| 00:00.23 | Kuko | lol |
| 00:00.26 | Dr_willis | I want supersized icons that dont always have to be the same size! :) Amiga had that. bigger the image file - the bigger the icon. |
| 00:00.44 | canllaith | Renze: but what about the oh so attractive vistaish themes that come iwth beryl that have bright blue drop shadows?! |
| 00:00.44 | Renze | Dr_willis: imagine doing that with svg icons |
| 00:00.47 | canllaith | Aren't they just so trendy! |
| 00:00.58 | Renze | canllaith: I don't use those either :P |
| 00:01.07 | canllaith | :P Do you still have weird colour schemes? |
| 00:01.16 | Renze | weird? me? |
| 00:01.18 | Kuko | me too |
| 00:01.28 | Kuko | i wanna see someones decent version of beryl / kde |
| 00:01.33 | Kuko | mine looks like shit with orr without it |
| 00:01.34 | Kuko | >_> |
| 00:01.46 | Kuko | that & xterm hates beryl |
| 00:02.16 | Renze | canllaith: minimal -> http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot147bn.jpg |
| 00:02.34 | vbgunz | I am having a very wierd filtering issue with kmail. if I filter all messages in the inbox (trying to get those that should stay in the inbox) all works fine and dandy. *if* I place all of those messages in another folder and run the same filter (to send those to the inbox that belong there), all go except for two of them... I am pulling my hair out :| |
| 00:02.41 | Kuko | ohh dude |
| 00:02.42 | Kuko | >< |
| 00:02.53 | Kuko | Bastich! thats what i wanted my desktop to look like |
| 00:02.54 | Kuko | grrrr |
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| 00:03.21 | stoned | hi hi hi hi |
| 00:03.29 | Kuko | I want a nice clean desktop but i dont overly care for using stuff like openbox |
| 00:03.30 | Renze | 'lo stoned |
| 00:03.30 | Kuko | lol |
| 00:03.31 | stoned | Renze, canllaith whats goin on |
| 00:03.41 | Kuko | Renze: help meh! ^_^ |
| 00:03.42 | stoned | hey Kuko |
| 00:03.46 | Kuko | sup stoned |
| 00:03.48 | stoned | hey |
| 00:03.48 | Kuko | :) |
| 00:03.48 | Renze | Kuko: I have a nice clean desktop in KDE :P |
| 00:03.53 | Kuko | i know |
| 00:03.53 | stoned | I got a very very nice and very very clena desktop |
| 00:03.56 | Kuko | Thus why i want help making it |
| 00:04.00 | Kuko | making it that way* |
| 00:04.02 | canllaith | Renze: wow. YOu got some taste :) |
| 00:04.02 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/desktop.jpg |
| 00:04.04 | canllaith | You* |
| 00:04.06 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg |
| 00:04.07 | Kuko | But i will brb. time for me to eat |
| 00:04.07 | Renze | Kuko: everything you need is in kcontrol :D |
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| 00:04.18 | stoned | Kuko, my desktop is so clean I have no taskbars! |
| 00:04.26 | stoned | no ugly taskbars! |
| 00:04.29 | Shirakawasuna | we exchanging desktops? ;) |
| 00:04.32 | stoned | only sidepanel and pager |
| 00:04.32 | Renze | stoned: neither do I |
| 00:04.37 | stoned | me too |
| 00:04.39 | stoned | Renze, post |
| 00:04.39 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot147bn.jpg |
| 00:05.03 | stoned | beautiful |
| 00:05.05 | Shirakawasuna | smooth |
| 00:05.10 | stoned | Renze, nice |
| 00:05.11 | Shirakawasuna | do you hide your taskbar or use something else? |
| 00:05.15 | stoned | no |
| 00:05.20 | Renze | I hide it, but don't use it |
| 00:05.27 | Renze | I keep it for the system tray |
| 00:05.30 | stoned | I have right click kmenu and left click window list |
| 00:05.32 | stoned | on desktop |
| 00:05.40 | stoned | i hate taskbars witha passion |
| 00:05.54 | stoned | I have a shortcut side panel with systray |
| 00:06.40 | Dr_willis | heh - we need pop out drawers like OS-9 had. |
| 00:08.07 | Dr_willis | I must be weird.. i tend to use the standard kde layout with just a few differnet icons on the panel. |
| 00:09.10 | Shirakawasuna | Mine kinda steals from others': http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot6lr.png |
| 00:09.46 | Renze | wow... noisy wallpaper ;) |
| 00:09.53 | Shirakawasuna | not noisy :) |
| 00:09.54 | Shirakawasuna | pretty |
| 00:10.00 | Shirakawasuna | everyone likes a mind blossom |
| 00:10.10 | Renze | I don't use the blur effect... the open source r300 driver does that in software ;) |
| 00:10.23 | canllaith | http://www.ac.nz/~jes/Screenshots/kde.png |
| 00:10.47 | canllaith | That's quite pretty Shirakawasuna |
| 00:11.13 | Shirakawasuna | canllaith: no yakuake? |
| 00:11.18 | canllaith | I like konsole. |
| 00:11.25 | Renze | canllaith: nice and clean |
| 00:11.47 | canllaith | Renze: it's not far off kubuntu defaults really, just blue instead of purple and oxygen icons (I like to svn up in them and make a theme tarball every week or so to see what the guys are up to :) |
| 00:12.03 | Renze | mmmmm... oxygen... |
| 00:12.03 | Shirakawasuna | I only use konsole for my vnc session on another computer (F12 opens both the local and remote yakuakes ;) ) |
| 00:12.16 | Shirakawasuna | oxygen looks pretty sweet |
| 00:12.35 | Shirakawasuna | I got sick of crystal and went for tango |
| 00:12.48 | canllaith | The wallpaper *is* very busy, but it's one of my photographs: http://flickr.com/photos/canllaith/288899997/in/set-1554042/ |
| 00:13.34 | Renze | I use a tulip because I'm a dutchman ;) |
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| 00:14.00 | canllaith | I should photograph you some tulips at the botanical gardens :P |
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| 00:14.16 | Renze | ...and because I've become a fan of good macro photography |
| 00:14.25 | Shirakawasuna | can't go wrong with abstract mac backgrounds :) |
| 00:14.29 | Renze | the background being out of focus makes it less busy |
| 00:14.42 | canllaith | Renze: you should checkout the rest of my photostream then |
| 00:14.51 | Renze | canllaith: I will |
| 00:15.15 | canllaith | Macro photography is a great way of just cutting out of the picture everything you don't want. Love my 20D, want to get some even better lenses for it. |
| 00:15.27 | Renze | I have yet to get a camera |
| 00:15.51 | canllaith | oh, and before you get a fright looking at the pics I'm very blonde now. I think I was a redhead when we met :) |
| 00:16.14 | Renze | I did notice the changing colour |
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| 00:16.43 | canllaith | I get bored with it too easily. |
| 00:17.00 | canllaith | Ok, off to the museum to check out the egyptian exhibit and grab some lunch. |
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| 00:17.44 | facenew | OT: a 30-min movie mocking kim jong il and his secret agent buying something from china: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685 |
| 00:18.14 | Jucato | hi canllaith!! |
| 00:18.23 | Jucato | oooh egyptian exhibit |
| 00:19.33 | canllaith | Jucato: http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/egypt/ |
| 00:19.44 | Jucato | have fun! |
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| 00:32.10 | vbgunz | at first glance I thought it would be trying kmail because it can import so many formats and it looked like it had a nice filter. so far, its really a nightmare :( if I manually apply a filter with a regex my regex matches and all works fine. if I negate the regex all hell breaks loose and it just doesn't work... wow, no joke, this is depressing :( |
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| 00:41.53 | Kuko | Renze: could you help me make my desktop plz |
| 00:41.57 | Kuko | Could i pm actually |
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| 00:42.13 | Renze | Kuko: a desktop is a personal thing ;) |
| 00:42.24 | Kuko | Can i pm though? |
| 00:42.25 | Kuko | Plz? |
| 00:42.32 | Renze | oh, I suppose so... |
| 00:42.50 | hydrogen | vbgunz: just go with procmail :) |
| 00:43.48 | Sakui | how can I get kde to use esd instead of arts in kde-3.5.5? |
| 00:44.17 | vbgunz | hydrogen: I am absolutely convinced kmail regex is broken or I am doing them wrong *but* I doubt it as the regex works super fine *but* if and only if I negate the regex, the filter just won't work anymore |
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| 01:20.36 | Jucato | havoc pennington? |
| 01:21.06 | Renze | no, just havoc |
| 01:21.39 | FrancescoUP | I simply want to run a script in loop , how to ? |
| 01:22.17 | Kyral | while true |
| 01:22.25 | Kyral | (In bash) |
| 01:22.38 | Kyral | Basically you need an infinite loop |
| 01:22.58 | Kyral | before I learned "while true" I did "while ( 1 == 1 )" (this was in C) |
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| 01:24.53 | FrancescoUP | so |
| 01:25.00 | FrancescoUP | I do it in bash |
| 01:25.10 | FrancescoUP | or I do a "do while" in C |
| 01:25.18 | TomasuAway | I'm getting a permission denied from media:/ and I'm not sure how to fix it :( |
| 01:25.47 | Renze | TomasuAway: user in the plugdev group? |
| 01:25.56 | Kyral | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.05 | TomasuAway | well, it actually was working not long ago... but I'll check |
| 01:26.15 | Kyral | or while [ 1 -eq 1 ] |
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| 01:26.27 | Kyral | just generate a condition thats always true |
| 01:26.33 | TomasuAway | yup. Im in the plugdev group |
| 01:26.51 | FrancescoUP | well,I aint a script guru |
| 01:27.05 | FrancescoUP | u can pm me the complete procedure |
| 01:27.14 | FrancescoUP | I just want to rm ././*.part |
| 01:27.19 | Kyral | .... |
| 01:27.27 | Kyral | FrancescoUP: You said you need an infinite loop |
| 01:27.30 | Kyral | I didn't see anything else |
| 01:27.32 | FrancescoUP | yes |
| 01:27.40 | FrancescoUP | give me the complete script in private |
| 01:27.43 | FrancescoUP | just paste itr |
| 01:27.45 | Kyral | ..../ |
| 01:27.53 | Kyral | You know anything about Shell Scripting? |
| 01:28.01 | FrancescoUP | I know basics |
| 01:28.04 | FrancescoUP | I dont go far |
| 01:28.18 | mandraks | anybody know where to allow xdmcp in kde? |
| 01:28.35 | FrancescoUP | plus it would bne easier for me to write C while loop to do this one by running a system("rm ././*part") call in the loop |
| 01:28.40 | FrancescoUP | but I want to do it in a script |
| 01:28.40 | TomasuAway | Renze: anything else might cause media:/ to fail like that? |
| 01:28.41 | Renze | mandraks: manually edit the kdmrc file |
| 01:28.51 | FrancescoUP | since u know it well,plz gpaste it in pvt |
| 01:28.52 | Renze | TomasuAway: can't think of anything else |
| 01:28.54 | Kyral | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html |
| 01:28.58 | TomasuAway | its really odd |
| 01:29.08 | Kyral | The best way to help someone is to show them how, not do it for them :D |
| 01:29.24 | FrancescoUP | not always though, |
| 01:29.27 | Kyral | And I'm on my way out anyway |
| 01:29.27 | mandraks | tahnks renze |
| 01:29.29 | FrancescoUP | thanks anyway |
| 01:29.35 | mandraks | jsut forgot the name |
| 01:29.41 | Renze | no problem |
| 01:30.00 | Kyral | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/loops1.html |
| 01:32.08 | vbgunz | I used to use revelation to store my passwords. Is there any easy way to get all that stuff into kwalletmanager? |
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| 01:34.18 | dob1 | hi |
| 01:34.53 | dob1 | i don't use kdm/xdm/gdm, but it is possible to have a button on kde that shutdown/reboot the pc ? |
| 01:34.55 | FrancescoUP | lol,I just did it in C,it works perfect, damn scripting is harder than C,wow |
| 01:35.02 | Renze | not without kdm |
| 01:35.04 | FrancescoUP | thank you kyral |
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| 01:35.09 | Renze | unless you make one yourself |
| 01:35.50 | dob1 | ok i can shutdown kde and then go to runlevel 0 or 6, but what is the command to shutdown kde? |
| 01:36.04 | dob1 | to close kde |
| 01:36.28 | Renze | I so rarely close KDE... I'm not sure |
| 01:36.48 | dob1 | not a killall -9 kdeinit :) |
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| 01:40.06 | dob1 | ok i found it dcop --user user ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0, seems to work :) |
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| 01:53.11 | dob1 | bye |
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| 01:54.06 | hagabaka | libpoppler is such a weird name for a PDF rendering library |
| 01:54.16 | archangelpetro | woohoo :D |
| 01:54.22 | archangelpetro | :/ |
| 01:54.29 | Dr_willis | poppler = name of that alien-food-snack in Futurerama |
| 01:54.33 | Dr_willis | i think |
| 01:54.34 | Dr_willis | heh |
| 01:54.35 | archangelpetro | morning/evening/afternoon/timeofday all |
| 01:54.45 | Jucato | hi archangelpetro |
| 01:54.48 | Jucato | brb.. breakfast... |
| 01:54.52 | Jucato | or rather, snacks :) |
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| 02:04.42 | nondysjunction | hello. |
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| 02:06.07 | nondysjunction | I don't have keyboard layouts in my kcontrol, and I am using modular kde (gentoo). Any idea how I might be able to gain access to keyboard layouts? I'm just not sure what part of the modular instlal I need. |
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| 02:29.36 | Trent | How do I install KDE headers, or find out what directory they are in? I am trying to install an addon to kde (kxdocker) and I got this error: "checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!" |
| 02:29.49 | Renze | distro? |
| 02:29.54 | Trent | Renze, Fedora =S |
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| 02:30.14 | DaSkreech | Hello everyone |
| 02:30.47 | Renze | Trent: all I know is the packages are called something-devel |
| 02:31.23 | Trent | Renze, When asking in #fedora channel, would that be the right question to ask? "What is the package name for the kde headers?" |
| 02:31.38 | Renze | Trent: I would guess so |
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| 02:33.15 | Jucato | in Debian, they'd be -dev |
| 02:33.36 | DaSkreech | Hi Jucato |
| 02:33.42 | Jucato | hi DaSkreech |
| 02:34.02 | DaSkreech | Wouldn't happen to do audio editing in between Git sessions? |
| 02:34.18 | Jucato | er...? |
| 02:34.52 | Renze | gowan now... git! |
| 02:34.58 | Renze | </redneck> |
| 02:36.01 | DaSkreech | I have some audio files that have a repeating fuzz sound in the background I'm trying to clean up and was looking for a good app to start on |
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| 02:36.40 | mattjeet | hey guys, with konq on 3.5.5 is there any way to tell it to *always* report it's safari (or another browser) vs doing it site by site? |
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| 02:37.42 | DaSkreech | I guess you could just *.com *. net *.org |
| 02:38.10 | mattjeet | k, is that generally a bad idea? |
| 02:38.13 | mattjeet | lol |
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| 02:41.26 | DaSkreech | I don't know it will work :) |
| 02:41.51 | pattern | i'm trying to find a kde app that can read exr files (generated by openexr)... any image viewer that uses the kimgio plugin (in kdelibs) should be able to do it, according to this: http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.kde.devel/msg/4987ad286f1e2a7d |
| 02:42.10 | pattern | does anyone know of such an image viewer? |
| 02:44.26 | Jucato | hm... |
| 02:48.09 | DaSkreech | Anyone does audio editing in here? |
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| 02:58.27 | vbgunz | in regex, in kmail, how do you match the beginning of a string? I am trying to use ^ but that doesn't seem to do it. Also, how do you group items and then select only the first that matches? I am trying (item1|item2) but this don't work with ^. Also how do you suffix a group? Cause I am trying (item1|item2)@suffix but this don't work. ... I spent most of my day trying my heart out to get this to work and I feel it is boiling down to a wast |
| 02:59.25 | DaSkreech | oggb4mp3: little help :) |
| 03:01.42 | oggb4mp3 | with what? |
| 03:02.28 | DaSkreech | Well I want to FLAC some stuff but I think I can handle that |
| 03:03.03 | DaSkreech | really what I want to do is clean up some background noise in a talk. What Audio app shoudl I be looking at? |
| 03:04.01 | oggb4mp3 | well, audacity probably could do that |
| 03:04.06 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 03:04.10 | oggb4mp3 | iirc, there is a noise removal plugin |
| 03:04.48 | oggb4mp3 | there is also a windows app that works great under wine called waverepair that does an excellent job with that sort of thing |
| 03:05.24 | DaSkreech | I'm kinda new to audio stuff. How hard is it to separate out the background fuzz? |
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| 03:07.52 | oggb4mp3 | not too |
| 03:08.09 | oggb4mp3 | basically, you have to take a fingerprint of the noise |
| 03:08.16 | oggb4mp3 | then subtract that from the whole wav |
| 03:08.37 | oggb4mp3 | you can usually find a place with just the background noise |
| 03:08.49 | oggb4mp3 | audacity's plugin walks you through it iirc |
| 03:12.11 | DaSkreech | :-) |
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| 03:26.44 | archangelpetro | ooo caracha |
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| 03:35.32 | stelt | any plans for super easy m-videocard n-monitor support? and add metavnc and synergy to that please |
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| 03:40.07 | hacosta__ | synergy works great here |
| 03:40.23 | Sakui | how can I get kde to use "esd" instead of "arts" in kde-3.5.5? |
| 03:41.15 | hacosta__ | kcontrol |
| 03:41.19 | hacosta__ | sound and multimedia |
| 03:41.27 | hacosta__ | sound system |
| 03:41.32 | hacosta__ | hardware |
| 03:41.39 | hacosta__ | (: |
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| 03:43.23 | Sakui | hacosta__: all I have is the audio device is "Autodetect" |
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| 03:45.01 | hacosta__ | what distro> |
| 03:45.17 | Sakui | gentoo |
| 03:46.11 | hacosta__ | perhaps you need the esd use flag |
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| 03:55.09 | Jaus | Hi, I am using fedora 6 with the latest KDE, but, where is my HOUSE icon, TRASH icon, and SYSTEM icon? |
| 03:55.52 | Jaus | any idea? |
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| 03:56.59 | DaSkreech | Sounds like a question for #yourdistro |
| 03:57.15 | Jaus | DaSkreech: anyway, how to put these icons? |
| 03:57.39 | DaSkreech | Make a launcher but again It's a much better question for #fedora |
| 03:57.55 | Jaus | okey thanks |
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| 04:01.59 | Jaus | What it the way to create a HOME icon? |
| 04:02.18 | Jaus | and trash icon? |
| 04:02.45 | DaSkreech | Supplied by Fedora. No idea where they keep them |
| 04:03.09 | Jaus | :( |
| 04:03.22 | Jaus | DaSkreech: it is install on some package? |
| 04:03.32 | Jaus | like kde-core or something like this? |
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| 04:04.09 | Jucato | Jaus: not really. default KDE doesn't put icons on the desktop except for Trash I think |
| 04:04.24 | Jucato | Jaus: it's all up to the distro to customize the desktop |
| 04:04.25 | DaSkreech | And I'm Pretty sure it's not the Fedora trash |
| 04:04.33 | DaSkreech | ..icon :) |
| 04:04.45 | Jaus | well thanks |
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| 04:24.50 | hagabaka | is it possible to define a shortcut key in Konsole, so that when i press it, it will send a sequence of keystrokes to the session? |
| 04:25.14 | Renze | hagabaka: kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> input actions |
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| 04:26.56 | hagabaka | thanks |
| 04:28.18 | Renze | no problem |
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| 04:32.14 | eternalswd | anyone know of any tutorials for creating styles for kde? |
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| 04:34.22 | Jucato | eternalswd: hm.. not really. it requires some programming knowledge |
| 04:35.29 | eternalswd | yeah, I'm looking through a sample cpp file right now, but was wondering if there was a centralized location for looking up what the code does. |
| 04:36.17 | Jucato | but based on my previous Google'ing... there aren't much tutorials/guides for creating styles |
| 04:37.33 | eternalswd | yeah, that's why I stopped by here. best hit I got was an article from KDE 1.0 days |
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| 04:38.20 | Jucato | yeah... not so much docs about it... |
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| 04:47.12 | canllaith | *blink* golly |
| 04:47.13 | canllaith | a dist-upgrade to fiesty actually worked |
| 04:47.15 | canllaith | feisty* |
| 04:47.34 | qupada | heh, oh golly golly gosh |
| 04:47.51 | canllaith | I expected to completely trash it and have to reinstall =) |
| 04:47.58 | aimee | hey, anyone out there encountered the error : "Could not start kde init, check your installation" before? |
| 04:48.10 | aimee | :'( |
| 04:51.25 | DaSkreech | canllaith: *glee* |
| 04:53.56 | DaSkreech | How are you :) |
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| 04:58.12 | aimee | No one know? sadly:'( |
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| 05:00.12 | DaSkreech | aimee: where? |
| 05:00.27 | aimee | thank daskreech |
| 05:00.34 | DaSkreech | ... |
| 05:00.37 | DaSkreech | Umm |
| 05:00.40 | aimee | I've got this message when I try to start kde |
| 05:00.40 | DaSkreech | Welcome? |
| 05:00.49 | DaSkreech | ok |
| 05:00.57 | aimee | I just updated kde from version 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 |
| 05:00.59 | DaSkreech | X works? |
| 05:01.02 | DaSkreech | How? |
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| 05:01.05 | aimee | yeah, X work |
| 05:01.16 | aimee | updated via package manager |
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| 05:01.26 | DaSkreech | which? |
| 05:01.27 | aimee | I'm currently using Fedora core 6 |
| 05:01.31 | DaSkreech | ok |
| 05:01.42 | DaSkreech | and KDM works I'm guessinf? |
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| 05:01.44 | DaSkreech | Guessing? |
| 05:01.55 | aimee | no, kde won't work |
| 05:02.03 | aimee | sorry, didn't work |
| 05:02.08 | aimee | I'm using gnome |
| 05:02.14 | aimee | I don't know why |
| 05:03.07 | aimee | but it start with a error : "Could not start kde init, check your installation" |
| 05:03.07 | DaSkreech | Do you use KDM or GDM? |
| 05:03.07 | aimee | what is KDM? |
| 05:03.07 | DaSkreech | the login manager |
| 05:03.07 | aimee | sorry for lame question but I'm a new bie |
| 05:03.07 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.07 | aimee | yes |
| 05:03.15 | aimee | I'm using login manager |
| 05:03.18 | DaSkreech | ok |
| 05:03.29 | DaSkreech | Do you know if it is KDM or GDm? |
| 05:03.32 | DaSkreech | GDM? |
| 05:03.34 | aimee | no? |
| 05:03.37 | aimee | I don't know |
| 05:03.51 | aimee | how can I check if it is kdm or gdm? |
| 05:04.30 | DaSkreech | I actually don't know :) |
| 05:04.33 | DaSkreech | Hold on |
| 05:04.34 | madd_matt | GDM has options along the bottom usually, while kdm has menu nearer the password dialog (With default themes) |
| 05:04.52 | aimee | yeah, option along the bottom |
| 05:05.00 | DaSkreech | Ok GDM |
| 05:05.01 | aimee | include session, language... |
| 05:05.11 | madd_matt | Yeah, that sounds like gdm |
| 05:05.29 | aimee | anyway, I didn't install all package of kde 3.5.5 |
| 05:05.38 | aimee | just kdelib, kdebase and kdeadmin |
| 05:05.57 | DaSkreech | umm |
| 05:05.57 | DaSkreech | ok |
| 05:06.06 | DaSkreech | I guess you had a reason for that |
| 05:06.31 | aimee | what is the reason? |
| 05:07.12 | DaSkreech | That's what you should answer :) |
| 05:07.36 | DaSkreech | I guess you have a kdeinit script? |
| 05:07.36 | aimee | I don't understand |
| 05:07.44 | aimee | I don't know |
| 05:08.00 | DaSkreech | You purposely didn't install anything but those three packages? |
| 05:08.13 | aimee | no, I think I'll install more |
| 05:08.24 | aimee | if Kde work again |
| 05:09.30 | DaSkreech | Ah. Ok |
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| 05:09.38 | aimee | where can I find the kdeinit script |
| 05:10.12 | DaSkreech | type which kdeinit into a terminal |
| 05:10.50 | aimee | /usr/bin/kdeinit |
| 05:11.48 | aimee | then? |
