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| 00:05.36 | Przemcio78 | I can't launch kde via startkde, it say 'Can't contact kdeinit' |
| 00:05.55 | Damnshock | use startx |
| 00:06.02 | Damnshock | and a properly set .xinitrc |
| 00:06.05 | Przemcio78 | what's the difference? |
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| 00:06.36 | Damnshock | startkde does not manage the X window system |
| 00:06.41 | Damnshock | so startx does |
| 00:07.13 | Przemcio78 | yeah, startx works |
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| 00:07.32 | Przemcio78 | thanks for the answer |
| 00:07.47 | Damnshock | :) |
| 00:07.54 | Damnshock | glad to help |
| 00:08.39 | Przemcio78 | you know, I just gave up using gdms/kdms :) |
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| 00:09.18 | Przemcio78 | I've got xfce too and startxfce4 works properly |
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| 00:10.39 | Dr_willis | startx would then launch startkde from the .xinitrc ( thats how ive set it up) |
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| 00:12.58 | Damnshock | Przemcio78: why did you give up? |
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| 00:13.27 | Przemcio78 | one less app running in the baclground |
| 00:15.18 | Damnshock | ¬_¬ |
| 00:15.43 | Damnshock | then... why do you use X? it is another app running in the background ;) |
| 00:16.01 | Przemcio78 | actually i had some errors today i couldn't find answer for |
| 00:16.26 | Przemcio78 | and i realised i don't need kdm/gdm :) |
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| 00:18.56 | Przemcio78 | i had gdm by the way, but kdm gave the same errors |
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| 00:19.23 | Przemcio78 | i uninstalled gdm but i can't uninstall kdm without uninstalling kde |
| 00:19.53 | anywavedave | bye y'all |
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| 00:22.14 | Damnshock | night everyone |
| 00:22.23 | Przemcio78 | night :) |
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| 00:28.18 | MetaBookfoziS | hey, who have the won't working usb mass storage problem? |
| 00:28.34 | MetaBookfoziS | yesterday somebody though he has the some problem as me. |
| 00:28.46 | Sho_ | I do. I dropped my USB thumb stick and it broke :-) |
| 00:29.07 | MetaBookfoziS | ;) |
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| 00:29.16 | Renze | Sho_: get those ones with the rubber coating... they bounce :D |
| 00:29.18 | MetaBookfoziS | i think that is in relation with the new kernels |
| 00:29.34 | MetaBookfoziS | i wanna ask him about his kernel version. |
| 00:29.50 | MetaBookfoziS | but i forget his name... probably jucato... but he is offline as i see |
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| 00:30.18 | linuxguy | would like to know how to turn off the sound in the terminal? |
| 00:30.30 | MetaBookfoziS | kcontrol |
| 00:30.40 | MetaBookfoziS | sounds or whatewer and notifications |
| 00:30.49 | linuxguy | couldnt find it |
| 00:30.57 | Sho_ | linuxguy: Settings -> Bell |
| 00:31.08 | brian_ | how do I connect to server I know name of? |
| 00:31.16 | Sho_ | MetaBookfoziS: Jucato is probably either sleeping or taking an ice cream break ;). Anyway, he's using Kubuntu Edgy I think, so I'd expect he has the kernel of that distro. |
| 00:31.22 | brian_ | # ? / ? |
| 00:31.34 | Sho_ | brian_: '/server <host>' using Konversation |
| 00:31.45 | MetaBookfoziS | iirc is htere a kernel update in kubuntu about 1-2 weeks ago. |
| 00:31.49 | brian_ | tyty |
| 00:31.57 | MetaBookfoziS | and i think the problem exist from that date |
| 00:32.45 | brian_ | cant seem to connect to sabayon 2nite |
| 00:32.55 | MetaBookfoziS | i'm on my own kernel detto |
| 00:33.03 | MetaBookfoziS | but i think something generally messed up |
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| 00:33.23 | MetaBookfoziS | in ubu's patches, or anywhere. |
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| 00:33.24 | qupada | i'm just waiting for 2.6.20, it has a fix to an intermittent but rather annoying problem i've been having |
| 00:33.25 | Sho_ | brian_: "sabayon 2nite" is not a valid host name :-) |
| 00:33.39 | linuxguy | thx Sho_, I thought I need to uncheck that box, but now I set to 0%, |
| 00:33.52 | MetaBookfoziS | ;) |
| 00:33.57 | brian_ | haha |
| 00:34.12 | MetaBookfoziS | you must happy about you need to set it 0% not to need to uncomment that;) |
| 00:34.17 | Sho_ | linuxguy: I was talking about the menu, not the configuration dialog or a box |
| 00:34.28 | MetaBookfoziS | or comment' sorry. |
| 00:34.36 | Sho_ | linuxguy: Konsole unfortunately suffers from stuffing a lot of options into the Settings *menu* rather than its config dialog |
| 00:34.41 | *** topic/#kde by Przemcio78 -> KDE 3.5.6 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
| 00:34.41 | *** topic/#kde by ChanServ -> KDE 3.5.5 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
| 00:34.53 | Przemcio78 | oops |
| 00:34.55 | Przemcio78 | sorry |
| 00:35.00 | Renze | 3.5.6 isn't out yet |
| 00:35.38 | Przemcio78 | Don't delete .kde |
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| 00:35.50 | Przemcio78 | Who could have such bright ideas? |
| 00:35.55 | Thundercloud__ | <Person 1> WHAT DID HE SAY!? |
| 00:36.03 | Sho_ | Przemcio78: You'd be surprised .. :) |
| 00:36.05 | Thundercloud__ | <Person 2> Something about deleting ~/.kde *DELETES* |
| 00:36.46 | Renze | Przemcio78: there are a lot of stunningly ignorant people out there |
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| 00:36.46 | hydrogen | Sho_: did you see the person before who pasted something that had what I assume to be \x001 and konvi interpreted it as a CTCP request? |
| 00:36.46 | hydrogen | Sho_: considder this my bug report :) |
| 00:37.00 | pierreth | does someone knows how to configure kmail of have less spam? |
| 00:37.11 | Sho_ | hydrogen: No, I did not |
| 00:37.16 | hydrogen | i'll see if I can find it in the log |
| 00:37.17 | Renze | pierreth: install a spam filter and use the wizard to set it up |
| 00:37.24 | Sho_ | hydrogen: Thanks |
| 00:37.36 | Renze | pierreth: I recommend spamassassin |
| 00:37.39 | MetaBookfoziS | any idea to make recognied my pendrive? (yes i know, try it in #kubuntu, but that guys won't ansver;)) |
| 00:37.51 | pierreth | Renze: How can I install it? |
| 00:38.00 | Renze | pierreth: use your distro's package manager |
| 00:38.06 | pierreth | wolsni: I have the default setting |
| 00:38.16 | hydrogen | Sat Jan 20 2007] [17:43:35] <Ediehow> Incorrectly encoded string (~W: |
| 00:38.16 | hydrogen | [Sat Jan 20 2007] [17:43:35] CTCP Received unknown CTCP-.log) encountered. request from Ediehow to Channel #kde |
| 00:38.29 | hydrogen | not sure if parts of it got trimmed |
| 00:38.51 | pierreth | Renze: Don't I have to use a server that marks the emails as spam to use spamassasin? |
| 00:39.03 | Renze | pierreth: nope, it learns as you use it |
| 00:39.32 | Sho_ | Renze: Can KMail actually feed back into SpamAssassin by now, btw? |
| 00:39.45 | Renze | Sho_: no idea... but it seems to learn |
| 00:40.34 | Sho_ | Renze: Probably one of the primary reasons I use Thunderbird rather than KMail is that Thunderbird comes with a reasonably decent built-in bayesian spam filter that can be easily trained with Junk/Not Junk-Buttons in the app, without additional setup effort |
| 00:40.52 | Renze | Sho_: the setup in kmail is trivial |
| 00:41.02 | Renze | Sho_: the wizard does all the work |
| 00:41.07 | Sho_ | Renze: Last time I tried KMail it seemed rather more involved to set up there |
| 00:42.05 | Renze | Sho_: I choose the wizard from the menu, tell it I want to use spamassassin, and that's it |
| 00:42.05 | hydrogen | I never got it to work well in kmail |
| 00:42.05 | Renze | works fine here |
| 00:42.06 | pierreth | Renze: OK I am installing it |
| 00:42.26 | pierreth | Renze: What should I do after that? |
| 00:42.28 | Renze | of course my ISP and other mail servers catch most of the spam before it gets to me, but spamassassin catches everything that gets through |
| 00:43.10 | Renze | pierreth: Tools -> Anti-Spam Wizard |
| 00:43.21 | pierreth | Renze: OK |
| 00:43.24 | Thundercloud__ | My main email has two filter levels. |
| 00:43.32 | Thundercloud__ | email account that is |
| 00:43.35 | pierreth | Sho_: How do you type the *? |
| 00:43.38 | Thundercloud__ | It would have more if I could be bothered to install spamassassin. |
| 00:43.39 | Renze | pierreth: you can figure it out from there ;) |
| 00:43.49 | Sho_ | pierreth: '/me <text>' |
| 00:43.57 | pierreth | Renze: I guess :-) |
| 00:43.59 | Sho_ | In Konversation (and many other IRC clients). |
| 00:44.05 | Thundercloud__ | But basically first it goes into gmail, and goes through google's filters. Then my email server (Different box) picks up the email and provides it to me as an imap resource. |
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| 00:45.01 | pierreth | outch |
| 00:45.12 | pierreth | Renze: thank you |
| 00:45.26 | Renze | pierreth: you're welcome ;) |
| 00:45.47 | pierreth | Renze: I have to compile it, it is long... |
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| 00:52.32 | MetaBookfoziSLP | good night! |
| 00:53.31 | Renze | what little there is of it through the clouds |
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| 01:01.39 | Ediehow | LiquidNerd_: you there? |
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| 01:15.13 | dcorbin | I have a little applet at work that shows CPU usage, memory usage, etc on 3 vertical bars. What is that applet called? |
| 01:15.45 | Sho_ | "System Guard" |
| 01:16.21 | dcorbin | I thought that was just the thing that catches GPFs. |
| 01:17.04 | Sho_ | dcorbin: No. "KSysGuard" is the name of KDE's process list / hardware sensor standalone app, as well as its background daemon, to which the applet interfaces as well. |
| 01:17.17 | dcorbin | OK. |
| 01:17.20 | dcorbin | THanks. |
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| 01:17.52 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: yeah it doesn't guard anything - a stupid name |
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| 01:18.07 | Dr_willis | kind of like 'screen savers' :) |
| 01:18.08 | Sho_ | JohnFlux happens to be the responsible developer ;-) |
| 01:18.17 | JohnFlux | hey i tried to rename it once |
| 01:18.21 | JohnFlux | even changed it in svn |
| 01:18.23 | Sho_ | yeah I remember :) |
| 01:18.25 | JohnFlux | i was over ruled ;-) |
| 01:18.44 | JohnFlux | maybe for kde4 |
| 01:18.48 | JohnFlux | if I can think of a good name |
| 01:18.55 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Threaten that whoever wants to decide the name has to maintain it |
| 01:19.05 | JohnFlux | :-) |
| 01:19.07 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: Generally, that threat should make people comply in nearly every situation |
| 01:19.10 | JohnFlux | although in kde4, it really will be guarding the system |
| 01:19.30 | JohnFlux | raid, lvm and smart constant monitoring :-) |
| 01:21.45 | Sho_ | JohnFlux: cool |
| 01:21.53 | dcorbin | That's not the applet i was thinking of. This shows 3 vertical bars Left CPU, Middle RAM, not sure what the right one is. |
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| 01:22.17 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: we're talking about kde4 |
| 01:22.28 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: just wandering offtopic ;-) |
| 01:22.47 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: the applet you are thinking of is System Monitor aka ksysguard |
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| 01:23.11 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: if you hover the mouse over it, on the left there should be a little "^" that appears |
| 01:23.19 | JohnFlux | and if you click on it, it should show a menu |
| 01:23.24 | JohnFlux | that menu will say what it's called |
| 01:23.47 | JohnFlux | or just right click on it |
| 01:23.49 | dcorbin | JohnFlux: I installed a ksysguard and it doesn't look right. It's line graphy oriented. |
| 01:24.06 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: right click on the applet |
| 01:24.10 | dcorbin | JohnFlux: OK. I'll have to do that next week .... :) |
| 01:24.12 | JohnFlux | what does the first menu item say |
| 01:24.17 | JohnFlux | dcorbin: okay :-) |
| 01:24.40 | dcorbin | Launch System Guard |
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| 01:30.07 | wolsni | dcorbin: the one you want is called System Monitor |
| 01:30.24 | wolsni | and the third bar is swap space in use |
| 01:31.00 | dcorbin | wolsni: do you know what the file name for it is? |
| 01:31.19 | wolsni | dcorbin: no, I don't |
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| 01:34.15 | wolsni | dcorbin: "lsof -p $(pidof kicker)" might help? |
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| 01:34.53 | Ediehow | Renze: seems a newer k3b is fixing my problem |
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| 01:35.51 | dcorbin | Is there anyway to get "tab-completion" in the "Run" dialog? |
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| 01:41.43 | wolsni | dcorbin: I think you'll have to make do with the history in the dialog for now |
| 01:43.10 | dcorbin | wolsni: thanks. |
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| 01:46.20 | Renze | wolsni: I hope you ordered enough for all of us ;) |
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| 01:46.51 | wolsni | well, presumably once you get it into an IRC channel copy& paste applies |
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| 01:47.56 | Renze | it would taste jaggy ;) |
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| 01:50.48 | _neopc | como fao para entrar no msn |
| 01:51.00 | Renze | inglês |
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| 01:54.22 | _neopc | oi |
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| 02:02.58 | CMoH | hello |
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| 02:03.26 | RFC_1149 | Hi |
| 02:03.42 | CMoH | how can i disable "Access keys" from konqueror? i can't seem to find the setting |
| 02:03.42 | RFC_1149 | I have two monitors - how do I tell KDE which display to spawn new windows in? |
| 02:03.58 | RFC_1149 | CMoH, its in preferences somewhere IIRC - I'll check for you |
| 02:04.10 | wolsni | RFC_1149: the default is to put new windows on the same screen as the mouse |
| 02:04.56 | RFC_1149 | wolsni, this doesn't work on all apps. My right screen is where I do OO documents. The cursor sits here. The left screen is turned off. Word count, page break, etc windows spawn on the _other_ display |
| 02:05.02 | wolsni | I believe if you have multiple monitors a tab for configuring that shows up in kcontrol->Peripherals->Display, so that you can force new windows onto a particular screen. |
| 02:05.28 | CMoH | RFC_1149, thanks... i've been searching for it as well, but i think i'm just too tired |
| 02:05.40 | RFC_1149 | wolsni, thanks very much. Found the setting |
| 02:06.13 | RFC_1149 | CMoH, no problem |
| 02:06.32 | RFC_1149 | wolsni, I set the option to put unmanaged windows on display 1, and restarted oo, but it refuses to comply |
| 02:06.52 | RFC_1149 | wolsni, any fixes short of switching the displays on the GPU, and then modifying xorg.cong? |
| 02:07.18 | wolsni | i don't use that setting, so i couldn't say |
| 02:07.19 | wolsni | sorry |
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| 02:08.03 | RFC_1149 | wolsni, disregard. It "rememberd" its last position |
| 02:08.15 | RFC_1149 | I've fixed it now, and new windows which dont "remember" their position spawn properly |
| 02:08.25 | wolsni | glad that's working for you |
| 02:08.31 | RFC_1149 | Cheers |
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| 02:08.34 | RFC_1149 | Back to work now |
| 02:08.37 | RFC_1149 | Bye all |
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| 02:13.34 | workman161 | would anyone have any idea why suddenly all my kioslaves fail to be launched? |
| 02:13.44 | workman161 | I just updated a few things a bit ago |
| 02:14.43 | workman161 | might they be segfaulting? |
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| 02:15.16 | janemba | hello |
| 02:15.45 | janemba | It is possible to download only kde taskbar ? |
| 02:15.54 | workman161 | nope |
| 02:16.05 | janemba | kde panel ? |
| 02:16.11 | workman161 | kicker is part of the kdebase package which of course depends on the kdelibs package |
| 02:16.20 | workman161 | all or nothing, friend |
| 02:16.27 | janemba | hmm...ok :) |
| 02:18.11 | workman161 | hmm well I downgraded kdelibs from 3.5.5-3.fc6 to -2.fc6 and it works |
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| 02:24.50 | CMoH | hmmm... anyone else happens to know how to disable all the tooltips in kde appear when i hit the ctrl key (they also appear out of thin air... after a few seconds they disappear etc, so i want to disable them permanently) |
| 02:25.20 | CMoH | bah... tooltips in konqueror, i mean :) sorry... i'm a bit tired |
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| 02:27.40 | letronje | hi i have a slight problem with k3b |
| 02:28.01 | letronje | it detects my dvd writer only when run as root usig kdesu k3b |
| 02:28.14 | letronje | but says no writer detected when i run as a normal user |
| 02:28.18 | letronje | why is this so? |
| 02:28.34 | letronje | k3b-0.2.17 distro:gentoo 2006.1 |
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| 02:29.04 | CMoH | are you in group cdrw and such? |
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| 02:29.33 | letronje | ya i use burning grp as per the k3bsetup |
| 02:29.42 | letronje | default grp |
| 02:30.14 | letronje | there is also cdrw now that u have mentioned |
| 02:30.29 | letronje | only haldaemon is the member of the grp cdrw |
| 02:30.48 | CMoH | i'm using the cdrw group and my user is part of it |
| 02:31.08 | letronje | actually this is the first time i am having this problem |
| 02:31.13 | CMoH | also gentoo docs instruct you to add groups of features you use |
| 02:31.16 | letronje | i have been using k3b for abt 1 year |
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| 02:31.29 | CMoH | prolly /dev/hdN now has proper permissions :D |
| 02:31.58 | letronje | and also when i manually tried to add /dev/hda as normal user, k3b refused to take the device |
| 02:31.59 | CMoH | or some other device |
| 02:34.31 | letronje | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.32 | letronje | brw-rw---- 1 root burning 3, 0 Jan 21 2007 hda |
| 02:34.45 | letronje | is there something wrong ? |
| 02:34.54 | CMoH | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom |
| 02:34.58 | CMoH | i have no idea |
| 02:35.12 | CMoH | i just had the same problem before adding my user to group cdrw |
| 02:35.33 | letronje | i just added myself to cdrw still same problem |
| 02:35.34 | CMoH | try making it world rw and see if this is the actual problem |
| 02:35.45 | letronje | ok |
| 02:36.24 | letronje | ok now its rw rw rw |
| 02:36.28 | letronje | lets see |
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| 02:37.28 | letronje | ok now k3b detects a new config |
| 02:37.57 | letronje | but says cdrecord and cdrdao cant be found |
| 02:37.59 | letronje | they are there |
| 02:39.10 | CMoH | did you try k3bsetup? |
| 02:39.15 | letronje | ya i did |
| 02:40.17 | letronje | burning grp is enabled |
| 02:40.22 | CMoH | sorry... i don't know more... maybe the search path is bad? |
| 02:40.53 | letronje | ya cdrecord is not there in my path |
| 02:41.07 | letronje | it shud be right? |
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| 02:43.41 | ner0x | Anyone use a japanese keymap? |
| 02:43.44 | CMoH | i think so |
| 02:44.57 | ner0x | CMoH: For me? |
| 02:45.06 | CMoH | ner0x, no |
| 02:45.23 | ner0x | Wishful thinking. |
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| 02:54.09 | ner0x | Anyone use the keymap feature for KDE? enabling different keyboard layouts? |
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| 02:55.56 | alaQ | ner0x: i do - dvorak layout. |
| 02:57.17 | ner0x | alaQ: That's the only other thing people use. I can't find another person who needs to type in Japanese. |
| 02:57.35 | alaQ | I probably will need to in a couple months. |
| 02:57.45 | ner0x | alaQ: I need to type in Hiragana, not Katakana. |
| 02:58.01 | alaQ | I'll check on it. |
| 02:58.06 | ner0x | alaQ: As of right now? |
| 02:58.10 | ner0x | alaQ: I would be very thankful. |
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| 02:58.17 | alaQ | I'll do what I can. |
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| 02:59.59 | alaQ | sorry.. had to change session. |
| 03:00.04 | ner0x | alaQ: that's fine. |
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| 03:03.11 | alaQ | honestly, I'm not sure. Haven't used linux japanese compat. before. |
| 03:03.51 | alaQ | my idea is that there's a key - like shift - that might change it. |
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| 03:05.04 | alaQ | one sec. I'm returning to my other session. |
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| 03:06.33 | ner0x | alaQ: http://www.412roll.com/Nihon_Joshu.jpg |
| 03:06.58 | ner0x | That's what I'm working on, it's difficult though. :) |
| 03:07.20 | alaQ | one sec... 56k is a bit slow :) |
| 03:07.40 | Renze | dialup? in the 21st century? |
| 03:07.58 | alaQ | yeah.. it still exists in the middle of nowhere. |
| 03:08.05 | Renze | shameful... |
| 03:08.13 | Renze | there should be broadband for everyone |
| 03:08.22 | AssociateX | isn't there? |
| 03:08.27 | alaQ | too far out for cable/dsl - and satellite's $600 setup and 100 a month. |
| 03:08.54 | ner0x | Wow, that's horrible. |
| 03:09.05 | AssociateX | alaQ, where are you at? Horace North Dakota? |
| 03:09.07 | AssociateX | lol |
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| 03:09.16 | Renze | Hell, Michigan? |
| 03:09.20 | alaQ | AssociateX: outside Orion, Illinois. |
| 03:09.37 | AssociateX | oh well, that stinks for you |
| 03:09.46 | alaQ | But close enough to Hell. take your pick. :) |
| 03:10.23 | alaQ | It's on the intarweb somewhere. |
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| 03:10.48 | alaQ | ner0x: well, when you're done with that, let me have a copy? ;) |
| 03:11.09 | alaQ | ner0x: i would try typing it with either shift or meta. |
| 03:11.50 | ner0x | Yeah, working on it, I can switch from eng to jp with alt+shift+w ( I set that up ) |
| 03:12.19 | alaQ | heh... my jp only typed in english... |
| 03:12.26 | alaQ | a bit less useful. ) |
| 03:12.32 | alaQ | s/)/:) |
| 03:12.35 | Renze | シ |
| 03:12.38 | ner0x | alaQ: my jp types in katakana so it works.. But |
| 03:12.44 | ner0x | I want hiragana. |
| 03:13.01 | alaQ | ner0x: try caps lock? |
| 03:13.08 | ner0x | alaQ: ... i didn't do that. |
| 03:13.25 | ner0x | Didn't work. |
| 03:13.27 | ner0x | Should though. lol |
| 03:13.59 | Renze | 私のホバークラフトはウナギの完全である |
| 03:14.28 | alaQ | there's hiragana in there... how'd you pull that off, Renze? |
| 03:14.47 | ner0x | I can't even see that. |
| 03:14.49 | Renze | I cut and pasted from babelfish.altavista.com ;) |
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| 03:15.02 | alaQ | *eye Roll* |
| 03:17.39 | ner0x | This is frustrating. |
| 03:18.08 | Renze | hobaakurafuto! |
| 03:18.56 | alaQ | ok. possibly getting somewhere. |
| 03:19.02 | ner0x | Not me. |
| 03:19.05 | alaQ | i'm actually typing in Katakana now. |
| 03:19.11 | ner0x | Yeah, I can do that. |
| 03:19.12 | alaQ | so I've gone a step :) |
| 03:19.19 | ner0x | Type in hiragana and I'll be inpressed. :) |
| 03:19.29 | Renze | シ <-- makes a good smiley |
| 03:19.32 | alaQ | I'll do what I can. |
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| 03:24.06 | ner0x | I think I need to restart X. |
| 03:24.13 | ner0x | Local Variant 106... Might work. |
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| 03:28.25 | ner0x | alaQ-away: Anything? |
| 03:28.47 | alaQ-away | nope. I've been doing some reading, and I can find some things for gnome, but not kde. |
| 03:29.05 | ner0x | alaQ-away: This is rather annoying considering my keyboard is in hiragana. lol |
| 03:29.28 | Renze | scim (via skim) doesn't provide a method to do hiragana? |
| 03:29.28 | alaQ-away | that would be. |
| 03:29.58 | ner0x | Renze: I'm not sure what scim is. But if I type the letter "t" I want the hiragana character "ka" to come up. |
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| 03:30.55 | alaQ-away | scim is the method of doing it. |
| 03:31.02 | Renze | ner0x: http://www.scim-im.org/ |
| 03:31.13 | alaQ-away | thanks Renze for the help |
| 03:31.35 | Renze | skim is the kde front-end for the above |
| 03:32.22 | ner0x | I'll be sure to do that now. |
| 03:32.36 | ner0x | Renze: It does what I want though? One key, one character conversion? |
| 03:32.50 | Renze | ner0x: no idea... I only know English ;) |
| 03:33.01 | ner0x | Renze: Well I guess I'll check it out. |
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| 03:40.33 | ner0x | Renze: Not what I want looking for. :) |
| 03:40.35 | ner0x | Oh well. |
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| 03:41.28 | Renze | c'est la vie |
| 03:41.36 | ner0x | Tell me about it. |
| 03:41.53 | Renze | la vie est merde |
| 03:43.52 | ner0x | Thought you only spoke english?! |
| 03:43.58 | Renze | I fake the rest |
| 03:44.55 | Renze | hahaha |
| 03:45.31 | ner0x | Hah. |
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| 03:48.13 | ner0x | Yeah, still didn't figure it out |
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| 03:50.45 | Renze | ner0x: this any use? http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Japanese/Computing_in_Japanese |
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| 03:55.28 | ner0x | Renze: Naw. This is a conversion tool. If I were to type "nihon" it would give me the hiragana for it. |
| 03:55.40 | ner0x | I want to type a key and output the actualy japanese. |
| 03:55.44 | ner0x | character. |
| 03:56.01 | ner0x | I have a japanese keyboard, "ni" "ho" "n" are only three keys. |
| 03:56.10 | satan | whats the best sound editor for kde? |
| 03:56.58 | Renze | "best" is subjective |
| 03:57.36 | alaQ-away | umm.. Audacity? it's cross-wm. |
| 03:57.50 | satan | cool, i'll check it out |
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| 03:57.57 | satan | i was hoping for something like sound forge in windows |
| 03:58.05 | alaQ | audacity. |
| 03:58.09 | alaQ | or rezound. |
| 03:58.52 | Renze | haven't touched windows since 1998 |
| 03:59.07 | satan | awesome thanks |
| 03:59.16 | alaQ | Renze: congrats. satan: no prob |
| 03:59.37 | alaQ | Renze: it's looks like audacity ;) |
| 03:59.46 | Renze | alaQ: ah, ok ;) |
| 04:00.31 | janemba | how can I remove 'alt+F1' bindkey in kicker ? |
| 04:01.03 | Renze | janemba: kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts |
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| 04:01.21 | janemba | thanks ;) |
| 04:01.23 | Renze | janemba: search for Popup Launch Menu |
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| 04:02.59 | janemba | cool it works, thanks again ;) |
| 04:03.07 | Renze | no problem |
| 04:04.24 | bluekb | How would I get KDE to see my installation of openoffice (in the /opt/ directory) and put it in the menus? |
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| 04:04.43 | bluekb | (/opt/openoffice.org2.0) |
| 04:05.27 | Renze | it is openoffice's responsibility to install .desktop files in the right place |
| 04:05.38 | alaQ | bluekb: easy way - right-click K menu, select edit menus. |
| 04:05.47 | alaQ | but it should be auto-done. |
| 04:06.53 | bluekb | looks like the *.desktop files are in /opt/openoffice.org2.0/share/xdg |
| 04:06.54 | bluekb | / |
| 04:07.19 | bluekb | Should I just copy them somewhere? |
| 04:07.46 | Renze | modify your XDG_CONFIG_DIRS env variable, maybe? |
| 04:08.35 | bluekb | will I have to restart the taskbar? |
| 04:08.44 | Renze | no |
| 04:08.55 | Renze | just run kbuildsycoca as user |
| 04:09.00 | bluekb | ok |
| 04:10.25 | bluekb | hmm. it seems that env var isn't even set. |
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| 04:10.47 | Renze | weird... it is in my distro ;) |
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| 04:13.15 | bluekb | Renze: setting the env var and running kbuildsycoca didn't do anything for the menus. |
| 04:13.34 | Renze | bluekb: the var needs to be set before KDE is started, I think |
| 04:13.48 | bluekb | erm, so I need to restart X? |
| 04:14.03 | Renze | better safe than sorry ;) |
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| 04:16.16 | Renze | int God; |
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| 04:18.32 | alaQ | Renze: integer God? I always thought he was a float. |
| 04:18.51 | Renze | "God is real, unless declared integer." |
| 04:19.02 | alaQ | ah. |
| 04:19.04 | Daverocks | lol |
| 04:20.55 | alaQ | I would have said declare double, but then i'd be polytheistic :) |
| 04:21.42 | Daverocks | nah, you'd just be a more precise monotheist ;) |
| 04:22.13 | Renze | bool God = false; |
| 04:22.29 | Simkin | god would have to be a class. |
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| 04:23.46 | alaQ | it depends... He could be an interface. No active methods, just ways to implement. |
| 04:24.21 | Renze | mathematically speaking, God is an imaginary number |
| 04:24.32 | Daverocks | imaginary numbers exist though |
| 04:24.39 | Renze | they do? |
| 04:24.43 | Daverocks | absolutely |
| 04:24.50 | Renze | example? |
| 04:25.02 | Daverocks | well, it's another number system |
| 04:25.13 | Renze | an imaginary one? |
| 04:25.15 | Daverocks | say that the only number system we knew of was integers |
| 04:25.31 | Daverocks | i ask you to give me an answer to 3/2 |
| 04:25.38 | Daverocks | in the integer number system |
| 04:25.39 | Renze | but I know about real numbers |
| 04:25.40 | Daverocks | you can't |
| 04:25.54 | Daverocks | only because you've been taught |
| 04:26.02 | Daverocks | you've been taught that there are numbers in between integers |
| 04:26.13 | Renze | no, I figured that out by myself |
| 04:26.35 | Hydrogen | no |
| 04:26.37 | Renze | numbers are a human construct anyway |
| 04:26.40 | Daverocks | nyyehhh, but you figured it out to make solutions for things wouldn't otherwise have solutions |
| 04:27.10 | Renze | just like God is a human construct ;) |
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| 04:27.18 | Hydrogen | prove it |
| 04:27.18 | Hydrogen | :) |
| 04:27.38 | Daverocks | and the complex number system also provides answers to problems. like for example, x^2+x+8=0. you can't solve that with real numbers. |
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| 04:28.11 | snugglemonkey | canllait1: ping? |
| 04:28.12 | Daverocks | you can't say that the complex numbers that humans have made up are any less valid than the real number system that humans _also_ made up |
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| 04:39.03 | Q-collective | sarixe: hey |
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| 04:42.52 | Sakui | is kde still 32-bit or is it ready for 64-bit cpus? |
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| 04:43.11 | Renze | Sakui: it'll run on whatever it is compiled for |
| 04:43.21 | Sakui | k |
| 04:43.54 | Sakui | but does the source have 64-bit instructions? |
| 04:44.07 | Renze | there are 64bit instructions? |
| 04:44.15 | Renze | I thought all that was up to the compiler? |
| 04:44.23 | sarixe | Q-collective: hola |
| 04:44.27 | Sakui | i dunno... |
| 04:44.35 | Renze | Sakui: C++ is CPU agnostic |
| 04:44.54 | Renze | Sakui: if it is compiled into 64-bit machine code, it will have 64bit instructions |
| 04:45.18 | Sakui | ok |
| 04:45.37 | Sakui | sorry if windows has made me stupid again :P |
| 04:45.48 | Renze | windows seems to do that to a lot of people |
