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| 00:19.49 | Shizuo | GNOME IS BETTER |
| 00:19.52 | Shizuo | </troll> |
| 00:20.03 | Shizuo | Hi |
| 00:20.17 | xororand | omg no it isn't! :P |
| 00:20.27 | mardi | LOlolOL0 |
| 00:20.30 | johnny69 | May I ask jut HOW many cross-licensing farce agreements are going to be signed with satan himself before GPL3 FINALLY gets out the door and stops this abomination that's taking place? |
| 00:20.31 | smileaf | what a way to start a conversation. |
| 00:20.39 | wolsni | hm, a Gnome troll |
| 00:20.50 | wolsni | sounds like an ugly hybrid there :P |
| 00:20.52 | missdeft | Olá!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:21.04 | smileaf | wolsni: Mmm.. very true. |
| 00:21.07 | Shizuo | GPL3 sucks |
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| 00:21.16 | PhinnFort | wolsni: doesn't compute, trolls are norwegian, and Qt is norwegian, GTK is not |
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| 00:21.23 | PhinnFort | or something... |
| 00:21.34 | smileaf | PhinnFort: like he said, an ugly hybrid. |
| 00:21.38 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 00:22.18 | Shizuo | Are you guys talking about penis? |
| 00:22.26 | smileaf | at least Qt Trolls come natural =) GTK trolls sound painful. |
| 00:22.36 | Shizuo | Omg penis |
| 00:22.54 | johnny69 | Shizuo: But what the gpl2 is ALLOWING is much better, right? |
| 00:23.18 | wolsni | btw, I have a weird issue here |
| 00:23.23 | Shizuo | johnny69: I don't get it |
| 00:23.41 | wolsni | man:/ and info:/ generated html seems to have the wrong directory for includes |
| 00:23.41 | smileaf | Shizuo: version 2 is less restrictive than version 3 |
| 00:23.49 | wolsni | like css and images |
| 00:23.49 | Shizuo | Yes |
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| 00:23.54 | johnny69 | Shizuo: Xandors just signed a deal Ms just like suse/novell did. |
| 00:23.58 | Shizuo | Wich is great, smileaf |
| 00:24.00 | johnny69 | errr xandros |
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| 00:24.09 | Shizuo | So what, johnny69? |
| 00:24.41 | PhinnFort | that's bad |
| 00:24.46 | wolsni | does anyone know where KDE looks to figure out the directory those things are in? |
| 00:24.50 | PhinnFort | they pay for protection from imaginary threats |
| 00:24.58 | johnny69 | PhinnFort: Yep |
| 00:25.03 | smileaf | wolsni: what things? |
| 00:25.07 | Shizuo | ? |
| 00:25.18 | smileaf | wolsni: Oh my bad.. |
| 00:25.20 | wolsni | smileaf: man:/ and info:/ generated html seems to have the wrong directory for includes |
| 00:25.20 | PhinnFort | and therefore making the threat look more real |
| 00:25.27 | johnny69 | Oh, and LG...the makers of cell phones and other things JUST signed the SAME patent agreement /racketeering/protection plan with MS as well |
| 00:25.28 | Shizuo | So what |
| 00:25.38 | Shizuo | Are we making the GPL a communist license |
| 00:25.43 | Shizuo | Just because of MS's agreements? |
| 00:25.46 | Shizuo | That means MS won |
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| 00:26.33 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: wtf? |
| 00:26.39 | PhinnFort | who talks about communism |
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| 00:26.44 | smileaf | wolsni: I would assume it uses KStandardDirs to do a locate question is what type of data is it asking for? |
| 00:26.52 | smileaf | PhinnFort: thats pretty much what GPL is. |
| 00:26.56 | PhinnFort | you can have you government exactly as you like it, just don't try to steal our software;) |
| 00:26.56 | Shizuo | The GPL 3 is hostile towards commercial use of free software |
| 00:27.11 | johnny69 | We got linux distributions hopping in bed with MS because they are afraid of being litigated to death, we got serious problems in the linux world. |
| 00:27.13 | Shizuo | That's commie stuff |
| 00:27.20 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: not hostile against commercial use, if you write it yourself, just against siphoning of others work |
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| 00:27.23 | PhinnFort | very capitalistic, imho |
| 00:27.24 | wolsni | well, i looked at the html and it just puts the URLs without the KDEDIR prefix |
| 00:27.30 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: Whatever |
| 00:27.38 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: You can dual license |
| 00:27.45 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: look at Qt, for example |
| 00:27.48 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: It's hostile against commercial use of the existing free software soft base |
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| 00:27.50 | smileaf | wolsni: that would be a problem.. |
| 00:28.01 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: the GPL isn't hostile against commercial use |
| 00:28.06 | wolsni | like file:/en/common/kde-default.css instead of file:/usr/en/common/kde-default.css |
| 00:28.19 | Shizuo | That means alomost 100% of companies that ever patented anything will not be able to use GPL 3 software without losing patent rights |
| 00:28.27 | Shizuo | That's pretty hostile |
| 00:28.37 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: so you think software patents are a good thing? |
| 00:28.38 | coolbreeze | that's perfect |
| 00:28.49 | smileaf | wolsni: seems to be working fine here. so I'd assume something is wrong with your setup or package. |
| 00:28.54 | coolbreeze | and no, it's not 'commie' |
| 00:28.56 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: Who cares? Those are not my rules |
| 00:29.07 | wolsni | smileaf: I assume so as well |
| 00:29.10 | Shizuo | Ok |
| 00:29.17 | johnny69 | PhinnFort: I'd like to know, how do these idiots that are making cross-licensing deals with Balmer and the rest of those idiots plan to continue once gpl3 goes into effect? They will be effectively cut off from all updates to the linux base, most of the kernel... and both major desktops...(Kde/Gnome) How can they continue as a business ? |
| 00:29.18 | Shizuo | You people want a license that hates patents |
| 00:29.19 | Shizuo | Fine |
| 00:29.22 | smileaf | wolsni: distro? |
| 00:29.22 | Shizuo | But there is a price for it |
| 00:29.29 | Shizuo | And it will be lack of usage |
| 00:29.33 | wolsni | hmm, maybe I should create a new account and diff the config files if it works there... |
| 00:29.35 | PhinnFort | johnny69: who knows... |
| 00:29.36 | wolsni | I'm on fedora |
| 00:29.43 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: how so? |
| 00:29.52 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: How so? |
| 00:29.54 | wolsni | it was working before I upgraded to Fedora 7 |
| 00:29.55 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: you just go spouting out claims, and don't care to back it up |
| 00:30.00 | smileaf | wolsni: might ask in their channel. |
| 00:30.01 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: Can you see linksys using Linux now? |
| 00:30.02 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: why will less people be using it? |
| 00:30.13 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: They will never use Linux on a router again, after GPL 3 |
| 00:30.23 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: are you sure? |
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| 00:30.30 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: They can't afford to lose patent litigation rights because of GPL 3 |
| 00:30.51 | Shizuo | Same thing for almost every company that has patents on anything |
| 00:30.54 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: do you have a press release from Linksys, or are you making up stuff again |
| 00:31.06 | Shizuo | PhinnFort: I'm discussing the license |
| 00:31.14 | johnny69 | Novell mentioned just a few days ago that the gpl3 will significantly hinder their "deal" with MS...and very well could force them to modify or completely dismantle same said deal as they won't be able to pay extortion money to those idiots and still distribute linux. (which is a good thing if you ask me) |
| 00:31.16 | Shizuo | GPL 3 is not out yet |
| 00:31.18 | smileaf | PhinnFort: if thats the way things are then I'd say its common sense that they'd not use it. |
| 00:31.33 | straw | haven't linksys been gpl violators in the past? |
| 00:31.39 | Shizuo | Yes |
| 00:31.44 | Shizuo | "violators" |
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| 00:32.22 | PhinnFort | well, if I was Torvalds, I'd rather have people using my software for the quality, than the price |
| 00:32.31 | Shizuo | Whatever, you're not torvalds |
| 00:32.32 | PhinnFort | and if that's the case, then they'll continue to use linux codebase |
| 00:32.35 | Shizuo | And it's not his software |
| 00:32.42 | smileaf | I have read that the Linux Kernel will not use GPL3 |
| 00:32.49 | Shizuo | [21:32] <PhinnFort> and if that's the case, then they'll continue to use linux codebase |
| 00:32.54 | Shizuo | Have you ever read GPL 3? |
| 00:33.02 | Shizuo | Quality will not matter anymore |
| 00:33.07 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: I haven't read the latest drafts |
| 00:33.13 | PhinnFort | how so? |
| 00:33.14 | Shizuo | Because using GPL 3-licensed software is worse than marrying someone |
| 00:33.40 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: how so? |
| 00:33.40 | Shizuo | They won't use Linux again because GPL 3 states that whoever does that is giving up on rights to sue because of patents |
| 00:33.43 | straw | if you consider marriage a bad thing... |
| 00:33.52 | johnny69 | I'm really surprised they haven't rushed gpl3 out much faster in light of the protection racket money M.S is using against linux right now. You would think they would have alrady released and tried to surround as much of "Linux/Gnu" as possible as FAST as possible. I'm just surprised to see them draggin their feet on this. |
| 00:34.08 | smileaf | straw: glad to see I wasn't the only one that didn't agree with that statement ;) |
| 00:34.11 | PhinnFort | johnny69: it's supposed to be out in july |
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| 00:34.34 | n8k99 | nobody would RUSH a legal and binding contract that will have long term ramifications |
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| 00:34.40 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: much of the linux codebase is gpl v2 or later |
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| 00:35.16 | Shizuo | If Linux ever turns GPL 3 |
| 00:35.17 | straw | i, for one, will happily point and laugh at any company that can't deal with gpl'd software |
| 00:35.26 | Shizuo | Then we can all forget mainstream adoption |
| 00:35.34 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: again, why/how? |
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| 00:35.56 | straw | Shizuo: hardly. *bsd has not had that result |
| 00:35.57 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: software patents are dying, and should be rightly so |
| 00:36.02 | Shizuo | "Hey John, don't use Linux at our servers, we have lots of patents and the legal department has sent us an order to avoid it" |
| 00:36.16 | straw | FUD |
| 00:36.20 | Shizuo | straw: BSD lacks the patent part of GPL 3 |
| 00:36.21 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: that's crap |
| 00:36.28 | Shizuo | No it's not |
| 00:36.32 | Shizuo | People, read the GPL 3 |
| 00:36.38 | straw | Shizuo: that wasn't my point |
| 00:36.39 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: what he meant was that BSD is liberal, and it isn't as widespread |
| 00:36.48 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: GPL restricts distribution, not use |
| 00:36.49 | Shizuo | [21:36] <PhinnFort> Shizuo: software patents are dying, and should be rightly so |
| 00:36.51 | PhinnFort | afaik |
| 00:36.56 | Shizuo | That's YOUR opinion |
| 00:37.07 | Shizuo | Wich is not the same as the opinion of a company leader |
| 00:37.11 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: why, we don't even have it in Europe |
| 00:37.16 | Shizuo | Companies have a lot of money invested in patents |
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| 00:37.27 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: and even more loose money on it |
| 00:37.37 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: even Microsoft loose a lot of money to patent trolls |
| 00:37.38 | Shizuo | And they will not give up on them just because a bunch of nerds rewrote a license to tell the world they hate patents |
| 00:37.59 | Shizuo | If they're set to choose between using Linux and giving up patents |
| 00:37.59 | straw | some companies make a business out of collecting patents |
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| 00:38.04 | johnny69 | And they are the ones that actually make the laws here in the United States...not the congressmans and senators. You can bet patents of that nature aren't going ANYWHERE. |
| 00:38.07 | PhinnFort | *cough*trolls*cough |
| 00:38.16 | Lanken | has anyone seen that dude |
| 00:38.16 | Shizuo | Don't think much about what they will choose |
| 00:38.17 | straw | which is inherently wrong |
| 00:38.22 | Lanken | that used to be around but now he's not |
| 00:38.24 | Lanken | NZ dude. |
| 00:38.46 | Shizuo | So take a look at companies like big banks, for an instance |
| 00:38.59 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: again, it restricts DISTRIBUTION |
| 00:38.59 | Shizuo | Will they use v3 GPL'd Linux? |
| 00:38.59 | Shizuo | Never |
| 00:39.09 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: why? |
| 00:39.19 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: banks don't have to distribute the linux kernel with modifications |
| 00:39.26 | PhinnFort | they use it |
| 00:39.26 | Shizuo | Because they will distribute, internally, to their servers |
| 00:39.30 | Shizuo | That's also distribution |
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| 00:39.31 | PhinnFort | lol |
| 00:39.35 | Pinaraf | moreover, the kernel isn't going to be GPL3 |
| 00:39.36 | Lanken | Shizuo: no, it's not. |
| 00:39.44 | Shizuo | Distributing is not only about making modifications |
| 00:39.49 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 00:39.50 | smileaf | Pinaraf: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3301105877.html |
| 00:39.53 | Pinaraf | the kernel can't be licensed under GPL3 even if Linus wanted to do so |
| 00:40.03 | Shizuo | Whatever |
| 00:40.05 | straw | Shizuo: you're obviously without a clue on this topic |
| 00:40.06 | PhinnFort | Pinaraf: but a lot of the code is v2 or later |
| 00:40.10 | Shizuo | Make the glibc GPL 3 |
| 00:40.16 | Shizuo | And you just messed up the whole distribution |
| 00:40.17 | Lanken | the kernel won't be. the kernel isn't a problem. the problem is glibc and other essential stuff. |
| 00:40.18 | Pinaraf | PhinnFort: a lot isn't the whole |
| 00:40.20 | johnny69 | Let me ask this... IS GPL3 going to stop this horrendous criminal mafia-racketeering-protection-money crap that Balmer and idiots are committing or not? Is it going to be iron clad and absolutely prevent this from happening in any way shape or form, or NOT? |
| 00:40.33 | PhinnFort | Pinaraf: and if Linus and people don't do an OBSD style cleanout, it will be quite some gpl3 chunks it |
| 00:40.37 | PhinnFort | * in it |
| 00:40.38 | Shizuo | Whatever |
| 00:40.43 | Shizuo | glibc will be GPL 3 |
| 00:40.47 | Shizuo | And all distributions will need it |
| 00:40.55 | Shizuo | So using Linux will mean using v3 GPL'd software |
| 00:41.05 | Shizuo | Meaning that companies holding patents will try to avoid it |
| 00:41.12 | Shizuo | Well, brb |
| 00:41.19 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: only those needing to redistribute gpl3 code |
| 00:41.20 | PhinnFort | ffs |
| 00:41.27 | Shizuo | Hey |
| 00:41.31 | PhinnFort | (a godo thing imho) |
| 00:41.31 | Shizuo | If I give you a Linux CD |
| 00:41.36 | Shizuo | Have I distributed it to you? |
| 00:41.39 | PhinnFort | yup |
| 00:41.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | Any in here using kde4? |
| 00:41.41 | Shizuo | SO |
| 00:41.49 | Shizuo | If the company manager gets a Linux CD |
| 00:41.55 | Shizuo | And hands it over to the IT staff |
| 00:41.56 | PhinnFort | Microsoft can't sue anyone for patent reasons (according to Eben) |
| 00:42.01 | Shizuo | He'll be distributing v3 GPL'd code |
| 00:42.06 | Shizuo | In the company's name |
| 00:42.07 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: as a private person, yes |
| 00:42.17 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: I can't really say its fully usable yet, but yes I do kinda. |
| 00:42.18 | Shizuo | No |
| 00:42.20 | PhinnFort | but IANAL |
| 00:42.21 | Shizuo | As a company member |
| 00:42.40 | Shizuo | So the company will not be able to use Linux without agreeing to GPL 3 restrictions on patents |
| 00:42.40 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: but again, none of this applies to me, as I live happily in Europe |
| 00:42.45 | Shizuo | Meaning they will just not use it |
| 00:42.54 | Shizuo | Well, you're happy |
| 00:43.01 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am using it only because I am developing software |
| 00:43.11 | Shizuo | But you won't be when companies start mass-rejecting Linux distros because of GPL 3 |
| 00:43.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its gotten alot better over the span of a month though |
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| 00:43.17 | Shizuo | Anyway |
| 00:43.18 | Shizuo | Brb |
| 00:43.19 | PhinnFort | Shizuo: usually you have a company that comes and install linux for you |
| 00:43.22 | PhinnFort | that is distributing |
| 00:43.23 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: you might want to head over to #kde4-devel then =) |
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| 00:44.13 | PhinnFort | *3...2...1 |
| 00:44.27 | CPrgmSwR2 | this sux my taskbar died |
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| 00:46.37 | johnny69 | Here's a better question. What M.S goal here? It's obvious they are gearing up to drop one hell of a bomb on linux/gnu in general. What exactly are they planning? |
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| 00:47.23 | Nielsen | johnny69: one last fight before the fall |
| 00:47.34 | amro | I've got my katana under my bed. |
| 00:47.38 | Pinaraf | Nielsen: we said that too often |
| 00:47.45 | Pinaraf | it won't happen soon |
| 00:48.03 | Nielsen | its like the idiot, knowing he's lost, still insults your mother instead of admitting defeat |
| 00:48.32 | johnny69 | Nielsen: I've been reading things over the last few weeks (not pertaining to linux/racket protection) that vista IS a disaster, there is problems within Ms...and things are looking much worse for them. Perhaps you are correct. |
| 00:48.45 | straw | johnny69: they want people to believe it's safer to sign |
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| 00:49.58 | johnny69 | straw: There HAS to be more to it than that. Anytime they've faced an opponent they have poked sticks at it for a year or so...and then dropped ONE LARGE bomb. I'm wondering what their next move is. Common sense would tell anyone it's already planned..and they are waiting. |
| 00:51.07 | Nielsen | well, my guess is someone at m$ HQ has been pissed at the open source community ever since they lost the battle with sun over Java/VM |
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| 00:51.34 | straw | johnny69: remember, OSS is a unique opponent to them. The best they've ever been able to do is posture |
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| 00:52.09 | johnny69 | straw: I agree...and that's what scares me. That they will pull something absolutely HORRENDOUS. |
| 00:52.17 | Nielsen | like with intel, they should have stayed with making fancy alarm clocks |
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| 00:53.21 | Nielsen | perchance, digging up some old patent for point and click, and then suing anyone pointing and clicking with anything not m$ software :D |
| 00:54.11 | johnny69 | Perhaps they just want better interoperability with their crap and linux so the 2 Os's can work better side by side...and they want everyone to be able to co-exist and get along so their customers can run linux servers with ms's products and everyone thing will co-exist happily. (uhhh...yeah...ALlllllrighty THEN!) |
| 00:54.35 | Nielsen | johnny69: oh, did hell freeze over already? |
| 00:54.41 | johnny69 | :) |
| 00:55.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh well |
| 00:55.21 | CPrgmSwR2 | wow its amazing the help thats available for kde development |
| 00:56.15 | Nielsen | CPrgmSwR2: i must have missed the question |
| 00:56.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am using kde4 and it sucks right now because its sooo unstable |
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| 00:57.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | don't get this confused because kde4 looks like it has potential |
| 00:57.11 | pumphaus | CPrgmSwR2: well, why do you use it at all? you can develop without using it all |
| 00:57.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | How do I do that |
| 00:57.34 | amro | look on techbase |
| 00:57.44 | amro | the articles on developing for KDE4 |
| 00:57.53 | pumphaus | just install the libs and stuff (like you presumably already did) and then start developing, under KDE3 or wahtever |
| 00:58.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
| 00:58.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | since I found two developers |
| 00:58.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | let me ask this question I have a qleveledit which I am planning to rename is kLevelEditor the object works very well right now |
| 00:59.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | The only problem is I used a shortcut to display all the images which prevents the ability for having tiles animate |
| 00:59.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | Do you think thats going to be a problem |
| 01:00.36 | pumphaus | no clue |
| 01:00.47 | amro | you just said that it's a problem |
| 01:01.25 | Nielsen | i'd guess anything is possible |
| 01:01.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah thats true dumb question to ask |
| 01:01.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | just I have no idea how to otherwise allow for animation |
| 01:02.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | I just wish I could get some programming help |
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| 01:02.39 | pumphaus | #kde-devel may be a better place for programming help |
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| 01:02.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have been asking there and here for a few days now |
| 01:03.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | along with #kdegames |
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| 01:06.27 | Shizuo | [21:48] <johnny69> Nielsen: I've been reading things over the last few weeks (not pertaining to linux/racket protection) that vista IS a disaster, there is problems within Ms...and things are looking much worse for them. Perhaps you are correct. |
| 01:06.30 | Shizuo | Oh god |
| 01:06.35 | Shizuo | Wishful thinking on steroids |
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| 01:07.30 | PeterFA | Did I hear correctly and there is an open source recipe program for KDE now? |
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| 01:07.53 | wolsni | PeterFA: sure, it's called KRecipe |
| 01:08.00 | wolsni | creative name, no? |
| 01:08.07 | Shizuo | Well |
| 01:08.14 | Shizuo | I hate those krappy names |
| 01:08.23 | Shizuo | I mean, krappy knames |
| 01:08.44 | PeterFA | wolsni, I'm just blown away by what the OpenSource community is coming out with. |
| 01:09.03 | Shizuo | Wow |
| 01:09.09 | Shizuo | Recipe programs |
| 01:09.11 | Shizuo | I mean |
| 01:09.13 | wolsni | it'd be pretty nice if there was some way of keeping it in sync with your kitchen |
| 01:09.17 | Shizuo | That's one step from world domination |
| 01:09.32 | PeterFA | It won't be long before the festering zit that open source is will burst forth and rupture into the market to swell and dominate spreading itself to other nodes. |
| 01:09.44 | benJIman | wolsni: with kitchensync? |
| 01:09.47 | wolsni | it can take a list of what you currently have in your pantry and give you a list of what you need to get at the store for a given recipe |
| 01:09.57 | wolsni | benJIman: but of course :D |
| 01:09.58 | PeterFA | Ok, the last part of that analogy sort of drew away from what I was getting at. |
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| 01:23.12 | PeterFA | What's going to be different from KDE 3.x to KDE 4.x besides eye-candy? |
| 01:23.20 | Shizuo | Well |
| 01:23.23 | Shizuo | It's still not GNOME |
| 01:23.27 | Shizuo | So I guess it's fine |
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| 01:23.34 | PeterFA | Shizuo, I can accept that. |
| 01:23.40 | Shizuo | Sure |
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| 01:25.41 | wolsni | PeterFA: improved APIs for multimedia and hardware interaction |
| 01:26.01 | PeterFA | wolsni, cool. |
| 01:26.24 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2 wants to build something like DirectX, which I think Linux needs. |
| 01:26.46 | PeterFA | We need like two, one for Linux based games and another for porting Windows games to Linux. |
| 01:27.05 | Shizuo | What? |
| 01:27.13 | Shizuo | Rebuilding DirectX is insane |