| 05:12.08 | Schalken | is there a way to make kde not ask you whether you want to move, copy or link when dragging a file? its generally accepted that when dragging between local drives it moves, between remote ones it copies, and to/from a browser it links. |
| 05:12.42 | DaSkreech | aimee: try run it outside of X to see if it throws errors I think |
| 05:12.58 | DaSkreech | Schalken: It has hot keys |
| 05:13.05 | aimee | okay, but I must log out of x? |
| 05:13.05 | DaSkreech | Ctrl Drag copies etc |
| 05:13.24 | aimee | and If I could see you again? |
| 05:13.46 | DaSkreech | aimee: well I've never tried to run KDE from inside of Gnome. No idea what the reaction would be |
| 05:13.59 | DaSkreech | aimee: do you have irssi ? |
| 05:14.07 | aimee | what is irssi? |
| 05:14.57 | DaSkreech | It's a command line irc client |
| 05:15.00 | Schalken | DaSkreech: cant it just do the one automatically depending on the situation, like in gnome/win/mac? |
| 05:15.13 | DaSkreech | I can show you how to use it if you have it installed |
| 05:15.14 | aimee | no, I don't think I have |
| 05:15.42 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 05:15.49 | aimee | but I can install it now |
| 05:16.00 | DaSkreech | Oh Ok Do that then :) |
| 05:16.05 | DaSkreech | I'll show you some stuff |
| 05:16.27 | aimee | then restart computer with init default = 3? |
| 05:16.48 | aimee | and I just wonder how long will you stay there? |
| 05:16.59 | DaSkreech | oggb4mp3: It's a very Gnome App |
| 05:17.02 | aimee | because if you're gonna leave |
| 05:17.11 | DaSkreech | not sure |
| 05:17.16 | DaSkreech | Well do you know about terminals? |
| 05:17.29 | aimee | a bit, I think |
| 05:17.49 | oggb4mp3 | DaSkreech: sure, but it works, and there is no KDE alternative atm |
| 05:18.00 | DaSkreech | :) |
| 05:18.16 | DaSkreech | aimee: Ok before you do this listen a bit |
| 05:18.28 | aimee | yes, sir |
| 05:18.31 | DaSkreech | If you press Alt+Ctrl+F1 it will jump to a terminal where you can login |
| 05:18.43 | DaSkreech | the same with Alt+ctrl+F2 F3 F4 Etc |
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| 05:19.03 | DaSkreech | If you do that and then press Alt+Ctrl+F7 you get back to Gnome/KDE/E |
| 05:19.14 | DaSkreech | So you can try it if you like |
| 05:19.39 | aimee | thanks, but I just wana log in in kde again |
| 05:19.54 | DaSkreech | Yeah but this way you can kill X and still stay here to get advice |
| 05:19.58 | aimee | okay, Irssi installed |
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| 05:20.13 | DaSkreech | If you go to say Alt+Ctrl+F2 and start irssi you can login here |
| 05:20.23 | DaSkreech | irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 05:20.29 | DaSkreech | then /j #kde |
| 05:20.33 | mcrandello | does kde still require a plugin to use win32 executable's native icons? |
| 05:20.38 | aimee | yeah, I will do it now |
| 05:20.40 | DaSkreech | Ok |
| 05:20.41 | aimee | wait a bit |
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| 05:21.13 | mcrandello | 3.5.5 |
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| 05:21.52 | root___ | hey, I'm back again |
| 05:22.18 | root___ | DaSkreech! this is Aimee |
| 05:22.28 | root___ | but I can't change my display name |
| 05:22.40 | DaSkreech | try /nick <newnick> |
| 05:22.47 | root___ | okay I'll do |
| 05:23.04 | Aimme | thanks, it worked |
| 05:23.20 | Aimme | now, what will i do? |
| 05:23.22 | DaSkreech | This is from gnome or terminal 2? |
| 05:23.29 | Aimme | terminal |
| 05:24.03 | Aimme | you said I must run kdeinit? |
| 05:24.14 | DaSkreech | ok if you jump to terminal one you can stop X with the command init 3 |
| 05:24.28 | DaSkreech | In a new terminal. First kill X |
| 05:24.30 | Aimme | okay, I'll do it |
| 05:24.33 | Aimme | init 3 |
| 05:24.55 | Aimme | hey, what will I do to log out of irssi? |
| 05:25.28 | DaSkreech | a /quit should work when you are ready |
| 05:25.33 | Aimme | but how to start a new terminal? |
| 05:25.43 | DaSkreech | alt+ctrl+F1 |
| 05:25.47 | DaSkreech | and login |
| 05:25.54 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.19 | Aimme | ya, I did it |
| 05:26.34 | Aimme | but when I typed init 3 it start something |
| 05:26.38 | DaSkreech | stopped X nd ran KDeinit? |
| 05:26.49 | DaSkreech | Yeah it will do that :) |
| 05:27.00 | DaSkreech | when it's done just try run kdeinit |
| 05:27.12 | DaSkreech | canllaith: How's feisty? |
| 05:27.25 | Aimme | but it froze at sending process TERM signal |
| 05:27.33 | Aimme | then didn't run anymore |
| 05:28.08 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 05:28.26 | Aimee | okay, I think X has been stoped |
| 05:28.32 | DaSkreech | Didn't run anymore as in went back to the prompt? |
| 05:28.53 | Aimee | the 2nd terminal went back again |
| 05:29.06 | Aimee | yes, it went back to the prompt |
| 05:29.19 | Aimee | is that mean X has been stoped? |
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| 05:29.42 | DaSkreech | Yes |
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| 05:29.45 | canllaith | DaSkreech: Not as bad as edgy. |
| 05:29.56 | DaSkreech | canllaith: Edgy was rough for you? |
| 05:30.08 | DaSkreech | Aimee: try kdeinit :) |
| 05:30.14 | Aimee | okay, I'll do it |
| 05:31.08 | Aimee | this is the message :kdeinit : Aborting, $DISPLAY is not set |
| 05:31.51 | DaSkreech | Ah |
| 05:31.58 | DaSkreech | echo $DISPLAY |
| 05:32.01 | Aimee | okay |
| 05:32.04 | DaSkreech | tell me if it returns something |
| 05:32.18 | Aimee | nothing printed |
| 05:32.30 | Aimee | no, it didn't return anything |
| 05:32.46 | DaSkreech | That would be the problem them |
| 05:33.11 | DaSkreech | try something like DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 05:33.17 | Schalken | does anyone have google earth? |
| 05:33.18 | DaSkreech | then run kdeinit again |
| 05:33.36 | Aimee | okay, but |
| 05:33.43 | Aimee | what is this command? |
| 05:34.17 | DaSkreech | DISPLAY=:0 ? |
| 05:34.35 | Aimee | export $DISPLAY=0? |
| 05:34.39 | Aimee | is it true? |
| 05:35.35 | Aimee | okay, I it has been setted |
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| 05:36.32 | Aimee | but when I tried to start kdeinit, this message showed up again |
| 05:36.51 | Aimee | kdeinit : Aborting, $DISPLAY is not set |
| 05:37.21 | DaSkreech | what does echo $DISPLAY say now? |
| 05:37.36 | Aimee | :0 |
| 05:37.41 | Aimee | actually you said it |
| 05:38.20 | DaSkreech | strange |
| 05:39.28 | Aimee | are you a developer? |
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| 05:41.19 | Aimee | hey, DaSkreech, are you there? |
| 05:41.33 | DaSkreech | Oh Sorry. No I'm not :) |
| 05:41.45 | DaSkreech | Just logged in here to say hi to annma and canllaith |
| 05:42.38 | Aimee | that's mean you can't help me anymore? |
| 05:42.46 | DaSkreech | wonder why your DISPLAY isn't set. |
| 05:42.46 | Aimee | oh, I'm so desperate |
| 05:43.12 | DaSkreech | grep DISPLAY ${which kdeinit} |
| 05:43.22 | DaSkreech | Does that return anything |
| 05:43.50 | DaSkreech | wait |
| 05:44.01 | DaSkreech | grep DISPLAY $(which kdeinit) |
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| 05:44.38 | dmead | anyone alive thats good with dcop/kde stuff? |
| 05:44.56 | Aimee | it said binary file /usr/bin/kdeinit matched |
| 05:46.35 | dmead | allo? |
| 05:46.37 | dmead | poke poke |
| 05:46.45 | Aimee | what does it mean? DaSkreech? |
| 05:47.11 | DaSkreech | Hmm not quite what I thought :) |
| 05:47.15 | DaSkreech | Gimmie a second |
| 05:50.46 | DaSkreech | what does echo $displaynum return ? |
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| 05:52.07 | Aimee | DaSkreech, it returned nothing |
| 05:52.16 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 05:52.24 | DaSkreech | none of your stuff is getting set |
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| 05:52.41 | DaSkreech | what happens when you type startx |
| 05:52.53 | Aimee | okay, I'll try it |
| 05:53.37 | Aimee | when I typed startx, I went back in gnome |
| 05:54.04 | DaSkreech | ok |
| 05:54.18 | DaSkreech | so Gnome is setting a display |
| 05:54.41 | DaSkreech | press Alt+Ctrl+F7 open a terminal and type echo $DISPLAY |
| 05:56.29 | Aimee | it returned nothing |
| 05:56.46 | DaSkreech | 0_O |
| 05:57.03 | DaSkreech | Hmm |
| 05:57.31 | Mez | what have i done now ? |
| 05:57.38 | DaSkreech | Jucato: Any help? |
| 05:57.53 | Jucato | huh? huh? |
| 05:58.17 | DaSkreech | Jucato: Aimee has a Display error in kdeinit |
| 05:58.27 | Jucato | oh... um... |
| 05:58.33 | DaSkreech | I'm kind of a ta loss as to why $DISPLAY is null |
| 06:00.15 | Jucato | $DISPLAY is not set by default afaik |
| 06:00.21 | DaSkreech | KDE shouldn't start if $DISPLAY is null righ? |
| 06:01.10 | Jucato | or :0 is the default, not absolutely sure |
| 06:01.15 | Jucato | gonna read the backlog |
| 06:01.54 | Jucato | ~root |
| 06:01.55 | apt | methinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 06:02.04 | Jucato | er.. bah |
| 06:02.47 | Jucato | Aimee: it's "export DISPLAY=:0" not "export $DISPLAY=0" |
| 06:03.13 | Aimee | I did it and kde didn't start |
| 06:03.22 | DaSkreech | With the : ? |
| 06:03.28 | Jucato | Aimee: the correct command? |
| 06:03.35 | Aimee | I tried with the : , |
| 06:03.52 | Aimee | the command actually used is DISPLAY=:0 |
| 06:04.09 | Jucato | Aimee: enter this command first: unset DISPLAY |
| 06:04.16 | Aimee | okay |
| 06:04.20 | Jucato | Aimee: then: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 06:04.28 | Jucato | don't forget the "export" |
| 06:04.38 | Aimee | okay |
| 06:04.38 | Jucato | canllaith: do you use system settings or kcontrol? |
| 06:04.49 | Jucato | Aimee: then try "startx" again |
| 06:05.27 | Aimee | but gnome is still running |
| 06:05.33 | Aimee | I can't startx again |
| 06:05.37 | Jucato | aah |
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| 06:05.52 | Jucato | hm.... so you mean GNOME can start, but not KDE? |
| 06:06.18 | Aimee | yeah, GNOME can start but not KDE |
| 06:06.52 | Jucato | weird... |
| 06:07.21 | Aimee | it happened after I updated kde from 3.5.4 to kde 3.5.5 |
| 06:07.29 | Aimee | updated via package manager |
| 06:07.30 | DaSkreech | He updated to KDE 3.5.5 with a few packages and it stopped working |
| 06:07.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Try running kbuildycoca |
| 06:07.38 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | kbuildsycoca* |
| 06:07.51 | Aimee | DaSkreech, not he, SHE is right |
| 06:07.54 | Jucato | Aimee: were you able to completely/fully upgrade to KDE 3.5.5? what distro btw? |
| 06:07.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | It rebuilds KDE's config |
| 06:08.01 | DaSkreech | Aimee: that was my first guess |
| 06:08.11 | Aimee | distro : Fedora core 6 |
| 06:08.18 | Aimee | I can fully update |
| 06:08.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aimee: Try running kbuildsycoca and see if that helps |
| 06:08.41 | Aimee | but fully update will take so long |
| 06:09.02 | Aimee | yes, I'll try Dark_Apostrophe |
| 06:09.10 | Jucato | Aimee: I meant, fully update KDE |
| 06:09.29 | Jucato | but I'm confused as to why it would behave this way... |
| 06:10.02 | dmead | any of you good with DCOP hacking? |
| 06:10.47 | Aimee | yes, fully update with my amazing slow connection will take probably hours |
| 06:12.24 | Aimee | Dark_Apostrophe, this command return almost half screen message |
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| 06:14.18 | DaSkreech | is gnome still running? |
| 06:14.36 | Aimee | yes, still running |
| 06:14.48 | DaSkreech | Guessing you may want to stop it |
| 06:14.56 | DaSkreech | logging out should stop it |
| 06:15.03 | Aimee | I don't even know how to stop it |
| 06:15.15 | DaSkreech | Just log out and it should die |
| 06:15.20 | DaSkreech | I think |
| 06:15.25 | Aimee | I logged out, but It didn't work |
| 06:15.49 | DaSkreech | I used to be... |
| 06:16.18 | DaSkreech | but... I guess DISPLAY not working Is the same anywhere |
| 06:17.06 | Jucato | if display wasn't working, X wouldn't be able to get up... but since GNOME is running already... |
| 06:17.13 | Jucato | I mean, since GNOME can run |
| 06:17.34 | DaSkreech | Yeah here's the funny thing Gnome has a Null $DISPLAY |
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| 06:20.26 | Aimee | anyway, thank you for helping me |
| 06:20.34 | Aimee | I'm gonna restart |
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| 06:20.42 | Aimee | see you later |
| 06:20.49 | Aimee | I mean in a minute |
| 06:20.58 | DaSkreech | Sure |
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| 06:25.26 | Aimee | hey, I'm back again |
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| 06:26.19 | Aimee | Jucato, do you think that I should fully update kde? |
| 06:26.33 | Jucato | Aimee: I really can't say... it's a distro I'm unfamiliar with... :( |
| 06:26.44 | stoned | what is your distro? |
| 06:26.53 | Aimee | Fedora core 6 |
| 06:26.58 | stoned | oh |
| 06:27.19 | stoned | fully update it I say |
| 06:27.24 | stoned | check in #fedora |
| 06:27.43 | Aimee | okay, I'll join this channel |
| 06:28.19 | stoned | just ask them if it is safe to update to latest kde in FC6 |
| 06:28.34 | stoned | it shouldn't be a problem, AFAIK FC is fairly stable |
| 06:28.35 | Aimee | thanks |
| 06:28.46 | stoned | YW |
| 06:29.30 | stoned | hey Renze you there |
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| 06:29.42 | stoned | Jucato, guess what I did with my newegg stuf |
| 06:29.50 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/oc.jpg |
| 06:30.07 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/stable.jpg |
| 06:30.08 | Aimee | stoned, this channel for registered user only |
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| 06:31.23 | stoned | now kde + transparency will finally be usable! |
| 06:31.24 | stoned | :D |
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| 06:31.31 | stoned | Aimee, !! |
| 06:31.33 | Jucato | hehe |
| 06:31.36 | stoned | ~root |
| 06:31.43 | apt | i heard root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 06:31.45 | Aimee | what's up Jucato? |
| 06:31.57 | Jucato | giving some help in #kubuntu.. |
| 06:32.00 | stoned | argh, that is an old factoid |
| 06:32.09 | stoned | Aimee, don't IRC as root |
| 06:32.21 | stoned | or I will hack you. |
| 06:32.23 | stoned | j/k |
| 06:32.31 | stoned | Don't. |
| 06:33.21 | Aimee | yes, I know, but I'm too lazy to create another account |
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| 06:34.02 | Renze | mmmmm... hacking... |
| 06:34.30 | Aimee | stoned? okay, hack me, I got a fully backup partition |
| 06:34.47 | Aimee | and dual to this problem last night |
| 06:34.55 | Aimee | I think I'm gonna use it |
| 06:34.55 | stoned | Aimee, how hard is it to type adduser aimee |
| 06:34.55 | stoned | ? |
| 06:35.36 | stoned | and then all you have to do is hit enter a few times and input your password twice |
| 06:35.37 | Aimee | no, but if use a another username, I'll alway have to type sudo, or su |
| 06:35.40 | stoned | its trivial |
| 06:35.40 | Aimee | I hate it |
| 06:35.56 | stoned | thats easy to setup |
| 06:36.03 | mcrandello | go in a konsole and use sudo -i for the duration |
| 06:36.12 | stoned | use visudo to enter your data |
| 06:36.29 | stoned | mcrandello, let her leave it for a default 15 minutes |
| 06:36.52 | stoned | after visudo, just make an alias in your .bashrc |
| 06:37.14 | stoned | alias search='sudo apt-cache search' |
| 06:37.17 | stoned | this is what I have |
| 06:37.22 | stoned | you can change it to rpm tools |
| 06:37.25 | Aimee | I don't understand |
| 06:37.28 | stoned | the point is, its secure this way |
| 06:37.32 | Aimee | I'm linux newbie |
| 06:37.32 | stoned | ok, then don't worry about it |
| 06:37.38 | stoned | all in good time |
| 06:37.48 | stoned | just know that security is a compromise between usability |
| 06:38.01 | stoned | you want security or you want usability? |
| 06:38.12 | Aimee | I think usability |
| 06:38.12 | stoned | thats for you to decide. I still say don't IRC as root |
| 06:38.44 | Renze | this is why people don't question the lack of security in Windows |
| 06:38.45 | Aimee | yes, when I used xchat with root account, it say "it is stupid to use irc as root" |
| 06:38.52 | stoned | Renze, exactly |
| 06:39.03 | stoned | it is very stupid |
| 06:39.04 | stoned | yes |
| 06:39.17 | Aimee | hey, renze, but windows, still have every thing |
| 06:39.17 | mcrandello | unless root just happens to be your normal nick |
| 06:39.26 | stoned | lol |
| 06:39.37 | stoned | ident == unix username |
| 06:39.37 | Renze | Aimee: yes, like viruses, spyware, malware, rootkits... |
| 06:39.38 | mcrandello | then it's like "hey, how'd they know?" |
| 06:39.49 | Aimee | if you are security paranoid, you could you firewall, antispy, antivirus |
| 06:39.50 | stoned | Aimee's ident == root |
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| 06:40.03 | Renze | Aimee: windows firewalls are a joke |
| 06:40.04 | Aimee | and I think it'll quite safe |
| 06:40.16 | Aimee | how do you know |
| 06:40.18 | Aimee | ? |
| 06:40.26 | stoned | Aimee, those things provide a false sense of security |
| 06:40.27 | Jucato | hi Renze |
| 06:40.31 | Renze | they're so easy to bypass |
| 06:40.41 | Renze | 'lo Jucato |
| 06:40.50 | stoned | Renze, did you see my massive overclock? |
| 06:40.56 | stoned | 1200Mhz overclock |
| 06:40.56 | Renze | stoned: yes |
| 06:41.02 | Aimee | I don't mean WIndows firewall in SP2, I mean another firewall, like zonealarm |
| 06:41.03 | mcrandello | at least join freenode, change your nick, *then* join channels :) |
| 06:41.08 | Renze | stoned: you so crazy ;) |
| 06:41.11 | stoned | :D |
| 06:41.20 | Renze | Aimee: I was referring to zonealarm too |
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| 06:41.33 | Aimee | hey, stoned, you're overclocker too? |
| 06:41.39 | stoned | yes I am |
| 06:41.43 | Aimee | I tried to overclock my machine |
| 06:41.52 | stoned | you shouldn't really do that. |
| 06:42.11 | Renze | a flat I used to live in had zonealarm on it's gateway... it was so easy to get around |
| 06:42.12 | Aimee | but only got over 450 mhz |
| 06:42.23 | Aimee | it AMD athlon 64 vernice 3000+ |
| 06:42.29 | stoned | I know what I'm doing. It doesn't sound like you know what you're doing. Don't OC without understand hardware or else you'll fry everything |
| 06:42.35 | stoned | with all due respect of course... |
| 06:42.47 | stoned | understanding* |
| 06:43.05 | stoned | well, you can't really fry stuff without overvolting |
| 06:43.07 | stoned | but anyway |
| 06:43.25 | Aimee | thanks, Renze, but I'm not a security paranoid |
| 06:43.28 | stoned | I've never used an AMD proc. |
| 06:43.31 | stoned | bline, lol |
| 06:43.33 | Renze | Aimee: neither am I |
| 06:43.51 | Renze | Aimee: but it is very easy to make mistakes with root that are unrecoverable |
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| 06:44.02 | stoned | Aimee, unrecoverable |
| 06:44.06 | stoned | dude thats not a word |
| 06:44.19 | stoned | is it? |
| 06:44.21 | Aimee | I am still using linux for discovery |
| 06:44.27 | Renze | I say it is a word, so therefore it is a word :D |
| 06:44.30 | Aimee | and I have a windows partition |
| 06:44.31 | stoned | "not recoverable* |
| 06:44.40 | stoned | lol |
| 06:44.43 | stoned | alright alright |
| 06:44.46 | stoned | have your say |
| 06:44.46 | Jucato | irrecoverable |
| 06:44.55 | Renze | obey your god |
| 06:44.56 | stoned | I was wondering that too |
| 06:45.02 | stoned | I am my god |
| 06:45.05 | stoned | I obey myself |
| 06:45.09 | stoned | I also obey the thirst! |
| 06:45.13 | stoned | sprite! dun dun dun! |
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| 06:45.31 | Renze | and lo, he was smitten |
| 06:45.38 | Aimee | anyway, it seem that I can't recover KDE, jucato |
| 06:45.40 | Renze | or is that smoten? |
| 06:46.02 | stoned | btw |
| 06:46.04 | Jucato | hm... |
| 06:46.14 | Aimee | so I gonna leave this room and use my backup |
| 06:46.17 | stoned | I can OC all the way to 3.4GHZ at 485FSB |
| 06:46.23 | stoned | times 7x mult. |
| 06:46.39 | stoned | but it restarts under stress testing after a while |
| 06:47.01 | Renze | Jucato: there will be a small mushroom cloud |
| 06:47.20 | Aimee | I've met one guy, he said his processors never survived for a year |
| 06:47.20 | Renze | Jucato: try to dodge the gamma rays |
| 06:47.38 | stoned | Jucato, I've got it clocked from 1.866 Ghz @ 1.32500v TO 3.000Ghz @ 1.2875v |
| 06:47.38 | Jucato | heh |
| 06:47.45 | stoned | I have UNDERvolted it and still OC it |
| 06:47.49 | stoned | its NOT gonna go up in flames |
| 06:47.50 | Jucato | that's not 7x yet |
| 06:48.20 | Aimee | bye Jucato |
| 06:48.31 | Aimee | and thank for help me |
| 06:48.32 | x_link | God morning guys |
| 06:48.34 | Aimee | I'm leaving |
| 06:48.34 | stoned | Aimee, met a guy |
| 06:48.36 | Jucato | Aimee: sorry I couldn't help more |
| 06:48.47 | Aimee | no, don't sorry, you tried your best |
| 06:48.48 | stoned | Aimee, you gonna get married soon? |
| 06:48.58 | Aimee | No, I'm just 19 |
| 06:49.01 | x_link | If I want to get the latest nVIDIA drivers, do I have to delete the ones I have right now and download the new ones? |
| 06:49.02 | stoned | have like 20 kids |
| 06:49.03 | stoned | :D |
| 06:49.10 | x_link | Or will apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade do that for me? |
| 06:49.10 | Aimee | I don't think I'll get married soon |
| 06:49.22 | stoned | where are you from |
| 06:49.24 | Renze | stoned: according to kdict, unrecoverable is a word :P |
| 06:49.27 | stoned | I'm guessing the EAST |
| 06:49.31 | stoned | south east? |
| 06:49.36 | stoned | far far south east? |
| 06:49.43 | Aimee | yeas, actually |
| 06:49.49 | Aimee | why do you know that? |
| 06:50.03 | stoned | Aimee, because of the way you speak and your dialect |
| 06:50.08 | stoned | bline, penis. |
| 06:50.09 | Renze | it's easy to find information from IP numbers |
| 06:50.31 | Aimee | no, stoned, don't talk naughty with me |
| 06:50.33 | Aimee | bye |
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| 06:50.40 | stoned | huh? |
| 06:50.50 | stoned | see, thats what wrong with non-english speaking folk |
| 06:50.58 | stoned | they never understand a godamn thing you say to em |
| 06:50.59 | Jucato | ?? |
| 06:51.00 | Renze | que? |
| 06:51.06 | mcrandello | it's not the speed but the uptime wrt the libido |
| 06:51.20 | stoned | Why is my libido under discussion? |
| 06:51.20 | Renze | mcrandello: and bandwidth |
| 06:51.47 | Renze | something about having a "fat pipe" |
| 06:51.52 | stoned | "<Aimee> I've met one guy..." |
| 06:51.56 | mcrandello | heh |
| 06:52.05 | stoned | <stoned> Aimee, met a guy |
| 06:52.11 | stoned | and thats how my conv. started |
| 06:52.19 | stoned | how the hell you gather MY libido is doing stuff? |
| 06:52.22 | stoned | what are you retarded? |
| 06:54.04 | stoned | bline, answer me? |
| 06:54.16 | stoned | yeh, thought as much. |
| 06:54.24 | stoned | Renze, you're funny |
| 06:54.46 | Renze | no, I'm just weird |
| 06:55.05 | stoned | Renze, define normality, and by which standards? |
| 06:55.07 | Jucato | Renze is unique |
| 06:55.13 | mcrandello | people keep calling me funny, "but not funny ha-ha" :( |
| 06:55.22 | stoned | Renze, you're a tool. I just wanted you to know this. |
| 06:55.23 | bline | stoned: how many guys in here have you asked where they are from |
| 06:55.27 | stoned | Renze, did you know that you're a tool :) |
| 06:55.32 | stoned | umm |
| 06:55.34 | stoned | lets see |
| 06:55.46 | bline | ? |
| 06:55.46 | Jucato | c'mon... what did you expect from someone who's IRC handle is "stoned"? :P |
| 06:55.48 | stoned | I've asked, Renze and qupada and canllaith(another girl) |
| 06:55.53 | stoned | and um, bunch of other people |
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| 06:56.18 | bline | So you were not 'wanting' anything? |
| 06:56.19 | stoned | and I 've asked Sho_ |
| 06:56.30 | stoned | bline, dude, what the fuck are you retarded or something |
| 06:56.39 | stoned | wtf could I want from some dumbass asian chic online |
| 06:56.44 | bline | "I'm leaving" "Oh, where are you from" |
| 06:56.53 | bline | Please. |
| 06:57.08 | stoned | just quit while you're ahead. take your foot out of your mouth. please |
