| 00:01.36 | Ze_M | Renze: already installed kaffeine, but nothing |
| 00:04.04 | smileaf | suse has hidiously crippled it... I've yet to run across a video I *can* play |
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| 00:04.57 | logixoul | smileaf: dumping the crippled version is first thing i do after installation... it's even legal where i live :) |
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| 00:06.12 | smileaf | <-- USA so probably illegal just like everything else it seems. |
| 00:06.46 | logixoul | money |
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| 00:08.31 | MinceR | it became marketing |
| 00:08.35 | MinceR | an empty phrase |
| 00:08.52 | smileaf | oops, did I just say a now copyrighted saying? :S |
| 00:09.09 | MinceR | "Where do you not want to go today?" |
| 00:09.35 | Ze_M | im glad im in europe |
| 00:10.21 | MinceR | i'm not sure where i should be |
| 00:10.31 | MinceR | i'm not sure i'm glad i'm in europe |
| 00:10.32 | Renze | they should change the "land of the free" to "do you want fries with that?" |
| 00:10.59 | BrigadierFrog | so I'm having a problem with konqueror |
| 00:11.06 | BrigadierFrog | in between some divs it leaves a gap |
| 00:11.08 | BrigadierFrog | and I'm not sure why |
| 00:11.18 | BrigadierFrog | I have each div class set to have 0 margins on all sides |
| 00:11.23 | BrigadierFrog | so they should be right against eachother... |
| 00:11.29 | BrigadierFrog | not sure why :-/ |
| 00:11.49 | logixoul | does the problem occur with any engine other than KHTML and safari? |
| 00:11.54 | logixoul | s/safari/webkit/ |
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| 00:12.56 | logixoul | anyway, give a link to a testcase |
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| 00:16.32 | Rated-R | Hi || selam |
| 00:17.00 | Ze_M | im forced to install crossover to get pages working with all kind of plugins |
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| 00:19.34 | Rated-R | everybody on GMT 0:00 ? eheh |
| 00:19.41 | Ze_M | yep |
| 00:19.57 | Rated-R | Ok, it explains the silence |
| 00:20.13 | luksan | designer4 is crap |
| 00:21.03 | Renze | why? because it's not MDI any more? |
| 00:23.32 | Rated-R | Not MDI software should annoye just win32 user with the suckal' windowns manager |
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| 00:23.59 | logixoul | then? |
| 00:24.08 | logixoul | oh nevermind |
| 00:24.55 | Rated-R | in one word, Current designer suits very well with a real window manager like KDE (Gnome/even fluxbox :) ) |
| 00:25.20 | logixoul | ONE word? heh. |
| 00:25.24 | Rated-R | hhéé |
| 00:25.52 | Rated-R | well, you got my point... mmh i think |
| 00:25.58 | logixoul | sure |
| 00:26.22 | BrigadierFrog | oh, I fixed it |
| 00:26.24 | BrigadierFrog | sorry about that guys |
| 00:26.35 | BrigadierFrog | I used a wrapper div |
| 00:26.39 | BrigadierFrog | and it works now |
| 00:27.51 | Ze_M | Rated-R: your not using utf-8 |
| 00:28.58 | BrigadierFrog | designer 4 reminds me of the gimp |
| 00:29.22 | BrigadierFrog | and I'm not really fond of the gimp interface, its ok |
| 00:29.27 | BrigadierFrog | but its annoying sometimes too |
| 00:29.46 | Renze | any interface can be annoying... it all depends on what you're used to |
| 00:29.55 | Rated-R | exactly |
| 00:30.07 | Renze | "intuitive" depends solely on the individual |
| 00:30.11 | logixoul | Edit->User Interface Mode->Docked Window anyone? |
| 00:31.11 | Renze | logixoul: funky... didn't know that was there ;) |
| 00:31.19 | BrigadierFrog | Renze: its annoying because I can't choose a single task from the task bar and bring up all the relevant windows in the gimp |
| 00:31.28 | Rated-R | Renze: as a lot of users |
| 00:31.39 | BrigadierFrog | I'm not sure if designer4 does that (I don't think it does) |
| 00:31.46 | Rated-R | BrigadierFrog: do you really work under KDE? |
| 00:31.52 | BrigadierFrog | I use it every day |
| 00:31.58 | Rated-R | it's strange |
| 00:32.02 | BrigadierFrog | I don't use the gimp everyday though |
| 00:32.22 | Rated-R | that's two things completely different |
| 00:32.30 | logixoul | Renze: the trolls are good at hiding essential functionality sometimes, eh |
| 00:32.36 | Rated-R | oh yeah, Krita, it looks good |
| 00:32.49 | Renze | logixoul: "Trolls" — has to be capitalised ;) |
| 00:32.50 | Rated-R | essential? take the time |
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| 00:33.28 | Rated-R | i discovered a lot of hided features in kde, and i'm happy to have spend more than one hour |
| 00:33.38 | Rated-R | cuz now, i gain more over :) |
| 00:33.42 | BrigadierFrog | Rated-R: well, you it seemed you were implying that gimp can be all focused on at once |
| 00:33.58 | BrigadierFrog | which I believe it can be, but you need to go set some option somewhere, and I can't be bothered |
| 00:34.36 | Rated-R | BrigadierFrog: and who said you have the good workflow? or the good approach? |
| 00:34.41 | logixoul | Renze: haha |
| 00:35.45 | BrigadierFrog | Rated-R: I never said I did, I just said it was an annoyance |
| 00:35.45 | Rated-R | you don't discover that cause you didn't want to spend time on it |
| 00:35.46 | BrigadierFrog | and its the way I've been accustomed to working with applications |
| 00:35.46 | logixoul | Rated-R: i'd be delighted to hear some gimp workflow advice... |
| 00:35.46 | BrigadierFrog | I've used the gimp enough now to know that I want to use krita much more if only because of the window thing |
| 00:35.47 | Rated-R | as what? |
| 00:35.53 | BrigadierFrog | as would I |
| 00:36.12 | BrigadierFrog | well for example, say I have a web browser, and the gimp, and a shell opened all in the same virtual desktop |
| 00:36.14 | Rated-R | maybe you aren't a power user, not an offence |
| 00:36.19 | logixoul | me? |
| 00:36.24 | BrigadierFrog | is there some fast way of making the gimp windows all show up on top? |
| 00:36.26 | BrigadierFrog | quickly? |
| 00:36.32 | BrigadierFrog | thats my only real complaint with the gimp |
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| 00:36.37 | Rated-R | cause power user "customize" theirs softwares |
| 00:36.45 | Rated-R | as with kde |
| 00:36.49 | logixoul | i do, a lot actually :) |
| 00:37.21 | Rated-R | here, i'm using kde mainly with shortcut, i took the time to set my hotkeys, i took the time to dig the control center etc etc |
| 00:37.29 | logixoul | me too |
| 00:38.02 | Rated-R | so, just do the same with Gimp, it is fully "customizable" |
| 00:39.11 | logixoul | just so you know, here's my kde and my wikipedia :) http://devheaven.buildtolearn.net/screenshot.png |
| 00:39.41 | logixoul | sure thing GIMP is customizable - just not as easily |
| 00:39.52 | logixoul | (i've looked into it some time ago) |
| 00:40.39 | smileaf | I thought I had lost all my code... |
| 00:40.46 | BrigadierFrog | yay! |
| 00:40.55 | logixoul | hurray |
| 00:41.03 | Renze | huzzah! |
| 00:41.22 | smileaf | first my secondary hard drive goes out and i almost lose it that way.. |
| 00:41.23 | Renze | what are we cheering about? |
| 00:41.43 | logixoul | smileaf revived his code or something |
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| 00:42.38 | smileaf | then my primary hard drive starts going out and I move all my files from my 300G to my 500G (but forget to move some of my backup over) repartition it |
| 00:42.45 | Rated-R | i gonna make a paper for KDE4, i know the Usability roadmap is already finished, but i'll post it anyway |
| 00:43.02 | logixoul | usability roadmap? wha? |
| 00:43.26 | Rated-R | for power user... without offence or elistism'... my approach is: i take user for smarter than they are. :) |
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| 00:43.49 | Rated-R | not really a roadmap, let's say a guidance :) |
| 00:44.06 | smileaf | next while I repartitioned my 300G I moved files over and rebooted not even knowing that with SATA hard drives you *MUST* reboot for partitioning to take effect, thus I just lost all my stuff *again* without knowing not even a rebuild-sb or rebuild-tree will help there. |
| 00:45.01 | logixoul | Rated-R: sorry, didn't get your last comment about power users |
| 00:45.58 | logixoul | Rated-R: roadmap... guidance... you mean the HIG? |
| 00:46.14 | Rated-R | smileaf: did you try photorec for recovering data |
| 00:46.21 | Rated-R | logixoul: yep |
| 00:46.49 | smileaf | by chance I had a complete svn checkout in my backed up home directory of all my websites and projects ^_^ |
| 00:47.06 | Rated-R | logixoul: what i mean, i read the paper from Akademy06, and i find their approach wrong |
| 00:47.24 | Rated-R | what the hell think they users are all stupids? |
| 00:47.24 | logixoul | Rated-R: it's not remotely finished yet, check this out: http://wiki.openusability.org/guidelines ;) |
| 00:47.39 | smileaf | Rated-R: they're not? |
| 00:48.14 | Rated-R | smileaf: no, we encourage them in this way rather than to respect them a little bit more |
| 00:48.17 | smileaf | Rated-R: heck I can't even backup my files correctly! :( |
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| 00:48.43 | logixoul | if you want to be the best, design for the lowest common denominator - that's applicable in 100% of cases imho |
| 00:48.48 | Rated-R | smileaf: too bad; it gives good results for me, not absolute, but good |
| 00:49.05 | Renze | logixoul: like American television shows :D |
| 00:49.11 | smileaf | I don't know whatI would have done had I lost my 2yr old code. x.x |
| 00:49.17 | Rated-R | is it reason? |
| 00:50.04 | logixoul | Renze: never watched one, and looks like i won't ever want to :) |
| 00:50.18 | smileaf | american TV sucks |
| 00:50.20 | Renze | logixoul: not if "Jackass" is anything to go by :D |
| 00:50.22 | logixoul | (well, 'scept South Park but that doesn't count) |
| 00:50.56 | smileaf | (south park and jackass included) |
| 00:51.28 | logixoul | hmm, "people performing various dangerous, ridiculous, and self-injuring stunts and pranks." |
| 00:51.41 | logixoul | right\ |
| 00:51.46 | Renze | TV aimed at Cletus the slack-jawed yokel |
| 00:51.51 | Rated-R | smileaf: TV sucks everywhere... cuz they are copying on U.S. :) |
| 00:52.05 | logixoul | i can confirm that |
| 00:52.20 | smileaf | Rated-R: they should have learned by seeing how bad US Tv is... |
| 00:52.34 | Rated-R | smileaf: i agree |
| 00:52.51 | smileaf | I've not turned my TV on to watch a station in years. |
| 00:52.54 | Rated-R | smileaf: but they learned that in this way, they can make a lot of money |
| 00:52.58 | logixoul | smileaf: they can see the cash inflow of US TV people |
| 00:53.05 | Rated-R | money is stronger than reason for somes |
| 00:53.26 | logixoul | actually, money *is* the primary source of reason for most |
| 00:53.28 | smileaf | stupid USA and their damn cash flow! :( |
| 00:54.03 | logixoul | yeah, let's found Hippieland in #kde. but i'm the president, mkay. |
| 00:54.04 | Rated-R | smileaf: no, you may not say that |
| 00:55.36 | logixoul | Rated-R: an user confronted with an arcane interface feels helpless, not respected imho |
| 00:55.37 | Renze | damnit... now I'm hungry |
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| 00:56.00 | smileaf | Renze: diet man, diet :P |
| 00:56.12 | Rated-R | what d'you mean by "arcane"? |
| 00:56.12 | logixoul | Rated-R: (i don't know your exact ideas, of course) |
| 00:56.42 | Renze | feh on dieting |
| 00:57.28 | Rated-R | logixoul: hehe, for sure, my ideas won't be for everyone, just for those who don't fear about takin' their time |
| 00:57.51 | Renze | the world we live in is driven by instant gratification |
| 00:58.15 | Rated-R | in fact, i don't want it was the default behaviour, i just hope they won't forget power users |
| 00:58.22 | logixoul | Rated-R: arcane ui=one requiring users to know stuff about it just to use it (definition subject to change :p) |
| 00:58.29 | logixoul | ah |
| 00:58.34 | Rated-R | ok |
| 00:58.36 | logixoul | that's different :) |
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| 01:00.33 | Rated-R | but i should think that will help :), at least for somes <-- and i will be happy with cause i'm not makin' recruiting :) |
| 01:01.35 | Rated-R | s/recruiting/recruitment/g |
| 01:02.01 | logixoul | i'm really intrigued what you'll come up with, i mean kde is pretty badass in terms of poweruser-friendliness right now |
| 01:03.16 | Rated-R | really? i agree, the balance isn't really stable, but it's pretty okay and far,far better than OSX or Win XP |
| 01:03.29 | Rated-R | my opinion, obviously |
| 01:03.31 | Rated-R | :) |
| 01:03.52 | logixoul | badass as in "kickass" :) |
| 01:03.58 | Rated-R | and i'm usin' each system |
| 01:04.00 | Rated-R | sorry |
| 01:04.02 | Rated-R | haha |
| 01:04.19 | logixoul | hahaha |
| 01:05.32 | Rated-R | i do my best with english... my flow sucks a bit |
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| 01:05.42 | logixoul | mine too, rest assured |
| 01:06.11 | Rated-R | just to fuck up with everyone, i'll learn Esperanto |
| 01:06.17 | Rated-R | :) |
| 01:06.27 | logixoul | i did last summer and then abandoned it |
| 01:07.00 | logixoul | mi opinas esperanton estas malbona or something |
| 01:07.02 | Rated-R | what's the cause? don't like? hard? not valuable? |
| 01:07.12 | logixoul | two causes |
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| 01:07.44 | Renze | Jucato: Mordor elvish? |
| 01:07.54 | logixoul | Trollish then? |
| 01:07.54 | Jucato | heheh :) |
| 01:07.59 | Jucato | orcish |
| 01:08.03 | logixoul | right |
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| 01:09.04 | logixoul | Rated-R: 1. aesthetics - looks ugly written and sounds ugly spoken; 2. chances of IAL acceptance - zero, as a guy named JBR convinced me after 2 months of arguing |
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| 01:09.23 | logixoul | (obviously that's just me) |
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| 01:09.54 | Rated-R | you may, you may :) |
| 01:11.05 | logixoul | heh, i had even started a vocabulary cleanup initiative for esperanto by then :D |
| 01:11.52 | smileaf | never even heard of it. |
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| 01:11.59 | logixoul | of what? |
| 01:12.06 | smileaf | esperanto |
| 01:12.31 | Jucato | an artificial language... |
| 01:12.32 | Renze | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto |
| 01:12.34 | Jucato | (hi smileaf!) |
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| 01:13.03 | HomeRoey | ooh! someone mentioned Eo! |
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| 01:13.09 | HomeRoey | Renze: you speak it? |
| 01:13.12 | Renze | nope |
| 01:13.18 | HomeRoey | logixoul: you speak Esperanto? |
| 01:13.25 | HomeRoey | Renze: ah |
| 01:13.40 | logixoul | HomeRoey: very badly, forgotten most over the time |
| 01:13.59 | HomeRoey | logixoul: a friend of mine went a couple years back to this European conference... in.. mogadishu? sarejevo? |
| 01:13.59 | logixoul | HomeRoey: tre malbona, mia amiko. |
| 01:14.02 | HomeRoey | ah |
| 01:14.03 | HomeRoey | hehe |
| 01:14.12 | Rated-R | how does it look like with hearing? |
| 01:14.14 | HomeRoey | mi estas eterna komencanto. |
| 01:14.35 | Renze | looks a lot like spanish to me |
| 01:14.35 | logixoul | Rated-R: what do you mean? |
| 01:14.37 | HomeRoey | Rated-R: probably how it tastes like by touching? |
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| 01:14.48 | Rated-R | it seems pretty musical |
| 01:14.55 | HomeRoey | Renze: it's not though.. it just shares a lot of Romance vocab. |
| 01:14.59 | smileaf | Jucato: hi |
| 01:15.12 | Rated-R | as spanish is musical, portos etc etc |
| 01:15.28 | logixoul | Renze: and it uses ultimate vowels exclusively, much like spanish |
| 01:15.42 | Rated-R | i'm not fan, but if it is more used, i'll learn it |
| 01:16.06 | Rated-R | Renze: what's tengwar? too subtil for me |
| 01:16.09 | HomeRoey | logixoul: I like the way it's maintained its regularity over the decades. |
| 01:16.22 | Renze | Rated-R: elvish language created by J.R.R. Tolkien |
| 01:16.40 | HomeRoey | logixoul: do Zamenhoff's words sound dated? (in terms of how 19th c. English sounds dated comapred to today's English) |
| 01:18.20 | Rated-R | Renze: oh yes, because of Peter Jackson, i don't want to read this book again |
| 01:18.32 | Renze | I read the book every year |
| 01:18.35 | kash | hahaha |
| 01:18.40 | Renze | have done for 27 years |
| 01:18.42 | Jucato | hehe |
| 01:18.56 | Jucato | I've read the book and watched the movies. both are priceless :) |
| 01:19.04 | logixoul | HomeRoey: not dated. they're inappropriately chosen imho. 1. the vocab selection is unfair, 2. he loans by spelling and not pronunciation |
| 01:19.07 | kash | the book is |
| 01:19.09 | kash | not the novie |
| 01:19.10 | kash | movie* |
| 01:19.15 | kash | the movie had a price of 80 mil :p |
| 01:19.19 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:19.20 | kash | bil* |
| 01:19.27 | logixoul | HomeRoey: the regularity? yeah, La Fundamento has that right. |
| 01:19.33 | Jucato | well, priceless could also mean as too expensive :D |
| 01:19.45 | HomeRoey | logixoul: ahhh |
| 01:19.47 | Rated-R | kash: the movie is also very borin' |
| 01:19.49 | HomeRoey | (wrt/ 1. and 2.) |
| 01:19.56 | kash | yeah they are |
| 01:20.44 | Jucato | the movie is boring in the sense that you already know what's going to happen. It's exciting in the sense that you don't know *how* they're going to show it happening |
| 01:20.51 | kash | no |
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| 01:20.54 | kash | it's boring either way |
| 01:21.02 | Jucato | well it was exciting for me :P |
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| 01:22.14 | Rated-R | damn, i want the old Peter Jackson, the Peter Jackson from "The Frighteners" or even bad test... but please no more LOTR or KingKong |
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| 01:22.46 | logixoul | HomeRoey: do you agree? |
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| 01:23.08 | kash | ahahaha |
| 01:23.13 | kash | shallow hal is on |
| 01:23.13 | kash | :D |
| 01:23.26 | HomeRoey | logixoul: well I haven't read his works at al |
| 01:23.38 | HomeRoey | logixoul: I only have your words to go on :) |
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| 01:24.07 | Rated-R | Jucato: yes and no, the movie suckxx, and actors too..., but it was a hard task to adapt this book, i have to admit it |
| 01:24.48 | Jucato | (and the fact that they used KDE on some of their boxes...) |
| 01:24.57 | logixoul | HomeRoey: so you don't know eo? assumed you did after you said stuff about its history and such ;) |
| 01:25.20 | HomeRoey | logixoul: one of my close friends is waaaaaay into this. |
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| 01:25.33 | HomeRoey | logixoul: we've spoken a *whole* lot about it since...'99, essentially. |
| 01:25.34 | logixoul | Rated-R: i loved the movie, and... well... merged with the book |
| 01:25.42 | logixoul | HomeRoey: aha |
| 01:25.49 | HomeRoey | logixoul: I started learning at some point.. it's on-off all the time. I joined lernu. I still get updates from them. |
| 01:26.12 | logixoul | HomeRoey: i unsubscribed last week |
| 01:26.35 | Rated-R | logixoul: no problem... you MAY :) i don't want to impose my opinion... moreover what's worth my opinion? |
| 01:27.12 | Rated-R | i didn't make movie yet |
| 01:27.26 | logixoul | Rated-R: of course dude, no one here is imposing anything. just sharing ^^ |
| 01:27.38 | Rated-R | Renze: in netherlands, poo is worth a lot of money |
| 01:27.53 | logixoul | it is? |
| 01:28.02 | Renze | Rated-R: I wouldn't know... I left The Netherlands when I was four. ;) |
| 01:28.40 | HomeRoey | logixoul: oh :( |
| 01:28.45 | HomeRoey | why did you ubsubscribe?? |
| 01:28.47 | HomeRoey | how far did you get?? |
| 01:28.59 | Rated-R | logixoul: hehe, it's exceptional obviously, it's not a tradition |
| 01:29.42 | logixoul | kay, i'm going to produce an exceptional pile of poo then |
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| 01:30.13 | Rated-R | Renze: i'm from Belgium |
| 01:30.28 | Renze | Rated-R: flemish or french part? |
| 01:30.31 | logixoul | Rated-R: not russian? |
| 01:30.50 | logixoul | s/an// |
| 01:30.55 | Rated-R | logixoul: lol, no, my provider's DNS sucks tonight |
| 01:31.06 | logixoul | :) |
| 01:31.28 | Rated-R | Renze: french part, moreover i didn't speak dutch since 2001 |
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| 01:31.42 | Renze | Rated-R: I haven't spoken dutch since 1973 |
| 01:32.26 | Rated-R | Renze: really? or you're kiddin' with me? |
| 01:32.31 | Renze | really |
| 01:32.34 | unity | in kopete, a contact from a jabber account has a little yellow triangle with a ! in it on top of her icon. what does that icon mean? |
| 01:33.00 | logixoul | can't establish connection maybe? |
| 01:33.02 | Renze | unity: online status can not be retrieved |
| 01:33.54 | logixoul | HomeRoey: i realized 1. i didn't like the sound/look; 2. it had no chance as an ial; 3. it was poorly designed => i abandoned it |
| 01:34.26 | Rated-R | what's your native language? logixoul? |
| 01:34.30 | logixoul | unity: i've no idea what can cause this, ask at #kopete |
| 01:34.41 | logixoul | Rated-R: bulgarian |
| 01:34.43 | unity | Renze: thanks |
| 01:34.53 | Renze | unity: no problem |
| 01:34.59 | logixoul | sounds obnoxious, i know |
| 01:35.11 | logixoul | :) |
| 01:36.18 | Rated-R | ok... latin sounds could be very weird for a blugarian, i agree |
| 01:36.41 | Rated-R | dont worry, bulgarian is pretty weird too :) one of my best friend is bulgarian |
| 01:37.07 | logixoul | "latin sounds"? you mean sounds used in classical latin? |
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| 01:37.19 | Rated-R | Esperanto is a bit latin |
| 01:37.30 | logixoul | you mean romance? |
| 01:37.35 | Rated-R | no |
| 01:37.52 | Rated-R | sorry, in french, latin has several meaning |
| 01:38.09 | logixoul | aha :) |
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| 01:39.20 | Rated-R | latin as in Spanish or Porto |
| 01:39.42 | logixoul | the english for this is "romance" actually, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages |