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| 04:46.16 | Renze | especially microsoft staff :D |
| 04:46.57 | Sakui | well, I know linux, I just have not used it. |
| 04:47.10 | Sakui | cause I used windows as a tv |
| 04:47.15 | Renze | I've used nothing but for 8 years |
| 04:48.14 | Faust-C | Sakui: you know of linux |
| 04:48.31 | Faust-C | not know linux, that means you met him if it was a him |
| 04:48.32 | Sakui | i used gentoo for about a year |
| 04:48.36 | Faust-C | i hate gentoo |
| 04:48.40 | Faust-C | arh ftw |
| 04:48.44 | Faust-C | bah arch* |
| 04:48.51 | Faust-C | Renze: well i hate you lol jk |
| 04:48.57 | Sakui | hehe |
| 04:49.06 | Faust-C | Hostname: arch - OS: Linux 2.6.19-ARCH/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) (1794.210 MHz) - Processes: 84 - Uptime: 42m - Load Average: 0.56 - Memory Usage: 156.76mb/249.02mb (62.95%) - Disk Usage: 8.40gb/43.35gb (19.37%) |
| 04:49.14 | Faust-C | bah my system sucks atm |
| 04:49.19 | Faust-C | bu that will change soon |
| 04:50.14 | Sakui | what program do I need to get to use the autorun feature like in windows xp? |
| 04:50.27 | Renze | autorun? |
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| 04:50.46 | Sakui | pop in a CD or USB drive and it load it |
| 04:50.55 | Renze | KDE does that for you |
| 04:50.57 | Q-collective | install kde 3.5.x |
| 04:51.10 | Sakui | k |
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| 04:58.06 | Faust-C | Renze: when will 4 be released ? |
| 04:58.17 | Renze | when it's ready ;) |
| 04:58.24 | Renze | second half of this year |
| 04:58.24 | Q-collective | in about 6 to 9 months |
| 04:58.25 | Faust-C | Renze: ok great smartassness |
| 04:58.34 | Faust-C | Q-collective: damiit |
| 04:58.45 | Faust-C | i cant wait for the goodness that is kde |
| 04:58.45 | Q-collective | yeah well |
| 04:58.51 | Q-collective | it's a BIG release |
| 04:58.56 | Faust-C | bah but i hate that i have to use mono |
| 04:59.06 | Renze | why do you have to use mono? |
| 04:59.08 | Jucato | ?? |
| 04:59.09 | Q-collective | you have to use ewwno? |
| 04:59.11 | Q-collective | :o |
| 04:59.18 | Renze | I'm using strigi with kde3 |
| 04:59.30 | Sakui | whats the big deal about KDE4? |
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| 04:59.35 | Q-collective | ?? kde4 |
| 04:59.36 | DDB_OLD | q-collective: kde4: The next generation of KDE for *nix, MacOS X and Windows. It'll feature Qt4 support, full dbus support, Plasma, Solid, Strigi, Phonon, Oxygen and more. And it'll be the fastest KDE ever. It is so gonna kick Vista ... :) |
| 04:59.39 | Fenix-Dark | hi |
| 04:59.39 | Q-collective | that is ^^ |
| 04:59.40 | Faust-C | Jucato: meaning i hate having to get gnome deps |
| 04:59.50 | Jucato | then don't use mono :) |
| 04:59.56 | Fenix-Dark | which of the eyecandy setups can you use with kde? |
| 05:00.00 | Fenix-Dark | kde 3.5.5 |
| 05:00.01 | Faust-C | Jucato: i "have" to |
| 05:00.03 | spawn57 | i prefer crystal-clear to oxygen |
| 05:00.07 | Jucato | oh.. :) |
| 05:00.11 | Faust-C | naw oxygen is da shiz no |
| 05:00.12 | Faust-C | z |
| 05:00.15 | Faust-C | i have em atm |
| 05:00.20 | Q-collective | spawn57: then just use whatever the hell you want |
| 05:00.21 | Q-collective | :p |
| 05:00.27 | Jucato | spawn57: except that crystal clear isn't/won't be as complete... |
| 05:00.39 | Jucato | and at least Oxygen is a collaborative effort... |
| 05:00.48 | spawn57 | yeah that's true |
| 05:00.50 | Faust-C | oxygen is the = to tango eh |
| 05:00.53 | spawn57 | oxygen does look pretty neat |
| 05:01.02 | Jucato | Faust-C: not really.. |
| 05:01.07 | Faust-C | spawn57: they just need to make a button for kmenu |
| 05:01.07 | Renze | oxygen kicks tango's a$$ |
| 05:01.12 | Jucato | Oxygen never claimed nor aims to be a standard |
| 05:01.27 | Faust-C | Jucato: meaning its for kde, as where tango is for gnome get it |
| 05:01.47 | Renze | tango was supposed to be a cross-desktop standard |
| 05:01.48 | spawn57 | crystal clear is more of a personal preference, I like the cartoony look for everaldo creates |
| 05:01.51 | Jucato | Faust-C: tango isn't just for GNOME |
| 05:01.59 | Faust-C | Jucato: well idc |
| 05:02.18 | Jucato | spawn57: I though crystal clear was the more realistic of the 3? |
| 05:02.24 | Renze | Jucato: it is |
| 05:02.42 | Jucato | Sho_: unless you can steal it from inside me, it's futile :P |
| 05:02.46 | Faust-C | strigi* |
| 05:02.50 | Sho_ | :( |
| 05:03.10 | Faust-C | only they need to make it where yo ucan just seach for name rather than name.ext |
| 05:03.16 | Sho_ | Jucato: Not yet ... think I'll skip it tonight, too |
| 05:03.28 | Jucato | hah :) |
| 05:03.34 | Renze | Faust-C: um, you can |
| 05:03.45 | Faust-C | Renze: well forinstance |
| 05:03.51 | spawn57 | Jucato: oxygen looks a l'il more realistic, crystal uses more viabrant colours. THe shapes are realistic but the colouring is cartoony |
| 05:03.57 | Faust-C | i had a file called frostwire.log in my home dir |
| 05:04.05 | Faust-C | i searched for frostwire |
| 05:04.08 | Faust-C | and it came blank |
| 05:04.15 | Faust-C | i did frostwire.log |
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| 05:04.18 | Faust-C | and it found it |
| 05:04.20 | *** part/#kde Peter_G (n=Solar@user018.dialup.uti.com) |
| 05:04.20 | Faust-C | odd |
| 05:04.20 | Renze | Faust-C: try filename:frostwire* |
| 05:04.21 | Jucato | spawn57: I'm talking about Crystal Clear, specifically. Crystal SVG is the cartoony one... |
| 05:04.29 | Faust-C | Renze: it does that automaticly |
| 05:04.37 | Faust-C | so i dont have to add * |
| 05:04.38 | Renze | Faust-C: ah, you mean in the applet |
| 05:04.42 | Faust-C | Renze: yes |
| 05:04.44 | spawn57 | Jucato: ah i'm comparing to oxygen |
| 05:04.47 | Renze | I prefer the web interface |
| 05:04.57 | Faust-C | Renze: the kio thing |
| 05:04.58 | Jucato | spawn57: Oxygen also uses 2 sets of colors, vibrant (for actions/icons) and normal |
| 05:05.00 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: hi |
| 05:05.02 | Renze | Faust-C: yes |
| 05:05.04 | Faust-C | well yeah lemme see if that works better |
| 05:05.10 | Jucato | hi RAV_TUX!! fancy seeing you here :) |
| 05:05.30 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: what distro do you use now? ubuntu? |
| 05:05.31 | Jucato | spawn57: I was comparing Oxygen and Crystal Clear :) |
| 05:05.37 | Jucato | RAV_TUX: half-half :) |
| 05:05.41 | Faust-C | Renze: nope |
| 05:05.49 | Renze | Faust-C: works for me |
| 05:05.50 | Faust-C | Renze: hmm ill have to look into this more |
| 05:05.56 | Faust-C | Renze: give a example |
| 05:06.05 | Faust-C | so i can see if we are doing the same things |
| 05:06.07 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: half-half is that a Debian derivative? |
| 05:06.23 | Jucato | RAV_TUX: lol :) |
| 05:06.26 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: ;- |
| 05:06.27 | RAV_TUX | 0 |
| 05:06.30 | Renze | Faust-C: "filename:*potter*" finds two books and a movie ;) |
| 05:06.32 | Jucato | RAV_TUX: half Kubuntu (base Ubuntu/install) and half pure KDE |
| 05:06.41 | spawn57 | Jucato: i saw, I like it's the harder lines for shading everaldo. oxygen uses gradients for shading. The harder lines make the icons look more viabrant and colourful and cartoony =P |
| 05:06.43 | RAV_TUX | ahhh I see |
| 05:06.44 | Jucato | Sho_: I also liked Nuvola in some aspects... |
| 05:06.55 | Faust-C | Renze: i see |
| 05:07.05 | Faust-C | Renze: maybe i need to do *file* |
| 05:07.06 | Jucato | Sho_: I just hate the Amarok icon it uses... |
| 05:07.09 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: use Sabayon on my primary computer, ubuntu on older box |
| 05:07.14 | Faust-C | maybe that will increase performance |
| 05:07.17 | spawn57 | Jucato: i hate those too haha |
| 05:07.31 | Faust-C | Renze: cause i really need this when i get my 300 gig gdd |
| 05:07.47 | Faust-C | hdd* |
| 05:07.48 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: cya....nice to see you as always ;-) |
| 05:07.52 | Jucato | Nuvola is less glossy/shiny though :) |
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| 05:08.13 | Jucato | RAV_TUX: hehe! good luck with the forums, btw :) |
| 05:08.33 | Faust-C | Renze: ahh you where CORRECT as usuall |
| 05:08.39 | Faust-C | Renze: using the *file* |
| 05:08.43 | Faust-C | made it find items |
| 05:08.43 | Renze | Faust-C: the strigi integration will be better in KDE4 |
| 05:08.44 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: thanks..since I mod two now....Sabayon & Ubuntu |
| 05:08.50 | Faust-C | Renze: i knew that was maybe the issue |
| 05:09.01 | Faust-C | Renze: man im drolling over 4 |
| 05:09.03 | Jucato | RAV_TUX: ooh that's gonna be kinda.. um.. hard |
| 05:09.06 | Faust-C | drooling8 |
| 05:09.07 | *** part/#kde Peter_G (n=Solar@user018.dialup.uti.com) |
| 05:09.08 | Faust-C | dammit |
| 05:09.12 | Faust-C | well you get the idea |
| 05:09.19 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: nah easy |
| 05:09.49 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: by the way the new Beryl 0.1.4 Rocks!! |
| 05:10.40 | Faust-C | im on a weak system |
| 05:10.44 | Faust-C | i cant handle beryl |
| 05:10.46 | Jucato | Renze: you are?!?!?! |
| 05:10.51 | spawn57 | RAV_TUX: tell me about it! |
| 05:10.57 | Sho_ | Renze: Dissident! |
| 05:11.03 | Renze | Jucato: yes, the latest update to xorg-server made AIGLX work on my 9600 |
| 05:11.08 | Jucato | Renze: who are you and what have you done to Renze?? |
| 05:11.09 | RAV_TUX | spawn57: I just emerged it tonight |
| 05:11.09 | Renze | Sho_: only until KDE4 |
| 05:11.32 | RAV_TUX | have to go guys |
| 05:11.34 | Jucato | the Renze I know couldn't stand eyecandy, fancy stuff, and artistic beauty |
| 05:11.36 | RAV_TUX | have a good night |
| 05:11.41 | spawn57 | cya RAV_TUX |
| 05:11.43 | Jucato | bye RAV_TUX!! sweet dreams! |
| 05:11.49 | Renze | Jucato: I have most of the eye-candy turned off, actually... not a single flame in sight |
| 05:11.51 | spawn57 | that's it i'm going to try out beryl |
| 05:11.53 | RAV_TUX | http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5083/snapshot317jv.png |
| 05:12.16 | RAV_TUX | My desktop Beryl 0.1.4 KDE, on Sabayon 3.26 |
| 05:12.20 | Renze | Jucato: actually, I like artistic beauty... just not stuff that slows down productivity |
| 05:12.23 | RAV_TUX | very minimalistic |
| 05:12.35 | RAV_TUX | night all |
| 05:13.03 | Daverocks | is it a bad thing if beryl works well and smoothly on my system, but i decide not to use it? :P |
| 05:13.10 | Daverocks | a serious question |
| 05:13.14 | RAV_TUX | Jucato: I agree they are desktop acclerators more so |
| 05:13.17 | Renze | now this is minimal: http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot146wx.jpg |
| 05:13.39 | Jucato | RAV_TUX: desktop compositing or compositing WM's is the more proper term, imho |
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| 05:14.13 | RAV_TUX | Renze: get rid of the icons then it will be minimal |
| 05:14.20 | Renze | RAV_TUX: I use those |
| 05:14.46 | Sho_ | Renze: You use features? What are you, one of those nutty KDE people? |
| 05:14.58 | RAV_TUX | I use tons of stuff but access them from the SUSE style start menu instead |
| 05:14.59 | Renze | Sho_: absolutely! |
| 05:15.01 | Jucato | he is |
| 05:15.02 | Sho_ | :) |
| 05:15.02 | Jucato | lol |
| 05:15.17 | Renze | please note the lack of a start menu ;) |
| 05:15.27 | RAV_TUX | no icon on my desktop...no waste basket either |
| 05:15.38 | Daverocks | i don't see the point of icons on a desktop |
| 05:15.40 | bluek1 | Renze: *shrug* no dice. |
| 05:15.46 | RAV_TUX | Renze: I like that |
| 05:15.49 | Daverocks | i use alt-F2 for everything |
| 05:16.10 | RAV_TUX | Daverocks: great idea |
| 05:16.18 | Renze | Sho_: heh ;) |
| 05:16.26 | RAV_TUX | ok have to go |
| 05:16.31 | RAV_TUX | godnight all |
| 05:16.49 | Faust-C | i have a odd fetish for the system tray |
| 05:16.52 | Faust-C | idk why |
| 05:17.00 | Faust-C | maybe cause i can hide stuff... |
| 05:17.02 | Renze | Faust-C: Microsoft corruption? |
| 05:17.03 | Daverocks | oh yes, i need the system tray |
| 05:17.17 | Daverocks | i've always said that i'm not pro-kde, i'm just anti-gnome |
| 05:17.30 | Hydrogen | see |
| 05:17.33 | Daverocks | so i'm fine with, like, fluxbox, as long it has a system tray, which it does |
| 05:17.39 | Hydrogen | i have a real 3d desktop |
| 05:17.44 | Hydrogen | 3d projector++ |
| 05:17.50 | Hydrogen | it surrounds me |
| 05:17.58 | Daverocks | awesome |
| 05:18.02 | Hydrogen | and I just poke at the icons on the desktop |
| 05:18.06 | Hydrogen | to open things |
| 05:18.14 | Hydrogen | gives a whole new meaning to the word kicker it does! |
| 05:18.37 | Daverocks | yes, i can imagine running across my desktop screen to kick things far away |
| 05:19.08 | Faust-C | lol |
| 05:19.21 | Faust-C | Renze: man i made MS useable w/ SharpE |
| 05:19.28 | Faust-C | best shell for MS |
| 05:19.36 | Faust-C | since i do "have" to use it at work |
| 05:19.44 | Faust-C | but im IT so i can mod my system |
| 05:20.24 | Faust-C | Renze: well i wish i could |
| 05:20.36 | Faust-C | but im trying to convince them to use linux |
| 05:20.47 | Faust-C | but the users are so damn worried |
| 05:20.56 | Faust-C | they lack the learning ability |
| 05:21.14 | Faust-C | they think there will be a compatibility issue |
| 05:21.18 | Daverocks | it's called FUD |
| 05:21.18 | Daverocks | and it's not a good thing |
| 05:21.18 | Daverocks | people think that free things are worse in quality |
| 05:21.26 | Faust-C | but linux can use or has everything like MS excluding viruses |
| 05:21.27 | Renze | users are dumb |
| 05:21.48 | Daverocks | a well managed linux network has no compatibility problems |
| 05:21.49 | Faust-C | they think that they cant use MS formats |
| 05:22.01 | Faust-C | Daverocks: thats what ive been trying to explain |
| 05:22.25 | Faust-C | but ill show them very soon |
| 05:22.41 | Daverocks | openoffice is more compatible with .doc than word is |
| 05:22.46 | Faust-C | lol i know |
| 05:22.47 | Daverocks | *openoffice.org |
| 05:22.54 | Faust-C | but what about access ? |
| 05:22.58 | Faust-C | the data base stuff |
| 05:23.02 | Faust-C | idk of a app for that |
| 05:23.10 | Daverocks | openoffice.org base -.- |
| 05:23.15 | Faust-C | i see |
| 05:23.20 | Daverocks | it can open MDBs |
| 05:23.27 | Faust-C | Davnice |
| 05:23.33 | Daverocks | this is a kde chan, so i probably should mention KOffice though :P |
| 05:23.38 | Faust-C | lol |
| 05:23.56 | Faust-C | well the kde desktop will be the desktop ill have them use |
| 05:24.07 | Faust-C | cause its the easiest to use |
| 05:24.16 | Daverocks | ^_^ |
| 05:24.24 | Faust-C | the main reason were going w/ linux is to manage the users better |
| 05:24.39 | Daverocks | yes, linux is good at that |
| 05:24.40 | Faust-C | cause they seem to want to install shit and fuck up the systems all the time |
| 05:24.40 | Daverocks | :P |
| 05:24.57 | Daverocks | windows has no concept of permissions |
| 05:25.12 | Faust-C | Daverocks: and vista is supposed to fix that lmfrao |
| 05:25.19 | Renze | windows is a single user system with multi user stuff tacked on as an afterthought |
| 05:25.29 | Daverocks | that's right |
| 05:25.37 | Faust-C | i blame gentoo's creator for the sudden unix based security all of the sudden |
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| 05:25.46 | Daverocks | lol |
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| 05:25.48 | Faust-C | in vista |
| 05:25.48 | Daverocks | gentoo is good |
| 05:25.58 | Faust-C | Daverocks: the creator worked for MS for 6 mo |
| 05:26.16 | Daverocks | nah, i blame the 35 year old unix philosophy |
| 05:26.16 | Faust-C | and during that time MS started realeasing "distro" type vers of MS |
| 05:26.32 | Faust-C | and the new to them security features |
| 05:26.39 | Faust-C | man MS is a thief |
| 05:26.46 | Daverocks | heh, i didn't know that about gentoo lol |
| 05:26.47 | Faust-C | they stole the TCP stack from BSd |
| 05:26.56 | Faust-C | Daverocks: yeah he only lasted 6 mo |
| 05:27.06 | Faust-C | said they had differences |
| 05:27.07 | Daverocks | serves BSD well for having the license allowing that ;) |
| 05:27.25 | Daverocks | but M$ have stolen so much from apple |
| 05:27.28 | Faust-C | man what next |
| 05:27.37 | Daverocks | especially a lot from OSX in vista |
| 05:27.38 | Faust-C | Daverocks: man MS will fall soon and very hard |
| 05:27.47 | Daverocks | i doubt it. |
| 05:27.51 | Faust-C | vista's DRM will cause users to swicth |
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| 05:28.02 | Faust-C | man it will del files if you havent bought them |
| 05:28.18 | Daverocks | people will only switch if the OEMs will sell computers without windows, or with linux |
| 05:28.18 | Faust-C | and its gonna purposely make certain apps not compatible |
| 05:28.39 | Faust-C | Daverocks: there shall be a movement in the force |
| 05:28.40 | Daverocks | i know vista is crap, but people will use it because they will be forced to, and they won't know any better |
| 05:28.43 | Faust-C | can you sense it |
| 05:28.51 | Daverocks | no, i don't think so. |
| 05:28.53 | Daverocks | :P |
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| 05:29.03 | Renze | most computer users don't know what an OS is, and assume all computers show Windows when they are turned on |
| 05:29.03 | Faust-C | nope thats my pecker |
| 05:29.09 | Faust-C | lol ^^ |
| 05:29.11 | Faust-C | so true |
| 05:29.12 | Daverocks | Renze: correct |
| 05:29.52 | Daverocks | most people i know don't get angry when i tell them they have to use this and this; as long as it's easy to use and they can do what they want, they're happy |
| 05:29.54 | Faust-C | sweet my system got backed up |
| 05:30.02 | Daverocks | like switching my family to firefox and thunderbird |
| 05:30.08 | Faust-C | Daverocks: OPERA |
| 05:30.10 | Faust-C | lol |
| 05:30.16 | Faust-C | and kmail |
| 05:30.16 | Daverocks | Faust-C: i have issues with opera |
| 05:30.20 | Faust-C | Daverocks: like ? |
| 05:30.20 | Hydrogen | Faust-C: you do realize that the tcp stack from bsd has made it into just about every modern operating system... including linux.. are you calling mr torvaldis a theif as well? |
| 05:30.37 | Daverocks | Faust-C: i don't know :P |
| 05:30.38 | Faust-C | Hydrogen: he doesnt make a profit directly from it |
| 05:30.40 | spawn57 | I like konqueror |
| 05:30.42 | Daverocks | i use konqueror |
| 05:31.03 | Faust-C | Daverocks: i use opera due to it uses qt already so why not ? |
| 05:31.08 | Daverocks | i just like it cause it starts up faster than firefox, and seems to load pages faster |
| 05:31.19 | Daverocks | Faust-C: ok, opera's pretty good |
| 05:31.21 | Faust-C | Hydrogen: all linus isnt the sole dev for the kernel |
| 05:31.21 | Hydrogen | opera++ |
| 05:31.30 | Faust-C | i prefer ALan Cox |
| 05:31.33 | Faust-C | hes my hero |
| 05:31.35 | Hydrogen | are you saying theres a dev called "Microsoft" |
| 05:31.39 | Daverocks | it's a shame opera isn't more represented |
| 05:31.44 | Faust-C | Daverocks: so true |
| 05:31.46 | Hydrogen | or are you off on another tangent |
| 05:31.53 | Faust-C | Daverocks: has a lot of stuff built in very nice |
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| 05:31.59 | Daverocks | mm |
| 05:32.06 | Daverocks | firefox spread like crazy |
| 05:32.10 | Faust-C | Hydrogen: im a opensource zealot so just ignore me at times |
| 05:32.10 | oorza | Is there any plans to have kwm composite? |
| 05:32.16 | Daverocks | amazing what word of mouth can do |
| 05:32.21 | Hydrogen | oorza: in kde4 |
| 05:32.24 | Hydrogen | oorza: yes |
| 05:32.26 | Renze | firefox spread like crazy because IE is so fscking awful |
| 05:32.29 | Faust-C | Daverocks: and that it resempbles IE |
| 05:32.42 | Faust-C | ppl dont like opera cause it looks diff |
| 05:32.47 | Renze | oorza: kwin in kde4 already does composite |
| 05:32.53 | Faust-C | they want it to at least look similar to IE |
| 05:32.55 | Daverocks | yep, it's very simple to switch to firefox |
| 05:32.58 | oorza | and are they going to have it composite for the sake of compositng or are they going to use composition effects? and if so, what will they ve |
| 05:33.06 | Faust-C | opera has so much stuff i like though |
| 05:33.11 | Faust-C | like built in adblocking |
| 05:33.14 | oorza | opera is so bloated and slow |
| 05:33.19 | Hydrogen | its going to allow a whole bunch of useful things |
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| 05:33.19 | Faust-C | oorza: bloated ?? |
| 05:33.20 | Renze | oorza: plugins are up to whoever wants to write them |
| 05:33.29 | Faust-C | oorza: you haevnt seen the tests |
| 05:33.35 | oorza | I have |
| 05:33.36 | Faust-C | err what are they called |
| 05:33.39 | Daverocks | i used to think opera was slow, but using it recently i changed my mind |
| 05:33.53 | oorza | firefox is faster for me |
| 05:33.56 | Faust-C | its less mem intense than IE, FF and mozilla |
| 05:33.58 | Renze | opera9 is noticeable smaller and faster than firefox |
| 05:34.00 | Hydrogen | oorza: you will have to do some research to find out exactly what is implemented///what is planned for kde4 compositing, but from what i've read its planned to be used as much as possible |
| 05:34.02 | Faust-C | and renders faster |
| 05:34.03 | oorza | Renze so they are going with a plugin system like beryl? |
| 05:34.08 | Renze | oorza: apparently |
| 05:34.13 | oorza | hawt |
| 05:34.16 | oorza | maybe I'll use kde4 |
| 05:34.28 | Renze | oorza: you might want to confirm that in #kde4-devel |
| 05:34.30 | Daverocks | very good browser speed comparison --> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html |
| 05:35.05 | Faust-C | Daverocks: ahh ty for the site |
| 05:35.30 | Daverocks | lmao |
| 05:35.34 | Daverocks | you're welcome ;) |
| 05:35.41 | *** part/#kde aimee (n=birgitzp@222.252.109.44) |
| 05:35.46 | Renze | Faust-C: ever played lamerball? it's like soccer with trolls as the ball. |
| 05:35.47 | Daverocks | konqueror's startup time ownz |
| 05:36.05 | Faust-C | lol Renze |
| 05:36.17 | Faust-C | i only go by facts |
| 05:36.27 | Faust-C | i dont do the FF is better cause someone said it was |
| 05:36.45 | Renze | Faust-C: popular opinion seems to be all the evidence some people need |
| 05:36.46 | Faust-C | i use alot of apps and choose on thier speed and usuability |
| 05:37.01 | Faust-C | Renze: and thats what led to MS being a monopoly |
| 05:37.10 | Faust-C | so what ppl say isnt always true |
| 05:37.14 | Renze | Faust-C: no, that was MS forcing retailers to preinstall |
| 05:37.15 | Faust-C | cold hard facts lol |
| 05:37.27 | LiquidNerd_ | also there was no real alternative |
| 05:37.33 | Faust-C | Renze: man i swear BestBuy and comp stores hate me |
| 05:37.47 | Faust-C | i always bust thier asses when it comes to comp knowlegde |
| 05:37.52 | Renze | Faust-C: I play with salesdrones by asking linux questions :D |
| 05:37.58 | Faust-C | lol |
| 05:38.01 | Faust-C | i do too |
| 05:38.07 | Faust-C | they are liek what ... |
| 05:38.14 | Faust-C | whats a linux |
| 05:38.21 | Faust-C | OMG your a h4x0r |
| 05:38.25 | Faust-C | is the main response |
| 05:38.28 | Faust-C | dumbasses |
| 05:38.32 | Renze | my ISP's helpdesk people don't like me very much either... I keep telling them how to fix their problems :D |
| 05:38.41 | LiquidNerd_ | I'd say Linux only became a real preinstall OS last year... before that it didn't have enough hardware support |
| 05:38.57 | Faust-C | Renze: ha sprint got pwnd |
| 05:38.58 | bsdfox | preinstall os? yeah right |
| 05:39.06 | bsdfox | 0% of computers sold come with linux on them |
| 05:39.09 | Faust-C | bsdfox: for a while Dell was preinstalling SUSE |
| 05:39.11 | Daverocks | the most common response i get when i tell people about linux is something along the lines of "oh, i heard about that, how much does it cost?" |
| 05:39.22 | LiquidNerd_ | heh |
| 05:39.27 | Faust-C | Daverocks: im like uh the cost of a cdr |
| 05:39.34 | bsdfox | still you're talking < 2% for sure |
| 05:39.35 | Faust-C | .0005 censt |
| 05:39.36 | Renze | Daverocks: there was a guy who came in here a few weeks ago asking how much KDE cost :D |
| 05:39.41 | Faust-C | lol |
| 05:39.41 | mattjeet | Daverocks: haha, try hanging out at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld |
| 05:39.43 | Daverocks | Renze: lol |
| 05:39.51 | Faust-C | mattjeet: lol |
| 05:39.53 | mattjeet | Daverocks: "what distro of linux is this!?" |
| 05:39.58 | Daverocks | bahahahahaaha |
| 05:39.59 | mattjeet | by the 3rd day, i'm a wreck |
| 05:39.59 | Faust-C | ha |
| 05:40.06 | bsdfox | freebsd is the best distro of linux :) |
| 05:40.07 | Renze | "how much will KDE4 cost?" "cost? it's free" "free? are you kidding?" |
| 05:40.10 | Daverocks | i feel sorry for freebsd users |
| 05:40.16 | mattjeet | i don't ;) |
| 05:40.19 | LiquidNerd_ | bsdfox: I don't mean that it was actually preinstalled, I'm saying it's actually at a point where you can preinstall it and have a total moron use it |
| 05:40.26 | oorza | Faust-C I have the best Best Buy story... I was in the router section and this GeekSquad guy was trying, unsuccessfully, to explain the SpeedBoost router to someone (who wasn't dumb) but the GeekSquad didn't have clue wtf he was talking about, so I say "Excuse me' pick up a Linksys router and am like "You know, this one is $30 cheapre and can be faster with a simple firmware hack." and then walk off. As I leave, I hear the guy saying "Wait, how do I do tha |
| 05:40.27 | oorza | t" and the TGeekSquad guy mumbling incohernet nonsense about how that's not possible, etc. etc. He looked really pissed |
| 05:40.27 | mattjeet | and don't feel sorry for Juniper Networks, Yahoo, NetApp, etc |
| 05:40.28 | Faust-C | Daverocks: HW support for them isnt great |
| 05:40.28 | mattjeet | bwhahahha |
| 05:40.30 | bsdfox | oh |
| 05:40.47 | Daverocks | not because they use freebsd, but because all the companies don't talk about bsd in their OSS PR crap |
| 05:40.49 | Faust-C | oorza: LMFAO |
| 05:40.53 | Faust-C | man they are dumb |
| 05:41.03 | Faust-C | just cause they can format and install MS doesnt make them a geek |
| 05:41.15 | Daverocks | and because people don't think about freebsd when they develop apps. they just develop for linux |
| 05:41.16 | oorza | no, just a MS fanboi |
| 05:41.20 | Faust-C | IM A REAL NERD |
| 05:41.28 | oorza | I am a bigger nerd |
| 05:41.36 | Faust-C | i use linux even though it causes my wife pain |
| 05:41.36 | Renze | ich bin ein geek |
| 05:41.40 | oorza | pwntkthxbye |
| 05:41.45 | Faust-C | lol |
| 05:41.49 | Renze | oorza: ew, an MtG geek |
| 05:42.01 | oorza | AND a linux geek |
| 05:42.03 | Faust-C | nethack foo recognize |
| 05:42.04 | LiquidNerd_ | stay back 10 meeters |
| 05:42.10 | Daverocks | i'm going to force myself to get used to beryl |
| 05:42.23 | oorza | beryl is amazing software if you can get it to work stably |
| 05:42.28 | oorza | //if// |
| 05:42.37 | Renze | it's stable as a rock here |
| 05:42.51 | Renze | Jucato: MtG is the crack cocaine of role-playing |
| 05:43.06 | Faust-C | well im gonna go my unix soldiers i bid you farewell |
| 05:43.07 | Daverocks | lol |
| 05:43.11 | Daverocks | cya Faust-C |
| 05:43.13 | Faust-C | Daverocks: btw thx again for the humor |
| 05:43.20 | LiquidNerd_ | One time at future shop with a buddy of mine a sales person was telling this elderly lady that computers get slower as they get older... I had to pipe up rather loudly to my friend "Must be because of gamma rays.." The sales guys didn't look too happy about it |
| 05:43.22 | Daverocks | um, you're welcome? |
| 05:43.22 | Faust-C | Renze: and thx for the *file* info lol |
| 05:43.23 | Renze | Jucato: pffffft! |
| 05:43.34 | Jucato | unix soldiers? |
| 05:43.37 | oorza | LiquidNerd_ lol |
| 05:44.22 | Renze | mmmmm... gamma rays... |
| 05:44.32 | LiquidNerd_ | lol |
| 05:44.34 | Renze | Renze SMASH! |
| 05:44.47 | LiquidNerd_ | hulks out.. now there's a phrase I've never seen before.. |
| 05:45.07 | spawn57 | I have a vcd of hulk on my desk haha |
| 05:45.15 | Jucato | heh |
| 05:45.54 | spawn57 | i even bought the directors cut of daredevil on dvd |
| 05:46.07 | spawn57 | torn up ones =P |
| 05:46.15 | Renze | I hate purple! |
| 05:46.51 | spawn57 | yeah same |
| 05:46.53 | spawn57 | blue ftw |
| 05:47.01 | Renze | green ftw ;) |
| 05:47.31 | spawn57 | boo |
| 05:47.48 | archangelpetro | evening guys |
| 05:47.55 | archangelpetro | purple is a good colour!!!!!! |
| 05:47.58 | Renze | guten abend, archangelpetro |
| 05:48.06 | archangelpetro | abend == evening? |
| 05:48.11 | Renze | I think so |
| 05:48.25 | archangelpetro | i dont speak german so forgive my lack of conceptual prowess :) |
| 05:48.26 | archangelpetro | hehe |
| 05:48.29 | Renze | my german is rusty/nonexistant |
| 05:48.34 | archangelpetro | ditto :D |
| 05:48.42 | archangelpetro | not give me any other european langage :D |
| 05:48.43 | Renze | ich habe ein sauerbraten |
| 05:48.44 | archangelpetro | now* |
| 05:48.50 | spawn57 | some german guy called me a mutterficker the other day in one of these channels |
| 05:48.55 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 05:49.00 | archangelpetro | oh well |
| 05:49.29 | oorza | lol |
| 05:49.43 | oorza | Yo solo puedo hablar dos linguas - ingles y espanol |
| 05:49.48 | oorza | No german for me here |
| 05:49.51 | archangelpetro | bleh |
| 05:49.59 | Renze | hablar en inglés, por favor |
| 05:50.10 | archangelpetro | well spanish aint too hot for me either :P |
| 05:50.22 | archangelpetro | i can manage french italian and russian :P |
| 05:50.29 | Renze | merde! |
| 05:50.31 | spawn57 | meh i would so type out in cantonese if I could write in chinese using my wacom tablet |
| 05:50.33 | archangelpetro | merda! |
| 05:50.37 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 05:50.41 | archangelpetro | i am learning cantonese |
| 05:50.42 | oorza | murder! |
| 05:50.50 | spawn57 | what for? |
| 05:50.51 | archangelpetro | to read and write |
| 05:50.57 | archangelpetro | im moving to hong kong in a few years |
| 05:50.58 | Renze | tête-de-merde |
| 05:50.59 | spawn57 | i barely write it |
| 05:51.01 | archangelpetro | most likealy |
| 05:51.03 | spawn57 | bring a gas mask |
| 05:51.04 | archangelpetro | renze :( |
| 05:51.11 | archangelpetro | why? |
| 05:51.14 | archangelpetro | pollution? |
| 05:51.19 | spawn57 | cos the air here kills a lot of people |
| 05:51.25 | archangelpetro | well |
| 05:51.30 | archangelpetro | i intend to be rich and buy my own air |
| 05:51.32 | archangelpetro | hehehe |
| 05:51.35 | spawn57 | and watch what you eat |
| 05:51.46 | archangelpetro | nice way of putting me off ;) |
| 05:51.47 | Renze | yes, it might be your neighbour's cat |
| 05:51.50 | spawn57 | oh those things, yeah you gotta be rich, they're kinda pricey |
| 05:51.51 | archangelpetro | but alllllllllllll the asian girls |
| 05:52.00 | spawn57 | ... |
| 05:52.02 | spawn57 | go to japan |
| 05:52.07 | archangelpetro | incidently that's not the reason im going to HK |
| 05:52.10 | archangelpetro | yea.. |
| 05:52.11 | archangelpetro | i intend to |
| 05:52.16 | spawn57 | heh |
| 05:52.25 | archangelpetro | but a mate im living with atm is from hong kong |
| 05:52.27 | spawn57 | why are you coming here? |
| 05:52.27 | archangelpetro | so |
| 05:52.37 | spawn57 | ah |
| 05:52.40 | archangelpetro | he wants to continue/set up his family's business there |
| 05:52.41 | Renze | 私のホバークラフトはウナギの完全である |
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| 05:52.59 | Hydrogen | is that your friendly reminder for me to get this box fully unicode aware? |
| 05:53.03 | spawn57 | lol Renze, where'd you learn all that katakana |
| 05:53.10 | archangelpetro | well, id ont know what it means but i can read some of the words |
| 05:53.15 | Renze | spawn57: learn? it's cut-n-pasted from babelfish :D |
| 05:53.32 | spawn57 | =P |
