| 00:00.11 | Renze | kill it! |
| 00:00.11 | nicergol | There is NO matter more important than the politics of your state. |
| 00:00.29 | Ardonik | RANDOM CAPS are an IDEAL way to EMPHASIZE your POINT. |
| 00:00.36 | Renze | it's a bot, dude |
| 00:01.11 | nicergol | FOLKS. |
| 00:01.22 | nicergol | Suits are for BUSINESSMEN trying to project an image of self-importance. |
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| 00:02.01 | nicergol | It is a DISGRACE for our politicians to be wearing them, let alone ITALIAN SILK SUITS. |
| 00:02.31 | Ardonik | A bs general politics spambot. |
| 00:02.32 | nicergol | HOW is he supposed to feel HUMBLE and RESPONSIBLE when he is DRESSED like a BIGWIG? |
| 00:02.36 | Ardonik | K-line, anyone? |
| 00:02.47 | nicergol | HOW when he is eating at the fanciest restaurants every day of the week? |
| 00:02.51 | Renze | go and ask nicely in #freenode |
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| 00:03.15 | Ardonik | After waiting for 15 minutes to get +v. |
| 00:03.30 | Renze | that bad, huh? |
| 00:03.43 | qupada | there is one staffer in the '/stats p' list |
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| 00:04.23 | Slack4020 | when i first installed flash sound worked |
| 00:04.26 | Slack4020 | now it does not work |
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| 00:05.02 | Slack4020 | and when i opened kplayer and juk sound worked |
| 00:05.08 | Slack4020 | at the same time |
| 00:06.03 | Renze | get rid of artsd and all your sound problems will magically disappear |
| 00:06.14 | Slack4020 | then juk will not work |
| 00:06.21 | Renze | works fine here without arts |
| 00:06.28 | Slack4020 | what juk ? |
| 00:06.33 | Renze | I haven't used arts in three years |
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| 00:06.39 | Renze | yes, JuK |
| 00:06.51 | Slack4020 | i see |
| 00:06.56 | Slack4020 | player / mplayer asll that too ? |
| 00:06.57 | Slack4020 | all |
| 00:07.24 | Renze | every sound app I use that does not depend exclusively on artsd works fine... and the only ones that depend exclusively are noatun and kaboodle |
| 00:07.41 | Renze | neither of which I bother building any more |
| 00:08.07 | nicergol | How about instituting some GUIDELINES on the life of the politician while he is serving the state? |
| 00:08.33 | nicergol | SHOULD your politician be allowed to escape to $150 meals every few hours? |
| 00:08.53 | nicergol | SHOULD he be allowed to sport $10K Italian suits while mingling with the elite? |
| 00:08.59 | Ardonik | Still no +v. |
| 00:09.12 | villr[]ye | ah |
| 00:09.21 | villr[]ye | trying to silence nicergol i see. |
| 00:09.28 | villr[]ye | that's what /ignore is for people |
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| 00:09.38 | nicergol | HOW can he aptly represent the state when he is made to feel like royalty? |
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| 00:10.12 | Renze | villr[]ye: the point is we should have to ignore every spambot that comes in... they shouldn't be allowed in the first place |
| 00:10.13 | nicergol | The fact of the matter is that the rich own politics. It is NOT a matter of the salaries or the benefits these men are given. |
| 00:10.16 | Slack4020 | well now flash works |
| 00:10.18 | Renze | shouldn't* |
| 00:10.21 | Slack4020 | but juK does not work |
| 00:10.31 | Slack4020 | nor does my system sounds |
| 00:10.35 | Slack4020 | start up sounds |
| 00:10.42 | nicergol | It is a matter of LIMITING how RICHLY they are allowed to live WHILE SERVING THE STATE. |
| 00:10.51 | Renze | Slack4020: set an external player for system notifications, and select another output for JuK |
| 00:11.05 | Renze | problem solved |
| 00:11.07 | nicergol | How about some debate, folks? |
| 00:11.21 | nicergol | What do you say to such an intelligent, reasoned stream of thought? |
| 00:11.34 | Renze | Settings -> Output to... |
| 00:12.13 | nicergol | How are you LOSERS going to feel when I am YOUR POLITICIAN? |
| 00:12.16 | villr[]ye | Renze: right. let's make a police state out of IRC. |
| 00:12.22 | nicergol | Are you then going to be so complacent and SILENT? |
| 00:12.29 | Slack4020 | my juK wont even start up |
| 00:12.29 | Renze | villr[]ye: it is already |
| 00:12.31 | villr[]ye | if i wanted an environment like that then i wouldn't be here. |
| 00:12.41 | nicergol | Or are you going to be crying out to high Heaven to see me LIVING MORE HUMBLY? |
| 00:12.48 | Slack4020 | andwhat do i put for external sound ? |
| 00:13.00 | villr[]ye | Renze: no it isn't. and the fact that nicergol is here proves that. |
| 00:13.07 | Renze | Slack4020: I recommend "play" from the sox package... it plays pretty much every format there is |
| 00:13.22 | Slack4020 | Renze: i want to use juK |
| 00:13.30 | villr[]ye | and how many bots come in compared to actually users to make what you're asking for useful. |
| 00:13.36 | Renze | Slack4020: build JuK with more output support than just artsd |
| 00:13.44 | Slack4020 | Renze: but again what do i put in the external thingy |
| 00:13.47 | villr[]ye | we have what, 1 bot to 265 people ? big deal. |
| 00:13.52 | Renze | Slack4020: "play" |
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| 00:13.59 | Slack4020 | Renze: hmmmmmmm well how can i un install my current juk ? |
| 00:14.08 | Renze | Slack4020: distro related |
| 00:14.10 | Slack4020 | its like built into the kde multi media package etc |
| 00:14.18 | villr[]ye | grow up and use /ignore, it doesn't take that much effort. |
| 00:14.35 | nicergol | FOLKS. You hate the fact that I live like royalty. |
| 00:14.44 | Renze | maintaining an ignore list takes effort |
| 00:14.48 | nicergol | But the intereseting thing is that you STOP caring the moment I am YOUR POLITICIAN. |
| 00:15.04 | villr[]ye | It's exactly this mentality which has allowed Bush to get away with instating legalized torture in the first place. |
| 00:15.05 | Renze | especially when the bots have a new IP each time |
| 00:15.09 | nicergol | This is very interesting indeed. |
| 00:15.14 | Renze | I'm not in the US, dude |
| 00:15.15 | villr[]ye | but i digress. |
| 00:15.18 | nicergol | It STIRS THE IMAGINATION. |
| 00:15.24 | Slack4020 | Renze: well anyway i can uninstall it just manually |
| 00:15.27 | nalioth | nicergol: did you get a PM from me? |
| 00:15.41 | Slack4020 | but i dont know where all the files are |
| 00:15.53 | villr[]ye | Renze: yes, but i am. and I have no intention of letting IRC channels I frequent become the same. |
| 00:16.08 | nicergol | AM I THE ONLY ONE IN HERE DRESSED FROM HEAD TO TOE IN FORMAL ITALIAN SILK? |
| 00:16.08 | Ardonik | nalioth: it's a bot. |
| 00:16.22 | villr[]ye | Renze: all because you're too damn lazy to right-click someone's name and do something about it yourself. |
| 00:16.51 | Ardonik | Thanks! |
| 00:16.52 | Renze | villr[]ye: finished your diatribe yet? |
| 00:17.18 | villr[]ye | Renze: if you're finished bitchin' about the bot... |
| 00:17.35 | Renze | the bot is gone, in case you hadn't noticed |
| 00:17.36 | Ardonik | villr[]ye: the only one I see going apeshit right now is yourself -- forgive my Greek. |
| 00:18.00 | Ardonik | Yes, I despise Bush too. But I don't see why you should take it out on Renze. |
| 00:19.27 | villr[]ye | Ardonik: a) I'm not taking it out on Renze. I'm simply drawing parallels between people giving up there freedom's for percieved freedom and b) if Renzehadn't been "going apeshit" himself then I would've stayed quiet |
| 00:20.06 | villr[]ye | Renze: just like anyone here has the right to feel however they want, and likewise I can disagree. Verbally if necessary. |
| 00:20.25 | Renze | perceptions vary, I guess |
| 00:20.31 | villr[]ye | indeed |
| 00:21.04 | phlux | Does KDE come with some type of calendar/planner? |
| 00:21.13 | Renze | korganizer |
| 00:21.28 | Renze | which embeds nicely into kontact |
| 00:21.31 | phlux | What package is it a part of? |
| 00:21.35 | Renze | kdepim |
| 00:22.17 | phlux | Thanks :) |
| 00:28.04 | qupada | god damn it's difficult writing "hey! look at me, i'm so great" crap for your CV :\ |
| 00:28.29 | Renze | qupada: that's why I prefer getting someone else to do it for me :D |
| 00:28.40 | qupada | Renze: fair enough |
| 00:29.09 | Renze | then I read it and think "is this about me?" |
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| 00:36.16 | Lektron | Hello all. I need some troubleshooting assistance with KAudioCreator on Debian Unstable with KDE 3.5.5. |
| 00:36.38 | Lektron | KAudioCreator used to work fine, but after a recent dist-upgrade it will no longer rip complete tracks. |
| 00:36.48 | Lektron | CDParanoia still works fine from command line. |
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| 00:37.08 | Lektron | I'm not sure how to sort it out. |
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| 00:40.16 | scast | ahh, i love gg:mysearch and wp:topic :-) |
| 00:40.51 | Sutoka | scast: avoid CoolWebSearch |
| 00:41.38 | scast | o_o |
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| 00:44.37 | Lektron | Is there a better, alternate IRC channel for KAudioCreator questions? |
| 00:45.15 | Slack4020 | whats a way to un install software ? |
| 00:45.18 | Slack4020 | manually ? |
| 00:45.30 | Ardonik | Slack4020: that depends heavily on the distro and not a whit on KDE. |
| 00:45.33 | Sutoka | Slack4020: your package manager |
| 00:45.42 | Slack4020 | like how can i know all what files are stored in a program |
| 00:45.48 | Slack4020 | no i cant use package manager for this |
| 00:45.53 | Slack4020 | i want to un unstall juk |
| 00:46.01 | Slack4020 | and thats inside of my KDE multi media package |
| 00:46.12 | Sutoka | Slack4020: get a distro that packages kde better |
| 00:46.30 | Ardonik | Slack4020: you still need to uninstall it using your distro--that's the way you installed it. |
| 00:46.48 | Ardonik | If all you did was build it from source, you can make uninstall, but otherwise, you *have* to use the package manager. |
| 00:47.00 | Slack4020 | i didnt build this distyro |
| 00:47.11 | Slack4020 | you dont understand |
| 00:47.22 | Slack4020 | i need to build juK from source |
| 00:47.29 | Ardonik | Then build it. |
| 00:47.33 | Slack4020 | buuut |
| 00:47.40 | Slack4020 | i need ot un install the older one i have here |
| 00:47.41 | Sutoka | Slack4020: you can install it somewhere else, earlier in the path |
| 00:47.50 | Ardonik | make uninstall from the old source code tree. |
| 00:47.54 | Renze | you don't need to uninstall if you're installing the built version in the same place |
| 00:47.59 | Slack4020 | but the one i have instaled the package is combined with like 6 programs |
| 00:48.13 | Ardonik | Make uninstall will only remove what make install installed. |
| 00:48.21 | Slack4020 | Renze: well i would like to remove the old version before i build the new :P |
| 00:48.42 | Renze | Slack4020: then you will have to use your package manager |
| 00:50.41 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 00:51.13 | Slack4020 | is there a way i can see what dir's juk ues? |
| 00:51.21 | Sutoka | Slack4020: depends on your package manager |
| 00:51.24 | Ardonik | By asking your distro's package manager. |
| 00:51.33 | Renze | use your package manager to list the contents of the package |
| 00:51.45 | Ardonik | Slack4020: the fact that you've received the same answer from three different people several times ought to tell you something. |
| 00:53.04 | Lektron | What does the fact that I received no answer from anyone tell me? My feelings are hurt . . . nobody likes me . . . wahhh ! |
| 00:53.17 | Lektron | ;) |
| 00:53.23 | Sutoka | Lektron: i don't think theres a kaudiocreator irc channel |
| 00:53.33 | SuN | Lektron: don't worry, we know the answer. It's just a personal thing. |
| 00:53.39 | Renze | Lektron: we can't answer your question until you can provide us with a list of every relevant package updated in your dist-upgrade |
| 00:53.45 | Lektron | ouch ! |
| 00:53.52 | SuN | :) kidding |
| 00:53.56 | Slack4020 | whats the *nix command to remove dir ? |
| 00:54.01 | Sutoka | Slack4020: rmdir |
| 00:54.13 | Sutoka | Slack4020: or rm -rf /path/to/directory (careful about that one) |
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| 00:54.24 | Lektron | Renze: yeah, i know its not a simple question. just thought someone else might have already dealt with it. |
| 00:54.40 | Renze | Lektron: sorry, I've never used debian and probably never will |
| 00:54.47 | Sutoka | ditto |
| 00:54.50 | Lektron | With Debian Sid, it's always fun. |
| 00:54.58 | Slack4020 | it says directory not empty with rmdir ? |
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| 00:55.48 | Sutoka | Slack4020: then use rm -rf /path/to/directory |
| 00:56.14 | SuN | Slack4020: no offence, but I think it's time to read a basic Linux tutorial. |
| 00:56.23 | Ardonik | Sutoka: you'll regret telling him that. |
| 00:56.41 | Slack4020 | SuN: i been using linux for 4 years just never had ot use that command |
| 00:56.57 | Ardonik | Slack4020: *amazing*. I use the command almost every day. |
| 00:57.04 | Renze | SuN: I think it's time to read a basic Linux tutorial |
| 00:57.05 | Slack4020 | i use kde |
| 00:57.10 | Ardonik | I've been using Linux for three years. |
| 00:57.25 | Renze | er, Slack4020 ^^ |
| 00:57.26 | Slack4020 | i would just use a gui but i didn't feel like it |
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| 00:57.37 | SuN | Nevertheless, your basic bash/shell tutorial covers that. |
| 00:57.47 | Renze | man rm |
| 00:57.47 | Slack4020 | Renze: its one of the few commands i didn't know |
| 00:57.53 | SuN | It's not too late after 4 years :) |
| 00:57.56 | SuN | Haha |
| 00:57.59 | Slack4020 | i use bash and CL everyday |
| 00:58.00 | SuN | One of the few commands. |
| 00:58.09 | Renze | and you've never deleted a file? |
| 00:58.16 | Slack4020 | i use rm all the time |
| 00:58.24 | Sutoka | Renze: mv /path/to/file /dev/shm ftw! |
| 00:58.29 | Slack4020 | just never deleted a directory with CL |
| 00:58.34 | Renze | Sutoka: heh :D |
| 00:58.47 | Sutoka | too bad you can't move directories to /dev/null... |
| 00:58.51 | SuN | Well, if you had read the tutorial 4 years ago, you wouldn't have had to fire up konqueror every time you wanted to delete a directory, heh. |
| 00:58.54 | Renze | Slack4020: and you've never typed man rm and read the man page? |
| 00:59.04 | Slack4020 | Renze: never |
| 00:59.10 | Renze | *sigh* |
| 00:59.13 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 00:59.19 | Slack4020 | just some googling when i need cl help |
| 00:59.24 | Renze | chosen ignorance... I'll never understand that |
| 00:59.25 | Slack4020 | but i just asked the simple question here |
| 00:59.47 | Slack4020 | anyways i never compiled anything from kde svn do they require i have anything to do that ? |
| 00:59.52 | Slack4020 | i am going to compile juk |
| 00:59.59 | Renze | a working build chain |
| 01:00.03 | Slack4020 | i mean require as in anything wierd and extra |
| 01:00.22 | Sutoka | Slack4020: which part of svn? trunk? |
| 01:00.37 | Sutoka | Slack4020: if so, you need kdelibs4 and a good bit of other things, and it'll just die probably on startup |
| 01:00.48 | Slack4020 | no no |
| 01:00.53 | Slack4020 | i want to build kde 3 juk |
| 01:01.48 | Sutoka | then you shouldn't need anything special, except a build tool chain and the corresponding -dev or -devel packages (don't remember which debian uses) |
| 01:02.08 | Renze | he's a slacker, methinks |
| 01:02.39 | Sutoka | i thought he said debian... |
| 01:02.49 | Red_Cloud | Upon opening of my KDE desktop, I receive this error message: "Composite extension not found" "You must use XOrg ? 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work. Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X config file: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection |
| 01:02.55 | Slack4020 | im a slacker yes |
| 01:02.55 | Renze | no, that was Lektron |
| 01:03.03 | Red_Cloud | Where would I find the config file mentioned? |
| 01:03.14 | Sutoka | Red_Cloud: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:03.15 | Slack4020 | also juk hasnt had a svn commit in 17 months wtf |
| 01:03.23 | Sutoka | Red_Cloud: you need at least Xorg 6.8.2 |
| 01:03.30 | Renze | Slack4020: everybody prefers Amarok, it seems |
| 01:03.42 | Sutoka | Slack4020: depends on which part of svn you're looking in |
| 01:03.43 | Slack4020 | yes |
| 01:03.48 | Slack4020 | well |
| 01:03.52 | Slack4020 | branches > juk |
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| 01:04.00 | Red_Cloud | Sutoka, I have 7.0.22. Thanks for the location of that file |
| 01:04.35 | Slack4020 | is there another place besides branches -> juk |
| 01:04.38 | Jucato | Red_Cloud: it seems you have enabled translucency and shadows. warning kompmgr isn't all that stable... |
| 01:04.42 | Sutoka | Red_Cloud: fyi, 'normal' composite managers are pretty slow and unstable |
| 01:04.55 | Slack4020 | looks like the kde 3 stuff isnt all to being updated often |
| 01:05.59 | Renze | Slack4020: most new development is going into kde4 these days, I would imagine |
| 01:06.18 | Red_Cloud | jucato, I would very much like to disable the translucency and shadows but do not know where to go to turn them off. Maybe in the config file? |
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| 01:06.26 | Sutoka | Slack4020: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/juk/ <-- last update 3 days ago |
| 01:06.33 | Jucato | Red_Cloud: no. somewhere in KControl (forgot where...) |
| 01:06.35 | Sutoka | Slack4020: thats the kde4 dev branch for it |
| 01:06.47 | Renze | Red_Cloud: control centre -> desktop -> window behaviour, translucency tab |
| 01:06.50 | Slack4020 | i dont want the kde 4 one |
| 01:06.53 | Sutoka | Red_Cloud: KControl -> Desktop -> Window - screw you Renze |
| 01:06.54 | Slack4020 | i use kde 3.5.5 |
| 01:07.01 | Jucato | oh there thanks Renze :) |
| 01:07.03 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:07.04 | Sutoka | Slack4020: then why are you trying to build it from svn? |
| 01:07.16 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: the one i had was not builkt for alsa |
| 01:07.17 | Renze | Sutoka: I'm flattered, but my door don't swing that way ;) |
| 01:07.24 | Slack4020 | it only had arts output |
| 01:08.02 | Sutoka | Slack4020: juk can't output directly to alsa |
| 01:08.12 | Homer | so SVN trunk is KDE4 development? |
| 01:08.15 | Renze | Slack4020: Juk supports the following output options: Arts, GStreamer, and aKode |
| 01:08.15 | Slack4020 | wtf |
| 01:08.16 | Sutoka | Slack4020: it needs some media framework, whether arts, akode, or gstreamer |
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| 01:08.19 | Sutoka | Homer: yes |
| 01:08.24 | Slack4020 | i seee |
| 01:08.34 | Slack4020 | well whats better akode or gstreamer ? |
| 01:08.39 | Sutoka | Slack4020: akode |
| 01:08.41 | Slack4020 | arts == casued problems |
| 01:08.43 | Renze | I prefer akode |
| 01:09.10 | Slack4020 | do i have to get new mp3 libs for akode now ? |
| 01:09.21 | Slack4020 | i think i had like lib-mad or something |
| 01:09.29 | Slack4020 | or does that work for all of them |
| 01:10.17 | Red_Cloud | Thanks you very much for the information concerning the translucency and shadows. I have now turned them off and will no longer be bothered with the error messages. |
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| 01:10.58 | Renze | Red_Cloud: no problem |
| 01:11.02 | gak1987 | hello, i'm just wondering if anyone knows how to fix the font problem in kde 3.5.5 |
| 01:11.13 | Sutoka | gak1987: definite 'font problems' |
| 01:11.27 | gak1987 | Sutoka: anti-aliasing on certain groups of fonts and not others |
| 01:11.36 | gak1987 | Sutoka: well I really mean hinting |
| 01:12.04 | Renze | gak1987: disable the range |
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| 01:12.13 | Sutoka | gak1987: KControl -> Appearance & ...something -> Fonts -> little button thingy... |
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| 01:12.33 | Jucato | wow that's very... um... detailed :) |
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| 01:12.35 | Renze | gak1987: also, bitmap fonts are kinda hard to antialias |
| 01:12.40 | Shadow_mil | how can I reset my KDE menu back to system default? |
| 01:12.47 | Sutoka | Jucato: screw you to! o.o |
| 01:12.48 | Mythor | where can i find information on how to use .directory ? |
| 01:12.51 | gak1987 | Sutoka: i don't have an exclude range selected.. |
| 01:12.53 | Jucato | Sutoka: heheh :) |
| 01:13.04 | gak1987 | Renze: I know :p, thanks |
| 01:13.05 | Renze | Mythor: in the freedesktop.org standards section |
| 01:13.06 | Sutoka | Mythor: you mean .desktop? |
| 01:13.15 | Mythor | Sutoka: no .directory |
| 01:13.19 | Mythor | Renze: k tnx |
| 01:13.31 | Sutoka | oh right, those files... |
| 01:13.31 | Gray9Mar_ | hi. is there an way to connect to kde via rfb when no user is logged in? |
| 01:13.31 | Gray9Mar_ | ..directly to kdm |
| 01:13.43 | Shadow_mil | Sutoka: ? |
| 01:13.50 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.55 | Sutoka | Gray9Mar_: use xdmp... or whatever its called |
| 01:14.02 | gak1987 | i've tried changing the settings, on all fonts, but it has no effect |
| 01:14.17 | Gray9Mar_ | Sutoka: ok, will look for it |
| 01:14.18 | Gray9Mar_ | thx |
| 01:14.22 | gak1987 | the only font whose hinting/anti-aliasing can change is the 'General' group |
| 01:15.15 | Shadow_mil | Sutoka: how can I set my KDE app menu back to the system default? |
| 01:15.41 | Sutoka | Shadow_mil: look at Jucato's message |
| 01:15.57 | Jucato | Sutoka: lol.. could you fill in the blanks? :) |
| 01:16.29 | Jucato | then I won't have to guess answers :) |
| 01:16.38 | Sutoka | Shadow_mil: ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 01:16.41 | Shadow_mil | sorry... I am in IRSSI, hard to pick out things pointed to me, when you do state my name |
| 01:16.42 | Mythor | Renze: is there an official term for the .directory stuff ? the search doesnt help a lot :) |
| 01:17.00 | Jucato | Renze: hehehe :) |
| 01:17.13 | Sutoka | Mythor: http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html |
| 01:17.23 | Sutoka | Mythor: er... maybe not |
| 01:17.48 | Shadow_mil | got to restart bbl |
| 01:17.55 | Mythor | yah i just read that one, kind of hoped it wasn't the page ;P |
| 01:17.55 | Jucato | whoa? restart? |
| 01:18.03 | Renze | Mythor: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ |
| 01:18.09 | Jucato | all he needed was to refresh the menu or kicker... |
| 01:18.10 | Sutoka | Jucato: stupid kids these days and their made up words! |
| 01:18.14 | Homer | what is a .ui file |
| 01:18.20 | Sutoka | Homer: qt designer file |
| 01:18.38 | Mythor | thanks Renze |
| 01:18.48 | Renze | Mythor: at least I think that's it :D |
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| 01:20.35 | Mythor | Renze: thats what i wanted :) |
| 01:20.40 | Renze | cool |
| 01:20.43 | Jucato | um... is there a gdebi counterpart in KDE? (someone asking in the forums) |
| 01:20.54 | Renze | wtf is gdebi? |
| 01:20.57 | Sutoka | Jucato: wtf is bgdebi? |
| 01:21.00 | Sutoka | Renze: you suck |
| 01:21.05 | Renze | gdebi does dallas? |
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| 01:21.14 | Jucato | gdebi = GUI app for installing .deb files |
| 01:21.20 | Renze | Sutoka: at every opportunity, yes :D |
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| 01:22.19 | Renze | Jucato: adept? |
| 01:22.36 | Jucato | err... iirc Adept can't? |
| 01:22.51 | Renze | wouldn't know... never used a .deb based distro :D |
| 01:23.00 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:23.18 | Jucato | hehe |
| 01:23.56 | gak1987 | so no one else has experienced a anti-aliasing/hinting problem in 3.5.5? |
| 01:23.56 | Renze | those too |
| 01:24.14 | Sutoka | gak1987: looks fine on my system |
| 01:24.22 | Renze | gak1987: not I... looks the same as in 3.5.4 here... and 3.5.3, and 3.5.2... |
| 01:24.38 | Renze | gary says "moo" |
| 01:24.45 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:24.51 | gak1987 | :/ thanks |
| 01:24.58 | Sutoka | Renze: you should install 'moo', its pretty damn useful |
| 01:25.07 | Renze | what's it for? |
| 01:25.15 | Sutoka | its a portage tool |
| 01:25.16 | qupada | Renze: just do it... 'emerge moo' |
| 01:25.17 | Sutoka | its awesome |
| 01:25.27 | Sutoka | yeah, just freaking install it already |
| 01:25.37 | Sutoka | s/install/merge/ |
| 01:25.43 | Sutoka | ~killall apt |
| 01:25.53 | Renze | nice ascii art :D |
| 01:25.55 | qupada | Sutoka: have you got games-misc/cowsay? |
| 01:26.04 | Sutoka | qupada: i think i installed it once |
| 01:28.01 | Dr_willis | fortune | cowsay |
| 01:28.03 | Dr_willis | :) |
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| 01:28.24 | Ardonik | ?Parse error on line 1 |
| 01:28.30 | Sutoka | the only text art that takes up more hd space than a uncompressed png screenshot! |
| 01:28.32 | Ardonik | Unrecognized encoding: 'utf256' |
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| 01:29.21 | Sutoka | Ardonik: wow, what doesn't support utf256??? |
| 01:29.47 | Ardonik | What in the lord's name is UTF256? |
| 01:29.56 | Renze | something Sutoka made up |
| 01:30.00 | Sutoka | Renze: hush |
| 01:30.01 | Ardonik | Oh. |
| 01:30.15 | Sutoka | Ardonik: don't believe the foul lies that Renze spreads |
| 01:30.27 | Sutoka | Ardonik: hes one of those 'ansi' zealots |
| 01:30.46 | Renze | no, I'm an 'iso' zealot :P |
| 01:31.19 | Ardonik | It's not ascii art if it's not 8-bit clean. |
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| 01:32.22 | Dr_willis | I recall opening a .avi once with mc, while sshing to a box.. and it played some how in ascii-mode. :P |
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| 01:32.35 | Dr_willis | i was soo confused. :) |
| 01:32.40 | Sutoka | Dr_willis: mplayer and others have aalib output |
| 01:32.43 | Renze | mplayer with aalib support? |
| 01:32.51 | Dr_willis | just wasent expecting THAT... |
| 01:33.04 | Renze | Dr_willis: embrace the power! |
| 01:33.10 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 01:33.19 | Dr_willis | aadoom or was it aaquake :) |
| 01:33.49 | [shroom] | SDL supports aalib and libcaca graphics output. |
| 01:34.00 | Renze | caca? |
| 01:34.08 | Renze | are we back to poo references again? |
| 01:34.11 | Sutoka | Renze: like aa, but with color |
| 01:34.15 | Dr_willis | bb - ASCII-art demo based on AAlib |
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| 01:35.00 | Ardonik | Renze: libcaca. Colored Ascii Console Art, or something of that nature. |
| 01:35.09 | Ardonik | It's aalib in 16 colors. |
| 01:36.04 | Sutoka | Renze: aww, don't poo poo the joke yet! someone may get it eventually! |
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| 01:49.47 | Endler | I just got a 2GB U3-enabled smart drive for $29. Can U3 be make at all usable under Linux/KDE now or in the near future, or should I just get the utility to remove U3 and turn it into a regular Flash storage device? |
| 01:52.10 | Endler | 264 people logged on and not conversation. Must be Konversation's auto login at startup feature at work :) |
| 01:52.30 | Sutoka | Endler: or no one has a clue what a U3 enabled smart drive is |
| 01:52.36 | Sutoka | at least thats my excuse |
| 01:52.40 | Renze | mine too |
| 01:52.54 | Renze | wtf is U3? |
| 01:54.12 | Sutoka | wtf |
| 01:54.17 | Sutoka | i just looked at the wikipedia article |
| 01:54.32 | Sutoka | its a hack to make it flash drives work nice with windows apps it looks like |
| 01:54.44 | Renze | ah, so it's useless |
| 01:54.45 | Sutoka | "U3 is responsible for the development of a proprietary application design specification created for Microsoft Windows operating systems so that applications can be executed directly from a specially formatted USB flash drive." |
| 01:55.17 | Sutoka | ""U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which emulates the Windows OS start menu, and controls program installation." |
| 01:55.21 | Kyral | wheras in Linux all you gotta do is set the exec option in FStab :D |
| 01:55.38 | Renze | Windows blows goats |
| 01:55.50 | Sutoka | "The U3 Launchpad is a program manager that is preinstalled on every U3 smart drive, and is set to autoplay on insertion. [1] Since the autoplay feature doesn't work on USB mass storage devices, a partition with the U3 Launchpad pretends to be a CD/DVD-ROM device." |
| 01:56.08 | Sutoka | but this is too funny |
| 01:56.18 | Endler | Yeah, I know it's mostly for Windows, but you never know, Linux guys get their fingers in everything and figured someone might be doing something with it for Linux. |
| 01:56.33 | Renze | unlikely... it's a useless feature |
| 01:56.56 | Renze | there is no reason to support it outside of Windows |
| 01:57.02 | Sutoka | it requires modifications to windows programs to work... haha |
| 01:57.43 | Sutoka | you should have no problem accessing it from any OS though |
| 01:58.22 | Endler | I might not have full access to all the space though, if I don't remove it. |
| 01:58.22 | Renze | removing the U3 stuff will give you more space, however :D |
| 01:59.00 | dwango | does kdm allow selecting between multiple ServerLayouts? |
| 01:59.02 | Sutoka | Endler: you won't, since some of it is used for their launchpad crapware |
| 01:59.15 | Endler | Any of you running something like damn small or puppy off flash? |
| 01:59.24 | Renze | nope |
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| 02:00.39 | Endler | I wonder if there are any kde distros optimized for booting off of flash drives. |
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| 02:02.43 | neopc | oi |
| 02:02.50 | Renze | vey |
| 02:03.29 | don | oi |
| 02:04.12 | don | alquem afim de tc? |
| 02:04.19 | Renze | english only, please |
| 02:04.58 | Endler | Damn, could the package be any harder to get apart? :) |
| 02:05.17 | Renze | Endler: blowtorch? |
| 02:06.00 | Endler | That would work on the Titatium model, but this one has a plastic casing. :) |
| 02:06.20 | Renze | sledgehammer? |
| 02:06.48 | don | alquem fala portuquês |
| 02:07.14 | Endler | Managed to get it open with a razer blade. Wonder how many cases the ER's get each year from people slipping up trying to get these packages open. |
| 02:07.37 | qupada | gotta love that |
| 02:07.48 | qupada | i like to refer to it as 'hermetically sealed' |
| 02:07.51 | Sutoka | Endler: those plastic seal things? |
| 02:07.55 | Jucato | don: this is an English channel |
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| 02:08.05 | svm_invictvs | Hello.. |
| 02:08.20 | svm_invictvs | all my icons dissappeared, what brings those back? |
| 02:08.25 | Endler | Yeah. They are unbelievable. |
| 02:08.30 | svm_invictvs | Is it...kdesktop or something, right? |
| 02:08.33 | AssociateX | where can I find the KDE DVD Authoring Wizard |
| 02:09.37 | Slack4020 | what do you ugys like better juk or amarok ? |
| 02:09.58 | qupada | AssociateX: kde-apps.org i think |
| 02:10.33 | xsacha | Noatun |
| 02:10.34 | Sutoka | Slack4020: Amarok |
| 02:11.03 | Sutoka | xsacha: are you a masochist? |
| 02:11.09 | qupada | Slack4020: since you asked, i'm going to say neither |
| 02:11.25 | qupada | mpd :D |
| 02:11.28 | xsacha | what's wrong with noatun? |
| 02:11.43 | Endler | Hmm 1.9GB free. Guess I'll just leave it be for now. |
| 02:11.53 | xsacha | change the theme, it's great |
| 02:11.55 | Slack4020 | Renze: are you suuuure juk works without arts ? |
| 02:12.01 | Renze | Slack4020: yes |
| 02:12.05 | Slack4020 | on this forum they are acting like it won't |
| 02:12.10 | don | fuck |
| 02:12.18 | Renze | ignore the forum |
| 02:12.21 | Sutoka | its pretty much an xmms clone, no management capabilities for large collections |
| 02:12.30 | Renze | Slack4020: want a screenshot of my Juk Output to... menu?> |
| 02:12.37 | xsacha | i have a few playlists with 1000 songs sutoka |
| 02:12.43 | Slack4020 | Renze: i belive you |
| 02:12.45 | Slack4020 | belivie |
| 02:12.52 | xsacha | bolivia? |
| 02:12.54 | Renze | "believe" :) |
| 02:13.05 | qupada | bovine? |
| 02:13.11 | Sutoka | xsacha: just cause you have freakishly large playlists, doesn't mean its simple to make them |
| 02:13.22 | don | oi |
| 02:13.33 | xsacha | it was simple to make :S took about 5 secs |
| 02:13.43 | Slack4020 | bolivia ? |
| 02:14.13 | Renze | bolognese? |
| 02:14.32 | Endler | Mounted up great in KDE. Funny thing is I have a couple of front access usb ports. I could never get them to work before under XP so I always used the rear ones. Yesterday, I though, Hey, you know, I've never tried them since switching to Linux, so I tried them again, and mount right up under KDE. :) |
| 02:14.39 | Endler | Nice surprise. |
| 02:16.17 | Slack4020 | i kinda think i want amarok now :P |
| 02:16.28 | xsacha | audacity, you mean? |
| 02:16.40 | Renze | audacity blows |
| 02:17.19 | xsacha | :'( |
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| 02:17.50 | Renze | if I want a music player that looks like it's from the early 1990s, I'll install audacity |
| 02:18.02 | Sutoka | audacity isn't a music player... its an editor... :-/ |
| 02:18.06 | Endler | Anyone else notice how great 3.5.5 knoqueror is running. Super fast and all rendering errors I've come across corrected. |
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| 02:18.18 | xsacha | themes, people... |
| 02:18.19 | Renze | ah, I'm thinking of Audacious |
| 02:18.22 | Sutoka | Endler: yes |
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| 02:18.32 | qupada | Renze: doesn't matter, they suck equally |
| 02:18.37 | Renze | qupada: I agree |
| 02:19.01 | neopc | oi |
| 02:19.09 | Renze | all I see of amarok most of the time is the icon in the systray |
| 02:19.25 | Endler | How big is the Konqueror team? They've been squashing bugs at a furious pace. |
| 02:19.33 | Sutoka | the only other time i wanna see amarok, is if reading the lyrics/wiki page |
| 02:19.39 | Sutoka | Endler: the KHTML team isn't very big |
| 02:19.46 | Sutoka | Endler: they're just awesome |
| 02:20.05 | Endler | I guess so. Might not even need FF for anything anymore. |
| 02:20.22 | xsacha | perfect on acid2 test :) |
| 02:21.08 | Sutoka | never trust any bittorrent clients time estimation... |
| 02:21.24 | xsacha | 999KB/1MB 99% ETA:10 years,2 minutes ? |
| 02:21.28 | Jucato | khtml... |
| 02:21.40 | Endler | Acid2 must miss a few things though, because They were perfect under 3.5.4, but I still encounters some rendering problem--haven't seen any so far under 3.5.5. |
| 02:21.43 | Sutoka | xsacha: let me guess, going at like almost 0 bits a second? |
| 02:21.46 | Dhraakellian | Sutoka: I know, but it might be nice to have a "if the current speed is maintained..." estimate |
| 02:21.53 | Renze | nope, my bank still doesn't work :( |
| 02:22.06 | Dhraakellian | which is what most clients do |
| 02:22.08 | Sutoka | Endler: acid2 is a measure of error handling |
| 02:22.12 | Dhraakellian | afaik |
| 02:22.30 | Dhraakellian | ktorrent factors in past performance |
| 02:22.38 | Endler | Oh, OK, not of presentation. |
| 02:22.52 | Sutoka | Endler: which error handling is just as important as handling correct code the same way, since bad error stuff is a big reason why all the browsers have to do so many hacks |
| 02:23.07 | xsacha | i hate how in konqueror, everything is all messed up until page fully loads.. (humungous spaces etc) |
| 02:23.22 | Sutoka | xsacha: i've never had that happen |
| 02:23.26 | Renze | me neither |
| 02:23.28 | xsacha | i get that on every page :( |
| 02:23.51 | Endler | My connection is fast enough where I wouldn't normally notice that even if it was happening. |
| 02:23.53 | Sutoka | xsacha: are you on dialup? slow processor? |
| 02:23.59 | xsacha | if there's a top bar and some text beneath it for example, the top bar will appear then a humungous white space with the other text at bottom of page.. when page fully loads the text comes back up |
| 02:24.07 | xsacha | 10mbit cable, amd64 3000+ |
| 02:24.21 | caustiq | xsacha: that's not normal |
| 02:24.22 | xsacha | it all happens in less than a second on most pages but it's annoying |
| 02:24.41 | Sutoka | checked both digg and slashdot, and they do anything like that |
| 02:24.42 | Renze | it's because the server isn't sending the css information soon enough |
| 02:24.49 | xsacha | has happened on every distro and every version of konqueror i've used :S |
| 02:25.02 | Sutoka | s/they do anything/they don't do anything/ |
| 02:25.04 | Endler | I'll bet their is an option to not display page until it is fully rendered. |
| 02:25.14 | Endler | there |
| 02:25.28 | Sutoka | most likely its the server not sending the css file till after the page is done downloading |
| 02:25.51 | xsacha | in IE and firefox, when something below renders before something above, the thing below will be in its correct position straight-off |
| 02:25.53 | Slack4020 | i un installed arts |
| 02:26.06 | Slack4020 | so to use amarok what do i need to install ..........something like akode ? |
| 02:26.14 | Renze | xine-lib |
| 02:26.21 | Sutoka | Slack4020: xine |
| 02:26.23 | Slack4020 | Renze: i didnt want xine :( |
| 02:26.37 | Renze | why not? xine is great |
| 02:26.47 | Slack4020 | it is |
| 02:26.53 | Renze | or are you one of these mplayer zealots? |
| 02:26.53 | Slack4020 | well i always thought of xine as a gnome thing |
| 02:26.57 | Sutoka | nope |
| 02:27.05 | Renze | no, xine has never had anything to do with gnome |
| 02:27.11 | Sutoka | gstreamer is the 'gnome thingy' |
| 02:27.22 | Sutoka | at least as far as any of the frameworks go |
| 02:27.43 | xsacha | for some reason my xine doesnt give out sound, but i havent been bothered to check it out |
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| 02:28.16 | Jucato | gstreamer wanted it to be a GNOME *and* KDE thingy... |
| 02:28.27 | xsacha | then they shouldnt have used the 'g' |
| 02:28.31 | Endler | Is there a known with Xine using SDL? |
| 02:28.31 | Renze | too bad they're too lame to lock down an API |
| 02:28.42 | Slack4020 | also for playing videos in my browser what do i need ? |
| 02:28.43 | Endler | known issue |
| 02:28.47 | Renze | uh? |
| 02:28.48 | Slack4020 | KMplayer |
| 02:28.51 | Slack4020 | rught ? |
| 02:28.54 | w00tnation | anyone ever seen the error "Could not backup tocfile" from k3b when trying to burn a cd? |
| 02:29.11 | Renze | w00tnation: nope |
| 02:29.14 | xsacha | slack, many many things.. you could use kmplayer, or there is a variety of plugins |
| 02:29.18 | xsacha | vlc has a plugin for example |
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| 02:29.33 | Sutoka | gstreamer can't even maintain a somewhat stable abi |
| 02:29.45 | Slack4020 | wellll |
| 02:29.50 | Sutoka | which is the primary reason kde dumped it as being the default framework of kde4 |
| 02:29.59 | Slack4020 | Renze: but do i need Mplayer installed then ? |
| 02:30.04 | Jucato | xsacha: I think GStreamer isn't really a GNOME/GTK specific project. it's a freedesktop project that GNOME just decided to use by default |
| 02:30.07 | Renze | Slack4020: no, kmplayer can use xine |
| 02:30.12 | Slack4020 | i see |
| 02:30.18 | Slack4020 | can Kplayer use Xine as well |
| 02:30.19 | Slack4020 | ? |
| 02:30.23 | Renze | no idea |
| 02:30.44 | xsacha | can i burn cds with dvd+rw-tools ? |
| 02:30.53 | Sutoka | xsacha: yes |
| 02:30.55 | Slack4020 | man im going to really have to write an ocaml binding for KDE/qt stuff |
| 02:31.10 | xsacha | yay! :D cause cdrecorder has been eating discs but dvd+rw-tools working fine |
| 02:31.13 | Endler | Yeah, what's the deal with linux libraries changing their interfaces on virtually every release? |
| 02:31.18 | Renze | Slack4020: you do what to camels? :D |
| 02:31.37 | Slack4020 | :D |
| 02:31.42 | Endler | I though the whole point was to keep the interface static |
| 02:31.46 | Slack4020 | its a programming language if you didnt know |
| 02:31.51 | Sutoka | Endler: ask the gstreamer guys, kde3 kept binary compatibility the entire series |
| 02:31.55 | Renze | Endler: most of them do... just not gstreamer for some reason |
| 02:32.07 | Renze | Slack4020: I know :P |
| 02:32.21 | Renze | Slack4020: but I couldn't pass up the opportunity :D |
| 02:32.22 | Endler | xorg org seems to thing they need to change it with each release. |
| 02:32.30 | Sutoka | Endler: and gstreamer should have an EASIER time cause its C, while kde is C++ |
| 02:32.35 | Renze | they only changed it with 7.1 |
| 02:32.41 | Slack4020 | also what all oes amarok use ruby wise ? |
| 02:32.51 | Endler | And again with 7.2, didn't they? |
| 02:32.52 | Sutoka | Endler: 7.1 was the first time they broke binary compaitility in a long time |
| 02:32.58 | Renze | Endler: not that I know of |
| 02:33.16 | Renze | Slack4020: scripts, last.fm proxy, amongst other things |
| 02:33.25 | xsacha | i really like ctrl key on konqueror :D very handy |
| 02:34.07 | Slack4020 | Renze: i hope not to much |
| 02:34.37 | Slack4020 | << loves ruby syntax etc everything design wise ........but it is the slowest programming language well its a tad faster then javascript |
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| 02:37.00 | Slack4020 | that gtk-qt .7 works flawless so far for me |
| 02:37.04 | Endler | I assume that has more to do with current implementation than an inherit limitation of Ruby. |
| 02:37.14 | Slack4020 | Endler: ? |
| 02:37.26 | Slack4020 | ruby was not written with speed in mind |
| 02:37.38 | Slack4020 | and embedded solution like lua would have been much more suitable |
| 02:37.38 | Renze | I would guess that nobody has bothered to optimise the interpreter yet |
| 02:37.39 | xsacha | Sutoka: when using growisofs for my cd, i should use /dev/cdrom .. or stick to /dev/dvd (it's a dvd drive)? |
