| 00:00.04 | hays | spoofing IE makes it want ActiveX : |
| 00:00.06 | hays | heh |
| 00:00.58 | lontra | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.36 | thiago | upgrade KDE to 3.5.7 |
| 00:01.40 | Lucas_Panurge | como eh q faz prasair do away no xchat? |
| 00:01.56 | thiago | Google has broken GMail since 3.5.5 was released, so Konqueror needs to be updated |
| 00:02.00 | thiago | Lucas_Panurge: type: /away |
| 00:02.04 | thiago | Lucas_Panurge: and speak English. |
| 00:02.10 | Lucas_Panurge | ok |
| 00:02.18 | Lucas_Panurge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.18 | Lucas_Panurge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.23 | lontra | thiago: what id in 3.5.7? |
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| 00:04.00 | thiago | Lucas_Panurge: try /back then |
| 00:04.12 | hays | thiago: sad that gmail is so nonstandard |
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| 00:05.56 | Lucas_Panurge | thanks |
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| 00:07.13 | lontra | how do i pull in the oxygen icons? |
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| 00:13.25 | jriachi | hello |
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| 00:16.29 | StarScream | lontra: you have an svn version of kde4 ? |
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| 00:31.50 | CoolGuy21 | hi |
| 00:32.48 | lontra | is websvn.kde.org down? |
| 00:33.25 | Infadel | PING websvn.kde.org (134.2.170.97): 56 data bytes |
| 00:33.25 | Infadel | 64 bytes from 134.2.170.97: icmp_seq=0 ttl=39 time=505.497 ms |
| 00:33.25 | Infadel | 64 bytes from 134.2.170.97: icmp_seq=1 ttl=39 time=505.921 ms |
| 00:33.25 | Infadel | --- websvn.kde.org ping statistics --- |
| 00:33.26 | Infadel | 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 00:33.28 | Infadel | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 505.497/505.709/505.921/0.212 ms |
| 00:33.30 | Infadel | sorry |
| 00:33.34 | Infadel | thought it would be more quiet |
| 00:34.43 | lontra | strange konqi won't connect :/ |
| 00:35.10 | Infadel | whatsa konqi? |
| 00:35.24 | Infadel | whats the error? |
| 00:36.55 | lontra | konqueror ... not an error it's just not loading it |
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| 00:38.27 | jriachi | yeah, it seems down |
| 00:39.17 | jriachi | lontra: are you trying http, https , svn+http? |
| 00:39.33 | lontra | http://websvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/ |
| 00:41.16 | jriachi | even elinks gives me timeout |
| 00:42.36 | jriachi | _____/\_____\o/_____ |
| 00:42.43 | jriachi | shark attack! |
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| 00:49.28 | simmerz | When I browse my bluetooth phone in sdp://phonename I have a HID Mouse & Keyboard. but double clicking it doesn't do anything as its unrecognised. any idea how to make it do something? |
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| 00:51.01 | jriachi | simmerz: i guess that double clicking wont work, because you don't double click on your "usb mouse",,, i have no idea, how to make it work |
| 00:51.36 | simmerz | ok. what I'm actually trying to do is the reverse of hidd --connect |
| 00:51.37 | jriachi | (i always wanted to have a mouse in my phone... sounds cools, specially for slideshows :) ) |
| 00:52.04 | simmerz | hidd --connect works, but I'd love instead to be able to have the phone connect and create the hidd session on request |
| 00:52.11 | simmerz | instead of having to initiate it from the laptop |
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| 00:54.06 | simmerz | ah, just have to put --server in HIDD_OPTIONS |
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| 00:55.31 | MinceR | sharks are better represented by _)\_, imo |
| 00:56.08 | simmerz | jriachi: it is useful, especially for slideshows etc |
| 00:56.24 | jriachi | MinceR: :) GPL ascii-art |
| 00:56.25 | simmerz | business presentations where you want to move about too without being confined |
| 00:56.41 | jriachi | _____)\_____\o/_____ |
| 00:57.33 | MinceR | :) |
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| 01:04.51 | jriachi | in konqueror (3.5.4), can i use the middle button to scroll (instead of pasting urls?) |
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| 01:05.32 | wolsni | jriachi: i'm pretty sure you can |
| 01:05.49 | jriachi | wolsni: any idea on how to do it? |
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| 01:07.07 | wolsni | jriachi: if you go to Web Behavior in the config for Konqueror and disable "Middle click opens URL in selection" it switches to scrolling with the middle click |
| 01:07.23 | wolsni | this is in 3.5.6 but I think the feature's been there a while |
| 01:07.51 | jriachi | wolsni: you are right :) |
| 01:08.10 | jriachi | thanks a lot, man |
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| 01:36.00 | joe85 | hello |
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| 01:56.17 | summatusmentis | what do I need to be able to do http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/audio-cd.html? I'm using gentoo and kde 3.5 |
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| 01:59.03 | bonbonthejon | summatusmentis: looks like it should do it automatically |
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| 01:59.23 | summatusmentis | bonbonthejon: yeah, but i don't have those options under kcontrol |
| 01:59.38 | bonbonthejon | summatusmentis: otherwise it mentions KAudioCreator |
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| 01:59.58 | summatusmentis | yeah, working on that now, but I'd like that capability |
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| 02:00.05 | bonbonthejon | summatusmentis: I know with kubuntu there are other kcontrol packages that you can install |
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| 02:01.31 | hagabaka | is Dominos still the hottest GUI style, or is there something better i should try? |
| 02:01.44 | Lanken | motif =D |
| 02:02.19 | hagabaka | eww... |
| 02:02.19 | Lanken | domino annoys me, it's buggy. |
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| 02:02.20 | Lanken | motif is ugly for some things, like text entry regions and dialog box buttons |
| 02:02.35 | Lanken | but it's pretty nice for tabs and scrollbars |
| 02:03.59 | summatusmentis | bonbonthejon: using gentoo... I can't find it, I'm sure there's something I'm missing from the kdebase |
| 02:04.11 | Jucato | Lanken: buggy in what way? |
| 02:05.40 | hagabaka | it has problems with firefox and something else's scrollbars, and the button on the left of kmail's progress bar sometimes, but otherwise it's fine for me |
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| 02:07.12 | bonbonthejon | hagabaka: I've had the problem of the arrows on the scroll bar turn all pink or get vertical lines |
| 02:07.23 | bonbonthejon | s/horizontal/vertical |
| 02:07.41 | Jucato | well, firefox isn't a Qt/KDE app, so I'm not surprised that Domino isn't working well with it |
| 02:08.01 | wolsni | hagabaka: serenity |
| 02:09.07 | hagabaka | i remember seeing it once |
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| 02:20.45 | Lanken | Jucato: hmm, there are a few ways |
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| 02:21.05 | Lanken | Jucato: if it runs out of space and makes a "click here for the rest of the gui elements" button, that button won't work |
| 02:21.25 | Jucato | hm? |
| 02:21.43 | Lanken | Jucato: also, it kind of makes a hash of the "close" button that appears if you hover over an icon in a konqi tab |
| 02:21.48 | Lanken | if you have that setting |
| 02:21.53 | Lanken | (I really like that setting, by the way) |
| 02:22.44 | Jucato | Lanken: hover over the icon, not replace the icon right? |
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| 02:22.44 | Jucato | btw, confirmed the first one |
| 02:22.45 | Jucato | er actually wait... |
| 02:23.06 | Lanken | second one isn't too bad. |
| 02:23.07 | Jucato | Lanken: you have to click and hold. you'll notice there's a down arrow on the button (for your first bug) |
| 02:23.10 | Lanken | I thought it was worse |
| 02:23.29 | Lanken | aha. |
| 02:23.37 | Lanken | clicking and holding works |
| 02:23.46 | Lanken | but it would take a patient man to discover that. :) |
| 02:24.19 | Jucato | actually I just took a look at the button and discovered that |
| 02:24.37 | Lanken | the button "looks" as though you have to hold it down? |
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| 02:25.09 | Jucato | KDE convention. if the button has a down arrow at the bottom right corner, that means you have to hold the click to drop down the other options |
| 02:26.32 | Lanken | but in other styles it appears immediately |
| 02:26.36 | Jucato | but I'll try to ask about this behavior... whether plastik's implementation is more correct |
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| 02:26.54 | Lanken | anyway, motif is now doing the same annoying thing with konqi tabs |
| 02:26.58 | Lanken | maybe it was doing it all along |
| 02:27.01 | Lanken | : |
| 02:27.03 | Lanken | :\ |
| 02:28.30 | ruinevil | safari for windows |
| 02:28.42 | ruinevil | a working khtml client |
| 02:29.12 | Jucato | O.o |
| 02:29.28 | Jucato | not even 100% true. safari doesn't use 100% khtml |
| 02:29.48 | ruinevil | i guess |
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| 02:30.08 | ruinevil | still hasnt gone over 100mb of ram tho |
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| 02:30.30 | ruinevil | so right now i like it more than ie or firefox |
| 02:30.33 | n8k99 | Jucato isn't webkit wrapped around khtml |
| 02:30.47 | Jucato | I think "wrapped" isn't the correct term for it |
| 02:31.03 | wolsni_ | n8k99: more like "a modified version of" |
| 02:31.08 | Jucato | afaik webkit is a fork of khtml... a heavily modified fork |
| 02:31.32 | n8k99 | hey! that hurts! |
| 02:31.39 | Jucato | :) |
| 02:31.46 | Jucato | well, then "merge" to stop the hurting :P |
| 02:31.54 | n8k99 | lawl |
| 02:31.56 | Jucato | apparently, Apple isn't hurt by the "fork" :D |
| 02:32.27 | n8k99 | no- i found it to be a timely annoucement as i have a report on web browsers due friday |
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| 02:33.22 | Jucato | technically I thought it would be easier to port it to *nix though... |
| 02:33.25 | ruinevil | safari installs bonjour >.> |
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| 02:33.35 | wolsni_ | Jucato: why scared? |
| 02:33.39 | ruinevil | which is like avahi+libdns |
| 02:33.47 | n8k99 | yes and it communicates with Apple computers |
| 02:33.49 | mike_ | I'm having an issue with Konqueror. It seems like it doesn't load any images. I tried finding an option related, but can't find one. Any ideas? |
| 02:33.59 | n8k99 | jsut like it does on OS X |
| 02:34.20 | Jucato | mike_: Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Automatically load images? |
| 02:34.31 | ruinevil | hmmmm |
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| 02:34.40 | ruinevil | i wodner if i can use bonjour to talk to my freebsd box |
| 02:34.42 | Jucato | wolsni_: Webkit port to Qt... Safari on XP... if Safari on *nix is next... :( |
| 02:35.00 | n8k99 | ruinevil: i think its just between apple components |
| 02:35.06 | ruinevil | D: |
| 02:35.10 | mike_ | Jucato: Yup, I already have that enabled. |
| 02:35.13 | ruinevil | but bonjour is an open standard |
| 02:35.15 | Jucato | wolsni: don't forget the big debate about replacing khtml w/ the webkit port in the future :( |
| 02:35.21 | mike_ | Jucato: It loads some images, but not most. |
| 02:35.33 | n8k99 | ruinevil: i got signals all over that half of th elab when i fired up safari on xp |
| 02:35.37 | Jucato | mike_: might be an internet connection problem... not really sure |
| 02:35.53 | mike_ | Jucato: Firefox loads them fine. |
| 02:36.10 | ruinevil | maybe you didnt install the jpeg renderer of kde? |
| 02:36.18 | ruinevil | whatever that is |