| 01:39.47 | logixoul | =) |
| 01:40.31 | Rated-R | thank you, hey people, you see that you can learn some things here :) |
| 01:41.05 | logixoul | even against channel rules >:] |
| 01:41.26 | Rated-R | hehe |
| 01:41.44 | Rated-R | don't worry, everybody sleeps |
| 01:42.12 | logixoul | i should be sleeping too, it's like morning :o |
| 01:42.16 | Jucato | channel rules? we have those? |
| 01:42.20 | logixoul | but don't wanna |
| 01:42.20 | Jucato | :P |
| 01:42.41 | logixoul | Jucato: right, more like freenode rules |
| 01:42.42 | Jucato | the only channel rule I know of is "Do Not Feed the Trolls" :) |
| 01:43.00 | logixoul | so it's okay to troll? :p |
| 01:43.13 | Jucato | (or feed the trolls with Renze's cooking, a.k.a. "cat puke" according to Sutoka) |
| 01:43.27 | logixoul | alol |
| 01:43.38 | Renze | there's nothing wrong with my cooking |
| 01:43.53 | Jucato | Renze: certainly not my opinion. but I can't really judge since I haven't tasted it :P |
| 01:43.56 | Rated-R | ahah, who is the bastard who had invented the "TROLL"? it's a fuckin' word and silly weapon. |
| 01:44.18 | logixoul | hm? |
| 01:44.37 | Jucato | Rated-R: you mean the troll creature, or as it is used in the internet/IRC/forums/etc? |
| 01:44.40 | logixoul | looks spiffy to me |
| 01:44.46 | Rated-R | a weapon cause, anyone can put a end in debat by saying: "troll" |
| 01:44.53 | logixoul | ah |
| 01:44.58 | Jucato | ah |
| 01:45.12 | logixoul | then you reply "u all suk dik" and the debate should continue as normal |
| 01:45.32 | Jucato | Renze: no one besides you likes to eat cat puke anyway :) |
| 01:45.54 | Jucato | Rated-R: knowing a troll, a debate won't even end when you call him a troll :) |
| 01:45.57 | Rated-R | logixoul: never, anyway, i haven't seen that yet |
| 01:46.44 | logixoul | i have, sorta |
| 01:46.48 | logixoul | Rated-R: btw i've been called a troll just once, and it turned out they were right actually. |
| 01:46.50 | logixoul | funny |
| 01:46.55 | Rated-R | ok, but it's really silly, maybe funny for somes few years ago |
| 01:47.23 | logixoul | the word troll? |
| 01:47.38 | Rated-R | no, to make "troll" |
| 01:47.48 | antiNeo | I asked this yesturday, but... in fluxbox, when I try to print with kde apps (i.e. konqueror), it won't print. it doesn't give an error. but with abiword it will print. When I run startkde, kde apps do print. what's going on? |
| 01:47.56 | logixoul | Rated-R: it's a verb already, "to troll" :) |
| 01:48.10 | Rated-R | logixoul: i know, but i prefer to avoid it :p |
| 01:48.54 | logixoul | antiNeo: i've had the same problem with openbox, i'll try to recall how i fixed it |
| 01:49.03 | antiNeo | logixoul: ohh, good |
| 01:49.52 | logixoul | Rated-R: well it's silly by definition :) |
| 01:49.56 | Rated-R | hehe |
| 01:51.04 | Rated-R | well, so, look with me for the bastard who invented this trend!!! |
| 01:51.30 | logixoul | trolls've been around since the dawn of time, just weren't called this |
| 01:51.56 | logixoul | antiNeo: so, konqueror wouldn't print but ooo would. hmm, i think i couldn't fix it at all. or maybe i launched kded or something... |
| 01:52.04 | Renze | if only they turned to stone in daylight like Tolkien's ones :D |
| 01:52.19 | logixoul | yeah! |
| 01:52.20 | antiNeo | logixoul: kded is running right now... :-/ |
| 01:53.10 | antiNeo | when i try to run another kded, I get this error: kded: error while loading shared libraries: libQtXml_debug.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:53.19 | Rated-R | antiNeo: It's not a troll, you know my position about this shit', but why fluxbox? |
| 01:53.36 | antiNeo | Rated-R: because it's light weight and it has tabs |
| 01:53.42 | logixoul | good point |
| 01:53.52 | antiNeo | Rated-R: and I still use kde apps heavily |
| 01:54.07 | Rated-R | light? but you loads anyway all the kde stuff |
| 01:54.25 | logixoul | Rated-R: no kwin though |
| 01:54.56 | Rated-R | ok, kwin, but kwin it's not a stone |
| 01:55.06 | antiNeo | yeah, I don't like kwin much. it tends to get in the way when all I want is a shell |
| 01:55.19 | Rated-R | good point |
| 01:55.43 | logixoul | i haven't noticed that... |
| 01:55.45 | Rated-R | it goes in the sens of my paper |
| 01:55.56 | logixoul | antiNeo, try using kprinter in some way |
| 01:56.41 | logixoul | see its numerous commandline options and play with them |
| 01:56.54 | logixoul | (yes, i remember, i couldn't fix it back then) |
| 01:56.55 | Rated-R | logixoul: so why don't you use kwin? |
| 01:57.14 | logixoul | Rated-R: i do since 2005 |
| 01:57.30 | Rated-R | sorry, i though you was again under OpenBox |
| 01:57.53 | logixoul | openbox was just for dad's dusty 486 actually :p |
| 01:58.18 | Rated-R | damn, offer a decent computer to your father :) |
| 01:58.33 | logixoul | he's the one with the cash :) |
| 01:58.40 | antiNeo | there's no reason one shouldn't/can't use any window manager of their choice. that's what makes linux so great, all the choices |
| 01:58.47 | logixoul | sure |
| 01:59.04 | Rated-R | antiNeo: i don't impose... |
| 01:59.22 | antiNeo | i know |
| 01:59.38 | Rated-R | then, why this notice? :p |
| 01:59.59 | antiNeo | you got me there :s |
| 02:00.30 | antiNeo | but... I didn't direct it at you, neccicarally... |
| 02:00.49 | Rated-R | too late, you are done! (i'm kidding) |
| 02:00.55 | antiNeo | bah! |
| 02:01.35 | antiNeo | silly kdeprint. I have this new printer and the only reason I can't print is a software issue :-( |
| 02:01.51 | logixoul | tried kprinter? |
| 02:01.55 | Rated-R | you could use the lpr command |
| 02:02.10 | antiNeo | logixoul: yeah. I tried to print a .ps file, but it didn't work |
| 02:02.14 | Rated-R | by the past i did that with mozilla, gimp, and some stuff |
| 02:02.30 | Rated-R | the time when i was under fluxbox |
| 02:02.37 | antiNeo | Rated-R: but I want to print inside of konqueror, not using a command... |
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| 02:03.20 | Rated-R | yes, i didn't use the command from shell, but from the apps |
| 02:03.35 | antiNeo | mmmm... |
| 02:03.41 | Rated-R | i don't know if you can especially with konqueror |
| 02:03.50 | antiNeo | but does lpr use cups?! |
| 02:03.51 | Rated-R | let's take a look |
| 02:03.55 | Rated-R | yes |
| 02:03.58 | antiNeo | sure you can... in the kcontrol... |
| 02:04.58 | logixoul | antiNeo: try something other than cups |
| 02:05.05 | Rated-R | no cups is good |
| 02:05.18 | antiNeo | :-OOO |
| 02:05.21 | antiNeo | lpr worked :-D |
| 02:05.22 | Rated-R | i mean |
| 02:05.35 | antiNeo | does lpr use cups as a backend, though? |
| 02:05.43 | logixoul | all hail Rated-X |
| 02:05.45 | logixoul | s/X/R/ |
| 02:05.56 | antiNeo | LOL |
| 02:06.08 | antiNeo | logixoul: does your wife know about this? ;-P |
| 02:06.14 | Roey | LOL |
| 02:06.17 | Rated-R | hehe, logixoul "R" means X in french :) |
| 02:06.30 | Rated-R | i mean the "symbol" |
| 02:06.36 | logixoul | antiNeo: not before i turn 18 anyhow :p |
| 02:07.37 | logixoul | why the face, this rules. i don't have no stinkin job, so all is groovy and delicious |
| 02:08.05 | logixoul | j/k |
| 02:08.10 | Rated-R | well, what i mean with cups, i used it with fluxbox and the lpr tricks...in fact, if i remind me well, cups "captures" the lpr command |
| 02:08.12 | antiNeo | I'm getting tired of school. too much homework, I have like a 9 hour work day :-( |
| 02:08.25 | antiNeo | ahh |
| 02:09.03 | antiNeo | that's stupid, though. it should "Just work"[tm] |
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| 02:09.21 | Rated-R | no it doesn't |
| 02:09.23 | Rated-R | :) |
| 02:09.28 | antiNeo | and when i'm using lpr, I can't set the color, quality settings :-( |
| 02:09.38 | logixoul | it's not stupid, the word is undermaintained. |
| 02:10.14 | antiNeo | *that's undermaintained, tough. it should "Just work"[tm] |
| 02:10.17 | antiNeo | happy? |
| 02:10.31 | antiNeo | *though... |
| 02:10.38 | logixoul | dreadfully |
| 02:10.58 | Rated-R | yes you can, but i don't remind me, sorry |
| 02:14.43 | Rated-R | but really... kde apps are really powerful in a full "kde" environment |
| 02:15.05 | logixoul | which is unfortunate |
| 02:15.16 | logixoul | that it's exclusive, that is |
| 02:15.44 | Rated-R | it's an opinion to say it's unfortunate |
| 02:16.24 | logixoul | what else could it be?! anything anyone says is an opinion. |
| 02:16.45 | logixoul | this was an opinion too |
| 02:18.41 | Rated-R | :) |
| 02:18.52 | logixoul | :) |
| 02:18.58 | Rated-R | i'm mean, kde was designed to be used in this way |
| 02:19.24 | logixoul | yes, but assuming we had infinite manpower this was a wrong decision |
| 02:19.35 | Rated-R | it's normal you'll get some "flaws" if you use it in another way |
| 02:19.58 | Rated-R | i don't know, i find it's a good choice |
| 02:20.11 | logixoul | a window manager shouldn't have anything to do with printing. |
| 02:20.23 | Rated-R | i like the way all kde apps are interconnected |
| 02:20.30 | logixoul | me too |
| 02:20.38 | logixoul | that's why i switched from gnome |
| 02:20.52 | logixoul | after a whopping 3 days of use |
| 02:20.54 | Rated-R | kde isn't a WM, is a Desktop... |
| 02:21.04 | logixoul | so? |
| 02:21.11 | Rated-R | so it's different |
| 02:21.31 | logixoul | please tell me you aren't thinking gnome is a wm. |
| 02:22.25 | Rated-R | i don't know what gnome is... really, after 2.00, gnome is gone in a weird direction |
| 02:23.07 | logixoul | gnome=an international effort to create an easy-to-use computing platform built entirely from free software |
| 02:23.17 | logixoul | keywords: computing platform |
| 02:23.20 | Rated-R | logixoul: they failed |
| 02:23.28 | logixoul | sure they did |
| 02:23.44 | logixoul | computing platform=wm+fm+etc |
| 02:23.52 | logixoul | +libs |
| 02:23.55 | logixoul | +hig |
| 02:23.55 | Rated-R | no in fact, they succeed, succeed to take user for more idiot again |
| 02:24.09 | logixoul | i disagree |
| 02:24.32 | Rated-R | what the hell is the meaning of easier? |
| 02:24.36 | logixoul | their feature-cutting never bothered me. it's just the disorganizaton |
| 02:24.46 | Rated-R | really, i'm not superman, i'm pretty common |
| 02:24.59 | logixoul | easier=requires less effort to achieve what you want |
| 02:25.28 | Rated-R | limitating choice isn't a way to make stuff easier |
| 02:25.39 | logixoul | why? |
| 02:25.54 | Rated-R | by definition, it's limitating |
| 02:26.21 | Rated-R | cause, each user is different |
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| 02:26.39 | Rated-R | so, the only way: give more choice |
| 02:26.44 | logixoul | no |
| 02:26.50 | logixoul | there's another way |
| 02:26.57 | logixoul | cut choice nobody needs |
| 02:27.49 | Rated-R | that is? |
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| 02:28.14 | logixoul | i'm not a statist, it's not my job to know |
| 02:28.43 | logixoul | you have an example of gnome cutting a feature someone needs? |
| 02:29.11 | Rated-R | i should think everyone should take the time to "customize" their tools, that's it |
| 02:29.26 | Rated-R | and if we let the ability to do that, it's okay |
| 02:30.30 | Rated-R | logixoul: i don't use gnome, the last time, on ubuntu, it makes me crazy to find some trivial stuff |
| 02:30.41 | logixoul | what if the time/efforts spent on customization beat the resulting convenience? |
| 02:31.18 | canllaith | Last time I checked this was #kde, which is a user support channel :) |
| 02:31.34 | Rated-R | canllaith: then? |
| 02:31.44 | logixoul | i thought it was okay to blabber since nobody else talked |
| 02:31.49 | logixoul | but okay, sorry for that |
| 02:32.06 | Rated-R | Is there another channel speaking about KDe and its cons and pros? |
| 02:32.20 | canllaith | Arguing about gnome is generally a pretty good way to start a flamewar. I prefer to not let them start in the first place :) |
| 02:32.52 | logixoul | kay |
| 02:32.54 | Rated-R | don't worry |
| 02:33.05 | RubeeRoo | KDE > gnome |
| 02:33.10 | Rated-R | trollers are sleeping |
| 02:33.23 | logixoul | U ARE AN IDIOT GNOME RULEZZZZZZZ |
| 02:33.29 | logixoul | mwahaha |
| 02:33.30 | logixoul | ... |
| 02:33.32 | logixoul | sorry |
| 02:33.33 | RubeeRoo | dieslow! |
| 02:33.43 | Rated-R | damn, logixoul, not you.... even for kiddin' |
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| 02:34.08 | logixoul | good night, or more like good morning now |
| 02:34.16 | Rated-R | ok |
| 02:34.21 | Rated-R | hehe |
| 02:34.28 | Rated-R | that's it |
| 02:34.49 | Rated-R | he haven't finished his point |
| 02:35.00 | Rated-R | well... who cares |
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| 02:35.18 | Rated-R | canllaith: don't worry about troll, you have the Power |
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| 02:36.29 | Rated-R | so, goodnight too, i have to wake up in 3hours |
| 02:36.40 | Rated-R | cheers |
| 02:38.21 | Kaladar | Has any had this error: When clicking the K menu (kicker?) a window appears saying "Malformed URL system:/" |
| 02:38.48 | Kaladar | has anyone* .. sorry |
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| 02:47.22 | Half-Left | WHO goes there!! |
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| 02:50.19 | slop|kara | how do i change a user's permissions so that they can only access files within their home directory? |
| 02:52.29 | Jucato | slop|kara: normally, regular users don't have access to the home directories of other users. also, you change the permission of files/directories of other users to be unreadable by "others" |
| 02:53.08 | slop|kara | Jucato, so a regular user on my computer doesn't have access to any system files, either? |
| 02:53.19 | Jucato | definitely |
| 02:53.31 | Jucato | they have to be root to access anything outside of /home |
| 02:53.41 | slop|kara | Jucato, excellent. thank you. :) |
| 02:55.36 | Kaladar | Has anyone had this error: When clicking the K-menu a window appears saying "Malformed URL system:/" (KDE 3.5.2) |
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| 02:56.13 | Renze | Kaladar: I can't say I've ever seen that particular error |
| 02:57.35 | Roey | Jucato: interesting nick, btw |
| 02:57.44 | Roey | Jucato: that it's a combination of your names :) |
| 02:57.48 | Renze | Kaladar: missing package for your distro, maybe? |
| 02:57.53 | Jucato | Roey: heheh thanks :) |
| 02:58.08 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.44 | Roey | hehe |
| 02:59.13 | Jucato | nah don't worry. I do that, too :) |
| 03:01.13 | Roey | =) |
| 03:01.24 | Roey | wow. |
| 03:01.33 | Roey | you have, like, the quintessential Latino name, ya know? |
| 03:01.52 | Roey | or Castillian for that matter |
| 03:01.54 | Jucato | hehehe... Hispanic. but not Latino :P |
| 03:02.03 | Roey | ahhhhh |
| 03:02.13 | Roey | lemme guess |
| 03:02.14 | Roey | argentina |
| 03:02.16 | Jucato | I'm Asian actually. hehehe! |
| 03:02.20 | Roey | oh? |
| 03:02.21 | Roey | from where? |
| 03:02.23 | Roey | where ar eyou?? |
| 03:02.33 | Renze | Phil I. Pines |
| 03:02.36 | Roey | I thougth so :) |
| 03:02.38 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:02.57 | Roey | I didn't know you guys identified with Hispanics |
| 03:03.00 | Jucato | Renze: doesn't sound correct if you spell it that way. hehehe |
| 03:03.08 | Renze | Jucato: I know :P |
| 03:03.11 | Jucato | Roey: we were a Spanish colony |
| 03:03.15 | Roey | well right. |
| 03:03.36 | Roey | for that matter, is there anything to being hispanic aside form speaking spanish natively, as a byproduct of growing up in your culture |
| 03:03.36 | Roey | ? |
| 03:03.38 | Roey | i.e. |
| 03:03.42 | Roey | if your culture speaks Spanish |
| 03:03.45 | Roey | then you are Hispanic |
| 03:03.49 | Roey | yes? |
| 03:03.50 | Jucato | a Spanish Colony, an American Commonwealth, a Japanese occupied territory, and now... |
| 03:03.53 | Renze | ¡ay caramba! |
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| 03:04.26 | Jucato | they stopped teaching Spanish in schools here decades ago, I think. |
| 03:04.30 | Jucato | now they teach English :P |
| 03:04.46 | Renze | muy bueno |
| 03:04.58 | Jucato | actually it's "muy bien" |
| 03:05.02 | Jucato | if you meant "very good" |
| 03:05.07 | Renze | whatever :) |
| 03:05.12 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:05.26 | Jucato | trei bien in French, iirc |
| 03:05.40 | Roey | is Tagolog a full language that can exist without the Spanish loanwords? |
| 03:05.44 | Roey | *tagalog |
| 03:06.04 | Roey | like, can you talk using only pure tagalog words |
| 03:06.07 | Roey | no spanish ones |
| 03:06.18 | Jucato | Roey: hard to say. Tagalog itself is highly influenced by Spanish. so even some words were taken from Spanish words |
| 03:06.25 | Roey | aye. |
| 03:06.26 | Jucato | the names of the days, for example |
| 03:06.29 | Roey | ok |
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| 03:06.44 | Roey | but do you guys have knowledge of the original words, for example? |
| 03:07.11 | Jucato | taking the example of the names for the days, I don't think we had any "original" words |
| 03:07.16 | Roey | ah |
| 03:07.19 | Jucato | or if we did, they were completely wiped out |
| 03:07.22 | Roey | :( |
| 03:07.27 | Roey | see that stuff makes me sad. |
| 03:08.04 | Jucato | Spain came during a time when the Filipino culture and language wasn't still fully developed. which made it a bit easier for them to put in lots of stuff |
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| 03:09.11 | slop | how do you disable the bouncing busy icon? |
| 03:09.24 | Renze | kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> launch feedback |
| 03:09.28 | Jucato | snap |
| 03:09.31 | Jucato | :P |
| 03:09.52 | Renze | no, you say snap when you've just said something very similar :P |
| 03:10.03 | slop | thanks :) |
| 03:10.13 | Renze | no problem |
| 03:10.33 | Jucato | Renze: I was about to |
| 03:10.35 | Roey | slop, snap, slop |
| 03:10.38 | Jucato | I just deleted theline and said snap |
| 03:10.42 | Jucato | "the line" |
| 03:10.44 | Renze | Roey: kinky ;) |
| 03:10.53 | Roey | KInky |
| 03:10.54 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:10.56 | Roey | drawing program |
| 03:10.57 | Roey | hahahaha |
| 03:11.19 | Renze | KInky - port of inkscape? ;) |
| 03:11.36 | Roey | well we do need a vector freehand drawing tool :) |
| 03:11.41 | Roey | that's what I was htihnking, right |
| 03:11.49 | Jucato | Roey: Karbon14? |
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| 03:11.59 | Roey | Jucato: does karbon14 have a freehand drawing tool? |
| 03:12.16 | Jucato | that I don't know. but it's a vector graphics app :( |
| 03:12.18 | Jucato | :) |
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| 03:16.39 | Roey | ah I suppose it does |
| 03:16.41 | Roey | I just checked |
| 03:16.43 | Roey | capgadget: hi! |
| 03:16.45 | Roey | long time no see! |
| 03:27.03 | RubeeRoo | nite all |
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| 03:54.40 | hollywoodb | anyone aware if KDE4 is planning support for xgl/aiglx natively, rather than using something like compiz or beryl ? |
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| 03:55.02 | Renze | already underway in the kwin composite branch |
| 03:55.46 | hollywoodb | cool :) my desktop is significantly more responsive using aiglx, but at the same time compiz looks "tacked on" to KDE 3.5 and beryl isn't spectacularly stable |
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| 03:56.41 | Renze | apparently the composite manager will be built into kwin instead of being separate |
| 03:57.48 | shadok | great I needed kwin's options :) |
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| 04:01.56 | Jucato | hm... I just noticed in the commit demographics, there's an 11.8% Unknown in the Sex (gender?) section... O_o |
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| 04:07.50 | naiad | anyone here use kde with dual monitors and mplayer? |
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| 05:34.08 | xsacha | hey, when i close konqueror (hitting X), it copies a url into my clipboard -- is this a known bug/feature? if it's a feature, how do i stop it? |
| 05:35.05 | xsacha | it might just be the website i am at when i exit |
| 05:35.38 | edward_ | are you hiding something? |
| 05:35.42 | edward_ | xD |
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| 05:36.48 | Renze | xsacha: doesn't happen here... maybe check your klipper settings? |
| 05:37.30 | xsacha | is it meant to warn me when a site forces to copy to clipboard? |
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| 05:38.29 | xsacha | to reproduce: go to http://imageshack.us upload an image, copy the image URL then close the window |
| 05:38.43 | xsacha | if you paste after closing, the result will be: http://load.imageshack.us instead of the link to the image |
| 05:39.16 | xsacha | if you paste and then close it seems to keep the original url |
| 05:39.37 | Renze | xsacha: again, doesn't happen here... the only URL in the clipboard is the one I highlighted |
| 05:40.00 | xsacha | hmm |
| 05:41.30 | xsacha | doesnt happen on any other browser |
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| 05:49.53 | blackelf | hi |
| 05:49.58 | blackelf | can I debug a key pressed |
| 05:50.08 | blackelf | for some reason win+M key shortcut do not work |
| 05:50.26 | blackelf | I want to ebug the patch the it takes (like checking global hotkeys, winow hot keys, and so on) |
| 05:50.27 | linux_galore | xsacha: just tried it in konqueror and works fine |
| 05:50.50 | xsacha | maybe it's just the direct link, i'll do more testing later -- what version did you use? |
| 05:51.00 | edward_ | blackelf: try xev |
| 05:51.04 | linux_galore | 3.4.2 |
| 05:51.15 | xsacha | im on 3.5.5 too, hmm |
| 05:52.14 | blackelf | the damn global shortcuts do not work |
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| 05:56.49 | roflcaustlol | you know a lot more people would use KDE if it didn't come with a bouncing icon by default |
| 05:57.03 | xsacha | easy to turn off |
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| 05:57.14 | Renze | mind-numbingly easy to turn off |
| 05:57.15 | roflcaustlol | xsacha: yes, but that's beside the point |
| 05:57.18 | roflcaustlol | true |