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| 01:27.21 | Shizuo | Ever heard of SDL? |
| 01:27.29 | PeterFA | Shizuo, I don't don't know much about this sort of thing. |
| 01:27.34 | PeterFA | Shizuo, no. |
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| 01:27.37 | wolsni | PeterFA: i don't think so, DirectX is an API and what CPrgmSwR2 is working on is more of a drag n drop game builder |
| 01:27.38 | PeterFA | Shizuo, wazzat? |
| 01:27.43 | Shizuo | SDL is like DirectX for Linux |
| 01:27.46 | PeterFA | wolsni, oh. |
| 01:27.52 | Shizuo | But it's not as good as Direct |
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| 01:28.08 | PeterFA | Shizuo, well, the hacker community will come around, as usual. |
| 01:28.13 | Shizuo | Will it? |
| 01:28.15 | Shizuo | Doubt it |
| 01:28.31 | PeterFA | Shizuo, what do you think the community will do as far as games go? |
| 01:28.41 | Shizuo | It takes a little more than free time to do this kind of thing |
| 01:29.04 | PeterFA | Shizuo, the community is getting to the point where they're threatening Microsoft with respect to video cards despite not having any support from the companies. |
| 01:29.20 | Shizuo | PeterFA: Humm, no |
| 01:29.51 | PeterFA | Shizuo, despite all the drawbacks, the hackers have produced sexier desktops... beryl, for example. |
| 01:29.59 | CPrgmSwR2 | do you think its a big deal if the game doesn't animate while developing the levels |
| 01:30.09 | Shizuo | I don't agree, PeterFA |
| 01:30.12 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, not to me. |
| 01:30.18 | PeterFA | Shizuo, what do you think, then? |
| 01:30.22 | Shizuo | I think Beryl is alpha-quality |
| 01:30.24 | wolsni | CPrgmSwR2: i'd label that a non-urgent feature :) |
| 01:30.29 | Shizuo | Same thing about compiz |
| 01:30.47 | CPrgmSwR2 | wolsni: Well its very fast and can handle extremely large levels |
| 01:30.52 | PeterFA | Shizuo, how do you think they compare to Vista's Aero? |
| 01:30.52 | Shizuo | They're just lame demos of the cube effect |
| 01:30.57 | wolsni | Shizuo: neither is at version 1.0 either, so the developers would probably agree |
| 01:30.58 | Shizuo | I think they suck |
| 01:31.23 | PeterFA | Shizuo, so you don't think there are any good eye-candy based desktops for Linux? |
| 01:31.29 | Shizuo | Well |
| 01:31.39 | Shizuo | I think thay there are SOME eye candy desktops |
| 01:31.40 | PeterFA | Shizuo, I'm speaking trickly in regards to eye-candy... |
| 01:31.48 | Shizuo | Just that they're good |
| 01:31.49 | Shizuo | Brb |
| 01:32.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | kollagame is going to use SDL for gameplay |
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| 01:34.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | wolsni: After I clean up my code and organize it, do you know where I can submit kLevelEditor so others can review the object and mabye add it to the kde framework |
| 01:34.54 | Shizuo | PeterFA: I just think that most of the time Linux-related folks completely miss the point |
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| 01:35.19 | Shizuo | The lack of ability to build a polished product is one of the top defficiencies of the community |
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| 01:36.19 | Shizuo | People love to bitch about Vista |
| 01:36.25 | Shizuo | But it's a very good and polished GUI |
| 01:36.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | Shizuo: thats not entirely true |
| 01:36.44 | PeterFA | Shizuo, so it's a marketing issue? The market does not demand what the philosophies of GNU and OpenSource demand to produce? |
| 01:36.52 | Dr_willis | I dont find the gui very good or polished... |
| 01:36.53 | Shizuo | It "lacks" all of that annoying set of problems that most Linux apps always have |
| 01:37.07 | PeterFA | Shizuo, people have an issue with Vista because it's incompatible. |
| 01:37.19 | Dr_willis | it also seems to lack the basics that i need to do the work i need to do. :) But im hard-kore. |
| 01:37.19 | PeterFA | Shizuo, what problems? |
| 01:37.21 | CPrgmSwR2 | Actually Qt4 + kde4 have a very good set of objects that make rapid development very easy, the REAL problem is the LACK of DOCUMENTATION |
| 01:37.26 | Shizuo | I thought we were talking "strictly" about eye cnady |
| 01:37.28 | Shizuo | :D |
| 01:37.41 | PeterFA | Shizuo, aye. |
| 01:37.42 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: Omg, you're hardcore |
| 01:37.44 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: BS |
| 01:38.08 | PeterFA | factor, it's found in /dev/urandom |
| 01:38.57 | Dr_willis | Im So hardkore - I perfer 'mc' as my filemanager! Egads! :0 |
| 01:39.12 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: Tell me somthing you couldn't "do" using Vista |
| 01:39.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | The only problem facing linux in my mind is games |
| 01:39.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | Shizuo: rip songs without DRM |
| 01:39.43 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, there are some cool games for Linux. |
| 01:39.45 | Shizuo | Lol |
| 01:39.49 | Shizuo | Do I smell a n0b? |
| 01:39.50 | Dr_willis | Shizuo, i never said there were things i couldent figure out how to do. i can do the tasks i need to do easier with the tools I got in Linux and other file managers. |
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| 01:39.57 | Shizuo | You can't rip music without DRM using Windows? |
| 01:40.06 | Shizuo | What are you, 8 years old? |
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| 01:40.14 | Dr_willis | we are talking about a GUI here I thought. not the whole OS also. |
| 01:40.23 | PeterFA | I like how I don't have to pay for a really nice operating system. |
| 01:40.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | I was pointing out something you couldn't do using windows Vista |
| 01:40.43 | Shizuo | CPrgmSwR2: I can't rip songs without DRM? |
| 01:40.47 | PeterFA | Of course, the real downfall to using Linux is all the people who talk ignorant crap about Linux. |
| 01:40.51 | Shizuo | CPrgmSwR2: What are you, a FUD master? |
| 01:40.57 | Dr_willis | Heck - i couldent get windows vista to even play a non-protected dvd (my own made home movie) the other day. |
| 01:41.04 | PeterFA | "Don't get my wrong, I think Linux is a great operating system, it's just that blah blah..." |
| 01:41.12 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 01:41.13 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: DVD at WMP 10 is fscked up |
| 01:41.19 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: The codecs are broken |
| 01:41.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | I heard Vista was full of DRM |
| 01:41.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | was that all just FUD |
| 01:41.36 | Dr_willis | Shizuo, i shouldent of even needed the decess codecs. it was a non-protected dvd. |
| 01:41.44 | Shizuo | CPrgmSwR2: You heard instead of seeing it yourself |
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| 01:41.57 | PeterFA | CPrgmSwR2, it is... it's called "Trusted Computing" and it makes sure the MPAA doesn't see you doing anything illegal or it reports it to them. |
| 01:42.05 | Dr_willis | Of course - i tried to install the PowerDVD that came with my Camcorder.. but aparently it dont like vista. |
| 01:42.19 | Shizuo | Vista doesn't need DVD codecs |
| 01:42.23 | Shizuo | The thing is |
| 01:42.28 | Shizuo | If your drive is regionless |
| 01:42.39 | Shizuo | It will refuse to play from it |
| 01:42.44 | Shizuo | That's a WMP 10 issue |
| 01:42.58 | PeterFA | Shizuo, does Linux consider region issues? |
| 01:43.11 | PeterFA | Why do companies even program region crap into their hardware? |
| 01:43.12 | Shizuo | PeterFA: I'm just giving him some advice about what happened |
| 01:43.17 | PeterFA | Is there some agreement they have to sign? |
| 01:43.18 | CPrgmSwR2 | interesting so why the Fu#$ is windows vista us so much computing power |
| 01:43.22 | Shizuo | PeterFA: I'm not a Microsoft lawyer |
| 01:43.52 | Shizuo | Well, Vista is kinda heavy |
| 01:43.59 | Shizuo | But not as much as X + KDE / GNOME |
| 01:44.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | PeterFA: It could be that its part of using the Intellectual property |
| 01:44.06 | Shizuo | That's very sad to say, but it's true |
| 01:44.16 | Simeon_H | woah I need to restart my USB services |
| 01:44.27 | CPrgmSwR2 | Shizou I am not sure I would go that far |
| 01:44.30 | Simeon_H | it's not really a KDE thing but using my touchpad is getting annoying :/ |
| 01:44.47 | Shizuo | Touchpads suck |
| 01:44.56 | CPrgmSwR2 | Windows Vista takes 2 minutes to start up |
| 01:45.07 | Simeon_H | so how do I restart my USB services so I can use my mouse? |
| 01:45.08 | Simeon_H | D: |
| 01:45.25 | Shizuo | CPrgmSwR2: Doesn't bother me much as it awakes from hibernation in 4 seconds |
| 01:45.31 | Shizuo | :D |
| 01:45.36 | Dr_willis | CPrgmSwR2, hmm you must have a much faster them my vista box. id say more on the 5+ min mark here. |
| 01:45.51 | Shizuo | My notebook boots Vista on 45 seconds |
| 01:46.00 | Shizuo | It's slow as hell comparing to 20 seconds on XP |
| 01:46.06 | Shizuo | But well, I always hibernate, anyway |
| 01:46.13 | Dr_willis | But even a 6 min boot time is minimal when you compare it to your 5+week Uptimes. |
| 01:46.30 | Shizuo | Hibernation rocks |
| 01:46.30 | Dr_willis | I had a beOS box years ago that would boot in like 20 sec. :) no gimmics. |
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| 01:46.38 | Dr_willis | When hibernation works :) |
| 01:46.44 | Shizuo | Always worked here |
| 01:46.46 | PeterFA | Dr_willis, well, BeOS died because of politics. |
| 01:46.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | Mabye windows is lightyears ahead of linux |
| 01:46.55 | Dr_willis | PeterFA, Sad and True. :( |
| 01:47.05 | Shizuo | Hibernation never worked on Linux for me, though |
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| 01:47.12 | Dr_willis | BeOs was lightyears ahead of a lot of the OS's |
| 01:47.22 | Dr_willis | Ive had bad luck with Hibernation under both os's |
| 01:47.22 | Shizuo | No, Dr_willis |
| 01:47.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | BeOs? |
| 01:47.29 | Shizuo | BeOS was never ahead of anything |
| 01:47.35 | PeterFA | A lightyear is a distance not a time. |
| 01:47.42 | Shizuo | It was just pretty and had a fast response |
| 01:47.56 | Dr_willis | Shizuo, sounds like Vista.. |
| 01:47.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | enlighenment is pretty |
| 01:47.59 | Shizuo | But it was always a very immature OS |
| 01:48.07 | Shizuo | Lacking good APIs |
| 01:48.12 | Shizuo | Good dev tools |
| 01:48.15 | Shizuo | Good documentation |
| 01:48.18 | Dr_willis | Too bad Palm Never Gpl'd it. |
| 01:48.23 | Shizuo | Good everythingt that defines an OS |
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| 01:48.41 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: Not like Vista |
| 01:48.49 | Shizuo | Dr_willis: Vista is very well documented and structured |
| 01:49.04 | Shizuo | Most modern MS OSes are very good at that |
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| 01:49.33 | eX|Joe | hey guys, i have a question about ktorrents rss test feature. i can not get it to filter crap. |
| 01:49.47 | eX|Joe | can you guys give me an example of how it works? |
| 01:49.55 | Shizuo | I can't |
| 01:50.00 | Dr_willis | sorry eX|Joe ive not used that feature. |
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| 01:55.26 | Shizuo | Hi |
| 01:57.37 | Shizuo | PeterFA: WAKE UP! |
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| 02:00.40 | PeterFA | Shizuo, sorry, I was loading up krecipes |
| 02:01.10 | Shizuo | =] |
| 02:01.18 | Shizuo | What are you now, a cooking grandma?> |
| 02:01.20 | Shizuo | :D |
| 02:01.33 | PeterFA | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.43 | PeterFA | Hmm... that didn't work out to well. |
| 02:01.47 | Shizuo | ? |
| 02:01.47 | PeterFA | /exec -o sudo genlop -c | grep merge |
| 02:02.14 | PeterFA | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.17 | PeterFA | There we go. |
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| 02:03.59 | PeterFA | Updates. |
| 02:04.01 | PeterFA | Gentoo. |
| 02:04.14 | Shizuo | Gentoo sucks |
| 02:04.24 | PeterFA | s/sucks/rulez. |
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| 02:13.27 | Shizuo | =] |
| 02:13.46 | Chani | but, I used gentoo *before* there was a graphical installer |
| 02:13.47 | troy | Chani: yeah, but you were already a power user, no? |
| 02:13.58 | Chani | gentoo is not a distro that should ever, ever have an install wizard |
| 02:14.21 | smileaf | its got a graphical installer now? |
| 02:14.29 | troy | Chani: I agree :) |
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| 02:14.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | Hi |
| 02:14.47 | Chani | not really a power user, but I had enough curiosity to become one. |
| 02:14.47 | Shizuo | gentoo is for n00bs |
| 02:14.50 | smileaf | lol.. been using it for ~5yrs and I've never seen that before. |
| 02:15.14 | smileaf | Shizuo: guess I'm a noob |
| 02:15.20 | Shizuo | Who knows |
| 02:15.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | guess I am a noob too |
| 02:15.27 | Chani | I realy miss gentoo right now |
| 02:15.35 | troy | Shizuo: well, it's not for "n00bs", but the "n00bs" use it... then they come in here with problems thinking that the problem cannot possibly be gentoo related... |
| 02:15.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its going to be amazing if a noob developes a kde game |
| 02:15.46 | Chani | emerge... etc-update.. never needing to install -dev packages.. |
| 02:15.55 | Chani | rc-update too, what a nice tool |
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| 02:16.03 | Shizuo | troy: I never met a not-n00b gentoo user |
| 02:16.16 | smileaf | Chani: rc-update? |
| 02:16.16 | Shizuo | troy: The sole reason that drags people to gentoo is already a n00b thing |
| 02:16.27 | Chani | gentoo has n00bs these days? it must have changed a lot :/ |
| 02:16.28 | smileaf | Shizuo: we like to customize our packages? |
| 02:16.34 | troy | Shizuo: right - because gentoo makes n00bs think they are smart because they are watching compiler scroll... where the real power users are all on freebsd or slackware or similar... |
| 02:16.38 | Shizuo | Really, you do, smileaf? |
| 02:16.44 | smileaf | Shizuo: yes, I do. |
| 02:16.47 | Chani | smileaf: yeah, so that I don't have to mess with /etc/init.d/rcwhatever.d |
| 02:16.49 | Shizuo | Tell me how you do it |
| 02:16.51 | Shizuo | And why |
| 02:16.57 | smileaf | Shizuo: thats the primary reason I use it. |
| 02:17.13 | Shizuo | But hey |
| 02:17.17 | smileaf | Shizuo: ever heard of a USE flag? its probably the most used thing in gentoo. |
| 02:17.17 | Shizuo | Don't mention "speed" |
| 02:17.21 | Shizuo | Or "optimization" |
| 02:17.22 | Shizuo | OMG |
| 02:17.23 | Shizuo | NO |
| 02:17.26 | Shizuo | NOT THE USE FLAG! |
| 02:17.27 | Shizuo | OMG!! |
| 02:17.29 | smileaf | Shizuo: I'll never mention that.. thats a pointless reason. |
| 02:17.30 | Shizuo | n00b alert! |
| 02:17.32 | Shizuo | n00b alert!!! |
| 02:17.36 | smileaf | ... |
| 02:17.41 | Chani | mmm, use flags |
| 02:17.41 | troy | Shizuo: a level of civility, please... |
| 02:17.44 | Shizuo | Riceboy alert! |
| 02:18.04 | smileaf | riceboy?... guess you are what you eat then. *looks down at his dinner plate* |
| 02:18.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | The only reason I use gentoo is because the recieved updates to a package very quickly |
| 02:18.34 | canllaith | why are people talking about gentoo? :) |
| 02:18.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | I don't know |
| 02:18.46 | smileaf | canllaith: good question. |
| 02:18.48 | Shizuo | riceboy = Car tuning hoebo |
| 02:18.53 | Chani | CPrgmSwR2: weird, I had someone saying on my bklog that gentoo takes ages to get new stuff these days |
| 02:19.01 | canllaith | Shizuo: I'd suggest getting back on topic please :) |
| 02:19.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | Oh it does? |
| 02:19.10 | smileaf | Shizuo: your meaning doesn't compute. |
| 02:19.11 | canllaith | In my country that's a racial slur and I can't imagine it's different most other places. |
| 02:19.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: How long does it take for ubuntu to get a new package update? |
| 02:19.27 | Shizuo | canllaith: Lots of stuff are racial slurs |
| 02:19.32 | Shizuo | canllaith: Like "indian giver" |
| 02:19.43 | Shizuo | canllaith: It's a very common expression, yet, it's racially-motivated |
| 02:20.00 | canllaith | Yep, and none of them are acceptable in this channel Shizuo |
| 02:20.07 | Chani | CPrgmSwR2: haven't a clue. but I'm on konq 3.5.6 right now - supposedly there's an update available on hte website, but, I don't see why it's not in apt |
| 02:20.13 | smileaf | I've heard of the term but not necessarily seen a need for it nor the definition of it >.> |
| 02:20.19 | Shizuo | riceboy is derived from the fact that most car tuners are asian boys with little or no formal education |
| 02:20.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am using kde 3.5.7 through portage Chani |
| 02:20.26 | troy | Chani: you need to add a source to apt, then it'll update normally... |
| 02:20.53 | canllaith | Shizuo: Please change the subject, or you may find you're removed from the channel. |
| 02:20.58 | Shizuo | canllaith: ORLY? Is this KDE or PoliticallyCorrect? |
| 02:21.08 | *** mode/#kde [+o canllaith] by ChanServ |
| 02:21.20 | Chani | Shizuo: it's called being polite. :P |
| 02:21.22 | Shizuo | So...? |
| 02:21.25 | canllaith | This is KDE, where any kind of racial slur is unacceptable. |
| 02:21.30 | smileaf | best way to get someone to agree with you... give yourself +o =) |
| 02:21.31 | Shizuo | Lol |
| 02:21.34 | Shizuo | Riceboy it's a word |
| 02:21.37 | Shizuo | smileaf: Not for me |
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| 02:21.51 | troy | Chani: the reason for that is that they try to distinguish between the app versions that are shipped with the official release, vs. updated packages. |
| 02:21.58 | Chani | ah. |
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| 02:22.17 | troy | Chani: it's pretty painless: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php |
| 02:22.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | gentoo is the only distro I know of that you can update without it becomming broken from one kernel to the next... now I will admit packages to get released that cause gentoo to get broken |
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| 02:23.10 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: concerning kernels thats only if you reinstall any and all kernel drivers |
| 02:23.27 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: I have run this particular kubuntu installation for 30 months already... |
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| 02:23.52 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: updating every 6 months without a broken kernel... |
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| 02:24.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | troy: have you gone up in kernel versions? |
| 02:24.30 | smileaf | lol... still find that kinda funny. I got called a riceboy. |
| 02:24.31 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: yeah - several times... I still have the old ones in grub even, if I needed to drop down to an older version for some odd reason... |
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| 02:25.25 | smileaf | new and previously installed. |
| 02:25.39 | A_b | as a First Nations person in Canada, am I an 'Indian giver' ?? :/ |
| 02:25.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | I purge my old kernels |
| 02:25.55 | smileaf | I'm too lazy. |
| 02:26.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | with portage its easy |
| 02:26.16 | smileaf | ... portage doesn't clean /boot |
| 02:26.20 | troy | A_b: only if you recall the gift after giving it I guess :P you're from BC, right? wasn't there old potlatching traditions there? |
| 02:26.27 | A_b | yeah |
| 02:26.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | smileaf: never heard of rm? |
| 02:26.50 | A_b | well kde gives me a good desktop |
| 02:26.56 | A_b | kde giver |
| 02:27.00 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: nope never? what is this? you mean del? =p |
| 02:27.06 | troy | A_b: hahaha :) |
| 02:27.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | Wow do we have a noob on our hands |
| 02:27.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | :P |
| 02:27.42 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: hehe |
| 02:27.46 | A_b | and i didn't have to give bill a couple of hundred bucks |
| 02:27.57 | Chani | my kernel's gone from 2.6.11ish to 2.6.20 on kubuntu, no problems |
| 02:28.12 | CPrgmSwR2 | next reformat I am going to kubuntu |
| 02:28.13 | A_b | and another couple of hundred to write a letter |
| 02:28.19 | Chani | can't say the same for my friend on ubuntu though. his hibernation stopped working last night |
| 02:28.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | I can't hibernate period on gentoo |
| 02:28.54 | CPrgmSwR2 | I just wonder why ubuntu is more popular than kubuntu |
| 02:28.57 | Chani | whoa, there's more than one kde user in BC? ;) |
| 02:29.08 | canllaith | Better marketing I suspect |
| 02:29.19 | canllaith | although I know a lot of kubuntu users |
| 02:29.20 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: ubuntu came first |
| 02:29.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | because I find the ice look of kubuntu awsome |
| 02:30.02 | Chani | CPrgmSwR2: marketing I bet. last year at a vanlug bbq there were ubuntu and kubuntu cds, but the stickers were only for ubuntu |
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| 02:30.37 | smileaf | hmm.. my oldest kernel is 2.6.20.3 |
| 02:30.44 | smileaf | then this is a very new computer. |
| 02:30.48 | troy | canllaith: hey, since you're here, I have a question for you... did you ever have any conflict of interest things you had to deal with while writing and being a KDE member at the same time? (accusations of bias, or similar?) |
| 02:30.59 | smileaf | or did I clean it out... |
| 02:31.09 | Chani | CPrgmSwR2: coincidentally, I'm thinking about moving away from kubuntu. it was really nice for a while, great to see the new userfriendly improvements that I didn't know existed, but I want a distrowhere I feel more in control |
| 02:31.14 | A_b | canllaith, looking forward to trying kubuntu on the next desktop i get to convert to linux :) |
| 02:31.19 | canllaith | troy: No, not really - although I mostly write for people who had a KDE bias ;) |
| 02:31.24 | canllaith | s/write/wrote/ |
| 02:31.40 | Chani | also, the kubuntu changes to stuff are just weird sometimes |
| 02:31.49 | canllaith | I've written plenty about Gnome applications, and non-gui applications though that all I need to do is point to my previous writing if anyone accuses me of bias. |
| 02:32.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | Chani: I personally think that gentoo still leaves you in control just must users are not knowledged enough to know how to take control of gentoo |
| 02:32.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | canllaith: Do you think kde is more organized than Gnome? |
| 02:32.40 | troy | canllaith: I haven't even installed gnome since redhat 5.0 was the distro of choice... I wonder if I can claim ignorance :) |
| 02:32.45 | canllaith | I'm not sure what you mean CPrgmSwR2 |
| 02:32.53 | Chani | yeah.. people who have no idea what they're doing shouldn't have been able to install gentoo in the first place, imho |
| 02:32.59 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: your definitely in alot more control of what versions and what support is built into your packages. (which is the reason I use it.) |
| 02:33.06 | canllaith | troy: ah well my whole job is done at a command line, usually I just tell people I think screen is about the best window manager I've ever seen and KDE is a close second ;) |
| 02:33.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | canllaith: I find their idea of writing Gnome in C kinda limiting themselfs |
| 02:33.19 | canllaith | oh right |
| 02:33.27 | canllaith | Yeah, how C is so much faster and more streamlined! but you end up writing about 5 times as much of it! |
| 02:33.31 | canllaith | sorta thing |
| 02:33.37 | Chani | someone on my blog recommended a distro that sounds like a mix between gentoo and kubuntu. sounds really interesting. I wanna test it now |
| 02:33.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah I think its rediculus |
| 02:33.43 | canllaith | I actually don't mind Gnome, I'll use it if KDE isn't installed and it's not easy to install it |
| 02:33.57 | troy | Chani: yeah - I'd be happy with a kubuntu if some of their modifications were reverted... I mean, the system works quite well, but I'd like to rebuild some packages to remove their patches |
| 02:34.00 | canllaith | I just prefer KDE - and I vastly prefer the KDE community |
| 02:34.01 | A_b | I tried the gentoo live cd and thought it was functional and appeared to drive well |
| 02:34.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | I think KDE will come out ehead as long as Gnome sticks to C |
| 02:34.11 | Chani | mm, community |
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| 02:34.19 | canllaith | troy: ubuntu makes a nie base to compile your own KDE on. |