| 06:57.17 | Jucato | ok stop it both of you |
| 06:57.46 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/family.jpg |
| 06:57.48 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/family2.jpg |
| 06:57.52 | stoned | and here is my wife and kid |
| 06:57.59 | stoned | and umm... go fuck yourself |
| 06:58.08 | bline | heh |
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| 06:58.33 | bline | You get angry quickly. |
| 06:58.50 | stoned | when my libido is under discussion by morons, yes, I tend to get a bit angry |
| 06:59.06 | bline | Maybe you should concider not attaching so much to anything other people say. |
| 06:59.21 | stoned | maybe you should stop pretending to be Freud. |
| 07:00.25 | mcrandello | http://blog.mediacatalyst.com/images/seriousbusiness.jpg |
| 07:00.32 | stoned | if you don't like some dude talking to some chic, then the only logical conclusion I can come up with is that you're homosexual. Not that there is anything wrong with that. |
| 07:00.41 | stoned | I'm gonna go play Oblivion |
| 07:00.47 | stoned | thats WHY I put this pc together |
| 07:00.48 | bline | heh |
| 07:01.49 | bline | enjoy |
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| 07:02.24 | stoned | you too, take it easy man :) |
| 07:02.30 | Jucato | Renze: what's there to ponder? |
| 07:02.49 | Renze | Jucato: because I don't actually want op |
| 07:03.05 | Jucato | Renze: I meant, why ponder calling when you could have already called :P |
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| 07:03.40 | stoned | Otacuj |
| 07:03.46 | stoned | Ezner |
| 07:04.01 | Renze | Denots |
| 07:04.02 | stoned | Thats the name of my new Mage character in Oblivion |
| 07:04.02 | stoned | :) |
| 07:04.07 | Renze | mmmmm... donuts... |
| 07:04.10 | stoned | haha |
| 07:04.17 | stoned | Otacuj Ezner |
| 07:04.20 | stoned | thats a cool name man |
| 07:04.22 | Jucato | lol |
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| 07:09.58 | Jell-O-Fishi | hi. little question about kbabel. if i have a po and pot file, and the pot file is more current, how do i get the new messages into the po file ? |
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| 07:11.16 | Jell-O-Fishi | nvm. found answer. |
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| 07:13.41 | Aimee | Hi everyone |
| 07:13.51 | Jucato | wb Aimee |
| 07:14.17 | Jucato | Aimee: aren't you concerned about your system's security? |
| 07:14.50 | Aimee | jucato, surely I concerned, that why I'm trying linux |
| 07:15.00 | Jucato | Aimee: then never go online as root |
| 07:15.02 | Aimee | because my windows always crash |
| 07:15.10 | Jucato | er.. security, not stability :) |
| 07:15.10 | Aimee | oh, surely |
| 07:15.41 | Aimee | learning linux harder than windows |
| 07:16.19 | Jucato | Aimee: not really harder... it just takes a bit of getting used to. it just looks harder because most of us have been raised with Windows. |
| 07:16.33 | Aimee | yes, you're too? |
| 07:16.34 | Renze | and the fact that windows hides pretty much everything of value |
| 07:17.12 | Jucato | Aimee: yes. I've only been using Linux for 380 days |
| 07:17.15 | Jucato | or less... |
| 07:17.29 | Jucato | (counting the times/days/hours he didn't use the computer) |
| 07:17.46 | Renze | almost 3000 days for me |
| 07:17.56 | Jucato | Renze: you're old :P |
| 07:17.59 | Renze | yup |
| 07:18.09 | Aimee | how old are you renze? |
| 07:18.20 | Renze | 37 |
| 07:18.22 | Jucato | heh I meant that he was old in the ways of Linux |
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| 07:19.19 | Aimee | thank to your advice, jucato, I'm gonna create another account |
| 07:19.32 | Jucato | Aimee: it would be best. |
| 07:19.40 | Aimee | hey, but how do you know I'm using root account? |
| 07:19.42 | Jucato | Aimee: time to start practicing safe computing :) |
| 07:19.59 | Jucato | --> Aimee has joined this channel (n=root@222.252.106.113). |
| 07:20.19 | Aimee | you even know my IP address? |
| 07:20.23 | Renze | yup |
| 07:20.23 | Aimee | oh, god, |
| 07:20.30 | Jucato | Aimee: um... |
| 07:20.31 | Renze | bwahaha ;) |
| 07:20.34 | Jucato | Aimee: you're not used to IRC are you? |
| 07:20.43 | Aimee | yes, |
| 07:20.47 | Aimee | only a few day, |
| 07:20.58 | Jucato | anyone can know your IP address... that doesn't mean anything |
| 07:21.02 | Aimee | my friend taught me a litle about IRC |
| 07:21.19 | Jucato | Aimee: you can know everyone's IP addresses too. it's not hidden in IRC unless you request a cloak |
| 07:21.44 | Aimee | a cloak like a proxy or something? |
| 07:22.16 | Jucato | no.. it's just something that hides your IP from a plain /whois |
| 07:22.23 | Renze | Hanoi Post and Telecom Company |
| 07:22.44 | Aimee | that it is, you know I'm from Vietnam |
| 07:22.51 | Aimee | where are you from Renze? |
| 07:22.57 | Renze | New Zealand |
| 07:23.00 | Jucato | wow. same side of the world |
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| 07:23.49 | LiquidNerd | completely off topic... is mayo bad for you if it expires? |
| 07:23.55 | Aimee | and you, jucato? |
| 07:24.07 | LiquidNerd | I just ate a sandwhich with mayo that expired in march 2006 |
| 07:24.08 | Renze | LiquidNerd: it'll probably make you hurl |
| 07:24.08 | Jucato | Philippines |
| 07:24.12 | Jucato | LiquidNerd: yes |
| 07:24.28 | LiquidNerd | hmmm |
| 07:24.34 | Renze | LiquidNerd: get a bucket |
| 07:24.34 | mcrandello | LiquidNerd: are rotten eggs bad for you? |
| 07:24.55 | mcrandello | LiquidNerd is about to become an appropriate nick |
| 07:24.55 | LiquidNerd | heh.. I noticed it as I was putting the plate in the dish washer and putting the mayo back in the firdge |
| 07:25.28 | LiquidNerd | so I should basically plan on staying home tomorrow with food poisoning? |
| 07:25.48 | Jucato | unless you're using it as an excuse to stay home :) |
| 07:25.51 | mcrandello | Those expiration dates may or may not mean anything, if you do get sick you may want to get checked for salmanilla though |
| 07:26.20 | mcrandello | I would think you'd immediately know you did something wrong if you had bad mayo |
| 07:26.30 | Renze | sam and ella will be having a tempestuous affair in LiquidNerd's digestive tract |
| 07:26.52 | Renze | LiquidNerd: usually you can tell it is bad by the smell |
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| 07:27.08 | LiquidNerd | well I just finished the sandwhich like 5 minutes ago.. It didn't smell bad or anything |
| 07:27.09 | LiquidNerd | tasted fine too |
| 07:27.25 | LiquidNerd | probably a bit tackier than normal though, but I dind't think anything of it |
| 07:27.28 | Aimee | LiquidNerd, are you from 3rd world country too? |
| 07:28.15 | mcrandello | I ate a bad ham last week and came through it okay, I have strong stomach acid though |
| 07:28.19 | LiquidNerd | sometimes Ottawa Canada seems like it |
| 07:28.20 | Renze | NZ isn't a 3rd world country... it is Middle Earth |
| 07:29.37 | Jucato | Renze: oh c'mon! |
| 07:29.55 | Jucato | if you're 3rd world, you're basically putting my country in 5th |
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| 07:30.49 | Aimee | no, jucato, sometime we ate and don't care what we ate |
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| 07:31.41 | LiquidNerd | I suppose I should go drink some vodka.. that would kill any salmanilla maybe |
| 07:31.55 | Aimee | at least phillipines richer than vietnam |
| 07:32.03 | Jucato | really? |
| 07:32.49 | benJIman | LiquidNerd: if it was 100% maybe |
| 07:33.06 | LiquidNerd | hehe |
| 07:33.11 | benJIman | I assume you mean salmonella |
| 07:33.29 | Kamesh | Hi all, Any one know why Firefox and thunderbird is packed with the kubuntu live cd ? |
| 07:36.27 | Kamesh | ??? anyone |
| 07:37.41 | Jucato | Kamesh: #kubuntu |
| 07:37.43 | benJIman | Well now you've added multiple question marks your question seems so much more important. |
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| 07:38.46 | Kamesh | Thanks Jucato.. I am in #kubuntu now. |
| 07:39.23 | Kamesh | benjiman: Don't pick on me now. I have much better things to do.. Thanks any way for you comments |
| 07:42.19 | Aimee | jucato, I couldn't hate ubuntu more than I hate it now |
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| 07:42.57 | Jucato | but definitely not Ubuntu |
| 07:43.22 | Aimee | yes, but still similar to ubuntu |
| 07:43.39 | Aimee | the first time I installed ubuntu, it has nothing |
| 07:43.50 | Jucato | when was that? |
| 07:43.54 | Jucato | and it's not similar to Ubuntu |
| 07:44.04 | Jucato | Ubuntu uses GNOME, and Kubuntu uses KDE. huge difference |
| 07:44.14 | Renze | gentoo ftw! |
| 07:44.17 | Aimee | that was ubuntu 6.10, I think over a month ago |
| 07:44.30 | Jucato | aah |
| 07:44.31 | rikur | archlinux <3 |
| 07:44.37 | Aimee | huge difference |
| 07:44.44 | Aimee | but similar to lack of tool |
| 07:44.57 | Aimee | and have to install later |
| 07:45.09 | Aimee | the distro only on a CD |
| 07:45.17 | Jucato | ?? |
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| 07:45.50 | Aimee | jucato, for example , it lack of header library |
| 07:45.55 | stoned | <Aimee> jucato, I couldn't hate ubuntu more than I hate it now <== thats awesome |
| 07:46.04 | Jucato | Aimee: and? |
| 07:46.34 | Aimee | and I have to download and install it, because the kernel header library wasn't on the cd |
| 07:46.38 | Aimee | that one thing |
| 07:46.51 | Jucato | Aimee: the aim of Kubuntu's 1 CD thing is to provide a desktop that has most of the features that regular desktop users need, which doesn't include compiling\ |
| 07:46.52 | Aimee | stoned, don't make fun of me |
| 07:47.02 | stoned | ? |
| 07:47.29 | Aimee | I see, but, poor Aime spent one night download it |
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| 07:47.52 | stoned | lol |
| 07:47.52 | Aimee | and after installed it, it was a huge disappointment |
| 07:48.23 | Jucato | what did you need the kernel headers for? |
| 07:48.32 | stoned | wow, thats wicked. I hate ubuntu. I ordered the free cds off their website for 6.06LTS. I insalled it and I was like WHAT in the shit? |
| 07:48.39 | Aimee | for compile nvidia driver |
| 07:48.52 | mcrandello | sudo apt-get install build-essential I think will do it |
| 07:48.54 | Jucato | Aimee: have you tried the driver that comes with Ubuntu? |
| 07:48.55 | stoned | I don't think I could ever use anything but Debian sid now |
| 07:49.06 | Aimee | it didn't work |
| 07:49.14 | Jucato | what's your video card? |
| 07:49.20 | Jucato | anyway, it's in the past now |
| 07:49.26 | Aimee | nvidia Geforce 6600GT |
| 07:49.27 | stoned | mcrandello, aptitude intsall module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 07:49.31 | stoned | that will take care of it |
| 07:49.46 | Aimee | but don't mention it jucato |
| 07:49.48 | Jucato | sorry it didn't work out for you. but I've never had any problems with the nvidia driver that Ubuntu provided |
| 07:49.52 | stoned | no need to install packages manually |
| 07:50.05 | mcrandello | I just downloaded the thing from nvidia and ran it no fuss no muss |
| 07:50.25 | Aimee | at least I could use nvidia driver on nvidia website |
| 07:50.27 | stoned | in a prue debiain install, it can screw things up |
| 07:50.40 | stoned | it _is_ known to break things |
| 07:50.57 | stoned | could be the case with ubuntu as well, seeing as how they put little thought into wtf they are doing anyway |
| 07:51.29 | Jucato | stoned: just because you can't seem to understand what they're doing doesn't necessarily mean they're not putting thought into it |
| 07:51.43 | stoned | dude, thats exactly what it means |
| 07:51.54 | Jucato | do you even know how much thought is needed to put together a working distro? |
| 07:52.28 | stoned | Jucato, I'm not going to argue opinions. |
| 07:52.33 | Jucato | no that's not what it means. it only means *you* can't understand what they're doing. nothing more |
| 07:52.44 | Jucato | yes, it's just your opinion anyway |
| 07:52.44 | stoned | Jucato, my distro is better blah blah. my god has a bigger dick than your god. |
| 07:52.46 | stoned | who gives a shit |
| 07:53.02 | Aimee | where are you from stoned? |
| 07:53.28 | stoned | Jucato, btw, stop assuming |
| 07:53.41 | stoned | Jucato, I said they put little thought, not 'no' thought |
| 07:53.44 | Jucato | I also have stopped discussting |
| 07:53.47 | Jucato | discussing |
| 07:53.49 | Aimee | yes, I think, there is no better distro, but only suiter distro |
| 07:53.56 | Aimee | at least for me |
| 07:54.00 | Jucato | ok, s/no/little/ |
| 07:54.01 | stoned | better is subjective |
| 07:54.07 | Jucato | happy? |
| 07:54.07 | stoned | however ubuntu universally sucks |
| 07:54.10 | stoned | :D |
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| 07:54.30 | stoned | here you have two people Jucato |
| 07:54.39 | stoned | who used it without any presuppositions or prejudices |
| 07:54.41 | stoned | and they both hated it |
| 07:54.54 | Jucato | stoned: and? |
| 07:54.56 | stoned | I'm sure people out there like you love it |
| 07:55.07 | stoned | my point is, its my opinion, and you can't tell me its wrong |
| 07:55.11 | Jucato | does that support "however ubuntu universally sucks"? |
| 07:55.32 | stoned | yes |
| 07:55.42 | stoned | if it didn't suck we'd be using it right now. |
| 07:55.43 | Jucato | using logic alone, I'll say you're wrong |
| 07:55.45 | canllaith | Jucato: I use kcontrol |
| 07:55.54 | Jucato | because 2 persons != universal |
| 07:56.03 | canllaith | and why is (another girl) relevant? (Hi, I just got back) |
| 07:56.08 | stoned | yes, and yo uhave NO sense of humor |
| 07:56.11 | Jucato | canllaith: does "kcmshell display" bring up the original KControl display module? |
| 07:56.20 | canllaith | Jucato: Nope. |
| 07:56.21 | stoned | canllaith, some dude was bugging me about talking to a girl in here |
| 07:56.24 | canllaith | It's empty, sadly. |
| 07:56.28 | Jucato | canllaith: hm... |
| 07:56.36 | canllaith | stoned: dude, he just obviously doesn't talk to enough girls. |
| 07:56.36 | stoned | lol |
| 07:56.39 | Jucato | canllaith: they once again removed something from the source code? |
| 07:56.42 | stoned | canllaith, I know, I concluded the same thing! |
| 07:57.30 | canllaith | Jucato: No, I don't think so, I think I'm just missing something.... |
| 07:57.45 | canllaith | Woah, and you guys need to play nice or I'll smack your heads together or somethin. |
| 07:57.58 | Jucato | canllaith: afaik, the kde-guidance display module is "diplayconfig"... |
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| 07:58.06 | z0d14k | I am trying to set my laptop up so I can do presentations. I can get dual display working, and I can get the correct resolution. It defaults to 85Hz though, and I want to be able to specify 60 and/or 75. It isn't an option in krandrtray or monitor settings....I see lots of info on _increasing_ refresh rate, but none on _decreasing_ Any ideas? |
| 07:58.08 | canllaith | Jucato: aye, I went and had a poke around the .so files |
| 07:58.32 | stoned | z0d14k, I think you have to specify them in xorg.conf |
| 07:58.35 | Jucato | canllaith: bah.. now I don't know anymore what they did... this is what I get for compiling KDE :P |
| 07:58.40 | canllaith | z0d14k: can you find any information on how to lock the refresh rate to 60Ghz on both displays ? |
| 07:58.56 | stoned | 60 ghz would be nice |
| 07:59.12 | canllaith | ! |
| 07:59.14 | canllaith | hz. |
| 07:59.21 | canllaith | I ate too much curry. I'm not quite with it. |
| 07:59.23 | stoned | hehe |
| 07:59.28 | Jucato | canllaith: I was thinking, if they still had the default "kcmshell display" installed, you could use kcontroledit... |
| 07:59.31 | z0d14k | canllaith: No......I just find stuff telling you to specify HorizSync VertRefresh ranges....... |
| 07:59.44 | canllaith | Jucato: It is there, but for some reason it comes up blank. |
| 07:59.51 | canllaith | It's ok I worked around the problem for the moment |
| 07:59.56 | z0d14k | I tried a handful with no luck.... |
| 08:00.03 | Jucato | canllaith: oh... displayconfig never worked for me... |
| 08:00.09 | canllaith | No, neither :) |
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| 08:00.19 | Jucato | maybe another proof that ubuntu universally sucks, right stoned? ;) |
| 08:00.21 | canllaith | So I found an old .kde backup and copied the configuration file manually |
| 08:00.32 | stoned | Jucato, sarcasm is wasted on me bro :) |
| 08:00.32 | canllaith | Oh man, don't get me started on what is wrong with Ubuntu |
| 08:00.44 | Jucato | stoned: oh that was my feeble attempt at humor :P |
| 08:00.46 | canllaith | The thing is, there is something wrong with *EVERYTHING* and this at least gives me pretty eye candy. |
| 08:00.49 | stoned | Jucato, ubuntu sucks and there is nothing you can do or say to change my opinion. Quit trying. |
| 08:01.01 | stoned | word |
| 08:01.03 | Jucato | stoned: if you should know, I only use half of Ubuntu. |
| 08:01.05 | canllaith | stoned: so who thought it was weird you were talkig to a girl ? |
| 08:01.12 | stoned | I dunno man |
| 08:01.19 | stoned | some dude |
| 08:01.27 | Jucato | stoned: and I'm not trying to change your opinion.. never crossed my mind |
| 08:01.37 | stoned | Jucato, its all good bro |
| 08:01.39 | stoned | :) |
| 08:01.50 | canllaith | this is the worst mousing surface in the world but I can't be bothered moving. Damnit. |
| 08:02.04 | stoned | I use optical mouse on the side of my recliner in which I sit |
| 08:02.09 | Jucato | canllaith: what kind of mouse? |
| 08:02.10 | stoned | it works perfectly |
| 08:02.13 | canllaith | optical bluetooth |
| 08:02.21 | canllaith | I have this coffee table |
| 08:02.28 | Jucato | oh |
| 08:02.29 | canllaith | and it is weirdest mousing surface ever. |
| 08:02.30 | stoned | is it clear |
| 08:02.31 | stoned | ? |
| 08:02.37 | canllaith | Nah, but it's just BIZZARE. |
| 08:02.38 | stoned | glass? |
| 08:02.47 | stoned | clear gass laser just goes right through |
| 08:02.48 | canllaith | No, wood! |
| 08:02.51 | stoned | word |
| 08:03.00 | canllaith | It's real weird. Every other wooden table is a great mousing surface |
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| 08:03.04 | stoned | you can just hover the mosue lightly over the surface |
| 08:03.09 | stoned | and you'll still be able to use it |
| 08:03.09 | canllaith | This one just defies the laws of gravity. |
| 08:03.09 | stoned | :D |
| 08:03.15 | stoned | lol |
| 08:03.18 | canllaith | Or something. It's possessed. |
| 08:03.19 | stoned | we're in the matrix |
| 08:03.27 | Jucato | blue pill? |
| 08:03.37 | canllaith | I tried all the mice in the house (I own three different models of logitech wireless mouse. Um. Bit weird, I know) |
| 08:03.45 | canllaith | they're all a bit loopy on it. |
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| 08:04.04 | stoned | omg! I'm talking a girl right now |
| 08:04.10 | stoned | !!! |
| 08:04.11 | canllaith | What? Where/! |
| 08:04.13 | Jucato | you're talking a girl? |
| 08:04.13 | stoned | lol |
| 08:04.27 | stoned | i'm sorry I couldn't resist /me is cracking up |
| 08:04.31 | Jucato | there's no girl here |
| 08:04.38 | stoned | lol |
| 08:04.55 | Donald | Girl? Where girl? |
| 08:05.03 | Jucato | lol |
| 08:05.09 | Jucato | McDonald's? |
| 08:05.12 | Donald | (my lord, I just cycled through every single male friend's names and was about to start on ex boyfriends to find one that wasn't already in use) |
| 08:05.19 | stoned | I had s supersized bigmac today |
| 08:05.24 | Donald | Jucato: hrm? :) Donald is an ordinary English boys name..... |
| 08:05.27 | Jucato | lol |
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| 08:05.31 | Jucato | Donald: I'm just hungry |
| 08:05.34 | Donald | :P |
| 08:05.36 | Jucato | and stoned made me hungrier |
| 08:05.45 | stoned | lol |
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| 08:05.48 | canllaith | I read that as 'getting stoned made me hungrier' |
| 08:05.49 | Jucato | and the nearest McDonald's is about 30 minutes away |
| 08:05.51 | canllaith | which actually made more sense |
| 08:05.54 | Jucato | lol |
| 08:05.56 | stoned | damn |
| 08:05.58 | Jucato | roflmao |
| 08:05.58 | pgquiles_ | what's the nick of Zack Rusin? |
| 08:06.05 | canllaith | pgquiles_: zrusin |
| 08:06.05 | stoned | I got one like 1 mile in either direction |
| 08:06.06 | stoned | lol |
| 08:06.10 | canllaith | Why ? |
| 08:06.20 | Jucato | zrusin.. not very intuitive.. |
| 08:06.21 | Jucato | :P |
| 08:06.27 | Jucato | I meant not very obvious.... |
| 08:06.40 | pgquiles_ | canllaith: I have something to ask him about Qt 4.3 and graphics performance |
| 08:06.42 | canllaith | So. Much. Curry. |
| 08:06.42 | stoned | oh god |
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| 08:06.46 | stoned | damn you woman! |
| 08:06.49 | pgquiles_ | canllaith: thank you |
| 08:06.51 | canllaith | pgquiles_: maybe you should email him? :) |
| 08:06.55 | stoned | canllaith, yeh yeh yeh |
| 08:06.56 | stoned | rub it in |
| 08:07.05 | canllaith | I don't think he's online right now, but if you email him he's sure to read it. |
| 08:07.06 | stoned | I'm moving to houston in like a month |
| 08:07.12 | canllaith | stoned: :P I guess you're not vegetarian then |
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| 08:07.21 | stoned | canllaith, my sister lives there and shes gonna cook some awesome pakistani food |
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| 08:07.26 | pgquiles_ | canllaith: I'll do |
| 08:07.47 | stoned | nihari, naan, roghni naa, tandoori chicken, korma, karhahi, is not kadai |
| 08:07.54 | canllaith | stoned: I live walking distance from easily the best Indian restaurants in Wellington if not all of NZ |
| 08:08.00 | stoned | homecooked mmm mmm |
| 08:08.06 | stoned | canllaith, sweet |
| 08:08.17 | stoned | I have been living alone for the last 1 year |
| 08:08.20 | stoned | no paki food in a long time |
| 08:08.26 | stoned | I miss my mom so much :( |
| 08:08.30 | canllaith | aw |
| 08:08.50 | canllaith | I had a pakistani friend who's mom used to force feed us every time she saw us |
| 08:08.55 | stoned | and my gramma makes awesome indian food. shes from india, migrated to pakistan |
| 08:08.56 | canllaith | It's like she wasn't happy unless we were all 300lbs |
| 08:09.08 | stoned | my mom does that too |
| 08:09.11 | stoned | my friends love her |
| 08:09.26 | canllaith | I think it's a mom thing. Mine calls me 'fat bum' and yet still insists I eat about a zillion servings of everything. |
| 08:09.33 | stoned | exactly |
| 08:09.50 | stoned | I'm like 135lbs and she still tell me im a lazy fat bum |
| 08:09.55 | stoned | I should get off my ass and so something |
| 08:09.57 | canllaith | heh |
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| 08:10.05 | canllaith | and while you're at it, eat this big plate of food. |
| 08:10.10 | stoned | lol |
| 08:10.25 | stoned | you gonna do that to your kids? |
| 08:10.27 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:10.49 | canllaith | I'm not gonna have kids :) |
| 08:10.54 | canllaith | but yeah, I have the feeding compulsion. |
| 08:10.55 | stoned | awesome |
| 08:10.57 | stoned | respek! |
| 08:10.59 | stoned | Respek! |
| 08:11.03 | stoned | Booyakasha! |
| 08:11.19 | stoned | I thank people who don't have kids from the bottom of my heart |
| 08:11.21 | stoned | very sincerely |
| 08:11.28 | canllaith | when male friends come over who are students and skinny 'cause they forget to eat I can't let them leave until they've eaten lots. |
| 08:11.30 | stoned | when I see gay people also, I thank them |
| 08:11.47 | stoned | they have the right of mind to NOT keep pushing out ugly little larva of which we have enough |
| 08:12.03 | canllaith | I may end up having care of some teenagers (once at a time) for fairly long periods. There are better opportunities here than where my siblings are and so I imagine as they hit university age they'll all want to come here. |
| 08:12.06 | stoned | its because of this that I am still able to get a decent parking spot |
| 08:12.09 | canllaith | hah |
| 08:12.20 | stoned | when I'm no stuck in traffic, I thank all you people who don't have kids |
| 08:12.34 | stoned | im serious :/ |