| 05:57.35 | roflcaustlol | all true and valid points, but I still stand firm behind my opinion |
| 05:57.39 | edward_ | gnome is for people like that |
| 05:57.40 | Renze | people that stay with defaults need their heads in a vise |
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| 05:57.52 | Renze | or use gnome... same effect |
| 05:58.15 | blackelf | roflcaustlol: ladies like it |
| 05:58.31 | blackelf | man know how to turn off |
| 05:58.34 | blackelf | every1 happy |
| 05:58.38 | edward_ | :> |
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| 05:58.51 | roflcaustlol | hey don't hate on gnome, in the end gnome and kde is almost the same, just kde has better apps and takes advantage of prelinking and uses less memory and is better |
| 05:59.15 | xsacha | it could just detect gender during install process of distro (how you move your mouse?) and turn it off depending on gender then :P |
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| 06:20.34 | geckosenator | hi, I ran configure in kde-base, and it can't find kde-config |
| 06:20.45 | geckosenator | how am I supposed to have kde-config before I even start? |
| 06:20.57 | Renze | kdelibs comes first |
| 06:20.59 | geckosenator | oh |
| 06:21.08 | geckosenator | anything else? |
| 06:21.15 | Renze | qt |
| 06:21.23 | Renze | arts (if you want it) |
| 06:21.44 | Renze | there are instructions on how to build KDE from source on the kde website |
| 06:21.55 | geckosenator | ok |
| 06:21.58 | geckosenator | what does arts have? |
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| 06:22.38 | Renze | arts is a sound server, which you may or may not need depending on your hardware |
| 06:22.54 | geckosenator | i doubt i want it |
| 06:22.59 | geckosenator | i already have qt |
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| 06:23.05 | Renze | http://developer.kde.org/build/stable.html |
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| 06:24.15 | Renze | geckosenator: it has to be qt3. kde will not build against qt4 yet |
| 06:24.23 | Renze | unless you're building trunk |
| 06:25.22 | geckosenator | crap |
| 06:25.36 | geckosenator | all i want is the webbrowser |
| 06:25.42 | geckosenator | is there a way to make it work without kde? |
| 06:25.49 | xsacha | konqueror? |
| 06:25.51 | geckosenator | yes |
| 06:26.04 | geckosenator | maybe i will get trunk |
| 06:26.04 | Renze | no, it needs a fair amount of KDE stuff to work |
| 06:26.09 | Renze | all of kdelibs |
| 06:26.13 | geckosenator | ok |
| 06:26.17 | Renze | trunk is horribly unstable |
| 06:26.23 | geckosenator | i'm screwed then |
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| 06:28.33 | geckosenator | i'm going to go with trunk |
| 06:28.50 | Renze | it will crash a lot |
| 06:29.19 | Renze | what do you just need konqueror for? |
| 06:30.12 | Renze | if you're just after the renderer, then the part you want is khtml |
| 06:31.45 | geckosenator | hmm |
| 06:31.52 | geckosenator | i want to go to websites |
| 06:32.01 | geckosenator | I already have qt4 working |
| 06:32.40 | Renze | it would be far easier to use firefox or opera than try to split konqueror out of kde |
| 06:33.04 | geckosenator | well I can't run firefox or opera |
| 06:33.09 | geckosenator | i'm using qtopia |
| 06:33.10 | Renze | why not? |
| 06:33.13 | Renze | oh |
| 06:33.26 | Renze | isn't there a browser in qtopia already? |
| 06:33.32 | geckosenator | not that I know of |
| 06:33.37 | geckosenator | but maybe |
| 06:33.46 | Renze | or rather in Opie? |
| 06:34.13 | geckosenator | i am reading that is says opera works |
| 06:34.49 | Renze | trust me... getting opera working in qtopia is a LOT easier than trying to split konqueror out of KDE |
| 06:35.15 | geckosenator | ok |
| 06:35.26 | geckosenator | is opera open source? |
| 06:35.33 | Renze | no |
| 06:35.39 | geckosenator | then it isn't going to work |
| 06:35.48 | Renze | why not? |
| 06:36.03 | geckosenator | well first of all I don't run proprietary software |
| 06:36.23 | geckosenator | and the only downloads I can find are for phones |
| 06:36.50 | xsacha | firefox? |
| 06:36.54 | xsacha | oh you want khtml |
| 06:37.02 | geckosenator | is khtml a browser? |
| 06:37.14 | xsacha | no |
| 06:37.20 | Renze | khtml is the renderer used by konqueror |
| 06:37.31 | geckosenator | it sounds like I want konqueror |
| 06:37.36 | xsacha | wondering why you need konqueror.. joined this convo late |
| 06:37.42 | Renze | geckosenator: you might want to seek help in #kde-devel |
| 06:37.54 | geckosenator | xsacha: for a webbrowser :-P |
| 06:37.59 | geckosenator | Renze: ok thanks |
| 06:38.00 | Renze | xsacha: he wants to use konqueror (and only konqueror) in qtopia |
| 06:38.12 | geckosenator | well I might want other programs at some point |
| 06:38.17 | geckosenator | but right now that's right |
| 06:38.33 | Renze | you will need qt3, kdelibs, and kdebase at the minimum |
| 06:38.51 | Renze | unless you want to use trunk, or one of the developer previews |
| 06:38.55 | Renze | which will crash a LOT |
| 06:39.34 | geckosenator | well afaik qtopia-core is qt4 only |
| 06:39.57 | Renze | then get ready for stuff not working, and lots of crashing |
| 06:40.46 | geckosenator | well qt4 is stable right? |
| 06:40.52 | geckosenator | just kdelibs trunk isn't |
| 06:41.02 | xsacha | stable? :S |
| 06:41.03 | Renze | qt4 is, yes... kde stuff ported to qt4 isn't stable yet |
| 06:41.29 | geckosenator | do I need kdebase trunk too? |
| 06:41.46 | Renze | geckosenator: for qt4, you will need trunk everything |
| 06:41.55 | Renze | nothing in stable KDE will build against qt4 |
| 06:41.57 | geckosenator | except qt |
| 06:42.03 | xsacha | Qtopia greenphone :D http://qtopia.net/modules/devices/ |
| 06:42.18 | Renze | geckosenator: qtopia platform supplies a browser |
| 06:42.21 | geckosenator | i'm getting cmake trunk :-P |
| 06:42.27 | geckosenator | Renze: qtopia-core? |
| 06:42.39 | Renze | no, qtopia-platform |
| 06:42.46 | geckosenator | ok, i'm suing qtopia-core |
| 06:43.26 | Renze | geckosenator: then get ready for a lot of headaches |
| 06:43.52 | Renze | geckosenator: is there a reason you're not using qtopia-platform? |
| 06:44.16 | geckosenator | well I don't know |
| 06:44.44 | geckosenator | qtopia-core works.. I'm not even sure what the difference is |
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| 06:45.10 | Renze | qtopia-core is absolutely minimal... qtopia-platform supplies all the extra stuff |
| 06:45.19 | Renze | check www.trolltech.com for yourself |
| 06:45.38 | geckosenator | oh |
| 06:45.48 | geckosenator | should I uninstall core? |
| 06:45.57 | Renze | I have no idea... I've never used qtopia |
| 06:46.05 | Renze | I have no embedded devices |
| 06:46.27 | xsacha | http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/ |
| 06:48.35 | geckosenator | this isn't an embedded device |
| 06:49.22 | xsacha | what is it? |
| 06:49.27 | Renze | then why are you using qtopia? |
| 06:49.37 | Renze | qtopia is for embedded systems |
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| 06:50.44 | geckosenator | well qtopia works without x |
| 06:50.53 | Renze | KDE doesn't work without X |
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| 06:51.14 | geckosenator | kde can't work on top of qtopia? |
| 06:51.40 | Renze | certain components can, but pretty much all of KDE requires X |
| 06:52.31 | geckosenator | hmm |
| 06:52.33 | Renze | KDE is a desktop environment, after all |
| 06:52.48 | Renze | khtml works in qtopia, using a custom browser shell |
| 06:52.59 | Renze | konqueror will not |
| 06:53.00 | xsacha | using qtopia on a desktop? :S what does it look like? |
| 06:53.19 | geckosenator | xsacha: it looks exactly how you would expect |
| 06:53.20 | mdeanda | is there a way to catch a click on a url of a khtml part? i can catch an event that gets fired when the mouse goes over a link.. but can't figure out how to catch a click on a link. |
| 06:53.44 | xsacha | it's lightweight? |
| 06:53.49 | geckosenator | well I read somewhere that they packaged konquerer to work in qtopia |
| 06:53.54 | geckosenator | xsacha: yes |
| 06:54.03 | geckosenator | xsacha: designer takes almost a second to load :-/ |
| 06:54.06 | geckosenator | but I have a slow machine |
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| 06:54.14 | Renze | geckosenator: yes, there is a special version of konqueror for qtopia... the one in KDE will not work, however |
| 06:54.26 | geckosenator | Renze: oh cool, I can't seem to find the special version though |
| 06:54.27 | xsacha | hey root |
| 06:54.45 | Renze | geckosenator: I have no idea where it is, because I have no need for qtopia |
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| 06:55.40 | geckosenator | if I can find gtk wrappers for qt I can run that stuff too... |
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| 06:56.07 | Renze | there aren't any, afaik |
| 06:57.41 | geckosenator | well the configure script for kdebase has --enable-embedded switch |
| 06:58.01 | Renze | then use it |
| 06:58.16 | Renze | it probably won't build all the parts that need X |
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| 06:59.19 | geckosenator | I need cvs trunk of kdelibs first :-/ |
| 06:59.34 | Renze | svn, not cvs |
| 06:59.40 | geckosenator | oh right |
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| 07:16.46 | geckosenator | when your harddrive reads at 5mb/s you need to run embedded stuff |
| 07:19.27 | Renze | or enable DMA |
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| 07:38.30 | geckosenator | Renze: it is in udma5 mode |
| 07:38.46 | Renze | geckosenator: then why is it going so slow? |
| 07:38.51 | geckosenator | Renze: I have two identical harddrives, one reads at 50mb/s one at 5mb/s |
| 07:39.00 | geckosenator | and the one reading at 5mb/s gets 100x more interrupts |
| 07:39.01 | Renze | send the faulty one back |
| 07:39.08 | geckosenator | it's a little late for that |
| 07:39.17 | geckosenator | i have had it for 4 years |
| 07:39.27 | geckosenator | it used to be fast |
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| 07:39.39 | geckosenator | anyway I can't get konquerer to work |
| 07:39.40 | Renze | time to replace, then |
| 07:39.43 | geckosenator | yeah |
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| 07:39.59 | Renze | konqueror needs X |
| 07:40.02 | geckosenator | are there any programs that use khtml I can use? |
| 07:40.07 | WerdnaDesktop | I set my default browser to firefox, but links in X-chat insist on using konqueror. |
| 07:40.19 | Renze | the only ones I am aware of are all KDE apps and need X |
| 07:40.24 | WerdnaDesktop | Why must it express blatant disregard for the KDE settings? |
| 07:40.50 | geckosenator | Renze: well I got a special konqueror that doesn't need x |
| 07:40.59 | Renze | WerdnaDesktop: X-chat isn't a KDE app... It will not follow KDE settings. Check X-chat's settings. |
| 07:41.03 | geckosenator | Renze: but it was made for qt3 also.. I suppose I can downgrade |
| 07:41.21 | Renze | geckosenator: like I said... qt4 is for KDE4 only |
| 07:41.30 | WerdnaDesktop | hrm |
| 07:41.40 | WerdnaDesktop | Renze: then how does it know to use Konqueror? |
| 07:41.52 | Renze | WerdnaDesktop: no idea... I haven't used X-chat in years |
| 07:41.53 | geckosenator | Renze: do you know of any webbrowsers that use qt but not kde? |
| 07:42.01 | Renze | geckosenator: opera |
| 07:42.07 | geckosenator | WerdnaDesktop: i think xchat has its own settings |
| 07:42.10 | benJIman | opera doesn't use Qt for much, only dialogues etc |
| 07:42.17 | geckosenator | opera isn't for my platform though |
| 07:42.19 | Renze | dialogs and menu bar |
| 07:42.36 | benJIman | uses its own toolkit for most things |
| 07:42.53 | geckosenator | well there is khtml.. there aren't any other browsers that use that :-/ |
| 07:43.21 | geckosenator | maybe i should work on making firefox work instead |
| 07:43.40 | Renze | geckosenator: I think you will find that firefox needs X too |
| 07:43.48 | geckosenator | firefox uses cairo right? |
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| 07:44.01 | Renze | firefox uses XUL, with parts of gtk |
| 07:44.20 | geckosenator | doesn't firefox run on platforms without x? |
| 07:44.21 | Renze | gecko predates cairo by many years |
| 07:44.40 | geckosenator | well I heard that in the future firefox plans to only use cairo |
| 07:44.41 | Renze | not that I am aware of... but then I rarely use firefox |
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| 07:44.55 | geckosenator | so maybe i'll wait |
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| 07:45.20 | Renze | geckosenator: or get a real computer and install X and KDE ;) |
| 07:45.27 | geckosenator | yuck |
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| 07:45.35 | Renze | yuck? |
| 07:45.41 | geckosenator | i can't stand x |
| 07:46.06 | Renze | xorg is getting better all the time |
| 07:46.37 | WerdnaDesktop | ah, fixed it. |
| 07:46.39 | geckosenator | well it does stuff it shouldn't be doing |
| 07:46.40 | WerdnaDesktop | sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox |
| 07:46.46 | Renze | geckosenator: such as? |
| 07:46.51 | geckosenator | probe pci |
| 07:47.06 | Renze | WerdnaDesktop: ah, a (k)ubuntu user... you really should have asked in #kubuntu ;) |
| 07:47.13 | Renze | geckosenator: what's wrong with that? |
| 07:47.19 | WerdnaDesktop | yes, kubuntu. |
| 07:47.25 | Renze | geckosenator: it has to find video cards somehow |
| 07:47.44 | WerdnaDesktop | Kubuntu is probably where most of the KDE use comes from. |
| 07:48.06 | Renze | WerdnaDesktop: um, KDE is about 8-9 years older than Kubuntu ;) |
| 07:48.06 | geckosenator | Renze: it means x runs as root |
| 07:48.15 | benJIman | kubuntu has a tiny market share compared to the big distros |
| 07:48.20 | Renze | geckosenator: I still don't see your point |
| 07:48.28 | geckosenator | Renze: it's a huge security flaw |
| 07:48.36 | Renze | geckosenator: how so? |
| 07:48.37 | WerdnaDesktop | Renze: right. but a lot of KDE use comes from KDE, hmm? |
| 07:48.45 | geckosenator | Renze: there is more code in x running as root than in the linux kernel |
| 07:48.45 | Renze | WerdnaDesktop: um, what? |
| 07:48.58 | Renze | geckosenator: I still don't see your point |
| 07:49.01 | WerdnaDesktop | Renze: do you not understand, or do you disagree? |
| 07:49.15 | benJIman | KDE use on Debian,Mandriva,SUSE,even Fedora dwarf kubuntu |
| 07:49.17 | Renze | WerdnaDesktop: reread your last statement... it doesn't make sense as it is |
| 07:49.24 | geckosenator | Renze: that is one reason it is bad.. another is that I don't want to have multiple video drivers using the same card |
| 07:49.30 | WerdnaDesktop | meh, never mind. |
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| 07:50.37 | Renze | geckosenator: I still don't see your point ;) |
| 07:50.42 | geckosenator | Renze: then there is the lack of disk space, and bloat, and I really dislike windowing systems |
| 07:51.08 | Renze | geckosenator: bloat? |
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| 07:51.19 | Renze | geckosenator: xorg is split up now... it is no longer a monolithic package |
| 07:51.27 | Renze | you install the parts you need |
| 07:51.37 | geckosenator | Renze: well if you get rid of those parts it saves a lot of space |
| 07:51.58 | Renze | geckosenator: ah, I see... you're one of those "bloat" nazis |
| 07:52.13 | geckosenator | well not really, but I frequently run out of disk space |
| 07:52.22 | Renze | harddrives are very very cheap |
| 07:52.33 | geckosenator | i'm working on getting a new one |
| 07:52.49 | geckosenator | I find the user interface in x a lot harder to use as well |
| 07:53.04 | WerdnaDesktop | suit yourself? |
| 07:53.12 | Renze | X doesn't have a user interface... that is provided by whatever DE or WM you choose |
| 07:53.28 | geckosenator | Renze: well I can't find a wm that provides one I like |
| 07:53.45 | Renze | geckosenator: ratpoison sounds like something you would like |
| 07:53.52 | Renze | no windows |
| 07:53.54 | geckosenator | I have used it, it is not really so good |
| 07:54.03 | Renze | screen space is tiled |
| 07:54.14 | geckosenator | there is a lot of things you can do without x that you can do with it |
| 07:54.18 | geckosenator | er |
| 07:54.19 | Renze | geckosenator: so write one you like |
| 07:54.30 | geckosenator | no I like linux virtual terminals |
| 07:54.41 | Renze | so use vt's and leave us alone :P |
| 07:54.53 | geckosenator | i'm trying to figure out how to run kde under them |
| 07:54.54 | somekool | anyone have a 512MB laptop, use KDE and computer does not swap at all? I computer constantly use 200MB of swap |
| 07:54.54 | geckosenator | hehe |
| 07:55.04 | WerdnaDesktop | I don't think he was joking |
| 07:55.20 | geckosenator | WerdnaDesktop: I already got qt working :-P |
| 07:55.31 | Renze | somekool: I have 512MB on my desktop, and only swap when compiling stuff |
| 07:55.42 | geckosenator | i have 1024mb and it never swaps |
| 07:55.50 | geckosenator | I don't think it ever has |
| 07:55.51 | Renze | geckosenator: you hate windowing environments, and yet you're trying to get one working without X? |
| 07:57.03 | geckosenator | Renze: well I would not really be using it as a windowing system |
| 07:57.48 | geckosenator | well if it doesn't work.. it isn't that big of a deal I guess |
| 07:58.05 | geckosenator | I wanted to run kcachegrind... |
| 07:58.33 | Shirakawasuna | is there any way to get konqueror to ignore mplayerplug-in? |
| 07:58.49 | Shirakawasuna | I think it's causing konqueror to crash but I'd like it to use w/ firefox |
| 07:59.03 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: remove the path to mplayerplug-in from the list of directories to scan for plugins? |
| 07:59.15 | Shirakawasuna | If I disable the netscape dir it gets rid of flash support |
| 07:59.29 | Renze | then put flash somewhere else and point konq at it |
| 07:59.30 | Shirakawasuna | I suppose I could create a link to a different dir or something |
| 07:59.54 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 08:01.53 | Tomasu | could someone look at the folowing link and see if it makes konueror (3.5.5) use too much cpu? http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/588415/625883#target |
| 08:02.05 | Tomasu | I suspect it that odd avater that animates a little too fast |
| 08:02.32 | Renze | nope, fine here... and the avatar only blinks every couple of seconds |
| 08:02.56 | Tomasu | here I get konqueror peggging the cpu at 60-100% |
| 08:03.10 | Tomasu | starts out animating slow, but then just goes haywire |
| 08:03.11 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 08:03.19 | Shirakawasuna | good idea, Renze |
| 08:03.25 | Renze | ok, I'll keep that page open for a while |
| 08:03.32 | Tomasu | happens everytime I open in |
| 08:03.33 | Shirakawasuna | apparently it wasn't a lack of kmplayer that messed things up, it was mplayerplug-in |
| 08:03.35 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I'm full of good ideas :) |
| 08:03.37 | Tomasu | and pretty much right away |
| 08:03.45 | Shirakawasuna | stupid mplayerplug-in |
| 08:03.52 | Renze | Tomasu: then it works fine in 3.5.5 here |
| 08:04.13 | Shirakawasuna | if only it didn't work so well in firefox :) |
| 08:04.46 | Tomasu | then its possibly a gentoo bug.. but one thats been around for.. a couple versions.. |
| 08:04.52 | Renze | gentoo here too |
| 08:05.03 | Tomasu | wow. ok. no idea now |
| 08:05.07 | Renze | never seen any anim gifs going haywire |
| 08:05.08 | Tomasu | other people I know have the same issue. |
| 08:05.24 | Renze | check giflib, perhaps? use flags? |
| 08:05.27 | Tomasu | well its not exactly haywire, it just looks like its animating at 10x or 100x |
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| 08:05.52 | Renze | I still only get one blink every several seconds |
| 08:06.01 | Tomasu | two useflags on giflib, X and rle |
| 08:06.05 | Tomasu | does it even animate for you? |
| 08:06.17 | Tomasu | oh, you mean the squirrel? |
| 08:06.20 | Tomasu | I mena the one above it |
| 08:06.21 | Renze | yes |
| 08:06.31 | Shirakawasuna | sweet, kaffeine works again |
| 08:06.42 | Renze | there is no avatar above it for me |
| 08:06.46 | Tomasu | the black and white odd looking blotch thing |
| 08:06.58 | Renze | I get no avatar on the post above it |
| 08:07.07 | Tomasu | odd |
| 08:07.20 | Renze | I don't have rle on my giflib |
| 08:07.25 | Tomasu | neither do I |
| 08:07.36 | Tomasu | I'll upload the gif for you |
| 08:07.41 | Renze | 'k |
| 08:08.20 | Shirakawasuna | WerdnaDesktop: you use amarok for videos? |
| 08:08.47 | WerdnaDesktop | no |
| 08:09.00 | Tomasu | Renze: http://strangesoft.net/kentsavatar.gif |
| 08:09.16 | Renze | yep, it goes nuts |
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| 08:09.24 | Renze | bad gif |
| 08:09.50 | Tomasu | doesnt peg firefox. ;) |
| 08:09.50 | Renze | it's supposed to be a giraffe eating |
| 08:10.04 | Renze | then it must be a flaw in giflib |
| 08:10.13 | Renze | firefox doesn't use giflib |
| 08:10.20 | Renze | it has internal gif support |
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| 08:11.19 | Tomasu | ok, cant find a page for giflib, but esr's page leads to libungif? |
| 08:11.33 | Tomasu | giflib.org is mostly empty. |
| 08:12.07 | Renze | libungif has been deprecated |
| 08:12.17 | Renze | at least in gentoo |
| 08:12.24 | Renze | no longer in portage |
| 08:12.36 | Tomasu | trying to find somewhere to report the bug. |
| 08:12.44 | Tomasu | like a maintainer |
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| 08:13.43 | Tomasu | I like how the first google link mentioning giflib and gentoo is: Gentoo Linux Documentation -- giflib: Multiple vulnerabilities |
| 08:14.08 | Renze | heh |
| 08:14.19 | Renze | I think those have been patched |
| 08:14.35 | Tomasu | yup |
| 08:14.45 | Tomasu | twas from 2005, but it was still funny |
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| 08:15.44 | Renze | I have animated gifs that don't break |
| 08:15.56 | Renze | plus I have looked at plenty online that don't break |