| 02:34.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | I tried the new gentoo live cd and it didn't work worth a damn |
| 02:34.34 | troy | canllaith: yeah - I've noticed that when doing my kde4 stuff |
| 02:34.46 | canllaith | During 3x development I tended to throw the latest 3x branch ito /opt/kde-3 |
| 02:34.50 | A_b | I like being new to all this because if it works it works - if it don't try another |
| 02:34.54 | canllaith | Yeah, it's nice having apt-get build-dep kde-stuff-blah |
| 02:34.55 | A_b | then try again |
| 02:35.01 | A_b | :) |
| 02:35.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am on gentoo now |
| 02:35.17 | canllaith | The other advantage to kubuntu |
| 02:35.21 | canllaith | It's not redhat enterprise! |
| 02:35.28 | canllaith | (my other alternative at work. Blerg.) |
| 02:35.40 | Chani | it's funny. I was doing some python stuff a few days ago, then last night I went to look at the code of this little tiny gtk app because I was thinking of redoing it in pyqt... oh my, the scaryness. I'd never before quite realised how complicated it is to do simple things in c |
| 02:36.25 | troy | Chani: it's complicated, but if you're really good at it, it's also harder to make mistakes, since it's so restricted in what you can do with it... |
| 02:36.45 | Chani | I used c back when I was working... it seemed normal then, but suddently now it's just.. like.. why? why?? |
| 02:37.17 | canllaith | agreed |
| 02:37.26 | canllaith | string handling made me want to throw myself off a cliff |
| 02:37.41 | canllaith | and now I don't touch C except for low level stuff where it's better than using assembly |
| 02:37.46 | troy | C++ is also a much steeper learning curve, so it's easier to start programming in C... |
| 02:37.57 | Chani | I think c/c++ is good for low-level stuff where you need the control. but when you're just makinga quick gui, or you're not realy sure what you're trying to do, higher level languages really are easier |
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| 02:38.22 | Chani | troy: c++ was my first real language. before that I just wrote in the scripting language for the game I was addicted to |
| 02:38.34 | smileaf | hmm.. I can't say I've ever done anything in C |
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| 02:38.44 | codin | hi |
| 02:38.59 | troy | Chani: a mog? |
| 02:39.08 | codin | is it possible to increase the size of the minimize/maximize/close buttons ? |
| 02:39.21 | canllaith | codin: yes, but you may need to use a different window decoration |
| 02:39.27 | troy | codin: some window decoration styles permit that, yes... |
| 02:39.44 | Chani | if I'm doing c/c++ it usually ends up as a weird mix of the two languages.. I prefer printf to cout, but new is far nicer than malloc. and not having classes is usually quite evil |
| 02:40.04 | codin | I'm currently using baghira, yet the buttons seems to be small |
| 02:40.15 | canllaith | baghira is very customisable, you may be able to change it |
| 02:40.17 | Chani | troy: huh? it was a game called Creatures. well, half game, half science experiment. a bit like petz but more advanced |
| 02:40.21 | canllaith | but I'm afraid I don't have a copy of it installed here so I can't see |
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| 02:40.30 | canllaith | how have you been anyway, troy ? |
| 02:41.38 | troy | canllaith: very very busy - I have summer research at the uni this year, so at least I get to stay home for the summer more-or-less... but I never seem to get enough time to do everything I want to do... |
| 02:41.43 | troy | canllaith: you? |
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| 02:42.59 | Chani | oh yeah, I had food here |
| 02:43.04 | Chani | cold food now |
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| 02:46.35 | troy | canllaith: we've shelved our magazine plans for now, at least until 4.0 is released... we didn't want it turning into a feature gossip mag, and would rather it contain tutorials and howtos and such, which is hard to do for 3.x right now (too boring) -- for the time being, we're doing nothing with the idea... |
| 02:47.00 | canllaith | agreed :) I think I said that at the time. |
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| 02:47.25 | troy | canllaith: plus, it may prove that these how-tos and so forth are more suitable for a wiki page... perhaps we'll just end up annoucning new howtos on the dot or somesuch... I have no idea how it'll pan out... |
| 02:47.50 | canllaith | Good, work is great, my manager has hired someone new who I love to work with, my bathroom is clean, and I love my laptop. |
| 02:47.59 | canllaith | (re: how am I) |
| 02:48.24 | naya | hi guys! after updating amarok my "sabayon kicker menu" returned to the original one of kde.... how do I restore that? |
| 02:48.25 | troy | canllaith: your bathroom is clean? are you in a workplace where you are the only one using the women's washroom or something? |
| 02:48.35 | canllaith | heh just about, but no, I mean at home :) |
| 02:48.41 | troy | naya: better ask the sabayon folks |
| 02:48.42 | canllaith | I was domestic this morning and Cleaned Things. |
| 02:48.57 | naya | still no answer.. |
| 02:50.01 | troy | naya: other than right-clicking on kicker and seeing if there's something listed under add applet - I have no clue... if your problem was that you wanted the KDE default menu, we might be able to help you out, but not the other way around... |
| 02:50.06 | fage | h |
| 02:50.20 | naya | thx |
| 02:50.30 | fage | where do i color the window-menu colors? File, Edit etc |
| 02:50.54 | fage | and the kicker main menu itself |
| 02:51.13 | troy | fage: if you can do that, it'll be under 'Colours' in kcontrol... |
| 02:51.35 | Jucato | The menu colors are the same as the window background color in KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Colors |
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| 02:51.41 | troy | canllaith: new laptop? works well with *nix? |
| 02:52.04 | Jucato | <bot-like voice> Yum! |
| 02:52.07 | moonfart | is there a way in kde to make the taskbar do multiple levels? (like in windows when you drag the top of the taskbar up it shows two rows)? |
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| 02:52.55 | Jucato | moonfart: yes. right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> set the size to Large or to a Custom size of 48 to do 2 rows |
| 02:53.04 | troy | moonfart: yeah - you might have to right click on the panel and configure it's height - sometimes dragging to resize is disabled to prevent accidental resizing... |
| 02:53.12 | moonfart | thanx everyone |
| 02:53.34 | troy | smileaf: yeah! are you going to forward that packet?! |
| 02:53.48 | smileaf | troy: it was only copied. |
| 02:53.52 | moonfart | oh wow |
| 02:53.56 | moonfart | thats freakin awesome |
| 02:53.59 | moonfart | thanx everyone |
| 02:54.27 | fage | but he added chilibits to the original |
| 02:54.57 | troy | smileaf: you can do that? I thought my DRM was uncrackable :P |
| 02:55.11 | michael | hmm...4am |
| 02:55.16 | michael | eh |
| 02:55.37 | smileaf | troy: uncrackable? this word has no place in human languages. |
| 02:56.12 | Dr_willis | Those one Nuts.. dark black.. about the size of your thumb.. are uncrackable.. when ya break them - they always just explode on me. Not Crack. |
| 02:56.16 | troy | canllaith: anyway, not sure of the mag will fly at all - recently arising conflict of interest - which is why I asked that question before... |
| 02:56.20 | Dr_willis | Brazil Nuts? |
| 02:56.22 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 02:56.30 | smileaf | brazil nuts are crackable. |
| 02:56.44 | |Thorn_ | brazil nuts |
| 02:56.45 | |Thorn_ | <3 |
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| 02:56.48 | Dr_willis | smileaf, must be a military Seceret. :) |
| 02:56.55 | Dr_willis | Ill stick with Almonds. |
| 02:57.06 | Dr_willis | and HazleNuts. |
| 02:57.15 | fage | in Appearance & Themes - Color theres no element colored red. my menu is still red... |
| 02:57.16 | smileaf | Dr_willis: use a hammer. |
| 02:57.20 | smileaf | ;) |
| 02:57.24 | Dr_willis | whats Nutella made out of anyway. Its darn tasty |
| 02:57.25 | fage | maybe its sabayon |
| 02:57.39 | troy | fage: could be some unusual widget style... |
| 02:57.39 | Dr_willis | smileaf, we made these screw-type nut crackers at work. |
| 02:58.22 | troy | Dr_willis: hazelnut... |
| 02:58.47 | Dr_willis | troy, found out it makes good Iceing for Cupcakes. :P |
| 02:59.14 | troy | Dr_willis: not sweet enough for my icing tastes - but I like nutella between pieces of french toast :) |
| 02:59.26 | A_b | visegrips are great for opening Brazil nuts :) |
| 03:02.14 | troy | canllaith: Wade has recently been talking about putting together some press kits to send to traditional media outlets about the 4.0 release... you've dealt with these people before, from the inside, and would know what components a kit like this would need not to get thrown directly into the trash... you have any ideas? |
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| 03:03.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | Why is writing apps for kde4 so damn difficult to set up |
| 03:03.53 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: kde4 isn't even beta yet - any other questions? |
| 03:04.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah how do I get help from going insane in trying to convert to kde4 |
| 03:05.20 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: you can develop from within kde3... even using the 3.x version of kdevelop... |
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| 03:05.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | thats whta I am tring to do |
| 03:06.41 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: what I do is I installed all of my kde4 stuff into another user, and load that session using another X session... then, using konsole, I use ssh -X to load up my kde 3.x apps from my existing user... |
| 03:06.57 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: so then, I'm running within kde4, but I'm using konversation, etc. from kde 3.x as needed... |
| 03:07.49 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
| 03:07.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | kde4 is unusable for me |
| 03:08.12 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: which means something didn't build right for you |
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| 03:08.30 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: missing some headers or similar, and features are being disabled... |
| 03:08.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | How do I figure out what I am missing |
| 03:08.56 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: are you using qt-copy, or gentoo's qt? |
| 03:09.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | gentoo's qt |
| 03:09.23 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: what version number is their qt? |
| 03:09.25 | CPrgmSwR2 | it said any qt with version 4.3.0 was fine in the doc |
| 03:09.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | qt-4.3.0 |
| 03:09.57 | troy | yeah - should be fine then... what version of cmake do you have? |
| 03:10.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | (known exceptions: Kubuntu, openSUSE, Gentoo) |
| 03:10.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | thats what is says for qt being fine |
| 03:10.26 | rgk | gentoo ftw! |
| 03:10.27 | rgk | =) |
| 03:10.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | what does ftw stand for? |
| 03:11.00 | rgk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTW |
| 03:11.13 | rgk | For the win |
| 03:11.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | thnx |
| 03:11.23 | rgk | sorry for being off topic |
| 03:11.51 | CPrgmSwR2 | kde4 right now is as buggy as windows ME |
| 03:12.04 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: what part of 'not even beta yet' don't you understand? |
| 03:12.15 | CPrgmSwR2 | I get that |
| 03:12.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | I hear various users using kde4 though |
| 03:12.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | so that tells me it must be usable for some people |
| 03:12.59 | moonfart | usable != tested ;) |
| 03:13.05 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: "using" is a loosely applicable term here... kwin doesn't totally crash on me, so I'm 'using' kde 4... |
| 03:13.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
| 03:13.34 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: konq doesn't do https, plugins, etc. so I end up loading konq from kde 3.x... |
| 03:13.35 | CPrgmSwR2 | I would like to setup kdevelop to configure kde4 apps |
| 03:13.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | but for some reason it didn't work |
| 03:14.31 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
| 03:15.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | I made this qleveledit object |
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| 03:15.33 | troy | in the meantime, you should get yourself a distro that is within your skill level... |
| 03:16.01 | CPrgmSwR2 | I don't think getting a different distro is going to help |
| 03:17.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | I may do it because I will make my life easier on other issues though |
| 03:17.30 | smileaf | LFS <-- best distro ... for learning. |
| 03:18.14 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: the reason I suggest it is that your build dependencies will be a lot simpler problems to handle if you are in a distro that is a little more uniform... with gentoo's "USE" flags, pretty much everyone has a unique installation, and it's very difficult to get help... |
| 03:18.22 | A_b | distros make a diff as i found suse able to drive my t22 thinkpad p2 900mhz 256 ram when other attempts failed and for a newbie - distro mattered :) |
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| 03:19.15 | CPrgmSwR2 | I agree with you their troy |
| 03:20.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | should I go with pclinuxOS or kubuntu? |
| 03:20.34 | Dr_willis | CPrgmSwR2, i dont have many good things to say about pclinuxOS |
| 03:20.46 | Dr_willis | not many bad things really.. since i couldent get to WORK... |
| 03:20.47 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 03:21.03 | A_b | It got me to a place where i can begin to explore a whole new world :) and as soon as i get another computer it will be many distros |
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| 03:21.23 | Dr_willis | Kubuntu - is very well done and polished. been the best disrto ive tried on my laptop. |
| 03:21.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | many = my? |
| 03:21.39 | Dr_willis | So my vote is go with Kubuntu. |
| 03:21.59 | CPrgmSwR2 | what is more cutting edge |
| 03:22.03 | CPrgmSwR2 | what = which |
| 03:22.27 | troy | also, more people in here know kubuntu, so it's easier to get help for the more common problems... |
| 03:22.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay |
| 03:22.39 | smileaf | if I had to pick a different distro.. ArchLinux would have mine. |
| 03:22.51 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: a developer doesn't always want 'cutting edge' - usually you want a stable system to develop on so that if something goes wrong, you can tell if it's the system or your own program... |
| 03:23.10 | troy | smileaf: I've been meaning to try out Arch... it's been around for quite a few years already... |
| 03:23.31 | smileaf | troy: the package manager is quite nice. |
| 03:23.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | troy: that is my ultimate delima I am developing an app when its pretty much dumb not to go cutting edge because kde4 is going to be such a huge advancement |
| 03:23.50 | smileaf | troy: personally I prefer the init style gentoo has, but theirs works also. |
| 03:24.00 | troy | smileaf: iirc, arch was started as a project by redhat's old KDE packager... |
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| 03:24.22 | smileaf | troy: dunno 'bout that. |
| 03:24.50 | troy | smileaf: I seem to remember him being upset about how redhat was treating KDE, and so he left to help start Arch or somesuch... |
| 03:24.55 | coolbreeze | troy: not Arch, it's somethin else |
| 03:24.55 | bluelightning | troy: I thought that was Ark... ? |
| 03:25.05 | coolbreeze | yeah, Ark |
| 03:25.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | troy: I want to know what people see that is soo BAD about kde |
| 03:25.19 | troy | oh, right- Ark and Arch are pretty easy names to get mixed up... wonder what happened to Ark? |
| 03:25.43 | coolbreeze | http://www.arklinux.org/ |
| 03:26.08 | smileaf | CPrgmSwR2: In this case I don't think the problem lies with kde, but how the packagers are messing with it. |
| 03:26.11 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: it's just a mindshare thing - in north america in particular, gnome has become buddies with a lot of organizations with money and influence *cough sun cough* |
| 03:26.30 | jarn | Does k3b burn different types of files faster than others? I could just be crazy, but it appears to be burning my FLAC files SIGNIFICANTLY faster than my MP3 files. |
| 03:26.40 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: so Redhat, being in bed with many of these companies, was pushing KDE aside for gnome... |
| 03:26.47 | Dr_willis | jarn, less work to convert them to the format needed to burn to cd.. perhaps |
| 03:26.50 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: they seem to have changed their tune recently... |
| 03:27.07 | smileaf | jarn: burn no, but it might be that its decoding them faster. |
| 03:28.12 | troy | smileaf: that's quite likely - a lossless codec is just a matter of mathematics to decode - a lossy one is a little more complex... I remember trying to play MP3's on older computers where it took up much of the CPU... |
| 03:28.34 | Dr_willis | i rember when encodieng a cd to mp3 took like an HR+ :) |
| 03:28.49 | Dr_willis | now ya can encode the whole cd befor the first song is done playing.. and its playing as its encoding. |
| 03:29.03 | jarn | smileaf: Well, I meant the process as a whole - not the actual burning. I know the burning itself doesn't really change speed. |
| 03:29.05 | smileaf | troy: I always remember with really old computers the uncompressed ones being slower than the compressed. most likely because of the shear size. |
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| 03:30.01 | smileaf | jarn: no, but it can be affected, while a burn cannot be paused it can be slowed down to accommodate the decoding process. |
| 03:30.06 | sabayonlive-7026 | valen monda |
| 03:30.59 | smileaf | troy: too many. |
| 03:31.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | troy brb going to wipe out my computer and install kubuntu |
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| 03:31.28 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: back up your important files first :P |
| 03:31.50 | Dr_willis | I always backup my.err.. vacation pictures! |
| 03:31.51 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 03:32.13 | Dr_willis | troy, last i tried it.. well.. lets say.. it was different in that it was a Pain to get going. :0 |
| 03:32.29 | Dr_willis | Ive not been Disrto Hopping much this last year.. compared to a few years back |
| 03:32.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | bye bye |
| 03:33.01 | troy | Dr_willis: a few months ago, I bought a spare sata drive just for distro experiments - it's still sitting in the static bag :P |
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| 03:33.48 | troy | Dr_willis: although, I have played with a few interesting livecds... in particular, I like the idea behind gobolinux, except that they are too far behind on their packages... |
| 03:34.00 | troy | they didn't even have hal! |
| 03:34.15 | Dr_willis | been testing livecd's in Vmware lately - handy for that. saves me burning cd's |
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| 03:34.34 | Dr_willis | that linuxmint - was a nice variant of Ubuntu also. But i dont know how long it will be around. |
| 03:34.49 | Dr_willis | SLAX gets bonux points for being so easy to customize their livecd's |
| 03:35.19 | Dr_willis | DSL and Puppylinux (i think both) can boot from a Boot-cd, then read their .iso file/boot it from a USB drive or other media :) which is nifty |
| 03:35.28 | troy | I also tried and failed to get a reasonable openbsd installation - was an experiment anyway... the real problem is that they're morally opposed to apache2... |
| 03:35.52 | Dr_willis | I havent tried BSD in ages.. dident see what i would gain from it really. Other then GeekPoints |
| 03:36.05 | Dr_willis | I toyed with QNx ages ago.. and beOs also :) |
| 03:36.23 | troy | freebsd is pretty good - I would say it's on par with any of the more power-user linux distros (slack, etc...) |
| 03:36.31 | troy | openbsd is like getting teeth pulled... |
| 03:37.19 | mardi | pcbsd is kinda easy to install and use |
| 03:37.38 | troy | mardi: never trired it -- you had good experiences? |
| 03:38.13 | mardi | troy: yes, but it still requires a bot of 'geekdom' to use effectively. |
| 03:38.25 | mardi | *requires a bit of 'geekdom' |
| 03:38.41 | troy | mardi: does it just inheret the freebsd packages and ports, or does it have it's own implementation? |
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| 03:39.47 | mardi | troy: it inherits both and adds a package system called "pbi" which is like MS exe. |
| 03:40.27 | mardi | the pbi includes all the libraries it needs to install. the pbis in the repository is limited though |
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| 03:41.58 | mardi | http://www.pbidir.com/ is what there is. |
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| 03:42.44 | troy | you know, becoming a packager is a great way for moderately experienced people to get involved in opensource - not sure why more people don't take it up... perhaps the learning curve is too steep... |
| 03:43.26 | coolbreeze | i did a couple of years ago |
| 03:43.27 | wolsni | seems like it's just barely a step beyond ./configure; make; make install (when all goes well :P) |
| 03:43.50 | coolbreeze | making rpms is a snap, really |
| 03:44.03 | troy | wolsni: unless you're splitting binaries, -dev, docs, languages, etc. at which point it becomes not so easy... |
| 03:44.15 | smileaf | write your own package manager, then just writing quick packages for an established distro will be more fun. ;) |
| 03:44.57 | smileaf | unless of course you enjoy writting the package manager XD |
| 03:45.50 | coolbreeze | troy: actually that part's not as difficult as you might think |
| 03:46.07 | troy | smileaf: sometimes I'd like to write my own distro - and do it without a package manager at all... just one big blob you get installed... then when the updated libs/etc happen, they just overwrite the existing ones... like DLL hell on windows :) |
| 03:46.25 | coolbreeze | what's difficult is if the upstream author has done something odd |
| 03:46.25 | smileaf | troy: thats actually not possible |
| 03:46.26 | wolsni | troy: you can do that with any distro now :) |
| 03:46.35 | smileaf | troy: with updated libs the names change. |
| 03:46.49 | smileaf | troy: so to avoid issues you need to remove those. |
| 03:46.55 | troy | smileaf: yeah, I guess :) |
| 03:47.34 | troy | wolsni: the idea would be to essentially have a 'master' copy of the installation someplace, and then use something like rsync to keep everyone's installations matching that version... |
| 03:47.39 | smileaf | this is actually not the difficult part of a package manager. its all the extras to make things easier for the user that make a package manager more complicated. |
| 03:48.06 | coolbreeze | or if you need/want a change and upstream disagrees or is not interested. you get to patch it yourself :) |
| 03:48.28 | troy | anyway - that's for another day :) |
| 03:48.40 | smileaf | its possible to write a basic source based package manager in about 1-2 hours with just using bash scripting. |
| 03:48.58 | smileaf | heck.. 30 minutes. |
| 03:49.00 | troy | packages for postgres, wine, java, etc... |
| 03:49.02 | smileaf | tops |
| 03:49.09 | coolbreeze | smileaf: like portage? |
| 03:49.24 | smileaf | coolbreeze: affirmative. |
| 03:49.50 | smileaf | coolbreeze: I had one going for a while, but stopped working on it due to lack of time. |
| 03:50.39 | smileaf | think I made myself a basic LFS system with a basic package manager in about 3-4 hours. |
| 03:51.20 | smileaf | its fun, but lots of work that I just don't have time for. |
| 03:53.32 | smileaf | I think doing that for the short amount of time that I did I learned more about linux than in all the time I've spent using linux(~5-6yrs) |
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| 03:54.32 | smileaf | coolbreeze: tbh I hate portage |
| 03:55.25 | coolbreeze | smileaf: i've no firsthand experince with it. just noticed it's bash |
| 03:55.39 | smileaf | its actually written in python |
| 03:55.55 | coolbreeze | hm, ok... |
| 03:56.20 | coolbreeze | some aspect of must use bash |
| 03:56.22 | smileaf | a package manager should not use +800M |
| 03:56.50 | smileaf | coolbreeze: emerge is a python script that in a sense creates an environment and writes out a bash script then executes it. |
| 03:57.04 | coolbreeze | ah, ok |
| 03:57.15 | smileaf | its not a bad idea. |
| 03:57.26 | smileaf | very good idea actually |
| 03:57.54 | smileaf | But whats going on behind the scenes is a complete mess. |