| 02:37.00 | ruinevil | for firefox-devel its cairo |
| 02:37.09 | mike_ | It looks like it simply doesn't lik .gif's |
| 02:37.16 | Jucato | mike_: what distro? |
| 02:37.23 | mike_ | Jucato: Gentoo. |
| 02:37.25 | Jucato | ugh! |
| 02:37.36 | Jucato | you might not have compiled Qt with GIF support then |
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| 02:38.07 | Jucato | mike_: check your USE for Qt if it has "gif" |
| 02:38.20 | mike_ | Alright |
| 02:38.59 | mike_ | I don't have gif in there. |
| 02:39.11 | mike_ | But I also don't have jpeg and png, yet those load fine. |
| 02:39.39 | Jucato | mike_: yes. those aren't necessary for the qt USE flags.. but gif is |
| 02:39.52 | mike_ | Jucato: Oh, that's kind of misleading |
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| 02:40.14 | Jucato | can't see why... GIF has always been... "special"... |
| 02:40.23 | ruinevil | damn unisys |
| 02:40.24 | Jucato | it needs special libs to support it |
| 02:40.29 | mike_ | Thanks |
| 02:40.38 | ruinevil | it wasnt an open standard |
| 02:40.43 | ruinevil | until like 2001 |
| 02:40.47 | Jucato | mike_: anyway, #gentoo or #gentoo-kde would probably be able to help you better |
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| 02:41.11 | ruinevil | 2003 |
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| 02:42.27 | mike_ | Alright |
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| 02:44.27 | barry | anyone know what commands k3bsetup runs. I have installed k3b but k3bseup did not install |
| 02:44.49 | Jucato | k3bsetup |
| 02:44.55 | barry | I was hoping to just run the commands it runs |
| 02:45.04 | barry | Jucato: right sorry |
| 02:45.06 | Jucato | k3bsetup runs k3bsetup... |
| 02:45.14 | mike_ | Also, is there anywhere in KControl where I can change the way my menus look? |
| 02:45.27 | Jucato | depends on what you mean by "look" |
| 02:45.30 | barry | Jucato: the only k3b program installed is k3b |
| 02:45.41 | Jucato | barry: distro? |
| 02:45.48 | barry | Jucato: gentoo |
| 02:45.52 | Jucato | k3bsetup is part of k3b |
| 02:45.59 | mike_ | Barry, look under System in your KMenu |
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| 02:46.08 | barry | Jucato: I know but it did not install on this machine |
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| 02:46.16 | barry | mike_: not there |
| 02:46.34 | Jucato | there's no separate ebuild for k3bsetup. kindly ask in #gentoo or #gentoo-kde |
| 02:46.45 | barry | under the konsole it does not show |
| 02:46.48 | mike_ | It came with mine. |
| 02:46.52 | barry | Jucato: will do |
| 02:47.01 | mike_ | Jucato: I mean, I wish to change the hover style |
| 02:47.04 | barry | mike_: on the gentoo box beside me it installed :( |
| 02:47.05 | Jucato | looking at my USE flags for k3b, I can't see anything special that would not install/install k3bsetup |
| 02:47.18 | barry | Jucato: nor did I |
| 02:47.24 | barry | very strange |
| 02:47.40 | mike_ | I only have "alsa hal kde" enabled |
| 02:47.44 | Jucato | mike_: hover style? still can't understand what you mean |
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| 02:48.46 | mike_ | You know when you hover a menu item? There's a background with rounded corners. |
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| 02:49.26 | Jucato | on the panel? you can only turn that on or off |
| 02:49.36 | Jucato | the big balloons |
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| 02:50.19 | mike_ | What' that option called? |
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| 02:51.27 | xlotlu | mike_: that's defined in the theme |
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| 02:51.29 | Jucato | right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Appearance -> [ ] Enable icon mousover effect |
| 02:51.52 | Jucato | mike_: if the big tooltips on the panel is what you were referring to |
| 02:52.01 | Jucato | xlotlu: not if he was referring to what I mentioned |
| 02:52.19 | Jucato | the smaller, regular tooltips are Style dependent though |
| 02:52.20 | xlotlu | oh, panel hovering |
| 02:52.21 | dauoalagio2 | it seems that konqueror loads it's pages in waves, is there some way that i can make these waves come at shorter intervals, thus making "what is loaded" come as it is loaded |
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| 02:52.42 | mike_ | It's actually both, I'm still trying to customize my KDE |
| 02:53.05 | Jucato | like I said, the first one (big hover balloons) can only be turned on or off. can't be customized |
| 02:53.12 | canllaith | That's not quite true |
| 02:53.20 | canllaith | it depends what you want to do to them |
| 02:53.21 | Jucato | the 2nd one, (regular yellow tooltips) can be customized depending on the widget Style |
| 02:53.25 | canllaith | you can tweak the timeout delay |
| 02:53.31 | canllaith | and no, the yellow tooltips can't be customised at all |
| 02:53.34 | canllaith | They're a Qt built-in |
| 02:53.38 | Jucato | canllaith: they can. Domino can |
| 02:53.44 | Jucato | you can change the background color |
| 02:53.47 | Lanken | everyone I know turns off the big hover balloons immediately :\ |
| 02:54.01 | Jucato | Lanken: I don't |
| 02:54.04 | canllaith | They're really nice if you just set the delay longer so you don't set them off accidentally |
| 02:54.11 | wolsni | canllaith: domino has rounded edges and a gradient for those tooltips |
| 02:54.13 | Jucato | it's the only way to get see all the timezones in the clock |
| 02:54.17 | Lanken | hmm I never tried that. |
| 02:54.26 | mike_ | Their nice at first, but they tend to get annoying after a few hours. |
| 02:54.28 | xlotlu | i like the big hover balloons. though, decreasing the delay |
| 02:54.34 | wolsni | and serenity has rounded edges for them as well |
| 02:54.35 | canllaith | Jucato: exactly |
| 02:54.41 | canllaith | It's nice for the timezones |
| 02:54.54 | Jucato | it's also nice for the desktop pager |
| 02:54.57 | Lanken | I finally registered my domain :) http://zackglennie.com |
| 02:55.08 | Lanken | I'll have some content later. |
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| 02:55.36 | mike_ | wolsni: You know of any themes that achieve what I want? |
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| 02:55.52 | wolsni | mike_: I don't know what you want |
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| 02:56.30 | Lanken | I guess I'll link to kde.org, that will make this on-topic :) |
| 02:56.52 | canllaith | Jucato: http://www.ac.nz/~jes/fluxbox2.png |
| 02:57.13 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 02:58.33 | canllaith | Still running KDE on the vaio, it requires a good power management framework but a really spartan setup distracts me less at work |
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| 02:58.59 | Lanken | kde can do spartan :X |
| 02:59.18 | wolsni | but it's so easy to be spartan in fluxbox :) |
| 02:59.25 | canllaith | Yes :) |
| 02:59.41 | canllaith | and I used fluxbodx long before I started contributing to KDE |
| 02:59.42 | canllaith | fluxbox** |
| 02:59.49 | Lanken | I love fluxbox |
| 02:59.58 | Lanken | I sometimes kill kwin and run fluxbox for the tabs |
| 02:59.58 | Jucato | spartans!!!! :) |
| 03:00.10 | Lanken | mostly when I'm using gimp to edit dozens upon dozens of images. |
| 03:00.10 | canllaith | Nothin looks quite so pretty as a bunch of transparent terminals running under a spartan window manager ;) |
| 03:00.32 | canllaith | Hrm. The mail has arrived and I think I was supposed to have a new laptop in it :( |
| 03:00.56 | n8k99 | canllaith: purdy purdy |
| 03:01.05 | canllaith | I'd only do this at work - my job involves running about a million terminal windows and not much else. |
| 03:01.19 | canllaith | At home when i'm websurfing and editing photographs and lotsa other stuff it makes more sense to use KDE |
| 03:01.23 | Lanken | canllaith: my new lenovo (replacing a 4-year-old Dell) just got delayed 2.5 weeks. |
| 03:01.38 | TheSimkin | Lanken: that's terrible |
| 03:01.40 | canllaith | this is not quite a new laptop |
| 03:01.49 | TheSimkin | Lanken: did you get quad core?? |
| 03:01.55 | canllaith | It's another T42p chassis in better condition than mine so I can merge the two and come up with one working laptop |
| 03:01.57 | Lanken | TheSimkin: there are quad-core laptops? |
| 03:02.16 | TheSimkin | oh, not sure now that you meantion it! |
| 03:02.25 | TheSimkin | but i think so? |
| 03:02.33 | Lanken | TheSimkin: I think they come out next year. |
| 03:02.34 | TheSimkin | are the quads the same sockets as the dual (intel). |
| 03:02.43 | TheSimkin | i was working ona quad core today |
| 03:02.44 | Lanken | nephelim is the codename, I think. |
| 03:02.45 | TheSimkin | with a nice nvidia card |
| 03:02.48 | Lanken | or nehelim |
| 03:02.50 | TheSimkin | we loaded up beryl and all the nice eye candy |
| 03:02.53 | TheSimkin | oh boy was it dreamy :) |
| 03:03.06 | Lanken | I'm getting mine with the X3100 IGP |
| 03:03.23 | Lanken | because it has *just* enough capability for the old 3d games that I play |
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| 03:03.29 | Lanken | warcraft 3 |
| 03:03.29 | Lanken | etc. |
| 03:03.42 | Lanken | but this is off topic. |
| 03:03.54 | canllaith | 'cept then I'd prolly get fired |
| 03:04.57 | Lanken | http://karacry.ytmnd.com/ |
| 03:05.02 | Lanken | regarding wow |
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| 03:06.43 | canllaith | Lanken: ? |
| 03:07.08 | Lanken | the ytmnd link has audio of a kid whose parents want him to get off the computer |
| 03:07.18 | Lanken | wow is bad for you, heh. |
| 03:07.28 | canllaith | oh right, I have no sound atm :) |
| 03:07.40 | canllaith | and WoW is GOOD for you |
| 03:08.12 | canllaith | It's awesome |
| 03:08.47 | canllaith | http://www.ac.nz/~jes/Screenshots/olwen_tgknnx_800.jpg.png <-- I'm the short one with the stick. My best friend is the cat. |
| 03:09.28 | TheSimkin | wow is an addictive evil force that will suck your soul away |
| 03:09.28 | Jucato | kinda disproportionate... in a cute way :) |
| 03:09.37 | TheSimkin | but it is fun :) |
| 03:09.47 | Lanken | my korean friend plays wow |
| 03:09.52 | Lanken | and I think it's ok, because he's hot |
| 03:09.55 | canllaith | That's absurd :) I have a soul, a job, friends, a social life, and even more... and I play WoW. |
| 03:10.11 | TheSimkin | job = selling wow money |
| 03:10.13 | Lanken | but if he were like overweight and stuff, I'd be telling him to go to the gym and get off the servers |
| 03:10.18 | TheSimkin | social life = friends in wow. |
| 03:10.20 | TheSimkin | :) |
| 03:10.24 | canllaith | No, job = working with linux @ IBM |
| 03:10.26 | wolsni | canllaith: that's a screenshot? |
| 03:10.30 | TheSimkin | @ IBM? |
| 03:10.34 | TheSimkin | good for you! |
| 03:10.34 | canllaith | wolsni: yes |
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| 03:12.58 | TheSimkin | on screen displays? |
| 03:13.20 | wolsni | yeah, games usually have some sort of overlay |
| 03:13.35 | Lanken | hmm good point. |
| 03:13.43 | canllaith | wolsni: You can hide the UI with a keypress |
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| 03:15.13 | Lanken | where are the promotional banners for kde? |
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| 03:18.24 | bobwhoops | Hi all, konqueror seems to have frozen on me. Is there a way to save the tabs I have open or get it to restart with the same tabs or something? |
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| 03:21.04 | wolsni | bobwhoops: there's an extension to save the session on a crash |
| 03:21.29 | wolsni | but if konqueror's already frozen there's not much you can do |
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| 03:29.33 | dauoalagio2 | it seems that konqueror loads it's pages in waves, is there some way that i can make these waves come at shorter intervals, thus making "what is loaded" come as it is loaded |
