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`00:00.09`	`thagirsu`	`AlexElliott: in nvidia settings i can't find something about this feature`
`00:00.09`	`troy`	`thagirsu: okay, try running (from a konsole) "xdpyinfo \| grep Xinerama" -- that will tell you if it's enabled or not :)`
`00:00.29`	`AlexElliott`	`thagirsu, you should have it set on "seperate X session" first`
`00:00.29`	`AlexElliott`	`http://files.pastesite.com/nvidia.png`
`00:00.33`	`troy`	`thagirsu: kubuntu and gentoo may have different X features that auto-enable...`
`00:01.12`	`AlexElliott`	`It doesn't appear when you have twinview on`
`00:01.18`	`troy`	`AlexElliott: ah`
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`00:02.17`	`troy`	`AlexElliott: I have the same card as you :) just only one monitor :)`
`00:02.28`	`thagirsu`	`AlexElliott , this is the mode i want, but with twinview not with seperate`
`00:02.55`	`AlexElliott`	`thagirsu, try it out, you can still drag windows from one to the other`
`00:03.04`	`thagirsu`	`troy: xdpyinfo says nothing`
`00:03.13`	`AlexElliott`	`And maximising goes to the boundaries of one screen, not both`
`00:03.32`	`thagirsu`	`AlexElliott: and what is with opengl ?`
`00:04.16`	`AlexElliott`	`Hmmm, you mean like full screen games/dvd playback?`
`00:04.37`	`troy`	`thagirsu: yeah, you need Xinerama enabled for KDE to respect the screen boundaries... there's no other way`
`00:04.38`	`ejm`	`yeah! kde 4 is coming soon!`
`00:04.49`	`logixoul`	`~kde`
`00:04.51`	`apt`	`The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be, despite the dot article. It will most likely be in 2007 or 2008, but it could be later.`
`00:04.51`	`logixoul`	`~kde4`
`00:04.53`	`apt`	`The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be. It will most likely be in 2007 or 2008, but it could be also 2009 or later.`
`00:04.54`	`troy`	`ejm: well 'soon' is a relative word :)`
`00:04.56`	`Maki`	`when`
`00:04.57`	`AlexElliott`	`troy, get another monitor, dualhead rocks ;D`
`00:05.24`	`thagirsu`	`troy: i've started kde with xinerama (startx -- +xinerama) and nothing happens :(`
`00:05.37`	`troy`	`thagirsu: yes, because it won't run with twinview...`
`00:05.40`	`thagirsu`	`AlexElltiott: fullscreen one one screen :))`
`00:05.46`	`ejm`	`well, I tried to get the new beta, and it conflicted with YaST--I would've had to uninstall a lot of stuff that I use once in a while, but is necessary for SuSE.`
`00:05.54`	`AlexElliott`	`Yeah, it goes fullscreen on one monitor`
`00:06.00`	`troy`	`ejm: that's not a beta`
`00:06.04`	`AlexElliott`	`With seperate x session + xinerama`
`00:06.16`	`troy`	`ejm: that's not even an alpha - it's a tech preview release... things are that stable yet :)`
`00:06.41`	`ejm`	`that's what I was meaning. I get the terms mixed up.`
`00:06.43`	`troy`	`ejm: so month (I'd guess just under a year) away...`
`00:06.45`	`AlexElliott`	`ejm, if you don't want to develop for KDE4 I'd wait before installing`
`00:06.45`	`ejm`	`oh wait nv.`
`00:07.07`	`ejm`	`I tried the second one, and it didn't last long.`
`00:07.12`	`AlexElliott`	`At the moment I'm told it looks pretty much exactly the same as KDE3 (bar a few developed applications) but glitches more ;)`
`00:08.04`	`ejm`	`probably`
`00:08.16`	`troy`	`AlexElliott: well, kdesktop is gone entirely already... right now it's a black screen`
`00:08.20`	`thagirsu`	`hm strange , so i don't undestand why it runs under kunbuntu with twinview`
`00:08.31`	`AlexElliott`	`Haha, even better!`
`00:08.37`	`troy`	`thagirsu: kubuntu may have patched their X`
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`00:08.56`	`thagirsu`	`troy: how can i find it out ?`
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`00:09.16`	`AlexElliott`	`It's the buntu folks, of course they've patched it :/`
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`00:10.01`	`troy`	`thagirsu: you can look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to find the patch files they used to create their pacakges... usually you have to read the code to find out what they did`
`00:10.30`	`AlexElliott`	`thagirsu, what's the problem with xinerama + seperate sessions? Do they not do something?`
`00:11.41`	`thagirsu`	`AlexElliott: i don't now .. i've not tested it yet , but i'll do so right now ..:)`
`00:12.16`	`troy`	`AlexElliott: I think it's that with multiple sessions, the graphics card memory is not continuous across the screens, making moving from one to the other slower...`
`00:12.41`	`troy`	`AlexElliott: that's the only thing I can think of anyway...`
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`00:13.07`	`thagirsu`	`i've read something that xinerama is not good with opengl , thats the reason i don't have tested it`
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`00:13.58`	`troy`	`thagirsu: that would be a good reason not to use it, but I think many of those problems are no going away...`
`00:14.09`	`troy`	`s/no/now`
`00:14.38`	`AlexElliott`	`I can't say I've noticed any slowdown`
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`00:23.26`	`P-Luc_Auclair`	`logixoul "P-Luc_Auclair: konqueror in trunk supports opacity" trunk is KDE4 or 3.5.6? or something else`
`00:23.35`	`logixoul`	`P-Luc_Auclair: KDE 4`
`00:24.09`	`P-Luc_Auclair`	`'k thanks`
`00:24.12`	`logixoul`	`np`
`00:24.53`	`logixoul`	`g'night`
`00:25.26`	`P-Luc_Auclair`	`nite`
`00:25.42`	`thagirsu`	`k sepperate x screen runs, but is there any chance to move windows from one screen to the other ?`
`00:25.58`	`AlexElliott`	`With xinerama enabled you should be able to`
`00:26.24`	`thagirsu`	`i see yes , but then i've the old problem with one big screen .:D`
`00:26.45`	`troy`	`thagirsu: with xinerama, kwin should be able to tell the differences between screens...`
`00:26.46`	`AlexElliott`	`No, when you maximise it maximises into one monitor with xinerama`
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`00:27.25`	`uFo-Z`	`hi all. if i start kopete, i cant see a icon in my taskbar. well, there was one some hours aggo but atm i never get a small icon of any app wich supports that`
`00:27.28`	`AlexElliott`	`Even if you have the window on both monitors when you maximise it, it'll pick one and maximise to that monitor's boundaries`
`00:27.36`	`uFo-Z`	`anybody could tell me wich programm is doing that ?`
`00:27.46`	`thagirsu`	`AlexElltiott: with sepperate and enable Xinerama (in nvidia settings) it maximise over both screens ..`
`00:27.52`	`thagirsu`	`same as twinview`
`00:27.54`	`AlexElliott`	`Not here :/`
`00:28.04`	`thagirsu`	`troy: kwin ?`
`00:28.17`	`AlexElliott`	`Part of KDE`
`00:28.53`	`troy`	`thagirsu: kwin draws the window borders, close, max/min buttons, etc.`
`00:30.27`	`troy`	`Renze: sure you do - remember all that compiz stuff you were struggling with when 3.5.6 was released? :P`
`00:30.43`	`Renze`	`troy: beryl... and it's because of ATi, not gentoo :P`
`00:31.12`	`thagirsu`	`i've recompiled kdebase with xinerama support , so i think kwin also ..?`
`00:31.54`	`troy`	`yeah, kwin is part of kdebase...`
`00:32.50`	`thagirsu`	`btw is there an offizial release date for kde 4 ? :)`
`00:32.55`	`Renze`	`nope`
`00:32.59`	`thagirsu`	`:)(`
`00:33.01`	`thagirsu`	`:(`
`00:33.15`	`thagirsu`	`screenshots looks nice ..`
`00:33.27`	`AlexElliott`	`I have had bad experiences with Gentoo, but it's a nice concept`
`00:33.40`	`madd_matt`	`Is there an estimated kde 4 timeline? 1 month? 3 months? 6 months? Longer?`
`00:33.52`	`Renze`	`when it's ready`
`00:33.56`	Muad`dib	`thagirsu: there is a xinerama flag on kwin too, if you changed it you should recompile too, emerge -Nav world would be the best`
`00:34.07`	Muad`dib	`madd_matt: this year i think`
`00:34.16`	`AlexElliott`	`Probably completed within a decade from now ;)`
`00:34.40`	`troy`	`madd_matt: 6 months would be optimistic,.. we'll probably be in beta by then though...`
`00:34.52`	`troy`	`but there's no release schedule set yet`
`00:35.07`	`thagirsu`	Muad`dib: i've set xinerama in the make.conf and reemerged all with emerege --newuse world
`00:35.21`	`madd_matt`	`troy, thats what I though. I haven't been following development though.`
`00:35.23`	`thagirsu`	`i think this is enough or?`
`00:35.28`	Muad`dib	`thagirsu: that is what the -N arg is for :)`
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`00:36.49`	`thagirsu`	`-N ? sry says nothing to me , i'm new on gentoo ..:D`
`00:37.01`	Muad`dib	`it should be ok but i just came here and i didn't read about your problem`
`00:37.14`	Muad`dib	`--newuse = -N`
`00:37.23`	`thagirsu`	`ah k .. :D`
`00:37.56`	`Renze`	`thagirsu: man emerge ;)`
`00:38.36`	Muad`dib	`Renze: i didn't dare to say that ^^`
`00:38.56`	`Renze`	`rtfm! :D`
`00:39.00`	Muad`dib	`hehe`
`00:39.12`	`Alethes`	`anybody know if konq can/should/will support pipelining?`
`00:39.44`	`thagirsu`	`Renze: i read it, don't care , i've not i've no chance on gentoo .. :))`
`00:40.13`	`troy`	`Alethes: that's something that would be implemented at a lower level than konq methinks...`
`00:40.27`	`Renze`	`gentoo is one of the best documented distros in existence`
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`00:40.54`	`troy`	`and there's a reason for that - it's always broken :P`
`00:41.01`	`Renze`	`troy: quiet you!`
`00:41.04`	`troy`	`apt start a holy war`
`00:41.09`	`apt`	`Balrogs have wings!`
`00:41.29`	`Alethes`	`troy: firefox implements it`
`00:41.31`	`troy`	`hahaha`
`00:41.33`	`AlexElliott`	`Close enough I think`
`00:41.40`	`Alethes`	`but it doesn't use kio, so I guess so`
`00:41.45`	`troy`	`Alethes: yeah, but firefox does all of it's own io :)`
`00:41.47`	`Alethes`	`so maybe with kio_http?`
`00:41.48`	`thagirsu`	`Renze: right , i think gentoo and ubuntu are the best documented distros`
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`00:42.12`	`thagirsu`	`thats the reason why i started working on linux with this both distros ..:)`
`00:42.17`	`troy`	`Alethes: yeah, most likely place for it... probably konq would have to tell kio_http to do pipelining, via a switch or somesuch...`
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`01:15.17`	`kakalto`	`how can I run a windowed application without a border, at a certain place on the screen?`
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`01:16.16`	`Renze`	`kakalto: right click titlebar, advanced -> special window settings`
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`01:20.53`	`kakalto`	`Renze: cool... I clicked there, disabled border, apply... but it hasn't kept those settings`
`01:21.09`	`Renze`	`kakalto: it should have kept them`
`01:21.41`	`kakalto`	`still has border`
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`01:22.48`	`pristsi`	`Hi everybody`
`01:22.48`	`Renze`	`did you set it to "Force"?`
`01:22.51`	`kakalto`	`no, will try that`
`01:22.58`	`pristsi`	`how do I enable kde 3.5 "auto-detect and mount media" tool?`
`01:23.09`	`kakalto`	`still border`
`01:23.18`	`Renze`	`kakalto: works fine here... just tested it`
`01:23.39`	`kakalto`	`Renze: the application is Enemy Territory. And it's not working`
`01:24.22`	`Renze`	`kakalto: the application is irrelevant, as long as it has a window title/window class`
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`01:27.04`	`kakalto`	`Renze: would this get rid of the title bar too?`
`01:27.09`	`Renze`	`kakalto: yes`
`01:29.00`	`kakalto`	`=\`
`01:29.16`	`kakalto`	`is there a command-line method?`
`01:29.17`	`Renze`	`that is part of the border, after all`
`01:29.20`	`Renze`	`no`
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`01:30.20`	`kakalto`	`well I'm guessing it doesn't pick up the window class properly?`
`01:30.29`	`Renze`	`pass... I don't have ET to test`
`01:30.33`	`kakalto`	`so is there another way of picking that up, so I have it exactly?`
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`01:30.53`	`kakalto`	`a seperate program that will tell me info on a program's window class, etc.?`
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`01:31.43`	`Renze`	`xwininfo? not sure if that gives the right info or not...`
`01:32.02`	`Renze`	`nope, it doesn't`
`01:32.19`	`kakalto`	`oh, and does this control affect non-qt applications?`
`01:32.40`	`kakalto`	`probably not?`
`01:32.43`	`Renze`	`it's nothing to do with the application... it's a kwin thing`
`01:32.49`	`kakalto`	`ahk`
`01:32.55`	`Renze`	`the application is completely irrelevant`
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`01:33.27`	`kakalto`	`ah,k`
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`01:35.54`	`kakalto`	`got it now, thanks`
`01:36.21`	`Renze`	`'k`
`01:36.38`	`kakalto`	`didn't realise that the 'detect' function is meant to be aimed at the program, rather than its titlebar`
`01:37.11`	`Renze`	`Advanced -> Special Window Settings fills that stuff in automatically`
`01:37.18`	`kakalto`	`nah, it didn't`
`01:37.22`	`Renze`	`it should have`
`01:37.23`	`kakalto`	`but when I when 'detect' it did that`
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`01:38.13`	`kakalto`	`thanks, Renze =)`
`01:38.17`	`Renze`	`no problem`
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`01:51.42`	`g-henna`	`hi!`
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`01:52.00`	`g-henna`	`can anyone tell me where does konqueror store cookies?`
`01:52.17`	`g-henna`	`(oh, too late for correct sentence structure...)`
`01:52.22`	`Renze`	`konqueror doesn't... the cookie service does`
`01:52.32`	`Renze`	`look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kcookiejar/`
`01:53.03`	`Renze`	`mmmmm... cookies...`
`01:53.47`	`g-henna`	`Renze: ok, have that, but that seem to be only the ones that are stored between sessions; what about the ones that are only valid within one session?`
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`01:54.22`	`Renze`	`g-henna: sorry, no idea about those... in /tmp/kde-<username> perhaps?`
`01:54.36`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, what distro do you use if you dont mind me asking?`
`01:54.41`	`Renze`	`Gentoo`
`01:55.17`	`g-henna`	`Renze: ah, ok, i just see that i can look at this within the konqueror preferences is ashamed -- thx();`
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`01:55.28`	`desi007`	`as soon as I log in kde says laptop lid is closed suspending on relogin it works fine :(`
`01:55.32`	`Renze`	`g-henna: no problem`
`01:55.35`	`desi007`	`any help`
`01:55.47`	`Renze`	`desi007: buy me a laptop and I'll find out ;)`
`01:56.47`	`desi007`	`give me the money and I will find a good deal for u Renze`
`01:57.25`	`desi007`	`lol`
`01:58.22`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, ever use arch?`
`01:58.28`	`Renze`	`TabooTreez: nope`
`01:59.08`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, you should give it a try =D`
`01:59.18`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, if you like gentoo`
`01:59.20`	`Renze`	`TabooTreez: I'm more than happy with gentoo, thanks :P`
`01:59.36`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, check this`
`01:59.42`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, http://www.kdemod.ath.cx/`
`01:59.47`	`desi007`	`if I delete .kde directory in home folder will I be able to relogin?`
`01:59.54`	`Renze`	`TabooTreez: I prefer vanilla KDE`
`02:00.12`	`Renze`	`desi007: deleting .kde is kinda dumb... you lose more than just your settings`
`02:00.43`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, kdemod isnt all eye candy. Speed also.`
`02:00.57`	`Renze`	`TabooTreez: I still prefer vanilla KDE`
`02:01.02`	`desi007`	`I had this issue with lid suspend before and I resolved it by deleting something in .kde I am forgetting what :(`
`02:01.39`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, atleast it kde =)`
`02:01.41`	`TabooTreez`	`its*`
`02:01.53`	`Renze`	`TabooTreez: I do tech support here to contribute to the project. Having vanilla KDE is kinda important for that.`
`02:03.48`	`TabooTreez`	`Renze, very understandable. We thank you for it.`
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`02:09.43`	`pierreth`	`KDE is really cool`
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`02:19.20`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`so...is it possible to get ktorrent to use non-local kio for the torrent download location`
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`02:26.24`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`hmm...super-frustrating`
`02:26.32`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`I don't really want to resort to fuse-sshfs`
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`02:46.40`	`Vague_Rant`	`Hey, KDEfolks.`
`02:47.43`	`Vague_Rant`	`How do I disable the functionality that occurs when I hover over anything in the taskbar?`
`02:48.03`	`Vague_Rant`	`As in, the fade-in with the larger icon and details about which desktop it's running on and such.`
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`02:57.26`	`alien64`	`i need to take a screenshot of kdm how can i do this?`
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`02:57.51`	`Renze`	`alien64: maybe by using the xdump command from a virtual console?`
`02:58.21`	`alien64`	`i have kde 3.5 and running gentoo based system`
`02:58.29`	`Renze`	`hmmm... not xdump... can't remember the name of the thing now`
`02:58.46`	`Renze`	`ah, xwd`
`02:58.50`	`mark_alec`	`alien64: more importantly, why do you need to show your kdm?`
`02:59.07`	`alien64`	`whats a virtual konsole exactly?`
`02:59.24`	`Renze`	`alien64: what you go to when you press ctrl-alt-f1`
`02:59.30`	`mark_alec`	`ctrl+alt+f[n]`
`02:59.55`	`Renze`	`ctrl-alt-f7 will bring you back to X`
`03:00.02`	`Renze`	`(in most distros)`
`03:00.19`	`alien64`	`yeah ive tried this and says cant connect to display 0`
`03:00.33`	`Renze`	`DISPLAY=":0" xwd blah`
`03:01.20`	`alien64`	`import gives the same error`
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`03:02.40`	`alien64`	`import -display :0 -window root shot.png << gets refused`
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`03:02.51`	`shastry`	`alien64: you run it as ?`
`03:03.20`	`alien64`	`root or user doesnt matter`
`03:03.20`	`shastry`	`a different user than the logged in ?`
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`03:03.34`	`shastry`	`type xhost +localhost in your X`
`03:03.41`	`Renze`	`if it is kdm, nobody is logged in`
`03:03.42`	`shastry`	`then you can let other users connect to X`
`03:04.00`	`shastry`	`or start X with -ac ?`
`03:05.03`	`shastry`	`alien64: somewhere in kdm conf.. try to add -ac to X params`
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`03:05.28`	`alien64`	`localhost being added to access control list`
