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| 00:01.48 | Mahr | Evening all |
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| 00:02.43 | jamaur | hey all, this might be a silly question, but I can't seem to get kontact to show up in the systray--how can I do it? |
| 00:02.55 | Mahr | This is my first time running a Linux with AIGLX and Beryl etc (fully working) and I've already decided to uninstall my precious Windows Vista lol. |
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| 00:03.53 | Mahr | jamaur; isn't that an applet or something? |
| 00:03.53 | wolsni | jamaur: kontact doesn't have a tray icon, some of its components do (kmail, korganizer, etc) |
| 00:04.21 | wolsni | jamaur: you can force any program (even non-KDE ones) into the system tray with a program called kdocker |
| 00:04.30 | jamaur | ah, sorry, I meant kmail |
| 00:04.47 | jamaur | I used to run kontact, and the kmail systray icon would appear |
| 00:04.51 | wolsni | jamaur: ah, there's a setting for that under miscellaneous or something in the settings dialog |
| 00:05.19 | wolsni | settings->configure KMail; Appearance->System Tray |
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| 00:05.31 | wolsni | then check 'enable system tray icon' |
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| 00:06.04 | jamaur | wolsni, thanks it was in Appearance --> system tray |
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| 00:06.30 | Mahr | This is why I wan't to re-roll Linux instead of Windows. Most of the Linux users take their time to help us newbs. |
| 00:06.37 | Lupino | When I run kdcop I can't find anything matching "tray" or "panel". What calls do I look for to manipulate these? |
| 00:06.57 | wolsni | Lupino: the panel is provided by a program called 'kicker' |
| 00:07.17 | Lupino | oooh.. of course, sanky. |
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| 00:07.57 | Mahr | Anyone know if it's possible to play games that requires OpenGL though Wine if using AIglx/Xgl+ Beryl? |
| 00:08.02 | Mahr | *through |
| 00:08.25 | terlmann | yea |
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| 00:08.29 | terlmann | sorta |
| 00:08.45 | Lupino | Xgl doesn't support additional OpenGL apps on top of it, as far as I recall. You'd have to use 'xgame' or something to get around that. |
| 00:08.47 | terlmann | if they require anything , wine will try to supply it |
| 00:08.59 | terlmann | you will need to use aiglx , yes |
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| 00:09.08 | Lupino | But apart from that, if you're on aiglx, there's no need for that workaround. |
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| 00:09.26 | edouble | hello |
| 00:09.27 | Mahr | Ah good. Maby WoW will work after all :) |
| 00:09.30 | Mahr | Thanks you guys |
| 00:09.41 | Lupino | If I turn off Xgl I can play Warcraft III in -opengl mode fine with wine. |
| 00:09.57 | Lupino | I also hear WoW works just about perfectly in wine & cedega ;) |
| 00:10.13 | Mahr | If Xgl is turned off that is? |
| 00:10.16 | edouble | "couldn't start kdeinit" <---- suse 10.2 |
| 00:10.19 | Fri13- | Is it possible that what im searching (kerry integrated on KDE open/save dialog) is kio-beagle or kio-clucene or yabi, all results what i find looks similar but not exactly what i use on SUSE. |
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| 00:11.03 | Mahr | Thanks again guys. Really appreciate the help =) |
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| 00:11.21 | edouble | id like some help either.. |
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| 00:16.59 | JamesB192 | When I try t access http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea using konqueror 3.5.5 on my hardened gentoo system, it causes the kernel to kill konqueror. |
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| 00:18.32 | inode33 | When I drag and drop the home onto the desktop all my files on the deskop went poof! |
| 00:18.32 | inode33 | >_< |
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| 00:18.46 | wolsni | inode33: open a konqueror window and type '~/Desktop/' into the location bar |
| 00:19.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | JamesB192: It's North Korea-s electronic nuke. |
| 00:19.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | JamesB192: They're doing test detonations on Wikipedia. |
| 00:19.50 | Mahr | lol you serious? |
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| 00:20.26 | JamesB192 | Ah, well I was trying to find out who to complain to about these annoying crackers trying to break my system. |
| 00:20.35 | wolsni | Mahr: of course; it's a specially targeted attack for Konqueror running on Gentoo |
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| 00:20.56 | Mahr | wolsni; lol :P |
| 00:21.05 | Mahr | I know nothing cuz I'm a n00b u know :P |
| 00:21.24 | JamesB192 | Actually I think it only affects kernels w/ PAX enabled. 8-) |
| 00:21.58 | Mahr | Ok, my installation of Sabayon is done so it's time for me to reboot. Cross yer fingers lads that it works as well as the Live version ;) |
| 00:22.12 | Mahr | See ya in a few. |
| 00:22.14 | Lupino | Good luck. |
| 00:22.14 | Alethes | (it won't) |
| 00:22.16 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:22.17 | Mahr | lol |
| 00:22.18 | Mahr | :P |
| 00:22.19 | Mahr | Cheers |
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| 00:24.04 | stemcel | wolsni: what do you prefer? |
| 00:24.19 | wolsni | i use fedora |
| 00:24.30 | stemcel | hmm |
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| 00:24.36 | wolsni | haven't tried anything else recently though |
| 00:24.50 | stemcel | would you suggest kdmtheme for theming kde? |
| 00:25.10 | wolsni | stemcel: i don't spend much time at the login screen so I don't bother :) |
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| 00:25.39 | stemcel | I don't care about the login screen, I want to make amarok stop looking crappy |
| 00:26.01 | stemcel | and it's taking way too long |
| 00:26.02 | wolsni | kdmtheme is only for theming the login screen (which is KDM) |
| 00:26.19 | stemcel | I'm brand new to this and I don't know anything about customizing GUI on linux |
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| 00:26.24 | stemcel | i see... |
| 00:26.26 | stemcel | thanks |
| 00:27.17 | wolsni | stemcel: press alt+f2 to bring up the Run dialog, then type in 'kcmshell style' without the quotes |
| 00:27.39 | wolsni | you should have several alternate themes installed already |
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| 00:28.42 | mahrellon | Oh god it worked |
| 00:28.58 | Mahr | I'm truly and absolutely ûber impressed |
| 00:29.10 | wolsni | Mahr: way to run an installer ;) |
| 00:29.17 | Mahr | Haha thx :P |
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| 00:31.28 | edouble | hi all |
| 00:31.52 | edouble | can anyone help? |
| 00:32.18 | edouble | coudn't start kdeinit, check your installation |
| 00:32.26 | edouble | (damn!) |
| 00:32.53 | edouble | its a fresh install |
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| 00:33.23 | daum | anyone else her enotice the "random" is gone for screen savers? |
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| 00:35.40 | edouble | daum |
| 00:35.52 | edouble | i cant check it |
| 00:35.58 | edouble | i cant start x |
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| 00:36.17 | wolsni | edouble: 'startx' doesn't work for you? |
| 00:36.25 | edouble | nope |
| 00:36.36 | edouble | coudn't start kdeinit, check your installation |
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| 00:37.02 | edouble | thats the error i get |
| 00:38.32 | inode33 | wolsni: Thanks, somehow I dragged the desktop into ~/Documents |
| 00:38.37 | inode33 | o.0 |
| 00:38.42 | inode33 | Without knoing it |
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| 00:41.43 | stemcel | I am new to GUI customization with KDE, and have a few questions. If someone would help me through a specific example then I think that it would help a lot. Could anyone help me make amarok look like this: |
| 00:41.45 | stemcel | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/CiAsA%27s+Amarok+theme?content=42194&PHPSESSID=55547505ceb7eee0816206bd673f7734 |
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| 00:43.47 | inode33 | I don't know how I could drag the desktop into a folder in it's parent and it doesn't ask me for confirmation. It just did it. If the menu popped up ... I could just say no |
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| 00:45.29 | wolsni | stemcel: that theme is just a context browser theme |
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| 00:46.19 | stemcel | wolsni: fair enough. Could you help me learn how to change the rest of it? |
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| 00:46.32 | stoned | stemcel: #kde |
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| 00:46.50 | wolsni | stemcel: go to kcontrol and look in the appearance section |
| 00:47.05 | wolsni | the 'colors' and 'style' options are probably of most interest to you |
| 00:48.29 | stemcel | ahh... thanks wolsni |
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| 00:48.44 | stemcel | first time in the last couple hours that I haven't felt like I was talking to a brick wall' |
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| 00:48.55 | edouble | heeeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 00:48.57 | edouble | kde |
| 00:49.03 | edouble | doesn't start |
| 00:49.12 | wolsni | edouble: you should ask in your distro channel, i think |
| 00:49.17 | edouble | sse |
| 00:49.20 | edouble | suse |
| 00:49.27 | stoned | oh |
| 00:49.28 | stoned | nevermind |
| 00:49.32 | edouble | they told me to come here |
| 00:49.32 | stoned | I thought I was in #debian |
| 00:49.35 | stoned | hah! |
| 00:49.42 | edouble | lol |
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| 00:49.51 | edouble | debian? |
| 00:49.56 | edouble | whats that |
| 00:50.18 | wolsni | edouble: debian is a pretty old linux distribution with ENORMOUS package repositories |
| 00:50.36 | edouble | i know |
| 00:50.40 | edouble | i was kidding |
| 00:50.43 | edouble | lol |
| 00:50.57 | Lanken | debian is the best full distro for getting up and running in a hurry. |
| 00:50.57 | edouble | pls |
| 00:51.05 | edouble | hum |
| 00:51.08 | edouble | nope |
| 00:51.16 | edouble | i think slackware is |
| 00:51.27 | Thundercloud | Debian = win |
| 00:51.57 | Lanken | edouble: maybe I should have said "in a hurry and with a minimum of user input" |
| 00:51.58 | qupada | wolsni: the thing is the repos SEEM enourmous, until you realise 90% of software is split into foo-core and foo-data so they don't have too much duplication for multiple architectures |
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| 00:52.48 | edouble | brb |
| 00:52.50 | wolsni | qupada: who has more software packaged than debian? |
| 00:53.15 | Lanken | qupada: he didn't claim there were 25000 programs for Debian. |
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| 00:54.02 | qupada | Lanken: i know he didn't. the point is once you reduce that number to the number of actual applications, it's fairly close to plenty of other distros |
| 00:54.02 | Lanken | there aren't, libraries and slit packages cut the number down. But there are still more programs there than anywhere else. |
| 00:54.59 | Lanken | qupada: this seems like it would make a good blog post. has anyone looked into it? |
| 00:55.02 | edouble | huhhh |
| 00:55.10 | edouble | im cryinf |
| 00:55.14 | edouble | f==g |
| 00:55.33 | edouble | kde doesnt start |
| 00:55.33 | qupada | Lanken: sounds like, yes. probably wouldn't though |
| 00:55.40 | Lanken | I've heard that in fortran, doing 4=3 would redefine 4 |
| 00:55.40 | edouble | i need x |
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| 00:56.21 | wolsni | edouble: then maybe you should switch to a distro that doesn't ship a broken kdebase |
| 00:56.35 | wolsni | it doesn't seem like anyone who can help you fix it is around right now |
| 00:56.55 | edouble | well |
| 00:57.00 | edouble | wolsni |
| 00:57.11 | edouble | actually i was under slackware |
| 00:57.20 | edouble | and dont know suse |
| 00:57.46 | edouble | im familiar wit slack..but i wanted to try suse |
| 00:58.00 | edouble | mainly to install beryl |
| 00:58.08 | edouble | aand test it |
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| 00:58.30 | edouble | i couldnt figure out how to do that in slackware |
| 00:58.32 | wolsni | well, suse's not the only distribution that packages beryl |
| 00:58.39 | edouble | yep |
| 00:58.41 | edouble | fedora |
| 00:59.13 | wolsni | edouble: i believe gentoo and ubuntu have it as well |
| 00:59.20 | edouble | yes |
| 00:59.40 | edouble | gentoo ..i dont even mind to install |
| 01:00.03 | edouble | ubuntu..humm neither |
| 01:00.50 | edouble | is it possible to do that under slack? |
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| 01:02.19 | Lanken | I have noticed that very few qt themes use a textured scrollbar tray. is it a big challenge? |
| 01:02.41 | AlexElliott | edouble, there is a guide to installing beryl on Slackware on beryl's wiki (though not for the new -current), and the new -current comes with compiz now |
| 01:03.32 | edouble | ok |
| 01:03.38 | edouble | ill check it |
| 01:03.44 | edouble | now im off to bed |
| 01:03.49 | edouble | nite to all |
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| 01:09.36 | louieb39c | can someone help me repair kde in kubuntu? |
| 01:10.50 | louieb39c | I killed it trying to get kicker from suse to work on it...I force installed the 32-bit version for x64... |
| 01:12.43 | louieb39c | anyone? |
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| 01:14.12 | Simkin | hahaha |
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| 01:18.36 | Simkin | tee hee hee |
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| 01:25.12 | supernix | hiya gang |
| 01:25.24 | supernix | could someone help me resolve an issue ? |
| 01:25.33 | Simkin | i could |
| 01:25.35 | Simkin | what is it? |
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| 01:26.15 | supernix | well I was trying to change the monitor and video card settings for my Kubuntu and after I clicked on test it went crazy |
| 01:26.29 | supernix | now I just have a black X and black and white spots in the background |
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| 01:26.40 | Simkin | oh boy |
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| 01:31.30 | stemcel | quick question: currently any little "impossible" thing that I do, such as backspacing one time too many in konsole or making a failing quicksearch in firefox, rings the system bell. Is there any way to make this stop? The system bell is driving me nuts. |
| 01:32.11 | lilltiger | stemcel: configure notifications and turn it off |
| 01:32.33 | lilltiger | supernix: do you have an nvidia card? |
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| 01:32.44 | supernix | no it is an ATI 9200 |
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| 01:32.48 | stemcel | lilltiger: thanks man |
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| 01:34.25 | lilltiger | supernix: ahh, dont know how to fix it then... but you could move your xorg.conf and test if it works without it.. also could try the xorgconfig/xorgcfg progs |
| 01:34.41 | marcusU | I am having problems with SVN version (3.5 branch) kghostview suddenly rendering incredibly slowly. I can actually watch the characters being drawn. |
| 01:34.49 | marcusU | gs itself works at normal speed. |
| 01:34.50 | supernix | lol cant get anything working except for the little X |
| 01:35.03 | supernix | it moves anywhere the mouse does but that is it |
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| 01:35.45 | supernix | I think the command for killing X is alt backspace I figure that could help get me back on track but I was trying to keep from doing that |
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| 01:35.55 | lilltiger | supernix: sounds like you got X working, but no terminal for it.. and you probly borfed up kde in some way |
| 01:36.12 | JamesB192 | supermix: login to a text console and type something like 'DISPLAY=:0 startkde &'. |
| 01:36.32 | lilltiger | supernix: <ctrl>+<alt>+<F1> to get out the an terminal |
| 01:36.39 | supernix | like I said it was working till I changed the graphics card driver and the monitor settings and hit test |
| 01:36.58 | lilltiger | the = to |
| 01:37.15 | supernix | ok will try that |
| 01:37.16 | smileaf | supernix: might wanna ask in your distribution, its not really a KDE question. |
| 01:37.46 | JamesB192 | supermix: pastebin everything going to the console. then get someone who knows what the heck they're doing... |
| 01:37.59 | smileaf | supernix: #xorg also might be able to help you trouble shoot it. |
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| 01:39.25 | MaximLevitsky | Well how about that |
| 01:39.25 | MaximLevitsky | I boot kde4 live disk |
| 01:39.44 | MaximLevitsky | and I get 75 mb of memory used |
| 01:39.55 | MaximLevitsky | Cool right ? |
| 01:40.12 | MaximLevitsky | Instead of typical 175 |
| 01:40.20 | MaximLevitsky | On my kubuntu system |
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| 01:40.47 | MaximLevitsky | Of cource I know that this is only malloced memory |
| 01:41.13 | MaximLevitsky | Most of memory is allovaled and accounted as cache, while it isn't |
| 01:41.49 | black_13 | how do kde profiles work? |
| 01:41.52 | MaximLevitsky | I meant that all system libraries/libraries/applications are in cache , while they are not |
| 01:42.05 | MaximLevitsky | black_13 , will test now |
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| 01:42.54 | MaximLevitsky | sorry for dumb question but what are those 'kde profiles' |
| 01:43.05 | lilltiger | MaximLevitsky: my kde only uses 30MB ram.. |
| 01:43.18 | MaximLevitsky | KDE4 ? |
| 01:43.25 | lilltiger | 3.5.6 |
| 01:43.58 | MaximLevitsky | It can't be |
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| 01:44.25 | lilltiger | Mem: 1035748 1012792 22956 0 2456 702772 |
| 01:44.25 | lilltiger | -/+ buffers/cache: 307564 728184 |
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| 01:44.53 | MaximLevitsky | Of cource , you use 307, 564 KB of memory |
| 01:45.03 | lilltiger | yes :) |
| 01:45.04 | MaximLevitsky | not 30,000 KB |
| 01:45.21 | lilltiger | yhee, but you asked about kde :) |
| 01:45.56 | black_13 | MaximLevitsky, sorry was that response to the question i asked? |
| 01:46.44 | MaximLevitsky | Yes, I thought that you ask me to test a feature in KDE4 |
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| 01:46.53 | MaximLevitsky | the 'kde profiles' |
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| 01:48.18 | MaximLevitsky | lilltiger , I have 74052 KB used totaly , the -/+ buffers/cache line |
| 01:48.19 | MaximLevitsky | not jus kde |
| 01:48.19 | stemcel | lilltiger: where can I find notifications to turn the system bell off? |
| 01:48.42 | black_13 | MaximLevitsky, no actually i am trying to figure out who to use the kiosk features in kde 4.5 |
| 01:48.47 | black_13 | excuse kde 3.5 |
| 01:48.50 | lilltiger | stemcel: have you found where to edit the notifications at all? |
| 01:49.07 | lilltiger | MaximLevitsky: how meny progs are you runing then? |
| 01:49.26 | stemcel | lilltiger: nope, sorry |
| 01:49.28 | MaximLevitsky | None, just KDE4 live disk in vmware |
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| 01:49.33 | stemcel | lilltiger: I looked in kcontrol |
| 01:49.45 | lilltiger | stemcel: kcontrol -> sound & multimedia |
| 01:49.53 | lilltiger | system notifications |
| 01:50.05 | MaximLevitsky | But 175 MB I have on kubuntu is also on boot without rograms |
| 01:50.57 | MaximLevitsky | Now for example I have : -/+ buffers/cache: 286652 738220 on kubuntu |
| 01:50.57 | lilltiger | MaximLevitsky: ahh, well kubuntu loads alot of large kdelibs that isent needed :) |
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| 01:54.49 | MaximLevitsky | KDE4 is great, just great, improvments are everywhere , lot of work ahead, but very nice |
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| 02:02.40 | stemcel | lilltiger: I don't believe that it is one of the options there. It's the onboard sound chip on my motherboard that beeps. I've tried messing with kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> system bell, but I can't get it to shut up |
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| 02:03.19 | MaximLevitsky | lilltiger, you can just unload system beep kernel module |
| 02:03.25 | stemcel | lilltiger: and my "tried messing with" I mean "observed that that's about replacing system notifications with the system bell" |
| 02:03.25 | lilltiger | stemcel: system notification not system bell |
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| 02:03.44 | stemcel | MaximLevitsky: how can I do that? |
| 02:03.50 | MaximLevitsky | modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 02:04.07 | stemcel | can I make that stick so that it will still be unloaded next time I boot? |
| 02:04.18 | MaximLevitsky | If you are lucky and it is not built-in kernel |
| 02:04.21 | lilltiger | stemcel: and you have selected Event Source Konsole? |
| 02:04.33 | MaximLevitsky | can I make that stick so that it will still be unloaded next time I boot? <- sure |
| 02:05.09 | MaximLevitsky | edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 02:05.13 | stemcel | cool |
| 02:05.26 | lilltiger | stemcel: but isent there a bell showin at the konsole tab when it beeps? |
| 02:05.43 | MaximLevitsky | append there a line "blacklist pcspkr" |
| 02:05.58 | stemcel | thanks MaximLevitsky, that was exactly it |
| 02:06.03 | stemcel | lilltiger: yeah |
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| 02:06.17 | stemcel | but it was beeping the motherboard's soundchip |
| 02:06.37 | stemcel | which is a really annoying noise that I would prefer to hear only on boot and at fatal system errors |
| 02:06.50 | stemcel | not for typos :( |
| 02:06.50 | lilltiger | stemcel: yes, but probly the notifications are hookt up to that |
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| 02:07.30 | kramed | is there a way to switch focus across screens with the keyboard only? |
| 02:07.55 | MaximLevitsky | You mean desktops ? |
| 02:07.55 | kramed | my vm took my mouse on the other screen but I have my keyboard on this screen |
| 02:08.01 | kramed | no screens, dual monitors |
| 02:08.16 | kramed | freaking insane this have never happened before |
| 02:08.51 | MaximLevitsky | Try to get out of vm |
| 02:09.00 | MaximLevitsky | Since it took mouse |
| 02:09.01 | stemcel | lilltiger: you may be right, I'll keep on looking |
| 02:09.04 | kramed | how without killing it? |
| 02:09.10 | MaximLevitsky | It probably took kb too |
| 02:09.14 | MaximLevitsky | what vm ? |
| 02:09.18 | kramed | virtualbox |
| 02:09.19 | MaximLevitsky | vmware ? |
| 02:09.30 | MaximLevitsky | then press right 'ctrl' once |
| 02:09.37 | kramed | 0 |
| 02:10.17 | MaximLevitsky | in vbox right 'ctrl' switches focus |
| 02:10.22 | kramed | its not responding |
| 02:10.38 | kramed | ok so an xsession loaded and I have the mouse in vbox but no keyboard haha |
| 02:10.47 | kramed | I guess it has problems with dual screens |
| 02:11.05 | kramed | 0 |
| 02:11.57 | kramed | yeah my mouse is in vbox but my keyboard is here |
| 02:12.00 | kramed | there is no mouse gesture eh |
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| 02:13.13 | MaximLevitsky | KDE does support controlling mouse with kbd , but you have to set it up in kcontrol |
| 02:14.37 | kramed | so there is no way to basically alt-tab to another screen? moving is only done through the mouse? |
| 02:15.11 | Simkin | alt tab to another screen? |
| 02:15.13 | Simkin | what do you mean? |
| 02:15.29 | kramed | I mean I have 2 monitors but my mouse is stuck in the other screen in a vm |
| 02:15.48 | kramed | and the vm is not responding to the keyboard because the keyboard is on this screen haha |
| 02:15.49 | Simkin | so dual display |
| 02:15.57 | Simkin | ahhh |
| 02:16.02 | Simkin | vm = vmware ? |
| 02:16.06 | kramed | virtualbox |
| 02:16.20 | kramed | I may have to use vmware if vbox doesnt work with dual monitors well |
| 02:16.22 | Simkin | and it's locked solid? |
| 02:16.37 | kramed | no I have the mouse control in solaris but no keyboard |
| 02:16.45 | kramed | so I have no way to get out of the vm |
| 02:16.58 | Simkin | try alt-f3 ? |
| 02:17.01 | Simkin | but yah |
| 02:17.04 | Simkin | i dont' think that'll work either |
| 02:17.07 | Simkin | if the vm has all the keys... |
| 02:17.26 | MaximLevitsky | Then do a <ctrl><alt>F1 to go to old good console, and kill vm from there |
| 02:17.35 | kramed | yeah I guess thats all I can do |
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| 02:17.52 | kramed | its just a pain in the butt to clean solaris from a bad unmount :P |
| 02:17.58 | kramed | thanks guys |
| 02:18.07 | MaximLevitsky | Why to use it then ? |
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| 02:18.32 | MaximLevitsky | Wait a sec, maybe I will find a solution |
| 02:18.36 | kramed | use it for servers at work |
| 02:18.44 | kramed | I just closed it but let me know what you find |
| 02:19.33 | kramed | is vmware tons better than vbox? I just much rather use oss |
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| 02:20.19 | Simkin | i dunno |
| 02:20.24 | Simkin | but qemu is also oss |
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| 02:20.38 | MaximLevitsky | Completly oss btw |
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| 02:20.47 | kramed | yeah but qemu is really slow I have heard |
| 02:21.18 | MaximLevitsky | And that true, it is slower that vbox, with kernel module |
| 02:22.24 | BloodyTux | i hate being banned from support channels :( |
| 02:22.39 | Simkin | oh |
| 02:22.43 | Simkin | virtual box is based on qemu |
| 02:22.51 | kramed | I found an option that was 'automatically grab keyboard'. I disabled that hopefully it fixes my problem |
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| 02:25.55 | BloodyTux | how do i change the login look? |
| 02:27.04 | rr72 | BloodyTux~ look and feel |
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| 02:27.09 | rr72 | login manager |
| 02:27.33 | BloodyTux | k |
| 02:27.33 | rr72 | or u can do manuelly by editing kdmrc |
| 02:27.34 | BloodyTux | de |
| 02:27.37 | BloodyTux | ... |
| 02:27.37 | BloodyTux | :) |
| 02:27.44 | rr72 | but thats riskier |
| 02:28.03 | BloodyTux | where in login manager??? |
| 02:29.11 | rr72 | what distro? |
| 02:29.50 | kramed | bloody hell program did it again |
| 02:29.59 | BloodyTux | kubuntu |
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| 02:30.43 | rr72 | BloodyTux~ click "K" system settings, advanced, login manager |
| 02:31.00 | BloodyTux | then what? |
| 02:31.08 | rr72 | what do u want to change? |
| 02:31.20 | BloodyTux | the login look |
| 02:31.35 | BloodyTux | the area you enter the text, you know |
| 02:31.37 | rr72 | then fool araound with the settings till u like it |
| 02:31.45 | BloodyTux | what settings? |
| 02:31.45 | rr72 | oh |
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| 02:31.58 | rr72 | on the login manager under advanced settings |
| 02:32.08 | rr72 | under appearance |
| 02:32.10 | dhorn | Does anyone know how to change the text color on kicker? |
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| 02:32.27 | BloodyTux | oh. k thanks :) |
| 02:32.38 | rr72 | also check out kde-look.com |
| 02:32.49 | BloodyTux | k, i g2g, ciao |
| 02:33.00 | rr72 | w/e the kde look site it |
| 02:33.01 | dhorn | rr72: was that directed toward me? |
