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| 00:06.44 | DexterF | Sutoka: had to fresh, all fine, thanks |
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| 00:14.46 | eldowan | Does the composite extensions not work with the panel(s)? Is the only transparency options for the panel(s) the background transparency? |
| 00:15.02 | Renze | the panel only has fake transparency |
| 00:15.05 | Renze | at the moment |
| 00:15.12 | eldowan | Renze: Thats what I thought. Thanks. |
| 00:15.14 | Sutoka | eldowan: yes, currently |
| 00:15.48 | eldowan | Sutoka: Renze: you two seem to be the gurus today :D |
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| 00:16.00 | Renze | no, just bored :D |
| 00:16.42 | eldowan | So using a background image that is transparent for the panel packground would do nothing? |
| 00:16.54 | eldowan | Sutoka: FF7 :D :D |
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| 00:17.23 | Renze | Sutoka: ah, memories... I loved that game |
| 00:17.27 | eldowan | Sutoka: You just made me want to dig out my copy and play through again. |
| 00:17.29 | Sutoka | eldowan: i doubt it would get the result you want (im not really sure what it would do actually) |
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| 00:19.02 | Renze | I should finish FF8 sometime |
| 00:19.03 | Sutoka | seeing the commercials for the new FF7 game made me want to try and finish it... and then watch the FF7 movie again (and this time i actually knew who most of the characters were) |
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| 00:19.33 | eldowan | Sutoka: New FF7 game? |
| 00:19.53 | Renze | Dirge of Cerberus? |
| 00:19.57 | Sutoka | eldowan: yeah, FF7 Derge of Cerberous or something, its coming out for PS2 i think, looks like its first person based and real time |
| 00:20.21 | eldowan | hack / slash? |
| 00:20.22 | Sutoka | unfortunately since its ps2 only, that means ill never play it |
| 00:20.23 | Renze | follows the story of Vincent Valentine |
| 00:20.28 | Sutoka | eldowan: shooting |
| 00:21.05 | eldowan | Vincent was pretty cool, but I have a soft spot for 3rd person turn-based rpgs |
| 00:21.39 | Sutoka | FF7 and ChronoTriggers are the only ones i really liked (and i love both of them) |
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| 00:22.13 | eldowan | chronotrigger was awesome. |
| 00:22.20 | eldowan | Sutoka: have you tried chronocross? |
| 00:22.29 | Sutoka | eldowan: i tried to rent it once but was never able to find it |
| 00:23.08 | eldowan | Sutoka: Hmmm. I never tried it either. I do like ?suikoden? 2 though. |
| 00:23.55 | Renze | Square(-Enix) fanclub |
| 00:24.53 | eldowan | heh. at least untill on topic questions start again... |
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| 00:28.50 | Sutoka | we'll just have to scare off anyone with an on topic question ;-) |
| 00:29.47 | Sutoka | i wonder if theres an OSS 3rd person turn-based RPGs in portage... |
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| 00:32.06 | eldowan | adonthell? |
| 00:32.43 | Sutoka | eldowan: that looks like its just an engine |
| 00:33.22 | Sutoka | eldowan: or maybe not... ill check it out |
| 00:33.39 | eldowan | hmm apt shows adonthell and adonthell-data |
| 00:34.01 | eldowan | balazar |
| 00:34.07 | Sutoka | unfortunately their site doesn't seem to work right |
| 00:34.25 | Sutoka | ah theres 'wastesedge' which 'showcase the adonthell engine' |
| 00:35.07 | eldowan | nice. Now I'm reminded of the gorillas QBasic game for dos... |
| 00:35.42 | Sutoka | i wish there was a better selection of OSS games |
| 00:36.00 | Sutoka | theres a few really good ones, like Wesnoth, but they're generally really hard to find out about them |
| 00:36.08 | eldowan | or even a good selection of cross-platform GL games... |
| 00:37.25 | Sutoka | i guess a lack of OSS enthusiastic artists is the huge issue with OSS games |
| 00:38.25 | eldowan | artists, engine developers, scripters... |
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| 00:40.06 | eldowan | a screenshot from waste's edge: http://www.happypenguin.org/images/sshot1.jpg |
| 00:40.22 | eldowan | ^ using the adonthell engine |
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| 00:41.35 | Sutoka | kinda reminds me of nethack |
| 00:44.44 | Sutoka | its a shame vegastrike stagnated a few years ago, it seemed quite promising |
| 00:45.22 | eldowan | never heard of them. |
| 00:46.27 | Sutoka | vegastrike was a 3d space simulation game, seems like development mostly stopped at the end of 05 |
| 00:46.39 | eldowan | how about 'the guild'? |
| 00:46.46 | Sutoka | never heard of it |
| 00:46.57 | eldowan | wesnoth looks fantastic. |
| 00:47.36 | rr72 | Renze~ no parted is stupid, not what i thought it was, qtparted is cooler |
| 00:47.37 | Sutoka | eldowan: its great, the campaigns are lots of fun |
| 00:47.47 | eldowan | 3d rendered / (raytraced? ) adventure. |
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| 00:47.55 | eldowan | http://theguild.linuxgames.com/ |
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| 00:48.08 | Sutoka | looking at their SVN server it looks like trunk is still being developed (last update 81 minutes ago), guess they just haven't made a release in forever |
| 00:48.25 | eldowan | Sutoka: vegastrike? |
| 00:48.33 | Sutoka | eldowan: yeah |
| 00:48.38 | _neopc | HI! |
| 00:48.44 | Sutoka | eldowan: http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:49.13 | Homer | vegastrike is still under active development |
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| 00:50.21 | Sutoka | Homer: thats good to hear, i had followed it for a while till the development seemed to stop (at least the releases) just when it started looking really good |
| 00:50.29 | Homer | it's slowed not stopped |
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| 00:53.07 | Sutoka | Renze: 'goes'? |
| 00:53.23 | Renze | Sutoka: bad choice of words :) |
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| 01:47.47 | safrican_ | Hi, I'm kinda new to using KDE - always been using Xfce/GNOME, in Konqueror, by curiosity - I checked the orientation of the Location Bar as "Flat" but I am not able to see it anymore, and I have found out that it is for hiding the Location bar, etc. however, I am not able to get it back. What configuration file would this be stored in so I can get it back to default ? |
| 01:48.33 | Sutoka | safrican_: click the little dots on the left edge |
| 01:49.11 | safrican_ | hrmm |
| 01:49.12 | safrican_ | alright |
| 01:49.16 | safrican_ | i thought i'd tried that |
| 01:49.22 | safrican_ | alright thanks it works :-) |
| 01:49.41 | safrican_ | sorry for the fairly easy question, i was not able to find it in the online Konqueror docs |
| 01:49.46 | safrican_ | and google, so i had to resort to this |
| 01:49.49 | safrican_ | and thank you |
| 01:49.51 | safrican_ | :) |
| 01:50.19 | Sutoka | safrican_: i had to figure out by setting it to flat and just noticed the dots lol |
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| 01:50.44 | safrican_ | ah ok.. heh, my monitor's kinda old (like 10 years old) so i wasn't able to notice it |
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| 02:07.04 | Sutoka | i wonder if i can get an ogg vorbis of the qt4 dance song somewhere... |
| 02:07.57 | Renze | qt4 dance song? |
| 02:08.02 | qupada | you can pull the mp3 audio from the mpg video they ship it as, if i'm thinking of the same thing you are |
| 02:08.06 | Sutoka | Renze: you never saw the qt4 dance video?!!? |
| 02:08.12 | qupada | Renze: it's disturbing |
| 02:08.14 | Renze | nope |
| 02:08.21 | Renze | and I don't think I want to |
| 02:08.27 | Sutoka | qupada: i could, but i wonder if theres an original version thats just the song |
| 02:08.31 | Sutoka | Renze: its awesome |
| 02:08.47 | Sutoka | Renze: you get to see a bunch of the trolls dancing in a field! |
| 02:08.57 | Renze | oooookay |
| 02:09.11 | Sutoka | some may describe it as disturbing... |
| 02:09.24 | qupada | http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/press-kit/qt4dance |
| 02:10.13 | Sutoka | oooh they have an mp3 on that page! |
| 02:10.19 | Sutoka | unfortunately no ogg vorbis :-( |
| 02:10.32 | Sutoka | ah cool! they have the lyrics there! |
| 02:10.46 | Sutoka | i wonder if amarok would fetch the lyrics if i tried playing the mp3 on that page... |
| 02:10.53 | eldowan | I should have listened to renze... |
| 02:11.16 | qupada | eldowan: how so? |
| 02:11.18 | Renze | eldowan: learn the power of restraint :D |
| 02:11.28 | Sutoka | eldowan: are you scared for life now? |
| 02:11.34 | eldowan | Renze: But I was downloading before the link was posted... |
| 02:11.46 | qupada | Sutoka: scarred, surely? |
| 02:12.09 | eldowan | I think I'll just trashbin that memory of the song. |
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| 02:14.21 | eldowan | Hmmm. amarok just stopped using my global key bindings. Any help? |
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| 02:17.20 | eldowan | amarok restarted fixed it. ^ |
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| 02:30.03 | mortici | help |
| 02:31.25 | eldowan | mortici: Thats not much to go on now is it? |
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| 02:31.49 | mortici | lol |