| 08:15.58 | Shirakawasuna | are these vulnerabilities usually exploited or mostly found and fixed as precautions? |
| 08:16.00 | Renze | it seems to be just that one |
| 08:16.09 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: they are found and fixed |
| 08:16.10 | Tomasu | yeah, its just somehow, this one is causing an error. |
| 08:16.13 | Shirakawasuna | exploited with malicious intent, that is |
| 08:16.41 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: they're usually found before they're exploited |
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| 08:16.47 | Tomasu | and firefox does animate it at a normal speed |
| 08:16.52 | Shirakawasuna | ah, good |
| 08:17.10 | Renze | Tomasu: firefox is a "compatible" web browser... it allows stuff to be broken |
| 08:17.11 | Shirakawasuna | my linux partition makes me feel safe |
| 08:17.18 | Shirakawasuna | whenever I have to use windows it feels like I'm taking a risk |
| 08:17.22 | Tomasu | yes, and any good browser should as well. |
| 08:17.32 | Tomasu | otherwise it could only accept XHTML Strict |
| 08:17.36 | Renze | Tomasu: I would prefer broken stuff was fixed, personally |
| 08:17.40 | Tomasu | true |
| 08:17.48 | Tomasu | but you cant always make people fix things. |
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| 08:18.06 | Renze | sure you can... all you need is some large guys with baseball bats |
| 08:18.22 | Tomasu | actually, that would break things :P |
| 08:18.34 | Renze | only bones |
| 08:18.41 | Tomasu | maybe teeth |
| 08:18.41 | Renze | those can heal |
| 08:18.55 | Renze | teeth can be replaced |
| 08:19.02 | Tomasu | :P |
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| 08:20.11 | Tomasu | personally, if the gif loads, it should be fine. if it was truely "broken" giflib should have failed. |
| 08:20.26 | Renze | it's the animation timings that are reset after the first play through |
| 08:20.35 | peterbrett | Does anyone know where I can find some documentation of the format codes for kwrite's header & footer? |
| 08:20.37 | Renze | instead of being preserved |
| 08:20.55 | Tomasu | ok, and theres more than one set of timings for a gif? |
| 08:21.07 | Tomasu | isnt it up to the lib to preserve the first set of timings? |
| 08:21.14 | Tomasu | or the only set.. |
| 08:21.26 | Tomasu | im not toally clear on how gif works |
| 08:21.30 | Renze | Tomasu: each frame can have it's own timeout... plus the loop can have a timeout |
| 08:21.41 | Tomasu | yeah, and how do they change? |
| 08:21.55 | Renze | I'm not familiar with the gif file format... |
| 08:21.58 | Tomasu | it animates once or twice. |
| 08:22.17 | Renze | no, it animates once through at normal speed... then the timings get thrown out of wack |
| 08:22.42 | Tomasu | which seems odd, if theres only the one set of timings. for each frame and the loop |
| 08:22.59 | Renze | I'm not familiar with the gif file format... there might be more settings possible |
| 08:23.15 | Tomasu | ok, I'll see where a gentoo bug report gets me. |
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| 08:38.01 | Shirakawasuna | gif looks fine to me |
| 08:38.04 | Shirakawasuna | in case you're wondering |
| 08:38.14 | Shirakawasuna | the problem is supposed to be the animation, correct? |
| 08:38.19 | Shirakawasuna | not the fact that it's ugly black and white |
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| 08:38.46 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: yes... it animates too fast after the first play |
| 08:39.06 | Shirakawasuna | hmmm |
| 08:39.10 | Shirakawasuna | it's not noticeably too fast here |
| 08:39.24 | Renze | it's playing as fast as the CPU will allow here |
| 08:39.38 | Shirakawasuna | so if I start compiling it should slow down? |
| 08:39.56 | Renze | I would guess so |
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| 08:41.10 | Shirakawasuna | nothing so far (compiling kdelibs) |
| 08:41.20 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps I just have different libs |
| 08:41.32 | Renze | amd64? |
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| 08:42.03 | Shirakawasuna | ah, I see |
| 08:42.06 | Shirakawasuna | I have giflib |
| 08:42.14 | Renze | I have giflib too |
| 08:42.17 | Shirakawasuna | I believe you mentioned that as being deprecated? |
| 08:42.18 | Shirakawasuna | no? |
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| 08:42.27 | Renze | no, libungif is deprecated |
| 08:42.29 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 08:42.34 | Renze | isn't even in portage any more |
| 08:42.35 | Shirakawasuna | on idea then |
| 08:42.42 | Shirakawasuna | I'm using konqueror |
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| 08:42.48 | Renze | so am I |
| 08:42.56 | houssem | hello ! |
| 08:43.03 | Shirakawasuna | it renders the exact same as firefox |
| 08:43.21 | Shirakawasuna | weirdness |
| 08:43.30 | Shirakawasuna | I think we have very similar systems, too |
| 08:43.43 | Shirakawasuna | so far as being mostly stable + kde 3.5.5 goes |
| 08:43.57 | houssem | i have created my own gfx theme and when i want to boot i have this error "the file pic1.jpg is too big". What's the probleme please ?? |
| 08:44.07 | Renze | plays normally in firefox, but too fast in konq |
| 08:44.10 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps it's hardware-dependent? |
| 08:44.21 | Renze | houssem: gfx theme for what? |
| 08:44.24 | Shirakawasuna | it goes crazy with a certain call on certain hardware |
| 08:44.26 | Shirakawasuna | ? |
| 08:44.31 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: who knows |
| 08:44.34 | Shirakawasuna | meh |
| 08:44.37 | Shirakawasuna | weirdness |
| 08:44.37 | houssem | Renze: for grub |
| 08:44.46 | Renze | houssem: um, this is #kde |
| 08:44.55 | Shirakawasuna | houssem: your problem is that the file is too big |
| 08:45.02 | Shirakawasuna | houssem: and the bootloader has nothing to do w/ kde |
| 08:45.11 | Renze | houssem: please ask in an appropriate channel |
| 08:45.28 | Renze | kde is a desktop environment, not an operating system |
| 08:45.30 | houssem | Renze: where please ?? |
| 08:45.43 | Renze | houssem: #grub perhaps? I don't know |
| 08:45.56 | WerdnaDesktop | or ##linux |
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| 08:45.59 | houssem | ok thanks |
| 08:46.02 | Renze | houssem: you might also want to try your distro channel |
| 08:46.33 | Shirakawasuna | looks like kubuntu |
| 08:46.39 | Shirakawasuna | ask in #kubuntu, houssem |
| 08:46.54 | Renze | and as far as I know grub bootsplashes are supposed to be gzipped xpm images, not jpg |
| 08:47.16 | Shirakawasuna | I haven't been able to make a grub bootsplash that isn't ugly as sin |
| 08:47.24 | houssem | Shirakawasuna: i have asked in #kubuntu and they suggested to me to ask here |
| 08:47.27 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I just use the gentoo default :) |
| 08:47.42 | Renze | houssem: then the person who suggested it is a moron... KDE has nothing to do with grub |
| 08:48.10 | houssem | Renze: yes certenly |
| 08:50.00 | Renze | houssem: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ |
| 08:51.11 | Renze | houssem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30341.html |
| 08:51.22 | houssem | wow ! thaks Renze it's a good tutorial !! |
| 08:51.32 | Renze | google is useful |
| 08:51.51 | houssem | Renze: yes of course |
| 08:52.15 | houssem | Renze: you should also be a member in the #grub channel ::) |
| 08:52.28 | Renze | why? I rarely ever reboot my computer |
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| 08:52.37 | Renze | only when I have built a new kernel |
| 08:53.12 | houssem | Renze: built a new kernel ? why not ! |
| 08:53.24 | unsrat1109 | debian |
| 08:53.35 | unsrat1109 | install pppoe static ip |
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| 08:54.22 | logixoul | are konq's user stylesheets limited to simple stuff like font face/color or can i do all kinds of stuff with them? |
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| 08:54.51 | Renze2 | damn freenode |
| 08:55.29 | logixoul | Renze: hi, ever used custom konq stylesheets? |
| 08:55.36 | Renze | logixoul: nope |
| 08:55.42 | logixoul | :/ |
| 08:55.47 | Renze | never needed to |
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| 09:11.23 | abuyazan | hello |
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| 09:11.49 | abuyazan | i want to configure my laptop sound key on kde |
| 09:12.06 | abuyazan | i cannot find where i can change or do that |
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| 09:12.26 | logixoul | kcontrol->regional&accessibility |
| 09:12.42 | logixoul | ->keyboard shortcuts |
| 09:13.03 | logixoul | wait, what's the key supposed to do? |
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| 09:22.25 | shinobi2 | the calendar in k-menu, how can i shift the saturday over to the first column? |
| 09:23.06 | shinobi2 | right now the format is, mon, tue, wed....sat, sun, i want to change it to sat, mon....sun |
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| 09:24.04 | Renze | shinobi2: kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> country/region & language, time & dates, tab, first day of the week dropdown |
| 09:24.28 | Renze | s/dates, tab/dates tab/ |
| 09:25.27 | shinobi2 | Renze: cool, thx |
| 09:25.31 | shinobi2 | thx apt too |
| 09:25.34 | Renze | shinobi2: no problem |
| 09:26.05 | shinobi2 | =)... haha , give me a break |
| 09:26.21 | annma | I beg your pardon? |
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| 09:30.37 | shinobi2 | yes!!! calendar looks good!!! |
| 09:34.55 | annma | ;) |
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| 10:19.11 | bline | Is there any way to use a different panel per desktop? I think that would be very useful |
| 10:20.08 | bline | A different kicker with different conf on my coding dektop than on my ircing desktop for example. That way I can optimize things very well depending on what takes I am doing. |
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| 10:20.21 | bline | s/dektop/desktop/ |
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| 10:28.59 | shadok_ | four kicker would be cool but a bit heavy |
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| 10:32.19 | bline | Why heavy? |
| 10:32.39 | bline | Multiple kickers setting around, I got lots of ram :) |
| 10:33.06 | bline | kicker isn't that big anyway |
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| 10:38.57 | abuyazan | logixoul: sorry i wasnt here |
| 10:39.31 | lnxkde | bline: screeny please :D |
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| 10:39.48 | abuyazan | i want to define sound keys, increase volume decrease volume, mute logixoul |
| 10:40.17 | shadok_ | bline: i have lots of ram too but i don't like occupying it :p |
| 10:40.54 | AegeanLinux | shadok_: what about others though? |
| 10:41.37 | shadok_ | they hate multiples kickers :p |
| 10:41.50 | AegeanLinux | I like the idea |
| 10:41.58 | shadok_ | me too |
| 10:42.06 | AegeanLinux | just as long as if I do not use it ity does not use *any* extra ram |
| 10:42.19 | shadok_ | hehe |
| 10:42.41 | shadok_ | switching to e16 with kicker someone ? ^^ |
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| 10:44.54 | lnxkde | http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/825/lnxkdekdepd2.png <---- Look for KDE 3.5.5 on the upcoming realese of VLOS linux (vidalinux.com) |
| 10:45.00 | lnxkde | I has two kickers |
| 10:45.03 | lnxkde | it* |
| 10:45.52 | Sho_ | lnxkde: two panels != two kickers |
| 10:45.57 | shadok_ | maybe there is an option in kickerrc for it to appears only on one desktop or something like that |
| 10:46.14 | Sho_ | lnxkde: You can let one kicker show multiple panels at different screen positions |
| 10:46.26 | benJIman|work | you might be able to do it by telling kwin to only show on one display. |
| 10:46.39 | shadok_ | ah yes :) |
| 10:46.45 | lnxkde | Sho_ dint know :9 |
| 10:47.08 | Sho_ | lnxkde: Right click -> Add new panel |
| 10:47.15 | lnxkde | that is what I did |
| 10:47.16 | lnxkde | :( |
| 10:47.25 | lnxkde | I thinked it was 2 kickers |
| 10:47.26 | lnxkde | :p |
| 10:47.34 | shadok_ | is there some "officials mockups" for kicker in kd ?e |
| 10:47.35 | lnxkde | well I have just one kicker then |
| 10:47.35 | lnxkde | ;0 |
| 10:47.53 | shadok_ | *kde |
| 10:47.56 | lnxkde | I have one kicker 2 panels :( |
| 10:48.05 | shadok_ | grr sorry *kde 4 (numpad desactivated ^^) |
| 10:48.07 | lnxkde | well then show me how 2 kickers look :) |
| 10:49.10 | Sho_ | shadok_: no |
| 10:49.12 | lnxkde | nevermind I have to take a nap |
| 10:49.34 | shadok_ | ok Sho_ (just dreaming :) ) |
| 10:50.38 | lnxkde | I have c++ class in 5 hrs but I have to be up in 2 hrs to make 5 c++ programs *(&$#&$%*#( dam that net income program! |
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| 10:55.28 | bline | I guess I could just start multiple instances of kde with kdm and switch between them with ctrl+alt+fX |
| 10:55.43 | bline | talk about heavy =) |
| 10:55.56 | eae | hi, sometimes my screen goes black when I don't touch keyboard and mouse for a while, and I have to press some button to have it return; how can I prevent this behavior? |
| 10:56.29 | hermier | eae, disable the screen saver |
| 10:56.54 | eae | hermier, I think it's disabled |
| 10:57.24 | eae | "start automatically" is not checked |
| 10:57.31 | hermier | eae, if it's not screen saver, it's power management then |
| 10:58.22 | shadok_ | bline: I use to have an local X and another over xdmcp on a second computer, that is great |
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| 10:59.18 | bline | No second computer here, I could use VMware in full screen mode if my vid card supported it! |
| 10:59.19 | eae | hermier, "enable display power management" is slaso unchecked |
| 10:59.32 | eae | also^ |
| 10:59.54 | hermier | eae, hmmmmm |
| 11:00.55 | hermier | eae, the last thing I see is that there is a term *power management* |
| 11:01.12 | hermier | eae, when you switch to console does it have the same beahviour ? |
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| 11:01.55 | eae | hmm now that I think about it, probably yes hermier |
| 11:02.11 | eae | so it's not a kde setting probably |
| 11:02.26 | hermier | eae, you are using a framebuffer X ? |
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| 11:02.50 | eae | no |
| 11:04.01 | hermier | eae, what driver are you using ? |
| 11:04.07 | eae | nvidia |
| 11:04.28 | hermier | eae, acpi enabled maybe ? |
| 11:04.41 | eae | how can I check hermier ? |
| 11:04.58 | eae | and what is acpi? ^^ |
| 11:05.37 | hermier | eae, some kind of bios power management for device |
| 11:06.01 | hermier | eae, a standardized interface to control it |
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| 11:06.23 | eae | ah, so sould I check in my bios settings? or some kernel option? |
| 11:06.29 | eae | hermier, ^ |
| 11:06.34 | hermier | eae, wait |
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| 11:06.57 | hermier | eae, if you have acpi enabled I guess /proc/acpi/ should exist |
| 11:07.46 | hermier | eae, do you have something in /proc/acpi/video/ ? |
| 11:08.54 | eae | in /proc/acpi I have : button dsdt embedded_controller event fadt fan info power_resource processor thermal_zone |
| 11:08.57 | eae | hermier^ |
| 11:09.28 | hermier | eae, lunch time for me |
| 11:09.41 | eae | kk :) |
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| 11:10.30 | hermier | eae, if it's not acpi, it may be apm, anyway, it really seems that you have one kernel power management thing that disable the video card, for power management |
| 11:10.46 | hermier | eae, kernel thing not KDE related I think |
| 11:10.53 | hermier | eae, good day |
| 11:10.54 | eae | I see |
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| 11:14.55 | thibaut | re |
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| 11:34.40 | n3storm | hi everyone |
| 11:34.42 | n3storm | I have one resolution at kdm an another at my desktop |
| 11:34.44 | n3storm | I made a new user and this user haven't got this problem |
| 11:34.53 | n3storm | does anybody know where the config file about this is? |
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| 11:38.18 | benJIman|work | n3storm: you can configure in right click desktop -> configure -> display, I don't know what config file offhand |
| 11:38.50 | n3storm | benJIman|work: the problem is that the gui is messing the configuration |
| 11:39.02 | n3storm | I would like to delete this user preferences |
| 11:40.56 | AegeanLinux | Night all |
| 11:42.58 | xushi | argh.. i don't know why, i can't get javascript to work in konq at all |
| 11:43.13 | xushi | i have java and javascript allowed globally, as well as the domains entered in the list |
| 11:43.16 | xushi | the plugin loads |
| 11:43.19 | xushi | but it just wont work |
| 11:44.04 | xushi | Java Plug-in Java Plug-in KJAS for Konqueror kjavaappletviewer.so |
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| 11:45.06 | Russel | hiho |
| 11:45.20 | Russel | does kmail lock the imap box readonly? can i disable it? |
| 11:46.05 | xushi | hmm, maby it isn't javascript that's not working |
| 11:46.35 | lplatypus | how do I set the kde screensaver to turn off the monitor after a while? I thought there was a setting in the control centre, but I can't find it... |
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| 11:48.08 | n3storm | lplatypus: that is dpms |
| 11:48.17 | n3storm | at screen and monitor settings |
| 11:53.06 | xushi | n3storm: you can actually do that ? heh, strange why it never worked on my laptop |
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| 11:54.54 | xushi | n3storm: do you need the Vido support built in, in ACPI in the kernel ? |
| 11:55.59 | n3storm | oops |
| 11:56.15 | n3storm | acpi and apm and all that stuff is esoterism for me |
| 11:56.16 | n3storm | :D |
| 11:56.37 | n3storm | xushi: don't you have a laptop something package in your distro? |
| 11:57.13 | xushi | not for Sony Vaio laptops =/ |
| 11:57.15 | xushi | not even in the kernel |
| 11:57.57 | n3storm | :( |
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| 12:06.40 | abuyazan | where can i found moodin plugin for suse kde |
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| 12:08.27 | lplatypus | n3storm: yeah I've enabled DPMS in my X server... I can't find the DPMS option in the KDE control centre though... which section is it in? |
| 12:08.55 | n3storm | at the display and monitor section |
| 12:09.00 | n3storm | can you see it? |
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| 12:13.32 | lplatypus | hmm not yet... the top-level categories I have are "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", "KDE Components", "Peripherals", "Power Control", "Regional & Accessibility", "Security & Privacy", "Sound & Multimedia", "System Administration" |
| 12:15.03 | lplatypus | do you have a "Display" or "Monitor" subcategory under "Peripherals"? I don't have that, but perhaps I remember seeing it there in the past on another system? |
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| 12:17.21 | Sho_ | lplatypus: Usually it's Peripherals -> Display -> Power Control, yup |
| 12:18.19 | lplatypus | hmm I don't have the Display option... i'm using solaris btw so perhaps kde doesn't support that on solaris for some reason |
| 12:19.31 | lplatypus | not sure why though... it's the same Xorg server and nvidia drivers as are used on linux |
| 12:19.55 | lplatypus | (built for solaris obviously, but from the same code base) |
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| 12:24.31 | Sho_ | lplatypus: the kcm should be in kdebase, which I assume you have fully installed ..? |
| 12:25.10 | Sho_ | (kcm_energy.so) |
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| 12:26.07 | coyctecm | problems with Krita... I try open picture, krita crashes... |
| 12:26.17 | coyctecm | no matter what kind of picture |
| 12:26.57 | Sho_ | coyctecm: Does the crash handler dialog appear? |
| 12:27.10 | coyctecm | Sho_: yes it does |
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| 12:27.46 | Sho_ | coyctecm: Does it have a backtrace tab? If so, wait a moment for the backtrace to appear in the text field, and then put the contents in a pastebin and post the URL |
| 12:28.05 | coyctecm | Sho_: ok |
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| 12:29.14 | muteW | kdm takes about about a minute to start when in mode 4.. |
| 12:29.14 | muteW | Isnt that a tad bit too long. |
| 12:29.44 | Sho_ | muteW: It is indeed |
| 12:30.17 | coyctecm | Sho_: http://koti.mbnet.fi/coyctecm/krita.txt |
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| 12:30.34 | wkornewald | hi, how much traffic does the KDE repos need per month? does anyone know? |
| 12:30.57 | muteW | Running Slackware 10.2 on a 1.73GHz Pentium M with 768MB of RAM. |
| 12:32.06 | muteW | I have seen RedHat systems start xdm/kdm in 5-10 secs flat. |
| 12:32.47 | Sho_ | muteW: It's definitely abnormal; kdm starts in 2-3 seconds on this 2800+ |
| 12:33.24 | muteW | Anyway I could investigate what the problem is ? Some log output or something ? |
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| 12:41.52 | annma | muteW: Xsession-errors maybe |
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| 12:42.38 | coyctecm | Sho_: this happens only with jpeg images...I just noticed.. |
| 12:43.24 | annma | coyctecm: what problem? |
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| 12:52.47 | coyctecm | annma: when try to open pictures with krita...backtrace here: http://koti.mbnet.fi/coyctecm/krita.txt |
| 12:52.58 | annma | only jpeg you sqid |
| 12:54.10 | coyctecm | yes |
| 12:54.43 | coyctecm | sometimes with png:s too, but with png not so often |
| 12:54.48 | annma | works well here |
| 12:54.55 | annma | do you have gdb? |
| 12:55.01 | coyctecm | yes |
| 12:55.12 | annma | gdb krita then run then bt |
| 12:55.14 | coyctecm | I can try to debug it, sure |
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| 12:55.36 | annma | jpeg don't preview for me in kde 3.5.5 |
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| 12:55.40 | annma | in konq |