| 03:58.31 | smileaf | a file structure is easy to manage yes, but horrible to deal with and incredibly slow. |
| 03:58.45 | smileaf | its also very space inefficient. |
| 04:00.25 | coolbreeze | what could it need to do besides extract, build, and compress |
| 04:00.53 | smileaf | they need to create a database that you sync, not ebuilds |
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| 04:01.53 | smileaf | a database would be very fast to search and space efficient. the user could then tell the manager to install something and it'd fetch the required ebuild and then the source, compile and install. |
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| 04:03.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | Hi, I am back |
| 04:03.30 | smileaf | welcome back |
| 04:03.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am now on kubuntu |
| 04:03.47 | smileaf | I'm sorry |
| 04:03.54 | canllaith | ha |
| 04:03.54 | CPrgmSwR2 | Why are you sorry |
| 04:03.56 | canllaith | that's a bad smileaf =) |
| 04:03.59 | smileaf | hehe |
| 04:04.08 | smileaf | canllaith got the joke =p |
| 04:04.16 | coolbreeze | heheh |
| 04:04.27 | coolbreeze | i'm on Fedora 7 |
| 04:04.34 | coolbreeze | the KDE spin |
| 04:04.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | lol I am slow to ketching jokes at times |
| 04:05.07 | coolbreeze | i'm happy to report they didn't f**k it up :) |
| 04:05.27 | troy | coolbreeze: that's unusual for redhat and kde it seems... |
| 04:06.17 | smileaf | troy: well fedora is a comunity supported variant of redhat, so its not too unusual. |
| 04:06.18 | coolbreeze | troy: absolutely. here's hoping this diminishes that reputation |
| 04:08.17 | coolbreeze | bluecurve is gone (as a default, anyway) |
| 04:08.18 | smileaf | Mmmm... tired. |
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| 04:08.29 | troy | coolbreeze: bluecurve is one of the many changes that distros make that upset me :) |
| 04:08.36 | Chani | hrm |
| 04:08.46 | coolbreeze | the icon theme's still around which i like. then there's the win deco, which is junk |
| 04:08.54 | troy | coolbreeze: and not just redhat either - suse and kubuntu and all the KDE friendly distros are often guilty of that as well... |
| 04:08.58 | Chani | I want to start up kde4... but.. I *should* go eat lunch... |
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| 04:09.15 | smileaf | off to bed. CPrgmSwR2 don't hurt yourself too much now. canllaith have a good day =) troy have a cookie for me ;) coolbreeze Chani .. I don't have a smart-comment for you - sorry =) |
| 04:09.33 | Jucato | (just ranting btw... I know this isn't the right channel) |
| 04:09.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | hey Jucato |
| 04:09.43 | Jucato | hi CPrgmSwR2 |
| 04:09.54 | Chani | hehe |
| 04:10.14 | Jucato | <bot-like voice> Yum! |
| 04:10.22 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: how's the kubuntu install process these days? I haven't installed it in quite a while - last time I did, it was still text based... |
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| 04:11.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | the install was quite nice troy |
| 04:11.31 | Jucato | O.o |
| 04:11.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | Now just tring to enable all repositories |
| 04:11.54 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: what graphics chip are you using? |
| 04:12.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | ati-radeon |
| 04:12.08 | coolbreeze | troy: the Fedora 7 spin ships with plastik/crystal as defaults |
| 04:12.18 | troy | coolbreeze: good stuff :) |
| 04:12.37 | coolbreeze | i'm happy :) |
| 04:12.40 | Jucato | troy: the installation of Kubuntu is a no-brainer. It's getting it to work afterwards, when some things don't work, that's difficult :) |
| 04:13.12 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: you can find the fglrx drivers in the repository - while they work great for GL things like games and so forth, they don't work for Composite without a lot of harassment... |
| 04:13.21 | alex[slx] | how can I start a KDE app on a remote computer via the command line? |
| 04:13.34 | troy | alex[slx]: you want it to display to your computer? |
| 04:13.42 | Jucato | ack I'm desperate :( |
| 04:13.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | I learned that from gentoo troy |
| 04:13.52 | Jucato | can't imagine no IRC for 2 days.. not being able to see troy :( |
| 04:13.54 | CPrgmSwR2 | I used the radeon drivers when I was under gentoo |
| 04:14.14 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: yeah - you can get composite then - only GL is slightly slower... |
| 04:14.21 | alex[slx] | troy: no I just want to start it remotely |
| 04:14.44 | troy | alex[slx]: you can log on using ssh and start it that way I guess... |
| 04:15.02 | alex[slx] | so troy, say I want to start amarok remotely |
| 04:15.09 | alex[slx] | I ssh in and use amarokapp? |
| 04:15.26 | alex[slx] | that doesn't work |
| 04:15.26 | troy | alex[slx]: you might have to put the command "export DISPLAY=:0.0" before running amarokapp... |
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| 04:15.39 | troy | alex[slx]: and that computer will need to have a user logged into X for it to work... |
| 04:15.52 | CPrgmSwR2 | Everything installs SOOO fast |
| 04:16.07 | alex[slx] | troy: ok |
| 04:16.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its only taking me half an hour to fully upgrade and install kubuntu |
| 04:16.48 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: in particular, you'll want the package called "build-essential" or similar that contains the compiler and most system headers... |
| 04:17.09 | CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay |
| 04:17.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | I just clicked update for now |
| 04:17.46 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: yeah - you can also add the kde 3.5.7 repository using the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php |
| 04:18.01 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh its not there by default |
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| 04:18.52 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: no - each release (6 months apart) contains only security updates and bug fixes to the packages that shipped with that actual release... which means, if you aren't adding any repos, you get a super stable system... |
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| 04:19.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay |
| 04:19.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have to say kubuntu is really nice |
| 04:19.47 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: since KDE often releases in between kubuntu versions, they create special repos for those packages as they aren't part of the actual kubuntu release... this way they can keep clearly separate those packages that are part of the release |
| 04:20.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh cool |
| 04:20.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | so in order to upgrade in installed kubuntu distro - you simple change repos? |
| 04:20.31 | troy | yeah :) |
| 04:20.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | wow thats easy |
| 04:21.15 | CPrgmSwR2 | Do I have to configure my own kernel? |
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| 04:24.02 | Hazuki | What style goes well with a black theme? I mean pure black for the window and widget background, like #000000 |
| 04:24.12 | Hazuki | Using KDE 3.5.7 on Gentoo AMD64 if that helps |
| 04:25.05 | troy | CPrgmSwR2: no - why? |
| 04:25.38 | troy | Hazuki: that's not the everyday sort of colour scheme - you might have to play around yourself for a while to find one that fits well... |
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| 04:25.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | Thats awsome |
| 04:25.52 | CPrgmSwR2 | Kubuntu makes life so easy |
| 04:26.08 | Hazuki | troy, I know...have been working on it. Using #000000 as the widget base makes windows hard to see the edges of |
| 04:26.13 | A_b | coolbreeze, how is fedora 7 working for you? |
| 04:26.30 | coolbreeze | fine so far |
| 04:26.57 | A_b | I tried fedora core 6 but couldn't get to work on my t22 thinkpad |
| 04:27.02 | coolbreeze | the change to all libata was a bit rough, but... |
| 04:28.12 | A_b | I am itching to try fedora 7 but have to wait for a couple of weeks when my roomy gets a freebee comp |
| 04:28.39 | coolbreeze | there's a KDE livecd if you want to have a look |
| 04:29.19 | A_b | I already downloaded fedora 7 to dvd in anticipation :) |
| 04:29.48 | A_b | i don't have any good cd |
| 04:30.08 | A_b | s to write to right now :/ |
| 04:30.43 | A_b | is there a way to force live cd to burn to dvd through kd3 |
| 04:31.16 | coolbreeze | i didn't have to force anything |
| 04:31.16 | A_b | ? |
| 04:32.31 | A_b | well i don't have writeable cd right now but have dvdr and kd3 always requests cd for burn of live cd download |
| 04:32.57 | troy | I think an iso is the same, whether on cd or dvd... |
| 04:33.10 | troy | but I could be wrong... |
| 04:33.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | wow this is soo fun |
| 04:33.26 | coolbreeze | i just used the burn dvd image tool and selected the livecd iso |
| 04:33.41 | A_b | but kd3 don't seem to let me select the burn medium |
| 04:33.58 | coolbreeze | kd3? you mean k3b? |
| 04:34.11 | A_b | probably |
| 04:34.36 | A_b | i am new on the block :) |
| 04:34.50 | A_b | yes k3b |
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| 04:36.09 | A_b | i put a dvd in burner but k3b keeps requesting cd |
| 04:36.50 | A_b | and don't see option to select or change medium |
| 04:36.55 | coolbreeze | you're probably using the cd image tool |
| 04:38.46 | A_b | okay i will go to the manual and see what i discover :) - I tryed the linux nero but don't work and not capable of exploring terminal yet but learning :) |
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| 04:39.29 | coolbreeze | Tools -> Burn DVD ISO Image |
| 04:41.11 | A_b | I will explore thanks |
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| 04:45.18 | CPrgmSwR2 | troy are you still here |
| 04:46.18 | troy | yeah |
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| 04:46.57 | troy | I'm in like 10 channels - I sometimes ride the flow of conversation from place to place... :) after all, gotta get material for my articles :) |
| 04:47.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | So now do I re-follow the kde.org website in installing kde4? |
| 04:47.43 | troy | use the instructions on techbase.kde.org |
| 04:47.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay |
| 04:48.07 | troy | what you will discover is that you're missing a bunch of headers when you first install kubuntu... |
| 04:49.05 | troy | cmake will complain about them... you just open up adept_maager and go searching for them... for example, to build kwin with composite support - search for 'composite' and install the libxcomposite-dev and x11proto-comoposte-dev packages (or similar - can't recall their exact names...) |
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| 04:49.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | I whole bunch of crap got pulled in when I went to install qt-desinger |
| 04:49.13 | alex[slx] | troy: fedora a noob OS? |
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| 04:49.40 | troy | alex[slx]: fedora isn't as bad - it at least has a fairly sane set of packages to pull when you need them... |
| 04:49.57 | alex[slx] | lol sorry btw, some reason irssi was scrolled up heaps :D |
| 04:50.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | alex[slx]: A word of advice don't waste your tring with a in depth distro I would go with kubuntu pclinux susu or fedora |
| 04:50.07 | troy | alex[slx]: if you ignore their previous, spotty KDE support :) |
| 04:50.11 | Thorrn4 | hello, Im trying to use K3b to rip a movie, its been 1/2 an hour and its still 0%, how long does it usually take 2 start? |
| 04:50.28 | Thorrn4 | its k3b 1.0.1 |
| 04:50.55 | alex[slx] | CPrgmSwR2: what do you mean? |
| 04:51.12 | CPrgmSwR2 | I used gentoo for so long thinking it was all great |
| 04:51.38 | Thorrn4 | has anyone used k3b to rip a movie? |
| 04:51.42 | coolbreeze | hm, k3b can't find sox even though it's in /usr/bin |
| 04:51.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | I have to honestly say nope |
| 04:51.59 | CPrgmSwR2 | did you add support for it |
| 04:52.32 | alex[slx] | troy: what OS do you use? |
| 04:52.58 | troy | alex[slx]: I use kubuntu - mostly because it's stable... |
| 04:53.21 | alex[slx] | ah... I thought kubuntu was supposed to be bleeding edge? |
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| 04:53.32 | alex[slx] | only if you install those packages I guess |
| 04:53.39 | maelstrom | is this a good channel to get help with k3b ? |
| 04:53.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | yeah kubuntu is awsome |
| 04:54.01 | alex[slx] | mmm... never really liked debian... I'm a redhat user |
| 04:54.05 | troy | alex[slx]: they markey themselves as being bleeding edge - but I wouldn't really call it that for most things... they don't ship beta releases and such |
| 04:54.15 | alex[slx] | mmm |
| 04:54.16 | troy | market* (not markey...) |
| 04:54.44 | troy | alex[slx]: I mean, they ship the most up to date, yet stable packages... |
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| 04:55.06 | alex[slx] | yeah... I liked that, and I liked their package manager, sooooo fast |
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| 04:56.07 | alex[slx] | if CentOS/RHEL and Fedora used apt they would be sooooo awesome |
| 04:56.14 | alex[slx] | though yum isn't too bad |
| 04:56.51 | alex[slx] | </talk type="off-topic"> |
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| 04:57.57 | alex[slx] | hey stylus |
| 04:58.19 | stylus | hey man |
| 04:58.35 | alex[slx] | I'm starting to get a head ache :( |
| 04:58.39 | alex[slx] | :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( :) :( |
| 04:58.50 | stylus | Haha |
| 04:59.18 | stylus | i'll probably have a little sleep later on |
| 04:59.25 | stylus | power naps++ |
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| 05:05.53 | pavan | hello |
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| 05:09.20 | bakerboy | hello |
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| 05:14.44 | logixoul | hmm... I think I just created... THE BEST KDE THEME EVER! |
| 05:14.46 | logixoul | :D |
| 05:14.48 | logixoul | http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8652/xiorse5.png |
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| 05:17.55 | troy | logixoul: that actually looks quite nice :) what font is that? |
| 05:18.14 | logixoul | the one in the deco? "dark11" from dafont.com |
| 05:18.22 | logixoul | (only latin and digits) |
| 05:18.25 | logixoul | :) |
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| 05:18.32 | BP{k} | logixoul: nice |
| 05:18.40 | logixoul | thx |
| 05:19.41 | troy | logixoul: make a tarball out of all the components needed for it and throw it up on kde-look... I'm sure you'll get a pretty good response :) |
| 05:20.15 | Chani | ohhh, I really want kde4 |
| 05:20.22 | A_b | Is there a way i can get semi or tanspancy on window background on kde? |
| 05:20.29 | Chani | I wanna be able to choose a font based on looks, not language support |
| 05:21.03 | logixoul | troy: yup, that's planned... but making them patch domino and crystal would suck ;) I gotta get some stuff accepted in there first, so this kind of theming can be done with no patching |
| 05:21.15 | logixoul | troy: but I'll put up a screenshot to make them drool :) |
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| 05:21.42 | logixoul | A_b: no |
| 05:22.06 | logixoul | A_b: except for Konsole |
| 05:22.32 | troy | A_b: well, "no" - unless you're using compositing, which is fairly basic under kwin3... but rocks for kwin4... |
| 05:22.49 | troy | A_b: under KDE3, you can do that using beryl, etc... but then you lose kwin... |
| 05:23.01 | troy | A_b: and, your video card has to be supported... |
| 05:23.15 | logixoul | A_b: just so you know, the transparency troy talks about will make the _entire_ window translucent, not just the background |
| 05:23.34 | troy | right :) |
| 05:24.07 | troy | logixoul: although, if the window is smart enough, it can set the alpha channel on a portion of the window to achieve regional transparency... |
| 05:24.31 | logixoul | yup. and only konsole of all of kde land does this :) |
| 05:24.53 | troy | logixoul: so far :) |
| 05:24.57 | logixoul | yup |
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| 05:25.33 | logixoul | I'm wondering if I'll be able to make domino make all textboxes transparent (with composite required of course) |
| 05:25.49 | troy | anyway guys, I think it's sleep time :) |
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| 05:26.00 | logixoul | I just woke up but oh well :) good night |
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| 05:29.17 | ZiM | HeLLo |
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| 05:29.28 | logixoul | hi |
| 05:29.43 | ZiM | [logixoul] Hi |
| 05:31.27 | A_b | okay thanks troy,logixoul I do not have the support for anything other than 2d I don't mind got trans on menu and kicker - just different and wondering :) |
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| 05:32.33 | A_b | got savage 3 or something in this thinkpad |
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| 05:33.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | #kde.de always so dead ? or is just because its 0730 lol |
| 05:33.11 | logixoul | A_b: well, the transparency you see in menus and kicker is faked. To see what I'm talking about, start scrolling in konq (by tapping the middle mouse button and moving the mouse downwards) and rightclick to get the context menu. You'll see its background is frozen. |
| 05:35.22 | ZiM | WHaT iS THe KDe? |
| 05:36.44 | logixoul | ZiM: http://kde.org/whatiskde/ |
| 05:37.06 | Jucato | there's actually a page like that? hehehe |
| 05:37.12 | logixoul | ;) |
| 05:37.20 | logixoul | it's the first one in the navigation |
| 05:37.26 | ZiM | a VeR |
| 05:38.03 | Chani | k, time to Get Stuff Done |
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| 05:38.25 | Chani | I think I'll start with another kde4 update, quickly before monday hits |
| 05:38.38 | Jucato | er... shouldn't that be Get Things Done (tm) ? :D |
| 05:39.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | DoN't YoU JuSt HaTe PeOpLe WhO tYpE lIkE tHiS |
| 05:39.35 | Jucato | not *hate*, but MoRe oF aNnoYeD really. :) |
| 05:40.13 | ZiM | i uSe WiNDoWS, iS a ReaLY MieRDa BuT eReRYBoDY iN MY CouNTRY uSe WiNDoWS |
| 05:40.33 | logixoul | hmm... ZiM is capitalizing only consonants... this is script kiddie speak. |
| 05:40.50 | logixoul | mierda? |
| 05:41.09 | logixoul | doesn't that mean fuck in french? |
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| 05:42.07 | Jucato | O.o |
| 05:42.14 | Chani | o.0 |
| 05:42.28 | Jucato | >.> |
| 05:42.30 | Jucato | <.< |
| 05:42.49 | logixoul | \_/+\_/ |
| 05:43.05 | ZiM | now |
| 05:43.10 | logixoul | whois says spain |
| 05:43.24 | ZiM | argetnina |
| 05:43.26 | coolbreeze | logixoul: it's spanish for POOP |
| 05:43.29 | ZiM | argentina* |
| 05:43.59 | BP{k} | shit on me ... indeed. Buenos aires is in argentina .. not brazil. |
| 05:44.00 | coolbreeze | or in this case, PooP |
| 05:44.05 | Jucato | wow! see? he *can* spell properly :) |
| 05:44.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | Consonats poshonants |
| 05:46.04 | ZiM | yes buenos aires is in argentina not brazil |
| 05:46.45 | ZiM | i live in la plata !!!! |
| 05:47.04 | ZiM | where u from? |
| 05:47.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | Mars ? |
| 05:47.35 | BP{k} | il |
| 05:47.44 | BP{k} | hmm .. s/il/uk/ |
| 05:48.56 | ZiM | what is the diference beetwen kde and gńome |
| 05:49.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | What is the difference between UNIX and CP/M ? |
| 05:49.27 | SAS_Spidey01 | Same question imho... |
| 05:50.04 | factor | how can I change the arrows and kde3.5 logo to the other side |
| 05:50.14 | ZiM | i dont know |
| 05:50.16 | factor | my k button is on the right side not the left |
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| 05:50.53 | ZiM | who is the beast kde o gńome? |
| 05:51.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | factor, try to right click->move it with the rat on your desk |
| 05:52.03 | factor | heh |
| 05:52.14 | factor | I got rid of the kde3.5 side logo |
| 05:52.40 | factor | I want it on the right side though |
| 05:53.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hmm never heard of a POSIXLY_CORRECT environment variable |
| 05:53.09 | factor | but the arrows are always pointing on the oppposite side |
| 05:53.15 | padde | i don't like k buttons at all ;) waste of space |
| 05:54.31 | Jucato | katapult ftw! :) |
| 05:54.53 | ZiM | what is the diference beetwen kde and gnome? |
| 05:55.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | I usually use my shell, recently I've added a quicklauncher to my panel |
| 05:55.20 | Chani | wow, that's a loaded question |
| 05:55.39 | Chani | ZiM: I don't know much about gnome, but I think kde has a lot more integration |
| 05:55.41 | padde | ZiM: what's the difference between female and male? |
| 05:57.00 | BP{k} | ZiM: there be google! :) |
| 05:57.00 | m0d0r | LoL |
| 05:57.00 | SAS_Spidey01 | ZiM KDE uses QT, Gnome uses GTK+ |
| 05:57.08 | padde | ZiM: i would go somewhere else to get unbiased answers to that question |
| 05:57.08 | ZiM | [padde] the diference is simple the famele hace pocha and the male have pito |
| 05:57.08 | ZiM | :D |
| 05:57.20 | padde | ZiM: see, it's similar with gnome and kde |
| 05:57.21 | factor | took the words from my mouth |
| 05:57.34 | ZiM | lol |
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| 05:58.45 | shinigami | heya all |
| 05:58.48 | ZiM | kde is beast o gnome is a beast |
| 05:58.56 | padde | SAS_Spidey01 / Jucato: i just configured KDE to open the k menu when i right-click on the desktop (took that from fluxbox ;) - that way i don't have to move my mouse to a specific point on my monitor AND waste space with a button. |
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| 05:59.30 | Jucato | padde: I don't have to use the mouse at all. but yeah that's helpful too. :) |
| 05:59.58 | BP{k} | ZiM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=difference+between+kde+and+gnome&meta=&btnG=Google+Search&aq=t&oq=difference+between+kde+and+ should keep you busy and entertained. |
| 06:00.02 | shinigami | ok anyone know where to get like good panel backgrounds |
| 06:00.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | Thats one thing I like about the twm spawn padde |
| 06:00.20 | BP{k} | hmm I should have used tinyurl for that :\ |
| 06:00.23 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: the what? |
| 06:00.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | padde, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWM |
| 06:00.52 | padde | i know twm |
| 06:00.56 | factor | in the kde controler why does it not let me change my "size and orientation" I was to turn my kde on its side. |
| 06:01.02 | padde | that ugly default wm which comes with X ;) |
| 06:01.02 | factor | user display |
| 06:01.08 | factor | twm |
| 06:01.13 | factor | heh |
| 06:01.24 | factor | wonder why they have not come out with twm2 |
| 06:01.29 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: didn't use it long enough to figure out it also opens the launch menu on right click ;) |
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| 06:02.09 | ZiM | linux ubuntu is compatible whit kde |
| 06:02.36 | factor | how do I get Orientation uder display to un-grey out or enable left 90 degrees? |
| 06:02.44 | padde | ZiM: no clue what you're trying to say... but perhaps try kubuntu |
| 06:03.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | TWM begot FVWM begot AfterStep, Enlightentment e.t.c. |
| 06:03.28 | m0d0r | ;-))0 |
| 06:04.16 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: i concur |
| 06:05.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | I love WMaker/Blackbox but I don't like most TWM like wm |
| 06:05.40 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: i'm using openbox on one of my machines |
| 06:05.45 | ZiM | The truth never uses unix, esuedes that it(he,she) recommends to me to use for my first one you see with an unix |
| 06:05.54 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: neat and simple... |
| 06:06.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've used Blackbox & Fluxbox but yet to try OpenBox |
| 06:06.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | OpenBoxes menu system sounds interesting though |
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| 06:07.18 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: XML configuration files need a bit getting used to if you don't have a nice xml editor available ;) but otherwise great |
| 06:08.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | XML Config files can't be much worse then some auto *barf* generated HTML I've seen |
| 06:08.49 | Jucato | don't we have a kxmleditor? |
| 06:08.59 | coolbreeze | kate |
| 06:09.16 | Jucato | no. I meant a real xml editor. |
| 06:09.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://www.sasclan.org/ -- view sources and look what I have to deal with lol..... |
| 06:09.22 | ZiM | The truth never uses unix, you that it(he,she) recommends to me to use for my first one you see with an unix |