`03:05.35`	`alien64`	`that worked`
`03:05.56`	`alien64`	`so now the command shouuld work?`
`03:06.03`	`shastry`	`alien64: yes i think so`
`03:06.06`	`shastry`	`give it a shot`
`03:06.18`	`alien64`	`cools thanks ill try now`
`03:06.29`	`shastry`	`o_o`
`03:06.36`	`shastry`	`oh?`
`03:06.42`	`shastry`	`hes gonna restart X`
`03:06.50`	`shastry`	`it wont work obviously`
`03:07.02`	`Renze`	`shastry: he wants to screenshot kdm`
`03:07.20`	`shastry`	`Renze: then he should add -ac to X args, then try import on a vc . right?`
`03:07.35`	`Renze`	`dunno... I've never needed to screenshot kdm :D`
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`03:11.45`	`shastry`	`ok Renze if you happen to be here if he comes back, can you tell him to google for kdm Xnest please?`
`03:11.46`	`thagirsu`	`thanks, gn8`
`03:11.49`	`shastry`	`that might solve his issue`
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`03:12.00`	`Renze`	`shastry: If I'm here, yes ;)`
`03:12.07`	`shastry`	`great :)`
`03:12.09`	`shastry`	`i'm off`
`03:12.10`	`shastry`	`cya!`
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`03:17.28`	`alien64`	`nope didnt work exact error here >>> http://trbonet.serveblog.net/pastebin/?page=view&id=1172372898`
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`03:19.02`	`Renze`	`alien64: google for kdm xnest`
`03:19.08`	`alien64`	`k`
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`03:23.29`	`blankfaze`	`i am trying to apply an icon theme but when i do none of my icons change... does that mean the theme file is not made properly or do i need to reboot or something?`
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`03:24.33`	`Jucato`	`blankfaze: how are you applying it? and yes it might be that the icon theme is not made properly (or not made for KDE?)`
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`03:25.22`	`Jucato`	`Renze: ugh!! I want some!!!`
`03:25.23`	`niles`	`hi`
`03:25.50`	`niles`	`i set the pager to one row, but the individual work spaces are not in order`
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`03:26.51`	`blankfaze`	`jucato: through the icons module in kcontrol`
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`03:27.13`	`Jucato`	`blankfaze: after adding the icon theme, did you select it from the list and clicked on Apply?`
`03:27.22`	`blankfaze`	`jucato: yeah man`
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`03:27.41`	`Jucato`	`hm.. must be the icon theme then`
`03:27.45`	`Jucato`	`absolutely nothing changes?`
`03:27.51`	`blankfaze`	`jucato: actually, some of my icons changed, i.e. my kmenu icons`
`03:28.01`	`blankfaze`	`but not my folder, mimetypes, devices, etc`
`03:28.10`	`Jucato`	`hm... strange icon theme`
`03:28.52`	`blankfaze`	`you wouldn't happen to know the manual path would you? where the themes are saved?`
`03:28.57`	`Renze`	`incomplete icon theme?`
`03:29.14`	`Renze`	`blankfaze: ~/.kde/share/icons/`
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`03:32.02`	`blankfaze`	`okay, theme theme i am trying to use only has 1 subfolder, for 128x128... some of the other themes i have have other sizes like 48x48/32x32 etc... could that be the issue?`
`03:32.48`	`Jucato`	`er.. yeah, it seems like an incomplete theme... is it really an icon theme or just a set of icons?`
`03:32.56`	`Renze`	`it's more about the icons it actually provides`
`03:33.22`	`blankfaze`	`it's a theme, i mean it came tarballed and it's got a buildset and index.deesktop file in it and all`
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`03:33.44`	`Renze`	`blankfaze: that tells us nothing... themes can have 1 icon in them`
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`03:33.50`	`blankfaze`	`oh`
`03:34.01`	`blankfaze`	`well how do i know how to answer your question`
`03:34.03`	`Renze`	`just because it is a theme doesn't mean it is complete`
`03:34.05`	`Jucato`	`hence, and incomplete theme...`
`03:34.09`	`Jucato`	`s/and/an/`
`03:34.20`	`Renze`	`themes inherit from the default theme`
`03:34.37`	`Jucato`	`which would be crystal svg in KDE 3.x case`
`03:37.03`	`blankfaze`	`they should have icons individually configurable through the gui... i.e. i should be able to select what icon i want for hard drives, for each mimetype etc`
`03:37.31`	`Renze`	`that would be messy`
`03:37.46`	`Jucato`	`that would be like hell`
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`03:38.13`	`Jucato`	`blankfaze: although you can do most of that through the File Associations or some of the related dialog boxes`
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`03:38.28`	`Alethes`	`is there a way to specify the application konq uses to open "View Document Source"?`
`03:38.42`	`Alethes`	`it's currently trying to open kwrite with an invalid option of --tempfile`
`03:38.48`	`blankfaze`	`not that messy, they could put it under an "Advanced" tab or something`
`03:38.48`	`Alethes`	`which means I can't view source`
`03:39.19`	`blankfaze`	`it's much easier to change icons in gnome... which is bizarre`
`03:39.46`	`Jucato`	`blankfaze: right-click on an icon/time -> Properties -> click on the icon picture?`
`03:39.59`	`Renze`	`Alethes: here, konq opens source in kate, not kwrite`
`03:40.12`	`blankfaze`	`jucato: that works for some things for me`
`03:40.19`	`Alethes`	`ok`
`03:40.24`	`Alethes`	`I think I know how to fix this then`
`03:40.28`	`blankfaze`	`jucato: for instance that won't for on a usb external hd for me`
`03:41.00`	`Alethes`	`that did it, thanks Renze`
`03:41.07`	`Renze`	`no problem`
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`03:50.25`	`alien64`	`thanks for the xnest info that works great`
`03:50.52`	`qupada`	`Renze: join the club`
`03:51.02`	`qupada`	`this sudden jump in humidity isn't helping either`
`03:51.10`	`Renze`	`tell me about it :/`
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`03:53.02`	`Jucato`	`you have winter there?`
`03:53.22`	`qupada`	`fortunately`
`03:53.44`	`Renze`	`Jucato: we have all four seasons... sometimes all in the same day`
`03:53.56`	`Jucato`	`ouch`
`03:54.19`	`Renze`	`that's because you're tropical... we're temperate`
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`03:54.49`	`Jucato`	`but Renze isn't temperate :D`
`03:55.07`	`Renze`	`gee, thanks :P`
`03:55.31`	`Jucato`	`:)`
`03:55.51`	`qupada`	`Jucato: as one of my friends once put it, we're passive-aggressive. i'm passive, he's aggressive`
`03:56.02`	`Jucato`	`hahah`
`03:56.42`	`Jucato`	`I'm passive-aggressive... all of me... both of me...`
`03:56.43`	`Jucato`	`me me me!`
`03:56.49`	`pierreth`	`how can I install window decorations?`
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`03:57.25`	`qupada`	`Jucato: i used to be schitzophrenic, but we're ok now`
`03:57.36`	`Renze`	`pierreth: native? dekorator theme? icewm theme? emerald theme?`
`03:57.47`	`Jucato`	`pierreth: is it a native window decoration? if it is, you need to install it like a regular program`
`03:57.54`	`Jucato`	`(binary package or compile from source)`
`03:58.03`	`pierreth`	`Renze: I don't know, things from Kde-Look`
`03:58.20`	`Renze`	`pierreth: that doesn't answer the question... all of the above are on kde-look.org`
`03:58.47`	`pierreth`	`How can I know?`
`03:59.01`	`Renze`	`kde-look tells you`
`03:59.08`	`Jucato`	`pierreth: the page in kde-look will tell you`
`03:59.10`	`Renze`	`which section did you download it from?`
`03:59.14`	`pierreth`	`I have lots of .png images in directory`
`03:59.38`	`qupada`	`pierreth: under 'type' it will say 'dekorator theme', 'native theme kde3.2+', 'emerald theme', etc`
`03:59.41`	`Jucato`	`pierreth: that page where you got that windeco will tell you what type it is`
`04:00.16`	`Jucato`	`pierreth: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/win-deco.html`
`04:00.17`	`pierreth`	`OK, I will return to the web site and start it all over`
`04:00.20`	`Renze`	`if it is just a bunch of png images, it ain't native`
`04:00.28`	`pierreth`	`I don't what I have now`
`04:00.44`	`pierreth`	`I don't know I mean`
`04:00.58`	`pierreth`	`so, if it is native, what should I do?`
`04:01.06`	`Renze`	`if it is native, you compile it`
`04:01.42`	`pierreth`	`configure, make & make install?`
`04:01.48`	`Renze`	`pretty much`
`04:01.49`	`wolsni`	`pierreth: pretty much`
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`04:01.53`	`Renze`	`snap!`
`04:01.57`	`wolsni`	`heh`
`04:02.02`	`pierreth`	`OK, thank you`
`04:02.02`	`Renze`	`wolsni: get out of my mind!`
`04:02.29`	`Jucato`	`pierreth: unless there's a package available for your distro`
`04:02.30`	`Renze`	`wolsni: don't I know it ;)`
`04:02.41`	`Alethes`	`hey Renze, I've notice that kio_http processes don't die automatically even when the connection should be closed. They're going away after 5 mins. Is there a way to change this behavior?`
`04:02.56`	`Alethes`	`I saw some timeout options in connection prefs, but my changes didn't make any difference`
`04:02.59`	`Renze`	`Alethes: nope... they stay there in case you want to use them again`
`04:03.11`	`Renze`	`Alethes: it is normal behaviour`
`04:03.25`	`Alethes`	`thanks`
`04:03.27`	`Renze`	`Alethes: it is faster than renegotiating the connection each time`
`04:03.42`	`Alethes`	`not for me :)`
`04:03.50`	`Alethes`	`I'm on a wireless highspeed connection`
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`04:03.59`	`Alethes`	`it kills my connection due to radio time limitations`
`04:04.13`	`Renze`	`sucks to be you ;)`
`04:04.32`	`Alethes`	`yeah, so I'm just gonna write a bash script to check for those and kill'em after 30 secs or something`
`04:05.00`	`qupada`	`heh, good luck with that`
`04:05.10`	`Alethes`	`I'm almost done`
`04:05.31`	`qupada`	`i currently have 5 still loaded... kio_pop3, kio_imap4, two kio_file's and kio_thumbnail`
`04:05.50`	`Alethes`	`kio_http is the only real problem`
`04:06.34`	`TomSwift`	`hello`
`04:06.59`	`qupada`	`i don't use konqueror as my day-to-day browser, so i don't imagine kio_http gets out much`
`04:07.52`	`Alethes`	`well, I wasn't, but I prefer to, and now it's an issue`
`04:08.03`	`Alethes`	`and it wouldn't be if it wasn't for my connection type`
`04:08.06`	`eisen_`	`is it just me, or is selecting files in konqueror a bit flaky at times? I just draw a box around some files in a folder for deletion but it actually deleted them all :\`
`04:08.23`	`Renze`	`eisen_: never had a problem with that`
`04:08.47`	`eisen_`	`to be more precise, not all but all those coming before the start of the box I imagined I had drawn.`
`04:09.06`	`eisen_`	`this is the second time it occured`
`04:09.16`	`Renze`	`eisen_: it should only delete the highlighted files`
`04:09.47`	`eisen_`	`yeah, I believe it still does so. But somehow the wrong files got highlighted`
`04:10.05`	`eisen_`	`I'm too quick about it I guess`
`04:10.26`	`eisen_`	`I'll reenable the confirmation box in the future as annoying as it is.`
`04:10.49`	`Renze`	`eisen_: or start using the trash, so you can recover from mistakes ;)`
`04:11.15`	`eisen_`	`hm, if I press delete I _want_ to delete usually`
`04:11.38`	`wolsni`	`eisen_: 'usually'`
`04:11.46`	`Renze`	`usually... it's those times when you _don't_ want to that trash is useful`
`04:12.30`	`eisen_`	`well, I hate those confirmations. It's not that I hit that button by accident.`
`04:12.58`	`Renze`	`I don't have any confirmations... I just use trash, and empty it later`
`04:13.06`	`eisen_`	`and if so, it's my mistakes. I don't need the program to do mistakes for me.`
`04:13.10`	`eisen_`	`just tried with a folder with lots of files - the highlighting is indeed flaky`
`04:13.29`	`Renze`	`eisen_: I've never had any issues with highlighting`
`04:13.50`	`wolsni`	`eisen_: if it's reproducible you should make a bug report`
`04:13.50`	`eisen_`	`it jumps around and highlights files before the box sometimes`
`04:14.04`	`Renze`	`eisen_: not here`
`04:14.14`	`eisen_`	`yeah, this is odd`
`04:14.26`	`eisen_`	`I never witnessed it all those years before`
`04:14.36`	`Renze`	`eisen_: do you use one of those distros that patch the rubberband select to make it prettier?`
`04:15.00`	`eisen_`	`I use debian. But that rubberband does not look exactly pretty ;-)`
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`04:16.03`	`eisen_`	`now, if that greying out is the pretty effect your are spot on though`
`04:17.10`	`eisen_`	`I remember it used to be just a rectangle at some point - I may be wrong though.`
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`04:19.48`	`Renze`	`troy: which one is that?`
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`04:22.14`	`troy`	`Renze: in krunner (KDE4), hitting alt-f2 stops working after a while - the debug output tells me the shortcut still works, but when show() is called, nothing gets drawn...`
`04:22.39`	`Renze`	`troy: ah, a kde4 bug... can't help you there ;)`
`04:24.00`	`troy`	`it's pretty frustrating though :)`
`04:24.13`	`Renze`	`I'm sure you'll solve it before release ;)`
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`05:25.10`	`Alethes`	`Renze: ps -Aeo "%p %a %x %t" \| grep kio_http \| grep -v grep \| awk '{ split($7,t,":"); if ( t[1] >= 1) { print $1}}' \| xargs kill -9 &>/dev/null`
`05:25.11`	`Alethes`	`:D`
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`05:25.27`	`Renze`	`um, no`
`05:25.37`	`Alethes`	`kills kio_http if the process exists longer than 1 min`
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`05:25.50`	`Renze`	`I don't need it... I have cable :P`
`05:25.53`	`Alethes`	`:P`
`05:25.58`	`Alethes`	`anyway, it works`
`05:26.05`	`Alethes`	`so I'll not have to go back to gnome :D`
`05:26.07`	`Alethes`	`heh heh`
`05:27.17`	`Renze`	`does a normal kill not work? you have to use -9?`
`05:27.54`	`Alethes`	`I don't know if I've ever used kill without -9 heh`
`05:27.55`	`Alethes`	`:D`
`05:28.14`	`Renze`	`-9 is "die you bastard"... normal is "finish what you're doing and exit, please"`
`05:28.31`	`Alethes`	`yeah, I know`
`05:28.39`	`Alethes`	`I don't know if I want to wait for kio_http to finish`
`05:28.51`	`Alethes`	`I'll try without the -9`
`05:28.58`	`Renze`	`try it with a normal kill anyway... you'll have fewer problems in the long run`
`05:29.36`	`Renze`	`that way you won't end up with corrupted cache items and stuff`
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`05:38.28`	`Alethes`	`yeehaw it works`
`05:38.28`	`Alethes`	`:D`
`05:38.44`	`Renze`	`stop molesting that donkey!`
`05:39.01`	`Jucato`	`O.o`
`05:39.39`	`Alethes`	`b-b-b-but I LIKE it`
`05:39.58`	`Alethes`	`I have to create a .desktop file for Autostart if I want to run this script from there, right?`
`05:40.18`	`Jucato`	`aaah`
`05:40.22`	`Jucato`	`that kind :)`
`05:40.27`	`Renze`	`Alethes: no, just a script will do`
`05:40.31`	`Alethes`	`ok, cool`
`05:40.46`	`Renze`	`Alethes: autostart can use scripts, symlinks, or .desktop files`
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`05:41.16`	`Alethes`	`nod`
`05:41.22`	`Alethes`	`I couldn't remember :)`
`05:42.14`	`Jucato`	`ooh tentacles...`
`05:43.24`	`Alethes`	`brb, gonna make sure this script actually starts`
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`05:45.26`	`Renze`	`mmmmm... tasty sandwiches`
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`05:45.57`	`Alethes`	`I love it when stuff works`
`05:50.26`	`Alethes`	`:P`
`05:50.48`	`Alethes`	`have you seen Dolphin yet? the new file manager?`
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`05:50.53`	`Renze`	`yes`
`05:51.08`	`Alethes`	`I dig it, but it's obivously new`
`05:51.15`	`Alethes`	`I imagine it'll be nicer as time goes on`
`05:51.48`	`Renze`	`all development is going on in the KDE4 port, so there will unlikely be any improvements in the KDE3 version`
`05:52.01`	`Alethes`	`yeah, I figured`
`05:52.08`	`Alethes`	`but still, I think it'll be nicer later`
`05:52.20`	`Alethes`	`like with a backgound image for the sidebar, for example`
`05:53.15`	`Renze`	`and the top entries in the breadcrumb dropdown actually working`
`05:53.24`	`Jucato`	`Renze: development on Dolphin itself is simultaneous. but KDE is adding KDE4-specific stuff. so development, while simultaneous, might not be parallel`
`05:53.39`	`Jucato`	`Renze: what do you mean by "actually working"?`
`05:53.49`	`Renze`	`Jucato: the top entries don't work`
`05:53.55`	`Jucato`	`??`
`05:53.57`	`Renze`	`the rest do, just not the very top one`
`05:53.58`	`Jucato`	`what version?`
`05:54.06`	`Jucato`	`top one?`
`05:54.09`	`Renze`	`0.8.1`
`05:54.24`	`Renze`	`you know, when you right click on a breadcrumb item and get the menu?`
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`05:54.47`	`Alethes`	`I don't right-click`
`05:54.49`	`Alethes`	`I just left-click`
`05:54.49`	`Jucato`	`I don't right-click on it to bring down the sub-folders`
`05:54.49`	`Renze`	`er, doubleclick, not right click`
`05:55.05`	`Jucato`	`not even double click...`
`05:55.13`	`Jucato`	`anyway, it works here. 0.8.2`
`05:55.14`	`Renze`	`anyway, the top item does nothing, while the rest work`
`05:55.25`	`Renze`	`ah, so it is fixed already`
`05:55.27`	`Alethes`	`you mean the little folder icon?`
`05:55.34`	`Renze`	`no, the breadcrumb items`
`05:55.47`	`Alethes`	`ah, mine works, but I guess it's 'cause I'm using a fixed version :)`
`05:56.02`	`Renze`	`it's broken in 0.8.1`
`05:56.04`	`Alethes`	`I love having the file manager separated from teh browser`
`05:56.15`	`Alethes`	`that's what I'm using and it works`
`05:56.25`	`Jucato`	`I didn't notice it before... anyway, can't reproduce on 0.8.2 so it's probably fixed`
`05:57.00`	`Jucato`	`ah it seems I might have run into a possible "bug"/issue`
`06:00.53`	`Alethes`	`Renze: think it'd be worthwhile to have a kio timeout option?`
`06:01.06`	`Alethes`	`I mean, it seem there is, but not for kio_http`
`06:01.09`	`Renze`	`Alethes: suggest it on bugs.kde.org, and give reasons`
`06:01.26`	`Alethes`	`you know in the connection preferences?`
`06:01.35`	`Renze`	`yes, I know`
`06:01.36`	`Jucato`	`http://bugs.kde.org`
`06:01.48`	`Alethes`	`there are timeout values there, but none affect this, so I don't know how to explain the issue really`
`06:02.03`	`Renze`	`do the best you can`
`06:02.12`	`Renze`	`when in doubt, use lots of words ;)`
`06:02.12`	`Alethes`	`is kio_http actually keeping the connection alive?`
`06:02.26`	`Renze`	`not sure... never bothered to find out`
`06:02.35`	`Jucato`	`er... use words that make sense... :)`
`06:03.05`	`Renze`	`soda water rhubarb?`
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`06:04.33`	`mobtek`	`chocolate undies telescope :)`
`06:04.52`	`mobtek`	`Renze: I take out the aussie mirrors cause they suck :)`
`06:05.02`	`Renze`	`actually, in some situations, chocolate undies make perfect sense ;)`