| 08:12.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:12.40 | canllaith | People who have kids are great, but I certainly don't think it's a necessary step in life. |
| 08:12.52 | stoned | I think we have enough kids |
| 08:12.58 | stoned | we should stop having kids until we need them again |
| 08:13.05 | stoned | for one generation just stop having kids |
| 08:13.07 | canllaith | It's not that I hate kids - I still reckon I've changed more nappies and nursed more babies than many mothers - but I don't feel the desire myself, and I totally agree about the overpopulation. |
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| 08:13.19 | canllaith | SOME people gotta have kids. That's not me though. |
| 08:13.27 | stoned | I think people should post up like |
| 08:13.38 | stoned | pro sodomy billboards next to abortion stuff |
| 08:13.46 | stoned | abortion should be FOR sodomy |
| 08:13.55 | stoned | "Take one in the fanny, save money on a nanny" |
| 08:14.03 | stoned | you know say it with tact and stuff |
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| 08:14.10 | canllaith | heh well we should probably can it here |
| 08:14.12 | stoned | I don' thave any thats why I'm not incharge of these things |
| 08:14.20 | stoned | but you know |
| 08:14.22 | canllaith | I'm amazed we haven't just started world war three |
| 08:14.26 | stoned | its only logical. word |
| 08:14.40 | stoned | so when is kde 4 gonna be usable for public |
| 08:14.43 | stoned | beta etc. |
| 08:14.46 | canllaith | When it's ready. |
| 08:15.01 | stoned | no kind of schedule? |
| 08:15.11 | stoned | roughly? |
| 08:15.14 | Jucato | none yet it seems |
| 08:15.18 | stoned | hmm |
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| 08:16.24 | stoned | yeh, my ideologies are extremely unorthodox and litereally quite offensive to most general folk |
| 08:17.05 | stoned | now I'm hungry |
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| 08:17.38 | stoned | all this talk of indian food got me, Jucato you want some mc'd |
| 08:17.48 | Jucato | stoned: yeah... |
| 08:17.59 | stoned | its like 1 block away |
| 08:18.02 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:18.04 | Jucato | darn |
| 08:19.59 | Jucato | hm... I like curry too! |
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| 08:37.18 | moolight | hi, do i have to write macro to generate mo from po in cmake? |
| 08:37.30 | moolight | (hope this is the right channel to ask cmake questions) |
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| 08:40.27 | deb_noob | does anyone know how to remove duplicates from the playlist in noatun? |
| 08:40.33 | PhilRod | moolight: if no one here knows, try #kde-devel. Also, check the archives of kde-i18n-doc. It may have been discussed there |
| 08:40.48 | moolight | good tips, thanks |
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| 08:48.53 | Aimee | hey Jucato, you still there? |
| 08:48.58 | Jucato | yep |
| 08:49.06 | Jucato | nice. no longer root :) |
| 08:49.21 | Aimee | no longer root? |
| 08:49.25 | Aimee | actually I'm root now |
| 08:49.31 | Jucato | :O |
| 08:49.41 | Aimee | could you please show me how to add a user? |
| 08:49.55 | Aimee | adduser command work |
| 08:49.56 | Jucato | um... I don't know how Fedora implements that... |
| 08:49.56 | Aimee | fine |
| 08:50.09 | Aimee | but I can't set password for this user |
| 08:50.16 | Aimee | and can't log on |
| 08:50.50 | Aimee | okay, I found it |
| 08:50.58 | Aimee | sorry, I'm actually a bimbo |
| 08:51.48 | Aimee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.35 | Tomasu | hah: *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61. *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer |
| 09:09.38 | Tomasu | nice |
| 09:10.27 | Jucato | Tomasu: check if you have automake installed |
| 09:10.41 | Tomasu | pretty sure I do, I run gentoo. |
| 09:11.03 | Jucato | hm... I only get that when I don't have automake installed... :( |
| 09:11.04 | Tomasu | got that trying to build the kate session menu applet |
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| 09:16.56 | canllaith | Tomasu: if I'm sure I have it right, I go hack up the scripts in the admin folder in the build directory |
| 09:17.42 | canllaith | occasionally a 3rd party app is using an old one that doesn't recognise a very new version of autoconf. You'll laugh when you see how they do the version check. |
| 09:17.47 | Tomasu | yeah, I recall having to do that now last time I installed it.. quite annoying, it doesnt take into account versions orther than *2.5* |
| 09:17.52 | Tomasu | (cvs.sh) |
| 09:17.58 | canllaith | Yeah |
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| 09:24.08 | aimee | hey, jucato, you're still there? |
| 09:24.37 | Jucato | yep. but almost gone |
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| 09:24.56 | aimee | now this is my new account |
| 09:24.59 | aimee | not root :-P |
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| 09:25.07 | Jucato | hehe nice! :) |
| 09:27.11 | aimee | hey, jucato, do you know how to play mp3 and wma file in juk |
| 09:27.38 | Jucato | aimee: you'd have to ask in Fedora. different distros have different packages for MP3 and Windows Media support |
| 09:27.48 | aimee | okay, |
| 09:27.54 | aimee | sorry |
| 09:28.03 | Jucato | no problems :) |
| 09:28.10 | aimee | those people from fedora seem to against mpeg, ntfs |
| 09:28.34 | canllaith | back to work tomorrow :\ |
| 09:28.44 | Jucato | aimee: because they're proprietary, and most encourage free and open source software/formats |
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| 09:28.58 | Jucato | aimee: btw, might want to try out Amarok instead of Juk. |
| 09:29.06 | Jucato | canllaith: aw... :( |
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| 09:32.22 | aimee | jucato, I already have amarok |
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| 09:32.40 | aimee | but currently I'm using baghira theme |
| 09:32.55 | aimee | and juk look more like iTunes than amarok |
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| 09:35.58 | Renze | looking just like iTunes is a good thing? |
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| 09:46.10 | vbgunz | I am absolutely convinced the kmail regular expression filtering engine is broken. is this confirmed? I get email at several different addresses. This very simple regex should work *but* doesn't: ^(abc1|def2)@tld.com$ I should match either abc1@tld.com OR def2@tld.com *but* none are ever matched. What kind of regex does kmail take? |
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| 10:02.10 | orzel | Hello. Compiling kdebase from 3.5 branch, configure complains it can't find dbus bindings for qt3. I can't find any dbus option in qt-copy. Is this supposed to be bundled with qt or external ? |
| 10:02.40 | orzel | gentoo has a "dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old", which is http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fdbus. Could that be the answer ? seems strange to me. |
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| 10:07.21 | qupada | orzel: dbus-qt3-old certainly seems to stop things from breaking |
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| 10:09.12 | orzel | qupada: ok.. |
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| 10:53.27 | archangelpetro | ahh bollocks, i just had the worst exam ever :'( |
| 10:53.44 | Jucato | congratulations |
| 10:53.48 | Jucato | er.. condolences |
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| 11:00.37 | archangelpetro | seriously.. it was such a bad exam :'( |
| 11:00.41 | archangelpetro | real time systems |
| 11:00.44 | archangelpetro | fucking awful |
| 11:00.45 | archangelpetro | :S |
| 11:00.56 | archangelpetro | i think it may fuck up my chances at a first |
| 11:01.29 | Jucato | at a first what? |
| 11:01.35 | archangelpetro | first class degree |
| 11:01.38 | archangelpetro | basically an A grade |
| 11:01.43 | Jucato | oh... :( |
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| 11:08.17 | annma | hi all |
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| 11:09.38 | spawn57 | heya |
| 11:10.02 | Jucato | annma!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 11:23.48 | annma | hi Jucato spawn57 |
| 11:24.19 | annma | I still don't have a room for next tuesday in Paris |
| 11:25.08 | Jucato | oh... |
| 11:25.23 | Jucato | what event is it, btw? |
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| 11:25.34 | annma | Solutions Linux, the Linux expo |
| 11:25.49 | annma | i'll be giving a talk about KDE-Edu |
| 11:26.01 | Jucato | ooh |
| 11:26.02 | annma | I have 6 hours train then the night |
| 11:26.07 | Jucato | ouch.... |
| 11:26.20 | Jucato | train rides aren't good here... |
| 11:26.32 | annma | my town is quite far from Paris |
| 11:26.44 | annma | separated by small mountains |
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| 11:26.58 | Jucato | ooh... must have a very scenic view |
| 11:27.27 | annma | do you have good trains Jucato ? |
| 11:27.35 | Jucato | annma: none :P |
| 11:27.45 | Jucato | at least, last I checked... |
| 11:27.49 | annma | ;) |
| 11:27.55 | Jucato | which has been a long time ago... |
| 11:27.55 | annma | people take the bus then? |
| 11:28.03 | Jucato | yep... |
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| 11:28.34 | Jucato | trains have become a sort of "poor man's" ride here... specially when doing provincial trips |
| 11:28.59 | annma | oh |
| 11:29.43 | archangelpetro | where's here again jucato? |
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| 11:29.55 | Jucato | Philippines |
| 11:30.03 | archangelpetro | you're from the phillipines? |
| 11:30.04 | archangelpetro | :/ |
| 11:30.08 | archangelpetro | philippines* |
| 11:30.13 | Jucato | yes. why? |
| 11:30.19 | archangelpetro | now, that i did not know |
| 11:30.44 | annma | it seems so exotic to me, Philippines |
| 11:30.57 | Jucato | heheh in some ways, it is :) |
| 11:31.05 | archangelpetro | philippino women ;) |
| 11:31.08 | archangelpetro | rawr |
| 11:31.09 | Jucato | tropical, Asian, strange culture :P |
| 11:31.10 | annma | hmmm |
| 11:31.26 | Jucato | strange food... |
| 11:31.29 | Jucato | no KDE devs.. |
| 11:31.30 | Jucato | :( |
| 11:31.33 | annma | Jucato: yes, Asia is very mysterious to us Europeans |
| 11:31.44 | annma | few KDE devs |
| 11:32.06 | Jucato | India has the most FOSS devs, it seems |
| 11:32.25 | Jucato | I'd dare say India is the FOSS capital of Asia, with South Korea a close second |
| 11:32.45 | annma | yes, probably |
| 11:33.01 | Jucato | they even have Google :O |
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| 11:33.26 | annma | hi Sho_ |
| 11:33.29 | annma | cool |
| 11:33.34 | Jucato | Sho_: you know, the first time I saw you in #yakuake, I thought you were Japanese |
| 11:33.34 | Sho_ | moin annma |
| 11:34.10 | Sho_ | Jucato: How come? :) |
| 11:34.10 | mo_ | hello, i want to remove those nasty names under the icon of some desktop symbols like "System" or "Trash". How do i do that? |
| 11:34.13 | Sho_ | ah, the nick |
| 11:34.32 | Sho_ | Jucato: No, the nick has a rather different and considerably more nerdy background |
| 11:34.55 | Jucato | Sho_: I thought it had a more Japanese/anime-ish background :P |
| 11:35.21 | Jucato | mo_: icons on the desktop? |
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| 11:36.07 | mo_ | Jucato, this System icon for example yeah, |
| 11:36.24 | mo_ | when clicked it opens up konqueror on system:/ |
| 11:36.46 | mo_ | it says "system" under the icon and that's what i want to remove |
| 11:36.51 | Jucato | can't you just rename it by pressing F2 and deleting the name? |
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| 11:37.28 | mo_ | nah, i cant leave the name empty |
| 11:37.40 | mo_ | its not allowed i fear |
| 11:37.42 | Jucato | hm. I can here... weird... |
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| 11:38.04 | Jucato | but when click/select it, you can see a blank space |
| 11:38.11 | mo_ | Jucato, sorry, works! |
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| 11:38.16 | mo_ | Jucato, but the border is still there |
| 11:38.29 | Jucato | it will disappear in a bit |
| 11:38.36 | Jucato | anyway, need to take dinner bye!! |
| 11:38.50 | mo_ | ok thanks man |
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| 11:39.12 | James-S | Hello there :-) |
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| 12:53.06 | paulo | Anarky |
| 12:53.22 | Anarky | ... |
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| 12:53.51 | Anarky | well ... if anybody knows who paulo is ... |
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| 12:58.51 | ctp | hi folks. i need some recommendations for a really good mac-like theme for kde3.5.5. any suggestions? |
| 12:59.09 | MinceR | yuck, mac-like. |
| 12:59.15 | mark_alec | baghira |
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| 13:00.26 | annma | Mez: he he |
| 13:01.30 | Mez | annma, the commit ? |
| 13:02.09 | Jucato | or maybe she meant that for MinceR? |
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| 13:03.05 | Mez | Jucato, lol |
| 13:04.54 | annma | Mez: yes |
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| 13:05.09 | MinceR | "i've been waiting for 8 hours now..." (John at 10:4) |
| 13:05.13 | seemawn | hi |
| 13:05.14 | Jucato | lol |
| 13:05.21 | Mez | annma, good to know *laughs at Jucato* |
| 13:05.26 | seemawn | my package manager has downloaded kde 3.5.6 |
| 13:05.37 | seemawn | does anyone know about this version? |
| 13:05.43 | Jucato | annma: how did you know about that comment? |
| 13:05.44 | annma | what distro? |
| 13:05.48 | seemawn | arch |
| 13:05.48 | Jucato | seemawn: distro? |
| 13:05.49 | Jucato | darn |
| 13:05.54 | annma | Jucato: #kde-commits |
| 13:06.09 | annma | seemawn: 3.5.6 will be out in a few days |
| 13:06.19 | annma | some distros already made it available |
| 13:06.20 | Jucato | grr.... |
| 13:06.27 | seemawn | okay |
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| 13:06.29 | seemawn | ic |
| 13:06.30 | Jucato | on the 23rd probably |
| 13:06.33 | annma | seemawn: distros have tarballs early |
| 13:06.44 | annma | to prepare their packs |
| 13:06.53 | seemawn | ah okay, I see |
| 13:07.32 | Jucato | annma: luckily only a few people in that room |
| 13:07.35 | cbr | can i enable smooth scrolling in kde somehow? |
| 13:07.38 | annma | in fact I heard it was delayed Jucato |
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| 13:07.50 | annma | Jucato: tehre's a mailing list as well for commits |
| 13:07.57 | annma | so EVERYONE will know |
| 13:07.59 | Jucato | annma: aah... I just took the info from the commits page |
| 13:08.04 | Jucato | noooo! |
| 13:08.07 | verve | how do i make Firefox the default browser in KDE? i tried under Default Applications, but it still opens links in Konqueror |
| 13:08.15 | annma | verve: KControl |
| 13:08.33 | annma | KDE Components |
| 13:08.33 | Jucato | verve: what app still opens up Konqueror? |
| 13:08.52 | verve | hrm |
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| 13:08.56 | verve | where's that on the menu!? |
| 13:09.05 | annma | KDE control Center |
| 13:09.08 | verve | i remember seeing it in BSD, but this is the first time i've seen it in Ubuntu |
| 13:09.24 | Jucato | verve: Control Center -> KDE Components -> Default Applications -> Web Browser |
| 13:09.28 | Jucato | aaah |
| 13:09.39 | Jucato | verve: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:09.40 | verve | i have a System Settings one.. |
| 13:09.53 | annma | K Menu -> KDE Control Center |
| 13:10.00 | annma | in vanilla KDE |
| 13:10.09 | Jucato | annma: unfortunately, it seems that, at least on Kubuntu, non-KDE apps do not honor that kcontrol setting |
| 13:10.14 | annma | ask in #kubuntu if you cannot find it |
| 13:10.20 | annma | Jucato: no? |
| 13:10.24 | annma | how come? |
| 13:10.30 | annma | it's intrusive!!! |
| 13:10.37 | Jucato | annma: uhuh. so even if you set it in kcontrol, apps like Gaim would still open Konqueror |
| 13:10.39 | annma | you're sure? |
| 13:10.47 | annma | ah |
| 13:10.48 | Jucato | annma: afaik and iirc |
| 13:10.51 | annma | Gaim is not a KDE app |
| 13:11.01 | annma | KControl settings work only for KDE apps |
| 13:11.06 | Jucato | annma: read what I said :) |
| 13:11.08 | annma | afaik |
| 13:11.13 | pinotree | xdg-utils |
| 13:11.21 | verve | Jucato, sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser <- so that will work? |
| 13:11.22 | Jucato | <Jucato> annma: unfortunately, it seems that, at least on Kubuntu, non-KDE apps do not honor that kcontrol setting |
| 13:11.44 | annma | Jucato: the guy asks for making Firefox the default browser in KDE |
| 13:11.53 | verve | yeah, i think it's as Jucato says.. non-KDE apps |
| 13:11.59 | verve | i think i was trying to open one from XChat, last |
| 13:12.02 | annma | non KDE apps don't honor any KControl settings |
| 13:12.16 | verve | i WOULD use Konversation, if i could figure out how to make KDE Crypto accept invalid SSL certificates |
| 13:12.28 | verve | 'cause there's an irc server i go on that's SSL |
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| 13:12.46 | Jucato | <verve> how do i make Firefox the default browser in KDE? i tried under Default Applications, but it still opens links in Konqueror <-- annma: he already set it |
| 13:13.30 | annma | KControl settings work only for KDE apps |
| 13:13.35 | annma | not for apps under KDE |
| 13:13.36 | Jucato | annma: so it's not only Kubuntu? I thought they did something again :P |
| 13:14.01 | annma | Jucato: KDE cannot control other apps settings |
| 13:14.05 | annma | not the same code |
| 13:14.42 | Jucato | annma: yeah, I thought so... I just wasn't sure... given how Kubuntu changes stuff here and there.. |
| 13:14.44 | annma | running the Gimp under KDE will not make it having special things |
| 13:15.03 | annma | running Gaim under Gnome or KDE is the same |
| 13:15.12 | Jucato | luckily there's that update-alternatives command, that can make the option more system-wide |
| 13:15.32 | annma | we can force all KDE apps to open Firefox instead of Konqueror however |
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| 13:16.59 | Jucato | annma: yeah. his particular problem though was that non-KDE apps won't follow that. I know he didn't say so, but I've seen that question before |
| 13:17.00 | verve | (08:11) <verve> Jucato, sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser <- so that will work? |
| 13:17.03 | verve | ? |
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| 13:17.23 | Jucato | verve: yes. it will let you choose which browser you want to use as the default X browser |
| 13:17.58 | verve | snazzy |
| 13:18.46 | Jucato | not sure if other distros have that, though... |
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| 13:19.49 | verve | that worked Jucato, cheers |
| 13:19.49 | verve | <3 |
| 13:20.02 | verve | now you guys have any idea how to make KDE Crypto accept invalid certs? |
| 13:20.02 | verve | heh |
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| 13:24.07 | verve | heh |
| 13:24.31 | verve | i wasn't liking at KDE at first, compared to Gnome, but i'm liking it better now |
| 13:24.35 | verve | -at |
| 13:24.43 | verve | Amarok's pretty cool |
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| 13:24.46 | verve | so's Kopete |
| 13:25.20 | annma | verve: nice! |
| 13:25.33 | Jucato | yay! another convert! :) |
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| 13:28.07 | verve | :P |
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| 13:29.47 | Axman6_ | evening |
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| 13:30.38 | Jucato | hm... someone from the same side of the world :) |
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| 13:31.34 | Axman6_ | Aus? |
| 13:31.45 | Jucato | nope. |
| 13:32.09 | Axman6_ | where're ya tlaking about then? (and were you referring to me? :P) |
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| 13:32.35 | Jucato | yes I was referring to you. I'm from somewhere in Asia, where it is evening right now :P |
| 13:35.21 | Axman6_ | he he, ok :P |
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| 13:35.26 | Axman6_ | anyway, i've just installed KDE/Mac. i'm pretty impressed |
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| 13:35.36 | Jucato | wow. brave soul |
| 13:36.13 | Axman6_ | it was a lot easier than i thought it would be. just a bunch of .pkg's |
| 13:36.59 | Axman6_ | got konqueror up and running just fine :) |
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| 13:40.00 | Axman6_ | so, KDE/Mac devs, feel proud. |
| 13:40.08 | Axman6_ | doubt there are any in here, but... pass it on for me eh? :P |
| 13:40.22 | Jucato | heh if I meet one :) |
| 13:40.33 | verve | is there a better place for KDE themes than kde-look.org? |
| 13:40.45 | Jucato | kde-look.org :) |
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| 13:43.28 | verve | boo |
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| 13:47.30 | Axman6_ | for 292 people, this is one of the quietest channels i've been in :| |
| 13:47.47 | Axman6_ | i was expecting to be totally drowned out with talk |
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| 13:47.58 | benJIman | Depends on the time of day. |
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| 13:48.04 | benJIman | In the evenings (in europe) it's busy |
| 13:48.11 | Axman6_ | fair enough |
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| 13:48.31 | Axman6_ | hmm, the acid2 test looks funky in konq... on a mac at least |
| 13:48.52 | Jucato | Axman6_: you haven't been around FOSS IRC channels much, have you? |
| 13:49.38 | Axman6_ | i guess not. guess the mac ones are a bit more.... i dunno.. something :P |
| 13:50.09 | Jucato | hehe it's a usual thing in here... 291 nicks, and only less than 15 talking people... |
| 13:50.26 | Axman6_ | less that 5 ya mean :P |
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| 13:50.46 | Jucato | well, I'm taking into account the people who are really *really* here but just not talking |
| 13:50.47 | Axman6_ | but all 5 chans i'm in atm are quiet right now |
| 13:51.00 | Axman6_ | heh, oh right :P |
| 13:51.24 | Axman6_ | i'm expecting a shunning sometime soon for using a Mac |
| 13:51.35 | Daverocks | irc is silent |
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| 13:54.49 | Axman6_ | anyone have any idea why kopete wouldn't launch for me? |
| 13:55.01 | Jucato | on mac? not really... |
| 13:55.07 | Jucato | you can try asking in #kopete though |
| 13:55.08 | Axman6_ | yeah didn't think so |
| 13:55.25 | Axman6_ | nah, won't worry about it. it's alpha, so no point really |
| 13:55.58 | Axman6_ | bleh, wonder why acid2 looks weird in konqueror |
| 13:56.17 | Jucato | btw, KDE4 right? |
| 13:56.23 | Axman6_ | yah |
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| 13:56.28 | Axman6_ | well pretty sure |
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| 13:56.46 | Axman6_ | KDE3 only works in X11 on the Mac i think |
| 13:57.03 | Jucato | you might want to try asking anyway, in either #kopete or #kde4-devel |
| 13:57.16 | Jucato | I'm sure some would be at least interested to know if something works or not |
| 13:57.36 | Jucato | think of it as alpha testing and bug hunting |
| 13:57.54 | Axman6_ | yeah maybe. no real use for it though. i can't really imagine anything being better than Adium for IM;) |
| 13:58.03 | Axman6_ | but i'll ask anyway :) |
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| 14:00.12 | Axman6_ | ok, totally non KDE related Q. the server's telling me that Axman6 is in use.... by me. i had to kinda break of the connection because i did something stupid (/list, nuff said), and i want my name back :'( |
| 14:00.29 | Axman6_ | that wasn't a question... know how i can get it back? |
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| 14:00.42 | pinotree | is that nick registered by you? |
| 14:00.50 | Axman6_ | no |
| 14:01.06 | Axman6_ | oh wait... since this is freenode, maybe it is |
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| 14:01.29 | pinotree | if so, /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pwd> |
| 14:01.48 | Axman6_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.53 | Axman6_ | dmn |
| 14:01.53 | verve | what's the photo size supposed to be for Kopete? |