| 02:33.06 | rr72 | nah |
| 02:33.07 | Jucato | BloodyTux: Kubuntu uses a KDM Theme. you can installt the package "kdmtheme" so that you can have GUI to change themes. |
| 02:33.14 | BloodyTux | k |
| 02:33.17 | BloodyTux | bye |
| 02:33.22 | Jucato | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu |
| 02:33.24 | rr72 | Jucato~ i didnt know that ty |
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| 02:35.12 | dhorn | Does anyone know anything about text colors in kicker here? |
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| 02:48.42 | Lanken | anyone know what's happened to Renze? |
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| 02:50.40 | Jucato | no :( |
| 02:51.11 | Lanken | If he leads a dangerous life, he's never mentioned it to me. |
| 02:51.46 | Jucato | well, he says he leads no life at all... :/ |
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| 02:52.13 | Lanken | someone should ping his box. |
| 02:52.17 | Lanken | anyone have his ip address? |
| 02:52.22 | Jucato | not me... |
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| 02:57.12 | excitatory | what is the command the Storage Media panel applet uses to 'Safely Remove' a device? it doesn't seem like just pumount, since i see a graphical progress bar pop up when i do it.. or is that just a feature of my distro? |
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| 03:00.20 | Squillis | evening |
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| 03:00.57 | Squillis | how do i add katapult to the panel if it's not in the list? |
| 03:01.05 | Squillis | the binary exists |
| 03:01.30 | Pollywog | why does encrypt to self not work in kmail? |
| 03:01.33 | Jucato | Squillis: is it not in K Menu -> Utilities? |
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| 03:01.57 | Pollywog | it does not work on my Debian or kubuntu systems |
| 03:02.36 | Squillis | yep, sure is |
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| 03:07.19 | dhorn | Does anyone know how to apply a diff from the kde-devel list? |
| 03:07.25 | dhorn | Will I have to recompile? |
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| 03:07.46 | Toyd | Hello |
| 03:07.48 | Toyd | anyone here |
| 03:07.57 | Toyd | how do i install kde? |
| 03:08.18 | excitatory | Squillis: alt-space is how you use it.. |
| 03:08.46 | Pollywog | dhorn: yes after applying a diff you normally recompile |
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| 03:08.53 | excitatory | Toyd: the easiest way is through your distribution's software manager.. |
| 03:09.01 | Squillis | i need to know how to get it to start with kde |
| 03:09.05 | Toyd | i dont know where it is i am on vista |
| 03:09.14 | Toyd | where is that on vista? |
| 03:09.19 | dhorn | Pollywog: maybe you can help me out for second, I'm trying to apply this: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=117145563500995&w=2 |
| 03:09.26 | Squillis | the same goes for wifi-radar. i don't know how to get them to start with kde |
| 03:09.33 | Pollywog | k I am looking |
| 03:09.36 | excitatory | Toyd: well, assuming you're not trolling, kde is currently only for linux and cannot be run on vista. |
| 03:09.39 | Toyd | KDE4 runs windows right? |
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| 03:09.49 | Toyd | oh my friend told me |
| 03:09.54 | Pollywog | no |
| 03:09.55 | excitatory | Toyd: yes, but kde4 is not out. |
| 03:09.58 | Pollywog | Toyd no |
| 03:10.03 | Toyd | what is trolling? |
| 03:10.05 | Pollywog | KDE4 runs windows? |
| 03:10.07 | Toyd | i am new to irc |
| 03:10.38 | Toyd | yeah Pollywog thats what my pal told me |
| 03:10.54 | Pollywog | Toyd if you want to run Windows on Linux, you need VMware |
| 03:11.41 | excitatory | Toyd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28internet%29 |
| 03:11.41 | excitatory | Toyd: but don't worry, you don't appear to be. |
| 03:11.41 | Toyd | so when can i get KDE4 |
| 03:11.41 | dhorn | Pollywog: any experience in applying a diff like that? |
| 03:11.41 | excitatory | Toyd: not sure, it's still in early stages of development, but i hear this year sometime. |
| 03:12.13 | Pollywog | dhorn I think you need to save the diff file you downloaded and then run the patch command in the source |
| 03:12.13 | Pollywog | I have done it |
| 03:12.16 | excitatory | Pollywog: don't confuse him, that's not what they are after. |
| 03:12.16 | Toyd | is it possible to run KDE on windows with either cygwin, putty and xming forwarding X11 through xming? |
| 03:12.35 | Pollywog | excitatory: k I did not know |
| 03:12.46 | Toyd | yeah dont confuse me Pollywog |
| 03:12.52 | Toyd | Pollywog, wants a cracker |
| 03:13.06 | Toyd | sorry Pollywog couldnt resist |
| 03:13.21 | Pollywog | I must find out what Toyd is talking about... tomorrow |
| 03:13.25 | Toyd | i just love KDE and Pollywog i am running kubuntu |
| 03:13.36 | Pollywog | I also run kubuntu |
| 03:13.52 | Pollywog | dhorn did you download the diff? |
| 03:13.56 | Toyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.59 | dhorn | Pollywog: yes |
| 03:14.28 | Pollywog | k the trick with a diff is to place it in the proper directory and then apply it there with the patch command |
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| 03:14.48 | Toyd | but i would love to run KDE4 on windows so is there a preliminary date for it yet or release date |
| 03:14.50 | dhorn | Pollywog: My only concern is that a) I've never compiled and then installed kde from source b) i'm running kubuntu 7.04, if I compile KDE and then reinstall is it going to eff something up? |
| 03:14.59 | Toyd | my english had bad grammar soz |
| 03:15.30 | Lanken | ~kde4 |
| 03:15.41 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 03:15.41 | Pollywog | dhorn: is this diff written for the version of KDE you are running? |
| 03:15.41 | Toyd | is amarok part of KDE btw?? |
| 03:16.03 | dhorn | Pollywog: yeah, 3.5.x |
| 03:16.08 | Lanken | Toyd: Amarok depends on kde. |
| 03:16.08 | Pollywog | k |
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| 03:16.44 | Pollywog | dhorn do 'sudo dpkg-repack <packagename> on the packages you are upgrading |
| 03:16.49 | Toyd | ok i see |
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| 03:17.00 | Pollywog | if it goes bad you can reinstall those backed up packages |
| 03:17.05 | Toyd | so porting Kde to windows isnt enough to port amarok also? |
| 03:17.10 | Pollywog | do that command in a temp directory |
| 03:17.25 | Pollywog | dhorn do 'sudo dpkg-repack <packagename>' |
| 03:17.39 | Pollywog | you have to install the package dpkg-repack |
| 03:17.40 | dhorn | Pollywog: I don't know what packages it is going to affect. It looks like the main file is kcontrol/taskbar/kcmtaskbar.cpp |
| 03:18.09 | Toyd | so will Kde be like a complete shell on windows to replace windows explorer? |
| 03:18.10 | Pollywog | dhorn I think you will need to put the diff in the directory ABOVE kcontrol/ |
| 03:18.52 | Pollywog | and then apply it with something like 'patch -p0 --dry-run < filename.diff |
| 03:19.09 | dhorn | Pollywog: so just to recap (I'm relatively new at compiling from source)... I need to download KDE source, apply diff, recompile? |
| 03:19.12 | Pollywog | if you see no errors, repeat the command without the --dry-run |
| 03:19.23 | Pollywog | dhorn: yes |
| 03:19.42 | dhorn | Pollywog: okay, thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 03:20.01 | Pollywog | the compile can be done the debian way if you use kubuntu source packages |
| 03:20.44 | dhorn | Pollywog: I do, what exactly is the debian way? to create a .deb file? |
| 03:21.18 | Pollywog | you cd to the toplevel source directory and then do 'sudo dpkg-buildpackage' |
| 03:21.24 | Pollywog | that makes debs |
| 03:21.40 | dhorn | and then I can install the deb using the package manager? |
| 03:21.47 | Pollywog | yes or command line |
| 03:22.07 | Pollywog | sudo dpkg -i packagename |
| 03:22.14 | dhorn | Pollywog: will it overwrite all files or only those that're modified? |
| 03:22.14 | Pollywog | sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 03:22.30 | Pollywog | it will overwrite the files in the package with same name |
| 03:22.45 | Pollywog | all of them |
| 03:22.53 | dhorn | Pollywog: so it'll basically be a fresh install of KDE and I'll lose all preferences? |
| 03:23.09 | Pollywog | no you will keep the prefs in ~/kde |
| 03:23.13 | Pollywog | no you will keep the prefs in ~/.kde |
| 03:23.27 | dhorn | ah, alright |
| 03:23.41 | dhorn | doesn't overwrite the home directory then? |
| 03:23.48 | Pollywog | no it doesn't |
| 03:23.56 | dhorn | Pollywog: awesome, you've been a big help... thanks |
| 03:24.01 | Pollywog | yw |
| 03:24.21 | Pollywog | remember to use dpkg-repack |
| 03:24.26 | Pollywog | before you compile |
| 03:24.36 | dhorn | Pollywog: I'm a little unsure what I'm supposed ot do with that |
| 03:24.45 | Pollywog | or before you INSTALL the compiled packages |
| 03:24.55 | dhorn | Pollywog: so I want to repack the kde-devel package? |
| 03:24.56 | Pollywog | make a list of the debs you end up with |
| 03:25.11 | Pollywog | if that package is one of the new packages, yes |
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| 03:25.32 | dhorn | Pollywog: alright, and then the repack does what? |
| 03:25.43 | Pollywog | then go to a temp dir (create one) and do dpkg-repack for all the debs you are going to upgrade |
| 03:26.02 | Pollywog | dpkg-repack kde-devel for example |
| 03:26.14 | Pollywog | that will make a deb as a backup |
| 03:26.35 | dhorn | okay, great |
| 03:26.36 | Pollywog | then if this new compile does not work,reinstall the backed up debs |
| 03:26.42 | Pollywog | and you should be good to go |
| 03:27.11 | dhorn | alright, thanks a lot |
| 03:27.15 | Pollywog | yw |
| 03:27.22 | Pollywog | good night |
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| 03:43.54 | DaSkreech | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kritik |
| 03:43.57 | DaSkreech | Great name :) |
| 03:44.10 | DaSkreech | Just need an app to go with it now |
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| 03:52.04 | Deth | hey all. |
| 03:52.38 | DaSkreech | All isn't here right now. Would you like to leave a message |
| 03:52.48 | Deth | lol |
| 03:52.53 | Deth | nah im good. |
| 03:53.43 | Deth | anyone thinkin kde4 is gonna be any good? |
| 03:54.08 | Lanken | what should i use in KDE to view a powerpoint presentation (ppt) file? |
| 03:54.23 | Deth | open office. |
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| 03:54.29 | Deth | i think k office can do it also... |
| 03:54.31 | Lanken | Deth: is there any other option? |
| 03:54.34 | Jucato | Lanken: KPresenter or OpenOffice Impress |
| 03:54.43 | Lanken | kpresenter sounds good |
| 03:54.51 | Lanken | I'm not a fan off OOo |
| 03:55.05 | DaSkreech | Yeah I'm starting to roll that way myself |
| 03:55.05 | Deth | i used to think it sucked. |
| 03:55.19 | Deth | but i was using it when it was 1.1 powerpoints came out looking all generic and deformed. |
| 03:55.26 | Jucato | well, neither am I. but when it comes to opening MS Office formats (like .doc, .xls, .ppt), KOffice kinda doesn't cut it |
| 03:55.38 | DaSkreech | Jucato: When did you turn up? |
| 03:55.38 | Deth | but now OOo is getting a lil fat. |
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| 03:56.09 | Jucato | DaSkreech: hm... when? no particular time... |
| 03:56.10 | Lanken | Kword kinda makes variable-width fonts look like butt. |
| 03:56.25 | DaSkreech | ah I was looking for ya in k*-devel |
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| 03:57.16 | DaSkreech | Deth: and no everyone in this room is praying fro a regression to KDE2 |
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| 03:57.39 | Deth | lol. |
| 03:57.47 | Deth | im looking forward to kde4. |
| 03:57.54 | Deth | severely. |
| 03:57.57 | Jucato | KDE4 and KDE 4.0 |
| 03:58.11 | Jucato | (2 slightly different things, and the distinction is important) |
| 03:58.22 | Deth | i used to be a gnome freak. but then i came to realize gnome dosent let me do half the stuff i wanted to do, whereas kde does. |
| 03:58.25 | Lanken | DaSkreech: ooooooh I wonder if I can install kde2 alongside kde3.5 |
| 03:58.31 | Deth | so im a kde fanboy now. |
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| 03:58.49 | Deth | kde 4.0 |
| 03:58.54 | DaSkreech | Deth: heehee wait till you get the sneak peak at KDE6 ! |
| 03:59.08 | Jucato | kde 4.0... tbh... might not be all that... "finished"... |
| 03:59.23 | Deth | lol. |
| 03:59.30 | DaSkreech | Deth: Oh yeah word of warning. Listen to Jucato :) |
| 03:59.31 | Deth | possibly not. |
| 03:59.43 | DaSkreech | KDE4 != KDE4.0 |
| 03:59.46 | Jucato | :) |
| 03:59.49 | Deth | lol. |
| 04:00.11 | Jucato | I will probably be looking forward more to KDE 4.1... but KDE 4.0 will give us an idea what to expect ;) |
| 04:00.15 | Deth | ok the next release of kde w/the newer interface, icons, file manager, etc. |
| 04:00.40 | Jucato | ah speaking of which, I wonder how the Oxygen widget style and windeco are coming along... :/ |
| 04:00.47 | Deth | either way, even if its buggy, its still better than gnome imho. |
| 04:00.50 | DaSkreech | Jucato: svn co ? |
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| 04:00.59 | Deth | glassy and prettified. |
| 04:01.12 | Deth | mac fans would probably be impressed, if not blown away. |
| 04:01.49 | Deth | lemme rephrase that for the sake of accuracy, OSX |
| 04:01.52 | yetifoot | is anyone here who uses a new/cvs/svn KDE? I have a feature request/bug report, but don't want to waste peoples time reporting it if its already better |
| 04:02.07 | Jucato | DaSkreech: yeah, haven't had much time to build a KDE 4 system |
| 04:02.39 | Jucato | yetifoot: try searching if it's reported in the bug tracker, and/or ask in a related channel (depending on the app/feature) |
| 04:02.39 | Deth | jucato, what os/distro u using? |
| 04:03.02 | DaSkreech | Mooooooo |
| 04:03.17 | Deth | ? |
| 04:03.20 | Jucato | Deth: Kubuntu... but right now... no distro... playing around other distros |
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| 04:03.47 | Jucato | (or rather, starting to install Gentoo, installed SUSE on laptop... looking for a place to reinstall Kubuntu) |
| 04:04.01 | Deth | ahh. |
| 04:04.08 | Deth | i switched from fedora to suse recently... |
| 04:04.10 | Deth | quite happy. |
| 04:04.21 | Jucato | Deth: "Mooooo" is a sort of reference to Gentoo |
| 04:04.40 | Deth | i hated having to redo half the distro just so i could rid myself of gnome. |
| 04:04.43 | Deth | oh.. |
| 04:04.50 | Deth | kinda a noob when it comes to linux. |
| 04:04.54 | Deth | only been using for about a year. |
| 04:05.05 | DaSkreech | Yeah so am I |
| 04:05.05 | Jucato | ditto |
| 04:05.05 | Deth | xp install disk cracked,.. |
| 04:05.08 | DaSkreech | been using it for about 6 years |
| 04:05.09 | Deth | switched to fedora 4... |
| 04:05.16 | Deth | used it all thru 5 and most of 6. |
| 04:05.20 | Deth | never looked back at windows. |
| 04:05.22 | Jucato | :P |
| 04:05.31 | yetifoot | Jucato, thanks, I just found the bug tracker, and it looks like quite a few people already reported it |
| 04:05.33 | DaSkreech | First distro was redhat 4 :) |
| 04:05.49 | DaSkreech | yetifoot: Vote for it and add some weight |
| 04:06.00 | Deth | ppl on freenode arent A-holes like the creeps in demonoid on p2p |
| 04:06.05 | Jucato | (although voting is really... um...) |
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| 04:06.25 | yetifoot | DaSkreech, will do, one of the problems is resolved, but the other is unconfirmed |
| 04:06.26 | kinection | I seem to have an inconsistency between what my desktop wallpaper is and what kde thinks my desktop wallpaper is. |
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| 04:07.11 | kinection | Through the configure Desktop background dialog. The current wallpaper pictures are completely different from what is actually on my desktop |
| 04:07.22 | kinection | checking ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc it looks like they are set correctly |
| 04:08.07 | DaSkreech | kinection: setting them for the wrong desktop perhaps? |
| 04:08.29 | kinection | even setting for *all* desktops to the same one (i have 4 desktops) does not seem to affect it correctly |
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| 04:08.36 | kinection | i'm going to take another look at my desktoprc file |
| 04:08.49 | kinection | i think this may be a carry over from having beryl installed |
| 04:09.06 | Deth | i had an issue where konqueror would crash if i opened any kind of folder with files in it... deleted my user, created a new one and it fixed the problem... idk if that was opensuse 10.2's problem or if it was kde... |
| 04:09.22 | kinection | I have entries fro Desktop0, Desktop0Screen0 and Desktop0Screen1 and such... so I'm assuming something is up. |
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| 04:11.07 | BlakRyke | either way i fixed it so i didnt really care. |
| 04:11.27 | BlakRyke | anyone know if you can use a realtime patched kernel with the nvidia drivers in opensuse 10.2? |
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| 04:13.22 | BlakRyke | ??? |
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| 04:14.57 | DaSkreech | Hey! |
| 04:15.00 | BlakRyke | hey |
| 04:15.08 | DaSkreech | can cdrecord span an audio cd? |
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| 04:17.47 | BlakRyke | anyone know how to set the hostname on a belkin router? |
| 04:18.06 | DaSkreech | damn it we lost again! |
| 04:18.07 | sortadi | I don't think you're in the right room for that |
| 04:18.24 | BlakRyke | me? |
| 04:18.28 | sortadi | DaSkreech, cdrecord doesn't exist anymore |
| 04:18.30 | sortadi | BlakRyke, yeah |
| 04:18.37 | BlakRyke | prolly not, anyone know of a decent room for that? |
| 04:18.40 | DaSkreech | sortadi: the burner thingy |
| 04:18.43 | BlakRyke | or can anyone help? |
| 04:18.44 | sortadi | DaSkreech, it is now called wodim |
| 04:18.49 | DaSkreech | sortadi: got bought out by Roxi? |
| 04:18.57 | DaSkreech | sortadi: seriously? |
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| 04:19.00 | sortadi | BlakRyke, is that a linux router? |
| 04:19.03 | BlakRyke | like gaim cahanged its name... |
| 04:19.04 | BlakRyke | no. |
| 04:19.04 | sortadi | DaSkreech, seriously |
| 04:19.14 | sortadi | BlakRyke, then no clue |
| 04:19.15 | BlakRyke | its lame ass belkin 54g... i dont think its a linux router anyway. |
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| 04:20.24 | BlakRyke | cos irc servers cant get my hostname, so they use my ip... |
| 04:20.37 | DaSkreech | sortadi: that's the fork |
| 04:20.54 | sortadi | DaSkreech, exactly |
| 04:21.08 | BlakRyke | which dosent really bother me too much cos im behind 2 routers, each with hardware firewalls... but i still dont like people portscanning me randomly trying to be annoying. |
| 04:21.14 | sortadi | BlakRyke, IRC servers haves always used IP |
| 04:21.20 | BlakRyke | yes... |
| 04:21.50 | DaSkreech | Well fine does cdrecord/cdrtools/cdrkit/wodim span audio cds? |
| 04:21.54 | sortadi | BlakRyke, if you don't want your ip shown on IRC servers (e.g. freenode) aske the staff of that particular server for a cloak |
| 04:22.01 | BlakRyke | i may do that. |
| 04:22.09 | BlakRyke | thanks.. . |
| 04:22.09 | Simkin | even better |
| 04:22.10 | Simkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.14 | sortadi | DaSkreech, don't know the term "span" (sorry, not native speaker) |
| 04:22.18 | sortadi | also that |
| 04:22.24 | sortadi | but tor lags sometimes |
| 04:22.31 | Simkin | eh, it's just irxc |
| 04:22.32 | sortadi | depending on the server your are connecting to |
| 04:22.34 | Simkin | err irc |
| 04:22.42 | DaSkreech | sortadi: I want to take a very large audio file and have it burn across multiple Cds |
| 04:22.50 | BlakRyke | oh... |
| 04:23.09 | BlakRyke | ok.. i was about to ask if thats what you wanted to do. |
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| 04:23.13 | BlakRyke | id just use audacity, chop it up into seperate files, |
| 04:23.15 | Simkin | DaSkreech: i think you might have to break up the wav file |
| 04:23.19 | sortadi | DaSkreech, then you need some audio editing tool to divide the track into smalles pieces, not cdrecord |
| 04:23.29 | DaSkreech | argh that sucketh the large one |
| 04:23.30 | Simkin | there ya go :) |
| 04:23.31 | sortadi | *smaller |
| 04:23.42 | DaSkreech | Why can't it just put it on multiple Cds? |
| 04:23.46 | BlakRyke | audacity works.... several others would suffice also. |
| 04:23.48 | BlakRyke | you can. |
| 04:23.52 | BlakRyke | but you gotta break it up first. |
| 04:23.52 | Simkin | why not just use a dvd DaSkreech? |
| 04:24.05 | DaSkreech | Simkin: they don't work so well in Cd players |
| 04:24.07 | Simkin | 700 mb isn't enough for much these days :) |
| 04:24.34 | BlakRyke | my mp3 player died, so im stuck with cd's in my car... i love having aux in. |
| 04:24.41 | BlakRyke | =| |
| 04:24.59 | Simkin | heh |
| 04:25.01 | Simkin | my stereo died |
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| 04:25.08 | Simkin | so i use my laptop for music in the car |
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| 04:25.18 | Simkin | i acutally got a dvd player from a friend |
| 04:25.23 | Simkin | but i have to find a wiring harness for my car |
| 04:25.29 | BlakRyke | i miss getting downloading the linux action show and having it on my mp3 player, listening to it on the way to school. |
| 04:26.54 | BlakRyke | hey daskreech i think k3b can span cds |
| 04:27.19 | DaSkreech | BlakRyke: it can? how? |
| 04:27.55 | DaSkreech | awwww sweet |
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| 04:29.04 | sortadi | K3B can't span, AFAIK |
| 04:29.14 | BlakRyke | oh... |
| 04:29.19 | BlakRyke | wasnt sure... |
| 04:29.37 | sortadi | it truncates |
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| 04:38.18 | DaSkreech | I hope the logout screen is themable in KDE4 |
| 04:38.47 | _ron | Is there anyway to change a "Always do this action" selection/ |
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| 04:40.22 | BlakRyke | yeah. |
| 04:40.29 | BlakRyke | kde control panel. |
| 04:40.48 | BlakRyke | control center sorry. |
| 04:40.48 | Phalure | in kcontrol, my "use antialiasing for fonts" checkbox has three states instead of just two! checked, unchecked, and greyed out check. what does the third state mean? (greyed out check) |
| 04:40.53 | BlakRyke | then go to kde components, file type assosications. |
| 04:41.09 | BlakRyke | default? |
| 04:41.36 | DaSkreech | canllaith: Hello :) |
| 04:41.38 | BlakRyke | did that help <ron> ? |
| 04:41.57 | _ron | BlakRyke I cannot find control center |
| 04:42.03 | _ron | BlakRyke system settings? |
| 04:42.17 | DaSkreech | _ron: kubuntu? |
| 04:42.19 | BlakRyke | yes. |
| 04:42.28 | Phalure | BlakRyke: is "default?" an answer to my question? |
| 04:42.29 | _ron | DaSkreech yes |
| 04:42.30 | BlakRyke | or open a termina. or run from the kmenu and type kcontrol |
| 04:42.33 | BlakRyke | no. |
| 04:42.33 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 04:42.37 | BlakRyke | possibly... |
| 04:42.42 | BlakRyke | yeah... |
| 04:43.04 | BlakRyke | maybe the grey check is some default or something... or something that only applies to a different hardware setup... maybe? |
| 04:43.15 | BlakRyke | termintal* |
| 04:43.18 | Phalure | BlakRyke: then why don't other checkboxes support this "greyed out check" (default) state too? what's special about "use antialiasing for fonts"? |
| 04:43.21 | BlakRyke | terminal* |
| 04:43.33 | _ron | BlakRyke thank you. Where would a camera be? |
| 04:43.59 | BlakRyke | umm it helps lcd monitors, whereas it doesent allways help crt's (though it does on mine) |
| 04:44.10 | BlakRyke | a camera would be under perhipherals. |
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| 04:44.23 | BlakRyke | in kcontrol. |
| 04:45.07 | _ron | BlakRyke I am in kcontrol |
| 04:45.11 | BlakRyke | (back to phailure) checked would be like on unchecked would be off, and the greyed out check would be like let kde decide. |
| 04:45.20 | _ron | Maybe if I tell you exactly what I am trying to do would be helpful? :) |
| 04:45.27 | doctorwhite | is there an on screen keyboard for kde? |
| 04:45.29 | BlakRyke | possibly. |
| 04:45.41 | _ron | I accidental set my camera action to do nothing when it detects my camera. |
| 04:45.51 | _ron | I'd like it to use digikam |
| 04:45.51 | BlakRyke | i think so... im sure there prolly is a oskb in kde, but ive nver used it. |
| 04:45.53 | BlakRyke | oh... |
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| 04:46.10 | Phalure | BlakRyke: it ALWAYS helps crt's! it is ONLY the "subpixel hinting" that is unuseful for non-lcds (and that means TOTALLY unuseful). |
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| 04:46.25 | BlakRyke | does your camera show up as a usb storage volume? |
| 04:46.31 | _ron | I think so |
| 04:46.46 | BlakRyke | try disconnecting it, then reconnecting it.. |
| 04:46.48 | _ron | Is there a way I can find out? |
| 04:46.57 | BlakRyke | see above ^ |
| 04:47.01 | _ron | It does nothing... unfortunately I set it to. |
| 04:47.58 | BlakRyke | in kcontrol going to peripherals >storage media may be able to get you somewhere. |
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| 04:48.57 | _ron | BlakRyke thank you! I got it, I reset to defaults. |
| 04:49.01 | _ron | thank you so much |
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| 04:49.25 | BlakRyke | welcome. |
| 04:50.01 | BlakRyke | ok... |
| 04:50.41 | BlakRyke | back to (phailure) mmk i knew that some of the antialiasing settings helped lcd and others didnt do anything for lcd... and prolly vise versa. |
| 04:51.23 | BlakRyke | but the third greyed out thing is either a developer leftover, or some autodetect/default thing to where kde decides. |
| 04:52.04 | BlakRyke | most likely anyway... |
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| 04:58.48 | YellowRoze | when in konqueror I right click and want to create a text file or empty folder but under 'create new' I have very few and only koffice related options. anyone know what part of kde holds the list of standard things in the right click -> create new -> * ? |
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| 05:00.56 | YellowRoze | Ive tried reinstalling the kdesktop part, but that didn't change anything :( |
| 05:02.31 | BlakRyke | i think thats per user kinda thing. |
| 05:02.35 | BlakRyke | umm... |
| 05:02.41 | BlakRyke | lemme fiddle with some things... |
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| 05:03.05 | mardi | anyone here familiar with the ktorrent plugin schedulerplugin? |
| 05:03.23 | BlakRyke | umm... idk about the sheduler plugin .. but i use ktorrent. |
| 05:03.27 | BlakRyke | y whats the deal? |
| 05:04.13 | mardi | i can't find a way to make it not do anything during certain times |
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| 05:05.07 | mardi | it will throttle bandwidth fine except until I want it to not to do any ups/downs |
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| 05:05.17 | YellowRoze | BlakRyke: so finding the corresponding file in ~/.kde/share/config and removing it would cause the system to use the deafult, that should work, right? |
| 05:05.29 | BlakRyke | possibly. |
| 05:05.34 | BlakRyke | not guaranteed. |
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| 05:05.39 | BlakRyke | but possibly. |
| 05:05.57 | BlakRyke | im not 100% sure so its a gamble, dont get mad at me if you kill something. |
| 05:06.11 | YellowRoze | np |
| 05:06.25 | YellowRoze | I can't recall ever making any changes like that so I just want it back to default. |