| 06:09.23 | Jucato | that's actually the name of an actual kde program |
| 06:09.25 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: my menu looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/Zs7JV759.html |
| 06:09.57 | SAS_Spidey01 | looks very nice padde |
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| 06:10.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | urxvt == rxvt /w Unicode support ? |
| 06:10.18 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: yes |
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| 06:13.10 | coolbreeze | Jucato: kate has an xml plugin |
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| 06:14.39 | ZiM | somebody to talk spanish? |
| 06:14.44 | Jucato | coolbreeze: yes. but I was talking about a standalone app. I was not asking for it. I was implying that there's an app called kxmleditor |
| 06:14.57 | coolbreeze | oh, ok |
| 06:15.48 | ZiM | :( |
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| 06:17.06 | ZiM | well people i goint to sleep tomorow go to fly |
| 06:17.09 | ZiM | see you soo |
| 06:17.47 | ZiM | thank for explaication about kde |
| 06:17.47 | ZiM | bye |
| 06:18.43 | ZiM | i say bye |
| 06:18.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | cheers |
| 06:19.29 | A_b | nan'estella ZiM |
| 06:20.07 | ZiM | [SAS_Spidey01] cheers ?? for what |
| 06:21.17 | ZiM | [SAS_Spidey01] look this |
| 06:21.23 | ZiM | gnome keeps things simple, kde gives you more choice |
| 06:21.31 | ZiM | is thue |
| 06:21.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | Gnome is to simple imho |
| 06:22.42 | ZiM | but is better whith kde |
| 06:22.54 | SAS_Spidey01 | The only thing I have aganst KDE is so much C++... but hey, I'm not the developers so not my place to say |
| 06:23.00 | animesh | kde looks more geeky i guess.... ;) |
| 06:23.05 | animesh | love it for sure... |
| 06:23.58 | Simeon_H | gnome keeps things simple by hiding stuff! |
| 06:24.31 | padde | kde and geeky? depends on configuration ;) |
| 06:24.43 | animesh | if u r usin linux...i guess.....u dont want stuff hidden... |
| 06:24.47 | padde | with yakuake for example it sure does ;) |
| 06:24.50 | animesh | better use ugly windows then.. |
| 06:24.55 | animesh | ;) |
| 06:25.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | Where else but KDE could you remove the bookmark entry from the menu bar in a web browser w/o recompilng it or the entire thing -- bu tin KDE :-) |
| 06:25.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | or removing the entire thing * |
| 06:26.14 | ZiM | well kde have more option, and gnome no have configuration option |
| 06:26.29 | ZiM | this is true |
| 06:26.35 | ZiM | ? |
| 06:26.36 | SAS_Spidey01 | Gnome has an optional configuration program iirc |
| 06:27.01 | ZiM | ok |
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| 06:28.18 | ZiM | the better is kde |
| 06:28.30 | ZiM | im goint to use kde |
| 06:28.31 | ZiM | :D |
| 06:28.35 | ZiM | bye |
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| 06:28.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | Vi or Emacs and KDE or Gnome Unix or TOPS-10, give choices and people will argue them hehe |
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| 06:41.39 | A_b | well I just think it is sweet i can run different desktops through different users however kde does present a very functional deskdtop which i enjoy |
| 06:43.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | not to mention kate is probably one of the best non emacs/vi based editors.. lol |
| 06:43.10 | A_b | and I must say it is my choice of desktop as a strickly linux user now :) |
| 06:44.08 | A_b | My roomy an i are Bill free lol :) |
| 06:44.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | LiveCDs aside I don't think I've ever used KDE under Linux |
| 06:44.36 | A_b | and she just loves kde for her studies |
| 06:45.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | Before I stopped using word processes I did enjoy koffice on my bsdstation ;-) |
| 06:45.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | s/processes/processors/ |
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| 06:45.56 | A_b | I'm into abiword _ A b |
| 06:46.12 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: so now you don't write letters or other stuff anymore? |
| 06:46.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | Abiword is nice but forced me to use .doc for business reasons |
| 06:47.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | padde, I use Vim if its not for e-mail |
| 06:47.24 | A_b | yeah my roomy is forced into the same by the ms sellout to university |
| 06:47.28 | padde | what i found out lately: either openoffice's or koffice's opendocument implementation sucks big time |
| 06:47.49 | padde | my thesis looks like shit when i open it in koffice (written in openoffice writer) |
| 06:47.58 | SAS_Spidey01 | A_b, we used RTF but Abiword would not display the files correctly if they were worked on from MS software or OO |
| 06:48.09 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: umm.. writing business letters in vim? ;) |
| 06:48.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | padde, thats why I've stopped using word processors |
| 06:48.31 | SAS_Spidey01 | to much fooking trouble to get it to look approx the same in every app |
| 06:48.50 | padde | well, openoffice at least is available everywhere, so it's bearable... |
| 06:49.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'm some where between using XHTML/CSS and learning TeX for doing printing lol |
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| 06:49.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | padde, tell that to a user that only knows how to open files in MSWord and demands it looks 'just right' |
| 06:50.06 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: i only send pdf... if that other person needs to work on my documents, he has to install openoffice. it's freely available |
| 06:50.09 | A_b | as long as i can communicate - i have achieved a goal in life. therefore the difficulties of process are subject to trial and error :) |
| 06:50.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | padde, I wish I could do the same ;-) |
| 06:50.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | I usually have to send .txt and XHTML it back... lol |
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| 06:51.38 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: you know, there is one strong argument which most of the time works: "what? you want me to spend 200 bucks so i can install MS word? no way, you just install openoffice, it's better for you anyway" ;) |
| 06:52.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | Thats actually why I started to use OpenOffice :-P |
| 06:52.20 | A_b | well if ya want simplicity pdf everything hahaha my roomy had to for the university to read hahhaha |
| 06:53.09 | padde | A_b: that's the way to go anyway... PDF is the "portable document format"... nobody should send office documents if the other side doesn't really need to change around things in that document |
| 06:53.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | maybe I'm old fashion but I think I like editing in ASCII hehehe ;-) |
| 06:54.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | plain text gets the point across. As long as its set to DOS eol and they don't use ed or some thing else old |
| 06:54.15 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: ASCII? UTF-8 text files are acceptable.. but ASCII is not. my horizon doesn't end with those 127 chars ;) |
| 06:54.44 | SAS_Spidey01 | padde, I'm set to UTF-8 but the ASCII part is good enough for most ;-) |
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| 06:54.53 | micr0c0sm | what do the qt3support libraries do? |
| 06:55.00 | micr0c0sm | for qt4? |
| 06:56.07 | padde | my best guess would be: providing backward compatibility |
| 06:56.21 | micr0c0sm | heh google ftw thx |
| 06:56.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | iirc qt4 does have some stuff for compat with qt3 |
| 06:57.04 | micr0c0sm | from a cursory glance it looks like it allows app developers to use qt3 api calls in qt4 libraries |
| 06:57.11 | micr0c0sm | to make it easier to port stuff |
| 06:57.23 | A_b | yeah i am kinda keen on the Oo.o and rather enjoy the diversity of word processors as it got me through last semester when bill died :) |
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| 06:58.34 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: at least Wordpad does ;) |
| 06:58.46 | A_b | Linux. kde, and Oo.o saved me hahahaha |
| 06:58.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | Word I think has better spell checking then SWriter A-b |
| 06:59.20 | padde | spell checking is for windows users... |
| 06:59.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | Spell checking is also helpful when you have to type _VERY_ fast or not at all |
| 07:00.09 | animesh | sorry for off topic question...but did....anyone tried buffer overflows on 64bit architecture? |
| 07:00.31 | SAS_Spidey01 | I type faster then I think and think faster then I talk lol... |
| 07:00.36 | padde | that's a strange question ;) |
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| 07:00.55 | animesh | yup i know.....havin problems portin my old codes to amd 64 |
| 07:00.57 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: you sure talk slowly then ;) |
| 07:01.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | hehe ;-) |
| 07:01.18 | padde | SAS_Spidey01: he, how about a competition? got typespeed? :P |
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| 07:01.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | I only type about ~70wpm when being told what to write |
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| 07:02.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | When I type what I think, I can go very quickly |
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| 07:10.59 | Fallen_ | hello all |
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| 07:31.22 | bram85 | oneforall: how do you know it's a KDE problem? does it work OK in other environments (another desktop like Gnome or even another OS)? |
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| 08:12.16 | esperegu | Saluton! Is it possible to run a custom command with a bookmark? (like shell command) |
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| 08:20.28 | vbgunz | anyone here familiar with rsync? I heard about it and have been seriously going over the help file and experimenting and I am finding it great for quick backups. My question is, using --delete. is it possible to actually backup deleted files before deleting them? |
| 08:21.59 | esperegu | jes |
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| 08:23.01 | esperegu | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:23.02 | esperegu | YEAR=`date "+%Y"` |
| 08:23.04 | esperegu | MONTH=`date "+%M"` |
| 08:23.05 | esperegu | DAY=`date "+%d"` |
| 08:23.07 | esperegu | rsync -za /transfer/this user@host:/mydestination/directory --backup-dir /keep/changes/$YEAR/$MONTH/$DAY |
| 08:23.16 | esperegu | something like that |
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| 08:24.47 | vbgunz | your setting variables, correct? YEAR='date "+%Y"' <? not sure how to use those particular variables :( |
| 08:25.29 | esperegu | I'll talk private |
| 08:25.34 | vbgunz | I am not using z and am somewhat using a but a bit more verbose at the moment |
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| 08:29.07 | esperegu | anyone knows how to create 'shell like' bookmarks? |
| 08:29.25 | esperegu | I need to run some custom commands with the standard bookmarks |
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| 08:34.59 | bram85 | vbgunz: i think rdiff-backup is more what you are looking for |
| 08:35.29 | esperegu | bram85: he just is making local backups |
| 08:35.33 | vbgunz | bram85: I cannot backup the entire box for some reason. I get errors like nuts using sudo and trying to backup / |
| 08:36.05 | bram85 | esperegu: i use it for local backups as well, works great |
| 08:36.12 | vbgunz | esperegu: not really sure how to play around with bookmarks :( |
| 08:36.35 | esperegu | bram85: u know how to make bookmarks that just execute shell commands? |
| 08:36.57 | Alarm | hello , i use debian etch, i got a little problem with the meta info. when checking on the properties of a mp3 file and check for the meta info i see symbols like that "Ôï ìðáñ Ă´ĂŻ ĂáõÜãéï" , i got as default the us language ,but i have also set the greek utf and iso locales. i suppose those meta info are written with the windows standard cp (dont know for sure) . how could i fix that ? |
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| 08:37.39 | bram85 | esperegu: no... but maybe those Javascript bookmarks will work for you |
| 08:37.52 | esperegu | which? u have url for me? |
| 08:37.56 | bram85 | esperegu: forgot the name of that Konqueror extension |
| 08:38.06 | bram85 | esperegu: it's in kdeaddons |
| 08:38.27 | bram85 | esperegu: minitools |
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| 08:39.23 | bram85 | vbgunz: sorry don't know... not a rsync expert.. but hey, it's #kde after all |
| 08:39.30 | vbgunz | esperegu: nice trick with those variables, they work but I have no idea how it works like that :| |
| 08:39.45 | esperegu | :- |
| 08:39.51 | esperegu | :-) |
| 08:40.24 | vbgunz | bram85: no problem, thought I ask :) |
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| 08:41.21 | vbgunz | esperegu: quick question. why do you say: ${REMOTE_DIR} and *not* simply $REMOTE_DIR ? |
| 08:42.17 | vbgunz | it seems like just style to me at the moment as they both output the exact same value :/ |
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| 08:43.10 | esperegu | =) |
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| 08:44.02 | vbgunz | :) |
| 08:44.05 | esperegu | probably it did not work when other characters where added directly after it |
| 08:44.21 | vbgunz | either way, I am learning my dues today :) |
| 08:44.23 | esperegu | bram85: kdeaddons: 8mb =) |
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| 08:46.10 | bram85 | esperegu: yes, but it's somewhere in the konq-plugins folder... you can only build that part if you use the sources |
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| 08:47.17 | esperegu | ow. I don't use sources |
| 08:47.40 | bram85 | well, then just install kdeaddons and eventually enable the extension in Konqueror |
| 08:47.48 | bram85 | it may be off by default |
| 08:48.01 | esperegu | bram85: minitools appears |
| 08:48.22 | esperegu | bram85: but since it is not the same as the bookmarks it probably won't work |
| 08:48.48 | bram85 | esperegu: no ok... it was an idea |
| 08:49.07 | esperegu | bram85: the only thing I want is to be able to create a custom menu with submenu's when I click on the desktop |
| 08:49.30 | esperegu | since you can have bookmarks appear there I thought I could use that |
| 08:49.47 | bram85 | esperegu: maybe create a HTML page which triggers an exploit in KHTML/Konqueror which allows you to execute arbitrary commands on your host :) |
| 08:50.00 | esperegu | hehe. |
| 08:50.11 | esperegu | there has to be a normal way to get a custom menu there |
| 08:50.54 | bram85 | esperegu: afaik, the bookmarks framework does not support that, it can only store locations, not execute |
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| 08:51.39 | esperegu | bram85: you know another way to get the same result? (some plugin that enables custom menu's on a click on the desktop) |
| 08:52.29 | bram85 | esperegu: closest i can get is to create servicemenu entries which should appear in the Actions menu (right click desktop to see what I mean) |
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| 08:53.17 | bram85 | a customizable desktop menu is an old wish at bugs.kde.org, if i remember right |
| 08:53.47 | bram85 | but sorry, have to go now |
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| 08:53.51 | esperegu | hmmm.. then why don't they make it... they have a one level now. |
| 08:53.51 | bram85 | good luck |
| 08:53.53 | esperegu | k .thx |
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| 09:14.23 | crazy_bus | I've got a task which requires me to perform the same commandline task on many different files. The all have nearly identical names and are in the same folder. Is there a tool to automate this in konsole or another program? |
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| 09:15.28 | qupada | for i in *; do ./foo $i; done |
| 09:15.29 | qupada | more or less |
| 09:15.50 | qupada | replace './foo' with whatever app you need to process them with, add command-line options as appropriate |
| 09:16.06 | qupada | and of course if you want something like all jpeg files, 'for i in *.jpg' |
| 09:16.29 | qupada | this, by the way, assumes you're using bash, i don't know if it works the same anywhere else |
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| 09:20.22 | crazy_bus | the command is meant to take .wav and output a .wav. How can I get it to put the new .wav's in a new folder so they don't get mixed up? |
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| 09:22.36 | Chani | crazy_bus: how does the command you're using specify where to put hte new file? give me an example with one file |
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| 09:23.21 | crazy_bus | sox input.wav -r 16000 output.wav |
| 09:23.26 | Chani | mm, sox |
| 09:24.04 | Chani | for i in *.wav; do sox $i -r 16000 new/$i; done |
| 09:24.12 | Chani | assuming you have a folder called new already |
| 09:24.16 | Chani | (mkdir new) |
| 09:24.42 | Chani | if you wanna learn more, man bash |
| 09:24.43 | Chani | :) |
| 09:24.51 | qupada | should add at this point you'll need to put "$i" if your filenames have spaces |
| 09:25.02 | qupada | (and "otherfolder/$i" too |
| 09:27.49 | crazy_bus | Thanks you all for your help. It will save me alot of time |
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| 09:30.29 | canllaith | evening qupada |
| 09:31.11 | qupada | evening |
| 09:31.18 | qupada | enjoying the cold weather? |
| 09:31.40 | canllaith | wayyy too full of hot soup and toast. |
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| 10:20.06 | llp78 | I was getting an error message everytime i tried to empty rubbish bin - something about access denied - So i deleted the files from the bin using the shell - but now everytime i empty the bin i get "the file or folder does not exist!" |
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| 10:23.52 | PhilRod | llp78: probably some metadata file needs updating. Let me see |
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| 10:24.53 | PhilRod | llp78: I expect you just need to make sure ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ and ~/.local/share/Trash/info/ both exist |
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| 10:26.44 | llp78 | PhilRod they bot exist |
| 10:26.49 | llp78 | both exist |
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| 10:27.49 | PhilRod | llp78: try emptying the info/ directory |
| 10:28.16 | llp78 | i have 2 files in there |
| 10:28.32 | PhilRod | move them somewhere else |
| 10:28.34 | llp78 | ah and those are the filenames of the files i deleted |
| 10:28.44 | PhilRod | yes |
| 10:29.27 | llp78 | PhilRod: your the man - problem solved |
| 10:30.40 | PhilRod | np |
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| 10:45.07 | thiago | Chani: I have my swap on LVM as well |
| 10:45.22 | thiago | Chani: but only one of two swap partitions, since I need one out of LVM for hibernation |
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| 10:53.47 | brain0 | hi. whenever I insert a CD or an usb drive, I get this ugly popup window, asking me what it should do |
| 10:53.56 | brain0 | how do I disable all those popups altogether? |
| 10:54.06 | brain0 | I can't find it anywhere in the settings |
| 10:54.22 | Chani | thiago: I can do hibernation just fine |
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| 10:54.29 | pinotree | brain0: kde control center -> perhiperals -> media devicsed |
| 10:54.32 | pinotree | *devices |
| 10:54.42 | brain0 | I am there. |
| 10:54.48 | brain0 | now how do I disable them? |
| 10:55.11 | pinotree | there's an option in the advanced page |
| 10:55.29 | thiago | Chani: on the LVM swap? |
| 10:55.31 | brain0 | well, I unchecked that option, it has no effect |
| 10:55.41 | Chani | thiago: yup |
| 10:55.51 | thiago | Chani: interesting |
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| 10:56.07 | thiago | Chani: well, your installation has the root on LVM, so the initrd image must have loaded the modules and initialised LVM |
| 10:56.23 | Chani | yeah |
| 10:56.28 | thiago | mine doesn't (root is a regular partition), so by the time it tries to de-hibernate, LVM isn't active yet |
| 10:56.32 | Chani | ah |
| 10:56.40 | brain0 | pinotree: I unchecked that option, it has no effect |
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| 10:56.55 | pinotree | try restarting kde with that option disabled |
| 10:56.55 | thiago | Chani: my next installation will have root on LVM :-) |
| 10:57.06 | brain0 | omg, restarting |
| 10:57.12 | thiago | Chani: new laptop in 2-3 months |
| 10:57.24 | Chani | thiago: cool |
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| 11:00.15 | fatman | kde is a piece of shit desktop environment |
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| 11:00.43 | apokryphos | ... |
| 11:00.53 | apokryphos | fatman: please don't troll |
| 11:00.57 | fatman | Windows Vista is the best desktop you can get. |
| 11:01.06 | Chani | rofl |
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| 11:01.23 | Chani | weiird |
| 11:01.24 | pinotree | *yawn* |
| 11:01.35 | thiago | moin pino |
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| 11:01.39 | vbgunz | heh |
| 11:01.42 | blinx | hi |
| 11:01.49 | pinotree | hello thiago :) |
| 11:02.01 | blinx | what is missing: http://dpaste.com/11965/ |
| 11:02.02 | blinx | qt and kde headers are installed |
| 11:02.11 | blinx | I reinstalled them but nothing changed |
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| 11:02.50 | pinotree | blinx: qmake-qt4 --version |
| 11:02.51 | pinotree | errr |
| 11:02.56 | pinotree | blinx: qmake --version |
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| 11:03.07 | blinx | make version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.7) |
| 11:03.11 | blinx | +Q^ |
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| 11:03.35 | pinotree | blinx: moc -v |
| 11:03.42 | blinx | Qt Meta Object Compiler version 26 (Qt 3.3.7) |
| 11:04.03 | vbgunz | I am falling in love with rsync. I just backedup 65GB+ in about 50 min. did it just right :) |
| 11:04.23 | thiago | kaffeine is KDE3-only, right? |
| 11:04.38 | blinx | I guess |
| 11:04.45 | pinotree | thiago: the rewrite for kde4 is in a branch, so yes |
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| 11:05.09 | thiago | his paste indicates that the moc that was found was Qt4's |
| 11:05.20 | thiago | blinx: can you paste the output of your ./configure run? |
| 11:05.41 | blinx | it is the configure script of the svn |
| 11:05.53 | thiago | blinx: I don't want the script. I want the output it generated. |
| 11:05.58 | thiago | blinx: or, better yet, config.log |
| 11:06.01 | blinx | yes I know |
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| 11:07.20 | blinx | thiago: http://dpaste.com/11966/ |
| 11:07.47 | thiago | checking for Qt... libraries /usr/share/qt3/lib, headers /usr/share/qt3/include using -mt |
| 11:07.50 | thiago | checking for moc... /usr/share/qt4/bin/moc |
| 11:07.52 | pinotree | checking for moc... /usr/share/qt4/bin/moc |
| 11:07.52 | pinotree | checking for uic... /usr/share/qt4/bin/uic |
| 11:07.54 | thiago | yeah, that's the wrong moc |
| 11:08.07 | thiago | blinx: is /usr/share/qt4/bin in your $PATH? |
| 11:08.21 | blinx | benny@debian ~/multimedia % cd /usr/share/qt4/bin |
| 11:08.21 | blinx | benny@debian /usr/share/qt4/bin % ls |
| 11:08.21 | blinx | lrelease@ lupdate@ moc@ qmake@ rcc@ uic@ |
| 11:08.37 | blinx | or what you mean? |
| 11:08.47 | blinx | echo $PATH |
| 11:08.48 | blinx | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 11:09.07 | thiago | it isn't there... |
| 11:09.12 | thiago | I wonder how it was found :-) |
| 11:09.20 | blinx | how I should add it? |
| 11:09.33 | thiago | you don't |
| 11:09.39 | thiago | can you find all "moc" in your system? |
| 11:09.40 | pinotree | try setting QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3/ |
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| 11:10.06 | blinx | pinotree: and no reconfigure |
| 11:10.07 | blinx | ? |
| 11:10.15 | pinotree | and reconfigure, of course |
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| 11:22.37 | blinx | sorry the problem is still here |
| 11:23.10 | blinx | does anyone need the code? <- no one answered to this? |
| 11:23.39 | blinx | sorry wron channel |
| 11:23.43 | blinx | +g |
| 11:24.15 | blinx | pinotree: what can I try with my kaffeine? |
| 11:25.31 | thiago | blinx: can you find me all "moc" in your system? |
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| 11:26.13 | blinx | /etc/alternatives/moc |
| 11:27.07 | thiago | where does that point to? |
| 11:27.24 | blinx | usr/bin/moc |
| 11:27.28 | blinx | +/ |
| 11:27.41 | thiago | is that a symlink or an executable? |
| 11:27.47 | thiago | ls -l /usr/bin/moc |
| 11:28.01 | blinx | symlink |
| 11:28.07 | blinx | /etc/alternatives/moc |