| 05:53.54 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 05:53.59 | Renze | Hydrogen: get your box fully unicode aware ;) |
| 05:54.10 | Hydrogen | havn't gotten around to it yet >_< |
| 05:54.15 | Hydrogen | its a new box |
| 05:54.21 | Hydrogen | finally got it really going today |
| 05:54.21 | archangelpetro | So spawn57 you're in HK atm? |
| 05:54.29 | spawn57 | I'm born and raised here |
| 05:54.32 | spawn57 | I'm indian though |
| 05:54.37 | archangelpetro | well, cantonese |
| 05:54.49 | spawn57 | indian =P |
| 05:54.49 | archangelpetro | let me ask something.. my friend is a lil weird about teaching me things so i kinda have to learn on my own |
| 05:54.56 | spawn57 | ahh |
| 05:54.58 | archangelpetro | you speak cantonese though, correct? |
| 05:55.09 | spawn57 | i started learning it when I was 18 |
| 05:55.13 | archangelpetro | well.. |
| 05:55.15 | spawn57 | so i can teach help you aout a lot more |
| 05:55.24 | spawn57 | cos I can give direction |
| 05:55.26 | archangelpetro | you know how to say 'yes' in cantonese |
| 05:55.28 | archangelpetro | cuz in chinese |
| 05:55.29 | archangelpetro | it's |
| 05:55.30 | archangelpetro | shi de |
| 05:55.37 | archangelpetro | but my friend, when talking ot his father |
| 05:55.39 | Renze | シ |
| 05:55.40 | archangelpetro | uses 'hai' |
| 05:55.45 | spawn57 | there isn't a genral word for it |
| 05:55.47 | archangelpetro | and 'mmm hai' to mean no |
| 05:55.50 | spawn57 | it depends on the question |
| 05:55.54 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 05:56.02 | archangelpetro | ffs |
| 05:56.03 | spawn57 | questions in chinse are do you or don't you want to eat this |
| 05:56.18 | archangelpetro | ah |
| 05:56.22 | spawn57 | so you say the verb, for yes |
| 05:56.28 | archangelpetro | shi de/ |
| 05:56.29 | Renze | broiled chicken feet? um, no ;) |
| 05:56.35 | spawn57 | 'no't verb, for no |
| 05:56.41 | spawn57 | Renze: you're missing out, those are good |
| 05:56.44 | archangelpetro | lol; confuzzling ;) |
| 05:56.48 | Renze | bleh |
| 05:56.52 | spawn57 | naw, piss easy |
| 05:56.55 | archangelpetro | :P |
| 05:56.56 | archangelpetro | well |
| 05:57.02 | archangelpetro | im sure i'll pick it up |
| 05:57.06 | archangelpetro | i've ordered some texts |
| 05:57.09 | spawn57 | you can use hai and im hai for most things |
| 05:57.14 | spawn57 | hmm |
| 05:57.18 | spawn57 | what texts? |
| 05:57.40 | archangelpetro | just a couple of books on cantonese, literary and vocal |
| 05:58.02 | spawn57 | screw that |
| 05:58.04 | spawn57 | get a teacher |
| 05:58.05 | archangelpetro | i love the concepts behind writing chinese |
| 05:58.07 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 05:58.08 | archangelpetro | WEll |
| 05:58.08 | spawn57 | you need to get your tones right |
| 05:58.13 | archangelpetro | i know :/ |
| 05:58.16 | archangelpetro | that's the hardest part |
| 05:58.20 | Renze | ni hao |
| 05:58.27 | archangelpetro | woa hao xie xie |
| 05:58.28 | archangelpetro | :P |
| 05:58.39 | archangelpetro | but |
| 05:58.40 | spawn57 | it's harder in cantonese |
| 05:58.48 | spawn57 | in chinese there's 5, in cantonese there's 8 |
| 05:58.51 | archangelpetro | i heard/read |
| 05:58.56 | spawn57 | and it'll save you a lot of grief |
| 05:58.57 | archangelpetro | there's a sentence you can say like |
| 05:58.59 | archangelpetro | ma ma ma ma |
| 05:59.03 | archangelpetro | each ma with a different tone |
| 05:59.06 | archangelpetro | and it means something |
| 05:59.27 | spawn57 | I've ordered smelly rice way instead of fried rice way too often in my childhood...my friends used to crack up a lot |
| 05:59.42 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 05:59.57 | Renze | "can I get a fork?" |
| 06:00.03 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:00.06 | spawn57 | dou chaa im goi |
| 06:00.09 | archangelpetro | imagine toning that one wrong ;) |
| 06:00.14 | spawn57 | that's fork and knife... |
| 06:00.23 | spawn57 | but chaa can mean tea, if you don't say it right.. |
| 06:00.39 | archangelpetro | \ / \/ or - |
| 06:00.48 | archangelpetro | oh well |
| 06:00.51 | archangelpetro | when i finish my degree |
| 06:00.57 | archangelpetro | i'll be able to dedicate summer to it |
| 06:00.57 | spawn57 | hang on I'llg ive you a link |
| 06:01.07 | archangelpetro | although, i wont really have people to practice on :( |
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| 06:01.22 | spawn57 | contact this lady, she'll teah you well even over the net, her husband is a geek and has this great computer set up for her haha |
| 06:01.34 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:01.35 | archangelpetro | free? |
| 06:01.36 | *** part/#kde mattjeet (n=matto@c-24-6-31-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:01.36 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:01.46 | spawn57 | naw |
| 06:01.49 | archangelpetro | :/ |
| 06:01.51 | spawn57 | but her books are free |
| 06:01.54 | spawn57 | and really helpful |
| 06:02.07 | spawn57 | http://www.clc.com.hk/ |
| 06:02.33 | archangelpetro | i've recently discovered the wonders of coffe |
| 06:02.35 | archangelpetro | coffee |
| 06:02.51 | Renze | caffeine - the holy molecule |
| 06:03.22 | spawn57 | you're moving to hong kong, get the hong kong stuff |
| 06:03.31 | spawn57 | get some pou lei tea for starters |
| 06:03.35 | archangelpetro | Tuition Fee : HK$200/hr (One to one individual lessons, charge lesson by lesson) |
| 06:03.41 | archangelpetro | that's like £140? |
| 06:03.44 | archangelpetro | jesus. |
| 06:03.45 | spawn57 | nope |
| 06:03.49 | spawn57 | 14 |
| 06:03.58 | archangelpetro | oh |
| 06:04.00 | archangelpetro | my bad :D |
| 06:04.13 | *** part/#kde wolsni (n=wolsni@winslow.dorm.duke.edu) |
| 06:04.16 | archangelpetro | well 14 aint so bad... i'm a student atm which means i'm kinda poor :P |
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| 06:04.52 | spawn57 | yeah, it was hard on me too when I was working and learning it |
| 06:05.12 | *** part/#kde bluek1 (n=kjr@65.19.198.50) |
| 06:05.34 | archangelpetro | oh well |
| 06:05.38 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 06:05.42 | archangelpetro | worthy endeavour :D |
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| 06:06.02 | spawn57 | true |
| 06:06.09 | spawn57 | cantonese is going to be tough to learn |
| 06:06.18 | spawn57 | you could get by with putongua though |
| 06:06.30 | spawn57 | cant' pick up girls with it though |
| 06:06.43 | archangelpetro | well, ive always found languages to be fairly straight forward :D |
| 06:06.49 | archangelpetro | putongua? |
| 06:06.53 | spawn57 | chinese.. |
| 06:06.59 | archangelpetro | ah |
| 06:07.01 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:07.09 | spawn57 | what languages do you know? |
| 06:07.10 | archangelpetro | what makes u think i need to speak to pickup girls? |
| 06:07.12 | archangelpetro | hehe |
| 06:07.21 | spawn57 | you must have a mercedes.. |
| 06:07.35 | Renze | or a very large pair of rolled-up socks |
| 06:07.41 | spawn57 | that won't work |
| 06:07.45 | spawn57 | mercedes |
| 06:07.48 | archangelpetro | latin, french, russian, italian, greek, arabic |
| 06:07.56 | archangelpetro | the latter two are somewhat sketchy |
| 06:08.18 | spawn57 | none of those are really tonal though, mabye except arabic |
| 06:08.21 | archangelpetro | tbh i rarely practice any of them anymore |
| 06:08.29 | archangelpetro | ARabic has given me a lot more trouble than the others |
| 06:08.37 | archangelpetro | for that exact reason :P |
| 06:08.42 | archangelpetro | Renze, |
| 06:08.46 | spawn57 | yeah, i'm indian, and sindhi is simliar to arabic |
| 06:08.46 | archangelpetro | only thing big is my ego ;) |
| 06:08.47 | archangelpetro | heheh |
| 06:08.52 | Renze | yes? |
| 06:08.54 | archangelpetro | im teasing :D |
| 06:09.01 | spawn57 | i bet it was tones that gave you trouble |
| 06:09.06 | archangelpetro | hehe :) |
| 06:09.07 | archangelpetro | yes |
| 06:09.24 | Renze | archangelpetro: hence the need for the rolled-up socks :D |
| 06:09.25 | spawn57 | seriously those are nothign compared to cantonese |
| 06:09.36 | archangelpetro | hehehe that cut deep Renze :'( |
| 06:09.48 | archangelpetro | I know spawn57 i've heard my mate talking on the phone :P |
| 06:10.00 | archangelpetro | and am aware that tone affects the meaning of the word directly |
| 06:10.19 | spawn57 | yeah your mate uses a lot of slang too, I won't understand him |
| 06:10.29 | archangelpetro | aye, probably :D |
| 06:10.44 | archangelpetro | i mean about the slang :P |
| 06:10.47 | archangelpetro | not the lack of understanding ;) |
| 06:10.51 | spawn57 | ...ifmy cantonese is 'white', all teh locals speak like a g |
| 06:11.05 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:11.26 | spawn57 | I started playing football with colleagues so I can pick it up |
| 06:11.39 | archangelpetro | Renze, btw you kinda inspired me to start writing :D |
| 06:11.48 | archangelpetro | spawn57, very dedicated of you :) |
| 06:11.49 | spawn57 | I was asked 'do you know any slang', i went 'very l'il' |
| 06:11.54 | Renze | archangelpetro: I did? is that a good thing? ;) |
| 06:12.01 | *** join/#kde bluekb (n=kjr@65.19.198.50) |
| 06:12.10 | archangelpetro | Renze, perhaps not due to the current situation i'm in with my degree :P |
| 06:12.16 | spawn57 | and he pointed to the captain, 'if you don't run, he's going to teach you a lot of slang, trust me' |
| 06:12.22 | Renze | archangelpetro: hehe ;) |
| 06:12.26 | archangelpetro | lol spawn57 |
| 06:12.30 | bluekb | Is there somewhere I can copy .desktop files to have them included in the KDE menus? |
| 06:12.33 | Renze | archangelpetro: better not steal my idea, dude :P |
| 06:12.37 | Jucato | Renze? inspire someone??!?! |
| 06:12.38 | Jucato | :O |
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| 06:12.43 | archangelpetro | i know Jucato :D |
| 06:12.49 | spawn57 | heh |
| 06:12.51 | archangelpetro | it's ok Renze i dont involve elves |
| 06:12.52 | Jucato | it's the end of the world!!! |
| 06:12.57 | archangelpetro | theyre too wussy |
| 06:13.00 | spawn57 | i'm gonna get some lunch, cya guys later |
| 06:13.04 | archangelpetro | take care :D |
| 06:13.08 | spawn57 | you too |
| 06:13.22 | archangelpetro | yât-jahn gin |
| 06:13.40 | Jucato | don't get fat |
| 06:14.21 | archangelpetro | lol, odd? |
| 06:14.44 | archangelpetro | although if trends say anything ... most people here after going to lunch for 12hrs++ |
| 06:14.45 | archangelpetro | well |
| 06:14.51 | archangelpetro | speaks for itself doesnt it? |
| 06:16.12 | archangelpetro | all run off on me? |
| 06:16.37 | Renze | hunh? |
| 06:16.43 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:16.44 | archangelpetro | nvm :) |
| 06:17.28 | archangelpetro | ah |
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| 06:32.57 | Renze | wilbur! |
| 06:35.20 | illogic-al | har har :-) |
| 06:35.55 | illogic-al | who wants to learn c++ with me? |
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| 06:36.33 | illogic-al | hey Jucato. WHAT'S UP? |
| 06:36.43 | Jucato | you really want to know? |
| 06:36.44 | illogic-al | ack. Attack of the Caps lOck |
| 06:37.04 | illogic-al | class? college? |
| 06:37.06 | Jucato | prepares* |
| 06:37.11 | illogic-al | uni...? |
| 06:37.47 | Jucato | um.. Summary: the sun is up over here |
| 06:38.17 | illogic-al | italy! |
| 06:38.50 | Jucato | ?? |
| 06:39.17 | illogic-al | Jucato: just trying to guess where you're from. |
| 06:39.21 | Jucato | lol |
| 06:39.22 | Renze | Philip Pines |
| 06:39.24 | Jucato | too far :) |
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| 06:39.41 | illogic-al | Australia! |
| 06:39.53 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:39.56 | illogic-al | Renze: leave him out of this ;-) |
| 06:39.57 | archangelpetro | snoop dogg is hilarious |
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| 06:40.40 | matthew1429 | hi guys |
| 06:40.51 | illogic-al | hello mathew |
| 06:40.51 | archangelpetro | hola |
| 06:41.02 | archangelpetro | ada95 alllllllllll right |
| 06:41.07 | matthew1429 | I just installed kubuntu (first time ever using linux) and have spent 2 hours trying to fix the arts server problem... |
| 06:41.11 | matthew1429 | I've googled |
| 06:41.11 | illogic-al | matthew1429: isn't it past yor bedtime? |
| 06:41.16 | matthew1429 | and haven't found much |
| 06:41.17 | illogic-al | OMG! |
| 06:41.19 | illogic-al | Noobie! |
| 06:41.23 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:41.26 | Renze | fresh meat! |
| 06:41.29 | illogic-al | WELCOME to LINUX friend! |
| 06:41.31 | matthew1429 | :D |
| 06:41.35 | matthew1429 | I'm very fresh yes |
| 06:41.36 | archangelpetro | or bsd |
| 06:41.38 | archangelpetro | oh |
| 06:41.41 | archangelpetro | kubuntu |
| 06:41.45 | matthew1429 | and happy to make the switch |
| 06:41.50 | illogic-al | matthew1429: it's ok, we understand. |
| 06:41.53 | archangelpetro | another has joined our ranks :D |
| 06:42.02 | illogic-al | as you are knew you don't yet know, arts is the devil |
| 06:42.05 | matthew1429 | or I wouldnt go crazy for 2 hours trying to understand how to fix this |
| 06:42.19 | illogic-al | ditch it. Renze will happily guide you through this process }:-) |
| 06:42.22 | matthew1429 | why do they include it |
| 06:42.25 | matthew1429 | many have told me it sucks |
| 06:42.26 | Renze | legacy |
| 06:42.29 | matthew1429 | but they don't wanna help |
| 06:42.32 | Renze | for older hardware |
| 06:42.37 | matthew1429 | ahh I see |
| 06:42.46 | matthew1429 | I wouldn't be such a nuisance |
| 06:42.59 | matthew1429 | but this is annoying the sleep out of me :) |
| 06:43.12 | illogic-al | not at all, Renze loves banishing artsd from systems. |
| 06:43.22 | illogic-al | he got his PhD in it a few years back. |
| 06:43.25 | illogic-al | ow! |
| 06:43.29 | matthew1429 | hehe |
| 06:43.40 | matthew1429 | i guess I need to learn better search criteria for google |
| 06:43.48 | matthew1429 | because I found a bunch of stuff for other distros |
| 06:43.51 | matthew1429 | that wasn't helping |
| 06:44.09 | matthew1429 | well I'm happy to dialogue with someoen who cares |
| 06:44.11 | Renze | gentoo ftw! |
| 06:44.13 | matthew1429 | what is your first suggestion |
| 06:44.19 | illogic-al | matthew1429: so, you want to turn artsd off, but still have sound notifcations and all that good stuff. |
| 06:44.24 | archangelpetro | matthew1429, stuff on linux is pretty much totally independent of the distro.. with some exceptions of course |
| 06:44.37 | archangelpetro | and even those are conceptually similar |
| 06:44.41 | Renze | step 1) kcontrol -> sound and multimedia -> sound system, untick Enable the Sound System |
| 06:44.42 | matthew1429 | the only thing I was not seeing in the forums was this control center |
| 06:44.45 | illogic-al | matthew1429: so open up KControl |
| 06:44.57 | matthew1429 | I guess it's called system Settings in kubuntu |
| 06:44.58 | matthew1429 | okay |
| 06:45.15 | matthew1429 | opened |
| 06:45.16 | Renze | don't use system settings... we can't guide you through that, since it is kubuntu specific |
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| 06:45.35 | matthew1429 | that's why 2 hours have been spent |
| 06:45.45 | Renze | alt-f2, type kcontrol |
| 06:45.51 | matthew1429 | Im totally noobified and cant find kcontrol |
| 06:45.53 | matthew1429 | okie doke |
| 06:45.53 | matthew1429 | thanks |
| 06:45.54 | matthew1429 | brb |
| 06:45.58 | Renze | use the *real* thing instead of the kubuntu shite |
| 06:46.02 | illogic-al | lol |
| 06:46.11 | matthew1429 | alt F2... my friend |
| 06:46.22 | matthew1429 | I need to do some reading of linux basics b4 I bother you folks :) |
| 06:46.22 | archangelpetro | this chan is awesome |
| 06:46.31 | illogic-al | there's always the menu. with the "Control Center" link :-p |
| 06:46.44 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: thank you. I do what I can. |
| 06:47.05 | archangelpetro | well tbh it's possibly the most friendly |
| 06:47.08 | archangelpetro | oh btw.. |
| 06:47.16 | archangelpetro | does anyone here use amd64 and 64bit stuff? |
| 06:47.19 | matthew1429 | okay |
| 06:47.23 | matthew1429 | im in kcontrol |
| 06:47.28 | matthew1429 | in sound |
| 06:47.37 | Jucato | I can guide you through system settings, from memory only, though... |
| 06:47.40 | Renze | matthew1429: sound system, untick "enable the sound system" |
| 06:47.47 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: not since I realize how futile a struggle it was :-) |
| 06:47.54 | matthew1429 | done |
| 06:47.56 | Renze | matthew1429: that will turn off artsd |
| 06:48.04 | matthew1429 | lol |
| 06:48.04 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, im having issues playing moves from the net.. |
| 06:48.06 | matthew1429 | it's that easy |
| 06:48.08 | archangelpetro | im using 32bit firefox |
| 06:48.12 | Renze | matthew1429: not finished yet ;) |
| 06:48.14 | archangelpetro | but the videos keep crashing |
| 06:48.19 | matthew1429 | okay |
| 06:48.22 | archangelpetro | and im unwilling to update firefox from 1.5 |
| 06:48.32 | archangelpetro | since 2 has been really crap |
| 06:48.37 | Renze | matthew1429: kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> system notifications, player options button, set an external player for notifications |
| 06:48.58 | bluekb | archangelpetro: why don't you like 2? |
| 06:49.06 | Renze | matthew1429: I recommend "play" from the sox package, if kubuntu has it |
| 06:49.09 | archangelpetro | keeps crashing. |
| 06:49.16 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: I'd see if an update for your player is available (i'd assume mplayer) |
| 06:49.37 | archangelpetro | well, mplayer32 atm i believe |
| 06:49.42 | Jucato | but just because I was too annoyed to troubleshoot my arts compile |
| 06:49.52 | archangelpetro | and it crashes at the same part |
| 06:50.01 | archangelpetro | im sure it's to do with the 32bit libraries.. driving me nuts |
| 06:50.03 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:50.10 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: I stopped using 64bit and just switched to running 32-bit on my 64bit processor. |
| 06:50.38 | archangelpetro | well, i'd do that but.. i dunno if i can be bothered setting everything up again :/ |
| 06:50.38 | matthew1429 | Renze |
| 06:50.41 | matthew1429 | just type in sox? |
| 06:50.42 | Simkin | i don't have any problems with 64bit anymore |
| 06:50.44 | illogic-al | archangle25: does the video crash when played in mplayer from the command line? |
| 06:50.50 | matthew1429 | or try to browse to find it |
| 06:50.55 | illogic-al | Simkin: you stopped using it too?! |
| 06:50.56 | Renze | matthew1429: you'll have to ask a kubuntu user how to install sox ;) |
| 06:50.58 | Jucato | matthew1429: install the sox package |
| 06:51.03 | Simkin | but i don't use mplayer, i use xine |
| 06:51.06 | Simkin | and kaffeine |
| 06:51.06 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, no |
| 06:51.09 | illogic-al | apt-get install sox |
| 06:51.12 | matthew1429 | :) |
| 06:51.15 | matthew1429 | fair enough |
| 06:51.18 | illogic-al | HAAAAAAAH! |
| 06:51.18 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, it's just when run from a website |
| 06:51.22 | Simkin | vnc has a bug in 64 bit environments though |
| 06:51.28 | Simkin | err vlc |
| 06:51.31 | matthew1429 | and do I enable sound again after that? |
| 06:51.35 | Jucato | illogic-al: beat me? |
| 06:51.36 | Simkin | it won't full screen properly |
| 06:51.41 | Jucato | I didn't even type the command :P |
| 06:51.42 | archangelpetro | well |
| 06:51.44 | Renze | matthew1429: no, never ever enable the sound system ever again |
| 06:51.45 | Jucato | matthew1429: um no... |
| 06:51.52 | matthew1429 | okay |
| 06:51.52 | illogic-al | Jucato: i told him how to install before you could. |
| 06:51.54 | archangelpetro | it kinda skips and either the stream cuts off.. or the sound just halts and loops |
| 06:51.56 | illogic-al | I win! |
| 06:51.59 | illogic-al | ponies! |
| 06:52.04 | Jucato | hehe |
| 06:52.16 | matthew1429 | I'm still getting this message as it is |
| 06:52.23 | illogic-al | Rice Krispies treats at bedtime makes me happy. |
| 06:52.24 | matthew1429 | I'm going to try using the KDE sound system |
| 06:52.24 | Renze | what message? |
| 06:52.25 | Jucato | matthew1429: is sox installed now? |
| 06:52.28 | matthew1429 | unless that will get me back |
| 06:52.39 | matthew1429 | the arts message keeps coming at me |
| 06:52.42 | Jucato | matthew1429: hold your horses buddy. we ain't finished yet |
| 06:52.48 | Jucato | :) |
| 06:52.51 | illogic-al | wb canllaith |
| 06:52.52 | Jucato | hi canllaith! |
| 06:53.15 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: so command line player, although it doesn't crash. can't handle the files either? |
| 06:53.27 | matthew1429 | hehe |
| 06:53.29 | Jucato | matthew1429: once you have sox installed, go to System Notifications. click on the Player Settings button |
| 06:53.30 | archangelpetro | command line mplayer32 has had no problems playing files. |
| 06:53.40 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, it's just when i try to view youtube or something |
| 06:53.40 | Daverocks | mplayer rules |
| 06:53.57 | matthew1429 | okay, I hvae you cut and pasted jucato |
| 06:53.59 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, and it always seems to crash at the same point. |
| 06:53.59 | Jucato | matthew1429: then, in the dialog box that pops up, choose "Use an external player" and type in /usr/bin/play |
| 06:54.19 | Jucato | matthew1429: of course, it will work only if sox finished downloading and installing :P |
| 06:54.33 | matthew1429 | lol, I cant be lazy and use kde sound system? |
| 06:54.36 | matthew1429 | lol |
| 06:54.37 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: youtube vids are flash. something may be wrong with the flash plugin causing Fx to crash. |
| 06:54.45 | Renze | matthew1429: only if you want artsd problems ;) |
| 06:54.54 | matthew1429 | :D |
| 06:55.02 | matthew1429 | oh, it's time for coffee |
| 06:55.09 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.24 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, well it definately could be flash instead, not quite sure how to remedy the situation though |
| 06:55.24 | Renze | Red_Cloud: xorg.conf |
| 06:55.25 | matthew1429 | I've been fighting this install all day |
| 06:55.32 | Renze | Red_Cloud: try asking in #xorg |
| 06:55.33 | matthew1429 | it is going to be worth it I know it |
| 06:55.36 | matthew1429 | okay |
| 06:55.36 | Red_Cloud | Renze thanks |
| 06:55.39 | matthew1429 | thanks you guys |
| 06:56.01 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: if it is flash, the remedy would be to search google and hope someone has a solution. |
| 06:56.06 | Renze | matthew1429: be glad you didn't try gentoo as a newbie ;) |
| 06:56.17 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: otherwise wait for adobe to come out with a linux update. |
| 06:56.20 | illogic-al | GLWT |
| 06:56.23 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:56.24 | archangelpetro | indeed |
| 06:56.24 | archangelpetro | :/ |
| 06:56.27 | Daverocks | i'm thinking of switching to gentoo or debian |
| 06:56.30 | archangelpetro | or maybe 32bit it ;) |
| 06:56.51 | archangelpetro | illogic-al, you know of any piece of software that will take text, and read it out? |
| 06:57.02 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: s'what I did. all 32bit, all the time :-) |
| 06:57.15 | illogic-al | archangelpetro: you mean like 'cat" |
| 06:57.29 | illogic-al | or do you mean actual reading, with sound and such. |
| 06:57.31 | archangelpetro | to be honest illogic-al .. I've been considering it for a while.. since trying to get things working with 64bit is irritating |
| 06:57.32 | archangelpetro | i mean |
| 06:57.32 | Renze | or "less" |
| 06:57.33 | archangelpetro | yea with sound |
| 06:57.44 | archangelpetro | ;) |
| 06:57.46 | Jucato | go for the cow! |
| 06:57.46 | Renze | kate with the kttsd plugin |
| 06:58.01 | illogic-al | or "more" :-P |
| 06:58.10 | archangelpetro | well that too |
| 06:58.17 | archangelpetro | i didnt feel like being pedantic ;) |
| 06:58.33 | Jucato | less is more? |
| 06:58.35 | Renze | they tickle |
| 06:58.37 | Jucato | :P |
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| 06:58.58 | Jucato | they were trained to tickle you to death |
| 06:59.32 | Renze | I'm not ticklish :P |
| 06:59.32 | archangelpetro | are your elves? |
| 06:59.32 | Renze | nope... they're butch |
| 06:59.32 | illogic-al | That's right, he's Yiddish. |
| 06:59.33 | archangelpetro | what about the female ones? |
| 06:59.34 | archangelpetro | :P |
| 06:59.43 | Jucato | ?? |
| 06:59.47 | Renze | archangelpetro: wait and see ;) |
| 06:59.50 | Jucato | who's butch? |
| 06:59.51 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 06:59.51 | illogic-al | welcome to the madness bao_crazy! |
| 07:00.04 | benklop | hey hey you guys i now have a pile of edgy efts tickling my larry the cow. plus larry landed on me |
| 07:00.18 | Jucato | one thing I hate about writing stories... is when words can't express well enough the picture I have in my head.. :( |
| 07:00.26 | Jucato | heh |
| 07:00.29 | Renze | Jucato: find better words ;) |
| 07:00.40 | Sho_ | draw illustrations |
| 07:00.40 | illogic-al | Jucato: you need to know moer words then :-) |
| 07:00.44 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:00.47 | archangelpetro | indeed |
| 07:00.49 | archangelpetro | draw it too |
| 07:00.50 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 07:00.54 | Jucato | yeah.... I need lots and lots of word... |
| 07:00.55 | archangelpetro | pictures + stories == mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 07:01.02 | archangelpetro | that's an issue i get into |
| 07:01.08 | archangelpetro | i tend to overdescribe arbitary thigns |
| 07:01.12 | Jucato | see, there's this ball in my head... I think I need 10 adjectives for it :P |
| 07:01.25 | Renze | orb, sphere, globe |
| 07:01.26 | archangelpetro | problem solved. |
| 07:01.56 | illogic-al | oval! |
| 07:02.00 | illogic-al | ooooh. I got one! |
| 07:02.02 | archangelpetro | you're joshing me. |
| 07:02.03 | archangelpetro | pft |
| 07:02.04 | Renze | archangelpetro: stop playing with Jucato's balls! |
| 07:02.09 | archangelpetro | lol. :'( |
| 07:02.13 | Jucato | :O |
| 07:02.15 | illogic-al | :-) |
| 07:02.18 | Jucato | I only have one ball |
| 07:02.19 | archangelpetro | kate doesnt enter gnome menu by default |
| 07:02.20 | archangelpetro | pfrt |
| 07:02.20 | Jucato | wait!!! |
| 07:02.22 | Jucato | that didn't sound right |
| 07:02.28 | illogic-al | OMG! a uniballer! |
| 07:02.37 | Renze | just like Hitler? |
| 07:02.42 | illogic-al | LOL |
| 07:02.51 | Jucato | Sho_: meanie!! |
| 07:02.52 | archangelpetro | hitler has his other one |
| 07:02.53 | Jucato | :P |
| 07:02.58 | archangelpetro | used it as a 'stress-ball' |
| 07:03.14 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:03.28 | archangelpetro | ur genitals smile at you? |
| 07:03.28 | archangelpetro | :O |
| 07:03.36 | Jucato | hahah |
| 07:03.38 | Sho_ | Jucato: When you get around to doing your People Behind KDE in a couple of yours I'll make sure they'll ask "What's with this rumor of you having only one ball?" |
| 07:03.44 | Sho_ | *years |
| 07:03.49 | illogic-al | lol |
| 07:03.55 | Renze | bwahahaha |
| 07:03.56 | archangelpetro | and his other smiling at him |
| 07:03.58 | Jucato | couple of years/!?! I was hoping to make it by 2008 |
| 07:04.05 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:04.13 | illogic-al | Jucato: you can do it. |
| 07:04.18 | illogic-al | you can do it all night long. |
| 07:04.28 | Sho_ | well half a couple then |
| 07:04.28 | Sho_ | :) |
| 07:04.51 | Jucato | ahaha |
| 07:05.07 | Renze | illogic-al: like a lumberjack? (monty python segue) |
| 07:05.10 | illogic-al | Sho_: what's a good website for learning c++? |
| 07:05.18 | archangelpetro | cprogramming.com? |
| 07:05.21 | Sho_ | illogic-al: The online edition of Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in C++" |
| 07:05.21 | Jucato | c++.com? |
| 07:05.38 | illogic-al | Sho_: that's been recommended by a lot of people. |
| 07:05.52 | Jucato | or experience/intermediate programmers |
| 07:05.59 | illogic-al | and since I've had it on my drive for about two years now, i think i'll get around to reading it :-) |
| 07:06.08 | Jucato | if you're an absolute noob like me... you won't get half of what he's trying to say |
| 07:06.21 | Jucato | Renze: I thought you only though either in A or C:\ |
| 07:06.37 | Renze | low blow, man... low blow ;) |
| 07:07.02 | illogic-al | Jucato: I'm not an absolute noob. |
| 07:07.23 | illogic-al | And I have no aspirations to be a programmer. |
| 07:07.25 | Jucato | illogic-al: notice the *if*... and that *you* wasn't for you :) |
| 07:07.31 | illogic-al | hacker for life baby! :-) |
| 07:07.34 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:07.38 | Jucato | oh... Thinking in C++ assumes you have that goal |
| 07:07.51 | Jucato | which is why it won't suit me... my goal is not to be a programmer |
| 07:08.00 | archangelpetro | a writer instead/ :) |
| 07:08.01 | Jucato | it's to be mdfl |
| 07:08.14 | illogic-al | I just wanna futz about w/ code and do some "shtuff" |
| 07:08.20 | Jucato | malevolent dictator for life |
| 07:08.28 | illogic-al | :-) |
| 07:08.33 | Sho_ | Looking into a good Python volume might be a better choice for a programming beginner than a C++ book |
| 07:08.48 | Jucato | python... |
| 07:08.51 | illogic-al | I pee on python |
| 07:08.55 | Sho_ | There are also many decent beginner-level Python tutorials that assume no prior knowledge about programming |
| 07:09.07 | archangelpetro | python's ace |
| 07:09.20 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 07:09.23 | Jucato | I think Practical Python is a nice dead tree book |
| 07:09.24 | Renze | Jucato: write one ;) |
| 07:09.33 | Jucato | Renze: at this stage? maybe not. |
| 07:09.36 | Jucato | Renze: wait for KDE 5 |
| 07:09.37 | *** join/#kde male_rack (n=mark@gentoo/developer/mark-alec) |
| 07:09.39 | Jucato | I have plans |
| 07:09.43 | archangelpetro | or kde 18 |
| 07:09.46 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 07:09.47 | illogic-al | I want to Wii |
| 07:09.51 | Jucato | archangelpetro: not that long :P |
| 07:09.53 | archangelpetro | ;) |
| 07:10.04 | archangelpetro | so we have jucato with smiling balls.. |
| 07:10.11 | archangelpetro | and sho_ that lovs hugging.. |
| 07:10.13 | archangelpetro | loves* |
| 07:10.17 | archangelpetro | whatever next? |
| 07:10.21 | Jucato | archangelpetro: I was actually looking into my Teach Yourself Visual Basic 6 book |
| 07:10.29 | archangelpetro | nooooooooooooo |
| 07:10.31 | archangelpetro | not VB :( |
| 07:10.35 | Renze | ew, virus basic |
| 07:10.37 | Jucato | archangelpetro: I'm planning on making it a pattern if I ever make KDE tutorials/guides |
| 07:10.44 | Jucato | you didn't let me finish :P |
| 07:10.47 | illogic-al | Jucato: I have teach yourself C++. a really old edition. If you want... |
| 07:10.53 | illogic-al | html format |
| 07:10.56 | Jucato | illogic-al: I have it too |
| 07:10.58 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:11.06 | Jucato | it's a free legal copy :) |
| 07:11.12 | illogic-al | heh. I think I only got to chapter 12 |
| 07:11.13 | archangelpetro | personally i think my favourite language right now is perl |
| 07:11.19 | illogic-al | or somewhere thereabouts |
| 07:11.30 | illogic-al | my favorite language is english |
| 07:11.39 | archangelpetro | although ive been writing satellite image processing in C.. and that's kinda sparked my love for C |
| 07:11.43 | illogic-al | but franch and japanese are right up there |
| 07:11.52 | illogic-al | along with italian :-) |
| 07:11.57 | archangelpetro | although if i ever see the words "segmentation fault" again.. |
| 07:12.00 | archangelpetro | i'll kill somoene |