`06:05.09`	`mobtek`	`hahah true`
`06:05.38`	`Alethes`	`haha`
`06:05.47`	`Alethes`	`and even a telescope perhaps`
`06:05.48`	`Alethes`	`:o`
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`06:06.20`	`Renze`	`dolphin 0.8.2, and the top item still doesn't work :(`
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`06:07.20`	`Jucato`	`??`
`06:08.03`	`Renze`	`I click and hold on Home, the menu appears, I select Desktop (the first item)... nothing happens`
`06:08.09`	`Renze`	`all the other entries work as expected`
`06:08.53`	`Renze`	`no matter where I am, the first item does nothing`
`06:10.34`	`Jucato`	`aaaah`
`06:10.40`	`Jucato`	`now you're being clear`
`06:10.48`	`Renze`	`I was clear before :P`
`06:10.58`	`Jucato`	`not really`
`06:11.03`	`Renze`	`you just chose to misunderstand me`
`06:11.09`	`Jucato`	`you presume too much`
`06:11.17`	`Renze`	`do you not know what a breadcrumb item is?`
`06:11.24`	`Alethes`	`it works for me in 0.8.1`
`06:11.33`	`Alethes`	`I blame gentoo`
`06:11.35`	`Alethes`	`:D`
`06:11.49`	`Jucato`	`I know what it is.`
`06:11.57`	`Jucato`	`Alethes: I'm experiencing his bug as well`
`06:12.18`	`Alethes`	`are you in australia, Jucato?`
`06:12.24`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
`06:12.24`	`Jucato`	`no`
`06:12.26`	`Alethes`	`dang`
`06:12.29`	`Renze`	`neither am I`
`06:12.34`	`Alethes`	`well, it works fine in kubuntu`
`06:12.36`	`Alethes`	`ok, NZ`
`06:12.58`	`Jucato`	`Alethes: click and hold on one of the items on the breadcrumb toolbar, for example, Home`
`06:13.07`	`Jucato`	`Alethes: you get a list of the subdirectories in Home right?`
`06:13.18`	`Alethes`	`yep`
`06:13.22`	`Jucato`	`Alethes: click the first entry in that list (usually, it's Desktop)`
`06:13.40`	`Alethes`	`ah`
`06:13.41`	`Alethes`	`yeah`
`06:13.42`	`Alethes`	`:P`
`06:13.45`	`Alethes`	`just the first item`
`06:13.53`	`Jucato`	`are you in australia, Alethes?`
`06:13.56`	`Jucato`	`[/sarcasm]`
`06:13.57`	`Alethes`	`no :P`
`06:13.58`	`Renze`	`yes, like I said multiple times, just the first item`
`06:14.14`	`Alethes`	`I thought you meant the first item as in "Home"`
`06:14.22`	`Jucato`	`me too`
`06:14.24`	`Alethes`	`first horizontal item`
`06:14.27`	`Jucato`	`you actually used "top"`
`06:14.34`	`Jucato`	`so I'm thinking "top level"`
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`06:14.54`	`Renze`	`you people are crazy`
`06:15.09`	`Renze`	`Home is the LEFT item`
`06:15.09`	`Alethes`	`haha`
`06:15.10`	`Renze`	`:D`
`06:15.32`	`Alethes`	`ctrl-m doesn't work on dolphin yet either`
`06:15.38`	`Alethes`	`to hide/show the menu`
`06:15.53`	`Jucato`	`because it doesn't have that feature?`
`06:15.57`	`Alethes`	`not yet, anyway`
`06:16.10`	`Alethes`	`but I assume it will because that's pretty standard for kde apps`
`06:16.11`	`Jucato`	`hm... completely non-KDE compliant...`
`06:17.03`	`Alethes`	`well, it has About KDE at least :)`
`06:17.29`	`impulze`	`someone able to play icecast streams here?`
`06:17.37`	`impulze`	`would like to know if my stream works :S`
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`06:26.50`	`Alethes`	`Renze: I just realized my script is going to suck`
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`06:26.59`	`Alethes`	`if a download I do from konq takes longer than a min`
`06:27.03`	`Renze`	`Alethes: took you long enough :)`
`06:27.05`	`Alethes`	`:o`
`06:27.23`	`Alethes`	`I really don't want to have to use firefox :/`
`06:27.49`	`iDen`	`opera rull :)`
`06:28.00`	`Alethes`	`shudder`
`06:28.14`	`blankfaze`	`shudder?`
`06:28.18`	`Renze`	`iDen: http://smileaf.org/blog/1172297352/ :)`
`06:28.20`	`blankfaze`	`firefox is the best thing ever`
`06:28.21`	`Alethes`	`opera is the pits`
`06:28.32`	`iDen`	`=(`
`06:28.34`	`Renze`	`firefox is garbage`
`06:28.50`	`blankfaze`	`oh my god, what is wrong with you kde fanboyz`
`06:29.14`	`Jucato`	`"Opinions are like assholes... everybody has one" - Anon (c/o Renze)`
`06:29.31`	`mobtek`	`yeah pity it doesn't do fish`
`06:29.45`	`Renze`	`mmmmm... fish...`
`06:29.46`	`blankfaze`	`firefox is great... konq is a great file browser but its ui is too much like MSIE and through extensions firefox does so much more than konq`
`06:30.11`	`Renze`	`the only useful extension I ever found was adblock... that's built in to konq`
`06:30.50`	`Renze`	`blankfaze: please go praise firefox in #firefox... we're not interested`
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`06:31.01`	`mobtek`	`blankfaze: you can change the konqi ui a lot`
`06:31.09`	`blankfaze`	`there's too many ffx extensions i couldn't do without... faviconisetab for one`
`06:31.13`	`blankfaze`	`i'm just saying`
`06:31.21`	`blankfaze`	`i don't get the firefox dissing lol :-`
`06:31.46`	`Renze`	`blankfaze: it's slow, it eats RAM like it is going out of fashion, it is not standards compliant... need I go on?`
`06:31.51`	`mobtek`	`i use safari konqi and firefox, I like them all :)`
`06:31.57`	`blankfaze`	`i heard they are putting a new file manager in kde4... which i don't get, i lovvvve konq as a file browser`
`06:32.08`	`Jucato`	`blankfaze: you can still use konqi`
`06:32.14`	`blankfaze`	`yeah, i know`
`06:32.25`	`blankfaze`	`but i don't get why they're fixing something that's not broke`
`06:32.59`	`Jucato`	`if people only fixed broken stuff, we'd still be in the stoneage`
`06:32.59`	`blankfaze`	`from what i've seen of the kde4 file manager it looks like nautilus from gnome :-)`
`06:33.32`	`Renze`	`blankfaze: without the crashing`
`06:33.40`	`blankfaze`	`lol`
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`06:33.50`	`Jucato`	`blankfaze: don't look at it. use it`
`06:33.58`	`blankfaze`	`nautilus is i think my least favourite file manager ever`
`06:34.00`	`Jucato`	`dolphin is nautilus on steroids`
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`06:34.09`	`blankfaze`	`it was pretty much the reason i switched to kde`
`06:42.06`	`Alethes`	`Renze: got a workaround now`
`06:42.13`	`Alethes`	`using kget for my downloads from konq`
`06:42.20`	`Alethes`	`then I can grep those out`
`06:42.38`	`Renze`	`um, ok`
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`06:54.48`	`Alethes`	`sigh`
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`06:56.32`	`Alethes`	`heh`
`06:56.43`	`Alethes`	`[01:55:58] * Renze sighs the long rattling sigh of a gnome user`
`06:56.56`	`Renze`	`isn't that what I said?`
`06:57.04`	`Alethes`	`haha`
`06:57.08`	`Renze`	`even though I don't use gnome`
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`06:59.26`	`pierreth`	`My Menu key is not working`
`06:59.57`	`pierreth`	`This is curious because it was working on FreeBSD`
`07:00.30`	`pierreth`	`I set the key using xmopmap`
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`07:00.53`	`pierreth`	`It is Ctrl-Right`
`07:01.18`	`pierreth`	`Is it because this is not working with keys like Shift or Control?`
`07:03.29`	`pierreth`	`It works with the F12 key`
`07:03.50`	`pierreth`	`By cannot change it to use the control key`
`07:04.10`	`pierreth`	`I have this problem with Linux but not with FreeBSD`
`07:04.51`	`Renze`	`why don't you just bind it to "Menu"?`
`07:04.57`	`Renze`	`that's what mine is`
`07:05.08`	`pierreth`	`I don't have this key on my keyboard`
`07:05.52`	`Renze`	`when how can you complain that a key that doesn't exist on your keyboard isn't working?`
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`07:06.27`	`pierreth`	`because I use xmopmap to add it virtualy`
`07:06.47`	`Renze`	`why? you can just change the shortcuts in kcontrol`
`07:06.50`	`pierreth`	`it is just a symbol`
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`07:07.18`	`vdv`	`hi all`
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`07:07.24`	`pierreth`	`yes, but I cannot use Control-Right alone as a shortcut`
`07:07.42`	`vdv`	`i'm filling in tags in amarok, but when i look for them in other players, they can't show me them`
`07:07.50`	`vdv`	`what's happen? which tags amarok is filling in? v2 or v3 ? or non of them?`
`07:08.00`	`Renze`	`vdv: v3 I think`
`07:08.17`	`pierreth`	`I will remove Control-R from all the modifiers, may be this is the problem`
`07:08.34`	`vdv`	`but even winamp shows that v3 is empty`
`07:09.59`	`Renze`	`I don't have windows, so I don't know what windows players display, but every player I use in Windows reads the tags fine`
`07:10.11`	`Renze`	`er, that last Windows should be Linux`
`07:10.17`	`Renze`	`my brain isn't working right in this heat`
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`07:15.09`	`pierreth`	`Renze: It is working now, I must remove the modifiers`
`07:15.20`	`Renze`	`ok`
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`07:17.20`	`chewed-on`	`Heya fellas.`
`07:17.36`	`chewed-on`	`Anyone here use KDevelop C/C++ IDE ?`
`07:17.57`	`chewed-on`	`I can't seem to run my program using KDevelop C/C++ IDE. I can't find the "run" button.`
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`07:26.45`	`vdv`	`chewed-on, use QDevelop instead`
`07:27.03`	`chewed-on`	`QDevelop you reckon ?`
`07:27.13`	`chewed-on`	`Isn't that for designing Linux desktop environments ?`
`07:27.33`	`vdv`	`it's for Qt/C++ development`
`07:27.43`	`chewed-on`	`I'm running C programs.`
`07:28.09`	`vdv`	`for pure C/C++ progs i'm using just vim`
`07:29.36`	`vdv`	`if you want really good ide go to #eclipse`
`07:30.30`	`chewed-on`	`vdv: well, gedit and a console is enough for me.`
`07:30.41`	`chewed-on`	`vdv: but I need to make my USB exec-able.`
`07:30.51`	`chewed-on`	`Currently, it's mounted as 'noexec' by default.`
`07:31.04`	`chewed-on`	`So I can't run C programs off my USB.`
`07:33.12`	`chewed-on`	`vdv: do you know how to mount USB with exec enabled ?`
`07:33.28`	`vdv`	`nop`
`07:33.51`	`qupada`	`mount -o exec`
`07:34.16`	`chewed-on`	`qupada: so . . .`
`07:34.22`	`chewed-on`	`to mount USB devices I would type. . .`
`07:34.37`	`chewed-on`	`mount /dev/sda /media/USB -o exec ?`
`07:35.03`	`qupada`	`you can't mount /dev/sda, but otherwise yes`
`07:35.09`	`qupada`	`try /dev/sda1`
`07:35.13`	`chewed-on`	`?`
`07:35.26`	`chewed-on`	`The properties show that my USB is mounted as /dev/sda`
`07:35.30`	`madd_matt`	`chewed-on, mount /dev/sda1`
`07:35.38`	`madd_matt`	`Most likely anyways.`
`07:35.59`	`chewed-on`	`This is one of the lines that came up when I type mount: /dev/sda on /media/USB DISK type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,shortname=winnt,uid=500)`
`07:36.04`	`qupada`	`well if it is you've got a really screwy system. normal devices need partitions on them before you can have filesystems`
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`07:37.38`	`chewed-on`	`Uh . ..`
`07:37.42`	`chewed-on`	`[root@localhost ~]# mount /dev/sda1 /media/USB -o exec`
`07:37.42`	`chewed-on`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`07:38.20`	`chewed-on`	`What does that mean ?`
`07:38.33`	`chewed-on`	`qupada: any ideas ?`
`07:39.04`	`qupada`	`-t vfat`
`07:39.12`	`chewed-on`	`so . . .`
`07:39.27`	`chewed-on`	`mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/USB -o exec ?`
`07:40.07`	`chewed-on`	`actually`
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`07:40.18`	`chewed-on`	`mount /dev/sda /media/USB -o exec worked :)`
`07:40.32`	`chewed-on`	`I needed to create a directory in the media folder called "USB" first.`
`07:40.44`	`chewed-on`	`I thought Linux would create a folder there if it doesn't already exist ?`
`07:41.02`	`chewed-on`	`Oh yeah! it's working hehe.`
`07:41.13`	`chewed-on`	`vdv, qupada, THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS!`
`07:41.29`	`qupada`	`no problem`
`07:43.09`	`chewed-on`	`vdv: by the way, you said you used VIM right ?`
`07:43.15`	`chewed-on`	`Which version are you using ?`
`07:43.17`	`vdv`	`yes`
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`07:43.32`	`vdv`	`7.0`
`07:43.36`	`chewed-on`	`I'm using VIM version 7 and it's really stuffing up for me.`
`07:43.57`	`chewed-on`	`when I try to delete characters by pressing the backspace button, it just moves the cursor left without deleting the characters.`
`07:44.15`	`chewed-on`	`Then when I type something, it started to overwrite the letters.`
`07:44.51`	`chewed-on`	`vdv: do you know how to make it so it works like the old VIM or other text editor, where you press backspace on the keyboard and it deletes characters to the left of the cursor ?`
`07:45.11`	`madd_matt`	`chewed-on, thats how it works for me -- are you in insert mode?`
`07:45.14`	`vdv`	`chewed-on, this is kde channel, for vim questions go to #vim`
`07:45.23`	`chewed-on`	`:)`
`07:45.32`	`chewed-on`	`madd_matt: yes, I'm in insert mode.`
`07:45.44`	`chewed-on`	`This started happening when I changed to version 7.`
`07:46.01`	`chewed-on`	`The old version worked properly, but it didn't have any graphical mode so I decided to install version 7.`
`07:46.11`	`chewed-on`	`vdv: will do, thakns.`
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`08:20.18`	`chewed-on`	`Now I have a new problem.`
`08:20.22`	`chewed-on`	`I can't write to the USB now.`
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`08:20.25`	`chewed-on`	`I need root to write to it.`
`08:22.27`	`chewed-on`	`Any ideas how I can change the permission so my normal user account can write to the USB ?`
`08:24.13`	`thiago`	`wrong channel, chewed-on`
`08:24.19`	`thiago`	`ask in your distribution's channel`
`08:25.02`	`chewed-on`	`OK.`
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`09:17.41`	`otwin`	`hi - I want to configure a second panel I just added but right-click -> configure panel always applies to the first panel. I have done this on other installs but can't remember how... kde 3.5.5, btw`
`09:18.14`	`Renze`	`otwin: dcop kicker kicker restart, and try configuring the panel again`
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`09:19.24`	`thiago`	`otwin: configure panel applies to all panels`
`09:19.45`	`thiago`	`if there's the option of having differing settings per panel, the dialog will let you choose which one you're configuring`
`09:20.29`	`otwin`	`thanks - that did it.`
`09:20.47`	`Renze`	`no problem... it's a known glitch on some distros`
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`09:58.21`	`Xvt`	`morning all`
`09:58.31`	`Xvt`	`do you know about a good desktop sound rcorder for linux?`
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`09:59.23`	`atidem`	`hi`
`09:59.50`	`Xvt`	`like this one : http://www.voiceemotion.com/smartrecorder.htm`
`09:59.55`	`thiago`	`Xvt: "rec"`
`10:00.12`	`Xvt`	`ok`
`10:00.16`	`Xvt`	`no Krec ?`
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`10:03.06`	`Xvt`	`http://dot.kde.org/1113521812/1113548085/ ^^`
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`10:06.13`	`Xvt`	`bye all`
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`10:12.54`	`highneko`	`Is it possible to seperate irc commands so they're on one line? Like /nickserve ident ghost blah; /nick highneko`
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`10:16.12`	`oGALAXYo`	`highneko: no`
`10:16.15`	`Dirus`	`is there a way to prevent the monitor from turning off while the screen saver is going?`
`10:16.16`	`oGALAXYo`	`highneko: and not kde related`
`10:16.34`	`Renze`	`Dirus: disable DPMS`
`10:16.40`	`Dirus`	`I thought kscreensave did that by default but my monitor is going into powersave mode`
`10:17.19`	`Renze`	`Dirus: kcontrol -> peripherals -> display, power control tab`
`10:17.26`	`highneko`	`oGALAXYo: I'm using konversation. Which IS KDE related in my opinion. I'm making a suggestiong that someone make this work.`
`10:17.55`	`Renze`	`highneko: the place to make suggestions is by filing a wish on bugs.kde.org`
`10:18.25`	`Dirus`	`yea, that will do, thanks Renze`
`10:18.42`	`Renze`	`highneko: did you consider that it would be impossible to type a ; if your idea was implemented?`
`10:19.09`	`highneko`	`When a line begins with '/' maybe? Idk.`
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`10:19.25`	`Renze`	`extra overhead... fun`
`10:19.31`	`Dirus`	`my lcd has image retention/persistence and I've been told to "work out the pixels" so lets see if this works`
`10:20.31`	`Dirus`	`I need a title bar that slowly changes color throughout the day so I don't burn that image into my monitor`
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`10:32.41`	`alban__`	`I'm trying to use KConfig korgcfg( locate( "config", "korganizerrc" ) ); to get the current timeZoneId`
`10:32.54`	`alban__`	`but the compiler says he can't find locate()`
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`10:40.15`	`hareldvd`	`In Gnome (god forbid) I noticed there is a hot key definition to draw attention to the cursor location on the screen. Anything like that on our KDE?`
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`10:41.02`	`EvilGuru`	`Is there a javascript debugger for Konqueror`
`10:41.13`	`sredna`	`EvilGuru: yes`
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`10:42.26`	`EvilGuru`	`sredna: where can one find it (or does it need to be installed)`
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`10:44.04`	`sredna`	`EvilGuru: you can enable it in the javascript settings`
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`10:45.40`	`EvilGuru`	`sredna: yep, and then I can go view -> JS Debugger`
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`11:01.52`	`VincentMX`	`when i set it to parabolic zoom, it zooms parabolic, but it doesnt show the entire icon`
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`11:04.22`	`_manuel`	`holaa`
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`11:05.05`	`piquadrat`	`Hi! Is there some way to deactivate or stop the KDE automounter? I'm on Kubuntu...`
`11:05.25`	`_manuel_`	`holaaa`
`11:05.30`	`_manuel_`	`saludos desde españaaa`
`11:05.50`	`Renze`	`_manuel_: inglés`
`11:05.58`	`sredna`	`_manuel_: i think there is a spanish kde channel`
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`11:06.10`	`_manuel_`	`ok`
`11:06.13`	`Renze`	`piquadrat: kcontrol -> peripherals -> storage media, set the default actions to "do nothing"`
`11:06.37`	`_manuel_`	`but my english is a little bad`
`11:06.46`	`Renze`	`_manuel_: then you might want to go to #kde-es`
`11:07.06`	`_manuel_`	`ok`
`11:07.15`	`_manuel_`	`thank you`
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`11:09.52`	`piquadrat`	`Renze: it still gets mounted automatically...perhaps kubuntu has an automounter of its own.`
`11:10.24`	`Renze`	`piquadrat: perhaps... I know very little about kubuntu. you do realise that an icon on your desktop or in media:/ doesn't mean the drive is mounted, yes?`
`11:10.39`	`Renze`	`it just means the media was detected`