| 14:01.55 | Axman6_ | :| |
| 14:02.05 | Axman6_ | that was retarded wasn;t it :'( |
| 14:02.36 | Axman6_ | fook, yes, also just killed myself in other channel... brb |
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| 14:03.06 | Axman6 | oh good |
| 14:03.13 | pinotree | Axman6: change you password NOW |
| 14:03.20 | pinotree | </hint> |
| 14:03.32 | Axman6 | yah... i do that how? |
| 14:03.52 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.09 | Jucato | Axman6: /msg nickserv help set |
| 14:04.12 | Jucato | to be exact |
| 14:04.56 | Axman6 | schweet |
| 14:05.02 | Jucato | hurry!! |
| 14:05.03 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:05.09 | Axman6 | done :P |
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| 14:07.36 | Axman6 | so does freenode support SSL connections? |
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| 14:29.07 | mariux | is there a kde equivalent to gparted? |
| 14:29.23 | Jucato | QtParted, but it's not a KDE app |
| 14:29.32 | mariux | good enough for me :) |
| 14:29.49 | mariux | just dont want all the gnome libs |
| 14:29.57 | Jucato | heh |
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| 14:33.17 | aimee | hey jucato |
| 14:33.28 | Jucato | hi aimee |
| 14:33.40 | aimee | nice to see you again |
| 14:33.48 | Jucato | you too :) |
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| 14:34.28 | aimee | later I can play mp3 file in juk |
| 14:34.31 | aimee | but not wma |
| 14:34.52 | aimee | jucato, are you a developer? |
| 14:34.55 | Jucato | aimee: nope |
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| 14:35.09 | Jucato | look for something called w32codecs for Fedora |
| 14:35.39 | aimee | don't know, but i don't really need it right now |
| 14:35.49 | aimee | I can play with mplayer and amarok |
| 14:36.03 | Sakui | what package that allows me to select what sound server I can use since arts is disabled? |
| 14:36.12 | Sakui | in kcontrol |
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| 14:41.45 | aimee | hey, jucato, do you know some book useful for newbie |
| 14:41.57 | aimee | I wana learn about networking |
| 14:42.17 | colo_work | grrrrr |
| 14:42.30 | colo_work | fucking kwallet eats all my passwords at least once every two weeks |
| 14:43.00 | aimee | hey, colo_work, I encountered it before |
| 14:43.05 | aimee | kwallet eat my kopete password |
| 14:43.06 | etheri | kwallet just has one password in particular of mine it prefers to gobble |
| 14:43.08 | aimee | damn it! |
| 14:43.43 | colo_work | i really don't see how this is be possible |
| 14:43.50 | colo_work | kwallet has been part of KDE for ages |
| 14:44.07 | colo_work | i actually like dcop |
| 14:44.13 | colo_work | don't be cruel to it :-( |
| 14:44.17 | bline | dcop is going away |
| 14:44.22 | colo_work | i know |
| 14:44.31 | colo_work | as long as its functionality stays, that's ok with me |
| 14:44.55 | bline | I've always had problems with kded whatever that is |
| 14:45.08 | bline | and dcop signals |
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| 14:49.51 | aimee | hey, [a]freebsd_fan, I've heard someone say that freebsd has better network architecture than linux, do you really think so |
| 14:50.23 | anisfarhana | i don't know , because i never use freebsd :D |
| 14:50.48 | aimee | but if you know any good download manager for linux? |
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| 14:51.00 | anisfarhana | how about KGet ? |
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| 14:51.16 | aimee | kGet? this lack of speed |
| 14:51.23 | aimee | even worse than wget |
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| 14:51.52 | aimee | I want a powerful download manager(like flashget for windows) |
| 14:52.06 | MinceR | wget! |
| 14:52.09 | aimee | even the best download manager I've used is d4x |
| 14:52.14 | Jucato | at least with kget you have a graphical way to control downloads |
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| 14:52.35 | aimee | but it far from what called speed |
| 14:52.38 | MinceR | i have a terminal displayed on a graphical interface |
| 14:52.39 | MinceR | :> |
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| 14:53.12 | Jucato | aimee: you're looking for a download accelerator, not a download manager |
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| 14:53.26 | verve | why's bluetoothd running when i don't have any bluetooth devices? |
| 14:53.28 | aimee | what ever it is |
| 14:53.37 | verve | i've checked around the configuration and i can't find where to turn it off |
| 14:53.44 | aimee | have you ever used flashget before? |
| 14:53.47 | aimee | jucato? |
| 14:53.56 | aimee | or d4x for linux? |
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| 14:53.57 | Jucato | aimee: firefox's extension? |
| 14:54.10 | Jucato | verve: System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services |
| 14:54.11 | anisfarhana | verve: how about /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop ? |
| 14:54.39 | MinceR | i doubt that using those download "accelerators" is good netizenship |
| 14:54.41 | Jucato | verve: Kubuntu installs some stuff by default to make sure that it will run on as many possible hardware combos possible |
| 14:54.48 | aimee | maybe, I used some extension |
| 14:54.54 | verve | i checked that, Jucato |
| 14:54.56 | verve | it was off |
| 14:54.57 | aimee | not really good |
| 14:55.03 | Jucato | verve: all run levels? |
| 14:55.07 | MinceR | unless of course you can download from multiple mirrors at the same time |
| 14:55.12 | verve | just checked Ubuntu's services, too |
| 14:55.13 | verve | erm |
| 14:55.15 | verve | lemme look |
| 14:55.20 | Jucato | verve: anyway, try anisfarhana's suggestion |
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| 14:55.40 | Jucato | verve: double check if it's really off, and not just set to Not run at boot |
| 14:56.03 | verve | ah, it's set to run at runlevel 3 |
| 14:56.04 | anisfarhana | Jucato: i think your way is more creative and smart |
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| 14:56.29 | Jucato | anisfarhana: heh.... if it works, doesn't matter if it's creative or smart :) |
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| 14:58.17 | anisfarhana | correct :) |
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| 15:03.11 | anton | hi |
| 15:03.22 | anton | hello |
| 15:03.24 | anton | people |
| 15:03.25 | anton | !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:03.30 | anton | how are wq |
| 15:03.31 | anton | df |
| 15:03.31 | anton | dsf |
| 15:03.52 | Jucato | strange creature.. |
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| 15:06.27 | aimee | Jucato, do you think that unix has a better network architecture compare to linux? |
| 15:06.41 | Jucato | can't comment on that. I have no experience with UNIX or BSD |
| 15:07.03 | aimee | I don't really know, but I've heard some one say that |
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| 15:07.27 | aimee | even some one wrote that |
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| 15:07.50 | SuN | Hm.. comparing Linux to unix is like comparing apples to an arsenal of different fruits :) |
| 15:07.57 | Jucato | of course, different people will have different preferences |
| 15:08.11 | SuN | Though I guess using "apples" as a reference is a bad idea, since they're in the unix park. |
| 15:08.17 | Theory | mmm bananas |
| 15:08.41 | Theory | I guess maybe linux is a tomato |
| 15:08.45 | BlackBsd | does kde have a tool like gnucash? |
| 15:08.49 | Theory | type of fruit, but we're not allowed to call it that :-) |
| 15:08.51 | BlackBsd | Kash i thought it was. |
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| 15:08.54 | Theory | BlackBsd: there is kmymoney |
| 15:09.13 | aimee | jucato, do you know any IM program use qt? |
| 15:09.21 | SuN | Kopete is nice. |
| 15:09.23 | Jucato | Kopete, KMess |
| 15:09.31 | Theory | there is also an app called 'kash', not been maintained in a long time though |
| 15:09.44 | aimee | no, Kopete didn't support yahoo chatroom |
| 15:10.03 | annma | KMess only supports MSN |
| 15:10.06 | aimee | currently I'm using baghira theme, so I need a qt based IM program |
| 15:10.08 | Jucato | very few Linux IM's support yahoo chatrooms, afaik |
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| 15:10.46 | aimee | only program I've seen is GAIM, but it's base on gtk |
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| 15:12.37 | SuN | aimee: how about using Gaim and gtk-qt-engine so it'll look like QT? :) |
| 15:13.05 | aimee | I did it, but it look so ugly |
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| 15:13.18 | aimee | even uglier than native gtk |
| 15:13.32 | aimee | and extreme buggy |
| 15:13.32 | Theory | doesn't gtk have an osx theme? |
| 15:14.00 | sredna | Could anybody with flash enabled pr default see if this page works (the gallery is visible)? http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/galleries/index.html |
| 15:14.02 | Jucato | aimee: try to find a gtk version of baghira. with that and the gtk-qt-engine, you might be able to make it look like bahria |
| 15:14.42 | aimee | gtk version of baghira? |
| 15:14.47 | aimee | where can I find it? |
| 15:14.59 | Jucato | dunno.. that's why I said try to find one :) |
| 15:15.08 | aimee | oh, I'll try |
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| 15:15.25 | Jucato | aimee: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/faq.php#005.faq |
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| 15:16.05 | SuN | sredna: works for me. |
| 15:16.12 | sredna | SuN: In konqueror? |
| 15:16.20 | SuN | Oh, I'm using Opera. |
| 15:16.27 | sredna | Hm |
| 15:16.33 | Jucato | sredna: worksforme |
| 15:16.39 | sredna | Jucato: In konqueror? |
| 15:16.40 | SuN | Can't check with konqueror because I have a 64bit version, unfortunately. |
| 15:16.41 | Jucato | yep |
| 15:16.50 | sredna | Hm, oddly it doesn't for me |
| 15:17.02 | Jucato | flash 9 beta 2 from kubuntu, konqueror/kde from svn |
| 15:17.10 | sredna | There are some sites that refuses to work when flash is not on pr default |
| 15:17.48 | sredna | But flash on is horror, flash adds makes the web surfing unbearable |
| 15:17.52 | sredna | :-( |
| 15:18.08 | MinceR | flash ads are the most bearable appearances of flash |
| 15:18.16 | MinceR | flash is the cancer of the web |
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| 15:18.26 | SuN | Haha, I said the same thing just yesterday. |
| 15:18.32 | SuN | Sad thing is, it's true. |
| 15:18.57 | Jucato | sad thing is, unless there comes an alternative, flash will be here to stay... |
| 15:19.11 | MinceR | afaik there is an alternative |
| 15:19.19 | MinceR | or rather, there are multiple alternatives |
| 15:19.25 | n8k99 | sredna does not work for me |
| 15:19.29 | sredna | MinceR: Agreed, I hate flash too, unfortunately some webmasters can't understand that |
| 15:19.41 | Jucato | MinceR: like? |
| 15:19.54 | Jucato | I'm talking not about the flash player, but the Flash abilities/features/IDE |
| 15:20.05 | SuN | It's not so much the concept I hate, it's 1) the way people structurally abuse it and 2) Adobe's poor support for anything other than 32bit Windows |
| 15:20.11 | MinceR | Jucato: for vector graphics -- svg+javascript (perhaps even smil); for movies, mpeg |
| 15:20.18 | MinceR | etc. |
| 15:20.20 | sredna | Jucato: 99% of the content displayed as flash could either be left out with benefit, or displayed as regular HTML |
| 15:20.36 | MinceR | indeed |
| 15:21.02 | SuN | That's especially true for that little image browser you posted :) |
| 15:21.17 | aimee | jucato, do you know how to install flashplayer and shockwave plugin for konqueror? |
| 15:21.17 | SuN | Like, if it doesn't have any swirl effects, why use Flash? |
| 15:21.19 | MinceR | 99% percent of all web content is only there to slow down browsing and make it inconvenient |
| 15:21.19 | sredna | SuN: A typical example |
| 15:21.24 | n8k99 | it does have a name that marketing people can remember when they are brainstorming their hext advertising campaign |
| 15:21.30 | aimee | I'm using 64 bit version of konqueror |
| 15:21.32 | Jucato | yes, for minimalist browsing, HTML/CSS would do... |
| 15:21.36 | MinceR | marketing people suck. |
| 15:21.49 | SuN | Well it does have some advantages, especially for developers. |
| 15:21.51 | MinceR | for minimalist browsing, html 1.0 would do. |
| 15:21.58 | Jucato | heh |
| 15:22.01 | SuN | It's a lot easier than html, and it looks the same everywhere. |
| 15:22.11 | bline | lynx |
| 15:22.11 | Jucato | aimee: you'd have to ask in #fedora |
| 15:22.13 | sredna | SuN: My bet is that they use flash to make it harder for people to steal content, which is of course stupid, as the size of images makes them useless for anything but a simple view in a HTML page. |
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| 15:22.52 | SuN | Hm, and there's still printscreen. Though I guess most Joes User don't have a clue on how to do that. |
| 15:22.53 | aimee | sorry again, ;-) jucato |
| 15:22.57 | bline | I always thought they used flash for movies so you couldn't steal them |
| 15:23.20 | Jucato | how about interactivity? like games? |
| 15:24.13 | SuN | I have structurally boycotted Java applets for years, to the point that java applets are pretty much non-existent, but now I realize it would probably have been the better alternative. |
| 15:24.21 | SuN | !idea! |
| 15:24.43 | SuN | How about an open source IDE that can do what Flash can do, but compiles it to a java applet instead? |
| 15:24.46 | sredna | Hm, I can't convince that site to work |
| 15:24.53 | sredna | Nor youtube btw |
| 15:25.06 | SuN | Can you get any Flash to work? |
| 15:25.20 | sredna | I wonder if there is something wrong with the kubuntu installation |
| 15:25.30 | sredna | Yes, in most other places I can get flash to work |
| 15:25.33 | n8k99 | I have flash9 for linux from adobe installed- but have only been able to get tit work in firefox |
| 15:25.49 | SuN | It's Linux, it's not often that an entire installation is busted. |
| 15:25.58 | MinceR | i think the entire idea of putting all those things into a rectangle managed by a plugin is wrong |
| 15:26.08 | MinceR | it leads to really dodgy layouts too |
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| 15:26.49 | SuN | ALl depends on how you use it. |
| 15:27.00 | sredna | Well, the big tennis tournaments websites are produced by IBM, and the still design them to fit a 480x640 px screen :o |
| 15:27.08 | SuN | What we really needed was a W3C standard for this, like 10 years ago. |
| 15:30.48 | sredna | Sigh. Those images aren't even really worth watching. |
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| 15:31.03 | annma | Amelie is out anyway, sredna |
| 15:31.42 | sredna | annma: Unfortunately. And henin didn't even start if I'm not wrong. But hingis is in there, which is funny :-) |
| 15:32.10 | annma | yes |
| 15:32.14 | sredna | Though she's not a bit french |
| 15:32.24 | annma | lol, no |
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| 15:39.20 | aimee | bye, jucato, I'm gonna go to bed |
| 15:39.27 | aimee | goodnight jucato |
| 15:39.47 | Jucato | bye aimee |
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| 15:45.19 | geemark | when using xinerama in KDE 3.5, and I maximize a window on one screen, it uses the whole screen, including the space behind KDE taskbar making the bottom invisible- however the other screen is fine - any clues to how to fix this? |
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| 16:08.47 | Dr_willis | the screens are the same resolution? |
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| 16:10.00 | MetaMorfoziS | is there a way to insert special htmlcharacters from kate? (so i want a kate plugin or feature or etc)? |
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| 16:10.11 | MetaMorfoziS | the same as with colors |
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| 16:11.47 | sredna | MetaMorfoziS: Which special characters? |
| 16:12.02 | MetaMorfoziS | i wanna something lik e in quanta |
| 16:12.18 | sredna | Like what? |
| 16:12.30 | MetaMorfoziS | the css toolbar (with the color chooser) and an other toolbar with a dialog |
| 16:12.35 | MetaMorfoziS | for isnert specialhtmlcharacters |
| 16:12.49 | sredna | We haven't got that |
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| 16:13.04 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm sad:/ |
| 16:13.07 | sredna | You can use the snippet plugin to define entities |
| 16:13.27 | sredna | Or write a javascript that translates some characters in your text to HTML entities |
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| 16:13.54 | MetaMorfoziS | javascript? |
| 16:13.59 | MetaMorfoziS | in kate?:) |
| 16:14.02 | sredna | MetaMorfoziS: Yes |
| 16:14.07 | MetaMorfoziS | l0l |
| 16:14.42 | MetaMorfoziS | okay i check that later |
| 16:14.49 | MetaMorfoziS | lol.. js pluginning:) |
| 16:15.18 | sredna | You can write scripts that can access the document, and execute them from kates command line. It a new feature, so it's not very advanced yet, but writing a script that translates some characters to HTML entities wouldn't be very hard |
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| 16:16.12 | MetaMorfoziS | okay |
| 16:16.37 | sredna | Alternatively, writing a plugin that inserts text from toolbar buttons defined in a config file wouldn't be hard to write either, if you have a little C++/KDE knowledge |
| 16:17.13 | MetaMorfoziS | not yet, i'm a webdeveloper only, actually |
| 16:17.36 | MetaMorfoziS | but i' have a little python, bash and i'm learning java, actually |
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| 16:30.54 | Lexus^ | yo, is there a way to use the copy dialog in bash scripting? |
| 16:31.09 | annma | copy dislog from where? |
| 16:31.14 | annma | dialog |
| 16:31.15 | sredna | Lexus^: Which copy dialog? |
| 16:31.24 | Lexus^ | the one that konqueror uses |
| 16:31.29 | Lexus^ | for copying files |
| 16:31.37 | sredna | Yes |
| 16:31.44 | Lexus^ | how? :D |
| 16:32.21 | sredna | Lexus^: Try kfmclient ;) |
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| 16:33.15 | Tm_T | Hi annma :) |
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| 16:36.07 | Lexus^ | sredna: tnx |
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| 16:37.08 | piratepenguin | what does kde use for mapping mime types to applications? instead of defaults.list...? |
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| 16:43.22 | sredna | piratepenguin: File associations in kde control center |
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| 16:45.06 | piratepenguin | sredna, where in the filesystem? ;) |
| 16:45.22 | joey_ | hi |
| 16:45.48 | piratepenguin | hello |
| 16:45.59 | joey_ | wat u up to?? |
| 16:46.12 | sebbar | hi, can kde applications use a gstreamer backend? |
| 16:46.26 | joey_ | i think so |
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| 16:47.42 | sredna | piratepenguin: The data are stored in applications .desktop files, which kde parse at startup to build a database for fast querying |
| 16:47.57 | sredna | piratepenguin: According to the freedesktop.org standards |
| 16:48.07 | Lexus^ | sebbar: amarok can/could |
| 16:48.10 | piratepenguin | sredna, then why isn't it standard with gnome? |
| 16:48.15 | annma | sebbar: depends what kde apps |
| 16:48.22 | sredna | sebbar: Yes, kmplayer for example supports gstreamer |
| 16:48.24 | annma | and depends what gstreamer version |
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| 16:48.40 | sredna | piratepenguin: If gnome follows the standard, it is |
| 16:48.50 | Christian_IS | how much RAM needs kde 2.2 ? |
| 16:48.51 | annma | piratepenguin: it is |
| 16:48.55 | sebbar | what about kaffeine? |
| 16:49.07 | sredna | Christian_IS: More than kde 3.x |
| 16:49.11 | annma | kaffeine is a Xine front end I think |
| 16:49.15 | piratepenguin | annma, are you sure? I guess my versions are too old.. |
| 16:49.28 | annma | piratepenguin: I think they use it, yes |
| 16:49.44 | annma | piratepenguin: version of what? |
| 16:49.55 | Jucato | afaik, amarok can no longer user gstreamer... |
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| 16:50.13 | annma | it cannot use the latest, no |
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| 16:50.23 | Jucato | ah |
| 16:50.33 | Sho_ | 1.4.0-1.4.4 have no GStreamer engine |
| 16:50.44 | Jucato | Sho_!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:50.47 | Sho_ | It's not packaged because it's broken and unmaintained |
| 16:50.55 | Sho_ | There appears to be a new engine in the works, however |
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| 16:51.25 | Sho_ | Jucato!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) |
| 16:51.27 | sebbar | is there a general tendency to move to gstreamer backends or not at all? |
| 16:51.43 | annma | sebbar: the general tendency is to use what the user has |
| 16:51.47 | annma | see Phonon |
| 16:51.48 | Jucato | sebbar: KDE 4 will no longer be tied down to a single backend |
| 16:51.50 | annma | for KDE4 |
| 16:51.54 | Sho_ | sebbar: KDE 4's multimedia framework Phonon will have a GStreamer backend developed by Fluendo |
| 16:52.18 | annma | moving to gstreamer only would be a hassle for most users |
| 16:52.22 | Jucato | hm... Fluendo.. |
| 16:52.31 | sebbar | I see. Sounds good |
| 16:52.35 | Sho_ | Jucato: The company behind GStreamer |
| 16:52.48 | annma | when users have gstreamer, kde4 will use it, otherwise it will use Xine or whatever |
| 16:52.52 | Jucato | Sho_: the one who's also going to make some codecs legally available? |
| 16:53.05 | Sho_ | Jucato: Yes, in binary form |
| 16:53.11 | Jucato | ah... |
| 16:53.13 | sebbar | Jucato: they already do provide them |
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| 16:53.30 | annma | sebbar: are you a gstreamer devel? |
| 16:53.53 | sebbar | annma: nope |
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| 16:58.51 | mein_traum | http://mibssam.free.fr/ |
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| 16:59.37 | gourdin | hi there |
| 16:59.52 | gourdin | I got an inbox (kmail) containing 1500+ messages |
| 17:00.11 | gourdin | If I select all of them and apply my filters, it filer one message/sec approx |
| 17:00.24 | annma | mein_traum: no spam here please |
| 17:00.32 | gourdin | It was faster before |
| 17:00.36 | gourdin | anyone got a clue ? |
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| 17:00.44 | Theory | gourdin: do your filters include some kind of spam check? |
| 17:00.45 | annma | #kontact |
| 17:01.22 | Theory | as this is often slow |
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| 17:02.40 | gourdin | Theory: I check if a mail contains a spam level |
| 17:03.03 | gourdin | perhaps kmail apply spamassassin automaticaly when applying my filters... |
| 17:03.07 | gourdin | i'll check that |
| 17:04.38 | gourdin | Theory: you are right |
| 17:04.47 | gourdin | spam wizard added some filters |
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| 17:05.19 | gourdin | better without |
| 17:05.21 | gourdin | thx Theory |
| 17:05.27 | dasnihil | hi there |
| 17:05.46 | Jucato | ~root |
| 17:05.47 | apt | root is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
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| 17:06.14 | Dr_willis | Just changing your NICK does not count. :) |
| 17:06.19 | dasnihil | I try to install anythingon this shitty machine but I cannot cos it says me I have to install libstdc++5.so |
| 17:06.27 | dasnihil | how can I do this? |
| 17:06.32 | Dr_willis | dasnihil, what disrto? |
| 17:06.34 | annma | dasnihil: ask in your distro channel |
| 17:06.39 | dasnihil | gentoo |
| 17:06.49 | Dr_willis | Good luck.... |
| 17:06.56 | annma | #gentoo |
| 17:07.02 | annma | and good luck too |
| 17:07.03 | Dr_willis | emerge whatever should install the latest stuff... |
| 17:07.16 | Jucato | #gentoo or #gentoo-kde |
| 17:07.24 | Dr_willis | but libstdc is like one of the core libs for linux isent it? |
| 17:07.36 | pinotree | yep |
| 17:07.49 | Dr_willis | so updating it may mean having to update verything else as well. |
| 17:07.51 | pinotree | he probably has a some libs mismatch |