| 02:31.55 | mortici | just making sure theres someone alive here |
| 02:32.22 | Renze | brraaaiinnsss! |
| 02:32.43 | letalis | lol |
| 02:32.44 | mortici | KDE doesn't seem to want to preview the images in folders. Not by clicking on them but just when you open the folder its jpg icons, not the image preview |
| 02:32.54 | letalis | i always peer in at the most interesting time |
| 02:32.56 | Sutoka | your modern 'on the go' zombie perfers a low cal diet, such as skin and livers |
| 02:33.21 | ironfroggy | are there any interesting things i could map to extra buttons on my mouse? |
| 02:33.27 | Sutoka | mortici: is previews enabled for the protcol in konq's settings? |
| 02:33.36 | mortici | how do i check? |
| 02:33.46 | eldowan | Sutoka: Would 'on the go' zombies prefer higher cals to enable those extremely quick stuttering steps? |
| 02:34.27 | eldowan | mortici: settings=>configure konqueror=>previews& meta-data |
| 02:34.56 | eldowan | mortici: check Local Protocols -> file |
| 02:35.51 | mortici | Yay it works! |
| 02:35.51 | mortici | :D |
| 02:36.39 | eldowan | :D |
| 02:36.48 | mortici | :D |
| 02:37.28 | Tomasu | anyone have amarok "hide" all of the columns in the playlist? Mine all seem to be squished to the left... |
| 02:38.59 | eldowan | Tomasu: have you tried hiding all of the columns, and then showing them one at a time? |
| 02:39.30 | eldowan | Tomasu: or you might try doubleclicking on the column boundary |
| 02:39.47 | Tomasu | what boundary? |
| 02:40.01 | eldowan | Tomasu: where the cursor changes to the resize graphic |
| 02:40.29 | Tomasu | yeah, there wernt any. |
| 02:40.46 | Tomasu | but I just found the dialog for choosing which columns, and that fixed it. |
| 02:41.07 | eldowan | Tomasu: Thats what I meant by 'hiding all of the columng'. Glad you found it :) |
| 02:41.25 | Tomasu | Id been looking for it.. cant imagine why I didnt find it till now ;) |
| 02:42.09 | eldowan | Tomasu: Its the selective blindness. I usually happens when you are looking for something. |
| 02:42.16 | Tomasu | hehe |
| 02:42.19 | Tomasu | yup. |
| 02:42.48 | Tomasu | its amazing how you always find things in the last place you look ;) |
| 02:42.56 | eldowan | amazing indeed |
| 02:43.13 | Renze | usually because you stop looking when you find it :D |
| 02:43.31 | eldowan | ouch |
| 02:44.45 | Tomasu | not always ;) |
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| 02:45.20 | eldowan | Tomasu: I'm not sure about you, but I stop looking when I find what I'm looking for. |
| 02:45.33 | Tomasu | do you always know when youve found something? |
| 02:45.41 | Tomasu | could be staring right at it, and not see it |
| 02:46.57 | Renze | Tomasu: then you haven't found it :) |
| 02:47.08 | Tomasu | sure you have, you just don't realize it ;) |
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| 02:47.12 | eldowan | if you are looking at something but don't realize what you are looking at, have you really found anything? |
| 02:47.43 | Tomasu | sure if its religion or polotics :-x |
| 02:47.55 | Tomasu | or spelling |
| 02:48.06 | eldowan | Tomasu: find: to locate, attain, or obtain by search or effort |
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| 02:49.39 | Tomasu | whelp, I need to finish this stupid twiki->mediawiki script... |
| 02:50.22 | eldowan | way to duck out... :D |
| 02:50.40 | Tomasu | ;) |
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| 02:51.54 | Tomasu | yay for duplicates... |
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| 02:55.28 | Tomasu | just realized my helsing OSTs were in my library twice.. |
| 02:58.11 | hagabaka | Wikis would be much more convenient if there were more ASCII symbols... |
| 02:58.47 | Tomasu | heh |
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| 03:00.42 | wineadm | hi why is it if I copy over Wine to .kde/share/applnk/ the K>Wine isn't there even after strating kde ? |
| 03:01.15 | wineadm | it used to pick it up and yes I changed username:group groups the same thou |
| 03:01.17 | wineadm | users |
| 03:01.31 | wineadm | /home/wineadm/.kde/share/applnk/Wine |
| 03:02.03 | Renze | wineadm: run kbuildsycoca as user |
| 03:02.24 | Renze | wineadm: and I assume Wine is a valid .desktop file? |
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| 03:02.56 | Renze | wineadm: if you're trying to add a submenu, you're doing it wrong |
| 03:03.21 | wineadm | I should find the destop file too I guess |
| 03:03.46 | wineadm | just there is a lot in there for all users to use and would like to save on retyping it all :D |
| 03:03.49 | Renze | you should learn what they are first, I think... go read the specs on freedesktop.org |
| 03:06.51 | wineadm | learn what are first ? |
| 03:07.21 | Renze | .desktop files |
| 03:08.01 | wineadm | well I don't see a descktop on fro the Wine dir in the user that it works in |
| 03:08.08 | wineadm | just for the games |
| 03:08.31 | wineadm | on fro/one for |
| 03:09.40 | wineadm | just want to get K>Wine>Program/Firefly Studios and Microsoft Games tc to show up |
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| 03:10.15 | wineadm | but I copied the Wine folder over from a users dir thats its all works in and shanged the username |
| 03:10.26 | wineadm | so why is that not getting picked up |
| 03:10.41 | _root | hello |
| 03:11.01 | Shirakawasuna | wineadm: you're aware of the kmenueditor, yes? |
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| 03:11.21 | wineadm | yes but why type them all over again |
| 03:11.32 | Renze | wineadm: because it's not as simple as just copying a folder |
| 03:11.40 | wineadm | when cp chnage user;group should do it |
| 03:12.07 | Shirakawasuna | I'm not sure that that's how it works |
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| 03:12.18 | wineadm | so i have to add it all in the menu for each user again :( |
| 03:12.35 | wineadm | with the editor ugh |
| 03:13.31 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: are the gentoo forums down for you? |
| 03:13.33 | _root | ??? |
| 03:13.52 | Renze | wineadm: not if you learn how to edit menus properly by reading the information on freedesktop.org |
| 03:14.01 | wineadm | I can drag drop a desktop icon into the editor but I can't even drag drop that folder in from filemanager to the editor :( |
| 03:14.03 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: I rarely ever visit the forums |
| 03:14.24 | Shirakawasuna | ok |
| 03:14.33 | _root | maybe i can help |
| 03:14.37 | wineadm | whast the exact thing to read |
| 03:14.49 | _root | ??? |
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| 03:16.28 | wineadm | ok what link |
| 03:16.36 | Shirakawasuna | I'm having problems w/ kbuildsycoca's warnings + an error about the database being unavailable |
| 03:17.05 | Renze | wineadm: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec |
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| 03:18.44 | wineadm | To create your own templates, add a page with a name matching the regex "[a-z]Template$". this ? |
| 03:18.48 | wineadm | what is that |
| 03:19.20 | Shirakawasuna | when I run kbuildsycoca I get this: http://phpfi.com/152120 |
| 03:19.40 | wineadm | that looks more like its on how to make a wiki page or something |
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| 03:22.41 | wineadm | had to enter it from the main page . now it shows diffrent |
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| 03:23.10 | wineadm | ok 1 thing K>Wine where does it put the .dscktop file for that folder ? |
| 03:23.13 | wineadm | Wine |
| 03:24.38 | wineadm | Wine/Programs/Microsoft Games/Age of Empires II/Age of Empires II.desktop thats there as it should be but cd back to Wine or 1 before it and I don't see Wine.desktop or any |
| 03:27.45 | wineadm | where is the file that the editor makes for the folder info |
| 03:29.02 | wineadm | http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/1.0/ar01s08.html doesn't say where this gets put or should be put |
| 03:30.51 | wineadm | Renze so a game we all know it makes game.desktop but looking at the user that it all works in I do not see .directory or Wine.descktop so what file gets aedit to add the folder for the men |
| 03:31.12 | wineadm | menu* |
| 03:31.19 | wineadm | edited* |
| 03:31.25 | Renze | um, could you throw some punctuation in there... I can't understand it like that |
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| 03:31.53 | Renze | I'm also far too busy to help you |
| 03:32.57 | wineadm | Renze so a game we all know it makes game.desktop. But looking at the user that it all works in ,I do not see .directory or Wine.descktop. So what file gets edited to add the folder(Wine) for the menu(K>Wine) |
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| 03:34.07 | Renze | wineadm: sorry, I've never needed to make system-wide changes to the menu structure, and I'm neck-deep in php code at the moment so I can't go searching for you. |
| 03:35.06 | wineadm | well thanks any way this suck for somethign that should be easier than this and hrs of friggin reading :( makes me have to resort to hand editing tham all . that sucks |
| 03:36.15 | wineadm | the fact is all the games have the .descktop files but there is nothing to tell me easy what or where the file is for the folders |