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`11:11.53`	`sredna`	`piquadrat: you can disale the media manager and notifier in the kde service manager`
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`11:12.32`	`sredna`	`then you are on your own, as far as detecting and mounting`
`11:12.32`	`piquadrat`	`Renze: there's also an entry in /etc/mtab and in the /media folder, so I'm positive it's mounted :)`
`11:12.47`	`Renze`	`piquadrat: perhaps kubuntu uses ivman?`
`11:13.07`	`Renze`	`piquadrat: in any case, the place to ask is #kubuntu`
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`11:14.17`	`sredna`	`i use kubuntu, and media does not get automounted here`
`11:14.59`	`pinotree`	`media in kde are never automonted`
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`11:15.12`	`piquadrat`	`sredna: I have no such entry in the service manager`
`11:15.17`	`pinotree`	`you can mount manually by double-clicking on the device or wht else`
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`11:16.38`	`piquadrat`	`well, I'll go ask in #kubuntu, as mounting seems to be handled by some kubuntu solution`
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`11:25.34`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`hi all is there a manager for kio's connections?`
`11:25.47`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`i have an ftp acc that only handles 2 conenctions`
`11:26.01`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`and kio always opens (or want to open) more than two`
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`11:26.08`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`and it blocks me in work:(`
`11:27.01`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`if i just select some files on ftp (in kate) and want's to open that, why it wants top open a connection for both files? why not one by one?`
`11:27.12`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`or is there a configuration file for kio? or anything?`
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`11:27.58`	`sredna`	`MetaBookfoziS: that is a long time standing issue`
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`11:28.20`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`yep i know, i have it near a year ago...`
`11:28.31`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`but i hoped some solution was bornd`
`11:28.52`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`(i uses kde a little bit more than one year)`
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`11:32.23`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`it hasn't got any config file?`
`11:32.33`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`it uses what developers thought?`
`11:33.17`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`braah:/ i wonder how this happened in a kde based software (all kde software have millions of option setting..., but the base, the coolest not...)`
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`11:35.35`	`RickSeymour`	`Question: How can i re-enable the "Save As" dialog when i click on a file in konqueror (web)`
`11:36.35`	`PhilRod`	`RickSeymour: settings->config konq->file associations->the mime type that you want->"ask whether to save file to disk instead"`
`11:36.37`	`PhilRod`	`roughly`
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`11:37.44`	`logixoul`	`yeah, or if you want it for all mimetypes try kwriteconfig --file konquerorrc --group "KFileDialog Settings" --key "Automatic Preview" --type bool false`
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`11:40.20`	`polonium124`	`Hallo, wie bekommt man den KDE Anmeldungsmanager direkt auf den Bildschirm, ohne ueber das kcontrol gehen zu muessen?`
`11:40.31`	`logixoul`	`gehen zu #kde.de bitte`
`11:40.35`	`logixoul`	`geht*`
`11:40.36`	`pinotree`	`polonium124: english or #kde.de`
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`11:40.53`	`polonium124`	`oh , really and that works ? will try`
`11:40.54`	`Glynn`	`Hi, does everybody use kopete to login to icq account?`
`11:41.06`	`logixoul`	`Glynn: yes`
`11:41.09`	`RickSeymour`	`PhilRod: .. that didnt work... the file is a .asp that opens a VCS file`
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`11:41.56`	`RickSeymour`	`just grep'ing the config dir...`
`11:42.01`	`Glynn`	`I'm a new user of kopete, I found that I can't login to icq. My kopete version is 0.12.4`
`11:42.08`	`logixoul`	`RickSeymour: then you should configure the vcs mime, not the asp one`
`11:42.27`	`logixoul`	`Glynn: do you have any contacts in your normal contactlist or is it a clean account?`
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`11:42.49`	`Glynn`	`logixoul: a clean account`
`11:42.51`	`logixoul`	`Glynn: known bug, fixed in SVN`
`11:43.10`	`logixoul`	`Glynn: to workaround it you need to add at least one contact from another client`
`11:43.27`	`logixoul`	`Glynn: you can use ICQ's web client for the purpose, or anything else`
`11:43.28`	`Glynn`	`logixoul:I c. Thanks a lots!`
`11:43.33`	`logixoul`	`np`
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`11:48.11`	`polonium124`	`Hello, how could i start the KDE LoginManager directliy, without entering the kcontrol first ?`
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`11:49.00`	`logixoul`	`polonium124: use the following command: kcmshell kdm`
`11:49.17`	`polonium124`	`thanks, I will try`
`11:49.35`	`wabz`	`Is it possible to make kmail show content-type text attachments inline, even if content-disposition: attachment?`
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`11:50.09`	`logixoul`	`yes, use View»Attachments»Inline`
`11:50.29`	`wabz`	`ahhh nice, thanks. Smart isn't ;)`
`11:50.35`	`logixoul`	`indeed ;)`
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`12:02.55`	`kim0`	`Hi, can kmail send HTML signatures ?`
`12:04.09`	`sabayonlive-841`	`did they fix the usage of 'inbox' of an MSN-account in Kopete when firefox is selected as default browser ?`
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`12:05.56`	`PhilRod`	`sabayonlive-841: if no one here knows, you could try #kopete`
`12:06.22`	`sabayonlive-841`	`yeah, thanks`
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`12:09.59`	`wally345`	`Can i use KDE with 2 display adapters and 2 monitors ?`
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`12:12.39`	`bunder`	`is there another way to connecting to a smb share without samba or lisa?`
`12:12.54`	`bunder`	`i tried the lisa way but it keeps telling me the daemon isn't running`
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`12:13.02`	`kim0`	`bunder: smb://server`
`12:13.06`	`kim0`	`in konqueror`
`12:13.24`	`bunder`	`kim0: protocol not supported`
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`12:13.36`	`kim0`	`! which distro is that`
`12:13.44`	`bunder`	`don't hurt me... lol... gentoo`
`12:13.51`	`kim0`	`check #gentoo then`
`12:14.02`	`kim0`	`+samba`
`12:14.07`	`kim0`	`or something when u emerge`
`12:14.11`	`kim0`	`I guess`
`12:14.26`	`bunder`	`bah, i didn't want to have to use samba`
`12:14.31`	`bunder`	`welp was worth the try`
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`12:35.13`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`wazzzup`
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`12:38.24`	`johnny69`	`I refuse to talk to anything that spells/types, "wazzup".`
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`12:39.30`	`Glynn`	`johnny69: what does "wazzup" mean?`
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`12:39.51`	`peppe`	`johnny69: "all your base"? "three headed monkey"?`
`12:39.57`	`johnny69`	`Beats the hell out of me....that's what someone just types 4 minutes ago then left the channel.`
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`12:43.52`	`JohnFlux`	`Glynn: "What's up?"`
`12:46.05`	`Glynn`	`JohnFlux: I just join this channel&don't know what's "w...", so I ask. Nothing.. :-)`
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`12:47.32`	`Jucato`	`he meant "wazzup" = "what's up?"`
`12:47.47`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`lol`
`12:48.10`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`I just wanted to break the silence`
`12:48.32`	`Jucato`	`and break it you did`
`12:48.38`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`yeah`
`12:48.42`	`Glynn`	`Oh. I c. Thanks..`
`12:48.50`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`you're welcome`
`12:49.28`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`Linux is for nerds right ? so here we are, a group of nerds ??`
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`12:49.41`	`AmpLiF1eR`	`rofl`
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`12:52.32`	`jordo23`	`Where do you enable favicons in Konqueror?`
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`12:52.51`	`Jucato`	`for booksmarks?`
`12:54.10`	`jordo23`	`Jucato: Yeah.....hey Jucato`
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`12:54.41`	`Jucato`	`jordo23: Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks, then right-click on the bookmark -> Update favicon or change icon`
`12:54.56`	`Jucato`	`but it's the site that determines what favicon is used initially`
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`12:59.30`	`jordo23`	`Jucato: Yeah....I understand....thank Jucato!`
`13:00.15`	`Jucato`	`ok.`
`13:05.33`	`XVampireX`	`Sho_: Domino seems to be compiling into kde stuff`
`13:05.45`	`XVampireX`	`Sho_: That's bad...`
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`13:09.44`	`Glynn`	`How can I find a channel in an IRC server?`
`13:10.40`	`peppe`	`there is /list, but don't use it`
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`13:11.22`	`Glynn`	`peppe:do u know how to use it?`
`13:11.32`	`Jucato`	`XVampireX: you decide where it will install. if you don't, it will install in $KDEDIR by default`
`13:12.07`	`XVampireX`	`Jucato:`
`13:12.31`	`XVampireX`	`(Reading database ... 196423 files and directories currently installed.)`
`13:12.34`	`XVampireX`	`Preparing to replace libqt3-mt-dev 3:3.3.7-1ubuntu3 (using .../libqt3-mt-dev_3%3a3.3.7-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...`
`13:12.37`	`XVampireX`	`Unpacking replacement libqt3-mt-dev ...`
`13:12.40`	`XVampireX`	`dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt3-mt-dev_3%3a3.3.7-3ubuntu3_i386.deb (--install):`
`13:12.43`	`XVampireX`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:12.46`	`XVampireX`	`Errors were encountered while processing:`
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`13:12.53`	`Jucato`	`there's a pastebin you know`
`13:13.01`	`peppe`	`Glynn: no. but don't use it, that'll cause for sure your disconnection`
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`13:13.23`	`Glynn`	`peppe: thanks!`
`13:13.30`	`Jucato`	`XVampireX: whoever packaged domino is the one to blame/ask. As I have compiled it with no such problems`
`13:13.45`	`Jucato`	`btw, when you install a binary package, it's not "compiling"`
`13:13.50`	`peppe`	`XVampireX: what is package "domino" ? it isn't in debian nor ubuntu`
`13:13.53`	`pinotree`	`XVampireX: a) PLEASE use a damn pastebin`
`13:14.08`	`pinotree`	`XVampireX: b) troubles with distro packages goes to #distro`
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`13:14.53`	`Jucato`	`Kubuntu doesn't have a Domino package. specially since it's a new style. I don't know who made that package or what was used to create it`
`13:14.56`	`XVampireX`	`peppe, Jucato, I compiled it, too... ./configure && make && sudo make install`
`13:15.15`	`XVampireX`	`or actually tell you the truth I did sudo checkinstall :P`
`13:15.30`	`Jucato`	`that would explain it`
`13:17.10`	`Jucato`	`checkinstall apparently didn't make a proper package. it's not the fault of Domino.`
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`13:17.44`	`peppe`	`XVampireX: and you did also a ./configure --prefix=/usr/, otherwise it would have been installed under /usr/local/ ... so purge it and reinstall. but what is domino and why the hell it provides a libqt-mt.so?`
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`13:18.58`	`Jucato`	`peppe: Domino is a widget style. and it doesn't provide that libqt-mt.so`
`13:19.01`	`XVampireX`	`No idea why, but domino is a Qt style`
`13:19.23`	`Jucato`	`peppe: probably something that checkinstall added. there was no such plugin when I compiled from source`
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`13:29.00`	`XVampireX`	`Hey people, does anyone know how khtml manages to render page widgets with the ones I used for Qt?`
`13:29.12`	`XVampireX`	`and why Gecko doesn't do that or even Opera which is itself based on Qt...`
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`13:33.38`	`PhilRod`	`XVampireX: might be the khtmlpart wrapper around khtml`
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`13:33.59`	`Maki`	`when is the deadline for kde 4`
`13:34.14`	`smileaf`	`Maki: to be decided.`
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`13:35.03`	`XVampireX`	`PhilRod: Oh, thanks :)`
`13:35.20`	`XVampireX`	`PhilRod: I think that this kind of integration should be present in other applications then :)`
`13:35.22`	`PhilRod`	`that's a guess though - I don't really know`
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`13:35.40`	`PhilRod`	`well, feel free to write to the firefox and opera developers`
`13:35.54`	`PhilRod`	`Maki: we don't do deadlines. It's done when it's done :-)`
`13:35.56`	`PhilRod`	`~kde4`
`13:36.17`	`apt`	`The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. We don't know when that will be. It will most likely be in 2007 or 2008, but it could be also 2009 or later.`
`13:36.17`	`Maki`	`but there is progress?!`
`13:36.18`	`Maki`	`or no`
`13:36.18`	`XVampireX`	`KDE4 is gonna rock, better wait for it.`
`13:36.18`	`smileaf`	`of course there is progress.`
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`13:36.20`	`XVampireX`	`There shouldn't be any deadlines for it`
`13:36.24`	`Jucato`	`Maki: There is still no official target date/month (or year?) for KDE 4.0 release. The most honest and most accurate answer we can give is "when it's ready." Some (unofficial) estimates are 2nd half of 2007 (Q3-Q4) or even early 2008. Please see http://dot.kde.org for KDE 4-related news and articles`
`13:36.53`	`XVampireX`	`Maki: Better wait for it to be completely stable and usable before jumping to KDE4, no?`
`13:36.57`	`Jucato`	`Maki: head over to dot.kde.org for KDE4-related news`
`13:37.04`	`XVampireX`	`Yeah, dot.kde.org is a great place :)`
`13:37.34`	`PhilRod`	`better get involved and find ways to help :-)`
`13:37.39`	`Jucato`	`wth?? 120 comments on the Kludge article?!?`
`13:38.11`	`pinotree`	`spam-spam-spam... lovely spaaam..`
`13:38.30`	`PhilRod`	`...to compile, I mean`
`13:38.46`	`Jucato`	`slower than branch? :D`
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`13:39.38`	`PhilRod`	`you know on devnew, you have to get a simple maths question right to be allowed to post? /me suspects you have to get it wrong to be allowed to post on the dot...`
`13:39.57`	`Maki`	`yes i know that`
`13:40.31`	`Jucato`	`PhilRod: nah the question for posting in the Dot is sort of click on the button that has this label`
`13:40.32`	`Maki`	`but is there is best deadline`
`13:40.47`	`XVampireX`	`I can't live without those damned kde applications, why do they have to make things so easy? :P`
`13:40.49`	`Jucato`	`no. there is currently no target date yet`
`13:40.51`	`pinotree`	`Maki: no`
`13:40.52`	`PhilRod`	`Maki: no, no deadlines`
`13:41.15`	`Jucato`	`heh.. 3 people saying "no" causes a "SendQ exceeded" :D`
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`14:14.50`	`nick01`	`how do I disable preview of images and text in files in konqueror ?`
`14:15.24`	`pinotree`	`view -> preview`
`14:15.25`	`sredna`	`nick01: in the configuration`
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`14:15.47`	`nick01`	`tks`
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`14:30.16`	`nick01`	`is there any way to make kpdf let u select text letter by letter like a normal text editor ? and like other pdf viewers can ?`
`14:31.51`	`Jucato`	`not letter by letter, but you can drag the selection box to select the text/letters/line`
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`14:32.09`	`nick01`	`Jucato, I know about that`
`14:32.24`	`nick01`	`Jucato, what about xpdf doesi t support that ?`
`14:32.28`	`nick01`	`it`
`14:32.42`	`Jucato`	`afaik, nope.`
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`14:32.50`	`Jucato`	`pinotree: any ideas? :D`
`14:33.11`	`pinotree`	`Jucato: he's already asking in #kpdf , and crossposting sucks a lot`
`14:33.18`	`nick01`	`sorry`
`14:33.19`	`Jucato`	`pinotree: ah ok...`
`14:33.30`	`nick01`	`I got the idea to get to kpdf after joining here`
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`15:37.24`	`Sho_`	`XVampireX: What is "compiling into KDE stuff" supposed to mean?`
`15:39.00`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: he used checkinstall to make a .deb package, and it seems to want to overwrite libqt3-mt.so or something`
`15:40.23`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: So he probably used this checkinstall thingie wrong`
`15:40.50`	`XVampireX`	`how was I supposed to use it?`
`15:41.11`	`Jucato`	`Sho_: probably. I don't use it so I wouldn't know how to do it properly`
`15:41.26`	`Sho_`	`Jucato: Or it's in fact not Domino-related at all. "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt3-mt-dev_3%3a3.3.7-3ubuntu3_i386.deb" doesn't quite sound like it was generated by trying to build Domino ;)`
`15:42.08`	`Jucato`	`All I know is that Domino compiled w/o problems here. and I do mean compile when I say "compiled" :D`
`15:42.30`	`Sho_`	`And I have such silly overwrite errors nearly every second time I try an apt-get upgrade in Kubuntu so it seems to be a common problem in Debian packaging`
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`16:00.06`	`glide`	`anyone know why my KDE startup.ogg sounds distorted when KDE is loading, but sounds fine after that?`
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`16:00.19`	`illogic-al`	`<eeyore_voice> This is fu.`
`16:00.32`	`illogic-al`	`s/fu./fun.`
`16:01.33`	`illogic-al`	`sup hon'? :-)`
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`16:02.43`	`illogic-al`	`join the trolling! http://dot.kde.org/1172249109/1172269315/`
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`16:05.03`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: nothing much hun! ;p`