| 05:06.37 | BlakRyke | try it.... |
| 05:07.01 | BlakRyke | but i cant guarantee anything... if your user ends up hosed, login as root, and make a new one. |
| 05:07.27 | mardi | schedulerplugin has 'Normal' and 'Turn Off' settings, but setting it to either still seems to allow it to transfer date |
| 05:07.35 | dhorn | anyone know why a dry-run in patch would work but I can't run apply the .diff w/o the dry-run? |
| 05:09.16 | Lanken | kpresenter is weak.... |
| 05:09.27 | Lanken | I think koffice in general has been really underwhelming. |
| 05:09.47 | Lanken | kde4 and koffice 2.0 will be a real change, no doubt. |
| 05:10.29 | BlakRyke | (mardi) idk, have you tried restarting ktorrent after applying the settings? |
| 05:10.36 | Lanken | anyway, in kpresenter, all the images got left out and the text is moved around slightly (off the page in places) |
| 05:10.51 | mardi | BlakRyke: yes |
| 05:10.51 | BlakRyke | (yellow roze) any luck? |
| 05:10.56 | BlakRyke | ahh. |
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| 05:10.58 | BlakRyke | idk.. |
| 05:11.05 | YellowRoze | BlakRyke: still looking for the right file. |
| 05:11.19 | ferret_0568 | Why does "list.vcf" always pop up on my desktop? |
| 05:11.25 | canllaith | hey Dark_Apostrophe |
| 05:11.26 | canllaith | erm |
| 05:11.33 | canllaith | Never mind :) |
| 05:12.04 | ferret_0568 | I bet it's related to the stupid "Kontact" app |
| 05:12.07 | Simkin | man i love the svg support in konq |
| 05:12.33 | ferret_0568 | Well...gotta go |
| 05:12.38 | ferret_0568 | off to bed for me |
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| 05:13.26 | Jucato | Lanken: now you know why I'm quite reserved when it comes to KOffice + MS Office formats... |
| 05:13.57 | Jucato | oh well... |
| 05:15.32 | YellowRoze | BlakRyke: I created a new account and it also has only 4 koffice and an empty list of devices that it can create through the create new menu. |
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| 05:29.21 | BlakRyke | yellowrose |
| 05:29.21 | BlakRyke | found the place... |
| 05:29.21 | BlakRyke | templates for new files are usually found in /usr/share/templates. |
| 05:29.21 | BlakRyke | add them there. |
| 05:29.21 | BlakRyke | or you can add a templates folder in ~/.kde/share/templates/ |
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| 05:29.22 | YellowRoze | BlakRyke: /usr/kde/3.5/share/templates <- that folder is empty. I take that as a bad sign. |
| 05:29.22 | BlakRyke | no |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | its per user and partially system wide too. |
| 05:29.23 | YellowRoze | yeah, but the system wide should really have a few templates. |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | go to /home/<youruser>/.kde/share/templates. |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | if the folder dosent exist, then create it. |
| 05:29.23 | YellowRoze | my users don't even have that folder. |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | you can add your own files there. |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | see above ^ |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | create it. |
| 05:29.23 | YellowRoze | but that's out of the point, I don't want to re-add what I need, I want it back to it's defaults. |
| 05:29.23 | BlakRyke | oh. with no OOo templates? |
| 05:29.24 | YellowRoze | I don't have OOo installed, thank you :) |
| 05:29.24 | BlakRyke | oh mmk. |
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| 05:29.26 | BlakRyke | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=115055908800496&w=2 where i got meh info. |
| 05:29.26 | BlakRyke | idk about getting the defaults back. |
| 05:29.26 | BlakRyke | if there not in /usr/share/templates/ that prolly means there is no getting them back.... |
| 05:29.26 | YellowRoze | BlakRyke: /usr/share/templates <- that holds the koffice templates though. |
| 05:29.27 | BlakRyke | lol. |
| 05:29.27 | BlakRyke | anything else? |
| 05:29.27 | YellowRoze | nope, I take it that's the problem. |
| 05:29.27 | BlakRyke | yeah. |
| 05:29.27 | YellowRoze | now I need to find what part of kde holds those so I can reinstall that part alone. |
| 05:29.28 | BlakRyke | kdebase would be my best guess. |
| 05:29.29 | YellowRoze | good guess :) |
| 05:29.29 | YellowRoze | I'll check what files kdebase would've installed. |
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| 05:29.38 | scx | Hi there, how can I enable the 'remember line' in konversation? |
| 05:29.51 | scx | you know [up key] to fill the above text |
| 05:31.17 | BlakRyke | brb. |
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| 05:32.52 | scx | ah got it... |
| 05:33.02 | BlakRyke | what was it? |
| 05:33.03 | scx | :_ |
| 05:34.32 | BlakRyke | oh nermind ctrl r |
| 05:34.34 | scx | "input box expands with text" disables the aforementioned function |
| 05:34.41 | BlakRyke | oh mmk. |
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| 05:36.40 | BlakRyke | yellowrose any luck? |
| 05:36.54 | YellowRoze | trying to re-install kdebase right now. |
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| 05:37.16 | YellowRoze | * kde-base/kdebase |
| 05:37.16 | YellowRoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.16 | YellowRoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.18 | YellowRoze | hahaha :D |
| 05:37.28 | BlakRyke | lol. |
| 05:37.42 | YellowRoze | this must be one of those nice gentoo bugs. |
| 05:37.58 | YellowRoze | kdebase-meta should pull in all things kdebase, but forget the obvious kdebase package :) |
| 05:38.07 | BlakRyke | lol |
| 05:38.28 | BlakRyke | kdebase is the heart and soul of this strange bug excelent desktop. |
| 05:38.33 | BlakRyke | but* |
| 05:38.58 | BlakRyke | and contains the core goodies for konqueror. |
| 05:39.11 | BlakRyke | what distro u in YR? |
| 05:39.27 | YellowRoze | Gentoo |
| 05:40.16 | YellowRoze | ah, I know what it is. |
| 05:40.46 | BlakRyke | what? |
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| 05:40.55 | YellowRoze | kde-base meta pulls in things like kdesktop kdeprint kdialog kdebase-data etc, and kdebase is the one-in-all package since before the so called split-ebuilds. |
| 05:41.04 | YellowRoze | I thikn it's the kdebase-data I need. |
| 05:41.09 | t35t0r | use kdebase-meta |
| 05:41.11 | BlakRyke | im a rpm loser... opensuse (upgraded from fedora 6) |
| 05:41.12 | t35t0r | and split ebuilds |
| 05:41.14 | BlakRyke | lol. |
| 05:41.33 | YellowRoze | t35t0r: I do, but somehow my templates disappeared. |
| 05:41.43 | t35t0r | i don't know what templates you are talking about |
| 05:41.46 | BlakRyke | dependencies are annoying. |
| 05:41.52 | BlakRyke | new file templates. |
| 05:42.24 | YellowRoze | t35t0r: in konqueror, file view, right click and the context meny show "create new -> *". it gets the templates for these new things from /usr/share/templates |
| 05:42.32 | YellowRoze | those templates are missing at the moment. |
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| 05:43.14 | t35t0r | what app adds that template |
| 05:43.20 | t35t0r | i don't have that either |
| 05:43.40 | YellowRoze | I assume it's in kdebase-data, but I'm not sure. re-installing it atm. |
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| 05:53.57 | YellowRoze | t35t0r: kdebase-data did not re-add my templates. |
| 05:54.08 | t35t0r | ok ..well i don't know what templates are nayways |
| 05:54.41 | t35t0r | you're talking about like create new -> openoffice file |
| 05:54.44 | t35t0r | stuff like that? |
| 05:54.47 | t35t0r | ok |
| 05:54.50 | YellowRoze | yeah, but far more basic. |
| 05:54.55 | YellowRoze | like create new -> folder |
| 05:55.00 | YellowRoze | and create new -> text file |
| 05:55.18 | t35t0r | i have those |
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| 05:56.25 | t35t0r | [I--] [ ] kde-base/drkonqi-3.5.5 (3.5) |
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| 05:56.58 | YellowRoze | same do I |
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| 05:57.04 | YellowRoze | do you have the templates? |
| 05:57.10 | t35t0r | http://rafb.net/p/nBxanp15.html equery l kde |
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| 06:23.29 | modd | ? |
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| 07:52.24 | pgquiles_ | a webserver is sending me HTML pages with a bad content-type, therefore Konqueror tells me to save the page. I cannot change the webserver's behaviour. Can I force it to parse the web as HTML? (just like Internet Explorer does) |
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| 07:56.48 | xlotlu | all of a sudden most of the menu items went into lost&found.. and kcontrol shows nothing. any idea what went wrong? |
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| 07:57.55 | PhilRod | xlotlu: rename ~/.config, run "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" and try again. Does that help? |
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| 08:00.01 | sean__ | when i mouse over i get an animation, in the taskbar |
| 08:00.03 | sean__ | how can i get rid of that? |
| 08:00.13 | xlotlu | PhilRod, it at least hints me something's gone awry at system level... getting "*.desktop specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype ...." for everything |
| 08:00.34 | PhilRod | xlotlu: it always gives those errors - don't worry about them |
| 08:01.20 | xlotlu | PhilRod, removed .config, will try logging in/out |
| 08:01.35 | xlotlu | but inly if i could find how to make kde not save the previous session.. |
| 08:01.39 | xlotlu | s/inly/only/ |
| 08:03.12 | PhilRod | control center -> kde componetns -> session maanger |
| 08:03.15 | PhilRod | gah, can't type |
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| 08:05.01 | xlotlu | my control center's *dead* |
| 08:05.05 | xlotlu | nothing showing up there |
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| 08:06.12 | PhilRod | probably a problem with the XDG_* variables |
| 08:06.14 | XVampireX | I hate #kde but I like KDE |
| 08:06.16 | XVampireX | How cool is that? :P |
| 08:06.37 | PhilRod | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.37 | PhilRod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:07.12 | PhilRod | xlotlu: I set those two variables - you might need to do the same (modulo differences in your distro's paths for things) |
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| 08:07.33 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: uhhh... |
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| 08:07.48 | xlotlu | is the Lost&Found an actual directory somewhere? |
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| 08:08.18 | PhilRod | sean__: control center -> desktop -> panels -> appearance -> enable icon mouseover effects |
| 08:08.18 | PhilRod | disable that |
| 08:08.22 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: GANT rocks! |
| 08:08.39 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: Make some more icons |
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| 08:09.40 | Shirakawasuna | I didn't actually make them ;) |
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| 08:09.45 | Shirakawasuna | I organized them into a nice little pack |
| 08:10.23 | Shirakawasuna | and make some requests, I have a humongous list of stuff I wrote down that needs to be added and am having trouble finding specific stuff :) |
| 08:10.31 | PhilRod | my connection just died - what was the last thing I said to the channel that arrived? |
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| 08:11.31 | phratman | 2H< PhilRod> disable that |
| 08:11.37 | phratman | Minus the 2H. |
| 08:11.41 | PhilRod | thanks phratman |
| 08:11.56 | XVampireX | Shirakawasuna: KGet |
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| 08:11.58 | xlotlu | well.. "don't remove .kde they say"... |
| 08:12.05 | XVampireX | And some Ark icons are not complete |
| 08:12.08 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: should be an icon, maybe it's poorly named |
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| 08:12.15 | Shirakawasuna | XVampireX: which ark icons? |
| 08:12.38 | XVampireX | extract and so on |
| 08:13.53 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 08:13.59 | Shirakawasuna | I'll see if those are easy to fix |
| 08:14.40 | Shirakawasuna | and kget should definitely have a GANT icon |
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| 08:16.48 | XVampireX | Yeah |
| 08:17.26 | Simeon_H | bah |
| 08:17.32 | Simeon_H | we started maths B today |
| 08:17.35 | Shirakawasuna | no I mean kget *does* have an icon on my box :) |
| 08:17.47 | Simeon_H | now I have to learn how to do differential calculus ;_; |
| 08:17.54 | Shirakawasuna | Simeon_H: yay! |
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| 08:18.11 | xlotlu | ok, removing .kde didn't fix it |
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| 08:18.24 | Simeon_H | wish I could remember the multiplication table |
| 08:18.29 | Simeon_H | bah who needs it |
| 08:18.35 | Shirakawasuna | Simeon_H: whaaa? |
| 08:18.36 | Simeon_H | I've got my trusty 'ol calculator |
| 08:18.42 | Shirakawasuna | Simeon_H: quick, 13x14! |
| 08:18.48 | Simeon_H | umm |
| 08:18.54 | Simeon_H | 182 |
| 08:19.00 | Simeon_H | ooh |
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| 08:19.03 | Simeon_H | I'm umm |
| 08:19.06 | Shirakawasuna | 12*14 |
| 08:19.09 | Simeon_H | on a slow connection :P |
| 08:19.16 | Shirakawasuna | cheater! |
| 08:19.16 | xlotlu | this only happened after i installed the gtk-qt-engine.. and that really doesn't make much sense... |
| 08:19.18 | Simeon_H | 168 |
| 08:19.28 | Simeon_H | and my calculator wasn't on... wait |
| 08:19.29 | Simeon_H | dammit |
| 08:20.14 | Simeon_H | well I'll have you know I could count to 100 in 2s, 3s, 4s and fives when I was 4 years old |
| 08:20.26 | Simeon_H | and hadn't started school |
| 08:20.40 | xlotlu | all of a sudden etch gives me an ubuntu feeling |
| 08:20.40 | Shirakawasuna | the derivative of 4x(x^.5)! |
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| 08:21.02 | Simeon_H | umm |
| 08:21.03 | Simeon_H | no |
| 08:21.12 | Shirakawasuna | do it..... |
| 08:21.13 | Simeon_H | I can do boolean algebra |
| 08:21.15 | Simeon_H | :D |
| 08:21.16 | Simeon_H | can you? |
| 08:22.30 | Shirakawasuna | I used to |
| 08:22.41 | Shirakawasuna | then I quickly forgot it |
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| 08:24.46 | Simeon_H | hi Scott5114 |
| 08:24.47 | Simeon_H | :D |
| 08:25.07 | Scott5114 | Simeon_H: I assume you're watching #wikipedia ? :P |
| 08:25.20 | Simeon_H | yup |
| 08:28.37 | xlotlu | crap, i wonder what silly package did this sh*t........ |
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| 08:29.10 | xlotlu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:29.31 | xlotlu | malformed xml and everything gets broken |
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| 08:31.06 | XVampireX | Scott5114: What's so great about #wikipedia ? |
| 08:31.07 | xlotlu | or if my system is gonna die soon and does partial file writes o.O |
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| 08:35.16 | sredna | <grmbl>kontact should do proper session management</grmbl> |
| 08:35.17 | axion | I am currently using slackware-current with kde 3.5.6 k3b 1.0.1 with a ide-plextor- and some scsi-cd burners and my system freezes up upon finishing the burn |
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| 08:37.03 | XVampireX | axion: Sounds like alsa problem? :P |
| 08:37.11 | XVampireX | Just kidding, ask the k3b dev |
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| 08:38.55 | axion | hmm.. where is the k3b-dev channel ? |
| 08:39.06 | XVampireX | I'd tell you if I'd knew |
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| 08:39.41 | axion | currently I am trying to debug the problem |
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| 08:45.44 | YellowRoze | Does anyone here know where in the kdesource (which module/section/package/part) the templates that go to /usr/share/templates belongs? |
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| 08:46.11 | annma | templates? |
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| 08:46.38 | annma | ok I see them |
| 08:46.48 | annma | in $KDEDIR/share/templates |
| 08:46.53 | annma | I have some from KOffice |
| 08:47.28 | annma | and some from various apps such as Kamera |
| 08:47.29 | YellowRoze | annma: My install seems broken because I no longer have the "create new -> folder/text-file" context menu, and only a few koffice ones. |
| 08:47.32 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, what distro do you have? |
| 08:47.52 | YellowRoze | I was here and discusses it earlier today, and we found where adn what is missing, but not how to re-install/restore them |
| 08:47.55 | YellowRoze | xlotlu: gentoo linux |
| 08:48.51 | annma | gentto does not keep the sources after you do 'emerge'? |
| 08:48.56 | annma | gentoo |
| 08:49.14 | annma | if it does, just do a make install in kdelibs and kdebase for a start |
| 08:49.37 | annma | if not, ask in #gentoo how to repair your install |
| 08:49.42 | YellowRoze | annma: it only keeps the packaged sources, not the ones used and configured. |
| 08:49.58 | annma | stupid way of doinf things then |
| 08:50.09 | annma | I don't see the point of having sources then |
| 08:50.12 | YellowRoze | annma: I tried talking in #gentoo, but I am really only interested where in kde those templates are stored, so I can re-install that part on it's own. |
| 08:50.29 | xlotlu | well maybe someone with debian and a lot of templates can do dpkg -S /usr/share/templates/* | awk -F: '{print $1}' | uniq and tell you what packages provide those |
| 08:50.32 | annma | grep in your sources |
| 08:50.50 | YellowRoze | I'll just unpack the sources and look in it. |
| 08:50.55 | annma | use grep |
| 08:51.05 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, all my templates come from kdesktop |
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| 08:51.38 | YellowRoze | xlotlu: I tried reinstalling kdesktop, do uyou have the emptydir template, and if so, what version of kdesktop do you have? |
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| 08:52.39 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, yup, i have /usr/share/templates/Directory.desktop -- 3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 |
| 08:53.14 | xlotlu | well it's kde 3.5.5, all its packages will be 3.5.5 |
| 08:53.29 | YellowRoze | ok, then it's the 3.5.6 update that broke it, I'll try to look in the ebuild and see if I can make some sense of it, maybe it just misplaced them. |
| 08:53.56 | YellowRoze | xlotlu: could you give me a copy of your Directory.desktop currently all I need is the new folder creation, just in case I won't solve this for a while. |
| 08:54.31 | vbgunz | where are the krita users hanging out at? |
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| 08:54.53 | annma | vbgunz: in #koffice |
| 08:54.58 | annma | for users and devels |
| 08:55.04 | vbgunz | annma: thanks :) |
| 08:55.09 | annma | you're welcome |
| 08:55.17 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, need any i18n name? |
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| 08:55.55 | YellowRoze | xlotlu: no, just the part of it that enables me to make fodlers though konq not having to go to akonsole and mkdir them >_< |
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| 08:57.10 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, http://dpaste.com/8895/ |
| 08:57.19 | YellowRoze | thanks |
| 08:57.36 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, hope your .source/emptydir is not messed though :) |
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| 08:58.00 | ma_b | Hello. Which channel is the best for KMail questions? |
| 08:59.00 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, just in case you don't have that, you need to mkdir -p /usr/share/templates/.source/emptydir |
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| 08:59.20 | annma | ma_b: #kontact is for Kontact apps but often there are no answers so here is OK as well |
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| 08:59.45 | YellowRoze | xlotlu: thanks, I made a folder now, but I can't remove it, will look into that ^-^ |
| 09:01.02 | YellowRoze | interesting, konqueror can't remove the folder but a normal rm can. |
| 09:01.04 | xlotlu | how can i make the busy cursor when launching an application not show the app icon, but the default busy cursor? |
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| 09:01.14 | YellowRoze | anyawy, I guess it's a bout time I do a complete rebuild of kde anyway. |
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| 09:01.42 | YellowRoze | xlotlu: control center -> appearance -> launch feedback |
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| 09:01.59 | YellowRoze | that's all the options we seem to have atm. |
| 09:02.11 | xlotlu | YellowRoze, that's just to switch between no busy cursor and various types of animations of the app icon |
| 09:02.20 | YellowRoze | yeah, noticed. |
| 09:02.21 | YellowRoze | evil. |
| 09:02.31 | YellowRoze | anyway, thanks for all the help, I'll be off now. |
| 09:02.42 | xlotlu | i somehow used to have the usual busy cursor, can't remember how though |
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| 09:04.27 | Fri13 | xlotlu: just disable that feedback and you get nomal busy cursor as cursor theme gives. |
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| 09:05.45 | xlotlu | Fri13, i get no busy cursor whatsoever with that disabled, and the theme has one |
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| 09:06.11 | Fri13 | xlotlu: i get it, have you restarted X to be sure? |
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| 09:06.29 | xlotlu | i think it's in the performance settings you get to choose in the wizard... can't find those settings though |
| 09:07.15 | xlotlu | will try restarting X.. sometime |
| 09:07.19 | Fri13 | Is there way to have a joined refresh/stop button to konqueror as Kubuntu have on normal KDE? |
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| 09:08.43 | xlotlu | anyway. what i really wanted to know.... is there a "backport" of oxygen to 3.x? or is the icon naming fully compatible? |
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| 09:09.14 | annma | xlotlu: look in kde-look.org |
| 09:09.29 | annma | the one from kde svn trunk is probably not compatible |
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| 09:10.11 | xlotlu | annma, nothing there |
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| 09:10.26 | annma | xlotlu: so there's no backport then |
| 09:10.40 | tsb | How does kde/kdm autostart things? It ignores .xinit/.xsession |
| 09:11.05 | xlotlu | somebody should make one (/me checks the korganizer... :) ) |
| 09:11.41 | xlotlu | tsb, ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 09:12.01 | tsb | xlotlu: right. is that compatible with .xsession though? can I just symlink it? |
| 09:12.23 | xlotlu | and kdm shouldn't ignore .xsession |
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| 09:13.18 | xlotlu | tsb, do you want a different window manager (desktop environment) started from kdm? or you want to start apps automatically at login in kde? |
| 09:14.16 | tsb | xlotlu: I run 'xset' in .xsession, which works fine in icewm etc. However if I use kdm it is ignored. I'm logging into kde from kdm. |
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| 09:14.20 | theblackbox | hello? I've somehow managed to remove the K program menu from my panel, anyone know how I go about putting it back? |
| 09:14.47 | annma | theblackbox: you still have the K icon? |
| 09:14.58 | theblackbox | nope, it's disappeared |
| 09:15.06 | annma | right click on kicker |
| 09:15.21 | xlotlu | theblackbox, right click on the panel -> add applet to pannel -> k menu |
| 09:15.24 | annma | Add Application to Panel |
| 09:15.25 | tsb | xlotlu: I basically just want kdm to exec .xsession I guess - can I just do `~/.xsession` in ~/kde/Autostart ? |
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| 09:15.48 | xlotlu | tsb, no, that needs to contain .desktop files |
| 09:15.49 | annma | Add Applet -> K Menu |
| 09:16.03 | tsb | xlotlu: how would I do it without duplicating this then? |
| 09:16.08 | theblackbox | annma: excelent, I was looking around there, but didn't realise it was an applet. Thanks |
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| 09:16.27 | tsb | xlotlu: I don't see why kdm/kde ignores these init files |
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| 09:16.48 | Helmut_ | hi all |
| 09:17.04 | xlotlu | tsb, you'd just write a .desktop file (copy another file if you're not familiar with the format), and give it Exec=/path/to/your/stuff |
| 09:17.40 | Worf | tsb: i'm not really sure, but i suspect ~.xsession is just meant for startx and not for {k|g|x}dm |
| 09:18.02 | tsb | tsb: yes, I still think they could be executed though |
| 09:18.06 | xlotlu | tsb, i think gnome ignores it too if it makes you feel better :) |
| 09:18.09 | xlotlu | what Worf said |
| 09:18.20 | tsb | xlotlu: so I have to have a fake icon on the desktop then to autostart this? |
| 09:18.39 | xlotlu | tsb, try stopping kdm, and startkde from console. they'll probably be taken into account |
| 09:18.41 | tsb | xlotlu: a bit, but not much. gnome sucks anyway. :) |
| 09:19.10 | xlotlu | tsb, not on the desktop, but in .desktop format. it's a standard |
| 09:20.00 | xlotlu | everything in the menus are .desktop files in all modern window managers |
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| 09:21.11 | dokma | hi all |
| 09:21.23 | dokma | I'm missing the 'extract here' menu option |
| 09:21.29 | dokma | is that in some package? |
| 09:21.43 | annma | you need ark I think |
| 09:21.49 | dokma | I have it |
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| 09:22.08 | dokma | are u saying 'extract here' is inserted by ark package? |
| 09:22.43 | annma | not sure |
| 09:23.01 | dokma | any1 ? |
| 09:23.04 | annma | do you have 'Open with ark'? |
| 09:23.10 | dokma | yes |
| 09:23.25 | annma | and under that, what do you have? |
| 09:23.39 | dokma | it's not a node it's a leaf |
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| 09:44.27 | Caster | why does kwrite always squash my settings |
| 09:44.48 | annma | define 'squash' |
| 09:45.26 | Caster | I set editor settings to what I need, and later if I reopen kwrite they're gone |
| 09:45.46 | Caster | and it's default again |
| 09:45.51 | annma | what setting for example? |
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| 09:46.24 | Caster | it doesn't happen on each reopen, I have no idea what causes it :/ |
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| 09:46.46 | annma | ok, please open kwrite and change a setting |
| 09:46.51 | annma | tell me which one please |
| 09:46.56 | dokma | I figure where the 'extract here' menu items are |
| 09:47.06 | dokma | in kdeaddons package |
| 09:47.06 | annma | dokma: yes? where? |
| 09:47.07 | n8schicht | is there any way to make kopete connect with a special status? like invisible? especially for the icq-accounts... or maybe there is a plugin for that?? |
| 09:47.13 | Caster | like the tabulators, or backup on save, show static word wrap marker |
| 09:47.16 | annma | dokma: isn't ark in there? |
| 09:47.27 | dokma | obviously not in debian |
| 09:47.40 | dokma | let me check if I have separate ark package |
| 09:48.44 | annma | Caster: ok so you checked the show static word wrap marker, right? |
| 09:48.53 | dokma | yes my ark is a separate package on debian |
| 09:48.58 | dokma | that was the problem |
| 09:49.04 | dokma | thank you annma |