| 02:37.48 | Slack4020 | Renze: they are trying |
| 02:37.52 | Slack4020 | YARV |
| 02:37.59 | Renze | xsacha: I'll bet both symlinks point to the same device |
| 02:38.00 | Slack4020 | but its not coming along all to well :P |
| 02:38.11 | xsacha | yes, you're right :O thanks |
| 02:38.57 | xsacha | :-( /dev/dvd: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 9 |
| 02:39.13 | Slack4020 | anyone else here ever used that gtk-qt ? |
| 02:39.39 | Renze | Slack4020: in the past, yes... but now I prefer QtCurve |
| 02:39.48 | Slack4020 | why ? |
| 02:39.56 | Slack4020 | did it not work right or something ? |
| 02:40.10 | Renze | there was some instability |
| 02:40.13 | Endler | Well, I don't know much about Ruby, but you could make just about any language fast if you implemented differently. I'll bet someone could code a super fast native Java compiler, for example. |
| 02:40.20 | Slack4020 | Renze: try .7 |
| 02:40.46 | Renze | [I--] [ ~] x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt-0.7-r1 |
| 02:40.54 | Slack4020 | Endler: of course but right now theres only 1 real implem. andd all this and that ........so yea |
| 02:40.54 | Renze | Slack4020: had that version for a while |
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| 02:41.16 | Slack4020 | i dont see any instability with .7 |
| 02:41.25 | Homer | Endler: to a certain extent, staticly typed languages will always outperform dynamically typed languages |
| 02:41.29 | Slack4020 | but i wish the developer would beef up his works a little |
| 02:41.41 | Renze | Slack4020: try using the sliders in The Gimp, by clicking on either side of the handle instead of on the handle itself |
| 02:41.54 | Slack4020 | Homer: take a look at Euphoria Programming .........it will differ with your statement |
| 02:42.13 | Slack4020 | Renze: with .7 ? |
| 02:42.21 | Renze | Slack4020: with any version of gtk-qt-engine |
| 02:42.31 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmmm he needs ot fix that |
| 02:42.40 | Slack4020 | i love GTK :) |
| 02:42.50 | Renze | I prefer Qt |
| 02:42.53 | Slack4020 | i like the regualr theme but i prefer my qt theme |
| 02:42.53 | unity | blasphemy |
| 02:43.05 | Slack4020 | well i prefer gtk in programming thats for sure |
| 02:43.12 | Homer | blasphemy! |
| 02:43.14 | Sutoka | GTK's api is a mess |
| 02:43.20 | Renze | I prefer Qt's API |
| 02:43.24 | Slack4020 | theres about 200 api's for it |
| 02:43.28 | Sutoka | plus it was a total PITA to find documentation |
| 02:43.35 | Slack4020 | i have never used the pure C api |
| 02:43.52 | Sutoka | actually i was never able to find api documentation for gtk |
| 02:43.53 | Slack4020 | i use ocaml api pascal api freebasic api and a few others |
| 02:44.03 | Slack4020 | gtk is much faster |
| 02:44.12 | Sutoka | you mean you use gtk bindings for ocaml freebasic, etc? |
| 02:44.16 | Renze | what crack you smokin' boy? |
| 02:44.22 | Homer | I have to agree with that, at least Qt 3.x vs GTK+ |
| 02:44.23 | Sutoka | Slack4020: in what sense? |
| 02:44.27 | Slack4020 | qt is a langual ein langual |
| 02:44.55 | Endler | I assume slack was bemoaning the performance even relative to other dynamically typed languages. |
| 02:45.01 | Slack4020 | Sutoka: well not really freebasic i only tried them once |
| 02:45.14 | Endler | How slow is it Slack? |
| 02:45.18 | Renze | people still use basic? |
| 02:45.24 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 02:45.30 | xsacha | gah ill just burn it on to a dvd instead |
| 02:45.35 | Slack4020 | FreeBasic is not as bad as you might think |
| 02:45.43 | Slack4020 | compiled / faster then c++ |
| 02:45.59 | Endler | ocaml looks very interesting. Have you done much with it? |
| 02:46.04 | Slack4020 | yes |
| 02:46.07 | Slack4020 | its my favorite |
| 02:46.10 | Slack4020 | :D |
| 02:46.17 | xsacha | burning it at 10MB/s :) |
| 02:46.20 | Homer | hey |
| 02:46.22 | Slack4020 | its like lisp without all the secrets for me anyways |
| 02:46.26 | Homer | speed is all about the compiler |
| 02:46.29 | Homer | not the language |
| 02:46.33 | Slack4020 | but you can use it in functional way as well |
| 02:46.38 | Endler | It's very unconventional, that's for sure. |
| 02:46.45 | Slack4020 | what is ? |
| 02:46.49 | Endler | ocaml |
| 02:46.53 | xsacha | ./dev/cdrom: "Current Write Speed" is 8.2x1352KBps Sutoka: i had to use a dvd :( |
| 02:46.57 | Slack4020 | you mean different ? |
| 02:47.08 | Ash-Fox | Homer, the resulting code is what's most important to me about a compiler. |
| 02:47.13 | Endler | Yes, a completely different paradigm. |
| 02:47.20 | Slack4020 | Endler: no , ;) |
| 02:47.28 | Sutoka | xsacha: it looks like before the iso was made for a dvd 9 (dual layer dvd) and not a cd |
| 02:47.29 | Slack4020 | you ever used php beofre ? |
| 02:47.51 | xsacha | the iso was made only for cd... but the growisofs tool has nothing for cds :( |
| 02:48.15 | Slack4020 | Endler: not that i like php im just saying |
| 02:48.42 | Endler | It is supposed to be like Hascal, but allowing functional programming too, so more practical than pure. |
| 02:49.07 | Slack4020 | Endler: you can program however you want in Ocaml |
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| 02:49.21 | Slack4020 | my current project i am not using ANY functional code |
| 02:49.46 | Endler | Yes, I know, but if you do it purely functionally, you are somewhat defeating the purpose. |
| 02:50.00 | Slack4020 | and i think Haskell is the correct one |
| 02:50.03 | Slack4020 | Endler: no lol |
| 02:50.17 | Slack4020 | theres many versions of ML langs |
| 02:50.18 | Slack4020 | :P |
| 02:50.27 | Slack4020 | Ocaml is the implmentation i like |
| 02:50.41 | Slack4020 | i code more like lisp / pascal / like C with it |
| 02:50.53 | Slack4020 | and it runs out very good and half again as fast to program in |
| 02:50.54 | Endler | Take a look at Clean some time. |
| 02:51.04 | Slack4020 | Clean ? |
| 02:51.35 | Homer | ppl still use lisp? |
| 02:51.54 | Slack4020 | of course |
| 02:52.02 | Slack4020 | i persoanlly like Ocaml / Erlang |
| 02:52.23 | Slack4020 | Erlang is not as fast but is very good at handling processes / performance is that direction |
| 02:52.32 | Homer | I like words I can prononce |
| 02:52.50 | Endler | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_(programming_language) |
| 02:52.51 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 02:54.11 | Endler | Looks like it's kind of been abandoned though. Interesting concept though. |
| 02:54.25 | Slack4020 | wow clean looks very interesting |
| 02:54.47 | Renze | looks quite a bit like Haskell |
| 02:55.04 | Endler | Yes. |
| 02:55.18 | Endler | It's very pure and "clean." lol |
| 02:55.24 | Homer | I think brainf**k is the way to go |
| 02:56.33 | Endler | I wonder if there is a language named "Homer." If not, there should be. :) |
| 02:57.06 | Slack4020 | well i will check this clean stuff out |
| 02:57.08 | Renze | def D'oh! |
| 02:57.47 | Endler | Maybe they use it to program nuclear power plants. |
| 02:57.53 | Renze | uh oh |
| 02:59.11 | Slack4020 | you ever use that clean before ? |
| 02:59.28 | Renze | I've used Haskell, but not Clean |
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| 02:59.46 | Endler | Don't you hate it when I site doesn't let you use a particular browser because it's not on their whitelist, even though you know it will work. |
| 03:00.04 | Renze | Endler: people are dumb |
| 03:00.15 | Endler | I started to once, but changed my mind because it look to me like the language had been abandoned. |
| 03:00.39 | Slack4020 | is there a gtk binding for Clean |
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| 03:01.32 | Endler | I don't think so. I was using windows at the time, so I can't be sure. If you find one, let me know. |
| 03:01.41 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 03:01.47 | sjr | What is the wrapper application for arts that I can use to run applications? |
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| 03:01.56 | Renze | artsdsp |
| 03:02.46 | Endler | I'm still waiting for the GTK wrapper for D. |
| 03:02.58 | Endler | It's supposedly 99% complete. |
| 03:03.16 | Endler | Only one guy is working on it though, so you're at his mercy. |
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| 03:04.06 | Sutoka | theres a Qt wrapper for D |
| 03:04.11 | Sutoka | well, bindings |
| 03:04.23 | Sutoka | Renze: why not just use brainf*ck? |
| 03:04.48 | Renze | Sutoka: because everyone and their dog seem to be making languages these days :D |
| 03:04.59 | Sutoka | hm... |
| 03:05.04 | xsacha | i wrote a scripting language start of this year :P |
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| 03:05.21 | Renze | xsacha: did your dog help? |
| 03:05.26 | xsacha | sort of |
| 03:05.39 | Renze | def woof() |
| 03:05.43 | sjr | Is there a way to use artsdsp with firefox? |
| 03:05.49 | sjr | it seems to be complaining that the file is not a binary |
| 03:06.08 | sjr | and if I run the binary it complains that it can't find a library |
| 03:06.09 | Renze | sjr: no idea... I stopped using arts three years ago |
| 03:06.21 | Endler | Well, the guy who wrote D is actually a compiler expert, so it actually has a good implementation too. |
| 03:06.33 | sjr | isn't arts what KDE uses for sound? |
| 03:06.54 | Renze | sjr: it doesn't need to... it's just a throwback to when there was no other way to mix streams |
| 03:07.06 | sjr | hmmm |
| 03:07.17 | Renze | my soundcard mixes in hardware, so arts is useless to me |
| 03:07.24 | sjr | hmmmm |
| 03:07.31 | sjr | how can I disable arts then? |
| 03:07.47 | Renze | turn it off, and set an external player for system notifications |
| 03:08.04 | Endler | Don't think anyone will be shedding any tears orver aRts demise. |
| 03:08.12 | Renze | control centre -> sound & multimedia -> sound system, untick the top box |
| 03:08.28 | Renze | arts is a steaming pile of poo |
| 03:08.32 | sjr | what about the developer? |
| 03:08.42 | Renze | artsd hasn't been maintained in years |
| 03:08.58 | Sutoka | the developer pretty much said it was a steaming pile of poo i think |
| 03:09.03 | sjr | hmmmm |
| 03:09.05 | sjr | interesting |
| 03:09.07 | xsacha | but when i check that button off i get no sound? :( |
| 03:09.09 | DaBlade | sjr: Use ALSA if you can instead |
| 03:09.10 | Sutoka | aRts wasn't really meant for what it was used for |
| 03:09.26 | Sutoka | DaBlade: no, you still need something to decode the stream |
| 03:09.29 | Renze | xsacha: set an external player for system notifications, and stop using apps that requires artsd like noatun and kaboodle |
| 03:09.32 | DaBlade | sjr: If you need a sound server, use the ALSA Dmix plugin |
| 03:09.39 | sjr | hmmmm nah its not that |
| 03:09.40 | xsacha | awwww but noatun..!!! |
| 03:09.51 | sjr | but the new flash player keeps having sound problems |
| 03:09.59 | Renze | noatun is also a steaming pile of poo |
| 03:10.06 | DaBlade | sjr: #gnash? :P :P |
| 03:10.11 | sjr | gnash? |
| 03:10.20 | DaBlade | GNU Flash |
| 03:10.20 | xsacha | is there something better than noatun? |
| 03:10.26 | DaBlade | Very incomplete |
| 03:10.31 | Renze | xsacha: amarok |
| 03:10.36 | xsacha | :( |
| 03:10.37 | DaBlade | xsacha: amarok |
| 03:10.39 | DaBlade | xine |
| 03:10.44 | Renze | xsacha: juk |
| 03:10.44 | DaBlade | mplayer |
| 03:10.45 | DaBlade | vlc |
| 03:10.46 | xsacha | i like noatun better |
| 03:10.47 | Sutoka | cat |
| 03:10.51 | DaBlade | Songbird |
| 03:10.59 | Renze | xsacha: noatun hasn't seen any development in years either |
| 03:10.59 | DaBlade | anything |
| 03:11.05 | Sutoka | i tried using noatun a few times, i ended up going back to xmms, then went to amarok later |
| 03:11.09 | sjr | no there is a flash 9 beta |
| 03:11.12 | sjr | released by adobe |
| 03:11.15 | xsacha | it doesnt need anything else, :) |
| 03:11.18 | Renze | sjr: we know |
| 03:11.19 | DaBlade | sjr: I know |
| 03:11.21 | sjr | ah |
| 03:11.29 | sjr | and it seems that every so often it just locks up, |
| 03:11.36 | DaBlade | sjr: And it's just as crappy as its predecessor |
| 03:11.40 | Renze | it's beta... of course it locks up |
| 03:11.46 | sjr | and I think its when something else wants to use the sound card |
| 03:11.49 | Endler | Flash 9 has been working surprisingly well for me. |
| 03:12.03 | sjr | The previous flash was fine |
| 03:12.08 | sjr | except that it was old |
| 03:12.12 | Sutoka | sjr: then setup software mixing in alsa, it should actually be enabled on newer versions of alsa out of the box |
| 03:12.15 | DaBlade | sjr: So if you *truly* can't find a solution, try compiling Gnash and see how well that works |
| 03:12.23 | sjr | hmmmm |
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| 03:12.28 | Renze | Sutoka: it is... just use plug:dmix as the device |
| 03:12.35 | Endler | Except it doesn't work at all if the site requires 9 :) |
| 03:12.41 | sjr | hmmmm |
| 03:12.46 | sjr | I could just go back to flash 7 |
| 03:12.52 | sjr | but I don't think this is a flash problem I think its a sound problem |
| 03:12.52 | Sutoka | gnash hardly works if the site requires flash 7 |
| 03:13.09 | Endler | And even then it sucked because the audio and video were out of sync. |
| 03:14.55 | xsacha | what should i use for external ..mmm you said your hardware did it? |
| 03:15.21 | Renze | xsacha: I recommend "play" from the sox package... it plays pretty much every format known to man |
| 03:15.26 | xsacha | or should i just use "aplay"? |
| 03:15.46 | Sutoka | i don't think aplay can play that many formats |
| 03:15.50 | Renze | it has to be able to play ogg |
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| 03:17.46 | xsacha | gah konqueror crashed when trying to save the sox src :P |
| 03:17.50 | Vuen | wow. looks like #kde lifted it's ban on ALL OF CANADA |
| 03:17.52 | Vuen | thanks a lot |
| 03:17.59 | Vuen | finally |
| 03:18.06 | Sutoka | i doubt it was on all of canada |
| 03:18.08 | xsacha | proxy? :) |
| 03:18.11 | xsacha | .ca? :P |
| 03:18.11 | Vuen | it was on dsl.bell.ca |
| 03:18.14 | Jucato | bell.ca |
| 03:18.14 | Sutoka | don't wanna ban aaron! |
| 03:18.14 | Renze | it wasn't all of canada... just *.dsl.bell.ca |
| 03:18.16 | Sutoka | yep |
| 03:18.17 | Vuen | and it was for several weeks |
| 03:18.30 | Vuen | that's half of canada in terms of users, and all of canada in terms of area |
| 03:18.37 | Renze | Vuen: then you should kill all the trolls on your ISP :D |
| 03:19.13 | Vuen | now, i have a question about kde |
| 03:19.22 | Vuen | i just selected roughly 60 folders, and accidentally pressed something to open them |
| 03:19.35 | Sutoka | Vuen: the enter key? |
| 03:19.41 | Vuen | and instead of prompting me whether i REALLY wanted to open 60 folders at once, konqueror went right ahead and tried to open about 60 windows at once |
| 03:19.52 | Vuen | i had to switch to tty1 and killall konqueror to recover |
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| 03:20.00 | Renze | sounds like a pebkac error to me |
| 03:20.03 | Vuen | is there some option to make it prompt me to check whether i really wanted to do that? |
| 03:20.05 | Sutoka | Vuen: bugs.kde.org, file a feature request, or if one already exists for it, vote for it |
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| 03:20.15 | Jucato | Renze: heh :P |
| 03:20.20 | sephknows | ok question |
| 03:20.25 | Sutoka | sephknows: ok answer |
| 03:20.29 | Vuen | Renze: very funny, but there's something to be said for user friendliness here |
| 03:20.30 | sephknows | kthxbye |
| 03:20.35 | sephknows | ;) |
| 03:20.36 | xsacha | it should have grouped all konqeuror windows since you had so much, then you should be able to close group, no? |
| 03:20.38 | Sutoka | sephknows: you're welcome! |
| 03:20.38 | Vuen | the machine should not completely DIE because i accidentally pressed enter |
| 03:20.49 | sephknows | ok how can i get kde to remember each app's last window position? |
| 03:20.56 | sephknows | Sutoka: lol |
| 03:21.05 | Homer | xsacha: killall does prettymuch the same thing |
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| 03:21.17 | KdeRocks | hi |
| 03:21.19 | xsacha | yeah but that's slower and nasty :P |
| 03:21.19 | Homer | hi |
| 03:21.21 | Renze | ugh, that winrocks troll is back |
| 03:21.22 | Sutoka | sephknows: KControl -> Desktop -> Special Window Settings -> make a new rule, thats a wild card, and have enable remembering the window positions |
| 03:21.41 | KdeRocks | I wonder how Renze cannot forget me |
| 03:21.53 | Renze | I never forget a troll |
| 03:21.54 | Sutoka | KdeRocks: it says when you login that you're winrocks |
| 03:22.00 | Homer | lol |
| 03:22.07 | xsacha | KdeRocks has joined this channel (i=winrocks@41.207.223.50) |
| 03:22.29 | KdeRocks | lol |
| 03:22.46 | KdeRocks | frightening ? |
| 03:22.46 | Sutoka | why do you come on freenode and only join #kde? |
| 03:22.49 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:22.54 | KdeRocks | ahhh this network card :[ |
| 03:22.56 | Homer | cause kde rocks! |
| 03:23.04 | Vuen | network card? |
| 03:23.05 | Vuen | lol... |
| 03:23.06 | Sutoka | Homer: only troll the best? |
| 03:23.23 | Homer | yeah guess so |
| 03:24.38 | sephknows | Sutoka: KControl -> Desktop -> Window-Specific Settings you mean? i created a New... (rule?) in there and put "*" as the window, and in Geometry put Position as "Remember" but it gives me a textbox. what do i do here? |
| 03:24.59 | KdeRocks | okay |
| 03:25.00 | Renze | leave it empty |
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| 03:25.02 | KdeRocks | this time |
| 03:25.09 | KdeRocks | I want to know about something |
| 03:25.19 | KdeRocks | how to have a custom mail ? |
| 03:25.24 | Sutoka | sephknows: leave that blank |
| 03:25.40 | Renze | Troll: what does that have to do with KDE? |
| 03:25.45 | sephknows | applied, didnt work |
| 03:25.54 | Sutoka | sephknows: don't set it to a '*' |
| 03:26.20 | sephknows | works! thanks! |
| 03:26.38 | sephknows | kde certainly is powerful. |
| 03:26.53 | sephknows | while fluxbox is light, i prefer kde. its still better and faster than windows =D |
| 03:27.00 | KdeRocks | :) |
| 03:27.05 | KdeRocks | Renze: :) |
| 03:27.21 | KdeRocks | I just wonder how to have a custom email ? |
| 03:27.38 | KdeRocks | for example trollmaster@mymail.com |
| 03:27.40 | Sutoka | KdeRocks: ask in #spam |
| 03:27.47 | *** part/#kde sephknows (n=steven@adsl-68-77-19-207.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 03:27.56 | KdeRocks | ooohhh ,please,please |
| 03:28.01 | Renze | Troll: ask in an appropriate channel... this one happens to be for KDE |
| 03:28.53 | KdeRocks | ;( |
| 03:29.11 | xsacha | KdeRocks, try #crying |
| 03:29.18 | Sutoka | or #emo |
| 03:29.26 | Renze | Troll: try #we_dont_give_a_shit |
| 03:30.21 | xsacha | hmm this 'play' sounds different.. the maximise sound sounds completely different |
| 03:30.36 | Renze | xsacha: that is impossible |
| 03:30.46 | xsacha | it's squeaky sound |
| 03:30.58 | Renze | then you must have changed the sound |
| 03:31.02 | xsacha | :S no |
| 03:31.44 | xsacha | sounds better than what i had anyway, i don't mind :) |
| 03:32.10 | Renze | then I guess artsd was playing it badly :) |
| 03:32.20 | xsacha | yeah |
| 03:34.00 | xsacha | playing music.... on Noatun :D and it sounds better :D |
| 03:34.05 | Jucato | um.. anyone knows what happened to the UofKDE and KDE Lyceum projects? |
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| 03:34.29 | Renze | starting noatun starts artsd |
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| 03:36.30 | xsacha | artsd isnt on... |
| 03:36.50 | xsacha | not in process list either |
| 03:36.50 | Renze | xsacha: check your process list... you'll find it running |
| 03:37.11 | Renze | noatun starts artsd if it isn't running |
| 03:37.18 | Renze | it has no other way to play audio |
| 03:37.42 | xsacha | cant see it in list :S |
| 03:37.50 | Renze | trust me, it's there |
| 03:37.54 | Renze | ps ax | grep artsd |
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| 03:39.27 | Jucato_ | er.. |
| 03:41.29 | Jucato | um... question: will dcop totally not work anymore in KDE 4? |
| 03:41.45 | Renze | it will be replaced by dbus |
| 03:42.12 | Renze | similar concept, slightly different implementation, based on dcop |
| 03:42.48 | Renze | and is used in more than just KDE |
| 03:43.07 | KdeRocks | how does Linspire cost ? |
| 03:43.07 | Jucato | well I was planning on studying and making some Superkaramba themes that would probably use dcop... I was wondering if I should just study dbus instead... |
| 03:43.13 | KdeRocks | how much does Linspire cost ? |
| 03:43.23 | Renze | no idea, I've never paid a cent for linux |
| 03:43.58 | Renze | and never used Linspire |
| 03:44.27 | KdeRocks | this website is great : http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/documentation/hacking-dict.html |
| 03:44.39 | Jucato | Renze: will it be easy to "port" dcop stuff/commands to dbus? |
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| 03:44.52 | Renze | Jucato: I would guess so |
| 03:45.01 | xsacha | 12175 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep artsd hmm |
| 03:45.15 | Renze | Troll: if you have nothing to discuss about KDE, could you please find another channel to annoy |
| 03:45.20 | Jucato | ok then. I'll probably continue with dcop in the meantime, since KDE4 is stil far away |
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| 03:45.20 | Endler | Will the gamelets in KDE4 use scaleable graphics? |
| 03:45.27 | Jucato | gamelets? |
| 03:45.34 | Endler | Little games :) |
| 03:45.36 | Renze | Endler: kmahjongg already does |
| 03:45.40 | Jucato | ah heheh |
| 03:45.45 | xsacha | they use vector at the moment |
| 03:45.49 | Jucato | kdegames |
| 03:46.03 | Renze | in trunk, anyway |
| 03:46.06 | Endler | Yeah. The gnome games are better in that reguard. |
| 03:46.19 | xsacha | do people play them? |
| 03:46.53 | Endler | Aisleriot Solitaire is very nice. |
| 03:47.01 | Jucato | some do. probably |
| 03:47.17 | Endler | Think it has all the variations in Hoyle. |
| 03:51.01 | Endler | Hmm. KMahjongg isn't scaling for me. |
| 03:51.13 | Jucato | err KDE 4? |
| 03:51.18 | Renze | Endler: are you running trunk? |
| 03:51.56 | Endler | Oh, sorry, I thought you meant KMahjongg already scaled in 3.5.5. |
| 03:52.07 | Renze | no, I mean it already does in trunk |
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| 03:54.58 | Endler | I hope they change the tile grahics and backgounds too. It's currently not too easy on the eyes. |
| 03:55.15 | Endler | I do like Mah Jongg though. |
| 03:55.18 | Renze | check planetkde for screenshots |
| 03:55.31 | Renze | it's in one of the syndicated blogs |
| 03:55.37 | Endler | OK. |
| 03:56.28 | KdeRocks | so for example : www.micrsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/ and set some cookies in it |
| 03:56.56 | KdeRocks | in case I have a personal website that matches the fake |
| 03:57.21 | KdeRocks | and then let the user eat my PukBuster |
| 03:57.24 | KdeRocks | hmm hacking rules :) |
| 03:58.29 | Renze | Troll: go away |
| 03:58.42 | KdeRocks | Renze |
| 03:59.26 | KdeRocks | can I pay this guy to learn how to be an hacker : http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/documentation/hacking-dict.html ,Robert Graham |
| 04:00.06 | Endler | Found it. Wow!!! 100X better. :) |
| 04:00.20 | Endler | http://www.tabuleiro.com/mauricio/kmahjongg_svg.png |
| 04:00.41 | Renze | troll: um, fuck off |
| 04:01.28 | Endler | Hope all the games will look that good. |
| 04:01.57 | Jucato | whoa |
| 04:02.02 | Jucato | looks like the real thing |
| 04:02.22 | qupada | wow, those mahjongg tiles look a little different |
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| 04:14.29 | dwh | Hello everyone. i have a quick question--Can KDE function without its personal information manager? I need to strip down an installation of KDE so things like kdeedu and kdegames need to be removed in my case. Will removing kdepim cause breakage or does it just mean KDE won't store passwords and such in a centralized location? |
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| 04:19.16 | Vuen | question, when i "delete" a file in konqueror and it moves it to the recycle bin, where does it actually go on the drive? |
| 04:19.44 | Vuen | because whenever i try to delete files on my vfat partition in konqueror, it always freezes for a really long time and never actually deletes anything. |
| 04:19.46 | Renze | Vuen: ~/.local/share/Trash, or .Trash<uid> on other partitions |
| 04:19.50 | Vuen | is this because it's trying to move the files over to /home? |
| 04:19.51 | Vuen | hmm |
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| 04:20.12 | Vuen | see i have to open up a console and rm the files i want to delete |
| 04:20.20 | Jucato | Vuen: yes I think so |
| 04:20.25 | Vuen | because i can't delete files in konqueror. |
| 04:20.25 | Vuen | bah. |
| 04:20.28 | Jucato | Vuen: er |
| 04:20.31 | Renze | KDE uses the freedesktop.org trash spec |
| 04:20.59 | Jucato | if you have no intentions of restoring the file later (which is what would happen if you use rm), you can just Shift+Del in your fat32 partition |
| 04:21.10 | Vuen | kay |
| 04:21.19 | Vuen | but i'd rather my recycle bin actually work |
| 04:21.32 | Vuen | where can i configure konqueror's trash? |
| 04:21.37 | Jucato | Vuen: well it works. it's just not working the way you thought it would probably |
| 04:21.43 | Renze | it works fine here, but then I don't have any fat32 partitions :D |
| 04:21.56 | Jucato | Renze: is it just me or does GNOME make a .Trash in every partition? |
| 04:21.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | dwh, all I know thats needed is kdelibs and kdebase, I would check the make files |
| 04:22.16 | Renze | Jucato: the freedesktop.org spec has that too... so KDE should do that |
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| 04:23.10 | Jucato | hm.. wonder why Vuen has a problem then... |
| 04:23.14 | wlen | alright... so how do i disable this annoying new bug in kmail whereby, whenever I enter a recipient address, another box for another recipient is added below the first automatically? |
| 04:23.42 | Renze | wlen: that's not a bug, that's a feature, so you can send to multiple addresses |
| 04:24.03 | Renze | and it's not new |
| 04:24.04 | wlen | if it's easy to disable, then it might not be a bug... but i haven't located the fix yet |
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| 04:24.14 | wlen | it's fairly new |
| 04:24.18 | wlen | but that's not the point |
| 04:24.25 | wlen | could you tell me how to disable it, please? |
| 04:24.28 | Renze | wlen: just because you don't like it doesn't make it a bug |
| 04:25.13 | wlen | maybe... is it disableable or not? |
| 04:25.25 | Renze | not that I know of |
| 04:25.31 | wlen | if it's not, it IS a bug |
| 04:25.34 | Renze | but then I like that feature |
| 04:25.36 | wlen | and a *very* annoying one |
| 04:25.44 | dwh | SAS_Spidey01: Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks! |
| 04:25.47 | Renze | wlen: go whine about it on bugs.kde.org then |
| 04:25.56 | wlen | i suppose that's what i'll have to do |
| 04:25.58 | Jucato | how can it be a bug if it's a feature? |
| 04:26.05 | Renze | yeesh... users suck |
| 04:26.08 | wlen | it's not a feature if it's a bug |
| 04:26.20 | wlen | and an annoying feature that can't be disabled is a bug |
| 04:26.21 | Jucato | it is a feature... why would it be a bug? |
| 04:26.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | I love the oorts collection |
| 04:26.32 | wlen | because it's extremely annoying |
| 04:26.40 | Renze | only to you, wlen |
| 04:26.44 | Renze | it doesn't bother me at all |
| 04:26.45 | wlen | the vast majority of the time there is no need for more than one recipient box |
| 04:26.47 | Jucato | hm... just because something is annoying for you, doesn't make it a bug |
| 04:26.52 | wlen | i doubt only to me |
| 04:26.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | wlen, allot of people call that a feature |
| 04:27.01 | Vuen | question, how can i defrag my vfat partition? |
| 04:27.02 | Renze | wlen: you're the only person to ever complain about it |
| 04:27.03 | wlen | it does if cannot be disabled |
| 04:27.09 | Vuen | oops, wrong channel |
| 04:27.15 | Jucato | Vuen: eheheh |
| 04:27.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | infact, if one thinks like that wlen MS Windows is ether 9,994,760 bugs or features ! |
| 04:27.43 | Vuen | i've had my 180 gig vfat partition maxed out for a while |
| 04:27.44 | Renze | wlen: I recommend you go and troll, er, point out your preferences in #kontact |
| 04:27.57 | Vuen | i've been constantly changing the files, just always keeping it full |
| 04:28.01 | wlen | ahh, thanks then |
| 04:28.03 | Vuen | and i know vfat is not known for its efficiency |
| 04:28.14 | Vuen | arrgh, wrong window again |
| 04:28.17 | Vuen | ignore me |
| 04:28.20 | Jucato | Vuen: :P |
| 04:28.30 | Jucato | Vuen: it might be the reason why deleting files in vfat is slow |
| 04:28.34 | Renze | Vuen: seek professional help :D |
| 04:28.38 | Vuen | :) |
| 04:28.58 | Vuen | well thanks for your help guys |
| 04:29.25 | Jucato | Vuen: are you less angry now? :P |
| 04:30.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | Does any one know if I backup .kde and .kderc in my ${HOME} could I restore or transplant my desktops setup from the backup ? |
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| 04:30.56 | wlen | yeah sas you can |
| 04:31.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | okie, thanks |
| 04:31.50 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: ~/.kde would probably the most important |
| 04:32.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'm thinking of totally rearranging my desktop, if I don't like it I don't want to take a week to manually restore it so I guess it's bzip time |
| 04:33.49 | Vuen | Jucato: you mean about deleting files? or about konqueror opening 60 windows at once? |
| 04:34.05 | Jucato | in General :) |
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| 04:34.08 | Vuen | mm. |
| 04:34.19 | Vuen | looks like i have to reboot into windows to defrag my vfat partition :( |
| 04:34.40 | Vuen | well, i'm gonna go do that now then. thanks for all your help guys |
| 04:34.41 | wlen | ack sounds horrible |
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| 04:34.43 | Vuen | and yes, i am less angry |
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| 04:34.53 | Jucato | hehe |
| 04:35.00 | Vuen | though i do wish it would have asked me if i really wanted to kill my machine :( |
| 04:35.04 | Vuen | later all |
| 04:35.08 | xsacha | there's nothing in KOffice that will read .doc word files or .xml excel files? |
| 04:35.24 | Jucato | KWord reads .doc, afaik |
| 04:35.45 | xsacha | but not microsofts version? i tried using the .doc in list |
| 04:36.10 | xsacha | oh, a quick escape |
| 04:36.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | It just opened a file created on MS Word 2k2 /w it's standard .doc format |
| 04:36.20 | xsacha | hmm |
| 04:36.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think .doc changes every now and then as word upgrades come out though |
| 04:37.33 | xsacha | document was written with MS Word 2k2 i think.. doesnt seem to open with it, says bad file format |
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| 04:38.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | mmm |
| 04:38.19 | Renze | xsacha: probably a missing dependency... do you have wv2 installed? |
| 04:38.29 | Fieldy | in konsole 1.6.5 (kde 3.5.5), is there a way to get the shells in the tabs to save to ~/.bash_history when konsole exits? |
| 04:38.35 | xsacha | wv2? don't know |
| 04:38.50 | Renze | Description: Excellent MS Word filter lib, used in most Office suites |
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| 04:39.08 | xsacha | it doesnt come with KOffice? then i probably dont have it |
| 04:39.19 | Renze | it's a dependency of koffice |
| 04:39.24 | Renze | but not included with it |
| 04:39.38 | xsacha | oh ok, i built with dependancies so i should have it |
| 04:40.26 | Renze | xsacha: use your package manager to find out |
| 04:40.33 | xsacha | dont have one :S |
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| 04:40.41 | Renze | LFS? |
| 04:40.46 | xsacha | CRUX |
| 04:40.55 | Shirakawasuna | OMGPWNED |
| 04:40.55 | Renze | I don't know what that is |
| 04:41.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | CRUX is a GNU/Linux distro |
| 04:41.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | Arch is based on it I think |
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| 04:41.31 | Renze | but arch has a package manager |
| 04:41.36 | xsacha | pacman, yeah |
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| 04:42.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've also heard it [arch] has some thing simular to FreeBSD ports |
| 04:42.35 | xsacha | CRUX uses ports, that's how i install everything just using a dependancies script |
| 04:42.44 | xsacha | one line to install KDE |
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| 04:42.54 | Renze | emerge kde-meta :D |
| 04:43.01 | Fieldy | <3 kde-meta on gentoo |
| 04:43.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | I know on FreeBSD pkg_info tracks installed packages and ports |
| 04:43.16 | xsacha | prt-get depinst --install-scripts --prefix=/something kdebase |
| 04:43.32 | Renze | less friendly |
| 04:43.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | good ol /usr/ports/x11/kde3 |
| 04:44.05 | xsacha | kde tree was in /usr/ports/opt :) |
| 04:44.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | cd /usr/ports/catagory/program && make install clean |
| 04:44.29 | xsacha | so i didnt have to go hunting |
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| 04:44.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | while kde_build < done; do have_coffee_break |
| 04:45.00 | xsacha | indeed |
| 04:45.04 | xsacha | 5 hours :O |
| 04:45.28 | Renze | while kde_emerge < done; do sleep |
| 04:45.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | can't prt-get and team quey a db ? |
| 04:45.45 | Renze | I do all my long builds overnight :) |
| 04:46.05 | xsacha | problem is my ports always have errors, bad links and such |
| 04:46.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | I usually leave that for system upgrades |
| 04:46.41 | wlen | yeah that's a bit too much coffee eh ;) |
| 04:46.43 | xsacha | i wake up and it's on the second package because link to download cups was broken |
| 04:46.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | 8hours if portupgrade with about 300 ports installed |
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| 04:48.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | that reminds me I need to upgrade my samba box |
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| 04:53.38 | Wayward4now | wassup? |
| 04:54.15 | Wayward4now | Sas you work for SAS? |
| 04:54.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://www.sasclan.org/ |
| 04:55.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | When I registored on freenode I was to sleepy to invent a nick since my real name is kinda taken |
| 04:55.27 | Wayward4now | ha! AWESUM! Nifty job to have! |
| 04:56.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | Whats awesome is a SWAT officer plays just like we do and is trying to join :) |
| 04:56.09 | Renze | my real name wasn't taken, for some strange reason :D |
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| 04:56.16 | Wayward4now | mine neither |
| 04:56.31 | Wayward4now | someone grabbed wayward when I took down my site |
| 04:56.39 | Wayward4now | so, I'm wayward4now |
| 04:56.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | =/ |
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| 04:57.03 | Wayward4now | any old timey caldera users hang here? |
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| 04:57.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | thats a name I havn't heard in a long time |
| 04:57.35 | Wayward4now | I loved that distro |
| 04:57.41 | Renze | caldera became SCO, didn't it? |
| 04:57.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | the book next to me covers it's installation |
| 04:58.00 | Wayward4now | yup after they got digitals softwarez |
| 04:58.07 | Renze | SCO are eeeeevil |
| 04:58.44 | Wayward4now | something to that effect, but it wasn't Ray Nordas doing |
| 04:59.07 | Wayward4now | he just passed away last week or so |
| 04:59.24 | Shirakawasuna | so who here's using beryl and is it worth it? |
| 04:59.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | I wonder if ksmoothdock is as flexible as rocketdock |
| 04:59.46 | Shirakawasuna | rocketdock? |
| 05:00.03 | Wayward4now | have no clue what either of those are |
| 05:00.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | it's a nice dockapp for windows, looks simular to ksmoothdock |
| 05:00.23 | Renze | win...dows? |
| 05:00.28 | Wayward4now | <shudders> |
| 05:00.34 | Shirakawasuna | psh |
| 05:00.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | Some of us have to keep portable between multiple OSes and computers |
| 05:00.51 | Shirakawasuna | 1) objectdock is the best in windows and 2) ksmoothdock is not very customizable, imo |
| 05:01.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think it's based on objectdock not sure, and I agree /w you |
| 05:01.36 | Wayward4now | I used to work for Redhat back on 2000, we had ONE machine runing wndows to dupe CD's heheheh |
| 05:01.49 | Shirakawasuna | actually rocketdook looks fairly cool |
| 05:02.01 | Shirakawasuna | windows is handy for me |
| 05:02.20 | Shirakawasuna | some things just don't work 'out of the box' in linux so I need to switch - like quicktime support in a browser |
| 05:02.20 | Wayward4now | then they brought in some maketing types to sell linux, but used Windows ... scheeesh |
| 05:02.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | windows takes dirty work to make it useful |
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| 05:03.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | WT* |
| 05:03.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | I launch konqueror from ksmoothdock and try to use wp:search item in the location bar and konqi crashes |
| 05:05.07 | lunitik | Shirakawasuna: doesn't ObjectDock cost money? |
| 05:06.08 | Wayward4now | sas, is your site military or a private contractor? |
| 05:06.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | huh |
| 05:06.29 | Wayward4now | sasclan |
| 05:06.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | what about it |
| 05:06.47 | Wayward4now | is it a military app? |
| 05:06.49 | Renze | I doubt it has anything to do with the SAS |
| 05:07.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | it's a gaming clan modeled on the SAS |
| 05:07.05 | Renze | sounds like a gamer clan to me :) |
| 05:07.10 | Wayward4now | I tlooks cool as hell, just wondered |
| 05:07.22 | Wayward4now | ahhhh |
| 05:07.24 | Wayward4now | ok |
| 05:07.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | we use real world CQB tactics and have been the best Coop team for 5 years |
| 05:07.39 | lunitik | Renze: Caldera acquired Santa Clara Operations trademarks and UNIX rights, then decided to use those trademarks when the knew regime took over... Tarrentella consisted of other Santa Clara Operations technologies, but were acquired by Sun. |
| 05:07.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'd love to get a bunch of us and the LAPD Swat team out for paintball some day |
| 05:08.15 | Wayward4now | hahahaha |
| 05:08.45 | lunitik | Renze: SCO Group is not much similar to Santa Clara Operations though... |
| 05:08.56 | Wayward4now | lunitik, I remember when caldera bought up a lot of rights to Digital stuff to sue Microsfot over |
| 05:09.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | ok, ksmoothdock is out of the picture - time to find more a dock less a panel |
| 05:09.27 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: there is kxdocker, but it's a pain in the ass to set up |
| 05:09.30 | lunitik | SAS_Spidey01: kxdocker isn't what you want? |
| 05:10.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'll need to look at it lunitik |
| 05:10.13 | Wayward4now | they used Dr. DOS and ConcurrentDOS as the lawsuit material, Ray loved suing M$ |
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| 05:11.00 | lunitik | SAS_Spidey01: Kubuntu or Debian have it packages, it was pretty functional here right away... |
| 05:11.00 | SAS_Spidey01 | I like highly configurable software |
| 05:11.00 | wishie | im trying to get KDE to see my installed bitmap fonts. but they dont seem to show up in the font lists.. any ideas ? |
| 05:14.27 | SAS_Spidey01 | for petes sake, who thought of putting x11-clocks in the ports tree ! |
| 05:15.07 | Wayward4now | wishie, we had a thread on that in Fedora-list, but I can't find it |
| 05:15.14 | Shirakawasuna | lunitik: objectdock is free unless you want stupid features like tabs, etc |
| 05:15.19 | Wayward4now | I thought I had saved that one |
| 05:15.32 | Shirakawasuna | SAS_Spidey01: you're SOL |
| 05:15.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | hahahaha Shirakawasuna |
| 05:15.59 | Shirakawasuna | ksmoothdock is the best thing kde/gnome that I've found |
| 05:16.09 | Shirakawasuna | and you still can't simply drag+drop things onto it |
| 05:16.13 | wishie | Wayward4now: any idea where i can search for it ? |
| 05:16.24 | Shirakawasuna | I use a resize bottom panel |
| 05:16.30 | Shirakawasuna | *resized |