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| 03:43.55 | bobwhoops | wolsni: where can I get it? I tried a quick google search and couldn't find it |
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| 04:17.00 | yonkeltron | i downloaded the tarball but they have only pngs...also, openclipart.org is hosed |
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| 04:45.58 | ferret_0567 | do any of you have "serviceiface.h" on your system? |
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| 04:46.13 | ferret_0567 | I'm trying to compile knetworkmanager, and it's complaining about that |
| 04:46.21 | mark_alec | no |
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| 04:47.08 | sjck | Anyone here know where to set the lenght of the "tab-spaces" in open office? :/ |
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| 05:00.44 | bobwhoops | Hm, "Run Command" doesn't seem to do anything. And since I can't launch it in a terminal, I can't get stderr info. Any ideas on what might be wrong? |
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| 05:07.52 | munk__ | can someone help me? |
| 05:07.58 | Lanken | kde is the greatest. file dialogs matter so much! I love kde! |
| 05:08.19 | munk__ | i deleted by accident the shortcut for the trash but i did it from gnome and now i cant get another shortcut like the one before.. |
| 05:08.40 | canllaith | munk__: make a shortcut to trash:/ |
| 05:11.18 | munk__ | well yeah |
| 05:11.40 | munk__ | canllaith but i cant get it to work so that when i right click to have the empy trash option |
| 05:13.26 | munk__ | canllaith any other ideea? |
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| 05:24.05 | ferret_0567 | Has anyone here had any luck compiling knetworkmanager? |
| 05:24.49 | mark_alec | which version? |
| 05:26.22 | ferret_0567 | stable |
| 05:26.37 | ferret_0567 | It's been a b**** |
| 05:27.12 | ferret_0567 | I've applied many patches, but to no avail |
| 05:27.36 | ferret_0567 | I did apply Ubuntu patches, and that's not usually a good idea |
| 05:27.49 | ferret_0567 | I just want to get it to compile... |
| 05:28.33 | ferret_0567 | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-networkmanager/2007-February/000076.html |
| 05:28.40 | ferret_0567 | I've been reading that for a while now |
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| 05:29.00 | ferret_0567 | I applied every patch specified |
| 05:29.32 | ferret_0567 | travis@mcp-hexaflake:/tmp/knetworkmanager-0.1$ ./configure --disable-debug --enable-final --with-dbus-sys=/etc/dbus-1/system.d |
| 05:29.44 | ferret_0567 | travis@mcp-hexaflake:/tmp/knetworkmanager-0.1$ ./configure --disable-debug --enable-final --with-dbus-sys=/etc/dbus-1/system.d --with-distro=lfs |
| 05:30.06 | ferret_0567 | checking PACKAGE_CFLAGS... -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include/NetworkManager -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/hal -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include |
| 05:30.06 | ferret_0567 | checking PACKAGE_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lhal -ldbus-1 -lnm-util -lglib-2.0 |
| 05:30.06 | ferret_0567 | yes |
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| 05:30.47 | ferret_0567 | I don't get it |
| 05:31.02 | ferret_0567 | I applied the debug patch listed somewhere in that mailing list post |
| 05:31.50 | ferret_0567 | !!! |
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| 05:35.32 | ferret_0567 | Has anyone here had any luck compiling knetworkmanager? |
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| 06:29.28 | downs | um |
| 06:29.36 | downs | firefox: 405M |
| 06:29.42 | downs | amarok: 353M. |
| 06:29.45 | downs | Kopete: 209M. |
| 06:29.48 | downs | Is that normal? |
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| 06:31.54 | downs | it goes on ... I have five more entries above 100M. |
| 06:34.26 | xlotlu | downs: are you swapping? |
| 06:34.40 | downs | soundst |
| 06:34.41 | downs | arrgh |
| 06:34.45 | downs | I mean "nope yet" |
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| 06:35.08 | downs | (ctrl-c/ctrl-v screwup ^^ ) |
| 06:35.11 | downs | I think it might be cache |
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| 06:35.14 | downs | still, it is a bit peculiar. |
| 06:35.21 | xlotlu | downs: then it's normal |
| 06:35.24 | downs | okay :D |
| 06:35.36 | intelikey | howto get konqueror to save images with the page ? |
| 06:35.45 | downs | any way I can see the normal memory usage of a process? |
| 06:35.49 | downs | (in ksysguard) |
| 06:35.57 | downs | intelikey, you might want to try wget. |
| 06:36.04 | downs | it's probably better for recursive downloads. |
| 06:36.35 | downs | (alternatively, there's always webhttrack but that seems a bit like overkill) |
| 06:36.50 | intelikey | someone answered it for me. tools > archive |
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| 06:37.05 | downs | .. I didn't know that. thanks ^^ |
| 06:37.17 | RawSewage | It doesnt save images used in css |
| 06:37.23 | RawSewage | or it doesnt like css |
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| 06:37.39 | downs | :o |
| 06:37.43 | RawSewage | or am I thinking of FF |
| 06:37.49 | RawSewage | maybe Im thinking of FF |
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| 06:39.14 | RawSewage | lol |
| 06:39.21 | xlotlu | you know you've been gaming tooo much... when you read "it doesn't like css, or i'm thinking of ff" like ... etc. |
| 06:39.46 | downs | n___n |
| 06:39.48 | downs | I know :D |
| 06:40.07 | downs | I hope pcsx2 0.9.4 gets available on gentoo amd64 soon |
| 06:40.27 | downs | and um. |
| 06:41.09 | downs | yeah. |
| 06:41.17 | downs | that _is_ legal, somehow, despite me not owning a ps2. |
| 06:41.29 | downs | FOR UNSPECIFIED LEGAL REASONS. |
| 06:41.30 | downs | so there. |
| 06:41.48 | downs | ^__^ |
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| 06:49.49 | waltercool | hi there! xD |
| 06:49.56 | waltercool | how can i resize a aditional panel? |
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| 06:50.37 | waltercool | an |
| 06:50.42 | downs | well |
| 06:50.43 | downs | SEEYA |
| 06:50.44 | downs | :D |
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| 07:03.03 | waltercool | someone? |
| 07:04.09 | RawSewage | what panel |
| 07:04.40 | waltercool | additional panel |
| 07:04.53 | waltercool | of kicker |
| 07:05.49 | RawSewage | idk |
| 07:06.08 | waltercool | mmm... i need resize a panel... |
| 07:06.14 | waltercool | is too big |
| 07:06.38 | RawSewage | right click |
| 07:06.50 | RawSewage | Panel Menu - Configure Panel |
| 07:07.52 | waltercool | but i only configure principal panel |
| 07:08.28 | RawSewage | I dont konw then |
| 07:08.56 | waltercool | mmm... well |
| 07:09.02 | waltercool | thanks ;) |
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| 07:10.16 | Jucato | waltercool: |
| 07:10.18 | Jucato | oops... |
| 07:10.28 | waltercool | xD |
| 07:10.35 | waltercool | RawSewage: I find it xD |
| 07:10.41 | waltercool | in control panel :P |
| 07:11.20 | RawSewage | ok good |
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| 07:11.40 | Jucato | ah kubuntu. no wonder |
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| 07:18.52 | Jucato | it's not a nerf. it's a bug that seems to be only present on Kubuntu |
| 07:19.07 | Jucato | you just need to restart kicker to see the drop down list, or access it from kcontrol |
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| 08:52.48 | lxuser | Hello people ! |
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| 09:24.06 | ccherrett | anyone know how to find text in a file in konqueror's find tool that has quotes in it? |
| 09:25.12 | Jucato | the filename has quotes? |
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| 09:25.54 | ccherrett | Jucato: no |
| 09:26.04 | ccherrett | I need to find text in the file with quotes |
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| 09:27.46 | Jucato | in the Contents tab of the Find tool |
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| 09:29.07 | ccherrett | Jucato: I know but it does not seem to be taking the quotes |
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| 09:38.21 | quentin | how can i deactivate a screensaver that is already deactivated in kcontrol? |
| 09:38.56 | quentin | a certain 3d screensaver won't get disabled, even if i select a different one in kcontrol |
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| 09:43.51 | monzie | Hi sll |
| 09:43.56 | monzie | Hi All |
| 09:43.58 | monzie | Jucato: hi |
| 09:44.04 | Jucato | hi monzie! |
| 09:47.03 | monzie | Jucato: how're you? |
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| 09:48.00 | stinger_au | yo |
| 09:48.16 | stinger_au | automounting has stopped working for me :( after doing a update of hal and dbus |
| 09:48.49 | Jucato | monzie: um.. doing fine... although a bit tired :/ |
| 09:49.01 | monzie | Jucato: how did you C++ paper go? |
| 09:49.35 | Jucato | monzie: hm... you mean my studies? haven't opened the book in 5 days. had real life matters to attend to :/ |
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| 09:53.00 | stinger_au | any one here able to help me out ? |
| 09:54.33 | alsuren | stinger_au: hal and dbus are normally your distributer's fault :P Check #<distro> |
| 09:55.18 | monzie | Jucato: oops. Sorry for that. |
| 09:57.08 | Jucato | it's ok :) |
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| 09:59.20 | rvalles | hi |
| 09:59.30 | rvalles | what's the gimp-like tool for kde? |
| 09:59.44 | Jucato | Krita |
| 09:59.54 | Jucato | but it's not exactly "gimp-like" |
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| 10:02.49 | kevin__ | new software |
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| 10:31.56 | Jefis | http://www.speedyshare.com/167699209.html view kde4 mockup, and tell me your opinion :-)) |
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| 10:37.30 | Jucato | looks kool. but what is it? is it a replacement for K Menu? a specialized menu? |
| 10:37.45 | Jefis | It's mockup |
| 10:38.26 | Jefis | I hope to see this thing in kde4 :) |
| 10:38.29 | Jucato | yes I know. but a mockup of what? |
| 10:38.36 | Jefis | Of kde4 |
| 10:38.41 | Jucato | O.o |
| 10:38.46 | Jucato | of what in KDE 4? |
| 10:39.20 | Jefis | Sorry? |
| 10:39.22 | Jucato | menu? plasmoid? system tray? panel applet? application? |
| 10:39.37 | Jucato | KDE 4 is huge! what part of KDE 4 is it a mockup of? |
| 10:39.59 | apokryphos | you've just integrated kopete into a menu; pretty bad idea IMO |
| 10:40.01 | Jefis | Idea |
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| 10:40.16 | Jucato | ..... |
| 10:41.05 | Jucato | well, I'll just presume it's a plasmoid... |
| 10:41.28 | Jefis | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kde4+Mockup?content=28476 |
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| 10:41.40 | Jefis | I'm making this screenshot to work :) |
| 10:42.13 | metbsd | how to launch karaboom, the desktop candy bar |
| 10:42.18 | apokryphos | I think it's a bad idea and I really doubt it will make it in |
| 10:42.28 | Jefis | why bad? |
| 10:42.29 | apokryphos | why would anyone want their messenger to be implemented into a menu? |
| 10:42.37 | Jucato | mockups are nice... but if you don't know what it's for, it's kinda vague |
| 10:42.42 | apokryphos | that just creates way more hassle |
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| 10:43.23 | Jucato | apokryphos: well, there's always room for 3rd party applets/plasmoids... |
| 10:43.31 | Jucato | some might find it useful |
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| 10:44.39 | Jucato | but, if it's supposed to be a main menu of sorts, I find the choices a bit too little :) |
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| 10:45.59 | Simeon_H | ok... breaking news! |
| 10:46.13 | Jucato | apokryphos: to be fair, iirc there has been work on a sort of similar thing from a kdepim dev.... I just can't recall the name of the app or the dev |