| 07:12.02 | illogic-al | s/franch/french |
| 07:12.03 | Jucato | you're being illogical illogic-al |
| 07:12.13 | illogic-al | am not |
| 07:12.14 | archangelpetro | parles francais? :O |
| 07:12.17 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 07:12.32 | illogical | Oui, M. Et Tu? |
| 07:12.35 | archangelpetro | io capisco l'italiano :) |
| 07:12.35 | archangelpetro | hehe |
| 07:12.40 | archangelpetro | oui |
| 07:13.08 | archangelpetro | perl is nice though |
| 07:13.15 | Jucato | *coughs* English *coughs* |
| 07:13.19 | illogical | english is better |
| 07:13.23 | illogical | :-) |
| 07:13.43 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:13.46 | Renze | the ambiguity of english promotes creativity ;) |
| 07:13.59 | Sho_ | (I'm so proud of myself right now -- three minutes and I still haven't flamed Perl. That restraint! :) |
| 07:14.03 | archangelpetro | i think talking to you lot promotes creativity |
| 07:14.16 | archangelpetro | i've developed at least 10 new ways of killing someone with a piece of tissue. |
| 07:14.16 | illogical | heheh |
| 07:14.18 | Jucato | Sho_: restraint is when you don't even mention you wanted to flame :P |
| 07:14.27 | archangelpetro | Sho_, what you got against perl? |
| 07:14.37 | archangelpetro | perl's yo daddeh! |
| 07:14.38 | archangelpetro | ;) |
| 07:15.18 | Jucato | um... |
| 07:15.30 | Jucato | Sho_: no... just SecondLife.. |
| 07:15.48 | archangelpetro | i cant get secondlife to work |
| 07:15.51 | illogical | ah the clit. |
| 07:15.51 | Jucato | Sho_: after my adventures with KAFS... I'm not so eager with SourceMage yet... |
| 07:15.52 | archangelpetro | cuz of this damn 64bit |
| 07:16.08 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:16.09 | Sho_ | Jucato: Subscribe to the cow |
| 07:16.12 | archangelpetro | you go Renze!! |
| 07:16.22 | Jucato | Renze: actually, SL is perfect for those who don't have an RL |
| 07:16.29 | illogical | Renze: you have a wonderful life. |
| 07:16.30 | Jucato | archangelpetro: Google "Larry the Cow" |
| 07:16.37 | illogical | Right here with us. |
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| 07:16.42 | Renze | illogical: pfffft! |
| 07:16.43 | illogical | Promise me you'll never leave. |
| 07:16.47 | Jucato | heh I think canllaith thinks highly of Renze :) |
| 07:16.48 | illogical | promise meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:16.55 | Jucato | but not that high :P |
| 07:16.58 | Jucato | j/k |
| 07:17.02 | illogical | lol |
| 07:17.22 | Jucato | hm... bsd... |
| 07:17.54 | archangelpetro | ? |
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| 07:18.11 | archangelpetro | your sister stopped you from using BSD :O |
| 07:18.14 | archangelpetro | now that's a new one. |
| 07:18.27 | Renze | I've heard of "whipped" but that is ridiculous! |
| 07:18.30 | archangelpetro | ive heard, 'i cant install it' 'it doesnt work' 'i fell asleep' |
| 07:18.32 | Simkin | kill the bitch. |
| 07:18.33 | archangelpetro | but |
| 07:18.34 | Jucato | archangelpetro: not really... fear of my sister going crazy on seeing the mascot/logo |
| 07:18.35 | archangelpetro | your sister? |
| 07:18.42 | archangelpetro | you mean the red devil? |
| 07:18.46 | Jucato | uhuh |
| 07:18.57 | Renze | Jucato: oh, your sister is one of "them" |
| 07:19.00 | archangelpetro | promoting satanism? |
| 07:19.01 | archangelpetro | rofl |
| 07:19.09 | archangelpetro | a christian enthusiast? |
| 07:19.17 | Renze | fundie xtians |
| 07:19.19 | Jucato | from the same sister who almost believed a magazine article that said Pokemon is satanic, because some of the characters grow horns when they evolve |
| 07:19.36 | archangelpetro | haven't you slapped her into reality yet? |
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| 07:19.53 | Simkin | yah, they should grow a cross or something. |
| 07:20.07 | Simkin | nothing is more ferocious looking than a cross nailed to your body |
| 07:20.25 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:20.26 | archangelpetro | and i mean.. you can beat people to death with it.. |
| 07:20.28 | archangelpetro | well |
| 07:20.32 | archangelpetro | beat pokemon to death with it. |
| 07:20.40 | archangelpetro | in fairness Jucato |
| 07:20.48 | archangelpetro | even without the horns.. pokemon are satanic |
| 07:20.55 | Jucato | ??? |
| 07:21.00 | Renze | no, pokemon are just silly |
| 07:21.00 | illogical | lol |
| 07:21.02 | archangelpetro | the crazy SOB that came up with that idea. |
| 07:21.03 | archangelpetro | well |
| 07:21.18 | Jucato | archangelpetro: the creator wasn't satanic.. he's just on drugs |
| 07:21.24 | Simkin | well, pokemone did ruin an entire generation of gamers. |
| 07:21.28 | archangelpetro | perhaps |
| 07:21.29 | archangelpetro | yea |
| 07:21.34 | Simkin | instead of playing D&D they ended up playing pokemon. |
| 07:21.34 | archangelpetro | can i ask something. |
| 07:21.47 | archangelpetro | lol the DnD system sucks :) |
| 07:21.52 | Simkin | D20 rocks :) |
| 07:21.53 | illogical | that's not asking. it's killing. |
| 07:21.54 | archangelpetro | WoD ftw! or CoC |
| 07:22.02 | illogical | and killing is bad. |
| 07:22.06 | archangelpetro | well my asking... |
| 07:22.08 | Jucato | Simkin: strangely enough, the reason I like pokemon is because of D&D |
| 07:22.18 | archangelpetro | what is it with this anime fetish that loads of people have |
| 07:22.19 | archangelpetro | i mean |
| 07:22.26 | archangelpetro | half the techies i know watch all these animes |
| 07:22.36 | archangelpetro | good Renze :D |
| 07:22.46 | Renze | I own a copy of Akira on DVD, but that's about it |
| 07:22.51 | archangelpetro | a child dies when someone says "I like anime" |
| 07:22.54 | Simkin | some anime is good, but most if it (especially the subtitled stuff) is just boring as hell. |
| 07:22.58 | illogical | Jucato: tell me! |
| 07:22.59 | Sho_ | Although there are some great animes. |
| 07:23.08 | archangelpetro | here we go again. |
| 07:23.16 | pwuertz | DnD ^^... you remember futurama?... "Hello, its a....... *roll*........ pleasure to meet you!" |
| 07:23.17 | illogical | I have One Piece, Trigun, Ghost in the SHell... |
| 07:23.30 | archangelpetro | pwuertz, yea |
| 07:23.31 | Simkin | pwuertz: hahhaa, saw that one just last night! |
| 07:23.31 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 07:23.41 | Renze | archangelpetro: as long as it isn't kittens, it's OK |
| 07:23.49 | archangelpetro | well |
| 07:23.52 | archangelpetro | tbh |
| 07:24.01 | archangelpetro | if it was true, what they say about kittens, i dont think there'd be any left |
| 07:24.15 | archangelpetro | i know guys that could wipe out a country's worth in a week |
| 07:24.18 | Jucato | Renze: good news, matthew1429 has fixed his problem |
| 07:24.19 | Renze | archangelpetro: single-handed? ;) |
| 07:24.22 | archangelpetro | lol ;) |
| 07:24.24 | archangelpetro | definately |
| 07:24.26 | Renze | Jucato: cool ;) |
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| 07:24.40 | Jucato | Renze: let's just say that "sox rules!" |
| 07:24.45 | Renze | archangelpetro: did you detect the double éntendre? |
| 07:24.47 | archangelpetro | baby killing lol |
| 07:24.51 | archangelpetro | of course Renze :D |
| 07:24.54 | Simkin | archangelpetro: perhaps you know a little to much about their private moment habbits. |
| 07:24.58 | Renze | archangelpetro: good ;) |
| 07:25.06 | archangelpetro | Simkin, perhaps you're correct |
| 07:25.17 | matthew1429 | renze |
| 07:25.18 | matthew1429 | are you here? |
| 07:25.19 | archangelpetro | although it pays to know yourself :D |
| 07:25.23 | Renze | nope, I'm there |
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| 07:25.25 | archangelpetro | haha |
| 07:25.25 | Anthony_ | hi |
| 07:25.30 | matthew1429 | :) |
| 07:25.40 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:25.42 | matthew1429 | I wont spam this like i did #kubuntu |
| 07:25.49 | Jucato | matthew1429: better not :P |
| 07:25.51 | matthew1429 | BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH |
| 07:25.55 | archangelpetro | pasting should be > rafb.net |
| 07:25.57 | matthew1429 | I'm so happy |
| 07:25.58 | Renze | matthew1429: no problem |
| 07:26.04 | matthew1429 | I learned and can hear now |
| 07:26.06 | matthew1429 | hehehe |
| 07:26.10 | matthew1429 | feel like a kid |
| 07:26.18 | archangelpetro | well done matthew1429 |
| 07:26.19 | illogical | in a candy store? |
| 07:26.22 | Jucato | Renze: you just saved someone from committing Linuxcide |
| 07:26.24 | Renze | archangelpetro: my novel is in my head, dude :D |
| 07:26.26 | illogical | LOL |
| 07:26.27 | matthew1429 | now I am M$ free |
| 07:26.30 | matthew1429 | happily converted |
| 07:26.37 | Renze | matthew1429: I was MS free in January 1999 |
| 07:26.38 | matthew1429 | now it's time to study newbie files |
| 07:26.39 | matthew1429 | hehe |
| 07:26.40 | archangelpetro | Renze, why do you think i cracked ur head? |
| 07:26.43 | illogical | matthew1429: enjoy it for the 2 days you can bear it. |
| 07:26.48 | illogical | }:-) |
| 07:26.53 | matthew1429 | lol |
| 07:27.04 | archangelpetro | wow |
| 07:27.11 | archangelpetro | i just wet myself when i saw the number of plugins for kate |
| 07:27.20 | illogical | nah. you'll be fine. as long asa you're not expecting "windows for free" |
| 07:27.28 | illogical | archangelpetro: EEEEEEEEEEW |
| 07:27.34 | archangelpetro | ROFL |
| 07:27.40 | archangelpetro | slip of the tongue, so to speak |
| 07:27.57 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:28.13 | illogical | not listening! not listening! not listening! not listening! |
| 07:28.20 | archangelpetro | Sho_ i've been restraining, and somewhat censoring them :) |
| 07:28.28 | illogical | lol |
| 07:28.31 | archangelpetro | ffs. |
| 07:28.32 | archangelpetro | ironically |
| 07:28.40 | archangelpetro | the only plugin i want for kate is the only one i dont have there!! |
| 07:28.47 | Renze | Jucato has a tentacle fetish |
| 07:28.50 | Anthony_ | I have rotten fonts in gtk-applications... I used gtk-qt-engine, does not helps.. =( |
| 07:28.56 | archangelpetro | <insert swear words here> |
| 07:29.05 | Jucato | Renze: no... only anime fans would know what I mean |
| 07:29.11 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:29.25 | archangelpetro | Jucato, tentacles ..... i think i have one here |
| 07:29.29 | archangelpetro | hentai++ |
| 07:29.29 | archangelpetro | ;) |
| 07:29.35 | Jucato | archangelpetro: lots of other Kate plugins from kdeaddons |
| 07:29.37 | Jucato | lol!! |
| 07:29.45 | illogical | Renze: He's not just into tentacles. He's into tentacle porn |
| 07:29.56 | Jucato | grr... |
| 07:30.01 | archangelpetro | my GF calls me a hentai :( |
| 07:30.05 | illogical | lol |
| 07:30.13 | Jucato | hentai literally means "pervert" |
| 07:30.16 | archangelpetro | yes |
| 07:30.16 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 07:30.33 | illogical | cute |
| 07:30.35 | Renze | Jucato: bukkake? |
| 07:30.42 | illogical | what do they call that again? |
| 07:30.44 | archangelpetro | Renze, |
| 07:30.46 | archangelpetro | now that's nasty |
| 07:30.52 | archangelpetro | the worst has to be |
| 07:30.53 | archangelpetro | lolicon |
| 07:30.53 | archangelpetro | hahah |
| 07:30.54 | Jucato | Sho_: definitely not!!!! |
| 07:30.57 | illogical | when you shuffle your names around to get a pseudonym? |
| 07:30.59 | archangelpetro | or snuff hentai |
| 07:31.00 | Renze | I heard the word somewhere, I swear! |
| 07:31.06 | archangelpetro | :/ |
| 07:31.14 | Jucato | illogical: hm.... |
| 07:31.24 | archangelpetro | illogical, |
| 07:31.31 | archangelpetro | if you think that's what bukkake is.. |
| 07:31.34 | archangelpetro | wlel, you're one up from us |
| 07:31.39 | Jucato | Sho_: squids are not the only ones that have tentacles ;) |
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| 07:31.52 | Renze | cthulhu has tentacles |
| 07:31.53 | Sho_ | Jucato: Octopi, then? |
| 07:31.56 | archangelpetro | i probably shouldnt point out |
| 07:31.58 | Renze | ïa ïa, Cthulhu fhtagn! |
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| 07:31.59 | archangelpetro | that i love squid |
| 07:32.03 | Jucato | Sho_: aliens.. :P |
| 07:32.05 | archangelpetro | Lovecraft ftw!! |
| 07:32.07 | Sho_ | hmm |
| 07:32.28 | Jucato | illogical: anagram? |
| 07:32.33 | archangelpetro | nautilus is prolly up ther ein my 5 favourite animals |
| 07:32.48 | archangelpetro | Renze, |
| 07:32.54 | Jucato | reminds me too much of something else... |
| 07:32.57 | archangelpetro | have you read H P lovecraft Call of Cthulu? |
| 07:32.59 | Sho_ | Jucato: Aliens tend to have bumpy foreheads or wrinkled noses. I haven't seen one with tentacles yet. |
| 07:33.12 | Renze | archangelpetro: there is much Lovecraft I have yet to read, but I have read some |
| 07:33.17 | archangelpetro | SHo_ thats cuz u aint watched hentai before. |
| 07:33.18 | Jucato | Sho_: you haven't watched much of anime **** yet |
| 07:33.33 | archangelpetro | necronomicon inspired me to learn greek |
| 07:33.34 | Sho_ | Only Star Trek ;) |
| 07:33.41 | Jucato | ha!! total geek! |
| 07:33.48 | archangelpetro | Star trek is cool |
| 07:33.53 | archangelpetro | babylon 5 is better though |
| 07:33.56 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 07:33.59 | archangelpetro | babylon 5 > * |
| 07:34.14 | archangelpetro | hmm |
| 07:34.16 | archangelpetro | now.. |
| 07:34.18 | Jucato | ok... absolute geeks :P |
| 07:34.26 | archangelpetro | lets see where ubuntu put this bloody kttsd |
| 07:34.27 | Sho_ | Nevertheless, I subscribe primarily to the Trekkie faith |
| 07:34.28 | illogical | Yes Luke. The nerdiness is strong with this channel. |
| 07:34.32 | archangelpetro | Jucato, .. says the hentai/anime lover? |
| 07:34.51 | illogical | BATTLESTAAAAAAAAAAAAAR |
| 07:34.54 | illogical | WOOOOOOOOOT |
| 07:35.03 | illogical | Tomorrow at 10! |
| 07:35.05 | illogical | Yay! |
| 07:35.08 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:35.26 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 07:35.31 | Jucato | oops |
| 07:35.35 | Jucato | lapsus linguae |
| 07:35.39 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:35.39 | Sho_ | bukkake ... yakuake ... hm |
| 07:35.53 | Jucato | Sho_: nice name for a KDE 4 release :) |
| 07:35.56 | illogical | It made baby Jesus cry. |
| 07:36.06 | Jucato | don't say that!!! |
| 07:36.11 | archangelpetro | i think being nailed.... naa poor taste. |
| 07:36.11 | Jucato | you'll frighten the BSD users... |
| 07:36.13 | illogical | yakkake? |
| 07:36.33 | archangelpetro | ooo :D i even censored it |
| 07:36.34 | Sho_ | Yakuake doesn't have tentacles, though. Yet. |
| 07:36.35 | illogical | Jucato: eh? |
| 07:36.38 | archangelpetro | Renze, what's a pocket protector? |
| 07:36.47 | Jucato | lol :) |
| 07:36.52 | Renze | archangelpetro: a plastic "envelope" in case pens leak |
| 07:37.01 | archangelpetro | you threw that at him? |
| 07:37.07 | Renze | it's a nerd thing |
| 07:37.10 | Jucato | archangelpetro: it's a geek paraphernalia |
| 07:37.18 | archangelpetro | it's an effective thing. |
| 07:37.38 | archangelpetro | lol maybe i'm not a geek then |
| 07:37.43 | Jucato | illogical: I think the term you were looking for earlier was "anagram" |
| 07:37.53 | illogical | Jucato: yep! Thanks |
| 07:37.55 | Jucato | archangelpetro: I can consider myself a sudo-geek |
| 07:38.07 | archangelpetro | but you watch anime so you lose all status |
| 07:38.25 | illogical | mark_alec: nice anagram :-) |
| 07:38.29 | illogical | :-D |
| 07:38.30 | Jucato | archangelpetro: that only reinforces the fact that I'm a sudo-geek |
| 07:38.41 | archangelpetro | sudo, nice play on words there :D |
| 07:38.50 | archangelpetro | oh.. i should use that more often |
| 07:38.53 | Jucato | heh:) |
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| 07:39.45 | archangelpetro | what was that site with kate plugins again? |
| 07:39.49 | archangelpetro | kdeaddons? |
| 07:39.56 | Renze | kdeaddons is a package |
| 07:40.12 | Jucato | archangelpetro: in Kubuntu, kate-plugins |
| 07:40.24 | Sho_ | in Gentoo, too |
| 07:40.34 | Jucato | oh yeah.. split ebuilds.. |
| 07:40.39 | Jucato | moo |
| 07:40.57 | Renze | Jucato: you'll moo and like it, mister! |
| 07:41.09 | Sho_ | The Lore of the Cow is slowly coming to him |
| 07:41.14 | archangelpetro | who's website is larry? |
| 07:41.22 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:41.25 | archangelpetro | or is it |
| 07:41.26 | Sho_ | archangelpetro: Larry the Cow is the mascot of Gentoo Linux |
| 07:41.28 | archangelpetro | just official? |
| 07:41.31 | Jucato | archangelpetro is pretty clueless :) |
| 07:41.32 | archangelpetro | bleh |
| 07:41.35 | Jucato | gr.. |
| 07:41.36 | archangelpetro | WEll.. |
| 07:41.38 | Jucato | Sho_: you ruined it |
| 07:41.40 | archangelpetro | not like i use gentoo. |
| 07:41.45 | archangelpetro | so shut up |
| 07:41.50 | Jucato | archangelpetro: I told you to google it :) |
| 07:42.06 | Jucato | I don't use Gentoo either, if you've noticed :) |
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| 07:42.08 | archangelpetro | and i just got a site about gentoo |
| 07:42.20 | Sho_ | archangelpetro: I mean, it's obvious that a distribution named after a species of penguins would adopt a cow as mascot, right? |
| 07:42.21 | archangelpetro | so i figured that was what the name referred to. |
| 07:42.32 | archangelpetro | lol.. i mean obviously. |
| 07:42.49 | Renze | penguins and cows are like peas and carrots |
| 07:42.58 | Jucato | more like peas and strawberries |
| 07:43.05 | archangelpetro | yea.. |
| 07:43.07 | archangelpetro | clueless |
| 07:43.10 | Renze | or fish and bicycles |
| 07:43.14 | Sho_ | Renze: I was so angry when they left the cows out of that penguin movie last year |
| 07:43.18 | Jucato | or Renze and Sho_ |
| 07:43.24 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:43.29 | Jucato | Sho_: Happy Feet? |
| 07:43.29 | Sho_ | Renze: I was like, "this is not a realistic depiciton of penguin/cow society" |
| 07:43.33 | Renze | Sho_: aren't penguins just baby cows? |
| 07:43.37 | archangelpetro | loooool |
| 07:43.38 | Sho_ | Renze: "It's not the complete picture at all" |
| 07:43.48 | Jucato | Renze: other way around... |
| 07:43.53 | archangelpetro | yea.. |
| 07:43.56 | Jucato | er.. nvm.. you're correct |
| 07:43.56 | Renze | Jucato: you mean they get smaller? |
| 07:43.58 | archangelpetro | cow == evolved penguins.. |
| 07:44.02 | Sho_ | Jucato: Nah that other one ... |
| 07:44.04 | archangelpetro | since the penguins say |
| 07:44.12 | Sho_ | Jucato: March of the Penguins |
| 07:44.14 | archangelpetro | "damn it's cold here.. lets move somewhere warmer" |
| 07:44.15 | Jucato | aaah |
| 07:44.28 | Jucato | also... when penguins get smarter, they moo :) |
| 07:44.42 | Jucato | otherwise, they turn into small, ticklish reptiles |
| 07:44.45 | archangelpetro | yea well.. jucato |
| 07:44.57 | archangelpetro | i'm sorry for being blatantly ignorante of the connections between cows and penguins |
| 07:45.00 | archangelpetro | -e |
| 07:45.08 | Jucato | another species of penguins evolves from one animal to another |
| 07:45.22 | Jucato | archangelpetro: no need to be sorry... like Sho_ said, it was painfully obvious anyway :) |
| 07:45.26 | Sho_ | Jucato: It's magic! See, you don't need SourceMage. |
| 07:45.27 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:45.44 | Jucato | archangelpetro: good boy :) |
| 07:45.53 | Jucato | Google is your friend.. |
| 07:45.54 | archangelpetro | since you're probably talking about the economic status of india or something. |
| 07:45.56 | Jucato | your Big Brother |
| 07:46.01 | Renze | we are a weird bunch, aren't we? |
| 07:46.17 | archangelpetro | Jucato, |
| 07:46.24 | Jucato | so weird, that we haven't had any KDE-related discussion for the last... um... 30 minutes :) |
| 07:46.30 | archangelpetro | larry the cow could be a channel-wide colloquialism |
| 07:46.39 | archangelpetro | i didnt think google would really prove useful |
| 07:46.39 | Sho_ | SourceMage has a package manager written in 30k lines of bash code. Their website proclaims they see it as a proof of the apitude of bash script for large-scale application development. |
| 07:47.09 | Sho_ | I cannot describe the multitude of emotions that overcame me when I read that |
| 07:47.10 | Jucato | archangelpetro: do not underestimate the power of the Google! |
| 07:47.26 | Renze | Sho_: did all of them involve laughter? |
| 07:47.30 | Jucato | Sho_: I can describe it for you... "utter disbelief and disgust" |
| 07:47.36 | Simkin | hahha |
| 07:47.41 | Simkin | i wonder how long they spent writing it |
| 07:47.44 | Sho_ | Renze: Not all |
| 07:47.47 | Simkin | that musta been painfull |
| 07:47.48 | Sho_ | Renze: There were tears, too |
| 07:48.04 | archangelpetro | source mage is for ubergeeks |
| 07:48.07 | archangelpetro | RPG geeks |
| 07:48.08 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 07:48.24 | Simkin | you can create complex programs with "brainfuck" if you want. but who the heck would want to ? |
| 07:48.28 | Renze | bah, critical fail |
| 07:48.31 | Jucato | Sho_: make one |
| 07:48.42 | Simkin | Sho_: there is one for all distros using kde. |
| 07:48.42 | archangelpetro | Sho_, ye amake an LCARS wm |
| 07:48.50 | archangelpetro | :O |
| 07:48.52 | Simkin | Sho_: there is an lcars template |
| 07:49.09 | Jucato | Sho_: I'll be your first tester for an LCARS based windeco/style/color scheme/icon theme |
| 07:49.10 | Simkin | Sho_: It's not perfect but i beleive it includes the sounds and pics etc. |
| 07:49.10 | archangelpetro | Simkin, it's worrying that you know this. |
| 07:49.13 | Sho_ | I meant theme in the sense of how SourceMage uses D&D lingo for its primary commands |
| 07:49.20 | Simkin | archangelpetro: a co worker has it installed! |
| 07:49.25 | Sho_ | i.e. to install a package in SourceMage, one "casts a spell" |
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| 07:49.29 | archangelpetro | yea yea Simkin |
| 07:49.32 | Jucato | Sho_: aliases :) |
| 07:49.38 | Sho_ | In my Trek distro, the primary command would be "replicate" |
| 07:49.39 | Sho_ | :) |
| 07:49.52 | archangelpetro | mine would be |
| 07:49.56 | archangelpetro | 'holodeck' |
| 07:50.04 | Renze | Sho_: don't for get the "damnit, Jim" command |
| 07:50.05 | Jucato | beam up |
| 07:50.08 | Renze | forget* |
| 07:50.09 | archangelpetro | holodeck *.mpg |
| 07:50.10 | archangelpetro | ;) |
| 07:50.37 | archangelpetro | Renze, send some of that humidity this way would you? im cold |
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| 07:50.53 | Renze | archangelpetro: if I could, I would |
| 07:51.27 | Jucato | humidity > archangelpetro |
| 07:52.11 | archangelpetro | btw. |
| 07:52.21 | archangelpetro | kttsd doesnt come with kate-plugins |
| 07:52.31 | Jucato | archangelpetro: of course not |
| 07:52.33 | Renze | no, it comes with kttsd |
| 07:52.41 | Jucato | kate-plugins comes with the kttsd plugin for kate. |
| 07:52.51 | Jucato | but kttsd comes with the kttsd package |
| 07:53.09 | Renze | which requires festival, and some voice data |
| 07:54.16 | archangelpetro | Jucato, kttsd has been installed.. a |
| 07:55.22 | archangelpetro | kttsd and kate-plugins have been installed. |
| 07:55.40 | Jucato | does kttsd already work? |
| 07:56.04 | Jucato | by itself I mean |
| 07:56.36 | archangelpetro | bollocks |
| 07:56.39 | archangelpetro | apparantly nor |
| 07:56.45 | archangelpetro | failed to open devise |
| 07:56.47 | Jucato | hm... |
| 07:57.04 | Jucato | anyway.. not really familiar with kttsd so I'll keep quiet momentarily |
| 07:57.21 | oGALAXYo | keep quiet yoooo :) |
| 07:57.25 | archangelpetro | tut, clueless ;) |
| 07:57.26 | archangelpetro | hehehe |
| 07:57.38 | archangelpetro | ffs |
| 07:58.52 | archangelpetro | :D just teasing |
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| 08:08.48 | archangelpetro | silence eh? |
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| 08:09.32 | Balsamic_Chicken | what does: "patch <~/filepath/filename" mean? espeically the < sign |
| 08:09.40 | archangelpetro | crickets lol |
| 08:09.46 | Renze | < means "input from the file goes here" |
| 08:09.54 | Balsamic_Chicken | o |
| 08:09.56 | Balsamic_Chicken | thx |
| 08:10.08 | Renze | np |
| 08:11.03 | Balsamic_Chicken | just to make sure i got it right, " < " specifies where the input file to patch command is right? |
| 08:11.15 | Renze | yes |
| 08:11.20 | Balsamic_Chicken | cool, thx alot =) |
| 08:11.21 | Renze | just like > outputs to a file |
| 08:11.26 | Balsamic_Chicken | ic =) |
| 08:15.18 | archangelpetro | rar |
| 08:15.35 | Renze | tar.bz2 |
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| 08:16.19 | Schalken | is it possible to configure kwin to remove the window borders (but keep the titlebar)? |
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| 08:17.00 | Renze | that's up to each window decoration |
| 08:17.46 | Schalken | is there a windeco that would do that? |
| 08:17.54 | Renze | none spring to mind |
| 08:17.58 | Sho_ | Several |
| 08:18.23 | Schalken | i know some have a 'border size' setting, maybe that can be set to zero? |
| 08:18.27 | Schalken | i dont have kde installed atm |
| 08:18.27 | Sho_ | One is actually shipped with KDE |
| 08:18.38 | Sho_ | Unfortunately I don't seem to have kdenetwork installed |
| 08:18.42 | Sho_ | Anyway, it's not very pretty |
| 08:18.46 | Sho_ | err |
| 08:18.51 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 08:18.51 | Sho_ | s/kdenetwork/kdeartwork/ |
| 08:18.59 | Sho_ | sorry, the sleep deprivation kicking in |
| 08:19.04 | Schalken | lol |
| 08:19.06 | archangelpetro | Sho_, |
| 08:19.12 | archangelpetro | you know the cure for that.. ios going to bed? |
| 08:19.15 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 08:19.42 | Sho_ | Schalken: FWIW, the "Knifty" deco has very thin borders in the color of the window background |
| 08:19.49 | Sho_ | Schalken: http://www.eikehein.com/domino1.png |
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| 08:20.45 | archangelpetro | Renze, it's not working |
| 08:20.46 | archangelpetro | :) |
| 08:20.54 | Renze | archangelpetro: give it time |
| 08:21.02 | archangelpetro | time is all it ever takes. |
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| 08:21.22 | Schalken | i just saw an osx screenshot that showed no window border, just a titlebar ('twas quite stylish!) and was wondering if kde could do that |
| 08:21.45 | Sho_ | Schalken: Window decos can certainly do that, technically |
| 08:21.47 | Schalken | or linux in gerneral |
| 08:22.00 | Schalken | but totally up to the deco |
| 08:22.04 | Sho_ | yup |
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| 08:22.47 | Sho_ | Schalken: Install kdeartwork and look through the list of decos ... there is at least one in the package that has no borders, only a bar, iirc |
| 08:23.11 | Schalken | will do wehn i have a kde distro |
| 08:23.38 | sredna | Let me check |
| 08:24.08 | Sho_ | The ModSystem deco perhaps? |
| 08:24.28 | Schalken | you know its funny putting kde's and gnome's 'window preferences' windows side-by-side |
| 08:24.34 | archangelpetro | i wonder if it's a bad thing that i'm not really aware of what these bugs mean |
| 08:24.46 | archangelpetro | Microsoft Help Workshop is prone to stack based memory corruption vulnerability during processing (.HPJ) help project files. This vulnerability could be exploited to execute arbitrary code within the remote user context. |
| 08:25.02 | archangelpetro | i wouldnt even begin know how anyone would go about doing that. |
| 08:25.44 | Schalken | gnome's features a total of five options. kde's would have over 20 |
| 08:25.59 | Sho_ | archangelpetro: It means you can feed it specifically prepared files that contain code that ends up being executed on the machine |
| 08:26.03 | archangelpetro | well.. |
| 08:26.06 | archangelpetro | i understand that part :D |
| 08:26.20 | sredna | I can't see any, but then I may not have kdeartwork installed |
| 08:26.22 | archangelpetro | what i mean.. is how someone would go about implementing that |
| 08:26.33 | archangelpetro | i've seen some of the written exploits that prove these vulns.. |
| 08:26.34 | archangelpetro | but.. |
| 08:26.45 | archangelpetro | the whole thing kinda confuses me.. |
| 08:27.02 | archangelpetro | like char shellcode = "\x9d\x23" etc. |
| 08:27.30 | sredna | No, I haven't |
| 08:28.28 | Sho_ | archangelpetro: Well, be happy not just anyone can do it ;) |
| 08:28.52 | archangelpetro | well, i think that perhaps i should be able to |
| 08:28.53 | sredna | ... and don't use microsoft software :-) |
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| 08:32.54 | archangelpetro | Sho_, obviously it's not for malicious reasons, but i feel being a final year computer science student.. i probably should know more about that kinda thign |
| 08:33.24 | archangelpetro | our degree focused more on concepts and higher level things tbh, we had a very brief introduction to C.. and focused mainly on java |
| 08:33.30 | Sho_ | archangelpetro: Well, read up on archetypal stack corruption bugs to get a hang for the pattern |
| 08:33.44 | archangelpetro | only reason i know perl is because i was interested in learning it :P |
| 08:33.54 | archangelpetro | and python :) (although not finish reading the book yet) |
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| 08:34.54 | thiago | when you're writing code with sed, awk and grep and it becomes complex, your natural evolution is to go to Perl |
| 08:35.04 | thiago | going with another language is a rewrite from scratch |
| 08:35.13 | Sho_ | Then again, who wants to write code with sed, awk and grep |
| 08:35.32 | thiago | command-line hacks that become programs |
| 08:35.34 | Renze | Sho_: Larry Wall did, until he got fed up and made perl ;) |
| 08:35.46 | archangelpetro | well tbh |
| 08:35.51 | archangelpetro | that's all i use perl for |
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| 08:36.07 | archangelpetro | quick and easy programs that need to do something that dont require much development/attention |
| 08:36.22 | archangelpetro | eww |
| 08:36.22 | Sho_ | Perl programmers seem to go through two phases. In phase one, their code is unreadable, because they don't know the language. In phase two, their code is unreadable, because they know the language. The transition is seamless and nearly undetectable. |
| 08:36.33 | thiago | heh |
| 08:36.33 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 08:36.34 | thiago | true |
| 08:36.47 | oGALAXYo | nothing wrong with perl |
| 08:36.51 | archangelpetro | i do like perl |
| 08:36.55 | archangelpetro | but java was my first language :P |
| 08:37.01 | archangelpetro | so anything application-like |
| 08:37.05 | archangelpetro | i write in java :D |
| 08:37.08 | oGALAXYo | i am doing java programming at work |
| 08:37.13 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 08:37.55 | archangelpetro | EE? |
| 08:37.55 | oGALAXYo | j2ee and j2se |
| 08:37.55 | thiago | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/scripts/generate_string_table.pl?view=auto <--- I made this yesterday. It's hopefully understandable. |
| 08:37.55 | archangelpetro | cool, i havent had a great deal of experience with ee |
| 08:37.55 | oGALAXYo | theres not much difference actually.. |
| 08:37.59 | oGALAXYo | java is java.. except a few more classes. |
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| 08:39.16 | archangelpetro | i know :D |
| 08:39.30 | archangelpetro | but chances are (as much as i hope not:P) |
| 08:39.30 | oGALAXYo | i first started with assembler 24 years ago or so.. |
| 08:39.39 | Renze | java is java, except for the source of the coffee beans ;) |
| 08:39.42 | archangelpetro | i'll be coding java |
| 08:40.04 | archangelpetro | well to be honest, i dont know assembler amazingly well either |
| 08:40.20 | archangelpetro | :S |
| 08:40.32 | archangelpetro | if that |
| 08:40.33 | archangelpetro | lol |