| 09:49.06 | Caster | annma: yes |
| 09:49.19 | annma | Caster: close kwrite and reopen it |
| 09:49.25 | annma | is the setting kept? |
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| 09:49.51 | pusling | dokma: if you don't have ark in debian, you haven't installed 'kde' but a subset of it .... |
| 09:49.54 | Caster | yeah, now it is |
| 09:49.57 | Caster | it happens randomly |
| 09:50.13 | dokma | pusling I do have ark |
| 09:50.22 | dokma | I was not having 'extract here' |
| 09:50.30 | Caster | I thought of some other program using katepart that squashes it, but dunno which |
| 09:50.32 | dokma | it is separated into kdeaddons in debian |
| 09:50.45 | pusling | dokma: kdeaddons is seperated by kde. not by debian. |
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| 09:51.38 | dokma | I see |
| 09:51.41 | annma | Caster: ok please open a terminal (Konsole) |
| 09:51.48 | annma | pusling: no |
| 09:52.02 | dokma | I have a feel that 'extract here' should go with ark |
| 09:52.04 | annma | kdeaddons is a module for kde |
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| 09:52.07 | dokma | but then again |
| 09:52.11 | dokma | who can tell for sure |
| 09:52.17 | annma | Caster: are you in konsole? |
| 09:52.40 | pusling | annma: yeah. kdeaddons is a module for kde - and stuff from there is not in a ark package |
| 09:53.25 | dokma | thank you folks |
| 09:53.29 | dokma | you are very helpful |
| 09:53.38 | annma | Caster: do you have a konsole open? |
| 09:53.45 | Caster | annma: yeah |
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| 09:54.25 | annma | Caster: please copy/paste the following in Konsole |
| 09:54.28 | annma | grep 'Word Wrap Marker' ~/.kde/share/config/kwriterc |
| 09:54.43 | annma | hit enter and paste me the output please |
| 09:54.56 | Caster | true |
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| 09:56.07 | annma | Caster: so the setting is written here |
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| 09:56.32 | annma | Caster: if kwrite opens once again without it being kept go look in there if it is still true |
| 09:56.42 | Caster | ok |
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| 10:42.32 | mrigns | ~boring |
| 10:42.38 | apt | yes, you are mrigns |
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| 11:04.20 | Abnaxos | Hi, is there any fix for the multihead problem of khotkeys (works only either on display :0.0 or :0.1, not both)? |
| 11:04.26 | Abnaxos | (using KDE 3.5.6) |
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| 11:23.14 | mariux | is there nothing i can do about the flickering'o'rama that is konq icon view with big icons |
| 11:23.20 | mariux | ? |
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| 11:24.57 | annma | icwiener_: ping |
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| 11:25.08 | qR4c^d4d0 | hi |
| 11:26.52 | jomppa | hey, i've got a problem with fonts: konqueror can't show all e.g. CJK characters while it works in firefox. running arch if it's important |
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| 11:48.21 | lilalinux | how do I make konsole use iso-8859-1 as keyboard input? |
| 11:48.46 | lilalinux | I'm using debian etch which uses utf-8 as default |
| 11:49.08 | lilalinux | which is fine, but I need latin1 for terminals |
| 11:49.57 | annma | using bash? |
| 11:50.51 | jomppa | lilalinux: settings -> encoding? |
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| 11:51.53 | lilalinux | annma: yes |
| 11:52.07 | lilalinux | jomppa: that seems only to influence the display of charachters |
| 11:52.19 | lilalinux | I need to send latin1 |
| 11:52.30 | annma | how come? |
| 11:52.46 | lilalinux | annma: bash correctly handles unicode, but e.g. mc doesn't |
| 11:52.57 | annma | mc? |
| 11:53.01 | lilalinux | midnight commander |
| 11:53.22 | annma | mc in konsole? |
| 11:53.26 | lilalinux | yes |
| 11:53.30 | lilalinux | mcedit |
| 11:53.36 | lilalinux | to be exactly |
| 11:53.41 | annma | so it's an mcedit problem maybe |
| 11:53.43 | annma | hi Jucato |
| 11:54.00 | lilalinux | annma: yes, and the problem is, that it doesn't understand utf-8 |
| 11:54.19 | lilalinux | that's why I want the terminal to send latin1 |
| 11:54.39 | annma | lilalinux: isn"t there any doc for this mcedit? |
| 11:54.56 | lilalinux | annma: I wish |
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| 11:55.20 | lilalinux | it's old and there haven't been changes since a long time |
| 11:55.30 | lilalinux | it was "cooledit" in the past |
| 11:55.47 | qR4c^d4d0 | http://nopaste.info/e91becd892.html anybody? |
| 11:55.58 | lilalinux | otoh, vi also doesn't like utf-8 |
| 11:56.11 | lilalinux | what editor do you recommend? |
| 11:56.29 | lilalinux | hm, maybe emacs |
| 11:57.11 | lilalinux | nope, emacs doesn't like german umlauts too |
| 11:57.50 | annma | emacs is able to work in any language surely |
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| 11:59.57 | lilalinux | oh, actually it _is_ latin1 O_o |
| 12:00.36 | lilalinux | when I do "echo " > /tmp/umlaute and then a hexdump, the file contains latin1 chars |
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| 12:00.56 | annma | :) |
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| 12:01.17 | lilalinux | then I don't understand, why mcedit doesn't like it |
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| 12:03.00 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know how I set up programs to start when my KDE session starts? |
| 12:03.52 | styrmis | NefariousPrior: Put symlinks to the programs in ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 12:04.15 | styrmis | Or, write a script that executes the progams and put that in the same folder (I use a combination of scripts and links) |
| 12:04.20 | NefariousPrior | and if the app needs areguments? |
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| 12:04.27 | NefariousPrior | ahh |
| 12:04.48 | Jucato | ~autostart |
| 12:04.50 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560261 - or, if you want a GUI - http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=45975 |
| 12:05.09 | Jucato | hm.. apt seems to be slow today... |
| 12:05.16 | Jucato | ~startup |
| 12:05.18 | apt | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script' do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which ... |
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| 12:05.49 | Jucato | NefariousPrior: right-click in ~/.kde/Autostart, select Create New -> Link to Application |
| 12:05.55 | Jucato | you can fill in the necessary fields |
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| 12:08.03 | NefariousPrior | Jucato: Even arguments? |
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| 12:08.29 | Jucato | NefariousPrior: yes |
| 12:08.44 | NefariousPrior | sweet |
| 12:08.55 | Jucato | or if you're more comfortable, you can go with scripts as styrmis mentioned |
| 12:09.19 | Jucato | then there's also kcontrol-autostart, an app made by smileaf that gives you a KControl module for doing all these |
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| 12:14.35 | NefariousPrior | Jucato: I told it to start in a terminal so I didn't get the bouncy loading icon forever... but how do I tell it to run minimized so I don't have a freaking console on my screen for 30secs? |
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| 12:29.13 | kunalagon | is there any k3b channel aroud ? I want to ask how to solve problem : cdrececord without root priveleges or something |
| 12:29.23 | kunalagon | I dont have K3BSetup |
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| 12:29.51 | annma | kunalagon: why not? |
| 12:30.01 | kunalagon | because I dont have kde |
| 12:30.30 | annma | K3bsetup is a dialog |
| 12:30.37 | kunalagon | I think I have to set some permision or something |
| 12:30.44 | kunalagon | annma, and where is that dialog ? |
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| 12:31.06 | annma | ask your distro maybe |
| 12:31.49 | kunalagon | oh |
| 12:31.49 | annma | for me it comes from extragear/multimedia/k3b |
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| 12:36.42 | styrmis | kunalagon: doesn't the dialog complaining about privileges have a button with which to start k3bsetup? |
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| 12:55.06 | kunalagon | styrmis, I solved, I just chmod 4711 cdrecord |
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| 12:57.07 | M_Fatih | how can i add mp3 support to kaffeine cd encoder? |
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| 12:57.46 | styrmis | kunalagon: if you run into difficulties then you may need to check the permissions of your cd/dvd devices too (another task that k3bsetup handles) |
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| 13:00.57 | frano486 | c' qualche italiano? |
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| 13:02.34 | busfahrer | Anybody here using the mplayerthumbs addon? |
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| 13:11.13 | jomppa | i've got a problem with fonts: konqueror can't show all e.g. CJK characters while it works in firefox. running arch if it's important |
| 13:12.02 | styrmis | jomppa: What have you done to try and fix the problem so far? |
| 13:12.58 | jomppa | i've tried to find where to switch the font in konqueror |
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| 13:13.25 | styrmis | Choosing your fonts in the control centre will affect all KDE applications afaik |
| 13:13.41 | jomppa | yeah but not the page i'm browsing? |
| 13:15.19 | styrmis | I've just tried myself, and it's not working for me either |
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| 13:15.43 | styrmis | However, in the past when I've switched to Japanese for the whole interface, it has worked well |
| 13:15.57 | styrmis | I would guess that it's not the font and rather your locale that's the problem |
| 13:16.13 | jomppa | well some characters do show up |
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| 13:16.18 | jomppa | some don't |
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| 13:17.07 | styrmis | Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Appearance -> Font ? |
| 13:17.52 | jomppa | "You can configure how Konqueror looks as a file manager here", it says |
| 13:18.17 | styrmis | Ha, so it does. I'm sorry, I don't use Konqueror for browsing |
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| 13:18.53 | jomppa | but why would it be a locale problem if it works in firefox? |
| 13:19.27 | jomppa | but for example in case of japanese, hiraganas and katakanas show up correctly, the kanjis don't work |
| 13:19.50 | jomppa | and some korean hangul characters work |
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| 13:22.32 | jomppa | woah, i found a CJK font package which wasn't installed |
| 13:22.41 | jomppa | will try that |
| 13:22.56 | jomppa | hmm, i thought i had installed all the necessary fonts |
| 13:23.27 | jomppa | no bonus for me |
| 13:23.31 | jomppa | doesn't work |
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| 13:26.36 | oMish | i have kde with pdf open from some http location. how can I show and select the full url ? |
| 13:26.48 | oMish | i see it partially in the title, but it is truncated |
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| 14:03.34 | decaffeinated | How do I set startup applications in KDE? |
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| 14:30.33 | firsm | Hi, I'm trying to have an unique taskbar for each of my virtual desktop, but I can't find the setting, can anyone point me in the right direction please? |
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| 14:36.15 | deego | (using kde in debian etch). How do I get a simple volume button in KDE? (like one has in windoze) |
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| 14:36.28 | logixoul | run kmix |
| 14:36.44 | stoned | I like the mac style desktop menu bar |
| 14:36.49 | stoned | but it only works with kde apps |
| 14:36.54 | stoned | anyway to make it work with firefox |
| 14:37.02 | stoned | or it just wont? |
| 14:37.18 | deego | Yeah, kmix opens a large menu one of whose buttons helps control volume. But I was hoping for a single isolated button that sits in the panel.. |
| 14:37.44 | logixoul | deego: you mean you want the complete slider to sit in your panel? |
| 14:37.56 | logixoul | stoned: certainly not with firefox. if it were a normal GTK app, you'd have a chance |
| 14:38.17 | stoned | logixoul: why not with firefox, do you know the technicalities of it? |
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| 14:38.26 | stoned | logixoul: isn't firefox also based on gtk? |
| 14:38.36 | stoned | at least it uses gtk |
| 14:38.38 | stoned | i think |
| 14:38.43 | deego | logixoul: no, just one button, which when I click on, converts to a single slider that I can then move. |
| 14:38.54 | deego | .. a single slider just for volume. |
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| 14:39.33 | logixoul | stoned: I'm familiar with Firefox's innards, yeah. it uses only the drawing functionality from GTK -- for the actual widgets it uses Mozilla's own XUL toolkit. |
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| 14:40.30 | logixoul | stoned: and the only menu applet other than KDE's mac-style menubar with this functionality is a one for GTK apps, using gnome-panel. |
| 14:40.56 | logixoul | stoned: of course, it doesn't recognize XUL widgets any more than it recognizes a screenshot of them. |
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| 14:41.30 | logixoul | deego: I've never seen this in windows. is it new in vista? |
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| 14:41.52 | stoned | ohh |
| 14:41.54 | logixoul | deego: anyway, you can't do it in kde. |
| 14:41.54 | stoned | I get it |
| 14:42.22 | RushPL | btw. anyone know if it's possible for superkaramba to use real transparency ? |
| 14:42.34 | logixoul | RushPL: no, it isn't. |
| 14:42.36 | deego | logixoul: no, I've seen it in every windows from 2k to XP - it sits at the bottom right. |
| 14:42.41 | RushPL | eh, the faked one sucks so much I even can't stand it |
| 14:42.41 | deego | logixoul: but thanks |
| 14:42.58 | deego | I am looking trying asmix and volume.app atm, both of which promise to do so |
| 14:43.58 | logixoul | deego: every windows from 2k on just opens a very small, simple window with 1 slider. you then use that to adjust the volume (or mute) |
| 14:44.00 | deego | asmix is cool, but now, if only I could make it sit in a panel.. |
| 14:44.11 | deego | logixoul: yeah, that's what I am looking for |
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| 14:44.32 | logixoul | aah, well of course then. it's even the default mode. |
| 14:44.35 | logixoul | wait |
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| 14:45.12 | logixoul | so you mean to say that your kmix opens the full-blown window with all the sliders on left click? |
| 14:45.19 | deego | logixoul: yes :( |
| 14:45.29 | logixoul | KDE 3.5.6? |
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| 14:46.49 | deego | logixoul: kde: 5:47 from debian etch kmix: Installed: 4:3.5.5-2 |
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| 14:48.10 | logixoul | deego: KMix»Settings»Configure KMix...»Enable system tray volume control |
| 14:48.56 | deego | Ah, thanks logixoul |
| 14:48.58 | deego | logixoul++ |
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| 14:51.22 | stoned | I LOVE NUVOLA! |
| 14:51.26 | stoned | beautiful icon theme |
| 14:51.47 | stoned | nuvola in my language means this nasty little rodent like animal |
| 14:51.53 | stoned | you know, the one that hunts snakes |
| 14:51.56 | stoned | the snake hunter |
| 14:52.00 | stoned | the snake eater |
| 14:52.03 | MinceR | mongoose? |
| 14:52.07 | stoned | i think so |
| 14:52.12 | stoned | i dunno what is in enligh |
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| 14:52.45 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:52.45 | stoned | @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ |
| 14:52.45 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:52.45 | stoned | The RSA host key for desktop has changed, |
| 14:52.47 | stoned | and the key for the according IP address 192.168.2.10 |
| 14:52.50 | stoned | is unknown. This could either mean that |
| 14:52.52 | stoned | DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host |
| 14:52.55 | stoned | and its host key have changed at the same time. |
| 14:52.57 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:53.00 | stoned | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 14:53.02 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:53.05 | stoned | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 14:53.07 | stoned | Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! |
| 14:53.10 | stoned | It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. |
| 14:53.12 | stoned | The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is |
| 14:53.15 | stoned | 16:04:0d:15:b7:e0:fd:ae:7c:ea:6b:69:55:95:9f:d3. |
| 14:53.17 | stoned | Please contact your system administrator. |
| 14:53.20 | stoned | Add correct host key in /home/stoned/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 14:53.22 | stoned | Offending key in /home/stoned/.ssh/known_hosts:3 |
| 14:53.25 | stoned | RSA host key for desktop has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 14:53.27 | stoned | Host key verification failed. |
| 14:53.30 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:53.32 | stoned | @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ |
| 14:53.35 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:53.37 | stoned | The RSA host key for desktop has changed, |
| 14:53.40 | stoned | and the key for the according IP address 192.168.2.10 |
| 14:53.43 | stoned | is unknown. This could either mean that |
| 14:53.45 | stoned | DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host |
| 14:53.48 | stoned | and its host key have changed at the same time. |
| 14:53.50 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:53.52 | stoned | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 14:53.55 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:53.57 | stoned | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 14:54.00 | stoned | Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! |
| 14:54.02 | stoned | It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. |
| 14:54.05 | stoned | The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is |
| 14:54.07 | stoned | 16:04:0d:15:b7:e0:fd:ae:7c:ea:6b:69:55:95:9f:d3. |
| 14:54.09 | peppe | WHAT THE **** |
| 14:54.10 | stoned | Please contact your system administrator. |
| 14:54.13 | stoned | Add correct host key in /home/stoned/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 14:54.15 | stoned | Offending key in /home/stoned/.ssh/known_hosts:3 |
| 14:54.17 | stoned | RSA host key for desktop has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 14:54.20 | stoned | Host key verification failed. |
| 14:54.22 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:54.25 | stoned | @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ |
| 14:54.27 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:54.30 | stoned | The RSA host key for desktop has changed, |
| 14:54.33 | stoned | and the key for the according IP address 192.168.2.10 |
| 14:54.35 | stoned | is unknown. This could either mean that |
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| 14:54.37 | stoned | DNS SPOOFING is happening or the IP address for the host |
| 14:54.40 | stoned | and its host key have changed at the same time. |
| 14:54.42 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:54.45 | stoned | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 14:54.48 | stoned | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 14:54.50 | stoned | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 14:54.53 | stoned | Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! |
| 14:54.55 | stoned | It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. |
| 14:54.57 | stoned | The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is |
| 14:55.00 | stoned | 16:04:0d:15:b7:e0:fd:ae:7c:ea:6b:69:55:95:9f:d3. |
| 14:55.02 | stoned | Please contact your system administrator. |
| 14:55.05 | stoned | Add correct host key in /home/stoned/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 14:55.05 | AllenJB|2 | stoned: Quit IRC please. |
| 14:55.07 | stoned | Offending key in /home/stoned/.ssh/known_hosts:3 |
| 14:55.10 | stoned | RSA host key for desktop has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 14:55.12 | stoned | Host key verification failed. |
| 14:55.15 | stoned | mp3: - - |
| 14:55.17 | stoned | oh |
| 14:55.21 | stoned | fuck |
| 14:55.25 | stoned | wtf |
| 14:55.28 | stoned | what the hell was that! |
| 14:55.30 | stoned | fuck sorry |
| 14:55.33 | stoned | my bad |
| 14:55.37 | stoned | i dunno |
| 14:55.39 | x_link | No... it's my bad |
| 14:55.40 | stoned | no i have to regen the key |
| 14:55.41 | x_link | ;D |
| 14:55.42 | stoned | i moved and added a few routers on my network and i forgot to update my ssh key |
| 14:55.45 | stoned | im fine |
| 14:55.50 | stoned | it just flooded cuz of an alias in irssi |
| 14:55.52 | stoned | sorry about that it was unexpected |
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| 14:56.19 | agent | stoned: You should not use flood aliases ;) |
| 14:56.22 | stoned | last time canllaith walked me through setting up passwordless ssh |
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| 14:56.26 | stoned | agent: I didn't mean to |
| 14:56.43 | stoned | let me delete the key, regen it, and copy it back in .ssh |
| 14:56.51 | agent | stoned: I meant that you should not even have them. |
| 14:57.29 | stoned | mp3 = "/exec - -o echo \"mp3: `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player title`\""; |
| 14:57.33 | stoned | this is my alias |
| 14:57.38 | stoned | i wanted to share this Bach piece I was listening to |
| 14:57.44 | stoned | I forgot that my config changed a bit |
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| 14:58.12 | stoned | so it flooded cuz of ssh key mismatch |
| 14:58.21 | stoned | you get it now? like i said, totally my bad |
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| 14:58.28 | agent | stoned: You should not share what you are listening to either. That is spam. :) |
| 14:58.35 | stoned | agent: no |
| 14:58.38 | stoned | it is not pointless |
| 14:58.43 | stoned | neither is it annyoing, |
| 14:58.45 | stoned | it is not stupid |
| 14:58.49 | stoned | but yes, it is a message |
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| 14:59.12 | agent | In other words: spam. :D |
| 14:59.19 | stoned | if you say so |
| 14:59.28 | logixoul | it only becomes spam when it reaches silly proportions :) |
| 14:59.35 | agent | I do. |
| 14:59.47 | smileaf | >3 messages by 1 person in a row to some is considered spam too ;) |
| 14:59.48 | stoned | agent: and i don't want to be rude to you, but shush. |
| 15:00.49 | agent | Think what would happen if all 500 people had a spam "I am listening to"... That would be nasty. |
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| 15:01.02 | stoned | agent: you're being an ahole |
| 15:01.28 | stoned | agent: I've been here for a long time and hardly ever do I do this.. i understand what you're saying, but stop. |
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| 15:02.09 | stoned | agent: you should say the same thing to people who come in here and say, "hi" |
| 15:02.16 | stoned | "oh what happens if 500 people say hi" |
| 15:02.23 | stoned | c'mon man, be a bit more non-anal |
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| 15:05.07 | smileaf | Hi!~ |
| 15:05.21 | smileaf | imagine if everyone did that =p |
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| 15:05.56 | smileaf | see its scaring Zword and jamaur away |
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| 15:07.12 | Jucato | hi smileaf |
| 15:07.17 | smileaf | Hey Jucato! |
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| 15:07.36 | asraniel | hi there, i wanted to know if the new effects in kwin are for kde4 or kde 3.5.x ? |
| 15:07.40 | logixoul | kde4 |
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| 15:08.05 | asraniel | :-( |
| 15:08.13 | asraniel | so we wont see them for a very long time |
| 15:08.17 | logixoul | yeah. |
| 15:08.22 | Jucato | until october (hopefully) |
| 15:08.25 | logixoul | in the meantime there's beryl. |
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| 15:09.04 | wireddd | kicker keeps hanging, and I can't figure out why, does kicker write anything to a log file somewhere? |
| 15:09.31 | decaffeinated | Hey, does anyone know how to prevent Kopete from launching at startup? |
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| 15:09.52 | logixoul | wireddd: not sure, but try first shutting it down by `dcop kicker kicker quit` and then launching it from a terminal |
| 15:10.01 | logixoul | decaffeinated: exit it. |
| 15:10.16 | logixoul | i.e. quit it. |
| 15:10.34 | wireddd | I am already launching it from a terminal |
| 15:10.38 | decaffeinated | Ah, so it just launches all of the stuff I had open? |
| 15:10.49 | Gentle_ | yes |
| 15:10.50 | logixoul | decaffeinated: by default, yes. |
| 15:11.01 | logixoul | decaffeinated: it's called Session Management |
| 15:11.12 | wireddd | I have a I have to kill -SIGKILL it |
| 15:11.25 | wireddd | err I have to |
| 15:11.36 | logixoul | wireddd: don't kill it, just quit it. it's cleaner. |
| 15:11.38 | decaffeinated | logixoul: Found the setting, thanks. :) |
| 15:11.43 | logixoul | decaffeinated: np. |
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| 15:12.27 | wireddd | logixoul: that may be but dcop kicker kicker quit doesn't kill it |
| 15:12.41 | logixoul | hmm weird |
| 15:12.45 | logixoul | ok kill it then |
| 15:13.11 | wireddd | this is repeatable, I just want to figure out why so I can file a bug report |
| 15:13.41 | logixoul | oh. I think you need to run it under gdb then. |
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| 15:13.47 | wireddd | ok |
| 15:13.53 | [Kebianizao] | Hello |
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| 15:14.11 | logixoul | hi kebi |
| 15:14.25 | Kebianizao | :) |
| 15:14.41 | Kebianizao | why am I supposed to restart kde when I enable transparencies |
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| 15:14.51 | Kebianizao | isn't it enough with loading kompmgr? |
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| 15:15.17 | logixoul | it should be enough. the warning that tells you to restart is an over-precaution I think. |
| 15:15.32 | Kebianizao | then we agree |
| 15:15.36 | logixoul | yep |
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| 15:15.48 | Kebianizao | but I don't like overprecation |
| 15:15.53 | logixoul | of course |
| 15:15.57 | Jucato | actually, you might (just might) have to restart X, not just KDE.. sometimes.. but not normally :) |
| 15:15.57 | logixoul | feel free to file a report |
| 15:16.10 | Kebianizao | that's what I was thinking of |
| 15:16.15 | Kebianizao | I'll do |
| 15:16.29 | Kebianizao | what against? |
| 15:16.33 | Kebianizao | ksmserver? |
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| 15:22.04 | stoned | mp3: - S K Y . F M - Mostly Classical - Listen and Relax, it's good for you! www.sky.fm - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 20, in D Minor, K. 466 |
| 15:22.08 | stoned | fixed it |
| 15:22.13 | stoned | had to regen my keys |
| 15:22.18 | stoned | take that spam and shush it. |
| 15:22.20 | stoned | :D |
| 15:23.27 | simmerz | why does it take such a long time to update a project if its large? |