| 10:46.25 | apokryphos | really? |
| 10:46.35 | metbsd | what is the name of that desktop candy thing? |
| 10:46.37 | Jucato | iirc... |
| 10:46.37 | apokryphos | it's a really bad misuse of menus |
| 10:46.42 | Simeon_H | plasma? |
| 10:46.50 | Jucato | apokryphos: but not as a main menu. I think it was a kicker applet |
| 10:46.59 | Jucato | metbsd: superkaramba? |
| 10:47.09 | metbsd | yah that's it |
| 10:47.11 | Jucato | (not karaboom) |
| 10:47.33 | metbsd | ok |
| 10:47.49 | tuxick | konqueror "edit bookmarks" failing silently |
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| 10:47.55 | metbsd | i don' t have it in netbsd live cd |
| 10:48.13 | metbsd | does knoppix latest have supakaramba |
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| 10:50.17 | Jucato | apokryphos: khalkhi |
| 10:51.03 | Jucato | kossebau's (frinring) project |
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| 10:51.27 | eNTi | hi. what could be the problem if kwin crashes on startup and sometimes it even hangs at a black screen and i have to hard-reboot? |
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| 10:52.32 | tuxick | bah |
| 10:52.47 | bram85 | what a patience... |
| 10:53.20 | metbsd | what package has superkaramba |
| 10:53.54 | Jucato | metbsd: ask in #knoppix |
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| 10:54.47 | Jucato | bram85: yes, patience seems to be absent a lot this day... |
| 10:55.20 | xlotlu | metbsd: the superkaramba package is called... guess what, superkaramba |
| 10:55.32 | tuxick | anyone else having this problem with failing 'edit bookmarks' ? |
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| 10:55.38 | metbsd | don't know how to install it in debian |
| 10:55.43 | tuxick | i really hate software failing silently |
| 10:55.46 | Jucato | tuxick: describe failing? |
| 10:55.52 | tuxick | Jucato: it does nothing |
| 10:56.15 | Jucato | metbsd: ask in your distribution's support channel. but my guess is "sudo apt-get install superkaramba" |
| 10:56.18 | Jucato | tuxick: won't even start? |
| 10:56.25 | tuxick | Jucato: nopes, nothing at all |
| 10:56.37 | Jucato | tuxick: in Konsole, try to run "keditbookmarks" |
| 10:56.55 | tuxick | ah i could have thought of that name :) |
| 10:57.14 | tuxick | ok that works |
| 10:57.24 | Jucato | :) |
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| 11:11.30 | Jefis | Jucato: that was not kicker applet |
| 11:11.32 | Jefis | :) |
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| 11:17.54 | alex[slx] | hi, where can I find my KDE log file? |
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| 11:22.55 | quentin | how can i deactivate a screensaver that is already deactivated in kcontrol? |
| 11:22.59 | quentin | a certain 3d screensaver won't get disabled, even if i select a different one in kcontrol |
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| 11:23.08 | quentin | how can i deactivate a screensaver that is already deactivated in kcontrol? |
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| 11:29.07 | tbd | hii |
| 11:29.16 | tbd | I wish to know... |
| 11:29.31 | tbd | how is it determined the file type inside KDE? |
| 11:29.41 | tbd | more specifically, inside Konqueror? |
| 11:30.21 | tbd | (it's making something strange with extensionless filenames) |
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| 11:35.07 | Ralesk | tbd, not sure, but it might be /usr/share/mime/magic :) basically things guess type from the header/contents of the file |
| 11:35.10 | marv_ | Hi, where does kde/korganizer save the active/deactivate status for calendar files? |
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| 11:36.25 | Ralesk | marv_: ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/ something in there? |
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| 11:36.38 | tbd | thx, Ralesk - it's a binary file... I can't check anything then :'( |
| 11:36.46 | Ralesk | no it's not |
| 11:36.51 | Ralesk | it has some binary parts |
| 11:37.06 | Ralesk | because some headers are binary ;) |
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| 11:37.20 | tbd | oh! I'm having a look then... :) |
| 11:37.28 | marv_ | Ralesk: just some income.* directorys.. but they are empty |
| 11:37.34 | Ralesk | hmmm |
| 11:38.16 | Ralesk | no idea then, sorry :/ |
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| 11:41.09 | Ralesk | tbd: that said, I'm not fully sure if KDE uses that or another magic definition somewhere else :) |
| 11:42.02 | tbd | marv_: perhaps in .kde/share/config/kresources/calendar/stdrc |
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| 11:46.45 | marv_ | tbd: Yes. I just found this a sec ago :D |
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| 11:56.27 | hacosta | is there a way to change the scroll down shortcut in kmail, im used to hjkl (like vim and konqueror) |
| 11:56.46 | hacosta | and in kmail, the k does work, but the j goes to jump |
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| 11:57.14 | hacosta | oh nvm, deactivating jump did it |
| 11:58.09 | profoX` | Hi.. Which program in KDE is capable of printing multiple photos per page? |
| 11:58.11 | profoX` | I could only find GThumb for that.. |
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| 12:25.52 | alex[slx] | where is the KDE log file? |
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| 12:34.45 | Jucato | annma!!!!!! |
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| 12:36.14 | annma | hi! |
| 12:37.03 | Jucato | annma: too bad I couldn't connect using a real IRC app last sunday. .bed for Kubuntu... hehehe :) |
| 12:37.17 | Tm_T | Jucato: mooh |
| 12:37.29 | Jucato | Tm_T: meow :) |
| 12:37.55 | Jucato | I still have no idea how to connect to IRC with a bluetooth DUN... some other time perhaps :) |
| 12:38.10 | alex[slx] | hello? |
| 12:38.14 | tuxick | what's a DUN? |
| 12:38.16 | annma | ;) |
| 12:38.21 | alex[slx] | surely out of 323 someone knows there the KDE log file is? |
| 12:38.27 | Jucato | Dial up networking |
| 12:39.19 | Jucato | alex[slx]: depends on what log file are you looking for. I think there is no single *kde* log file |
| 12:39.34 | alex[slx] | Jucato: Kontact will not start on my laptop |
| 12:39.35 | Jucato | (if there is one, I've never been aware of it) |
| 12:39.58 | Jucato | alex[slx]: have you tried launching it from Konsole? what error messages do you get? |
| 12:40.17 | alex[slx] | I tried that |
| 12:40.21 | alex[slx] | no error messages |
| 12:40.23 | alex[slx] | nothing |
| 12:40.24 | alex[slx] | just hands |
| 12:40.27 | alex[slx] | hangs* |
| 12:40.41 | alex[slx] | and ps auxw | grep kontact returns two kontacts |
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| 12:40.46 | Tm_T | well, hanging and "not start" is bit different |
| 12:40.57 | alex[slx] | Tm_T: well |
| 12:41.09 | Jucato | what happens after you killed both kontact processes? |
| 12:41.18 | alex[slx] | nothing |
| 12:41.20 | Jucato | afaik, you can't have 2 running Kontacts |
| 12:41.45 | Tm_T | exactly |
| 12:41.51 | Jucato | alex[slx]: kill the 2 processes, then try starting Kontact again from Konsole |
| 12:41.57 | alex[slx] | Jucato: akready tried that |
| 12:42.03 | Jucato | still nothing? |
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| 12:43.18 | alex[slx] | yeh it's very weird |
| 12:43.25 | alex[slx] | it worked fine the other day |
| 12:43.43 | alex[slx] | is there any log file(s) that may be useful? |
| 12:44.18 | Jucato | not that I'm aware of.. |
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| 12:47.13 | monzie | Jucato: i think have run into a problem with my irc client |
| 12:47.28 | monzie | Jucato: can you tell me if i am marked as away or not? |
| 12:47.41 | Jucato | monzie: nope |
| 12:47.58 | monzie | Jucato: if i am not marked away, it's cool! |
| 12:48.01 | alex[slx] | Jucato: ok... running kontact as root works |
| 12:48.10 | alex[slx] | kdesu kontact |
| 12:48.40 | Jucato | O.o |
| 12:49.11 | alex[slx] | so it must be something to do with my configuration |
| 12:49.20 | alex[slx] | should I delete all my kontact folders in .kde? |
| 12:50.13 | Jucato | don't delete. just rename or move. |
| 12:50.20 | Jucato | but it might be an X problem... not really sure |
| 12:50.28 | annma | never delete alex[slx] |
| 12:50.39 | alex[slx] | annma: I'm not really deleting |
| 12:50.49 | alex[slx] | since they're are just copies off my desktop PC |
| 12:50.52 | alex[slx] | I still have them |
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| 12:51.57 | alex[slx] | Jucato: don't think it's a problem with X, cos it works for root and it doesn't even try to start (according to console) |
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| 12:53.29 | alex[slx] | Jucato: fixed! |
| 12:53.44 | alex[slx] | I renamed akregator and kmail folders and it works |
| 12:53.51 | alex[slx] | I think it's akregator playing up |
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| 13:02.38 | aljosa | is there a way to use kwallet to remember username/password for smb:/ locations in kde3? |
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| 13:10.10 | sinthetek | is there any way to escalate privileges in a given konqueror tab? |
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| 13:10.19 | sinthetek | s/given/specific |
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| 13:10.32 | Jucato | what do you mean? |
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| 13:11.13 | root-80686 | hi |
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| 13:12.12 | sinthetek | i mean, is there a way to start konqueror as one user and su specific tabs to run with privs of another user? |
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| 13:13.06 | sinthetek | so that i can, for instance, graphically manipulate my file as root without having to open an extra konqueror session from command line |
| 13:13.09 | root-80686 | question: I'm using KDE 3.5.5 and when I open an e-mail with attachements and right-click them I only get "copy link address" etc. instead of "save", "open" in the context menu |
| 13:13.22 | Jucato | sinthetek: hm.. I don't think so... you need to have separate windows/instances |
| 13:13.39 | sinthetek | filesystem* |
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| 13:13.59 | Qhestion | umm hi |
| 13:14.51 | Qhestion | how can i create a shortcut to a console program with a specified screen size? |
| 13:15.02 | Qhestion | --> that program requires 80x25 |
| 13:15.10 | annma | Qhestion: using Konsole? |
| 13:15.15 | Qhestion | ? |
| 13:15.18 | Qhestion | yeah? |
| 13:15.28 | annma | konsole --help in konsole |
| 13:15.45 | annma | you'll get some arguments, look at the size one and run konsole with it |
| 13:16.28 | Qhestion | ahh got it |
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| 13:17.23 | klup | Does anyone know why the preview appears in the hover tooltip for images, but not PDFs? |
| 13:17.29 | klup | I have kpdf installed |
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| 13:19.37 | Qhestion | annma: hmm doesnt work... |
| 13:20.01 | Qhestion | i have: konsole --vt_sz 80x25 --noresize -e /home/.../bin/adom/adom |
| 13:20.18 | Qhestion | it gives me an "ungültige addresse" (invalid address) error |
| 13:20.37 | dinounix | klup: if the file is bigger than 2mb, konqueror doesn't generate thumbnails |
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| 13:21.23 | Ralesk | what's "..." in a path, Qhestion? |
| 13:21.29 | Qhestion | my username |
| 13:21.33 | Ralesk | ah |
| 13:22.21 | Qhestion | oha |
| 13:22.26 | Qhestion | dunno what i changed |
| 13:22.30 | Qhestion | but now it works ... |
| 13:23.18 | Qhestion | ahh |
| 13:23.39 | Qhestion | i had a space between "25" and "--noresize" |
| 13:23.41 | Qhestion | :/ |
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| 13:23.58 | klup | dinounix: Nope, the file is 74kb |
| 13:23.58 | Ralesk | ah, so that's why it worked for me right away -- I deleted that extra space |