| 17:09.07 | piratepenguin | annma, GNOME 2.12 and KDE 3.4 |
| 17:09.20 | annma | kde 3.4 is old |
| 17:09.26 | piratepenguin | heh |
| 17:09.30 | annma | not sure it has proper .desktop files |
| 17:09.31 | Jucato | :O |
| 17:09.39 | annma | it was before Free Desktop I think |
| 17:09.51 | annma | gnome I have no idea |
| 17:10.21 | annma | piratepenguin: what specific problem do you have?* |
| 17:10.59 | annma | Jucato: I have already 37 slides for my presentation! |
| 17:11.11 | Jucato | annma: yay!!! |
| 17:11.33 | dasnihil | where could I find that libraries? on #gentoo nobody anwers me |
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| 17:11.52 | annma | dasnihil: what do you want to install? |
| 17:11.59 | pinotree | dasnihil: do you know the meaning of the word "patience"? |
| 17:12.02 | annma | give us an example |
| 17:12.12 | dasnihil | libstdc++5.so |
| 17:12.22 | piratepenguin | annma, I want nautilus and konqueror to open mp3s using the same player, for example.. it's just a theory thing |
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| 17:12.36 | annma | you want to install libstdc++5.so??? |
| 17:12.50 | Kyral | Anyone good with PHP in here (random question) |
| 17:12.51 | dasnihil | I well know pinotree so much |
| 17:12.52 | annma | piratepenguin: these are mime types |
| 17:12.59 | dasnihil | I wish I can do it |
| 17:13.01 | annma | you want to install libstdc++5.so dasnihil ??? |
| 17:13.16 | dasnihil | ja |
| 17:13.19 | annma | dasnihil: this is not a program |
| 17:13.21 | pinotree | dasnihil: it seems you have some libraries mismatches, and only in #gentoo they can solve that |
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| 17:13.29 | dasnihil | if any god let me |
| 17:13.31 | pinotree | some _base_ library mismatch |
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| 17:14.02 | annma | dasnihil: Gentoo is not very easy, are you a beginner in Linux? |
| 17:14.36 | piratepenguin | annma, ah, I found http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmime_2dactions_2dspec :) |
| 17:14.37 | annma | piratepenguin: I am not sure how .desktop files will help you in that case |
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| 17:15.17 | annma | ah mime-types are done in .desktop too |
| 17:15.35 | annma | piratepenguin: however thsi might not work on your "oldish" KDE |
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| 17:15.56 | piratepenguin | yeah |
| 17:16.21 | annma | ok dinner time |
| 17:16.21 | piratepenguin | well, I'm sorted now anyhow. The specs are still in the works |
| 17:16.29 | annma | piratepenguin: :) |
| 17:16.39 | annma | free desktop is an excellent thing |
| 17:16.43 | piratepenguin | it is |
| 17:16.50 | annma | we're totally in it in KDE |
| 17:17.08 | annma | ok, time to freely cook something |
| 17:17.14 | piratepenguin | heh |
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| 17:28.24 | shadowdarts | KDE rules |
| 17:28.34 | Twey | Does anyone remember the Marble style for KDE? |
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| 17:28.36 | Kyral | amen brother |
| 17:28.47 | Twey | Is that still around, or did it die off somewhere with KDE 2.0? |
| 17:29.05 | shadowdarts | I dunno how anyone could say KDE sucks |
| 17:29.09 | shadowdarts | it's the perfect DE |
| 17:29.28 | Kyral | Its like the political parties :P |
| 17:29.33 | Renze | Twey: it was more a Qt style, and I think it has been deprecated |
| 17:29.42 | Kyral | Frankly I like Fluxbox for low end systems :D |
| 17:29.44 | Twey | Ah, that's a shame. |
| 17:29.46 | shadowdarts | what is awesome is how people even made kde |
| 17:29.49 | shadowdarts | took talent |
| 17:29.51 | shadowdarts | I wish i could do that |
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| 17:30.47 | MrPrise | hello |
| 17:31.16 | PhilRod | shadowdarts: you can! there are lots of ways to get involved - not just coding |
| 17:31.18 | MrPrise | can I ask cmake question here? |
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| 17:31.33 | PhilRod | MrPrise: #cmake is probably a better place, but if it's to do with kde, try us |
| 17:31.37 | shadowdarts | I cant make crap |
| 17:31.41 | shadowdarts | i'm newb |
| 17:31.53 | PhilRod | everyone has to start somewhere :-) |
| 17:32.00 | Kyral | Start with Service Menus |
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| 17:32.08 | Kyral | and shell scripts |
| 17:32.09 | shadowdarts | service menus? |
| 17:32.16 | MrPrise | PhilRod, well, which kde project uses cmake and glib? ;-) I need some example how to detect glib |
| 17:32.16 | Jucato | Konqueror service menus |
| 17:32.21 | Jucato | context menus |
| 17:32.21 | Kyral | Those right click menus |
| 17:32.56 | PhilRod | MrPrise: I have a feeling kdelibs or kdebase does, but I'm not sure. #cmake is probably the best place for your question |
| 17:32.59 | PhilRod | ~servicemenus |
| 17:33.00 | apt | from memory, servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html |
| 17:33.16 | shadowdarts | I can make a right click menu? |
| 17:33.20 | Jucato | that tutorial, though old, still works. I've tried it |
| 17:33.26 | Kyral | shadowdarts: Yah its easy |
| 17:33.28 | Jucato | shadowdarts: the right-click context menus in Konqueror |
| 17:33.29 | shadowdarts | thats so cool |
| 17:33.37 | shadowdarts | I want to help KDE out if i can |
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| 17:34.01 | Kyral | and you can make simple GUI apps with KDialog |
| 17:34.08 | serishema | hi, is it true that if a develop an application for KDE it has to be released as GPL because the QT libraries are GPL? |
| 17:34.09 | Kyral | (God I love KDialog...) |
| 17:34.21 | Kyral | GPL compliant |
| 17:34.51 | serishema | what's the difference between being GPL compliant and being released under the GPL? |
| 17:35.11 | Kyral | GPL compliant means the license basically says the same things as the GPL |
| 17:36.00 | Kyral | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses |
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| 17:36.26 | Jucato | guess you meant GPL compatible |
| 17:36.31 | Kyral | yah |
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| 17:39.12 | expose | Hi |
| 17:39.34 | serishema | heh. KDevelop is just like visual studio but far less anoying, i've never used it before. |
| 17:40.48 | Kyral | serishema: You just described every IDE on Linux with that statement (sans KDevelop) |
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| 17:44.27 | alaQ | Kyral: i dunno.. there are some that make you jump through hoops. just give me Kate, and I'm happy. |
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| 17:46.06 | serishema | haha. |
| 17:46.17 | serishema | In my previous linux programming i've just used eaither kate or emacs. |
| 17:46.32 | serishema | but then i decided i wanted to make GUI applications, real ones that don't use java for the GUI. |
| 17:46.32 | Renze | kate or vim for me |
| 17:47.27 | Renze | still? |
| 17:47.39 | Renze | tried sleeping... too humid |
| 17:47.54 | Jucato | oh... |
| 17:47.57 | Jucato | so you just woke up |
| 17:48.33 | Renze | sort of... been dozing/trying to sleep/whatever for hours |
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| 17:56.26 | Dr_willis | Hmm.. wanting to burn a cue/bin with k3b. i recall ages ago there was some trick obscure menu item to get it to do it. and i forget how. :) or has k3b gotten a little smarter now? |
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| 17:57.15 | Dr_willis | Oh wait.. it figured it out. :) cool.. |
| 17:57.24 | Dr_willis | Hurray for Progress. |
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| 17:57.32 | Lexus^ | hm, my kicker is not completly transparent, it has like a small border around it. anyway to make it completly transparent? :) |
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| 18:07.06 | dny | how is the name of the kde component for the systray? |
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| 18:08.20 | pinotree | dny: ? |
| 18:08.48 | thiago | ksystray |
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| 18:09.23 | Renze | dny: systemtray_panelapplet.so ? |
| 18:10.12 | dny | problem is i want to emerge only that special component (i am using gentoo) but i do not know which packet i should emerge |
| 18:10.21 | Renze | dny: you can't |
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| 18:10.37 | dny | y? |
| 18:10.47 | Renze | because it isn't split up that finely in gentoo |
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| 18:11.02 | mebsd | how do i change resolution? |
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| 18:11.38 | dny | so in which package is it? |
| 18:11.42 | mebsd | i want to use 1280x800 on my x window, it's not in it |
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| 18:12.09 | Renze | mebsd: fix your xorg.conf |
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| 18:13.14 | Renze | dny: the library for the system tray applet is in 'kicker' |
| 18:13.22 | dny | ok thx |
| 18:13.24 | Renze | dny: if you're using split ebuilds |
| 18:13.40 | pinotree | ~split-ebuilds |
| 18:13.42 | apt | If you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module. |
| 18:14.30 | mebsd | i fixed xorg.conf, how to restart X ith kde? |
| 18:14.37 | mebsd | i login with kdm |
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| 18:14.51 | Renze | mebsd: log out, press ctrl-alt-backspace to force an X reset, then log in again |
| 18:15.10 | mebsd | but it's kdm |
| 18:15.14 | Renze | so? |
| 18:15.17 | sredna | mebsd: Log out, and use the menu item to restart the X server in KDM. |
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| 18:15.46 | sidvicius | when kde 4.0 will exit? |
| 18:15.46 | mebsd | in menu of kdm, only says shutdown |
| 18:15.53 | Renze | sidvicius: when it's ready |
| 18:16.07 | Renze | mebsd: then try ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:16.16 | sidvicius | but do you have a date aprox? |
| 18:16.25 | sredna | 2007 |
| 18:16.26 | pinotree | sidvicius: no |
| 18:16.28 | Renze | sidvicius: the closest we can say is second half of this year |
| 18:16.29 | sredna | :-) |
| 18:16.48 | sidvicius | i goes to many conferences about kde 4.0 |
| 18:17.12 | sidvicius | and all people said .. the aprox date for kde 4.0 will be the first or second month of 2007 |
| 18:17.20 | Renze | things change |
| 18:17.29 | Renze | deadlines are never carved in stone |
| 18:17.48 | sidvicius | i only wait for the realease to change my desktop :) |
| 18:17.50 | Renze | it is a large project |
| 18:19.01 | sidvicius | i think kde 4.0 will change linux :) |
| 18:19.10 | mebsd | ..to windows? |
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| 18:19.20 | Renze | wash your mouth out! |
| 18:19.31 | mebsd | hey how do i restart kdm |
| 18:19.33 | thiago | sidvicius: KDE 4 will be released this year. |
| 18:19.35 | thiago | sidvicius: or not. |
| 18:19.37 | sidvicius | will change GUI |
| 18:19.42 | thiago | sidvicius: that's the best we can do. |
| 18:19.48 | sidvicius | :) |
| 18:19.52 | Renze | mebsd: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:20.16 | piratepenguin | so we should be seeing beta releases of 4.0 soon? |
| 18:20.19 | mebsd | well, the new XF86Config don't take effect |
| 18:20.54 | Renze | mebsd: check your log and see if the resolution you want was rejected or not |
| 18:21.25 | mebsd | where is the log? |
| 18:21.33 | Renze | in /var/log, of course |
| 18:21.46 | Renze | unless *bsd is radically different |
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| 18:22.33 | thiago | piratepenguin: depends on your definition of soon |
| 18:22.38 | thiago | piratepenguin: is "December 2007" soon? |
| 18:23.02 | piratepenguin | thiago, oh, I thought it's planned to be released stable in 2007 |
| 18:23.18 | thiago | piratepenguin: no, it's not planned. |
| 18:23.24 | Renze | piratepenguin: there is not an official release date |
| 18:23.25 | thiago | piratepenguin: it may be released in 2007. It may not. |
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| 18:23.50 | thiago | piratepenguin: december 2007 for betas is a good target date as any. |
| 18:24.05 | thiago | I know it's not February. Other than that, it's too soon to tell. |
| 18:24.09 | Renze | personally I'd prefer June... but that's just me :D |
| 18:24.51 | piratepenguin | heh |
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| 18:28.38 | Red_Cloud | How much space in a partition is required to install a KDE system? |
| 18:28.40 | Red_Cloud | How much space in a partition is required to install a KDE system? |
| 18:28.55 | thiago | that depends on who built that KDE and for what platform it was built. |
| 18:29.06 | thiago | mine takes 700 MB, with debugging, on i386 |
| 18:30.10 | PhilRod | mine is 2.4GB, but I think there's probably lots of junk in there :-) |
| 18:30.23 | thiago | does that answer your question? |
| 18:30.49 | Red_Cloud | I have installed the Linux From Scratch system and have 8Gb in the partition. I have just ran out of disk space! |
| 18:31.02 | thiago | oh, you're building KDE |
| 18:31.13 | thiago | my sources are 4 GB in size, plus 2 GB of build dir |
| 18:31.20 | Red_Cloud | yep That takes more space? |
| 18:31.25 | thiago | and another 700MB for installation |
| 18:31.29 | mebsd | how do i set volumn control? |
| 18:31.33 | thiago | mebsd: in kmix |
| 18:31.35 | Renze | mebsd: kmix |
| 18:32.07 | dny | well i had that systray all the time, but no icons are displayed there. do i need to setup something in control center for that systray? |
| 18:32.13 | mebsd | thanks |
| 18:32.18 | thiago | dny: no |
| 18:32.20 | Red_Cloud | OK where should I start making some room on my partition? |
| 18:32.29 | thiago | dny: just make sure the applet is active in your panel |
| 18:32.30 | Renze | dny: no, it should work as long as you have the applet in your panel |
| 18:32.35 | thiago | dny: add it if it isn't |
| 18:32.44 | dny | it is on my panel |
| 18:32.46 | thiago | Red_Cloud: or you should use pre-built sources |
| 18:32.49 | dny | but nothing is displayed there |
| 18:32.54 | thiago | Red_Cloud: KDE takes a LOT of disk space to build. |
| 18:32.55 | mebsd | how to display batter status? |
| 18:33.13 | thiago | Red_Cloud: and I'm not even talking about the rest of the necessary stuff, like X11 headers and Qt |
| 18:33.23 | Renze | mebsd: kcontrol -> power control -> laptop battery |
| 18:33.29 | thiago | Red_Cloud: an alternative is to build less than a full set of KDE |
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| 18:33.36 | Renze | mebsd: tick "show battery monitor" |
| 18:33.45 | Red_Cloud | thiago I have it installed but now ran out of room while adding screensavers, artwork, etc. |
| 18:34.14 | thiago | Red_Cloud: clear your built sources and objects then, before moving on to the next |
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| 18:34.21 | thiago | Red_Cloud: once installed, sources serve no purpose. |
| 18:34.31 | shantanoo | yelp :) |
| 18:34.56 | shantanoo | on kopete 0.11.3, can i have conference with y! protocol |
| 18:34.58 | Red_Cloud | thiago I have done so with the build directories but did not delete the tars. I will go back and start clearing some space. |
| 18:35.04 | thiago | shantanoo: upgrade to 0.12.4 |
| 18:35.15 | shantanoo | thiago: thanks :D |
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| 18:35.28 | thiago | shantanoo: I did not say it supports that. I have never used YIM. |
| 18:35.36 | thiago | shantanoo: I'm just saying upgrading is a good idea overall. |
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| 18:35.59 | andred | shantanoo: it indeed is supported in 0.12 series |
| 18:36.03 | shantanoo | thiago: i am using kopete from freebsd 6.2-r |
| 18:36.27 | dny | all the programs, gaim, kaffeine, etc. do not use the systray. does anyone know that problem? i could not find help at google so far... |
| 18:36.30 | shantanoo | anyone has precompile package for that? |
| 18:36.45 | shantanoo | dny: gaim can use systray |
| 18:37.52 | dny | shantanoo: problem is it does not use it... |
| 18:37.58 | Renze | dny: the systray works fine in gentoo here |
| 18:38.11 | thiago | shantanoo: build from ports |
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| 18:39.15 | shantanoo | thiago: any specific dependencies? |
| 18:39.29 | shantanoo | i don't want to recompile kde |
| 18:39.46 | thiago | shantanoo: well, the kde libraries' headers |
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| 18:40.11 | slyfox | Question about firefox. When you download a file and you see it completed - you can right click and select - open destination directory. How come this does not work in Linux but does in windows ? |
| 18:40.17 | shantanoo | :(( |
| 18:40.24 | shantanoo | its getting kdenetwork |
| 18:40.25 | Renze | slyfox: firefox is not a KDE app and will not be supported here |
| 18:40.27 | PhilRod | slyfox: EWRONGCHANNEL |
| 18:40.52 | slyfox | PhilRod: huh ? |
| 18:40.56 | shantanoo | thiago: kdenetwork 3.5.5 has .12 |
| 18:41.01 | mebsd | weird, i have no power control in control panel |
| 18:41.10 | slyfox | Renze: So there is no way it will do that? How come it works in Gnome ? |
| 18:41.17 | Renze | slyfox: firefox is not a KDE app and will not be supported here |
| 18:41.24 | PhilRod | slyfox: your question was addressed to the wrong channel - best to ask in #firefox |
| 18:41.34 | Renze | slyfox: firefox considers itself a Gnome app |
| 18:41.35 | slyfox | Uh, sorry |
| 18:41.58 | slyfox | but it is just that whnever I go to a channel and ask this question peopppe redirect me to another channel |
| 18:41.59 | thiago | shantanoo: that's the one |
| 18:42.10 | Renze | slyfox: then go to the right channel first ;) |
| 18:42.11 | thiago | shantanoo: 0.12.4 will be released this week, along with KDE 3.5.6 |
| 18:42.40 | shantanoo | thiago: can i just compile .12 in my home dir? |
| 18:43.20 | mebsd | so how do i get battery status in kde 3.5.4, i have no "power control" in control center |
| 18:43.48 | thiago | shantanoo: yes |
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| 18:44.12 | Renze | mebsd: sorry, I know nothing about *bsd or what things are called in ports |
| 18:44.30 | v011eyba11 | In Konqueror 3.5.5 on openSuSE 10.2, I used to have a "fly" icon in bottom right corner of status bar, indicating "this page has bugs in it"... I right-clicked and closed it. How do I get it to show again??? |
| 18:44.40 | animimotus | hi |
| 18:44.46 | animimotus | please, how can I switch the standard sound output to my headset usb? |
| 18:45.25 | sredna | v011eyba11: Try looking in the settings->configure extensions dialog |
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| 18:47.51 | v011eyba11 | I've got all extensions checked in configure/extensions... Doesn't seem to be there. |
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| 18:48.39 | PhilRod | it's the javascript indicator - if there's a setting, it's probably in the javascript settings somewhere |
| 18:49.20 | sredna | v011eyba11: Right, then I'm not sure |
| 18:51.01 | thiago | shantanoo: 0.12.3 is the latest, but it's only available as part of kdenetwork 3.5.5 |
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| 19:01.57 | slyfox | Is there any way to make it so that the virtual desktops do not share the same opened programs. Say I opend open office on desktop 1 and when I go to desktop 2, I do not what to see it, I want a clean desktop tere |
| 19:02.30 | thiago | they don't share desktops |
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| 19:02.34 | PhilRod | that's how it normally works |
| 19:02.44 | thiago | they may be sharing the taskbar, but only if you have "show programs from all desktops" enabled |
| 19:02.46 | LiquidNerd | slyfox: you mean the taskbar? |
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| 19:03.47 | slyfox | LiquidNerd: yes |
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| 19:04.38 | Christian_IS | lol kde.org calls a 600mhz pc a "slow machine" |
| 19:04.52 | PhilRod | control center -> desktop -> taskbar -> what thiago said |
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| 19:05.20 | PhilRod | slyfox: ^^^^ |
| 19:05.30 | annma | Christian_IS: and what woul dyou call it? |
| 19:05.39 | Christian_IS | a fast machine ^^ |
| 19:05.51 | annma | fast? |
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| 19:06.00 | Christian_IS | yow |
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| 19:06.24 | annma | maybe fast for you but compared to standards it's slow and outdated |
| 19:06.33 | annma | it's not sold anymore |
| 19:06.47 | annma | and I doubt KDE runs swiftly on it |
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| 19:07.12 | thiago | Christian_IS: a 600 MHz machine is at least 7 or 8 years old |
| 19:07.35 | thiago | Christian_IS: six years ago, I bought a machine with twice that clock |
| 19:07.37 | Christian_IS | beside me there is a 233mhz machine and behind me a 133mhz laptop ;) |
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| 19:07.48 | annma | Christian_IS: yes, do they run KDe? |
| 19:07.54 | Christian_IS | no |
| 19:08.00 | annma | see |
| 19:08.02 | thiago | I have such machines for servers. I don't run desktops on them. |
| 19:08.13 | Christian_IS | but 600mhz aren't "slow" |
| 19:08.14 | thiago | but, given enough RAM, KDE will run on a 600 MHz |
| 19:08.15 | annma | how much RAM for them Christian_IS ? |
| 19:08.26 | thiago | and turn off all eye candy |
| 19:08.28 | thiago | Christian_IS: yes, it is. |
| 19:08.31 | annma | yes, RAM is the trick |
| 19:08.36 | Christian_IS | annma, the 233 has over 300mb ram, the 133er has 32mb and icewm |
| 19:08.40 | thiago | Christian_IS: 1 GHz is borderline slow nowadays. |
| 19:08.49 | annma | the 233 is not a standard one |
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| 19:09.00 | annma | 300Mb RAM is a lot |
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| 19:09.13 | Christian_IS | i put in some RAM from my dadddy wich i stoled out of his PC |
| 19:09.14 | Christian_IS | ;D |
| 19:09.19 | slyfox | PhilRod: There is no taskbar option there |
| 19:09.38 | annma | Christian_IS: kde.org issues a generic statement for generic machines |
| 19:09.50 | annma | and for average users |
| 19:10.18 | annma | if you boost your machine with RAM and do some tweaking you'll run DKE |
| 19:10.21 | annma | KDE |
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| 19:10.53 | annma | my daughter has a Celeron laptop and it's damn slow |
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| 19:12.28 | Christian_IS | hmm moment, on the 133mhz laptop there is freebsd 4.2 with kde 1 on it |
| 19:12.51 | annma | ah KDE1 |
| 19:12.56 | annma | that makes sense |
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| 19:15.28 | Christian_IS | how can i configure xorg without starting the X server and not editing the xorg.conf ? |
| 19:15.45 | Christian_IS | on xfree86 it went with xfree86config |
| 19:15.49 | Christian_IS | no xf86config |
| 19:16.01 | slyfox | LiquidNerd: stil lcant find the options |
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| 19:35.20 | TobiG | hi, does anyone know the default player that the kde soundsystem is using ? |
| 19:35.37 | annma | per default it's using aRts |
| 19:35.39 | Shaman | NOATUN |
| 19:35.43 | annma | you can change it though |
| 19:36.14 | annma | for notifications, no? |
| 19:36.14 | TobiG | ah cheers |
| 19:36.26 | annma | you can set another player for notifications in KControl |
| 19:36.31 | TobiG | cheers I know |
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| 19:36.47 | TobiG | but want to make it work out of the box |
| 19:37.40 | SimAtWork | if only arts wasn't so terrible :( |
| 19:37.50 | TobiG | yep |
| 19:37.50 | annma | is it? |
| 19:37.58 | SimAtWork | i find it pretty well unbearable |
| 19:38.01 | annma | just don't use it |
| 19:38.05 | SimAtWork | yah, i don't |
| 19:38.10 | Shaman | arts isn't that bad |
| 19:38.10 | SimAtWork | but it's a good idea, i wish it did work :) |
| 19:38.16 | annma | it works for 90% people |
| 19:38.18 | Shaman | I have rarely had major issues with it |
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| 19:38.20 | SimAtWork | it locks up a lot |
| 19:38.27 | SimAtWork | or just stops responding |