| 15:23.31 | simmerz | in quanta |
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| 15:24.15 | smileaf | in larger projects there is more to do because its.... large? |
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| 15:24.20 | stoned | lol |
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| 15:24.28 | vandenoever | is there an autosave function in kwrite? i get a lot of people with crashing kate/kwrite that want this |
| 15:25.02 | RushPL | vandenoever: maybe better fix the crashing of kate/kwrite ? :) |
| 15:25.06 | simmerz | smileaf: yes, but how do other IDE's like eclipse keep in line with the fs where Quanta needs a regular update - it doesn't work well when working on large collaborative projects |
| 15:25.06 | Jucato | I think there is in the configure Editor options (not entirely sure)... |
| 15:25.22 | vandenoever | Jucato: i dont see it under 'load/save' |
| 15:25.34 | RushPL | kate/kwrite do not crash for me personally, but quanta crashes like hell |
| 15:25.40 | Kebianizao | done: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144572 |
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| 15:25.50 | logixoul_ | god damn powercuts :/ |
| 15:25.59 | Columcille | papercuts? |
| 15:26.11 | logixoul_ | heh no. powercuts. |
| 15:26.17 | Columcille | paper cuts are worse. |
| 15:26.33 | logixoul_ | heh. |
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| 15:29.00 | PhinnFort | i need help with DOS |
| 15:29.02 | PhinnFort | as in MS DOS |
| 15:29.12 | Gentle_ | Freedos, please ;) |
| 15:29.21 | PhinnFort | well, it's on an old hard drive |
| 15:29.34 | smileaf | PhinnFort: 1 question first... how does this relate to KDE? |
| 15:29.46 | PhinnFort | smileaf: i run dosbox from yakuake |
| 15:29.48 | PhinnFort | in KDE |
| 15:29.48 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 15:29.57 | PhinnFort | good enough? |
| 15:30.06 | smileaf | PhinnFort: #dos <-- might exist. |
| 15:30.10 | Columcille | I need someone to protect me from an MS DOS attack. http://www.clientcopia.com/quotes.php?id=5286 |
| 15:30.10 | smileaf | PhinnFort: nope =p |
| 15:30.10 | PhinnFort | smileaf: empty |
| 15:30.11 | vandenoever | RushPL: i'm working with standard fedora packages on many machines, installing different kde on there will give me more problems |
| 15:30.18 | smileaf | PhinnFort: #windows ? |
| 15:30.20 | stoned | ms dos attack |
| 15:30.20 | stoned | lol |
| 15:30.24 | PhinnFort | lol |
| 15:30.27 | Gentle_ | not unless the question is related to scrolling text in yakuake or things like that |
| 15:30.31 | PhinnFort | smileaf: worth a try |
| 15:30.34 | Gentle_ | ##dos maybe |
| 15:30.51 | logixoul_ | Columcille: rofl |
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| 15:33.51 | MinceR | if you're using irssi, keepnick.pl could help |
| 15:33.59 | logixoul | nope, konversation. |
| 15:34.10 | MinceR | is it scriptable? |
| 15:34.22 | logixoul | not based on events. |
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| 15:34.40 | logixoul | :( |
| 15:34.41 | MinceR | then you need a real client ;) |
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| 15:35.03 | Columcille | I lovers irssi but konversation is a pretty nice client |
| 15:35.16 | logixoul | I don't think I really need scriptability for anything other than this keepnick feature ;) |
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| 15:35.59 | mrigns | logixoul: get out of irc! you're not geeky enough! |
| 15:36.01 | mrigns | ;P |
| 15:36.04 | MinceR | you might need it in the future |
| 15:36.21 | jachin | ... |
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| 15:36.28 | logixoul | MinceR: yea, I _will_ switch when I need it... |
| 15:36.39 | logixoul | mrigns: ;) |
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| 15:36.50 | Sho_ | logixoul: highlight+autotext .. |
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| 15:37.27 | logixoul | Sho_: oh neat, thanks! |
| 15:37.27 | jachin | + regexp .. |
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| 15:42.12 | logixoul | hehe, works like a charm :) |
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| 15:42.22 | marckie | hello??? |
| 15:42.29 | logixoul | hello marckie |
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| 15:42.46 | PhinnFort | the ##windows people doesn't know squat:P |
| 15:42.50 | marckie | im a newbie... tried gnome but kinda liked kde more... |
| 15:43.11 | PhinnFort | KDE is 1338 |
| 15:43.13 | Dr_willis | PhinnFort, thats how they have been trained. :) |
| 15:43.21 | marckie | anyhows, does anybody know what themes i can install with kde? |
| 15:43.22 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 15:43.42 | Dr_willis | check out the kde-look.org site. and your disrtos Package manager. Most include many themes. that are not isntalled by default. |
| 15:43.43 | PhinnFort | marckie: kde-look.org |
| 15:43.59 | Dr_willis | thems under kde are Vastly different from themes under windows, and other window managers |
| 15:44.58 | marckie | i see... |
| 15:45.09 | marckie | i think linux has better looks than vista... |
| 15:45.22 | Jucato | marckie: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html |
| 15:45.26 | Dr_willis | technicially its 'kde' has better looks. :) |
| 15:45.26 | marckie | btw my distro is OpenSuse |
| 15:45.28 | Jucato | might be helpful |
| 15:45.39 | marckie | hahahaha... |
| 15:45.45 | marckie | yeah i think your right... |
| 15:45.55 | logixoul | Dr_willis: you haven't seen the beautiful world of windowblinds, I suppose... |
| 15:45.59 | Dr_willis | Fire up the suse package manager whatever its called and do a search for 'themes' |
| 15:46.09 | logixoul | YaST |
| 15:46.19 | Dr_willis | logixoul, i used that befor.. even paid for it.. I could never tell if it was windows crashing or windowblinds crashing. |
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| 15:46.30 | logixoul | Dr_willis: aha, I guess. |
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| 15:46.41 | Dr_willis | gotta love it when an OS dosables themeable features to Force a 'standard' look and feel on everyone. |
| 15:46.48 | Dr_willis | disables. :) |
| 15:46.50 | logixoul | yea |
| 15:46.57 | Dr_willis | BeOs did it. apple does it. MS did it BIG time. |
| 15:47.04 | jachin | (' ')a |
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| 15:47.37 | Dr_willis | kde is so themeable/changeable - its sort of scary. :) |
| 15:47.44 | MinceR | that can't be scary |
| 15:47.56 | Q-collective | hey all, I just upgraded to xorg-server 1.3.0.0 (from 1.1.1) and building the screen when switching windows is very slow... is this a common issue with kde or did xorg just regressed again? :( |
| 15:48.03 | MinceR | it's only scary if it isn't easy to do -- with fvwm, for example :> |
| 15:48.18 | Dr_willis | wonder if kde4 is going to clean up some of the themable issues with kde. Make things a bit clearer/cleaner/nicer to do. |
| 15:48.46 | Dr_willis | Try explaining how the Kde theme 'system' works to a total beginner. :) scares them. |
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| 15:48.48 | Jucato | if they do, I hope they don't "simplify" it while losing features/power... |
| 15:49.00 | Dr_willis | Jucato, yea. its a balancing act. |
| 15:49.32 | benJIman | Dr_willis: kde already has themes that simplify things, but nobody uses them |
| 15:49.43 | benJIman | themese are really easy to use meta things |
| 15:50.07 | Jucato | except that they're difficult to "really" use... |
| 15:50.07 | Dr_willis | benJIman, yep seen those also. |
| 15:50.44 | Dr_willis | explain how the stuff works.. then you discover a way to use all the icewm themes.. :) then its like.. that opens up a whole new expance of themes.. |
| 15:50.51 | Jucato | kde themes (.kth) requires certain parts of the theme to already be installed before hand. It neither gives a warning nor a clue when they aren't |
| 15:51.01 | Dr_willis | or am i the only one that just uses Plastik :) |
| 15:51.15 | Jucato | some oldtimers are with you :D |
| 15:51.19 | jachin | :) |
| 15:51.20 | Dr_willis | Jucato, ya hit it on the hammer there. |
| 15:51.25 | logixoul | benJIman: would be great if those were a bit more flexible tho... currently they can't set the kicker/konvi/konq/konsole background, the text colors for the clock/konvi, etc |
| 15:51.25 | Dr_willis | hammer on the head. heh |
| 15:51.35 | jomppa | okay now i'm pissed off. i've spent more than three hours trying to get some unicode characters to show up in konqueror, with no luck. i have installed the fonts to my system, then added them with kde's font installer, how can konqueror find them?! |
| 15:51.36 | jachin | Yes. Plastik is good theme in default. |
| 15:51.45 | logixoul | benJIman: but I guess the real issue is that people don't realize themes exist :) |
| 15:51.47 | Jucato | logixoul: um... you can |
| 15:52.00 | logixoul | Jucato: really? |
| 15:52.02 | Jucato | (except the text colors for taskbar) |
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| 15:52.18 | logixoul | Jucato: how? |
| 15:52.21 | Dr_willis | they think of a 'theme' as ALL the parts.. not just a 'settings file on what parts to use' :) i guess is what one can say. |
| 15:52.22 | Jucato | logixoul: what? you can set different background images for those apps you mentioned. except for kicker |
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| 15:52.31 | Jucato | kicker's background affects all panels |
| 15:52.32 | chronos | How I install a splash screen for kde? |
| 15:53.00 | logixoul | Jucato: see the message I was replying to... I was talking about what you can include in a .theme file ;) |
| 15:53.27 | Jucato | logixoul: ah ok :) |
| 15:53.55 | Jucato | logixoul: hm.. I thought Konqueror backgrounds (file manager view) were set in the .kth file as well |
| 15:54.12 | Jucato | dang! I can't even remember my own doc :( |
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| 15:56.56 | Q-collective | anyone? |
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| 15:58.42 | lilalinux | Q-collective: maybe it would be a good idea to mention your card and driver ;-) |
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| 15:59.30 | lilalinux | Q-collective: alternatively switching to gnome or whatever for a second and see if it is slow too |
| 15:59.39 | Q-collective | lilalinux: radion9600xt with the r300 driver, but there wasn't a driver update (there was a mesa upgrade though: 6.5.1 to .2) |
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| 16:00.10 | logixoul | Jucato: wah. you're right! the konq background is saved too. this is really cool. :) |
| 16:00.12 | lilalinux | try with gnome to see if it is x or wm |
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| 16:00.28 | Q-collective | lilalinux: about the gnome thing |
| 16:00.30 | Q-collective | # emerge gnome -p | wc -l |
| 16:00.31 | Q-collective | 174 |
| 16:00.31 | Q-collective | nah |
| 16:00.33 | Q-collective | :P |
| 16:00.50 | lilalinux | well, then take a sane distro ;) |
| 16:01.03 | RushPL | no, take a sane WM :> |
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| 16:01.09 | Q-collective | this is one of the very few sane distro's around really |
| 16:01.21 | Q-collective | but I guess I could install fluxbox |
| 16:01.47 | RushPL | Q-collective: there's also xterm |
| 16:01.52 | logixoul | Q-collective: just wondering, is the speed difference in comparison with your prev distro noticable? |
| 16:02.14 | RushPL | logixoul: Gentoo is about choice, it's not really about speed. |
| 16:02.19 | logixoul | like, 1.5 times? |
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| 16:02.28 | Q-collective | logixoul: I didn't install gentoo out of ricer needs, but for flexibility |
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| 16:02.44 | mariux | whats kmail a part of? pim or network? |
| 16:02.56 | Q-collective | but yeah, I recently tried ubuntu and I must say this does feel a lot faster |
| 16:03.00 | lilalinux | flexibility? like using a different wm? :) |
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| 16:03.17 | logixoul | touchè |
| 16:03.19 | Q-collective | lilalinux: google "gentoo use flags" |
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| 16:03.43 | lilalinux | I used gentoo when it was still called enoch |
| 16:03.53 | Q-collective | but I'm not here to answer flames really |
| 16:04.14 | lilalinux | Q-collective: maybe some other simpler wm? fvwm? |
| 16:04.17 | RushPL | mariux: in gentoo, kmail shows in kdebase heh |
| 16:04.20 | logixoul | Q-collective: and you compile everything just to save the HDD space that unnecessary features take up? |
| 16:04.32 | mariux | damn :P |
| 16:04.32 | Q-collective | lilalinux: almost finished installing flux ;) |
| 16:04.44 | marckie | what are the wm available? |
| 16:04.56 | marckie | what is beryl btw? |
| 16:05.01 | marckie | sorry newbie here... |
| 16:05.08 | Kyral | Beryl (In a nutshell) |
| 16:05.08 | lilalinux | marckie: beryl is 3d eye candy |
| 16:05.24 | Q-collective | 3d eyecandy framework |
| 16:05.25 | Dr_willis | theres a 'window managers for X' website that summarizes most of them. |
| 16:05.26 | Kyral | Is a Window Manager that uses OpenGL to get eye candy up the wazoo |
| 16:05.31 | logixoul | marckie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_manager#Popular_X_window_managers |
| 16:05.51 | Kyral | (And makes Aero look like sh*t) |
| 16:06.02 | Q-collective | because aero *is* shit |
| 16:06.04 | MinceR | lol |
| 16:06.05 | Dr_willis | and it crashes only half as much! |
| 16:06.06 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 16:06.08 | Kyral | Especially considering Beryl and Aero's hardware reqs :P |
| 16:06.20 | Kyral | My aging GeForce FX5500 can run Beryl fine |
| 16:06.29 | terlmann | so does mine |
| 16:06.30 | Dr_willis | my laptops x200m cant. :) |
| 16:06.31 | terlmann | did mine |
| 16:06.43 | mariux | my aging mobility 9700 clocked down to 80mhz can't run beyl fine |
| 16:06.48 | Kyral | I somehow don't think it could run Aero |
| 16:06.52 | terlmann | the nvidia drivers screwed up the framework on my fx... |
| 16:06.54 | lilalinux | But if you use xinerama -> no DRI -> no eye candy :( |
| 16:06.56 | Dr_willis | beryl seems sluggish at times on my 6800nvidia |
| 16:07.04 | Q-collective | given the proper drivers, even an ancient tnt2 or geforce7000 could run beryl fine |
| 16:07.07 | Q-collective | beat that ms |
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| 16:07.11 | Dr_willis | Yea. i perfer 2 desktops also. |
| 16:07.16 | Kyral | Snow Effect FTW |
| 16:07.16 | mariux | and i'm not sacrificing batterylife |
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| 16:07.20 | Dr_willis | well bbl |
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| 16:07.45 | AlexElliott | I have two desktops and compiz, but well, that's on a 7600GT so it ought to run fairly well ;) |
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| 16:08.50 | lilalinux | 2 desktops is still manageable without xinerama (e.g. with twinview/bigdesktop), but what to do if you have 3? |
| 16:09.20 | marckie | will try beryl tonight... |
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| 16:09.29 | marckie | hehehe... a total eye candy huh? |
| 16:09.37 | lilalinux | yup |
| 16:09.44 | lilalinux | with wobbling windows |
| 16:10.10 | Kyral | Someone in #archlinux described Snow+Blur as an "Eyegasm" |
| 16:10.17 | logixoul | lol |
| 16:10.20 | lilalinux | lol |
| 16:10.22 | PhinnFort | rotfl |
| 16:10.46 | PhinnFort | does it handle my windows better than ratpoison? |
| 16:10.52 | Kyral | dunno |
| 16:10.58 | logixoul | haha |
| 16:11.03 | Kyral | Ratpoison is like the one WM I haven't used... |
| 16:11.07 | logixoul | did ratpoison get mouse support yet? |
| 16:11.08 | PhinnFort | :P |
| 16:11.12 | PhinnFort | don't think so |
| 16:11.21 | PhinnFort | ;) |
| 16:11.50 | PhinnFort | http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ |
| 16:11.50 | lilalinux | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tROi6GHjfA |
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| 16:12.51 | PhinnFort | the latest norwegian translation of KDE is rather good |
| 16:13.05 | lilalinux | damn i need DRI |
| 16:13.22 | PhinnFort | darn i need more ram |
| 16:14.21 | MinceR | damn i need a laptop |
| 16:14.26 | Lanken | what does it take to get dual-head DRI? |
| 16:14.48 | Lanken | I can get it, crappily, one one screen, with my radeon 9000 |
| 16:14.48 | MinceR | you could do it with multiple x displays, i guess |
| 16:14.48 | PhinnFort | sacrificing a goat |
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| 16:15.19 | lilalinux | Lanken: either a card with 2 outputs or 2 cards |
| 16:15.26 | MinceR | i think i'd prefer that to xinerama since it would allow me to switch desktops independently on the monitors |
| 16:15.33 | lilalinux | however, with 2 cards you need xinerama |
| 16:15.35 | Lanken | lilalinux: yeah, the radeon 9000 has two outputs. |
| 16:15.44 | Lanken | (or at least this one does) |
| 16:15.47 | lilalinux | then take bigdesktop |
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| 16:15.54 | lilalinux | which handles xinerama internally |
| 16:16.05 | Lanken | fglrx big desktop has never worked for me. |
| 16:16.25 | Lanken | any in any case, I'm rather used to having two x displays now. |
| 16:16.27 | lilalinux | debian default drivers should be fine |
| 16:16.30 | Lanken | two sets of panels and such. |
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| 16:16.53 | Lanken | lilalinux: I tried for like a week in ubuntu, it never worked. using the radeon driver at least gets me some dual-head. |
| 16:17.33 | lilalinux | -> #ati |
| 16:17.43 | lilalinux | -> #xorg |
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| 16:18.00 | RushPL | #ati > /dev/null |
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| 16:18.18 | lilalinux | #ati for closed source driver #xorg for open source |
| 16:18.30 | logixoul | http://john.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/virtualearthechnologypreview.jpg <<< woah |
| 16:19.10 | lilalinux | he drives in the wrong direction |
| 16:19.14 | AlexElliott | http://files.pastesite.com/screen2.png dual-head with compiz running. My card has two DVI outputs. Which is always nice ;). I'd recommend nvidia for it, had no trouble at all getting it to work. |
| 16:19.28 | Lanken | that car looks horrible. |
| 16:19.46 | Lanken | jeez, if they wanted it to be highly visible, straight red would have worked. |
| 16:20.00 | AlexElliott | They seem to be encouraging you to play 360 while driving |
| 16:20.31 | PhinnFort | logixoul: utterly useless? |
| 16:20.31 | Lanken | AlexElliott: I'm probably getting another laptop, so I don't think there will be any dual dvi output in my future... |
| 16:20.40 | Lanken | but dvi+lappy monitor, that's a possibility. |
| 16:20.54 | logixoul | yeah but what's the photo in the top half? live webcam streaming? oO |
| 16:21.01 | AlexElliott | Yeah, I know someone was looking at a lappy with the same card as me in a laptop, was about 2k |
| 16:21.29 | Lanken | =X |
| 16:21.39 | logixoul | PhinnFort: but fun ;) |
| 16:21.41 | Lanken | I'm looking to spend like US$1400 |
| 16:22.02 | PhinnFort | logixoul: for about 5 seconds, until it lags into webstreaming hell;) |
| 16:22.18 | AlexElliott | About four times more than I paid for my PC. That's more than I'm willing to pay for a laptop, but then I'm not too interested in getting a very flash laptop |
| 16:22.49 | Lanken | I don't understand why they don't make desktop replacement laptops for less. |
| 16:23.06 | AlexElliott | Something which works'll do me, I can deal with low spec hardware |
| 16:23.11 | Lanken | every single damn one has a .5 GB video card, and they all cost $2000 |
| 16:23.34 | Lanken | I just want a nice big monitor! I don't play 3d games! |
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| 16:24.00 | PhinnFort | http://preview.local.live.com/ doesn't work very well in konqueror here |
| 16:24.07 | logixoul | here neither |
| 16:24.19 | PhinnFort | i get the car, and lots of black |
| 16:24.23 | Lanken | loading... |
| 16:24.32 | logixoul | I get the car, and lots of white |
| 16:24.32 | PhinnFort | i'll try opera |
| 16:24.41 | PhinnFort | logixoul: try clicking on "hybrid" |
| 16:25.08 | logixoul | no luck |
| 16:25.14 | logixoul | JS errors |
| 16:25.20 | PhinnFort | :P |
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| 16:26.08 | logixoul | hey, it works in opera |
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| 16:26.25 | PhinnFort | still loading here... |
| 16:27.17 | MinceR | funny, i don't see this yellow box around everything when _i_ walk. |
| 16:27.42 | Lanken | i like how when you clip, you see a red grid. |
| 16:27.52 | MinceR | the matrix has you |
| 16:28.01 | logixoul | lol, indeed. |
| 16:28.16 | MinceR | apparently, the pedestrian has this huge yellow/black cap on his huge head. |
| 16:28.29 | Lanken | ooh, you can read the street signs. |
| 16:28.32 | Lanken | they seem to be correct. |
| 16:28.47 | Ryushin | So my enlightenment is currently borked due to a change in development. So I thought I would use KDE until it's fixed. I played with KDE some months ago, and now I can't figure out how I created a right click menu options like I did. I've been going through the conrol center but I haven't been able to find out where I change that setting. |
| 16:29.17 | MinceR | taking pictures in the matrix is prohibited. |
| 16:29.17 | logixoul | Lanken: of course, it's all photos :) |
| 16:29.36 | PhinnFort | how can i set the font size in an entire table in KWord? |
| 16:29.39 | Lanken | logixoul: oh, it's not rendering these images with an algorithm? |
| 16:29.46 | logixoul | Ryushin: this only works for Konqueror and related file managers. Is that what you mean? |
| 16:29.46 | MinceR | it's not |
| 16:29.52 | MinceR | even turning is limited |
| 16:30.01 | logixoul | Lanken: haha :) |
| 16:30.48 | Ryushin | Not really. When I right click on the open desktop, I want to bring up a menu of my favorite applications. |
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| 16:32.07 | logixoul | Ryushin: oh, that. kcontrol->desktop->behavior |
| 16:35.19 | Ryushin | logixoul: Cool, thanks. |
| 16:35.32 | logixoul | np |
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| 16:46.30 | Ryushin | logixoul: I don't suppose it's possible to create folders under that custom menu right click option is there? |
| 16:46.32 | logixoul | JohnFlux: hey. did you once say you were planning 'process descriptions' in ksysguard like in http://cyber-knowledge.net/blog/images/thumbs/pics/taskmanager.jpg or am I imagining things? :) |
| 16:46.49 | logixoul | Ryushin: you're right, it isn't. |
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| 16:47.04 | busfahrer | How do I get video thumbnails to work in KDE 3.5.6 (running Feisty)? My previous trick of installing the mplayerthumbs addon doesnt seem to work anymore in Feisty. |
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| 16:48.07 | logixoul | Ryushin: after all, they're supposed to be your *favorite* apps - that is, not much more than 5-10. |
| 16:48.18 | JohnFlux | logixoul: dunno if I said it, but could be added pretty easily |
| 16:48.47 | JohnFlux | logixoul: not sure what the best way is to identify what a process is. maybe just from the command name |
| 16:48.57 | logixoul | JohnFlux: but where would it take the description from? X11 window titles? |
| 16:49.06 | JohnFlux | hmm |
| 16:49.09 | logixoul | (for windows spawned by the process) |
| 16:49.12 | PhinnFort | how does this look?: ? |
| 16:49.24 | logixoul | like a question mark |
| 16:49.36 | PhinnFort | hrm |
| 16:49.38 | JohnFlux | logixoul: i don't know - maybe it's a description in the exe file? |
| 16:49.44 | PhinnFort | it's supposed to be the symbol for a triple bond |
| 16:49.51 | PhinnFort | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkyne |
| 16:49.58 | JohnFlux | logixoul: dunno :-) |
| 16:50.20 | logixoul | PhinnFort: okay, thanks :) |
| 16:50.23 | logixoul | err JohnFlux |
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| 16:50.38 | PhinnFort | you're welcome |
| 16:50.41 | PhinnFort | :P |
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| 16:51.00 | logixoul | hehe |
| 16:51.05 | Ryushin | logixoul: Well, hmmm.... It would seem to me that would be up to the user. It should be as complex or as simple as a user wants. I guess I can make a feature request. |
| 16:51.34 | JohnFlux | logixoul: is that view there by default? |
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| 16:51.59 | logixoul | JohnFlux: I think so, why? |
| 16:52.18 | JohnFlux | logixoul: does it show anywhere the window title? |
| 16:52.33 | JohnFlux | logixoul: e.g. Internet Explorer: slashdot.org or whatever |
| 16:52.39 | logixoul | Ryushin: well, on the flipside, adding the possibility to group items into folders would complicate the config UI. |
| 16:54.17 | logixoul | JohnFlux: I haven't seen a Vista PC yet, but on the screenshot it looks like it's not the window title that's being utilized as 'process description' |
| 16:54.27 | JohnFlux | right |
| 16:54.31 | Ryushin | I kind of look at the K button, as the has EVERYTHING. I look at my right click button, as having my daily used apps. Oh well, if the functionality is not there, its not there. |
| 16:54.50 | JohnFlux | logixoul: plus there are non-x apps |
| 16:54.58 | JohnFlux | logixoul: it must come from the exe info |
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| 16:55.55 | Kyral | It probably just scans for .desktop files |
| 16:56.15 | logixoul | Kyral: um, that's Windows |
| 16:56.22 | Kyral | logixoul: Not really |
| 16:56.26 | Kyral | they are used on Linux too |
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| 16:56.49 | logixoul | Kyral: .desktop files aren't used on Windows |
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| 16:57.06 | Kyral | logixoul: You contradicted yourself |
| 16:57.06 | pinotree | logixoul: ???? |
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| 16:57.24 | pinotree | kde uses .desktop files for may things, no matter the OS |
| 16:57.27 | pinotree | *many |
| 16:57.40 | PhinnFort | Windows doesn't use .desktop files itself, though |
| 16:57.47 | souped | using knetattach to connect to a remote folder via ssh... how to i unconnect to that folder? |
| 16:57.49 | PhinnFort | i think that was his point |
| 16:57.59 | Kyral | souped: Just close the window |
| 16:58.00 | logixoul | pinotree: but not stable kde exists for windows. what PhinnFort |
| 16:58.02 | logixoul | said. |
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| 16:58.08 | Kyral | It should terminate the connection on its own eventually |
| 16:58.18 | logixoul | JohnFlux: OTOH the 'process desc' feature is new in vista => apps like xchat (that haven't been updated since vista) can't have this info embedded in the exe. |
| 16:58.19 | pinotree | a stable kdelibs3 exists for win32 |
| 16:58.30 | souped | but it still shows up in my network file list |
| 16:58.37 | logixoul | pinotree: but does anything work with it? kexi perhaps? |
| 16:58.38 | pinotree | the kexi author made it work, quite a lot of time ago |
| 16:58.44 | Kyral | souped: Are we talking the "Network Folders" thing? |
| 16:58.53 | souped | yes |
| 16:59.07 | Kyral | souped: It will close when stuff stops referencing it |
| 16:59.07 | pinotree | he had just troubles with the networking code, but everything else was (almost) working fine |
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| 16:59.13 | tockitj | hello |
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| 16:59.23 | Kyral | (Just because it appears in the Network Folders list doesn't meant its connected) |