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| 13:24.08 | Ralesk | that's a quite lame bug indeed |
| 13:24.32 | annma | Qhestion: :) good! |
| 13:24.34 | klup | dinounix: I also increased the max file size to 10mb as well, just in case |
| 13:24.45 | dinounix | weird |
| 13:25.06 | klup | I wonder if it's related to be having adobe reader as the default viewer? |
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| 13:25.46 | dinounix | i don't think so, but i can't say for sure |
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| 13:27.12 | klup | What's this services preference order? |
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| 13:33.21 | fred87 | heh http://gallery.warwickcompsoc.co.uk/S27/PICT0097?full=1 kturtle |
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| 13:37.57 | root-80686 | question: I'm using KDE 3.5.5 and when I open an e-mail with attachements and right-click them I only get "copy link address" etc. instead of "save", "open" in the context menu |
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| 13:42.43 | wolsni | root-80686: are you using KMail? |
| 13:43.08 | root-80686 | wolsni: yes, or to be precise: kontact |
| 13:43.25 | wolsni | what about the icons in the tree view? |
| 13:43.36 | wolsni | do they show the correct context menu? |
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| 13:45.01 | root-80686 | wolsni: they show at least "save as" |
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| 13:45.43 | root-80686 | wolsni: but if I right-click the icons in the mail I just get the same context menu as I would right-click an URL |
| 13:46.08 | root-80686 | in the status line it shows "part://1" |
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| 13:46.31 | wolsni | hm |
| 13:46.39 | wolsni | how many messages have you looked at? |
| 13:46.43 | root-80686 | several |
| 13:46.51 | root-80686 | wolsni: I also used different users |
| 13:47.05 | root-80686 | different mails and mailboxes of course |
| 13:47.16 | eNTi | what's wrong if i get tons of those: http://pastebin.ca/561457 ? |
| 13:47.27 | wolsni | well, i think if there's a part:// url it's supposed to do that |
| 13:47.45 | wolsni | might ask in #kontact for more knowledgable help |
| 13:47.47 | root-80686 | wolsni: yes exactly |
| 13:47.56 | root-80686 | but it's not what should happen |
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| 13:50.09 | root-80686 | wolsni: I suspected a wrong setting in the konqueror as it should be the same component used to show mails |
| 13:50.33 | root-80686 | but as it behaves same on several accounts I don't think that this is the right track |
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| 13:54.27 | codin | hi |
| 13:54.36 | codin | anyone using kopete here ? |
| 13:54.53 | wolsni | just ask, codin |
| 13:55.51 | codin | in the chat window, under Settings -> Toolbars -> Formatiing toolbar I deselect that option |
| 13:56.19 | codin | but next time I open a chat window, the option is enabled automatically |
| 13:56.27 | codin | how can I make the change permanent ? |
| 13:56.45 | Jucato | afaik, it's a sort of "bug"... it only applies per contact |
| 13:57.59 | codin | even per contact, does not work ... if I have two contacts with the chat dialogs in the same window, while switching from one to the other it looses the settings |
| 13:58.02 | Ralesk | Jucato: nope, you switch away from the tab and back, it appears again |
| 13:58.21 | Jucato | hm... then I'm partly correct. it's a bug :) |
| 13:58.26 | wolsni | well, the toolbar comes back if you have formatting enabled |
| 13:58.27 | Ralesk | hehehe |
| 13:58.50 | Ralesk | wolsni: I have it disabled, methink and it still does |
| 13:58.51 | wolsni | so you have to actually disable formatting if you want it to stay away |
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| 13:59.04 | wolsni | Ralesk: well, mine don't come back |
| 13:59.08 | Ralesk | hmm |
| 13:59.28 | codin | wolsni, how do you disable formatting ? |
| 13:59.33 | Ralesk | if it bothers you that it pushes the tabs down, move it to the bottom of the window, codin :) |
| 14:00.04 | Ralesk | wolsni: also, I have remote colours disabled (but not remote rich text) and still, colours come through. what the hey :) |
| 14:00.20 | wolsni | hm, I'm not aware of a way other than the keyboard shortcut |
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| 14:00.33 | wolsni | it's been a while since I messed with that setting :P |
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| 14:25.59 | lontra | does anyone know how i can checkout the oxygen icons? |
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| 14:27.11 | Jucato | lontra: unless you're going to use them within KDE 4, it will be useless to do that |
| 14:27.31 | lontra | Jucato: i just want to cherry pick some icons |
| 14:27.47 | lontra | Jucato: and i know i'll need to rename things |
| 14:27.58 | Jucato | go to websvn.kde.org/trunk then. it's under kdelibs |
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| 14:29.51 | lontra | Jucato: thanks! |
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| 14:30.22 | lontra | Jucato: there is no kdelibs under trunk |
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| 14:30.51 | Jucato | trunk/KDE/kdelibs? |
| 14:31.10 | lontra | ah ok ... i didn't check under KDE |
| 14:31.21 | Jucato | ... |
| 14:31.58 | lontra | i know ... |
| 14:33.10 | titaniox | Hi. is koproperty ported to Qt-4? and where can download sources? |
| 14:33.12 | lontra | svn co http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen right? |
| 14:33.29 | lontra | Jucato: i've done that wrong in the past and check out a ton of stuff :) |
| 14:33.59 | Jucato | it will still checkout a lot of stuff now :) |
| 14:34.04 | Jucato | no. |
| 14:34.07 | Kyral_Laptop | *pound face into wall* |
| 14:34.16 | lontra | Jucato: i want it to check out all the oxygen icons |
| 14:34.22 | Kyral_Laptop | Prof in my web design class next semester is gonna make me use Dreamweaver |
| 14:34.27 | Jucato | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE so on and so forth |
| 14:34.31 | lontra | stupid man page for svn is only 31 lines ;P |
| 14:34.58 | wolsni | lontra: that's because they expect you to use the book |
| 14:35.06 | lontra | wolsni: what book? |
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| 14:35.21 | Jucato | the free svn book |
| 14:35.30 | wolsni | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 14:35.30 | lontra | Jucato: oh ... |
| 14:36.34 | lontra | wolsni: thanks |
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| 14:38.36 | lontra | what's the big deal with pclinuxos? or would that be off-topic ... |
| 14:39.41 | Jucato | 1) there's no big deal. 2) yes |
| 14:40.31 | Dr_willis | Ive not seen much about it to make it a big deal. |
| 14:40.44 | Dr_willis | "word of mouth/people talking" about it i guess. |
| 14:40.59 | Kyral_Laptop | What is it the next Ubuntu or something? |
| 14:41.27 | Jucato | it's a distro. plain and simple :) |
| 14:41.35 | Dr_willis | Kyral_Laptop, I doubt it. But thats what nice about Linux - disrtos come and go. |
| 14:41.44 | Jucato | it's only as special as the next distro, depending on who you ask :) |
| 14:41.48 | Kyral_Laptop | Dr_willis: Indeed |
| 14:41.55 | Dr_willis | Getting where the big 'differance' between a lot of disrtos - is just trivial stuff. |
| 14:42.03 | Kyral_Laptop | TIMTOWDI ;D |
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| 14:42.16 | Kyral_Laptop | The Linux Distros are like different flavors of ice cream |
| 14:42.56 | wolsni | Kyral_Laptop: what is that acronym? |
| 14:43.18 | Kyral_Laptop | wolsni: Perl's Motto. There Is More Than One Way To Do It |
| 14:43.24 | Ralesk | wolsni: TIMTOWTDI = there is more than one way to do it, perl motto |
| 14:43.40 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah I always leave off that last "T" for some reason |
| 14:44.16 | wolsni | okay, I thought it was some variation on that |
| 14:44.25 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm beginning to realize that TIMTOWTDI applies to life as well |
| 14:45.20 | Kyral_Laptop | Its kinda a Zen feeling if you think about life like that... |
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| 14:53.26 | Kyral_Laptop | Hey I just heard a rumor from the Arch guys |
| 14:53.48 | Kyral_Laptop | they said KDE's default location will change from /opt/kde to /usr at sometime |
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| 14:54.25 | Dr_willis | its /usr under Ubuntu now. |
| 14:54.35 | Dr_willis | I cant recall the last time i saw it in /opt |
| 14:54.41 | Kyral_Laptop | ..they always do that though |
| 14:54.52 | Kyral_Laptop | Its part of the Debian Packaging Guidelins |
| 14:55.28 | Kyral_Laptop | Arch installs with the default configure...which puts KDE in /opt/kde |
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| 14:56.29 | Jucato | where KDE is installed is up to the distro |
| 14:56.54 | Kyral_Laptop | Jucato: But if you run ./configure without specifying --prefix then it defaults to /opt/kde |
| 14:56.54 | Jucato | on Gentoo it's /usr/kde/3.5/ |
| 14:57.18 | Tm_T | Kyral_Laptop: Ubuntu/Debian defaults with ./configure to /usr/share |
| 14:57.33 | Kyral_Laptop | Tm_T: Hmm...ah well |
| 14:57.41 | Tm_T | no! |
| 14:57.41 | Kyral_Laptop | I haven't made a Debian package in years so... |
| 14:57.46 | Tm_T | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.52 | Kyral_Laptop | Okay that is WRONG |
| 14:58.02 | Tm_T | what is wrong? |
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| 14:58.03 | Jucato | Tm_T: /usr actually |
| 14:58.09 | Jucato | (iirc) |
| 14:58.15 | Kyral_Laptop | Debian Packaging Guidelines expressly forbid installing a package into /usr/local |
| 14:58.18 | Tm_T | Jucato: hmm? |
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| 14:58.31 | Jucato | Tm_T: it wouldn't be in /usr/share. it would be in /usr |
| 14:58.32 | Tm_T | yes, packages goes to /usr |
| 14:58.43 | Jucato | the default ./configure w/o --prefix |
| 14:58.48 | Kyral_Laptop | /usr/local is an area that is off limits to dpkg |
| 14:59.00 | Tm_T | Jucato: yes, I see, ofcourse with packaging |
| 14:59.12 | Jucato | Tm_T: even w/o packaging |
| 14:59.22 | Kyral_Laptop | Now I'm confused |
| 14:59.27 | Tm_T | Jucato: err |
| 14:59.36 | Tm_T | Jucato: what you're talking about? |
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| 14:59.45 | Jucato | last I checked, it installed to /usr if you ran .configure, make, sudo make install |
| 14:59.54 | Tm_T | Jucato: let's see... |
| 15:00.26 | Jucato | emphasis on "last I checked"... |
| 15:00.41 | Kyral_Laptop | Ahh |
| 15:00.47 | Jucato | but I've never done configure w/o --prefix from the day I learned about --prefix :) |
| 15:00.53 | Kyral_Laptop | So Arch's PKGBUILD does force it to /opt/kde |
| 15:00.57 | Kyral_Laptop | So I'm wrong |
| 15:01.36 | Tm_T | Jucato: interesting |
| 15:01.56 | Jucato | maybe I'm wrong. *shrugs* |
| 15:01.58 | Kyral_Laptop | You want an awesome ./configure? Check out Apache's |
| 15:02.08 | Kyral_Laptop | So many frickin' options |
| 15:02.27 | Tm_T | Jucato: looks like it has been changed from the old days (or varies between apps), but now it uses kde-config to check install dir |
| 15:02.44 | Jucato | I see... |
| 15:02.47 | Tm_T | Jucato: so now it defaults because of kde-config to /usr |
| 15:03.00 | Tm_T | haven't seen that before |
| 15:03.02 | Kyral_Laptop | I was just curious |
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| 15:03.15 | Tm_T | Kyral_Laptop: you need to check from system without any KDE stuff |
| 15:03.29 | Kyral_Laptop | LFS!! |
| 15:03.32 | Tm_T | because kde-config messes it sorta |
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| 15:05.31 | Tm_T | Jucato: so, actually there's no "default" in that sense |
| 15:05.49 | Jucato | I see... |
| 15:08.23 | Tm_T | although prolly config or makefile stuff holds that good old /usr/local as "default" |