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| 03:47.34 | sF|Xemanth | so Win key is modifier in kcontrol regional and language settings... in keyboard shortcuts... how can i make it as normal button |
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| 04:07.22 | chino[dev] | in the device media list can i add like say a usb drive as a media ? |
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| 04:08.32 | positivo | oi |
| 04:09.17 | chino[dev] | oi |
| 04:09.55 | Shirakawasuna | oi vey! |
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| 04:16.03 | Shirakawasuna | would anyone be able to help me work out a kbuildsycoca issue? |
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| 04:25.59 | Shirakawasuna | the output is pretty ugly |
| 04:26.16 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: what's the issue? |
| 04:26.33 | Shirakawasuna | http://phpfi.com/152120 |
| 04:26.44 | Shirakawasuna | the warnings are annoying and the error is disconcerting |
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| 04:32.39 | aseigo | that error isn't actually an error |
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| 04:32.49 | aseigo | it just means that there wasn't a sycoca and so its making one |
| 04:33.25 | aseigo | the warnings are just on poorly formed .desktop files. nothing to worry about really. |
| 04:33.47 | aseigo | is there some kind of bug you are running into, or are you just concerned about the output? |
| 04:35.16 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: ^^ |
| 04:35.26 | chino[dev] | aseigo: can i ask you something really fast / |
| 04:35.37 | Shirakawasuna | aseigo: just concerned |
| 04:35.47 | aseigo | chino[dev]: of course |
| 04:35.53 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: ah, ok. well, don't be ;) |
| 04:35.54 | Shirakawasuna | aseigo: every time I run kbuildsycoca I get that error - is it still benign? |
| 04:36.02 | aseigo | yes. it's completely fine |
| 04:36.06 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 04:36.06 | chino[dev] | aseigo: for the media applet how do i add my own custom media device ? |
| 04:36.07 | Shirakawasuna | thanks :) |
| 04:36.11 | aseigo | kbuildsycoca removes the db |
| 04:36.16 | aseigo | since it's building a new one |
| 04:36.19 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 04:36.29 | aseigo | and the ksyscocadict object, when created, goes "dude, no database!" |
| 04:36.32 | Shirakawasuna | no worries, then :) |
| 04:36.41 | aseigo | which is, of course, obviously what is going on ;) |
| 04:37.03 | Shirakawasuna | so should I expect those messages to go away only when package maintainers/upstream devs create better .desktop files? |
| 04:37.05 | aseigo | chino[dev]: storage media? |
| 04:37.19 | chino[dev] | aseigo: you know the "media:/" thing it allows you to have device icons |
| 04:37.20 | Shirakawasuna | or edit them myself, I suppose |
| 04:37.27 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: yes, the WARNINGS about the .desktop files will only go away when the issue sin them are rectified. |
| 04:37.41 | Shirakawasuna | ok, thanks |
| 04:37.47 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: however, that may not happen because those mimetype entries may be specific to a given OS and are there to make things work |
| 04:37.56 | aseigo | Shirakawasuna: which would mean more downstream fixes necessary |
| 04:37.58 | Shirakawasuna | the fun part is that it's usually either an x- or lack or x- in front of the mimetype that's doing it :) |
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| 04:38.13 | aseigo | chino[dev]: just making sure you weren't talking about the media control applet, which is sound ;) |
| 04:38.44 | chino[dev] | yea i just would like a icon for my thumb drive |
| 04:38.54 | aseigo | chino[dev]: does it show up in media:/ ? |
| 04:39.07 | chino[dev] | i put it into my usb drive and nothing is there |
| 04:39.22 | chino[dev] | just my hd's cdrom and floppy |
| 04:39.38 | aseigo | chino[dev]: are you using hal/dbus or .. ? |
| 04:39.45 | chino[dev] | sda1 |
| 04:39.58 | aseigo | chino[dev]: because if it doesn't show up in media:/ it won't show up in the applet either (it uses media:/ internally) |
| 04:40.15 | chino[dev] | yes but can i add a custom media device ? |
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| 04:41.20 | aseigo | chino[dev]: ah, you mean like a device path or a mount point? no.. it relies on the backend in use.. so hal/dbus needs to see it if you are using that, or if you're using the old school fstab backend then you need an entry there |
| 04:41.43 | chino[dev] | i do have fstab but wtf is hal/dbus ? |
| 04:42.12 | aseigo | a kernel-level hardware device information system that is event driven |
| 04:42.28 | aseigo | publishes over dbus |
| 04:42.28 | chino[dev] | is it only in 2.6 ? |
| 04:42.46 | aseigo | yeah, i don't think it's supported in older kernels |
| 04:42.55 | chino[dev] | i use 2.4 slackware with fstab |
| 04:42.56 | aseigo | and you need the user space tools installed too, of course |
| 04:43.12 | aseigo | ah, slack. yeah, no hal/dbus there.. so, is there any entry for your thumbdrive in the /etc/fstab? |
| 04:43.38 | chino[dev] | i just added it and i got a weird pop up! the new kde is crazy... |
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| 04:45.28 | chino[dev] | ok so it says only root can mount |
| 04:45.40 | aseigo | chino[dev]: yeah, you need to add user to your fstab entry |
| 04:45.41 | chino[dev] | do i have to put a sticky bit on mount ? |
| 04:45.49 | chino[dev] | instead of owner ? |
| 04:45.58 | aseigo | chino[dev]: iirc, yes |
| 04:46.25 | chino[dev] | gorgeous |
| 04:46.34 | chino[dev] | and hey fstab is state of the art tech not old school! |
| 04:46.35 | chino[dev] | lol |
| 04:47.21 | aseigo | ;) |
| 04:47.45 | Ecnassianer | Is this room a good place to ask questions about Korganizer? |
| 04:47.57 | chino[dev] | i love fstab and the way unix does stuff wtf how does the new system work everything is auto detected ? what if you want to add/remove a device? |
| 04:48.41 | aseigo | chino[dev]: it just watches fstab for modifications.. when modified it reads it in... and then, iirc, it polls the device files |
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| 04:48.53 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: sure. if we can't help #kontact might... |
| 04:48.57 | chino[dev] | oh is this a kde thing or a linux thing ? |
| 04:49.07 | aseigo | kde thing |
| 04:49.19 | chino[dev] | hal/dbus ?? |
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| 04:49.36 | aseigo | oh.. hal/dbus.. that's a linux thing... though it's being ported apparently to fbsd and solaris |
| 04:49.38 | Ecnassianer | I'm running Ubuntu (and I don't have KDE install, just KOrganizer and a few other Kapps). I'd like to move my old KOrganizer settings (and calandar and other such things) from my old debian install onto my new Ubuntu install. Anybody know where they're kept? Can I just copy them over like any other .config file? |
| 04:50.03 | chino[dev] | should i just google it or you mind explaining the nutshell of the idea ? |
| 04:50.12 | Ecnassianer | Geez, long day at work, my communication skills are degraded. :( |
| 04:50.20 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: yes.. they will be kept under `kde-config --localprefx` with everything else. we'll call that $PREFIX |
| 04:51.13 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: so look in $PREFIX/share/config/korganizerrc and $PREFIX/share/config/kabcrc ... $PREFIX/share/apps/korganizer and $PREFIX/share/apps/kabc |
| 04:51.28 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: or .. just copy $PREFIX over lock stoc kand barrel and all your kde app data and settings will follow |
| 04:51.35 | chino[dev] | aseigo: didn't kde make a nx viewer ? |
| 04:51.44 | aseigo | chino[dev]: yep... was a SoC project |
| 04:51.54 | chino[dev] | wtf is that ? |
| 04:52.02 | aseigo | summer of code.. that google sponsored thing |
| 04:52.19 | chino[dev] | how do i get it ? |
| 04:53.25 | Ecnassianer | aseigo, If I just grab those four files, I'll have everything, or should I search for anything else that might be relevant? |
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| 05:00.58 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: that should be pretty much everything.. note that the latter two are directories, not files |
| 05:01.17 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: and in generally, it's easier to pull over overything in $PREFIX/share ... but of course, up to you |
| 05:01.36 | chino[dev] | aseigo: can i get the kde nx viewer seperatly ? |
| 05:01.43 | aseigo | chino[dev]: yes |
| 05:01.49 | chino[dev] | where at ? |
| 05:02.53 | Ecnassianer | aseigo, I'd like to leave behind some of the gunked up settings in my old install, so I'm just grabbing what I need. But it looks like I've missed the custom catagories I had setup. All my appointments stil have them in the catagory fields, but can't add them new and the color settings are gone. |
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| 05:04.17 | aseigo | Ecnassianer: hmm.. should be korganizerrc afaik ... |
| 05:04.43 | Ecnassianer | Perhaps there's an incompatibility in the version difference |
| 05:04.46 | Ecnassianer | Thanks for your help |