| 11:28.13 | thiago | that can't be |
| 11:28.17 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.22 | blinx | /usr/share/qt4/bin/moc |
| 11:28.26 | blinx | /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/moc |
| 11:28.29 | thiago | you can't have /usr/bin/moc point to /etc/alternatives/moc and /etc/alternatives/moc point to /usr/bin/moc |
| 11:28.32 | thiago | which is it? |
| 11:28.49 | blinx | /etc/alternatives/moc -> /usr/bin/moc-qt3* |
| 11:29.05 | thiago | ok, good |
| 11:29.07 | blinx | moc@ moc-qt3* moc-qt4* |
| 11:29.08 | thiago | is QTDIR set? |
| 11:29.15 | blinx | are in /usr/bin |
| 11:29.29 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.33 | blinx | export QTDIR |
| 11:29.37 | blinx | and now? |
| 11:29.45 | thiago | is QMAKESPEC set? |
| 11:30.06 | blinx | no |
| 11:30.20 | thiago | ok |
| 11:30.27 | thiago | please paste your config.log to the pastebin |
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| 11:33.57 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/30100 |
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| 11:34.58 | thiago | blinx: it's truncated |
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| 11:35.41 | blinx | thiago: hm |
| 11:36.21 | artis | hello everyone |
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| 11:36.38 | blinx | http://files.builtin.de/config.log |
| 11:37.17 | blinx | thiago: you got it? |
| 11:37.27 | thiago | blinx: according to your config.log, it found Qt3's moc correctly now |
| 11:37.35 | blinx | ok |
| 11:37.44 | blinx | but make has still the same error |
| 11:37.50 | thiago | make clean |
| 11:38.00 | thiago | remove all .moc files |
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| 11:38.25 | blinx | it seems to work |
| 11:38.48 | jjlee | how do I run ksim? Is it an applet? |
| 11:38.52 | artis | how install fglrx on fedora 7 ???? |
| 11:38.59 | thiago | artis: #fedora |
| 11:39.04 | jjlee | I don't see any binaries the ksim ubuntu package installed. |
| 11:39.06 | blinx | artis: with the package manager? |
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| 11:39.48 | thiago | jjlee: then it's likely to be an applet |
| 11:39.58 | artis | is a test repository |
| 11:40.19 | thiago | what is? |
| 11:40.23 | jjlee | thiago: but it doesn't show up in the "Add Applet to Panel" right-click menu |
| 11:40.32 | artis | and not start correctly |
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| 11:42.03 | blinx | thx, it worked |
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| 11:42.24 | thiago | you're welcome |
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| 11:56.42 | blinx | thiago: hm |
| 11:56.47 | blinx | now I try again |
| 11:57.04 | blinx | but now QTDIR has the path /usr/share/qt4 |
| 11:57.06 | blinx | strange |
| 11:57.13 | thiago | unset it |
| 11:57.24 | blinx | to nothing? |
| 11:57.46 | thiago | probably not |
| 11:57.48 | thiago | set it to your Qt 3 |
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| 12:00.30 | brain0 | hm, restarting kde didn't help either |
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| 12:01.26 | thiago | it generally doesn't |
| 12:01.47 | brain0 | someone told me it would |
| 12:02.04 | brain0 | when I insert a cd or a pen drive, a popup pops up, which is annoying |
| 12:02.17 | brain0 | I can't find a way to disable these popups altogether |
| 12:02.46 | thiago | well, restarting doesn't turn that off |
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| 12:03.10 | brain0 | I change some option, but it wouldn't help |
| 12:03.21 | brain0 | so someone (I forgot who) said it may help to restart kde |
| 12:03.25 | brain0 | which it didn't |
| 12:03.36 | blinx | hm |
| 12:03.38 | blinx | now it works |
| 12:03.44 | blinx | but I have kaffeine in english |
| 12:03.49 | blinx | the i18n package is installed |
| 12:04.01 | thiago | blinx: good |
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| 12:05.07 | blinx | thiago: how I can get it in my language? |
| 12:05.11 | blinx | german.. |
| 12:05.30 | thiago | have you installed its l10n package? |
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| 12:06.16 | blinx | I have no l10 package in my repo |
| 12:06.18 | blinx | only i18 |
| 12:06.25 | brain0 | pinotree: did I talk to you earlier? |
| 12:06.28 | brain0 | or who was it? |
| 12:06.48 | pinotree | about what? (so maybe i remember) |
| 12:07.21 | brain0 | storage media and popups |
| 12:07.25 | blinx | thiago: kde-i18n-de is installed |
| 12:07.43 | brain0 | I was dumb enough to close the #kde channel window |
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| 12:08.52 | thiago | blinx: is the kaffeine l10n package for de installed? |
| 12:09.05 | thiago | blinx: l10n=i18n. It's the same. |
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| 12:10.20 | blinx | thiago: there is no kaffeine-l10 or i18n package |
| 12:11.37 | thiago | does kde-i18n-de include the kaffeine.mo file? |
| 12:11.37 | thiago | or kaffeine.gmo |
| 12:11.38 | blinx | I don't know |
| 12:11.38 | thiago | find out |
| 12:11.38 | blinx | usually it worked |
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| 12:11.38 | thiago | is your KDE in German? |
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| 12:11.38 | benJIman | kaffeine does on suse |
| 12:11.44 | benJIman | http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=kaffeine.mo |
| 12:11.56 | thiago | benJIman: he's just built his own Kaffeine, so no packages for it |
| 12:12.36 | blinx | benJIman: hey you have the same last and first name like me |
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| 12:43.18 | RichiH | how do i start an application without visible border? |
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| 12:43.38 | PF-Away | killall kwin |
| 12:43.55 | pinotree | ... |
| 12:44.15 | PF-Away | what? |
| 12:44.22 | PF-Away | it would rid it of the borders;) |
| 12:44.46 | milliams | Alt-F3 -> Advanced -> No Border |
| 12:44.47 | pinotree | yeah, and kwin as well, as side effect.... |
| 12:45.16 | PF-Away | hum, yeah |
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| 12:45.54 | RichiH | milliams: no, i want to start it without border and decoration, not set that afterwards |
| 12:46.23 | RichiH | ideally, it would be borderless, no decoration, always on top and still resizable :) |
| 12:46.32 | RichiH | (mplayer) |
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| 12:47.41 | TVSET | hi |
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| 12:48.17 | TVSET | my keyboard layout indicator works, but doesn't show any flags, despite the enabled option.. am I missing some package? |
| 12:49.00 | thiago | RichiH: kstart |
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| 12:52.11 | RichiH | thiago: thanks, i can start it above all others, that way. i can't find an option to remove borders, though |
| 12:53.11 | thiago | well, then set the kwin advanced options for that window |
| 12:53.22 | thiago | Alt+F3, Advanced, Special Window Options |
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| 12:54.19 | SSJ_GZ | RichiH: kstart --type Desktop will work, but I'm not sure what the "correct" solution ins. |
| 12:54.37 | SSJ_GZ | RichiH: I suggest experimenting with different settings. |
| 12:55.01 | RichiH | ok, i will play around with it |
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| 13:28.20 | alexshenoy | does anybody here use compiz in kde |
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| 13:28.41 | posterdati | hi |
| 13:28.42 | posterdati | please I've got a proble with kio_audiocd in fc7: it blocks, I've to kill it to make things works :( |
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| 13:29.39 | esperegu | the tooltips of the pannel appear under the open windows . Is that normal or do I need to change something? |
| 13:29.56 | alexshenoy | how do you mean |
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| 13:30.22 | esperegu | for example when I move the mouse over the 'K' of the start menu |
| 13:30.29 | esperegu | a tip pops out |
| 13:30.56 | esperegu | but I can't really see it because it appears below the programs I already have open |
| 13:31.17 | alexshenoy | oh.. which version of kde are you running? |
| 13:31.52 | esperegu | 3.5.6 |
| 13:31.55 | bram85 | esperegu: does the covering app have "always on top" property set? |
| 13:32.39 | esperegu | bram85: don't think so cause it is for all my windows |
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| 13:35.26 | esperegu | So I gues that is not normal? |
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| 13:41.32 | posterdati | peppe: ciao |
| 13:41.37 | bram85 | esperegu: guess not, it works fine for me |
| 13:41.38 | posterdati | peppe: usi fedora? |
| 13:42.11 | pinotree | posterdati: the language of the channel is english |
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| 13:42.14 | bram85 | esperegu: i seem to remember something that the drawing of those tooltips is done by the GPU... maybe it's a video driver problem? |
| 13:42.41 | posterdati | pinotree: I thought wash c/c++ |
| 13:42.44 | posterdati | pinotree: I thought was c/c++ |
| 13:42.54 | pinotree | #kde ? |
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| 13:44.31 | posterdati | peppe: string ans; cout << "Are you using fedora? "; cin >> ans; if(ans == "yes") cout << "Bravo, pure io!" << endl; exit(0L); |
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| 13:51.04 | esperegu | bram85: yeah. I have the ati drivers. may be. |
| 13:51.11 | esperegu | restarting then. |
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| 14:05.51 | peppe | posterdati: ??? |
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| 14:10.00 | CPrgmSwR2 | Good morning |
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| 14:11.40 | jachin | Good evening. :) |
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| 14:14.35 | TheGrudge | Hi, I want to develop a KDE application and started the manager in KDevelop. But I can only create "Simple KDE applications" with QT3. Is it possible to create KDE apps with QT4 yet or do I have to wait for KDE4? |
| 14:15.20 | jachin | Qt4 is already able to be used. :) |
| 14:15.20 | wolsni | TheGrudge: there are guides for writing KDE4 apps at techbase.kde.org |
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| 14:18.37 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: grit your teeth a little and try to write something from scratch :) it's what I did after looking at kdevelop and the Designer for a while |
| 14:18.47 | TheGrudge | ok I found "Programming Tutorial KDE 4"... but what I really want is to develop a KDE3 app with QT4 |
| 14:19.04 | wolsni | TheGrudge: KDE3 uses Qt3 |
| 14:19.08 | Ralesk | that doesn't make sense -- KDE3 is built on Qt3. |
| 14:19.23 | TheGrudge | OK so I have to use QT3 |
| 14:19.39 | Ralesk | aye, or write a kde4 app or a plain qt4 app |
| 14:20.19 | TheGrudge | damn... I have a book calles "C++ GUI Programming with QT4" ... so know I have to look at QT3 which is totally different I guess |
| 14:20.32 | tommy_ | hibread, all about Konsole 1.6.4 kde 3.5.4-11 what's the mechanism by which konsole gets the host and current directory to show in the titlebar and tab names, one host I'mm ssh'd into, they remain showing the local machine info instead |
| 14:20.32 | Ralesk | different, but not too much |
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| 14:20.43 | Ralesk | the API docs at trolltech are excellent stuff |
| 14:20.47 | Ralesk | very readable |
| 14:21.09 | TheGrudge | I like the designer4, much better as the old one |
| 14:21.23 | TheGrudge | ok so its QT3 for me... thanks |
| 14:21.27 | hibread | tommy_: stuffed if i know!! :) |
| 14:21.50 | tommy_ | sorry I know dmaned xchat auto-complete done something weird |
| 14:22.00 | Ralesk | as said, you could just make a qt4 app yet, without any kde extensions, and later extend it when kde4 becomes more widely/easily available :) |
| 14:22.08 | tommy_ | relax I'm not blaming you :) |
| 14:22.28 | tommy_ | I'm trying to decipher it myself or remember what I originally typed |
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| 14:22.55 | tommy_ | hi all ... |
| 14:23.08 | Ralesk | hi tommy_ |
| 14:23.14 | tommy_ | must've hit tab |
| 14:23.22 | Ralesk | :) |
| 14:23.41 | Ralesk | tab-completing "hi", are we? :))) |
| 14:24.17 | PhinnFort | hibread: |
| 14:24.41 | tommy_ | i think when your brain pauses you automatically hit tab for a clue |
| 14:24.47 | Ralesk | :D |
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| 14:25.12 | hibread | it happens a couple times a week on a good week |
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| 14:25.18 | Ralesk | I have found myself wondering before why some long word doesn't get tab-completed. Then it dawned on me |
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| 14:28.51 | TheGrudge | ok my problem is I have to write my thesis and I want to create a KDE application. KDE4 is not avaible yet so I guess it would be bad for me to write a KDE4 version of my program because I will not be able to give it to someone for testing purposes... |
| 14:29.33 | TheGrudge | but the docs on techbase for KDE4 are much better... ;( |
| 14:30.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: What do you plan to create? |
| 14:30.07 | wolsni | why can't KDE4 apps be tested? |
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| 14:30.42 | Ralesk | wolsni: for one, I can't make anything from KDE4 to work so far :P so that's quite hard when nothing from kde4 appears to work, to write and test kde4 apps :) |
| 14:30.59 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: and what language do you want/need to use? |
| 14:31.20 | TheGrudge | I want to write an application that scans a folder recursively and finds pictures where people have red eyes on it. The pictures should be copied to a backup folder and automatically corrected. |
| 14:31.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | I thought only c++ and python worked for kde4 |
| 14:31.34 | TheGrudge | I like Python a lot, but I guess I will choose C++ |
| 14:31.34 | thiago | wolsni: they can. |
| 14:32.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | doesn't kde already have a program for removing redeye |
| 14:32.33 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: python works excellent for kde3 |
| 14:32.35 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: I have not found any tool |
| 14:32.38 | bram85 | digikam |
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| 14:32.54 | TheGrudge | but digikam can only correct one picture manually |
| 14:33.12 | CPrgmSwR2 | Ah then his program should be real simple |
| 14:33.14 | TheGrudge | you have to select the eyes for every picture |
| 14:33.25 | CPrgmSwR2 | Oh |
| 14:33.29 | wolsni | CPrgmSwR2: i don't know of a tool that automatically FINDS the redeye |
| 14:33.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | is there one that does it for windows? |
| 14:33.58 | TheGrudge | lets say I have 4000 fotos and I want to find all with red eyes, this isn't possible in digikam is it? |
| 14:34.10 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: there are some for windows |
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| 14:34.27 | blahblahx | hi |
| 14:34.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh wow, what would be really cook is if TheGrudge added that feature on to digikam |
| 14:34.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | cook = cool |
| 14:34.48 | blahblahx | in kde 3.5.6 where are themes kept? |
| 14:35.31 | blahblahx | QT and Kwin themes is what i mean |
| 14:35.38 | TheGrudge | I'm not really good in C++ so I wanted to use Python, but I guess if I would implement it as a kipi-plugin or something like this I need to know C++ |
| 14:35.57 | blahblahx | ? |
| 14:36.19 | blahblahx | can someone tell me? |
| 14:36.25 | thiago | Qt, not QT |
| 14:36.31 | blahblahx | sry |
| 14:36.36 | blahblahx | but where are they kept? |
| 14:36.42 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: actually just make the program and digikcam can call it when it needs to use the feature |
| 14:36.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | but make the program commandline based |
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| 14:37.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | then buld your GUI app to use the commandline based |
| 14:37.21 | thiago | blahblahx: $KDEDIR/lib/kde3/plugins/styles |
| 14:37.34 | blahblahx | thanks |
| 14:37.43 | blahblahx | is that for kwin themes too? |
| 14:37.52 | TheGrudge | so maybe Python for the program, C++ for GUI stuff... hmm... |
| 14:38.00 | plb | hrm so kde4 got its new window deco? |
| 14:38.05 | thiago | plb: no |
| 14:38.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | Use python all the way around TheGrudge |
| 14:38.10 | thiago | plb: it's still Plastik or Plastique |
| 14:38.20 | plb | ah.. |
| 14:38.49 | plb | thiago: http://blog.ruphy.org/?p=9 |
| 14:38.52 | plb | was just reading that |
| 14:38.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | What I am saying is that a c++ program can call a python program in the background |
| 14:39.04 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: I found to packages for Python, pyQT and pyKDE, but there isn't any good docu for pyKDE on the net |
| 14:40.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | Do you understand classes and pointers? |
| 14:40.31 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: me? Yes... but I hate pointers... ;) |
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| 14:40.55 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: Will to program in c++ your going to have to use pointers |
| 14:41.42 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: yes |
| 14:42.00 | blahblahx | under /lib i don't have a kde3 |
| 14:42.10 | blahblahx | is it because i installed the core kde |
| 14:42.12 | blahblahx | ? |
| 14:42.35 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: Just so you know kde4 deallocates your data for you |
| 14:42.36 | thiago | blahblahx: $KDEDIR/lib/kde3 |
| 14:42.45 | thiago | blahblahx: where $KDEDIR is never empty |
| 14:42.57 | blahblahx | what do you mean? |
| 14:43.03 | Simeon_H | man they need like a ..... kde porn manager or something :P |
| 14:43.07 | blahblahx | do i type that in a terminal? |
| 14:43.20 | thiago | blahblahx: no, just replace it with the prefix of where KDE is installed |
| 14:43.35 | blahblahx | how do i know where it is installed? |
| 14:44.02 | thiago | you installed it |
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| 14:44.10 | thiago | not I |
| 14:44.13 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: ?? |
| 14:44.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | yes |
| 14:44.22 | blahblahx | yeah i installed it through synaptic |
| 14:44.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | lol a porn manager |
| 14:44.24 | thiago | but this is a good way: kde-config --prefix |
| 14:44.34 | blahblahx | but its not in /usr/bin |
| 14:44.35 | plb | kporn |
| 14:44.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am going to make that as my next project |
| 14:44.54 | CPrgmSwR2 | kock |
| 14:45.01 | plb | heh |
| 14:45.07 | thiago | blahblahx: well, no, it's not in bin. I never said anything about bin. |
| 14:45.35 | blahblahx | yeah but isnt that where programs usually get installed? |
| 14:45.48 | thiago | blahblahx: I meant the prefix, not the bindir |
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| 14:46.01 | thiago | blahblahx: if an executable is in /usr/bin, it's prefix is /usr |
| 14:46.07 | blahblahx | oh |
| 14:46.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: you allocate objects and add them to the parent window and kde is setup so it handles the dealocation for you |
| 14:46.24 | blahblahx | but isnt /usr also a directory |
| 14:47.06 | thiago | blahblahx: it is a directory, of course |
| 14:47.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | I cannot believe how nice kubuntu is |
| 14:47.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | I love Amarok |
| 14:47.52 | blahblahx | so i installed a kde core meta package |
| 14:48.10 | thiago | blahblahx: that tells me nothing. |
| 14:48.11 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: ok... but why are you asking? I know from my QT4 book that if you allocate objects and put them into layouts, they are automatically added to the parent widget. |
| 14:48.17 | thiago | blahblahx: just run: kde-config --prefix |
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| 14:48.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: if you know that then you should have no problem using c++ |
| 14:48.44 | blahblahx | it gives me /usr |
| 14:48.56 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: I don't have a Qt4 book |
| 14:48.57 | plb | so what's the best KDE based distro these days? |
| 14:48.58 | blahblahx | but i know that the kde stuff is in /usr/share/doc |
| 14:49.05 | thiago | plb: there isn't one. |
| 14:49.06 | blahblahx | because i asked at kubuntu |
| 14:49.13 | thiago | plb: that's a subjective opinion. |
| 14:49.21 | blahblahx | but there are a ton of folders |
| 14:49.21 | thiago | plb: therefore there can't be an objective comparison |
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| 14:49.36 | plb | meh |
| 14:49.45 | thiago | blahblahx: no, there's only one reply to kde-config --prefix |
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| 14:49.54 | blahblahx | i got /usr |
| 14:50.01 | TheGrudge | I have no problem using C++ for the GUI, but for the image processing. In Python it seems to be easier (PIL - Python Imaging Library) and I'm more familiar with the language |
| 14:50.05 | thiago | blahblahx: now add /lib/kde3/styles/plugin to that and you'll see your Qt styles |
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| 14:50.33 | blahblahx | thank you |
| 14:50.36 | blahblahx | i found it |
| 14:50.38 | Simeon_H | haahha the KDE porn manager |
| 14:50.41 | blahblahx | bi |
| 14:50.46 | Simeon_H | I gotta write that one down |
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| 14:51.06 | plb | I look forward to the day I see kporn manager on kde-apps.org |
| 14:51.48 | plb | complete with dildo mouse theme |
| 14:52.18 | TheGrudge | plb: yeah! |
| 14:52.20 | plb | which would look kinda strange bouncing up and down =\ |
| 14:53.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | I would be the first to download it |
| 14:53.33 | CPrgmSwR2 | I love PORN |
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| 14:54.19 | CPrgmSwR2 | got a little carried away |
| 14:54.28 | thiago | heh |
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| 14:55.05 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: re: pyKDE, yes the docs suck on the pyKDE site -- however all you need to remember is that the first argument is self, the rest is the same as you see in the kde apidocs |
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| 14:55.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | I really hope I can setup my kde4 developement environment this time |
| 14:55.17 | Ralesk | exceptions to that are listed in the pykde docs though |
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| 14:56.30 | Ralesk | and see, I never saw Qt/kde OR python code before october and whipped up a functional minimal livejournal client in an afternoon in pykde. And I sucked at OOP. |
| 14:56.36 | Ralesk | so like... it's easy :) |
| 14:56.44 | CPrgmSwR2 | lol there is kporn.net |
| 14:57.32 | TheGrudge | another issue would be speed: maybe python isn't fast enough although PIL is written in C... hmm I really don't know how to start: wrtite a command line app in python and create a seperate GUI or write a complete GUI app for KDE... I have to rething some things here... |
| 14:57.53 | fred87 | Or use pyqt |
| 14:57.55 | Ralesk | it's not as fast to load, but I think it runs just fine |
| 14:58.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | isn't python partly interpreted |
| 14:58.23 | Ralesk | so if you're familiar with python, do go with pykde, methinks |
| 14:58.27 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: I know you can be very quick in Python.... that's why I like it... you can even learn it in one day... |
| 14:58.35 | Ralesk | it's interpreted, compiled into bytecode on first run |
| 14:58.50 | Ralesk | and from then on, startup isn't hellishly slow |
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| 14:58.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh wow |
| 14:59.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | I hope my gamekit makes it |
| 14:59.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | kollagame that is |
| 15:00.01 | Ralesk | I wish there was a language that's 1) not just a portable assembler 2) has decent features 3) is not dead slow 4) and can be compiled into binary. |
| 15:00.44 | CPrgmSwR2 | Ralesk: I can't wait until GNU gets its java compiler working properly |
| 15:00.45 | Ralesk | because you either have pain in the arse stuff a GUI programmer shouldn't ever need to mess with -- or you have interpreted languages... :/ |
| 15:01.11 | Ralesk | with free Sun Java, what is the need for that? |
| 15:01.12 | CPrgmSwR2 | I think GNU java compiler is going to answer that one |
| 15:01.26 | CPrgmSwR2 | The same people that make gcc are making a java compiler |
| 15:01.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | gcj or something like that |
| 15:01.36 | TheGrudge | another problem: I know Eclipse with PyDEV and subversion (subclipse), but I don't know kdevelop and the SVN support still sucks I guess. So another point for python... hmm... |