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| 15:11.30 | pbn | Hello, I have a problem with pppd in kppp. pppd crashes with signal 1 everytime kppp calls it. Is there some way to tell kppp to run pppd with strace (strace pppd) ? |
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| 15:19.27 | Alumin | is there a way to get KDE 3.5.5 to not draw the desktop? I want to do stuff on the root window, but the KDE desktop covers it |
| 15:19.43 | Alumin | (I know that by doing this I'll lose all desktop icons and click ability, and I'm OK with that) |
| 15:19.44 | wolsni | Alumin: dcopquit kdesktop |
| 15:19.51 | wolsni | then save your session |
| 15:20.07 | Alumin | oh, it's not part of kwin? |
| 15:20.12 | wolsni | nope |
| 15:20.20 | Alumin | no wonder I couldn't find anything about it :P |
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| 15:21.26 | Alumin | ok, I think I'm gonna have to edit the session some other way...when I quit it, it launched again a few seconds later |
| 15:21.36 | Alumin | but that's cool, shouldn't be hard now that I know where to look |
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| 15:31.45 | Alumin | wolsni: OK, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place...I'm in the "System Settings", "Session Manager", "Advanced" tab ... there's not really a list of session items. There's a field called "Applications to be excluded from sessions", but I added kdesktop to it, saved, and ran the dcopquit command again and it still re-launched |
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| 15:33.10 | Alumin | do I need to do "dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession" now that I've added kdesktop to that field? Or is that just going to re-save the actual current session where kdesktop is in fact running? |
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| 15:34.36 | Alumin | perhaps log out and log back in? Don't really want to do that right now, with a million apps running, but if that's the procedure I can do it later, don't need the root window right this minute |
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| 15:40.28 | blight_ | hi |
| 15:40.57 | blight_ | what is needed so i can mount and unmount USB sticks from KDE with my normal user? |
| 15:41.07 | blight_ | (so no root access is required) |
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| 15:43.41 | Alumin | blight_: edit /etc/fstab and put the "user" option in |
| 15:44.54 | Alumin | note: you'll want to either put separate entries for /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 etc |
| 15:45.03 | Alumin | since it won't be the same device name every time |
| 15:45.07 | Alumin | that's the easy way |
| 15:45.18 | blight_ | n/m, found it in the gentoo docs |
| 15:45.27 | Kyral_Laptop | Alumin: Actually..udev won't be anal like that |
| 15:45.27 | Alumin | or you can have your fstab use the UUID=.... syntax instead of the block device name |
| 15:45.34 | Kyral_Laptop | most of the time |
| 15:45.34 | blight_ | i dont want to do it this way cause i dont want to have to change it if i replace a disk |
| 15:45.40 | blight_ | i mean remove or add one |
| 15:45.48 | Kyral_Laptop | blight_: Are we talking HDs or stuff like USBKeys? |
| 15:45.58 | blight_ | usb sticks, hds, anything USB storage ;) |
| 15:46.11 | blight_ | + scsi - all show up as /dev/sd* |
| 15:46.12 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah...udev should take care of that (along with HAL) |
| 15:46.24 | blight_ | yes thats what i am going to install i guess :) |
| 15:46.27 | blight_ | thanks! |
| 15:46.33 | Alumin | I'm using udev right now I think in Ubuntu |
| 15:46.36 | Kyral_Laptop | I never added in anything for my usbkey and KDE picks up and mounts it fine |
| 15:46.42 | Alumin | and I still have inconsistent device name assignment |
| 15:46.49 | Kyral_Laptop | Alumin: I think most distros are using UDev right now |
| 15:47.14 | Alumin | one of these days I'll get around to using UUID=... or LABEL=... in my fstab and solve the problem |
| 15:47.26 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah I use LABEL for my HDs |
| 15:47.38 | wolsni | Alumin: i'm not sure, my kdesktop stays dead when i dcopquit it |
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| 15:47.51 | Kyral_Laptop | after the whole switchover in the kernel to the new PATA subsystem renamed all the IDE nodes... |
| 15:47.58 | Alumin | wolsni: maybe if I add "please" to the command line :P |
| 15:49.06 | Alumin | I'll try logging out, perhaps that's required for the "exclude from session" thing to take effect |
| 15:49.28 | wolsni | Alumin: well, sessions only apply to logging in |
| 15:49.47 | wolsni | i mean, editing that list won't keep programs from running |
| 15:49.56 | wolsni | it will just keep them from autostarting |
| 15:50.12 | Alumin | hmm ok |
| 15:50.18 | Alumin | something else must be restarting it then |
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| 15:52.19 | Alumin | I remember from my GNOME days (hmm, seems so long ago now) that there was a session manager with a list of programs in it, and options to have them automatically restart vs just start once at login...is there a KDE tool like that? |
| 15:52.57 | wolsni | Alumin: as far as I know, that session manager is all there is |
| 15:53.06 | Alumin | k |
| 15:53.06 | wolsni | that is, the one in kcontrol |
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| 15:53.15 | Alumin | I probably just need to log out and back in then |
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| 15:58.20 | plb | hrm are there any screenshots of this raptor menu in KDE4 yet? |
| 15:58.34 | wolsni | "raptor menu" ? |
| 15:58.50 | plb | isn't that the new menu for KDE4? |
| 15:58.58 | plb | so I've heard anyway |
| 15:58.59 | Skrot- | yupp, it is |
| 15:59.13 | wolsni | reference? |
| 15:59.14 | Skrot- | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Menu |
| 15:59.21 | wolsni | thanks :) |
| 16:00.08 | plb | hrm sounds like it will be kinda like kbfx |
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| 16:01.36 | plb | Progress Report Fri Sep 29 2006 |
| 16:01.41 | plb | bit out of date it seems heh |
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| 16:01.53 | plb | wonder where it's at now |
| 16:02.27 | Skrot- | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/raptor/ perhaps |
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| 16:05.08 | whirm | i'm trying to build kde4 from svn, but i'm stuck trying to compile kdepimlibs, I get this: http://pastebin.ca/561832 |
| 16:05.40 | pinotree | you require an uptodated qt-copy |
| 16:05.45 | pinotree | (or qt4.3.0) |
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| 16:06.51 | whirm | pinotree: I have it here: /home/whirm/src/kde4/build/qt-copy , and QTDIR is pointing to it... |
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| 16:07.01 | pinotree | is that updated? |
| 16:07.08 | whirm | pinotree: what can I be doing wrong? |
| 16:07.20 | whirm | pinotree: yes, updated to today :-) |
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| 16:07.48 | pinotree | you have something old around |
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| 16:09.01 | whirm | pinotree: maybe debian's qt packages? |
| 16:10.22 | pinotree | don't think so, i don't see its include paths in the compiling log you posted |
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| 16:11.44 | whirm | pinotree, full log: http://pastebin.ca/561847 |
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| 16:15.29 | plb | KDE4 packages are supposed to land in unstable upon the first beta release =) |
| 16:15.29 | plb | end of june i guess? |
| 16:15.30 | whirm | plb: cool :-) |
| 16:17.30 | whirm | pinotree: seems to detect the correct version right? |
| 16:17.37 | pinotree | seems so |
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| 16:22.51 | whirm | pinotree:Thanks for the help anyway :-) |
| 16:23.01 | whirm | Any idea about what should I try next? |
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| 16:52.51 | benJIman | Sho_: seen nvidia changelog? |
| 16:52.54 | benJIman | "Improved RenderAccel support for subpixel antialiased fonts." |
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| 17:04.08 | Sho_ | benJIman: oh, interesting |
| 17:04.10 | Sho_ | benJIman: Tried it yet? |
| 17:05.36 | benJIman | Sho_: just installed it. |
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| 17:05.50 | benJIman | It does seem faster, but still a lot slower than without antialiasing. |
| 17:05.56 | eNTi | hi. does anyone know, if there's a way to theme kerry? |
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| 17:06.17 | Sho_ | benJIman: hmhm .. |
| 17:06.18 | benJIman | eNTi: you can theme KDE, you want to adjust a particular KDE application? |
| 17:06.41 | Sho_ | benJIman: I'll try it tomorrow, right now I'm playing with my new toy (Nokia N800) |
| 17:06.47 | wolsni | he probably wants to style the kerry results viewer |
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| 17:07.01 | Jucato | pfft... n800... :( |
| 17:07.05 | eNTi | benJIman: i want to theme the kerry k menu. it's all white and shiny, which is neat, but i would like it black and shiny :D |
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| 17:07.35 | wolsni | eNTi: use beryl and set that window to have colors inverted :P |
| 17:07.43 | eNTi | :) |
| 17:08.03 | eNTi | beryl is too unstable. kde is unstable enough as it is atm |
| 17:08.10 | benJIman | eNTi: menu? do you mean kickoff? kerry is a beagle search frontend |
| 17:08.25 | eNTi | benJIman: hmm... yeah probably. |
| 17:08.39 | eNTi | that menu thingy, that integrates kerry :) |
| 17:08.39 | benJIman | It follows the kde theme. |
| 17:08.43 | eNTi | i think it's kerry |
| 17:08.51 | benJIman | eNTi: it doesn't |
| 17:09.08 | benJIman | That's kickoff which does use beagle results yes, kerry is a beagle frontend for kde. |
| 17:09.18 | eNTi | ok :). thx for the clarification |
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| 17:12.36 | eNTi | hmm.. another strange thing... why is the panel background image rotated? |
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| 17:23.32 | MinceR | eNTi: you could try tastymenu |
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| 17:23.53 | MinceR | and the image might be rotated because your panel is set to the left or right side, i guess |
| 17:26.03 | eNTi | MinceR: actually my panel is at the top |
| 17:26.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | Does anyone know if most graphics card support opengl? |
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| 17:26.49 | Jejem | CPrgmSwR2: yup |
| 17:26.52 | eNTi | i've temoprarily dragged it to the bottom AFTER i turned off the background image. then activated the image and dragged it up again. that seems to work... at least until you reset it again. |
| 17:26.54 | wolsni | CPrgmSwR2: um, yes |
| 17:27.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay good because I am going to use QGLWidget for my game |
| 17:27.12 | eNTi | if you turn it on off before you drag it, it won't work |
| 17:27.23 | eNTi | ah... the other way round :) |
| 17:27.34 | eNTi | if you turn it off after you dragged it, it won't work. |
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| 17:32.28 | MinceR | you could pre-rotate your image, put the panel in place and not move it any more :) |
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| 17:33.29 | wolsni | well, doesn't the rotation mean that the picture stays aligned when you move the panel? |
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| 17:36.18 | eNTi | wolsni: not sure what you mean. |
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| 17:36.52 | wolsni | you're talking about the kicker background image, right? |
| 17:37.03 | eNTi | wolsni: yes |
| 17:37.13 | wolsni | it's rotated when you put the panel some place other than the bottom of the screen? |