| 05:16.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | I don't exactly need a kde dock so much as a good configurable dock |
| 05:17.10 | Shirakawasuna | ksmoothdock is still the best I've ever used and I had gnome about a year ago |
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| 05:17.17 | SAS_Spidey01 | mines invisible /w a few applets & icons |
| 05:17.35 | Shirakawasuna | invisible? |
| 05:17.37 | Shirakawasuna | sounds useless :) |
| 05:17.44 | SAS_Spidey01 | transparent |
| 05:18.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | now that my config is bziped I'm tempted to try a upper/lower setup like Ubuntus Gnome |
| 05:18.48 | pattern | kword keeps autocorrecting "your" to "you're" whenever i use it... it's **really annoying** |
| 05:19.08 | Wayward4now | wissie, still looking |
| 05:19.30 | wishie | Wayward4now: just read a page that says the gentoo artwiz-fonts package contains broken fonts.. reading some work around now |
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| 05:19.41 | Renze | pattern: doesn't happen here in kword 1.6 |
| 05:20.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | should be a way to adjust autocorrection |
| 05:20.37 | Renze | there is... settings -> configure autocorrection |
| 05:20.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | hey, docker makes a nice little system tray !! |
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| 05:20.44 | pattern | i'm using 1.4.2 |
| 05:21.29 | Wayward4now | which distro do you use? |
| 05:21.56 | wishie | Wayward4now: me ? gentoo on this machine, debian on all my others |
| 05:22.06 | Wayward4now | ah.... no gnome installed? |
| 05:22.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | gee... killed docker and I've still got a docker |
| 05:22.43 | pattern | ok, just took out the "your" to "you're" autocorrection |
| 05:22.45 | pattern | thanks, renze |
| 05:22.53 | Renze | pattern: no problem |
| 05:23.22 | wishie | Wayward4now: gnome and kde installed. |
| 05:23.30 | Wayward4now | I'm reading some kinda craziness about using gnome to set the fonts for KDE? Sounds crazy to me! |
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| 05:23.40 | Renze | Wayward4now: and completely unnecessary |
| 05:23.53 | wishie | Wayward4now: well, linux has always been confusing for fonts in my opinion |
| 05:24.03 | Wayward4now | http://cri.ch/linux/docs/sk0017.html |
| 05:24.41 | Wayward4now | look at the bottom of that link for setting KDE using control panel to gnome for the fonts |
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| 05:25.14 | Wayward4now | sounds weird to me, but I do have font problems with apps under KDE at times, especially firefox |
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| 05:25.24 | Jucato | "If you are using KDE you may have noticed that the settings from KDE are not inherited to Qt applications. Especially Firefox keeps showing bigger fonts not corresponding to the KDE font-settings." <--- Firefox is not a Qt app.... |
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| 05:25.40 | Renze | that guy is an idiot |
| 05:25.43 | Jucato | I think the author meant "not inherited to *GTK* applications" |
| 05:25.50 | Wayward4now | hehehehe |
| 05:26.07 | Wayward4now | well, it confuses me! |
| 05:26.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | what ever happened to Firefox made /w QT |
| 05:26.39 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: there was some effort to port gecko to Qt, but it has been abandoned, afaik |
| 05:26.42 | Wayward4now | probsblt the old license war with Stallman |
| 05:27.04 | Jucato | besides, there's a gtk-qt-engine now that would control the look of GTK apps in KDE |
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| 05:27.18 | Wayward4now | I hated gnome even when I worked at RedHat |
| 05:27.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | PC-BSD is testing that in the beta, havn't tried it yet |
| 05:27.40 | Jucato | Renze: wasn't there talk about being able to compile Firefox 2.0 with Qt instead of GTK? (just heard, no sources...) |
| 05:27.59 | Renze | Jucato: I haven't heard anything like that, but I find it hard to believe |
| 05:28.07 | wishie | brb |
| 05:28.12 | Jucato | too good to be true, I guess. hehehe |
| 05:28.24 | Renze | I prefer khtml to gecko, anyway |
| 05:28.42 | Wayward4now | I hope wishie doesn't blow up with that gnome/kde/font thingie |
| 05:28.48 | Jucato | lol |
| 05:29.12 | Jucato | Renze: when I get my PC back tomorrow, I'll ask again about KHTML and some Google services :) |
| 05:29.33 | Renze | Jucato: make sure you update to 3.5.5 before you ask ;) |
| 05:29.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | if konqueror had roaming profiles and a win32 port I'd sure use it |
| 05:29.49 | Jucato | Renze: ah. so a lot of stuff in KHTML was fixed in 3.5.5? |
| 05:29.58 | Renze | quite a bit, yes |
| 05:30.03 | Jucato | ooh... |
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| 05:30.15 | Renze | Jucato: check the changes list on the announcement |
| 05:30.18 | Jucato | KHTML updates/fixes are the main reason why I upgrade to the latest KDE releases :) |
| 05:30.34 | Jucato | Renze: sometimes I do, but get bored near the middle of the list... |
| 05:30.35 | Jucato | :P |
| 05:30.44 | Renze | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_4to3_5_5.php |
| 05:30.57 | Renze | check the list of changes just to khtml... it's longer than any of the others |
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| 05:31.26 | Jucato | yeah... it's the longest in KDE 3.5.4 also, iirc |
| 05:31.45 | Jucato | of course, some of those changes don't make sense to me :P |
| 05:31.48 | Wayward4now | does khtml go by another package name? |
| 05:31.58 | Renze | Wayward4now: it's in kdelibs |
| 05:32.08 | Wayward4now | ah |
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| 05:32.39 | Wayward4now | Fedora is moving all KDE stuff to their "extras" which we feel is a good thing so we can have a lot more kde apps |
| 05:32.58 | Renze | ick... fedora... |
| 05:33.00 | Wayward4now | did it work wishie?? we worried that you might blow up |
| 05:33.04 | wishie | this is very annoying.. cause i have artwiz fonts working in KDe on my debian systems. cant remember what i had to change though |
| 05:33.31 | vinboy | anyone know how I can rebuild the MBR/partition tables ? |
| 05:33.33 | Wayward4now | I like Fedora, it's pretty good to me |
| 05:33.52 | Wayward4now | fdisk? |
| 05:34.03 | vinboy | does it store partition table? |
| 05:34.08 | wishie | i installed gentoo for ease of setting up nVidia GL + Beryl |
| 05:34.09 | Renze | no |
| 05:35.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | I prefer PC-BSD, all the power of FreeBSD but I don't have to setup the desktop all day |
| 05:35.05 | Wayward4now | god, it's been awhile since I have had to dink with partition tables, thank God |
| 05:35.06 | wishie | i love debian, but gentoo isnt too bad either. |
| 05:35.16 | wishie | however, i cant stand RPM based distros |
| 05:35.28 | Wayward4now | RPM is loosing it's lustre |
| 05:35.36 | wishie | RPM had lustre ? |
| 05:35.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | RPM makes me want to be sick |
| 05:35.46 | Wayward4now | from what I've read apt-get beats it's pants off |
| 05:35.49 | wishie | apt was always better than rpm :P |
| 05:35.54 | Jucato | I just noticed that some RPM distros have better "control centers"... (haven't seen Linspire's or Xandros' though) |
| 05:36.01 | Jucato | er.. apt can do RPMs right? |
| 05:36.07 | Wayward4now | I beleive so |
| 05:36.22 | wishie | well, apt was a debian thing, now it can do RPMS |
| 05:36.44 | wishie | you can also convert rpm->deb etc with alien |
| 05:36.45 | Jucato | coz, Synaptic uses APT, and PCLOS uses Synaptic, and PCLOS is RPM-based... so... |
| 05:36.47 | Jucato | @_@ |
| 05:37.01 | Wayward4now | planetccrma uses FC as it's platform but apt-get for files |
| 05:37.10 | wishie | rpm package management was always crap in my opinion |
| 05:37.29 | wishie | i love how apt takes care of deps etc for you. which, back when i used RH, RPM didnt |
| 05:37.36 | Wayward4now | yum works pretty slick, I have had no problems that were major |
| 05:37.44 | SAS_Spidey01 | IIRC didn't dpkg come before rpm ? |
| 05:37.53 | Renze | it did |
| 05:37.57 | wishie | dpkg, dselect etc |
| 05:38.10 | wishie | dselect. the tool to keep newbies away from debian. |
| 05:38.12 | Wayward4now | not sure, RPM was around since the first RedHat release |
| 05:38.19 | wishie | that used to be the case anyway |
| 05:38.44 | wishie | aaanyway, bitmapped fonts in kde...heh |
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| 05:38.57 | Wayward4now | yum handles the depends IF the packager made sure to note everything |
| 05:38.58 | SAS_Spidey01 | my boss has a copy of RHL or RHEL disks thats like 7.3 |
| 05:39.13 | Renze | wishie: check your xorg.conf and make sure the appropriate font modules are loaded |
| 05:39.20 | Wayward4now | my EX got my Caldera CD's, bless her heart |
| 05:39.35 | Jucato | I have an FC 3 DVD from Linux Bible 2005 :P |
| 05:39.43 | SAS_Spidey01 | aww, how sweet Wayward4now |
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| 05:40.04 | Renze | I have DeadRat 4.2 around here somewhere |
| 05:40.11 | Wayward4now | heheheheheh, yeah, she's got the GOOD ones, too. I had the netscape server package registered in them |
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| 05:40.30 | SAS_Spidey01 | =/ |
| 05:40.31 | wishie | Renze: when i was told to do that in my debian box, i got the artwiz fonts working in non-KDE apps, but not KDE-apps |
| 05:40.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol Renze |
| 05:40.41 | wishie | KDE wouldnt show the fonts in the font list at all |
| 05:40.45 | wishie | ill give it a go though |
| 05:40.57 | Renze | wishie: there is nothing in KDE to enable/disable a specific type of font |
| 05:41.19 | wishie | Renze: but KDE uses fontconfig, or something, doesnt it ? |
| 05:41.25 | wishie | so perhaps that is where my problem lies. |
| 05:41.42 | Renze | true... check your fontconfig settings too |
| 05:42.23 | Renze | I haven't changed mine, however, and bitmap fonts work fine in gentoo here |
| 05:42.44 | Renze | can't stand the artwiz fonts, though... they go against my sense of style :D |
| 05:42.57 | wishie | now that i think of it, the trick on my debian systems was defoma |
| 05:43.33 | Renze | Jucato: I just use .ttf to avoid all the issues :D |
| 05:43.41 | Jucato | hehe |
| 05:43.50 | wishie | fonts are a pain in the ass in linux |
| 05:44.01 | wishie | i just want to use the 'anorexia' font from the artwiz package |
| 05:44.04 | Jucato | problem is... I barely distinguish/recognize if there are font problems at all... |
| 05:44.28 | Jucato | I mean, I can distinguish between one kind of font from another, but AA and stuff like that... |
| 05:44.38 | Jucato | ok, I'm getting offtopic :P |
| 05:45.22 | wishie | hah |
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| 05:47.05 | wishie | hmm |
| 05:47.12 | wishie | for those who care.. Note for Xorg 7.0:: it seems you need to emerge the package "intlfonts". |
| 05:47.29 | Wayward4now | hey wishie, check this cross platform article on fonts |
| 05:47.33 | Wayward4now | http://alkalay.net/linux/docs/font-howto/Font.html |
| 05:48.15 | Renze | intlfonts just installs fonts for non-latin alphabet languages |
| 05:48.36 | Jucato | I hope the link doesn't say KDE font settings aren't carried over to Qt apps like Firefox again :P |
| 05:48.44 | Renze | like リョウ, ãµãŸã¤ japanese |
| 05:48.45 | Wayward4now | <cackoles> |
| 05:48.49 | Jucato | ah yeah, I have this one bookmarked :P |
| 05:49.07 | Wayward4now | google is my friend |
| 05:49.26 | Jucato | somehow, I came across this from one of my feeds. can't recall which... |
| 05:49.40 | wishie | argh! big ass page with loads of images |
| 05:49.46 | wishie | made my amarok stream stop |
| 05:49.57 | Wayward4now | I thought that would keep you busy and out of trouble! <g> |
| 05:50.10 | Wayward4now | Great minds~! |
| 05:50.50 | Wayward4now | I think that huge tome has about everything you could ever want to know |
| 05:50.58 | Jucato | well it does keep him busy... but because he had trouble :P |
| 05:51.10 | Wayward4now | <chuckles hugely> |
| 05:51.15 | wishie | oi! |
| 05:51.35 | Wayward4now | You know what KDE needs? I really good old fashion mud |
| 05:51.50 | Jucato | mud? |
| 05:51.54 | Wayward4now | MUD |
| 05:51.56 | Jucato | wet soil? |
| 05:51.58 | Jucato | :) |
| 05:52.00 | wishie | haha |
| 05:52.09 | wishie | wet dirt |
| 05:52.13 | Jucato | hehe |
| 05:52.16 | wishie | gnome has lots of mud. |
| 05:52.17 | Wayward4now | Multi User Dungeon like in the OLD DAYZ, text |
| 05:52.19 | Wayward4now | hehehehe |
| 05:52.23 | Jucato | aaah... |
| 05:52.25 | wishie | actually, i believe its probably made of mud |
| 05:52.26 | Jucato | those text based thingies |
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| 05:52.29 | Wayward4now | Gnome has shit, in my opinion |
| 05:52.34 | Wayward4now | not mud |
| 05:52.35 | Renze | poo |
| 05:52.40 | Wayward4now | right, that too |
| 05:52.44 | Jucato | what would you expect with something that has a *foot* for an Icon? |
| 05:52.47 | wishie | ive never liked gnome |
| 05:52.55 | Jucato | mud, poo. sh*t, whatever, you step on it all |
| 05:52.56 | wishie | Jucato: you think the foot stood in poo ? |
| 05:52.58 | Wayward4now | it really reeks |
| 05:53.03 | Jucato | lol |
| 05:53.09 | Wayward4now | <howls> |
| 05:53.26 | wishie | i dont know why, but gnome never appealed to me. my other debian mates all love it though |
| 05:53.40 | wishie | most of the people in my LUG used gnome, until i converted nearly all of them |
| 05:53.51 | Jucato | hehehe |
| 05:54.03 | Wayward4now | well, in the beginning there were some fanatics |
| 05:54.06 | Jucato | I tried GNOME (ubuntu) for 3 weeks tops. didn't hate it. but didn't like it either |
| 05:54.21 | wishie | the thing is, the people who didnt like KDE said it was because QT wasnt 'free' |
| 05:54.31 | Wayward4now | who throw all kinds of insults at KDE/ Qt |
| 05:54.34 | wishie | well, "isnt" is the term they use |
| 05:54.35 | Renze | Qt has been GPL for six years+ |
| 05:54.55 | wishie | i know there is GPL now, but they dont seem to know that (or dont want to hear it) |
| 05:54.58 | Wayward4now | they still made a huge stink in the Stallman crowd |
| 05:55.31 | Jucato | funny that Qt is GPL, while GTK is LGPL :) |
| 05:55.52 | wishie | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ <-- heh, i love this bookmark |
| 05:55.53 | Wayward4now | I know... the whole episode stank |
| 05:56.10 | Jucato | wishie: well someone did acknowledge that Qt is now free, but wanted an apology from KDE. caused quite a ruckus among the devs |
| 05:56.40 | wishie | apology for what? making GNOME look crap in comparison ? |
| 05:56.56 | wishie | "we are sorry that KDE makes GNOME look like junk" |
| 05:57.13 | Jucato | wishie: I forgot. I read about it months ago, and the statement was made years ago |
| 05:57.21 | Jucato | the dust has settled down, fortunately |
| 05:57.32 | wishie | they should build a bridge, and get the fsck over it |
| 05:57.37 | Renze | rule #1 yet again :) |
| 05:57.52 | Jucato | Renze: what rule? |
| 05:57.54 | wishie | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg <-- hahah |
| 05:58.00 | Renze | rule #1: users are dumb |
| 05:58.07 | Renze | rule #2: no, they're worse than you think |
| 05:58.11 | wishie | i laugh each time i see that. this is the first time ive loaded it while running gentoo though |
| 05:58.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | I R Genius, I just tried to run "fto" to connect to a ftp server |
| 05:58.29 | Jucato | heh... not *all* users are dumb, right? |
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| 05:58.43 | Wayward4now | Heck, I'm switching to ubunto! |
| 05:58.45 | Renze | Jucato: that's referring to the average user |
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| 05:58.49 | Jucato | ah ok |
| 05:58.59 | wishie | Renze: rule #3: never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups <-- most important rule. |
| 05:59.13 | Wayward4now | I think naked pictures do belong in the office space! heheheh |
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| 05:59.35 | wishie | Wayward4now: they are funny hey |
| 05:59.36 | Jucato | Wayward4now: but they'd be better in bedspace, don't you think? :) |
| 05:59.44 | Wayward4now | no foolin' |
| 05:59.49 | Wayward4now | woof! |
| 05:59.55 | Jucato | hey, how come there's one for FC, and RH, but none for SUSE? |
| 05:59.58 | wishie | i got my mum flying in tomorrow. staying with me for 5 weeks |
| 06:00.07 | Wayward4now | they had Caldera... pre-Suse |
| 06:00.07 | wishie | she has another thing coming if she thinks im installing windows for her |
| 06:00.28 | Jucato | hehe |
| 06:00.38 | Jucato | lol @ Gentoo |
| 06:00.50 | Wayward4now | my mom bought some officemax Emachine and hasn't turned it on like forever |
| 06:00.58 | Sho_ | moin |
| 06:01.05 | Jucato | hi Sho_! |
| 06:01.05 | wishie | mum is like "is there a computer i can use there?" |
| 06:01.06 | Renze | my parents are technophobic luddites |
| 06:01.18 | wishie | i asked her what she wanted to use it for, and she said "emails and stuff" |
| 06:01.23 | Renze | Sho_: guten tag |
| 06:01.27 | Wayward4now | <cackles> that's OK, God loves them too |
| 06:01.29 | Jucato | my mom once unplugged a running computer because she thought it was the way to turn it off... |
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| 06:01.36 | Wayward4now | HA! |
| 06:01.40 | Jucato | fortunately she knows more about computers now :) |
| 06:01.58 | Wayward4now | after you pitched a fit I bet! |
| 06:01.59 | Jucato | but still wouldn't use e-mail unless she *absolutely* had to |
| 06:02.05 | Jucato | Wayward4now: well, almost :) |
| 06:02.09 | wishie | my mum is one of those people who thinks she is a master of the pc, cause she can type fast |
| 06:02.13 | Wayward4now | mine's afraid she'll see porn |
| 06:02.22 | wishie | i always say "thats only cause you were around when typewriters were in" |
| 06:02.36 | Wayward4now | Mom> What's the internet good for? |
| 06:02.43 | Wayward4now | wayward4now> Oorn! |
| 06:02.46 | Wayward4now | Porn! |
| 06:02.53 | wishie | its pr0n |
| 06:02.55 | Wayward4now | <chuckles> |
| 06:03.06 | Jucato | heh |
| 06:03.17 | Jucato | Oorn... |
| 06:03.20 | wishie | my response would be "porn, and ripping off movies, tv shows, and music" |
| 06:03.24 | Wayward4now | yeah, she's a nutcase, good ole Mum |
| 06:03.33 | Wayward4now | that too wishie! |
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| 06:03.44 | Renze | my mum thinks the internet is full of stalkers and kiddie porn |
| 06:03.45 | Jucato | my mom thinks the only thing I do on the computer is play... |
| 06:03.49 | wishie | so i take it by all the 'mom', you guys are american? |
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| 06:03.58 | Renze | I'm not |
| 06:03.59 | Jucato | wishie: definitely not.. :) |
| 06:04.00 | Wayward4now | 'friad so |
| 06:04.11 | Wayward4now | North Carolina |
| 06:04.14 | Jucato | Ok, I'd better start saying "mama" then? |
| 06:04.26 | wishie | if you say 'mom' you are a yank in my book :P |
| 06:04.27 | Wayward4now | or "Mum" or "Mumsi" |
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| 06:04.56 | wishie | <-- australian |
| 06:05.11 | Renze | another ocker! ack! |
| 06:05.15 | Wayward4now | G'day Mate! <---don't you cringe to hear that? |
| 06:05.16 | Renze | <-- kiwi |
| 06:05.37 | Jucato | lol |
| 06:05.37 | Jucato | attack of the ozzies... |
| 06:05.39 | wishie | i hate that aussie yobbo talk crap |
| 06:05.43 | wishie | we dont speak like that! |
| 06:05.52 | Wayward4now | we have all of these Outback Steak Houses, like steak is austrialian |
| 06:05.52 | Renze | wishie: fair suck o' the sav, mate! |
| 06:05.53 | wishie | kiwi != aussie |
| 06:05.57 | Jucato | er yeah |
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| 06:06.07 | Jucato | :) |
| 06:06.11 | Renze | Wayward4now: kangaroo steaks? |
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| 06:06.23 | wishie | Renze: mate kit a kangaroo the other day |
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| 06:06.26 | wishie | wrote his car off |
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| 06:06.32 | wishie | the car was about 8 months old. |
| 06:06.49 | Jucato | "mate kit a kangaroo..." ???? |
| 06:06.50 | qupada | apparently kangaroo tastes pretty good. it's ironic that the animal that is the australian icon is so numerous in population you're allowed to eat it |
| 06:06.51 | Renze | wishie: a friend of mine had the same problem with a cow many years ago... the cow walked away |
| 06:06.53 | Wayward4now | "Bloomi' Onion" is that a native ritual to toss an entire onion into pancake batter and deep fry it? |
| 06:06.54 | wishie | when he told me "i hit a kargaroo last night in my car" i said "hows the kangaroo?" |
| 06:07.06 | Jucato | aah.. "hit" |
| 06:07.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think I just thought of some thing rediculess |
| 06:07.15 | wishie | he got annoyed cause i asked about the kangaroo first, and i replied with 'well, the car is insured, the kangaroo isnt" |
| 06:07.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | Whats the diffrence between GNU and FNU ? |
| 06:07.34 | Jucato | FNU? |
| 06:07.35 | Wayward4now | what did you think sas? |
| 06:07.50 | wishie | SAS_Spidey01: the first letter. |
| 06:08.01 | Jucato | what's FNU? |
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| 06:08.22 | Schalken | around what general time is kde4 intended to be released? |
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| 06:08.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | GNU is not Unix and FNU is not unix. GNU made a user land, FNU made a kernel but they are not compatiblie because FNU is a freeware SysV Unix Kernel ! |
| 06:08.30 | Renze | mid 2007 |
| 06:08.34 | Wayward4now | that's what Gates said FNU! |
| 06:08.52 | Schalken | Renze: thanks. i think it was you who answered last time i asked that question :P |
| 06:08.56 | Jucato | oh... never heard of FNU until today... |
| 06:09.03 | Wayward4now | me neither |
| 06:09.04 | Renze | Schalken: the answer hasn't changed |
| 06:09.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | FNU is a figment of my imagination |
| 06:09.25 | Wayward4now | that gal on that web page |
| 06:09.34 | Wayward4now | hamma hamma |
| 06:09.43 | wishie | Wayward4now: what web page ? |
| 06:10.01 | Wayward4now | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg |
| 06:10.07 | wishie | ahh yeah |
| 06:10.19 | Renze | too much plastic on that woman |
| 06:10.19 | wishie | i been looking at that for years..heh |
| 06:10.26 | wishie | too much plastic ? |
| 06:10.29 | Jucato | I'd rather bring that woman into my bedspace :) |
| 06:10.32 | Renze | surgery |
| 06:10.37 | wishie | i dont get people says 'i dont like fake tits' |
| 06:10.37 | Wayward4now | I would be too if I had seen it before!! heheheh |
| 06:10.44 | Wayward4now | me neither |
| 06:10.47 | wishie | if i can touch them, grab them, they are real enough for me |
| 06:10.55 | Jucato | er... |
| 06:11.01 | Jucato | seriously offtopic... :P |
| 06:11.05 | Wayward4now | would someone say "Amen!"? |
| 06:11.10 | Renze | njet! |
| 06:11.11 | wishie | haha |
| 06:11.12 | Wayward4now | <chuckles> |
| 06:11.16 | wishie | ok, back on topic. |
| 06:11.23 | wishie | bitmap fonts in X/KDE |
| 06:11.23 | Jucato | what's the topic again? |
| 06:11.24 | Jucato | lol |
| 06:11.31 | Renze | Jucato: poo |
| 06:11.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | Nice Ubuntuxx picture |
| 06:11.44 | Jucato | ehehe we might have minors around... lol |
| 06:11.49 | Wayward4now | I'd go back to the bosoms raher than that font thingie |
| 06:11.55 | Wayward4now | <cackles> |
| 06:12.02 | wishie | the slackware picture always makes me laugh too |
| 06:12.07 | Wayward4now | HA! |
| 06:12.28 | Jucato | Gentoo's the best :) |
| 06:12.34 | wishie | yeah, it is |
| 06:12.49 | wishie | and as i said, first time i loaded it up, from within a gentoo install |
| 06:13.10 | wishie | that reminds me.. engage. must checkout e17 again |
| 06:13.25 | wishie | its on my debian boxes, but havent done an svn checkout in a while |
| 06:13.32 | Renze | e17, the Duke Nukem Forever of window managers :D |
| 06:13.47 | Jucato | ... |
| 06:13.53 | wishie | its very pretty, and seems to work well, even on slower system |
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| 06:14.02 | Jucato | E17 != Enlightenment WM, right? |
| 06:14.14 | wishie | e17 is enlightenment dr17 |
| 06:14.19 | Jucato | ah |
| 06:14.21 | wishie | the WM, yes. |
| 06:14.21 | Renze | E17 is Enlightenment version 0.17 |
| 06:14.22 | Jucato | and DR means? |
| 06:14.41 | Wayward4now | which one was it that added the wavy bottom of the desktop? |
| 06:14.43 | wishie | err, devel release, i guess :P |
| 06:14.49 | Jucato | I liked the E17 control panel in Elive... |
| 06:14.50 | wishie | Wayward4now: 16 |
| 06:15.00 | Wayward4now | looked like a lake at the bottom of the desktop |
| 06:15.08 | wishie | Wayward4now: 17 is MUCH better. |
| 06:15.14 | Jucato | E17 minimizes windows as icons, right? |
| 06:15.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | just need to figure out how to get the port built |
| 06:15.31 | wishie | Jucato: depending on what module you are using |
| 06:15.34 | Jucato | I wonder if KDE will get something like that on Kicker... |
| 06:15.37 | qupada | Jucato: heh, minimise as icons... the windows 3.1 way |
| 06:15.41 | wishie | ebar, engage, etc etc.. |
| 06:15.48 | Wayward4now | my kicker went ape today at 99% of cpu |
| 06:16.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | qupada, I always thought that came from twm or fvwm |
| 06:16.20 | Wayward4now | still havent figured why that was |
| 06:16.26 | Jucato | hm.. or for that matter, I wish there was a way in Kicker to show only the icons of opened windows... |
| 06:16.57 | Schalken | where is the setting to turn on X's composite extension? |
| 06:17.03 | Jucato | Kicker can only do "show window name only", but no "show window icon only" |
| 06:17.12 | Jucato | Schalken: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:17.17 | Jucato | you'd have to add it |
| 06:17.31 | Wayward4now | anyone know why kicker would eatup the cpu? |
| 06:17.45 | Jucato | it's hungry? |
| 06:17.47 | qupada | because the cpu is tasty? |
| 06:17.48 | Schalken | Jucato: is it "Composite: On" that i have to add? where do i put it? :P |
| 06:17.55 | Jucato | err... |
| 06:18.00 | Wayward4now | crunchy and good with letchup, right |
| 06:18.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol |
| 06:18.17 | lunitik | Umm... whats letchup? |
| 06:18.26 | Wayward4now | ketchup made from lettuce |
| 06:18.28 | wishie | brb |
| 06:18.30 | lunitik | ew |
| 06:18.31 | Jucato | Schalken: I forgot what to put.. @_@ |
| 06:18.46 | Jucato | ew... letchup... |
| 06:18.59 | lunitik | up* |
| 06:19.01 | Jucato | well, we do have Banana ketchup here... |
| 06:19.06 | Wayward4now | huh? |
| 06:19.08 | Jucato | strange that it's color red... |
| 06:19.16 | Wayward4now | for pancakes? |
| 06:19.22 | lunitik | Jucato: ummm... I don't want to know WHY its red... hah |
| 06:19.27 | Jucato | lol |
| 06:19.36 | lunitik | Sounds like it'd taste good though? |
| 06:19.41 | Wayward4now | what the heck would you put banana ketchup on? |
| 06:19.50 | Jucato | but seriously, we do have 2 types of ketchup here: tomato and banana... both are red |
| 06:19.52 | SAS_Spidey01 | is it possible to edit the menu bar in konqueror ? |
| 06:19.55 | Homer | I really like E17 |
| 06:20.05 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: the File Edit etc? |
| 06:20.06 | qupada | i call BS on enlightenment |
| 06:20.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | yea |
| 06:20.14 | qupada | i didn't feel at all enlightened after using it |
| 06:20.22 | Homer | I like the login screen |
| 06:20.25 | Homer | it's pretty |
| 06:20.30 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: I think it's handled by an XMLGUI thingy... |
| 06:20.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | some one was asking me the other day if they could remove parts of it |
| 06:20.58 | Jucato | not sure if it's in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror or wherever KDEDIR is |
| 06:21.18 | Wayward4now | it's been real guys, tomorow is moving day |
| 06:21.26 | Wayward4now | moving to the country side |
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| 06:21.47 | Jucato | no internet connection? :D |
| 06:22.05 | Jucato | oh he's gone |
| 06:22.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | don't think so, but I told him he might not be able to do it |
| 06:22.40 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: well he could add/remove stuff there. adding is trickier, though |
| 06:22.41 | lunitik | qupada: I like the concept of using Xine to do desktop effects on older hardware... its about 4 years late though, and counting..... |
| 06:23.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | I know he wants to remove the bookmarks entry and a few others |
| 06:23.14 | Jucato | Schalken: found this through Google. I think this is the one you're looking for: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency#Setting_up_X_Composite_Extension |
| 06:23.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | why I have no idea |
| 06:23.25 | lunitik | qupada: umm, unless you're talking about E16... I don't like that desktop |
| 06:23.29 | Jucato | Schalken: a word of caution though, kompmgr is not that stable yet |
| 06:23.30 | Schalken | Jucato: cheers |
| 06:23.43 | qupada | lunitik: no, i did try 17. was a while ago though |
| 06:23.44 | Schalken | kompmgr? |
| 06:23.46 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: ah... by any chance, is he using Kubuntu? |
| 06:23.55 | SAS_Spidey01 | PC-BSD |
| 06:23.56 | Jucato | Schalken: KDE/KWin's composite manager |
| 06:23.59 | Jucato | ah |
| 06:24.08 | lunitik | qupada: its nice... if you have an extra CD around, I recommend tring Elive :) |
| 06:24.16 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: http://www.kde-forum.org/thread.php?threadid=15454&sid= |
| 06:24.19 | Schalken | Jucato: willing to see what happens... |
| 06:24.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | looking through konqueror.rc |
| 06:24.22 | Shirakawasuna | anyone here using beryl? |
| 06:24.31 | Shirakawasuna | I'm thinking of trying it out just for fun |
| 06:24.33 | qupada | lunitik: how about vmware? |
| 06:24.40 | qupada | saves cds, just use the iso |
| 06:24.52 | SAS_Spidey01 | yea that looks like what he's out to do |
| 06:25.00 | Jucato | Schalken: ok then. just though you'd want to know :) |
| 06:25.11 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: that's not your friend? funny coincidence then :P |
| 06:25.42 | SAS_Spidey01 | lm*o I think it is |
| 06:25.47 | wishie | ok, well, ive got somewhat further i think |
| 06:25.49 | Jucato | does you friend know he can also bookmark directories, files, kioslaves, etc? I find that actually useful |
| 06:25.58 | SAS_Spidey01 | same nick posted on pc-bsd |
| 06:26.04 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:26.31 | wishie | but its saying "skipping, 0 fonts, 0 dirs" |
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| 06:26.44 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?t=5931 |
| 06:27.01 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I Love PC-BSD |
| 06:27.17 | Jucato | yep looks like the same person |
| 06:27.17 | Solifugus | Question: is it a breach of the GPL to write closed-source software that uses the KDE API? |
| 06:27.25 | Schalken | Jucato: wait, does the composite extension require the latest Xorg? i have 6.9... :S |
| 06:27.44 | SAS_Spidey01 | a system wide konqueror.rc file looks like it's got the entries for all that stuff |
| 06:27.47 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: btw, does pressing Esc not work when the bookmarks menu fills up the screen? |
| 06:27.50 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Solifugus: ask Sho_ |
| 06:27.51 | wishie | composite has been in for a while afaik |
| 06:28.08 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: probably somewhere in /usr/share/apps or /etc/kde3 or somewhere? |
| 06:28.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | I don't remember, I havn't used konqueror very much in near a year |
| 06:28.19 | Jucato | :) |
| 06:28.27 | Solifugus | Sho_: Can one write closed source software that uses the KDE API without breaching the GPL? |
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| 06:28.34 | Jucato | Schalken: I think 6.9 would do |
| 06:28.35 | benJIman | Solifugus: most of kdelibs is lgpl, but you'd need to buy a Licence from trolltech |
| 06:28.42 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've got vim open to /usr/local/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc |
| 06:28.44 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ( for Qt ) |
| 06:29.00 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: that would probably be it |
| 06:29.16 | Solifugus | benJIman: Only for QT, but QT isn't required to link and use it.. GTK can be used. |
| 06:29.21 | AegeanLinux|DnD | WOW! PC-BSD has been bought out. |
| 06:29.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | I usually do file management from my shell & use seamonkey for the web |
| 06:29.37 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: huh? (and you're still DnD...) |
| 06:29.43 | benJIman | Solifugus: err no you're not going to have any success using gtk with kdelibs |
| 06:29.53 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: I know I am on DnD and here http://www.ixsystems.com/news.php?date=20061010 |
| 06:30.00 | SAS_Spidey01 | love the roaming profile even if it's not fully functional |
| 06:30.15 | Jucato | AegeanBot: so we shouldn't disturb you... :) |
| 06:30.16 | AegeanBot | Bugger all, I dunno, Jucato. |
| 06:30.19 | SAS_Spidey01 | makes it realy easy to sync my bookmarks between computers |
| 06:30.25 | Solifugus | benJIman: why is that? I thought it was supported? |
| 06:30.30 | Jucato | er.. lol wrong Aegean.... |
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| 06:30.54 | SAS_Spidey01 | ahh sweet w3schools has a xml tutorial |
| 06:30.57 | benJIman | Solifugus: why would you think that? |
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| 06:31.08 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: it does? kool |
| 06:31.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | "XML Does not DO Anything" I like this start |
| 06:31.51 | Solifugus | I remember once skimming through a tutorial on using GTK to write KDE applications.. they was a C wrapper built, too... I once heard. |
| 06:32.04 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: heheh by itself, of course not :) |
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| 06:32.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | Q: When should I use XML? \ |
| 06:32.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | A: When you need a buzzword in your resume |
| 06:32.46 | Jucato | but HTML doesn't do anything by itself either, right? you still need something to interpret it? |
| 06:33.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | okie found what I needed, comments are the same as html/xhtml |
| 06:33.28 | Jucato | <!-- --> |
| 06:33.32 | Solifugus | benJIman: my understanding was simply that non-QT apps could not be considered for inclusion as official KDE apps...but that someone had done the work to make c apps work with the kde api. |
| 06:33.34 | Jucato | lol you could have asked :) |
| 06:33.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | I thought it too simple to ask :) |
| 06:33.54 | wishie | well, there is something strang. |
| 06:33.56 | wishie | strange too |
| 06:34.13 | wishie | i just copied over my artwiz fonts dir from my debian system, and ran fc-cache -v again |
| 06:34.19 | benJIman | Solifugus: you can write kde c apps yes. |
| 06:34.20 | wishie | this time, it found 107 fonts in that dir. |
| 06:34.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | curious, lack of time, can't find it, need help e.t.c. I tend to ask but I try not to bypass a quick stfw |
| 06:35.23 | benJIman | Solifugus: but kdelibs is almost like an extension to Qt, There's not really anything you can use without using Qt, and you certainly wouldn't be able to build it without Qt. |
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| 06:35.42 | Solifugus | benJIman: but I cannot create a gui using gtk and call up kparts for the fileopen/save dialogs (with kio), etc? |
| 06:35.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hhahahahahahhahahahahahhaha, I think gtk+ just failed to compile |
| 06:35.57 | Jucato | O_o |
| 06:35.59 | wishie | it works! bitmapped fonts work! |
| 06:35.59 | AegeanLinux|DnD | SAS_Spidey01: haha? |
| 06:36.12 | benJIman | Solifugus: you probably could do, but they would be using Qt. |
| 06:36.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'm just lmao'ing |
| 06:36.26 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Just updating dolphin and basket now ... |
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| 06:36.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | which is an oxy moron as the l has an ing to it all ready :) |
| 06:36.51 | Solifugus | benJIman: I think the only important things would be kparts and cut&paste... |
| 06:37.13 | Shirakawasuna | SAS_Spidey01: not oxymoron, redundant |
| 06:37.33 | SAS_Spidey01 | fair enough if I wasn't the one typing it Shirakawasuna xD |
| 06:37.35 | benJIman | Solifugus: all the "kde" bits will be using Qt, |
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| 06:37.49 | benJIman | Solifugus: and you won't be using any kde stuff without using Qt. |
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| 06:38.46 | Shirakawasuna | SAS_Spidey01: ? |
| 06:38.53 | Schalken | Jucato: hmm i have some gripes but overall the performance is okay |
| 06:38.57 | Sho_ | Solifugus: (1) The product is called "Qt", not QT. (2) Copy'n'paste is standardized by Freedesktop and to some degree X, apps don't need to use the same toolkit to interoperate. (3) Yes, with a commercial Qt license, closed source software can be written against kdelibs. (4) No, you cannot use GTK with kdelibs, kdelibs is in many ways an extension to Qt. |
| 06:39.03 | Solifugus | benJIman: that's fine.. so long as it's legal to write an app closed-source that can say, call a fileopen dialog and get a file stream or filename from it..for example |
| 06:39.20 | Schalken | brb |
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| 06:39.24 | Jucato | wow! that's quite a lot :) |
| 06:39.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | open google and type my name, you'll see me listed as an Ox and a Moron xD |
| 06:40.04 | Jucato | live journal? |
| 06:40.36 | benJIman | Solifugus: it's legal to write a fully closed source Qt app, you just have to buy a licence from trolltech. |
| 06:40.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | rolf, my blog & my pc-bsd sig |
| 06:41.05 | Sho_ | Solifugus: Qt4 offers integration with the glib main event loop, so Qt4 apps can make use of Glib/GTK resources. But you can't eliminate Qt out of the picture if you want to use any KDE technology. |
| 06:41.21 | lunitik | qupada: what about VMWare? (sorry, I was distracted) |
| 06:42.07 | Jucato | meaning, if you want to use anything KDE, you need Qt. so if you want to make a closed-source app, you'd need to buy a license from Trolltech |
| 06:42.08 | awest | wow, my hard drive sure is a lot quieter in Linux than in Windows.... I'm using about 1/6th the RAM. |
| 06:42.27 | Sho_ | As Jucato says |
| 06:42.27 | Jucato | heh just summarizing :) |
| 06:42.36 | Jucato | looks like we're back to discussing licenses? :) |
| 06:42.51 | lunitik | awest: let your RAM fill before saying anything ;) |
| 06:42.58 | lunitik | ~ram |
| 06:43.02 | apt | i guess ram is Random Access Memory (just like a desktop), not to be confused with Flash. RAM goes away on reset (or any time it loses power), flash stays forever. or http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/pocketpc/columns/romvram.asp |
| 06:43.02 | Solifugus | benJIman: i simply want the option of provided what I write as closed-source or GPL... I've written a few things with QT, but have still not figured out all of its little querks.. |
| 06:43.17 | lunitik | meh... dpkg has a better factoid about that |
| 06:43.24 | Jucato | heh |
| 06:43.45 | Sho_ | Solifugus: (1) The product is called Qt, not QT. (2) You can write closed source Qt applications by purchasing an appropriate license from Trolltech. |
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| 06:43.52 | benJIman | Solifugus: Qt(it's Qt not QT btw) provides you with that option, you just have to pay if you want closed apps. |
| 06:44.12 | lunitik | Basically: unused RAM is WASTED RAM... its not good to be using 20% of RAM, because then your processor has nothing to do, or has to wait on the harddrive.... BAD |
| 06:44.22 | Solifugus | Sho_: yes.. I see.. I might buy one... not just yet, it's pricey. |
| 06:44.44 | Sho_ | Solifugus: Trolltech offers thinks like 65% discounts for small amounts of licenses for individuals or startup businesses |
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| 06:45.04 | Schalken | JucatoL its just a bit dodgy the way Yakauke handles the shadows |