| 19:38.32 | SimAtWork | amarok doesn't seem to play nice with it at all |
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| 19:38.42 | annma | depends where |
| 19:38.43 | Shaman | if it locks up a lot it's likely your hardware driver |
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| 19:38.50 | Lexus^ | can you even use arts with amarok? |
| 19:38.54 | annma | aRts always ran well on all my systems |
| 19:39.05 | Shaman | my solution to arts which fixes about 90% of isues is to set the time which arts lets go the driver to 1 second |
| 19:39.21 | Shaman | so when you stop juk/amarok/etc. it immediately lets go of the device |
| 19:40.04 | annma | Lexus^: i think latest amarok does not use it |
| 19:40.19 | Lexus^ | i have only xine in mine |
| 19:40.22 | Lexus^ | 1.44. |
| 19:40.23 | annma | anyway aRts won't be there in KDE4 |
| 19:40.24 | Lexus^ | *1.4.4 |
| 19:40.30 | annma | Lexus^: yes |
| 19:40.31 | Lexus^ | phonon plix :D |
| 19:40.38 | SimAtWork | phonon ++! |
| 19:40.39 | annma | exactly |
| 19:41.00 | Lexus^ | phonon is a much better approach imo |
| 19:41.01 | annma | phonon is not aRts replacement however |
| 19:41.30 | annma | what I hope is that it does not rely on too heavy stuff only |
| 19:41.48 | annma | we don't need gstreamer for sound notifications |
| 19:42.02 | Shaman | I still don't 100% understand how the new framework will operate |
| 19:42.08 | Shaman | But it sounds good to me so far |
| 19:42.24 | Lexus^ | like a layer between the app and the backend |
| 19:42.26 | annma | Shaman: it'll take what exists |
| 19:42.35 | annma | and manage it |
| 19:42.44 | Lexus^ | so the app doesnt have to care what backend its using |
| 19:42.47 | Shaman | it's working for me so I have no complaints at the moment |
| 19:42.51 | Lexus^ | i think :D |
| 19:43.21 | annma | Lexus^: yes, you think right |
| 19:43.30 | Lexus^ | :) |
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| 19:43.50 | Lexus^ | konsole needs to get composite support :( |
| 19:44.26 | SimAtWork | uh |
| 19:44.29 | SimAtWork | it has composite support |
| 19:44.32 | SimAtWork | i'm using it right now |
| 19:44.41 | Lexus^ | out of the box no? |
| 19:44.52 | Lexus^ | there is a package for ubuntu i think |
| 19:45.23 | Sho_ | The code to spawn an ARGB visual is #if 0'ed by default due to side-effects |
| 19:45.48 | Lexus^ | :( |
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| 19:47.02 | Christian_IS | where can i get kde 1 sources ? |
| 19:47.13 | Shaman | !! |
| 19:47.23 | Sho_ | Christian_IS: KDE anonsvn |
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| 19:47.57 | Renze | people still use KDE1?!? |
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| 19:48.38 | Sho_ | smileaf: Not with a recent gcc |
| 19:48.40 | AlexElliott | Maybe it's on an article about GUI history? :p |
| 19:48.43 | annma | branches/KDE/1.1/ |
| 19:49.08 | annma | you must have the distro accordingly |
| 19:49.30 | annma | autotools also probably will need to be low versions |
| 19:49.51 | smileaf | Sho_: surely the api's of things have changed also so even with an older gcc. |
| 19:49.51 | Shaman | probably won't compile against a modern C library or with modern tools |
| 19:50.02 | Christian_IS | not? :/ |
| 19:50.12 | annma | Christian_IS: what distro do you have? |
| 19:50.17 | Christian_IS | freebsd 6.2 |
| 19:50.24 | annma | and it has no KDE? |
| 19:50.28 | Christian_IS | it has kde |
| 19:50.31 | Christian_IS | but 3.5.4 |
| 19:50.34 | annma | what KDE? |
| 19:50.37 | annma | yeah |
| 19:50.43 | annma | so why do you want KDE1? |
| 19:50.45 | Christian_IS | and the machine has 32mb ram ;) |
| 19:51.02 | annma | what did you install so far on it? |
| 19:51.03 | Christian_IS | kde1 used 8mb ram when i correctly remember |
| 19:51.10 | Christian_IS | XFree86 |
| 19:51.16 | Christian_IS | 3.3.6 |
| 19:51.18 | annma | you have to use fluxbox |
| 19:51.27 | Christian_IS | no i had kde 1 on it some time ago |
| 19:51.44 | annma | from an old distro Christian_IS |
| 19:51.48 | Christian_IS | yes |
| 19:51.51 | Christian_IS | with freebsd 4.2 |
| 19:51.51 | annma | not from a current distro |
| 19:51.57 | annma | so reinstall that |
| 19:52.03 | Christian_IS | hmm but the fbsd 6.2 kernel is faster :/ |
| 19:52.03 | annma | get this freebsd* |
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| 19:52.12 | annma | you cannot mix it all |
| 19:52.23 | Shaman | good god |
| 19:52.24 | smileaf | unless you wanna patch the heck outta it =) |
| 19:52.27 | marin3 | is it possible to reset the kwallet password? |
| 19:52.29 | Shaman | freebsd 4.x as a desktop |
| 19:52.32 | marin3 | i forgot it |
| 19:53.09 | annma | Christian_IS: it won't work, that's all I can say, if you're good at compiling you migth try |
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| 19:54.38 | Christian_IS | ok |
| 19:54.39 | Christian_IS | thx |
| 19:56.19 | Christian_IS | hmm lol now im trying to run kde 3.5 on the 233mhz box (but it has over 300mb ram so it could run) |
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| 20:13.44 | lord_ceiphas | hi folks |
| 20:14.16 | marin3 | is it possible to reset the kwallet password? |
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| 20:14.39 | sredna | marin3: Try the kde control center |
| 20:15.04 | marin3 | k |
| 20:15.22 | lord_ceiphas | is there any possibility to teach quanta to add the date of the last saving into a file, so i can make pretty headers for my php-files? or more basically: is there a set of variables quanta interprets like date, filename and so on, that can be added into text-files? |
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| 20:16.59 | sredna | lord_ceiphas: Try in #quanta |
| 20:17.31 | lord_ceiphas | there is only one person and this one is idling, i am there too |
| 20:17.36 | sredna | lord_ceiphas: Or press F7 and type 'date<RETURN>' in the katepart command line |
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| 20:18.37 | lord_ceiphas | i want a placeholder in a template that prints me the current date and the filename when i use it.... |
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| 20:19.23 | lord_ceiphas | i do not want to type it for every file, because my project contains about 1200 files |
| 20:20.03 | sredna | lord_ceiphas: I do not know quanta templates |
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| 20:20.18 | lord_ceiphas | i know that kdevelop has this feature, but kdevelop cant handle php files well |
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| 20:21.39 | lord_ceiphas | im searching google and mailing lists for two months now... but i do not know what to search exactly, my english is not that good |
| 20:22.06 | lord_ceiphas | i know what i want, but cannot express it in english |
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| 20:23.05 | sredna | lord_ceiphas: I can understand what you want: Variables that are updated in the case of a document event (such as save) |
| 20:23.08 | lord_ceiphas | sredna: this is a part of the kdevelop project management... dunno if this is an extension |
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| 20:23.53 | sredna | lord_ceiphas: Well, its like RCS variables I guess. |
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| 20:24.01 | lord_ceiphas | yes, so i can create a template php file with a nice header (licence, author, filename, version bla bla) and if i use this template, the variables are filled |
| 20:24.15 | lord_ceiphas | what stands RCS forß |
| 20:24.18 | lord_ceiphas | ? |
| 20:24.33 | sredna | It wouldn't be hard to have katepart support that, although I'm not sure we have something like 'abouttosave' |
| 20:24.46 | lord_ceiphas | katepart? |
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| 20:26.09 | sredna | RCS is the traditional 'revision control system' present in most unix systems |
| 20:26.09 | lord_ceiphas | that savetime-thingy is not so important... |
| 20:26.10 | sredna | Katepart is the editor component used in kate, kwrite, kdevelop, quanta and many other apps |
| 20:26.11 | lord_ceiphas | ah |
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| 20:33.46 | Sebokie | hello, i would like to remove an icon from the systray in kde 3.5. it is a blank icon from a program that has been uninstalled |
| 20:34.25 | lord_ceiphas | sredna: look at this nice documentation... http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdevelop/kdevelop/newfiles.html#newfiles-edittemplates |
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| 20:34.42 | magicbronson | what's the kde equivalent of xmag? |
| 20:34.47 | Renze | kmag |
| 20:34.51 | magicbronson | thanks |
| 20:34.55 | lord_ceiphas | lol |
| 20:34.58 | Renze | it's in kdeaccessibility |
| 20:35.26 | lord_ceiphas | take the g or x off the command, replace it with a k and you get it 90% of the time |
| 20:35.28 | magicbronson | there's no kmag |
| 20:35.36 | magicbronson | apparently not this time |
| 20:35.39 | lord_ceiphas | install it first |
| 20:35.41 | Renze | magicbronson: it's part of kdeaccessibility |
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| 20:35.50 | magicbronson | Renze: oh ok |
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| 20:36.28 | lord_ceiphas | ^^ you call that "multiuser *lol* |
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| 20:40.24 | Sebokie | hello, i would like to remove an icon from the systray in kde 3.5. it is a blank icon from a program that has been uninstalled |
| 20:40.36 | Renze | Sebokie: kill the app? |
| 20:40.54 | Sebokie | i mean, for ever |
| 20:41.09 | Renze | Sebokie: the only way an icon can be in the system tray is if the app is running |
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| 20:41.33 | Sebokie | the app is uninstalled, but i still have a blank icon |
| 20:41.41 | Renze | then the app is still running |
| 20:41.43 | Renze | kill it |
| 20:42.21 | Sebokie | no, i have unmerged it |
| 20:42.23 | Christian_IS | hmm kde boots on the 233mhz box in about 20 secound |
| 20:42.30 | sredna | lord_ceiphas: That page contains (... to be written ...) |
| 20:42.33 | sredna | :\ |
| 20:42.34 | Renze | Sebokie: uninstalling does not quit any running instances |
| 20:42.39 | Sebokie | emerge -C knetworkmanager |
| 20:43.30 | lord_ceiphas | Sebokie: try to ps the running binary and kill it, then the icon will go away |
| 20:43.58 | sredna | $ killall <appname> |
| 20:44.27 | Sebokie | lord_ceiphas what do you mean? |
| 20:44.33 | lord_ceiphas | sredna: not always... i know many apps, where app-name and name of the binary difer |
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| 20:44.53 | sredna | :o |
| 20:45.03 | sredna | $ killall <binappname> |
| 20:45.16 | lord_ceiphas | Sebokie: $ ps -A |
| 20:45.31 | lord_ceiphas | find the running app, and use srednas command to kill it |
| 20:46.36 | Sebokie | i see it |
| 20:46.57 | Sebokie | killall 13972 ? |
| 20:47.05 | PhilRod | yup |
| 20:47.27 | PhilRod | though killall gives less chance of accidentally killing the wrong process |
| 20:47.37 | Sebokie | done |
| 20:47.39 | PhilRod | oh, sorry - misread what you said |
| 20:47.46 | Sebokie | the icon has gone |
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| 20:47.51 | PhilRod | ok |
| 20:48.16 | Sebokie | but do i have to reboot the system to see if it has gone for future sessions? |
| 20:48.21 | Renze | no |
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| 20:48.34 | Renze | if you have uninstalled it, it cannot start |
| 20:48.34 | Sebokie | or only ctrl alt back? |
| 20:48.37 | sredna | You just need a bit of trust :-) |
| 20:48.40 | Renze | nothing at all |
| 20:48.53 | Renze | get out of your Microsoft mindset |
| 20:49.02 | Sebokie | i have unmerged knetworkmanager |
| 20:49.17 | sredna | Furthermore, kde will not be able to save it as part of the session if it is not running |
| 20:49.32 | gdiebel | there must be a way to make the selected taskbar item in kicker more apparent. is there a way? |
| 20:49.52 | Sebokie | but a blank icon still shows, saying knetworkmanager is not running |
| 20:49.56 | Sebokie | lol |
| 20:50.19 | Renze | Sebokie: then find the process that is making the systray icon and kill it |
| 20:50.28 | Christian_IS | http://home.arcor.de/fearfreak//siggiberto.png |
| 20:50.39 | PhilRod | gdiebel: there are a couple of different appearance modes for the taskbar - you can set them in kcontrol |
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| 20:52.08 | gdiebel | PhilRod: I'm aware of the modes (elegant and classic) but with either one the selected taskbar item is just bolded text, it would be nice to change background to a different color to make it stand out, or at least do some highlighting |
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| 20:53.49 | PhilRod | AFAIK, the only settings are the ones you see in control center |
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| 20:57.49 | Sebokie | isn't there a file where all the links to the programs in the systray are stored? |
| 20:58.10 | Renze | Sebokie: no, because only RUNNING apps are in the systray |
| 20:58.14 | PhilRod | when you say systray, are you definitely referring to the same thing we're referring to? |
| 20:59.07 | Sebokie | i mean, the area where you have the little icons like the beryl diamond |
| 20:59.25 | Sebokie | barre de miniature in french |
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| 21:08.47 | animimotus | please, how can I switch the standard sound output to my headset usb? |
| 21:09.48 | PhilRod | animimotus: ask in #yourdistro |
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| 21:10.48 | animimotus | PhilRod: I asked to #kubuntu chan and #ubuntu-fr ... no one seems to have an answers |
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| 21:11.56 | animimotus | PhilRod: is it a checkbox in kde's configuration ? |
| 21:14.40 | PhilRod | I think you'd have to set it at the level of alsa, not kde |
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| 21:17.59 | animimotus | PhilRod: in alsamixer ? |
| 21:19.14 | animimotus | the input and output for the micro-headset are not mute, they works in visioconference application when I declare them |
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| 21:20.46 | archangelpetro | Renze, !!! |
| 21:21.01 | Renze | me!!! |
| 21:21.09 | archangelpetro | I fucked my exam up :'( |
| 21:21.15 | PhilRod | no idea sorry animimotus |
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| 21:21.38 | Renze | archangelpetro: exam? |
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| 21:21.58 | archangelpetro | yea |
| 21:22.01 | archangelpetro | on real time systems |
| 21:22.02 | animimotus | PhilRod: ok, thanks however ;) |
| 21:22.33 | Renze | archangelpetro: how well did you do on internal assessment, and what percentage is the exam worth? |
| 21:22.53 | archangelpetro | the exam is worth 1 module of my year (12 modules total) and the exam was worth 80% of that module. |
| 21:23.14 | Renze | archangelpetro: oops |
| 21:23.20 | archangelpetro | :( |
| 21:23.27 | archangelpetro | it was such a shit exam |
| 21:23.43 | Renze | for me, all exams are shit (I suffer from anxiety) |
| 21:23.58 | archangelpetro | me too, i suffer from total laziness |
| 21:24.05 | archangelpetro | i suppose i should probably start revising. |
| 21:25.21 | canllaith | morning |
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| 21:25.51 | PhilRod | hiya canllaith |
| 21:25.54 | canllaith | how's you today Renze ? |
| 21:25.56 | canllaith | gday PhilRod :) |
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| 21:28.43 | qupada | morning canllaith |
| 21:28.46 | Renze | canllaith: tired... humidity is making sleep difficult |
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| 21:29.48 | canllaith | Yeah, I slept really badly last night myself |
| 21:31.20 | SimAtWork | i'm trying to use the qt designer |
| 21:31.27 | SimAtWork | but no matter what, the "adjust size" does weird crap |
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| 21:31.33 | SimAtWork | any one know what it might be? |
| 21:31.58 | Fenix-Dark | with they go up to 3.5.9 before 4.0 is released? |
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| 21:32.41 | Renze | Fenix-Dark: KDE3 and KDE4 will likely coexist for some time |
| 21:32.47 | smileaf | hmm... I'm unsure but I think 3.5.6 is the last one. |
| 21:33.00 | PhilRod | Fenix-Dark: 3.5.x releases will continue as long as people are interested in working on them |
| 21:33.21 | Fenix-Dark | ah ok, so they're completely independant of eachother |
| 21:33.39 | PhilRod | my guess would be that they'll continue to be released at about the same rate as now until 4.0 is out. After that, who knows? |
| 21:34.09 | PhilRod | but there's not a specific plan one way or the other |
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| 21:54.50 | Lars_G | quick moronic question, is there any way to refresh the list of installed window decorations on the fly? |
| 21:55.17 | pinotree | kbuildsycoca may works |
| 21:55.35 | Lars_G | I'll try |
| 21:59.21 | jhutchins | Does KDE 3.5 still use arts for sound? I thought it switched to alsa a while back, or at lest was configurable. |
| 21:59.21 | Przemcio78 | i think there's gonna be kde 3.5.12 before kde 4 |
| 22:00.01 | Renze | jhutchins: KDE still ships with arts by default, but it can be made to work without it. I haven't used arts in three years or so. |
| 22:00.17 | thiago | of course, it's all your fault if it doesn't work :-) |
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| 22:00.26 | Przemcio78 | kde's devs should hurry up. gnome's popularity is rising rapidly |
| 22:00.32 | Renze | thiago: it works fine, thanks :P |
| 22:00.34 | lparry | Well there are still bugs in some KDE applications like konqueror that needs fixing. These may get fixed. |
| 22:00.49 | thiago | I meant "whoever uses KDE without aRts takes the responsibility if sound doesn't work" |
| 22:00.54 | thiago | the official sound server is aRts |
| 22:01.04 | lparry | Large companies rely on stability, therefore it will take time for them to even consider KDE 4. |
| 22:01.04 | thiago | Przemcio78: hurry up? |
| 22:01.13 | thiago | Przemcio78: I'm pretty hurried up already. What else? |
| 22:01.26 | thiago | lparry: those are getting fixed |
| 22:01.34 | thiago | lparry: 3.5.x isn't going end-of-life just yet |
| 22:01.38 | Przemcio78 | thiago: are you a developer? |
| 22:01.48 | thiago | Przemcio78: yes |
| 22:01.56 | lparry | that's what I meant - > poor english. a bad excuse |
| 22:02.18 | thiago | KDE 4 won't be deployed at any large installation until 2009 |
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| 22:02.36 | SimAtWork | maybe never |
| 22:02.40 | SimAtWork | why are we speculating on such things? |
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| 22:02.53 | lparry | Well it won't be the year of Linux desktops this year, unless gnome release version 3 |
| 22:02.57 | lparry | if that does ever happen |
| 22:03.09 | SimAtWork | linux desktop is going to be growing each year by a little bit |
| 22:03.16 | SimAtWork | i don't expect 100 million to adopt it all at once |
| 22:03.45 | lparry | Exactly, it is a bit annoying people saying this, it isn't as if Microsoft get wiped out from a Nuclear Bomb , same with Apple |
| 22:03.47 | Przemcio78 | it is the year of linux desktops, xfce4.4 is released |
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| 22:04.16 | Przemcio78 | you can't compare xfce to kde but the former makes a huge progress :) |
| 22:04.18 | Renze | lparry: so many people have no grasp at all on reality ;) |
| 22:04.32 | thiago | Przemcio78: of course xfce does |
| 22:04.35 | thiago | Przemcio78: and so does GNOME |
| 22:04.43 | thiago | Przemcio78: and KDE benefits indirectly from both |
| 22:04.46 | lparry | I used to be more optimistic, but I learnt the reality over my experience working on KDE |
| 22:04.53 | Przemcio78 | and so does kde, but we have to wait so long:/ |
| 22:05.05 | Renze | Przemcio78: it will be worth the wait |
| 22:05.07 | thiago | Przemcio78: in the greater scheme of things, we KDE developers don't care about GNOME gaining popularity. As long as free desktops are gaining, we're happy. |
| 22:05.38 | thiago | Przemcio78: we don't want to battle for 5% of the 1% that free desktops represent in the grand total. |
| 22:05.45 | thiago | when it's 10%, we'll talk |
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| 22:06.35 | lparry | The problem is confusion to newer users, i.e. people who use Windows if KDE and Gnome go in the same direction, they won't know what to choose |
| 22:07.05 | lparry | it is a good atleast they like to keep thing simple, whilst KDE gives you the freedom to choose every option possible |
| 22:07.42 | Przemcio78 | KDE was my first DE, but there are more and more people who associate gnome with how linux look like, owing to distros such us ubuntu |
| 22:07.57 | lparry | Ubuntu / Kubuntu, needs sorting out |
| 22:08.00 | thiago | Przemcio78: how about Kubuntu? And Mandriva? And OpenSUSE? |
| 22:08.25 | Przemcio78 | kubuntu users are usually those who saw kDE on some other distro already |
| 22:08.35 | thiago | but, like I said before, we don't really care in the grand scheme of things |
| 22:08.45 | lparry | Go on Kubuntu forums, it isn't exactly beginner friendly |
| 22:08.55 | thiago | let GNOME have 90% of the market if it's what it takes to get free desktops up to 10% |
| 22:09.07 | lparry | plus there isn't a big picture on ubuntu.com saying, difference between gnome / kde |
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| 22:09.15 | lparry | it is just 'another project' |
| 22:09.20 | thiago | lparry: I'm glad there isn't. |
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| 22:13.11 | canllaith | Gnome are not the enemy. Gnome are not our competitors. We are both working toward the same goal, which is to create alternatives to the proprietary monopoly. |
| 22:13.14 | canllaith | It really isn't a difficult concept. |
| 22:13.26 | icwiener | http://behindkde.org/people/hein/ Hmm? |
| 22:13.32 | canllaith | Why would we replace a monopoly with one of our own? |
| 22:13.49 | SimAtWork | canllaith: it's ok to compete on fair grounds |
| 22:13.53 | SSJ_GZ | icwiener:dannya is fixing the site. |
| 22:14.14 | icwiener | SSJ_GZ: Ok. |
| 22:14.56 | canllaith | what are people doing for lunch? Anyone want to meet in the CBD? |
| 22:15.01 | SSJ_GZ | The Great Desktop War is basically something that exists only in the minds of users. |
| 22:15.02 | canllaith | and maybe that would be more effective in the *right* IRC channel |
| 22:15.04 | SSJ_GZ | Not devs. |
| 22:15.18 | SimAtWork | either way |
| 22:15.23 | SimAtWork | i think we need some KDE Cheerleaders |
| 22:15.27 | SSJ_GZ | The Free desktop is still tiny and growing, so it's a long way from a zero-sum game. |
| 22:15.28 | SimAtWork | with the biggets hoots you ever did see. |
| 22:15.33 | canllaith | I do not. |
| 22:15.50 | SimAtWork | spoil sport :( |
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| 22:15.58 | SimAtWork | fine, lets just code more |
| 22:16.02 | SimAtWork | speaking of which |
| 22:16.05 | SimAtWork | i'm using qt designer |
| 22:16.08 | SimAtWork | following this book |
| 22:16.22 | SimAtWork | and it's doing something weird, i go to adjust size |
| 22:16.30 | SimAtWork | and it leaves PILES of space between my widgets |
| 22:16.34 | SimAtWork | and the end of the form |
| 22:16.39 | SimAtWork | so it's about 5x bigger than it should be |
| 22:16.49 | SimAtWork | if i scale it down manually and resize again it makes it too big again |
| 22:16.51 | SimAtWork | any ideas why? |
| 22:17.06 | canllaith | mmmm. I haven't encountered that, but I haven't used qtdesigner much. |
| 22:17.20 | canllaith | Have you tried asking in #kde-devel? |
| 22:17.33 | SimAtWork | not yet |
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| 22:17.43 | SimAtWork | weird thing is it did it onthe mac |
| 22:17.47 | SimAtWork | and onmy linux box at home |
| 22:17.48 | SimAtWork | and this one here |
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| 22:19.20 | smileaf | SimAtWork: this might be a stupid question.. but have you tried resizing the window down a bit to see if that extra space doesn't go away and that that extra space is just because the window is too big? |