| 15:01.40 | Ralesk | I do understand, but what's the point |
| 15:01.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | the point is it takes java code and converts it down to machine code |
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| 15:02.15 | CPrgmSwR2 | by passing the intrepretation phase |
| 15:02.25 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: I personally use Eric3, but svn by hand. And use pychecker to check hidden nasties (as there's no "strict" mode that I know of, like there is in Perl) |
| 15:02.32 | Ralesk | ahhhhhh |
| 15:02.33 | Ralesk | I see |
| 15:02.35 | Ralesk | cool |
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| 15:02.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | but right now gcj sucks |
| 15:03.05 | Ralesk | I'm not particularly surprised |
| 15:03.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | Alot of java programs will not compile |
| 15:03.34 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: would you like a peek at some PyKDE code? |
| 15:03.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | but if they can get gcj properly working I think it will uplift java above c++ |
| 15:03.59 | TheGrudge | maybe I leave it open which languages I use... I just tell them WHAT I'm going to do, not HOW ;-) |
| 15:04.07 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: if it is possible |
| 15:04.28 | CPrgmSwR2 | TheGrudge: what is this thesis for? |
| 15:04.38 | Ralesk | I think C and C++ should have LONG left the field :/ at least when it comes to programming that's not close to hardware and all |
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| 15:05.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | Ralesk: accept kde is built around c++ |
| 15:05.17 | TheGrudge | I don't know if thesis is the right word, its called "Diplomarbeit" in german... so I'm going to make my diplom... |
| 15:05.29 | TheGrudge | ... in computer science |
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| 15:05.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | Is this for your PHD? |
| 15:05.50 | Ralesk | CPrgmSwR2: I know it is... I know Qt is too... It's just still a Not Nice language imo |
| 15:06.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | c++ Extremely powerful but dangerious |
| 15:06.19 | Ralesk | 99% of the memory leak issues are because we GUI programmers need to keep track of that crap all the time. |
| 15:06.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | KDE imo made that more complicated |
| 15:06.51 | Ralesk | we have to reinvent the wheel with basic stuff every time too, because the language has no features really |
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| 15:07.09 | thiago | Ralesk: right, that's an invented statistic. |
| 15:07.13 | Ralesk | (c99 has some nice extensions actually, I have to admit) |
| 15:07.21 | TheGrudge | Python and network programming (twisted), so cool... |
| 15:07.21 | esperegu | how can I make sure that kdm automaticly selects kde as the windowmanager? |
| 15:07.28 | Ralesk | thiago: I just thought up a number |
| 15:07.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | esperegu: are you on gentoo? |
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| 15:07.44 | esperegu | no (k)ubuntu |
| 15:07.54 | giulio | ciao |
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| 15:08.19 | CPrgmSwR2 | there is an option to set it as the default manager but I cannot remember how |
| 15:08.33 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: http://ljklient.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ljklient/trunk/ -- anything that has kde in the name. |
| 15:08.54 | esperegu | the weird thing is that when I select 'KDE' after logout it goes to gnome |
| 15:09.12 | esperegu | and then when logging out of gnome and logging in again it goes to KDE |
| 15:09.28 | Ralesk | lol :D that's weird! |
| 15:09.48 | esperegu | hmm.. think I will just keep gdm as the manager |
| 15:09.56 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: thnx |
| 15:10.18 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: of course I might abuse some things in there, but hey, I just recently started :) |
| 15:10.27 | Ralesk | it works fine, nonetheless |
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| 15:14.31 | shevy | can kpdf be used to "reassemble" pdf documents? Like, fetch page 5,8 and 12 to become a new pdf file? |
| 15:14.39 | kusi | hello all! can somebody please give me a hint what to do if I get "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave. unknown protocol '' " |
| 15:14.55 | pinotree | shevy: no |
| 15:15.10 | shevy | ok |
| 15:16.20 | koala_man | shevy: I suppose you can print those pages to a new pdf file? |
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| 15:16.43 | shevy | print? |
| 15:16.55 | kusi | it seems as if I have an undefined protocol |
| 15:17.00 | pinotree | shevy: yeah |
| 15:17.17 | pinotree | file -> print -> print to file (PDF) and select a range of pages |
| 15:17.18 | koala_man | shevy: as in File, Print. and then choose the printer "Print to File (PDF)" |
| 15:17.31 | kusi | where are the protocols for io-slaves defined? |
| 15:17.43 | shevy | hmm for this you need a printer? |
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| 15:18.30 | shevy | the word "print" kinda confuses me :P |
| 15:18.49 | shevy | but i think i see what you mean |
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| 15:19.43 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: how can I connect with subversion to your repo?? All programs terminate... I try to use svn://ljklient.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ljklient |
| 15:20.21 | CPrgmSwR2 | there is a svn command |
| 15:20.23 | Ralesk | ah, no, viewvc is a web svn viewer, wait a moment |
| 15:20.26 | busfahrer | Hi. In KTorrent, when I set all my torrents to 'managed by QM', and max. downloads to 2. After one of those 2 torrents that are running at the start is finished, shouldn't one of the other ones (previously marked as 'queued') start downloading? |
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| 15:20.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | svn checkout svn://ljklient.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lijklient which will download everything in lijklient |
| 15:21.23 | Ralesk | http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=179682 |
| 15:21.27 | TheGrudge | CPrgmSwR2: tried that but eclipse, kdesvn and other tools hang up |
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| 15:21.33 | Ralesk | CPrgmSwR2: nup |
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| 15:22.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | nup?? LOL |
| 15:22.24 | kusi | if I get "io-slave..blabla...klauncher said: Unknown protocol", do I have an invalid protocol file in/usr/kde/3.5/share/services ? |
| 15:22.31 | Ralesk | svn co https://ljklient.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ljklient ljklient is the right path |
| 15:22.37 | PhilRod | kusi: if you get that error when hitting "back" in konqueror, it's a known bug |
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| 15:22.52 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: now it works, thank you |
| 15:23.01 | kusi | PhilRod: I get it when launching korganizer |
| 15:23.29 | Ralesk | kusi: hmm... what did you last do, before this started to happen? |
| 15:23.42 | kusi | PhilRod:maybe it's the same bug as in konq? I only got it after upgrading from 356 to 3.5.7 |
| 15:23.47 | Ralesk | reboot |
| 15:23.59 | Ralesk | that was in fact my guess that you did :) |
| 15:24.00 | kusi | Ralesk: already done |
| 15:24.21 | Ralesk | rebooting solved the issue for me :/ |
| 15:24.30 | PhilRod | kusi: possibly. You could try with a newly-created user. If the same problem occurs there, it's probably a bug |
| 15:24.38 | PhilRod | if not, it's probably a config issue |
| 15:24.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | Wow converting to kde4 is really slowing me down |
| 15:24.54 | kusi | PhilRod: good idea with the new user, I try |
| 15:25.24 | PhilRod | bbl |
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| 15:28.42 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: hmm I'm getting the following error: http://rafb.net/p/TiK6mF55.html But I have pyQT and pyKDE installed... |
| 15:29.32 | pinotree | TheGrudge: install konsole |
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| 15:29.55 | TheGrudge | it is installed |
| 15:31.34 | Ralesk | hmmm, that's odd |
| 15:31.39 | Ralesk | what distro? |
| 15:32.28 | TheGrudge | http://rafb.net/p/nu8ZSF92.html |
| 15:32.34 | TheGrudge | ArchLinux with kdemod |
| 15:32.49 | TheGrudge | http://kdemod.ath.cx/ |
| 15:33.14 | Ralesk | never heard of kdemod before tbh |
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| 15:33.58 | TheGrudge | its just KDE with eyecandy patches and some improvements for archlinux |
| 15:34.07 | violot | Is spellcheck for KDE supposed to be turned on by default? |
| 15:35.57 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: /opt/kde/lib/kde3/libkonsolepart.so so the file is there... but it isn't working... strange |
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| 15:37.42 | Ralesk | I'll see if I can cook up a way to disable the preview, as it totally messes with the gents too and two of my gentoo using friends have not the slightest idea why it doesn't work |
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| 15:38.40 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: are you talking to me?? |
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| 15:42.00 | Ralesque | I can't believe my ISP sucks this much :/ |
| 15:43.19 | Ralesque | TheGrudge: sorry about this |
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| 15:49.39 | fatman | KDE is a piece of shit. |
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| 15:49.56 | Skrot_ | fatman: ok :) |
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| 15:52.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | what was his problem |
| 15:53.38 | pinotree | that is a troll, and that was not the first time he comes trolling this way? |
| 15:53.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh |
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| 16:02.32 | Ralesk | TheGrudge: any luck yet? |
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| 16:05.53 | TheGrudge | Ralesk: no |
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| 16:06.36 | unity | before i upgrade kopete, i was wondering if there were any differences between kopete 3.5.6 and kopete 3.5.7, i didn't see any mention or changelog at kopete.kde.org |
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| 16:17.29 | ccc | unity: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php |
| 16:18.10 | unity | ccc: thanks |
| 16:18.29 | tommy_ | at the risk of appearing to be randomly mumbling re: the host@:pathname in the tabs in konsole and one host which retains the details of the host I am logging in from ? some bash env variable or something ? |
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| 16:27.54 | Rekisser__ | Hello. Help me plz. Is emergensy. How can i save file *.kwd (koffice - kword) for printing in system with windows? |
| 16:28.36 | kendhome | tommy_: i think there's some VT code that a shell can send that sets that |
| 16:29.12 | koala_man | Rekisser__: print to pdf maybe, and transfer the pdf |
| 16:29.36 | tommy_ | the remote box has no X is running fc1 |
| 16:29.54 | Rekisser__ | I found this solution at kde.org _but_ printing to pdf not working korrectly ^( |
| 16:29.56 | kendhome | (though there is an OSS tool for Win32 that you can get that does the same) |
| 16:30.06 | kendhome | Rekisser__: how so? |
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| 16:30.09 | thiago | Rekisser__: bad fonts? |
| 16:30.15 | kendhome | hey thiago |
| 16:30.42 | tommy_ | it's not a showstopper is just a nice feature to get working, could do without seeing the - Shell No. X bit to give more room for longer paths |
| 16:30.44 | Rekisser__ | MB smb knows what system need 4 pronting in pdf correctly? No, font is ok, but some letter is... hm.... missing |
| 16:30.49 | Rekisser__ | lot of them |
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| 16:30.54 | tommy_ | this is turning into a feature request :) |
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| 16:31.16 | thiago | Rekisser__: save to ODF and open on OOo |
| 16:31.32 | Rekisser__ | I have not OOo |
| 16:31.45 | Rekisser__ | And it is no way 2 install it :( |
| 16:31.52 | Rekisser__ | Only koffice |
| 16:31.59 | Rekisser__ | I'm in dep *... |
| 16:32.07 | thiago | change your font in the kwd then print to PDF |
| 16:32.09 | thiago | or print to PS |
| 16:32.24 | Rekisser__ | PS is readable under windows? |
| 16:32.31 | thiago | of course |
| 16:32.33 | Rekisser__ | PS writing ok |
| 16:32.39 | Rekisser__ | Oooooo.... |
| 16:32.40 | thiago | with a good PS reader like Ghostscript |
| 16:32.48 | Rekisser__ | TY! |
| 16:32.48 | thiago | or you can run ps2pdf or pstopdf |
| 16:33.01 | kendhome | heh |
| 16:33.04 | Rekisser__ | TY very mutch! |
| 16:33.08 | Rekisser__ | -t :) |
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| 16:37.15 | tommy_ | got it it was missing PROMPT_COMMAND in bash env |
| 16:37.18 | tommy_ | woohoo |
| 16:37.32 | kendhome | cool, some teacher wants to write a textbook on using tux paint in classrooms :) |
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| 16:39.35 | unity | qt4 uses freetype/libXft/cairo to render fonts? |
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| 16:40.47 | thiago | unity: yes/yes/no |
| 16:41.00 | thiago | cairo is not a font renderer |
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| 16:41.05 | kendhome | ugh |
| 16:41.15 | kendhome | cairo's API totally changed in 1 vs 2 |
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| 16:42.55 | CPrgmSwR2 | I never relized how cool amarok was |
| 16:43.04 | thiago | rediscover your music |
| 16:43.18 | kendhome | indeed |
| 16:43.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | Actually I feel like I am rediscovering winamp |
| 16:43.38 | kendhome | i have a friend who finally switched 100% to linux. he was raving about it. |
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| 16:43.38 | kendhome | 'yeah, i know, i've been using it for years' :) |
| 16:43.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | I thought juk was the main program |
| 16:44.00 | kendhome | i think amarok has kinda taken over :) |
| 16:44.13 | unity | thiago: the current version of gtk has fonts that look different from qt3, even while using gtk-engines-qt, and gtk fonts look better |
| 16:44.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | Yeah I think so too |
| 16:44.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | its so polished |
| 16:44.26 | unity | thiago: i'm trying to figure out what gtk is doing that qt3 isn't... |
| 16:44.29 | unity | thiago: or vice versa |
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| 16:45.11 | CPrgmSwR2 | Somehow GNome and KDE need to merge so apps developed for KDE run in Gnome and vice versa - I mean they actually run but they don't act/look right |
| 16:45.45 | kendhome | in other words, gnome apps need to be redesigned to be usable? ;) |
| 16:45.47 | unity | that's going to be a HUGE project... |
| 16:46.12 | unity | i wouldn't want to be the one to propose such a large and possibly impractical idea |
| 16:46.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | In otherwords gnome and kde need to use the same windows manager |
| 16:46.23 | kendhome | kwin! :) |
| 16:46.40 | kendhome | i tried compositing stuff & beryl |
| 16:46.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | and the same dialog boxes |
| 16:46.44 | unity | CPrgmSwR2: their differences go much farther than which window manager they use |
| 16:46.50 | kendhome | i switched it off because beryl wasn't nearly as useful as kwin |
| 16:47.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | unity: I think the layout of the GUI should remian the same because thats what makes GName unique |
| 16:47.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | GNome |
| 16:47.17 | kendhome | but since i'm currently doing j2me dev, i can use 100% linux on my work laptop, now! |
| 16:47.28 | kendhome | which is nice, since i commute 2x per week, 3hr each way, on a train |
| 16:47.36 | kendhome | so that's 12hrs i can work on tux paint, that i can't at home because of a newborn :) |
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| 16:47.45 | unity | CPrgmSwR2: theres also underlying libraries and desgin philosophies that differ |
| 16:48.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am aware of that completely |
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| 16:48.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | But the point is if gnome and kde would merge, just think of what could come out of it |
| 16:48.40 | tommy_ | knome |
| 16:48.47 | CPrgmSwR2 | gknome |
| 16:48.51 | unity | merging would take a while... |
| 16:48.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | thats fine |
| 16:48.58 | unity | a long long while |
| 16:49.06 | Jucato | er... connection* |
| 16:49.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | The other option is just to get GNome die out |
| 16:49.24 | unity | perhaps developement on either one of the DEs in that time would make more progress |
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| 16:49.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | Yeah |
| 16:49.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | And since kde uses classes - I think kde will win out |
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| 16:49.58 | |HxC| | I need some help getting my sound to work |
| 16:50.03 | unity | find out which apps make people prefer gnome and start porting them to kde using a perl script |
| 16:50.22 | CPrgmSwR2 | I can't think of a single one |
| 16:50.23 | thiago | unity: try Qt4 |
| 16:50.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | amarok would port me any day for a music player |
| 16:50.54 | CPrgmSwR2 | Kopete the same |
| 16:51.00 | unity | thiago: haha...i'm an idiot, i didn't even think of that |
| 16:51.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | imo pigeon looks fugly |
| 16:51.18 | unity | thiago: forgot that kde isn't the only thing that uses qt, i can just compile qt4 and a single qt4 app to test it out |
| 16:51.45 | Ralesk | aw damn, TheGrudge is gone... I'm done with my nopreview patch (as far as I know, it should work, anyway) |
| 16:51.59 | unity | but pigeon has a different feature set. bringing those features into kopete would be awesome |
| 16:52.01 | |HxC| | Can someone help me with my sound please? |
| 16:52.21 | unity | |HxC|: ask a real question regarding your sound |
| 16:52.38 | unity | |HxC|: eg. what is wrong, what have you tried, what is your goal? |
| 16:52.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | Wow the gnome chatroom has hardly any users in it |
| 16:52.56 | |HxC| | It doesn't work, lol. I need some steps to troubleshooting it. System sounds, nor media files (mp3) will play |
| 16:52.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | mabye kde is really winning out |
| 16:53.06 | CPrgmSwR2 | anyways logging out for now |
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| 16:55.28 | Jucato | (cgi:irc sucks... :( ) |
| 16:55.33 | |HxC| | i've tried checking my volume, and configuration, it's like something isn't checked when it should be. I just installed a day or two ago |
| 16:55.49 | unity | |HxC|: do you know if it is kernel-level? alsa/oss? using the correct module/drivers for your sound card? it could not be kde-related at all |
| 16:56.06 | |HxC| | I don't know, it's been a few years since I've used Linux |
| 16:56.23 | |HxC| | thats why I need help.. a few basic troubleshooting steps I could take. |
| 16:56.33 | |HxC| | i've checked arts, and yast |
| 16:57.01 | |HxC| | I don't know.. my sound works for win. but I just tried my sound on linux and it doesn't work at all, not even system notifications |
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| 16:59.03 | |HxC| | any suggestions? |
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| 17:00.11 | Ralesk | what kind of sound card is it? |
| 17:00.27 | |HxC| | factory mb sound |
| 17:00.31 | |HxC| | HP |
| 17:00.45 | |HxC| | hold on, I'll see what it says |
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| 17:01.27 | Ralesk | could try to aplay something into it and see if it makes any noise |
| 17:01.36 | |HxC| | how? |
| 17:02.04 | Ralesk | find a file, open a terminal (konsole in this case) and aplay file |
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| 17:02.53 | Ralesk | if it's in a bad format and the soundcard works, it'll make noise |
| 17:02.56 | Ralesk | I think anyway |
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| 17:03.55 | Ralesk | heheh, my python source code sounds like a the loading of a program from tape on the C64 :D |
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| 17:05.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | this is really neat |
| 17:05.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | kde4 actually works |
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| 17:06.50 | Ralesk | lucky git |
| 17:06.54 | Ralesk | it never did for me :P |
| 17:07.11 | Ralesk | CPrgmSwR2: what distro do you use btw? |
| 17:07.17 | CPrgmSwR2 | had to install kubuntu to get it to work |
| 17:07.39 | Ralesk | I have kub and all it did was segfault all the time |
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| 17:08.03 | Ralesk | the only thing that worked was kcrash and dolphin (which, without kio, couldn't do anything XD) |
| 17:08.19 | CPrgmSwR2 | I got the big plasma clock |
| 17:08.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | Konversation works |
| 17:09.02 | CPrgmSwR2 | the trashcan looks realy neat |
| 17:09.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | not sure if amarok will work |
| 17:09.13 | Sho_ | CPrgmSwR2: Konversation being a KDE3 app however |
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| 17:09.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | Sho_: I couldn't use it to program in was my problem |
| 17:09.49 | CPrgmSwR2 | Now that is fixed |
| 17:10.24 | Sho_ | Ralesk: because of the .so version |
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| 17:11.01 | Ralesk | and why is that one version away? |
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| 17:11.31 | Sho_ | Ralesk: Presumably because there were more ABI revisions than major KDE versions |
| 17:11.42 | Ralesk | hm |
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| 17:12.35 | Ralesk | gah, feisty still only has 3.80.3 |
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| 17:13.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | Ralesk: I didn't download through feisty |
| 17:13.23 | jriachi | in the desktop, can i change the icon size? |
| 17:13.38 | CPrgmSwR2 | I compiled kde4 from source on kubuntu |
| 17:13.38 | Sho_ | jriachi: KControl -> Appearance -> Icons -> Advanced -> Desktop |
| 17:13.48 | Ralesk | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main to the rescue, heh :3 |
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| 17:14.22 | whitenoyce | konqueror doesn't restore sessions like firefox does so i did it myself |
| 17:14.42 | whitenoyce | #!/bin/bash |
| 17:14.42 | whitenoyce | cp ~/.konq-savedurls "/tmp/konq-savedurls`date`" |
| 17:14.42 | whitenoyce | kProcess=`grep konqueror <(dcop)` |
| 17:14.42 | whitenoyce | dcop $kProcess| |
| 17:14.42 | whitenoyce | grep widget| |
| 17:14.44 | benJIman | whitenoyce: you can save with settings -> save view profile |
| 17:14.44 | whitenoyce | xargs -l1 -i echo dcop $kProcess {} url| |
| 17:14.46 | whitenoyce | sh > ~/.konq-savedurls |
| 17:14.50 | whitenoyce | cron'ed it out to every minute |
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| 17:15.20 | jriachi | thanks Sho_ :) |
| 17:15.38 | jriachi | may i suggest changing the desktop icon size in the desktop configuration? :) |
| 17:16.31 | Sho_ | jriachi: Seems smarter to centralize the iconography settings |
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| 17:17.52 | jriachi | Sho_: yes.. but since i can choose if i want to preview files, view hidden files, view devices... i think it would also be nice to be able to choose the size :) |
| 17:18.25 | Sho_ | jriachi: Those are behavioral rather than appearance settings, though |
| 17:19.00 | Sho_ | The KDE 4 desktop won't follow the the-desktop-plane-is-a-file-manager paradigm anyway, so the problem solves itself |
| 17:19.08 | jriachi | :) |
| 17:19.57 | jriachi | i am really looking forward to use kde4 |
| 17:20.08 | feindbild | hi ^^ |
| 17:20.19 | jriachi | :) |
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| 17:21.06 | feindbild | I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/556558 when inserting a removable media .... does anybody know of documentation on how to fix this? |
| 17:21.35 | Sho_ | feindbild: Sounds like something #yourdistro would screw up and consequently know about |
| 17:21.38 | feindbild | * inserting and choosing to open folder |
| 17:21.45 | feindbild | Sho_: ^^ |
| 17:22.53 | jriachi | btw, where can i read about the kde desktop new paradigm ? |
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| 17:24.23 | Sho_ | jriachi: http://plasma.kde.org/ |
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| 17:31.18 | Ralesk | CPrgmSwR2: heh, segmentation fault galore still... |