| 06:45.28 | awest | lunitik: I wasn't counting cache buffers |
| 06:45.38 | Solifugus | Sho_: I didn't know that.... You see I lost a lot of money with my last big venture some years back, and my wife won't let me spend so much this time around. |
| 06:45.57 | Schalken | Jucato: that is, it draws a shadow for where its going to be while its sliding down |
| 06:46.41 | Jucato | Schalken: hehe well kompmgr isn't actually the greatest thing in the world. it works at first, but later, well... you'll see |
| 06:47.07 | Sho_ | Solifugus: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/licenses/licensing/smallbusiness |
| 06:47.09 | Schalken | Jucato: are you saying it begins to break over time? |
| 06:47.32 | Sho_ | Solifugus: Sounds like the small business licensing scheme might be for you |
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| 06:47.41 | Jucato | Schalken: well, for me, it begins to leak over time... and sometimes it behaves rather weirdly, at least in KDE 3.5.4 |
| 06:47.52 | Jucato | specially with apps that can sit in the system tray |
| 06:48.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hooah, it worked |
| 06:48.35 | Solifugus | Sho_: perhaps.. I have 2,000 square feet of office space, 15 computers with desks and leather chairs, but cannot hire anyone.. I can only have "partners". |
| 06:49.13 | Schalken | im trying to revert my xorg.conf, however there is xorg.conf~ and xorg.conf.backup, which is the one i hope KWrite saved automatically? |
| 06:49.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think I might like the idea of a program using XML files this way |
| 06:49.28 | Renze | Schalken: ~ |
| 06:49.44 | Schalken | "cp xorg.conf~ xorg.conf" it is then |
| 06:50.43 | Jucato | Schalken: depends on the setting, I think the one with ~ is the backup |
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| 06:52.41 | Jucato | hm... and then there was silence :) |
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| 06:53.36 | Renze | shh! |
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| 06:54.00 | awest | okay I'll ask a Q ... can I develop for MS SQL Server and ASP inside of Linux? |
| 06:54.13 | Schalken | is there a spotlight/deskbar search applet for kde? |
| 06:54.16 | awest | guess I'd need to run a virtual machine with Windows inside... |
| 06:55.17 | benJIman | awest: you can do asp.net stuff with mono and mod_mono |
| 06:55.20 | Ardonik | awest: Mono supports ASP.NET 1.1 (they're working on 2.0.) |
| 06:55.37 | Ardonik | But SQL server is a proprietary product and can only be run from Windows. |
| 06:55.44 | benJIman | if you're just connecting to sql server you can do it from anything. |
| 06:55.45 | Ardonik | None of this has anything to do with KDE. |
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| 06:56.04 | Shirakawasuna | Ardonik: what do you think is 'too much' to pay for auto insurance? |
| 06:56.09 | Shirakawasuna | Ardonik: also, write my essay |
| 06:56.17 | Ardonik | I'm sorry, what? |
| 06:58.56 | Shirakawasuna | I said write my essay :) |
| 06:59.38 | Renze | "my essay" <-- there you go |
| 07:00.35 | Shirakawasuna | okay now write it again but add about 120 words to either side |
| 07:00.42 | Shirakawasuna | and then translate it into german |
| 07:00.48 | Schalken | lol |
| 07:01.17 | Schalken | is there a search applet for the panel like mac's spotlight of gnome's deskbar??? |
| 07:01.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think XML is more fun then xHTML >_< |
| 07:01.47 | Jucato | er... |
| 07:01.49 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: XHTML is XML |
| 07:02.22 | SAS_Spidey01 | yes, but in this useage its much more fun |
| 07:02.29 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: don't think so |
| 07:02.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | Jucato, http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?p=36184#36184 |
| 07:02.40 | Schalken | Shirakawasuna: aww |
| 07:02.49 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: you can get a beagle/beagle-like program but I don't think there's an applet |
| 07:02.53 | Shirakawasuna | someone can correct me if I'm wrong |
| 07:03.11 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: beagle does spotlight-like searching |
| 07:03.31 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: lol.. I'm flattered :) |
| 07:03.36 | Jucato | thanks :) |
| 07:03.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | one of the things I dearly love about KDE is the freedom to define my UI |
| 07:03.53 | Schalken | i know but im looking for one where it shows the search bar and results in a menu popup-like-thing like deskbar/spotlight |
| 07:03.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | yw, I would've taken another hour to figure it out my self |
| 07:04.55 | Jucato | I wish there was some *awesome* documentation that has all the possible XMLGUI actions you could put in... :) |
| 07:05.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | aye, that would be interstellar |
| 07:05.15 | awest | "Connection reset by pear?" (says KSirc...) Careful what you eat while at the keyboard... |
| 07:05.26 | Jucato | awest: lol |
| 07:05.34 | Renze | I prefer connection reset by beer |
| 07:05.48 | Renze | *hic* |
| 07:06.11 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: I suppose you could write a script and hotkey it |
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| 07:06.26 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: press it once, the kde beagle-thing pops up, press it again it dies violently |
| 07:06.33 | Shirakawasuna | or not violently, you choice ;) |
| 07:06.48 | Shirakawasuna | kerry is what I'm thinking of |
| 07:06.48 | Jucato | Renze, Sho_: does such a document exist? |
| 07:07.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol Renze |
| 07:07.10 | Jucato | document that has the available XMLGUI actions you can put in menus? |
| 07:07.11 | Renze | Jucato: no idea |
| 07:07.16 | Schalken | Shirakawasuna: wheres that page where they try to emulate macos as much as they can with baghira and kxdocker etc...they must have used something to eulate spotlight |
| 07:07.36 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: doubt it |
| 07:07.37 | wishie | crap. its 5:10pm |
| 07:07.42 | Sho_ | Jucato: There's some XMLGUI stuff on developer.kde.org |
| 07:07.49 | wishie | i gotta clean the car etc before i pick mum up tomorrow |
| 07:07.50 | Renze | wishie: no it isn't |
| 07:07.55 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: there might be a simple search but it's not as comprehensive as spotlight |
| 07:08.01 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: you could always get a mac ;) |
| 07:08.02 | Schalken | Renze: yes it is |
| 07:08.12 | Renze | Mon Oct 23 20:08:04 NZDT 2006 |
| 07:08.14 | Renze | no it isn't |
| 07:08.15 | wishie | my mum is going to yell at me. she hasnt seen the car i bought. |
| 07:08.17 | Renze | :) |
| 07:08.24 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:08.30 | wishie | so i want it to be all sparkly, to minimize the yelling |
| 07:08.43 | Jucato | 8pm? |
| 07:08.48 | Renze | wishie: attach some glitter to the dirt |
| 07:09.01 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Mon Oct 23 07:09:24 GMT 2006 |
| 07:09.01 | Schalken | Shirakawasuna: a Mac? theyre expensive, especially when you add on the cost of software to put on it |
| 07:09.08 | wishie | Renze: i just wanna give it a quick wash, and a vaccuum |
| 07:09.09 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: lies |
| 07:09.11 | AegeanLinux|DnD | hmmm, 7:09 am here :/ |
| 07:09.17 | Jucato | heh |
| 07:09.31 | wishie | my mum is one of the ones that doesnt believe in spending lots of money on a car. |
| 07:09.40 | wishie | she would rather me drive a $1000 shitbox |
| 07:09.42 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: more expensive than barebones + linux maybe, not cheaper than windows boxes for the same hardware config |
| 07:09.43 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: you make a distro, and you can't even get your clock right? ;) |
| 07:09.48 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: especially when you add in software |
| 07:09.48 | AegeanLinux|DnD | wishie: and you spent how much |
| 07:09.57 | SAS_Spidey01 | You in the UK AegeanLinux|DnD ? |
| 07:09.58 | wishie | AegeanLinux|DnD: i _little_ more :P heh |
| 07:10.00 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Renze: no, I can not be bothered setting it right |
| 07:10.04 | wishie | well, ALOT more |
| 07:10.12 | AegeanLinux|DnD | $10,000 ? |
| 07:10.15 | wishie | more. |
| 07:10.20 | Shirakawasuna | Schalken: you essentially need no programs but firefox/x-chat/openoffice and *bam* you're good |
| 07:10.22 | AegeanLinux|DnD | a-ha ;-) |
| 07:10.22 | Renze | $1,000,000? |
| 07:10.28 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lol |
| 07:10.31 | wishie | Renze: i wish. |
| 07:10.37 | wishie | nah, i got a 5 series bmw |
| 07:10.41 | Renze | wishie: one googolplex? |
| 07:10.45 | AegeanLinux|DnD | :O |
| 07:10.56 | Schalken | how can i make KGet not ask me where to save every file i drag onto it? its very tedious with all these files, i just want em all in my home directory! |
| 07:11.35 | Jucato | Schalken: it's somewhere in the settings... |
| 07:11.44 | Jucato | ugh... can I get more vague than that? |
| 07:12.12 | AegeanLinux|DnD | wishie: you serious ? |
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| 07:12.21 | Jucato | in fact, you can teach KGet to download certain types of files in certain folders |
| 07:13.04 | wishie | AegeanLinux|DnD: yeah |
| 07:13.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | that would be useful |
| 07:13.31 | wishie | i been working hard, so i thought id spoil myself |
| 07:13.31 | Shirakawasuna | (or a scooter) |
| 07:13.40 | AegeanLinux|DnD | just give me the money, I will by the cheapest new car, and then buy a few computers ^_^ |
| 07:13.43 | SAS_Spidey01 | I usually use ~/Downloads, my desktop and <my_USB_Stick>/var/tmp/ |
| 07:13.49 | wishie | i bought a 1998 aspen silver 523i |
| 07:14.16 | wishie | it has a pc in it :) with lcd touchscreen in the dash now :) |
| 07:14.39 | Schalken | Jucato: i looks like i can set the default for different types of files, but cant make it not ask me every time |
| 07:14.45 | AegeanLinux|DnD | btw Renze, I have fixed my desktop: http://tim.aegeanlinux.be/pix/wik-kplato1.png |
| 07:14.46 | Schalken | it* |
| 07:14.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | its funny, I've been on dos/nt most of my life but unix style directory structure permiates my file systems |
| 07:15.04 | Jucato | Schalken: sorry I couldn't be more specific. I'm not on Linux right now... |
| 07:15.12 | Slack4020 | how can i have Kplayer work with xine ? |
| 07:15.29 | wishie | kplayer ? whats that ? |
| 07:15.34 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: still too cluttered :D |
| 07:15.44 | wishie | i use kaffeine for video |
| 07:15.49 | Slack4020 | yea |
| 07:15.50 | Shirakawasuna | Slack4020: most people use kmplayer nowadays |
| 07:15.50 | AegeanLinux|DnD | you do not like the clearlooks win deco Renze ? |
| 07:15.53 | Slack4020 | im trying ot use kplayer |
| 07:15.56 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: nope |
| 07:15.59 | Shirakawasuna | Slack4020: and kmplayer can use xine |
| 07:16.00 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ^_^ |
| 07:16.02 | Slack4020 | kmplayer ? |
| 07:16.11 | Shirakawasuna | yes |
| 07:16.12 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: because it's dekorator |
| 07:16.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | kmplayer is kde frontend to mplayer |
| 07:16.13 | wishie | Shirakawasuna: why not just use kaffeine ? |
| 07:16.15 | Slack4020 | i thought that is the browser plugin ? |
| 07:16.18 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Renze: no it is not. |
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| 07:16.31 | Shirakawasuna | because xine-lib-1.1.2 doesn't work correctly with my grahpics card |
| 07:16.32 | AegeanLinux|DnD | It is a hacky port of clearlooks |
| 07:16.35 | wishie | kaffeine handles DVB better, ive found. |
| 07:16.36 | Shirakawasuna | corrupts the gamma for videos, it does |
| 07:16.37 | Sho_ | Slack4020: It's standalone, too (and one still doesn't insert a space before question marks, btw) |
| 07:16.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://kplayer.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:16.43 | Renze | kmplayer can use xine-lib too |
| 07:16.46 | Shirakawasuna | (for the Xv plugin) |
| 07:16.58 | Slack4020 | well i already got kplayer installed :P |
| 07:16.59 | Jucato | it's so confusing... KPlayer and KMplayer... |
| 07:17.06 | Shirakawasuna | I know |
| 07:17.08 | Shirakawasuna | there's two of them |
| 07:17.12 | Slack4020 | is there any Kplayer plugin for Konq ? |
| 07:17.18 | Shirakawasuna | I have lots of problems when there are two things at a time |
| 07:17.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think kplayer might use mplayer for a backend or it's so simular it's hard to tell |
| 07:17.44 | Shirakawasuna | whenever someone asks me to consider three things, I hurt them |
| 07:17.48 | Sho_ | Jucato: Considering that KPlayer appears to be dead for a small eterinity now ... I'm wondering how anybody is still finding it ;) |
| 07:17.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | all I really want out of a media player is good dvd support and play any thing I can try to play, that makes me love mplayer hehe |
| 07:18.13 | wishie | mplayer? it cant even do dvd menus |
| 07:18.14 | Schalken | Jucato: yay! it seems if you turn on 'expert mode' it does it automatically |
| 07:18.19 | SAS_Spidey01 | PC-BSD has a PBI of kplayer and FreeBSD has it in ports |
| 07:18.23 | Slack4020 | can Kplayer work with Xine ? |
| 07:18.29 | Slack4020 | or is it just Mplayer ? |
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| 07:19.43 | Jucato_ | lol.. . |
| 07:20.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | dunno |
| 07:20.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://kplayer.sourceforge.net/manual/ |
| 07:20.39 | wishie | well, my gentoo system is finally starting to shape up.. |
| 07:20.39 | Shirakawasuna | Slack4020: kplayer is no longer updated |
| 07:21.09 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: There appears to be some movement in their CVS repository, perhaps there's a release ahead after all |
| 07:21.15 | Slack4020 | i dont really care but i want ot use one or the other xine or mplayer |
| 07:21.18 | Shirakawasuna | huh |
| 07:21.21 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: weird |
| 07:21.23 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Sho_: even WMV's with DRM stuck onto it ? |
| 07:21.25 | Slack4020 | i dont want this program using this and this using another |
| 07:21.31 | Shirakawasuna | you'd think kplayer/kmplayer wouldn't compete :) |
| 07:21.39 | AegeanLinux|DnD | WMV videos like that looked garbled to me, what about you? |
| 07:21.51 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: I don't think I've encountered one yet |
| 07:21.59 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|DnD: like what? |
| 07:22.05 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: that's how they're supposed to look ;) |
| 07:22.17 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Renze: riotio |
| 07:22.22 | wishie | is there a terminal emulator that supports real trans yet ? |
| 07:22.31 | SAS_Spidey01 | how is xine ? |
| 07:22.42 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Shirakawasuna: Like the LOST episodes you download from Yahoo7.com.au |
| 07:23.00 | Slack4020 | is there only one video brwoser plugin ? |
| 07:23.05 | Sho_ | is there a typing virus floating around? :) |
| 07:23.13 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: that's why you download avis from bittorrent instead :D |
| 07:23.15 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|DnD: I download no LOST episodes :) |
| 07:23.18 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:23.21 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|DnD: anything smaller? |
| 07:23.27 | Sho_ | wishie: I believe Konsole is supposed to have some amount of COMPOSITE support these days |
| 07:23.31 | Shirakawasuna | I almost never have problems w/ any format/codec |
| 07:23.41 | Shirakawasuna | in fact it's far easier in linux than in windows |
| 07:23.53 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Shirakawasuna: Limewire do a search for pr0n |
| 07:24.06 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I am sure you will get some DRM protected material there |
| 07:24.11 | AegeanLinux|DnD | not that I have tried ^_^ |
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| 07:24.13 | Jucato | for me, it's the same in windows and linux. I have to install codecs :) |
| 07:24.29 | SAS_Spidey01 | between K-Lite Codec pack+Media player classic and Mplayer windows is well stocked |
| 07:24.43 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: I only have to install the 'codecs' package |
| 07:25.08 | Renze | I only have to set one use flag :D |
| 07:25.10 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: same here. what I'm saying is that I'd still have to install codecs :) |
| 07:25.11 | Sho_ | On Gentoo, I set up the right USE flags during install, and pretty much all codecs I'd ever want - including the unfree ones - are installed alongside the players automatically |
| 07:25.25 | Sho_ | And beyond that, I've never had to do anything |
| 07:25.43 | Renze | Sho_: ditto |
| 07:25.49 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|DnD: I have no limewire :) |
| 07:26.08 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I will try and download you one then Shirakawasuna |
| 07:26.23 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: by unfree you mean win32codecs or you actually paid for them? |
| 07:26.32 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: win32codecs |
| 07:26.41 | Jucato | w32codecs |
| 07:26.48 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: and mp3, etc. |
| 07:26.52 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 07:26.54 | Shirakawasuna | me too |
| 07:27.09 | Jucato | no. nonfree here means, not free as in free speech |
| 07:27.30 | SAS_Spidey01 | There is only one thing I don't like about KDE as a whole |
| 07:27.53 | Shirakawasuna | kwin has no good themes? |
| 07:28.10 | Jucato | oh... themes again.. :) |
| 07:28.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | when ever I find a neat little option to test, alot of times theres no tool tip and little to no help files when I look |
| 07:28.26 | Sho_ | Jucato: You could say that themes are a recurring theme, eh? |
| 07:28.33 | Jucato | Sho_: lol yeah |
| 07:29.08 | Jucato | well, KDE-Look, and the current KDE Theme Manager, don't make things easy... |
| 07:29.26 | AegeanLinux|DnD | AegeanBot: themes is availible as 'Styles' over at www.kde-look.org . The best theme for KDE is called 'QtCurve' and makes you desktop have a consistant look. |
| 07:29.26 | AegeanBot | Gotcha, AegeanLinux|DnD. |
| 07:30.01 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: At one point there was some thought of putting a system into debug builds that would allow users to submit tooltip suggestions for items missing them by clicking them and typing into a dialog |
| 07:30.17 | Jucato | ah yeah I've heard about that one |
| 07:30.25 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: As the reasons for the lack of tooltips is ultimately lack of manpower |
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| 07:31.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | Fair enough Sho_ |
| 07:31.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | as long as they are documented in the sources |
| 07:31.58 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanBot: AegeanLinux|DnD enjoyes moldy licorice |
| 07:31.58 | AegeanBot | Dunno, Shirakawasuna. |
| 07:32.02 | smacnay | Well, after using solely vim/latex for years, I am plunging into kde and trying out openoffice (only to be able to read/write MS format) and koffice. |
| 07:32.13 | Shirakawasuna | enjoyes = not a word ... |
| 07:32.15 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:32.22 | SAS_Spidey01 | greetings vim user |
| 07:32.23 | smacnay | I have a eeling that I will still be using vim/latex frequently |
| 07:32.32 | smacnay | hi |
| 07:32.39 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Shirakawasuna: type AegeanBot: what is themes |
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| 07:32.46 | Renze | smacnay: give LyX a try |
| 07:32.48 | Jucato | hm.. that was strange.... |
| 07:32.51 | smacnay | kate is a nice app btw |
| 07:32.53 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanBot: what is your mom? |
| 07:32.54 | AegeanBot | Wish I knew! |
| 07:32.57 | Sho_ | smacnay: There's an excelent LaTeX editor for KDE, called Kile |
| 07:32.57 | Shirakawasuna | aww |
| 07:33.02 | Jucato | the "hi" comes after lines of comment :) |
| 07:33.03 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanBot: what is themes? |
| 07:33.04 | AegeanBot | hmm... themes is availible as 'Styles' over at www.kde-look.org . The best theme for KDE is called 'QtCurve' and makes you desktop have a consistant look, Shirakawasuna |
| 07:33.07 | smacnay | I tried LyX but never really liked it |
| 07:33.07 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanBot: what are themes? |
| 07:33.08 | AegeanBot | Wish I knew, Shirakawasuna. |
| 07:33.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | can konqueror use most any netscape plugin ? |
| 07:33.11 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:33.15 | Sho_ | smacnay: http://kile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:33.20 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: yes |
| 07:33.22 | smacnay | kile - I have heard of it |
| 07:33.28 | Jucato | the bot accepts "What is themes" but not "What are themes" ? |
| 07:33.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | sweet |
| 07:33.28 | AegeanLinux|DnD | AegeanBot: themes are availible as 'Styles' over at www.kde-look.org . The best theme for KDE is called 'QtCurve' and makes you desktop have a consistant look |
| 07:33.29 | smacnay | Sho_: thanks |
| 07:33.29 | AegeanBot | Got it. |
| 07:33.31 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanLinux|DnD: your bot can't understand sentences with properly conjugated verbs :) |
| 07:33.44 | Jucato | ah there. fixed :) |
| 07:33.47 | Shirakawasuna | AegeanBot: what are themes? |
| 07:33.48 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Shirakawasuna: try again ^_^ |
| 07:33.48 | AegeanBot | hmm... themes are availible as 'Styles' over at www.kde-look.org . The best theme for KDE is called 'QtCurve' and makes you desktop have a consistant look, Shirakawasuna |
| 07:33.50 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Same as the owner *flames* ;) |
| 07:34.20 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: but actually, there is another kind of theme, the ones handled by KDE Theme Manager, .kth files... |
| 07:34.38 | Slack4020 | i will use kaffeine |
| 07:34.40 | Renze | Jucato: I've never bothered with any of those |
| 07:34.45 | Jucato | and iirc, Sho_ said "Styles" are not "themes" |
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| 07:34.53 | Jucato | Renze: .kth files? |
| 07:34.54 | AegeanLinux|DnD | AegeanBot: themes are also another kind of theme, the ones handled by KDE Theme Manager, .kth files. |
| 07:34.56 | AegeanBot | 10-4, AegeanLinux|DnD. |
| 07:35.04 | Jucato | lol 10-4 |
| 07:35.04 | AegeanLinux|DnD | AegeanBot: what are themes |
| 07:35.05 | AegeanBot | It has been said that themes are availible as 'Styles' over at www.kde-look.org . The best theme for KDE is called 'QtCurve' and makes you desktop have a consistant look or another kind of theme, the ones handled by KDE Theme Manager, .kth files, AegeanLinux|DnD |
| 07:35.08 | Sho_ | Widget engines are called "styles" in KDE lingo |
| 07:35.28 | Sho_ | KDE "themes" are text files denoting certain choices of style, color scheme, icon set, fonts, etc. |
| 07:35.31 | Jucato | Sho_: I'm guessing that should be a FAQ... |
| 07:36.00 | Sho_ | Jucato: yeah ... just had the same thought, a FAQ entry with a little table .. |
| 07:36.16 | Slack4020 | do mozilla plugins work with konqueror ? |
| 07:36.22 | Jucato | Slack4020: no |
| 07:36.35 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmmmm |
| 07:36.35 | Jucato | afaik |
| 07:36.35 | AegeanLinux|DnD | they don't |
| 07:36.44 | Slack4020 | then why does konq look in the dir for them ? |
| 07:36.51 | AegeanLinux|DnD | hmmmm, I thought they did, what about Flash ? |
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| 07:36.58 | Sho_ | There are no "Mozilla plugins" |
| 07:37.04 | Slack4020 | well |
| 07:37.05 | Sho_ | Both Konqueror and Mozilla use Netscape plugins |
| 07:37.11 | Jucato | I was thinking of Firefox plugins lol |
| 07:37.13 | Sho_ | Mozilla has a dir for Netscape plugins |
| 07:37.17 | Sho_ | Konqueror looks there, too |
| 07:37.21 | Sho_ | That's all |
| 07:37.28 | Slack4020 | karriene is a KDE media player and they provide a Mozilla plugin so i have to expect it would work with Konq |
| 07:37.29 | Jucato | er s/plugins/extension |
| 07:37.44 | Jucato | sorry :P |
| 07:38.04 | AegeanLinux|DnD | !s plugins extension |
| 07:38.04 | AegeanBot | <Jucato> er s/extension/extension |
| 07:38.19 | Sho_ | There are some ways to write a Netscape plugin that make them compatible with Mozilla but not Konqueror |
| 07:38.23 | Sho_ | But then it's a sucky plugin :) |
| 07:38.28 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: nice. a functional bot in here. :) |
| 07:38.52 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: and it updates #kdessssss (my test channel) on new apps on kde-apps.org |
| 07:39.04 | Jucato | ssssssssweet :) |
| 07:39.17 | Ardonik | flashplayer portssssss |
| 07:39.39 | Jucato | ssssoon everybody well be sssspeaking in Python.... |
| 07:39.41 | Renze | who let Gollum in here? |
| 07:40.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | I have no flashplayer on any of my own computers, time to see just how much reason I have to hate adobe/macomedia |
| 07:40.10 | Renze | my preciousssss |
| 07:40.13 | Slack4020 | i like the new flash player 9 beta :P |
| 07:40.14 | AegeanLinux|DnD | python != as good as Ruby |
| 07:40.21 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Slack4020: me two |
| 07:40.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | I love Ruby |
| 07:40.32 | Ardonik | CURSE THE BAGGINS! We hates it! We hates it! |
| 07:40.33 | Jucato | !s two too |
| 07:40.34 | AegeanBot | <AegeanLinux|DnD> Slack4020: me too |
| 07:40.36 | Ardonik | We hates it FOREVER! |
| 07:40.39 | Ardonik | sorry. |
| 07:40.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | haha Ardonik |
| 07:40.57 | Jucato | rofl |
| 07:41.06 | Slack4020 | oh and Renze i have to thank you for telling me to un install arts ........everything works now :P |
| 07:41.20 | Renze | Slack4020: of course it does :D |
| 07:41.37 | Slack4020 | yea man |
| 07:41.45 | Slack4020 | they should take that arts and shove it |
| 07:41.57 | SAS_Spidey01 | ok the test |
| 07:42.00 | Renze | it's gone as of KDE4 |
| 07:42.02 | Jucato | Slack4020: they have, in KDE 4 |
| 07:42.06 | Jucato | curses! |
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| 07:42.16 | Slack4020 | they should take it out of kde 3 make it right |
| 07:42.28 | Slack4020 | well doesnt matter its all gone :P |
| 07:42.42 | Jucato | Slack4020: don't you think they wouldn't if they could? :) |
| 07:42.44 | Renze | Jucato: ncurses! |
| 07:42.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | ballocks |
| 07:42.53 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:43.03 | Slack4020 | well just dont install it :P |
| 07:43.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | the second seamonkey tried to load a flashcrap it crashed loud and nosy |
| 07:43.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | *Kapow segfault!* |
| 07:43.51 | Slack4020 | Kaffiene looks super cool :P |
| 07:43.57 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: everything is fine as long as the magic blue smoke doesn't escape |
| 07:44.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | haha |
| 07:45.20 | Slack4020 | im also about to talk to that guy at gtk-qt .........and ask him if i can take that project over |
| 07:45.39 | Slack4020 | cause a 100 percent perfected one is needed |
| 07:46.14 | Slack4020 | as i am expecting another 2-3 years of kde 3 :P |
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| 07:47.19 | Sho_ | Slack4020: How many patches have you submitted to that project at this point? (If you want to take it over I assume you have the pedigree to make that a sane proposal) |
| 07:47.56 | Jucato | KDE is based on meritocracy... |
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| 07:48.15 | Slack4020 | Sho_: i actually know C++ :P |
| 07:48.30 | Sho_ | Slack4020: "I know C++, give me your project"? |
| 07:48.31 | Jucato | you'll need more than that, imho |
| 07:48.32 | Slack4020 | and hes not doing much to it |
| 07:48.45 | Jucato | Meritocracy = "he who codes, decides" |
| 07:49.04 | Renze | Slack4020: start with submitting patches |
| 07:49.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | if we ever have a stable linuxflashplayer9 that works with the wrapper so I can use it in BSD browsers I might reinstall flash on win32 |
| 07:49.27 | Ace2016 | hi alli know c++ |
| 07:49.42 | Jucato | Slack4020: get familiar with the development process. with the developers, etc. |
| 07:49.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | I can generally read C++, but prefer C |
| 07:50.00 | Slack4020 | << prefers ocaml :P |
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| 07:50.31 | SAS_Spidey01 | C and Ruby the only languages I really like, I just wish I had more time for them |
| 07:50.45 | Slack4020 | only reason i dont like qt is becasue the way they made language inside of a language |
| 07:50.58 | Slack4020 | << dont get him started with the Ruby thing |
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| 07:51.22 | Jucato | speaking of which... |
| 07:51.35 | Shirakawasuna | SAS_Spidey01: stable flash 9 is quite likely. The wrapper support I wouldn't know of |
| 07:51.36 | Slack4020 | i was making a jabber client in ruby and i tried and tried and optimized and optimized .......but there was still a lag |
| 07:51.51 | Renze | but I like python |
| 07:51.57 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 07:52.02 | Slack4020 | jump off those ruby's and pythons |
| 07:52.04 | Shirakawasuna | anyone know of the 'best' method to do video-video messaging w/ linux? |
| 07:52.07 | Slack4020 | and get on the real stuff :) |
| 07:52.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | tbh, as long as they make flashplayer hard for newbies on PC-BSD, Mac OS, and GNU/Linux I'll always be PO /w them |
| 07:52.20 | Renze | Slack4020: I also do C/C++, and a bunch of other languages |
| 07:52.30 | Shirakawasuna | preferably using KDE and something that would use a protocol that someone w/ a windows machien could use |
| 07:52.32 | Jucato | he also does German :P |
| 07:52.33 | Sho_ | Jucato: I suggest starting with a decent volume on C++ (e.g. "Thinking in C++"), Trolltech's Qt3 or Qt4 book and the Qt/KDE tutorials on the respective developer websites |
| 07:52.39 | Slack4020 | c/c++/ocaml/pascal/lisp/erlang/ |
| 07:52.54 | SAS_Spidey01 | mm lisp |
| 07:52.54 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: german? |
| 07:52.56 | Sho_ | Jucato: and other than that, don't be afraid of asking questions |
| 07:53.07 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: no. I mean Renze |
| 07:53.15 | Jucato | Sho_: as long as you don't eat me :) |
| 07:53.17 | Renze | I know very little german |
| 07:53.20 | Shirakawasuna | Renze doesn't speak german :) |
| 07:53.25 | Jucato | ah I thought he did lol |
| 07:53.32 | Slack4020 | << loves qt look and feel .........but hates their langauge inside of a language |
| 07:53.34 | Renze | Ich habe ein sauerbraten! |
| 07:53.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: I only eat Gnome developers |
| 07:53.38 | Shirakawasuna | if he did he'd be propositioned to edit my paper |
| 07:53.48 | Slack4020 | and respect gtk's glib for that department |
| 07:54.00 | Jucato | Sho_: I have the GUI Programiming in C++ Using Qt 3 that's available for free :) |
| 07:54.07 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Right, because GObject is no good example of raping C ;) |
| 07:54.08 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: ich habe ein weisswurst |
| 07:54.17 | Jucato | Thinking in C++ is also available for download, right? |
| 07:54.18 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: which one is bigger? |
| 07:54.20 | Shirakawasuna | *eine weisswurst |
| 07:54.22 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Shirakawasuna: I agree |
| 07:54.56 | Slack4020 | Sho_: i really havent used enough to tell to much :P |
| 07:55.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | ooo KasBar |
| 07:55.09 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: ein Sauerbraten ist größer als eine Wurst, hoffe ich |
| 07:55.14 | Slack4020 | but i like GIO channels :P |
| 07:55.27 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: pardon? |
| 07:55.34 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Renze: lol |
| 07:55.41 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: KasBar is kool. too bad it's nearly dead in KDE 3... |
| 07:55.46 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I just want to be able to say "I have a big sausage" in german :) |
| 07:55.52 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 07:55.54 | Slack4020 | and i prefer GTK on windows |
| 07:55.57 | wishie | anyone here use snd-intel8x0 kernel module ? |
| 07:55.57 | Shirakawasuna | Ich habe eine grosse Wurst |
| 07:56.29 | Shirakawasuna | and if you really want to be gross, add this: es ist sehr gross und fuchbar hart |
| 07:56.37 | cuco | Sho_: i need to close konversation... know why...? |
| 07:56.57 | Sho_ | Speaking of meat, my beef with Ruby is primarily that the reference interpreter is dog-slow, I dislike the syntax, and it doesn't have proper Unicode support |
| 07:57.02 | SAS_Spidey01 | ooh baby where has this KasBar been all my life |
| 07:57.14 | Jucato | "Speaking of meat, my beef with Ruby..." lol! |
| 07:57.19 | Renze | SAS_Spidey01: right there in KDE for a looooong time |
| 07:57.22 | cuco | Sho_: because i got from my daily "etch updates" konversation 1.0.1 :) |
| 07:57.27 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: nearly 6-feet under... |
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| 07:57.33 | Sho_ | cuco: cool :) |
| 07:57.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol Jucato |
| 07:57.51 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: the good news is that might be revived in KDE 4... |
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| 07:58.04 | Jucato | that all depends now on aseigo, I guess... |
| 07:58.23 | Slack4020 | this kaffiene player is not to bad at alll |
| 07:58.32 | Slack4020 | what is this Smoke thing ? |
| 07:58.36 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: "furchtbar" btw ;) |
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| 07:58.40 | Sho_ | Slack4020: A bindings generator |
| 07:58.45 | Sho_ | cuco: I annoyed the Debian guys heavily to make that happen in time for Etch ;) |
| 07:58.58 | Slack4020 | so people use it to make bindings for like python etc ? |
| 07:59.03 | cuco | Sho_: so you are the reason why they unfreezaed etch...? |
| 07:59.12 | Jucato | Sho_: yay for you! :) |
| 07:59.24 | Sho_ | Slack4020: No, I believe PyQt and PyKDE are generated with a custom solution ... Smoke is used for the Ruby bindings though, I think |
| 07:59.30 | Renze | Sho_: you made something happen in debian?!? you're a miracle worker! :D |
| 07:59.34 | Sho_ | cuco: hehe, perhaps :) |
| 07:59.34 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: typing complete words is for losers |
| 07:59.38 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: typos is where it's at |
| 07:59.53 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: I can certaily see how typos might be more creative ;) |
| 08:00.10 | Shirakawasuna | i hab' ein wurstl! |
| 08:00.18 | Slack4020 | what od you mean by generator ? |
| 08:00.29 | Slack4020 | what exactly does it do to make things easier ? |
| 08:01.07 | Sho_ | Slack4020: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/smoke/index.html |
| 08:01.35 | Shirakawasuna | anyone know of a good/standard video conferencing kind of thing for KDE/linux FOSS? |
| 08:02.05 | Ace2016 | What package do i need for kde to be able to install themes? in kubuntu |
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| 08:02.29 | Jucato | Ace2016: what kind of themes? |
| 08:02.33 | Shirakawasuna | Ace2016: installing things is more of a #kubuntu/ubuntu question |
| 08:02.34 | Ace2016 | style |
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| 08:02.51 | Shirakawasuna | ah, you mean install actual themes? |
| 08:02.54 | Shirakawasuna | not the theme manager? |
| 08:02.55 | Jucato | Ace2016: if it comes in a .deb format, you'd have to install it. |
| 08:03.05 | Ace2016 | i know how to install debs |
| 08:03.07 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: he means widget Styles, I guess |
| 08:03.08 | Ace2016 | i mean for compiling |
| 08:03.09 | Renze | styles generally need to be compiled, unless you can find a package for your distro |
| 08:03.17 | Jucato | Ace2016: .tar.gz? |
| 08:03.22 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 08:03.34 | Ace2016 | so what deps does it need? |
| 08:03.36 | Renze | Ace2016: then you need a working build tool chain |
| 08:03.38 | Sho_ | Ace2016: It's just like compiling and installing an application, essentially |
| 08:03.40 | Shirakawasuna | Ace2016: the usual ./configure && make && make install |
| 08:03.42 | Sho_ | Ace2016: Only Qt and kdelibs |
| 08:03.43 | Shirakawasuna | Ace2016: read the readme |
| 08:03.49 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 08:04.05 | Jucato | Ace2016: for one, you need "build-essential" installed |
| 08:04.13 | Jucato | Ace2016: I think you also need kde-devel as well |
| 08:04.39 | Jucato | it's been a long time since I compiled anything from KDE-Look... |
| 08:05.21 | Schalken | how can i clear KGet's log window? |
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| 08:06.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | :@ I can't have a transparent lower panel and a gray upper panel |
| 08:06.56 | Ace2016 | Jucato: Why? don't you install many themes? |
| 08:06.57 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: unfortunately, you can't |
| 08:07.03 | Jucato | Ace2016: not since Dapper. |
| 08:07.21 | Jucato | I've grown to Love Plastik and Polyester |
| 08:07.39 | Jucato | I've not used deKorator in a long time. |
| 08:07.57 | Jucato | widget Styles and window decoration engines are the only things you need to compile. so there :) |
| 08:08.10 | Sho_ | I have to try QtCurve some time ... it looks pretty polished |
| 08:08.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | Mmm, I wonder what it'd be like to have left and right panels and no upper/lower setup |
| 08:08.57 | Sho_ | SAS_Spidey01: Try and find out ;) |
| 08:08.58 | SAS_Spidey01 | more reading space that way /w a widescreen |
| 08:09.09 | Slack4020 | the codecs mplayer provides |
| 08:09.14 | Slack4020 | can i use those for xine as welll ? |
| 08:09.17 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: I did that before |
| 08:09.22 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Some, yes |
| 08:09.33 | SAS_Spidey01 | awkward but interesting ! |
| 08:09.37 | Slack4020 | mpeg all those etc ? |
| 08:09.47 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: I actually find it more intuitive... |
| 08:09.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | yes it is |
| 08:09.58 | Sho_ | Slack4020: MPEG is usually provided by their private copies of ffmpeg |
| 08:10.13 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: http://jucato.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/2/59?xurl=%2Fphotos%2Fphoto%2F2%2F59 |
| 08:10.14 | Slack4020 | wmv :P |
| 08:10.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've just been to conditioned by windows iron forced conformance to long |
| 08:10.19 | Sho_ | Slack4020: But MPlayer and Xine seem to have similar mechanism to load Windows binary DirectShow filter DLLs |
| 08:10.36 | Slack4020 | what package of mplayer do you use ? |
| 08:10.41 | Slack4020 | windows essentail ? |
| 08:10.47 | Jucato | look, there's Konvi in my system tray :P |
| 08:11.13 | Jucato | heh |
| 08:11.17 | Sho_ | Slack4020: I use Gentoo Linux, which has a "win32codecs" package installing these codecs in a common location where both MPlayer and Xine find them |
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| 08:11.25 | Slack4020 | i seee |
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| 08:11.33 | Slack4020 | Konvi ? |
| 08:11.38 | Jucato | Konversation |
| 08:11.46 | Slack4020 | does it have a system tray ? |
| 08:11.48 | Sho_ | A user-friendly KDE IRC client |
| 08:11.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | I could prolly cut the taskbar out of my main panel & use kasbar on auto-hide at the bottom |
| 08:11.49 | Sho_ | Yes |
| 08:11.53 | Slack4020 | wtf |
| 08:11.55 | Slack4020 | it does |