| 12:55.51 | annma | that's why when i saw jpeg I asked |
| 12:56.14 | annma | from the bt you pasted i cannot point the problem |
| 12:57.08 | annma | kix/fix |
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| 13:03.45 | coyctecm | annma: http://koti.mbnet.fi/coyctecm/krita_gdb.txt |
| 13:04.33 | annma | when it segfaults you should type: bt |
| 13:05.10 | annma | in gdb |
| 13:07.13 | coyctecm | ah sorry |
| 13:09.40 | annma | no problem |
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| 13:11.20 | coyctecm | http://koti.mbnet.fi/coyctecm/krita_gdb.txt |
| 13:11.34 | coyctecm | there is the whole thing |
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| 13:16.40 | annma | coyctecm: and all your other kde apps are OK? |
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| 13:17.55 | coyctecm | annma: Yes, i have't noticed any problems, well I check kolourpaint and others too |
| 13:18.09 | annma | i cannot make any sense of it :( |
| 13:19.04 | coyctecm | same here :/ |
| 13:19.21 | coyctecm | koluorpaint, kview and other seems to work fine |
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| 13:19.56 | coyctecm | I'll compile koffice my self.. it could be something wrong with this slackware packages from linuxpackages.net |
| 13:20.12 | coyctecm | package* |
| 13:20.43 | nescius | i have konqueror specific question: i want to merge location bar into main toolbar, but when i do so in konqueror.rc file, only "clear location" and go buttons appear |
| 13:21.17 | nescius | forgot to salute |
| 13:22.25 | eskatos | I'm developping a simple kde application that have only two screens : one for configuration, one for processing and then the app either ends or restart. What is the kde-way to present such an app ? Is a KWizard with two steps a good idea ? |
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| 14:04.18 | nescius | what do you think about this? http://nescius.dizgrafix.cz/images/konqueror-maintoolbar1.png |
| 14:04.45 | nescius | its konqueror ala firefox toolbae |
| 14:04.50 | nescius | *toolbar |
| 14:05.30 | Atoms | its nice |
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| 14:21.16 | squid0 | hi |
| 14:21.33 | squid0 | what's a good, modern mail client that's _light_ on memory? |
| 14:21.43 | squid0 | good features a plus |
| 14:23.27 | eSa| | hi, I'm using kde 3.5 from debian unstable. Is there a way to disable to kwin composite manager? I'm havin' problems with it enabled on xorg 7.1 and a voodoo3 2000 video card when running websites that uses the flash plugin |
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| 14:23.52 | thiago | squid0: mutt |
| 14:24.01 | squid0 | thiago: ok, thanks. |
| 14:24.07 | squid0 | any other suggestions, anyone? |
| 14:24.14 | eSa| | s/to/the |
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| 14:26.53 | goldenear | squid0: kmail ? :D |
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| 14:27.00 | bline | what's the name of the startup shell that is processed in ~/.kde? Just want to add ssh-agent. |
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| 14:27.56 | squid0 | goldenear: ok... i tihnk i've tried it. might be a bit too clunky for my liking... can't remember |
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| 14:28.43 | goldenear | squid0: you also can use a web based mail app such as imp |
| 14:28.59 | jacquesmerde | do more kde users use konquerer or opera for browsing? |
| 14:28.59 | thiago | bline: your question doesn't make sense. |
| 14:29.00 | thiago | jacquesmerde: Konqueror |
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| 14:29.08 | thiago | bline: are you asking how to make ssh-agent be loaded upon the KDE login? |
| 14:29.24 | squid0 | firefox!! |
| 14:29.26 | squid0 | :) |
| 14:30.00 | goldenear | jacquesmerde: Konqueror I guess... and firefox for websites incompatible with Konqueror. |
| 14:30.43 | jacquesmerde | is much incompatible with konqueror these days? i assume the konqueror devs work harder than the oddballs inventing new obscure web formats... |
| 14:31.02 | cuco | anyone using mailody here...? it does not even load here |
| 14:33.58 | goldenear | jacquesmerde: I've noticed that many sites are incompatible because of javascript |
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| 14:37.09 | goldenear | jacquesmerde: eg try this http://www.ip-calc.com/ |
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| 14:37.30 | goldenear | it works well with firefox and doesn't with Konqueror :( |
| 14:38.44 | dan2003 | hey guys.. really struggling! sinc my update from 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 kmail refuses to send any mail, sticking it all i outbox. Its been sugested that its trying to send via local transport, i couldnt find the option for that anywhere so deleted all my accounts and started gaain makesure to say no to that option. But it still wont work. Any ideas? |
| 14:38.46 | thiago | that's hardly Konqueror's fault |
| 14:39.25 | Theory | goldenear: what doesn't work about it? |
| 14:40.03 | goldenear | cuco: never eird about it before... but it may be the app squid0 is looking for :D |
| 14:40.30 | dan2003 | prior to the deleting and remaking of accounts it was confusing all my send transports, ie not sending via the specified transport.. and failing because my email servers were refusing to accept the mail from the emial address of a diferent account, but now it just fails silently |
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| 14:40.48 | goldenear | Theory: it doesn't make the calculation at page load |
| 14:41.17 | Theory | works for me |
| 14:41.19 | paoleela | Hello. Where can I place a .desktop file to get an application into K-menu? I placed it to ~/.local/share/applications/ but can't find it in k-menu. |
| 14:41.30 | thiago | goldenear: and it looks like it's working here. |
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| 14:41.58 | thiago | paoleela: that's the correct place |
| 14:42.08 | thiago | paoleela: what Category does your application have? |
| 14:42.48 | squid0 | ok... i just tried mutt... how about something with a GUI?? :) |
| 14:43.11 | thiago | squid0: KMail |
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| 14:43.20 | squid0 | ok. i'm tring that now |
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| 14:43.56 | paoleela | thiago: There is type=Application inside that file. |
| 14:44.38 | paoleela | thiago: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rhPhKU51.html |
| 14:45.16 | goldenear | thiago: what konq version do you have ? |
| 14:45.34 | thiago | paoleela: what is the value of Categories? |
| 14:45.36 | thiago | goldenear: 3.5.5 |
| 14:45.47 | goldenear | me too :/ |
| 14:46.56 | thiago | goldenear: make a change in the IP. The page's JavaScript works only if you make a change. |
| 14:46.56 | goldenear | thiago: do you mean for you, we you go the the webpage it's automaticaly display your ip and the result of the 6to4 calculation ? |
| 14:47.04 | goldenear | ah |
| 14:47.22 | goldenear | that's the point... in ff you don't have to do it |
| 14:47.35 | paoleela | thiago: Shoul I edit the .desktop file? It should just appear in "without category" ..or what it's called with english env. |
| 14:48.07 | thiago | goldenear: no, it's not automatic. You have to change something for it to calculate. |
| 14:48.13 | goldenear | the page is made to directly make the calculation... you should not have to change something for the first calculation |
| 14:48.18 | thiago | goldenear: but I'm not the one who wrote the script. |
| 14:48.31 | thiago | goldenear: it doesn't matter what the author intended. It matters what he did. |
| 14:48.35 | goldenear | thiago: try it why firefox... you'll see |
| 14:48.48 | thiago | who cares? He wrote a buggy script. |
| 14:48.58 | thiago | you cannot expect it to work in all compliant browsers |
| 14:49.07 | goldenear | but this script works well with both ie and ff |
| 14:49.08 | thiago | depending on a misfeature is not acceptable |
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| 14:49.22 | thiago | goldenear: and it would work in Konqueror too if it were a good script. |
| 14:51.59 | paoleela | thiago: With Categories=Graphics it still doesn't appear. Do I have to restart? |
| 14:52.27 | thiago | paoleela: no, but try running kbuildsycoca |
| 14:53.55 | paoleela | thiago: Thanks, that worked. |
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| 14:56.49 | squid0 | cool. i'm happy with kmail. thanks, guys |
| 14:58.38 | bline | thiago: sure, if you have a different way. I did it once by just adding eval `ssh-agent`; to a kde startup script but I don't remember the name of the script to create. |
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| 14:59.33 | thiago | bline: you can create a script in ~/.kde/env that has that eval |
| 14:59.40 | thiago | it'll be run by startkde when logging in |
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| 15:00.43 | shwouchk | hi |
| 15:00.48 | shwouchk | for some reason when I do alt+f2 skype, it doesnt launch - but if I do it via konsole, or alt+f2 and tell it to launch in a terminal, it works fine... what could cause this? |
| 15:01.06 | cow_2001 | "don't delete ~/.kde" is that a joke? |
| 15:01.50 | thiago | shwouchk: check your ~/.xsession-errors for clues |
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| 15:02.21 | shwouchk | thiago: thanks |
| 15:02.23 | goldenear | thiago: may be konqueror would need to be less strict and accept more sites... |
| 15:02.46 | thiago | goldenear: maybe. Maybe web designers should get a clue and write portable scripts. |
| 15:02.48 | shwouchk | thiago: perhaps I should have noted that I also had skype installed via wine a while ago, and back then when I did alt+f2 skype, it launched the wine version for some reason... |
| 15:02.51 | bline | thiago: thanks! |
| 15:02.53 | goldenear | thiago: or one should make pressure on ff to make it more strict :D |
| 15:03.25 | thiago | goldenear: I am not sure what the problem is here. The initial calculation is triggered by an iframe script. |
| 15:03.36 | goldenear | thiago: the problem is that threre's a reality: web disigner doesn't care about konq |
| 15:03.54 | thiago | goldenear: so, it could be that the cross-frame scripting isn't allowed. It could also be that the frame's script is run when the parent hasn't finished loading yet. |
| 15:04.00 | thiago | goldenear: so it would be a race condition. |
| 15:04.32 | logixoul | smileaf: so what happens to unmainained tag soup then? it's lost. do we want that? |
| 15:04.32 | thiago | goldenear: if it's the second case, the fact that it is working in FF and not in Konqueror is just pure luck. |
| 15:04.39 | thiago | goldenear: the web designer is shooting himself in the foot. |
| 15:04.39 | cow_2001 | kxkb doesn't set hebrew layout |
| 15:04.52 | smileaf | logixoul: sure =p |
| 15:04.56 | cow_2001 | the flag shows the israeli flag but i'm still writing in english |
| 15:04.57 | shwouchk | thiago: exactly what I feared - wine: cannot find 'C:\Program Files\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe' |
| 15:05.10 | thiago | shwouchk: eh? Wine? |
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| 15:05.17 | logixoul | s/ained/tained/ |
| 15:05.28 | logixoul | smileaf: interesting view |
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| 15:06.39 | shwouchk | thiago: 'thiago: perhaps I should have noted that I also had skype installed via wine a while ago, and back then when I did alt+f2 skype, it launched the wine version for some reason...' |
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| 15:06.48 | Joe7 | hi |
| 15:06.58 | shwouchk | thiago: I dont know why it calls that though |
| 15:07.57 | Joe7 | is it possible to autoresize (height of) a window according to the content in KDE? e.g. a window of a webbrowser. |
| 15:08.23 | squid0 | cow_2001: what's the story? |
| 15:08.39 | squid0 | and are you in Israel? |
| 15:08.43 | cow_2001 | squid0, yes |
| 15:08.58 | squid0 | cow_2001: magniv |
| 15:09.06 | cow_2001 | squid0, and i want to be able to write hebrew, but kxkb doesn't change the layout |
| 15:09.08 | cow_2001 | squid0, ^_^ |
| 15:09.22 | thiago | shwouchk: must be because you have a menu entry in the file "skype.desktop" that points to the wine executable. |
| 15:09.22 | squid0 | cow_2001: you click on the icon? |
| 15:09.31 | thiago | shwouchk: find it and remove |
| 15:09.52 | thiago | Joe7: using which algorithm to determine the height? |
| 15:10.04 | cow_2001 | i click on the icon, i press ctrl+alt+k, i press alt+shift, nothing. |
| 15:10.15 | Joe7 | thiago: I have no clue, is there any I could use? ;) |
| 15:10.23 | squid0 | cow_2001: open another program and try |
| 15:10.26 | squid0 | eg. kwrite |
| 15:10.27 | shwouchk | cow_2001: I know its silly, but check caps lock |
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| 15:10.42 | cow_2001 | nothing |
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| 15:11.16 | thiago | Joe7: no, I'm asking you to tell me how you would like the height to be determined. |
| 15:11.24 | thiago | Joe7: then I can tell you if I know of something that can do that. |
| 15:11.25 | squid0 | cow_2001: then re-start kde. log out and in |
| 15:11.34 | cow_2001 | already did |
| 15:11.37 | cow_2001 | nothing |
| 15:11.43 | shadok_ | is the folder /tmp/kde-myuser safe to empty ? |
| 15:12.09 | squid0 | cow_2001: hmmm |
| 15:12.11 | thiago | shadok_: as long as "myuser" isn't logged in. |
| 15:12.19 | Joe7 | thiago: I have _no idea_, I'm really new to kde, so I just popped in to ask if there is any solution for this.. |
| 15:12.21 | shadok_ | cow_2001: don't you need some fonts or some languages packs maybe ? |
| 15:12.31 | thiago | Joe7: then, no, there is no solution. |
| 15:12.44 | thiago | Joe7: first you have to come up with a good description of what you want. |
| 15:12.45 | cow_2001 | shadok_, i'm able to read hebrew, hebrew fonts show up on screen |
| 15:12.45 | squid0 | check all you kxkb settings... you haven't changed anything? |
| 15:12.47 | shadok_ | thiago: what's the most painful things that can happen if I stay logged :D |
| 15:12.51 | thiago | Joe7: then we cfan find a solution to your problem. |
| 15:12.57 | thiago | shadok_: lose data |
| 15:12.58 | shadok_ | cow_2001: ah |
| 15:13.21 | cow_2001 | shadok_, but the layout of the keyboard is english even if kxkb says i'm on hebrew |
| 15:13.35 | thiago | cow_2001: if you use setxkbmap, does it work? |
| 15:13.39 | shadok_ | thiago: hmm :) |
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| 15:14.11 | Joe7 | thiago: theorically I need the 'limit' between the 'window has scrollbar' & 'window has NO scrollbar' |
| 15:14.31 | cow_2001 | thiago, i'll try |
| 15:14.33 | Joe7 | at least I guess so ;> |
| 15:14.35 | squid0 | cow_2001: ok, good luck. gotta run |
| 15:14.43 | cow_2001 | squid0, bye bye |
| 15:14.54 | squid0 | bye |
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| 15:15.22 | thiago | Joe7: I see... |
| 15:15.30 | thiago | Joe7: no, I don't know any way of doing that, sorry. |
| 15:15.58 | shadok_ | thiago: i found two very heavy tar files in this folder, can it be kde related or just cached data coming from a compression/deompression that never ended ? |
| 15:16.12 | thiago | shadok_: probably something left-over |
| 15:16.21 | thiago | shadok_: what was the last modification time? |
| 15:17.26 | shadok_ | the last one have seven hours, the other any days, i think it's ok |
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| 15:17.37 | thiago | looks ok to me too |
| 15:17.49 | shadok_ | i didn't thought about that, thank you :) |
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| 15:27.15 | goldenear | [16:04] <thiago> goldenear: if it's the second case, the fact that it is working in FF and not in Konqueror is just pure luck. <-- so there are many lucky sites :D |
| 15:29.12 | smileaf | goldenear: I think he was refering to that race condition bug. in which if that is the bug then I agree with him. |
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| 15:34.36 | goldenear | what is the race condition bug ? |
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| 15:35.01 | _knoppix | Sho_: Boo. |
| 15:35.38 | Eliran_Itzhak | Shalom everyone. After upgrading my fc5 to fc6 (with kde 3.5.5) when using Konqueror, every other line in the file display shows in black, so i can't read every second line. changing theme's didn't help. any ideas ? thanks. |
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| 15:44.25 | Schalken | is there a kde app for creating animated gifs? |
| 15:45.14 | eSa| | i had to disable the composite extension from /etc/X11/xorg.conf due to compatibility issues. Now kde complains about that on startup. How can I stop those warnings? |
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| 15:47.26 | Schalken | eSa|: tich click on a window title bar -> configure wndow bahavious -> translucency (on the left) -> uncheck use translucency/shadows |
| 15:47.35 | Schalken | right click* |
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| 15:52.28 | Caster | how to access window menu from keyboard? |
| 15:53.16 | benJIman|work | Caster: you mean alt-f3 ? |
| 15:53.24 | benJIman|work | Caster: I remap it to alt-space in kcontrol usually. |
| 15:53.25 | logixoul | Caster: check in kcontrol->regional&accessibility->keyboard shortcuts->window operations menu |
| 15:53.31 | Caster | ah yes |
| 15:53.34 | Caster | thanks |
| 15:53.42 | logixoul | i remap it to KP_Minux |
| 15:53.53 | logixoul | s/x/s/ |
| 15:53.57 | Eliran_Itzhak | anyone ? |
| 15:54.22 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: yes, i've seen that |
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| 15:54.36 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: but it's normally dependent on your current color scheme |
| 15:54.42 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: lemme check... |
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| 15:54.45 | Eliran_Itzhak | <logixoul> : Any idea how to fix that ? |
| 15:55.29 | Eliran_Itzhak | <logixoul> : Color scheme in the KDE CC ? |
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| 15:55.46 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: in kcontrol, yees |
| 15:55.48 | logixoul | s/ee/e/ |
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| 15:56.30 | Eliran_Itzhak | <logixoul> : KDE CC->Appearance & Themes -> Colors ? |
| 15:56.39 | logixoul | yes |
| 15:57.07 | logixoul | "alternate list background" or something |
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| 15:59.23 | Eliran_Itzhak | <logixoul> : <apt> : The problem seems to be gone for now. thanks. |
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| 15:59.37 | logixoul | dude, apt's a bot :) |
| 15:59.41 | logixoul | np |
| 16:00.24 | Eliran_Itzhak | Another question. I'm using kalender (or dar ?) and would like it to pop up a msg with appointments that i've missed for today, or for the last few days... much like outlook 2003 would behave. is there an option to do that ? KDE 3.5.5 |
| 16:03.26 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: google couldn't point me to kalend{a|e}r |
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| 16:04.26 | Eliran_Itzhak | What ever way you spell it, I miss the way OL 2003 would tell you "you these and these mettings that you have missed, please confirm" |
| 16:04.47 | Eliran_Itzhak | Other then that, K* rocks. |
| 16:05.00 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: thing is, i haven't heard of kalend*r before. |
| 16:05.05 | bline | I want a different sound for each desktop that I switch to |
| 16:05.14 | Eliran_Itzhak | Ohhh. |
| 16:05.16 | bline | So I can play musical desktops! |
| 16:05.22 | smileaf | Eliran_Itzhak: do you mean korganizer? |
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| 16:06.57 | logixoul | bline: kcontrol->sound&multimedia->system notifications->the kde window manager->virtual desktop n is selected->play a sound |
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| 16:07.30 | Eliran_Itzhak | I thought I was running a part of the Koffice suite, but now i see i was running "evolution --component=calendar" |
| 16:08.02 | logixoul | Alex_Palex: http://m00.cx/w/Away_messages |
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| 16:08.42 | smileaf | Eliran_Itzhak: evolution isn't a kde app. |
| 16:08.43 | Eliran_Itzhak | But usually I run "kontact" and then select the Calendar button. |
| 16:08.48 | Alex_Palex | ok logixoul |
| 16:09.04 | Eliran_Itzhak | I'm using the one that show's up in kontact. |
| 16:09.52 | Schalken | does anyones kaffeine konqueror plugin work without freezing/crashing? |
| 16:09.53 | Eliran_Itzhak | Sorry, my mistake. I'm NOT using evolution. I'm using kontact and then selecting Calendar. |
| 16:09.54 | smileaf | Eliran_Itzhak: ok then your using korganizer |
| 16:09.59 | bline | logixoul: I was joking! |
| 16:10.09 | logixoul | bline: heh |
| 16:10.15 | bline | yay for musical desktops though |
| 16:10.20 | Eliran_Itzhak | <smileaf> : Can you answer my original question ? |
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| 16:10.26 | bline | Sorry havn't slept in a while.. |
| 16:10.49 | smileaf | Eliran_Itzhak: it should automatically do that if you have set a reminder. |
| 16:11.29 | Eliran_Itzhak | <smileaf> : I see. How can I set the reminders to be the default ? |
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| 16:12.50 | smileaf | Eliran_Itzhak: its a check box you check when creating a new event. |
| 16:13.14 | Eliran_Itzhak | I see that checkbox right now. Is there a way to have it checked (on) by default ? |
| 16:13.53 | smileaf | not that I know of. you could create a template but that'd require more work just to check it so not worth it... |
| 16:14.33 | Eliran_Itzhak | Ok, Thanks ! |
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| 16:19.50 | logixoul | Eliran_Itzhak: try at #kontact |
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| 16:25.26 | Eliran_Itzhak | <logixoul> : Wow. a channel devoted to kontact... never thought it could get this specific. thanks :-) |
| 16:26.01 | logixoul | =) |