| 05:04.56 | Ecnassianer | I'll bump my question over to the people in #kontact |
| 05:06.19 | aseigo | chino[dev]: http://developer.berlios.de/svn/?group_id=2978 |
| 05:06.25 | chino[dev] | thanks |
| 05:06.41 | chino[dev] | php is fugly |
| 05:06.44 | Renze | yup |
| 05:06.49 | Renze | but at least it isn't java |
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| 05:12.44 | chino[dev] | why use java |
| 05:13.26 | rohanpm | why not use Java? It is sometimes quite suitable for a particular purpose |
| 05:13.56 | chino[dev] | yea its great for many things but i believe he is speaking of web applications |
| 05:14.01 | rohanpm | Such as deploying a single binary containing your program and all necessary files and having it work on many different platforms |
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| 05:14.25 | chino[dev] | and something that is within php's limits lol |
| 05:14.44 | rohanpm | I couldn't say how good or not Java is for server-side web applications... |
| 05:15.03 | rohanpm | I have actually touched a little JSP and I did not like it at all |
| 05:15.10 | rohanpm | PHP is annoying though |
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| 05:16.28 | chino[dev] | yea im a ruby bitch lately i like rails |
| 05:16.44 | rohanpm | I want to move to static HTML for all my web sites, I've been getting paranoid lately |
| 05:16.52 | chino[dev] | about what ? |
| 05:17.14 | rohanpm | chino[dev]: hack attempts, data loss, etc. |
| 05:17.40 | rohanpm | A buggy PHP script wiping out my entire database |
| 05:17.56 | chino[dev] | im confused how would you get hacked and how would a static file aproach support the capabilties of server side |
| 05:18.26 | chino[dev] | well thats why you backup and thats why you write your own code and you develope on a seperate db |
| 05:19.03 | rohanpm | chino[dev]: well the thing is, I don't really _need_ the capabilities of something like PHP |
| 05:19.17 | chino[dev] | so then why use something like it ? |
| 05:19.29 | chino[dev] | i really dont see "where" your using a db "wihtout" needing one |
| 05:19.33 | rohanpm | I made a poor choice earlier and it's hard to back out of it |
| 05:19.50 | aseigo | i hate updating bunches of html files =/ |
| 05:20.31 | aseigo | chino[dev]: what do you think about sun hiring those jruby guys? |
| 05:20.31 | rohanpm | aseigo: I'm thinking more like a templating system where the HTML is still generated by a program, but not on-the-fly |
| 05:20.34 | aseigo | rohanpm: there's already several of those out there |
| 05:20.37 | chino[dev] | yes i would never use static html for an entire site i love server side for its templating advantages and data storage |
| 05:20.40 | aseigo | e.g. smarty |
| 05:20.48 | rohanpm | aseigo: I know :-) I meant thinking of moving to one, not writing one :-) |
| 05:20.55 | aseigo | ah.. heh |
| 05:21.00 | aseigo | what are you using now? |
| 05:21.07 | chino[dev] | rohanpm: i think you mean you dont wnat to use a database but template is "on the fly" lol unles you use caching but thats jst a technicality its still "on the fly" |
| 05:21.07 | rohanpm | aseigo: wordpress |
| 05:21.19 | aseigo | rohanpm: well, you could've picked movabletype ;) |
| 05:21.19 | chino[dev] | wtf is wordpress |
| 05:21.26 | aseigo | and be more frustrated |
| 05:21.34 | aseigo | chino[dev]: it's blogging software |
| 05:21.50 | rohanpm | I totally regret wordpress, so many string quoting issues which make me nervous about the whole thing |
| 05:22.24 | aseigo | string quoting? hm... one would expect that that would be auditted pretty thoroughly by now given how wide spread its usage is |
| 05:22.30 | rohanpm | I'll put aside some time to switch away in the future |
| 05:23.10 | chino[dev] | try rails |
| 05:23.28 | rohanpm | aseigo: they've definitely fixed _some_ problems, e.g. " no longer always appears as \" when published (that was embarrasingly bad!) but there are definitely still issues, I think they may have introduced more lately, e.g. it has been replacing < and > with < and >, with disastrous results |
| 05:24.35 | aseigo | ah.. magic quotes |
| 05:24.40 | aseigo | stupidest idea ever, i swear |
| 05:25.44 | chino[dev] | seriously rails is cool you guys should try it |
| 05:26.18 | rohanpm | Once I had weird "access denied" errors when trying to post something, then I found out that my shared hosting provider blocks any HTTP POST requests containing '#!/bin/sh'... wasn't wordpress' fault, but it took ages to figure it out |
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| 05:27.08 | aseigo | hahhah |
| 05:27.11 | chino[dev] | you were trying to upload a script ? |
| 05:27.15 | aseigo | wow, that's lame of the host provider |
| 05:27.59 | rohanpm | aseigo wins the bet |
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| 05:28.21 | rohanpm | I ended up replacing # with the equivalent HTML entity |
| 05:28.33 | chino[dev] | i like having all my own control f that shit |
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| 05:32.29 | rohanpm | Most of the computer labs at university are dual boot Windows/Fedora |
| 05:32.38 | rohanpm | Today I was in the only Fedora-only lab |
| 05:32.52 | rohanpm | These guys came in, looked at some computers, were all like "What's this Linux shit?" & walked out |
| 05:33.07 | rohanpm | It was funny |
| 05:34.09 | chino[dev] | lol what ? |
| 05:34.13 | chino[dev] | what university ? |
| 05:34.22 | chino[dev] | i think thats awesome |
| 05:36.13 | rohanpm | Queensland University of Technology |
| 05:36.28 | rohanpm | The Linux-only lab is a slum, seriously less than half of the computers are working |
| 05:36.38 | chino[dev] | lol |
| 05:36.40 | rohanpm | One of the keyboards has "linux sux" written on it |
| 05:37.02 | chino[dev] | try rails man |
| 05:37.11 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 05:37.22 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: sounds like your school has a lot of tools :) |
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| 05:38.56 | rohanpm | Shirakawasuna: you bet it does |
| 05:39.14 | positivo | ola |
| 05:39.19 | Shirakawasuna | guten tag |
| 05:39.33 | Shirakawasuna | wir sprechen nur deutsch hier: was machst du denn? |
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| 05:58.07 | oneforall | ok if i run that kbuildcoca I get no database avialable ? |
| 05:58.28 | Renze | does stuff still work? |
| 06:00.20 | oneforall | nope |
| 06:00.32 | Renze | then I guess it's not ok |
| 06:02.46 | oneforall | any idea why its saying that. |
| 06:03.04 | Renze | permissions problems in /var/tmp? |
| 06:03.08 | oneforall | wierd how run that from one user and its good and another it that O.o |
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| 06:03.26 | Renze | check the permissions for /var/tmp/kdecache-<username> |
| 06:04.20 | njdube | Will KPowersave work with UPSes? |
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| 06:04.55 | oneforall | hey I sorta figured a way to do that copy folder. do like I was then make the folders in the editor and then just drag drop the allready made .desktop files. That works but sometimes its not keeping the same case. |
| 06:05.13 | oneforall | hmm ok |
| 06:05.49 | oneforall | still no idea where kde is keeping the file that stores the folder ifo |
| 06:06.24 | oneforall | sll I would have to do is add <something>Wine</something> to it |
| 06:09.30 | oneforall | perm in there are for the user rwx |
| 06:09.39 | oneforall | 40700 |
| 06:10.01 | Renze | and ownership? |
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| 06:10.16 | Renze | how about permissions on the sycoca file itself? |
| 06:10.45 | oneforall | [rw-] [r--] [r--] [killbill ] [users |
| 06:10.55 | thiago | Renze: it has to be obviously readable and writable |
| 06:11.02 | Renze | thiago: I know |
| 06:13.20 | thiago | oh, right, that would be oneforall :-) |
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| 06:35.11 | islamguidedotcom | is there a way to read man files graphically from konqueror etc.? |
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| 06:35.28 | Renze | islamguidedotcom: man:/<manpage> |
| 06:35.45 | Renze | islamguidedotcom: you can also use it for info pages with info:/ |
| 06:36.18 | tech9iner | G'Day Renze |
| 06:36.26 | Renze | howdy tech |
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| 06:36.44 | islamguidedotcom | Renze, thx wad do u mean by use it FOR info pages? |
| 06:37.37 | Renze | islamguidedotcom: do you know what info pages are? |
| 06:37.58 | islamguidedotcom | Renze, addition to man pages? |
| 06:38.10 | Renze | islamguidedotcom: man pages on steroids |
| 06:39.07 | islamguidedotcom | are they distro specific? info:/yum gives some error |
| 06:39.54 | oneforall | well all thoseare the right perms etc |
| 06:39.56 | strawman | some error |
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| 06:40.10 | Renze | islamguidedotcom: is there an info page for yum? |
| 06:40.18 | strawman | No info page for topic "yum" found. |
| 06:40.19 | islamguidedotcom | strawman, err basically not available error |
| 06:40.20 | strawman | You may find what you are looking for at the yum manpage. |
| 06:40.49 | strawman | dude, use your gray matter :) |
| 06:40.51 | oneforall | ok I need to have export WINEPREFIX=$HOME/.wineAGEII wine "C:\ etc but thats not working |