| 08:11.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | or learn to actually alt-tab |
| 08:12.00 | Jucato | a *very* user friendly client :P |
| 08:12.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | you can turn on the systray option |
| 08:12.15 | lng_ | hi! why can't i mount cdrom under KDE when clicking on its icon? i have: The desktop entry file /home/lng/Desktop/CD-ROM Device is of type FSDevice but has no Dev=... entry. |
| 08:12.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | very configurable client |
| 08:12.42 | Slack4020 | and when someone uses my name or w/e ot someone nicks me will it display it ? |
| 08:12.44 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: that's why I was wondering if Kicker will have a feature to show only icons of opened windows... |
| 08:12.52 | Sho_ | Slack4020: yes |
| 08:12.55 | Jucato | see how awkward Kicker's taskbar is when it's vertical? |
| 08:12.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | oooo baby |
| 08:13.01 | Slack4020 | << is kinda excited :P |
| 08:13.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | yes, thats one reason I've been stand off'ish of doing it |
| 08:13.33 | Jucato | hehe |
| 08:13.40 | Jucato | I have Alt+Tab mapped to Kompose |
| 08:13.48 | Jucato | and Win+Tab to 3D Desktop |
| 08:13.57 | Slack4020 | i like :P |
| 08:14.12 | Slack4020 | i really like kde more then i did now :P |
| 08:14.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | mapped to kompose, that rocks |
| 08:14.30 | Sho_ | Slack4020: A Slackware 10.2 package of Konversation 1.0 is available here: http://cyber-tec.org/files/database/slackpkg/net-irc/konversation-1.0-i686-1doc.tgz |
| 08:14.39 | Jucato | btw, I was wondering why Kicker couldn't rotate the taskbar entries, like in GNOME... |
| 08:14.50 | Slack4020 | Sho_: i am using Konversation atm |
| 08:14.52 | Slack4020 | :P |
| 08:15.00 | Slack4020 | i just ssint know it had that feture |
| 08:15.03 | Slack4020 | feature |
| 08:15.12 | Sho_ | Slack4020: ah, ok |
| 08:15.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | I've sooo gotta find a way to get kde /w cygwin working |
| 08:15.32 | Slack4020 | Sho_: i need to get off root also |
| 08:15.35 | Slack4020 | buuut |
| 08:15.40 | Jucato | Slack4020: what version of Konversation? version 1.0 allows you to have a left tree view of tabs |
| 08:15.43 | Slack4020 | its a modified root so its not quite that bad |
| 08:15.47 | Sho_ | Jucato: He's got 1.0 |
| 08:15.59 | Jucato | Sho_: heh. you CTCP? :P |
| 08:16.04 | Sho_ | yup |
| 08:16.08 | Jucato | lol |
| 08:16.27 | Sho_ | ooo, a new 0.7 of Dolphin |
| 08:16.56 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: it's scary-masked for me - what's it like? |
| 08:16.58 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: what for? the last stable KDE version supported by the KDE/Cygwin project is KDE 3.4 afaik. and Qt4 (hence some parts of KDE 4, notably kdelibs) will be portable to Windows |
| 08:17.06 | Shirakawasuna | so no one here knows of a good video2video client for kde/linux? |
| 08:17.06 | Slack4020 | i wish kaffiene had better looking notificationss |
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| 08:17.18 | Shirakawasuna | I wish xine-lib would release 1.1.3 already |
| 08:17.21 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: I like it ... it's very clean and fast |
| 08:17.33 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: better than konqueror? |
| 08:17.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | if I get used to this on kde I'm going to hack apart my windows system and prolly ubuntu as well |
| 08:17.59 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: heh... don't wanna wait for KDE 4 then? |
| 08:18.28 | faked | hi, I´m using kde3.5.5. My problem is, ervery time I start kde, artsd get started, how can I permit artsd get startet? |
| 08:18.29 | Shirakawasuna | *4 |
| 08:18.31 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: might you be interested in porting Konvi to win32? lol |
| 08:18.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | hard to, I prefer gtk+ but KDE "is teh win" to borrow a friends lingo |
| 08:18.37 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Well, it has a lot less features than Konqueror, but its cleanness makes me prefer it (and it basically has the subset of Konq features I actually use). I certainly hope that KDE4's Konqueror will take a cue or two from Dolphin when it's time to clean it up. |
| 08:18.45 | Shirakawasuna | faked: that doesn't make sense - does arts start or not? |
| 08:18.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | Jucato, I sure would be if I was a good programmer |
| 08:19.11 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: agreed, konqueror is a bit too busy, imo - and the toolbars drive me crazy |
| 08:19.24 | faked | Shirakawasuna, it starts, but I dont want arts get started, so what to do? |
| 08:19.41 | Jucato | well, hopefully the KDE 4 HIG working group would be able to work on that |
| 08:19.41 | Slack4020 | do any of you guys use konqueror as your intenet browser ? |
| 08:19.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | some one filed a bug-report about konqueror being to cluttered |
| 08:19.46 | Shirakawasuna | faked: open up kcontrol > sound and multimedia > sound system |
| 08:19.46 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Dolphin is doing a lot better on the toolbar thing ... but note that Dolphin is a dedicated file manager, no file manager/web browser/document viewer do-it-all |
| 08:19.53 | Jucato | Slack4020: I do, 95% of the time |
| 08:19.53 | Q-collective | Sho_: dolphin? |
| 08:19.57 | Shirakawasuna | faked: UNcheck 'enable sound system' |
| 08:20.10 | Jucato | Q-collective: http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/ |
| 08:20.12 | Sho_ | Q-collective: A clean file manager reimplementation for KDE: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40491 |
| 08:20.13 | Slack4020 | my konq always crashes on sf.net |
| 08:20.40 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: I wouldn't mind the viewer-do-it-all thing if it just transitioned between the different parts better |
| 08:20.44 | Sho_ | Dolphin screenshots: http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/screenshots.html |
| 08:20.44 | Jucato | it's a file manager. period. just like Krusader is a two-pane file manager. period :) |
| 08:20.53 | faked | Shirakawasuna: ahh, so simple?? :) thank you very much |
| 08:21.01 | Shirakawasuna | np |
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| 08:21.18 | Shirakawasuna | ooh, quite nice |
| 08:21.23 | Q-collective | hmm, interesting. |
| 08:21.36 | Q-collective | too bad I'm too used to konq nowadays |
| 08:21.37 | Q-collective | :p |
| 08:21.43 | Sho_ | One can click the little "Play" button to toggle between breadcrumps and an address input field |
| 08:21.46 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: last I heard (from radio://kde) they're revamping XMLGUI so that UI transitions would be better. that's just afaik |
| 08:22.06 | Shirakawasuna | radio://kde? |
| 08:22.14 | Sho_ | It's fast and clean, it does details and thumbs and simple splits, all I need personally |
| 08:22.25 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: some konqcasts (podcasts) aseigo did a few months back |
| 08:22.53 | Jucato | Sho_: but since it's a KDE app, what's to stop it from using other KParts (embedded viewers?) |
| 08:22.58 | Sho_ | A middle-ground between Konqueror's power and Dolphins polish and attention to detail would be the ultimate file manager. Here's hoping for KDE 4. :) |
| 08:23.35 | Q-collective | I never saw a problem in konq's UI personally |
| 08:23.37 | Jucato | which reminds me, there was been very little buzz about Konqi developments for KDE 4 |
| 08:23.38 | Q-collective | :> |
| 08:23.51 | benJIman | Konqueror's UI is great just the defaults suck. |
| 08:24.06 | Jucato | whose defaults? |
| 08:24.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5127/snapshot1bl9.jpg |
| 08:24.29 | Jucato | btw, is there really a sort of *default* KDE look/setting? |
| 08:24.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: That's because Konq hasn't really been touched so far |
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| 08:24.42 | Jucato | Sho_: oh that's very very sad |
| 08:24.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: Certainly ... and Kubuntu deviates heavily from it btw |
| 08:25.03 | Sho_ | Jucato: Kubuntu completely restructures Konqueror's menus for example, and even omits the "Go" menu completely |
| 08:25.06 | novas0x2a | is there a site somewhere that walks through the kde start process? (like, order of processes, proper messages passed between them, etc?) |
| 08:25.32 | Jucato | Sho_: yes. that's one. but MEPIS and PCLOS also have different default looks... (not to mention icon themes) |
| 08:25.40 | AegeanBot | New post from http://aegeanlinux.be/tim/rss/kdeapps.pl: kavenc (formerly kvidenc) 0.2 (Service Menu) <http://www.KDE-Apps.org/content/show.php?content=45942> | BullHAmachi 0.3 (File Sharing) <http://www.KDE-Apps.org/content/show.php?content=47595> | BasKet Note Pads 0.6.0 (Other Utility) <http://www.KDE-Apps.org/content/show.php?content=10020> | Hibernate/Suspend Button for KDE Shutdown Dialog 3.5.5a (KDE Improvement) <http://www.KDE-Apps.org/content/sho |
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| 08:25.58 | benJIman | Jucato: kubuntu modifies menus and things too. |
| 08:25.59 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: Please switch that off |
| 08:26.08 | Q-collective | http://www.q-collective.org/screenshots/konqueror-3.5.5.png <-- that UI doesn't look awfull |
| 08:26.11 | Q-collective | :> |
| 08:26.12 | benJIman | This channel is becoming full of bots. |
| 08:26.16 | Jucato | benJIman: yes I know that Kubuntu modifies a lot (you ain't see nothing yet) :) |
| 08:26.17 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Sho_: kk ^_^ |
| 08:26.19 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 08:26.19 | benJIman | Why can't we just have one. |
| 08:26.43 | benJIman | Jucato: kubuntu seem to arbitarily modify things, without user testing though, and concequently have done some really braindead things. |
| 08:26.51 | Shirakawasuna | does anyone know the way to turn off konqueror's firefox-like search bar |
| 08:26.53 | Shirakawasuna | ? |
| 08:26.55 | Jucato | benJIman: we do have user testing :P |
| 08:27.06 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: Settings > Configure Plugins |
| 08:27.08 | Shirakawasuna | I turned it on a long time ago and forgot how :/ |
| 08:27.13 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: Settings -> Configure Extensions |
| 08:27.19 | Jucato | benJIman: just that few users want to help test |
| 08:28.00 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Note that the Google search bar plugin only shows in the dialog Renze just pointed out when the KHTML kpart is loaded (another good example of Konqueror's UI suckage) |
| 08:28.15 | Jucato | benJIman: besides, some of the new changes that Kubuntu will have in Edgy came from KDE devs this time :P |
| 08:28.19 | Shirakawasuna | ah, much better |
| 08:28.33 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: sorry I should have said "extensions"... |
| 08:28.35 | Jucato | ncurses Renze :) |
| 08:28.45 | Renze | slang Jucato |
| 08:28.46 | Shirakawasuna | I just noticed that it was there and that I never used it |
| 08:28.47 | Shirakawasuna | ever |
| 08:28.56 | Q-collective | yeah |
| 08:29.00 | Q-collective | gg ftw |
| 08:29.08 | Jucato | web shortcuts!! :) |
| 08:29.37 | lng_ | what tool mounts devs under kde? |
| 08:29.50 | Shirakawasuna | indeed |
| 08:29.54 | Q-collective | Sho_: isn't khtml loaded by default? :> |
| 08:29.54 | Shirakawasuna | web shorcuts are fantastic |
| 08:29.59 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lng_: pmount |
| 08:30.09 | Shirakawasuna | mostly because they're so easy to create |
| 08:30.12 | Jucato | now, if we could only bind a shortcut key to the Filter search field... |
| 08:30.23 | Shirakawasuna | I use a leo (german dictionary) and youtube one all the time |
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| 08:30.36 | Sho_ | Q-collective: no |
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| 08:31.05 | Q-collective | Sho_: well, that's a bit silly |
| 08:31.09 | Jucato | ?? |
| 08:31.50 | Sho_ | Q-collective: The kpart merging creates a lot of problems for Konqueror's UI - the extension dialog is unusable, the toolbar configuration is a mess, etc. - hopefully LiveUI will facilitate fixing a lot of that |
| 08:32.06 | visik7 | hi |
| 08:32.08 | Q-collective | my only real problem with konq is that it crashes way too much for my liking |
| 08:32.12 | Jucato | woot for LiveUI :) |
| 08:32.16 | visik7 | how can I remove border of a window via dcop ? |
| 08:32.31 | Jucato | Sho_: LiveUI will replace XMLGUI right? |
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| 08:32.51 | Sho_ | Jucato: yes |
| 08:32.57 | Jucato | nice... |
| 08:33.26 | lng_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: The desktop entry file /home/lng/Desktop/CD-ROM Device is of type FSDevice but has no Dev=... entry. what does it mean? |
| 08:33.39 | Jucato | ugh I hate having to start studying programming/developing at this point of time... everything's "in-between" |
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| 08:34.19 | Q-collective | liveUI? |
| 08:34.22 | Jucato | last I heard of LiveUI was in aseigo's Konqcast |
| 08:34.45 | Q-collective | http://wiki.kde.org/KDE+4+GUI+framework |
| 08:34.46 | Q-collective | hmm |
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| 08:35.51 | Jucato | last modified 16 July 2006... |
| 08:36.18 | Q-collective | yeah |
| 08:36.34 | Jucato | doesn't sound so... Live... :P |
| 08:36.45 | Renze | UndeadUI |
| 08:36.45 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 08:36.49 | Jucato | lol |
| 08:37.20 | Sho_ | well the wiki page is not necessarily indicative of anything (seriously, the wiki software is so crappy, who wants to use it :) |
| 08:37.36 | Sho_ | but there's relatively little movement in the branch, either |
| 08:38.01 | Jucato | kde wiki is... um... :) |
| 08:38.54 | Q-collective | yeah, who on Earth set that up? |
| 08:39.18 | Jucato | Sho_: you're call ^^^^^^ |
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| 08:39.27 | Renze | Ace2016: I hope not |
| 08:39.33 | Jucato | hi el :) |
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| 08:39.36 | Ace2016 | Why not? |
| 08:39.44 | Renze | Ace2016: pixmap engines are slow and crappy |
| 08:40.09 | Ace2016 | Renze: but they're so easy to make themes for, and i want to make themes |
| 08:40.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think arts is burning cpu cycles |
| 08:40.15 | el | moin Jucato :) |
| 08:40.18 | Renze | Ace2016: so learn to code ;) |
| 08:41.19 | Jucato | hm... |
| 08:41.24 | Sho_ | Ace2016: The requirements a modern style engine needs to fulfill are too complex for a pixmap abstraction model to be viable |
| 08:41.25 | Ace2016 | Renze: Ok if we can't have that can we have a gui theme designer then? something like kdevelop but for main themes for kde, which includes organising icon themes, window decorations, widget styles, kdm themes, so that its easier to make themes |
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| 08:41.35 | Renze | Ace2016: make one ;) |
| 08:41.44 | Ace2016 | I can't code |
| 08:41.58 | Jucato | Renze's answers are concise, precise, ... and blunt :) |
| 08:42.10 | Renze | Jucato: just like me ;) |
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| 08:42.47 | Jucato | Ace2016: I'm sure that those who made the Styles available in KDE-Look aren't all full time programmers too. Maybe some of them started to learn too. |
| 08:42.57 | Jucato | I'm sure I will be trying that out... |
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| 08:43.18 | Renze | CrazyStrump: no |
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| 08:43.36 | CrazyStrump | ups |
| 08:43.43 | Jucato | actually, the only hindrance you'll probably face in trying to learn these stuff is the amount of *up-to-date* documentation or guides... |
| 08:43.44 | visik7 | how can I remove border of a window via dcop ? |
| 08:43.47 | intrade | i am there thanks |
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| 08:45.21 | Shirakawasuna | so is cups always supposed to print things fat/ugly-ish? |
| 08:45.31 | Shirakawasuna | it's not all that bad, but it's not all that good either |
| 08:46.58 | novas0x2a | under what circumstances would an app show up as registered with dcop, but be inaccessible? |
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| 08:47.40 | Sho_ | when it has a bug, for example |
| 08:48.17 | novas0x2a | because i'm still having that problem where everything registers and then isn't accessible :/ |
| 08:48.35 | Ace2016 | Jucato: But it would be soooo much faster if the learning curve was well, just flat and not so curvy |
| 08:48.49 | Jucato | heh |
| 08:49.10 | Renze | the learning curve separates the geeks from the wannabes :D |
| 08:49.29 | Jucato | and I'm still wandering over the wannabe valley |
| 08:49.52 | Jucato | looking up to the geek mountain where he sees Sho_ is sitting... |
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| 08:51.02 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Ace2016: I agree on your pixmap style :-) |
| 08:51.20 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: agreement doesn't make it feasible :P |
| 08:51.33 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Renze: h/o |
| 08:51.39 | AegeanLinux|DnD | There should be such thing existing, however, there is already a vary nice (IMHO) style called 'QtCurve' |
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| 08:51.52 | Renze | it's not a pixmap style |
| 08:51.52 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Ace2016: install that and you will be a happy chappy ^_^ |
| 08:51.53 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: QtCurve is not a pixmap theme |
| 08:51.57 | Sho_ | *style |
| 08:52.04 | Jucato | heh |
| 08:52.04 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I know that, but it is the bomb anyways |
| 08:52.05 | Ace2016 | I am using qtcurve |
| 08:52.12 | Ace2016 | but it'd be nice to have some of my own themes |
| 08:52.16 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Ace2016: well well well, there you go ^_^ |
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| 08:52.31 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Ace2016: I heard that someone was making a style that could read msstyles |
| 08:52.33 | Jucato | well maybe someone would create a widget style that can be themed using pixmaps, ala dekorator |
| 08:52.37 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ( aka Windows Themes ) |
| 08:52.48 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I just have to dig where I heard that :-/ |
| 08:52.49 | benJIman | It would be slow. |
| 08:52.53 | benJIman | It would be uncustomizable. |
| 08:52.53 | Ace2016 | I still like the idea of a theme designer, then if you don't like a part of a theme you can change it |
| 08:53.08 | benJIman | Ace2016: you already can with most theme engines, with supplied settings. |
| 08:53.08 | Ace2016 | without needing to ask the person that made it to change it |
| 08:53.12 | Jucato | Ace2016: maybe a widget style designer |
| 08:53.13 | benJIman | Ace2016: if they were pixmap themes you couldn't |
| 08:53.16 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Ace2016: but it would not then need to use pixmaps |
| 08:53.33 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: that is what he is thinking I think |
| 08:53.46 | Ace2016 | exactly i just want some easy way to make themes |
| 08:53.47 | Ace2016 | thats all |
| 08:53.58 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: his original thought was a pixmap theme. |
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| 08:54.01 | Jucato | this "designer" came later :) |
| 08:54.02 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: I read my buffer ^_^ |
| 08:54.12 | benJIman | Ace2016: It's not really practical at the moment. |
| 08:54.24 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 08:54.34 | benJIman | Because of the aforementioned problems with pixmap themes. |
| 08:54.36 | Ace2016 | isn't kde4's kwin still at devel stage? |
| 08:54.44 | Jucato | Ace2016: who knows. if you really want it to happen, and if you really really want it to happen, you'd make it happen :) |
| 08:54.48 | Ace2016 | doesn't have to be pixmap based? |
| 08:54.55 | Renze | kwin has nothing to do with styles |
| 08:55.06 | Jucato | benJIman: maybe just a sort of widget style designer? |
| 08:55.09 | benJIman | Ace2016: and how would you make a visual designer to write code for themes. |
| 08:55.10 | Ace2016 | can't it use gradients? |
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| 08:55.16 | Ace2016 | oh i know |
| 08:55.30 | Sho_ | Ace2016: Hold on, are you talking about window decorations or widget styles? |
| 08:55.31 | benJIman | Jucato: It's next to impossible. |
| 08:55.33 | Ace2016 | how about you get a box in front of you when you open that app, thats the place the app will be in |
| 08:55.41 | Jucato | Sho_: widget styles |
| 08:55.49 | Sho_ | Jucato: Because he mentioned kwin |
| 08:55.53 | Ace2016 | Sho_: both |
| 08:55.59 | Jucato | er... |
| 08:56.03 | rohan | when i insert a usb pen drive, and open system:/media i get an option to unmount and safely remove the pen drive. but clicking on safely remove does nothing |
| 08:56.05 | Sho_ | Ace2016: You can make pixmap window decorations |
| 08:56.07 | rohan | whats the intended action ? |
| 08:56.08 | Jucato | Ace2016: you already have dekorator for window decorations... |
| 08:56.17 | Jucato | and IceWM too |
| 08:56.23 | Sho_ | Ace2016: KDE ships a window decoration engine that can load IceWM pixmap decorations, and another popular one is Dekorator |
| 08:56.26 | benJIman | The pixmap window decorations are /sooo/ slow though. |
| 08:56.31 | Renze | rohan: it syncs the filesystem and unmounts |
| 08:56.42 | Sho_ | Ace2016: As for widget styles, again, a pixmap abstraction model is just not viable due to the complex requirements a style engine needs to fulfill |
| 08:56.43 | benJIman | decorator at least. |
| 08:56.45 | Jucato | which is a disadvantage of pixmap based themes, iirc |
| 08:57.02 | Ace2016 | ok here is another idea |
| 08:57.17 | Jucato | ok you first, then my question later... |
| 08:57.30 | AegeanLinux|DnD | deKorator was never slow for me when I used it :/ |
| 08:57.37 | rohan | Renze: well, even after clicking on it, the green arrow is still there .. meaning it is still mounted, right ? |
| 08:57.39 | Sho_ | Ace2016: Source code is the easiest tool there is to make style engines that can fulfill these requirements |
| 08:57.49 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Same speed as now with a native window decoration. |
| 08:58.09 | Renze | rohan: yes, unless the icon isn't being updated for some reason... 'cat /proc/mounts' to make sure |
| 08:58.15 | Sho_ | Window decorations aren't exactly performance-critical or complex, pixmaps are fine for that |
| 08:58.21 | rohan | Renze: ok, i'll try right now |
| 08:58.22 | benJIman | Sho_: they're really not. |
| 08:58.29 | Sho_ | (of course Dekorator can still implement it badly) |
| 08:58.35 | Jucato | ok, since Ace2016 isn't asking yet. I'll ask away... |
| 08:58.43 | benJIman | Sho_: redrawing dekorator speed is really not goodenough. |
| 08:58.53 | rohan | Renze: nah, its still mounted after clicking on that option too |
| 08:58.56 | Sho_ | benJIman: Hmhm, I haven't tried it yet |
| 08:59.04 | rohan | does "Safely remove" require any external app ? |
| 08:59.09 | Jucato | is there any way at all, or any app, that would help you visually create a widget style, then later convert it to source code perhaps? |
| 08:59.10 | Renze | rohan: I could not tell you why |
| 08:59.21 | benJIman | also because they're pixmap themes you can't change the colours, change the button order etc Sho_ |
| 08:59.21 | rohan | does "Safely remove" require any external app ? |
| 08:59.25 | Renze | rohan: pmount, but if it's mounting you already have it |
| 08:59.26 | Ace2016 | rohan: had device manager |
| 08:59.29 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: yes, one that you write ^_^ |
| 08:59.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: You could possibly write such an app, but using it would be more complex than to learn programming and write it yourself |
| 08:59.36 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: lol |
| 08:59.40 | rohan | yes, i have pmount and pmount-hal |
| 08:59.46 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: there are pixmap engines for GTK2 IIRC |
| 08:59.46 | rohan | strange then .. |
| 08:59.53 | Renze | rohan: and pumount, I presume |
| 09:00.01 | Jucato | heheh don't even begin with GTK... :P |
| 09:00.02 | rohan | yes |
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| 09:00.05 | rohan | that too |
| 09:00.11 | Renze | rohan: then it is a mystery to me |
| 09:00.18 | Sho_ | benJIman: Well, that depends on the model ... with blending and tinting you could move buttons, color it, etc. |
| 09:00.43 | rohan | me too :( |
| 09:00.44 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: I know, I was just saying ^_^ |
| 09:00.45 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: All useful style engines for GTK2 are written in source code (Clearlooks, Industrial, ..) |
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| 09:01.06 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: I'm not even sure if the pixmap engine is still being maintained for GTK2, I think that was back in the GTK 1.x times |
| 09:01.54 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Oh, That might be the case Sho_, the only time I have really had a style was back in the "Pre I had QtCurve Style ^_^" |
| 09:02.08 | Slack4020 | pixmap is gone |
| 09:02.14 | Jucato | Sho_: you're right. I was just wondering if there's an app like that out there, or if someone would want to make an app like that, mostly to help non-coders :P |
| 09:02.41 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: would you like to make an app like that? |
| 09:02.42 | benJIman | Jucato: do you realise how difficult what you're suggesting is? |
| 09:02.55 | Jucato | benJIman: would I be asking if I knew? :) |
| 09:03.09 | Jucato | AegeanLinux|DnD: maybe someday... KDE 5... :) |
| 09:03.24 | Sho_ | Jucato: It's just, in order for a pixmap style to be flexible enough to fulfill the requirements a style engine needs to fulfil, it would need to be cut up into an ungodly amount of pixmaps that need to conform to certain specifications each, making creating the thing extremely complex |
| 09:03.33 | benJIman | Jucato: It's completely impractical. |
| 09:03.44 | Jucato | er.. no I'm not talking about pixmap based stuff |
| 09:04.16 | Jucato | I'm just thinking of a sort of visual designer that would convert the style to source code later... but nvm me... |
| 09:04.17 | Jucato | :) |
| 09:04.17 | SAS_Spidey01 | ok 0500 time for me to hit the hay, good nite everyone |
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| 09:04.32 | Jucato | it was just a question, and probably a silly one at that... |
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| 09:04.42 | Sho_ | Jucato: yeah but using that app to create style would be more complex than just writing it, making it unpractical ;) |
| 09:04.47 | Sho_ | +a |
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| 09:05.16 | Jucato | yeah... |
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| 09:05.23 | Jucato | oh well, back to the thinking chair |
| 09:05.29 | Slack4020 | it would be cool if gaim had a kaim port :P |
| 09:05.34 | Jucato | ew.. |
| 09:05.43 | Sho_ | Jucato: Basically, the easiest tool humanity has come up so far to do something like that is programming ;) |
| 09:05.44 | Jucato | the GNOME boys would rise up in arms... |
| 09:05.45 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Slack4020: go make it then ^_^ |
| 09:06.00 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Jucato: probs |
| 09:06.08 | Slack4020 | i would love too but i would prolly have to write a binding |
| 09:06.10 | Sho_ | Slack4020: What would a "Kaim" offer over KDE's own Kopete? |
| 09:06.19 | Slack4020 | Sho_: oh please |
| 09:06.25 | Slack4020 | i love kde and everything in it |
| 09:06.26 | Jucato | ... |
| 09:06.28 | Slack4020 | but kopete hell no |
| 09:06.36 | benJIman | Slack4020: what don't you like about kopete? |
| 09:06.37 | Jucato | but Kopete is *in* it... |
| 09:06.53 | Slack4020 | its just a bad ui for a im client no aim direct connection |
| 09:06.59 | Slack4020 | buddy avatars hardly work |
| 09:07.05 | Jucato | wouldn't you rather use your talents to help improve a part of something you claim to love? |
| 09:07.12 | benJIman | Slack4020: Perhaps fixing the UI would work better than starting something completely new. |
| 09:07.25 | Slack4020 | well porting isnt really new :P |
| 09:07.27 | Sho_ | I don't use AIM, buddy avatars annoy me (seem to work fine with Jabber, though), and the UI, to me, is preferrable to Gaim's |
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| 09:07.31 | benJIman | Slack4020: well hardly anyone uses AIM, for other protocols it's great. |
| 09:07.50 | Slack4020 | benJIman: in usa 90 percent use aim |
| 09:08.03 | benJIman | Slack4020: but dwarfed by users of other protocols in the rest of the world. |
| 09:08.09 | Jucato | avatars work fine for me in Yahoo, MSN, and G-Talk (Jabber) |
| 09:08.25 | Slack4020 | i just love gaims UI :P |
| 09:08.26 | Ace2016 | when you start the app you're presented at the top left there is a preview of what it'll look like if compiled now, in front of you will be theme components like the scroll bar parts and stuff, e.g there will be a rectangular box, inside it will be the scroll bar, and you right click, set the style > e.g windows style 2 buttons either side, and the box will now split into 3 bits with squares at either end with a long rectangular bit in |
| 09:08.27 | Ace2016 | the end, now you right click > change width, now you have a fatter or thinner scroll bar, right click > ghost, now you get a very light watermark of the default scroll bar theme grafted onto the skelton you made, now you edit the heights of each of the bits, and then you use the tools (i'm guessing you could get code directly from krita for this) like gradients and stuff in the boxes to make your theme, and the theme could be made from |
| 09:08.27 | Ace2016 | this, Kidesigner (name i came up with) could then use the gradient info to make the theme, and the theme would not be source based, it will jack into an exsisting widget style which uses it. How about that? |
| 09:08.30 | Ace2016 | eeek |
| 09:08.31 | Slack4020 | the way they made the away thing and all |
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| 09:08.36 | Jucato | Ace2016: ??? |
| 09:08.40 | Ace2016 | thats my idea |
| 09:09.00 | benJIman | Slack4020: what away thing? |
| 09:09.06 | Jucato | Slack4020: anyway, it's your call. your time, your resources... but be prepared for the questions/interrogation... |
| 09:09.10 | Slack4020 | in gaim 2.0 etc |
| 09:09.14 | benJIman | Kopete has a new away UI in 0.12 |
| 09:09.31 | Sho_ | Ace2016: There already are highly configurable widget styles - Lipstik, Baghira (eww), etc. |
| 09:09.33 | Slack4020 | benJIman: i just never liked kopete man |
| 09:09.39 | Slack4020 | i am not the only one either :P |
| 09:09.43 | Jucato | Plastik too |
| 09:09.49 | Renze | QtCurve is very configurable |
| 09:09.51 | benJIman | Slack4020: It would be more productive to concentrate on improving kopete. |
| 09:10.05 | Jucato | yeah but it's his call anyway. his choice. |
| 09:10.07 | Slack4020 | not when its already beyond improvements |
| 09:10.11 | Ace2016 | Sho_: yea but it'll never match up to a theme designer which is made for the specific task of making a theme |
| 09:10.13 | Jucato | er.. |
| 09:10.14 | Renze | Slack4020: I like kopete, except for the lack of /ignore in the irc part |
| 09:10.17 | benJIman | Slack4020: that's nonsense. |
| 09:10.55 | Jucato | how can it be *beyond* improvment? |
| 09:10.55 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 09:10.56 | Renze | Slack4020: the world does not revolve around your opinion |
| 09:10.56 | Jucato | that's just... um... |
| 09:10.56 | Slack4020 | it just never felt stable |
| 09:10.56 | hkBst | does ktorrent do anything with MAC addresses? |
| 09:10.56 | lunitik | Slack4020: whats so wrong about Kopete? and as for the status widget... imo, its size makes the interface look ugly... |
| 09:10.56 | Sho_ | Ace2016: I don't believe a style designer to be technologically viable, but go out and prove me wrong ;) |
| 09:10.57 | Jucato | Slack4020: the fact that it's open source means that it will never be "beyond" improvement... |
| 09:11.02 | benJIman | Slack4020: your main complaints are UI which is quite easily modifiable, and considerable work is going into that anyway, your other complaint is about a proprietary obsolete protocol. |
| 09:11.09 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Ace2016: sounds a cool idea |
| 09:11.10 | Renze | Slack4020: even the main gaim developer thinks kopete is better |
| 09:11.14 | lunitik | Slack4020: not to mention its interface in general reminds me of the worst IM interface ever: AIM |
| 09:11.19 | Slack4020 | benJIman: lmao |
| 09:11.25 | Jucato | Ace2016: take comfort in the fact that you have at least 1 supporter :) |
| 09:11.25 | Slack4020 | there you go obsolete again |
| 09:11.35 | lunitik | Slack4020: Its configuration interface in 2.0 is also very ugly |
| 09:11.45 | Slack4020 | whats? |
| 09:11.50 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Well, it is obsolete. Newer incarnations of AIM use the same OSCAR protocol as ICQ, so the original AIM protocol is in fact entirely obsolete. |
| 09:12.14 | Slack4020 | well i use the same aim protocol that 90 percent os the usa use |
| 09:12.28 | Ace2016 | Jucato: no no no your not seeing the bigger picture, i have an entire distro development team on my side, see people want this idea |
| 09:12.47 | Jucato | Ace2016: oh in that case, good luck with it. prove them wrong :) |
| 09:12.51 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Do you have a source on that market share information? |
| 09:12.53 | lunitik | Sho_: Gaim folks found it useful back when AOL would block 3rd party clients... TOC never was blocked, so users could still access AIM contacts even when OSCAR wouldn't work... they just never removed it... |
| 09:13.06 | Slack4020 | Sho_: actually i think its in the low 80's |
| 09:13.11 | benJIman | AIM is quite popular in the US, but not in the rest of the world. |
| 09:13.12 | Jucato | Ace2016: but you see, what people "want" and what is technically feasible sometimes do not match |
| 09:13.12 | Renze | Slack4020: more americans use MSN than all the other networks combined |
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| 09:13.36 | lunitik | Slack4020: currently, MSN is the most popular IM client in the US and worldwide... your stats are about 3 years old |
| 09:13.54 | Slack4020 | well my age group uses aim |
| 09:13.57 | Sho_ | Ace2016: It's not like anybody sat down and said "let's make making styles hard" |
| 09:13.58 | lunitik | (not to mention, yahoo users now can be included...) |
| 09:14.03 | Slack4020 | but i also have about 80 contacts that use msn as well |
| 09:14.10 | lunitik | Slack4020: what is your age group? |
| 09:14.17 | Slack4020 | 18-25 |
| 09:14.28 | lunitik | Slack4020: you're simply wrong then. |
| 09:14.32 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 09:14.51 | Slack4020 | i was in high school what 1 year ago went to 3 different schools in different states alll used aim |
| 09:14.51 | Ace2016 | Sho_: nope, they said "Whats the easiest way for us to implement themeing in kde?" "make people make their own themes?" "Great idea. lets go with that" |
| 09:14.56 | Renze | the Jabber protocol is by far the best |
| 09:14.58 | Jucato | hm.. my age group would be 20-30 chronologically, 10-40 psychologically, and 10-20 emotionally... :P |
| 09:15.13 | benJIman | yeah being available only by jabber and people soon switch to jabber Slack4020. |
| 09:15.27 | Slack4020 | i use jabber .........i am making a jabber client :P |
| 09:15.29 | lunitik | Renze: not really... it lacks a lot of things that Slack4020's age group (of which I'm a member) use... |
| 09:15.31 | Sho_ | Ace2016: Please use styles instead of themes btw ... consistent terminology avoids confusion ;) |
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| 09:15.57 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 09:16.03 | Sho_ | lunitik: For example? |
| 09:16.05 | Slack4020 | jabber is more for business |
| 09:16.05 | Ace2016 | bye all and have a nice day |
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| 09:16.27 | lunitik | Sho_: webcam support... voice chat support... etc |
| 09:17.10 | Sho_ | lunitik: there's jingle? |
| 09:17.10 | lunitik | Sho_: there are clients with voice chat support, but i haven't seen a jabber client with webcam support |
| 09:17.44 | benJIman | kopete support voice over jabber, I've not met anyone who actually uses webcam. |
| 09:17.46 | lunitik | Sho_: now I just have to get about 300 people to switch to that.... I'll pass |
| 09:18.34 | Sho_ | Dunno ... I guess my stance is that if people don't want to use Jabber they're usually not worth talking to ;) |
| 09:18.45 | lunitik | benJIman: I have webcam sessions with at least 2-3 people every day... |
| 09:19.12 | lunitik | Sho_: If I took that stance, I'd never be social with anyone over the internet... |
| 09:19.56 | lunitik | Well... other than IRC of course... I'm usually on here when no one I actually know is online though... |
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| 09:20.40 | Sho_ | lunitik: Well, I've gotten plenty of non-geeks over into Jabber without problems ... the readily available multi-protocol messengers make it easy |
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| 09:21.09 | lunitik | Sho_: like I said, they don't support webcam or voice etc... |
| 09:21.39 | benJIman | lunitik: kopete supports voice. |
| 09:21.39 | Sho_ | Miranda and Trillian on Windows, etc. |
| 09:21.39 | lunitik | Sho_: I know no one on Jabber... I have over 300 contacts on MSN |
| 09:21.39 | benJIman | kopete supports webcam over other protocols, not jabber yet. |
| 09:21.50 | Slack4020 | benJIman: what are you a kopete developer ? |
| 09:22.05 | Sho_ | lunitik: Got about ~110 contacts in Jabber, and no other IM protocol |
| 09:22.07 | lunitik | benJIman: that would require them using Linux... |
| 09:22.16 | Jucato | Sho_: whoa! :) |
| 09:22.23 | benJIman | Slack4020: no, although I am quite familiar with the code, do quite a lot of patching on my local copy for UI things that annoy me. |
| 09:22.29 | Sho_ | Before Jabber I used to use ICQ |
| 09:22.35 | benJIman | lunitik: there is miranda on windows. |
| 09:22.41 | Slack4020 | benJIman: just face it .........it sucks :P |
| 09:22.41 | Sho_ | Then one day I read the ludicrous ICQ usage terms assigning copyright of my conversations to AOL |
| 09:22.45 | Sho_ | And decided I'd better stop using that |
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| 09:23.06 | benJIman | Slack4020: no it's great, far better than gaim, just the defaults suck, nothing a bit of configuration with GCC can't fix. |
| 09:23.14 | lunitik | benJIman: you couldn't even convince ME to use Miranda... so convincing my friends would be futile |
| 09:23.35 | benJIman | lunitik: miranda is great when set up correctly. |
| 09:23.44 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 09:23.50 | benJIman | It is probably the most flexible IM client in existance. |
| 09:23.56 | lunitik | benJIman: Miranda is the worst (appearance wise) IM in existence |
| 09:24.08 | benJIman | lunitik: It can look like absolutely anything you can imagine. |
| 09:24.11 | Slack4020 | gaim rulez :P i think its awesome compared to kopete |
| 09:24.19 | Slack4020 | the kopete gui sucks so bad i think |
| 09:24.29 | Renze | Slack4020: even the main gaim developer thinks kopete is better |
| 09:24.36 | qupada | benJIman: apart from the fact that it's incapable of connecting to more than one irc network simultaneously |
| 09:24.46 | Sho_ | I've stripped down Kopete's UI to the minimum, and modified the "Modern" chat window theme to my liking, and it's the most pleasant IM user experience I've had so far. |
| 09:24.48 | benJIman | Slack4020: http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/kopete.png is it really that bad? |
| 09:24.53 | Slack4020 | Renze: :D i must be weird then ..........but atleast im not alone |
| 09:25.04 | Renze | Slack4020: you are in a minority, though :) |
| 09:25.19 | Sho_ | Gaim's just awfully clunky (last time I used it in earnest, I had to add myself to my buddy list to see my own status), Miranda is finnicky, ... |
| 09:25.20 | Jucato | guys, it's no use trying to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinved. let him work on "kaim" if he wants to. it's his time/resources to use/waste anyway... |
| 09:25.37 | Slack4020 | yours looks good |
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| 09:25.48 | Sho_ | Other than Kopete, the best IM client is probably the really ancient old ICQ client around 1998 before ICQ went nuts with unnecessary crap and theming |