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| 08:41.19 | pwuertz | anyone had a look at D yet? |
| 08:41.53 | oGALAXYo | z80 asm, then 68k asm, then powerpc asm, then 6502/6510/65c816 asm.. (well 68k, ppc and 65xxx at the same time).. then with C and later on with JAVA .... excluding scripting stuff such as REXX, BASH, PERL and so on. |
| 08:42.05 | pwuertz | D looks like a nice language... but the library situation is poor |
| 08:42.15 | oGALAXYo | it took me years to get me going from ASM to some structural language like C .. |
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| 08:42.34 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 08:42.58 | oGALAXYo | java is quite trivial.. its basicly "nailing together". |
| 08:43.07 | thiago | we've already got C++ and Java. No need to learn C# and D. |
| 08:43.09 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 08:43.11 | oGALAXYo | you use bricks and put some junk together.. using eclipse its easy. |
| 08:43.18 | archangelpetro | indeed |
| 08:43.23 | archangelpetro | java tbh isnt hard |
| 08:43.28 | archangelpetro | i found perl really very simple tbh. |
| 08:43.42 | oGALAXYo | i do plenty of servlets and jsp stuff.. |
| 08:43.53 | archangelpetro | well saying that i havent developed anything over 500-1000 lines in perl |
| 08:43.57 | archangelpetro | most complicated thing i wrote |
| 08:44.03 | archangelpetro | was an artificial neural network classifier |
| 08:44.10 | archangelpetro | (which tbh is all maths) |
| 08:44.19 | oGALAXYo | servlets are great actually since you can have a main method and the doget and doput methods in one class and you can write methods quite clearly.. jsp is more like early days of php. where you had all the shit mixed together.. |
| 08:44.23 | pwuertz | thiago, well... I'm missing delegates in C++ |
| 08:44.54 | archangelpetro | C++ is my next goal |
| 08:45.05 | archangelpetro | but knowing C/ Java should help |
| 08:45.27 | thiago | pwuertz: delegates? |
| 08:45.38 | thiago | pwuertz: I'm sure you can implement it |
| 08:45.45 | pwuertz | thiago, function pointers to object methods |
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| 08:46.12 | archangelpetro | oGALAXYo, is coding java paid well? |
| 08:46.17 | thiago | pwuertz: that exists |
| 08:46.18 | pwuertz | thiago, dont know... i've seen such implementations... looks dirty |
| 08:46.28 | thiago | pwuertz: void (Object:: *)(); |
| 08:46.30 | archangelpetro | (not that money really is a large concern of mine, 'is just curious for career prospects') |
| 08:46.58 | pwuertz | thiago, no... a delegate is a function pointer + a this pointer |
| 08:47.28 | pwuertz | if you save a delegate, you dont have to remember from which object you got it from |
| 08:47.55 | thiago | pwuertz: template<typename T> struct Delegate { T *pointer; void (T:: *function)(); void operator()() { T->*function(); } }; |
| 08:48.36 | archangelpetro | hmm |
| 08:48.38 | thiago | that thing has a sizeof == 24 in some architectures |
| 08:49.02 | pwuertz | right.... and you have to do that for every function you can think of (in terms of parameters) |
| 08:49.26 | thiago | templates too, with partial specialisation |
| 08:49.34 | thiago | or a dummy type |
| 08:50.15 | pwuertz | macro |
| 08:50.17 | pwuertz | macro? |
| 08:50.22 | thiago | no |
| 08:50.54 | pwuertz | right now you can use void(void) functions only |
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| 08:51.46 | thiago | template<typename T, typename Arg1, typename Arg2> struct Delegate { T *pointer; void (T:: function)(Arg1, Arg2); void operator()(Arg1 a1, Arg2 a2) { T->*function(a1, a2); } }; |
| 08:52.30 | thiago | template<typename T, typename Arg1, void> struct Delegate { T *pointer; void (T:: *function)(Arg1); void operator()(Arg1 a1) { T->*function(a1); } } |
| 08:52.34 | thiago | and so on |
| 08:52.35 | pwuertz | well... you get the point? you have to do the trick for every method that differs in method arguments |
| 08:53.12 | thiago | no, you need to do that for each parameter length |
| 08:53.12 | pwuertz | well... if there were an easy solution for delegates.... trolltech wouldnt do the Signal Slot stunt, would they ^^ ? |
| 08:53.19 | thiago | once done, it's done |
| 08:53.19 | pwuertz | right |
| 08:53.51 | thiago | in the long run, signal/slots proved to be better |
| 08:54.01 | thiago | we wouldn't have the D-Bus capabilities we have now if they had been delegates |
| 08:54.32 | michaelpo | hi.. why are they 4 workspaces? how does one use them effectively and efficiently?\ |
| 08:54.40 | thiago | on the other hand, if C++ had a more powerful reflection/typeinfo system like Java does, it would simplify again |
| 08:54.47 | pwuertz | signals and slots could be implemented as a Vector of delegates |
| 08:54.56 | Sho_ | michaelpo: The number is configurable |
| 08:55.21 | thiago | michaelpo: I have shells on the first, email on the second, chats on the third and fourth |
| 08:55.36 | thiago | pwuertz: true, but you don't get to know the name of the function that you're calling |
| 08:55.55 | pwuertz | thiago, is that necessary? |
| 08:55.57 | thiago | pwuertz: and since delegates, as you said, can be of any length of parameters, how do you know that they are compatible? |
| 08:56.01 | michaelpo | why not just open many software in just one workspace? |
| 08:56.30 | thiago | michaelpo: because you can do better. |
| 08:56.44 | pwuertz | thiago, you know this at compile time.... |
| 08:57.02 | thiago | pwuertz: so, there is a way of constraining the parameter types of the functions being called, right? |
| 08:57.07 | Sho_ | michaelpo: Some people like distributing windows among the workspaces seperated by the work/task they're related too |
| 08:57.55 | pwuertz | thiago, defining a delegate is like defining a function pointer |
| 08:58.15 | thiago | pwuertz: then it's no different than the structs I made above. |
| 08:59.00 | pwuertz | thiago, right... but its less work ^^ |
| 08:59.17 | pwuertz | thats the whole point, isnt it? |
| 08:59.20 | thiago | pwuertz: agreed |
| 08:59.41 | thiago | pwuertz: that thing above would also require a virtual table, thereby increasing the size by 4 or 8 |
| 08:59.49 | thiago | so on IA-64, it's 32 bytes |
| 09:00.28 | Sho_ | .oO (<thiago> Sho_: "you can accomplish everything with an extra level of indirection") |
| 09:00.38 | thiago | to top all that, having a virtual table means at least 4 relocations in memory (virtual function, typeinfo, typeinfo pointer, typeinfo name) |
| 09:01.14 | pwuertz | alot of work? |
| 09:01.36 | thiago | no, but a lot of cruft for something that the compiler could do for us |
| 09:02.06 | thiago | now, if Qt had been using delegates, we wouldn't have the meta object |
| 09:02.22 | thiago | and with no meta object, I would have needed to write a parser for QtDBus |
| 09:02.45 | michaelpo | hmm... ok.. ive use linux for about 3 days... have not started using the different workspaces feature yet... will try to use it... still in winxp mindset... |
| 09:03.57 | pwuertz | qt4 does not work with D... so its not really an option for me ^^ |
| 09:04.31 | pwuertz | got used to qt the past months :) |
| 09:04.36 | Sho_ | michaelpo: If it gets in your way, you can disable it, or just remove the pager applet from your panel, of course |
| 09:04.38 | thiago | I meant "if C++ had delegates and if Qt used that" |
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| 09:05.22 | michaelpo | Sho_: is not getting in my way.... if it is there.. it must be useful somehow, someway... |
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| 09:07.15 | Sho_ | michaelpo: Just saying, one of KDEs mainstays is really that you can configure it quite flexibly how you want it to look and behave :) |
| 09:07.48 | michaelpo | Sho_: ok thanks... |
| 09:08.15 | michaelpo | will figure out a way for a good use for the workspaces... |
| 09:08.30 | michaelpo | will figure a way to put the workspaces to good use.... |
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| 09:10.27 | thiago | workspaces are only bad if you don't know what they are and accidentally switch |
| 09:10.33 | thiago | and then you go "Where did my windows go!?" |
| 09:10.44 | pwuertz | -> reboot |
| 09:10.54 | mariux | hi, my Xserver is now a 1280 viewframe onto a 1400 desktop |
| 09:10.59 | mariux | i want everything to be 1400 |
| 09:11.03 | michaelpo | hhaaha... reboot... |
| 09:11.12 | thiago | mariux: embedded X like Xnest or Xephyr? |
| 09:11.16 | mariux | mplayer f...ked it up |
| 09:11.24 | mariux | thiago: no, just normal X |
| 09:11.30 | thiago | mariux: ah... run krandrtray and switch back |
| 09:11.34 | mariux | thiago: no good |
| 09:11.44 | mariux | nothing happends |
| 09:11.56 | Schalken | do kde's themes effect all of qt? |
| 09:12.23 | thiago | mariux: have you selected the new resolution? |
| 09:12.28 | thiago | Schalken: no, not all |
| 09:12.46 | Shirakawasuna | lots, though |
| 09:12.47 | mariux | yes |
| 09:14.05 | Schalken | so do kde themes apply to qt (non-kde) apps like google earth and scribus? |
| 09:14.19 | thiago | widget themes? yes |
| 09:14.30 | thiago | window decorations? yes, since they are outside the window |
| 09:14.41 | Schalken | colors? |
| 09:14.54 | thiago | icon themes? Not unless the app was written with that in mind and Qt 4.2 or later |
| 09:14.59 | thiago | colours, yes, I think so |
| 09:15.25 | Schalken | okay, cheers |
| 09:15.28 | thiago | transparent menus, MacOS X-style menus? No, doubtful. |
| 09:15.43 | thiago | fonts? Yes |
| 09:15.48 | Schalken | what are macosx-style menus? |
| 09:15.54 | thiago | especially if you set the font with qtconfig |
| 09:16.03 | thiago | menu bars at the top of the screen, outside the window |
| 09:16.11 | Sho_ | Shouldn't be necessary, the kcms write out qtrc iirc |
| 09:16.33 | thiago | aye |
| 09:16.44 | Schalken | ah |
| 09:16.58 | thiago | the widget themes do apply to Qt applications because they are Qt plugins |
| 09:17.07 | thiago | instead of loading them inside KDE, we force them upon Qt |
| 09:17.26 | thiago | so, it may happen that your non-KDE Qt programs end up loading the KDE libraries |
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| 09:47.45 | incidence | When I'm trying to build KDE4 from SVN, with this guide, http://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php#step5 |
| 09:48.10 | incidence | and when I'm running the "kbuildsycoca", I get "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!" |
| 09:48.34 | Sho_ | incidence: That guide does not apply, use http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version |
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| 09:49.18 | incidence | Oh, thank you |
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| 10:04.59 | linuxguy | anyone knows how to set the default browswer to iceweasel? Now every time I right click the link and choose open link in browser it's opened in konqueror |
| 10:05.40 | Sho_ | KControl -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser -> Web Browser |
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| 10:07.34 | Desintegr | is there any solution to the « too many open files » in Ktorrent ? |
| 10:08.00 | Sho_ | Well, you can bump the open files limit on the system |
| 10:08.15 | Desintegr | with ulimit ? |
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| 10:10.08 | Sho_ | or /etc/limits, /etc/security/limits.conf (PAM), etc. |
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| 10:10.59 | tstaerk | how can I give the focus to a window via commandline ? |
| 10:11.19 | Sho_ | tstaerk: http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ |
| 10:12.01 | tstaerk | Sho_, thanks! |
| 10:12.19 | linuxguy | Sho_: do i need to reopen application to make it work? regarding the default browser problem |
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| 10:12.35 | Sho_ | linuxguy: Normally no |
| 10:12.41 | Sho_ | linuxguy: Which app is it? |
| 10:12.48 | Sho_ | tstaerk: wmctrl is incredibly handy :) |
| 10:13.00 | logixoul | hey tstaerk, i'm wondering why do you recommend ssh for running kde4 apps inside a non-kde4 session instead of su? |
| 10:13.39 | Sho_ | (sounds weird) |
| 10:14.22 | sredna | logixoul: Some just allows the kde4 user to use the x session (xhost +<user>) |
| 10:14.34 | linuxguy | let's say xchat |
| 10:15.12 | sredna | linuxguy: I doubt xchat uses kde to find out which browser to use |
| 10:15.27 | Sho_ | linuxguy: XChat is not a KDE application and won't respect KDEs browser setting |
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| 10:15.39 | Sho_ | linuxguy: KDE IRC clients exist which do |
| 10:15.45 | mariux | whats a good id3tag editor for kde? |
| 10:15.52 | Sho_ | mariux: Amarok |
| 10:16.06 | mariux | Sho_: nope, it doesnt change them correctly |
| 10:16.10 | linuxguy | Sho_: which one do you think is better? I mean IRC clients |
| 10:16.26 | mariux | atleast it doesn't write the kind of id3 tag that my mp3player reads |
| 10:16.30 | logixoul | sredna: sorry, didn't understand. Are you saying ssh -x allows the kde4 user to use the X session, but su doesn't? |
| 10:16.37 | Sho_ | linuxguy: I am a developer on http://konversation.kde.org/ so I'm inherently biased, sorry |
| 10:16.42 | logixoul | lol |
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| 10:17.03 | linuxguy | Sho_: never mind, thx anyway |
| 10:17.18 | sredna | logixoul: I say that I simply issue 'xhost +local:kde4user' and then just execute the kde4 apps as kde4user |
| 10:17.29 | mariux | are there any id3tag editors for kde that can do both v1 and v2? |
| 10:17.55 | logixoul | wouldn't that be id1/id2/id3 tag editors? :) |
| 10:18.03 | Sho_ | linuxguy: What I can tell you is that Konversation aims to be user-friendly yet feature complete with a clean UI that adheres to KDE best practices |
| 10:18.09 | Sho_ | linuxguy: Other KDE IRC clients are KSirc and Kopete |
| 10:18.15 | mariux | logixoul: no i think its id3v1 and id3v2 |
| 10:18.18 | sredna | Doesn't konqueror allow you to edit id3 tags through the file properties dialog? |
| 10:18.28 | oGALAXYo | <archangelpetro> oGALAXYo, is coding java paid well? |
| 10:18.32 | mariux | sredna: i need to change it on like 50 files |
| 10:18.54 | oGALAXYo | archangelpetro: well i am software engineer. doing more than just coding... i am integrating systems, code in different languages and do different operating systems .. |
| 10:18.56 | logixoul | markey: oh, right. |
| 10:19.00 | logixoul | mariux: ^ |
| 10:19.03 | logixoul | markey: wrong nick |
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| 10:19.05 | sredna | mariux: I'd say konsole then :-) |
| 10:19.12 | mariux | :) |
| 10:19.16 | sredna | + vairous cli utilities |
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| 10:27.02 | archangelpetro | oGALAXYo, so does it pay well? i've been considering doing a Masters in software engineering, instead of a Phd in machine learning |
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| 10:27.49 | oGALAXYo | archangelpetro: depends on the company you work for.. you can not expect a small company paying you well.. you can expect it more in a large one.. |
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| 10:29.39 | oGALAXYo | archangelpetro: for me i am getting paid ok... but hey, whats better a Phd or a masters ? |
| 10:30.30 | archangelpetro | well not sure :P |
| 10:30.35 | archangelpetro | as far as qualifications go.. a PhD |
| 10:30.43 | oGALAXYo | yeah |
| 10:30.49 | oGALAXYo | a PhD is a doctor title |
| 10:30.52 | archangelpetro | but if i finish my PhD |
| 10:31.04 | archangelpetro | ill be 26 without having had any real world work experience |
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| 10:31.06 | archangelpetro | long term neway |
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| 10:32.56 | Shirakawasuna | if you like school, I say go for the PhD |
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| 10:33.19 | archangelpetro | well, gotta make sure i get funded :P |
| 10:33.20 | archangelpetro | hehe |
| 10:33.40 | Shirakawasuna | only a silly person that you wouoldn't want to work for anyways would look down on someone for starting out 2-3 years later because they wanted to get a doctorate ;) |
| 10:34.03 | archangelpetro | and yet the world is full of idiots :) |
| 10:38.03 | archangelpetro | but my PhD offer is on 'Natural Computing for problem solving in Dynamic Environments |
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| 10:40.48 | archangelpetro | so deciding .. is complicated :D |
| 10:41.08 | oGALAXYo | well we make big transitions in germany |
| 10:41.19 | oGALAXYo | we initially had the diploma stuff at univeristy and then a normal doctor title... |
| 10:41.30 | oGALAXYo | the ransition is going over to bachelor and master and phd crap. |
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| 10:43.09 | oGALAXYo | this bologna process made a big mess out of all for german universities. |
| 10:43.42 | archangelpetro | btw, with reference to deadlines do you know what granularity means? |
| 10:44.04 | oGALAXYo | no |
| 10:45.01 | qupada | can you use it in a sentence (no, really :P) |
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| 10:50.05 | osku | what's really new with 3.5.6 ? |
| 10:50.11 | osku | only bugs ? |
| 10:50.16 | osku | no new features ? |
| 10:50.24 | logixoul | osku: almost |
| 10:50.28 | Sho_ | yes, many new bugs. |
| 10:50.29 | Sho_ | ;-) |
| 10:50.31 | oGALAXYo | theres 3.5.6 ? |
| 10:50.34 | osku | :D |
| 10:50.35 | Sho_ | osku: Several new features: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php |
| 10:50.36 | logixoul | oGALAXYo: tagged |
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| 10:50.47 | osku | ah thanks |
| 10:50.50 | Sho_ | The biggest is probably mail templates in KMail |
| 10:51.02 | Sho_ | The Kate session menu kicker applet/kmenu extension is also nice |
| 10:51.19 | oGALAXYo | heh impressive. |
| 10:51.25 | oGALAXYo | thats plenty of stuff |
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| 10:52.23 | osku | thanks Sho_ ! |
| 10:52.52 | Sho_ | np |
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| 11:26.17 | incidence | is KDE wallet svn broken? |
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| 11:27.30 | incidence | When compiling kdelibs I got: http://pastebin.ca/323440 |
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| 11:30.06 | slacker_nl | hello |
| 11:30.10 | slacker_nl | have a small question |
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| 11:30.30 | Daverocks | slacker_nl: ask |
| 11:30.38 | slacker_nl | I want to try out kde4, can it run next to kde3? |
| 11:31.23 | slacker_nl | or do I first need to uninstall kde3? |
| 11:31.27 | automan | anyone know of a mirror that has kdelibs-3.5.6.tar.bz2? the ftp at gatech.edu seems to have dropped it |
| 11:31.27 | Jucato | no |
| 11:31.44 | Jucato | slacker_nl: what are you going to install kde4 for? |
| 11:31.53 | Jucato | (hm.. that sounds a bit redundant...) |
| 11:31.56 | slacker_nl | Jucato: read an article in linux format |
| 11:32.09 | slacker_nl | and made me kinda curious |
| 11:32.12 | slacker_nl | so wanna try it out |
| 11:32.28 | Jucato | slacker_nl: you should be informed that kde4 is not yet entirely that usable for non-developers/programmers |
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| 11:32.39 | Jucato | it starts, it runs a bit... and that's it |
| 11:33.02 | slacker_nl | Jucato: I know |
| 11:33.19 | slacker_nl | That's why I'm asking if it can run next to kde3 |
| 11:33.24 | Jucato | yes you could |
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| 11:33.51 | Jucato | you'll need some basic knowledge of compiling from source, luck, and a lot of patience, and this: http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version |
| 11:34.45 | automan | anyone have a clue about that kdelib tar.bz i need? |
| 11:34.49 | Jucato | slacker_nl: just don't be surprised if it doesn't build or even run |
| 11:34.55 | slacker_nl | Jucato: I wont |
| 11:35.23 | slacker_nl | I just can't wait 6 more months ;0 |
| 11:35.25 | slacker_nl | ;) |
| 11:35.34 | Jucato | slacker_nl: unfortunately, you'd have to |
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| 11:36.00 | Jucato | the current state of KDE 4 will only leave curious end-users dissatisfied |
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| 11:36.18 | qupada | you do realise what you see today and what you will see in 6-9 months time just about won't resemble each other in the slightest |
| 11:36.19 | Jucato | most of the kool new features that you hear may be included aren't even in yet |
| 11:36.42 | Jucato | most of the time, you'd have to compile them with more special methods/procedures |
| 11:36.59 | Jucato | automan: http://www.kde.org/mirrors/ |
| 11:37.09 | automan | ty |
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| 11:37.30 | slacker_nl | Jucato: thnx for the info |
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| 11:38.12 | Jucato | automan: btw, I don't think there are archives yet for 3.5.6 |
| 11:38.50 | Jucato | since 3.5.6 hasn't been officially released yet |
| 11:39.12 | automan | i am a dev for sabayon |
| 11:39.21 | automan | wanting to get a head start |
| 11:39.25 | incidence | I just tried compiling KDE4, and it gives errors when compiling kdewallet :/ |
| 11:41.45 | automan | i just need the source file |
| 11:42.03 | qupada | incidence: frankly it amazes me that this suprises you. chances are it will be working again tomorrow. "in development" == "might not always work" |
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| 11:42.56 | automan | qupada, who are you speaking to? |
| 11:44.03 | qupada | automan: "00:39 < incidence> I just tried compiling KDE4, and it gives errors when compiling kdewallet :/" |
| 11:44.28 | automan | ah |
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| 11:44.48 | uludag | slm millet |
| 11:45.13 | uludag | hi |
| 11:45.57 | uludag | fucking all |
| 11:46.34 | qupada | ... |
| 11:46.53 | pinotree | how nice... |
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| 11:47.48 | janemba | hello |
| 11:48.15 | janemba | how can I remove the top panel of kicker ?? |
| 11:51.23 | Jucato | automan: wouldn't you like to get the packages straight from svn? |
| 11:51.49 | automan | yes |
| 11:51.54 | Jucato | http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.6/ |
| 11:51.59 | oGALAXYo | janemba: top panel ? |
| 11:52.04 | automan | i cool, thanks |
| 11:52.19 | oGALAXYo | janemba: do you have a screenshot ? |
| 11:52.25 | Jucato | 3.5.6 has been tagged a few days ago. seems like it hasn't been archived in .tar.gz/bz2 yet |
| 11:52.33 | janemba | hmmm when I lauch kicker I have two panel (or taskbar) one on top and one at bottom |
| 11:52.45 | Jucato | O.o |
| 11:53.04 | Jucato | janemba: could you give us a screenshot? |
| 11:53.05 | incidence | qupada: It doesn't suprise me x) I know that. and I did not assume that it would compile currently |
| 11:53.10 | janemba | s/lauch/launch |
| 11:53.22 | janemba | Jucato, I can try |
| 11:53.40 | oGALAXYo | Jucato: its probably the mac style panel.. |
| 11:53.47 | janemba | yes ;) |
| 11:53.51 | oGALAXYo | janemba: you can disable that one in case its the mac style panel.. |
| 11:53.59 | oGALAXYo | janemba: you can go into control center and disable it.. |
| 11:54.14 | oGALAXYo | janemba: but sent us a screenshot first. |
| 11:54.16 | Jucato | aaaah |
| 11:54.20 | Jucato | hm... just to be sure |
| 11:54.38 | Jucato | janemba: do you mean the menu bar at the top, with File Edit View etc? |
| 11:54.47 | janemba | Jucato, yes |
| 11:55.23 | Jucato | janemba: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> Menu bar at the top of the screen, set it to None |
| 11:55.40 | Sho_ | Jucato: Until it's officially released, any tag is tentative, of course |
| 11:55.50 | Jucato | Sho_: of course :) |
| 11:56.11 | Jucato | which is why my installation is sooo tentative... :) |
| 11:56.19 | janemba | Jucato, YEAH !!!! thanks := |
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| 11:58.36 | Jucato | Sho_: Johan Thelin is a kde dev right? |
| 11:59.13 | Jucato | oh fsck... brb... :( |
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| 12:00.41 | Sho_ | Jucato: He's the author of Speed Crunch iirc |
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| 12:01.38 | Jucato | Sho_: aah... looks like he's also writing a Qt book. so that's 2 KDE devs with Qt books... danimo said his will be available in English soon... |
| 12:01.54 | Sho_ | Jucato: I'm not aware of him being a KDE dev however |
| 12:01.55 | Jucato | total of 4 Qt 4 books... |
| 12:02.24 | Jucato | Sho_: ah... ok... that's why I asked. I just presumed since he's aggregated on the Planet |
| 12:02.27 | PhilRod | hiya Jucato, Sho_ |
| 12:02.33 | Jucato | hi PhilRod! |
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| 12:03.33 | Jucato | ugh.. brb really... :( |
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| 12:21.58 | Schalken | is there a way i can record a portion of my desktop? |
| 12:22.23 | Jucato | screenkast? |
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| 12:23.34 | PhilRod | or pyvnc2swf |
| 12:23.48 | PhilRod | hrm, I haven't used screenkast. Might try it out sometime |
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| 12:24.46 | Jucato | it's quite new, iirc |
| 12:25.53 | DeadS0ul | playing around..what were you doing heh |
| 12:26.29 | Jucato | spawn57: why were you hiding behind DeadSoul? hehehe |
| 12:26.41 | Jucato | spawn57: playing around... goofing.. chasing... beating each other like krap |
| 12:26.42 | spawn57 | hehe |
| 12:26.47 | spawn57 | was my old nick |
| 12:26.55 | spawn57 | hahah cool |
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| 12:54.12 | Jucato | annma!!! |
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| 12:54.33 | vdv | hi |
| 12:54.34 | annma | hi Jucato :)) |
| 12:54.48 | vdv | i'm mounting msdos partitions with iocharset=koi8-r, codepage=866 options in order to russian text in filenames display correctly |
| 12:54.57 | vdv | but they still doesn't display correctly in kde's file manager, konqueror |
| 12:55.05 | vdv | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.13 | vdv | i don't want russian console fonts |
| 12:55.24 | vdv | i just want filenames display correctly when browsing with konqueror |
| 12:55.32 | vdv | is it possible? |
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| 12:57.21 | thiago | which locale are you using? |
| 12:57.46 | vdv | is it depend on locale? |
| 12:58.02 | thiago | yes |
| 12:58.08 | thiago | which system locale are you using? |
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| 12:59.24 | janemba | hello |
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| 13:03.22 | vasa | help me please. I will compile kde without KATE. What need i flag? Sorry? my english bad :'( |
| 13:03.34 | janemba | How can I remove the application name in the kicker taskbar ? |
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| 13:04.37 | PhilRod | vasa: if no one here knows, ask in gentoo. Be aware that installing kde without kate is a bad idea |
| 13:04.47 | vasa | hmmm |
| 13:04.53 | vasa | PhilRod: i dont need kate |
| 13:04.55 | vasa | i use emacs |
| 13:04.56 | PhilRod | in fact, it's probably not even possible - the kate editor kpart is in kdelibs |
| 13:05.31 | vasa | hhmmm |
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| 13:05.50 | annma | vasa: it's not a big program |
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| 13:06.37 | annma | ask in #gentoo how to suppress a folder from compilation in any case |
| 13:06.58 | Sho_ | #gentoo-kde |
| 13:07.16 | Jucato | oooh they have a special channel just for KDE? how nice |
| 13:07.19 | Sho_ | (fwiw, the easiest way would be to add kde-base/kate to package.provided before emerging kdebase-meta) |
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| 13:07.56 | annma | are there people in "gentoo-kde? |
| 13:08.03 | Sho_ | usually there are |
| 13:08.12 | Sho_ | Haven't visited in a while, though |
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| 13:10.27 | vasa | annma: i dont need in kdeprint,licenses,kab,kabc. It is not big program;)? |
| 13:10.35 | vasa | and kate |
| 13:10.38 | vasa | =\ |
| 13:10.52 | PhilRod | not installing parts of kdelibs is asking for trouble, surely |
| 13:10.54 | annma | some progs depends on others |
| 13:11.05 | vasa | i under stand |
| 13:11.09 | Sho_ | PhilRod: kdelibs is monolithic in Gentoo anyway |
| 13:11.13 | annma | as I say, ask in #gentoo |
| 13:11.17 | vasa | ok |
| 13:11.19 | vasa | thanks |
| 13:11.23 | PhilRod | Sho_: good :-) |
| 13:11.39 | annma | otherwise hack the Makefile.am by hand vasa |
| 13:11.43 | Jucato | trimming down is good... but trimming down too much can be more problematic... |
| 13:12.09 | annma | by compiling at least you will be able to know if it depends on other progs |
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| 13:12.39 | annma | Jucato: yes, however he needs to know how Gentoo passes it |
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| 13:13.03 | Jucato | annma: yeah... it only works for pure compiling (from SVN for example) |
| 13:13.03 | Sho_ | (actually he never mentioned using Gentoo ..) |
| 13:13.20 | solsTiCe | hi. kde release are available to packager of distro earlier and before release. but must they wait until the release have been made to release their package ? |
| 13:13.20 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 13:13.28 | Jucato | we all just presumed :) |
| 13:13.28 | vasa | without arts - flag --without-arts. I think what without kate - --without-kate. But it's not rigth |
| 13:13.31 | annma | he mentionned flags |
| 13:13.44 | Sho_ | solsTiCe: In theory yes, in practice some distros tend to be bad apples |
| 13:13.47 | Jucato | vasa: what distro? |
| 13:13.55 | vasa | freebsd |
| 13:13.59 | Jucato | aaah... |
| 13:14.02 | vasa | =))) |
| 13:14.06 | Jucato | a whole different apple... |
| 13:14.08 | solsTiCe | mine just release it |
| 13:14.09 | annma | lol |
| 13:14.13 | cbr | is 3.5.6 out? |
| 13:14.21 | annma | we've all been got |
| 13:14.21 | Jucato | nope... no official release yet... |
| 13:14.34 | cbr | Accepted: |
| 13:14.34 | cbr | kappfinder_3.5.6.dfsg.1-1_i386.deb |
| 13:14.34 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.35 | Sho_ | The target date is the 23rd |
| 13:14.43 | Jucato | ooh Tuesday :) |
| 13:14.54 | Jucato | then I get bragging rights! yay!! |
| 13:14.57 | cbr | what's new? if anything? |
| 13:15.18 | annma | vasa: ask in #freebsd |
| 13:15.20 | Sho_ | much. http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php |
| 13:15.27 | vasa | annma: ok=) |
| 13:15.33 | Jucato | Kate Sessions applet!! :) |
| 13:15.42 | Jucato | hm.. doesn't PhilRod use *BSD? |
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| 13:16.20 | PhilRod | I very much doubt that there's a FreeBSDish way to disable parts of kdelibs from compiling |
| 13:16.27 | PhilRod | and even if I knew one, I wouldn't tell you ;-) |
| 13:16.43 | Jucato | lol |
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| 13:17.10 | Sho_ | Chances are he's unaware of the component being in the libs and actually wants to disable compilation of the application from kdebase |
| 13:17.18 | Sho_ | -> DO_NOT_COMPILE |
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| 13:18.34 | vasa | i have feeble computer(P3 700, 256 MB)=( kdelibs too long compile |
| 13:18.42 | vasa | and kdebase too+( |
| 13:18.47 | PhilRod | pkg_add |
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| 13:19.04 | oGALAXYo | vasa: you can improve compiling time by using gcc 4 |
| 13:19.15 | oGALAXYo | vasa: and even more if you use -O0 |
| 13:19.29 | oGALAXYo | this will decrease compile time by hours. |
| 13:19.29 | vasa | PhilRod: =)))) |
| 13:19.29 | Jucato | oGALAXYo: that looks like glasses |