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| 17:38.09 | eNTi | wolsni: it's even rotated on the bottom sometimes. it depends, where it is at the state (with/without image) it is in, when i apply the picture. |
| 17:38.23 | eNTi | just try it out yourself. it seems totally chaotic to me :) |
| 17:39.26 | eNTi | i've got two panels. that might add to the confusion of kde |
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| 17:40.54 | wolsni | maybe so |
| 17:40.59 | eNTi | atm if i drag it down -> switch of the picture. it's placed at the top again (automatically) with the default grey background. i need to drag it down again and switch on the picture. then it will be (automatically) placed on top again, with the picture aligend as it's supposed to be. if i change anything at the background of the kicker panel again, it will be rotated again. |
| 17:41.20 | wolsni | bugs.kde.org would be the place to go with the problem in that case |
| 17:41.42 | eNTi | lots of agains in there, sorry :) |
| 17:42.00 | eNTi | yeah i'll make a bug report |
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| 17:42.18 | wolsni | don't forget to search first |
| 17:43.16 | eNTi | sure |
| 17:43.29 | eNTi | bugs.kde.org is overfull :) |
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| 17:43.43 | eNTi | if there is such a word :) |
| 17:43.58 | wolsni | well, you're not the first to use it |
| 17:44.22 | eNTi | it's not my first time i use it :) |
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| 17:45.07 | akSeya | hi there |
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| 17:59.33 | khalid | salut |
| 18:00.27 | khalid | brauche hilfe |
| 18:01.08 | khalid | ist da jemand |
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| 18:01.53 | icwiener | khalid: english please or #kde.de |
| 18:02.02 | tuxick | how come crap like nspluginviewer can keep konqueror from redrawing at all? |
| 18:02.09 | tuxick | wasn't kde/qt threading? |
| 18:02.31 | thiago | nspluginviewer is a separate process |
| 18:02.58 | khalid | français okay |
| 18:03.00 | tuxick | then how come konqueror won't redraw? |
| 18:03.06 | tuxick | it's giving me the gnome look |
| 18:03.30 | tuxick | in fact i've seen this happen with kmail as well |
| 18:03.38 | icwiener | khalid: Maybe there is a #kde.fr or #kde-fr channel. |
| 18:04.12 | khalid | danke |
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| 18:07.05 | KDEusr | anyone in here know what makes kde have fading windows and kmenu? |
| 18:07.21 | KDEusr | its nothing that has to deal with beryl or compiz, but my windows are fading and i hate it |
| 18:07.24 | KDEusr | i want to take it off |
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| 18:10.11 | wolsni | KDEusr: choose "configure window behavior" from any window title menu |
| 18:10.32 | wolsni | then go to the translucency settings |
| 18:10.50 | tuxick | yup, killing nspluginviewer restored konq |
| 18:11.20 | KDEusr | thanks |
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| 18:12.52 | |timrs| | hey |
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| 18:24.47 | |timrs| | hey |
| 18:24.49 | picca | i tried safari on windows today and have to say that konqueror on linux seems more snappier |
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| 18:25.05 | picca | the rendering of pages seems so much quicker in konqueror |
| 18:25.07 | |timrs| | i downloaded that but never went into windows to try it yet |
| 18:25.12 | |timrs| | does it run under wine? |
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| 18:25.26 | picca | dunno |
| 18:25.36 | picca | doubt it |
| 18:25.54 | picca | oh you mean does safari for windows work under wine |
| 18:25.59 | picca | not tried that |
| 18:26.00 | |timrs| | oh well, i kindof have a problem -- does anyone know how to stop the copy dialogue from stalling? |
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| 18:29.53 | neopc | OIE |
| 18:30.10 | |timrs| | hey |
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| 18:30.56 | neopc | TC DE ONDE? |
| 18:32.03 | thiago | neopc: English, please, turn your caps lock off |
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| 18:33.45 | PhinnFort | apachelogger: thanks for packaging tastymenu (properly);) |
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| 18:35.45 | dealer | why knetworkmanager has to be build with unsermake? |
| 18:36.24 | PhinnFort | dealer: maybe because it isn't made by the "official" kde devs? |
| 18:36.49 | dealer | uh |
| 18:37.03 | dealer | i can't find a package for that to gentoo |
| 18:37.05 | dealer | =~ |
| 18:37.20 | PhinnFort | try Kubuntu :D |
| 18:37.36 | dealer | why? |
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| 18:37.57 | PhinnFort | it has knetworkmanager installed by default, and you don't have to compile everything;) |
| 18:38.05 | PhinnFort | (and I use it, and I used to use Gentoo) |
| 18:38.12 | dealer | why change the distro because a package? |
| 18:38.21 | PhinnFort | dealer: it seems like there might be an ebuild in the sabayon overlays |
| 18:38.52 | DexterF | I can't make neither FF nor Opera run java |
| 18:39.01 | |timrs| | i can't remember why i stopped using knetworkmanager, there was a good reason to switch to command line tools though |
| 18:39.07 | DexterF | jre6 pack is installed. what else? |
| 18:39.27 | PhinnFort | |timrs|: waste of memory? |
| 18:39.40 | PhinnFort | DexterF: does this look like a Opera or Firefox channel?;) |
| 18:40.29 | DexterF | PhinnFort: bloody hell, wrong tab |
| 18:40.36 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 18:40.41 | |timrs| | OH, knetworkmanager was started at kde login, not at system startup, which sux |
| 18:40.49 | PhinnFort | ah... |
| 18:40.57 | PhinnFort | but isn't the networkmanager daemon started at boot? |
| 18:41.18 | |timrs| | i don't know, it has problems with apache though.. |
| 18:41.19 | PhinnFort | in other news, I never need internet before I'm logged in |
| 18:41.26 | PhinnFort | ah, that might be troublesome |
| 18:41.52 | PhinnFort | dealer: http://cvill64.org/knm/knetworkmanager-0.1.ebuild |
| 18:42.00 | PhinnFort | capisce? |
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| 18:42.49 | PhinnFort | or rather fetch the newest one from here: http://cvill64.org/knm/ |
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| 18:43.38 | dealer | PhinnFort: put it in net-misc? |
| 18:43.45 | PhinnFort | dealer: probably |
| 18:43.58 | neopc | OIE |
| 18:44.15 | PhinnFort | World organisation for animal health |
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| 18:49.04 | carutsu | Hello |
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| 18:50.07 | carutsu | can Konqueror's FTP client be configured somehow? I'm sure it's trying to query the files list using LIST but for some reason my host uses STAT instead |
| 18:50.21 | desolator | hi! i've got a couple of questions, im really interested to know |
| 18:50.43 | carutsu | I fixed it using KFTGrabber (with help of the very nice developers i must say) but I'd like to use konqueor |
| 18:50.44 | desolator | is KDE4 going to be avaliable for windows as a desktop shell replacement? |
| 18:50.49 | thiago | carutsu: STAT can't be used to list the directories. |
| 18:51.10 | annma | desolator: yuo mean "above" Windows? |
| 18:51.22 | carutsu | thiago: err i'm using it for that right now |
| 18:51.34 | desolator | sort of annma, kill explorer.exe and use kde |
| 18:51.35 | carutsu | thiago: I'm not an FTP gooroo but it's working that way here |
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| 18:51.53 | thiago | carutsu: I see how that could be... |
| 18:51.58 | thiago | carutsu: anyways, LIST is a mandatory command. |
| 18:51.58 | carutsu | thiago: also the server is runing MS FTP |
| 18:52.01 | thiago | carutsu: fix the FTP server. |
| 18:52.12 | annma | desolator: no, it's not going to happen |
| 18:52.15 | carutsu | thiago: how? |
| 18:52.29 | annma | desolator: only applications |
| 18:52.31 | carutsu | thiago: i'm trying to upload a site, I can't fix them |
| 18:52.35 | desolator | annma: can I start an individual project to make KDE a windows desktop shell replacement? |
| 18:52.36 | carutsu | thiago: i don't have access |
| 18:52.46 | desolator | ive been learning a lot about kdelibs and how to compile it |
| 18:52.52 | thiago | carutsu: install a patch to make it behave properly |
| 18:52.58 | annma | desolator: you can start anything you want |
| 18:53.06 | thiago | carutsu: I will not patch kio_ftp to work with servers that don't support LIST |
| 18:53.08 | annma | as long as it's free |
| 18:53.18 | carutsu | thiago: err |
| 18:53.22 | desolator | yeah ill provide the source |
| 18:53.38 | carutsu | desolator: then be free |
| 18:53.41 | carutsu | thiago: |
| 18:53.56 | thiago | carutsu: in the future, we may support some extended commands, but if the server doesn't support LIST (which is a 22-year-old command), it's not likely to support the recent extensions. |
| 18:54.08 | carutsu | thiago: err if KFTPGrabber did it why cant FTP in konqueror? |
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| 18:54.30 | carutsu | thiago: i mean there's a difference between what should and what is |
| 18:54.33 | thiago | carutsu: because I will not fix that. I think FTP servers have to work as expected. |
| 18:54.43 | thiago | we can't patch ALL FTP clients. Better to patch the one FTP server. |
| 18:55.07 | carutsu | thiago: it's not up to me to fix it, is it? |
| 18:55.07 | thiago | so, to answer your question: no, kio_ftp doesn't support any other listing than LIST. |
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| 18:55.21 | thiago | nor will it support that any time soon. |
| 18:55.56 | carutsu | thiago: i'll let them know about their mistake |
| 18:56.29 | carutsu | thiago: however i really think that it should be configurable but i'm not an expert :P |
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| 18:56.50 | thiago | carutsu: no, not configurable. |
| 18:56.59 | thiago | carutsu: if ever we support that kind of stuff, it should be automatic. |
| 18:57.16 | thiago | carutsu: the user shouldn't have to know "my server is broken, let me configure my browser" |
| 18:57.18 | carutsu | thiago: as you wish but it would be nice |
| 18:57.23 | thiago | users barely know what FTP is at all... |
| 18:58.03 | carutsu | thiago: to be able to use it, mm i don't know how to express it... i mean they are wrong but we already though about it |
| 18:58.54 | carutsu | thiago: the server is based on MS FTP so most likelly the are using Windows-only commands, so kio_ftp might (if you think is worth) try with one scheme or other |
| 18:59.04 | thiago | the problem is detecting that |
| 18:59.16 | thiago | I don't think kio_ftp works if the directory listing is not in the Unix (ls) format |
| 18:59.24 | carutsu | here's the list of MS commands http://www.nsftools.com/tips/MSFTP.htm |
| 18:59.39 | carutsu | thiago: actually i can list it using LS |
| 18:59.45 | carutsu | (in command line) |
| 18:59.58 | thiago | that sends NLST, which is also a basic command |
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| 19:00.00 | thiago | now try "dir" |
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| 19:00.13 | carutsu | dir? |
| 19:00.16 | thiago | yes |
| 19:00.19 | carutsu | wait please i shut the conection |
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| 19:01.48 | carutsu | dir does work, also (if it's usefull for something) the OS is Windows 2000 |
| 19:02.39 | carutsu | seems the onli problem is LIST (at least in KFTPGrabber was the problem LIST -a didn't work) |
| 19:02.44 | carutsu | *only sorry |
| 19:03.10 | thiago | try other FTP clients, like the Unix command-line one |
| 19:03.28 | carutsu | I'm under unix command line |
| 19:03.33 | carutsu | ftp ftp.the-sie.com |
| 19:03.41 | carutsu | the site |
| 19:04.03 | carutsu | nop, doesnt like LIST |
| 19:06.17 | carutsu | thiago: well gotta use KFTPGrabber instead :P |
| 19:07.18 | carutsu | thiago: and email them bout their mistake |