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| 16:59.31 | logixoul | Kyral: I showed JohnFlux a vista screenie and you said it must be using .desktop files. I said it can't be, as these aren't used on windows. |
| 16:59.42 | Kyral | logixoul: I didn't see that |
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| 16:59.47 | logixoul | Kyral: ok. |
| 16:59.48 | souped | well then i want to remove it from my file list ;) |
| 16:59.54 | tockitj | what is going to happen with Kommander project once KDE4.0 drops suport for dcop? :-/ |
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| 17:00.01 | Kyral | I saw the thing about stuff in the K Menu and throught you were talking about it |
| 17:00.10 | logixoul | I see. |
| 17:00.23 | logixoul | tockitj: it's going to be ported to DBus, if it isn't already. |
| 17:00.39 | tockitj | dcop is avaliable from command line |
| 17:00.40 | souped | moving it to the trash can be dangerous |
| 17:00.47 | Kyral | souped: If you wanna know if its closed, run netstat -tp in a terminal and look for SSH connections |
| 17:00.49 | tockitj | will there be similiar feature with d-bus? |
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| 17:01.00 | Kyral | there already is IIRC |
| 17:01.01 | logixoul | tockitj: yes. |
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| 17:01.45 | tockitj | :-) |
| 17:01.45 | tockitj | i like Kommander - it is ideal for rapid app development |
| 17:02.03 | souped | ok... maybe it is kdevelop referencing it... and i need to remove it from kdevelop... |
| 17:02.03 | Kyral | Shell Scripts! |
| 17:02.05 | Kyral | + KDialog :D |
| 17:02.15 | Shaman` | nice, amd just upped processor clocks to 3Ghz+ |
| 17:02.24 | Shaman` | putting them back into contention with core2 |
| 17:02.31 | Kyral | mmm |
| 17:02.33 | Kyral | Bout time |
| 17:02.33 | tockitj | Kommander is much more powerfull, but I like kdialog too :-) |
| 17:02.42 | tockitj | nice koncept ;-) |
| 17:02.43 | Kyral | I was afraid AMD was losing |
| 17:02.52 | Kyral | Granted I use Intel's for servers |
| 17:02.53 | logixoul | I like kmdr too but I think it could be better integrated with more powerful frameworks. |
| 17:03.06 | Kyral | but I like AMD for my desktops |
| 17:03.17 | Kyral | logixoul: Maybe a frontend to Korundrum? |
| 17:03.19 | JohnFlux | Kyral: it's the bang-per-buck that matters more than the top speed |
| 17:03.26 | Kyral | JohnFlux: I know |
| 17:03.28 | JohnFlux | Kyral: and in that respect they are pretty equalo |
| 17:03.31 | JohnFlux | equal |
| 17:03.32 | tockitj | i dunno, its nice just the way it is - simple and ideal for interfacing shell scripts |
| 17:03.48 | logixoul | Kyral: yes, maybe. |
| 17:04.16 | Kyral | A CPU with a 1 Meg L2 Cache but with a 1.8 GHz clock speed is still gonna own a 2.5 GHz with a 256 K L2 Cache |
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| 17:04.58 | logixoul | a distinct Kommander shortcoming is that it doesn't have an easy way to achieve ui consistency. Which is why we see constant sized buttons and such all the time. |
| 17:05.12 | logixoul | or I'm missing something. |
| 17:05.32 | Kyral | Actually the L2 Cache probably has a bigger effect on performance than raw clock speed... |
| 17:05.46 | JohnFlux | Kyral: hmm |
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| 17:06.26 | Shaman` | yes |
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| 17:06.38 | Shaman` | the core2s and intel's newer parts have all got wicked huge L2 caching |
| 17:06.40 | JohnFlux | Kyral: L2 cache size tends to have diminishing returns |
| 17:06.41 | JohnFlux | Kyral: a small amount is crucial |
| 17:06.42 | JohnFlux | a large amount, not so much |
| 17:06.51 | Kyral | A high clock speed is good and all, but if it has to make a memory access to RAM a lot (or even to Swap) its going to be just waiting for I/O |
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| 17:07.25 | Kyral | So you have to find a balance where the CPU isn't waiting for I/O, or the L2 isn't always empty |
| 17:07.30 | Kyral | something like that |
| 17:07.32 | tockitj | logixoul: i havent noticed that, i'll ceck :-) |
| 17:07.53 | Kyral | And this isn't even taking into account multi core CPUs.... |
| 17:07.59 | Shaman` | large L2 caches macke cpus much more efficient |
| 17:08.06 | Shaman` | everything has diminishing returns |
| 17:08.07 | Kyral | But also expensive |
| 17:08.16 | Kyral | L2 is wicked fast |
| 17:08.26 | Shaman` | but it's not by mistake that even the Extreme processors depend mostly on L2 cache |
| 17:08.27 | Kyral | (Access times in fractions of nanoseconds) |
| 17:08.34 | Shaman` | even though they are up to recent times single CPU |
| 17:08.42 | tockitj | logixoul: but you can use different layouts and distancers |
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| 17:08.47 | Shaman` | SMP systems benefit even more from L2 cache |
| 17:08.52 | Kyral | yah |
| 17:09.01 | tockitj | logixoul: they dont have to be constant sized :-) |
| 17:09.03 | Kyral | but I have an OpSys class in an hour |
| 17:09.10 | busfahrer | Anybody in here using the Addon Mplayerthumbs? |
| 17:09.13 | Kyral | and I really don't wanna spend the hour already talking about stuff like this :D |
| 17:09.25 | PhinnFort | we can talk about organic chemistry |
| 17:09.27 | PhinnFort | :D |
| 17:10.05 | logixoul | tockitj: k, thanks |
| 17:10.27 | logixoul | busfahrer: #kubuntu may know more |
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| 17:10.53 | tockitj | :-) |
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| 17:11.51 | logixoul | oh fsck |
| 17:11.53 | logixoul | I closed YaST by accident |
| 17:12.05 | logixoul | now I have to wait for it to load _another_ minute |
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| 17:12.44 | souped | thought on kdevelop vs eclipse? |
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| 17:12.58 | Kyral | Never used Eclipse |
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| 17:13.35 | logixoul | me neither. word has it eclipse has excellent class navigation and a load of useful extensions though. |
| 17:13.42 | souped | do you like kdevelop? |
| 17:13.51 | logixoul | yep, I use it. |
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| 17:14.00 | Kyral | though I like how KDevelop allows me to tweak the indentation & brace style to fit my perfect needs :D |
| 17:14.26 | logixoul | I never really tried another linux ide |
| 17:14.35 | Kyral | Vim ;P |
| 17:14.55 | Kyral | Though I can't for the life of me find an editor/IDE that handles indenting PHP all that well |
| 17:15.00 | logixoul | I don't plan to learn this :) |
| 17:15.38 | tockitj | vim is nice :-) |
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| 17:16.01 | Kyral | Yah |
| 17:16.02 | Lupino | Does anyone know the dcop call to make ktorrent show it's main window? (does it have one?) |
| 17:16.04 | tockitj | its substitutions are very powerfull |
| 17:16.08 | Kyral | Vim is my general purpose editor |
| 17:16.25 | Kyral | I switch into KDevelop or Netbeans (For Java) when I need project management |
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| 17:17.01 | tockitj | Lupino: have you tried kdcop? |
| 17:17.02 | Lupino | ..stupid w right next to q :p |
| 17:17.08 | logixoul | Lupino: it doesn't. |
| 17:17.14 | Lupino | tockitj: Yeah, I can't find anything that looks like it there. |
| 17:17.33 | Lupino | logixoul: You've tried too, eh ;?) |
| 17:17.47 | logixoul | Lupino: yep ;) |
| 17:18.22 | Lupino | Hm, pretty basic thing, strange they've left it out for so long. |
| 17:18.23 | logixoul | +1 Insightful |
| 17:20.06 | busfahrer | so, most of the people using KDE are satisfied with the way xine generated movie thumbnails? |
| 17:20.24 | logixoul | busfahrer: I'm not... I filed a bug. |
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| 17:20.53 | logixoul | (the problem being, it almost always fetches a near-black frame due to a low threshold) |
| 17:21.23 | logixoul | http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=news&details=22 << Yay! |
| 17:22.06 | busfahrer | logixoul: Is that link meant for me? If yes, I don't get it :-) |
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| 17:22.20 | logixoul | nope, it's just generally interesting for the channel :) |
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| 17:23.59 | busfahrer | logixoul: Whats your personal solution to the thumbnail problem? |
| 17:24.10 | logixoul | busfahrer: none at this moment |
| 17:24.26 | logixoul | I ignore video thumbnails. |
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| 17:29.06 | tockitj | busfahrer: thats simple, they should select frame distanced bout 10% from the start of timeline |
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| 17:29.46 | busfahrer | tockitj: of course, but apparently xine can't do that, so they just search the 25 first frames for something interesting, which, for most full length movies, is blackness |
| 17:30.10 | busfahrer | mplayerthumbs has got it down, but apparently I'm too stupid to get it to work on Feisty, used to work on Edgy. |
| 17:30.48 | Allan | Hi all. I'm new to KDE & Linux - have just installed Linux to my laptop provided by my work. This Linux installation uses Gnome and GDM as default but I would like to use KDE & KDM. I've search the KDE Control Panel without any luck. |
| 17:31.37 | padde | Allan: use another Linux distribution instead, or look on the distribution's website for help |
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| 17:31.51 | thiago | Allan: try asking in your distribution's channel |
| 17:32.03 | padde | Allan: I recommend kubuntu or SUSE (you can choose kde during installation) for beginners |
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| 17:32.20 | DaSkreech | Is there a way I can slide Konqueror tabs along the tab bar? |
| 17:32.29 | logixoul | DaSkreech: use the middle mouse button |
| 17:32.32 | DaSkreech | aseigo: hello |
| 17:32.33 | Allan | padde: I can only use between RHEL or WinXP. |
| 17:32.43 | pinotree | padde: telling people to change distro just for that is quite stupid, imho... |
| 17:32.54 | DaSkreech | logixoul: Middle Mouse button! Brilliant!! |
| 17:33.32 | padde | pinotree: "This Linux installation uses Gnome and GDM as default " <- if the distro supports kde as well as it sounds, perhaps one doesn't want to use it with (unsupported) software as a newbie |
| 17:33.44 | pinotree | ???? |
| 17:33.57 | padde | pinotree: i don't know much about red hat, but it should be possible to change to kde during installation |
| 17:34.05 | pinotree | come on |
| 17:34.19 | pinotree | every distro usually packages kde, gnome, xfce, etc.. |
| 17:34.34 | pinotree | and you can install any of these also LATER |
| 17:34.41 | thiago | but RH-based distributions usually come with a crippled or second-class KDE |
| 17:34.44 | Allan | padde: I choose advance installation and couldn't choose my default. |
| 17:34.45 | padde | pinotree: yes, but there is a difference between package something and _support_ something... |
| 17:34.50 | thiago | hopefully the next Fedora release won't be so |
| 17:35.07 | pinotree | and? he asked for using kde |
| 17:35.17 | padde | thiago: that's what i mean.. nobody there cares about kde, so newbies will most likely run into big (unsolvable) problems and get a very bad impression |
| 17:35.18 | Allan | piontree: My KDE installations works pretty nice ... my I have to choose KDE on every login. |
| 17:35.33 | pinotree | and reply "change distro" just for that is _stupid_ imho |
| 17:35.39 | padde | --> use a distro which fully supports kde, and not just "packages it" alongside gnome, the holy grail |
| 17:35.58 | padde | pinotree: ok, call me stupid. no problem with that... just my opinion and experience |
| 17:36.24 | pinotree | he asked "how to use kde with his distro", NOT how to change distro |
| 17:36.30 | Allan | padde: But then I should go back to my unstable WinXP. |
| 17:36.33 | pinotree | if you want or can help, do that |
| 17:36.39 | pinotree | otherwise, avoid being silly |
| 17:37.17 | padde | pinotree: calm down... |
| 17:37.21 | logixoul | Allan: every distro has a different place for setting this stuff up. you will need to ask in your distro's channel ;) |
| 17:37.29 | pinotree | it's just like replying "buy a new car" to someone that has a hole in a type |
| 17:37.30 | DaSkreech | logixoul: How is that supposed to be discoverable? |
| 17:37.31 | pinotree | *tyre |
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| 17:37.48 | logixoul | DaSkreech: it's not. it's the shittiest idea ever. |
| 17:37.53 | padde | Allan: i would recommend nearly every distro over windows, of course. but i have just no experience with Red Hat, so you have to ask somebody else... |
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| 17:38.07 | logixoul | DaSkreech: I was looking for the relevant bugreport but alas, it's not where I thought... |
| 17:38.17 | DaSkreech | thiago: are they not shipping a Fedora-KDE ? |
| 17:38.24 | Allan | logixoul: I though I could change my default directly from KDE control panel. I'll try RH channel :) |
| 17:38.30 | thiago | DaSkreech: that's what I heard. |
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| 17:38.57 | DaSkreech | logixoul: They could put it in the RMB menu |
| 17:39.09 | DaSkreech | padde: DeliOS? |
| 17:39.37 | logixoul | DaSkreech: or, even better, they could make it use the left mouse button for dragging. |
| 17:39.41 | padde | Allan: KDE control panel is a part of KDE, and is used to change settings inside KDE. if your distribution comes with GNOME, and you're inside GNOME, there won't be KDE control panel, and it wouldn't make sense to have it there. |
| 17:40.08 | DaSkreech | logixoul: but ... but ... Users would find out about it... easily... without going through the options!!! |
| 17:40.41 | logixoul | Allan: yes, please do that. KDE itself is unable to implement support for switching your DE as distros' ways for doing it vary. hence every distro needs a custom tool for setting it, which, for a few distros, like SUSE, includes a kcontrol module. |
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| 17:41.14 | logixoul | DaSkreech: yeah... |
| 17:41.15 | padde | Allan: you have to look in your Red Hat Installer or package manager, or whatever there is, and choose, or even install KDE first. KDE control panel has nothing to do with all that |
| 17:41.21 | Allan | padde: My distribution comes with GNOME but I've installed KDE from http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/. I'm now on a full working KDE but it just would be nice if I shouldn't choose KDE on each login. |
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| 17:41.53 | padde | Allan: I see, then now we're a step closer... it's just the Login Manager you're having trouble with |
| 17:41.59 | DaSkreech | Allan: I thnk GDM shoudl be able to set KDE as default |
| 17:42.08 | pinotree | it is |
| 17:42.12 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.12 | Kyral | Allan: in GDM/KDM it should ask you when you choose a DE that isn't default if you would like to set the one you chose as the default |
| 17:42.29 | DaSkreech | So you can login to KDE then logout then choose last selected |
| 17:42.31 | padde | pinotree: how about you tell him how to do it? that would be something more useful than calling people stupid... |
| 17:42.48 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.53 | pinotree | if you change the session type, gdm will tell you what do do |
| 17:43.42 | pinotree | there's a session button somewhere, just look for it, as its position changes because of the gdm theme |
| 17:44.06 | Allan | Kyral and other: Have done that .. but nothing is saved. |
| 17:44.43 | Allan | logixoul: Yes you are right ... sorry my quesiton wasn't accurate in the first place. |
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| 17:48.21 | souped | is there a way to import editor schema for kdevelop? |
| 17:48.41 | logixoul | import from what? |
| 17:48.48 | souped | i would like a darker background version... |
| 17:48.56 | souped | right |
| 17:49.00 | logixoul | you can edit your schema |
| 17:49.07 | logixoul | settings->configure editor |
| 17:49.07 | souped | that was my next question |
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| 17:49.22 | souped | ya, i see that... |
| 17:49.37 | logixoul | what do you wanna import from? |
| 17:50.17 | souped | just wondering if there were existing schema that i could import/plugin |
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| 17:50.47 | logixoul | if it exists, it's probably floating somewhere in kde-look.org |
| 17:50.58 | souped | thx |
| 17:51.03 | rellis | Is there a way in KDE to make it not show application titles from other virtual desktops? |
| 17:51.05 | logixoul | I myself created my own when I needed it - pretty easy |
| 17:51.05 | logixoul | np |
| 17:51.26 | logixoul | rellis: you mean in the taskbar? |
| 17:51.34 | rellis | logixoul: yes |
| 17:51.48 | logixoul | rellis: kcontrol->desktop->panels |
| 17:52.07 | logixoul | rellis: er, kcontrol->desktop->taskbar->show windows from all desktops |
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| 17:54.54 | igOR_D | ahoy |
| 17:55.08 | logixoul | moin |
| 17:55.17 | igOR_D | how can i sort the K-menu (only name) to alphabetically |
| 17:55.18 | igOR_D | ? |
| 17:55.26 | pinotree | it's already done |
| 17:55.39 | letronje | k3b giving this warning : http://rafb.net/p/jXIgtH44.html, how to set locale charset? |
| 17:55.50 | rellis | logixoul: When I go kcontrol->desktop->taskbar I have sort alpha. by name/show only min. icons/show app. icons/show window list button/etc. |
| 17:56.02 | rellis | logixoul: I do not see the option you mentioned. |
| 17:56.17 | rellis | logixoul: I'm using KDE 3.4 on opensuse 10.2 |
| 17:56.25 | Desintegr | 3.4 ? |
| 17:56.30 | annma | letronje: what language? |
| 17:56.38 | logixoul | rellis: you mean 3.5.4 maybe? |
| 17:56.47 | logixoul | rellis: 3.4 isn't even packaged for opensuse |
| 17:56.52 | rellis | logixoul: yes |
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| 17:58.38 | logixoul | rellis: here's what I have in the Taskbar groupbox: show wins from all desks, sort wins by desk, sort by app name, show only minimized, show app icons, show win list button, group similar tasks, appearance, use custom colors |
| 17:58.43 | rellis | logixoul: Actually, KDE 3.5.5 |
| 17:58.58 | logixoul | rellis: so you have all of these except the first two? |
| 17:59.12 | DaSkreech | Can I have the mousewheel on a stacked set of applications on the kicker only go though those windows? |
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| 17:59.21 | logixoul | rellis: and except the last one |
| 17:59.37 | logixoul | DaSkreech: no, but it's often requested |
| 17:59.48 | logixoul | DaSkreech: it used to be this way around 3.5.0 |
| 17:59.50 | DaSkreech | :-) |
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| 18:00.09 | rellis | logixoul: I'm missing a few of those. Maybe Novell moved some things =/; |
| 18:00.20 | DaSkreech | I don't mind it going through all the windows I just would like to hold shift or Ctrl and limit it to the current list of windows |
| 18:00.24 | logixoul | rellis: nope, I use openSUSE too. |
| 18:00.45 | rellis | logixoul: Very strange.. this is a fresh 10.2 install pretty much. 3 weeks old. |
| 18:00.53 | logixoul | DaSkreech: look it up on b.k.o |
| 18:01.02 | logixoul | DaSkreech: there might've been a patch floating around |
| 18:01.08 | logixoul | (or not) |
| 18:01.35 | logixoul | rellis: can I see a screenshot (if you're using an english locale) |
| 18:01.43 | logixoul | (will save time) |
| 18:01.51 | rellis | logixoul, sure |
| 18:02.14 | rellis | logixoul: Would beryl hose this up for any reason? |
| 18:02.24 | logixoul | no way. |
| 18:02.28 | rellis | okay |
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| 18:06.13 | mustmr | kde 4 ETA? |
| 18:06.20 | Orhiteus | ~kde4 |
| 18:06.21 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 18:06.36 | Orhiteus | apt: kde4 |
| 18:06.38 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 18:06.53 | Orhiteus | mustmr: october |
| 18:07.05 | DaSkreech | mustmr: nearly when it's done |
| 18:07.17 | DaSkreech | Might be a week or month earlier |
| 18:08.01 | Orhiteus | or later. |
| 18:08.20 | mustmr | hmm |
| 18:08.22 | mustmr | thanks |
| 18:08.26 | Orhiteus | np |
| 18:08.57 | rellis | logixoul: http://66.60.179.18/~lues/snapshot1.gif |
| 18:09.42 | Orhiteus | damn... |
| 18:09.58 | Orhiteus | no clue. |
| 18:10.26 | Orhiteus | try updating to 3.5.6, just in case. |
| 18:10.31 | Orhiteus | or ask in #opensuse |
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| 18:11.05 | rellis | Orhiteus: hehe, thanks |
| 18:11.11 | pinotree | grinreaper: ##linux |
| 18:11.16 | Orhiteus | np |
| 18:11.18 | grinreaper | ? |
| 18:11.24 | pinotree | unless you use kcron |
| 18:11.30 | thiago | grinreaper: why would you want that/ |
| 18:11.32 | grinreaper | yea me using kcron... |
| 18:11.35 | thiago | grinreaper: just leave ktorrent running. |
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| 18:12.39 | grinreaper | thiago: my telephone bill is gonna blow up if i do that... |
| 18:12.43 | Allan | pinotree and other: I found the answer at Redhat's knowledgebase - http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/FAQ_35_2202.shtm |
| 18:12.51 | thiago | grinreaper: use the bandwidth scheduler plugin |
| 18:12.57 | Allan | - 'switchdesk kde' did the job :-) |
| 18:13.05 | Allan | Thanks a lot for your help & time. |
| 18:13.06 | Orhiteus | nice :) |
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| 18:16.37 | asraniel | does anybody know where i can find the release plan for kde 3.5.7 ? |
| 18:17.04 | Orquidean | techbase.kde.org ;) |
| 18:17.58 | asraniel | thank you, i know a few kde.org subdomains, thats one more ;-) |
| 18:18.39 | Orquidean | asraniel: hehe. you can see 'em all here: http://kde.org/family/ |
| 18:18.53 | asraniel | wow |
| 18:18.56 | asraniel | thats a lot |
| 18:19.00 | asraniel | tx |
| 18:19.00 | Arkua | ;) |
| 18:19.02 | Arkua | np |
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| 18:28.36 | DaSkreech | So when is Kate getting a Collab Mode? |
| 18:29.08 | nvke | wasn't that a 2007 soc project? or was that just for koffice? |
| 18:29.29 | DaSkreech | Koffice |
| 18:29.41 | nvke | aha |
| 18:29.55 | mustmr | when i download a .rar file using konqueror, it asks me if i want to open it with kwrite, or save, even tho .rar files are set to open with ark |
| 18:29.59 | mustmr | how can i fix this? |
| 18:30.00 | DaSkreech | I'm figuring since they are scrubbing Kate from KDE in general it should get some legitimate expansion |
| 18:30.12 | DaSkreech | mustmr:install unrar |
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| 18:30.37 | mustmr | it's installed |
| 18:30.41 | mustmr | and ark is installed too |
| 18:30.50 | mustmr | i can open .rar files just fine |
| 18:31.38 | DaSkreech | mustmr: Check if it has .rar associated with kwrite |
| 18:31.53 | mustmr | no |
| 18:31.57 | mustmr | it's associated with ark |
| 18:32.14 | Lanken | hmm, it seems that xfce-panel can be more flexibly positioned than kicker. |
| 18:32.26 | Lanken | kicker just has left-middle-bottom |
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| 18:32.37 | Lanken | xfce-panel can go anywhere on the edge or even in the middle. |
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| 18:33.59 | nvke | Lanken: in the middle of the screen?? oO |
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| 18:34.13 | nvke | or the edge |
| 18:34.19 | Lanken | nvke: middle too. |
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| 18:34.43 | Lanken | useful if you want one along the bottom, and then one above right above it, for instance. |
| 18:34.57 | nvke | mustmr: the rar might be corrupted. try dropping it on ark to see if it loads. |
| 18:36.14 | xlotlu | i've seen a while ago a patch to make konsole copy to CLIPBOARD instead of SECONDARY on selection... just can't find it anymore. anyone happen to have that url stashed somewhere? |
| 18:36.15 | mustmr | it loads just fine |
| 18:36.41 | thiago | KDE doesn't use SECONDARY at all |
| 18:36.51 | thiago | but selection does set PRIMARY |
| 18:36.55 | xlotlu | sorry, s/SECONDARY/PRIMARY/ |
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| 18:37.22 | PhilOut | you can use "synchronize clipboard and selection" in klipper. That might be what you're looking for |
| 18:38.56 | xlotlu | PhilOut, no way, that's the most terrible experience possible, getting my clipboard inadvertently overwritten whenever i select something |
| 18:40.11 | xlotlu | i just want konsole to copy to clipboard instead of primary.. it's some 2 lines of code, but can't find them (me no good at c++ either) |
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| 18:43.46 | Lanken | can I run xfce-panel and kicker at the same time? I wonder... |
| 18:43.57 | ma_b_ | Something weird on KDE and kwallet (or what's the name of the password reminder?): I go to my website, the password is entered *without* master password request, then I login and *then* I'm asked for the master password to save this password. Isn't that weird? |
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| 18:44.14 | ma_b_ | KDE-> I mean using konqueror. |
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| 18:44.56 | nvke | Lanken: beware: if they try to occupy the same screen border, your KDE might collapse altogether. happened to me with 2 kickers. |
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| 18:45.40 | Lanken | nvke: freaky! may I ask why you had two instances of kicker running? or do you mean two kicker panels. |
| 18:45.53 | Lanken | because I've overlapped panels before plenty of times, with no ill effect. |
| 18:46.36 | nvke | Lanken: nope, two instances. iirc, I was trying to make 'em use different sets of settings or something. |
| 18:46.46 | Lanken | lol... |
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| 18:49.29 | nvke | ma_b_: I don't quite get it. How long after you logged in were you asked for the master pwd? |
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| 18:50.46 | DexterF | how can I save a video stream to disk? directly, that is, I got the url |
| 18:51.03 | nvke | try kaffeine->context menu->record stream |
| 18:51.09 | nvke | (by memory) |
| 18:51.33 | DexterF | kaffeine is currently busy timeshift buffering a tv program... |
| 18:51.43 | nvke | open a new kaffeine |
| 18:51.43 | DexterF | can't launch a second instance |
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| 18:51.50 | DexterF | won't start |
| 18:51.59 | nvke | to launch a second instance, use kaffeine --nofork |
| 18:52.24 | nvke | --nofork works on any kde app |
| 18:52.32 | DexterF | yay. thanks. |
| 18:52.40 | nvke | np. |
| 18:54.16 | DexterF | whoa. truckloaf error messages I don't know what to make of |
| 18:54.33 | DexterF | truckload even |
| 18:54.37 | nvke | nopaste |
| 18:54.43 | nvke | truckloaf lol |
| 18:54.59 | DexterF | nopaste...? |
| 18:55.14 | nvke | nopaste=paste in a paste site like cut.and.paste.org |
| 18:55.21 | DexterF | k |
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| 18:55.48 | DexterF | hmm. mostly german. ill summon it |
| 18:55.51 | DexterF | err |
| 18:55.55 | DexterF | sum it up |
| 18:56.23 | nvke | or your could switch you kde to english temporarily and save yourself the pain |
| 18:56.34 | DexterF | "the selected folder does not exist or is not readable" |
| 18:56.38 | DexterF | nah |
| 18:56.54 | nvke | when is this message shown? |
| 18:56.57 | DexterF | didnt select any folder right now. |
| 18:57.06 | DexterF | just after i said context->save stream |
| 18:57.26 | nvke | um, you should be playing a stream for it to work... |