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| 13:20.12 | vasa | oGALAXYo: ports best compile with native(own freebsd) gcc(3.4.4) |
| 13:20.36 | oGALAXYo | then use -O0 |
| 13:20.53 | oGALAXYo | it will already speed up plenty.. but still using gcc4 will give it another amount of fast compile.. |
| 13:20.58 | oGALAXYo | also enable precompiled headers |
| 13:21.04 | oGALAXYo | -enable-pch or hows it called |
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| 13:22.02 | vasa | oGALAXYo: ok, thx, i try it |
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| 13:27.18 | annma | ok, #gentoo-kde is very much alive |
| 13:27.29 | annma | Jucato: we can send people there |
| 13:27.49 | Jucato | annma: ooh that's good :) |
| 13:28.02 | oGALAXYo | #dev-null |
| 13:28.04 | oGALAXYo | is also a nice channel |
| 13:28.10 | Jucato | Sho_: aside from you, others send to #gentoo only... |
| 13:28.16 | annma | Sho_: yes but at a time there were no real support in #gentoo-kde |
| 13:28.29 | annma | now there are 2 devels |
| 13:28.39 | Sho_ | Jucato: #gentoo is such a chaotic, frantic high-traffic channel usually, getting focussed help is nigh impossible |
| 13:28.58 | Sho_ | Jucato: The forums are better |
| 13:29.05 | Jucato | Sho_: heh now you tell me... |
| 13:29.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well at least it used to be chaotic and frantic, I haven't been there in a year or so |
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| 13:30.06 | Jucato | how ironic that our 2 Gentoo exports don't lurk there.... |
| 13:30.09 | Przemcio78 | kde 3.5.6. seems quicker than kde 3.5.5 :) |
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| 13:30.30 | Sho_ | Przemcio78: The wonderful placebo effect of a fresh release |
| 13:30.57 | Przemcio78 | maybe :) I always have such an impression whenever new kde is out :) |
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| 13:32.32 | onesandzeros | good evening gentlemen. I'm suprised to see that there's going to be a 3.5.6. Might there be a 3.5.7 as well? |
| 13:32.49 | annma | onesandzeros: that would be good, yes |
| 13:33.01 | annma | onesandzeros: there are always possible improvements |
| 13:33.10 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: For as long as people are interested and show up to do the work, there will be releases, most likely long into the lifetime of KDE 4 |
| 13:33.12 | annma | like bug fixes, docs and traznslations |
| 13:33.16 | Jucato | I feel sooo late... |
| 13:33.20 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: Open-source software has no mandated end-of-life date |
| 13:33.36 | onesandzeros | Sho_: right, but once 4.0 arrives, most devs will focus on that, right? |
| 13:33.38 | Jucato | unless mandated by the distro :P |
| 13:33.39 | annma | the more 3.5.x releases the better for the user |
| 13:33.44 | spawn57 | if I have the sourcecode for kaboodle from kdemultimedia, how do I ..compile it? there's ./configure, and make doesn't work either =\ |
| 13:33.44 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: Most devs already focus on 4 |
| 13:33.53 | annma | we do focus on KDE4 since a long time |
| 13:34.03 | Jucato | onesandzeros: devs focus on what they want :) |
| 13:34.04 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: KDE 4 development began even before 3.5.0 was released :) |
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| 13:34.24 | annma | that does not prevent us to fix a little bug here and there in kde3 |
| 13:34.36 | Jucato | devs are also very reasonable (I think...), they know that KDE 3.5.x will still be used for a long time |
| 13:34.38 | Przemcio78 | exaxtly, the more the better |
| 13:34.39 | annma | onesandzeros: besides some bugfixes in KDE3 are also good for KDE4 |
| 13:36.18 | onesandzeros | so you guys are expecting to see 3.5.x releases even after 4.0.0 is out? Has that happened in the past? For example, I thought when 3.0 came out, there were no more 2.2.x releases. |
| 13:37.03 | thiago | it has happened in the past, but for exceptional cases |
| 13:37.03 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: However in that timeframe there were much less existing KDE 2.x deployments and thus less incentive to maintain it |
| 13:37.20 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: It's based on demand. People need to care and need to show up to do the work. |
| 13:37.23 | thiago | whether there will be a 3.5.7 or not hasn't been decided |
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| 13:37.33 | thiago | nor whether there will be a release after 4.0 |
| 13:37.50 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: And yes, it's reasonable to expect a demand for a maintained KDE 3.x well beyond the release of KDE 4.0. KDE 3.5 will be used for years to come all around the world. |
| 13:38.42 | thiago | some deployments of KDE that are happening now are using 3.5.x (or even older) and will need to stay with that for a few years |
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| 13:40.06 | cinnamine | Hi |
| 13:40.08 | onesandzeros | ok, thanks guys |
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| 13:40.37 | thiago | some deployments that will happen in a year or 18 months will still be looking to 3.5.x |
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| 13:40.40 | thiago | 4.0 will be too new |
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| 13:41.12 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: The resources spent on 3.5.x are not significant. It's maintenance/bugfixing. Some very small feature additions which need to be present in KDE 4 already to be allowed. |
| 13:41.32 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: So it's not like there are two similarly active development branches in parallel |
| 13:41.46 | cinnamine | the execute app, which is called by "Alt+F2" usually. Does it read the PATH env-var to find the app-names? |
| 13:42.05 | thiago | and by our own guidelines, no new features go into 3.5.x unless they have been added first to 4.0 |
| 13:42.08 | thiago | cinnamine: yes |
| 13:42.13 | onesandzeros | while I'm here... I remember some discussion about changes in KDE, for example, in Kcontrol. There was some talk about reducing the number of options. Do any of you remember that? Have any decisions been made? |
| 13:42.42 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: There is no intention to reduce the configurability of KDE |
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| 13:42.53 | thiago | onesandzeros: KControl will be reorganised |
| 13:43.01 | thiago | the configurability will not reduce |
| 13:43.05 | onesandzeros | Sho_: good, lol. I worried about it becoming like gnome (feature loss) |
| 13:43.09 | cinnamine | thiago, okay. and where do I have to set PATH, so it reads my own exeutables directory? |
| 13:43.12 | thiago | but we may move some of the more exotic features to scripts |
| 13:43.20 | thiago | cinnamine: before you log in to KDE |
| 13:43.44 | cinnamine | What file would that be? |
| 13:43.49 | Sho_ | onesandzeros: Nah, not gonna happen. We'll look into making it easier to use by making the functionality that is there easier to understand, discover and use, but not by taking it away. |
| 13:44.04 | thiago | cinnamine: your shell's login settings, for instance |
| 13:44.18 | Jucato | KDE almost never takes away... they just hide :) |
| 13:45.08 | cinnamine | ~/.bashrc? I did enter the value there, but it doesn't seem to work (after a new login). I can execute the command from bash now, but not Alt+F2 |
| 13:45.42 | oGALAXYo | cinnamine: honestly, if you dont know what you are doing then dont do it. |
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| 13:46.25 | oGALAXYo | kde is honoring path correctly. |
| 13:46.47 | cinnamine | lol? |
| 13:46.47 | Jucato | oGALAXYo: I know. which is why I said it was weird |
| 13:47.24 | spawn57 | cinnamine: yeah you usually have to log in and out for it to take effect =( |
| 13:47.33 | cinnamine | I did that |
| 13:47.45 | spawn57 | doh |
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| 13:52.13 | cinnamine | oGALAXYo, I thought the alt+f2 app is executed after some instance of bash and therefore editing .bashrc is correct. If it isn't which file is it? I only wish to solve that problem, "to know what you are doing" isn't normally a requirement. |
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| 13:55.49 | Przemcio78 | is there a place where i can get kde 3.5.6 sources? |
| 13:56.18 | oGALAXYo | cinnamine: add the PATHS to the correct file.. a) bashrc only works if you use bash.. correct path export would be in /etc/profile... and make sure when you start kde that you start the instance with a login shell rather than normal bash call. |
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| 13:58.07 | cinnamine | but /etc/profile is system-wide |
| 13:58.38 | oGALAXYo | right |
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| 13:58.54 | oGALAXYo | if your bashrc is not loaded then you dont run it a slogin shell |
| 13:59.01 | oGALAXYo | try this to understand it.. |
| 13:59.05 | oGALAXYo | start kconsole |
| 13:59.15 | oGALAXYo | enter 'echo $PATH' and see if your path is present there |
| 13:59.17 | oGALAXYo | then do this |
| 13:59.23 | oGALAXYo | start kconsole and enter 'bash --login' |
| 13:59.27 | oGALAXYo | enter 'echo $PATH' and see if your path is present there |
| 13:59.35 | oGALAXYo | you see that the second one is valid. |
| 13:59.55 | oGALAXYo | same applies for the whole kde instance.. you need to start the whole instance through a login shell so kde get the stuff. |
| 14:00.08 | oGALAXYo | try exporting in ~/.profile maybe that helps |
| 14:00.13 | Jucato | konsole... not kconsole :) |
| 14:00.19 | cinnamine | ah, okay |
| 14:03.01 | Sven | can someone tell how to set the background for root? I read sth. about qiv --root image.jpg but qiv is not installable |
| 14:03.34 | oGALAXYo | Sven: kcontrol-center setup background. |
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| 14:03.46 | Sven | oGALAXYo: as root? |
| 14:03.52 | oGALAXYo | Sven: yes |
| 14:03.54 | Jucato | Sven: run KControl as root |
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| 14:07.25 | spawn57 | that'll change kdm's background too? |
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| 14:09.25 | Jucato | spawn57: no. |
| 14:09.42 | Jucato | spawn57: KDM background is handled by the Login Manager module in KControl |
| 14:10.11 | spawn57 | Jucato: ah thanx |
| 14:10.35 | MetaBookfoziS | but you can download themes from kde-look.org |
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| 14:10.51 | MetaBookfoziS | and install it with repalcing it's path in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 14:10.56 | Jucato | of course |
| 14:11.09 | Jucato | you also have to enable using themes |
| 14:11.23 | Jucato | or to make it easier, install smileaf's kdmtheme kcontrol module |
| 14:11.41 | MetaBookfoziS | ofkoz';) |
| 14:12.02 | MetaBookfoziS | jucato you have the same problema s me? (the pendrive recognising problem?) |
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| 14:12.05 | Sven | mmh.. didn't work as I wanted it to... |
| 14:12.09 | Sven | trying sth. else |
| 14:12.22 | Jucato | Sven: what did you want? |
| 14:12.53 | Jucato | MetaBookfoziS: not really sure what my problem really is... |
| 14:12.54 | Sven | well, set the background for root so that conky works properly.. |
| 14:13.03 | Sven | but i read some other solution and trying that now |
| 14:13.10 | MetaBookfoziS | iirc you said, you have that, so what version of kernel you haev? |
| 14:13.11 | Jucato | ah... hm... |
| 14:13.26 | Jucato | MetaBookfoziS: that default that comes with Edgy. 2.6.17 |
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| 14:14.08 | Jucato | MetaBookfoziS: it's a bit complicated to explain... but I'm having troubles with my USB card reader (which is treated as a USB mass storage device) and media:/ in KDE |
| 14:14.13 | MetaBookfoziS | then my speculation is wronh |
| 14:14.47 | MetaBookfoziS | ( i though it have relation with kernel version [i have near the latest kernel on my own build]) |
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| 14:16.11 | MetaBookfoziS | detto, my phone is the same unrecognised as my pendrive (in mass-storage mode) |
| 14:20.42 | spawn57 | is declaring a function with void has a parameter common in C++? |
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| 14:22.14 | Jucato | um... afaik, the standard is that you don't use void as a parameter in functions that don't take any parameters |
| 14:22.21 | Jucato | you just leave them blank |
| 14:22.32 | Jucato | like "void foo();" |
| 14:23.41 | PhilRod | that's usual, but the C-style "void foo(void)" works too, for backward compatibility |
| 14:25.23 | spawn57 | ah |
| 14:25.55 | spawn57 | O |
| 14:26.06 | spawn57 | I'll just removed them from the kaboodle code then hehe |
| 14:27.45 | spawn57 | thanks btw |
| 14:29.02 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:29.11 | spawn57 | heh |
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| 14:29.48 | Jucato | heh |
| 14:30.01 | Kim^J | Hmm |
| 14:30.22 | Kim^J | Baah |
| 14:30.51 | annma | PhilRod: it's Sunday!!! |
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| 14:31.03 | PhilRod | annma: that's why I'm trying hard not to :-) |
| 14:31.08 | Jucato | since when did that stop devs from working? :P |
| 14:31.21 | Jucato | of course, "work" in this sense is a bit different :P |
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| 14:41.04 | MrGrim | Jucato: sunday is a day of rest :D |
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| 14:41.18 | Jucato | we shouldn't be online then :P |
| 14:41.30 | MrGrim | I'm downloading dragonball z episodes |
| 14:41.33 | MrGrim | I'm resting |
| 14:41.35 | Jucato | heh |
| 14:42.00 | MrGrim | tho also kinda peeved that my system can't seem to maintain a network connection for longer than a few seconds |
| 14:42.49 | MrGrim | ugh my first hop to my isp is over 100ms |
| 14:42.52 | MrGrim | this connection blows :/ |
| 14:43.18 | MrGrim | for 30-60 second spurts I'm pulling full 10mbit tho |
| 14:44.21 | MrGrim | suddenly my first hop is 10ms |
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| 14:46.44 | solemnwarning | Where are syntax highlighting files stored? |
| 14:46.58 | Kim^J | solemnwarning: FOr what? |
| 14:47.05 | solemnwarning | kate |
| 14:47.32 | MrGrim | is there a tool that would allow me to create a list of problems, their status (ongoing, fixed, etc.), a list of events (kernel upgrade, new x.org version), map events and problems to a calender, and compare? For example to track an intermittent problem and to try to isolate the change that caused it. |
| 14:48.26 | MrGrim | s/tool/program.. |
| 14:49.06 | Daverocks | MrGrim: i happened to see a linux security product at the linux.conf.au open day a few days ago that does stuff similar to what you describe |
| 14:49.16 | Daverocks | MrGrim: but forgot what it was called :P |
| 14:49.17 | MrGrim | oooo neat |
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| 14:49.35 | MrGrim | there are probably descriptions in the site |
| 14:49.47 | MrGrim | is there a site? |
| 14:49.49 | Daverocks | MrGrim: it seemed to be based around a company though, so i don't know if their product is free |
| 14:50.14 | Daverocks | MrGrim: um, probably... i _know_ i took a pamphlet... |
| 14:50.14 | MrGrim | there are many companies w/ free products.. vmware, swsoft, xen, etc. |
| 14:50.41 | Daverocks | MrGrim: true, but i think this guy said the company sold it to businesses using linux to manage their networks |
| 14:50.43 | MrGrim | interesting that all 3 are virtualization products |
| 14:50.46 | Daverocks | hang on, maybe i'm wrong |
| 14:50.48 | MrGrim | I just noticed that |
| 14:51.31 | MrGrim | you know what kicks ass? |
| 14:51.36 | MrGrim | I work w/ linux now |
| 14:51.44 | MrGrim | I make money from linux |
| 14:52.17 | Daverocks | that's pretty good :D |
| 14:52.20 | MrGrim | that just came outta nowhere, eh? |
| 14:52.23 | Daverocks | i don't work ;) |
| 14:52.26 | MrGrim | dunno, I'm excited :D |
| 14:52.51 | Daverocks | when i'm old enough, i guess... |
| 14:52.55 | Daverocks | but anyway |
| 14:53.09 | annma | solemnwarning: in $KDEDIR/share/apps/katepart/syntax |
| 14:53.35 | MrGrim | Daverocks: I'm wondering if kcalender can be adapted to do that |
| 14:53.55 | MrGrim | the big thing is the ability to perform an action like "When was the first date this problem was recorded?" |
| 14:54.05 | Daverocks | MrGrim: i think this is it, but it doesn't look like they provide anything: http://www.babel.com.au/ |
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| 14:54.37 | Daverocks | MrGrim: well i don't know, i don't use kcalendar; i'm not one of those huge pro-kde fanboys |
| 14:54.45 | ravermeister | does anybody know the path of the .desktop file of Storage Media |
| 14:55.11 | Daverocks | ravermeister: media:/ ? |
| 14:55.22 | ravermeister | right |
| 14:55.26 | MrGrim | Daverocks: I just like the integration.. there are many advantages to a pure desktop when it comes to that |
| 14:55.32 | ravermeister | but there is a .desktop file for it |
| 14:55.37 | ravermeister | called Storage Media |
| 14:55.39 | Daverocks | MrGrim: same |
| 14:55.43 | ravermeister | and in kde 3.5.5 it links ti |
| 14:55.44 | ravermeister | to |
| 14:55.51 | Daverocks | MrGrim: the thing is, i don't use _any_ calendar app ;) |
| 14:55.57 | PhilRod | ravermeister: there's probably a .protocol file for it somewhere |
| 14:55.58 | ravermeister | and i wannt to change it back to media:/ |
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| 14:56.17 | PhilRod | lol, I just realised what you meant |
| 14:56.19 | ravermeister | in my homedirectory? or where |
| 14:56.30 | Jucato | aah, Kubuntu's patch |
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| 14:56.57 | Jucato | I think he means the one in the System Menu kicker applet |
| 14:57.11 | Daverocks | MrGrim: but i do generally use kde apps for integration purposes, like with konqueror for example, it's way easier to handle files from the web (as in downloading) in a kde environment than in say, firefox |
| 14:57.36 | PhilRod | ravermeister: there's $KDEDIR/share/services/media.protocol |
| 14:57.40 | PhilRod | ~kdedir |
| 14:57.41 | apt | $KDEDIR is the directory your KDE is installed into. You can find out what directory this is with the command "kde-config --prefix" |
| 14:58.56 | Jucato | PhilRod: Kubuntu patched KDE in a way that all references to media:/ are replaced with /media |
| 14:59.05 | PhilRod | ah |
| 14:59.14 | PhilRod | weird |
| 14:59.20 | McEnroe | how do i enable real transparency? |
| 14:59.30 | ravermeister | hm but thats not the one im looking for i need the one who points to media:/, or in kde3.5.5 to /media |
| 14:59.34 | Jucato | where's the systemmenu.desktop file? |
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| 15:02.23 | PhilRod | McEnroe: make sure the composite extension (for X) is working, and use kompmgr |
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| 15:03.28 | ravermeister | and somehow i can't find it with the command find / -name "Storage*.desktop" |
| 15:04.41 | Jucato | ravermeister: still looking... |
| 15:04.53 | ravermeister | thx you're the best |
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| 15:05.49 | Jucato | try /home/jucato/kde/install/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop |
| 15:05.51 | Jucato | er.. |
| 15:05.58 | Jucato | $KDEDIR/share/apps/systemview |
| 15:06.52 | sredna | Kdepimlibs does not compile |
| 15:06.55 | sredna | :( |
| 15:08.38 | Jucato | ravermeister: did you get that? |
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| 15:09.00 | McEnroe | PhilRod: how do i use kompmgr? |
| 15:09.31 | PhilRod | McEnroe: control center -> desktop ->window behaviour -> translucency |
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| 15:09.40 | ravermeister | moment |
| 15:10.21 | ravermeister | thats it nice |
| 15:10.24 | ravermeister | thanx |
| 15:10.46 | ravermeister | i will write it down know cause it was the second time i was searching for i |
| 15:10.48 | ravermeister | t |
| 15:10.49 | ravermeister | :) |
| 15:11.13 | ravermeister | but the global one is in /usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop |
| 15:11.39 | Jucato | ravermeister: yes... which is why I modified it to say $KDEDIR |
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| 15:12.27 | ravermeister | oh cause i saw this on your post: /home/jucato/kde/install/ |
| 15:12.38 | ravermeister | oh sry |
| 15:12.40 | Jucato | ravermeister: I immediately corrected it |
| 15:12.42 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:12.46 | ravermeister | :) |
| 15:12.56 | ravermeister | i'm blind |
| 15:13.20 | Jucato | no. just overly enthusiastic/excited :P |
| 15:13.39 | ravermeister | right :) |
| 15:15.10 | ravermeister | so thank you, have to reboot. nice people here really :) |
| 15:15.13 | sredna | PhilRod: Gcc complains about a missing file libical_export.h |
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| 15:15.34 | Jucato | annma: a bit of svn help? :( |
| 15:15.49 | annma | yes? |
| 15:16.14 | Jucato | I'm trying to build extragear/utils. but at make -f Makefile.cvs, I get this error: katapult/Makefile.am:1: required directory katapult/doc does not exist |
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| 15:16.43 | Jucato | is there a switch so that it would skip katapult in the meantime? |
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| 15:17.21 | tzanger | good morning |
| 15:17.24 | tzanger | quick question about noatun |
| 15:17.59 | annma | Jucato: weird, I built it |
| 15:18.07 | Jucato | annma: when? |
| 15:18.13 | tzanger | I'm trying to stream an 8kHz mono .wav file (I have a little perl cgi which just takes the .wav and sends it out as an audio/x-wav mimetype, binary transfer attachment |
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| 15:18.16 | tzanger | the file makes it across fine |
| 15:18.40 | tzanger | but noatun garbles it when it streams it. If I take the file and save it to local hdd instead and play that with noatun, it sounds perfect |
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| 15:19.38 | annma | Jucato: doing a make clean and retrying |
| 15:19.53 | annma | Jucato: I'll fix it if it's broken |
| 15:19.56 | Jucato | ok |
| 15:20.13 | Jucato | annma: make clean: make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 15:20.49 | Jucato | annma: thank you!!!!! :) |
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| 15:23.09 | annma | Jucato: make -F works OK for me |
| 15:23.16 | Jucato | :O |
| 15:23.17 | annma | make -f Makefile.cvs |
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| 15:23.44 | Jucato | ok I'll delete everything and svn co again... |
| 15:23.45 | Jucato | :( |
| 15:24.01 | Jucato | just so we're on the same path: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils right? |
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| 15:24.19 | ravermeister | hello, i still have one problem. when the login prompt from kdm appears, and i type my username and password, kde don't starts up, it stands still after |
| 15:24.25 | annma | URL: https://annma@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/utils |
| 15:24.33 | ravermeister | the login prompter disappeared, and then i have to restart x |
| 15:24.41 | ravermeister | with strg+alt+return |
| 15:24.49 | annma | Jucato: besides I have a doc/katapult |
| 15:24.59 | ravermeister | and then when i type username and password again it runs |
| 15:24.59 | annma | Jucato: svn up |
| 15:25.11 | ravermeister | anybody knows the problem? |
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| 15:26.14 | Jucato | annma: hm.. the error was katapult/doc? |
| 15:27.30 | annma | Jucato: let me look the Makefile.am |
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| 15:27.59 | annma | there's an unused doc folder in katapult |
| 15:28.03 | Jucato | SUBDIRS = common plugins katapult doc |
| 15:28.08 | Jucato | heh yeah... |
| 15:28.15 | Jucato | so that's where the setting is :) |
| 15:28.38 | annma | yes let me look further |
| 15:29.08 | annma | it seems my katapult/doc was an old one |
| 15:29.13 | desiced | Hi guys. Does anyone know any tips on speeding up the window manager? my resize is so slow for the spec of my computer. |
| 15:29.23 | Jucato | annma: aaah |
| 15:29.35 | Jucato | annma: my extragear/utils is a fresh svn co |
| 15:29.38 | annma | desiced: what about your driver? |
| 15:29.43 | annma | Jucato: yes |
| 15:29.57 | annma | Jucato: that's why I am looking deeper |
| 15:30.19 | desiced | annma: im using the nvidia binaries, i have DRI enabled... glxgears runs real fast |
| 15:30.19 | Jucato | annma: oh sorry... my curiosity got the better of me... |
| 15:30.45 | annma | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils/katapult/Makefile.am?rev=625435&r1=602771&r2=625435 |
| 15:30.57 | annma | desiced: what nvidia binaries? |
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| 15:31.24 | Jucato | annma: ah I see... I'll ping Mez about it |
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| 15:31.56 | desiced | annma: nvidia version 97.42 |
| 15:32.10 | annma | desiced: from nvidia.org? |
| 15:32.45 | desiced | annma: im on kubuntu so i used the package manager |
| 15:32.58 | annma | ah ah |
| 15:33.00 | annma | bad |
| 15:33.09 | annma | I had that with mandriva |
| 15:33.27 | desiced | annma: you think i should go get the ones from nvidia site? |
| 15:33.29 | Jucato | annma: no problems for me with Kubuntu's nvidia package |
| 15:33.44 | annma | Jucato: depends what card maybe |
| 15:33.49 | Jucato | desiced: the nvidia driver in Kubuntu is 8776 |
| 15:33.54 | Jucato | annma: yeah probably |
| 15:33.58 | annma | gforce go 7400 here |
| 15:34.10 | Jucato | GeForce4 MX 4000 |
| 15:34.33 | Jucato | desiced: if you have a 9742 driver, then you didn't get it from the official Kubuntu repository |
| 15:34.38 | annma | Jucato: mmeredith is Mez? |
| 15:34.42 | Jucato | annma: yep |
| 15:34.54 | annma | Jucato: ok then he messed it |
| 15:35.10 | Jucato | heh I didn't know he went by that name in kde svn :P |
| 15:35.14 | annma | Jucato: i prefer you speak to him |
| 15:35.16 | desiced | Jucato: no, i didn't go official because i wanted to get beryl running... but then i switched back to kde window manager |
| 15:35.32 | desiced | so i guess that is my problem eh? :) |
| 15:35.33 | Jucato | annma: should I edit Makefile.am or make a dummy doc/ directory? |
| 15:35.51 | Jucato | desiced: probably... were you able to successfuly get XGL/Beryl running? |
| 15:36.13 | desiced | Jucato: yup i got that running, although resizing in that is lame too |
| 15:36.34 | Jucato | annma: last I heard, he's still trying to update katapult in svn from Ubuntu's bzr |
| 15:36.44 | Jucato | desiced: might be a driver problem then... |
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| 15:37.00 | desiced | Jucato: i didn't use XGL tho, i used nvidias direct method |
| 15:37.15 | desiced | ok thanks guys, i'll check that out |
| 15:37.20 | Jucato | desiced: Kubuntu Edgy has AIGLX enabled by default |
| 15:37.57 | desiced | ohh ok |
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| 15:38.53 | desiced | Jucato: i thought beryl used AIGLX or direct, but couldn't they were mutually exclusive? |
| 15:39.10 | desiced | but they* |
| 15:39.41 | Jucato | desiced: not really sure.. I'm not familiar with that technology yet... you might want to ask in #ubuntu-xgl |
| 15:39.55 | desiced | Jucato: cool thanks for your help! |
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| 15:50.08 | tzanger | hmm seems to be a noatun problem |
| 15:50.15 | tzanger | wmp and soundrec both pullit up just fine on win32 |
| 15:50.37 | tzanger | however winamp doesn't (presumably because it is looking for a shoutcast stream when you use open location) |
| 15:50.43 | tzanger | and media player classic on win32 also works |
| 15:51.53 | tzanger | that, and mplayer http://url also works fine under arts and kde |
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| 15:52.01 | tzanger | so chalk one up to a noatun bug :-) |
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| 16:05.11 | annma | Jucato: ok I can replicate the built error |
| 16:05.21 | annma | Jucato: I'm gonna fix it maybe |
| 16:06.16 | Jucato | annma: in the meantime, I edited katapult's Makefile.am... |
| 16:06.40 | annma | ;) yes |
| 16:07.20 | Jucato | I'm going to poke Mez about this when I wake up... but left a message in #katapult |
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| 16:09.09 | annma | tell him i fixed it but probably he committed the wrong thing |
| 16:09.24 | annma | the message log speaks about amarokapp |
| 16:09.44 | Jucato | annma: there's a bot in #katapult :) |
| 16:09.46 | Jucato | <CIA-16> KDE commit: annma * r625917 katapult/trunk/extragear/utils/katapult/Makefile.am: |
| 16:09.53 | Jucato | <CIA-16> Fix compilation: the /doc dir is not in katapult |
| 16:09.58 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.06 | annma | :) |
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| 16:12.43 | sredna | The cmake build system is not really working yet. Even though I did run cmake after updating, I had to force rebuild of some tagtets |
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| 16:25.04 | Jucato | annma: thanks once again. |
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| 16:26.48 | dv__ | hi |
| 16:26.57 | dv__ | is there a way to disable launch feedback completely? |
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| 16:28.06 | dv__ | hold on - the option does work, it just took a while. |
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| 16:31.56 | guaxinim | :) |
| 16:31.59 | anisfarhana | greetings |
| 16:32.06 | anisfarhana | i have a problem with kbluetoothd here |
| 16:32.13 | anisfarhana | kbluetoothd: error while loading shared libraries: libbluetooth.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:32.31 | anisfarhana | that is what i got when execute "kbluetoothd" on terminal |
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| 16:34.25 | eNTi | hi. where can i find the menu entries for kcontrol? |
| 16:34.39 | eNTi | i've got GTK fonts and styles twice in the menu and want to get rid of the 2nd instance. |
| 16:35.24 | PhilRod | anisfarhana: that means you need to make sure that libbluetooth is installed correctly |
| 16:35.52 | PhilRod | eNTi: ~/.config or ~/.local, I think |
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| 16:36.45 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: any documentation regarding to it sir ? |
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| 16:37.09 | PhilRod | dunno. It'll be distro-specific, though |
| 16:37.22 | PhilRod | so just use your distro tools to install libbluetooth |
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| 16:41.02 | anisfarhana | PhilRod: i will try thanks |
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| 16:50.15 | Maxi` | hey |
| 16:50.17 | Maxi` | question: |
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| 16:50.43 | Maxi` | how can I add a menu to the taskbar like the "startmenu" which is already there (this K-Button) but with own applications of my choise? |
| 16:50.56 | Maxi` | I do not want to edit the startmenu itself since its good as it is |
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| 16:51.16 | Maxi` | but I wanna add another button with 20 apps that I am usally used to use |
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| 16:55.30 | novica | Maxi`: I have a quick browser applet that displays most oftens used apps. i've seth the path for the quick browser to .apps folder where i've put links to the apps |
| 16:56.38 | Maxi` | novica, can't I make a menu like the K-Menu myself? |
| 16:57.56 | Sven | you could just create an own folder somewhere in the K-Menu |