| 06:41.03 | Renze | strawman: maybe he doesn't have any? ;) |
| 06:41.11 | oneforall | workjs from the descktop icon but not the K>Wine> etc |
| 06:44.37 | islamguidedotcom | is there a way to make scrollbars appear at the very edge of the screen instead of one pixel less? |
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| 06:44.46 | islamguidedotcom | makes it harder to grab the bar |
| 06:44.51 | ma3x | how can I reset kde fonts to defaults? |
| 06:45.17 | Renze | ma3x: click the Defaults button, perhaps? |
| 06:46.13 | ma3x | Renze, it sets all to sans serif 10 |
| 06:46.26 | Renze | ma3x: those are the defaults |
| 06:46.28 | ma3x | which is too small, and they all shouldn't be sans serif, right? |
| 06:46.51 | Renze | ma3x: so set them to what you want |
| 06:46.52 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: that's the defaults :) |
| 06:47.01 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: I like Arial size 11 |
| 06:47.18 | ma3x | ok, and do you use gtk-theme-switch or something? |
| 06:47.25 | Shirakawasuna | Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 10 for fixed-width |
| 06:47.34 | Shirakawasuna | gtk-theme-switch? This is KDE |
| 06:47.35 | ma3x | let me guess, that thing takes control from kde, and drives its look itself right? |
| 06:47.38 | ma3x | this is kde? |
| 06:47.44 | Renze | ma3x: no, I use gtk-qt-engine's kcontrol module |
| 06:47.53 | Shirakawasuna | as do I |
| 06:48.11 | ma3x | ok I am installing it now |
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| 06:49.42 | oneforall | so any idea why that doesn't work ? |
| 06:49.44 | ma3x | if I start firefox for eg. or any open other maximized window, there is a big blue border between the maximized window and the taskbar. is there any way to remove it? |
| 06:49.49 | ma3x | and how, if? |
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| 06:50.15 | oneforall | is the menu on working with export WINEPREFIX= ? |
| 06:50.55 | Renze | it's useless to me |
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| 06:51.26 | benJIman | ma3x: depends on the window decoration you're using |
| 06:51.47 | benJIman | ma3x: the suse decoration and I think the plastik one will remove the border if you deselect "allow moving of maximised windows" |
| 06:51.48 | Shirakawasuna | I have it installed...not sure why :) |
| 06:51.50 | oneforall | Renze for my kids and their games . |
| 06:52.14 | oneforall | still better than fixing m$ for them for no pay :D |
| 06:52.39 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: I have never had a blue border when maximized |
| 06:53.15 | Shirakawasuna | I've found it's way easier to just restart to play diablo II, etc, than get wine working |
| 06:53.22 | benJIman | I used to use cedega before I released that I was only playing native games anyway |
| 06:53.41 | Shirakawasuna | blasphemy! |
| 06:53.56 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
| 06:54.12 | Shirakawasuna | unless you play FPSs |
| 06:54.18 | ma3x | benJIman, I'm in the style menu of plastik now. where do you see that option 'allow moving of maximised windows?' |
| 06:54.27 | Sho_ | ... or anything that requires half a brain |
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| 06:54.41 | Sho_ | ma3x: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Moving |
| 06:54.58 | benJIman | ma3x: right click -> configure -> moving |
| 06:55.02 | benJIman | or that |
| 06:55.14 | benJIman | if you uncheck that the buttons should move into the corners on maximising too |
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| 06:55.36 | oneforall | Sho_ well I was accually thinking of paying for cedga,BUT none of the 3 ga,ed work in it lol . noy kidding iether . couldn't even istall them. After Iworked on it for a few days some one gave me the url that showed that they didn't |
| 06:55.41 | ma3x | Sho_, thanks a lot |
| 06:55.44 | ma3x | benJIman, thanks a lot! |
| 06:55.51 | oneforall | so that made my disition not to buy it easy |
| 06:55.59 | Sho_ | oneforall: I seem to be fairly lucky with Cedega ... I have eight games installed in it at the moment, and all work perfectly |
| 06:56.19 | Sho_ | oneforall: And despite it being GTK+, their management GUI is actually rather nice these days. They've improved it a lot recently. |
| 06:58.53 | oneforall | well since i had 3 games to install and none worked it wasn't worth buyuing :D |
| 06:59.16 | Sho_ | Which games, btw? |
| 06:59.20 | Renze | *cough*torrent*cough* |
| 06:59.22 | oneforall | they all work in wine . sound is a bit choopy sometimes |
| 06:59.57 | oneforall | no kid bought them . after i said check wines page to see if they will work :D do they listen hell no |
| 07:00.00 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: which games do you play, btw? |
| 07:00.14 | Shirakawasuna | I'm always interested in new games...especially if they don't cost me anything :) |
| 07:00.35 | oneforall | AOE2+expantion pack conquorours,Crusader |
| 07:00.45 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Mostly real-time/turn-based/4X strategy games, also role-playing games and occassionally shooters |
| 07:01.02 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: found anything free/open source that's good? |
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| 07:01.10 | Sho_ | oneforall: Hm, AoE2 works fine in Cedega afaik ... at least it does nowadays |
| 07:01.27 | ma3x | I have about 10 different fonts to choose for the Konsole. they are all small and when I try to increase them they look fat! |
| 07:01.34 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Battle of Wesnoth is pretty fun |
| 07:01.38 | Sho_ | www.wesnoth.org |
| 07:01.43 | ma3x | I had before a decent font, but it's gone now |
| 07:01.45 | ma3x | dunno what happened |
| 07:01.54 | oneforall | whats sucks about A)E2 and AOC is AOE2 works great with alsa . but AOC soesn't . So I might just put them in 2 prefixes . but AOC still need AOE2 :D |
| 07:02.23 | oneforall | Sho_ yeah it might now but still not worth it . wine does great so I'll just stay with it |
| 07:02.23 | Shirakawasuna | wine = pain |
| 07:02.29 | Shirakawasuna | wine is for masochists :) |
| 07:02.30 | Sho_ | oneforall: Apparently the AoE2 installer is a little troublesome, but the game itself works fine |
| 07:02.52 | oneforall | aoe2 installs easy on wine |
| 07:03.12 | oneforall | so does crusader |
| 07:03.15 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: I just don't want to reboot into Windows just to play games ... for me that's far more painful |
| 07:03.33 | oneforall | that one they asked me to add to the list cause I don't think its listed |
| 07:04.00 | oneforall | yeah I don't want m$ at all . left it years ago don't miss it at all |
| 07:04.34 | oneforall | not even for dvd burner . all waorks from linux and dvdauthering |
| 07:04.57 | oneforall | once in a while i use dvdshrink but not to often |
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| 07:05.22 | oneforall | for ARccOS stuck with dvddecryptor :( |
| 07:05.46 | Sho_ | Unfortunately I do still need to use Windows for work |
| 07:06.07 | oneforall | love pgcedit . that techniod looking app but use the viewer and it helps me a lot lol |
| 07:07.08 | oneforall | yeah only time I use m$ is when I'm getting payed to fix it |
| 07:08.10 | oneforall | geez canada post really needs to fix their site, 4 times this week I goto use the calulator and its broke |
| 07:08.12 | Sho_ | Unfortunately in my case it's certain software that is missing in Linux :-( |
| 07:09.58 | ma3x | how do I setup in KDE control panel settings for gtk1 and gtk2? |
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| 07:10.52 | Renze | ma3x: why should KDE have options for toolkits it doesn't use? :) gtk-qt-engine supplies a module for gtk2... that's about as close as you're going to get. |
| 07:10.52 | Sho_ | ma3x: You can install the gtk-qt-engine, which is two things, first a GTK2 theme that renders using the current KDE theme, and second a nice module for KControl to chose the GTK2 theme and fonts |
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| 07:12.10 | ma3x | :) |
| 07:12.30 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: yes, but you use cedega. cedega has support :) |
| 07:12.48 | ma3x | and what about gtk1? |
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| 07:12.57 | Renze | ma3x: edit your .gtkrc file by hand :D |
| 07:13.00 | Sho_ | ma3x: Is there still any relevant software using gtk1? |
| 07:13.03 | ma3x | because there are some applications that use gtk1, right? |
| 07:13.13 | ma3x | yes |
| 07:13.15 | Renze | any apps still using gtk1 should be deleted immediately :D |
| 07:13.15 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Cedega is good for games, but not for all software, and neither is Wine |
| 07:13.22 | Sho_ | ma3x: Such as? |
| 07:13.54 | Shirakawasuna | wine is finally beta, though :) |
| 07:14.10 | ma3x | xmms |
| 07:14.19 | ma3x | xmms is using gtk1 |
| 07:14.24 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: I highly recommend amarok |
| 07:14.25 | Sho_ | ma3x: well, XMMS is obsolete |
| 07:14.38 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: you will find it much better :) |