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| 16:33.29 | a9913 | how can i find out the album of the currently playing song in noatun using dcop? |
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| 16:33.46 | a9913 | there seems to be no fucntion for it |
| 16:33.51 | a9913 | *function |
| 16:34.18 | logixoul | dunno, but i recommend amarok over noatun |
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| 16:35.18 | a9913 | logixoul: so do i, but fedora seems to have some wierd reason to ship Noatun instead of amaroK |
| 16:35.30 | a9913 | so that's what i use |
| 16:35.41 | logixoul | well, you can still install amarok easily ;) |
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| 16:35.57 | a9913 | not enough bandwidth :( |
| 16:36.07 | logixoul | oh :( |
| 16:38.13 | RockMan | ciao |
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| 16:39.40 | Tm_T | Roman123: Moin. |
| 16:39.52 | Tm_T | Whops, RockMan I meant. =) |
| 16:39.53 | Roman123 | hi |
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| 16:44.32 | jirihavelka | Hi guys, do you think that my friend can use KDE with 600 Mhz CPU and 192 MB RAM ? |
| 16:44.48 | hermier | jirihavelka, kde3.5 ? |
| 16:45.15 | jirihavelka | hermier i think for him version doesn't matter, he had never used linux... |
| 16:45.44 | hermier | jirihavelka, it should work, thougth I would say he is a little bit short on ram |
| 16:45.49 | a9913 | jirihavelka: well, i use it with a 500mhz cpu and 256mb ram |
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| 16:46.49 | jirihavelka | Or do you think that ehm xfce will be better for him? |
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| 16:53.53 | visik7 | on slow pages sometimes konqueror forget to load css |
| 16:53.55 | visik7 | is it normal ? |
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| 16:56.54 | feydin | hey there, could someone tell me how to control yakuake with DCOP? i want multiple tabs opened on yakuake start |
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| 16:57.35 | bluestorm | feydin: |
| 16:57.45 | bluestorm | isn't the DCOP interface self-documenting ? |
| 16:58.19 | feydin | bluestorm, where can i get informations about the "DCOP interface" then? |
| 16:58.19 | bluestorm | (i mean, "dcop yakuake DCOPInterface" gives you a list of the dcop functions available, doens't it ?) |
| 16:58.28 | bluestorm | (in konsole/yakuake) |
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| 16:58.49 | feydin | bluestorm, i don't know that... sry for bother you |
| 16:59.16 | bluestorm | hmm, wasn't a problem at all |
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| 16:59.30 | bluestorm | i myself came to ask some questions and bother someone else ;) |
| 16:59.53 | feydin | bluestorm, ok :) here's what i get after running that command: object 'DCOPInterface' in application 'yakuake' not accessible |
| 17:00.16 | bluestorm | hum, you have yakuake launched ? |
| 17:00.19 | a9913 | feydin: do you use bash? |
| 17:00.27 | feydin | a9913, yes |
| 17:00.39 | a9913 | feydin: *hint* *hint* tab |
| 17:00.51 | a9913 | also known as programmable comletion |
| 17:00.53 | feydin | ah i needed to launch yakuake |
| 17:00.54 | feydin | nvw |
| 17:00.57 | a9913 | *completion |
| 17:00.58 | feydin | nvm |
| 17:01.04 | feydin | thx bluestorm |
| 17:02.32 | bluestorm | hum |
| 17:02.40 | bluestorm | middle clic in konqueror launch a new window |
| 17:02.55 | bluestorm | instead of opening a new tab |
| 17:03.01 | bluestorm | where should i change this ? |
| 17:03.16 | bluestorm | (KDE 3.5.2. It used to work but on this new install it doesn't) |
| 17:03.18 | visik7 | on slow pages sometimes konqueror forget to load css |
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| 17:04.01 | jorgp | why would kopete use about 5 times the memory that gaim does? |
| 17:04.06 | bluestorm | (hum, does it affect the behaviour of the middle mouse button ?) |
| 17:04.51 | bluestorm | jorgp: how do you know it ? |
| 17:05.04 | bluestorm | (using "free -m" ?) |
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| 17:06.11 | xushi | are there any kde frontends to encfs ? |
| 17:06.24 | jorgp | looking at top |
| 17:06.50 | jorgp | kopete was using about 25Meg gaim using about 3 |
| 17:07.05 | xushi | jorgp: how many plugins do you have running ? |
| 17:07.19 | jorgp | kopete none, gaim all |
| 17:07.55 | jorgp | well, let me check |
| 17:07.56 | xushi | 10859 0 0 104m 56m 18m S 28.0 2.8 0:18.44 kopete |
| 17:08.22 | xushi | damn! is kopete really using 100Mb ? |
| 17:08.42 | jorgp | see what I mean |
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| 17:09.36 | jorgp | konversation is using 36Meg |
| 17:09.39 | jorgp | thats crazy |
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| 17:10.45 | jorgp | xchat only using 17 |
| 17:11.09 | jorgp | heh, although, konv is way cooler |
| 17:11.36 | smacnay | jorgp: same stats here too. |
| 17:11.47 | xushi | if this is right, java is using 258Mb of ram *just* for the azsmrc plugin (without azureus) |
| 17:12.10 | smacnay | I tended to use centericq and irssi and may go back to them. |
| 17:12.41 | xushi | i'm not really complaining since i have 2Gb ram, but still, if this is true, then it's seriously a waste |
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| 17:14.34 | xushi | how do you create a desktop simbol ? |
| 17:14.39 | xushi | symbol * |
| 17:15.23 | vesuv | xushi: If you're having memory issues with Azurues / azsmrc, then try KTorrent. It's nice and small. |
| 17:15.31 | vesuv | And it's a K-App ,) |
| 17:16.00 | xushi | vesuv: i tried ktorrent but it still doesn't meet my needs. It doesn't limit upload speeds 'per torrent', and alsothe speeds i get on it are rediculous for some reason, compared to azureus |
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| 17:16.25 | xushi | i get ~0.1 to 5k on ktorrent, while ~50 - 90k on azureus. ports open, same torrent |
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| 17:18.40 | jorgp | makes sense now |
| 17:19.03 | jorgp | alot of the memory used by konv and kopete are from memory leaks in khtml |
| 17:19.08 | vesuv | xushi: You mean, it's slower? |
| 17:19.18 | vesuv | well, yes, sometimes. |
| 17:19.30 | jorgp | I dont use ktorrent for that very reason |
| 17:19.38 | jorgp | its always much slower then azureus |
| 17:19.42 | vesuv | xushi: you could try the svn for some new features, although I don't like the new UI |
| 17:21.13 | vesuv | The problem is, KTorrent is handling the download of 2+ torrents not so gut as other Apps |
| 17:21.34 | bluestorm | jorgp: |
| 17:21.39 | vesuv | It does perform quite good if it does download one or two files, while uploading one |
| 17:21.41 | jorgp | bluestorm, |
| 17:21.48 | bluestorm | i'm not sure "top" is a good tool for that |
| 17:22.03 | bluestorm | you have to care about cached memory and so on, don't you ? |
| 17:22.20 | jorgp | I know, it told me what I want to know though |
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| 17:22.29 | jorgp | its all khtml fault |
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| 17:30.08 | XVampireX | I'm a ricer |
| 17:32.21 | smacnay | can kword import addressbook data into a pre-existing template? I am writing a memorandum (from the template) and would like to import the address info of the addressee. |
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| 17:34.35 | oGALAXYo | smacnay: try asking this in #koffice again |
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| 17:34.40 | vesuv | smacnay: Do you know, where kaddressbook is exporting it's data? I would like to test it for you |
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| 17:34.57 | bline | Anyone tried kwlan? |
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| 17:35.56 | bline | It's very nice, wouldn't mind seeing it go into core. I guess there is probably already plans for some kind of network interface in kde4. |
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| 17:43.54 | smacnay | vesuv: I will check? |
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| 17:44.45 | smacnay | vesuv: It exports to various formats. |
| 17:44.59 | vesuv | smacnay: the bookmark |
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| 17:51.58 | kushal | Any good app for ScreenCast ? |
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| 17:53.10 | a9913 | kushal: you're asking that in EVERY channel? |
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| 17:57.08 | bluestorm | hum |
| 17:57.36 | bluestorm | any idea for the "open in a new window"/"open a new tab" setting ? |
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| 17:58.10 | vesuv | kushal: Take a lookt at http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/16/2128226 |
| 17:58.13 | a9913 | bluestorm: wha? |
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| 17:58.46 | kushal | a9913, previously asked in wrong channel ? |
| 17:58.54 | kushal | s/?/ :) |
| 17:58.57 | a9913 | ahh... that middle-click thing? |
| 17:59.14 | a9913 | kushal: but you got the right answer there |
| 17:59.57 | vesuv | What would be the right answer in this case? |
| 18:00.02 | kushal | a9913, oh you are talking about #linux-india |
| 18:00.03 | a9913 | and exactly 20 minutes and 20 seconds later you realised you asked the wrong channel? |
| 18:00.09 | a9913 | vesuv: vnc |
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| 18:00.43 | a9913 | bluestorm: i think i've come across this once |
| 18:00.49 | a9913 | bluestorm: lemme check |
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| 18:02.51 | a9913 | bluestorm: nope :( |
| 18:03.24 | a9913 | bluestorm: but ctrl+shift+click certainly does the trick |
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| 18:04.42 | bluestorm | hum a9913 |
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| 18:05.00 | bluestorm | middle click never opened a new tab on your konqueror ? |
| 18:05.34 | bluestorm | (i forgot the ctrl+shift thing. Thank you, i can use konqueror again ^^) |
| 18:05.45 | a9913 | bluestorm: i usually use right-click->open in new tab |
| 18:06.15 | bluestorm | hm |
| 18:06.23 | bluestorm | i open a *lot* of new tab actually |
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| 18:09.48 | smacnay | Well, irssi certainly doesn't require the mem konversation does. But it doesn't offer a lot of the ease-of-use featuers either. |
| 18:09.52 | smacnay | Oh well. |
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| 18:26.45 | jocke1s | Hi. How do I save/set konqueror to allways open in Midnight Commander mode |
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| 18:29.03 | Dr_willis | save it as a view profile, as the default i think.. whatever one is first on the list.. Hmm.. I dont even have a MC mode in my list anymore. |
| 18:29.16 | Dr_willis | I think kubuntu removed some of those to avoide confusion. :( |
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| 18:30.30 | Dr_willis | Hmm also may want to make an icon that launches konqueror with a specific profile. the example icon i see is launching --> kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing |
| 18:30.53 | jocke1s | Ill try that |
| 18:31.28 | rellis | Anyone know of a good way to fogure out why Konqueror is crashing when trying to access an SMB share. I can access the share just fine manually using smbclient =/ |
| 18:31.36 | Dr_willis | not sure where the 'webrowsing' comes from. :() |
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| 18:32.07 | Theory | rellis: pastebin the backtrace? |
| 18:32.23 | shastry | goodnight! |
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| 18:35.33 | rellis | Theory: I'll have to poke around a bit.. never generated a "backtrace" I don't think. |
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| 18:35.49 | Theory | rellis: do you not get a dialog up when it crashes? |
| 18:35.51 | Theory | or does it just die? |
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| 18:36.26 | rellis | It doesn't die. I mean it errors complaining it had issues trying to access the share with libsmbclient. Konqueror never "crashes". |
| 18:38.06 | rellis | It says "Internal Error, libsmbclient reported an error, but did not specify what the problem is." |
| 18:38.53 | Theory | hrm, that's not very helpful |
| 18:39.02 | rellis | Theory: My sentiments exactly. |
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| 18:44.10 | cow_2001 | i'm able to paste hebrew into xchat but not typing in it |
| 18:44.17 | cow_2001 | like this: בוגה |
| 18:46.44 | cow_2001 | it's weird, kde is supposed to have a good support for hebrew, but not in my syste |
| 18:47.04 | cow_2001 | i can paste into every application that supports hebrew, but not type into most applications |
| 18:48.52 | aseigo | xchat isn't a kde app. that said, you need to set up a hebrew keyboard in the settings |
| 18:48.54 | aseigo | kde does support keyboard mappings |
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| 18:49.51 | Roey | cow_2001: hi |
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| 18:49.52 | cow_2001 | Roey, hey :( |
| 18:49.53 | Roey | hey hey |
| 18:49.59 | Roey | מה × ×©×ž×¢ גבר |
| 18:50.09 | cow_2001 | Roey, no hebrew typing |
| 18:50.09 | Roey | cow_2001: so you wanna paste into xchat is it? |
| 18:50.12 | Roey | on what/ |
| 18:50.13 | Roey | kde? |
| 18:50.18 | Roey | you can set it up |
| 18:50.26 | Roey | launch kcontrol |
| 18:50.33 | cow_2001 | ×בל יש הדבקה |
| 18:50.39 | Roey | מזתומרת |
| 18:50.45 | Roey | הדבקה |
| 18:50.46 | Roey | ? |
| 18:50.46 | cow_2001 | i can type into kopete |
| 18:50.47 | Renze | it's all greek to me |
| 18:50.50 | Roey | Renze: :) |
| 18:50.55 | Roey | cow_2001: I don';t understand |
| 18:50.56 | cow_2001 | but not into almost all other applications |
| 18:51.02 | Roey | most other which apps |
| 18:51.03 | Roey | KDE? |
| 18:51.08 | cow_2001 | right |
| 18:51.28 | Roey | I have a little flag on the bottom of my screen that switches to the israeli flag when I'm in Hebrew mode and a USA flag when I'm in (proper American) English mode. |
| 18:51.29 | cow_2001 | until now it was only kopete with hebrew typing |
| 18:51.38 | cow_2001 | right, i use that |
| 18:51.40 | Roey | ok |
| 18:51.42 | cow_2001 | it's called kxkb |
| 18:51.46 | Roey | ok |
| 18:51.50 | Roey | so where is the problem then? |
| 18:52.07 | cow_2001 | i can't type hebrew, unless i type into kopete |
| 18:52.08 | Roey | להגיר דמעות |
| 18:52.14 | Roey | no, |
| 18:52.18 | Roey | להשיל דמעות |
| 18:52.19 | Roey | yes? |
| 18:52.26 | cow_2001 | nto ure |
| 18:52.27 | Roey | eek. |
| 18:52.27 | hermier | these means kopete rocks |
| 18:52.35 | Roey | it means shedding tears |
| 18:52.37 | Roey | hehe |
| 18:52.50 | Roey | לשגר דמעות |
| 18:52.55 | Roey | כמו ×˜×™×œ×™× |
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| 18:53.15 | Roey | anyone else here speak hebrew? |
| 18:53.19 | Roey | elcuco does but he's not here. |
| 18:53.32 | cow_2001 | :( |
| 18:54.15 | Roey | cow_2001: it could be worse |
| 18:54.22 | Roey | cow_2001: you could be without hebrew support at all! |
| 18:54.23 | Roey | or even |
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| 18:54.28 | joss | hi |
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| 18:54.31 | Roey | you could have been without acomputer |
| 18:54.34 | Roey | joss: hey |
| 18:54.36 | cow_2001 | but i must type some work for tomorrow :( |
| 18:54.40 | Roey | hey mr. BASEman |
| 18:54.42 | cow_2001 | ah :( |
| 18:54.51 | Roey | cow_2001: works for me is all I can say ;) |
| 18:55.03 | joss | Roey: do you know, if kwin special window settings perhaps lets one window to be dockable to other window? |
| 18:55.21 | joss | perhaps it is a possibility theres a weird option available |
| 18:55.21 | Roey | so that when you move one window the window alongside it moves as well? |
| 18:55.22 | Roey | I don't know |
| 18:55.30 | joss | Roey: yeah |
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| 18:55.33 | joss | exactly |
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| 18:56.40 | joss | placement force on main window |
| 18:56.41 | Roey | joss: oh I don't know |
| 18:56.49 | Roey | I think aseigo might? |
| 18:57.00 | joss | perhaps, is he here? |
| 18:57.16 | aseigo | nope |
| 18:57.30 | joss | aseigo: means it can not be done, or you do not know? |
| 18:57.38 | aseigo | question: was i answering the question about kwin or that i'm here |
| 18:57.50 | aseigo | a) i'm not really here |
| 18:58.00 | joss | b)? |
| 18:58.01 | aseigo | b) no, you can't do that in kwin right now. though we were just discussing that in #kde4-devel |
| 18:58.09 | aseigo | c) free hugs. |
| 18:58.16 | aseigo | d) all of the above |
| 18:58.30 | jorik | FREEE HUGS ??????? OMG |
| 18:58.33 | joss | aseigo: ok, might be a nice addition also:) |
| 18:58.36 | Renze | e) aseigo is in need of professional help ;) |
| 18:58.58 | aseigo | Renze: picking (d) doesn't imply (e)? =) |
| 18:59.08 | joss | aseigo: yeah kicker switch to swollow only marked window class could be usable as well |
| 18:59.09 | aseigo | jorik: dude, free guys are the shiznit |
| 18:59.37 | aseigo | joss: blurg. that's a feature 3 people in the world would use and which would make life painful beyond believe |
| 18:59.39 | aseigo | belief |
| 18:59.39 | jorik | true dat! |
| 18:59.46 | aseigo | er, free hugs |
| 18:59.52 | aseigo | i substituted hugs for guys. dammit |
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| 19:00.01 | aseigo | as i noted, i'm not really here |
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| 19:00.22 | annma | free hugs, free beers, free code |
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| 19:00.29 | annma | free guys as well |
| 19:00.41 | joss | aseigo: well i do not know, it could be usable for sdi interfaces |
| 19:01.26 | aseigo | annma: oh, hey. i had a question for you. |
| 19:01.31 | joss | gimp: would be better to use that way docking a second instants of kicker first and lets it to swollow only gimp class |
| 19:01.34 | annma | hi aseigo |
| 19:01.38 | annma | shooot |
| 19:01.48 | MinceR | FreeThugs |
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| 19:02.19 | xushi | hmm, i can't get k3b to burn any file that is over 103 characters in length |
| 19:02.34 | aseigo | annma: what do you think about changing the "kde edu" project's name to the much easier "KD·Edu"? |
| 19:02.55 | MinceR | kedu |
| 19:02.59 | MinceR | kdeu |
| 19:03.02 | aseigo | MinceR: hehe.. no no no... =P |
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| 19:03.13 | aseigo | kay dee eh-dyou |
| 19:03.17 | joss | aseigo: what about that kicker applet, do you think this would not be useful too? |
| 19:03.24 | aseigo | kay dee ee eh-dyou |
| 19:03.26 | xushi | KDEww! (that's what it sounds like to me) |
| 19:03.27 | aseigo | joss: no. =P |
| 19:03.50 | aseigo | xushi: you're mising a 'd' in there |
| 19:03.50 | joss | aseigo: ctrl and close all like for windowsXP |
| 19:03.57 | MinceR | In Soviet Russia, KD YOU!! |
| 19:03.58 | annma | I think i should ask my team, aseigo |
| 19:04.05 | xushi | hehe |
| 19:04.09 | xushi | MinceR: lol |
| 19:04.13 | annma | what's the for youhave for it? |
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| 19:04.26 | annma | easier to pronounce |
| 19:04.28 | annma | in en |
| 19:04.40 | annma | but looses a bit of KDE branding |
| 19:04.42 | aseigo | joss: oh, that thing. you can close all of a type of window in the taskbar by right clicking on a window group... but yeah... that's probably not a bad thing. |
| 19:04.53 | aseigo | annma: well.. yes and no =) |
| 19:04.57 | aseigo | it's the fusion of kde and education |
| 19:05.04 | aseigo | oh, and i asked you so you can ask your team. =) |
| 19:05.15 | annma | KDE-Du |
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| 19:05.31 | aseigo | hehe.. no, KD·Edu |
| 19:05.35 | annma | ;) |
| 19:05.54 | annma | well, would that be a marketing plus? |
| 19:05.55 | aseigo | graphically the 'e' would be with the KD and the du ... it would work from a visual perspective. |
| 19:06.00 | Tm_T | KDE-duh? ;) |
| 19:06.03 | aseigo | and wouldn't be insane to say |
| 19:06.12 | aseigo | Tm_T: it is for people who need to learn, so sure ;-P |
| 19:06.16 | annma | granted i say it in french |
| 19:06.41 | aseigo | anyways, it was a thought i had whilst working on kde4 marketing |
| 19:07.01 | MinceR | K-Dedu |
| 19:07.08 | aseigo | kay dead you |
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| 19:07.21 | Tm_T | 'kay |
| 19:07.25 | joss | aseigo: yeah |
| 19:07.36 | joss | aseigo: is there something similar in kde? |
| 19:07.39 | MinceR | KDE-duh sounds funny :> |
| 19:07.56 | Tm_T | MinceR: It meant to sound funny, don't you think? ;) |
| 19:08.04 | MinceR | yeah |
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| 19:08.11 | joss | aseigo: ctrl and left click for all, and then close all windows from menu |
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| 19:08.17 | joss | just like winxp does it |
| 19:09.11 | joss | aseigo: it prevents the need to open a menu on each window on panel and then choose close window for all individually |
| 19:09.54 | joss | it is far more time consuming, then ctrl leftclick and close all |
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| 19:10.06 | joss | far more |
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| 19:12.23 | grepper | k-adieu for annma :P |
| 19:13.59 | Tm_T | Talking about KDE-edu, me tried to teatch MS Word to 7-year old kids today, definately wrong tool for kids I'd say. |
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| 19:14.16 | MinceR | wrong tool for everyone |
| 19:14.23 | MinceR | teach 'em latex :> |
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| 19:16.03 | aseigo | Tm_T: hehehe.. ya think? |
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| 19:16.52 | Tm_T | aseigo: Yup, most of the time they were doing else than writing, they even managed to save and quit accidentally in time to time. |
| 19:17.16 | Tm_T | And even I don't do that as quick as they did. |
| 19:18.15 | Wyred | anyone use konversation ? |
| 19:18.17 | Theory | teach 'em vi :-p |
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| 19:19.14 | bluestorm | Wyred: i do |