| 18:57.33 | nvke | makes sense doesn't it? |
| 18:57.48 | DexterF | well, duh, after I opened the stream and it started playing of course |
| 18:57.49 | aseigo | DaSkreech: yo |
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| 18:57.59 | nvke | ah |
| 18:58.09 | DexterF | (which works nice as such) |
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| 18:58.23 | nvke | DexterF: and after the message is shown there's no apparent effect? |
| 18:58.43 | DexterF | I said "ok" to that error due to lack of options. after that I'm presented with a save dialog, kde style |
| 18:59.08 | nvke | DexterF: ok, ignore the error I guess. I see it often for no reason. |
| 18:59.16 | DexterF | I said "save" there (user's temp dir). then more errors: |
| 18:59.47 | DexterF | "source doesn't exist: mms://ms.mdcs.dtag.de/zdf/zdf/070422_spieledoku_nes_vh.wmv#save:/home/dexter/temp/zdf/070422_spieledoku_nes_vh.wmv " |
| 19:00.04 | nvke | try asking in #kaffeine too |
| 19:00.12 | DexterF | myup |
| 19:00.12 | nvke | I can't really help |
| 19:00.21 | DexterF | thanks anyway |
| 19:00.27 | nvke | np |
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| 19:04.34 | DexterF | how do make an app produce other language outputs from console? LC_ALL=en_EN or so? |
| 19:04.45 | pinotree | KDE_LANG=en_US |
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| 19:05.10 | nvke | I thought it's KDELANG with no _ |
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| 19:07.41 | DexterF | nope |
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| 19:07.49 | thiago | with _ |
| 19:07.57 | nvke | ok |
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| 19:08.19 | DexterF | neither works |
| 19:08.33 | DexterF | both KDELANG=en kwrite and KDELANG=en_EN kwrite launch it in english |
| 19:08.50 | nvke | huh |
| 19:08.53 | DexterF | err, in german |
| 19:09.06 | nvke | aha |
| 19:09.07 | thiago | it's "de" for GermaN |
| 19:09.08 | DexterF | sorry. |
| 19:09.27 | DexterF | yes, but I want it in english so I have kaff error msgs for the mailing list |
| 19:09.29 | annma | KDE_LANG |
| 19:09.31 | icwiener_ | And KDE_LANG, not KDELANG |
| 19:09.34 | thiago | en_US |
| 19:09.46 | Lupino | Anyone using ktorrent: Before I file a feature request to the ktorrent forum, please correct me if I'm wrong in the understanding that ktorrent does not have a dcop call to show/hide the main window. |
| 19:10.05 | DexterF | KDE_LANG doesn't work, too |
| 19:10.09 | thiago | Lupino: no, I don't think so and I don't see why one would need it |
| 19:10.16 | pinotree | KDE_LANG=en_US kapp |
| 19:10.24 | nvke | DexterF: formally there's no such country as england, hence there's no "EN" iso country code. try en_US as they said |
| 19:10.28 | icwiener_ | DexterF: What's the whole command you're using? |
| 19:10.40 | DexterF | ah, success - en_US did the trick |
| 19:10.51 | DexterF | thanks pinotree |
| 19:11.01 | thiago | or en_GB if you have that translation installed |
| 19:11.31 | DexterF | pinotree: indeed. didn't see it in the heat, my fault |
| 19:11.32 | Lupino | thiago: Every program has it, but in essence: I find it very convenient to hotkey all my apps to a short shell script that starts the application if it's not running, and if it is active toggles the window to/from tray. It's a lot more convenient than clicking the icon all the time ;) |
| 19:12.27 | benJIman | nvke: err there is a country known as England, I live there. |
| 19:12.41 | benJIman | It is a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland |
| 19:12.52 | nvke | benJIman: wait a sec |
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| 19:14.11 | nvke | benJIman: ok, agreed. |
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| 19:15.02 | DexterF | FFS. it spawns a xine session which produces german output again. I give up. |
| 19:15.32 | nvke | well you could _export_ it so all processes see it I guess |
| 19:15.36 | pinotree | xine is an external library |
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| 19:15.52 | pinotree | try with LANG=C KDE_LANG=en_US kapp |
| 19:15.52 | nvke | yes, so export LANG=en_US |
| 19:16.01 | nvke | yes. |
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| 19:16.53 | DexterF | *sigh*. alright... |
| 19:16.57 | thiago | Lupino: but you can do it nonetheless |
| 19:17.04 | thiago | Lupino: dcop ktorrent qt/KTorrent show |
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| 19:17.26 | nvke | wow, that works. |
| 19:17.29 | Lupino | oh hell.. I missed that all along, sheez. |
| 19:17.40 | Lupino | Thank you, thiago, I'm glad I asked here first :) |
| 19:17.55 | nvke | I wonder why it doesn't show in kdcop |
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| 19:18.27 | nvke | and the slash notation is new to me |
| 19:18.29 | Lupino | I guess kdcop only maps up the application-specific calls and not the standard qt ones. |
| 19:18.30 | nvke | gotta read up on dcop |
| 19:18.33 | DexterF | deosn't work. ill get me a strem ripper ad, screw it |
| 19:18.39 | Lupino | ditto on that, nvke |
| 19:18.51 | thiago | Lupino: that's not guaranteed to work in all versions |
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| 19:19.01 | thiago | Lupino: it can change from one version to the next. It's not a public DCOP call. |
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| 19:19.31 | Lupino | Well, it works for mine, that's all it takes to make me happy. |
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| 19:32.38 | DaSkreech | nvke: shouldn't that be --fork ? |
| 19:33.05 | DaSkreech | aseigo: I was just asking if there has been any discussion on the Logout menu for Plasma |
| 19:33.22 | aseigo | DaSkreech: what sort of discussion? |
| 19:33.36 | aseigo | DaSkreech: there's ongoing work on its look and feel... |
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| 19:34.12 | DaSkreech | aseigo: That sort of discussion |
| 19:34.26 | aseigo | ah. so. "why, yes. there has been and continues to be." ;) |
| 19:34.33 | DaSkreech | Great :) |
| 19:34.40 | DaSkreech | it's themeable? |
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| 19:35.37 | aacc | hi |
| 19:35.39 | Lanken | oooooh. kicker can do more elaborate layouts than I thought. |
| 19:35.43 | Lanken | screenshot forthcoming. |
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| 19:36.32 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Plasma deals with kicker as well? |
| 19:36.37 | aacc | can any when tell me how can i play video for the internet i mean what software i have to use |
| 19:36.48 | aseigo | DaSkreech: yes |
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| 19:37.09 | aseigo | aacc: you mean actual streaming video or flash based stuff like youtube? |
| 19:37.09 | DaSkreech | aacc: depends on the codecs you have isntalled ask in #yourdistro for more help |
| 19:37.32 | aacc | aseigo yes am new user |
| 19:37.58 | aseigo | aacc: cool =) that still doesn't answer the question =) so ... are we talking about youtube or something else entirely? |
| 19:38.00 | Lanken | http://pbox.co.nr/powerkicker.png |
| 19:38.04 | aacc | so i have to look for steam video player ? |
| 19:38.10 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Can you round the corners? That would get people to stop asking dock questions I'd hope |
| 19:38.23 | aseigo | DaSkreech: planned for plasma, yes. not for kicker. |
| 19:38.47 | DaSkreech | hmm |
| 19:39.03 | DaSkreech | can kicker panels do things like hug corners? |
| 19:39.09 | Lanken | DaSkreech: no. |
| 19:39.18 | Lanken | you can sort of simulate it with two panels that overlap |
| 19:39.18 | DaSkreech | So I can have my clock and a sysmonitor in the top right hand corner ? |
| 19:39.26 | aseigo | DaSkreech: yes |
| 19:39.32 | DaSkreech | aseigo: ^_^ |
| 19:39.41 | aacc | aseigo I want to play video !! |
| 19:39.44 | aseigo | just set it to top right and expand as necessary |
| 19:39.59 | Lanken | aseigo: are you a kicker dev or just a knowledgable 3rd party? |
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| 19:40.11 | aseigo | aacc: i understand. ok, let me just answer every possible permutation of your question (it is helpful if you can provide more feedback) |
| 19:40.15 | aseigo | Lanken: i maintain kicker |
| 19:40.26 | aacc | tks |
| 19:40.29 | aseigo | aacc: for youtube and the like you need to install Flash. you can get that from the macromedia web site |
| 19:40.41 | Lanken | aseigo: did you know that layouts like the one in my link above were possible? |
| 19:40.45 | Lanken | the bottom left corner. |
| 19:40.54 | aseigo | aacc: for local video or streaming content you need to install the appropraite codecs; that's an OS specific task (what operating system are you using?) |
| 19:41.04 | aacc | i did but i tried to access yahoo music |
| 19:41.23 | Kyral | Hmm anyone know a good video editor? |
| 19:41.24 | aseigo | aacc: then you can use KMPlayer or Kaffeine for the actualy user interface. i recommend installing both as KMPlayer is better for use embeded in a web page, and i like kaffeine better for regular usage |
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| 19:41.41 | Kyral | or if I have a bunch of AVIs and I wanna combine them back to back to back can I just cat them? :D |
| 19:41.45 | aacc | aseigo thamks man good luck |
| 19:41.51 | aacc | bye 4 now |
| 19:42.08 | aseigo | Lanken: since i made that possible, i should hope that i'm aware of that. =) |
| 19:42.38 | DaSkreech | Lanken: That's two panels in the lower left corner but only one at the upper left corner? |
| 19:42.40 | aseigo | ah, wait, that's the launcher applet... yeah, i've worked some on that one, but the bulk of that applet was someone else. |
| 19:42.47 | Lanken | aseigo: cool! this is a much better layout than what I had before. The launcher buttons were too big. |
| 19:42.52 | aseigo | ah, no, you are using 2 panels |
| 19:42.54 | aseigo | yeah.. that was me |
| 19:42.56 | aseigo | =) |
| 19:43.01 | Lanken | DaSkreech: it's three panels |
| 19:43.16 | DaSkreech | Lanken: Right. Duuuh :) |
| 19:43.18 | aseigo | that wasn't possible in earlier kde versions.. but from .. i think 3.4? |
| 19:43.32 | aseigo | there were some lingering bugs in early 3.4.x but they should mostly be worked out by now |
| 19:44.10 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Ah since you are here let me gripe ;-) |
| 19:44.10 | nvke | DaSkreech: nope, it's --nofork. No idea why. |
| 19:44.10 | aseigo | DaSkreech: only if you can phrase it as a question. |
| 19:44.10 | aseigo | it's irc jeopardy! |
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| 19:44.11 | DaSkreech | Can I have mouse wheel on a set of stacked applications on the kicker go through only that app? |
| 19:44.11 | Lanken | I kind of had to kludge the panels into place with drag actions, because of the way the config gui works. |
| 19:44.11 | aseigo | DaSkreech: nope |
| 19:44.18 | DaSkreech | aseigo: technical or just not implemented? |
| 19:44.22 | Lanken | but they seem to be staying put, so I'm very happy. |
| 19:44.24 | aseigo | DaSkreech: it used to be that way but then the other half of the universe wanted it the other way. and since that's how it works on other kicker elements i harmonized it. |
| 19:44.29 | DaSkreech | I would think that holding shift or ctrl shoudl be able to limit me |
| 19:44.31 | Lupino | aseigo: I know it's not your specific field, but you wouldn't happen to know anything about the Suse-kicker? I'm in Sabayon and it's a bit of a b**** to configure (the closest I get to configuring it is the .png's for the menu icon, but replacing the files don't do anything to it even after a reboot). |
| 19:44.35 | aseigo | DaSkreech: i decided not to make it configurable so as to: |
| 19:44.48 | aseigo | a) avoid Yet Another code path in kicker (you have no idea how many of those there are) |
| 19:44.54 | aseigo | b) see how many people would gripe about it |
| 19:44.59 | DaSkreech | aseigo: I recalled you blogged it was a nightmare |
| 19:45.01 | aseigo | the answer to (b) has been "few, but boy are they vocal" |
| 19:45.27 | aseigo | Lupino: you're using the gnome tool to configure the kde desktop? |
| 19:45.34 | DaSkreech | aseigo: I have like 14-17 konqueror windows open and like 5 konsoles It would be nice to keep the roundrobin in the family |
| 19:45.44 | aseigo | Lupino: as for configurability of it... i believe binner wrote a blog recently about htat |
| 19:46.01 | Lupino | aseigo: No.. It never occured to me to use gnome to configure kde :p |
| 19:46.10 | Lupino | hm, I'll search for that, thanks. |
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| 19:46.16 | aseigo | DaSkreech: i dunno. it optimizes exactly one usage: going to the start or eng of the list by scrolling indiscriminately |
| 19:46.25 | Lanken | DaSkreech: separate desktops? |
| 19:46.26 | aseigo | DaSkreech: it does zero for the middle items in the same list, for instance |
| 19:46.42 | aseigo | DaSkreech: and if it loops around and around in the same item then there's little benefit for all of them |
| 19:46.56 | DaSkreech | aseigo: well actually you know what else could be done? |
| 19:46.57 | aseigo | DaSkreech: it also makes it impossible to use the mouse wheel to navigate to other windows |
| 19:47.03 | Lanken | I was using windows XP today, and being unable to mousewheel on the taskbar was so painful. |
| 19:47.20 | DaSkreech | If the stacked set of apps has been highlighted (so that you get the list of all of them up) then the mousewhell only goes thoughr that list |
| 19:47.24 | aseigo | Lanken: windows is urdu for "pain like toenails being pulled" iirc |
| 19:47.25 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.54 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Ha ha ha :) |
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| 19:48.18 | nvke | Kyral: kde video editors I know of are kdenlive and vivia |
| 19:48.35 | DaSkreech | Kino! |
| 19:49.07 | DaSkreech | aseigo: I don't want the ability to go through all the windows removed. that makes sense. |
| 19:49.37 | DaSkreech | I was initially asking that a modifier key restricts it to the current mouseovered app |
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| 19:51.09 | kristjan_ | Is there anything I can do to set konqueror download properly .emerlad files? |
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| 19:51.27 | DaSkreech | but I think that having mousewheel work on the expanded list of windows would be just as discoverable and useful |
| 19:51.30 | PhilOut | kristjan_: what are .emerald files? |
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| 19:51.49 | Lupino | Probably theme files for Beryl's emerald wm |
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| 19:52.53 | DaSkreech | aseigo: but that's a philosophical change you don't want to make? |
| 19:53.11 | aseigo | DaSkreech: i'd be cool with it working on an expanded list, yes. |
| 19:53.19 | kristjan_ | here is one example - http://tinyurl.com/2d9enf - clicking on "download" will show me warning about corrupted binary |
| 19:53.32 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Ok that makes the most sense now that I think about it |
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| 19:54.01 | aseigo | kristjan_: the web server is probably advertising the wrong mimetype. can you just shift-click save it? |
| 19:55.26 | kristjan_ | aseigo: I do, but then again, why does firefox handle this situation differently? (with your proposed workaround I get to save file named "download.php") |
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| 19:57.12 | aseigo | nvke: yes |
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| 19:59.47 | nvke | DaSkreech: you might be interested in mateedit |
| 19:59.51 | DaSkreech | KDE 4.0 could whiten your teeth and advance stem cell research and still leave a significant part of the population disappointed (Slashdot user #345234: “This is total bull! KLawnMower isn’t ready yet? My grass isn’t cutting itself!”) |
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| 20:00.18 | nvke | lol |
| 20:01.49 | kristjan_ | nice x crashed :/ anyways - would messing around with "File Associations" in konq. settings change that .emerald binary warning behaviour on download attempt then clicking on download.php change anything? |
| 20:02.53 | nvke | kristjan_: try it. it is likely that you'll get the downloading problem fixed but the filename will still be download.php. |
| 20:03.28 | DaSkreech | nvke: That... but in kate :) |
| 20:04.16 | nvke | DaSkreech: yep, the guy who created mateedit did it as an experiment for his future work on a collaborative kate |
| 20:04.29 | nvke | (iirc) |
| 20:05.10 | DaSkreech | nvke: !!! sounds like time to fire off the mail :) |
| 20:05.30 | nvke | yah :) |
| 20:06.57 | kramed | is konversation better than xchat? |
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| 20:08.23 | kristjan_ | nvke: nope, konq. still displays binary warning |
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| 20:08.58 | DaSkreech | kramed: it is if you like it |
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| 20:10.51 | Kyral | mm Avidemux is nice :D |
| 20:12.21 | nvke | kramed: almost anyone in this channel will say so, as we oft prefer KDE apps to their so called best-of-the-breed equivalents. |
| 20:12.27 | nvke | kramed: give it a shot. |
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| 20:13.42 | Sho_ | kramed: Try both, see what you like better ... in #kde many will prefer the KDE app (Konversation) of course |
| 20:14.21 | Sho_ | Lanken: yup |
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| 20:15.30 | Lanken | kramed: for me the biggest selling-points of xchat over konversation are the right-justified nick layout, which pretty nice. |
| 20:15.52 | Lanken | and that GTK does a better job with unicode prioritization than qt3 |
| 20:16.15 | Sho_ | What is "unicode prioritization"? |
| 20:16.37 | Lanken | substituting e.g. IPA characters from one font when using another for ascii text. |
| 20:17.09 | Sho_ | That's called "font substitution" and has little to do with unicode specifically |
| 20:17.11 | kristjan_ | maybe I should try making konqueror save the binary file instead of showing it within the browser |
| 20:17.13 | Lanken | qt3 (and konversation) behaves perfectly when I'm using any DejaVu font, or (randomly) fixed(gnu) |
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| 20:17.49 | Lanken | Sho_: terminology is hard sometimes. But what other kind of encoding calls for substitution? |
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| 20:18.28 | Sho_ | Lanken: Substitution is always called for when $font doesn't have $glyph |
| 20:18.36 | nvke | kristjan_: yes, of course this will work. the only problem is that you need to do it manually every time. |
| 20:18.46 | nvke | good night room. |
| 20:19.00 | kristjan_ | nvke: what's the logic behind showing binary in browser? |
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| 20:19.06 | kristjan_ | doh |
| 20:19.08 | Sho_ | Lanken: The process of substitution is figuring out what $font might have $glyph and then use $glyph from that $font |
| 20:19.17 | Lanken | Sho_: I live in a very limited world...all I know is ascii and unicode. |
| 20:19.23 | Lanken | (ansi, ascii, w/e) |
| 20:20.35 | Sho_ | Lanken: There are a several hundred different encodings, of which about two dozen are actually relevant in the real world |
| 20:21.06 | DaSkreech | kristjan_: Jpgs? |
| 20:21.24 | Lanken | Sho_: I thought most of those two dozen were breeds of unicode. |
| 20:22.10 | Lanken | oh, wow. utf-8 is unicode, but I see... there are many others. |
| 20:22.30 | kristjan_ | DaSkreech: I want it to behave like firefox, offer to download binary, instead of trying to display cryptic symbols in browser itself. Do you know of the way to do it? |
| 20:22.34 | Lanken | iso-8859this, iso-8859that |
| 20:22.50 | DaSkreech | kristjan_: Normally i just right click and download |
| 20:23.06 | DaSkreech | else I can just save the file and then open it in the right app |
| 20:23.10 | Sho_ | Lanken: No. Most of those are encodings relevant to certain languages or language families, and primarily used in certain corners of the world, e.g. Europe or Japan. Unicode is an attempt to replace those specialized and frequently incompatible encodings with a unified system. |
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| 20:23.30 | Lanken | right, I get it now. |
| 20:23.57 | kristjan_ | DaSkreech: but, then I get file called "download.php" that I manually have to rename. ah well, do you think this is worth of bug report in ubuntu launchpad? |
| 20:24.02 | Lanken | any idea why substitution works right with DejaVu fonts, but not with others? I should check what format these fonts are in. |
| 20:24.09 | Lanken | otf, ttf |
| 20:25.32 | kristjan_ | Lanken: can you read this > õäöü |
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| 20:25.55 | Lanken | kristjan_: yes. o~a:o:u: |
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| 20:26.36 | Sho_ | Lanken: The different notation forms of Unicode (utf-8, utf-16, etc.) are mostly needed for different modes of usage of Unicode. For example utf-8 is a good storage and exchange notation because it's space-efficient due to using variable amounts of bytes per character (i.e. as few as needed), but this same attribute sucks when working on text data in a computer program because you can't e.g. jump ahead X characters without looking at all the data. So there are |
| 20:26.36 | Sho_ | things like Utf-16 which uses a fixed amount of bytes for all characters in the Basic Multilingual Plane that allow you to make such assumptions, etc. |
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| 20:29.18 | DaSkreech | kristjan_: Oh no I mean after Konqueror opens the binary file I just do a save as |
| 20:29.36 | kristjan_ | DaSkreech: isn't it corrupt then? |
| 20:29.58 | DaSkreech | kristjan_: Nope |
| 20:30.05 | DaSkreech | Not as far as I can see |
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| 20:31.44 | kristjan_ | DaSkreech: 2nd warning then trying to save would suggest otherwise http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1910/snapshot1vo5.png |
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| 20:33.22 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 20:33.31 | BloodyTux | yo |
| 20:33.43 | DaSkreech | if it is corrupted you delete |
| 20:33.50 | BloodyTux | what's going on? |
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| 20:37.00 | DaSkreech | if it isn't corrupted then SKORE!! |
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| 20:39.50 | Lanken | DaSkreech: you could always have used wget on it... |
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| 20:39.50 | Lanken | or kget |
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| 20:42.01 | Lanken | Sho_: it's more complicated than I thought. For any given font, the substitution program is very picky about how well the fonts match. |
| 20:42.19 | Sho_ | Lanken: It's a highly complex matter |
| 20:42.22 | Lanken | they really have to blend in very well or they are not substituted. |
| 20:42.48 | Lanken | can I do something to make it less finicky? |
| 20:42.55 | Sho_ | Lanken: Font technology is high in the list of the most complicated parts of the desktop system |
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| 20:48.11 | Lanken | that makes sense. Fonts merit a great deal of optimization. |
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| 20:50.52 | kristjan_ | there are "file associatons" stored? (I would like to delete it to restore distro's default) |
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| 20:53.27 | Lanken | ok weird bug here... |
| 20:53.52 | Lanken | I just clicked a launcher and it worked, but my cursor remains a glove-hand, and I can't click anything but that one launcher. |
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| 20:56.10 | mrigns | Lanken: did you try changing to tty# and back? |
| 20:56.26 | Lanken | I think if I go to a tty, X will hang permanently. |
| 20:56.37 | Lanken | because I changed the dpi in xorg.conf |
| 20:56.41 | Lanken | but it went away. |
| 20:57.04 | Lanken | I was going to try restarting kicker (in case that was where the problem was) but by the time I got my konvi konsole open, it was gone. |
| 20:57.18 | mrigns | lol |
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| 21:03.14 | Vladsharp | hi! is there a proper channel to talk about Smoke? |
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| 21:05.38 | Vladsharp | anyone? |
| 21:10.01 | ma_b_ | user nvke has left? So again: |
| 21:10.15 | ma_b_ | Something weird on konqueror and kwallet (or what's the name of the password reminder?): I go to my website, the password is entered *without* master password request, then I login and *then* I'm asked for the master password to save this password. Isn't that weird? |
| 21:12.21 | bneal | does anyone know of a program to monitor cpu fan speeds? |
| 21:13.12 | Simkin | bneal: ksensors |
| 21:13.13 | Simkin | i think |
| 21:13.14 | DaSkreech | Smoke? |
| 21:13.17 | GNU\colossus | nl_sensors |
| 21:13.19 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Oh |
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| 21:13.27 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Krunner? |
| 21:13.30 | bneal | nl_sensors? |
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| 21:14.01 | mrigns | you dont like whole sentences, do you? |
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| 21:19.48 | aseigo | DaSkreech: krunner? |
| 21:19.51 | aseigo | krunner! |
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| 21:21.58 | quentin_ | hello |
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| 21:22.56 | PhilOut | hi quentin_ |
| 21:22.58 | quentin_ | i use a small session script for amarok + amarokFS. it launches kwin but i still miss the key-shortcuts definied in kcontrol |
| 21:23.12 | pinotree | launches kwin?? |
| 21:23.13 | quentin_ | how can i launch that service in my session= |
| 21:23.18 | PhilRod | quentin_: which shortcuts in particular? |
| 21:23.30 | pinotree | then what window manager are you using? |
| 21:23.41 | quentin_ | a self definied one to call the amarok playlist via dcop |
| 21:24.14 | quentin_ | pinotree, kwin |
| 21:24.26 | pinotree | then why do you have to launch it? |
| 21:24.32 | pinotree | it's already running, no? |
| 21:24.50 | quentin_ | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/AmarokFS-session?content=53769 |
| 21:25.03 | quentin_ | i did not write the script! ;) |
| 21:25.42 | quentin_ | but I need to add a trick to get my amarok window shown when it's minimized to tray |
| 21:26.01 | quentin_ | for me, the only solution is a dcop call |
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| 21:27.03 | quentin_ | PhilRod, how do i launch the kde service for shortcuts? |
| 21:27.35 | PhilRod | depends on which shortcut you mean |
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| 21:32.26 | quentin_ | PhilRod, regional settings -> keyboard shortcuts |
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| 21:33.25 | PhilRod | quentin_: there are lots of shortcuts there :-). Which one(s) do you want in particular? |
| 21:33.51 | quentin_ | tell me how to launch kcontrol in english and i'll tell you |
| 21:34.50 | DaSkreech | aseigo: That should take over from katapult? |
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| 21:35.14 | czester | Hello |
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| 21:35.30 | czester | Is there a fix for kopete adding extra lines in chat? |
| 21:36.05 | aseigo | DaSkreech: no; katapult does things a bit different and i can imagine people would prefer it the way katapult does it |
