS X UI skin that way |
| 21:09.18 | thiago | KDE 4 for Mac will be native applications, not X11 |
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| 21:09.25 | thiago | so they will feel like Mac apps |
| 21:09.29 | Simkin | qt4 does not use x11 |
| 21:09.31 | Sho_ | coreymon77: You'll notice that Konvi on OS X in that screenie looks like it does on Linux, not like an OS X app |
| 21:09.32 | Simkin | i don't think qt3 does either though |
| 21:09.43 | coreymon77 | ya |
| 21:09.49 | coreymon77 | thats why i thought it was emulated |
| 21:09.50 | thiago | Simkin: Qt3/Mac doesn't, Qt3/X11 does. |
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| 21:09.56 | thiago | Simkin: there is no KDE 3 for Qt3/Mac. |
| 21:10.00 | coreymon77 | it looked out of place |
| 21:10.11 | Sho_ | Nope, it's not emulated - it's built for and running on OS X |
| 21:10.12 | Sho_ | anyhow, TV |
| 21:10.13 | Sho_ | bbl |
| 21:10.15 | Simkin | the mac is rather inferior to a linux box though |
| 21:10.22 | Simkin | i like my mac for some things though |
| 21:10.34 | oGALAXYo | Simkin: what kind of mac do you own ? |
| 21:10.35 | Simkin | i wish we had kMovieHD |
| 21:10.35 | coreymon77 | does this mean that you can sue apt on a mac? |
| 21:10.39 | coreymon77 | use* |
| 21:10.48 | thiago | coreymon77: sure you can |
| 21:10.49 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: i have a Mac Mini (original g4) and a mac book pro (intel dual core) |
| 21:10.51 | coreymon77 | wow |
| 21:10.52 | thiago | coreymon77: just compile and use it. |
| 21:11.00 | coreymon77 | im happy |
| 21:11.02 | thiago | coreymon77: your problem is: do you know of any APT repositories for Mac? |
| 21:11.17 | coreymon77 | bu |
| 21:11.18 | coreymon77 | t |
| 21:11.28 | coreymon77 | i thought this thing allowed you to use debs on a mac |
| 21:11.29 | coreymon77 | ? |
| 21:11.42 | pinotree | coreymon77: a) APT is offtopic here |
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| 21:11.50 | coreymon77 | anyways |
| 21:11.54 | pinotree | coreymon77: b) mac is offtopic here |
| 21:11.54 | oGALAXYo | Simkin: cool.. i was just on the apple.com store site but their prices are totally expensive... i am playing with the idea in buying either a macbook or a normal notebook (with vista)... cant decide.. |
| 21:11.55 | Mirrakor | anyone knows if there's a GRAMPS channel? |
| 21:12.02 | pinotree | c) do your conclusions |
| 21:12.06 | thiago | coreymon77: you are. But, like I said, do you know any repository for that? |
| 21:12.08 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: macbook over vista for sure. |
| 21:12.10 | thiago | but, yeah, off-topic. |
| 21:12.16 | coreymon77 | oh |
| 21:12.19 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: my friend has a vista notebook |
| 21:12.29 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: and he drewls over the macbook pro. |
| 21:12.39 | Sho_ | coreymon77: Fink does use .debs and dpkg, but it has its own package repository |
| 21:12.43 | imagine | oGALAXYo: I'd buy 3 macbooks pro before buying Vista O/S without laptops |
| 21:12.59 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: but then i have another friend who has a asus notebook with vista on it. he's pretty darn happy with that. |
| 21:13.01 | imagine | Vista's gonna get it's ass handed to him |
| 21:13.11 | imagine | its* |
| 21:13.23 | oGALAXYo | Simkin: well i know the capabilities of macos and vista... but clearly. i dont care much for eyecandy.. i go for "functionality" i want to get my work done... efficient.. with all the tools that i need.. with all that our customers deal with. |
| 21:13.23 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: the thing is. with the macbook, you're gonna get leapord |
| 21:13.35 | Simkin | vista is what OSX is now.. and has been, for 2 years + |
| 21:13.41 | coreymon77 | so basically, the difference between using this fink thing now and the way its gonna be for kde4 is that in kde 4 it will look more like a mac, it will be more native, rahter thanfeeling lioke linux |