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| 19:19.32 | Tm_T | And when I mentioned that we need more simple writing apps to kids, older teachers didn't even understand there could be simpler solutions... I hate when things gets fucked from beginning. |
| 19:19.55 | Wyred | do you know if it's possible to get server notices to appear in seperate tabs ? |
| 19:20.45 | aseigo | Tm_T: pull a carsten and start writing one =) |
| 19:20.58 | aseigo | carsten == kalzium |
| 19:21.21 | annma | there was an attempt for a KWord for kids |
| 19:21.44 | Tm_T | annma: Still is IIRC, but it is moving slowly. |
| 19:21.50 | annma | there was a mockup but it needs developer |
| 19:22.02 | Tm_T | I already volunteered our school as testdummies. =) |
| 19:22.07 | annma | there's nobody to code it, Tm_T |
| 19:22.12 | annma | :) |
| 19:22.21 | annma | i know there'll be a GTK one soon |
| 19:22.32 | Tm_T | annma: True, currently. |
| 19:22.40 | annma | from the GCompris author who happens to share the same LUG than me |
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| 19:23.07 | Tm_T | annma: Hmm, hit me when there's something ready to test. :) |
| 19:23.17 | annma | Tm_T: i will |
| 19:23.26 | Tm_T | Thanks. |
| 19:23.52 | Tm_T | Now I can have better sleep (yea, rright). |
| 19:23.54 | Tm_T | ;) |
| 19:24.18 | Tm_T | Back to waste my time with some "entertainment". -> |
| 19:24.32 | annma | see you soon, Tm_T |
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| 19:34.04 | Half-Left | Yo! |
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| 19:38.50 | kristjan_ | where could I get techical help about kaffeine media player? |
| 19:39.04 | pinotree | ?? ask |
| 19:39.05 | DDB | pinotree: ask: Just ask your question. Do not ask to ask. If somebody is around and knows the answer, they will answer. We can't tell you if we can help until you ask. Be patient, some of us do actually do things besides IRC. |
| 19:39.09 | pinotree | kristjan_: ^^ |
| 19:39.28 | kristjan_ | is it possible to make kaffene play x264? |
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| 19:41.23 | PhilRod | kristjan_: kaffeine uses xine as a backend, so if you can get xine to play $FORMAT, then kaffeine can play it too (I think) |
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| 19:44.45 | Dr_willis | I think ive played x264 with xine. |
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| 19:46.20 | msoeken | Hi. I try to compile multimedia package in extragear. But ./configure gives me an error, that it cannot find pkgconfig, but it is defenitely installed. |
| 19:46.20 | msoeken | It is svn trunk |
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| 19:47.58 | PhilRod | msoeken: please put the output of ./configure on a pasteboard and put the link here |
| 19:52.01 | msoeken | PhilRod: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YgwpnN90.html I have set PKG_CONFIG to /usr/bin/pkg-config |
| 19:52.31 | msoeken | $ /usr/bin/pkg-config --version |
| 19:52.31 | msoeken | 0.20 |
| 19:52.53 | PhilRod | msoeken: could you also pastebin the content of config.log? |
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| 19:54.32 | msoeken | PhilRod: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sJVkDr96.html |
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| 19:56.09 | Half-Left | KDE4 games look cool |
| 19:56.42 | annma | yes, they are going to rock |
| 19:56.50 | PhilRod | msoeken: weird: line 2115 says it's found, then it says it isn't. I have no idea sorry |
| 19:56.53 | Half-Left | nice SVG |
| 19:57.05 | annma | see how a single guy put the memento on this module |
| 19:57.10 | PhilRod | msoeken: I have to go, but someone else may be able to help |
| 19:57.13 | kristjan_ | Half-Left: link? |
| 19:57.19 | msoeken | PhilRod: thanks |
| 19:57.30 | Half-Left | kristjan_: look on planet kde |
| 19:57.45 | annma | several games needs devels to be ported so if you want fame, join the fun |
| 19:57.54 | annma | even if you are not a developer |
| 19:58.05 | annma | you can write docs, test, ... |
| 19:58.10 | msoeken | I do not have much experience with automake and friends, but I think that the sourcecode of configure.in is not correct with the check for pkg-config |
| 19:58.14 | Half-Left | kristjan_: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+Games+SVG+status |
| 19:58.40 | Half-Left | annma: do they need artists? |
| 19:58.49 | annma | of course they do |
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| 19:59.03 | msoeken | I just want to create a patch for kmplayer. it is possible to compile it without compiling whole multimedia package? |
| 19:59.09 | annma | #kdegames Half-Left |
| 19:59.27 | annma | msoeken: from svn 3.5 branch? |
| 19:59.29 | Half-Left | thanks |
| 19:59.59 | msoeken | annma: it is from trunk |
| 20:00.07 | annma | trunk is kde4 |
| 20:00.15 | annma | you know that? |
| 20:00.18 | msoeken | is there a branch for kmplayer? |
| 20:00.22 | annma | (just checking) |
| 20:00.39 | annma | depends against which kde you want to make the patch |
| 20:00.45 | annma | kde3 or kde4? |
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| 20:01.23 | msoeken | against kde3, but kmplayer is in extragear |
| 20:01.33 | msoeken | i could not find extragear in branches |
| 20:02.50 | annma | let me see where extragear for kde3 is |
| 20:03.21 | annma | it's in trunk |
| 20:03.39 | annma | trunk/extragear is actually extragear for kde3 |
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| 20:03.49 | annma | sorry about my mistake |
| 20:04.05 | msoeken | no problem. so http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kmplayer/ is the correct path? |
| 20:04.08 | annma | so you get the top files with svn co -N |
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| 20:04.22 | annma | not websvn |
| 20:04.28 | msoeken | yes I am using svn |
| 20:04.32 | annma | you want to get them as anonymous svn |
| 20:04.37 | msoeken | yes |
| 20:04.45 | msoeken | I have checked out the multimedia path |
| 20:04.54 | msoeken | there is the Makefile.cvs |
| 20:05.18 | annma | svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/ |
| 20:05.32 | annma | that will get you the top files like Makefile.am |
| 20:05.36 | msoeken | exactly what I've done |
| 20:05.47 | annma | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kmplayer |
| 20:05.54 | annma | that will get you kmplayer |
| 20:05.58 | msoeken | but ./configure is not working for me. I get an error, that it cannot find pkg-config, but it exists |
| 20:06.25 | msoeken | so i need a way to "configure" just kmplayer |
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| 20:14.53 | annma | did you compile anything by hand on kde previously? |
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| 20:15.39 | flamesro1k | guys, how can I get kde to recognize portuguese letters? |
| 20:15.42 | flamesro1k | It simply wont |
| 20:15.50 | flamesro1k | it makes them look funny |
| 20:16.23 | flamesro1k | like capital A with a tilde on top instead of e |
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| 20:16.33 | flamesro1k | or british pound money sign |
| 20:17.01 | Renze | ã ? |
| 20:17.02 | benJIman | flamesro1k: use a proper font |
| 20:17.17 | benJIman | flamesro1k: and ensure you're using utf8, debian still does't |
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| 20:17.26 | annma | flamesro1k: é è ç à ü |
| 20:17.26 | Renze | Ã ? |
| 20:17.28 | benJIman | £ |
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| 20:17.36 | carlosg | flamesro1k: (portuguese guy here) - maybe you need to set up correctly your keyboard |
| 20:17.38 | benJIman | Renze: I don't think you're using utf8 |
| 20:17.38 | annma | flamesro1k: do you see what I wrote? |
| 20:17.50 | Renze | benJIman: I am |
| 20:17.51 | annma | Renze: you're not utf8 |
| 20:17.57 | flamesro1k | thanks carlosg but its just portuguese music that I'm ahving trouble jwith |
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| 20:18.01 | benJIman | Renze: doesn't look like it |
| 20:18.05 | flamesro1k | so do I compile kde with the utf8 flag? |
| 20:18.09 | Renze | according to konvi, I am utf8 |
| 20:18.11 | flamesro1k | I'm on gentoo BTW |
| 20:18.14 | benJIman | flamesro1k: just have your environment utf8 |
| 20:18.16 | annma | ah, a A with a tilde |
| 20:18.18 | flamesro1k | benJIman: what font? |
| 20:18.31 | annma | Renze: my apologies, you are indeed |
| 20:18.35 | flamesro1k | benJIman: how might I set utf8? |
| 20:18.36 | benJIman | flamesro1k: font is unlikely to be problem if it's the simple chars |
| 20:18.40 | carlosg | like this: ã |
| 20:18.42 | annma | it just looked like non utf8 |
| 20:19.02 | flamesro1k | 03 - cadê tereza.mp3 |
| 20:19.11 | flamesro1k | err no.. the ? character appears as a weird A |
| 20:19.17 | carlosg | i can see it correctly |
| 20:19.22 | Renze | so can I |
| 20:19.22 | annma | flamesro1k: it si fine here |
| 20:19.25 | flamesro1k | with a tilde on top |
| 20:19.30 | annma | flamesro1k: it's because you are not utf8 |
| 20:19.32 | flamesro1k | perhaps it is irssi |
| 20:19.33 | benJIman | looks like this screen has un-utf8ed itself again, stupid debian. |
| 20:19.33 | flamesro1k | ahh |
| 20:19.38 | koala_man | ♥ |
| 20:19.40 | flamesro1k | lol |
| 20:19.43 | Renze | ã‚· |
| 20:19.47 | annma | koala_man: ;) |
| 20:19.57 | flamesro1k | so is there a setting in the control panel one can change? |
| 20:20.05 | flamesro1k | It sucks can I can't play some of my favourite songs in Amarok |
| 20:20.16 | carlosg | flamesro1k: your musics are on a different particion? like fat32/ntfs which you created with windows? |
| 20:20.24 | flamesro1k | somebody from amarok saiid it was a localization issue |
| 20:20.33 | flamesro1k | carlosg: yes, it's on ntfs |
| 20:20.44 | flamesro1k | ahhhhhh so I mount with utf8 option set? |
| 20:20.46 | carlosg | so that's can be the problem |
| 20:20.59 | flamesro1k | good idea, let me try that |
| 20:21.19 | flamesro1k | it should be utf8 by default IMHO |
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| 20:22.56 | carlosg | i've my fat partition set to utf8 and have no problems, btw |
| 20:23.08 | msoeken | annma: no, perhaps that's the mistake |
| 20:23.24 | annma | the error you get has nothing to do with kmplayer |
| 20:23.35 | annma | paste the exact error on a pastebin please |
| 20:23.55 | mBehl | Renze: What font are you using, for i am only seeing the typical square ? |
| 20:24.10 | Renze | mBehl: dejavu sans |
| 20:24.27 | mBehl | strange, me too. |
| 20:24.42 | Renze | mBehl: are you set to use utf8 ? |
| 20:25.00 | Renze | mBehl: do you have the intlfonts package for your distro installed? |
| 20:25.15 | mBehl | Renze: Yep, but with some characters, eg chinese its not displayed correct. |
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| 20:25.25 | Renze | mBehl: you need appropriate fonts installed |
| 20:25.58 | flamesro1k | shit it works!! |
| 20:26.00 | flamesro1k | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/speedy ntfs-3g locale=pt_BR.utf8,auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0 |
| 20:26.10 | mBehl | Renze: thx now i'm only have to find the correct ones ;) |
| 20:26.22 | Renze | mBehl: distro? |
| 20:26.44 | mBehl | Renze: debian etch |
| 20:27.02 | Renze | mBehl: can't help you there... on gentoo the package is called intlfonts |
| 20:27.09 | carlosg | flamesro1k: ;-) |
| 20:28.37 | carlosg | flamesro1k: btw, on konqueror see if you can properly see the "Executável" word (note the ' on the "a") |
| 20:29.35 | mBehl | Renze: in etch it's not available, but in unstable, so changing the Tree to unstable would solve it. Thx. |
| 20:29.46 | Renze | no problem |
| 20:30.33 | smacnay | Is there a way to install an older "working" version of kopete in Deb testing? |
| 20:31.06 | mBehl | smacnay: whch version are you using ? |
| 20:31.06 | annma | smacnay: what do you mean exactly? |
| 20:31.18 | flamesro1k | executar comando do shell? |
| 20:31.22 | flamesro1k | just a regular a |
| 20:31.38 | annma | you can compile any version which requires your kdelibs |
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| 20:31.52 | flamesro1k | under ferramentas? |
| 20:32.46 | smacnay | mBehl: o.12.3 but it is not working with the icq and aim servers |
| 20:32.46 | carlosg | flamesro1k: no. locate an .exe file on konqueror. click it once and on the status bar see if you can see the "á" correctly |
| 20:32.46 | Renze | smacnay: the older versions won't work either... the servers have changed |
| 20:32.46 | annma | older you mean >0.12.3 smacnay ? |
| 20:32.48 | Renze | smacnay: there is already a patch available |
| 20:33.04 | smacnay | ah |
| 20:33.26 | smacnay | yes, 0.12.3 |
| 20:33.44 | flamesro1k | carlosg: works =) |
| 20:33.49 | mBehl | smacnay: im using kopete 12.3 and at least icq is working |
| 20:34.05 | Renze | I'm using 0.12.3 with the patch, and ICQ and AIM are working |
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| 20:34.33 | smacnay | mBehl: I guess I need to find the patch |
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| 20:35.08 | carlosg | flamesro1k: cool but it's wierd because i can't. i can see all kind of special characters anywhere but the "Executável" word on the status bar I can't |
| 20:35.22 | s3nse | hello could someone help me? I have some problems with...cygwin...... |
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| 20:37.00 | mBehl | smacnay: what version are you using exactly ? whats aptitude showing ? |
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| 20:39.14 | SimAtWork | s3nse: what problems are you having with cygwin? |
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| 20:41.47 | s3nse | SimAtWork: why when I try to use any text editor my bash didn't recognize the command? |
| 20:42.17 | SimAtWork | s3nse: maybe you don't have a text editor installed? |
| 20:42.24 | SimAtWork | s3nse: try vim |
| 20:42.27 | SimAtWork | oh, we're in #kde |
| 20:42.27 | SimAtWork | drat |
| 20:42.46 | s3nse | where can we talk ? |
| 20:42.55 | s3nse | renze sorry... |
| 20:43.04 | SimAtWork | join #cygwin i guess |
| 20:43.20 | s3nse | but there's no people :) |
| 20:43.29 | SimAtWork | i see 20 people |
| 20:43.53 | s3nse | sorry I've joined cygwinx .... |
| 20:44.04 | SimAtWork | how odd |
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| 20:45.12 | a9913 | i just installed amarok and it gives me this error: amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libamarok.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN9KLineEdit13focusOutEventEP11QFocusEvent |
| 20:45.30 | a9913 | anybody knows how i can fix this thing? |
| 20:45.58 | Renze | a9913: did you compile qt and amarok with the same version of gcc? |
| 20:46.13 | a9913 | Renze: dunno, i used a precomppiled binary |
| 20:46.15 | Renze | and kdelibs? |
| 20:46.20 | a9913 | *precompiled |
| 20:46.50 | Renze | looks as though you need to upgrade some packages |
| 20:47.06 | a9913 | which ones to be precise? |
| 20:47.23 | Renze | ask in your distro channel. I wouldn't even be able to guess. |
| 20:48.22 | Renze | if your package manager does dependency tracking, it should have done all that for you |
| 20:48.43 | benJIman | a9913: sounds like you used a binary for another distro, or another version of ke |
| 20:48.45 | benJIman | *kde |
| 20:49.00 | a9913 | i used yum to install it |
| 20:49.06 | a9913 | on fc5 |
| 20:49.08 | Renze | ack... fedora |
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| 20:49.36 | benJIman | bad packages then |
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| 20:50.43 | DebianTUX | i have many developers working on the same modelling project, using umbrello. i would like to know if there is a way to patch each other's xmi so they can develop in paralel. |
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| 20:54.45 | bluestorm | DebianTUX: |
| 20:55.25 | bluestorm | XMI looks like a xml file |
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| 20:55.47 | bluestorm | so perhaps you could use a xml diff tool |
| 20:56.01 | bluestorm | (googling a little gives me http://diffxml.sourceforge.net/ , for example) |
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| 21:08.59 | DebianTUX | bluestorm: thanks. iv tryed just patching using diff, but didnt worked |
| 21:11.21 | smacnay | hmm, I am new to kde (and window managers fancier than openbox, for that matter) and was reading around about mem management with kde and gnome. Seems kde is superior. |
| 21:13.49 | DebianTUX | kde is superior :-D |
| 21:17.38 | bluestorm | smacnay: and KDE4 will be even better |
| 21:17.45 | bluestorm | but in my opinion |
| 21:17.57 | bluestorm | you should not compare them with the memory usage |
| 21:18.27 | bluestorm | both are real Desktop Environnment, and their memory usage is *high* |
| 21:18.52 | bluestorm | maybe KDE is slightly better than GNOME, but it's high anyway |
| 21:19.30 | bluestorm | if you wanted the lightest (in memory) WM on the earth, neither KDE nor GNOME are good choice |
| 21:19.41 | DebianTUX | everybody says that g++ generate huge and slow executables, but even like that, kde is mostly writen in c++ and eats less memory than gnome, with more resources |
| 21:19.51 | bluestorm | hmm |
| 21:20.03 | bluestorm | i still think you should not take that into account |
| 21:20.10 | bluestorm | anyway it's still high |
| 21:20.19 | bluestorm | and anyway it's not the thinks that really matter in KDE |
| 21:20.34 | bluestorm | you shouldn't say "KDE is cool because it's light" : it's wrong |
| 21:20.48 | DebianTUX | its not my point |
| 21:21.10 | thiago | "light" is a relative term |
| 21:21.22 | bluestorm | and if some day GNOME get lightest than KDE (by 5 or 6 Mo only), you wouldn't say "GNOME is great because it's lightest". Doesn't make any sense, i think |
| 21:22.18 | bluestorm | (btw, it seems they're working on this kind of things for the OLPC) |
| 21:22.23 | DebianTUX | kde is usable, is integrated, is beautifull, is reliable. thats enought :-P |
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| 21:23.00 | bluestorm | ^^ |
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| 21:28.07 | Dr_willis | KDE cured my dog from wetting in the house! |
| 21:28.18 | DebianTUX | O.o |
| 21:28.28 | pinotree | o.O |
| 21:28.35 | Dr_willis | KDE and the People that love it.. on the Next Jenny Jones! |
| 21:28.38 | Pinaraf | thanks to KDE, Firefox is light... |
| 21:28.42 | Pinaraf | oops, problem |
| 21:28.44 | Pinaraf | it can't be |
| 21:28.48 | Pinaraf | firefox can't be light :) |
| 21:29.37 | DebianTUX | i whana compile firefox with qt and see if it works |
| 21:29.43 | Dr_willis | compared to OpenOffice , Firefox is light. |
| 21:30.19 | Renze | compared to OpenOffice, Rush Limbaugh is light |
| 21:30.32 | flamesro1k | carlosg: try pt_BR? |
| 21:30.40 | SimAtWork | open office is better than it used to be |
| 21:30.58 | DebianTUX | bluestorm: xml twig lib from perl isnt helping me too :-/ |
| 21:31.00 | SimAtWork | and remember when it was "Star Office" oh gosh |
| 21:31.02 | SimAtWork | those where the bad days |
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| 21:31.37 | carlosg | flamesro1k: no. i'm more like pt_PT ;-) but dont worry because I actualy don't use any ntfs partition and even more with .exe files ;-) |
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| 21:32.06 | flamesro1k | lol |
| 21:32.37 | Dr_willis | I rember the "Windows95ish GUI to StarOffice" :) |
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| 21:34.09 | SimAtWork | remembe how it had it's "OWN' desktop |
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| 21:34.23 | Dr_willis | it was StarDesktop! StarOS |
| 21:34.40 | Dr_willis | Wasent there some Java WordProcessor/Office thing came out about that time? |
| 21:35.07 | SimAtWork | i think Corel made one |
| 21:35.15 | SimAtWork | but it was a total flop, i never saw it myself |
| 21:35.24 | edward | office suites are pointless with TeX/LaTeX |
| 21:35.26 | SimAtWork | it was just way too slow |
| 21:35.39 | DebianTUX | edward: say that to my mom :) |
| 21:35.59 | SimAtWork | and office suites are perfect for people who just want to spit out al etter etc. |
| 21:36.05 | edward | DebianTUX: can't, trying to say that to mine |
| 21:36.08 | edward | :> |
| 21:36.10 | DebianTUX | hahaha |
| 21:36.12 | Dr_willis | I sort of like AbiWord. |
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| 21:36.44 | DebianTUX | in my daily use, koffice runs well form me |
| 21:37.04 | SimAtWork | koffice is prettygood |
| 21:37.13 | SimAtWork | but it's had some problems that have forced me back to open office |
| 21:37.19 | SimAtWork | like psating data into kspread |
| 21:37.31 | SimAtWork | everything goes into one cell instead of into the individual cells |
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| 21:44.23 | wizard123 | hi! |
| 21:44.47 | wizard123 | i haven't been here for ages |
| 21:44.51 | wizard123 | what's up # ? |
| 21:45.21 | vesuv | wizard123: It's always the same, we talk about KDE. |
| 21:45.24 | Half-Left | KDE thats whats up |
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| 21:45.33 | Half-Left | :p |
| 21:45.34 | wizard123 | good :D |
| 21:46.48 | wizard123 | actually i came here to ask about one thing.. |
| 21:46.56 | wizard123 | one, small thing :P |
| 21:47.09 | wizard123 | how can i disable smooth scrolling in kopete? |
| 21:47.25 | wizard123 | (i asked about it half year ago.. but i forgot :P) |
| 21:47.43 | benJIman | in the contact list? |
| 21:47.51 | wizard123 | yes |
| 21:47.52 | benJIman | SmoothScrolling=false in kopeterc |
| 21:47.56 | wizard123 | ah! |
| 21:47.59 | wizard123 | thanks |
| 21:48.03 | wizard123 | (again, iirc) |
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| 21:48.47 | benJIman | in section ContactList |
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| 21:50.09 | wizard123 | it works, thanks benJIman |
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| 21:54.59 | wizard123 | heh, kde with win95 scheme and color scheme looks leet =) |
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| 21:57.17 | smacnay | bluestorm: is kde 4 far off? |
| 21:57.26 | bluestorm | hm |
| 21:57.36 | Renze | mid 2007 |