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| 07:15.25 | ma3x | but amarok can't play .ape music |
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| 07:15.50 | Renze | wtf is .ape? |
| 07:15.57 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: One thing you need to realize is that Microsoft, due to the fact that their platform and most software on that platform is closed source, usually cannot retire old APIs and libraries, which means that Windows applications use an incredibly broad variety of technologies from 15 years of software history, and since a lot of that tech is unmaintained, even rely on quirky bugs to be present |
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| 07:16.27 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Due to that, the task Wine is facing is so huge that will most likely simply always fail to run a majority of Windows apps |
| 07:16.31 | Sho_ | beta or not |
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| 07:17.19 | ma3x | Renze, monkey audio |
| 07:17.20 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: oh, I know that microsoft is largely to blame for the difficulty wine has emulating it :) |
| 07:17.31 | Renze | ma3x: that means nothing to me |
| 07:18.27 | Shirakawasuna | 'a proprietary lossless audio format' |
| 07:18.30 | peppelorum | Why does Kword forgots about my formatting all the time? I edit the styles in style manager, save the document, close and open it and the styles is ignored... |
| 07:18.58 | Renze | bah, use flac instead... it's not proprietary |
| 07:19.02 | peppelorum | Using 1.5.2 |
| 07:19.04 | Shirakawasuna | can't gstreamer play ape? |
| 07:19.18 | Shirakawasuna | peppelorum: #koffice if no one here answers |
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| 07:19.44 | peppelorum | Shirakawasuna: thanks |
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| 07:21.07 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: why do you use ape instead of flac? |
| 07:21.33 | ma3x | Shirakawasuna, I use both |
| 07:21.58 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: why not use just flac? It's free/open and can be played by just about anything linux |
| 07:22.12 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: also gstreamer may be able to play flac (amarok can use gstreamer) |
| 07:22.31 | Sho_ | ma3x: Amarok can use a variety of player engines in the backend, e.g. Xine and Helix - Amarok itself does not implement support for any audio format. So the question is rather whether one of those engines can play "Ape". |
| 07:23.43 | Renze | sellout! :D |
| 07:25.05 | Shirakawasuna | once I found that I could use amarok to play streaming radio w/ helix I sold out :/ |
| 07:25.51 | Sho_ | The radio streams I've seen so far worked fine with the xine engine |
| 07:26.35 | Shirakawasuna | not real media ones |
| 07:26.56 | Shirakawasuna | it's a public radio stream, too. stupid thing |
| 07:27.03 | Shirakawasuna | of course, I AM in seattle.... |
| 07:27.36 | Shirakawasuna | sweet, they're offering different formats now :) |
| 07:29.17 | Shirakawasuna | no ogg...but mp3 |
| 07:29.27 | XVampireX | ogg |
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| 07:30.39 | Shirakawasuna | I mean KUOW doesn't offer ogg :) |
| 07:31.23 | rohanpm | I listen to Ogg Vorbis (NOT OGG!) all the time on my GNU/Linux (NOT LINUX!) machine |
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| 07:32.36 | XVampireX | rohanpm: most people who say ogg mean ogg/vorbis and most people who say linux mean gnu/linux |
| 07:32.51 | qupada | actually technically you only listen to vorbis, the ogg container tends not to provide anything to the audio coming from your speakers |
| 07:32.57 | rohanpm | XVampireX: Oh! Thanks. Everything is much clearer to me now. |
| 07:33.13 | XVampireX | Yeah >_< |
| 07:33.30 | rohanpm | Actually I think the whole GNU/Linux thing is just dumb |
| 07:33.35 | Shirakawasuna | it is |
| 07:33.36 | Shirakawasuna | very very dumb |
| 07:33.41 | Shirakawasuna | like star wars vs star trek |
| 07:34.18 | rohanpm | How dare you say Star Wars vs Star Trek is dumb, I'm writing my Masters thesis on that |
| 07:34.52 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
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| 07:35.08 | Shirakawasuna | they're not even the same genre ;) |
| 07:35.26 | Shirakawasuna | which is better? Tolkien or Kill Bill? |
| 07:35.28 | Sho_ | Calling it GNU/Linux does solve the problem of explaining that Linux is not an OS, though ;) |
| 07:35.50 | ma3x | something's buggy here. I check 'Use another style: Qt' then click apply, and exit. Then when I start KDE Conrol panel 'Use my KDE style is checked again' |
| 07:36.00 | rohanpm | Sho_: true |
| 07:36.16 | rohanpm | GNU/Linux is just silly because it's skewed towards the GNU project |
| 07:36.32 | Sho_ | ma3x: Well, Qt==Use my KDE Style |
| 07:36.54 | Sho_ | rohanpm: Well in times of lines of code, there's likely more GNU code in your Linux distro than in the kernel |
| 07:37.03 | Sho_ | *in terms of |
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| 07:37.25 | qupada | unfortunately 'gnu' and 'linux' don't lend themselves to a contraction, gnunux just doesn't do it for me |
| 07:37.37 | qupada | :D |
| 07:37.38 | rohanpm | Sho_: oh yeah, sure, I don't mean it is skewed towards GNU over Linux, I mean it is skewed towards GNU over every non-GNU piece of software on my system |
| 07:37.41 | Shirakawasuna | psh |
| 07:37.45 | Shirakawasuna | it's stupid because it has a slash :) |
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| 07:38.08 | Shirakawasuna | yay, my kernel has two names |
| 07:38.24 | Shirakawasuna | one of which is pronounced hilariously |
| 07:38.34 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: That's probably the best argument against it I've heard so far (the slash thing) |
| 07:39.14 | Shirakawasuna | people don't expect GNU/Linux to be something as expandable as it is.... |
| 07:39.17 | rohanpm | It is funny to see people talking so seriously, & even having flamewars, about a name which was deliberately chosen to be 'funny' |
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| 07:41.20 | qupada | 'gnu' does lend itself to some fairly funny pronounciations |
| 07:41.39 | qupada | mind you, i've heard a few people with some interesting interpretations of 'linux' too |
| 07:41.40 | Shirakawasuna | gunoo! |
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| 07:42.08 | qupada | yeah, there are people who take it to have a silent g sound though... 'noo' |
| 07:42.14 | Shirakawasuna | I think the stupid names are distracting :) |
| 07:42.46 | ma3x | hm, just noticed: when I change one of the fonts and then click apply, 'Use another font' is autochecked, instead of 'use my kde fonts in gtk applications' |
| 07:42.53 | ma3x | is that bug or can you explain it? |
| 07:42.57 | Sho_ | I'd say Gnome is worse than GNU, pronounciation-wise .. ;) |
| 07:43.05 | Shirakawasuna | gnome is pretty bad, too |
| 07:43.12 | Shirakawasuna | KDE has its stupid K apps |
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| 07:43.39 | Sho_ | The K apps aren't that stupid, on the whole - users do rely on it to tell whether an app is going to work well on their KDE desktop |
| 07:43.44 | Sho_ | In that sense it has been successful |
| 07:44.14 | Shirakawasuna | true |
| 07:44.15 | Sho_ | besides, "Konversation" is the best k-name ever |
| 07:44.16 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 07:44.22 | Japsu | k-names are stupid |
| 07:44.28 | Shirakawasuna | I don't dislike the K names as much as gnu/linux |
| 07:44.35 | Japsu | though I made one up myself, too |
| 07:44.36 | Shirakawasuna | they're tolerable if not still silly |
| 07:44.42 | rabauke | Hello! Can anyone tell me which window decoration and style is used in the filelight screenshot? http://www.methylblue.com/filelight/ |
| 07:45.00 | Japsu | "telephonik"... the software doesn't do anything yet though :) |
| 07:45.02 | ma3x | is 'use antialiased fonts' good? |
| 07:45.07 | Japsu | ma3x: yes |
| 07:45.12 | Japsu | ma3x: it makes fonts look better |
| 07:45.14 | Shirakawasuna | rabauke: the window decoration looks like the one that comes w/ compiz |
| 07:45.26 | Shirakawasuna | rabauke: I think the style is QtCurve |
| 07:45.28 | Sho_ | See, if you had asked me, I would have said "no / it makes fonts look worse" :) |
| 07:45.33 | Sho_ | So, try and see for yourself |
| 07:45.50 | Shirakawasuna | rabauke: QtCurve is very cool :O) |
| 07:46.00 | rohanpm | I don't like antialiasing on non-LCDs |
| 07:46.06 | rabauke | I had a look at kde-look.org, thanks, I'll look again |
| 07:46.23 | Japsu | yeah well I don't support CRTs any more :) |
| 07:46.31 | Shirakawasuna | rabauke: I've tried finding that window dec before. Tell me if you find a native one |
| 07:46.33 | rabauke | BTW Konversation is not a K-name but an actual word, in some languages :) |
| 07:46.42 | Japsu | all my displays are quite flat |
| 07:46.51 | qupada | rabauke: likewise 'konsole' |
| 07:46.53 | Sho_ | rabauke: Its current maintainer happens to be German ;) |
| 07:47.00 | Shirakawasuna | deutsch! |
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| 07:47.24 | Sho_ | rabauke: As was the original project founder |
| 07:47.38 | Shirakawasuna | und das ist warum ich die K-named austehen kann |