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| 09:26.03 | benJIman | Slack4020: then what's your problem? |
| 09:26.09 | Renze | Slack4020: mine looks about the same as benJIman's, except I use a different chat window theme |
| 09:26.29 | Slack4020 | well |
| 09:26.35 | Slack4020 | i like OOB apps |
| 09:26.42 | Slack4020 | gaim looks slick OOB |
| 09:26.42 | benJIman | OOB? |
| 09:26.46 | Jucato | out of the box? |
| 09:26.47 | Slack4020 | out of box |
| 09:26.51 | Jucato | ootb |
| 09:27.01 | benJIman | Slack4020: then help improve kopete's defaults, writing a completely new IM app is hardly the solution. |
| 09:27.06 | lunitik | qupada: again: irrsi certainly doesn't support webcams ;P |
| 09:27.06 | Renze | Slack4020: so you never change settings to suit yourself? |
| 09:27.14 | Jucato | hm... |
| 09:27.17 | qupada | lunitik: good. i don't want it to |
| 09:27.23 | Renze | Slack4020: you have no individuality? |
| 09:27.24 | Slack4020 | im just kidding |
| 09:27.32 | lunitik | qupada: your loss... |
| 09:27.43 | Slack4020 | well the only thing that really turned me off about kopete is the no direct connect |
| 09:27.46 | Jucato | lol... irssi w/ webcam.. :) |
| 09:27.56 | qupada | lunitik: quite the opposite, i would have thought. each to their own |
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| 09:30.28 | Jucato | ... it suddenly grew quiet... |
| 09:30.43 | lunitik | Slack4020: yeah, Kopete's AIM support is lacking compared to Gaim... with Yahoo and MSN protocols being interoperable now, AIM is next to irrelevant anymore though |
| 09:30.48 | Jucato | lol |
| 09:31.12 | Jucato | which version of Kopete has support for Yahoo chatrooms? 0.12.2? |
| 09:31.19 | lunitik | .3 |
| 09:31.21 | Slack4020 | i know aim wont be around much longer |
| 09:31.22 | Jucato | ah |
| 09:31.30 | Slack4020 | but i have 200 contacts |
| 09:31.49 | lunitik | You said 80 about 5 mins ago... |
| 09:31.50 | annma | guys there's a #kopete channel if you want |
| 09:31.59 | Jucato | :) |
| 09:32.06 | Sho_ | Slack4020: http://www.eikehein.com/kopete.png <- mine |
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| 09:32.09 | Slack4020 | 143 to be exact |
| 09:32.12 | annma | lunitik: Slack4020 is getting more and more popular |
| 09:32.16 | lunitik | annma: no one is asking for help... and it'd be considered trolling there :/ |
| 09:32.29 | Jucato | annma: where? |
| 09:32.45 | Jucato | Sho_: spent a lot of time blurring out names, eh? |
| 09:32.49 | annma | ah i thought aim support was considered poor |
| 09:33.11 | Sho_ | Jucato: Gimp refused to start ;) |
| 09:33.23 | Renze | Sho_: you didn't use krita?!? :D |
| 09:33.24 | annma | Jucato: where what? |
| 09:33.25 | Jucato | hehe |
| 09:33.30 | Sho_ | Renze: Habit ;) |
| 09:33.42 | Renze | Sho_: I know... I have the same habit :D |
| 09:33.45 | Jucato | <annma> lunitik: Slack4020 is getting more and more popular <--- where is he getting more and more popular? |
| 09:33.56 | Slack4020 | wtf? |
| 09:33.57 | annma | Jucato: it was a joke |
| 09:34.03 | Sho_ | Jucato: She was being sarcastic |
| 09:34.04 | Jucato | annma: oh.. lol sorry :) |
| 09:34.06 | hkBst | does ktorrent do anything with MAC addresses? |
| 09:34.17 | lunitik | hkBst: umm, probably not... |
| 09:34.24 | Sho_ | hkBst: What do you want it to do with MAC addresses? |
| 09:34.25 | Renze | hkBst: I don't think so |
| 09:34.53 | Jucato | lunitik: nope |
| 09:34.59 | Sho_ | lunitik: No, KTorrent has its own implementation of the protocols |
| 09:35.23 | hkBst | Apparently I was using lots of MAC addresses, and I'm trying to find out why |
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| 09:35.49 | lunitik | Sho_: ahh... yeah... bittorrent isn't listed in the deps... meh... I'm not sure I like people reinventing the wheel... open source devels should work smarter rather than harder :) |
| 09:36.04 | Slack4020 | maybe i will give kopete a try |
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| 09:36.20 | lunitik | Sho_: although the last.fm stuff from amarok is nice, and they were the first to do that kinda thing afaik (the stations support especially) |
| 09:36.30 | Jucato | lunitik: KTorrent doesn't reinvent the wheel, though. it has an embedded browser (using KTHML) for searching torrents, for example |
| 09:36.44 | Sho_ | lunitik: Well, the original BitTorrent is probably the crappiest implementation around, and the good C++ implementations are either non-portable Windows ones or closed source. And Azureus is Java. KTorrent has probably the best free C++ implementation of BT and DHT. |
| 09:37.07 | Sho_ | lunitik: So its existence is justified |
| 09:37.08 | lunitik | What is DHT? |
| 09:37.15 | Jucato | Headless Tracker |
| 09:37.15 | Sho_ | lunitik: Distributed Headless Tracker |
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| 09:38.01 | Jucato | a tracker without a head... |
| 09:38.13 | Sho_ | lunitik: Or "Distributed Hash Table", on the technical side: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table |
| 09:38.55 | Slack4020 | crap |
| 09:38.59 | Slack4020 | in kopete |
| 09:39.02 | Sho_ | oh, an MPlayer 1.0 release candidate |
| 09:39.16 | Slack4020 | how can i bring back the meny bar ..........the file - etc - etc ? |
| 09:39.20 | Slack4020 | i cant figure it out |
| 09:39.26 | Jucato | Ctrl+M? |
| 09:39.29 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Ctrl+M, like in almost any KDE app |
| 09:39.57 | Sho_ | lunitik: Aside from GMP, Qt and kdelibs KTorrent has no other dependencies afaik |
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| 09:40.36 | Sho_ | (gmp being a GNU math library) |
| 09:41.01 | lunitik | Sho_: the Kubuntu package disagrees... heh... it lists a tone of stuff |
| 09:41.09 | Jucato | hehe that's Kubuntu :) |
| 09:41.27 | Sho_ | lunitik: The Gentoo ebuild does not ;) |
| 09:42.10 | lunitik | s/loan/give |
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| 09:43.11 | Slack4020 | im using kopete .11.3 any reason to upgrade .......an i missing anything major ? |
| 09:43.14 | lunitik | Sho_: 10 quadcore's might just do the trick actually |
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| 09:43.58 | visik7 | I need a way to remove window borders via shell |
| 09:44.09 | lunitik | Slack4020: the changelogs are online... go look :/ |
| 09:44.12 | Jucato | Slack4020: the latest is 0.12.3 afaik |
| 09:44.15 | Jucato | or .2 |
| 09:44.16 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Upgrading would be worth it, yes ... 0.12.3 (included with KDE 3.5.5) is a little better all around, also has a new theming system, etc. |
| 09:44.19 | Renze | 0.12.3 |
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| 09:44.30 | Jucato | oh there] |
| 09:44.35 | Slack4020 | might as well upgrad |
| 09:44.36 | Slack4020 | e |
| 09:45.11 | lunitik | Sho_: the theming system is the only thing I can really think of... and none of the screenshots shown so far even uses it it seems... so it can hardly be called a significant change :P |
| 09:45.14 | Sho_ | lol ... 'Qt was respectively 7, 5 and 6 times faster. Than Cairo in those plain tests.' |
| 09:46.00 | Slack4020 | GTK+ argues that there stuff renders / displays faster |
| 09:46.04 | RockMan | ciao |
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| 09:46.20 | Slack4020 | also almost got kopete to look like gaim :P |
| 09:46.38 | Jucato | hi RockMan |
| 09:46.42 | lunitik | Slack4020: GTK+ argues no such thing, in fact most of their devels claim there is no point fixing such issues because "hardware will catchup before we fix it" |
| 09:46.49 | Sho_ | http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html <- that's a fun read |
| 09:46.58 | Jucato | Slack4020: I managed to do that as well before. but realized I liked the way Kopete looked better :) |
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| 09:47.58 | Sho_ | 'Conclusion from all those tests is that right now Qt is leaps ahead of any other vector graphics framework in terms of raw performance. Nothing comes even close. Qt's OpenGL engine is so fast it's basically unfair to compare anything else to it.' |
| 09:48.00 | Slack4020 | lunitik: it was just thrown up a few times at me |
| 09:48.29 | lunitik | Slack4020: huh? |
| 09:48.31 | qupada | Sho_: i just looked at the graphs, conclusion i came to was 'qt gives everything else a good shafting' |
| 09:48.42 | benJIman | Sho_: is it compared to xara? |
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| 09:48.58 | Slack4020 | man ocaml really needs these qt bindings GRRRRRRRRRR |
| 09:48.58 | Sho_ | benJIman: cairo and amanith |
| 09:49.25 | Sho_ | benJIman: The xara stuff isn't really useful outside of their application at this point, right? Qt, Cairo and Amanith are platform libraries |
| 09:49.33 | lunitik | benJIman: what is xara? |
| 09:49.52 | Sho_ | benJIman: Plus Xara doesn't do OpenGL, afaik |
| 09:49.54 | benJIman | Sho_: yeah it's not useful outside their app, but it's blisteringly fast. |
| 09:49.56 | qupada | lunitik: www.xaraextreme.org |
| 09:50.05 | qupada | lunitik: recently opensourced vector graphics app |
| 09:50.15 | Sho_ | lunitik: A formerly proprietary Windows vector graphics application that was open-sourced and ported to Linux a while ago |
| 09:50.27 | Sho_ | (unfortunately using GTK) |
| 09:50.29 | lunitik | qupada: says "Unknown host" |
| 09:50.36 | Jucato | Sho_: I thought it used wxWidgets? |
| 09:50.46 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well wxWidgets uses GTK on Linux .. |
| 09:50.53 | qupada | lunitik: www.xaraxtreme.org |
| 09:50.58 | Jucato | oh.. that sucks... |
| 09:51.02 | qupada | sorry, xtreme not extreme |
| 09:51.29 | qupada | lunitik: have a look at the screenshots gallery, some crazy stuff in there |
| 09:52.01 | Sho_ | Jucato: And if you want to do cross-platform, now that Qt4 is GPL on all platforms, you might as well just use that |
| 09:52.42 | Slack4020 | wasn't there a qtc binding here a while back |
| 09:52.52 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah. I was just interested in looking into other widget toolkits (specially why didn't become as "popular"). wxWidgets was on the top of my list... but now... :P |
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| 09:54.05 | AddeBC | ANyone who cpuld help me with configuring my panels... got som weird problem... |
| 09:54.15 | Sho_ | Jucato: wxWidgets is basically an abstraction layer on top of GTK on Linux, the Windows-native stuff on Windows, etc. - so it's a different approach |
| 09:54.30 | Slack4020 | they were going ot use QT at one point |
| 09:54.32 | Slack4020 | Qt |
| 09:54.42 | Slack4020 | instead of gtk or switch or something |
| 09:54.54 | Slack4020 | but never did becasue of license |
| 09:55.18 | Jucato | I guess that's the price they wanted to pay for being cross-platform... using the native widgets of the OS... |
| 09:56.19 | lunitik | Jucato: That is usually perfered actually afaik |
| 09:56.47 | Jucato | makes things easier, I guess? |
| 09:57.03 | Sho_ | lunitik: Yeah, but it's also a cludge in terms of having to design an API that is a lowest common denominator between those other APIs |
| 09:57.05 | Slack4020 | any of you guys like glib ? |
| 09:57.06 | lunitik | Jucato: look at all the work porting things to OS X and making it look like OS X... same goes for Windows ports of things... everyone does it |
| 09:57.13 | Sho_ | lunitik: Using Qt is certainly nicer for the programmer |
| 09:57.30 | Slack4020 | is there anything like GIO channels in QT ? |
| 09:57.35 | Sho_ | Slack4020: glib is the stuff of my nightmares |
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| 09:58.42 | thiago | Slack4020: what is a GIO channel? |
| 09:58.49 | Slack4020 | well see for my im client i just hook my gio channel to my file descriptor (the socket) add it to the watch .....and it handles polling etc all for me |
| 09:58.55 | AddeBC | If i add an extra panel at Top position and i want to configure the width of it? how? Cause for me it always changes the main panel... ? What am i doing wrong? |
| 09:59.33 | Sho_ | AddeBC: At the top of the configuration dialog is a drop-down box to switch between the different panels |
| 10:00.14 | thiago | Slack4020: QSocketNotifier |
| 10:00.38 | thiago | Slack4020: but in KDE code, you have KBufferedSocket and you have to use it (never file descriptors directly) |
| 10:00.52 | AddeBC | Sho_: Nope i have no drop down... :( |
| 10:00.59 | Renze | AddeBC: kubuntu? |
| 10:01.03 | AddeBC | Suse |
| 10:01.08 | Renze | weird |
| 10:01.09 | Slack4020 | thiago: i loose multi platform ' ness with this |
| 10:01.20 | Slack4020 | glib is multi platform in that respect |
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| 10:01.57 | thiago | Slack4020: you can use fds. |
| 10:02.00 | thiago | Slack4020: you shouldn't. |
| 10:02.11 | Sho_ | AddeBC: http://www.eikehein.com/panels.png |
| 10:02.26 | thiago | Slack4020: any KDE application should use the KDE sockets implementation, so that proxies are automatically applied. |
| 10:02.31 | Jucato | ouch... I think I wounded myself on a piece of rusted metal... :( |
| 10:02.50 | AddeBC | Sho_: Thats very annoying cause i dont have that... i have verything else but that listbox |
| 10:02.53 | Sho_ | Jucato: Still less painful than using glib, though ;) |
| 10:02.54 | Slack4020 | what about all my non kde users? |
| 10:03.04 | Jucato | Sho_: I would imagine so :) |
| 10:03.20 | Sho_ | AddeBC: Close the dialog, run "dcop kicker kicker restart" from "Run Command" in the KMenu, and see if it shows up then |
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| 10:03.32 | thiago | Slack4020: if your application is a KDE application, it should use the KDE settings. |
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| 10:04.10 | Slack4020 | its not just a kde app |
| 10:04.19 | thiago | Slack4020: the same applies to widget styles, colours, etc. |
| 10:04.21 | AddeBC | Sho_: Thanks that fixed it... |
| 10:04.24 | Slack4020 | but i need all platforms |
| 10:04.33 | AddeBC | Sho_: what exactly did i do..? |
| 10:04.41 | Renze | Slack4020: then don't use the KDE functions |
| 10:04.44 | thiago | Slack4020: are you linking to kdecore and kdeui? |
| 10:04.46 | Renze | Slack4020: duh |
| 10:04.57 | Sho_ | AddeBC: Probably nothing ... I think there's a bug where the drop-down doesn't always appear immediately after adding an applet |
| 10:05.06 | Sho_ | *adding a panel |
| 10:05.08 | Slack4020 | does qt have stuff avaliable for network ? |
| 10:05.13 | thiago | Slack4020: QtNetwork |
| 10:05.18 | Slack4020 | thats non kde ? |
| 10:05.25 | Renze | Qt is Qt |
| 10:05.26 | thiago | Slack4020: point is: KDE Libs are intended to be used for KDE only |
| 10:05.34 | Slack4020 | maybe for my KDE version i will KDE ' ize it more |
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| 10:05.52 | Sho_ | Slack4020: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/io.html |
| 10:05.53 | thiago | Slack4020: some people are working on making KDE also work in Windows and MacOS X, where that kind of integration will be different |
| 10:05.58 | AddeBC | Sho_: ok... thanks... another question... How can i get a panel to go ontop of windows instead of Docking to it and taking up space... I want it on top of windows transparent.. ;) |
| 10:06.05 | thiago | Slack4020: for now, that doesn't exist. You need to use Qt to do it. |
| 10:06.23 | Sho_ | AddeBC: Don't know, sorry |
| 10:06.41 | AddeBC | ok... thanks for you hel though... very appreciated... |
| 10:06.45 | Slack4020 | also lets say i just use like regualr widgets etc and the network library of QT .......how much will that add to my application ? |
| 10:06.49 | Slack4020 | size |
| 10:06.50 | AddeBC | *your help |
| 10:07.10 | annma | what is your app, Slack4020 ? |
| 10:07.31 | Renze | Slack4020: it won't add anything to your application unless you statically link |
| 10:07.32 | Slack4020 | i have a prototype jabber client already written in ocaml but i could do a quick re write |
| 10:07.45 | thiago | Slack4020: if you use Qt, your application will probably look a lot like KDE applications. |
| 10:07.49 | Slack4020 | Renze: for windows .......i need static link |
| 10:07.56 | Slack4020 | look ? |
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| 10:08.09 | thiago | Slack4020: TT is working on getting the reverse integration going (from KDE into Qt). |
| 10:08.11 | Slack4020 | doesnt qt apps on kde look like kde apps ? |
| 10:08.25 | thiago | Slack4020: one could say that a KDE application looks like a Qt application |
| 10:08.32 | annma | hmmm |
| 10:08.44 | thiago | but KDE applications have some more rules, like shortcuts, menu layout, HIG, the Settings menu, etc. |
| 10:08.48 | Slack4020 | i mean the widget - styles everything is the same |
| 10:08.50 | annma | kde looks are prettier |
| 10:08.55 | Jucato | heh :) |
| 10:09.04 | annma | kde styles are prettier |
| 10:09.07 | annma | ;) |
| 10:09.08 | benJIman | Qt dialogues look different too. |
| 10:09.17 | thiago | Slack4020: if someone changes his shortcut to the Copy action, all KDE applications are affected, but not Qt ones. |
| 10:09.25 | Jucato | Opera and Scribus are example of Qt apps that are not KDE apps, right? |
| 10:09.31 | thiago | Jucato: yes. |
| 10:09.41 | thiago | Jucato: Skype and Google Earth too. |
| 10:09.45 | Slack4020 | Opera makes alot of their own widgets |
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| 10:09.52 | Jucato | ah yeah forgot those 2 |
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| 10:10.02 | Slack4020 | opera is not a good example :P |
| 10:10.03 | Sho_ | Jucato: Opera only uses Qt for file dialogs |
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| 10:10.19 | Jucato | ok :) |
| 10:10.24 | thiago | also, KDE applications uses KIO, which Qt applications don't (another point of reverse-integration that is wanted but doesn't exist yet) |
| 10:10.34 | Slack4020 | well then for the most part there wotn be a difference right ? |
| 10:10.44 | thiago | Slack4020: visually? No |
| 10:10.56 | Slack4020 | visually things look different ? |
| 10:11.02 | thiago | you can easily follow the KDE HIG in your app. |
| 10:11.10 | Slack4020 | HIG? |
| 10:11.20 | thiago | Human Interface Guidelines |
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| 10:11.39 | thiago | Like where to use verbs and where to use nouns in the interface. Where to capitalise and where not to. |
| 10:11.46 | Slack4020 | well if i make my app with qt i dont want it to look all out of wack on KDE ? |
| 10:11.49 | thiago | where to end with "...", which menus should exist, etc. |
| 10:12.22 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Qt apps can blend in reasonably well in KDE |
| 10:12.38 | annma | true |
| 10:12.45 | thiago | in theory, a Qt widget style can load KDE libraries. |
| 10:12.58 | Slack4020 | hmmm i seeeeee |
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| 10:13.23 | annma | Slack4020: the best with Qt is the easiness |
| 10:13.30 | annma | the C++ easiness |
| 10:13.36 | Slack4020 | hmmmmm |
| 10:13.43 | Slack4020 | never really used qt |
| 10:13.43 | annma | it's all intuitive |
| 10:13.47 | dansushi | is there a scheduler program under kde? |
| 10:13.57 | annma | start and you'll never look elsewhere for GUI stuff |
| 10:14.01 | Sho_ | dansushi: To schedule what? |
| 10:14.02 | Renze | dansushi: define scheduler |
| 10:14.10 | thiago | Slack4020: the best way to get a KDE-looking-and-feeling program is to use the KDE libraries, obviously. |
| 10:14.12 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmmm |
| 10:14.14 | thiago | Slack4020: the next best thing is Qt. |
| 10:14.27 | dansushi | Sho_: Renze: to make a certain program come on at a certain time |
| 10:14.29 | annma | TRUE |
| 10:14.34 | Sho_ | dansushi: KCron from kdeadmin |
| 10:14.43 | Slack4020 | and qt is native on windows right ? |
| 10:14.46 | Slack4020 | and mac ? |
| 10:15.05 | thiago | Slack4020: yes and yes |
| 10:15.29 | jeh | hm. kde 3.5.5 is quite a lot more buggy than 3.5.4. i bring up a konqueror window in front of some full screen app (say, konversation) and it starts "competing" for focus. so both apps flash all the time, sucking 100% cpu and being utterly useless |
| 10:15.30 | thiago | "First there was Linux and then there was Mac..." |
| 10:15.33 | Slack4020 | on windows wit ha static link how much does it usually add for gui + network ? |
| 10:15.33 | Jucato | lol |
| 10:15.37 | annma | ;) |
| 10:15.53 | Renze | jeh: bug in kwin... already fixed. grab the upgrade |
| 10:15.58 | thiago | Slack4020: I don't know. I don't develop on Windows. |
| 10:16.04 | Slack4020 | hmmm i seee |
| 10:16.20 | jeh | Renze: ok. i guess there will be upgraded kubuntu packages some day |
| 10:16.40 | Renze | jeh: in the meantime, switch to "click to focus" |
| 10:16.43 | thiago | Slack4020: but since MSVC.net is supposed to optimise quite well, I'd say not more than a few megs. Less than 10. |
| 10:17.06 | thiago | Slack4020: make sure you use Qt fully, though. Don't reinvent what it already has, like lists and QString. |
| 10:17.06 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 10:17.26 | Slack4020 | i cant imagine distributing a 10 meg im client lol |
| 10:17.45 | thiago | Slack4020: take the size of Google Earth as a parameter. |
| 10:17.47 | annma | ? |
| 10:18.00 | annma | Slack4020: we are in the third millenium |
| 10:18.09 | annma | 10 mb are peanuts |
| 10:18.12 | thiago | why not a 10MB in 2006? |
| 10:18.13 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Less than 10 meg, and that's uncompressed of course |
| 10:18.28 | jeh | Renze: ah, thank you, that did the trick |
| 10:18.31 | thiago | Slack4020: I was also meaning VM footprint, not file size. |
| 10:18.39 | Slack4020 | well |
| 10:18.40 | Renze | jeh: annoying bug, but it is fixed now :) |
| 10:18.47 | Slack4020 | i was thinking more like less then 1 mb :P |
| 10:18.54 | Slack4020 | sorry 3 mb |
| 10:19.08 | jeh | Renze: ok. won't help me though as i don't use kde from source |
| 10:19.29 | Renze | jeh: hurry up your distro's packagers then ;) |
| 10:19.48 | Jucato | jeh: I'll ask Riddell about it after Edgy has been released |
| 10:19.50 | thiago | Google Earth on Windows is 13 MB in size (the download). It also includes a lot of bootstrapping data. |
| 10:20.01 | jeh | Renze: heh, that wouldn't be polite. they do their best |
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| 10:20.25 | Renze | it's not good enough ;) |
| 10:20.37 | Jucato | Renze: you have a KDE bug for this I could refer to? |
| 10:20.44 | jeh | Jucato: if edgy will have 3.5.5 i guess the fix has to be included, as everyone nowadays probably uses "focu follows mouse" |
| 10:20.48 | thiago | Slack4020: on Linux, you can request LSB compliance and not package the Qt libraries. |
| 10:20.56 | thiago | Slack4020: but on Windows, sorry man. |
| 10:21.05 | Renze | Jucato: dunno... never checked. the update appeared in portage within hours |
| 10:21.05 | Jucato | jeh: yes, they'll probably have a fix for it |
| 10:21.08 | Jucato | :) |
| 10:21.11 | thiago | Slack4020: I'd recommend you get Qt and make your own tests. |
| 10:21.13 | Slack4020 | the gtk+ theme qtcurve - how different does that look from Qt on kde ? |
| 10:21.27 | Renze | Slack4020: it's identical |
| 10:21.33 | Slack4020 | wtf |
| 10:21.37 | Renze | Slack4020: it's made that way |
| 10:21.37 | Slack4020 | Renze: serious ? |
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| 10:21.45 | Renze | Slack4020: yes |
| 10:21.51 | thiago | Slack4020: if you get the supported evaluation period, you can even ask questions to TT's support. But don't set impossible constraints. |
| 10:21.57 | Slack4020 | so the gtk+ qtcurve theme would look like skype |
| 10:21.59 | hein | Slack4020: The entire point of the QtCurve widget engine is to be available for both Qt and GTK+ |
| 10:22.34 | Slack4020 | skype is Qt right ? |
| 10:22.38 | Renze | yes |
| 10:22.50 | Slack4020 | so qtcurve is the same look as skype ? |
| 10:23.07 | Renze | qtcurve on gtk+ looks the same as qtcurve on kde |
| 10:23.20 | Slack4020 | and is it 100 percent good ? like identical good ? |
| 10:23.26 | hein | Slack4020: When you use QtCurve in your KDE Skype should be using that style as well, yes |
| 10:23.27 | Slack4020 | welll |
| 10:23.37 | Slack4020 | im saying |
| 10:23.45 | Slack4020 | i saw pics of Qtcurve |
| 10:23.49 | Slack4020 | welll |
| 10:24.04 | hein | So far you're not saying much |
| 10:24.05 | Slack4020 | how different does Qtcurve look different then Qt on KDE ? |
| 10:24.06 | Renze | qtcurve is very configurable |
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| 10:24.27 | Renze | qtcurve on gtk+ looks the same as qtcurve on kde |
| 10:24.31 | Renze | read |
| 10:24.32 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 10:24.34 | Renze | don't assume |
| 10:24.41 | Slack4020 | i understand that |
| 10:24.47 | Slack4020 | buut |
| 10:24.56 | hein | Slack4020: Qt apps in KDE use the style set in KDE KControl |
| 10:25.13 | Slack4020 | skype is QT right ? |
| 10:25.17 | Renze | yes |
| 10:25.20 | Slack4020 | now |
| 10:25.27 | Renze | why do you ask the same questions over and over? |
| 10:25.28 | hein | Slack4020: Unless they're statically linked and hard-configured to use a style they distribute themselves (like Google Earth) |
| 10:25.50 | Slack4020 | if Skype used GTK+ and used Qtcurve would it look like what it does now |
| 10:26.05 | Renze | only if you use QtCurve in KDE |
| 10:26.17 | Slack4020 | i am trying to see the difference between Qtcurve on KDE and regualr Qt on KDE |
| 10:26.26 | hein | Slack4020: Qt apps in KDE use the style set in KDE KControl |
| 10:26.28 | Jucato | jeh: this only happens in focus follows mouse? |
| 10:26.28 | Renze | what is regular Qt? |
| 10:26.36 | Slack4020 | Skype |
| 10:26.42 | hein | Slack4020: Okay, you're so not following this |
| 10:26.47 | Slack4020 | lol |
| 10:26.48 | Renze | Jucato: it happens in every focus method except "click to focus" |
| 10:26.50 | Slack4020 | im sooooooooooo confused |
| 10:26.55 | thiago | Regular Qt4 is Plastique, which looks like KDE3's Plastik theme |
| 10:27.02 | Renze | Slack4020: you seem quite easy to confuse ;) |
| 10:27.03 | jeh | Jucato: i didn't test the other modes, only "focus follows mouse" |
| 10:27.06 | thiago | the original Qt3 theme is really ugly, not even worth mentioning. |
| 10:27.10 | Jucato | Renze: ok thanks. having a hard time thinking for keywards to search for in KDE bugs |
| 10:27.16 | jeh | Jucato: just switched as per Renze's suggestion |
| 10:27.29 | Renze | I tested all of them |
| 10:27.30 | hein | Slack4020: (1) QtCurve is a style engine for Qt. (2) Plastik is a style engine for Qt. (3) Skype is a Qt app. (4) Qt apps use the style engine set in KDE KControl. (5) If your KDE is set to Plastik, Skype will use Plastik. (6) If your KDE is set to QtCurve, Skype will use QtCurve. |
| 10:27.35 | Renze | then the fix appeared :) |
| 10:27.40 | thiago | Slack4020: but any KDE installation will change the Qt theme to the KDE theme, so any Qt applications will like like KDE ones. |
| 10:27.51 | AegeanLinux|DnD | hein: ^_^ |
| 10:27.52 | Slack4020 | if i build my app in GTK is it possible to make it look like a Qt app ? |
| 10:27.54 | thiago | Slack4020: that does not mean the style is QtCurve. |
| 10:28.11 | thiago | Slack4020: yes, it's possible. You can set it to use a style that makes it look like a Qt app. |
| 10:28.13 | Renze | Slack4020: use gtk-qt-engine |
| 10:28.25 | hein | Slack4020: There is a style engine for GTK called gtk-qt-engine that uses the active Qt style engine to render |
| 10:28.27 | thiago | Slack4020: like, for instance... QtCurve :-) |
| 10:28.32 | Slack4020 | Renze: we already established how its got a few twinks |
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| 10:29.09 | Renze | Slack4020: yes, but that is the only way to make gtk apps to look like Qt apps if you are not using QtCurve |
| 10:29.25 | Renze | on both sides |
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| 10:29.47 | Slack4020 | will i see any differences between gtk-qt and qtcurve? |
| 10:29.59 | Renze | you are so missing the point completely |
| 10:30.23 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Slack4020: QtCurve is native for both KDE and Gtk, hence, it should be faster |
| 10:30.24 | Renze | QtCurve is nothing like gtk-qt... it is just a style that happens to exist for both toolkits |
| 10:30.28 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ( and it is prettier ) |
| 10:30.31 | Slack4020 | i really understand the whole qtcurve thing i know how it loosk the same on kde and gtk+ things like gnome |
| 10:30.41 | Renze | annma: thanks... I need it :D |
| 10:30.47 | Slack4020 | buuuuuuuut |
| 10:30.52 | annma | Slack4020: just try a few qt examples apps included in qt code |
| 10:30.54 | Slack4020 | well |
| 10:31.04 | Jucato | ugh... where is that bug... :P |
| 10:31.06 | annma | if you get qt sources you'll get nice examples |
| 10:31.11 | Slack4020 | i use the normal Plastik KDE theme |
| 10:31.14 | annma | just run them and see |
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| 10:31.37 | annma | do you speak about qt4 programing? |
| 10:31.38 | Renze | Slack4020: the only way to make GTK+ apps look like Plastik is to use gtk-qt or port Plastik to GTK |
| 10:31.43 | hein | Slack4020: Both Qt and GTK can load "style engines" that contain the code that draws the UI elements on the screen. The style engine defines the look. QtCurve is a style engine available for both Qt and GTK, making both the same. Gtk-Qt is a style engine for GTK that loads Qt and uses its active style engine to render. |
| 10:31.46 | Slack4020 | how different does qtcurve look then plastik theme ? |
| 10:32.02 | Renze | quite a lot |
| 10:32.13 | Renze | but it depends on how to configure it |
| 10:32.16 | Renze | you* |
| 10:32.20 | hein | Slack4020: QtCurve is similar to Plastik, but generally uses bolder bevels, etc. |
| 10:32.38 | annma | if you have kde just try them all, Slack4020 |
| 10:32.53 | Slack4020 | i think it may be best to statically link the gtk-qt theme engine in and patch a few things if i need too and no one would ever know it was a gtk app ........well of course unless thye didnt have gtk installed |
| 10:33.22 | Slack4020 | i think plastik is the most commonly used theme |
| 10:33.26 | hein | Slack4020: Or you could just use Qt *sighs* |
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| 10:33.35 | Slack4020 | hein: i would and might |
| 10:33.43 | Slack4020 | but i already have it built with GTK :( lol |
| 10:33.43 | Renze | Slack4020: you insist on making things more difficult for yourself |
| 10:34.04 | Slack4020 | i already have it built |
| 10:34.28 | Slack4020 | i am just trying ot get the 2nd best method of having a Plastik Qt look |
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| 10:34.44 | annma | her, yes |
| 10:35.46 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmm |
| 10:35.59 | Slack4020 | i think gtk-qt is best way to go |
| 10:36.12 | thiago | Slack4020: hint: just don't. |
| 10:36.15 | Slack4020 | but i wish there was more development with it |
| 10:36.21 | AegeanLinux|DnD | heim == Sho_ all the way ... wow |
| 10:36.25 | Jucato | lol |
| 10:36.27 | thiago | if people feel they want your app to look like KDE apps, they will use Gtk-Qt |
| 10:36.43 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: You didn't tell that from the ever-so-slightly-annoyed writing style? ;) |
| 10:36.47 | thiago | Slack4020: I, for one, couldn't care less what an app looks like. |
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| 10:36.57 | Slack4020 | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:37.07 | AegeanLinux|DnD | you were anoyed ? |
| 10:37.15 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I mean annoyed? |
| 10:37.18 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: you couldn't tell? |
| 10:37.22 | AegeanLinux|DnD | No :/ |
| 10:37.26 | Sho_ | Renze: What I find most funny is that he's writing a Jabber client after dismissing Jabber as stupid and clamoring for AIM earlier |
| 10:37.37 | Renze | Sho_: I had noticed that :D |
| 10:37.42 | Slack4020 | Sho_: i didnt say that |
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| 10:37.48 | Slack4020 | please read whati said |
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| 10:38.22 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Sho_: why are you slightly annoyed, anyways? |
| 10:38.30 | AegeanLinux|DnD | (I am working on the style, BTW) |
| 10:38.46 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: Stubborness annoys me |
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| 10:39.12 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Sho_: you mean with that other person starting with 'S' |
| 10:39.17 | Renze | voluntary ignorance annoys me :) |
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| 10:39.46 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Renze: do you like Shakira ? |
| 10:39.58 | AegeanLinux|DnD | !s "Shakira ?" "Shakira?" |
| 10:39.59 | AegeanBot | <AegeanLinux|DnD> Renze: do you like Shakira?? |
| 10:40.05 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: you mean the singer? not really, no... not my cup of tea |
| 10:40.29 | AegeanLinux|DnD | :o Renze, get her album, jeez, you seriously do **not** know what you are missing. |
| 10:40.44 | shahn | is there a way of getting tiled workspaces (like in ion3) in KDE? |
| 10:40.47 | Sho_ | Renze: She does have the "k" in her name going for her |
| 10:40.47 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: I prefer classical and jazz, and some old style rock... |
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| 10:40.50 | AegeanLinux|DnD | (I am inflatuated with Shakira, not only is she hot, but she is _hot_) |
| 10:41.02 | AegeanLinux|DnD | And she can sing well live too. |
| 10:41.09 | Sho_ | shahn: Well, you can use ion in KDE by exporting the KDEWM environment variable appropriately |
| 10:41.10 | Renze | AegeanLinux|DnD: I'm an old fart, remember? |
| 10:41.16 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Yeah, but still |
| 10:41.33 | Renze | firewall :P |
| 10:41.40 | AegeanLinux|DnD | same ^_^ |
| 10:41.53 | AegeanLinux|DnD | but you can get it off my FTP if you are that way inclined Renze |
| 10:41.54 | shahn | Sho_: do you happen to have links to documentation on that? |
| 10:41.59 | Renze | no thanks |
| 10:42.03 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lol, KK |
| 10:42.05 | Sho_ | shahn: no |
| 10:42.09 | shahn | ok |
| 10:42.10 | shahn | thx |
| 10:42.13 | Jucato | Renze: found the bug report, at last... :P |
| 10:42.31 | Renze | Jucato: I presume it is marked as fixed? |
| 10:42.38 | Jucato | yep |
| 10:43.06 | Sho_ | shahn: http://developer.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ |
| 10:43.39 | Sho_ | shahn: That document would appear to be multiple years old, but it's probably still relevant |
| 10:43.54 | shahn | ok |
| 10:44.08 | Renze | wheee... more chinese spam on ICQ |
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| 10:47.56 | Jucato | jeh: you there? |
| 10:48.03 | jeh | Jucato: yes |
| 10:48.45 | Jucato | they'll release the patch/fix as an update immediately on Edgy's release. it's too late to include it now, though |
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| 10:50.02 | jeh | Jucato: ok, although i'll likely be upgrading to edgy on this machine asap :) |
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| 10:50.20 | jeh | Jucato: so i guess it'll "trickle in" at some time |
| 10:50.35 | Jucato | jeh: probably on the same day as Edgy's release |
| 10:50.48 | jeh | Jucato: very nice |
| 10:50.49 | Jucato | too bad though. the patch was released Oct. 10 it seems. it could have made it... |
| 10:51.17 | jeh | Jucato: it did wreak havoc on my desktop upon logging in though |
| 10:51.59 | jeh | Jucato: as konqueror needed a kwallet password and some other konqueror window was opened on the same desktop as konvi etc |
| 10:52.00 | Renze | time for this kiwi to sleep |
| 10:52.22 | Sho_ | Jucato: Perhaps my heroic fight to get a special exception for Konvi 1.0.1 where I typed my fingers raw and annoyed people from top to bottom for days diverted too much of their attention ;) |
| 10:52.55 | Jucato | hehehe |
| 10:53.06 | Jucato | I still can't understand how this could have escaped their notice though... |
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| 10:54.56 | Jucato | Sho_: well, I'm proud to say that Kubuntu Edgy will ship with Konvi 1.0.1 :) |
| 10:55.38 | Sho_ | Jucato: yeah, I eventually convinced Matt Zimmermann from Canonical to ok it and it slipped in last minute before the RC ;) |
| 10:55.59 | Jucato | Sho_: lol |
| 10:56.02 | Jucato | that's great |
| 10:56.24 | Jucato | gives imbrandon less work to package it work updates/backports :) |
| 10:56.43 | Jucato | it was thanks to him that I got Konvi 1.0 months ahead of the others |
| 10:57.04 | Jucato | well not months..but weeks... or almost 2 months... |
| 10:57.09 | Sho_ | Jucato: Nah, Brandon made the package, but he didn't have the power to ok the exception request |
| 10:58.05 | Sho_ | Jucato: Technically, Kubuntu went into feature freeze for 6.10 on September 7th (and we delivered 1.0 on August 31st in alignment with that), so anything after that requires a special process |
| 10:58.17 | Jucato | yeah UVF |
| 10:58.27 | Jucato | which should have included this patch to kwin |
| 10:58.50 | Sho_ | Jucato: I'm happy to say it also made the migration from Debian unstable to testing just in time for the Etch freeze (thanks to isaac from the KDE herd), and it's also in SuSE 10.2 |
| 10:59.07 | Jucato | nice! |
| 10:59.10 | Jucato | very nice :) |
| 11:00.13 | Sho_ | Especially since SuSE 10.1 still shipped the crappy old 0.18 |
| 11:00.29 | Jucato | wha? |
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| 11:00.38 | Jucato | 1.0 is a *huge* improvement :) |
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| 11:09.22 | Slack4020 | they should make a gtk+ to draw qt stuff built in |
| 11:09.32 | Slack4020 | gtk should |
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| 11:13.36 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Slack4020: |
| 11:13.38 | AegeanLinux|DnD | why ? |
| 11:14.04 | AegeanLinux|DnD | that was ment to be one line, saying " Slack4020: why? " |
| 11:14.10 | Jucato | hehe :) |
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| 11:14.36 | Sho_ | AegeanLinux|DnD: Because he has written a GTK app, found out he'd rather be using Qt, but is too lazy to rewrite it |
| 11:14.58 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I would rather a Qt backend for wxWidgets |
| 11:15.20 | metellius | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/kde-startup-sequence.html <-- according to this, ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc should be run as user if they exist. but this simply doesn't happen for me (it's not run at all), is the documentation wrong or is there something wrong with my setup? |
| 11:15.24 | Jucato | oh yeah that would be nice |
| 11:17.30 | Sho_ | Jucato: Not possible for license reasons as I understand it |
| 11:17.50 | Jucato | Qt backend for wxWidgets? w.. |
| 11:17.59 | Jucato | er.. that was supposed to be "aw..." |
| 11:18.12 | Sho_ | Jucato: wxWidgets is LGPL'd, Qt is GPL |
| 11:18.27 | Jucato | oh... I won't even ask :) |
| 11:18.58 | lunitik | metellius: did you check to ensure your kdm scripts do indeed call those scripts? maybe your distro just decided it doesn't want users to do that? |
| 11:18.59 | Jucato | I think I've had enough licensing for a week :) |
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| 11:19.20 | lunitik | metellius: could also be that your scripts are just formatted wrong of course... |
| 11:20.11 | lunitik | Jucato: LGPL = go ahead and use this for whatever, we just want whatever improvements ... GPL = all your code r belond to us |
| 11:20.20 | lunitik | belong* |
| 11:20.30 | Jucato | hehe |
| 11:21.17 | Slack4020 | Sho_: pretty much :D |
| 11:21.17 | metellius | lunitik: I haven't really dared to dive into the myriad of different startup scripts. is there a quick and dirty way to get a good overlook? I am running debian unstable, and my startup script so far only does touch ~/isrun, so it shold work. (and it is executable as well) |
| 11:21.41 | lunitik | us in this case includes a LOT of people, so no one seems to care particularly though |
| 11:22.08 | Slack4020 | gtk and qt both have their ups and downs |
| 11:22.41 | lunitik | metellius: umm, that could be your issue... touch just changes the last edited tag or whatever... doesn't run that file |
| 11:22.42 | annma | Slack4020: of course, nobody's perfect |
| 11:22.55 | lunitik | metellius: you want source or something |
| 11:23.05 | Jucato | or in this case, nothing's perfect :) |
| 11:23.17 | annma | ;) |
| 11:23.20 | metellius | lunitik: no, I mean the file just touches another file to tell me that it has been run :) |
| 11:23.27 | Slack4020 | i prefer the qt look and feel |
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| 11:23.33 | MinceR | talking about gtk and qt... is there some sort of meta-toolkit (like wxWidgets) that can use either and allows this setting to be changed? |
| 11:23.35 | lunitik | metellius: ohhh... gotcha |
| 11:23.37 | Slack4020 | well the plastil thing anyway |
| 11:23.40 | Slack4020 | plastik |
| 11:23.49 | Sho_ | MinceR: no |
| 11:24.21 | lunitik | metellius: 'exec touch that/file' work? |
| 11:24.34 | Slack4020 | i think i will either contribute or put osme good reasonable donations in for the gtk-qt gizmo |
| 11:24.42 | metellius | lunitik: yup. |
| 11:25.12 | lunitik | metellius: from within the script I mean... because I think you have to tell it its gonna run something.... |