| 21:13.48 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: that's what's so great about the mac, the ilife suite! |
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| 21:13.54 | Sho_ | coreymon77: yes |
| 21:14.03 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: plus i think thunderbird runs far better on the mac than windows. |
| 21:14.09 | coreymon77 | oh |
| 21:14.12 | coreymon77 | oaky |
| 21:14.22 | Simkin | oGALAXYo: plus mysql and apache run better on a mac than windows (cause of the freebsd base no doubt) |
| 21:14.29 | imagine | hey for the third time.. is there any spanish teacher software on KDE? |
| 21:14.52 | aseigo | imagine: there is the vocabulary app, but that's all i know of |
| 21:14.59 | oGALAXYo | Simkin: i dont care much for ilife.. i am more about.. project management, syncing my pocketpc WM5/WM6 (which still is a fucking PITA with linux), graphics, browsing, mailing, pim.. |
| 21:14.59 | aseigo | imagine: hardly a full language teaching app |
| 21:15.13 | Sho_ | imagine: http://edu.kde.org/kverbos/ |
| 21:15.14 | oGALAXYo | aseigo: its the #aseigo channel :( |
| 21:15.17 | Simkin | imagine: kverbos |
| 21:15.19 | imagine | aseigo: hmm I see.. thx. I'm more into vocal learning.. vocab comes after |
| 21:15.26 | oGALAXYo | %s/:(/:)/g |
| 21:15.28 | Simkin | imagine: it might already be installed |
| 21:15.32 | Simkin | oh vocal learning |
| 21:15.35 | imagine | yes |
| 21:15.38 | Simkin | imagine: do what i did. www.btjunkie.com |
| 21:15.46 | imagine | bitjunkie.. |
| 21:15.46 | Simkin | and download the spanish tutorials |
| 21:15.49 | Simkin | they're audio books |
| 21:16.11 | imagine | nice |
| 21:16.11 | imagine | I shall |
| 21:16.11 | Simkin | I listened to it for about a month on my way too and from work. |
| 21:16.12 | nikom | http://www.gocomics.com/thefifthwave/2007/06/17/ haw! |
| 21:16.12 | imagine | I need to learn that freakin language.. can't get started |
| 21:17.19 | imagine | Simkin: nice |
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| 21:19.07 | Simkin | De Nada! |
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| 21:32.55 | pinotree | now stop that. |
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| 22:17.58 | timrs | ello |
| 22:21.25 | timrs | i take it this channels been quiet for some time now.. |
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| 22:24.29 | pablo__ | anyone here i cant get my sound to work on sab |
| 22:28.46 | bram85 | pablo__: not related to KDE, try in your distro channel please |
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| 23:08.55 | S0NiCaw | gn8 |
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| 23:11.11 | undesktop | why does it take so awfully much time to close a file in Kate? |
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| 23:16.59 | tuxick | undesktop: i had that problem for a while but it went ago with next upgrade |
| 23:17.07 | tuxick | away too |
| 23:17.20 | undesktop | <- 2.5.7 |
| 23:17.29 | undesktop | on Debian unstable |
| 23:17.41 | undesktop | (KDE 3.5.7) |
| 23:17.47 | tuxick | and qt? |
| 23:18.06 | tuxick | 3.3.8 here |
| 23:18.39 | undesktop | looks like 3.3.7 |
| 23:18.52 | undesktop | "Source: qt-x11-free (3:3.3.7-4)" |
| 23:19.02 | undesktop | "Version: 3:3.3.7-4+b1" |
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| 23:30.09 | moshii | mm Is it possible to control an applications menu's via dcop? I'd like to get kvoctrain to do random tests but can't find anything in it |
| 23:30.21 | moshii | s dcop interface to start a test |
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| 23:33.04 | aseigo | moshii: you could look at the qobject bridge in the dcop interfaces.. not sure if it has everything you'd need though |
| 23:34.36 | moshii | aseigo: ok, I'll have a lookie. |
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