| 16:57.57 | Sven | and then add that folder to the taskbar |
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| 16:58.52 | annma | Maxi`: you don't want to use KMenuEdit? |
| 16:59.06 | annma | Maxi`: it only adds things locally |
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| 16:59.55 | Maxi` | annma, if I'd use the K menu editor, it would alter the K menu |
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| 17:00.04 | Maxi` | but I want to get an addition menu like this |
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| 17:01.20 | novica | Maxi`: you can do that with the quick browser applet. it won't look the same as the kmenu, but you'll be close enough |
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| 17:01.39 | Sven | use KMenuEdit and create a subfolder anywhere in the KMenu, where you don't care about it. The rightclick Add Application To Panel -> (go to folder) -> Add This Menu |
| 17:01.48 | Maxi` | novica, how to do this please? |
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| 17:03.17 | novica | create a folder where you will keep links to your favourite apps, then right click on the panel, selec add aplet, and add quick browser. it will ask for the path and you can select a custom icon. that's all. |
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| 17:09.57 | cpilka | hi folks. where to set up key combinations for 'switch to next desktop' and 'switch to previous desktop'? |
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| 17:10.50 | Sven | Control Center --> Regional & ... -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 17:10.52 | sredna | cpilka: Try the control center, regional & accessability, shortcuts |
| 17:10.59 | sredna | :\ |
| 17:12.28 | cpilka | sredna: thx |
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| 17:28.20 | anisfarhana | i think http://bluetooth.kmobiletools.org/ is down at the moment |
| 17:28.33 | jhutchins | Are there any issues with kio_fish right now? |
| 17:28.41 | guaxinim | im having some problems with kicker here |
| 17:28.50 | jhutchins | It used to work, now I can't seem to connect, konq and ff want to convert it to HTTP. |
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| 17:29.02 | troy | fish won't work in ff anyway |
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| 17:29.21 | gesslar | anisfarhana: i think you're right |
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| 17:30.18 | Balsamic_Chicken | hey guys, anyone know a solution to the problem here? http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg139467.html |
| 17:31.22 | Balsamic_Chicken | i wanna use kxdocker, but when i installed it, i can't start it, error msg are identical to the one in the ling |
| 17:31.23 | Balsamic_Chicken | link* |
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| 17:38.20 | cpilka | hm, i'm confused. i've set new key combination for 'walk through desktops' and 'walk throug desktops (reverse)' but now the desktop list appears during desktop switching is absolutely unordered. desk 1,10,6,8,... anyone here has a hint whats going wrong? |
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| 17:43.02 | ReTyPe | is kde 3.5.6 out ?? http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=03982#0 |
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| 17:43.38 | Balsamic_Chicken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.21 | Desintegr | ReTyPe: not official |
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| 17:46.08 | Sho_ | ReTyPe: It's available to distro packagers; the target for the official release is the 23rd |
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| 17:47.22 | ReTyPe | ok, thx, that makes sense |
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| 17:49.40 | Falladir | is it possible to customize the behavior of text selection via mouseclicking in KDE? |
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| 17:51.24 | ReTyPe | anyone heard/read of ubuntu-studio ( http://ubuntustudio.org/ ) ?? to bad it will be gnome-based ( and not KDE ), but i like the idea very much |
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| 17:52.12 | Faust-C | Renze: what ver is your kde ? |
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| 17:52.27 | pierreth | I cannot start gvim on KDE |
| 17:52.40 | pierreth | I have errors |
| 17:52.48 | Faust-C | what are the erros |
| 17:53.00 | pierreth | Faust-C: can you look in the paste bin? |
| 17:53.09 | Faust-C | sure where isthe link |
| 17:54.06 | pierreth | Faust-C: http://rafb.net/p/KGh7aa79.html |
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| 17:55.18 | Faust-C | have you looked at the file thats its pointing to |
| 17:55.19 | Faust-C | > |
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| 17:56.31 | pierreth | Faust-C: yes, but I don't understand |
| 17:57.06 | Faust-C | look for where "usr" is defined |
| 17:57.10 | Faust-C | and then go from there |
| 17:57.27 | pierreth | Faust-C: How can I find that? |
| 17:57.42 | Faust-C | less <file> | grep usr |
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| 17:57.49 | Faust-C | or use kate |
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| 17:58.45 | pierreth | Faust-C: OK, this is line 1024 |
| 17:58.57 | pierreth | Faust-C: do you want to see it? |
| 17:59.26 | Faust-C | yeah |
| 17:59.46 | Faust-C | and i haev alot of fonts installed btw |
| 17:59.54 | Faust-C | so ive had no issues w/ gvim and lde |
| 17:59.56 | Faust-C | ked* |
| 17:59.57 | pierreth | Faust-C: http://rafb.net/p/tFf6vN79.html |
| 17:59.59 | Faust-C | dammit |
| 18:00.00 | Faust-C | lol |
| 18:00.27 | pierreth | Faust-C: I have a lot of fonts |
| 18:00.40 | pierreth | Faust-C: I just the right one for that |
| 18:00.42 | Faust-C | now that i have no idea |
| 18:00.48 | Faust-C | hmm |
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| 18:00.54 | Faust-C | what distro are you on |
| 18:00.59 | pierreth | PCBSD |
| 18:01.05 | Faust-C | ah i see |
| 18:01.11 | Faust-C | well idk w/ that |
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| 18:01.26 | Faust-C | maybe see if changing fonts in the Kontrol center will help |
| 18:01.28 | vbgunz | One thing I miss with Gnomes file browser is, in the status bar, I can quickly tell how much free space I have on the current disk... Does Konqueror support something like this? Everytime I want to check I go to media:// and right click the disk I want to check and usually have to wait awhile to see freespace... Any help is useful :) |
| 18:01.54 | Faust-C | vbgunz: do you haev a really small hdd or something |
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| 18:02.03 | Faust-C | im using a 6 gig and dont worry about space |
| 18:02.04 | vbgunz | yup, 80GB |
| 18:02.10 | Faust-C | im 6 gig |
| 18:02.14 | pierreth | What's the meaning of idk w/ ? |
| 18:02.24 | Faust-C | idk = i dont know and w/ = with |
| 18:02.31 | jhutchins | Got it, I was terminating the URL rsync style. |
| 18:02.33 | pierreth | OK |
| 18:02.43 | pierreth | thank you for trying |
| 18:03.01 | Faust-C | np |
| 18:03.10 | Faust-C | just google or go to your disro channel |
| 18:03.11 | pierreth | i will the mailing list |
| 18:03.22 | Faust-C | i dont believe it incvoles kde |
| 18:03.33 | Faust-C | pierreth: doesnt pcbsd have a airc channel ? |
| 18:03.57 | pierreth | Faust-C: yes, there are not a lot of people like kde |
| 18:04.12 | Faust-C | but pcbsd uses kde as the defualt |
| 18:04.17 | Faust-C | i know cause i used it |
| 18:04.19 | pierreth | yes |
| 18:04.29 | Faust-C | so how can they use pcbsd but not kde |
| 18:04.32 | pierreth | vim as an airc too |
| 18:05.10 | pierreth | Faust-C: I guess you can use gnome too |
| 18:05.11 | gesslar | vbgunz: i know what you mean about that missing info, i'm always df -h'ing |
| 18:05.22 | Faust-C | pierreth: bah gnome hell no |
| 18:05.41 | Faust-C | gesslar: i havea bash alias |
| 18:05.52 | gesslar | not me |
| 18:05.56 | gesslar | i should |
| 18:06.08 | Faust-C | alias spaceuseage='df -h' |
| 18:06.10 | gesslar | oops, i guess my df is already aliased to df -h |
| 18:06.21 | gesslar | oh, i think df is easier to type than spaceusage |
| 18:06.21 | gesslar | :D |
| 18:06.24 | pierreth | I will try the package of my distribution |
| 18:06.30 | Faust-C | no tab completion |
| 18:06.39 | Faust-C | sp tab |
| 18:06.41 | vbgunz | gesslar: you're awesome for that |
| 18:06.42 | Faust-C | and its there |
| 18:06.55 | vbgunz | gesslar: -h human readable is perfect, thanks :) |
| 18:07.00 | Faust-C | but i seem to be the only one who values bash anyways |
| 18:07.05 | gesslar | vbgunz: no problem! |
| 18:07.38 | gesslar | Faust-C: df are two keys right beside each other sp uses left hand, right hand, left hand how is that easier? |
| 18:07.51 | Faust-C | cause i actually know how to tyoe |
| 18:07.56 | Faust-C | cant spell |
| 18:07.59 | Faust-C | but i can type |
| 18:08.10 | gesslar | how is that relevant? |
| 18:08.15 | Faust-C | nvm |
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| 18:08.27 | Faust-C | you seem to be fully aware of your ignorance.... |
| 18:08.30 | Faust-C | bbiab |
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| 18:08.38 | gesslar | goodness |
| 18:08.45 | vbgunz | is there anyway *not* to show varrun, varlock, etc? those are cluttering up what I really want to see :| |
| 18:10.11 | vbgunz | I tried --exclude-type=udev as an example but that still shows up... anyhow, this is the fastest way to see the free space for me |
| 18:10.14 | pierreth | gvim is now working |
| 18:10.14 | gesslar | i guess you could make an alias to something that shouldn't change. example, all my partitions are on hdb so i could: alias fs='df -j | grep hdb' |
| 18:10.31 | gesslar | fs being for 'freespace' |
| 18:11.13 | JohnFlux | or grep -v /var |
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| 18:11.35 | vbgunz | gesslar: one question. When I create an alias, it will only last as long as the session correct? in other words, when I reboot the system, it is no longer aliased. I would have to add this in a script to my startup/ |
| 18:11.38 | hacosta | where can i see a changelog of kde 3.5.6? |
| 18:12.03 | hacosta | vbgunz: put it in your ~/.bashrc |
| 18:12.05 | gesslar | vbgunz: i keep my aliases in my ~/.profile |
| 18:12.16 | gesslar | ~/.bashrc is a good place, too |
| 18:12.25 | apt | ...but /.bashrc is already something else... |
| 18:12.43 | vbgunz | I never used it but heard of it, you guys are awesome! |
| 18:12.44 | hacosta | what do you mean with something else |
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| 18:14.43 | vbgunz | wow, I really got to get to learning the whole piping thing with grep... I got it working and thats just awesome! |
| 18:15.26 | gesslar | vbgunz: i only know to do easy stuff with grep :) |
| 18:15.27 | JohnFlux | :-) |
| 18:15.39 | vbgunz | gesslar: yeah I think I understand, still though, it has an awesome factor ;) |
| 18:15.57 | gesslar | vbgunz: i saw this really good article on using bash, would you care to see it? |
| 18:16.17 | vbgunz | of course, I never mind reading up on stuff like that |
| 18:16.22 | gesslar | it's not complicated |
| 18:16.54 | gesslar | i guess it's not really a "bash" thing so much as a "learn 10 good unix habits" thing |
| 18:17.02 | gesslar | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html |
| 18:17.24 | gesslar | i learned about xargs that way |
| 18:17.43 | vbgunz | I have a question. I learned to use regex in Python and when I wish to select something I would use grouping and the or operator e.g. (sde|sda|hda) ... but on several occasions, I would always get this error: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `sde' |
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| 18:18.09 | vbgunz | gesslar: yeah, I read that, my favorite *but* still hard to even novice is the mkdir -p command |
| 18:18.26 | vbgunz | sometimes I have it just right and sometimes I just don't |
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| 18:18.42 | gesslar | lol, is that the one that makes a subtree? |
| 18:18.53 | gesslar | i use 'install -d' |
| 18:18.54 | vbgunz | yeah :) |
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| 18:21.54 | vbgunz | ahh, the best way to list my disk only was to do df -h | grep ^/ |
| 18:22.06 | gesslar | nice |
| 18:22.42 | vbgunz | I have several usb disk I like to also keep track of. gesslar, that was very great advice, another command for the arsenal :) |
| 18:23.00 | wolsni | i believe df takes as an argument the filesystem to list |
| 18:23.09 | wolsni | ie, 'df -h /' |
| 18:23.21 | JohnFlux | or dh -sh /* i think |
| 18:23.33 | gesslar | goodness |
| 18:23.38 | vbgunz | wolsni: I wanted to also list my usb disk though |
| 18:23.43 | gesslar | some things get reported several times |
| 18:23.46 | wolsni | ah |
| 18:23.51 | wolsni | it takes a list of files |
| 18:23.51 | vbgunz | they are sde*, sda* |
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| 18:24.03 | wolsni | and then lists the usage of the filesystem containing each file |
| 18:24.11 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: df -sh /* 2> /dev/null |
| 18:24.47 | vbgunz | JohnFlux: whats the s option? |
| 18:24.51 | gesslar | JohnFlux: that gives me nothing at all |
| 18:24.54 | JohnFlux | sumarise |
| 18:25.04 | JohnFlux | gesslar: there's no space between 2 and > |
| 18:25.17 | JohnFlux | gesslar: try just; df -sh /* |
| 18:25.28 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: i means only give the total and not the subdirectories |
| 18:25.38 | gesslar | JohnFlux: df: invalid option -- s |
| 18:25.38 | wolsni | gesslar: that's because the -s option doesn't exist and you redirected errors to /dev/null |
| 18:25.46 | wolsni | JohnFlux: you're confused with du |
| 18:25.47 | JohnFlux | opps |
| 18:25.50 | gesslar | rofl |
| 18:25.53 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: du -sh /* 2> /dev/null |
| 18:25.54 | JohnFlux | hehe |
| 18:26.18 | gesslar | wow |
| 18:26.48 | vbgunz | why whats that? |
| 18:26.57 | gesslar | because it's certainly not instant-gratification |
| 18:26.59 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: it just takes a while |
| 18:27.14 | JohnFlux | you can ctrl-c of course though |
| 18:27.16 | gesslar | but that would be a good cron run |
| 18:27.25 | JohnFlux | heh |
| 18:27.30 | hydrogen | gogo filelight. |
| 18:27.37 | gesslar | gogo helicopter |
| 18:27.40 | vbgunz | I don't understand it at 2> /dev/null |
| 18:27.43 | wolsni | what would be the point of running du with cron? |
| 18:27.50 | hacosta | is there a way to change the timeout value of konqueror? |
| 18:27.52 | gesslar | 2>/dev/null means route all erors to /dev/null |
| 18:27.54 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: 2> means redirect stderr |
| 18:28.02 | vbgunz | oh |
| 18:28.06 | transgress | is there anything i can do to remove myself from my contact list that will get kopete to shut up when i start? |
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| 18:28.12 | transgress | or even just turn that notification off? |
| 18:28.14 | sredna | hacosta: Yes. |
| 18:28.21 | gesslar | whereas, i would like to 2>myex |
| 18:28.22 | hacosta | how? |
| 18:28.22 | JohnFlux | transgress: #kopete maybe |
| 18:28.23 | vbgunz | > redirects to file ... all output? and 2> redirects stderr? |
| 18:28.31 | vbgunz | heh |
| 18:28.39 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: right |
| 18:28.51 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: so you redirect stderr to /dev/null |
| 18:28.52 | vbgunz | so I can chain it ? > file 2> errlog? |
| 18:28.54 | hacosta | > redirects stdout, 2> redirects stderr. &> redirects both |
| 18:28.55 | JohnFlux | which just eats the data |
| 18:29.00 | JohnFlux | vbgunz: yep |
| 18:29.04 | vbgunz | heh |
| 18:29.12 | vbgunz | wow, I am about to bust a gut |
| 18:29.19 | sredna | Try '#bash' in the kde prompt or in konqueror ;) |
| 18:29.28 | JohnFlux | you can do 2&1> i think to merge the streams |
| 18:29.41 | gesslar | wow, i didn't know about # |
| 18:30.01 | hacosta | i tought he would join the channel |
| 18:30.04 | hacosta | ): |
| 18:30.06 | vbgunz | #bash in Konsole didn't do anything |
| 18:30.10 | vbgunz | oh |
| 18:30.12 | vbgunz | haha |
| 18:30.14 | JohnFlux | # means comment |
| 18:30.22 | gesslar | #no |
| 18:30.27 | vbgunz | //join #bash? |
| 18:30.36 | gesslar | nono |
| 18:30.37 | sredna | Try '#bash' in the kde prompt or in konqueror ;) |
| 18:30.47 | gesslar | do Alt-F2 |
| 18:30.52 | JohnFlux | what's a kde prompt? |
| 18:30.54 | vbgunz | oh |
| 18:30.56 | hydrogen | try /join #bash in irc. |
| 18:30.59 | JohnFlux | ah |
| 18:31.01 | vbgunz | Alt+F2? |
| 18:31.04 | gesslar | yes |
| 18:31.05 | JohnFlux | brings up the man page - neat |
| 18:31.08 | vbgunz | I got it in Konqueror |
| 18:31.11 | gesslar | right |
| 18:31.12 | sredna | JohnFlux: A prompt is a place where you can type a command |
| 18:31.21 | gesslar | it brings up the man page |
| 18:31.26 | JohnFlux | hmm |
| 18:31.33 | JohnFlux | i should add that to katapult |
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| 18:32.08 | vbgunz | thats a sweet trick in Konqueror |
| 18:32.27 | hacosta | so anyone knows how to change the timeout value in konq? |
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| 18:32.42 | sredna | JohnFlux: The kde prompt can do a lot of funny things, try for example a simple calculation, like "(3*6456)/4" |
| 18:32.52 | JohnFlux | yeah that works in katapult too |
| 18:32.55 | gesslar | it can also: imdb:Brad Pitt |
| 18:32.59 | gesslar | :D |
| 18:33.02 | JohnFlux | :-) |
| 18:33.03 | gesslar | if you were so inclined |
| 18:33.11 | JohnFlux | gesslar: in Japan they call him "brapi" :-) |
| 18:33.11 | hacosta | it doesnt work with doubles, though |
| 18:33.15 | gesslar | brap! |
| 18:33.28 | vbgunz | gesslar: wouldn't that crash your box? |
| 18:33.37 | wolsni | hacosta: actually, recent versions do |
| 18:33.41 | gesslar | vbgunz: that is just filled with double-entendres |
| 18:34.06 | hacosta | wolsni: oh, never noticed that i tried it a long time ago |
| 18:34.25 | JohnFlux | speaking of such features |
| 18:34.39 | JohnFlux | you know you can associate konversation irc nicks to your address book contacts |
| 18:34.46 | vbgunz | hmm, I remember coming across a wabbit... being new on Linux it was sort of like the first days on AOL in 95. Anyhow, I sent to a friend who was new on Linux too and he ran it, I saw him log out and back in 5 minutes later, he almost cried :) |
| 18:35.28 | JohnFlux | so you can tie kmail, kaddressbook, kopete and konversation nicks together |
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| 18:35.43 | wolsni | hacosta: look in kcontrol -> Internet and Network |
| 18:35.53 | gesslar | vbgunz: what is wabbit |
| 18:35.59 | JohnFlux | then if you have katapult running, do alt+space johnflux <enter> then it enters a chat with that person ;-) |
| 18:36.00 | gesslar | i've never heard of wabbit |
| 18:36.09 | gesslar | i don't know how to use katapult |
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| 18:36.24 | gesslar | i'm so pathetic, i ran it, it showed me a logo and i have no idea what to do with it |
| 18:36.28 | vbgunz | gesslar: a very small pice of code something like e.g. *(%$ and if you run it, it crashes your system |
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| 18:36.42 | sredna | JohnFlux: You can store nicks in kaddressbook, but I don't know if it can use them |
| 18:36.52 | vbgunz | gesslar: when katapult shows up, start typing the name of your app and it will select it for launch |
| 18:37.13 | JohnFlux | sredna: well kaddressbook doesn't use it, but kmail will use that information for example |
| 18:37.16 | gesslar | hmm |
| 18:37.24 | JohnFlux | so if you get an email from that person, it shows if that person is online in kopete or konversation |
| 18:37.26 | Balsamic_Chicken | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.27 | gesslar | i think i broke it |
| 18:37.43 | vbgunz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabbit |
| 18:37.45 | JohnFlux | then from kmail you can click the online icon and start a /msg or chat with them ;-) |
| 18:37.49 | sredna | JohnFlux: And kopete has an option to link its contacts to kabc ones |
| 18:37.54 | JohnFlux | right |
| 18:38.23 | JohnFlux | katapult will automatically use that and show whether the person is online etc |
| 18:38.27 | hacosta | wolsni: thanks |
| 18:38.35 | gesslar | vbgunz: neat |
| 18:39.02 | gesslar | katapult told me to press alt-space but my alt-space is already set to show the system menu of windows |
| 18:39.04 | gesslar | hmm |
| 18:39.06 | vbgunz | that link doesn't actually show any wabbits but I remember finding some examples in wikipedia... |
| 18:39.25 | gesslar | i guess i have to work around that |
| 18:39.32 | wolsni | gesslar: katapult should have a systray icon you can use to change settings |
| 18:39.41 | gesslar | i see no system tray for it |
| 18:39.55 | gesslar | i see klipper, konversation and kopete |
| 18:39.56 | wolsni | vbgunz: check out the page for fork bomb, that had one in bash last I looked |
| 18:40.10 | vbgunz | yeah, thats it, fork bomb, aka wabbit |
| 18:40.30 | vbgunz | wolsni: you hit it on the head ;) |
| 18:40.37 | vbgunz | gesslar: search for fork bomb |
| 18:40.43 | gesslar | i found it at the page you gave me |
| 18:40.55 | gesslar | there's a link to that there |
| 18:41.03 | vbgunz | heh |
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| 18:42.59 | gesslar | katapult is freaking sexy |
| 18:43.12 | gesslar | still no icon, though |
| 18:43.23 | gesslar | hmm, how do i change it from alt-space |
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| 18:44.32 | vbgunz | I wish I can help, I rarely use it :| |
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| 18:45.56 | verve | hi |
| 18:46.03 | verve | i was wondering, is there an option somewhere in Konversation regarding SSL connections? |
| 18:46.07 | verve | to accept invalid certificates? |
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| 18:47.32 | gesslar | vbgunz: it's ok, i have my run prompt set to win-r and i use it religiously |
| 18:48.29 | gesslar | verve: i only come up with one link that mentions both konversation and ssl |
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| 18:48.47 | gesslar | verve: so i'm going to bet it's not there. |
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| 18:49.15 | gesslar | wolsni: i use the run dialog, but i think katapult is way sexier. katapult didn't find "kwrite" though...odd |
| 18:50.06 | verve | boo =\ |
| 18:50.17 | gesslar | :( |
| 18:50.25 | verve | i'm diggin' Konversation, just need to fix this up |
| 18:50.28 | Kyral | whee 3.5.6 |
| 18:50.35 | verve | when i try to connect, it pops up the KDE Crypto config |
| 18:50.41 | verve | must be in there somewhere |
| 18:50.42 | verve | just dunno where |
| 18:50.45 | gesslar | hmm |
| 18:51.04 | Kyral | Oh I already asked this in #archlinux, but anyone know how to change the mount options used when things are automounted in KDE? |
| 18:51.22 | gesslar | verve: i'm not familiar with that dialog box |
| 18:51.31 | gesslar | verve: do you have a screenshot? |
| 18:51.44 | gesslar | verve: what distro are you using? |
| 18:52.20 | Kyral | (Need to remove the "noexec" option) |
| 18:52.30 | verve | i found it in the KDE menu before, hold on |
| 18:52.46 | gesslar | Kyral: you can remove it form /etc/fstab |
| 18:52.58 | gesslar | Kyral: kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab |
| 18:52.58 | Kyral | gesslar: It isn't in /etc/fstab |
| 18:53.02 | wolsni | verve: do you get it if you type "kcmshell crypto" in the run dialog? |
| 18:53.02 | gesslar | oh |
| 18:53.09 | Kyral | its being mounted on the fly by KDE and HAL |
| 18:53.41 | gesslar | Kyral: i'm sorry, i haven't figured out that part, yet |
| 18:54.02 | Kyral | oy... |
| 18:54.07 | gesslar | hmm |
| 18:54.07 | Kyral | I'm lazy lol |
| 18:55.07 | Kyral | I need to remove noexec so I can compile from it |
| 18:55.33 | Kyral | (My CompSci homework is on it and I don't feel like constantly copying back and forth) |
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| 18:57.01 | verve | wolsni, yep, that's the one |
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| 18:59.22 | Kyral | w00t one thing from KDE4 built successfully last night |
| 18:59.25 | Kyral | qt-copy |
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| 19:05.14 | wolsni | ?? |
| 19:05.43 | verve | [13:53] <wolsni> verve: do you get it if you type "kcmshell crypto" in the run dialog? |
| 19:05.47 | verve | [13:57] <verve> wolsni, yep, that's the one |
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| 19:10.56 | wolsni | verve: i don't see anywhere in that dialog to allow invalid certificates, sorry |
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| 19:12.08 | verve | shitty =\ |
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| 19:14.26 | vbgunz | anyone know why Konqueror has a problem renaming folders on an external usb fat32 hard drive? e.g., I cannot rename a folder to all uppercase. if I rename the folder something else in all uppercase, the name changes *but* in all lowercase... anyone know why? |
| 19:14.46 | vbgunz | this happens with files too :( |
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| 19:15.02 | illogic-al | utf-8 |
| 19:15.17 | illogic-al | the encoding for the fs is in utf-8 |
| 19:15.34 | illogic-al | or something like that |
| 19:15.54 | vbgunz | illogic-al: I have several folders and files in there all in uppercase. why can I not create a file in all uppercase there? |
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| 19:16.06 | illogic-al | vbgunz: it's not a konqueror problem, it will happen whether you renasme the file on the CL or not. |
| 19:16.08 | vbgunz | I don't understand utf-8 but is there a way to change it? |
| 19:16.54 | illogic-al | vbgunz: i think if you create the file in uppercase first, it will remane uppercase. if you create it in lowercase then rename it to uppercase, it stays lowercase. |
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| 19:17.47 | vbgunz | illogic-al: I just tried renaming it in Nautilus, and I renamed it without a problem... I am trying to do some cleaning up and soon hope to completely remove Gnome *but* little tiny things like this irk me :( |
| 19:18.10 | evilgeek | hm. i appear to have some kind of font problem. no text appears in any KDE menus or buttons; text disappears from the items in the menubar at the top of konsole when i move my mouse over them, and so forth. how do i fix this? |
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| 19:18.51 | illogic-al | vbgunz: what is the path to the directory? |
| 19:18.54 | vbgunz | heh, although the change appears to have happened in Nautilus, rechecking it in Konqueror shows it is still in lowercase... |
| 19:19.09 | LiquidNerd_ | evilgeek: are you running a beta version of KDE? |
| 19:19.13 | weyer | hi, is there a way to disable the little popups when hovering over the taskbar, describing the programs? |
| 19:19.15 | vbgunz | closing them both out and rechecking in Nautilus still shows it in lowercase |
| 19:19.44 | vbgunz | illogic-al: /media/usb0 |
| 19:19.45 | illogic-al | vbgunz: i don't think it's in uppercase at all. i think nautilus is just showing it to you that way. |
| 19:19.45 | LiquidNerd_ | weyer: yes |
| 19:19.45 | vbgunz | illogic-al: yup, I think so too :( |
| 19:19.48 | evilgeek | LiquidNerd_: i have no clue. i'm running something that either is in debian or was in debian recently. |
| 19:20.00 | illogic-al | vbgunz: in a terminal type 'ls /media/usb0' and see if it is really uppercase |
| 19:20.20 | weyer | LiquiNerd_ : any tips on how? can't find anything for it in kcontrol it seems |
| 19:20.28 | vbgunz | illogic-al: nope :( |
| 19:20.39 | wolsni | weyer: right click panel, choose "configure panel", appearance section, uncheck 'enable icon mouseover effects' |
| 19:20.46 | vbgunz | my fstab is probably all wrong :( |
| 19:20.47 | LiquidNerd_ | heh.. what he said |
| 19:21.29 | weyer | wolsni: thnx, didn't see that (was looking at taskbar settings) |
| 19:21.45 | illogic-al | vbgunz: i think you need to append an nls=something to get it to respect the uppercase filenaes |
| 19:21.51 | illogic-al | but i don't know what it is. |
| 19:21.59 | illogic-al | vbgunz: may google be thy guide. |
| 19:23.21 | vbgunz | I have a general linux installation question. I wish to install Kubuntu onto a fresh disk. Should I remove all external devices prior to installation? usb sticks, usb drives, printers, etc and plug them all in once Linux is up and running or should I leave them all plugged in during installation? |
| 19:23.46 | illogic-al | shouldn't matter. |
| 19:24.10 | vbgunz | thats what I think but at the same time think my fstab is not getting setup correctly :( |
| 19:24.12 | vbgunz | I thought I ask |
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| 19:31.37 | evilgeek | LiquidNerd_: do you happen to know what's causing my font problems? |
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| 19:35.54 | LiquidNerd_ | evilgeek: unfortunately not.. The only time I had the same problem was when I was running a beta version of everything and caused my KDE to blow up.. had to reinstall |
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| 19:47.08 | Aardwolf | Hey, quickshow used to display alpha channels of png images, but it doesn't anymore now... :( |
| 19:47.10 | Aardwolf | Is this a bug? |
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| 19:53.54 | Aardwolf | and also disappointing is that it doesn't show animated gifs :( |
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| 19:58.18 | vbgunz | anybody know why Konqueror doesn't show me any dialog boxes for moving, copying, deleting files/folders? |
| 19:58.47 | vbgunz | how do I enable it? I must have turned it off or something. I looked in Konqueror preferences and see nothing remotely close to getting these dialog boxes back :( |
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| 20:09.01 | sredna | vbgunz: There is a plugin providing context menus for move/copy to |
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| 20:10.19 | vbgunz | sredna: not sure how the plugin page helps :( |
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| 20:10.47 | sredna | vbgunz: Not, you just need to install it |
| 20:10.56 | sredna | It is in the kdeaddons package iirc |
| 20:11.04 | vbgunz | I am talking about the dialog box that is supposed to show up when I move a huge file or delete a huge file... that dialog box doesn't show up :( |
| 20:11.29 | sredna | vbgunz: The progress dialog? |
| 20:11.34 | vbgunz | yeah, exactly |
| 20:12.10 | vbgunz | I don't have that, I probably turned it off at some point with not idea how to turn it back on... when I move a huge file, Konqueror feels slow without knowing whats happening :( |
| 20:12.18 | sredna | I'm not sure where that information is stored or changed |
| 20:12.28 | vbgunz | sredna: niether do I know :( |
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| 20:16.17 | Dr_willis | hmm.. never seen a way to disalbe the progress dialog. |
| 20:16.56 | Dr_willis | try a new user - see if they have the same issue? if not. time to backup your .kde dir. and start.. err... looking. :) |
| 20:18.22 | Balsamic_Chicken | where do i go for questions about vmware, what it is, how to install, etc, thx. |
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| 20:19.10 | Dr_willis | vmware homepage/forums perhaps. |
| 20:19.18 | Dr_willis | since you are asking 'what it is' :) |
| 20:19.34 | Dr_willis | #vmware may or may not be there |
| 20:22.19 | PhilRod | GIYF |
| 20:24.27 | sredna | Dr_willis: Isn't there a checkbox on them? |
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| 20:28.36 | Trent | While attempting to compile a theme (panel basically) for KDE, I got an error: "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" What can I do to fix this problem? |