| 11:26.22 | metellius | lunitik: well that's my problem, how to get the .xinitrc script to run. what the .xinitrc does is not important now, but how to get it to run in the first place... |
| 11:26.43 | lunitik | metellius: .xinitrc is obsolete ... use .xsession |
| 11:27.06 | Slack4020 | but gtk+ is fully GLP'd |
| 11:27.08 | metellius | .xsession is already symlinked to .xinitrc |
| 11:27.20 | Sho_ | Slack4020: GTK+ is LGPL licensed |
| 11:27.28 | Sho_ | metellius: What exactly are you trying to achieve in the end, btw? |
| 11:27.28 | Slack4020 | thats what i meant |
| 11:27.46 | Sho_ | Slack4020: Qt is GPL licensed |
| 11:28.03 | Slack4020 | yea |
| 11:28.34 | metellius | Sho_: i have a few assorted xrdb and xmodmap commands, as well as starting x11vnc that I want to do at startup. |
| 11:28.41 | Slack4020 | i dont really care about all those qt netwrok libs this and that bullcrap ....... i have ocaml mastered and have my own customized set of libs for each lib i use |
| 11:28.46 | lunitik | metellius: /etc/init.d/kdm will be what looks for .xsession ... also, the link you pointed at tells where it'd be ran from later... |
| 11:28.50 | Sho_ | metellius: How about just putting a script into ~/.kde/Autostart? |
| 11:29.01 | metellius | up till now I've been using .kde/Autostart/somefile but that one's run _after_ kde startup, and I want it to do it before... |
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| 11:29.08 | Sho_ | ah |
| 11:29.45 | metellius | kde opens a few xterms, and they're annoyingly white because my xrdb settings haven't been set until after they're started. |
| 11:30.35 | metellius | it's just a preference thing I guess, no need to start a flamewar there. |
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| 11:33.56 | Slack4020 | well i guess im not to fussed then anyways |
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| 11:39.39 | rag | do you know files config for kde-menu , start menu K, i want modify menu without kmenuedit , modify files config directly |
| 11:40.09 | rag | add entry to menu K |
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| 11:41.15 | AddeBC | Can any one point me in right direction if i want my Panels to stay ontop of windows no autohide, but let the windows maximize underneath so i can have transparency on the bar. |
| 11:41.23 | AddeBC | saw i screenshot of this |
| 11:42.43 | metellius | appearantly .xsession is only run if you do startx without kdm... |
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| 11:49.03 | lunitik | metellius: startkde is supposed to run it too... which kdm runs during log in process |
| 11:49.21 | lunitik | metellius: your link tells you where to edit this... |
| 11:49.54 | lunitik | AddeBC: I don't think that is actually possible |
| 11:50.27 | lunitik | AddeBC: file a feature request @ bugs.kde.org ? |
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| 12:07.28 | AegeanLinux|DnD | poor lunitik, being at the help & support desk for the next hour ^_^ |
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| 12:08.29 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: wait... huh? |
| 12:09.01 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: you where the last one to answer questions ^^^^ |
| 12:09.29 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: no one will likely be around for like 3+ hours now... |
| 12:09.40 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I am going soon too ^_^ |
| 12:09.58 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ( to bed, it is 10 PM here in Aussieland ) |
| 12:10.22 | lunitik | Weak... Its 5am here... and I have no intentions of sleeping anytime soon :P |
| 12:11.42 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I have tests tomorow *_* |
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| 12:13.43 | lunitik | If you don't know it by heart now, you're not gonna get it down latter/tomorrow ;) |
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| 12:13.54 | lunitik | later even |
| 12:14.16 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: I can try to get one or two more marks extra though, right ? |
| 12:14.37 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ( P.S. I love how all my fav. apps are starting to move to GraphicsMagick ) |
| 12:15.03 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: but economics tests ? |
| 12:15.22 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: how does that difere from ImageMagick ? |
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| 12:15.37 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: GM has a more stable API |
| 12:15.49 | AegeanLinux|DnD | as to IM always changing each minor version |
| 12:16.29 | AegeanLinux|DnD | very annoying for me back in my webdev days, as PerlMagick was a majoy component, and for each upgrade, you could be assured that *something* would break |
| 12:16.52 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: economics can't be that hard... |
| 12:17.13 | AegeanLinux|DnD | It's the first 6 months of a University course :-/ |
| 12:17.40 | AegeanLinux|DnD | which I am doing at school. |
| 12:17.55 | AegeanLinux|DnD | which gives me credit for a Uni course |
| 12:17.58 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: but I mean, its all just technical terms for how governments doing dumb shit makes nations poor... |
| 12:18.19 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: and a bit of maths and looking at graphs, but you are right. |
| 12:18.20 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: ahh... how old are you? that makes you like 17 huh? |
| 12:18.29 | AegeanLinux|DnD | however, I want the marks for my credit |
| 12:18.39 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: 16. |
| 12:19.02 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: ahh... didn't think you were that young... |
| 12:19.28 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: congreats :=/ |
| 12:19.39 | AegeanLinux|DnD | !s congreats congrats |
| 12:19.40 | AegeanBot | <AegeanLinux|DnD> lunitik: congrats :=/ |
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| 12:19.57 | AegeanLinux|DnD | I am amazed that you could not tell with all the bad spelling and grammer :=) |
| 12:20.22 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: meh, plenty of old farts can't spell or form sentences correctly ;) |
| 12:20.52 | AegeanLinux|DnD | difference is, I actually try lunitik, and still cannot get it right =) |
| 12:21.56 | lunitik | They obviously take it very seriously, but just suck at it too ;) |
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| 12:22.05 | sephknows | uh i need some help again |
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| 12:22.12 | lunitik | sephknows: with what? |
| 12:22.20 | sephknows | last night someone explained to me how to preserve window positions in KDE |
| 12:22.21 | lunitik | sephknows: or would you rather we guess? |
| 12:22.36 | lunitik | sephknows: ahh... I wish I knew how to do that myself... heh |
| 12:22.50 | sephknows | but apparently this preserves the window position for one window and forces that on ALL windows |
| 12:23.02 | sephknows | and size ,etv |
| 12:23.03 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: that last line by itself looks wrong |
| 12:24.18 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: do not turn l33t on us then, please ^_^ |
| 12:24.21 | lunitik | sephknows: yeah, not desirable, however most people are sleeping that might be able to help... sorry |
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| 12:24.56 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: where did I turn 1337? I was just trying to make you feel better ;) |
| 12:25.30 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: right there, and do not bother trying to make me feel better, I will do that automagically when these tests are done :-S |
| 12:25.41 | sephknows | AegeanLinux|DnD: hello. last night someone taught me how to use KControl -> Desktop -> Window-Specific Settings .. to add a New... rule about "Remember" size and position of each window. but unfortinately, the serting remembers one window (as soon as i resize and move it) and the next window i open will take on that position and size! is there a way to solve this so that my windows remember their position (sorry to say) much like |
| 12:25.47 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: hah... good good :) |
| 12:26.09 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Why does the question goto me ? |
| 12:26.19 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik is the one at the H&S desk ^_^ |
| 12:26.35 | sephknows | because he doesnt know |
| 12:26.39 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: because I don't know the answer... and s/he thinks you might know if they get your attention ;) |
| 12:27.09 | AegeanLinux|DnD | sephknows: I have *no* clue mate ;-) |
| 12:27.27 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: where in the UK are you? you uhh, type funny :P |
| 12:27.28 | sephknows | ive observed a few thing... you have been in this channel long enough to have a bot, so you would likely know alot more than lunitik does. also, you are speakin with some authority which goes to say the same thing. so chances are you know a bettr amount more about KDE than him. thisi swhy i asked you |
| 12:28.01 | sephknows | i might need to use http://justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 12:29.12 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: before you get a big head... you have NO authority wrt me... let me clear that up :P |
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| 12:29.30 | Schalken | how can i make the window title centered? |
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| 12:30.29 | lunitik | AegeanLinux|DnD: although, more knowledgeable? perhaps |
| 12:31.11 | lunitik | Schalken: that actually appears to depend on Windeco theme... |
| 12:31.21 | Schalken | lunitik: oh okay |
| 12:31.24 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: I am in Aussieland |
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| 12:31.42 | Schalken | lol aussieland |
| 12:31.59 | lunitik | Schalken: should be somewhere around KControl > Appearance and Theme > Window Decorations though in an obvious place |
| 12:32.37 | lunitik | (as I said, the theme apparently can style everything you see there... else I'd be more specific) |
| 12:32.37 | Schalken | lunitik: yeah i have found i can do it with Plastik but cant center the window icon as well |
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| 12:33.44 | lunitik | Schalken: that would be something the theme would dictate also... |
| 12:34.18 | AegeanLinux|DnD | My mates are dropping like flies, and one last Shakira song, and I think I will go too |
| 12:34.27 | Schalken | lunitik: okay thanks |
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| 12:35.08 | lunitik | Shakira is gorgeous! I don't think I've heard that song though :/ |
| 12:35.44 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: :O I have the hots for Shakira ^_^ |
| 12:36.01 | lunitik | Latinas are always hot... lucky Latinos >:| |
| 12:36.01 | AegeanLinux|DnD | ( the only star that I do really ) |
| 12:36.05 | Windwalker | Hi everybody. Can somebody tell me command which is called by the Log Out button? I want to customize my right button and add ONLY logout there |
| 12:36.40 | AegeanLinux|DnD | !quit "It is my halt time... night nigh all" |
| 12:37.00 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Well, it seems that I am next. |
| 12:37.05 | AegeanLinux|DnD | Good night everyone |
| 12:37.09 | AegeanLinux|DnD | lunitik: good morning ^_^ |
| 12:38.53 | Windwalker | anybody??? |
| 12:39.54 | Sho_ | Windwalker: dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout |
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| 12:40.49 | Sho_ | Windwalker: Which takes three parameters, the values of which are covered by the ShutdownConfirm, ShutdownType and ShutDown Mode enums in the KApplication: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKApplication.html |
| 12:41.19 | Windwalker | testing |
| 12:41.19 | Windwalker | :) |
| 12:41.29 | sephknows | Sho_: hello. did you give me the advice on remembering window positions? |
| 12:41.38 | Sho_ | sephknows: nope |
| 12:41.42 | Sho_ | Windwalker: e.g. 1 2 2 would switch off the box |
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| 12:41.50 | sephknows | Sho_: do you know anything about how to do it? |
| 12:42.22 | Sho_ | sephknows: Well, window- and application-specific settings (see KControl) allow you to store forced coordinates |
| 12:42.39 | Windwalker | dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout <- did not work Do I have to substitute something? |
| 12:42.56 | Sho_ | Windwalker: Did you read and understand my line about the parameters needed? |
| 12:43.42 | Windwalker | I am new sorry trying... |
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| 12:44.16 | Windwalker | This is a good start 10x. I will start reading |
| 12:44.43 | Sho_ | Windwalker: wait |
| 12:44.59 | Sho_ | Windwalker: 'dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface logout' might be more up your alley |
| 12:45.40 | Sho_ | Windwalker: But if you want to avoid the confirmation dialogs etc. you'll need to use the ksmserver one with the right parameters (see the link) |
| 12:45.47 | sephknows | how can i manually edit whats in the "Quicklaunch Toolbar" plugin control? i want to add a program i made... |
| 12:45.48 | Windwalker | Just just solved this problem |
| 12:46.08 | Windwalker | this is exacty 100% what i was looking for |
| 12:46.20 | Sho_ | Windwalker: :) |
| 12:46.22 | Windwalker | Iwill read the page you posted also. |
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| 12:47.05 | Windwalker | Sho_, for how long you have been dealing with linux? |
| 12:48.12 | Sho_ | sephknows: If you're referring to the "Quick Launcher" kicker panel applet, click the little upward arrow on the applet handle and see "Quick Launcher Menu -> Add Application" |
| 12:48.34 | Sho_ | sephknows: But note that you can generally just drag apps to the panel too, the Quick Launcher applet is primarily for dynamically showing the most used apps (see the options) |
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| 12:48.53 | Sho_ | Windwalker: Couple of years |
| 12:49.12 | sephknows | Sho_: ive tried to do this but what im tryin to drag in there is a bash script |
| 12:50.19 | Sho_ | sephknows: Dragging a bash script that has the exutable bit set onto the pannel should bring up a dialog called "Non-KDE Application Configuration" that lets you put in a name and chose an icon, and after clicking "Ok", you'll have it on your panel |
| 12:50.25 | Sho_ | *executable |
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| 12:50.59 | Windwalker | Ony 2 month for me. This is my 1 week with kde. I am using cyrillic. Do you know how to swith kbd layouts with ctrl+shift. Just tested these and they did not work: |
| 12:51.01 | Windwalker | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=451111&highlight=layouts |
| 12:51.11 | Windwalker | and this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=264861&highlight=how+to+get+layouts |
| 12:51.21 | Sho_ | sephknows: Note that the panel needs to be unlocked (right click -> Unlock Panels), otherwise you can't drag anything on or in it |
| 12:53.06 | sephknows | Sho_: how can i add a permanent keyboard shortcut to a app? |
| 12:53.26 | sephknows | Sho_: i tried the one in the menu button for the app (default top leftest corner) but thats temp until window closes |
| 12:53.47 | Windwalker | I had no probs with gnome? I see keyboard shortucts in kxkb GUI, general shortucts GUI and xorg.conf? What do I do? |
| 12:54.08 | sephknows | Sho_: oh also i remember about makin a shortcut onto the quicklaunch bar thingy, but i cant change its icon (either in Konqueror or the QL bar) |
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| 12:54.33 | Sho_ | sephknows: KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts lets you configure shortcuts for apps in the menu; "Input Actions" in the same KControl section lets you set up shortcut triggers for arbitrary commands |
| 12:55.02 | Sho_ | sephknows: I recommend dragging the script onto the panel directly rather than using the Quick Launcher applet, as described above |
| 12:56.09 | Sho_ | Windwalker: KControl -> Regional Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts has a "Switch to Next Keyboard Layout" at the bottom that lets you configure a shortcut to do just that |
| 12:56.11 | sephknows | Sho_: right thats what im doin |
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| 12:56.19 | sephknows | Sho_: but i cant change the icon of the script file in KDE |
| 12:56.25 | sephknows | Sho_: is there a tricky way to do so? |
| 12:56.27 | Sho_ | Windwalker: However note that Ctrl and Shift are both modifiers, so they cannot be used as a shortcut by themselves |
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| 12:57.16 | Sho_ | sephknows: You'd need to write a .desktop file for your script application, which is how normal apps do it |
| 12:57.29 | sephknows | urgh, sounds tricky |
| 12:57.36 | Sho_ | sephknows: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ |
| 12:57.38 | sephknows | Sho_: some sort of guide fror this? |
| 12:57.40 | sephknows | oh |
| 12:57.47 | Windwalker | Sho_, but I have seen this in slack personally and I saw 2 posts of people who did it too? I know they are modifiers and other shourtcuts might stop working with ctrl+shift, but I wish ti know if there is a way. |
| 12:59.18 | Sho_ | Windwalker: Linux is pretty flexible technology, and yes, there are numerous ways to do this, for example by using something like xbindkeys to bind arbitrary keyboard events to a dcop command to switch the keyboard layout, or rewriting some of the keyboard layout definition files, etc. However all of those require some amount of technical skill and the explanation is generally outside of the scope of this channel. However I guess xbindkeys gives you |
| 12:59.18 | Sho_ | something to google for. |
| 12:59.35 | Sho_ | Windwalker: KDE itself does not allow modifier-only shortcuts |
| 13:00.16 | Windwalker | I will google for xbindkeys. 10x for the advanced info :) |
| 13:00.29 | sephknows | does anyone use something other than bash? |
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| 13:01.51 | Fuzzy76 | Under network folders in Konqueror. Are there any ways to add a sftp connection there easily? The wizard only does ftp or fish. |
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| 13:02.15 | Sho_ | sephknows: Many developers use zsh |
| 13:02.20 | sephknows | ah |
| 13:02.56 | Sho_ | Fuzzy76: Just make a link to a "sftp://user:password@host:port/path" location |
| 13:03.29 | Sho_ | Fuzzy76: Or "sftp://user@host:port/path", or "sftp://host:port/path", or "sftp://host/path" ... you know what I mean ;) |
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| 13:04.17 | Fuzzy76 | Where do I put this link to have it show up in "remote:/" ? |
| 13:06.09 | Sho_ | Fuzzy76: ~/.kde/share/apps/remoteview stores the links as .desktop files ... you could just add one as ssh, open the .desktop file with a text editor and replace fish with sftp |
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| 13:06.48 | Fuzzy76 | thanks :) |
| 13:07.34 | Sho_ | I guess the wizard should probably show SFTP, or even default to it when "ssh" is chosen |
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| 13:08.16 | benJIman | fish works in more cases, so is possibly a safer default. |
| 13:08.22 | Fuzzy76 | You wouldn't know what I should use for portnumber for sftp? ;) |
| 13:08.33 | Sho_ | Fuzzy76: the ssh port |
| 13:08.39 | benJIman | Fuzzy76: it's usually 22 which is the default if you specify no port number |
| 13:08.42 | Fuzzy76 | same as fish tjen :) |
| 13:09.10 | Fuzzy76 | yay! It worked, thanks. :) |
| 13:09.17 | Sho_ | Fuzzy76: Yeah. The difference is that SFTP is an actual protocol layered over SSH, whereas fish uses commands like ls etc. on the remote side to do its job |
| 13:10.12 | Sho_ | Or I think it actually copies over a Perl script and uses that |
| 13:10.12 | Sho_ | In any case, Fish is terribly hacky |
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| 13:10.13 | Fuzzy76 | Yeah, I figured that out as well. I was hoping sftp might provide better throughput and less stress on computers involved. |
| 13:10.39 | Fuzzy76 | I'm on a 2mbit line shared by 40 users and copying 60.000 files :-/ |
| 13:10.44 | Sho_ | SFTP is probably faster, yeah |
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| 13:14.40 | visik7 | how can I benefit from kwn compiz integration in kde 3.5.5 if kwin is impossible to run while compiz is running ? |
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| 13:17.17 | Commanace | hm... is there an elegant way to print a custom format on an A4 Paper unsing the KDE Printing Dialog? I could try and set individual margins, but thats kinda fiddly i think... |
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| 13:22.23 | Sho_ | visik7: kwin has no compiz integration in 3.5.5 |
| 13:22.47 | Sho_ | visik7: kwin has gained support for a concept introduced by compiz called "viewports". also, the pager applet in kicker now works with viewports. |
| 13:23.11 | Sho_ | visik7: compiz is a window manager. you can't have two window managers at the same time. |
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| 13:26.26 | Windwalker | Sho_, do you have some knowledge in Gnome? If so, is there a way to edit (not add) items the right click on desktop? |
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| 13:27.31 | Sho_ | Windwalker: This channel is for KDE user-support, Gnome is off-topic here, sorry. |
| 13:27.57 | Windwalker | ok |
| 13:28.23 | WorkRoey | hi all |
| 13:28.33 | WorkRoey | does flash9 work for debian, anyone know? |
| 13:29.13 | Sho_ | WorkRoey: It's as static as static can be, so it should probably work just about anywhere |
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| 13:30.18 | WorkRoey | Sho_: oh, woot. |
| 13:30.19 | WorkRoey | thanks |
| 13:30.31 | WorkRoey | what is the difference between flash and shockwave ? |
| 13:30.31 | visik7 | anyone know how to remove borders of an app via dcop ? |
| 13:31.25 | Sho_ | WorkRoey: Technologically, ShockWave is an entirely different application platform, although the ShockWave brand is also used to market Flash nowadays |
| 13:31.58 | Sho_ | WorkRoey: Aside from browser 3d content ShockWave is mostly dead nowadays |
| 13:32.24 | Sho_ | WorkRoey: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_13971 |
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| 13:40.58 | visik7 | I need to open 4 konsole window resize to a quarter of the screen and remove border and menus can I do it via dcop or have I do it by hand ? |
| 13:41.02 | Windwalker | Bye Sho_. All the best. Bye everybody. |
| 13:41.14 | Sho_ | Windwalker: bye |
| 13:41.33 | Sho_ | visik7: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22482 |
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| 13:42.07 | visik7 | I know that app but I would to know if it possible do it via dcop |
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| 13:42.40 | Sho_ | visik7: Moving and resizing yes, removing borders not. But you can use kwin's application- and window-specific settings (see KControl) to disable borders. |
| 13:44.13 | visik7 | why removing border that is a simple task isn't implemented ? |
| 13:44.58 | Sho_ | visik7: Presumably because nobody cared enough to do it, which would indicate that it's not an often-requested feature |
| 13:45.06 | visik7 | :( |
| 13:45.14 | Sho_ | visik7: Of course you're welcome to submit a patch |
| 13:45.23 | Sho_ | (since it's simple according to you) |
| 13:45.38 | visik7 | I even't don't know where to start to implement a dcop cal l:) |
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| 13:48.10 | Sho_ | visik7: As I said, you could make a window-specific settings rule that disables borders when a window matches it (e.g. by window title), and then use dcop or wmctrl to change the window title from a script, triggering the rule, removing the borders |
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| 13:48.28 | Jucato | whoa.. that's being creative :P |
| 13:48.44 | visik7 | ok wmctrl seems a better way |
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| 13:52.25 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well the EWMH spec doesn't include anything on enabling/disabling decorations, and DCOP really works on an application- rather than window-level, so essentially you need to be creative |
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| 13:54.05 | Sho_ | visik7: You could try setting the window type to SPLASH or DOCK |
| 13:54.58 | Sho_ | if wmctrl can do that |
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| 13:55.33 | Jucato | ugh... we really need to have a FAQ or Wiki about KDE themes... :( |
| 13:56.05 | annma | Jucato: you mean to create a theme? |
| 13:56.19 | Sho_ | annma: He means to explain the terminology |
| 13:56.39 | Jucato | that and the "how do I install this theme" or "how do I theme KDE", etc... |
| 13:56.47 | annma | ah |
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| 13:56.52 | Sho_ | annma: Style vs. color scheme vs. theme - Gnome is creating some confusion by calling everything a theme |
| 13:56.57 | tuxick | you mean that's not documented? |
| 13:57.13 | annma | it's probably poorly documented |
| 13:57.20 | Jucato | the confusion starts when you consider that GNOME, KDE, and *cough* Windows use the word "theme" in different ways... |
| 13:57.22 | annma | doc is such a pain |
| 13:57.33 | annma | we use "theme" and "style" |
| 13:58.04 | Jucato | KDE-Look puts .kth "themes" and widget "styles" under the same category, making it a lot more confusing... |
| 13:58.10 | Sho_ | tuxick: Well, there are APIDOX of course |
| 13:58.15 | tuxick | themes.kde.org ! |
| 13:58.37 | annma | kde-look is not the best thing on the world |
| 13:59.03 | Jucato | yeah... :( |
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| 13:59.38 | Jucato | and the KDE Theme Manager/.kth system doesn't make things any easier... |
| 14:00.37 | Jucato | I guess most people coming from other OS's or DE's are used to thinking that a "theme" basically controls/customizes *everything* |
| 14:01.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: A KDE theme does just that - by selecting style, colors, fonts and icons |
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| 14:03.45 | Jucato | Sho_: except that the separate style, fonts, and icons must already be installed for it to work. if they're not installed, you'd have to install them. making a .kth "almost" (but not absolutely) useless... :( |
| 14:04.49 | Sho_ | Jucato: Technically, you can run into the same with Gnome. If you install a Clearlooks-derived Theme (essentially a color scheme) without the Clearlooks widget engine being installed, it won't work. UI-wise, Windows differenciates between themes and widget styles, too. |
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| 14:05.07 | annma | Jucato: if you write a text i can format it to include it in a doc |
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| 14:06.10 | Jucato | Sho_: yes, but most GNOME distros already have Clearlooks installed. The user never realizes the distinction. All he knows is that he dragged and dropped a theme, and viola! |
| 14:06.48 | Sho_ | Jucato: Yeah, but is selling a color scheme to the user as a theme really that much better? |
| 14:06.58 | Sho_ | Jucato: Personally I prefer the differenciation in KDE |
| 14:07.02 | Jucato | Sho_: of course not... |
| 14:07.15 | Jucato | I like the distinctions, too. |
| 14:07.21 | Sho_ | You could argue that the Gnome approach requires less education on the part of the user |
| 14:07.35 | Sho_ | But it buys that with less flexibility |
| 14:07.47 | Jucato | My issue is not with how KDE does things (except for the KDE Theme Manager) but the lack of a guide... |
| 14:08.03 | Jucato | annma: I'll seriously consider that once I get my PC back tomorrow |
| 14:08.17 | annma | :) annma@kde.org |
| 14:08.23 | Sho_ | Jucato: If you'll start one I'll gladly peer-review and contribute |
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| 14:08.35 | Sho_ | (hein@kde.org) |
| 14:08.44 | annma | :) and i'll hapily put it in docbook |
| 14:09.15 | Jucato | I wrote a very basic guide once, but I'm not sure how factually correct/complete it was. and it was in response to a forum question (in Ubuntu) |
| 14:09.35 | annma | Jucato: if you start, then it's already that done |
| 14:09.52 | annma | Sho_ knows a lot, he can contribute as well |
| 14:10.02 | annma | we can achieve something nice |
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| 14:10.18 | Jucato | ok I'll try searching for it... |
| 14:10.22 | annma | i would write more docs for KDE but i don't know enough on many subjects |
| 14:10.28 | Jucato | I'm not really confident facing great people :) |
| 14:10.45 | vesuv | Then face me and talk to them. |
| 14:10.51 | vesuv | If it helps. |
| 14:10.53 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:10.57 | Sho_ | Jucato: What usually counts the most is actually starting something |
| 14:11.03 | annma | exactly |
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| 14:11.29 | annma | and you'll have your name in kde |
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| 14:12.49 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 14:14.18 | Jucato | err... the instructions I gave use System Settings, not KControl... |
| 14:14.29 | Jucato | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3 |
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| 14:16.27 | annma | Jucato: hey, great |
| 14:16.43 | annma | we just have to change System Settings to KControlCenter |
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| 14:17.03 | vesuv | Hey, just send me the document to. |
| 14:17.18 | vesuv | schwarzmann@gmail.com (yeah, no fancy @kde stuff) |
| 14:17.25 | Jucato | lol |
| 14:17.34 | Sho_ | Jucato: It should probably start with a short intro text on visual customization in general, then proceed on to introducing the different types conceptually and where they can be set (putting Themes last since it depends on the former), and then sum it all up with a little glossary table |
| 14:17.44 | Jucato | oh, I think I left out instructions for .kth files there... |
| 14:18.08 | Jucato | Sho_: um.. ok :) |
| 14:18.44 | peppelorum | How can execute a dcop command in a notification, cause dcop kopete thingie doesn't do something, do I have to have `dcop kopete thingie` or something? |
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| 14:19.45 | Sho_ | peppelorum: Could you start by explaining what exactly you want to do with dcop? |
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| 14:20.56 | peppelorum | Sho_: When a big break starts in rsibreak I want to set kopete to away, so I used a dummy call, the full command is "dcop kopete KopeteIface setAway" |
| 14:21.20 | peppelorum | But what dcop command I want to run is irrelevant |
| 14:21.49 | Sho_ | peppelorum: Ok, that call does exist |
| 14:22.16 | Jucato | Sho_, annma: I'll work on this tomorrow when I get my Linux PC back. I appreciate any suggestion (specially about that "intro text on visual customization in general" part :) |
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| 14:22.36 | peppelorum | Well of course kopete doesn't have commande called "thingie";-) |
| 14:24.03 | Sho_ | Jucato: Just a few lines introducing the general concept that customizing the visuals can be done quite flexibly by controlling different parts of the appearance independently, and that the following text introduces those parts and how they fit together |
| 14:24.21 | Jucato | ah ok. that one :) |
| 14:24.27 | Sho_ | Jucato: Imagine that the text tries to answer the question "Can I change the visual apperance of my KDE desktop?" |
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| 14:26.01 | Jucato | great! thanks! |
| 14:26.26 | Jucato | I'll be using KControl. It's consistent through all distros, right? |
| 14:27.08 | annma | yes |
| 14:27.16 | annma | KControl is from KDE |
| 14:27.20 | Sho_ | Jucato: Doesn't really need to be long or verbose or anything, the more consise it is the better the chance that it gets actually read |
| 14:27.31 | peppelorum | Well, I had to put the small dcop commands in seperate script files... |
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| 14:28.29 | Jucato | ok. what format should I send the document in? HTML, ODT, ?? |
| 14:28.57 | Sho_ | Any of those would be fine for me, but annma is the DocBook master ;) |
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| 14:29.13 | annma | txt preferably |
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| 14:29.17 | annma | no HTML |
| 14:29.24 | Jucato | oh ok. txt it is then :) |
| 14:29.32 | annma | docbook is some tags like html |
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| 14:29.43 | Jucato | txt with absolutely no formatting |
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| 14:29.47 | ziabice | hi |
| 14:30.26 | annma | Jucato: :) excellent |
| 14:30.57 | Jucato | hehe. I'm getting sweaty hands from anxiety and excitement :P |
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| 14:32.43 | annma | lool |
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| 14:51.17 | _javi | hola |
| 14:51.45 | _javi | alguien me puede decir como instalo el amule o alguno similar |
| 14:51.57 | annma | English only please |
| 14:52.09 | _javi | why? |
| 14:52.12 | Tm_T | Hi annma. :) |
| 14:52.25 | _javi | :( |
| 14:52.34 | Jucato | this is an English-only channel... |
| 14:53.09 | Tm_T | _javi: You can't expect people to understand any language you happen to speak, so we use english as one common one. |
| 14:53.15 | Tm_T | Oh, he's gone... |
| 14:53.22 | Jucato | hm...l |
| 14:53.34 | Tm_T | Jucato: Hi. |
| 14:53.39 | Jucato | hi Tm_T :) |
| 14:54.09 | Jucato | you're not in #kubuntu-devel? |
| 14:54.13 | grothesk | That _javi had no kde related question anyway. |
| 14:54.34 | Tm_T | Jucato: That's correct. |
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| 14:55.02 | Jucato | :) |
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| 15:02.26 | cecule | Are there any efforts to make a "kpackagemanager" without this GTK stuff ? |
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| 15:03.11 | tafsen | When I try to play midi, I get this error "Player :: There are no midi ports !" |
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| 15:14.14 | cecule | Are there any efforts to make a "kpackagemanager" similar or on smart without this GTK stuff ? |
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| 15:14.56 | Sho_ | cecule: Probably a better question for #suse |
| 15:15.30 | suckacracka | anyone know an app that lets me limit the download or upload of a particular program? (speed and/or total bandwidth) |
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| 15:15.49 | cecule | Sho_: Why do you think so ? |
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| 15:16.44 | Sho_ | cecule: Because KDE makes no package managers, package managers are generally distro-specific tools, and Smart is used pretty exclusively on SuSE, afaik |
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| 15:17.29 | cecule | Sho_: THX, i didn't know this |
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| 15:18.08 | Jucato | so KPackage wasn't KDE"s official package manager? |
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| 15:19.07 | benJIman | Sho_: no smart is not an official suse tool. |
| 15:19.18 | Sho_ | Jucato: Not really ... KPackage is more of a failed attempt that never displaced distro-specific tools anyway, never got very far, and hasn't been touched in years |
| 15:19.18 | benJIman | Sho_: ubuntu might adopt it officially perhaps, it works on lots of distros. |
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| 15:19.47 | Sho_ | benJIman: I didn't say it was an official tool ;) |
| 15:20.24 | benJIman | Sho_: I use it on debian, wouldn't use it on SUSE. |
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| 15:20.56 | Sho_ | benJIman: Can hardly be worse than YaST, though? |
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| 15:21.13 | benJIman | Sho_: YaST's package management is quite capable, they just screwed it up for 10.1 |
| 15:21.19 | benJIman | 10.2 will be better than ever. |
| 15:21.22 | smacnay | hmm, suddenly kde (konq and smb4k) can't find any samba shares that are located using 'smbclient' |
| 15:21.24 | cecule | benJIman: :) thats right |
| 15:22.03 | Sho_ | benJIman: Hopefully. I tried out 10.1 Remastered recently for an hour or two (first SuSE since 7.something), and the package management UI was nearly incomprehensible and spewed obscure errors about unsuccessfull synchronization with ZenWorks |
| 15:22.07 | smacnay | no, strike that - smbclient doesn't find them either. |
| 15:22.12 | benJIman | There are lots of package managers you can use on SUSE: yast, zypper, smart, apt, yum, rug, y2pmsh. etc |
| 15:22.34 | benJIman | Sho_: that's just the zmd stuff which causes most of the problems, novell forced it into 10.1 |
| 15:22.58 | benJIman | Sho_: KDE won't require zmd in 10.2 as there is a new tray updater for KDE, gnome people will still have to live with it probably though. |
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| 15:23.56 | Sho_ | (Not to mention that it claimed to have recognized the monitor, but generated absurd modelines that put the monitor into signal out of range mode, requiring me to drop into a tty and fix it manually after installation - not the kind of thing I expect from SuSE, which I had assumed was at the forefront of the usable desktop thing) |
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| 15:24.44 | benJIman | Sho_: file a bug against sax2, normally it generates better modelines than X. |
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| 15:50.22 | AbsTradELic | Hi |
| 15:50.53 | AbsTradELic | can I say a suggestion to konqueror ? |
| 15:51.06 | Sho_ | AbsTradELic: http://bugs.kde.org/ |
| 15:51.16 | AbsTradELic | Sho_: no bug |
| 15:51.24 | Jucato | file a wishlist in bugs.kde.org |
| 15:51.24 | AbsTradELic | a suggestion |
| 15:51.24 | Sho_ | AbsTradELic: BKO is for wishes, too |
| 15:51.26 | pinotree | bugzilla is for wishes too |
| 15:51.42 | Jucato | if it's a good suggestion, others will vote for it |
| 15:51.49 | AbsTradELic | ok |
| 15:52.04 | Jucato | if it gets enough votes, devs will notice, much more than if you say it here :) |
| 15:52.39 | AbsTradELic | konqueror have remove optional item on popup menu |
| 15:52.53 | Jucato | ?? |
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| 15:53.52 | AbsTradELic | and I suggest on remove dialog confirmation put a checkbox inside remove file list to interactive remove dialog |
| 15:54.31 | AbsTradELic | on side of each listed item |
| 15:54.42 | AbsTradELic | to interactive confirmation |
| 15:54.45 | AbsTradELic | X;) |
| 15:54.53 | AbsTradELic | its easy to do |
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| 15:55.06 | AbsTradELic | and powerfull |
| 15:55.39 | AbsTradELic | allright ? |
| 15:56.24 | AbsTradELic | X;) |
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| 15:57.40 | Sho_ | AbsTradELic: This is a user-support channel. If you want developers to read your suggestion, please file a list at http://bugs.kde.org/ |
| 15:57.51 | Sho_ | *wishlist |
| 15:58.33 | AbsTradELic | ok... I will do it. but help me voting... ok ? |
| 15:59.03 | AbsTradELic | suggest it so |
| 15:59.14 | AbsTradELic | X;) |
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| 16:01.27 | AbsTradELic | many times I cancel a remove operation by one item selection bed |
| 16:01.37 | AbsTradELic | bad* |
| 16:02.17 | AbsTradELic | a checkbox beside solver it |
| 16:04.12 | AbsTradELic | delete operations is damagers |
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| 16:05.48 | Tallia1Kubuntu | guys, if i have an CD iso bootable image, can i add some other stuffs in the iso ( to be later writed to a DVD ) and obtain a DVD bootable iso? in the case i can, what do i have to use? |
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| 16:09.10 | AbsTradELic | Tallia1Kubuntu: hi |
| 16:09.30 | hkBst | Tallia1Kubuntu: check out how to make a bootable cd. Basically you need to point out some files. |
| 16:09.35 | AbsTradELic | I think in a soft but i never sude it |
| 16:09.43 | AbsTradELic | use it |
| 16:09.46 | AbsTradELic | used |
| 16:09.50 | AbsTradELic | never used |
| 16:10.26 | AbsTradELic | Tallia1Kubuntu: isomaster |
| 16:10.38 | AbsTradELic | you can try it |
| 16:10.55 | Tallia1Kubuntu | mh |
| 16:11.04 | Tallia1Kubuntu | but i already have a bootable image. |
| 16:11.26 | Tallia1Kubuntu | can't i simply add stuffs in it and still have a ( bigger ) working iso bootable image |
| 16:11.26 | Tallia1Kubuntu | ? |
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| 16:11.38 | AbsTradELic | Tallia1Kubuntu: exactry |
| 16:11.42 | AbsTradELic | exactly |
| 16:11.57 | Tallia1Kubuntu | so, just mount -o loop, add the stuffs i need and then umount? |
| 16:11.57 | hkBst | Tallia1Kubuntu: but isofs is not writable, you will need to copy it over to another filesystem and then later make a new bootable isofs |
| 16:11.58 | AbsTradELic | but I never work with this |
| 16:12.08 | Tallia1Kubuntu | ohhhhh |