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`16:05.25`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: still using fedora?`
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`16:05.49`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: no , no kde , no linux , using vista now ;p ;p ;p`
`16:05.57`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: happy with it ?`
`16:06.13`	`illogic-al`	`AAAAAAAAAARGH!`
`16:06.20`	`anisfarhana`	`haha`
`16:06.22`	`illogic-al`	`MY EARS BLEED :-P`
`16:06.26`	`stoned`	`huh`
`16:06.33`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: yep , still with kde+fc6`
`16:06.34`	`stoned`	`that not healthy`
`16:06.34`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: you like it?`
`16:06.40`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: no worries , no more windows ;p`
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`16:06.55`	`illogic-al`	`heheh. i thought you were serious.`
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`16:07.06`	`anisfarhana`	`i was kidding dear`
`16:07.13`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: how was ur study ?`
`16:07.13`	`j-b`	`Hello!`
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`16:07.21`	`stoned`	`hii`
`16:07.22`	`PhilRod`	`hi j-b`
`16:07.27`	`PhilRod`	`heya illogic-al!`
`16:07.37`	`j-b`	`I got a question, where can I find the code for http://www.kdevelop.org/doc/technotes/navigation_html_28af289c.png`
`16:07.40`	`stoned`	`hey guys`
`16:07.44`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: do u know any Disk Usage Analyze for kde ?`
`16:07.49`	`j-b`	`shortcuts dialog it is.`
`16:07.50`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: I gradumacated from college and I'm in graduate school studying HIV now :-)`
`16:07.56`	`stoned`	`i impletented two css themes and a stylesheet switches in my website`
`16:07.58`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: yup. kdf`
`16:08.02`	`stoned`	`http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/`
`16:08.02`	`illogic-al`	`or filelight`
`16:08.04`	`stoned`	`check it out`
`16:08.10`	`illogic-al`	`PhilRod: sup philrod.`
`16:08.15`	`stoned`	`or http://stoned.is.dreaming.org`
`16:08.18`	`stoned`	`what do you think?`
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`16:08.53`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: i'm stuck with something now...`
`16:09.00`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: that takes a LONG ass time to load`
`16:09.05`	`stoned`	`yeh`
`16:09.13`	`stoned`	`the default style.css is`
`16:09.23`	`illogic-al`	`um.`
`16:09.23`	`PhilRod`	`j-b: the shortcuts dialog is a standard widget from kdelibs, I think`
`16:09.27`	`illogic-al`	`might wanna fix that.`
`16:09.35`	`stoned`	`because for default theme i use png images which i need to be in jpg`
`16:09.42`	`PhilRod`	`j-b: you might want to ask in #kde-devel - there are more coders around there`
`16:09.43`	`stoned`	`500kb png -- 80kb jpg`
`16:09.48`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: try the debian style`
`16:09.52`	`stoned`	`thats very small`
`16:09.52`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al : im confused where my 40 GB hdd wasted...`
`16:09.59`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: plus it only my laptop on cable modem`
`16:10.00`	`Jucato`	`or #kdevelop`
`16:10.08`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: used 39.7 GB , i even move a lots of data to my another hdd`
`16:10.21`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: still takes a while when reloading`
`16:10.30`	`PhilRod`	`illogic-al: it's good thanks. Grad life is suiting me, although I've been suffering from the man flu`
`16:10.35`	`stoned`	`where can I find a free nonad webhost`
`16:10.41`	`j-b`	`PhilRod: thanks`
`16:10.42`	`illogic-al`	`PhilRod: man flu?`
`16:10.44`	`stoned`	`any good one`
`16:10.57`	`stoned`	`I suppose my laptop isn't making a good webserver?`
`16:11.05`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: you can do df -h /`
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`16:11.13`	`PhilRod`	`illogic-al: a cold (the allusion being that men get a cold, and claim it's flu to garner sympathy)`
`16:11.15`	`stoned`	`it shouldn't take that much, its only 250kb total loading on debian style`
`16:11.27`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: and look at which directories are using up the omost space`
`16:11.42`	`illogic-al`	`PhilRod: lol. nice.`
`16:11.51`	`illogic-al`	`I'll hve to use that one sometime`
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`16:12.25`	`illogic-al`	`PhilRod: my PI/mentor is from the UK. He should appreciate my cultural integration :-)`
`16:12.41`	`PhilRod`	`hehe`
`16:12.44`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: using kdf ?`
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`16:13.18`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: kdf is gui. df is command line. you can choose whichever you want.`
`16:13.24`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: now im looking for app that can show me "look at which directories are using up the almost space"`
`16:13.30`	`illogic-al`	`OR you can use filelight, which is more intuitive i think`
`16:13.42`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: try filelight`
`16:13.45`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: df -h just shows me /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 100% used`
`16:14.11`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: come with kde package ? ( filelight ) or i need to compile it ?`
`16:14.27`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: ah sorry. i meant du -h.`
`16:14.44`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: that depends on whether fedora has a package`
`16:14.49`	`illogic-al`	`arch has it :-p`
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`16:15.02`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: optimie them sumbitches`
`16:15.07`	`illogic-al`	`*optimize`
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`16:16.11`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: any gui app for du -h ?`
`16:16.24`	`illogic-al`	`[11:15] <illogic-al> anisfarhana: try filelight`
`16:16.28`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: i just want to see wasted space on my linux hdd`
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`16:18.21`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: downloading filelight now , thanks`
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`16:19.17`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: how if wasted space located on filesystem ?`
`16:19.21`	`anisfarhana`	`what should i do ?`
`16:19.35`	`illogic-al`	`delete stuff`
`16:19.37`	`illogic-al`	`:-)`
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`16:19.45`	`mni`	`hi jucato`
`16:19.51`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: must be pain hun :/`
`16:20.02`	`Jucato`	`hi mni! how are you?`
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`16:20.16`	`mni`	`cool`
`16:20.24`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: I was trying to find a link to an image optimization link but alas, I can not.`
`16:20.33`	`mni`	`how was the kde`
`16:20.39`	`anisfarhana`	`what is alas ?`
`16:21.03`	`mni`	`i was away for quite sometime`
`16:21.37`	`thiago`	`"alas" is an interjection meaning "unfortunately"`
`16:21.37`	`mni`	`how is annma?`
`16:21.39`	`Jucato`	`mni: KDE 3.5.6 and KOffice 1.6.2 has been released. I guess that would be the latest news`
`16:21.44`	`Jucato`	`mni: annma is at FOSDEM`
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`16:22.03`	`mni`	`congrat`
`16:22.22`	`pierreth`	`my aspell is not working`
`16:22.25`	`mni`	`she is in FOSDEM?`
`16:22.34`	`pierreth`	`but the command is my path`
`16:22.45`	`pierreth`	`KDE is unable to find it`
`16:22.46`	`anisfarhana`	`ah..what is FOSDEM ?`
`16:22.46`	`mni`	`hope she is doing fine?`
`16:22.55`	`anisfarhana`	`people here start talking an alien language`
`16:22.56`	`anisfarhana`	`:/`
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`16:23.04`	`Jucato`	`mni: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/`
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`16:24.09`	`anisfarhana`	`whoahh!`
`16:24.25`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: ok, each theme is now less than 50kb of graphics`
`16:24.25`	`anisfarhana`	`i think only great people can be at FOSDEM`
`16:24.31`	`anisfarhana`	`i hope i can be there for next 10 yrs :D`
`16:24.38`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: high jpeg compression instead of png`
`16:24.48`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: can you test the speed of my page now please`
`16:24.50`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: also, why set the image in the footer instead of making the background transparent?`
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`16:25.10`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: cuz text goes underneath making it look ugly`
`16:25.18`	`Jucato`	`mni: she's having a good time`
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`16:25.33`	`mni`	`jucato:i wish to attend such programe one day`
`16:25.50`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: faster.`
`16:25.51`	`chavo`	`stoned, page load pretty quickly here`
`16:25.53`	`mni`	`mni:yeah we hope so`
`16:25.58`	`stoned`	`yup`
`16:26.00`	`Jucato`	`mni: me too...`
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`16:26.08`	`mni`	`cool`
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`16:26.25`	`mni`	`when is she coming back?`
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`16:26.30`	`Jucato`	`I mean me too, I hope to be able to attend something like that`
`16:26.36`	`Jucato`	`probably after the weekend`
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`16:26.41`	`stoned`	`I have the buttons and two full themes and 4 large 1600x1200 background images in my public_html/images and the total size is 148kb`
`16:27.01`	`chavo`	`stoned, I had never heard of Hydrogen gonna check it out`
`16:27.06`	`ryanakca`	`marok crashed... and now when I start it, all it displays is a blank window. I've tried removing .kde/share/apps/amarok and .kde/share/config/amarokrc ... no avail. kill'd all amarok processes. Same problem Kubuntu Feisty Fawn, Herd 4. KDE 3.5.6`
`16:27.10`	`ryanakca`	`s/marok/amarok`
`16:27.14`	`stoned`	`default theme == 63kb :D`
`16:27.21`	`stoned`	`that shouldn't even be much for a dial up user`
`16:27.30`	`stoned`	`most websites loads tons more crap than I`
`16:27.35`	`stoned`	`chavo: hydrogen is awesome`
`16:27.41`	`mni`	`i want us to discuss about the kde conference wich we are organising in my country`
`16:27.43`	`stoned`	`if you click the link you'll see my samples`
`16:28.01`	`stoned`	`download, enjoy the beats and ask me if you need help with hydrogen`
`16:28.16`	`illogic-al`	`http://illogic-al.org/ <- default theme < 5 kb :-D`
`16:28.20`	`chavo`	`cool gonna install hydrogen in a minute, doing some backups right now`
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`16:28.32`	`mni`	`when are we going to meet?`
`16:28.33`	`ryanakca`	`Jucato: #amarok looks like someone dropped an atomic bomb in it... silent...`
`16:28.42`	`Jucato`	`ryanakca: good thing Ubugtu ain't here lol :)`
`16:28.43`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: yeh but you're not as cool as me`
`16:28.47`	`mni`	`date,time?`
`16:28.54`	`illogic-al`	`lol`
`16:28.54`	`Jucato`	`ryanakca: so I've heard... but there are times when people do answer`
`16:28.54`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: i gore more buttons than you AND I got transparency`
`16:29.01`	`stoned`	`it makes me cooler! leet! back off!`
`16:29.01`	`stoned`	`hehe`
`16:29.07`	`Jucato`	`mni: I don't know annma's schedule. sorry`
`16:29.11`	`ryanakca`	`Jucato: yeah`
`16:29.14`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: i've learned that simplicity and accessibility win over gawdy design :-p`
`16:29.21`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: its not gawdy`
`16:29.28`	`stoned`	`I still have a very simple design`
`16:29.28`	`mni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:29.31`	`illogic-al`	`I know, i was j/k`
`16:29.33`	`stoned`	`I just like the transparency`
`16:29.49`	`mni`	`do you know her mail address?`
`16:29.51`	`chavo`	`looks good to me I like the debian style`
`16:30.01`	`mni`	`so that i will contact her?`
`16:30.06`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: it is pretty sweet. but, I think you should choose more web friendly images.`
`16:30.06`	`survivor_`	`hey. any cmake gurus in here? ;)`
`16:30.35`	`thiago`	`survivor_: is it about the KDE 4 buildsystem?`
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`16:30.48`	`thiago`	`survivor_: if so, #kde4-devel; if not, #cmake`
`16:30.57`	`survivor_`	`ah, thanks. didn't see the latter room`
`16:31.19`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: what do you mean web friendly images`
`16:31.31`	`Jucato`	`mni: annma@kde.org`
`16:31.35`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: I also made simple and plain stylesheets for people who dont' want images`
`16:31.57`	`mni`	`ok`
`16:32.35`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: images that repeat so that they take up the whole window, while being small in size. OR images which only take up the main portion of the viewing window.`
`16:32.50`	`stoned`	`illogic-al: oh yeah, I ran into that p roblem`
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`16:33.02`	`stoned`	`there is no way I can have what I want with images that tile`
`16:33.15`	`stoned`	`I want a large background over which to lay transparency`
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`16:33.38`	`stoned`	`so can't really have a small thin line you can repeat vertically or whatever`
`16:33.41`	`illogic-al`	`stoned: you could have for example the image used in your defualt style fade to a blueish blend and then use a color for the rest of the sight which matches.`
`16:33.44`	`stoned`	`I need a whole image`
`16:33.56`	`stoned`	`I'll be discarding default anyway`
`16:33.59`	`illogic-al`	`but getting that just right take time (which i why I prefer repeating images :-)`
`16:34.03`	`stoned`	`I like the debian style much better`
`16:34.16`	`illogic-al`	`me too.`
`16:35.28`	`chavo`	`the background is 1600x1200 but still less than 50kb`
`16:35.30`	`illogic-al`	`still looks like teh suckage fullscreen though :-)`
`16:35.33`	`mni`	`Jucato:what about yours?`
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`16:35.56`	`mni`	`so that i will notify you on the arragement`
`16:36.05`	`Jucato`	`mni: not sure that I can be of any help at all. I'm not involved in kde-marketing...`
`16:36.15`	`Jucato`	`and I can't go there anyway... :D`
`16:36.36`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: did you find out what's causing your space to be used up?`
`16:36.38`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: still there ?`
`16:36.46`	`illogic-al`	`:-)`
`16:36.54`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: yep im using filelight now , but weird`
`16:36.56`	`mni`	`ours is not marketing but mere conference on linux and kde`
`16:37.10`	`Jucato`	`mni: er sorry, kde-promo`
`16:37.20`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: i delete almost 5.0 GB data ( even my own pictures ) but df -h still showing 100%`
`16:37.26`	`mni`	`no problem`
`16:37.51`	`mni`	`whats your advice on this issue?`
`16:37.51`	`illogic-al`	`hooold on a tick`
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`16:38.04`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: run du -h in the /var directory`
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`16:38.33`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: du -sh actually`
`16:38.43`	`illogic-al`	`du -sh /var`
`16:38.53`	`Jucato`	`mni: not really sure. I'm not the person to ask. sorry`
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`16:39.29`	`mni`	`sorry please`
`16:39.44`	`mni`	`i will mail her and here from her side`
`16:40.00`	`mni`	`thanks for the assistance`
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`16:40.12`	`mni`	`long live kde`
`16:40.29`	`stoned`	`yes`
`16:40.31`	`stoned`	`long`
`16:40.37`	`stoned`	`well`
`16:40.43`	`Jucato`	`mni: that would be the best. if I remember correctly, she also suggested that you send an e-mail to the kde-promo mailing list?`
`16:40.44`	`stoned`	`I only care if it lasts my lifetime`
`16:40.49`	`stoned`	`could care less about kde after I'm dead`
`16:40.55`	`stoned`	`cuz then i'll be dead`
`16:41.02`	`stoned`	`so naturally I wouldn't be able to care`
`16:41.04`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: 9.4G /var`
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`16:41.06`	`mni`	`yeah i send it`
`16:41.09`	`mni`	`since`
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`16:41.35`	`mni`	`since before i left for my assignment`
`16:41.39`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: rerun as 'du -sh /var/' note the `
`16:41.57`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: seems like df doesn't update after i deleted the data..`
`16:42.03`	`anisfarhana`	`df / du`
`16:42.20`	`illogic-al`	`nm for now`
`16:42.25`	`illogic-al`	`anisfarhana: rerun as 'du -sh /var/*'`
`16:42.51`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: 411M /var/cache <-- this is my cache for browser ?`
`16:43.11`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: 504M /var/log <-- and 504M for log ?`
`16:43.19`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: 504 M - MB or ?`
`16:43.27`	`illogic-al`	`yup mb`
`16:43.36`	`anisfarhana`	`gosh`
`16:43.57`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: i guess im even not clean my log since fc1`
`16:44.25`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: how to clear the logs ? normal delete ?`
`16:44.25`	`illogic-al`	`that's hardly important`
`16:44.43`	`illogic-al`	`what's the largest directory there`
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`16:44.59`	`illogic-al`	`/var was taking up almost 10 GB`
`16:45.02`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: /var/log/`
`16:45.15`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: 411M /var/cache`
`16:45.21`	`justAuser`	`good day!`
`16:45.31`	`anisfarhana`	`illogic-al: 148M /var/www`
`16:45.55`	`pierreth`	`OK, aspell is not working after a restart`
`16:45.56`	`illogic-al`	`good day~`
`16:46.08`	`pierreth`	`no, aspell is working`