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| 17:32.25 | Ralesk | I can't be arsed to compile it myself, to be honest |
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| 17:42.11 | A-L-A-R-M | hello i use debian etch with kde. my problem is following: when i check on a mp3 the meta info i just get some symbols on the artists and title field. the text is written in greek. i have allready iso and utf8 for greek in my locales, but it could be something with cp windows standard. what could i check ? |
| 17:42.57 | Sho_ | A-L-A-R-M: Maybe the font you're using doesn't have the required characters? |
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| 17:43.39 | A-L-A-R-M | deja vu has greek |
| 17:43.44 | A-L-A-R-M | i use it in other applications |
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| 17:44.01 | A-L-A-R-M | but i tried also arial as also sans that i mainly use for my cp subtitles |
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| 18:22.16 | colkhis | . |
| 18:22.49 | colkhis | Do you know any skype/ekiga like programs native to kde? |
| 18:22.59 | annma_ | native? |
| 18:23.06 | colkhis | qt based |
| 18:23.13 | annma | ah OpenWengo |
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| 18:23.49 | colkhis | annma: does OpenWengo support video conferencing? |
| 18:24.25 | annma | I think so |
| 18:24.31 | annma | google and look |
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| 18:25.41 | Jefis | Is there any way to have video conference in linux? |
| 18:26.24 | Jefis | My webcam i think is supported by video4linux |
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| 18:33.29 | colkhis | jefis: you can try ekiga |
| 18:34.04 | Jejem | colkhis: skype and ekiga aren't the same thing... |
| 18:35.04 | annma | and there's no native KDE VoIP |
| 18:35.14 | annma | KDE doe snot provide services |
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| 18:35.58 | Jejem | hi annma :) |
| 18:37.05 | annma | hi Jejem |
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| 18:37.12 | annma | big thunderstorm here |
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| 18:41.30 | unity | kopete has a skype wrapper |
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| 18:46.31 | Jefis | I hope kopete would implement video conferencing |
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| 18:46.38 | Jefis | Would be great |
| 18:47.13 | Jejem | i hope one day kopete would implement toaster and such things :) |
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| 18:47.40 | unity | like to make breakfast? |
| 18:47.54 | unity | cd /usr/src/breakfast && make |
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| 18:48.43 | colkhis | at present, if I want to make a video call what options do i have in linux? |
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| 18:49.19 | Jejem | ekiga / skype / kopete / ... |
| 18:50.23 | colkhis | but skype video is not supported in linux yet, right? |
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| 18:56.06 | thiago | colkhis: no, skype doesn't make a Linux client with that support. |
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| 19:11.38 | Jucato | annma: funny post. :) |
| 19:12.14 | Jejem | as usual :) |
| 19:12.58 | MinceR | where? |
| 19:13.12 | thiago | MinceR: planet |
| 19:13.34 | annma | ;) I keep mis typing this evening |
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| 19:14.05 | MinceR | :D |
| 19:14.10 | Lucious | can anyone tell me how to setup a new KDM them from inside KDE? |
| 19:14.46 | MinceR | install the kdm theme manager kcontrol applet |
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| 19:19.12 | Jucato | I am so lagging in IRC!! cgi:irc sucks.... :I( |
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| 19:20.06 | Mek | but when that and no irc at all are your only options, it's pretty nice :P |
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| 19:20.56 | micr0c0sm | are we allowed to ask questions about kde svn builds here? |
| 19:21.10 | thiago | trunk or 3.5? |
| 19:21.46 | micr0c0sm | trunk |
| 19:21.50 | micr0c0sm | mainly my lack of icons on everything... |
| 19:21.56 | thiago | oh, that's intentional |
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| 19:22.12 | micr0c0sm | i thought it pulls in all the oxygen icons |
| 19:22.15 | Lucious | what is the name of the applet to configure KDM themes again? |
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| 19:22.31 | thiago | micr0c0sm: yes, it does. |
| 19:22.43 | thiago | micr0c0sm: but Oxygen is not complete and not all applications are ported to the icon naming scheme |
| 19:22.50 | micr0c0sm | ohhh |
| 19:23.01 | Jucato | Lucious: kdmtheme |
| 19:23.08 | micr0c0sm | so i should just download and install an older icon theme so i get icons on my toolbars and such |
| 19:23.25 | micr0c0sm | i never thought they would make these apps feel sooo incomplete but they do! |
| 19:23.34 | Mek | you should just not be wanting to use it with little effort :P |
| 19:23.44 | thiago | micr0c0sm: no, you should either fix the applications that are using the wrong icons, or you should make the icons that are missing. |
| 19:24.00 | micr0c0sm | of course |
| 19:24.07 | micr0c0sm | but no one would like my icons tbh |
| 19:24.12 | thiago | heh |
| 19:24.20 | thiago | I understand |
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| 19:24.48 | micr0c0sm | fixing the applications to use the new icons i could do....right after i learned how to program in c++ and all the qt apis |
| 19:25.02 | micr0c0sm | which, by the time I would understand them, kde4.2 would probably be out |
| 19:25.09 | thiago | micr0c0sm: it's just a matter of changing one string |
| 19:25.11 | thiago | it's easy to change icons |
| 19:25.31 | thiago | if it says KIcon("foo") and the new icon is called "bar-baz", just change that. |
| 19:25.46 | micr0c0sm | so then how come dolphin / konqueror hasn't done that yet? not a priority? I am sure the devs of those apps would be faster at finding things to change then me |
| 19:25.54 | coolbreeze | well, you'd need to understand the icon naming scheme |
| 19:25.54 | micr0c0sm | and somehow, I would be introducing bugs into the code |
| 19:26.08 | thiago | micr0c0sm: maybe the icon names are correct, but the new icons aren't ready. |
| 19:26.16 | micr0c0sm | not to mention I don't know how to even use a scm or even generate a patch for that matter |
| 19:26.20 | thiago | if the icons don't exist, the only solution is to create them. |
| 19:26.28 | micr0c0sm | trye |
| 19:26.29 | micr0c0sm | true |
| 19:26.30 | thiago | micr0c0sm: oh, that last item is easy: type svn diff |
| 19:26.59 | micr0c0sm | so i checkout the tree by doing 'svn co svnaddresshere' |
| 19:27.07 | micr0c0sm | then edit a file in my favorite text editor |
| 19:27.13 | thiago | yeah |
| 19:27.13 | micr0c0sm | then go back to the root of my tree |
| 19:27.18 | micr0c0sm | and type 'svn diff'? |
| 19:27.22 | thiago | yep, that's it |
| 19:27.26 | thiago | the output is your patch |
| 19:27.30 | micr0c0sm | nice |
| 19:28.00 | micr0c0sm | then i make a changelog or a seperate file saying 'this change fixes the forward icon in konqueror for oxygen' and my name and email right? |
| 19:28.26 | thiago | more or less. No changelog is needed, in most modules. |
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| 19:28.38 | micr0c0sm | then i make an account on kde's bugtracker and just upload the diff file? |
| 19:28.47 | micr0c0sm | and hopefully someone makes it official? |
| 19:28.49 | thiago | post to the mailing list |
| 19:29.26 | micr0c0sm | hmm so i should install an email app - i currently just use gmail |
| 19:29.44 | thiago | gmail can send emails, as far as I know... :-) |
| 19:30.10 | micr0c0sm | i just need to email my patch as a regular email to the mailing list and everyone gets it? |
| 19:30.16 | micr0c0sm | nice |
| 19:30.18 | thiago | yes |
| 19:30.19 | coolbreeze | might want to read http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/icon-naming-spec as well |
| 19:30.27 | thiago | you have to describe what your patch does, etc., but that's it |
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| 19:31.15 | coolbreeze | not what the oxygen is doing about icon names that aren't in the spec |
| 19:31.26 | coolbreeze | oxygen team, even |
| 19:31.44 | micr0c0sm | you guys are good |
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| 19:32.08 | micr0c0sm | i come in here asking for a quick hack as and end user and yall convince me to contribute |
| 19:32.18 | micr0c0sm | even though i have never used kde before |
| 19:33.13 | micr0c0sm | i still thing its a configuration error on my end why i don't see icons, but i will check soon |
| 19:33.21 | sdac | hi, i installed a couple of widgets in SuperKaramba... then the program crashed.. now when i open the prog none of the widgets show up in the list , however they are indicated as installed in the download menu... how can i completely reset superkaramba widgets ? |
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| 19:33.46 | sdac | i tried uninsdtall then install but the widgets still have a green tick |
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| 19:37.55 | vbgunz | when it comes to rsync and trying to backup the entire system, there are some things I shouldn't backup, correct? e.g., /proc ? |
| 19:38.57 | thiago | well, you shouldn't backup virtual files, obviously |
| 19:39.05 | vbgunz | /tmp, etc? |
| 19:39.19 | thiago | that depends |
| 19:39.23 | micr0c0sm | ahha! that is the problem! |
| 19:39.24 | vbgunz | what are virtual files? I mean those are in /proc, right? |
| 19:39.30 | thiago | /tmp might be useful to have backed up |
| 19:39.30 | micr0c0sm | kdecontrol is empty! |
| 19:39.44 | thiago | vbgunz: /proc and /sys, on some systems /dev as well. |
| 19:39.47 | thiago | micr0c0sm: that is not a problem. |
| 19:39.52 | thiago | micr0c0sm: that's also intentional |
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| 19:40.12 | micr0c0sm | oh, i thought i just didnt install it |
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| 19:40.28 | thiago | kcontrol is empty intentionally. |
| 19:40.34 | vbgunz | hmm |
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| 19:44.52 | micr0c0sm | maybe not having kdeartwork or kdegraphics might have something to do with it too... |
| 19:45.12 | micr0c0sm | i really had no idea a lack of icons would be this disturbing really |
| 19:45.36 | micr0c0sm | now I can appreciate the efforts of the oxygen team a bit more |
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| 19:48.04 | CPrgmSwR2 | I started kollagame over as a kde4 finally |
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| 19:55.08 | Mirrakor | Which app should I use to import those files? KVocTrainer or KWordQuiz or doesn't it matter anyway? |
| 19:55.50 | CPrgmSwR2 | for my kollagame, What should I new the development app where you design games? |
| 19:55.57 | CPrgmSwR2 | new = name |
| 19:56.20 | antiroach | is there no longer an add/remove applications thing in kde 3.5.6? |
| 19:56.29 | pinotree | antiroach: ? |
| 19:56.47 | pinotree | Mirrakor: "those files" - which? |
| 19:57.02 | coolbreeze | antiroach: that's distro specific. ask in #yourdistro |
| 19:57.05 | antiroach | when i was on dapper kde 3.5.x something |
| 19:57.09 | antiroach | oh ok |
| 19:57.15 | Mirrakor | pinotree: the kvtml files |
| 19:57.50 | pinotree | Mirrakor: yep, kwordquiz and kvoctrain are the two |
| 19:58.17 | pinotree | i suggest you to jump in #kde-edu and ask pete, jpwhinting or fregl |
| 19:58.36 | Mirrakor | pinotree: yeah, but which one, is there any difference or a disadvantage if I use the one or the other (like VocTrainer supports Lession afaik) |
| 19:58.38 | Mirrakor | kay |
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| 20:20.40 | Lucious | How can I make my kde taskbar look more like an OS X one ? |
| 20:21.03 | Mirrakor | Lucious: www.kde-look.org |
| 20:21.07 | Mirrakor | get a nice Theme |
| 20:21.18 | Lucious | see thats the thing i dont want a theme just the bar :P |
| 20:21.22 | eNTi | Lucious: baghira is what you are looking for |
| 20:21.35 | eNTi | ah |
| 20:21.38 | eNTi | :) |
| 20:22.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | What do you think, should my game development kit use SDL and beable to resize the screen properly or just use straight kde4 - the development application is going to be all in kde4 though |
| 20:22.35 | CPrgmSwR2 | its the game part I am refering too |
| 20:23.12 | eNTi | Lucious: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=62 |
| 20:25.02 | Mirrakor | Anyone knows LingoMAXX? |
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| 20:29.46 | frenchy | does anyone here use keep for backups? |
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| 20:47.44 | usr_rob | i have tested kde now for the first time, i'm used to gnome & fluxbox, have i nifty question; how to i get rid of the annoying system bell sound in konsole? |
| 20:48.32 | pinotree | usr_rob: settings -> bell -> ... |
| 20:48.46 | pinotree | the ... means that there are some choices |
| 20:49.10 | usr_rob | pinotree: thx, i feel dumb, hehe |
| 20:49.30 | pinotree | that submenu as even the bell icon ;) |
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| 20:49.55 | usr_rob | i use swedish layout so it did say Alarm, may have missed it |
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| 20:50.43 | Alarm | i know |
| 20:50.51 | pinotree | lol! |
| 20:51.21 | Alarm | the notify bell on xchat also did attract my attention here... |
| 20:52.21 | Alarm | swedish... sweden , such a nice country... |
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| 21:02.19 | Alarm | hello, i got a strange key action. when i press the delete button on windows, or inside directories the dialog box appears to delete that file. when i do that on files on my desktop. nothing happens at all. nor i get the prompt to delete the file or something, like the key wouldnt work (on debian etch kde) |
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| 21:10.43 | Uranellus | hey, I need to manually reset my dimap cache .. (the "button" in the menu is not an option since kmail crashes when I try that) |
| 21:11.02 | thiago | Uranellus: right-click, Troubleshoot IMAP Problems |
| 21:13.12 | Uranellus | thiago: cool .. seems to work (is redownloading mails now :) ) |
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| 21:18.16 | MetaBookfoziS | hi all, i want to translate an application, but i don't know what is the other included files like .gmo and Makefile.* s. I think thats created from my translated .po file, but i dunno how, can anybody tell me, or tell me a howto that get me know , what is that wiles? |
| 21:18.18 | MetaBookfoziS | f |
| 21:18.54 | thiago | just put the file you've translated in the l10n package in KDE |
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| 21:19.23 | MetaBookfoziS | it's a simple app from kde-apps.org |
| 21:19.31 | MetaBookfoziS | it isn't in packages |
| 21:20.22 | MetaBookfoziS | But i'm intrested in that too, to translate apps via launchpad or what, but i also don'T know how can i do that:) |
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| 21:20.38 | thiago | launchpad isn't compatible |
| 21:22.24 | coolbreeze | MetaBookfoziS: http://l10n.kde.org/ might help in your efforts |
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| 21:22.49 | MetaBookfoziS | thank you |
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| 21:24.16 | coded1 | I have a samsung 955DF CRT, and it is really poorly configured, it has many options and one is focus, which uses Horiz & Vert focus, vert does very little but horiz works very well for half the screen (Horz==0 left is sharp, horiz == 100 right is) does anyone have any experience with this monitor or like ones? |
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| 21:28.41 | bobwhoops | Hi. In konqueror, how can I have it display text files in the browser? I don't want to save it or open it in kwrite... |
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| 21:34.58 | koala_man | bobwhoops: find it in the File Associations thing in the settings, see the Embedded tab |
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| 21:42.49 | amro | any idea why kded might die? |
| 21:43.03 | thiago | amro: because it crashed. |
| 21:43.19 | amro | thiago: any idea what might cause it =)? |
| 21:43.58 | thiago | bugs in the code |
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| 21:58.27 | imagine | I'm lookig for a svg artist |
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| 22:00.33 | Tm_T | I wonder if #kde-artists would be better channel for that, though you would get more life there when it's bright day in Europe |
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| 22:01.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | What package is htsearch in |
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| 22:03.18 | bram85 | CPrgmSwR2: htdig |
| 22:03.40 | CPrgmSwR2 | thnx |
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| 22:07.23 | linuxlost | I am running Fedora 7 and cannot get my multiple monitors to work. Any help? |
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| 22:09.13 | Alarm | hello, i got a strange key action. when i press the delete button on windows, or inside directories the dialog box appears to delete that file. when i do that on files on my desktop. nothing happens at all. nor i get the prompt to delete the file or something, like the key wouldnt work (on debian etch kde) |
| 22:09.41 | Tm_T | linuxlost: isn't that #fedora issue? |
| 22:09.49 | bram85 | linuxlost: please ask at your distro |
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| 22:20.48 | animesh | u might have configured that key as a shortcut to somethin else by mistake |
| 22:20.54 | animesh | so that is overridin the standard action |
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| 22:22.26 | ypsila | moin |
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| 22:31.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | Hi, I am on kubuntu and my kdevelop assistance search is not working |
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| 22:33.32 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am thinking about going back to gentoo because I never relized I had my kde environment configured right |
| 22:34.32 | ypsila | CPrgmSwR2: gentoo? |
| 22:34.53 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am having all sorts of problems now with kubuntu |
| 22:34.55 | ypsila | #kubuntu could not help you? |
| 22:35.10 | Jejem | CPrgmSwR2: KDE is KDE |
| 22:35.10 | CPrgmSwR2 | Like I am getting a mutex error for one |
| 22:35.18 | Jejem | on Kubuntu or on Gentoo, it's still KDE |
| 22:35.23 | ypsila | CPrgmSwR2: ever tried sidux? |
| 22:35.29 | CPrgmSwR2 | what is that |
| 22:35.41 | ypsila | google for it, debian and kde |
| 22:35.48 | CPrgmSwR2 | oh |
| 22:35.52 | ypsila | ;-) |
| 22:35.58 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am just tring to get a developement environment for kde |
| 22:36.03 | CPrgmSwR2 | so I can port my game to kde4 |
| 22:36.12 | CPrgmSwR2 | the most frustrated and difficult thing to do in the world |
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| 22:47.29 | doctorwhite | im trying to compile ksystemlog on 64bit and it complains it cant find kde libs...i have kdelibs-devel installed. any ideas? |
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| 23:09.04 | expose | When is it planned for konqi to have http pipelining? |
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| 23:17.57 | MrGrim- | hmm, excuse the ignorance, but what is http pipelining? |
| 23:20.00 | Ardonik | MrGrim: I think it's using the same socket over and over for multiple requests to the same server. |
| 23:20.07 | Ardonik | If I'm wrong, consult the English Wikipedia. |
| 23:20.19 | coolbreeze | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining |
| 23:20.32 | MrGrim | ya I just found that :) |
| 23:20.51 | MrGrim | explains how it is different from stay alive as well |
| 23:21.53 | MrGrim | s/stay alive/keep alive |
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| 23:29.16 | MrGrim | http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030124065007237 |
| 23:29.25 | MrGrim | has very good arguments for or against pipelining |
| 23:29.40 | MrGrim | turns out privoxy doesn't support it, and it doesn't look like it ever will as the authors do not see the need for it |
| 23:29.59 | MrGrim | which means I won't be using it for some time :) |
| 23:30.00 | MrGrim | a good read tho |
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| 23:32.02 | Dr_willis | ive used privoxy befor. Not lately however. |
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| 23:33.59 | MrGrim | Dr_willis: it pretty much works as advertised.. I usually forget I am running it until I go to work and view a page and think to myself "where the hell did all these ads come from?" |
| 23:34.24 | Dr_willis | MrGrim, BINGO! :0 |
| 23:34.37 | Dr_willis | with the adblock and other extensions for firefox. I get similer results however. |
| 23:35.04 | Dr_willis | I do recall a few sites getting broken by some of these anti-ad utilities. But not many. |
| 23:37.12 | Tm_T | mooh |
| 23:37.28 | Tm_T | Konqueror & builtin ad filter <3 |
| 23:38.02 | padde | works also well, except for flash :( |
| 23:38.16 | Tm_T | hmm |
| 23:38.23 | Tm_T | what about flash? |
| 23:38.45 | padde | can't filter it, because don't know the url ;) |
| 23:39.12 | Tm_T | err, how you don't know it? |
| 23:39.22 | Tm_T | just look page sources |
| 23:39.23 | Dr_willis | Flash - such an annoyance.. and so handy... |
| 23:39.24 | Dr_willis | heh |
| 23:39.35 | wolsni | padde: you can set konqueror to display a "load plugin" button instead of just displaying the plugin |
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| 23:40.18 | padde | wolsni: perhaps i'll do that... |
| 23:40.55 | CPrgmSwR2 | hey wolsni how are you tonight |
| 23:41.06 | alsuren | I think the best thing about konq is the "stop animations" |
| 23:41.13 | wolsni | what's up CPrgmSwR2? |
| 23:41.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | Just got finished configure kubuntu with kde4 |
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| 23:41.40 | alsuren | because it doesn't make you feel guilty for blocking all adverts, but it lets you ignore the really annoying gif adverts |
| 23:41.40 | wolsni | sounds like a rich, full day |
| 23:41.43 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its been a nightmare trying to figure all this kde4 programming out |
| 23:41.55 | alsuren | shame it doesn't send "stop" to flash as well |
| 23:42.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | wolsni: But converting to kubuntu is going to save me massive amouts of time |
| 23:42.16 | wolsni | can't you right click on flash animations and stop them? |
| 23:42.58 | alsuren | wolsni: yeah, but it would be nice to do all moving things in one hit |
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| 23:45.31 | Dr_willis | theres a no-flash firefox extension that helps tame flash overload.. :) |
| 23:45.42 | Dr_willis | but on some sites it gets annoying. Like Homestarrunner.com |
| 23:46.02 | wolsni | doesn't flashblock have a whitelist? |
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| 23:46.18 | Dr_willis | hmm it may have now. Not noticed it. |
| 23:46.27 | alsuren | there's always the konq hack $ while sleep 1 killall nspluginviewer |
| 23:46.27 | Dr_willis | not been using it much lately. |
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| 23:49.16 | maver1ck | hello |
| 23:49.17 | maver1ck | does anybody know if kde automount is connected with xauth cookies ? |
| 23:49.17 | maver1ck | or X session ? |
| 23:49.40 | Dr_willis | maver1ck, not sure what you mean. |
| 23:50.30 | maver1ck | I've got a problem with kde automount |
| 23:50.44 | *** join/#kde Zangetsu (n=Zangetsu@cpe-76-170-158-60.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:50.52 | maver1ck | It works fine when I'm on X server but stop working when using Xgl |
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| 23:52.19 | maver1ck | I tried to find any advice using google but nothing found |
| 23:52.29 | bobwhoops | This may be a stupid question, but how do I make a new directory in konqueror? I really can't find a way to do it |
| 23:52.48 | Dr_willis | its in the right click menus i thought |
| 23:52.57 | jriachi | bobwhoops: rightclick -> new folder |
| 23:53.08 | Dr_willis | He dont want a folder! he wants a Directory! :) |
| 23:53.13 | bobwhoops | Dr_willis jriachi: It doesn't show up for me |
| 23:53.16 | Dr_willis | Odd. |
| 23:53.17 | alsuren | maver1ck: I think auto-munt is handled differently by each distribution |
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| 23:53.25 | jriachi | (ah, the good old times were it said new Directory...) |
| 23:53.46 | Dr_willis | jriachi, ever have to explain to someone how come its 'cd' not 'cf' :) |
| 23:53.56 | bobwhoops | I've only installed very minimal kde support. Maybe that's it? |
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| 23:55.05 | jriachi | Dr_willis: here people think that they are 'magical commands'. if i told them to write "abracadabra-leg-of-goat + name_of_folder", i guess it would be the same for them |
| 23:55.37 | jriachi | :p |
| 23:56.39 | benklop | heh |
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| 23:57.42 | bobwhoops | Any one have guesses as to why it's not showing up for me? |
| 23:58.11 | jriachi | bobwhoops: no idea |
| 23:58.14 | alsuren | maver1ck: which distro? |
| 23:59.04 | jriachi | bobwhoops: try pressing F10 |