| 16:12.33 | AbsTradELic | but its have a apropriate argument |
| 16:12.49 | AbsTradELic | to iso ediction |
| 16:12.55 | AbsTradELic | edition |
| 16:12.59 | AbsTradELic | X:) |
| 16:14.51 | AbsTradELic | Tallia1Kubuntu: I think you can add or remove files easy with it |
| 16:15.11 | AbsTradELic | and save then |
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| 16:23.15 | er4z0r | um folks: where can I get help with kmail? |
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| 16:23.40 | er4z0r | it suddenly started to try fetchin _all_ email in my GMX Account |
| 16:23.45 | er4z0r | not only the new mails |
| 16:23.47 | er4z0r | but all |
| 16:23.56 | er4z0r | ~ 1100 |
| 16:24.11 | AbsTradELic | Tallia1Kubuntu: hi! |
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| 16:25.06 | AbsTradELic | Tallia1Kubuntu: is your problem solved ? |
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| 16:27.02 | Tallia1Kubuntu | nope |
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| 16:29.03 | douglas | Hi. How can i get alt tab to scroll through apps on different desktops? right now it's isolated to what's on the active one |
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| 16:30.51 | er4z0r | please help me with kmail |
| 16:30.55 | er4z0r | where do I need to ask? |
| 16:31.05 | _n3storm | er4z0r: go ahead |
| 16:31.19 | er4z0r | douglas: you can configure that in the desktops menu I think |
| 16:31.42 | _n3storm | I'm not sure you can fix that now |
| 16:32.01 | er4z0r | _n3storm: I'm not even sure if the error is on client or server-side |
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| 16:32.15 | douglas | er4z0r: i tried start > settings > desktop > behavior and " > multiple desktops, no sign of anyting like this |
| 16:32.28 | er4z0r | but all other gmx-users i know don't have any problems |
| 16:32.47 | Sho_ | douglas: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Focus -> Navigation -> Traverse windows on all desktops |
| 16:33.02 | douglas | Nice. Thanks sho_ |
| 16:33.02 | er4z0r | Sho_: thanks |
| 16:33.23 | er4z0r | anyone having the same troubel with kmail and gmx-freemail right now? |
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| 16:35.02 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 16:35.11 | LinuxCart | anyone succeeded in using beryl¿? |
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| 17:33.41 | PhilRod | hrm, quiet. Did I accidentally ban half the world again? |
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| 17:41.59 | tuxick | konq went into lagmode again |
| 17:42.09 | tuxick | my kde is worse than windows |
| 17:43.22 | PhilRod | lagmode? |
| 17:44.09 | pinotree | PhilRod: LOL, no... peace, some time... |
| 17:44.40 | cbr | where can i set KDE's default browser? |
| 17:44.53 | PhilRod | control center -> kde components -> component chooser |
| 17:45.00 | PhilRod | ~changebrowser |
| 17:45.05 | apt | well, changebrowser is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html |
| 17:45.39 | tuxick | PhilRod: as in lagging like hell, 2 minutes before i get cursor on input line |
| 17:45.55 | PhilRod | 2 minutes? Never seen that |
| 17:45.59 | tuxick | tabs not responding |
| 17:46.03 | tuxick | 10 second redraws |
| 17:46.14 | tuxick | as if it's running from swap |
| 17:46.35 | PhilRod | but it's not swapping? |
| 17:46.39 | tuxick | not at all |
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| 17:46.47 | tuxick | rest of kde is ok |
| 17:47.02 | tuxick | this issue remained throughout several upgrades |
| 17:47.06 | tuxick | of gcc,qt and kde |
| 17:47.13 | PhilRod | distro? |
| 17:47.17 | tuxick | gentoo |
| 17:47.27 | PhilRod | what graphics card and driver are you using? |
| 17:47.35 | tuxick | nv on gf2 |
| 17:47.46 | tuxick | ut that's most certainly not the issue |
| 17:47.53 | tuxick | it's konq internal |
| 17:48.02 | tuxick | as if message queue/threading is screwed up |
| 17:48.12 | tuxick | no cpu load either |
| 17:48.37 | tuxick | bleh, i should try as new user |
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| 17:48.45 | PhilRod | always worth a try |
| 17:48.51 | tuxick | but problem is usually takes 2 days to kick in |
| 17:49.01 | cbr | what about making firefox take focus not depending on the desktop it's on, when an external link has been opened? |
| 17:49.06 | cbr | anybody have any experience with that? |
| 17:49.28 | cbr | thanks for the browser one, worked |
| 17:50.47 | PhilRod | cbr: I can't think of a way to do it via kde - you might want to ask in #firefox |
| 17:51.31 | cbr | ok, thank you |
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| 18:00.15 | shastry | whats the use of XF86Search key ? |
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| 18:04.51 | djack | hello world |
| 18:05.23 | djack | I have a NLD system and want to have more font options in "Konsole" |
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| 18:07.44 | djack | the real problem is that when i connect via vnc the cursor font is not ok :-( |
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| 18:22.18 | rhican | the icons in kde menu have all been replaced by the blue map thingie, is there an easy way to set them back to the normal ones? |
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| 18:50.11 | tuxick | bah |
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| 18:54.06 | wagi | hehe, I almost asked "hi, I'd like to set the default view mode in konqueror to detail lists. unfortunatly, i'm too stupid to find the switch to tell konqueror the setting. does someone know where to set it? thanks." before searching the web. of course already answered. thanks anyway :) |
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| 18:55.13 | blabj_ | wagi: whats the answer? ive thought about changing that before too |
| 18:55.38 | wagi | blabj_: "After you've select Detailed List View (View -> View Mode -> Detailed List View), then select the Settings -> Save View Profile "File Management" menu selection." |
| 18:56.01 | wagi | blabj_: so simple, right? :) |
| 18:56.31 | blabj_ | wagi: thx |
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| 19:00.40 | Roey | It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around |
| 19:00.40 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.45 | mariux | where would i find the code for the replace audio file dialog in konq? |
| 19:02.52 | mariux | is it in the kio code? |
| 19:04.25 | shining | grep |
| 19:04.35 | mariux | i havent really got all the code |
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| 19:04.50 | mariux | this will be my first patch if so |
| 19:04.53 | shining | just get kdebase and kdelibs |
| 19:05.02 | mariux | ahh ok |
| 19:05.18 | mariux | would it be hard to try out the new kdelibs if so? |
| 19:05.37 | shastry | i use kdm |
| 19:05.41 | shastry | and want a script to run at X start |
| 19:05.43 | shastry | how do i do that ? |
| 19:05.59 | shining | mariux: which one are you using? you should use 3.5.5 |
| 19:06.16 | mariux | 3.5.5 ofcorse |
| 19:06.33 | mariux | i mean, when i compile a new version to test the code changes i've done |
| 19:06.54 | mariux | do i have to log in and out after replacing the corresponding file or what |
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| 19:07.52 | shining | shastry: I have a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ dir here which may be for that purpose |
| 19:08.01 | shastry | oh |
| 19:08.13 | shastry | mmh |
| 19:08.22 | shastry | must be a gentoo specific thing? |
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| 19:08.52 | shastry | aleast how do i run a script on kde startup ? |
| 19:08.57 | shastry | will do for the timebeing |
| 19:09.11 | PhilRod | ~autostart |
| 19:09.21 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273 |
| 19:09.56 | mariux | thanks |
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| 19:10.44 | shastry | ok |
| 19:10.45 | shastry | well |
| 19:10.50 | shastry | i want to run some xmodmap stuff |
| 19:10.57 | shastry | how do i run it ? |
| 19:11.00 | shastry | any suggestions ? |
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| 19:13.17 | shining | mariux: if it's a lib, I'm not sure. if it's an app, you just need to restart it. konqueror generally stay in memory though, so you need to kill it |
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| 19:13.58 | LeVA | hi |
| 19:14.27 | mariux | ok |
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| 19:15.12 | Dr_willis | shastry, kde has that Autostart dir. you can put a script in there. |
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| 19:15.38 | shastry | Dr_willis: even scripts are executed ? or do they need to be in .desktop format ? |
| 19:15.51 | Dr_willis | shastry, you dont run .desktop things. :P |
| 19:16.02 | Dr_willis | i alwasy hear of scripts and links to executables in it. |
| 19:16.03 | shastry | heh ok |
| 19:16.19 | Dr_willis | Try it and see. :) |
| 19:16.38 | LeVA | anybody has an idea why KMail downloading mails from pop3 servers much slower than eg. TBird? is this a configuration issue, or is this a known problem with KMail? |
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| 19:16.54 | shining | mariux: you are compiling manually? (with make) |
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| 19:17.31 | mariux | i dont know yet :P |
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| 19:17.58 | buddafly | don't copy that floppy! |
| 19:18.07 | buddafly | uh uh what |
| 19:18.09 | buddafly | don't copy that floppy! |
| 19:18.13 | shining | mariux: it's much better for playing with the code |
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| 19:18.38 | mariux | shining: if im running the english version of kde, can i just grep for any string i see? |
| 19:18.47 | shining | mariux: try |
| 19:19.18 | buddafly | I hope I don't see anyone copying that floppy in here |
| 19:19.22 | buddafly | or I will have to SING |
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| 19:20.05 | shining | me I would like to know why konquy is so slow with ipv6. it's really awful |
| 19:20.14 | shining | other apps don't seem to have this problem |
| 19:21.05 | shining | not really slow, rather unreliable. name resolution failure all the time |
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| 19:21.46 | shastry | bbs |
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| 19:22.30 | shining | buddafly: please do |
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| 19:23.28 | thiago | shining: Konqy isn't slow with IPv6 |
| 19:23.33 | thiago | your network isn't set up properly. |
| 19:23.49 | shining | well it works fine |
| 19:23.54 | shining | though, it isn't ipv6 |
| 19:24.11 | shastry | i put the xmodmap script in .kde/env |
| 19:24.13 | shastry | but it doesn't work |
| 19:24.15 | thiago | that shouldn't be a problem. Mine isn't either and works just fine. |
| 19:24.44 | thiago | shining: can you get me a packet dump (tcpdump) of the name resolution failing? |
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| 19:24.50 | shastry | mmmh |
| 19:24.51 | shastry | bbs |
| 19:24.57 | thiago | I thought I had fixed all those problems back in KDE 3.4 time |
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| 19:26.23 | shastry | doesn't work :/ |
| 19:26.25 | shastry | i have a dbus thing there. it works |
| 19:26.27 | shastry | but xmodmap doesn't |
| 19:26.42 | thiago | shastry: is the script being even run? |
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| 19:26.50 | shastry | i'll check hold |
| 19:27.08 | shining | not for me. I only notice I've ipv6 loaded (as module or in kernel) when I start using konquy. and I've the problem for several months. I just didn't really care at first |
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| 19:27.36 | a9913 | how do i add xmms support to the media control applet? |
| 19:27.37 | thiago | shining: you mean, after you removed the "alias net-pf-10 off" line from modprobe.conf? |
| 19:27.38 | shining | I've only been using debian and ubuntu lately though, and their kde packages |
| 19:28.02 | shining | thiago: when I do that, it's fine |
| 19:28.19 | shining | thiago: hmm wait |
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| 19:29.04 | shining | thiago: when I've this line, it's fine. but ipv6 is not disabled by default |
| 19:29.05 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 19:29.30 | rindolf | Does Akregator support https:// URLs for feeds. |
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| 19:29.58 | rindolf | I have a feed that works for Konqi but doesn't in akregator. |
| 19:30.06 | thiago | shining: well, I need to know what happens in your case. |
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| 19:30.17 | Sho_ | rindolf: Could you give me that feed URL so I can test? |
| 19:30.23 | thiago | shining: the KDE name-lookup mechanism doesn't do IPv6 lookups if IPv6 isn't active. |
| 19:30.27 | rindolf | Sho_: sure. |
| 19:30.37 | rindolf | Sho_: https://rt.cpan.org/Search/Results.rdf?Query=Queue%20%3D%20'XML-RSS'%20AND%20(%20Status%20%3D%20'new'%20OR%20Status%20%3D%20'open'%20OR%20Status%20%3D%20'stalled'%20) |
| 19:30.39 | thiago | shining: though the very act of testing often turns IPv6 on. |
| 19:31.14 | Sho_ | rindolf: Well, that routes me to a CPAN login form ... that can't work without a cookie I guess |
| 19:31.35 | rindolf | Sho_: I see. |
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| 19:32.16 | Sho_ | rindolf: I don't know whether or not Akregator can draw upon the Konqueror cookie database |
| 19:32.43 | rindolf | Sho_: in konqueror it says save as RSS and after I save it - I see the RSS feed. |
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| 19:33.31 | shining | thiago: how does it turn ipv6 on ? |
| 19:34.24 | shining | thiago: also, by ipv6 not active, you mean ipv6 module loaded, but not used, right? |
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| 19:35.37 | shastry | works |
| 19:35.39 | shastry | all fine now |
| 19:35.41 | shastry | thanks |
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| 19:35.45 | shastry | btw |
| 19:35.47 | shastry | whats the command to edit bookmarks? |
| 19:36.17 | thiago | shining: KDE will cause the module to be loaded, if it isn't already loaded. |
| 19:36.30 | thiago | shining: unless it's specifically disabled. |
| 19:36.55 | rindolf | Hmmm... seems like rt.cpan.org customises his responses based on the user agent or other headers. |
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| 19:38.52 | LeVA | anybody has an idea why KMail downloading mails from pop3 servers much slower than eg. TBird? is this a configuration issue, or is this a known problem with KMail? |
| 19:39.13 | annma | what do you mean by slow? |
| 19:39.51 | shining | thiago: ok, so that's why it works fine when it's specifically disabled. because in this case, konqueror doesn't do ipv6 lookups, right? |
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| 19:40.23 | thiago | shining: it won't do IPv6 lookups, true. |
| 19:40.34 | thiago | shining: but doing them shouldn't be a problem, as I've told you |
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| 19:42.53 | shastry | is there a way to launch a .desktop file by commandline ? |
| 19:43.10 | shining | thiago: ok well, I just reproduced it, and I've a tcpdump. But I wonder if I didn't stop it too early (though I did it several seconds after the failure). And I don't remember how to copy/paste in screen :p |
| 19:43.15 | rehn | Where does kaddressbook store distribution lists? |
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| 19:43.51 | LaptopBrain | where do i go for support on valgrind? |
| 19:43.54 | rehn | shastry: "kfmclient exec", perhaps? |
| 19:43.59 | shastry | aha yes |
| 19:44.00 | shastry | ty |
| 19:44.58 | d0uglas | out of nowhere kde has started taking like 10 minutes to start.. once it's going though it works fine. What are some common causes of this or how might i go about diagnosing this? |
| 19:45.19 | LeVA | annma: ~20KByte / sec |
| 19:45.38 | rehn | d0uglas: Try starting with an empty session. |
| 19:46.38 | d0uglas | rehn: you mean make a fresh user? |
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| 19:47.11 | shastry | mmh |
| 19:47.12 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 19:47.20 | rehn | d0uglas: No, just select not to resume the session after logout. |
| 19:47.25 | shastry | how do i start a desktop in a standard kde location ? |
| 19:47.31 | shastry | how does kde launch menu entries ? |
| 19:47.34 | d0uglas | rehn: ok.. thanks |
| 19:48.22 | rehn | d0uglas: kcontrol, search for session, select "start with an empty session" |
| 19:48.41 | d0uglas | damn, still hanging in black after the splash screen.. might have to control alt backspace this mutha |
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| 19:49.12 | d0uglas | hope this isn't a job for badblocks |
| 19:50.19 | rehn | So what I want to do is to send a "mass email" to some people in my address book. Any suggestions? |
| 19:50.42 | aseigo | rehn: make a distribution list |
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| 19:51.16 | rehn | aseigo: But just using that, everyone will be in the To: field, right? |
| 19:51.32 | aseigo | rehn: you can put it in the Bcc field just as easily |
| 19:51.55 | rehn | aseigo: Yes, but bcc is impolite :-) |
| 19:52.54 | rehn | aseigo: So I though I'd run the list through a script to send the mails, but now I cant find where kaddressbook saved it. |
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| 19:53.23 | aseigo | rellis: `kde-config --localprefix`/share/apps/kabc |
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| 19:55.47 | shining | thiago: unfortunately, I don't know if there is any relevant informations in the tcpdump I made. could you look at it, and if it's wrong, I'll try again ? |
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| 19:56.16 | rehn | aseigo: Thanks! |
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| 20:03.27 | thiago | shining: can you copy&paste to rafb.net/paste/ ? |
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| 20:06.57 | shining | thiago: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TjKLAg81.html |
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| 20:09.48 | shastry | g'nite |
| 20:10.21 | shining | thiago: second one: http://rafb.net/paste/results/gTq1S257.html |
| 20:13.43 | thiago | shining: I don't see anything wrong |
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| 20:16.53 | shining | thiago: weird |
| 20:17.19 | thiago | what are you seeing wrong? |
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| 20:18.15 | shining | thiago: well, it failed to launch the page each time |
| 20:18.35 | shining | thiago: saying something like : <url>: unknown host |
| 20:19.30 | shining | thiago: then, when I click on reload, it generally works directly |
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| 20:28.32 | thiago | shining: I need to see the DNS packet dump of one of those pages and one only |
| 20:28.45 | thiago | I don't need your HTTP traffic either |
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| 20:31.46 | pinotree | jvolkman: --> #konversation |
| 20:32.09 | blabj_ | anyone know how I can find which method is tied to which button in kmail sources? In particular the "Load into Cache" button on the Address Book, LDAP config, "Offline Use..." dialog |
| 20:33.13 | shining | thiago: I don't know how to do that |
| 20:33.27 | thiago | shining: "tcpdump -pn port 53" |
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| 20:33.49 | thiago | shining: and I need one isolated incident. Seeing a problem in your whole browsing session doesn't help. |
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| 20:34.41 | zcat | is there a better way to refresh the kicker panel when it's background colors go screwy than restarting it? didn't seem to be a dcop interface to force a redraw |
| 20:35.00 | shining | thiago: well, I don't know exactly when it'll happen |
| 20:35.28 | shining | thiago: so I did a search in google, ran tcpdump, and click on each link one by one until it failed |
| 20:35.30 | Renze | zcat: 'dcop kicker kicker restart' is the best option, I believe |
| 20:36.02 | zcat | Renze, thanks. much better than pkill kicker ; sleep 1; kicker & |
| 20:36.24 | Renze | no problem |
| 20:37.27 | shining | thiago: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6vGlCn79.html |
| 20:38.21 | thiago | shining: how long did you run tcpdump for? |
| 20:38.59 | shining | thiago: it's still running, but nothing happened since |
| 20:39.12 | shining | thiago: also, the first request succeeded, so I didn't pasted it |
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| 20:42.10 | thiago | shining: from all that I can see, your DNS server isn't replying |
| 20:42.26 | shining | ah |
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| 20:43.29 | shining | but why does this never happen when I disable ipv6? |
| 20:43.35 | shining | and why doesn't it happen in mozilla? |
| 20:44.46 | thiago | your DNS server must be getting overflown with requests |
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| 20:47.55 | shining | thiago: hmm |
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| 20:51.08 | shining | thiago: so it seems konqueror does weird things in its queries |
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| 20:55.23 | shining | thiago: there is no way I can do that with mozilla, no matter how much I try to stress it. there is never overflow, trafic always goes in both direction |
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| 20:56.58 | shining | thiago: the output I pasted never happens with mozilla: 17 paquet (or whatever this is) in the same direction in a row |
| 20:57.04 | shining | from my laptop to my router |
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| 20:57.53 | abeul | hello |
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| 20:58.45 | sephknows | did we already discuss where i can get more styles and window decorations for KDE? |
| 20:59.00 | pinotree | www.kde-look.org ? |
| 20:59.17 | sephknows | oh no, through gentoo. ive since joined #gentoo-kde to ask them, since you might not know |
| 20:59.48 | Renze | sephknows: make ebuilds that download from kde-look |
| 21:00.05 | Liquid_Fire | there are a few in portage, just emerge them |
| 21:00.12 | sephknows | hmm i wish i knew what an ebuild was, specificalluy. |
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| 21:00.39 | Renze | you use gentoo and don't know what an ebuild is? |
| 21:01.02 | Liquid_Fire | not impossible.. i didn't know what an ebuild was the first few weeks of using gentoo |
| 21:01.06 | shining | thiago: also most of the times in konqueror, the resolution is very slow, but it eventually works |
| 21:02.03 | Renze | Liquid_Fire: I guess I'm different... I researched before installing :) |
| 21:02.34 | Shadow_mil | how do I get amarok to research my collection folder? |
| 21:02.38 | sephknows | i know somewhat how portage works.. emerge does most of it for me... |
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| 21:03.17 | Renze | sephknows: an ebuild is a gentoo "package" - although it is more like a set of instructions on how to build said package |
| 21:03.26 | Liquid_Fire | Shadow_mil: Tools -> Rescan Collection |
| 21:03.42 | magicbronson | can anyone tell me how to move something to the trash from the command line? (i.e. what directory it corresponds to?) |
| 21:03.52 | Shadow_mil | Liquid_Fire: its grayed out |
| 21:04.00 | sephknows | Renze: for example, an ebuild says "okay, you want to emerge 'KDE' so lets make sure you have 'QT' and 'Xorg' etc" right? |
| 21:04.14 | Liquid_Fire | Shadow_mil: then you've set it to constantly watch your collection dir(s), so you shouldn't need to |
| 21:04.17 | sephknows | Renze: bad example (dont need QT for KDE possibly) but is that it? |
| 21:04.20 | Renze | magicbronson: unfortunately, the trash system needs some extra information as to where the file came from and stuff... using the commandline will not create this information |
| 21:04.31 | Liquid_Fire | Shadow_mil: if you really want to, just disable the watching in the config, rescan, and enable it again |
| 21:04.33 | Shadow_mil | Liquid_Fire: but it has not added my new songs |
| 21:04.41 | Renze | sephknows: that's a very simplistic example, but yes that is part of what an ebuild does |
| 21:04.54 | Shadow_mil | Liquid_Fire: how do I disable constant watching? |
| 21:04.55 | sephknows | Renze: i think he means to move *to* trash, which would be like /home/<user>/Trash in KDE |
| 21:04.57 | magicbronson | Renze: so if you configure your desktop to not show icons, there's no way to send something to the trash? |
| 21:05.04 | sephknows | Renze: ah ok. |
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| 21:05.15 | sephknows | Renze: so im completely right and theres nothing more to it, you say? |
| 21:05.17 | Shadow_mil | Liquid_Fire: found it |
| 21:05.18 | Liquid_Fire | Shadow_mil: Collection -> Watch folders for changes |
| 21:05.32 | magicbronson | if so, there ought to be a kde command line utility for it |
| 21:05.37 | Renze | sephknows: there is more to it, but this is the wrong channel to discuss it |
| 21:05.42 | sephknows | ;) |
| 21:05.51 | sephknows | Renze: well ive a betterquestion now |
| 21:06.03 | Shadow_mil | Liquid_Fire: I disabled it and its still grayed out |
| 21:06.04 | Renze | magicbronson: you could always add a trash applet to your panel |
| 21:06.18 | sephknows | Renze: you are familiar with Windows, and how it saves the position and size of a specific app each time you exit, and uses that when you open it again? |
| 21:06.18 | Liquid_Fire | how about kfmclient move foo.bar trash:/ |
| 21:06.27 | Renze | sephknows: I haven't touched Windows since 1998 |
| 21:06.48 | sephknows | Renze: well do you get what im gettin at? it isnt only for windows, but i am about to ask how to make it work in KDE... |
| 21:06.51 | magicbronson | Liquid_Fire: now i'm getting something interesting... what is this kfmclient? |
| 21:07.19 | Liquid_Fire | it's a utility to do some KDE stuff from the command line |
| 21:07.47 | Renze | sephknows: control centre -> desktop -> special window settings, create a new rule for any window that has the "remember" option selected |
| 21:07.56 | Renze | I'm really starting to hate my ISP |
| 21:08.02 | sephknows | Renze: see, ive used the KControl -> Desktop -> Specific-Window Settings -> make New... rule, leave the name blank, and then edit Placement to be Remember (and size too) but then it remembers the setting, but forces ALL newly launched apps to use it! for example, if i resize or move Gaim, and then open Firefox, it will cover Gaim exactly... |
| 21:08.13 | sephknows | Renze: heh i should type quicker |
| 21:08.46 | Renze | sephknows: apart from that, there is no way I know of. I prefer to set remember for a small subset of windows, personally. |
| 21:09.00 | d0uglas | k3b hangs on the splash screen at Creating GUI... i purge/reinstalled it, same problem.. running as root doesn't make a difference. any thoughts? |
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| 21:09.11 | Renze | others I let open where they may |
| 21:09.11 | sephknows | Renze: ah this makes sense. i only need it for about 5 windows i guess |
| 21:09.25 | Renze | sephknows: just set it for those windows then :) |
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| 21:10.03 | sephknows | Renze: ill give it a shot, eh? |
| 21:10.11 | Shadow_mil | help! |
| 21:10.12 | Shadow_mil | Amarok currently cannot play MP3 files. |
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| 21:11.19 | Liquid_Fire | what engine |
| 21:12.14 | Shadow_mil | Liquid_Fire: I don't have the codecs installed, I am installing them now |
| 21:12.54 | sephknows | Renze: ah new question... lets say i want a Global Shortcut for a program, but i DONT want that program in my main KDE Menu. how would i solve for Y? |
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| 21:14.49 | shining | thiago: why are there twice more packets with konqueror than with mozilla? http://rafb.net/paste/results/6RWGZ239.html |
| 21:15.01 | shining | thiago: also konquy often sends several packets in a row |
| 21:15.14 | Liquid_Fire | sephknows: i just shove it in some place in the Kmenu i don't use often :) however, there's Control Center -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions |
| 21:16.08 | sephknows | Liquid_Fire: heh. cheater =P |
| 21:16.19 | sephknows | im gonna start contributing to the KDE code. |
| 21:16.26 | sephknows | im gonna be the lead programmer in a few hours |
| 21:16.48 | sephknows | shoot, i hope the lead programmer doesnt die by accident. if so, ill be considered a suspect now =( |
| 21:17.24 | cryptonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.29 | cryptonic | http://www.kde-forum.org/thread.php?threadid=15453 |
| 21:17.46 | cryptonic | id apreciate if people tell me what they think? |
| 21:18.20 | novas0x2a | using whatever the default style/etc is, i ran a kde app that modified the default font i was using in xfce. I actually really liked that font, but i want to keep the rest of my theme control within gtk. Any idea what that font was? (unfortunately, i'm not sure i'd recognize the font, i just know i liked it) |
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| 21:18.45 | novas0x2a | it was sort of squarishly-serifed |
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| 21:27.31 | noteventime | 'ello |
| 21:28.01 | noteventime | Is it just my impression or will Ruby be more important in KDE4 than python? |
| 21:28.32 | pinotree | nothing is decided yet, afaik |
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| 21:30.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hey as any one here ever used KWlan ? |
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| 21:31.54 | shining | yes konqueror really overflows the dns server with its requests |
| 21:32.06 | shining | it's crazy, it asks the same ip like a billion time |
| 21:32.22 | shining | that's why it's so slow, and that's why it often doesn't work |
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| 22:16.02 | Sutoka | cryptonic: i'd recommend posting kde4 ideas to kde-look's kde4 brainstorming section |
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| 22:43.17 | hagabaka | what program can i use to print a big image to multiple sheets of paper in a collage? |
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| 22:47.52 | sid | I'm having a computer technology festival at my school, the theme is free/libre software + entertainment technology. I was hoping someone from KDE could come give a talk and/or demo. My school is Farmingdale State University in New York. |
| 22:48.25 | sid | Is there a marketing channel for kde? or just the mailing list? |
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| 22:49.58 | matt_ | hello, is it possiable to disable the trash feature in konqueror ? |
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| 22:50.17 | matt_ | so when i right click and click move to trash it will do the same as rm -rf ? |
| 22:50.23 | matt_ | or press del |
| 22:50.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | you can add a dialog to delete instead of trashing |
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| 22:50.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | I think the standard keybind may be shitf+delete |
| 22:51.23 | matt_ | SAS_Spidey01, ok :) how do i add a dialog ? |
| 22:51.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | it's in konquerors options |
| 22:52.37 | matt_ | oh yea |
| 22:52.42 | matt_ | lol, didn't see that before |
| 22:52.46 | matt_ | cheers :) |
| 22:53.08 | Deformative-II | How do you make konversation spell check?/// |
| 22:53.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | it does spell checking... ? |
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| 22:55.38 | matt_ | ok i have another question, is it possiable to add a directory option to the create new menu |
| 22:55.43 | matt_ | all i have is link to device |
| 23:00.48 | Dr_willis | The first item i have is "new folder" |
| 23:01.14 | matt_ | i dont :( |
| 23:01.23 | Dr_willis | and about 20 oter things.. then link to device.. |
| 23:01.28 | Dr_willis | never noticed THAT befor., :) |
| 23:01.33 | matt_ | lol |
| 23:01.46 | matt_ | i'm not running a full kde tho |
| 23:02.00 | matt_ | just like konqueror n some other things |
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| 23:02.10 | matt_ | that depend on kdelibs |
| 23:02.16 | Dr_willis | i always found the 'create new...' stuff to be some what lacking.. i never really use them.. and they just seem a weird way to do it. |
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| 23:02.38 | Dr_willis | all you are doing is making a file with a name, to launch a app.... |
| 23:03.05 | Dr_willis | its very poorly done under windows. :) not messed with it under kde much. |
| 23:03.23 | matt_ | i use idesk for that |
| 23:03.27 | matt_ | well desktop icons |
| 23:03.37 | Dr_willis | at least the RIght-Click menu on the desktop dosent collect tons of USLESS stuff like it does on windows. |
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| 23:03.50 | Dr_willis | about all i do with it under windows is "new folder" and they move it way to the bottom |
| 23:04.27 | Dr_willis | stupid ati drivers put their own icon at the top..... *end of windows rant* |
| 23:04.28 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 23:04.57 | matt_ | erm.. ok |
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| 23:10.28 | Deformative-II | <windows rant> Sticky keys is the only thing that ever works on windows, everything can lock up, you can not even move the mouse, but you better believe if you press shift 5 times, stickey keys WILL appear. What a great example of turning a bug into a feature. </windows rant> |
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| 23:11.34 | matt_ | really ? |
| 23:11.39 | matt_ | i never notised that before |
| 23:11.43 | Deformative-II | Works at school. |
| 23:11.44 | Deformative-II | Yeah. |
| 23:11.46 | matt_ | lol |
| 23:12.08 | Deformative-II | ctrl+alt+delete will not work, but sticky keys does. |
| 23:12.17 | Deformative-II | The mouse will be uber lagged. |
| 23:12.28 | Deformative-II | And have like 2 second lag or so. |
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| 23:12.30 | matt_ | should create an app that remaps shiftx5 to run notepad.exe |
| 23:12.37 | Dr_willis | heh - yea.. lets enable stuff like that by default. |
| 23:13.00 | argonel | looking for some mouse cursors for someone with visual impairments, is there a drop-in set for kde? |
| 23:13.02 | Deformative-II | But stickey keys will will appear the milisecond the fifth shift is pressed. |
| 23:13.19 | SimAtWork | argonel: i think the high contrast ones are in there by default? |
| 23:13.24 | Dr_willis | Deformative-II, and that will always be right in the middle of a death match. |
| 23:13.25 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 23:13.36 | matt_ | lol |
| 23:13.38 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 23:13.39 | SimAtWork | maybe not |
| 23:13.44 | matt_ | yea i have done that before |
| 23:13.48 | argonel | not here on kubuntu, anyway |
| 23:13.49 | matt_ | well annoying |
| 23:13.56 | SimAtWork | argonel: go to theme manager |
| 23:13.58 | MinceR | you can actually disable sticky keys |
| 23:14.00 | SimAtWork | and pick one of the high contrast ones |
| 23:14.20 | Deformative-II | MinceR, not at my school. |
| 23:14.21 | argonel | SimAtWork: all i see are red ones, probably not loaded by default in kbu |
| 23:14.34 | Deformative-II | They have usess safe gaurds that they think will stop us from messing stuff up. |
| 23:14.55 | MinceR | i see |
| 23:14.58 | Dr_willis | heck at work they got the whole right-click on the desktop disabled. |
| 23:15.00 | Deformative-II | Yet we can still reformat, and we can still get into regedit.exe.....o.o;;; |
| 23:15.02 | MinceR | well, whoever forces others to use windoze can be expected to do other evil things. |
| 23:15.03 | Dr_willis | and the FILE menu in the browser |
| 23:15.16 | Dr_willis | but then they use IE as the browser..... |
| 23:15.23 | MinceR | though then you might be able to turn it off via regedit and the right knowledge :) |
| 23:15.36 | Deformative-II | THey use IE as the browser, the file manager, to draw the desktop, and the taskbar as well |
| 23:15.50 | MinceR | -- which can be obtained by turning it on and off on a computer you control and watching how the registry changes |
| 23:15.57 | argonel | SimAtWork: i have some called "redglass", is that the correct one? |
| 23:16.14 | MinceR | there might be a program that tracks this; or you could save it to text files and diff them :) |
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| 23:37.52 | Gray9Mar_ | hi. when trying to mount an cd media via media:/ i get the error http://rafb.net/paste/results/j0eICF30.html |
| 23:38.25 | Gray9Mar_ | does anyone have an idea what going wrong here? |
| 23:39.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | not seeing any thing useful |
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| 23:40.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | A security policy in place prevents this sender e.t.c. |
| 23:40.52 | Gray9Mar_ | hhm |
| 23:42.11 | Gray9Mar_ | <allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.Hal"/> |
| 23:42.12 | Gray9Mar_ | <allow receive_sender="org.freedesktop.Hal"/> |
| 23:42.38 | Gray9Mar_ | added these lines to /etc/dbus-1/system.conf as suggested in http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_D-BUS%2C_HAL%2C_KDE_media:/ |
| 23:42.55 | Gray9Mar_ | restarted dbus and hal but i doesnt work |
| 23:43.15 | Renze | I never had to add those lines in gentoo, and it all works sweetly here |
| 23:43.47 | Renze | do you have pmount installed? |
| 23:43.53 | Gray9Mar_ | jep |
| 23:44.16 | Renze | user is in the appropriate group? |
| 23:44.26 | Gray9Mar_ | plugdev? yes |
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| 23:44.38 | Renze | how about "cdrom" ? |
| 23:44.50 | Gray9Mar_ | rechecking |
| 23:45.19 | Gray9Mar_ | jep, in there |
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| 23:45.32 | Gray9Mar_ | but wait, lemme restart the whole x session |
| 23:45.40 | Renze | weird... I didn't have to do anything special to get it working in gentoo |
| 23:45.53 | Renze | it just worked "out of the box" |
| 23:46.18 | Gray9Mar_ | hhm strange, this is an fresh stage3 box |
| 23:46.35 | Gray9Mar_ | alright, sorry |
| 23:46.42 | Renze | I installed over two years ago, stage1 |
| 23:46.58 | Gray9Mar_ | had to restart whole X so that the group changes are working |
| 23:47.06 | Renze | ok |
| 23:47.14 | Gray9Mar_ | seems to work now, thx |
| 23:47.21 | Renze | no problem |
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| 23:47.59 | Gray9Mar_ | btw kde is very usable with these features, thx to all devs |
| 23:48.00 | Gray9Mar_ | ;) |
| 23:48.36 | Gray9Mar_ | which reminds me that mounting dmcrypt/cryptsetup devices would be nice too |
| 23:49.03 | doctorwhite | what is most kde friendly distro? |
| 23:49.22 | Gray9Mar_ | gentoo is very current |
| 23:49.22 | Renze | any that don't alter KDE :) |
| 23:49.27 | Gray9Mar_ | hehe |
| 23:49.39 | Sutoka | doctorwhite: thats a hard question, some would say Kubuntu, some openSuSE, some PCLinuxOS, and many many others |
| 23:49.46 | maxell | hi. is the ubuntu start panel (usb) also available for kde ? |
| 23:49.47 | Sutoka | Renze: theres goes kubuntu! |
| 23:49.54 | Renze | Sutoka: absolutely! |
| 23:50.06 | Sutoka | maxell: whats the 'ubuntu start panel'? |
| 23:50.48 | maxell | Sutoka: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/2/Screenshot-19.png&imgrefurl=http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php%3Fphoto%3D3141%26size%3Dbig&h=1024&w=1280&sz=1021&hl=de&start=4&tbnid=DcS1j8GOUdsrHM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dubuntu%2Bsystem%2Bpanel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN |
| 23:51.00 | Renze | that's one hell of a URL |
| 23:51.04 | maxell | :) |
| 23:51.08 | maxell | no tiny url |
| 23:51.10 | Sutoka | maxell: that looks like a gnome menu, so no |
| 23:51.16 | maxell | :( |
| 23:51.39 | maxell | also i can't force it to work with kde i guess |
| 23:51.59 | Sutoka | you would have to re-write it to work with Kicker |
| 23:52.19 | maxell | :) |
| 23:53.04 | qupada | i was about to say 'omg wtf', but then i realised we're dealing with gnome, fairly standard yuck |
| 23:54.10 | qupada | i really don't get how wasting screen space with two taskbars is going to help, or how it would increase productivity when they're at opposite sides of the screen |
| 23:55.07 | Sutoka | but... thats how apple does it! :-O |
| 23:55.38 | Renze | $FACELESS_CORPORATION can kiss my ass :D |
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| 23:57.33 | Sutoka | whats the point of saying what theme you're running in the menu? |
| 23:57.44 | Sutoka | and the kernel name... |
| 23:57.46 | qupada | in case you forget? |
| 23:58.23 | Sutoka | if i forgot, i would want it to take up even MORE of the menu than that... |
| 23:59.01 | Sutoka | ugh, looking at it i can't stand the spacing and alignment of the 'Places' and 'System Management' section |
| 23:59.29 | Sutoka | for some reason they don't look like they're supposed to be menu items/buttons to me, but simply a list |
| 23:59.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | Haha, in writing a warning: "There is no trash can in the command line" I just figured out how tomake one |