`16:46.11`	`justAuser`	`I'm trying to configure kontact/3.5.5 so it doesn't pop up error msgs.`
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`16:46.29`	`pierreth`	`how can I change default encoding in KDE?`
`16:46.33`	`justAuser`	`I'd rather it worked like konq/javascript where it collects all the msgs in a log, and gives me a statusbar icon telling me they're there.`
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`16:51.30`	`smileaf`	`pierreth: I think that works off your locale.`
`16:51.57`	`pierreth`	`smileaf: Yes, I think so, do you know how to change it?`
`16:51.58`	`nick01`	`there's something wrong with the link to my home dir on the desktop- it always starts konqueror in a very big window- how do I start this behavior ? I have to delete konqueropr's config files to get it to behave right and it does only when started from the taskbar`
`16:52.10`	`smileaf`	`pierreth: your locale?`
`16:52.12`	`nick01`	`stop*`
`16:52.41`	`pierreth`	`smileaf: change the encoding for the locale`
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`16:52.56`	`smileaf`	`pierreth: dunno if thats possible.`
`16:53.29`	`pierreth`	`OK`
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`16:53.47`	`smileaf`	`nick01: window size in konqueror is saved with profiles, so set it to the size you want, and go Settings -> Save view profile`
`16:53.56`	`justAuser`	`nick01: is it a window-specific behaviour setting?`
`16:54.21`	`nick01`	`but it only does this when started from the desktop link`
`16:54.34`	`smileaf`	`nick01: its probably the file management profile then.`
`16:54.59`	`nick01`	`smileaf, different profiles for different links ? the link to home on the taskbar works fine`
`16:55.18`	`smileaf`	`no they should use the same profile`
`16:55.24`	`nick01`	`:\|`
`16:55.35`	`smileaf`	`your link to home might be omiting the profile tho.`
`16:55.36`	`chavo`	`nick01, you can also change the link to open - konqueror --profile filemanagement, and you can add the --geometry to the commandline`
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`16:55.56`	`smileaf`	`as chavo just beautifully described how to fix.`
`16:56.11`	`chavo`	`that's what I use I like my konq windows to open up in the same place`
`16:56.49`	`nick01`	`chavo, I just want it to use th default size`
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`16:57.22`	`nick01`	`I just realized it uses the same size as the web browser profile`
`16:57.48`	`smileaf`	`nick01: just add that --profile filemanagement to your link and it should open with the exact same size as the other one.`
`16:57.51`	`thechef`	`can i arrange icons by automatically detected 'curves' on the wallpaper?`
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`16:58.24`	`smileaf`	`thechef: nope, but if you can code it, submit the patch =)`
`16:58.35`	`nick01`	`smileaf, what do I add to the Home.desktop file to change that ?`
`16:58.47`	`thechef`	`okay, i would have to learn how to write such "plug-ins" first`
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`17:00.04`	`smileaf`	`nick01: that is a good question.. links have no such Exec= option.`
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`17:00.36`	`nick01`	`smileaf, a lnk to home shouldn't use that profile by default ? and as I said the taskbar one does :\|`
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`17:01.16`	`nick01`	`smileaf, or did until I clicked the desktop one which corrupted the other one too`
`17:01.37`	`smileaf`	`so now they both mess up the size?`
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`17:01.44`	`nick01`	`smileaf, yup :(`
`17:02.22`	`smileaf`	`its fine if you open it up in web browsing?`
`17:02.45`	`nick01`	`smileaf, yeah and as file manager has the same size as the web browser`
`17:03.08`	`smileaf`	`nick01: can you verify they are not using the same profile?`
`17:03.09`	`nick01`	`smileaf, KDE 3.5.6 btw`
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`17:03.49`	`nick01`	`smileaf, I can it has that sidebar thing and I selected the file manager profile and made no difference`
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`17:05.14`	`smileaf`	`nick01: Settings -> Load View Profile -> Simple Browser`
`17:05.30`	`smileaf`	`nick01: hows that work?`
`17:06.26`	`smileaf`	`it should change the size and put you to the default start page.`
`17:07.53`	`nick01`	`smileaf, shows some browser window strange size`
`17:08.16`	`smileaf`	`curious... what resolution you running at and what distro?`
`17:08.35`	`nick01`	`smileaf, 1280x1024 gentoo this never happened before`
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`17:08.59`	`smileaf`	`not quite sure what you mean by strange size, I also am running gentoo, but with a widescreen.`
`17:09.28`	`nick01`	`smileaf, a hightxwidth I';ve never seen before`
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`17:10.08`	`nick01`	`wait I'll restart KDE`
`17:10.10`	`smileaf`	`Ok makes alot more sense then... strange to me is some weird obviously wrong no matter if its default or not.`
`17:10.55`	`smileaf`	`restarting isn't going to fix it but oh well let him try =)`
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`17:12.54`	`nick01`	`smileaf, looks like I was wrong its not the desktop icon thats the problem- it changes its size only after I start konqueror as browser and then click the home link even on kicker`
`17:13.46`	`smileaf`	`ah, think I get about whats going on then.`
`17:14.08`	`nick01`	`smileaf, ok- any fix for it ? :\|`
`17:15.05`	`smileaf`	`let me see if I got this right and I'll try to explain.`
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`17:15.15`	`nick01`	`smileaf, k`
`17:17.53`	`smileaf`	`nope, appears to be behaving fine.`
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`17:18.30`	`nick01`	`smileaf, at the settings- load profile should there be a check mark next to the active profile ?`
`17:18.32`	`smileaf`	`what I was thinking is it trys to reuse sessions, so if you open it in web browsing my thought was it may reuse the session but not change the profile.`
`17:18.56`	`smileaf`	`but the link as its a local one, it does correctly set it to filemanagement.`
`17:19.09`	`smileaf`	`what it still could be tho is your not saving size in the profile`
`17:19.18`	`nick01`	`smileaf, at the settings- load profile should there be a check mark next to the active profile ?`
`17:19.26`	`nick01`	`"x" ?`
`17:20.13`	`smileaf`	`I don't know if those checkboxes are set. or if they just provide defaults for the save.`
`17:20.35`	`smileaf`	`no they just provide defaults for the save.`
`17:20.40`	`nick01`	`I don't have such a checkmark`
`17:20.50`	`nick01`	`I'll just try to save the size`
`17:21.02`	`texnofobix`	`my kopete doesnt like to auto reconnect. :(`
`17:21.04`	`smileaf`	`Oh load .. hey get back here..`
`17:21.06`	`smileaf`	`lol`
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`17:22.49`	`smileaf`	`I don't think kopete even has an autoreconnect.`
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`17:23.31`	`nick01`	`smileaf, yay ! I selected to save the size in profile and now works fine :P`
`17:23.45`	`smileaf`	`nick01: yah =p`
`17:24.07`	`nick01`	`tks :)`
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`17:29.21`	`tdik`	`is there any way to make kxkb use a shortcut like "alt+shift" ? I know about XkbOptions, but then I can't use any shortcuts in KDE then. :(. There might be something misconfigured - but what? (Fedora 6-7, kde 3.5.6)`
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`17:32.27`	`thiago`	`tdik: no, kxkb can't do that`
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`17:34.16`	`tdik`	`can I then somehow use XkbOptions and have global keyboard shortcuts ?`
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`17:51.28`	`candy_kisses`	`I want to put "View Mode" in the menu for right clickin in Konqueror... how do I go about doin that>`
`17:51.31`	`candy_kisses`	`?`
`17:51.57`	`jay`	`I want to put "View Mode" in the menu for right clickin in Konqueror... how do I go about doin that?`
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`17:58.33`	`fre`	`hi, got a problem with my kaffeine - sound does only work one audio channel - but not all station do have that - can someone help me?`
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`17:59.50`	`nick01`	`isn't the mplayer plug-in supposed to work in konqueror \?`
`17:59.57`	`nick01`	`I have it configured`
`18:00.01`	`nick01`	`but doesn't work`
`18:00.08`	`nick01`	`it works however just fine in firefox`
`18:00.26`	`nick01`	`http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1390#`
`18:00.32`	`nick01`	`can somebody test that ?`
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`18:00.38`	`wolsni`	`nick01: use kaffeine, kplayer, or kmplayer; they all provide kparts that konqueror can embed in webpages`
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`18:01.00`	`nick01`	`wolsni, why not mplayer plugin ?`
`18:01.25`	`wolsni`	`i hadn't tried it; if that works go with it`
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`18:01.42`	`nick01`	`it doesn't work thats the problem`
`18:01.50`	`nick01`	`not in konqueror`
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`18:13.01`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`really, kde is the most popular desktop?`
`18:13.03`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`http://dot.kde.org/1171994774/`
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`18:13.12`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`it says... but i think gnome has more users, not?`
`18:15.01`	`illogic-al`	`in the end, why does it matter?`
`18:15.09`	`antik`	`who cares who got more users?`
`18:15.31`	`illogic-al`	`You may know more people who use gnome, I may know more people who use KDE. In the end it's moot`
`18:15.32`	`antik`	`its all mater of taste`
`18:15.35`	`thiago`	`MetaBookfoziS: if we're more popular, we have more users`
`18:15.45`	`thiago`	`but, yeah, point is moot`
`18:15.51`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`has we more users?:)`
`18:15.53`	`thiago`	`we have no way of truly knowing and it doesn't matter`
`18:16.10`	`MetaBookfoziS`	`yep, it doesn't matter, but it intresting, i think.`
`18:17.32`	`illogic-al`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:17.33`	`illogic-al`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:17.34`	`illogic-al`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:17.48`	`illogic-al`	`now that matters. so i'm going to go read it.`
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`18:23.00`	`fuel`	`can we configure the kicker to display windows list of the current desktop only ?`
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`18:23.44`	`jay`	`4fuel, yeah u can`
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`18:23.49`	`jay`	`KControl`
`18:23.58`	`fuel`	`ok`
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`18:24.02`	`fuel`	`category ?`
`18:24.10`	`bossa`	`ciao`
`18:24.19`	`bossa`	`qualcuno parla italiano?`
`18:24.30`	`jay`	`Desktop->Behaviour/Multiple Desktops`
`18:24.35`	`jay`	`once u hav more than one desktop`
`18:24.52`	`bossa`	`o castellano?`
`18:24.54`	`fuel`	`no i am not talking about alt+tab......`
`18:24.55`	`jay`	`there should be an option displayed there to allow u to only show windows from ur current desktop`
`18:24.58`	`illogic-al`	`je ne parle pas l'italienne`
`18:25.06`	`fuel`	`list shown on the task bar`
`18:25.34`	`fuel`	`ok got the setting ;)`
`18:25.49`	`fuel`	`jay : thanks:)`
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`18:29.15`	`Mirrakor`	`Is there a channel for KAudioCreator?`
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`18:29.34`	`Mirrakor`	`my question is: Is it possible to submitt CDDB infos as well?`
`18:29.37`	`illogic-al`	`not that i'm aware of.`
`18:30.15`	`Mirrakor`	`well that's a pitty, someone should write it :D`
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`18:31.38`	`Mirrakor`	`(yeah yeah I know.. do something yourself instead searching someone else.. I'd if I'd know how to write c/c++ :D anyone has some good learning materials?(if possible in german and interactive :) )`
`18:31.57`	`thiago`	`the best interactive thing is your compiler`
`18:31.59`	`thiago`	`:-)`
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`18:33.47`	`illogic-al`	`nx i hear`
`18:34.13`	`zak_`	`smileaf: hi there`
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`18:35.17`	`zak_`	`smileaf: are u here ?.`
`18:35.33`	`Mirrakor`	`thiago: yes, that's what I mean with examples so you can learn from it`
`18:36.44`	`Mirrakor`	`www.michael-skiba.de/autostart.png anyone knows how I can avoid this?`
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`18:37.06`	`Mirrakor`	`(the Autostart window is badly sized..)`
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`18:39.36`	`PhilRod`	`Mirrakor: the qt tutorials on trolltech.com are quite good. You could try working through those, then look at tutorials on techbase.kde.org`
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`18:43.46`	`Skrot`	`Hi. Can I make konqueror read /etc/hosts before it tries to dns lookup?`
`18:44.24`	`PhilRod`	`s/anyway/by default/`
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`18:46.14`	`smileaf`	`zak_: ?`
`18:46.36`	`zak_`	`smileaf: rememeber me ?`
`18:46.40`	`smileaf`	`yep`
`18:46.45`	`zak_`	`great:)`
`18:47.28`	`zak_`	`smileaf: actually i moved to suse10.2 this week , and i was obliged to format it because i was obliged to resize my partition`
`18:47.30`	`zak_`	`anyway`
`18:47.47`	`zak_`	`i used to have the address forthat script but it was deleted :(`
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`18:47.57`	`zak_`	`smileaf: remember that staff?`
`18:48.10`	`smileaf`	`http://smileaf.org/~smileaf/ksplash_randomize`
`18:48.13`	`zak_`	`smileaf: wget http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/files/scripts/ksplash-randomize`
`18:48.15`	`zak_`	`:))`
`18:48.21`	`zak_`	`smileaf: yes man that was it :)`
`18:48.32`	`zak_`	`thanxs a lot man :)`
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`18:49.24`	`zak_`	`smileaf: how comes u still remember it ?:))`
`18:49.32`	`smileaf`	`zak_: good question.`
`18:49.42`	`zak_`	`lol`
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`18:50.34`	`zak_`	`and how can i delete a folder ?`
`18:50.48`	`Henkie-`	`what is the problem when konqueror and my desktop seem to stall, after clicking on a link in my irc client?`
`18:51.03`	`Henkie-`	`the link will only open if it shutdown kde`
`18:51.11`	`Henkie-`	`so i think some process is blocking`
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`18:53.59`	`zak_`	`smileaf:`
`18:53.59`	`zak_`	`Résolution de smileaf.org... 71.221.247.240`
`18:53.59`	`zak_`	`Connexion vers smileaf.org\|71.221.247.240\|:80...connecté.`
`18:53.59`	`zak_`	`requête HTTP transmise, en attente de la réponse...404 Not Found`
`18:53.59`	`zak_`	`19:53:18 ERREUR 404: Not Found.`
`18:54.19`	`zak_`	`smileaf: it says the file does not exist`
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`18:55.45`	`smileaf`	`http://smileaf.org/~smileaf/ksplash-randomize`
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`18:55.50`	`smileaf`	`- not _ ^^;;`
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`18:56.54`	`zak_`	`it works great now`
`18:57.03`	`zak_`	`i shall save this somewhere ;)`
`18:57.10`	`zak_`	`smileaf: thanxs man`
`18:57.18`	`smileaf`	`np`
`18:59.31`	`zak_`	`smileaf: by the way , is there any way to change the blue color of opensuse?`
`18:59.50`	`smileaf`	`color? what color?`
`19:00.41`	`zak_`	`the blue color of suse10.2i mean`
`19:00.50`	`smileaf`	`I dunno what you mean..`
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`19:01.21`	`zak_`	`on suse10.2 the color of was green ,but with suse 10.2 , it s a blue one`
`19:01.36`	`zak_`	`on the 10.1 it was green`
`19:01.51`	`smileaf`	`w/e "it' is.`
`19:01.56`	`elpower`	`hallo from greece`
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`19:03.30`	`zak_`	`i dont know how to explain it to u:/`
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`19:05.14`	`elpower`	`does somebody knows how i can emulate windows msn on my suse10 o/s?`
`19:05.47`	`feindbild`	`elpower: wine .... but you don't want to do that ... you want to use kopete =P`
`19:05.53`	`elpower`	`except kopete`
`19:06.17`	`elpower`	`i installed today wine`
`19:06.26`	`feindbild`	`elpower: gaim might also be of interest to you .... but this is #kde ^^`
`19:06.32`	`elpower`	`but it does nothing`
`19:07.18`	`smileaf`	`amsn, ccmsn, pymsn`
`19:07.34`	`smileaf`	`lots of msn programs. never used any of those tho.`
`19:07.45`	`elpower`	`yes but i want to activate also video call`
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`19:07.56`	`pinotree`	`kopete has video chats, too`
`19:08.10`	`pinotree`	`of course, if your webcam is supported`
`19:08.11`	`elpower`	`wait i will open it now]`
`19:08.22`	`elpower`	`thats a problem`
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`19:08.45`	`unity`	`in kmail, in a custom template, how can i add the output of a shell command? i tried inserting a line that has YSTEM="date" but when i create a new message from that template, it just says that verbatim`
`19:09.09`	`unity`	`hmm...that looks wierd on konversation`
`19:09.18`	`smileaf`	`yes that does.`
`19:09.29`	`unity`	`percent sign, followed by the words SYSTEM="date"`
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`19:09.57`	`Anarky`	`unity: %SYSTEM : write %%SYSTEM I think`
`19:10.03`	`Anarky`	`yes`
`19:10.41`	`elpower`	`in what channel i can find video conversations?`
`19:10.57`	`elpower`	`i have opened my kopete`
`19:12.16`	`elpower`	`does anybody used before kopete for msn conversation?`
`19:12.24`	`elpower`	`and how?`
`19:14.02`	`unity`	`Anarky: YSTEM : %SYSTEM="date" <-- i still get this verbatim when creating a new message from template`
`19:14.17`	`feindbild`	`is it possible to add attachments to a kmail template?`
`19:14.32`	`unity`	`Anarky: by the way, i'm using the folder named templates and editing an item in there, not under preferences`
`19:14.56`	`unity`	`Anarky: and i'm not sure how you have inserting a parenthesis and not have the rest of line have strikethrough formatting`
`19:15.15`	`Anarky`	`unity: I just was speaking about konversation`
`19:15.37`	`Anarky`	`to write "%S", you have to write "%%S"`
`19:15.49`	`Anarky`	`I don't know about kmail`
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`19:15.51`	`Anarky`	`sorry`
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`19:16.04`	`unity`	`Anarky: oh okay, thanks`