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| 19:08.04 | nikolavp | is there an option for telling konsole to use the titlebar to show what is currently the user doing |
| 19:08.12 | nikolavp | it works here but one of my friends is complaining :) |
| 19:08.23 | thiago | it's not konsole's doing |
| 19:08.25 | thiago | it's your shell's |
| 19:08.53 | nikolavp | how can he fix that ? |
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| 19:09.21 | thiago | it's probably the PROMPT_COMMAND function in the shell |
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| 19:11.51 | carutsu | thiago: thank you for your time :} |
| 19:12.14 | thiago | you're welcome |
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| 19:39.24 | andrewbryson | i have a problem with kmail following a fresh install of kubuntu. i can see that there are messages on my email server waiting to be downloaded. when i tell kmail to download them it claims that there are no messages waiting |
| 19:39.41 | andrewbryson | does anyone have any idea what might be wrong ? |
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| 19:41.56 | andrewbryson | version is 3.5.6 |
| 19:42.37 | andrewbryson | i presume that i am missing some component but i do not know what :( |
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| 19:44.17 | andrewbryson | i also cannot connect to msn messenger with kopete even though all of my settings are the same as previously - to me this looks like the same problem as kmail |
| 19:44.23 | andrewbryson | i get no error message or anything in either case |
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| 19:55.11 | insulina | hello |
| 19:56.17 | insulina | i am trying to install kedevelop , but it fails , because cant find libXext , i have that installed but it propably needs the dev , i have libXext source but dont know how to set it for develop and to compile kdevelop |
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| 19:56.49 | insulina | i am instaling kdevelop from src , my dist is goboLinux , and it doesnt have any package like libXext-dev |
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| 19:57.08 | insulina | i am in google but cant find any usefull information about the subject |
| 19:57.13 | insulina | so can anyone help me ? |
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| 19:59.59 | blinx | j ubuntu |
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| 20:08.01 | riwa | Ïs there some built in program for remapping the keyboard in kde? |
| 20:08.24 | riwa | Because the ones I've already set (with xmodmap) doesn't work anymore.. |
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| 20:10.20 | thiago | riwa: KDE obeys the X keyboard layout and mapping. |
| 20:10.23 | thiago | configure that. |
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| 20:18.43 | sebbar | hi, I'm curious about plasma: will it be able to not load a certain plasmoid if the plasmoid is internet dependent but no internet connection is present? |
| 20:19.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | huh |
| 20:19.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | I didn't think plasmoids relied on internet connection |
| 20:19.35 | vprints | Hey :) |
| 20:19.56 | vprints | Does pgquiles stop by here sometimes ? |
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| 20:20.49 | PhinnFort | CPrgmSwR2: I think he means if plasma will be aware of internet connections, so for example weather applets or rss-pulling applets won't be run if there isn't a connection |
| 20:22.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | Oh |
| 20:22.32 | sebbar | CPrgmSwR2: well what about a weather plasmoid for example? |
| 20:22.42 | sebbar | ah ok |
| 20:22.51 | sebbar | yeah that's what I meant |
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| 20:24.18 | PhinnFort | sebbar: I haven't seen a mention of it, but mention it for one of the devs and it'll probably be implemented |
| 20:24.21 | PhinnFort | it sounds usefull;) |
| 20:24.30 | PhinnFort | (and doesn't sound too complicated) |
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| 20:24.37 | andrewbryson | heh |
| 20:24.45 | andrewbryson | that is an important qualification :P |
| 20:25.01 | PhinnFort | :P |
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| 20:25.23 | PhinnFort | shouldn't solid or something be able to tell wether there is a working internet connection? |
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| 20:26.13 | andrewbryson | as a general rule network software checks to see if the network connection exists |
| 20:26.24 | andrewbryson | or rather, catches the exception when it does not |
| 20:26.35 | andrewbryson | one of the two |
| 20:26.37 | andrewbryson | possibly both |
| 20:26.39 | PhinnFort | well, I thought abstraction was alpha and omega here |
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| 20:27.33 | PhinnFort | i.e. kde networked apps doesn't check themselves, but have some library function to do it for them |
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| 20:34.54 | TheGateKeeper | what is the url for reporting k3b bugs please? |
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| 20:35.25 | annma | in Help menu for k3b |
| 20:35.31 | annma | there's a Report bug item |
| 20:35.35 | annma | or bugs.kde.org |
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| 20:36.24 | TheGateKeeper | thanks :/ |
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| 20:49.20 | killown | when kde to be released? |
| 20:49.24 | killown | when kde4 to be released? |
| 20:49.26 | killown | sorry |
| 20:50.08 | PhinnFort | ~kde4 |
| 20:50.10 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 20:50.36 | thiago | killown: when it's ready |
| 20:50.41 | killown | PhinnFort, kde4 was released? |
| 20:50.51 | thiago | killown: current estimates are sometime in October/November |
| 20:51.06 | PhinnFort | killown: no, but that is supposed to trigger an automatic response from the bot (apt) |
| 20:51.14 | killown | beta version have many bugs though? |
| 20:51.20 | thiago | killown: no |
| 20:51.22 | thiago | killown: and yes |
| 20:51.33 | thiago | "KDE 4 beta" is an empty set |
| 20:51.40 | killown | ok |
| 20:51.41 | thiago | so there are many bugs and no bugs :-) |
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| 21:06.14 | tuxick | thiago: the schroedinger release? |
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| 21:06.31 | Edulix | hi |
| 21:06.33 | Edulix | enter in http://lacienciadehacerserico.com/felicitaciones.htm?code=S01 and right click in the pdf |
| 21:06.35 | Edulix | does the popup menu show in your konqi? it doesn't to me... |
| 21:06.37 | Edulix | (kde 3.5.7) |
| 21:06.47 | thiago | tuxick: no, simple set theory |
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| 21:07.57 | thiago | tuxick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set#Properties |
| 21:08.03 | harlequin516 | I am writing a bash script using dcop to startup several terminal widnows of konsole. Can someone tell me how I can get a command to execute in an opened window? I couldn't find a function to do this, but I wonder if it is just not obvious from the interface. |
| 21:08.38 | thiago | harlequin516: you need to run konsole with --script |
| 21:08.47 | harlequin516 | Anyone know dcop? or specifically the dcop konsole-3435 .... interfaces? |
| 21:09.06 | harlequin516 | thiago Oh ! |
| 21:09.29 | tuxick | thiago: ow, my konqueror doesn't show the symbols on that page |
| 21:09.36 | tuxick | any idea where to fix? |
| 21:09.44 | thiago | tuxick: use another font |
| 21:10.20 | tuxick | i even get kanji and cyrillic on the left |
| 21:10.28 | tuxick | just no math symbols |
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| 21:12.44 | harlequin516 | thiago: Excellent sendSession!!! Thanks! |
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| 21:16.05 | tuxick | hmm, math symbols are ok on FF |
| 21:16.54 | tuxick | thiago: i can't really imagine sans sarif would be a bad choice? and isn't the actual font selected in css anyway? |
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| 21:17.06 | tuxick | sans serif too |
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| 22:05.06 | oGanso | anyone knows the state of kdeaddons-kfile-plugins? |
| 22:06.31 | Yupsed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:13.59 | sokol99 | Hi. Another gentoo question: After I install one of the 'meta' packages can I then uninstall the programs I don't want? Will they stay off when I "emerge world" at some later point? |
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| 22:14.25 | Jejem | sokol99: you're in #KDE, not in #gentoo ... |
| 22:14.26 | pinotree | sokol99: #gentoo-kde please |
| 22:14.42 | pinotree | Yupsed: those pastes are not found |
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| 22:15.10 | vprints | Does pgquiles stop by here sometimes ? |
| 22:15.30 | sokol99 | I'll try them...again. |
| 22:15.37 | Jejem | Yupsed: please verify before pasting URLs .. |
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| 22:16.02 | Yupsed | :D |
| 22:16.09 | pgquiles | vprints: ping |
| 22:16.10 | Yupsed | I have a little problem compiling some KDE stuff (kontact, kmail...); failog here -> http://rafb.net/p/WHDLau64.html emerge info here -> http://rafb.net/p/55xvQU93.html |
| 22:16.30 | vprints | =) |
| 22:16.34 | Yupsed | now... but it's no a KDE problem... i think its a gentoo problem... |
| 22:16.35 | vprints | pong |
| 22:16.56 | pinotree | Yupsed: borked c++ system |
| 22:17.24 | Yupsed | It seems... :/ |
| 22:17.27 | pinotree | you have c++ libraries compiled with different ABI versions of libstdc++ |
| 22:17.36 | Yupsed | ABI? |
| 22:17.39 | pinotree | #gentoo please, not a kde problem |
| 22:17.43 | Yupsed | sure... |
| 22:17.47 | Yupsed | thanks pinotree :) |
| 22:17.48 | pinotree | ABI == Application Binary Interface |
| 22:17.51 | Yupsed | and sorry :$ |
| 22:17.54 | pgquiles | vprints: what did you want? |
| 22:17.58 | vprints | pgquiles, you don't know me yet =P, but I noticed that You are arriving quite late to Prestwick on 29th =) |
| 22:18.19 | pgquiles | vprints: yes, almost midnight |
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| 22:18.35 | pgquiles | vprints: maybe #akademy is the best place for this conversation :-) |
| 22:18.43 | vprints | uuh |
| 22:18.49 | vprints | You are right =9 |
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| 22:30.43 | andrewbryson | if anyone is interested, the problem has now been resolved |
| 22:31.04 | andrewbryson | it turns out that if knetworkmanager is running then kmail cannot download email and kopete cannot connect to msn messenger |
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| 22:32.18 | jwallingford | i see a lot of screenshots of people with what looks like a osx style toolbar. how do they do that? |
| 22:32.43 | wolsni | jwallingford: probably kxdocker or kooldock |
| 22:32.55 | jwallingford | which is better? |
| 22:33.40 | wolsni | well, i think kxdocker is no longer under development |
| 22:34.00 | jwallingford | oh |
| 22:38.32 | wolsni | jwallingford: looks like kxdocker has been renamed to xqde |
| 22:38.36 | wolsni | http://xqde.xiaprojects.com/ |
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| 23:05.34 | maver1ck | hi |
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| 23:06.04 | maver1ck | I'm looking for advice with ksmserver |
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| 23:11.06 | maver1ck | and kdm |
| 23:11.47 | maver1ck | do you know what's that socket for ? |
| 23:11.49 | maver1ck | var/run/xdmctl/dmctl-:1/socke |
| 23:11.57 | maver1ck | /var/run/xdmctl/dmctl-:1/socket |
| 23:13.31 | shevy | hmm what is the name of those small icons in the lower right... "plugged in fully charged".. speaker icon "volume at 25%" etc.. |
| 23:15.15 | coolbreeze | shevy: they're app icons that appear in the System Tray applet |
| 23:16.25 | shevy | ok thanks |
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