| 21:57.43 | bluestorm | you know i'm just a kde user, so i'm not the best one to ask for that here ^^ |
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| 21:59.05 | wizard123 | :P |
| 21:59.19 | wizard123 | i have the 2.5.4 |
| 21:59.25 | wizard123 | 3.5.4 |
| 21:59.27 | wizard123 | rather |
| 21:59.28 | wizard123 | :P |
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| 21:59.57 | bluestorm | smacnay : http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html |
| 22:00.11 | smacnay | bluestorm: thanks |
| 22:00.57 | wizard123 | "This isn't decided yet." |
| 22:00.58 | wizard123 | :P |
| 22:01.05 | wizard123 | good answer |
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| 22:04.24 | maxell | hi there. |
| 22:04.34 | maxell | iam just trying to install my epson printer |
| 22:04.37 | wizard123 | hi maxell |
| 22:04.50 | maxell | it is plugged on my usb port but i can't determine which one :/ |
| 22:04.54 | maxell | hi wizard123 |
| 22:05.00 | maxell | i am using kde on gentoo |
| 22:05.04 | wizard123 | you don't need to |
| 22:05.16 | maxell | ? |
| 22:05.27 | maxell | it is plugged on: Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer |
| 22:05.28 | wizard123 | you can use kprinter or http://127.0.0.1:631 |
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| 22:05.44 | wizard123 | maxell: no matter where will you plug it it will work |
| 22:05.48 | maxell | oh |
| 22:06.02 | maxell | is kprinter already installed (with cups)? |
| 22:06.03 | stoft | when I manually mount a usb device it grabs the volume name from /etc/fstab, when I let KDE do the work it adds "-1" as a suffix, e.g. /media/LACIE becomes /media/LACIE-1 when mounted by KDE, what's wrong? |
| 22:06.08 | hagabaka | is there another kde application web browser using KHTML? |
| 22:06.08 | maxell | because i can't find it in portage |
| 22:06.12 | wizard123 | maxell: it is a part of kde |
| 22:06.23 | wizard123 | but i hate linux and gentoo :P |
| 22:06.46 | maxell | :) |
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| 22:06.56 | wizard123 | wait a second |
| 22:07.20 | maxell | you know which acccount details i have to use on localhost? |
| 22:07.28 | wizard123 | root's |
| 22:07.28 | maxell | wizard123: np |
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| 22:07.37 | maxell | oh :) |
| 22:08.30 | maxell | wizard123: client-error-not-possible |
| 22:08.35 | shnee | whats a good kde program for making backups |
| 22:08.48 | maxell | if i want to print a testpage |
| 22:09.04 | Renze | shnee: have a browse around http://www.kde-apps.org |
| 22:09.30 | wizard123 | mati@ptok.siodemka.p.lodz.pl pkg > grep -H kprinter -- */* |
| 22:09.35 | wizard123 | kdebase-3.5.4/+CONTENTS:bin/kprinter |
| 22:09.37 | shnee | yeh I was I was just wondering if people had an opinion on them |
| 22:09.40 | wizard123 | so, it is in kprinter |
| 22:09.49 | wizard123 | kdebase rather |
| 22:10.23 | maxell | so i tried to configure it through my printer and the gui |
| 22:10.31 | maxell | but no printing :/ |
| 22:10.37 | maxell | i gave him usb#1 |
| 22:10.53 | wizard123 | hmm.. |
| 22:11.01 | maxell | man it seems with time my hate increases |
| 22:11.13 | edward | shnee: kcron and a shell script? |
| 22:11.16 | maxell | *with time goes by - i mean |
| 22:11.24 | hollywoodb | here's a question I can't figure out: konqueror times out terribly on 85% of websites, it has done this under Fedora Core, Kubuntu, Mandriva, and PCLinuxOS in KDE versions 3.5.x... firefox and opera work just fine. I've played with the timeout settings in kcontrol to no avail |
| 22:11.54 | Renze | hollywoodb: disable IPv6 |
| 22:12.00 | hollywoodb | Renze: tried that as well |
| 22:12.11 | maxell | wizard123: any idea? |
| 22:12.16 | wizard123 | #cups |
| 22:12.30 | maxell | okay |
| 22:12.37 | wizard123 | i had usb printer only once |
| 22:12.40 | wizard123 | and it worked |
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| 22:13.09 | maxell | yeah, i guess it depends on me :) |
| 22:13.10 | wizard123 | maybe on #cups somebody will know something |
| 22:13.20 | wizard123 | at least, you can try |
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| 22:14.14 | maxell | wizard123: it seems that no one is there |
| 22:14.16 | maxell | :/ |
| 22:14.23 | maxell | hmm |
| 22:14.29 | maxell | or my client makes trouble :/ |
| 22:14.30 | wizard123 | not good.. you may try googling a bit.. |
| 22:14.38 | maxell | did this :) |
| 22:14.43 | wizard123 | no results? |
| 22:14.52 | wizard123 | (stupid question, sorry:) |
| 22:14.58 | maxell | thats why i am here :) |
| 22:15.14 | maxell | what usb port did you give him |
| 22:15.24 | maxell | the one time you had an usb printer |
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| 22:15.35 | wizard123 | i don't remember, it was under linux 2.4 |
| 22:15.49 | edward | maxell: did you install the driver for your printer? |
| 22:15.51 | wizard123 | i just selected "usb printer" and it worked |
| 22:15.56 | edward | maxell: try linuxprinting.org |
| 22:15.57 | maxell | it was in the list |
| 22:16.13 | maxell | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer |
| 22:16.22 | Mistress9 | ö |
| 22:16.22 | wizard123 | than i switched back to lpt |
| 22:16.25 | wizard123 | ó |
| 22:16.27 | edward | there is a #gentoo-printing and a #linuxprinting channel as well |
| 22:16.28 | maxell | will look there |
| 22:16.36 | wizard123 | good luck |
| 22:16.41 | Renze | ø |
| 22:16.41 | maxell | i need it :) |
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| 22:18.11 | edward | are you in the lp group? check the perm on the dev file? |
| 22:18.32 | maxell | lp group? |
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| 22:18.38 | maxell | i am new to this all |
| 22:18.47 | maxell | i am used to winXp |
| 22:19.00 | wizard123 | :) and you started with gentoo ? |
| 22:19.11 | wizard123 | good, good |
| 22:19.11 | edward | that's what I was about to say |
| 22:19.26 | hollywoodb | maxell: I had to get the latest PPD file from http://linuxprinting.org AND use http://localhost:631/ to add my USB HP printer and get it working properly |
| 22:19.26 | maxell | :)= |
| 22:19.30 | edward | maxell: maybe give kubuntu or opensuse a try |
| 22:19.32 | edward | :) |
| 22:19.36 | maxell | no chance |
| 22:19.37 | maxell | ^ |
| 22:19.48 | maxell | hollywoodb: will first add me to the lp group |
| 22:19.53 | mBehl | Renze: About my problem of displaying some characters, eg Japanese, installing intlfonts, respective their corresponding binary packets, was not helping kde. However Firefox is now displaying Japanese Characters. |
| 22:19.56 | maxell | because of localhost maxell # cat /etc/group | grep -i lp |
| 22:19.56 | maxell | lp:x:7:lp |
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| 22:20.00 | maxell | there is no maxell :) |
| 22:20.04 | edward | max no chance? |
| 22:20.16 | wizard123 | mBehl: try to find kochi-mincho-ttf |
| 22:20.25 | hollywoodb | maxell: I'm a member of lpadmin, not lp itself |
| 22:20.25 | frajagon | fluxbox |
| 22:20.28 | Renze | mBehl: weird... I installed intlfonts in gentoo, and everything started displaying international characters |
| 22:20.31 | wizard123 | good and beautifull set |
| 22:20.36 | wizard123 | frajagon: blackbox |
| 22:20.55 | maxell | hollywoodb: so i have to add me to on of them? |
| 22:20.55 | maxell | edward: i tried kubuntu for one day |
| 22:20.56 | frajagon | nubuntu |
| 22:21.02 | maxell | and the other distris i didn't even touch |
| 22:21.11 | mBehl | wizard123: firefox is displaying japanese, however kde is not. Both are set to the DejaVu Fonts. |
| 22:21.19 | hollywoodb | maxell: you shouldn't have to be a member of either of them afaik... http://localhost:631 should ask for root password if it needs it, and users should be able to use the printer either way |
| 22:21.22 | edward | maxell: what did you not like about kubuntu? |
| 22:21.33 | wizard123 | firefox uses gtk which handle fonts better than qt |
| 22:21.43 | wizard123 | edward: i guess all :P |
| 22:21.51 | mBehl | wizard123: im using gtk-engines-qt |
| 22:21.54 | maxell | edward: apt-get && the slowness :) |
| 22:22.09 | edward | compiling from source is faster? |
| 22:22.13 | pinotree | and gentoo is much faster to update? |
| 22:22.19 | wizard123 | mBehl: i think it only draws widgets.. |
| 22:22.23 | maxell | edward: i don't think so |
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| 22:22.26 | wizard123 | oops, distro wars |
| 22:22.30 | hollywoodb | on my laptop kubuntu is second only to slackware in speed |
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| 22:22.33 | wizard123 | all linux sux :P |
| 22:22.41 | wizard123 | imo |
| 22:22.42 | maxell | but my system did more better behave with gentoo & beryl then kubuntu & beryl :) |
| 22:22.48 | edward | wizard123: I agree :) |
| 22:22.51 | hollywoodb | beryl is buggy in itself |
| 22:22.54 | maxell | wizard123: yeah :) |
| 22:22.59 | wizard123 | edward: what do you use, than? |
| 22:23.07 | edward | OpenBSD |
| 22:23.10 | maxell | hollywoodb: but the performance was really weired on kubuntu |
| 22:23.18 | edward | :> |
| 22:23.19 | mBehl | wizard123: i can choose he fints i want to use. but i'll try your hint with the kochi-mincho-ttf. |
| 22:23.27 | maxell | so i grabbed gentoo and their it is unbeaten :) |
| 22:23.33 | wizard123 | try, try.. |
| 22:23.36 | frajagon | mm |
| 22:23.39 | wizard123 | edward: :> |
| 22:23.41 | hollywoodb | FreeBSD doesn't support ACPI at all on my laptop :( I just gave PCBSD a run about a week ago. unfortunate too, since it was blazingly fast |
| 22:23.50 | maxell | *their == there :) |
| 22:24.00 | wizard123 | hollywoodb: pcbsd = freebsd |
| 22:24.05 | wizard123 | openbsd != freebsd |
| 22:24.23 | wizard123 | i use openbsd on my notebook and it runs very smooth |
| 22:24.31 | edward | hollywoodb: OpenBSD is acquiring acpi support |
| 22:24.32 | hollywoodb | wizard123: I know that, but from what I've read openBSD has potentially worse ACPI support, which is why I tried PC/FreeBSD |
| 22:24.46 | hollywoodb | edward: I'll have to keep an eye on it then ;) |
| 22:24.49 | wizard123 | it has allmost none acpi support |
| 22:25.25 | edward | my understanding is that OpenBSD uspport revision 1 of acpi but not verison 2 |
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| 22:26.04 | smacnay | can kaddressbook save to a file that can be read or imported by kexi? |
| 22:26.09 | wizard123 | it has problems with battery support, but cpufreq works |
| 22:26.18 | wizard123 | smacnay: ldif ? |
| 22:26.39 | smacnay | ldif? Uhm, I will google that. |
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| 22:26.59 | hollywoodb | edward: FreeBSD could detect my battery fine, couldn't throttle CPU properly, LCD power management was nonexistent, and suspend/resume was broken |
| 22:27.26 | mBehl | wizard123: After restarting X it's now displaying correct Japanese in KDE too. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:27.36 | wizard123 | mBehl: your welcome |
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| 22:28.05 | maxell | hollywoodb: so i grabbed the gutenprint driver |
| 22:28.13 | mBehl | So in Debian Etch the binary packages of intlfont isn't working correct in KDE for me. |
| 22:28.36 | mBehl | Just have to search and install the missing fonts. |
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| 22:33.05 | wizard123 | and the silence began.. |
| 22:33.23 | SimAtWork | o |
| 22:33.25 | SimAtWork | i'm hungry |
| 22:34.04 | wizard123 | hehe |
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| 22:34.18 | wizard123 | hi root! |
| 22:34.23 | wizard123 | :D |
| 22:34.47 | hollywoodb | PCLinuxOS has a *very* nice KDE implementation... only problem is its lacking in power management support in both KDE and the distro as a whole |
| 22:35.07 | wizard123 | hollywoodb: i don't know ehat is that pcos |
| 22:35.17 | wizard123 | i've never seen it |
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| 22:35.55 | hollywoodb | wizard123: its a mandrake-based livecd distribution you can install to HD... mandrake/driva/whathaveyou is also poor in the power management aspect, which where PCLinuxOS probably inherited it |
| 22:36.20 | wizard123 | i thought that linux is linux :) |
| 22:36.44 | wizard123 | maybe some distros haven't it loaded, enabled,whatever by default |
| 22:36.52 | wizard123 | but you can allways enable it :) |
| 22:37.45 | hollywoodb | wizard123: yes, I can, and I did, but the bottom line is I'd rather get things done than get things working so I can get things done :) http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=713&slide=5&title=pclinuxos+0.93a+screenshots |
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| 22:42.52 | Veriphos | l |
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| 22:58.12 | litb | does someone know a good digital logic simulator for KDE? |
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| 22:58.45 | Roey | hey guys |
| 22:58.46 | Roey | er |
| 22:58.55 | litb | where i can build and simulate 7-segment-displays, flipflops, add-chips and such? |
| 22:59.13 | Roey | will only KDE4 do full GL-accelerated desktops? |
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| 23:01.49 | flamesro1k | is there a kde program that can translate words between languages? |
| 23:02.39 | pinotree | litb: tried ksimus? |
| 23:03.32 | Half-Left | I'm enjoying this already :) |
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| 23:03.50 | Half-Left | :p |
| 23:04.15 | litb | i saw screenshots of it. ut ktechlab looks nicer |
| 23:04.43 | pinotree | litb: what i can suggest you is: give both a try |
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| 23:06.29 | litb | yeah, i will look at them |
| 23:06.43 | hollywoodb | ktechlab *does* look cool, I'm taking an intro EE class using some of those components right now ;) |
| 23:10.15 | hollywoodb | [4 minutes later] ... yep, ktechlab is a keeper |
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| 23:31.38 | linux_galore | One week ago at Novell SuSe... Dev1 "did you feel that sudden chill down your spine, almost like millions of small knifes stabbing me in the back" ... Novell Dev2 "yeah and whats the deal with the guys with horns and pitchforks talking to the CEO" |
| 23:32.23 | Jucato | O_o |
| 23:32.35 | linux_galore | :-P |
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| 23:33.46 | benJIman | linux_galore: http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html |
| 23:33.48 | Jucato | I never knew my relatives were that close to the CEO :P |
| 23:34.36 | linux_galore | benJIman: read it, and they made a deal that wrong and infringes the GPL2 or greater |
| 23:35.15 | benJIman | linux_galore: no this is new , in the last couple of hours |
| 23:35.20 | benJIman | linux_galore: and it doesn't infringe gpl, read it |
| 23:35.56 | Jucato | Moglen only said it "might" be infringing. |
| 23:36.43 | benJIman | before he read it I might add |
| 23:36.44 | linux_galore | benJIman: FUD = "but these activities are outside the scope of the GPL." its defined in the GPL and more specifically the GPL3 |
| 23:37.00 | benJIman | linux_galore: not even in gplv3 |
| 23:37.13 | linux_galore | benJIman: no its more detailed in the GPL3 |
| 23:37.13 | benJIman | What microsoft does is not covered, they don't even distribute GPLed software |
| 23:37.23 | linux_galore | benJIman: it is |
| 23:37.34 | benJIman | Novell made a generalised agreement for everything, it's not even specified that it is todo with linux at all |
| 23:37.41 | benJIman | it covers their netware edirectory etc too |
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| 23:37.53 | linux_galore | benJIman: you cant re define the rights of the users of the copyright holder under the GPL |
| 23:38.13 | benJIman | linux_galore: and the agreement doesn't read the new FAQ please, or the actual legalese |
| 23:38.20 | linux_galore | benJIman: its a nice attempt but it's not floating |
| 23:38.20 | benJIman | and don't make incorrect assumptions |
| 23:38.36 | linux_galore | benJIman: I dont have to its there in black and white |
| 23:38.37 | benJIman | Novell are not licencing anything |
| 23:38.48 | benJIman | Novell are not redefining anyone's rights |
| 23:38.56 | linux_galore | benJIman: yes they are |
| 23:39.03 | benJIman | no they are not, read the agreement. |
| 23:39.22 | linux_galore | benJIman: I have and thats exactly what they are doing, the rest it comment ] |
| 23:39.25 | benJIman | They have not recieved and are not passing onto the customers any licence |
| 23:39.29 | linux_galore | s/it/is/ |
| 23:39.29 | benJIman | so the GPL has absolutely no bearing |
| 23:39.36 | linux_galore | benJIman: yes it does |
| 23:39.49 | benJIman | linux_galore: it only has bearing where novell are licencing patents |
| 23:40.24 | linux_galore | benJIman: just because they "Novell" try and say the GPL is irrelevant on this issue doesn't means its the truth |
| 23:40.57 | benJIman | linux_galore: There is nothing possibly they are doing that could infringe the GPL, they'd have to actually be doing something, Microsoft are the only party promising anything |
| 23:41.07 | linux_galore | benJIman: Novell can say the sky is green with yellow pokka dots but I dont define that ass the truth |
| 23:41.27 | hollywoodb | read groklaw's take on it |
| 23:41.30 | benJIman | linux_galore: and your statement is not true because you dislike microsoft, you need to have a clause Novell are violating, and they are violating none |
| 23:41.37 | benJIman | hollywoodb: groklaw's article is uninformed. |
| 23:41.47 | benJIman | hollywoodb: read the articles by the real laywers. |
| 23:41.54 | linux_galore | benJIman: you cant redefine the rights of one group of users with another under the GPL |
| 23:42.01 | benJIman | linux_galore: and Novell are not |
| 23:42.06 | benJIman | or they would be violating the GPL |
| 23:42.24 | linux_galore | benJIman: Novell have cut a deal hoping it would float, its not |
| 23:42.54 | benJIman | linux_galore: It is in perfect compliance if you actually read it, clearly you have closed your mind. |
| 23:43.00 | linux_galore | benJIman: Many companies daily make illegal deals that infringe contracts, its all about talking a chance, this one is just ribbish |
| 23:43.13 | benJIman | it infringes nothing. |
| 23:43.16 | linux_galore | s/talking/taking/ |
| 23:43.43 | benJIman | It was drafted by the best laywers in the world specifically not to infringe. |
| 23:44.08 | benJIman | And it has nothing specifically to do with linux or open source software |
| 23:44.12 | linux_galore | benJIman: no "just because Novell say its ok" doesn't redefine what the GPL actually says |
| 23:44.23 | benJIman | linux_galore: because you say it's not ok doesn't redefine what the GPL actually says |
| 23:44.27 | benJIman | and the GPL says it's perfectly fine |
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| 23:44.41 | benJIman | go read the GPL, and read the contract |
| 23:44.54 | linux_galore | benJIman: so Novell are "only" applying these rules to code that "isnt" covered by the GPL ?? |
| 23:45.03 | benJIman | linux_galore: novell are not applying any rules |
| 23:45.05 | linux_galore | benJIman: doubt it |
| 23:45.22 | benJIman | the clause is to prevent novell from using patent licence to restrict user's rights by only granting their customers the patent rights |
| 23:45.32 | benJIman | novell arn't licencing anything or extending anything to their customers |
| 23:45.37 | linux_galore | benJIman: its an indemnification agreement, its a "deal" that defines "rights" |
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| 23:46.13 | benJIman | linux_galore: it doesn't specify what softare is covered, and Novell extends no rights. |
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| 23:46.44 | linux_galore | benJIman: your avoiding the issue by blowing clouds of smoke |
| 23:47.00 | benJIman | no the GPL clause is not covering this at all. |
| 23:47.08 | linux_galore | benJIman: sorry it does |
| 23:47.13 | benJIman | It does not. |
| 23:47.19 | benJIman | Read what the real laywers say. |
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| 23:47.34 | kelvie | is there a way you can enable or disable options from the control center through the commandline? (sort of like gconf for gnome) |
| 23:47.51 | benJIman | letalis: well you could edit the appropriate config files. |
| 23:47.59 | kelvie | how would you force KDE to read them? |
| 23:48.03 | kelvie | I'd assume it doesn't get read every second |
| 23:48.04 | linux_galore | benJIman: if novell say's to it customer "and it is" they if you buy software from us you wont be hassled by Microsoft, that defines the users rights |
| 23:48.09 | benJIman | restart the appropriate |
| 23:48.15 | linux_galore | s/they/that/ |
| 23:48.17 | benJIman | linux_galore: but novell don't say that. |
| 23:48.58 | benJIman | and in any case it is mute as they havn't licenced anything. |
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| 23:49.47 | benJIman | Novell do not admit that their Free software they distribute infringes any patents, so the ycould not say that linux_galore |
| 23:50.08 | benJIman | linux_galore: and if their distributed software infringes no patents you have nothing to worry about. |
| 23:50.25 | benJIman | It probably does infringe patents, but novell are not selling or passing on that licence to you. |
| 23:50.33 | benJIman | They don't even admit that it exists |
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| 23:55.49 | linux_galore | This is how the fud shell game works on this, yeah. ok we (Novell) wont admit to infringing any patent so we have this deal just in case that we do and its only covers our users |
| 23:56.52 | linux_galore | its an attck on FOSS by stealth, its how gangsters works, ooh wouldnt it be bad if your produce never arrived, I can help with that |
| 23:56.59 | Jucato | linux_galore: actually, I think it's more like "actually, that patent coverage doesn't really come from us. It's Microsoft offering it to our users. so we're not really offering anything at all" |
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| 23:59.26 | Jucato | anyway... gotta run :) |