`19:16.10`	`unity`	`%TEST`
`19:16.19`	`unity`	`TRIKETHROUGH`
`19:16.50`	`Shadow_mil`	`%TEST`
`19:16.53`	`Shadow_mil`	`:(`
`19:16.55`	`MinceR`	`CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL`
`19:16.58`	`unity`	`apparently, i'm not the only one that has little or no clue how templates work aside from the templates folder`
`19:17.04`	`elpower`	`what will i do now with at least audio conversation?`
`19:17.31`	`unity`	`elpower: #kopete might know`
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`19:17.40`	`elpower`	`καλα`
`19:17.55`	`elpower`	`or fine in english`
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`19:37.40`	`positivo`	`ola`
`19:38.17`	`thiago`	`positivo: #kde-brasil`
`19:38.26`	`thiago`	`#kde is English-only`
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`19:38.54`	`positivo`	`oi`
`19:39.31`	`thiago`	`positivo: again, #kde-brasil or English`
`19:39.42`	`pinotree`	`thiago: (tell him in pt)`
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`19:40.57`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`How can my windows list show 10 entries for a single program launched once but running in 'on all desktops' mode !?`
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`19:42.05`	`feindbild`	`SAS_Spidey01: kde version?`
`19:42.33`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`kde 3.5.5`
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`19:43.42`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Gkrellm2 is symlinked in my .kde/Autostart but the menu shows`
`19:44.03`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`1 entry on desktop 2, and 10 more on desktop 1`
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`19:44.31`	`thiago`	`try killing gkrellm2 and then starting it again, once`
`19:44.43`	`thiago`	`see if the problem is related to autostart`
`19:45.09`	`thiago`	`maybe gkrellm is trying to do session management and, every time you log in, you start a new instance`
`19:45.35`	`PhilRod`	`I've had problems like that`
`19:45.41`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`pgrep's just returned 11 PIDs as well`
`19:45.47`	`PhilRod`	`never let it get to 10 instances though. Usually just started 2 :-)`
`19:45.52`	`catgirl20`	`oi`
`19:46.13`	`jhutchins`	`I have a mandriva system, and when I update KDE stuff I get a lot of this:`
`19:46.15`	`jhutchins`	`No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/hicolor'.`
`19:46.15`	`jhutchins`	`If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index.`
`19:46.19`	`jhutchins`	`How can I fix that?`
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`19:47.10`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`killed'em all and restarted it, only shows one entry on desktop 1 and its not running on Desktop 2 any more`
`19:47.17`	`catgirl20`	`alguem`
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`19:48.35`	`om3ga`	`hello all`
`19:48.37`	`thiago`	`jhutchins: fix the icon theme in /usr/share/icons/hicolor or remove it`
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`19:48.58`	`thiago`	`by the way, $ rpm -qf /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme`
`19:48.58`	`thiago`	`hicolor-icon-theme-0.10-1mdv2007.1`
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`19:49.25`	`thiago`	`so it looks like either you have a stale dir with leftover icons, or your hicolor-icon-theme package is corrupt`
`19:50.05`	`feindbild`	`SAS_Spidey01: exclude it from session management ...`
`19:50.24`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`thats what I'm tryin gto figure out how to do :-)`
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`19:50.55`	`feindbild`	`SAS_Spidey01: kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Session Manager`
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`19:51.37`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`danke`
`19:51.44`	`feindbild`	`SAS_Spidey01: kein prob ^^`
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`19:52.07`	`jhutchins`	`thiago: Is there a way to regenerate it? fix it, as you say?`
`19:52.20`	`jhutchins`	`This crops up for what looks to be all the themes.`
`19:52.37`	`thiago`	`do you have the hicolor-icon-theme package installed?`
`19:52.37`	`jhutchins`	`Since this was upgraded from earlier kde 3.x.x, staleness is likely.`
`19:52.52`	`jhutchins`	`thiago: I think so.`
`19:53.25`	`thiago`	`verify its contents please: rpm -V hicolor-icon-theme. See if it reports broken.`
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`19:54.15`	`jhutchins`	`Bingo, missing files.`
`19:54.19`	`logixoul`	`what's irc.kde.org?`
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`19:54.42`	`thiago`	`logixoul: here`
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`19:55.11`	`logixoul`	`thiago: so it's a redirector to irc.freenode.net/kde?`
`19:55.21`	`thiago`	`no`
`19:55.25`	`thiago`	`just irc.freenode.net`
`19:55.31`	`logixoul`	`k, thanks`
`19:55.41`	`thiago`	`$ host irc.kde.org`
`19:55.41`	`thiago`	`irc.kde.org is an alias for irc.freenode.net.`
`19:55.47`	`logixoul`	`I see`
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`19:58.32`	`logixoul`	`logixoul_: I just closed the tab, you dimwit :)`
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`20:03.38`	`feindbild`	`logixoul: I thing /ns GHOST is the thing youre lokking for ...`
`20:03.43`	`feindbild`	`if I remember correclty =/`
`20:04.26`	`logixoul`	`feindbild: thx, never knew that`
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`20:07.52`	`ThePeritus`	`hi there. when printing i get "A print error occurred. Error message received from system: cupsdoprint -P [.. ..]: execution failed with message: Must be connected to a terminal. " (Gentoo, KDE3.5.6)`
`20:08.08`	`ThePeritus`	`anyone familiar with that ?`
`20:08.36`	`ThePeritus`	`cups' test pages work fine so far..`
`20:08.53`	`Anarky`	`no idea`
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`20:10.07`	`thiago`	`ThePeritus: not a KDE error, sorry. Try #cups and #gentoo.`
`20:10.19`	`ThePeritus`	`thiago: k, thx.`
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`20:14.51`	`_Atomo64_`	`hey, while trying to compile kcfgcreator (from kde extragear) I get: (after ./configure) http://paste.debian.net/22642 I've both, libqt3-mt-dev and libqt4-dev installed`
`20:16.06`	`thiago`	`_Atomo64_: the kfcgcreator tarball requires unsermake?`
`20:16.08`	`thiago`	`that's odd`
`20:16.16`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: yup`
`20:16.50`	`_Atomo64_`	`(speciall because when ./configure finishes it says "Good - your configure finished. Start make now" :P)`
`20:16.51`	`thiago`	`really, that's odd`
`20:17.01`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`Does any one know if theres any scriptable stuff to interact /w a user besides kdialog/knotify?`
`20:17.09`	`thiago`	`projects shouldn't be releasing tarballs that require unsermake`
`20:17.37`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: why?`
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`20:17.58`	`thiago`	`because unsermake isn't a standard tool`
`20:17.58`	`johey`	`Hi!`
`20:18.01`	`johey`	`Can I set up different keymaps for different keyboards in KDE? Like for example using Swedish on my laptop's internal keyboard and US on an external board connected via USB?`
`20:18.10`	`thiago`	`_Atomo64_: anyways, try this: make -f admin/Makefile.common`
`20:18.31`	`thiago`	`johey: I don't think that's supported, by X or KDE.`
`20:18.51`	`johey`	`Hmh. Okay, thiago :(`
`20:19.08`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: seems like Zack prefers unsermake :P`
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`20:19.56`	`thiago`	`of course he does. All developers do :-)`
`20:20.04`	`thiago`	`but we still release code for make, not unsermake.`
`20:20.15`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: lol... if unsermake is weird... check this: http://paste.debian.net/22646`
`20:20.45`	`thiago`	`_Atomo64_: your autoconf is too new`
`20:21.10`	`thiago`	`the old admin script was done before an autoconf 2.60 existed`
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`20:21.24`	`wolfey`	`hello how can i run shell script .sh from konqueror?`
`20:21.33`	`wolfey`	`i dont want to open with kate`
`20:21.35`	`wolfey`	`i want to execute`
`20:21.49`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`tools->open terminal`
`20:21.51`	`thiago`	`wolfey: make the shell script executable`
`20:22.03`	`wolfey`	`it is`
`20:22.04`	`thiago`	`or Ctrl+E, or F4, or show a terminal emulator`
`20:22.23`	`wolfey`	`i can run it from terminal`
`20:22.29`	`thiago`	`wolfey: how do you run it from the terminal?`
`20:22.36`	`wolfey`	`./izdelki.sh`
`20:22.38`	`SAS_Spidey01`	`one thing I liked about Gnomes FM, was you could choose a default action of run or edit on double clicking scripts`
`20:22.41`	`wolfey`	`in that directory`
`20:22.49`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: I only got autoconf 2.61 and 2.13 ... but not 2.53 (but isn't it supposed to work with new versions? "KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or _newer_")`
`20:23.23`	`thiago`	`like I said, it's too new and the script is too dumb to know that it does work.`
`20:23.32`	`thiago`	`you'll have to patch the source for it to build.`
`20:23.40`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: any possible workaround?`
`20:23.56`	`thiago`	`patching the source is the workaround`
`20:24.09`	`thiago`	`patching the admin/cvs.sh script`
`20:24.09`	`pipitas`	`thiago: any message that contains "cupsdoprint" originates from KDE, and if the CUPS test page printed OK, it more likely is a KDE problem than not...`
`20:25.07`	`thiago`	`pipitas: if you say so. I couldn't know.`
`20:25.52`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: updating KDE_AUTOCONF_VERS's value is enough?`
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`20:26.03`	`thiago`	`_Atomo64_: I don't think so.`
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`20:29.44`	`mitch001`	`hi, can someone help me figure out how to make domino murrina work? I'm coming from a mostly gtk background and I can't figure it out =/`
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`20:33.00`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: What's the problem?`
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`20:34.02`	`mitch001`	`I don't know, because I can't figure out where to start`
`20:34.14`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: OK, start from the beginning :)`
`20:34.35`	`mitch001`	`haha ok (: and where would that be?`
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`20:35.27`	`pinotree`	`for example describing it?`
`20:35.43`	`mitch001`	`I've followed http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=51597`
`20:36.03`	`mitch001`	`extracted the config files to ~/.qt`
`20:36.14`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: I already updated KDE_AUTOCONF_VERS, and admin/cvs.sh is http://paste.debian.net/22648`
`20:36.28`	`om3ga`	`ksirc anyone know anything about it??`
`20:36.38`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Ok, have you installed Domino itself?`
`20:36.45`	`mitch001`	`yes`
`20:36.48`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: but still not working :(`
`20:36.54`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42804`
`20:37.21`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: lol... it isn't complaining about autoconf anymore... hehe, now it is autoheader :S`
`20:37.27`	`mitch001`	`SSJ_GZ: that's installed, I can select it in kcontrol`
`20:37.37`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Good :)`
`20:38.13`	`mitch001`	`and i can run "domino_murrina"`
`20:38.29`	`mitch001`	`to create a config file`
`20:38.30`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Doing well :)`
`20:38.59`	`mitch001`	`but it says open "domino-config", where is that?`
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`20:40.58`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Have you then gone to KControl ->Style -> Domino -> Configure -> Load/ Save?`
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`20:41.27`	`mitch001`	`SSJ_GZ: no I'll try that now`
`20:43.15`	`_Atomo64_`	`thiago: how can I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/22649 ... I'm not very used to unserstand compiler errors`
`20:43.18`	`mitch001`	`SSJ_GZ: ok I did that, now what? eevrything looks only partially murrina'd`
`20:43.32`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Did you click Apply?`
`20:43.46`	`mitch001`	`yes`
`20:43.52`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Hmmm`
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`20:44.06`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Sounds like a bug. Every KDE app should auto-update itself.`
`20:44.27`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: to use the new theme`
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`20:44.39`	`mitch001`	`well it is using the new theme`
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`20:44.59`	`mitch001`	`it just doesn't look liek that nice screenshot on kde-look with the gilouche colors`
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`20:46.21`	`muczy`	`hello`
`20:46.28`	`muczy`	`how can i make kde remember that thunderbird and azureus should be fullscreen?`
`20:46.36`	`muczy`	`the special window config can't do this`
`20:46.46`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: Ok, I don't know what;s wrong without seeing a screenshot.`
`20:48.44`	`mitch001`	`SSJ_GZ: thanks for the help, but I gotta go take the dog for a walk she won't stop nudging me :P, I'll be back later if I can't figure it out. Thanks again for the help (:`
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`20:49.03`	`SSJ_GZ`	`mitch001: np, hope you get it sorted :)`
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`20:50.34`	`boubbin`	`when i start kde with Beryl and Beryl-manager in .kde/Autostart i have white desktop, cube rolls nice, but all shades are white, works great with compiz but not with beryl, how to fix?`
`20:51.09`	`illogic-al`	`boubbin: hollanasec`
`20:51.28`	`illogic-al`	`boubbin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=363480`
`20:51.30`	`thiago`	`_Atomo64_: that I don't know. It's a source code problem.`
`20:51.42`	`thiago`	`muczy: Alt+F3, Advanced, Special Window Settings`
`20:51.54`	`illogic-al`	`http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3057`
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`20:52.43`	`DeX77`	`hi`
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`20:53.16`	`muczy`	`thiago, but this is no use... it will maximize _all_ thunderbird windows, and won't maximize azureus`
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`20:57.36`	`DeX77`	`any of you know wich file hold the "kcmshell desktopbehavior" config in ~/.kde ?`
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`21:00.44`	`thiago`	`mustasj: give it more information on which windows it should maximise`
`21:00.50`	`thiago`	`oh, he left`
`21:00.55`	`thiago`	`mustasj: sorry, that was to someone else`
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`21:07.03`	`DeX77`	`any of you know wich file hold the "kcmshell desktopbehavior" config in ~/.kde ? (frugalware-current, KDE-3.5.6) <-- better? ;)`
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`21:09.14`	`qupada`	`DeX77: i would assume kdesktoprc`
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`21:10.51`	`DeX77`	`qupada: well I guessed the same.. but deleting it had no effect :(`
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`21:12.59`	`DeX77`	`qupada: I think my problem has something todo with HAL + Mime..`
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`21:17.06`	`bram85`	`DeX77: it is kdesktoprc, however, the menu style option is saved in kdeglobals`
`21:17.16`	`zak_`	`is www.kde-look.org down?`
`21:17.23`	`zak_`	`i cant enter the site:/`
`21:17.28`	`bram85`	`zak_: no`
`21:17.31`	`Renze`	`zak_: nope`
`21:17.33`	`bram85`	`works fine here`
`21:17.38`	`zak_`	`:(`
`21:17.56`	`DeX77`	`bram85: I don't need the menu style.. I need the config Options for "Device Icons"`
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`21:19.57`	`mefisto__`	`I'm having menu problems. When the mouse goes to the multimedia submenu, the panel crashes.`
`21:20.29`	`mefisto__`	`Even when I try to access the multimedia submenu in the menu editor, the menu editor crashes`
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`21:22.30`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: a backtrace is necessary to identify the problem`
`21:22.57`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: the drkonqi window that pops up will provide you with one`
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`21:23.30`	`mefisto__`	`panel or menu editor backtrace?`
`21:24.02`	`logixoul`	`either... I guess they'll point to the same problem`
`21:24.59`	`mefisto__`	`logixoul: http://rafb.net/p/XVcA3979.html`
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`21:25.32`	`LazyBear`	`anybody who know of prebuilt executables of kde 4 for windows?`
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`21:25.59`	`logixoul`	`LazyBear: dunno but it's nothing you wanna see.`
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`21:26.12`	`LazyBear`	`oh?`
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`21:26.23`	`LazyBear`	`I tried some on os x earlier..`
`21:26.29`	`logixoul`	`it's not usable yet.`
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`21:26.37`	`logixoul`	`not impressive either.`
`21:26.38`	`LazyBear`	`worked reasonably well there..`
`21:26.38`	`bram85`	`LazyBear: i heard at fosdem there are libraries for download, but they are far from final`
`21:26.40`	`DeX77`	`ok, next try: where in ~/.kde does 3.5.6 cache/store the mimelnk/media files?`
`21:26.56`	`LazyBear`	`yeah.. kdelibs.com or something`
`21:27.07`	`LazyBear`	`but I don't wanna compile them :p`
`21:27.17`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: does navigating in konq to applications:/Multimedia/ work?`
`21:28.08`	`mefisto__`	`logixoul: crashes konq`
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`21:31.56`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: and navigating to $KDEDIR/share/applications/kde ?`
`21:32.18`	`Trent`	`What is a good ftp (drag and drop support) client for KDE?`
`21:32.28`	`logixoul`	`Trent: konqueror ;)`
`21:32.29`	`bram85`	`Trent: konqueror`
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`21:33.16`	`logixoul`	`DeX77: dunno but it has something to do with sycoca`