| 07:47.51 | qupada | contrary to some people's opinions too, there are actually some apps that have a k, but are perfect english words. 'kitchensync' comes to mind |
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| 07:48.08 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 07:48.21 | Shirakawasuna | not limiting yourself to K can produce some cool sounding apps, though :) |
| 07:49.00 | Sho_ | yeah, like iAnything ... ;) |
| 07:49.01 | rabauke | one should not force it, but the k is a well known hint to KDE, so useful in terms of the brand |
| 07:49.47 | qupada | some of the names are just plain clever too, it has to be said. 'akregator' is a particularly well done name if you ask me |
| 07:50.05 | Sho_ | Hm, Akregator is one of the worse ones IMO |
| 07:50.19 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 07:50.29 | Sho_ | Replacing gg with k is just ... forced |
| 07:50.32 | Shirakawasuna | everyone knows that iSuck is a dumb naming system, too :) |
| 07:50.54 | rohanpm | I like Akregator, but I can't think of any other word which has a k followed by an r... it's not natural to say |
| 07:51.04 | Shirakawasuna | gnome's newer applets/apps may have some silly names, but I still prefer ala carte to akregator |
| 07:51.22 | Shirakawasuna | how about KRSS? |
| 07:51.27 | qupada | rohanpm: 'crayon' produces exactly the same sound |
| 07:51.55 | rohanpm | qupada: ah, good. now I do know of one :-) although, it being at the beginning of the word makes it easier I think |
| 07:52.20 | Sho_ | Ak'regator ... sounds Klingon |
| 07:52.45 | rohanpm | Well, Klingons would use KDE obviously |
| 07:52.46 | Shirakawasuna | it just sounds stupid :) |
| 07:52.51 | rohanpm | Just look at the name of their species |
| 07:52.54 | Sho_ | Klingon Desktop Environment, indeed |
| 07:52.58 | Shirakawasuna | it's hard to even think of pronouncing it :) |
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| 07:56.40 | Shirakawasuna | in case anyone cares, my kuroo experience was one of failure :) |
| 07:57.02 | qupada | Shirakawasuna: doesn't in the least suprise me |
| 07:57.21 | Sho_ | worked fine here |
| 07:57.50 | Shirakawasuna | ha |
| 07:57.59 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: I dare you to let it touch package.keywords ;) |
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| 07:58.16 | Shirakawasuna | on the other hand it did alphabetize it |
| 07:58.30 | Shirakawasuna | then again it un-~-versioned everything |
| 07:59.14 | Shirakawasuna | a couple more releases and I'll try it again |
| 07:59.38 | Shirakawasuna | wow |
| 07:59.54 | Shirakawasuna | so...why aren't you just running ~x86? :) |
| 08:00.20 | Shirakawasuna | I've gotten my desktop down to 3 entries |
| 08:00.23 | Sho_ | well, if I were running ~x86, I'd often have to package.mask a lot of crap that isn't ready yet |
| 08:00.35 | Sho_ | And I prefer it the other way around, to selectively unmask what I know I want from testing |
| 08:00.42 | Shirakawasuna | makes sense |
| 08:00.48 | Shirakawasuna | I was mostly just making fun of you :) |
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| 08:04.58 | Tomasu | interesting little nugget: kate --version: Kate: 2.5.4 |
| 08:05.10 | Tomasu | should that not be 3.5.4? |
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| 08:05.21 | Sho_ | Tomasu: KDE applications have their own version numbers |
| 08:05.24 | Shirakawasuna | 2.5.2, here |
| 08:05.29 | Tomasu | most dont... |
| 08:05.34 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Most do |
| 08:05.38 | Tomasu | the fact that its one number off... |
| 08:05.38 | Shirakawasuna | I think kate is version 2 |
| 08:05.56 | Shirakawasuna | my kwrite is version 4.5.2 |
| 08:06.00 | Tomasu | just looked weird |
| 08:06.02 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
| 08:06.05 | Sho_ | Tomasu: The Kate version number is unrelated to KDEs version number |
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| 08:06.27 | Tomasu | I see... |
| 08:06.28 | Sho_ | Tomasu: BTW your Konsole is 1.6.4 ;) |
| 08:06.35 | Tomasu | yeah, just saw that |
| 08:06.40 | Sho_ | Your Akregator is 1.2.4 :) |
| 08:06.41 | Shirakawasuna | haha |
| 08:07.07 | Tomasu | with it having the exact minor and sub version it looks suspicious... |
| 08:07.12 | Sho_ | better yet, your Kopete is 0.11.4 |
| 08:07.18 | Sho_ | :) |
| 08:07.33 | Sho_ | unless your distro replaced it with the seperately released 0.12.x |
| 08:08.01 | Tomasu | nope, I seem to be running 11.3 actually |
| 08:08.28 | Sho_ | I wasn't 100% sure what version is in 3.5.4 - I'm running 0.12.2 atm |
| 08:08.35 | Tomasu | heh |
| 08:08.49 | Sho_ | The Kopete team released a 0.12 seperately at some point between KDE 3.5.2 and KDE 3.5.3 |
| 08:08.49 | Tomasu | yeah, I thought I was.. probably just havent bothred since 3.5.4 |
| 08:09.02 | Sho_ | KDE 3.5.5 will have 0.12.2, 3.5.4 still shipped 0.11.x |
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| 08:09.38 | Tomasu | god I wish this build of boost would finish... its all headers.. how long can it take to compile headers? :o |
| 08:09.51 | Renze | 57 years |
| 08:10.05 | Tomasu | seems like it. |
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| 08:11.31 | Shirakawasuna | oh yeah |
| 08:11.40 | Tomasu | heh |
| 08:11.41 | benJIman|work | kopete being in kdenetwork is a pain |
| 08:11.48 | Shirakawasuna | I'm looking forward to any new processor, gah |
| 08:11.55 | Shirakawasuna | anything but me thunderbird |
| 08:12.07 | Renze | Sho_: buy one for me too |
| 08:12.17 | Tomasu | yeah, I could use a couple |
| 08:12.34 | Tomasu | the best I can do is a new X2 3800 939 |
| 08:12.34 | Sho_ | Renze: dream on :P |
| 08:12.38 | Tomasu | and in about a month... |
| 08:12.45 | Renze | Sho_: I shall! ;) |
| 08:12.46 | Tomasu | since I need a gfx card and mobo for that >:( |
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| 08:13.29 | Shirakawasuna | I'm looking at a sff PC....btw: P4 or celeron D? |
| 08:13.45 | Shirakawasuna | I've heard a lot of hate about P4s...at lot about celerons too |
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| 08:15.31 | hagabaka | why is Kmail really slow when "receiving" mail from a local mailbox? |
| 08:18.13 | tuxick | kmail using 99% cpu on a large mail :) |
| 08:18.21 | Renze | hagabaka: I used to use fetchmail to grab all my mail to my local spool... kmail would import it very fast |
| 08:18.29 | tuxick | this beast needs work :/ |
| 08:18.50 | Renze | tuxick: you have access to the source... make it better :) |
| 08:19.12 | tuxick | Renze: past 10 years i've run into at least 100 projects that need fixing |
| 08:19.16 | hagabaka | for me it's much slower than remote accounts, and kmail gets very unresponsive |
| 08:19.18 | tuxick | i've got bills to pay |
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| 08:19.37 | Shirakawasuna | tuxick: you could always pick one :) |
| 08:20.16 | bluelightning | I think with all of the changes behind the scenes kmail will improve quite a bit in kde4 |
| 08:20.28 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 08:20.33 | hagabaka | would it be possible to let kmail just read the mail in place, instead of copying to another mbox? |
| 08:20.33 | Shirakawasuna | KDE4, the nerds' holy grail |
| 08:20.41 | tuxick | Shirakawasuna: i'm on at least 30 mailinglists, just to report damn bugs |
| 08:20.53 | Shirakawasuna | tuxick: that sounds like enough to me :) |
| 08:20.54 | tuxick | not to mention the vast amount of bugtrackers i'm on |
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| 08:21.30 | tuxick | hagabaka: use imap! |
| 08:22.05 | hagabaka | i tried it, but the imapd on my distro is really badly documented |
| 08:22.07 | Tomasu | tuxick: please don't tell me you use bugzilla.. the bug tracker from hell :o |
| 08:22.43 | hagabaka | it presented my whole home directory to Kmail, and i didn't know how to change that |
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| 08:23.10 | tuxick | Tomasu: even kde project uses that thing :/ |
| 08:23.10 | Fly_101 | yooo |
| 08:23.24 | Sho_ | tuxick: A considerably modified version, however |
| 08:23.25 | tuxick | i think bugzilla is why open source projects stay broken |
| 08:23.34 | Japsu | lol |
| 08:23.36 | tuxick | it discourages people from reporting bugs |
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| 08:23.39 | tuxick | Sho_: granted |
| 08:23.40 | Tomasu | tuxick: hence why I rarely post bugs I find. bugzilla is more annoying than most software bugs. |
| 08:23.45 | Fly_101 | whats wrong with bugzilla ? |
| 08:23.45 | bluelightning | tuxick: I'd have to agree |
| 08:23.46 | tuxick | ZARRO BOOGS |
| 08:23.54 | hagabaka | bugzilla discourages people from reporting bugs? |
| 08:23.55 | tuxick | Fly_101: it's the worst user interface ever |
| 08:23.56 | bluelightning | though kde's modified one is a lot better |
| 08:24.04 | tuxick | maybe after mailmain web interface |
| 08:24.07 | Tomasu | its still bugzilla. |
| 08:24.08 | tuxick | bluelightning: quite |
| 08:24.18 | Sho_ | Well, to be honest, if someone is too lazy to use Bugzilla, their bug reports would most likely tend to be non-useful anyway |
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| 08:24.21 | Fly_101 | im sure theres more many open source bug reporting software's out there |