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| 22:20.13 | Renze | a stupid question is the one that is never asked ;) |
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| 22:20.36 | smileaf | is Renze weird? |
| 22:20.42 | Renze | yes... yes I am |
| 22:20.48 | SimAtWork | smileaf, well i shrunk it down by hand |
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| 22:20.55 | SimAtWork | and then hit adjust size agin, and it makes it big |
| 22:20.59 | nikolavp | hello everybody |
| 22:21.03 | SimAtWork | is there somewhere i can upload a pic? maybe that'll make more sense |
| 22:21.16 | nikolavp | i want to tell the configure script where my kde directory is cause it only check for it in /opt |
| 22:21.17 | Renze | imageshack.us |
| 22:21.28 | nikolavp | and since gentoo installs it in usr it cant find it :( |
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| 22:21.40 | Renze | nikolavp: ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 22:21.54 | nikolavp | thansk i will now write this down :) |
| 22:22.11 | Renze | nikolavp: the backticks (`) are VERY important |
| 22:22.30 | nikolavp | y i know i know that from the last time |
| 22:22.47 | nikolavp | i just used kde-config --prefix and didnt put --prefix= infront :D |
| 22:22.47 | Renze | PhilRod: but it's one extra character! ;) |
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| 22:23.13 | PhilRod | Renze: and 40 *fewer* because you don't have to explain that the backticks are important ;-) |
| 22:23.21 | Renze | PhilRod: point |
| 22:23.52 | Renze | old habits die hard |
| 22:24.14 | Renze | and the fact that ` doesn't require the shift key |
| 22:24.21 | Renze | laziness |
| 22:24.49 | Renze | smileaf: thanks... now I have a wet old habit... no nun would wear this! |
| 22:25.07 | PhilRod | oh the punnage |
| 22:25.17 | smileaf | always here to help ;) |
| 22:25.36 | nikolavp | Renze: lol it didnt worked ;( |
| 22:25.42 | Renze | isn't the pun the essence of british comedy? |
| 22:25.47 | nikolavp | it said bash: kde-config: command not found |
| 22:26.04 | Renze | nikolavp: then you don't have kdelibs installed properly, or your PATH is messed up |
| 22:26.20 | nikolavp | lol emerge did that for me lol... |
| 22:26.22 | qupada | nikolavp: source /etc/profile then try again |
| 22:26.30 | Q-collective | Will konqueror in kde4 be able to grasp bigger amounts of data? Currently if I'm opening 250 tabs (yes, I'm doing that frequently, call me crazy if you want :) everything is rather sluggish :+ |
| 22:26.33 | nikolavp | ok |
| 22:26.34 | Renze | nikolavp: emerge did it for me too, but mine works :) |
| 22:26.44 | nikolavp | T_T |
| 22:26.49 | Renze | Q-collective: crazy! |
| 22:26.54 | Q-collective | :) |
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| 22:27.12 | smileaf | Q-collective: somehow.. I think no matter how you write the code opening that many tabs will make your computer rather sluggish. |
| 22:27.13 | Renze | the largest number of tabs I've ever had open is eight |
| 22:27.34 | nikolavp | T_T |
| 22:27.39 | Renze | and those were in local PHP docs |
| 22:27.42 | Q-collective | smileaf: yeah, I was afraid you were going to say that |
| 22:27.42 | Q-collective | oh well |
| 22:27.43 | nikolavp | well it didnt worked :P |
| 22:27.56 | nikolavp | maybe if i make a symbolic link to the opt dir :) |
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| 22:28.14 | Renze | renze:~> kde-config --prefix |
| 22:28.15 | Renze | /usr/kde/3.5 |
| 22:28.20 | Renze | nikolavp: works here ^^ |
| 22:28.31 | nikolavp | y |
| 22:28.48 | Przemcio78 | hi nikolavp: i saw you somewhere recently |
| 22:28.48 | nikolavp | echo `kde-config --prefix` well LOL |
| 22:28.55 | nikolavp | echo `kde-config --prefix |
| 22:28.57 | Q-collective | smileaf: but still, imho almost 500M for 250 tabs is a little overkill |
| 22:28.58 | Q-collective | :> |
| 22:29.00 | nikolavp | gives me /usr/kde/3.5 |
| 22:29.00 | nikolavp | :P |
| 22:29.00 | Przemcio78 | was it #gentoo? |
| 22:29.03 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: :) |
| 22:29.08 | nikolavp | maybe :P |
| 22:29.09 | Q-collective | smileaf: 500M rss memory that is |
| 22:29.10 | qupada | why don't you just type ./configre --prefix=/usr/kde/3.5 and get it over with? |
| 22:29.21 | nikolavp | u was the one with the 3.5.6 kde? |
| 22:29.24 | Przemcio78 | go you have kde 3.5.6 in gentoo already? |
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| 22:29.37 | Przemcio78 | go=do |
| 22:29.38 | Renze | Przemcio78: hardmasked and ready for release, yes |
| 22:29.44 | smileaf | Q-collective: thats 2M per khtml kpart. its not that bad. |
| 22:30.03 | nikolavp | no Przemcio78i prefer the stable branch |
| 22:30.04 | nikolavp | :D |
| 22:30.07 | Przemcio78 | my kde upgraded itself yestarday in arch |
| 22:30.08 | qupada | don't believe everything you hear in #gentoo |
| 22:30.21 | nikolavp | if i needed something unstable and had some time to help some developers |
| 22:30.25 | nikolavp | i would use 3.8 ^_^ |
| 22:30.43 | Przemcio78 | it didn't upgrade from testing or unstable, it's in extra repos |
| 22:30.45 | Q-collective | 3.80 isn't that interesting really |
| 22:30.46 | Q-collective | yet |
| 22:31.27 | nikolavp | Q-collective: havent tryed it cant talk about it :) |
| 22:31.29 | Renze | Przemcio78: 3.5.6 has not yet been released officially, so if arch already has it, it isn't the final release |
| 22:31.41 | nikolavp | ;) |
| 22:31.48 | Przemcio78 | some arch dev must have stolen your source code |
| 22:31.51 | nikolavp | i must give arch a try |
| 22:31.57 | Przemcio78 | :D |
| 22:32.02 | Renze | Przemcio78: how can you steal something that anyone can get for free? |
| 22:32.12 | nikolavp | LOL |
| 22:32.15 | qupada | yes... stolen... that's it |
| 22:32.18 | Q-collective | Renze: it is final, the source has been sent to the packagers |
| 22:32.24 | Przemcio78 | did you mean they compiled it from svn? |
| 22:32.30 | Renze | Q-collective: I know, I'm just trying to freak him out :D |
| 22:32.34 | Q-collective | :) |
| 22:32.57 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: maybe :) |
| 22:33.07 | nikolavp | but it is free software i dont think they stole it :P |
| 22:33.39 | nikolavp | well if it is masked in Gentoo |
| 22:33.49 | Renze | only until it is officially released |
| 22:33.53 | nikolavp | that means that the devs havent work on it so it has just entered there |
| 22:33.54 | Przemcio78 | svn versuion should go to unstable or testing, kde 3.5.6 is in extra just like previous stable releases |
| 22:34.19 | Q-collective | what's new in .6? |
| 22:34.23 | qupada | the reason why it is masked is because the source tarballs on the mirrors aren't there, so if you try and install it, you're not going to get anywhere |
| 22:34.30 | nikolavp | qupada: thanks this just worked :) |
| 22:34.32 | qupada | and it saves the gentoo devs a lot of useless bug reports |
| 22:34.40 | Przemcio78 | Q-collective: i see no difference :P |
| 22:34.41 | nikolavp | --prefix /usr/kde/3.5 just solve the problem :P |
| 22:34.48 | Renze | Q-collective: again, it is mostly bugfixes and a handful of small new features |
| 22:35.03 | Przemcio78 | maybe arch devs packaged 3.5.5 as 3.5.6 :) |
| 22:35.06 | Q-collective | Renze: yes, I'm wondering about those features :) |
| 22:35.17 | Renze | Q-collective: go check out the changelog |
| 22:35.26 | Q-collective | url? |
| 22:35.39 | Q-collective | lazy ftw :) |
| 22:35.40 | Q-collective | :p |
| 22:35.59 | Renze | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php |
| 22:36.05 | Renze | *sigh* |
| 22:36.06 | Q-collective | ty :) |
| 22:36.07 | qupada | Q-collective: http://www.kde.org |
| 22:36.16 | Q-collective | too late |
| 22:36.17 | Q-collective | :p |
| 22:36.44 | qupada | silly Renze, supporting his laziness |
| 22:37.32 | Przemcio78 | one question to arch devs. which version will have some nice creature (lamb for instance) instead of this terrible dragon? :D |
| 22:37.45 | smileaf | gotta love some of the comments: "Add some pseudo-elements that khtml supports, but FireFox doesn't" |
| 22:37.46 | Przemcio78 | question to kde devs* |
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| 22:39.29 | nikolavp | lol i like the dragon :P |
| 22:39.35 | nikolavp | he is pritty smart LOL ^_^ |
| 22:39.51 | smileaf | hehe |
| 22:39.53 | Przemcio78 | he has a nice smile but... i don't trust him :P |
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| 22:39.59 | nikolavp | hahah |
| 22:40.20 | nikolavp | well i am realy waiting for kde 3.8 |
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| 22:40.28 | nikolavp | when did they say that the release will come |
| 22:40.31 | nikolavp | 2008?:) |
| 22:40.52 | smileaf | 3.8? isn't that KDE 4 alpha ? =p |
| 22:40.56 | Renze | 3.8 will never be released... only 4.0 will |
| 22:41.18 | Przemcio78 | 3.8 is released already |
| 22:41.21 | nikolavp | well i consider them the saem sorry :P |
| 22:41.29 | nikolavp | same* |
| 22:42.09 | Fenix-Dark | nikolavp, you can have 3.8, i want 3.7.2 |
| 22:42.10 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: did you try xfce 4.4? |
| 22:42.13 | nikolavp | i am just scared that kde stops working so much on the optimization and the nicer code |
| 22:42.19 | nikolavp | cause it is the best out there :) |
| 22:42.30 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: i have never did :) |
| 22:42.42 | nikolavp | and maybe i wont if i dont instal FreeBSD for a Desktop machine |
| 22:42.57 | nikolavp | i heard that kde dont works well there :) |
| 22:43.13 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: it's fresh, released today or yesterday :) |
| 22:43.21 | nikolavp | Fenix-Dark: i just saw the difference maybe 2 months ago |
| 22:43.26 | Przemcio78 | it;s very nice, huge progress |
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| 22:43.30 | nikolavp | kde 3.2 and kde 3.5 |
| 22:43.33 | nikolavp | no sense... |
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| 22:43.57 | nikolavp | i heard that they made it more performance eating gui :) |
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| 22:44.20 | Q-collective | nikolavp: no, it will use lesser resources |
| 22:44.23 | nikolavp | xfce was the best complete gui for low memory computers once upon a time |
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| 22:45.08 | Q-collective | and btw, kde 3.8 doesn't exist at all |
| 22:45.11 | Q-collective | 3.80 does |
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| 22:45.29 | smileaf | in math we learned that .8 and .80 are the same number =p |
| 22:45.42 | Q-collective | :p |
| 22:45.51 | Renze | version numbers are an exception to the rule |
| 22:46.02 | alaQ | smileaf: in physics we learned that they are two different numbers, because of significant figures :) |
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| 22:46.20 | Q-collective | heh, nice comeback alaQ |
| 22:46.21 | smileaf | lol |
| 22:46.28 | smileaf | physics sucks |
| 22:46.35 | alaQ | tell that to gravity. |
| 22:46.46 | smileaf | alaQ: will do. |
| 22:46.50 | alaQ | ;) |
| 22:46.52 | smileaf | alaQ: where is he? |
| 22:46.54 | Renze | gravity: you suck |
| 22:47.11 | Q-collective | smileaf: gravity@universe.org |
| 22:47.20 | qupada | Renze: gravity is a myth, the earth sucks |
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| 22:47.29 | nikolavp | lol |
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| 22:48.12 | qupada | haha, universe.org is registered to some guy in poland |
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| 22:48.40 | smileaf | qupada: and he filtered my packets! |
| 22:48.48 | smileaf | no pinging :( |
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| 22:48.52 | Q-collective | :) |
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| 22:52.14 | nikolavp | god how i hate my country... |
| 22:52.25 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: which country? |
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| 22:52.31 | nikolavp | Bulgarian |
| 22:52.38 | Przemcio78 | why? |
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| 22:53.02 | Przemcio78 | I'm from Poland it;s much worse than Bulgaria |
| 22:53.04 | nikolavp | well i think we are the only country which administration is controled from Windows servers |
| 22:53.16 | nikolavp | everywhere on the bulgarian sites i cant watch TV on the web |
| 22:53.18 | Przemcio78 | but i don't hate it, just tolerate :) |
| 22:53.28 | nikolavp | cause it only suppourts "windows media player" |
| 22:53.38 | nikolavp | or sh*ts like this |
| 22:54.01 | nikolavp | almost everywhere |
| 22:54.21 | CyberSpy | nikolavp: and mplayer with wmv codecs won't play it? |
| 22:54.26 | CyberSpy | I've never had an issue |
| 22:54.29 | Przemcio78 | the most famous polish portal is pro-microshit too |
| 22:54.31 | nikolavp | well on internet? |
| 22:54.46 | nikolavp | plus they only suppourt "windows media player" |
| 22:54.51 | CyberSpy | Yes, streaming on the interenet |
| 22:54.52 | nikolavp | ah and quickplayer or something |
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| 22:55.05 | nikolavp | i thought that the libquick will help me but i was wrong :P |
| 22:55.09 | CyberSpy | use the mplayer plugin for konq or Firefox |
| 22:55.13 | nikolavp | :) |
| 22:55.17 | nikolavp | i use opera :P |
| 22:55.21 | Przemcio78 | CyberSpy: to view some media files on www.onet.pl i had to change my browser identification, isn't it discrimination? |
| 22:55.35 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: well it is |
| 22:55.37 | pattern | in krita, is there a way to adjust the levels and curves, the way you can in photoshop/gimp ? |
| 22:55.44 | Q-collective | the dutch public broadcasting is very pro-MS aswell, it uses a fugly mixture of webbased players that assume you're running windows |
| 22:55.48 | CyberSpy | Give me a link to a vid |
| 22:55.49 | nikolavp | the worst thing is that the private-minister |
| 22:56.01 | nikolavp | wrote an article in which he describe how bad the free software is.... |
| 22:56.21 | nikolavp | LOL i just didnt know what to do to laugh or to cry... |
| 22:56.29 | CyberSpy | nikolavp: it's coming up in Opera for me as well |
| 22:56.29 | nikolavp | cause in fact it is my country LOL... |
| 22:56.38 | nikolavp | CyberSpy: what plugin |
| 22:56.49 | Przemcio78 | ot their mail interface, it looked dirrerent on ie and other browsers, identification made it look exactly like on ie, so there weren't any technical issues |
| 22:57.24 | archangelpetro | blehhhhhh |
| 22:57.27 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: and in fact IE just sucks lol |
| 22:57.53 | nikolavp | can u imagine that they entered the new function "tabs" in the latest version |
| 22:58.05 | nikolavp | lol i think that opera have this from like 4-5 years if i am right... |
| 22:58.16 | nikolavp | i havent used it those days but lol |
| 22:58.20 | Przemcio78 | yeah, but this mail interface on ie was more advanced, it doesn't work on opera well, but there are no problems with firefox |
| 22:58.22 | Q-collective | how long does konqueror already have it? |
| 22:58.41 | nikolavp | Q-collective: i use linux from like 1 year and a half |
| 22:58.48 | nikolavp | and i can say it had it in 3.2 or so on |
| 22:58.50 | CyberSpy | nikolavp: ALL mplayer plugins are working, as well as flash and java |
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| 22:58.51 | CyberSpy | http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/ |
| 22:58.51 | nikolavp | i am not sure :) |
| 22:58.53 | CyberSpy | That's all you nee |
| 22:59.00 | nikolavp | CyberSpy: i am using gentoo here |
| 22:59.01 | CyberSpy | need* |
| 22:59.03 | CyberSpy | just get the "all" codec pack for mplayer |
| 22:59.07 | Q-collective | nikolavp: *long* anyway :p |
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| 22:59.14 | nikolavp | and i think mplayer-plugin is working only on Gecko based browsers... |
| 22:59.17 | Przemcio78 | Opera's mplayerplug-in version sucks |
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| 22:59.52 | nikolavp | but i can use it on konqueror right? |
| 22:59.56 | Q-collective | Przemcio78: it uses the same mplayerplug-in as firefox does though |
| 22:59.57 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: it works with Opera but it has no gui |
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| 23:00.06 | CyberSpy | nikolavp: It's working fine for me, so the issue is actually you, not the content provider |
| 23:00.13 | Q-collective | nikolavp: no, install kmplayer for that |
| 23:00.14 | CyberSpy | you're grasping for excuses to be caustic |
| 23:00.18 | Przemcio78 | Q-Collective: no |
| 23:00.31 | adamwest | umm anyone knows how to get to the first-run-wizard, if i'm not in the first run? :) |
| 23:00.46 | Przemcio78 | Q-collective: it doesn't use gtk1/gtk2 |
| 23:00.51 | nikolavp | Q-collective: does it suppourt quicktime films like the mplayerplug-in? |
| 23:00.53 | qupada | adamwest: kpersonalizer |
| 23:00.55 | nikolavp | or u havent used it? |
| 23:01.12 | Q-collective | nikolavp: if you have installed the quicktime libs, then yes |
| 23:01.22 | adamwest | where's that at, quapada |
| 23:01.23 | CyberSpy | nikolavp: Just install the lib |
| 23:01.23 | nikolavp | Q-collective: thanks :) |
| 23:01.32 | nikolavp | well i did :D |
| 23:01.38 | Przemcio78 | i don't know if gtk mplayer plugin works in konqueror |
| 23:01.50 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: i dont need it either |
| 23:01.53 | Renze | adamwest: press alt-f2, type kpersonalizer, press enter |
| 23:01.56 | qupada | adamwest: k menu>run command would be the easiest way |
| 23:02.01 | nikolavp | i just want to open the film in a separated tab... |
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| 23:02.05 | Q-collective | Przemcio78: no |
| 23:02.09 | Q-collective | it doesn't |
| 23:02.28 | adamwest | oh thanks renza and quapaad |
| 23:02.51 | Przemcio78 | In Opera mplayer plugin works but you can't change options via gui |
| 23:03.18 | adamwest | btw is there a way to determine what's the best "effect level" for my computer? |
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| 23:04.20 | qupada | adamwest: actually i find it's best to judge it on how much unnecessary animated things annoy you |
| 23:04.50 | adamwest | lol quapada i think there are a lot of things... especially the sounds :D |
| 23:04.54 | qupada | adamwest: to that end, i set the slider to 'no effects/slow cpu', then just enable the few things i want (transparent background behind icon text, etc) |
| 23:04.56 | adamwest | *qupada |
| 23:05.07 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: Bulgaria was a popular holiday destination for Poles in before 1989 :) |
| 23:05.24 | Przemcio78 | Poles before* |
| 23:05.27 | adamwest | ah good idea qupada |
| 23:05.43 | qupada | adamwest: i don't think you can disable sounds from there though, have to do that with the control centre |
| 23:05.45 | nikolavp | i will now see if kmplayer can realy stream that |
| 23:05.55 | nikolavp | if it can i will send a beer for everyone of u :) |
| 23:06.04 | adamwest | is there a way to change the aweful way tooltips appear? to a normal fade perhaps? |
| 23:06.29 | Przemcio78 | but i've never been to Bulgaria, now we belong to the same European family :) |
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| 23:06.53 | qupada | adamwest: 'normal' fade as opposed to what? |
| 23:06.53 | nikolavp | hahah |
| 23:07.17 | adamwest | kde uses this weird bubble slide instead of crossfade |
| 23:07.24 | nikolavp | well i hope that something will change after we are in "EU" but i am not realy sure :) |
| 23:07.29 | Renze | adamwest: those aren't tooltips |
| 23:07.37 | qupada | adamwest: oh, you mean the ones that appear when you put the mouse over the k menu and others on the taskbar? |
| 23:07.47 | adamwest | such as, yes qupada |
| 23:08.24 | qupada | adamwest: as far as i'm aware, those have two options, on and off. the latter is preferable IMHO |
| 23:08.25 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: we'll have software patents soon :D |
| 23:08.46 | adamwest | oh ok qupada, tnx again |
| 23:08.53 | Przemcio78 | just like our american younger brothers :D |
| 23:09.26 | funkyou | how can i kill a programm when i logout? |
| 23:10.05 | Przemcio78 | funkyou: are you the same funkyou that develops kdemod? |
| 23:10.20 | funkyou | yes |
| 23:10.42 | Przemcio78 | nice to meet you |
| 23:11.11 | Przemcio78 | i don't use kdemod, but it's nice to have you with us anyway :) |
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| 23:11.34 | funkyou | thx :) |
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| 23:14.12 | Przemcio78 | nikolavp: what's the speed of you internet? |
| 23:14.16 | Przemcio78 | your* |
| 23:15.34 | nikolavp | depends on the traffic |
| 23:15.38 | nikolavp | and on hosting :) |
| 23:15.54 | nikolavp | for example from the Gentoo mirror i specify in my make.conf |
| 23:16.01 | nikolavp | i download with 2-3 mb |
| 23:16.13 | nikolavp | but from ibm i can low the speed to 50 kbts :) |
| 23:16.25 | nikolavp | but i almost always have 300-500 |
| 23:17.03 | Przemcio78 | i have 340 kbps (at night 680) and i pay for this like 15 euro a month |
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| 23:17.23 | Przemcio78 | i think it's very expensive |
| 23:18.08 | Przemcio78 | i've heard Poland has the most expensive internet in the whole Europe |
| 23:20.29 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: well my connection is used from me and my neighbour |
| 23:20.34 | nikolavp | so i pay 7 euro :P |
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| 23:21.22 | acetoxy | Yo! I discovered that Konsole does not report the mouse status while dragging, so set ttymouse=xterm2 doesn't work very well in Vim. |
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| 23:21.26 | Przemcio78 | Polish telekom sucks |
| 23:22.15 | nikolavp | :) |
| 23:22.19 | Przemcio78 | it has like 90% of the market, hence the prizes |
| 23:22.31 | nikolavp | btw i i saw that in my Slackware |
| 23:22.40 | nikolavp | there were nice ideas when u start the konsole |
| 23:22.40 | lucasatch | heyy |
| 23:22.53 | nikolavp | can someone tell me the package for that i realy educated my self from those :P |
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| 23:23.18 | nikolavp | Przemcio78: 1 month ago i was making a presentation in oooimpress for the school |
| 23:23.28 | nikolavp | which is of course on Microsoft so power point :P |
| 23:23.53 | nikolavp | so the presentation was about Latvia it was interesting for me that in this country there is a low |
| 23:24.13 | nikolavp | that says that the county pay for the internet of the citizens :) |
| 23:24.23 | nikolavp | so u get free internet lol ^_^ |
| 23:24.34 | nikolavp | someone here from Latvia?:P |
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| 23:25.25 | Przemcio78 | baltic states rule :) |
| 23:25.40 | nikolavp | :0 |
| 23:25.59 | nikolavp | so somoene know the package for the cool ideas in the konsole? |
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| 23:31.27 | nikolavp | ohoho |
| 23:31.32 | nikolavp | check this out ;0 |
| 23:31.33 | nikolavp | http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/emacs/emacs_toc.html#SEC_Contents |
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| 23:46.45 | fredd1 | Great channel this. |
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| 23:48.00 | nikolavp | lol |
| 23:48.04 | nikolavp | realy thanks about that |
| 23:48.15 | nikolavp | kmplayer is just working 100% fine :P |
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| 23:49.40 | BASEman | What tool is to be used under KDE to view multi-pages tiffs? Nothing is there by default? |
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| 23:58.11 | hagabaka | it would be nice if i could let Gwenview align image to the top of the viewport automatically instead of centering it |
| 23:58.34 | Renze | hagabaka: suggest it to whoever takes over gwenview |
| 23:58.54 | hagabaka | take over? |
| 23:59.17 | Renze | the author is moving on to other things |
| 23:59.26 | Renze | somebody else needs to take over the codebase |
| 23:59.26 | hagabaka | oh |