`21:33.39`	`Trent`	`logixoul, bram85: Thanks. It's not half bad =D`
`21:34.37`	`mefisto__`	`logixoul: where should $KDEDIR point to?`
`21:35.17`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: depends on your distro. on suse it's /opt/kde3 and you can find out on any distro by running kde-config --prefix`
`21:35.58`	`mefisto__`	`I'm on kubuntu`
`21:36.16`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: then something like /usr/share or /usr/kde/share`
`21:36.20`	`Trent`	`Is kwrite the best text editor for editing files like PHP, Javascript, and HTML on KDE?`
`21:36.23`	`mefisto__`	`$KDEDIR in konq doesn't work`
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`21:36.38`	`bonbonthejon`	`mefisto__: good, you came in here`
`21:36.39`	`logixoul`	`Trent: depends, but Kate is generally better`
`21:36.57`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: do "env \| grep KDE" in console`
`21:36.59`	`bonbonthejon`	`Trent: kate has more features than kwrite`
`21:37.02`	`Trent`	`logixoul, What's are the differences? Are they noticable?`
`21:37.08`	`logixoul`	`Trent: they are`
`21:37.12`	`logixoul`	`Trent: kate is MDI`
`21:37.31`	`logixoul`	`Trent: kate has some special dev features like embedded terminal and command line`
`21:37.43`	`logixoul`	`Trent: and external tools calling`
`21:37.45`	`logixoul`	`etc`
`21:37.51`	`Trent`	`logixoul, Cool. Thanks =]`
`21:37.53`	`logixoul`	`np`
`21:37.57`	`mefisto__`	`ok, I can navigage to /usr/share/applications/kde/ with no crashes`
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`21:39.28`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: weird, the problem is with ksvg rendering some icon but the same icon is supposed to be in /usr/share/applications/kde/ so that should've crashed too`
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`21:39.40`	`mefisto__`	`env \| grep KDE gave me KDE_MULTIHEAD=false and KDE_FULL_SESSION=true`
`21:39.50`	`logixoul`	`never mind env`
`21:40.39`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: check kubuntu's bug tracker and http://bugs.kde.org for similar reports`
`21:40.40`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: why do you think?`
`21:40.41`	`mefisto__`	`logixoul: wait. I restarted kicker with sudo, got the default panel and the menu doesn't crash.`
`21:41.17`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: well, I've no idea why that can happen other than memory corruption - you can check for that using Memtest+`
`21:41.23`	`logixoul`	`but nice it works.`
`21:41.26`	`mefisto__`	`logixoul: I also get crashes when trying to change the icon in a panel button`
`21:42.19`	`logixoul`	`DeX77: because AFAIK that's where kde caches the mimelnk files... I read it somewhere`
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`21:43.13`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: deleted ~/.kde/tmp-<Hostname>/ksycoa.. no effect`
`21:43.39`	`bram85`	`the media files are in $KDEDIR/share/mimelnk/media/ , but i cannot see where the changes go in ~/.kde`
`21:43.53`	`logixoul`	`DeX77: what effect do you need?`
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`21:44.07`	`mefisto__`	`can I edit the menu without the menu editor?`
`21:44.48`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: possibility to change shown Media Icons on desktop and in Memory Devices again..`
`21:45.08`	`logixoul`	`DeX77: setting it in kcontrol doesn't work?`
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`21:46.07`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: this is what "kcmshell desktopbehavior" should do.. but the corresponding field is simply empty`
`21:46.25`	`JamesB192`	`mefisto__: Probably, I don't recall how offhand.`
`21:46.48`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: activating/deactivating the global field however shows my partitions or hides them..`
`21:47.01`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: but it also hides everything else :(`
`21:47.20`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: maybe /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu`
`21:48.31`	`logixoul`	`DeX77: can't help you`
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`21:48.40`	`bram85`	`sorry, bailing out as well`
`21:49.02`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: the standard is here: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s02.html`
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`21:49.18`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: ok.. thx`
`21:49.23`	`chovy`	`is anyboyd else have issues with k3b?`
`21:49.34`	`mefisto__`	`thanks logixoul`
`21:49.49`	`chovy`	`says "unable to determine file size"`
`21:50.08`	`DeX77`	`chovy: nope..`
`21:50.45`	`chovy`	`/usr/bin/mkisofs: Error: 'VIDEO_TS' and '/tmp/kde-ettinger/k3bVideoDvd0/VIDEO_TS' have the same Rock Ridge name 'VIDEO_TS'.`
`21:50.50`	`logixoul`	`chovy: http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=unable+to+determine+file+size+k3b`
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`21:51.08`	`logixoul`	`mefisto__: np`
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`21:52.07`	`yonkeltron`	`is there a channel appropriate for asking pyqt/pykde questions?`
`21:52.17`	`logixoul`	`#kde-devel and #kde4-devel`
`21:52.23`	`logixoul`	`nothing more specific I think`
`21:53.48`	`yonkeltron`	`logixoul: ah...thanks!`
`21:53.48`	`logixoul`	`np`
`21:53.49`	`yonkeltron`	`logixoul: i seem to be having some wierd errors from mixing QT widgets and KDE widgets...oops@`
`21:53.49`	`logixoul`	`k... ask there`
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`22:12.16`	`n3kl`	`Anyone in here use k9copy to burn dvds?`
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`22:18.13`	`n3kl`	`Anyone awake?`
`22:18.32`	`logixoul`	`I don't use that`
`22:18.41`	`logixoul`	`last time I used K3gb`
`22:18.43`	`n3kl`	`logixoul: do you copy dvds?`
`22:18.45`	`logixoul`	`K3b*`
`22:18.51`	`logixoul`	`some time ago, yes`
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`22:19.27`	`DeX77`	`re`
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`22:20.01`	`DeX77`	`logixoul: ok, deleting everything in /tmp, ~/.kde/tmp-* and ~/.kde/cache-* did the trick :)`
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`22:20.26`	`n3kl`	`logixoul: I get cannot copy encrypted dvds...`
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`22:21.37`	`logixoul`	`DeX77, nice`
`22:22.01`	`logixoul`	`n3kl, dunno. what I've copied was not encrypted.`
`22:22.38`	`n3kl`	`ah, I am just wanting to make backups of the dvds I have, but I can't figure it out`
`22:23.21`	`DeX77`	`n3kl: what u need is something like "ripit4me" for linux`
`22:23.55`	`n3kl`	`I have used k9copy in the past, now I get error reading from pipe.`
`22:25.23`	`DeX77`	`n3kl: sounds like something is going wrong in that pipe`
`22:25.32`	`n3kl`	`heh`
`22:26.10`	`madd_matt`	`n3kl, i prefer the command line dvdbackup personally. It has always worked for me.`
`22:26.48`	`n3kl`	`madd_matt: will that allow you to reburn the dvd?`
`22:26.56`	`n3kl`	`or just make isos`
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`22:27.16`	`n3kl`	`I would prefer to put my original dvds back in the case and on the shelf`
`22:27.18`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`gday all`
`22:27.41`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`Is this a channel dedicated to developers or can I ask a question about configuring KDE ?`
`22:27.57`	`madd_matt`	`n3kl, it places decrypted files in a folder on your drive, that can be burned to a disk with k3b or whatever software.`
`22:29.31`	`DeX77`	`ok guys.. will go to bed now.. good n8`
`22:29.40`	`logixoul`	`night dex`
`22:29.54`	`logixoul`	`Akeson_Chihiro: it's an user channel, ask away`
`22:30.03`	`logixoul`	`Akeson_Chihiro: devs are in #kde-devel`
`22:30.11`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`ok thanks logixoul`
`22:30.12`	`n3kl`	`madd_matt: my only concern with that would be an 8GB directory that would be unable to fit on a regular dvd`
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`22:30.40`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`I would like to know - it's for Quanta Plus actually - to set directory for buffers`
`22:30.45`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`how`
`22:30.51`	`madd_matt`	`n3kl, you could just get DVD9s ;).`
`22:31.05`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`to change the path to put name_file.name_exension+tild`
`22:31.14`	`n3kl`	`madd_matt: ?`
`22:31.22`	`logixoul`	`Akeson_Chihiro: buffers? you mean backups?`
`22:31.26`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`yes`
`22:31.59`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`I misnderstood jEdit used it for buffers too if I remember`
`22:32.16`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`yes to avaoid backups in the save directory`
`22:32.21`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`arf avoid`
`22:32.25`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`same`
`22:32.33`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`Wow I aplogize, I am not drnk`
`22:32.35`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`drunk`
`22:32.36`	`logixoul`	`Akeson_Chihiro: I'm not sure, try settings->configure editor->open/save->backup on save`
`22:32.53`	`logixoul`	`I don't have quanta`
`22:33.25`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`Unfortunately I thought about it and there is not such an option`
`22:33.47`	`logixoul`	`kate has it so I thought quanta would too`
`22:33.57`	`logixoul`	`good night all`
`22:33.58`	`madd_matt`	`n3kl, you can get 9gb blank dvds.`
`22:34.11`	`qupada`	`no you can't`
`22:34.22`	`qupada`	`they hold 8,500,000,000 bytes`
`22:34.30`	`qupada`	`about 7.9GB`
`22:35.02`	`madd_matt`	`you're right`
`22:35.14`	`madd_matt`	`i thought they were 9,000,000,000 bytes`
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`22:36.25`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`I am blind, there is configure editor in quanta plus :(`
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`22:38.12`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`Yeah but I have the choice : remote - local and the suffix and prefix. Where ccan I change the path, please ?`
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`22:40.02`	`vbgunz`	`kommander is pretty nice. how do you anchor the widgets so they do not remain static when resizing the main form?`
`22:40.05`	`tsb`	`Is there an easy timer program in kde? like if I want something to beep in 15 minutes? I know it's a matter of sleep and a media-player, but is there a kde app for this?`
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`22:40.56`	`Akeson_Chihiro`	`oarf see ya later`
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`22:41.03`	`shadok`	`tsb: kalarm ?`
`22:41.23`	`shadok`	`ah if you just want a timer kteatime would be better`
`22:41.32`	`tsb`	`shadok: yes, but something easier? start a program, type 15, go`
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`22:41.47`	`shadok`	`kteatime or a bash script`
`22:41.51`	`tsb`	`that sounds more right, I don't have it though`
`22:41.57`	`Renze`	`tsb: write one`
`22:42.26`	`vbgunz`	`Renze: I'd like to write, probably be a piece of cake in Kommander. just how about my question above?`
`22:42.40`	`Renze`	`vbgunz: never used kommander, sorry`
`22:42.42`	`tsb`	`i know the bashscript is pisseasy like i mentioned.. but I wasn't asking about terminal programs`
`22:42.51`	`tsb`	`i'll have a look at kteatimer`
`22:43.04`	`vbgunz`	`tsb: look into kommander, maps a gui to bash or any script you like, pretty nice`
`22:43.20`	`vbgunz`	`my issue is with anchoring the form elements. right now, it feels real primitive`
`22:43.24`	`shadok`	`sleep 15 &&adcopcalltosomething`
`22:43.56`	`Renze`	`sleep 10s && eyepoke shadok`
`22:44.06`	`shadok`	`hey`
`22:44.26`	`shadok`	`what did i do for you that ? :)`
`22:44.33`	`vbgunz`	`it's sleep 15m ;)`
`22:44.39`	`shadok`	`ahh oops`
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`22:52.09`	`alanic`	`what is a good way to make sure a program gets run when I start my kde session?`
`22:53.05`	`vbgunz`	`alanic: have you tried playing around with your atuostart directory?`
`22:53.07`	`Renze`	`~autostart`
`22:53.09`	`apt`	`To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273`
`22:53.21`	`vbgunz`	`autostart* sorry`
`22:53.26`	`alanic`	`~/.kde/Autostart ?`
`22:53.28`	`apt`	`somebody said /.kde/autostart was empty.`
`22:53.47`	`vbgunz`	`~/.kde/Autostart`
`22:53.48`	`apt`	`extra, extra, read all about it, /.kde/autostart is empty.`
`22:54.09`	`vbgunz`	`case sensitive`
`22:54.27`	`alanic`	`I wish there was a gui thing`
`22:54.56`	`alanic`	`oh there is in konqueror ok`
`22:55.41`	`alanic`	`yakuake rocks btw`
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`22:57.37`	`vbgunz`	`anybody play with qt4-designer on Ubuntu? I just installed qt4-designer using apt-get but I see no way to launch it. I ran apropos qt and got a few hits and don't see it. whats the trick?`
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`23:05.05`	`Simkin`	`vbgunz: just "designer"`
`23:05.17`	`Simkin`	`vbgunz: it's a little counter intuitive isn't it`
`23:05.25`	`litb`	`yeah! finally with the lastest kicker i can change the colour of the taskbar text`
`23:05.29`	`vbgunz`	`Simkin: I asked in Kubuntu, it shows up as designer-qt4`
`23:05.50`	`Simkin`	`vbgunz: yah? odd! for me it's definately designer, but whatever works!`
`23:06.02`	`vbgunz`	`Simkin: not sure, I figured apropos would help out a bit. I learned a bit about dpkg :)`
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`23:13.35`	`vbgunz`	`Simkin: I do have designer`
`23:13.48`	`vbgunz`	`its the same thing`
`23:14.34`	`Simkin`	`ahh`
`23:14.36`	`Simkin`	`sweet!`
`23:14.40`	`Simkin`	`at least i'm not losing my mind!`
`23:14.59`	`Simkin`	`btw, if you're trying to learn qt, i highly recommend the book C++ Gui Programming with QT4`
`23:15.01`	`Simkin`	`it's excellent`
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`23:21.04`	`lostson`	`Simkin: that bruce perens book`
`23:21.09`	`lostson`	`i have the qt3 version`
`23:22.13`	`pierreth`	`Simkin: But how to program with KDE on Linux?`
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`23:22.43`	`pierreth`	`What is the QT version with KDE 3.5?`
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`23:27.57`	`unity`	`3.something`
`23:28.19`	`unity`	`i think KDE major versions follow QT major version numbers`
`23:28.38`	`unity`	`don't quote me on that`
`23:28.51`	`unity`	`unless you include the "i think"`
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`23:30.33`	`_Atomo64_`	`unity: at least for the first version number --> kde2, qt2, kde3, qt3, kde4, qt4`
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`23:31.32`	`pierreth`	`unity: KDE 3.5 runs on QT 3`
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`23:33.35`	`pierreth`	`do you know an application that can grab a web site to create a local copy?`
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`23:36.12`	`Simkin`	`pierreth: wget`
`23:37.20`	`_Atomo64_`	`pierreth: wget, httrack, konqueror:tools->archive web page`
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`23:43.18`	`Simkin`	`is ther ea kde based gnutella client?`
`23:43.28`	`pierreth`	`_Atomo64_: Thank you`
`23:43.54`	`Renze`	`Simkin: apollon, but it hasn't been updated in over two years`
`23:43.56`	`pierreth`	`Simkin: Thank you too`
`23:44.06`	`Simkin`	`np pierreth`
`23:44.16`	`Simkin`	`how abotu a decent gtk one then?`
`23:44.51`	`_Atomo64_`	`Simkin: AFAIK, no (besides apollon, as mentioned by Renze; but personally I don't like giFT-based clients); but Shareaza runs just fine under wine`
`23:45.09`	`Simkin`	`is shareaza good?`
`23:45.41`	`unity`	`Simkin: gtk-gnutella`
`23:45.49`	`Simkin`	`this is for my gf to use`
`23:45.52`	`Simkin`	`gtk-gnutella will not cut it`
`23:45.57`	`Simkin`	`unless it's far better than it used to be`
`23:46.11`	`unity`	`lol "gtk-gnutella is not good enough for my gf"`
`23:46.44`	`_Atomo64_`	`Simkin: Shareaza is excellent :P ed2k, gnutella, gnutella2, bittorrent; and it is open source and works fine without the need of any microsoft products`
`23:46.52`	`_Atomo64_`	`*s/products/product`
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`23:50.13`	`Simkin`	`man`
`23:50.23`	`Simkin`	`i need like another 5 tb of disk space lol`
`23:50.35`	`unity`	`for what?`
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`23:50.45`	`Simkin`	`each hour of tape from the camcorder takes up 8gb of space`
`23:50.49`	`Renze`	`Simkin: cut back on the pr0n, dude`
`23:51.07`	`Simkin`	`hahah`
`23:51.10`	`unity`	`you can get that much for around 25 cents per gig`
`23:51.35`	`unity`	`Simkin: don't you ever discard any content? or you don't you get tired of holding up that camcorder?`
`23:51.46`	`Simkin`	`well it's not just me, my sister uses it to`
`23:51.46`	`pierreth`	`I have a local copy of the website but why is the file so small?`
`23:51.59`	`Simkin`	`and i need it all online cause i'm making a compilation for my sister (my two nephews)`
`23:52.01`	`Renze`	`Simkin: you could transcode it to something that takes less space`
`23:52.05`	`Simkin`	`and another for all my animals`
`23:52.41`	`Simkin`	`Renze: i thought about that, i keep all the tapes so if i need higher quality i can always get it`
`23:53.04`	`qupada`	`Simkin: what format is that?`
`23:53.05`	`Simkin`	`but transcoding it all would not be a swift task either`
`23:53.11`	`Simkin`	`"dv"`
`23:53.47`	`qupada`	`Simkin: hmmm, that's just a lower bitrate than i'm used to saying`
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`23:54.21`	`qupada`	`last few cameras i've used the bitrate was 3.4MB/s of video and 1536kbps audio, comes to about 12.6GB/h`
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`23:55.02`	`Simkin`	`qupada: not sure why mine would be different... i use IMovie HD (mac) to rip them from the tapes`
`23:55.06`	`Simkin`	`maybe it adds some compression?`
`23:57.13`	`qupada`	`Simkin: i'm really not sure`
`23:57.33`	`pierreth`	`Simkin: Yes, but it is only 15k`
`23:57.43`	`qupada`	`unless your video was recorded in 30fps telecine on ntsc and imovie inverse telecined it to 24fps`
`23:57.57`	`pinotree`	`cough topic cough`
`23:58.01`	`qupada`	`doesn't quite explain the difference in size, but comes close`
`23:58.03`	`pierreth`	`Simkin: And it was no fast`
`23:58.16`	`pierreth`	`but, it seems to work`
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