| 21:36.20 | aseigo | DaSkreech: krunner has some additional requirements forced upon it due to needing to be a general run command dialog as well |
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| 21:36.59 | DaSkreech | ok what's the differences |
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| 21:37.52 | PhilRod | quentin_: KDE_LANG=en kcontrol |
| 21:37.54 | apokryphos | katapult is nice but still has no proper way for dealing with inline results, like i.e. kickoff |
| 21:38.02 | DaSkreech | aseigo: I heard they were to share plugins? |
| 21:38.15 | DaSkreech | apokryphos: I though kickoff was a menu ? |
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| 21:38.47 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: yeah, but menus tend to.. launch things, so it makes sense to integrate it |
| 21:39.05 | apokryphos | I'm not saying every app unlike that is wrong or a bad metaphor, I'm just saying it can make sense |
| 21:39.26 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: that is to say, kickoff is a launcher/searcher/menu. |
| 21:39.31 | DaSkreech | apokryphos: How does that work with krunner? |
| 21:39.41 | aseigo | DaSkreech: yes, that was our last conversation (sharing plugins) |
| 21:39.50 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: krunner doesn't integrate into the menu; it's like katapult but with inline results |
| 21:39.53 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Cool . is there a techbase page on taht? |
| 21:40.16 | DaSkreech | apokryphos: Ohhh I thought you meant lanching kickoff from inside katapult |
| 21:40.24 | apokryphos | heh, nope 8) |
| 21:40.28 | aseigo | DaSkreech: no as the interface isn't finalized yet |
| 21:40.53 | DaSkreech | aseigo: That would force katapult to move to KDE main? |
| 21:40.53 | aseigo | DaSkreech: i will be adding one as soon as i'm fairly confident it won't change too much more |
| 21:40.59 | DaSkreech | instead of extra gear? |
| 21:41.05 | aseigo | DaSkreech: mm.. no; it would mean it would have a dependency on workspace though |
| 21:41.06 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: a bit more like spotlight for OS X, at the moment. |
| 21:41.31 | Alethes | howdy aseigo |
| 21:41.39 | DaSkreech | apokryphos: Hmm What is missing from katapult in your opinion ? |
| 21:41.41 | apokryphos | krunner has some nice stuff; I think the demarcation of search results/applications etc could be clearer |
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| 21:42.30 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: no inline search results. Type 'mail' and you get one application of.. 3? |
| 21:42.37 | deadsouls | when i use "send link..." or "send file..." in akregator, nothing happens. i've checked my components and KMail is the default mail client (which i use every day). anyone experienced this before? any way to fix it? |
| 21:42.43 | DaSkreech | I had the feeling that krunner would be an extension of the current Klauncher |
| 21:42.44 | apokryphos | actually I'm not sure it even uses .desktop files for its searching atm |
| 21:42.50 | DaSkreech | It should use strigi |
| 21:42.59 | DaSkreech | but that's a well duhhh for any app in KDe4 |
| 21:43.12 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: hm, I had a kde four live screencast which also goes through krunner, let me see if I can find it |
| 21:43.21 | DaSkreech | apokryphos: Sweet :) |
| 21:44.28 | DaSkreech | aseigo: What would you think is out of scope for krunner? |
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| 21:44.29 | apokryphos | DaSkreech: ok, so this is an old version, but anyway: http://francis.giannaros.org/screenshots/kde4-livecd.ogg |
| 21:44.29 | stoned | hi |
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| 21:44.48 | stoned | my clock in the panel shows 17:44 instead of 5:44. my date/time setting is pH:MM:SS |
| 21:44.53 | stoned | why is it still showing 17:xx |
| 21:45.00 | stoned | i need a 12 hour clock not 24, any help |
| 21:46.39 | stoned | when I go into rightclick clock, date and time format, it shows at the bottom int he dialog hat its 5:46(12 hour clcok) but not on the panel |
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| 21:48.25 | DaSkreech | aseigo: One more ping :) |
| 21:48.32 | LnxSlck | snif |
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| 21:48.56 | stoned | oh nevermind |
| 21:48.58 | DaSkreech | should I reping aseigo? :-D |
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| 21:49.09 | stoned | I guess no one wants to support in a support channel |
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| 21:49.20 | stoned | fucking useless |
| 21:49.21 | DaSkreech | stoned: I'm not sure |
| 21:49.46 | PhilRod | stoned: less of that please |
| 21:50.01 | aseigo | DaSkreech: it's more the UI approach differences between katapult and krunner than "out of scope" really ; nothing is really "out of scope" for krunner though we'll install a limited set of plugins by default of course =) |
| 21:50.02 | stoned | PhilRod: yes you're right.. less of support |
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| 21:50.23 | *** kick/#kde [stoned!n=phil@lincdhcp23669.linc.ox.ac.uk] by PhilRod (User terminated!) |
| 21:50.26 | PhilRod | idiot |
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| 21:50.37 | DaSkreech | aseigo: ah of course :) katapult UI could use some branching |
| 21:50.43 | stoned | this is how you support kde? |
| 21:50.44 | stoned | wow |
| 21:50.54 | aseigo | stoned: try restarting the panel |
| 21:50.58 | DaSkreech | aseigo: will the clock in KDE4 be able to interact with outside events ? |
| 21:51.00 | stoned | aseigo: ok |
| 21:51.00 | aseigo | stoned: it may simply not have gotten the update signal |
| 21:51.00 | apokryphos | stoned: people in here are volunteers |
| 21:51.08 | stoned | aseigo: hey it worked |
| 21:51.10 | stoned | thanks |
| 21:51.12 | stoned | much appreciated |
| 21:51.12 | aseigo | stoned: and for future reference, if you ever behave like that again i will kickban you |
| 21:51.13 | apokryphos | stoned: your attitude in here greatly determines other's willingness to help you |
| 21:51.23 | aseigo | stoned: give us a minute to reply and act kindly to others. |
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| 21:51.30 | stoned | aseigo: I am sorry |
| 21:51.33 | aseigo | stoned: thank you. |
| 21:51.38 | stoned | no.. thank you |
| 21:51.45 | stoned | I see the error of my way |
| 21:51.49 | stoned | I got impatient |
| 21:52.05 | DaSkreech | aseigo: yes or no? |
| 21:52.10 | aseigo | DaSkreech: the idea is to integrate with akonadi once it's ready, yes |
| 21:52.17 | DaSkreech | aseigo: Wheee :) |
| 21:52.24 | DaSkreech | Ok I'll be quiet till next month |
| 21:52.30 | DaSkreech | Except about kate |
| 21:52.31 | aseigo | jesus. christ. people. i havee two hands and as many computers that i'm working on simultaneously. that gives one hand per computer. =) |
| 21:52.36 | DaSkreech | and Knoware |
| 21:53.06 | DaSkreech | but those are out of a's hands so I'll bug someone else |
| 21:54.37 | stoned | I suppose if i hadn't used the word fuck and just said it was useless it won't have had me kicked? |
| 21:54.42 | stoned | PhilRod: my bad |
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| 21:55.14 | peppe | my KDE applications hangs at their startup trying to do "connect(11, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16" ... what's going on? |
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| 21:56.12 | peppe | (11 is a tcp socket) |
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| 21:56.43 | aseigo | peppe: do you have an entry for localhost in /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:57.30 | peppe | aseigo: yes, 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 21:58.09 | mauke | how can I make dcop calls from non-kde programs? |
| 21:58.21 | PhilRod | mauke: use the "dcop" commandline app |
| 21:58.28 | mauke | :/ |
| 21:58.48 | PhilRod | there's an example in the user guide, section "scripting the desktop" |
| 21:58.59 | mauke | yeah, that's what I'm doing |
| 21:59.13 | PhilRod | alternatively, I think you can link to the dcop library separately from the rest of KDE |
| 21:59.28 | PhilRod | don't quote me on that though - you could ask in #kde-devel |
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| 22:02.27 | KRF | what could be the problem if my usb stick gets indentified as a (static) hard disk? when i mount it by clicking on the desktop link, the symbol vanishes; that didn't happen before. maybe an update? |
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| 22:03.09 | drivamgr2006 | Evening all. |
| 22:04.00 | drivamgr2006 | Could someone tell me how to enable a root login with KDM please? I need to root login within KDE and am getting told "Root logins are not allowed" |
| 22:04.52 | aseigo | peppe: hm... that is odd; do the apps freeze permenantly or do they "come out of it" after a period of some minutes? |
| 22:04.58 | qupada | drivamgr2006: do you know where your system stores its kdmrc file? |
| 22:05.10 | qupada | drivamgr2006: because you have to edit it |
| 22:05.13 | drivamgr2006 | not a clue |
| 22:05.30 | drivamgr2006 | it is most likely under /home/thor |
| 22:05.48 | drivamgr2006 | is it a .kdmrc? |
| 22:05.50 | qupada | drivamgr2006: no, it's a global config file. what distro? |
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| 22:05.55 | KRF | i've enabled "connected removeable media" in kcontrol |
| 22:06.22 | PhilRod | peppe: is the hostname set up correctly? is the lo interface up? is the firewall preventing local connections? |
| 22:06.36 | peppe | aseigo: the latter. I have no firewall rule to drop incoming packets, and just can't figure out why kde apps want to do that (other applications don't) |
| 22:06.55 | PhilRod | g'night |
| 22:07.52 | peppe | PhilRod: yes, lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1, ping localhost / 127.0.0.1 works, telnet localhost 111 hangs |
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| 22:08.53 | peppe | d'oh :-) |
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| 22:10.35 | drivamgr2006 | Apologies for disappearing. KSirc crashed on me |
| 22:10.49 | drivamgr2006 | I missed most of the help I got, so if someone could assist again, I would appreciate it. |
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| 22:11.18 | qupada | drivamgr2006: right, well kdmrc is a global config file, so it will definately not be in /home. what distro are you running? |
| 22:11.51 | drivamgr2006 | Mandriva 2007.0 |
| 22:11.58 | drivamgr2006 | KDE 3.5.4 |
| 22:12.25 | qupada | ok, well google tells me you want to edit /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc then |
| 22:12.33 | Lanken | drivamgr2006: that's not Mandriva Spring 2007, is it? |
| 22:12.38 | drivamgr2006 | nope |
| 22:12.40 | Lanken | drivamgr2006: I want to try Metisse. |
| 22:12.45 | drivamgr2006 | its predecessor |
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| 22:13.15 | drivamgr2006 | 2007.0 - Spring RC is 2007.1 |
| 22:13.22 | qupada | somewhere near the top of the file you should see a line that says "AllowRootLogin=false", you just need to change that, then restart kdm |
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| 22:13.36 | drivamgr2006 | aha! |
| 22:13.48 | jarn | What program would I use to sync a folder on an external drive to a folder on my harddrive? |
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| 22:14.05 | drivamgr2006 | so go to etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc and edit there |
| 22:14.13 | drivamgr2006 | right! |
| 22:14.18 | qupada | drivamgr2006: yep. you'll need to edit it as root |
| 22:14.32 | drivamgr2006 | no prob. Will do it in TTY1 |
| 22:14.38 | drivamgr2006 | do a console login |
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| 22:18.42 | S0NiCaw | gn8 |
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| 22:39.32 | pikudo | hello is there any way to add nxfish to fish on older kde versions?, pls |
| 22:41.00 | graft | nxfish? |
| 22:41.03 | graft | how old? |
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| 22:45.50 | pikudo | 3.4 |
| 22:46.23 | Kyral | grr |
| 22:46.33 | Kyral | anyone know how to make Kate stop opening maximized? |
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| 22:48.01 | Kasyx | Hello. Is there a system monitor tool for KDE? A bit like the one in gnome? http://tinyurl.com/2o55pf |
| 22:48.14 | pikudo | the idea is to ude this to mount samba shares inside a remote NX session (no additional user- or hostname needed), the KIO slave will connect to a special share on the local NX client (default is "${HOME}/NX-Shares") and will show all contained files in a remote Konqueror window. You can move files into and out from the share from any side of the NX connection, and thusly dynamically change the files which are shared. |
| 22:48.28 | Kyral | Kasyx: KSysGuard |
| 22:48.46 | Kasyx | Thanks :-D |
| 22:48.47 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: press ctrl+esc |
| 22:49.23 | Kasyx | I only get a list of processes though. How can I get graphs and things? |
| 22:50.45 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: k->system->performance manager |
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| 22:52.46 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: found it? |
| 22:52.46 | Kasyx | Not there :-) |
| 22:53.26 | Kasyx | What's the program called? I might not have it installed |
| 22:53.30 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: press alt+f2 and type ksysguard :-) |
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| 22:54.20 | Kasyx | Got it, thanks |
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| 22:54.38 | Kasyx | Does it show separate CPU cores do you know? |
| 22:55.44 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: not in a nice way |
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| 22:56.07 | Kasyx | JohnFlux: I don't think I've heard a better summation of linux in general ;-) |
| 22:56.15 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: you can make a new tab, and make your own sensor |
| 22:56.34 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: yeah, seriously understaffed :-) |
| 22:56.58 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: I've been meaning to try to add multiple cpu cores, but I can't even afford a multiple cpu core machine myself :P |
| 22:57.10 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: (i'm the maintainer of ksysguard btw ) |
| 22:57.15 | Simkin | JohnFlux: go to a bank, rob it. |
| 22:57.18 | Simkin | go to computer store |
| 22:57.21 | Simkin | buy computer |
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| 22:57.24 | JohnFlux | hehe |
| 22:57.34 | Simkin | you cold skip step one, and just rob a computer store |
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| 22:57.44 | Simkin | but then if you have faulty hardware you gotta steal a second time. |
| 22:58.05 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 22:58.09 | JohnFlux | unless I steal a warrantee the first time |
| 22:58.28 | Kyral | hmm are there tarballs for the latest KDE4 snapshot? |
| 22:58.47 | pinotree | yes, but they are getting old |
| 22:58.53 | Kyral | hmm |
| 22:59.02 | Kyral | When is the next snapshot scheduled? |
| 22:59.13 | Kyral | (kdesvn-build is crapping out big time on me) |
| 22:59.16 | pinotree | nope |
| 22:59.34 | JohnFlux | Kyral: svn will never compile on a monday :-) |
| 22:59.41 | Kyral | lol |
| 22:59.41 | JohnFlux | Kyral: monday is the one day we get to break everything |
| 22:59.45 | Kasyx | JohnFlux: this is a really, really nice app |
| 22:59.46 | Kyral | Well, it also failed on Sunday :p |
| 22:59.48 | hagabaka | has anyone else been getting "double scrollbars" in konqueror? there are two vertical scrollbars next to each other for some web pages, as if the page used a frame that occupies the whole window. but it's happened to me in a few different sites... |
| 23:00.03 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: the kde4 version is a lot nicer :-) |
| 23:00.18 | Kasyx | Yeah, I cannot wait for KDE 4. Is it anywhere remotely near stable yet? |
| 23:00.25 | JohnFlux | hagabaka: yeah I had that |
| 23:00.37 | hagabaka | so is it a known bug? |
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| 23:00.43 | JohnFlux | hagabaka: i assumed it was a broken website |
| 23:00.45 | graft | ksysguard is a nice app? |
| 23:00.55 | JohnFlux | hagabaka: i don't know |
| 23:00.57 | Kasyx | graft: yeah. It works, mainly heh |
| 23:01.05 | JohnFlux | graft: if you look past it's ugliness |
| 23:01.08 | JohnFlux | graft: and clumbiness |
| 23:01.09 | hagabaka | i thought so at first, but i've never gotten it since recently... |
| 23:01.09 | Kasyx | Which is more than can be said for alot of things in linux. They mostly 'almost' work |
| 23:01.10 | graft | yo, you have low standards |
| 23:01.13 | JohnFlux | graft: and my misspellings |
| 23:01.16 | graft | ksysguard is horrifying |
| 23:01.38 | JohnFlux | graft: well, it can monitor multiple remote systems |
| 23:01.40 | Kasyx | Hey, it's functional. It's a functional tool for a functional reason. It doesn't need to be pretty to tell me that both processors are actually working ;-) |
| 23:01.45 | JohnFlux | graft: and run on pretty much any architecture |
| 23:01.48 | Kasyx | That, to me, is a nice app |
| 23:01.58 | Kasyx | Simplicity, and lowest common denomonator ftw. |
| 23:02.15 | hagabaka | hmm, i guess it is a broken website |
| 23:02.17 | Kyral | pinotree: KDE4 Beta 1 will have tarballs right? |
| 23:02.25 | JohnFlux | graft: one sec, let me take a pic of what it looks like now in kde4 :-) |
| 23:02.28 | hagabaka | can't even load the validator page, because the page <link>'s to itself |
| 23:03.26 | pinotree | Kyral: sute, but why waiting for betas? |
| 23:03.34 | pinotree | if you want to try, compile svn |
| 23:03.41 | Kyral | pinotree: 'cause kdesvn-build ain't happy ATM |
| 23:03.46 | hagabaka | wait that's not the problem |
| 23:03.51 | pinotree | build manually |
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| 23:04.04 | pinotree | there are clear instructions on techbase.kde.org |
| 23:04.38 | Kyral | mmm |
| 23:04.39 | pinotree | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
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| 23:05.17 | JohnFlux | graft: http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6247/ksysguard1ih4.png |
| 23:05.44 | pinotree | ksysguard is getting nice... but i'll stick to my gkrellm :-P |
| 23:06.05 | graft | oh wait... you're talking about the actuall app, or the taskbar applet? |
| 23:06.48 | JohnFlux | pinotree: actually I'm hoping to release a superkaramba version with kde 4.0 as well |
| 23:07.14 | izaak | superkaramba is a resource hog |
| 23:08.16 | JohnFlux | izaak: hopefully the plasma widget things will make it in time for kde 4.0 |
| 23:08.27 | JohnFlux | i think the idea long time is a sort of merge between them |
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| 23:09.27 | archangelpetro | evening all |
| 23:09.30 | True_Friend | can i show my harddrives on Desktop? if yes how? using KDE 3.5.6 in Kubuntu Feisty (there was an option last time but now i could not find) |
| 23:10.34 | pinotree | True_Friend: right click on the desktop -> configure desktop -> behaviour -> device icons |
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| 23:11.28 | True_Friend | thnx |
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| 23:22.32 | Kasyx | Is there a guide anywhere for installing flash 9 on konqueror? |
| 23:22.55 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: that's distro specific |
| 23:22.59 | JohnFlux | Kasyx: which distro? |
| 23:23.02 | Kasyx | Gentoo |
| 23:23.14 | JohnFlux | ask in that channel |
| 23:23.34 | Kasyx | Heh yeah |
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| 23:26.09 | Nyle | I switched to xfce4 |
| 23:26.14 | Nyle | kde was nice for a few years |
| 23:26.30 | {Nathan} | KDE is good if you have the power. |
| 23:26.32 | Nyle | lately I get lots of segfaults |
| 23:26.41 | {Nathan} | xfce is nice because it runs KDE apps without sucking |
| 23:26.52 | Nyle | i've a core 2 duo 2gb ram 3.5ghz and ram timings are at CAS4 latency |
| 23:26.54 | {Nathan} | all the good X apps are for KDE from what I've seen. |
| 23:26.56 | Nyle | kde is horribly slow |
| 23:26.59 | Nyle | xfce just zooms past |
| 23:27.08 | Nyle | I will use maybe konqueror and ktorrent |
| 23:27.18 | Nyle | but can't use kde for my desktop anymore until kde4 |
| 23:27.21 | {Nathan} | KDE runs with flying colors on my 1.6ghz 512mb ram desktop |
| 23:27.37 | Nyle | don't misunderstand me |
| 23:27.40 | Nyle | i love kde |
| 23:27.42 | TheDebugger | {Nathan}:True :) |
| 23:27.42 | {Nathan} | although there arn't any good IRC programs for KDE. I use irssi. |
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| 23:27.45 | Nyle | but i just got sick of using it |
| 23:27.53 | TheDebugger | Konversation is nice |
| 23:27.53 | Nyle | time for a change |
| 23:27.57 | Nyle | meh |
| 23:28.03 | TheDebugger | k3b is nice, amarok is "wow" |
| 23:28.04 | {Nathan} | argh, I hate konverstation with a passion |
| 23:28.04 | Nyle | sho wouldn't implement right aligned nicks |
| 23:28.09 | padde | konversation is perfect, imo :) |
| 23:28.13 | Nyle | no it isn't |
| 23:28.14 | Nyle | imo |
| 23:28.20 | {Nathan} | plus, I can't ssh to my desktop via a 133mhz 32mb ram laptop and then access konversation |
| 23:28.23 | Nyle | no right aligned nicks, no themeing support |
| 23:28.28 | Nyle | how is it perfecT? |
| 23:28.36 | padde | Nyle: wtf? theming?? |
| 23:28.46 | Nyle | yes themeing |
| 23:28.50 | Nyle | irc text styling |
| 23:28.57 | Nyle | konv. is ugly out of the box |
| 23:29.15 | padde | what do you want to style in plain text? |
| 23:29.18 | Nyle | colors |
| 23:29.26 | Nyle | maybe change the irc output to the way i like |
| 23:29.28 | Nyle | in xchat |
| 23:29.31 | Nyle | or better yet, irssi |
| 23:29.32 | {Nathan} | padde: even irssi has theming, and that's all text |
| 23:29.50 | Nyle | its a good product but far from finished |
| 23:29.50 | padde | umm... ok |
| 23:29.52 | Nyle | and im not downing on it |
| 23:30.04 | {Nathan} | transparent konsole + themes + cool background = ftw |
| 23:30.04 | Nyle | just saying its not perfect, as you say |
| 23:30.08 | padde | strange needs, but well... what were the reasons for not implementing it? |
| 23:30.20 | Nyle | i will take speed and productivity over eye candy any day |
| 23:30.27 | Nyle | but im anal about certain things |
| 23:30.39 | padde | hrhr.... colours in irc ;) |
| 23:30.41 | Nyle | for example, right aligned irc text/nicks and able to theme it |
| 23:30.56 | padde | is there no xml template or something, like for kopete? |
| 23:31.04 | Nyle | no |
| 23:31.18 | padde | um... but this shouldn't be too hard to implement, i think |
| 23:31.34 | Nyle | and anytime i try to give my opinion of konv. the developer of konv. gets so defensive and totally disregards my opinion |
| 23:31.40 | Nyle | so im like screw it man |
| 23:31.45 | Nyle | its useless talkin to ya |
| 23:31.51 | padde | i'm using konversation since sho implemented irssi-style tab completion 2 days after i requested it ;) |
| 23:32.15 | Nyle | i guess he can do the easy stuff faster than the more difficult stuff |
| 23:32.23 | padde | oh well... why don't you try it with a piece of code? |
| 23:32.41 | Nyle | as he told me I remember, there were some problems or limitations with qt3 toolkit which prevented a lot of features i wanted |
| 23:32.48 | Nyle | so i am waiting for kde4 |
| 23:33.13 | padde | yes, that also caused big hassle with right-to-left languages and the likes.. now i remember |
| 23:33.20 | Lanken | padde: konvi doesn't currently use html to render text |
| 23:33.24 | Nyle | well |
| 23:33.33 | Nyle | nothing to do but use xfce and patiently wait for kde4 |
| 23:33.39 | Nyle | im sick of looking at kde now |
| 23:33.48 | Lanken | so it would mean replacing the main text display widget with a different one, to implement kopete-style schemes |
| 23:33.51 | Lanken | Nyle: stop trolly. |
| 23:33.52 | padde | lol |
| 23:33.58 | Nyle | Lanken: blow me |
| 23:34.06 | Nyle | I mean.. umm. go away |
| 23:34.39 | Nyle | man i've seen some stuff on kde4 |
| 23:34.44 | Nyle | it looks freaking AWESOME |
| 23:34.56 | padde | then help with it instead of ranting here ;) |
| 23:35.04 | Nyle | padde: ranting? |
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| 23:35.12 | Nyle | a man can't discuss something without others getting all so defensive? |
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| 23:35.33 | padde | i wouldn't call your "style" discussion |
| 23:36.20 | Nyle | well do keep in mind that I am not responsible for your perception. |
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| 23:36.32 | padde | i do |
| 23:36.35 | Nyle | I've been here for a long time and I've used kde for a long time and supported it |
| 23:36.40 | Nyle | and I still do |
| 23:36.47 | Nyle | I love kde and will defend its interests |
| 23:36.52 | Nyle | jealously, if i have to |
| 23:36.55 | Nyle | but atm, im sick of using it |
| 23:36.59 | Nyle | how is that trolling|? |
| 23:37.32 | padde | i just can't understand it |
| 23:37.37 | Lanken | Nyle: well you called out a channel mod, for one thing. |
| 23:37.52 | Nyle | no, i called out a konv. developer |
| 23:37.58 | Nyle | read what i said again |
| 23:38.06 | Nyle | or drop it rather |
| 23:38.35 | Lanken | well if it's the only konv. developer *I* know, and if you managed to contact him, he's a channel operator. just fyi... |
| 23:38.44 | Nyle | i know he is |
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| 23:41.00 | mustmr | my konsole transparents schemas don't work :( |
| 23:41.04 | mustmr | what's wrong? |
| 23:41.23 | Lanken | mustmr: they usually work and now they don't? |
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| 23:44.06 | Kyral | hmm, is there anyway to send a Window Manager signal from inside console? |
| 23:44.30 | Kyral | (Like if I was running a command that took a long time to run, could I have it flash it's Konsole's taskbar entry when it was done? |
| 23:44.50 | Kyral | I know I'd have to send the URGENT hint to KWin or Beryl... |
| 23:45.07 | mustmr | Lanken: they used to work |
| 23:45.07 | Lanken | Kyral: as in $ longcommand && notifycommand |
| 23:45.16 | Lanken | mustmr: did anything happen to kdesktop? |
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| 23:45.23 | Kyral | Lanken: Literally "notifycommand"? |
| 23:45.34 | Lanken | Kyral: no, that was pseudocode. |
| 23:45.39 | mustmr | Lanken: not that i know of.. |
| 23:45.40 | Kyral | yah something like that |
| 23:45.49 | Lanken | Kyral: I'd like to be able to do that too. |
| 23:45.49 | Kyral | There has to be a DCOP call... |
| 23:45.57 | Lanken | yeah, i don't know decop |
| 23:46.00 | Lanken | *dcop |
| 23:46.14 | Lanken | mustmr: try killing it and restarting it (kdesktop &) |
| 23:46.27 | Lanken | mustmr: beyond that, I don't have any suggestions. |
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| 23:53.34 | Nyle | man you know what i hate about xfce or gtk in general |
| 23:53.40 | Alethes | knotify can give you a passive popup at least |
| 23:53.40 | Nyle | lack of coloring |
| 23:53.51 | Nyle | you can't change color schemes like you can in kde |
| 23:54.10 | Nyle | also.. the file open/save dialog boxes are horribly done in gtk/gnome/xfce |
| 23:54.17 | Nyle | kde has good dialgo design |
| 23:54.24 | Nyle | consistency across apps |
| 23:54.40 | TheDebugger | Something i don't like about kde, install new window decorations |
| 23:54.52 | TheDebugger | That's the only thing |
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