| 20:28.41 | sredna | Hm, no |
| 20:29.03 | sredna | Trent: Instass the xorg development package for your OS |
| 20:29.07 | sredna | Install |
| 20:29.21 | Trent | sredna, What might the package be named? |
| 20:29.53 | sredna | Trent: Uhm, what is your OS? |
| 20:30.05 | Trent | sredna, I use fedora. |
| 20:30.22 | Trent | (yum would be the package manager) |
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| 20:30.38 | sredna | Trent: Ask in #fedora maybe :) |
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| 20:31.00 | Trent | sredna, Yeah. Thanks, I am. =] |
| 20:32.07 | sredna | Trent: On my system, it is named xorg-dev |
| 20:32.08 | pusling | sredna: you are a kate guy, right ? A debian user has reported that kate is too slow when editing 2,7mb files with some kinds of syntax hilighting. Is it a bug I should send to you/kate/kde bugzilla - or just close with "you need a faster machine" ? |
| 20:32.08 | sredna | Hej pusling ;) |
| 20:32.08 | pusling | hej sredna ;) |
| 20:32.08 | Trent | sredna, Let's say there is several (or at least i'm told) and I have a list of all of them. I don't know which to install. |
| 20:33.09 | annma | pusling: does it have the file attached? |
| 20:33.16 | sredna | Uhm, I think kate does need time to parse a 2.7mb file for highlighting it, and depending on the syntax in question that may feel slow |
| 20:33.32 | pusling | annma: no. but he offers to send a sample file. |
| 20:33.53 | annma | pusling: maybe that would be great to open a kde bug for that one then |
| 20:34.06 | annma | sredna: what do you think? |
| 20:34.06 | sredna | pusling: A link to the bug report? |
| 20:34.15 | pusling | sredna: yes. |
| 20:34.24 | pusling | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360081 |
| 20:35.28 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.36 | sredna | pusling: I believe that kate is to some degree vounderable when you have very long lines |
| 20:36.54 | sredna | We have had some reports of that earlier |
| 20:37.08 | sredna | And a line of 2.7mb is scary! |
| 20:37.37 | pusling | a bit ;) |
| 20:38.03 | pusling | I will ask for a example file (or a example file generator) and forward it to kde bugzilla |
| 20:38.22 | JamesB192_ | Even if it's just pi to three million digits? |
| 20:38.38 | annma | Red_Cloud: congrats |
| 20:38.40 | sredna | Takes some time |
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| 20:39.19 | sredna | pusling: My file opened fairly quick, but since kate does not render the full file untill needed, scrolling is slow |
| 20:39.38 | sredna | If I drag the scrollbar to scroll to the middle of the file |
| 20:39.49 | sredna | However, using arrow down its fine |
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| 20:40.29 | sredna | As is using pgdown (<1 sec delay, more like 1/3, and my pc is SLOW) |
| 20:40.33 | pusling | I just asked for a sample-(file|generator) |
| 20:40.53 | pusling | sredna: and you are developing kde (and compiling it occasionally yourself? ,) |
| 20:41.20 | sredna | pusling: Well, I'm on the kate team, so I compile kde relatively often |
| 20:41.35 | pusling | on a SLOW pc ;) |
| 20:41.38 | sredna | Yes |
| 20:41.40 | Balsamic_Chicken | hi, what channel do i go for questions about vmare, i.e. what it is, where to download/get it, and other info, thx alot. (o and i had to restart so i didn't see any msgs if someone answered me already thx) |
| 20:42.03 | pusling | but of course - not using --enable-final allows a bit quicker compile time ;) |
| 20:42.38 | sredna | pusling: Due to my profession I can't afford a new pc anytime soon (I something as stupid and invalid as taking care of children) |
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| 20:43.12 | sredna | Given that my sql file is 6.6mb, I find kate to be resonably fast |
| 20:43.13 | pusling | sredna: but are you brainwashing free software into them? ;) |
| 20:43.31 | sredna | But it does not have thos 3985720396795 lines of course |
| 20:43.51 | sredna | pusling: I print memory card games with tux on the back side ;) |
| 20:43.59 | pusling | ;) |
| 20:44.10 | pusling | ..but maybe frisoftware.dk can help ? |
| 20:46.00 | sredna | I work in a kindergarden that is in a school. The school will soon be running the computers on a remote nx server running suse desktop, and all students will be given accounts so they can log on from their homes using freenx client |
| 20:46.13 | sredna | The server is shared with another small school |
| 20:46.15 | pusling | weeeee.... |
| 20:46.17 | pusling | nice. |
| 20:46.25 | sredna | Yes :-) |
| 20:46.37 | pusling | (except of suse ,) |
| 20:46.44 | sredna | It of course causes that everybody uses a KDE desktop |
| 20:46.54 | PhilRod | Balsamic_Chicken: google |
| 20:47.14 | pusling | #include std-distro-flamewar.h ;) |
| 20:47.56 | sredna | pusling: Can you comment on that bug that the problem is related to the very long line(s) in the file, and that it is known to the kate developers? |
| 20:48.48 | pusling | sredna: I just asked for a sample file (generator) and first I will test for myself - and then attach it somehow to a kate bug in kde bugzilla ;) |
| 20:49.20 | sredna | pusling: Why not ask the user for his file? A sql file with such a long line is not easily generated |
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| 20:49.53 | twobitsprite | is superkaramba really only for KDE? can I still use it if I'm running fluxbox? |
| 20:50.01 | twobitsprite | or are there non-KDE alternatives? |
| 20:50.06 | pusling | he offered a tool to generate a file that shows the bug. I prefer a 100k tool in my mailbox over a 2.7mb file in my mailbox ;) |
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| 20:51.00 | sredna | pusling: Well, then he can come up with that, right? |
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| 20:53.42 | pusling | I hope so, yes. |
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| 20:59.27 | roke | hi@all |
| 20:59.41 | PhilRod | hi roke |
| 20:59.44 | roke | german people here? |
| 21:00.10 | roke | my english is not so good |
| 21:00.25 | roke | hi phil |
| 21:00.25 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.08 | Przemcio78 | is kde 3.5.6 in arch linux repos stable? |
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| 21:01.26 | sredna | Afaik kde 3.5.6 is not released at this point |
| 21:02.28 | pusling | rumors says it will be stable on 23rd |
| 21:02.41 | PhilRod | heh, it's stable now :-) |
| 21:02.48 | PhilRod | it should be released on the 23rd, IIRC |
| 21:03.00 | pusling | s/stable/released/ then. |
| 21:03.11 | Kyral | Arch is known for pulling a fast one :D |
| 21:03.13 | Kyral | Sysinfo for 'HyperDream': Linux 2.6.19-beyond running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2100+ at 1733 MHz (3468 bogomips), HD: 368/801GB, RAM: 549/1011MB, 130 proc's, 3.37min up |
| 21:03.22 | pusling | Kyral: then they are cheating ,) |
| 21:03.28 | PhilRod | http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html |
| 21:03.52 | Kyral | Since when is pulling SVN considered cheating when the release date is 2 days away? |
| 21:04.33 | pusling | Kyral: because we are more or less asked not to release them in distributions until they are official released |
| 21:04.40 | Kyral | ah |
| 21:05.18 | PhilRod | it's to allow mirrors to update, and such like |
| 21:05.28 | PhilRod | simple courtesy, basically |
| 21:05.39 | Kyral | ah |
| 21:05.51 | pusling | ..but there are a couple of ugly bugs/regressions in 3.5.6 - one with clicking on links in konqueror scrolls to top of page ; waits a second ; fetch new page. Another with kopete baloons vs kwin. |
| 21:06.15 | PhilRod | yeah, I've seen both of those. I wonder if they're fixed in svn |
| 21:06.24 | Kyral | eh thats whats fun about using unstable |
| 21:06.44 | Kyral | Seriously thats the reason I stopped using Ubuntu...even in its Dev is was too stable |
| 21:07.10 | pusling | ..but danish roadmap service findvej.dk does not crash konqueror anymore - and kmail has templates. |
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| 21:11.51 | sredna | pusling: The khtml scrolling is not new |
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| 21:12.13 | Kyral | shall I say it? |
| 21:12.21 | Kyral | "Its not a bug! Its a feature!" |
| 21:12.48 | pusling | sredna: it is at least much more significant in 3.5.6 than in 3.5.5 |
| 21:12.48 | sredna | What ever it is, it's annoying |
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| 21:13.07 | shaman | it is annoying |
| 21:13.07 | sredna | My guess is that it is a mistake, but it makes me feel that konqueror wastes the time |
| 21:13.42 | shaman | the crashing when you download off a page with a 10 second delay and hit the back button before the DL starts is annoying too |
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| 21:14.27 | sredna | I haven't that |
| 21:14.59 | sredna | But I'm not in 3.5.6 yet of course, I have kde4 for crashing and kde3.5.5 for daily usage ;) |
| 21:15.15 | shaman | this bug has been in since 3.5.2 |
| 21:15.40 | shaman | maybe earlier but it didn't happen in the 3.4 series |
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| 21:20.41 | TravisBarker | i need to disable the Alt hotkey that allows me to move windows |
| 21:20.53 | TravisBarker | the Alt function is needed in another application |
| 21:22.18 | Morbo | TravisBarker- can you click first and then press alt? |
| 21:22.44 | Morbo | It doesn't do the window-moving if you do that |
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| 21:23.30 | linuxguy | when I plug in a usb flash drive, how do I know which thing in /dev is that one? thx |
| 21:23.47 | pusling | linuxguy: dmesg|tail ? |
| 21:23.50 | Ardonik | linuxguy: dmesg |
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| 21:24.08 | pusling | or just let kde/hal/dbus take care of your usb flashes ? |
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| 21:25.02 | linuxguy | usbcore: registered new driver usbfs |
| 21:25.03 | linuxguy | usbcore: registered new driver hub |
| 21:25.03 | linuxguy | usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:25.03 | linuxguy | usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:25.03 | linuxguy | usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:25.03 | linuxguy | usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:25.05 | linuxguy | usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 21:25.07 | linuxguy | usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 21:25.09 | linuxguy | usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:25.11 | linuxguy | usbcore: registered new driver hiddev |
| 21:25.13 | linuxguy | input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [HID 062a:0000] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-1 |
| 21:25.15 | linuxguy | usbcore: registered new driver usbhid |
| 21:25.17 | linuxguy | drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver |
| 21:25.19 | linuxguy | usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 21:25.23 | linuxguy | usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:25.25 | linuxguy | usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 21:25.27 | linuxguy | usb-storage: device found at 2 |
| 21:25.29 | linuxguy | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 21:25.31 | linuxguy | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 21:25.33 | linuxguy | that;s for dmesg |grep usb |
| 21:25.55 | pinotree | linuxguy: next the pastebin, OK?? |
| 21:25.57 | Morbo | Holy crap |
| 21:25.59 | Morbo | pastebin please |
| 21:26.17 | linuxguy | sorry, i'm newbie, how to do that? |
| 21:26.26 | sredna | TravisBarker: It's configurable somewhere. Window behavior iirc |
| 21:26.29 | TravisBarker | Morbo, yes your right, once the window has focus all is well |
| 21:26.32 | TravisBarker | thanks |
| 21:26.33 | sredna | ~pastebin |
| 21:26.44 | apt | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 21:26.45 | sredna | !pastebin |
| 21:27.05 | pinotree | sredna: the first |
| 21:27.07 | linuxguy | thx, learn one thing |
| 21:27.14 | sredna | Thak you pinotree :-) |
| 21:27.56 | sredna | linuxguy: It's possible to configure it in your udev configuration, if you care to read through the documentation |
| 21:28.57 | linuxguy | yeah, I'd like to read the manual, but googling around I just got some stuff |
| 21:29.02 | sredna | Apart from that, it is systematic in some odd way, I believe it is sgN where N is the first available number |
| 21:29.05 | linuxguy | man udev? |
| 21:29.52 | sredna | That is a starting point :) |
| 21:31.13 | linuxguy | sredna: as I got a window in kde, then I mount it to /media/flash |
| 21:31.39 | sredna | linuxguy: What kde version do you have? |
| 21:32.23 | PhilRod | TravisBarker: control center -> desktop -> window behaviour -> window actions |
| 21:32.28 | linuxguy | 3.5.5 |
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| 21:32.41 | sredna | linuxguy: Here, kde just pops a dialog asking me if what I want to do with a usb disk (suggesting to open it) when I connect it (as for any other device I attach) |
| 21:33.22 | linuxguy | sredna: yup, something like that, then it got a tab for mounting ... |
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| 21:34.28 | linuxguy | sredna: is it possible to do it solely in kde? |
| 21:34.28 | pusling | linuxguy: what distro ? |
| 21:34.44 | Balsamic_Chicken | how do i start vmware (from console)? |
| 21:34.57 | pusling | vmware & ? |
| 21:35.09 | linuxguy | Linux debian 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux? |
| 21:35.10 | sredna | linuxguy: Absolutely, given you have ther required tools (dbus, hal) |
| 21:35.41 | vbgunz | is kmail slower than thunderbird? |
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| 21:35.56 | pusling | it is _very_ hard to avoid hal on debian with kde. |
| 21:36.01 | Balsamic_Chicken | sredna cool thx alot, i tried to ask for a channel earlier, nobody knew |
| 21:36.13 | pusling | Balsamic_Chicken: it sounded hard guessing also .. |
| 21:36.20 | sredna | Balsamic_Chicken: /list is your friend (and mine) ;) |
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| 21:36.59 | Balsamic_Chicken | pusling, sredna: thx |
| 21:37.11 | vbgunz | I've just imported something along the lines of maybe 100,000+ messages from Thunderbird and I thank god I didn't have to do it by hand *but* Thunderbird can navigate messages so much faster than kmail... Do I have to index the messages in kmail or something or is there a setting to help improve the speed? |
| 21:37.35 | linuxguy | sredna: should I apt-get dbus and hal and start from there? |
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| 21:38.06 | sredna | linuxguy: I think you should ask in debian-kde |
| 21:38.25 | linuxguy | cool, thx anyway |
| 21:38.36 | sredna | linuxguy: If you use debian. I can tell you that kubuntu comes with this working |
| 21:38.53 | LinuxCart | Hello. I want to start kde on debian. I has been working for my regular user, but when I wanted it to strt for another user, then it hangs on the splash in the second stage. |
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| 21:39.21 | LinuxCart | then the splash disspears and nothing else happens |
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| 21:40.09 | LinuxCart | I think this is the second time I have had this problem, but I think last time, for my user, starting over kde was enough. How couldI knw what's happening now? |
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| 21:41.13 | sredna | LinuxCart: Try looking in the ~/.xsession-errors file |
| 21:41.28 | LinuxCart | sredna: no valuable info there, but I'll paste it... |
| 21:41.39 | sredna | ~pastebin |
| 21:41.41 | apt | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 21:42.12 | pinotree | sredna: playing with the toy ;) j/k |
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| 21:42.54 | sredna | pinotree: Is there a way I can direct the information to someone directly? |
| 21:43.01 | pinotree | don't think so |
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| 21:44.43 | pinotree | ~nickometer l4m3 |
| 21:44.52 | pinotree | sredna: it does :D |
| 21:45.00 | LinuxCart | sredna: http://paste.debian.net/20525 |
| 21:45.01 | pinotree | ~nickometer pinotre |
| 21:45.01 | sredna | }:-p |
| 21:45.07 | pinotree | ~nickometer pinotree |
| 21:45.11 | LinuxCart | I used another one if you don't care |
| 21:45.11 | pinotree | \o/ |
| 21:45.31 | LinuxCart | ~nickometer LinuxCart |
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| 21:45.38 | LinuxCart | :D |
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| 21:45.54 | sredna | pinotree: The nickometer itself is pretty lame, I have seen the ``alegoritm´´ used |
| 21:46.21 | sredna | LinuxCart: Well, that is definately not very informative |
| 21:46.25 | LinuxCart | I after some tested I remove the ~/.kde/share/config/session/* |
| 21:46.50 | sredna | LinuxCart: Did you try logging into a text console and start kde using startx? |
| 21:46.53 | LinuxCart | also /var/tmp/kde-user and /tmp/kde-user |
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| 21:47.29 | LinuxCart | sredna: I tried strace startkde, but lots of info I couldn't extract valuable info, I'll paste it too |
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| 21:52.20 | vbgunz | could there be a reason why messages that should be threaded in kmail are not when the threaded option is enabled? |
| 21:52.39 | wireddd | is there a transparent widget style? |
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| 21:52.56 | vbgunz | oh, think I got it |
| 21:54.37 | LinuxCart | sredna: http://paste.debian.net/20526 |
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| 21:55.03 | LinuxCart | that's the strace for startkde |
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| 21:55.53 | sredna | LinuxCart: I can't see why that would be interresting, if kde works on your system. |
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| 21:56.23 | LinuxCart | after this start, I cancel startkde with ctrl-C when I saw all was done and the process kdeinit, dcopserver, klauncher and kded |
| 21:56.47 | LinuxCart | well, kde works on my user, but not on that user |
| 21:57.25 | pusling | LinuxCart: when it hangs, switch to a tty and see what it is doings |
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| 21:57.51 | LinuxCart | pusling: what would I have to see |
| 21:57.59 | pusling | 'something' |
| 21:58.01 | LinuxCart | sorry, but I'm a little list |
| 21:58.08 | LinuxCart | *lost |
| 21:58.45 | pusling | using tools like `ps' and `top' and similar. |
| 21:58.51 | LinuxCart | these are the processes that remain http://paste.debian.net/20527 |
| 21:59.00 | LinuxCart | startkde was cancelled |
| 21:59.16 | LinuxCart | I will kill them and startover with startkde, ok? |
| 21:59.21 | pusling | yes. |
| 21:59.38 | PhilRod | LinuxCart: for the user that doesn't work, rename ~/.kde and try again. Tell us if that works |
| 21:59.45 | pusling | and when it hangs - then don't kill anything, but look what processes is running - and what those processes are doing. |
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| 22:02.05 | LinuxCart | PhilRod: if you don't mind I'll try first with pusling advise, I have the feeling that you approach will work |
| 22:02.18 | PhilRod | ok |
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| 22:03.47 | LinuxCart | I started again, after having killed all the kde processes. I issued startkde |
| 22:03.57 | LinuxCart | I have these processes http://paste.debian.net/20528 |
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| 22:04.23 | LinuxCart | which one should I investigate first? |
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| 22:06.41 | pusling | how long has it been hanging? and how fast/slow are your machines ? |
| 22:07.25 | LinuxCart | these processes suppose little load, I'm on a 1.4 centrino working currently at 600MHz |
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| 22:08.02 | pusling | strace the processes one by one and see if someof them is stopped somewheres |
| 22:08.50 | LinuxCart | wow.... I'm so so so sorry. I think I have it: the lo interface was down |
| 22:09.01 | LinuxCart | :( |
| 22:09.29 | LinuxCart | now it has worked, but I'll try again, just in case. Thanks, thanks... |
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| 22:11.23 | pusling | ah. |
| 22:11.29 | pusling | with lo down, no kde. |
| 22:12.05 | LinuxCart | yep, but difficult for me to associate it.. |
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| 22:14.29 | LinuxCart | well, now it works correctly. I should do a suFAQ: Stupid Users FAQ. At least will be useful for me ... |
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| 22:15.15 | LinuxCart | Thanks a lot... |
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| 22:19.50 | fir3 | hi |
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| 22:20.16 | hacosta | where can i see 3.5.6 changelog? |
| 22:20.27 | pinotree | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php |
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| 22:20.30 | pinotree | hacosta: ^ |
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| 22:20.43 | hacosta | wee |
| 22:20.45 | hacosta | thanks |
| 22:20.59 | fir3 | somtimes konqueror and other kde apps just stop responding. i have to kill dcopserver(and all apps) to start them again. someone knows a way to fix this? |
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| 22:22.31 | fir3 | debian sid + kde 3.5.5 |
| 22:23.00 | vbgunz | in kmail, in order for me to actually apply a manual filter, I first have to select all messages in the folder manually too? |
| 22:24.20 | LinuxCart | vbgunz:it's possible to do that, but I think I didn't understand your question properly |
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| 22:25.41 | vbgunz | I am trying to test the filters with some drafts before I actually try downloading any real mail... I am not sure on how the "apply filter" menu item works. Anyhow, it seems to apply the filter *if* I select all messages in the folder... *but* if I do not select the messages I want filtered, nothing happens |
| 22:25.59 | PhilRod | vbgunz: select a message, hit Ctrl+J |
| 22:26.13 | PhilRod | that'll apply filters to it - useful for testing |
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| 22:26.56 | jackdaniels | hi, im new to gnu/linux.. my keyboard is pt_BR ABNT2 layout, all keys are working fine but i have one key that is not.. i have tried a lot of others combinations and i still get, instead of backslash i got this "<", anyone have a clue? |
| 22:28.35 | vbgunz | PhilRod: ok, so I do not apply filters on the folder but instead to the messages directly? |
| 22:28.46 | PhilRod | yes |
| 22:29.31 | vbgunz | well my filters seem to work like that |
| 22:29.41 | vbgunz | heh, am used to filtering against folders |
| 22:29.44 | vbgunz | thanks |
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| 22:38.02 | ReTyPe | is there a commit digest today ? |
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| 22:45.05 | mih | hi night. |
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| 22:52.51 | ReTyPe | lol, there it is, the commit digest |
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| 23:19.48 | eternalswd | sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm a gnome user using amarok and the mouse changes themes when hovering over any part of amarok. I opened kcontrol (cursor does the same here) and didn't see anything about the mouse. I also didn't see anything at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/control-center.html#kcontrol-appearance-and-themes How might I change the mouse style for kde apps? I use ComixCursors http://www.gnome |
| 23:19.48 | eternalswd | -look.org/content/show.php?content=32627 which also has a page http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32627 |
| 23:20.26 | Renze | eternalswd: kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse |
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| 23:22.45 | eternalswd | thanks Renze, it tells me I have to restart kde. is that possible from terminal? |
| 23:22.46 | Kuko | Does anyone here know how to make it so when you open a webpage from a kde app it doesnt try to open it in like... /tmp/blah |
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| 23:23.22 | Renze | eternalswd: it means that all apps that have to be restarted for the new cursor settings to take effect |
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| 23:23.37 | Renze | s/that// |
| 23:23.56 | Renze | it's an X thing, not a KDE thing |
| 23:24.15 | Kuko | Anyone at all.. |
| 23:24.18 | Kuko | Its really starting to bug me |
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| 23:24.31 | Renze | Kuko: fix your broken file associations |
| 23:24.44 | Kuko | I havent touched anything in my file associations |
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| 23:25.10 | Renze | you asked how to fix it... that's how |
| 23:25.21 | Kuko | Okay how do i fix my broken file associations? |
| 23:25.23 | Kuko | What do i do |
| 23:26.09 | Renze | Kuko: kcontrol -> kde components -> file associations, go to text/html, click Embedding, make sure "show file in embedded viewer" is selected, and khtml is at the top of the list |
| 23:26.57 | Kuko | already is |
| 23:27.16 | Renze | weird |
| 23:27.18 | Renze | distro? |
| 23:27.24 | Kuko | debian |
| 23:27.46 | Renze | afaik, debian don't break it too badly... |
| 23:28.43 | Kuko | =\ |
| 23:28.50 | Kuko | doesnt really answer my question though lol |
| 23:29.18 | Renze | according to your file associations, it should be working properly |
| 23:29.29 | Kuko | well.. |
| 23:29.34 | Kuko | When it opens the page |
| 23:29.38 | Kuko | it didnt open the source |
| 23:29.43 | Kuko | like... |
| 23:29.51 | Kuko | say google.ca was put into kopete or somethin |
| 23:30.04 | Renze | kopete? |
| 23:30.11 | Kuko | it wouldnt open google.ca it would copy something from google.ca to /tmp/something and open that instead |
| 23:30.20 | Kuko | same thing with konversation |
| 23:30.26 | Renze | yes, that's what happens when the file associations are messed up |
| 23:30.57 | Renze | but yours aren't |
| 23:32.42 | canllaith | Kuko: ouch, I've had that happen to me before. Which KDE version ? |
| 23:32.56 | Kuko | Renze: google.ca comes out as file:///var/tmp/kdecache-kuko/krun/3245.0. |
| 23:32.58 | Kuko | uhhh |
| 23:33.02 | Kuko | 3.5 |
| 23:33.09 | canllaith | wow I thought that was fixed. |
| 23:33.25 | Renze | Kuko: try intentionally changing the file association and then change it back again |
| 23:33.32 | canllaith | Kuko: do you have anything at all in ~/.config/menus ? |
| 23:33.36 | Renze | clicking apply each time |
| 23:33.53 | Renze | (just in case your ksycoca is out of sync) |
| 23:33.54 | Kuko | nothin in menus |
| 23:34.22 | canllaith | what about ~/.local/share/applications ? |
| 23:34.34 | Kuko | 4.0K gimp-2.2.desktop |
| 23:34.35 | Kuko | thats it |
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| 23:35.28 | canllaith | I'd suggest creating a brand new user who hasn't existed before on the system and seeing if they have the same problem. If not the easiest way is I think to nuke your file associations so they go back to defaults |
| 23:36.15 | Kuko | how do i nuke the file assosiations? |
| 23:36.21 | Kuko | I did Renze's suggestion and it didnt change it |
| 23:36.27 | canllaith | Try creating a new user |
| 23:36.35 | canllaith | Then come and tell us if that new user had the same problem |
| 23:36.45 | Kuko | i really dont want a new user... |
| 23:36.46 | Kuko | ugg |
| 23:36.50 | Kuko | k i guess i will |
| 23:36.51 | canllaith | So delete it afterwards |
| 23:36.51 | Kuko | lol |
| 23:37.06 | canllaith | but it's the best way to test |
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| 23:37.33 | Kuko | brb |
| 23:37.35 | Renze | it will confirm whether it is a user setting or a system setting at fault |
| 23:37.37 | eternalswd | hmm, Renze, I close all kde stuff by kdeinit_shutdown and then open amarok and the mouse has not changed. What am I missing? |
| 23:37.39 | Renze | damn |
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| 23:38.00 | canllaith | eternalswd: restartgin X11 is I think the bit you missed |
| 23:38.04 | canllaith | restarting&& |
| 23:38.07 | canllaith | bleh |
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| 23:39.47 | eternalswd | hmm restarting X is annoying when I'm in the middle of a gnome session. Anyway to get kde to just read the new configuration? |
| 23:40.04 | eternalswd | *any way |
| 23:40.09 | Renze | eternalswd: it's an X thing, not a KDE thing |
| 23:40.23 | Renze | eternalswd: X handles cursor themes, not KDE |
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| 23:40.51 | Kuko | No issues on new user |
| 23:40.52 | Kuko | =\ |
| 23:40.59 | eternalswd | hmm, then why am I able to change cursors in gnome on the fly? |
| 23:41.08 | Renze | Kuko: ok, so it is a user setting causing this... now to find it |
| 23:41.47 | Kuko | i could just kill my kde config its not like i changed anything to start with on purpose |
| 23:41.47 | Kuko | lol |
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| 23:42.28 | Renze | Kuko: check in .kde/share/mimelnk |
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| 23:43.10 | Kuko | ugg crap |
| 23:43.11 | Kuko | brb |
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| 23:44.25 | Kuko | sry bout that |
| 23:44.27 | Kuko | hmmm |
| 23:44.31 | Kuko | [ 5:44PM ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/text ] ls |
| 23:44.32 | Kuko | total 4.0K |
| 23:44.33 | Kuko | 4.0K html.desktop |
| 23:44.45 | Renze | delete that file, then run kbuildsycoca as user |
| 23:45.03 | Kuko | I got some warnings |
| 23:45.08 | Kuko | is that normal? |
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| 23:45.10 | Renze | don't worry about those |
| 23:45.14 | Kuko | mmk |
| 23:45.18 | Renze | try konq again |
| 23:45.24 | Kuko | still issue |
| 23:45.26 | Kuko | =\ |
| 23:45.52 | Kuko | hmm |
| 23:45.53 | Kuko | just curious |
| 23:46.00 | Kuko | What setting you using for uhh |
| 23:46.33 | Kuko | kcontrol>kde components>component chooser>web browser>default component |
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| 23:47.09 | Renze | "in an application based on the contents of the URL" |
| 23:47.21 | Kuko | That must be what i did wrong |
| 23:47.25 | Renze | aha |
| 23:47.35 | Kuko | I have it "in the following browser: Konqbrowser" |
| 23:47.52 | Kuko | =\ sexy |
| 23:47.53 | Kuko | lol |
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| 23:51.31 | Kuko | bwuahahha |
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| 23:56.55 | canllaith | eternalswd: because that's how it was implemented in gnome. It's not how it was implemented in KDE. |
| 23:57.10 | canllaith | The KDE cursor changing was implemented a very long time ago, perhaps it wasn't possible to do it on the fly then and no-one has updated it. |
| 23:57.26 | eternalswd | thanks for the info |
| 23:57.37 | Dr_willis | I think we need 64bitdept uber-animated cursors! |
| 23:58.01 | Dr_willis | with bio-force-feedback |
| 23:58.30 | Renze | just say no, dude |
| 23:58.56 | Kuko | The first step is admitting you have a problem .... |
| 23:58.58 | Kuko | ;) |
| 23:59.02 | Dr_willis | heh - i rember the animated mouse pointers we could have on the amiga ages ago. |
| 23:59.22 | Renze | canllaith: I have nothing against eye-candy... but it is possible to go too far ;) |
| 23:59.34 | canllaith | Definitely |
| 23:59.40 | Dr_willis | We need webpages on the desktop! |
| 23:59.48 | Dr_willis | and Push data streams.. |
| 23:59.53 | Dr_willis | oh wait - thats been tried.. and died. |
| 23:59.55 | canllaith | sadly, you can have webpages on the desktop |