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| 08:24.31 | tuxick | mantis is nice |
| 08:24.44 | Fly_101 | though' i dont need anything like that |
| 08:24.49 | bluelightning | I like mantis, but its searching interface isn't that great |
| 08:24.51 | Tomasu | Sho_: its not about being lazy, its about an interface being incomprehensible, and a pain in the but. |
| 08:25.03 | Tomasu | like gnome ;) |
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| 08:25.36 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Well, fix it then ... the kde-www team always needs helpers, and a new version of BKO is in the works currently |
| 08:25.57 | Tomasu | fix gnome? why? ;) |
| 08:26.10 | Sho_ | But aside from the slightly confusing app search, the wizard isn't hat incomprehensible, IMO ... |
| 08:26.23 | Tomasu | besides, Im not a kde member, I dislike web dev, and I have other responsibilites |
| 08:26.23 | Sho_ | *that |
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| 08:26.27 | hagabaka | i think most bugzillas have the best interfaces among web applications |
| 08:26.38 | Fly_101 | what language is Smoke written in ??? |
| 08:26.58 | Fly_101 | !smoke |
| 08:27.04 | Fly_101 | ?smoke |
| 08:27.11 | Fly_101 | pos |
| 08:27.14 | Tomasu | currently I'm hacking away at a script to convert a open source lib's wiki from twiki to mediawiki... its not been fun. |
| 08:27.55 | Sho_ | Fly_101: Perl, IIRC |
| 08:28.10 | Fly_101 | Sho_: wtf |
| 08:28.19 | Tomasu | great. boost failed ::) |
| 08:28.20 | Fly_101 | Smoke is written in Perl ? |
| 08:28.21 | Tomasu | stupid pita |
| 08:28.39 | Sho_ | Fly_101: Smoke is a code generator, and that generator happens to be a bunch of Perl scripts, yes |
| 08:28.46 | Sho_ | _IIRC_ |
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| 08:29.01 | Tomasu | and parsing and groking text is what perl does best. |
| 08:29.03 | Japsu | what's smoke |
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| 08:29.10 | Fly_101 | Sho_: i am talking about Smoke the thing that easily lets you write bindings so you can use KDE drawing widgets |
| 08:29.17 | Tomasu | Japsu: binding generator iirc. |
| 08:29.22 | hagabaka | if wiki software were good, they should all generate semantic HTML, so that it would be very easy for them to take another wiki page and revert to its own syntax |
| 08:29.26 | Sho_ | Japsu: A code generator for bindings of programming languages to kdelibs and Qt |
| 08:29.29 | Sho_ | Fly_101: So do I |
| 08:29.30 | Japsu | hmm the thing they used to write qt-ruby? |
| 08:29.48 | Tomasu | hagabaka: itd be difficult to handle all the revisions that way... |
| 08:30.05 | Fly_101 | well im going to try and write a Ocaml KDE library if its possible with little hassle |
| 08:30.27 | hagabaka | that's a good point |
| 08:30.38 | Tomasu | I wonder how I can instlal net-im/kopete allong side kde-base/kdenetwork.... |
| 08:30.48 | Tomasu | *install |
| 08:31.03 | Japsu | I still haven't really understood how a graphical user interface can ever fit in the functional programming paradigm :P |
| 08:31.23 | hagabaka | but if they manage to do it without worry about revisions correctly, then it would be easy to use another program to automate the revisions too |
| 08:31.25 | Fly_101 | Japsu: are you calling ocaml a functional language ? |
| 08:31.44 | Sho_ | Japsu: Try reading the glib source and discover that you can't understand how because it doesn't work |
| 08:31.45 | hagabaka | ugh i'm saying gibberish |
| 08:31.50 | hagabaka | good night |
| 08:31.52 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: I shall be of assistance |
| 08:32.03 | Japsu | Fly_101: I know it's not pure functional like haskell, but it's still regarded a "functional language" afaik |
| 08:32.06 | Tomasu | Shirakawasuna: \o/ |
| 08:32.07 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: you don't. You emerge -C kdenetwork |
| 08:32.11 | Tomasu | um, no |
| 08:32.19 | Tomasu | Im not about to rebuild kde AGAIN |
| 08:32.22 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: or is this another distro? |
| 08:32.28 | Fly_101 | Japsu: you can program however you want C like C++ OO like or Functional like Haskell like |
| 08:32.29 | Japsu | Tomasu: lol that's what ccache is for |
| 08:32.32 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: that's the only way you can do it not-painfully |
| 08:32.35 | Tomasu | and the full install of kde-meta would take for bloddy ever |
| 08:32.41 | Tomasu | Japsu: still would take a while. |
| 08:32.57 | Japsu | Tomasu: sure, but a while < ages |
| 08:33.00 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: using non-meta and non-split KDE packages is silly |
| 08:33.15 | Tomasu | using packages not the way KDE distributes them is silly |
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| 08:33.34 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Then don't do a full install, but merely replace kdenetwork with kdenetwork-meta |
| 08:33.35 | Tomasu | having to constantly decompress and reconfigure every single sub lib and project is INSANE |
| 08:33.46 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Then use confcache |
| 08:33.52 | Tomasu | its been removed |
| 08:33.57 | Tomasu | and masked iirc |
| 08:34.10 | Tomasu | deosnt fix the actual problem anyhow |
| 08:34.34 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Well it does fix your particular problem of replacing Kopete ;) |
| 08:34.51 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: no it's not |
| 08:34.52 | Tomasu | for gentoo's split packages to be "proper", theyd need to split up the packages themselves. then itd be cool. |
| 08:35.17 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: emerge -C kdenetwork and emerge explicitly the network packages you still want |
| 08:35.19 | Tomasu | * dev-util/confcache [ Masked ] |
| 08:35.28 | Tomasu | I want them all. |
| 08:35.31 | Shirakawasuna | don't use confcache |
| 08:35.51 | Tomasu | I dont... |
| 08:36.03 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: then emerge kdenetwork-meta |
| 08:36.12 | Shirakawasuna | confcache is known to be broken/buggy |
| 08:36.16 | Tomasu | which takes about 5x longer than kdenetwork |
| 08:37.31 | bluelightning | trouble is, the non-split packages sometimes lag behind the split ones when a new release comes out |
| 08:37.38 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: only when you want to redo kopete next time you won't have to deal with the stupid kdenetwork package |
| 08:37.41 | bluelightning | I am running a partly split, partly non-split install here |
| 08:37.45 | bluelightning | seems to work ok |
| 08:38.02 | Fly_101 | Japsu: but Ocaml can be used and is used as a functional language most of the time .......its one of its kind |
| 08:38.09 | Fly_101 | i use an iterative way though |
| 08:38.11 | Tomasu | Shirakawasuna: they should have done it properly in the first place. |
| 08:38.13 | Fly_101 | with some OO elements |
| 08:38.14 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: seriously, split ebuilds is THE way to do it. Might as well get used to it, too, as KDE4 is going to be split ebuilds/meta only |
| 08:38.29 | Tomasu | instead of this stupid broken method they started using for xmms, and then kde... |
| 08:38.35 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: they gave you a guide - you should have read the KDE guide and then went w/ split ebuilds |
| 08:38.58 | Tomasu | my "server" is using split just cause it only has a small subset of the packages. |
| 08:39.10 | rohanpm | I much prefer non-split ebuilds |
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| 08:39.46 | Tomasu | again, they should have implemented the split pacckages PROPERLY. you know instead of decompressing huge archives and reconfigureing them for each sub ebuild. |
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| 08:41.20 | Tomasu | I remember back when I still used xmms... it took longer to install 2 split xmms plugins than to install the entire non split version. |
| 08:41.42 | valderman | Could someone help me with a simple keyboard problem? |
| 08:42.00 | hagabaka | split ebuilds means package per application? |
| 08:42.09 | Tomasu | aye. and per lib. |
| 08:42.25 | hagabaka | would KDE4 be that way for most other distros too? |
| 08:42.52 | Tomasu | if kde distros everything the same as they do now, no. not even in gentoo. |
| 08:43.13 | Tomasu | gentoo downloads the same monolithic packages, and just treats certian packages as split... |
| 08:43.22 | hagabaka | oh |
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| 08:44.09 | benJIman|work | most distros split kde to a certain extent, gentoo more than others |
| 08:44.14 | hagabaka | i wish they'd split things up in the build system. there are so many programs i have installed but never use |
| 08:44.18 | benJIman|work | gentoo also seems to have more problems with it than others |
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| 08:44.51 | Tomasu | the idea is GREAT. |
| 08:44.56 | Tomasu | the implementation, very poor. |
| 08:45.24 | Tomasu | maybe it has to do with the entire portage system being coded in python, and bash? |
| 08:45.25 | valderman | After starting a KDE session, I'm unable to type international (more specifically, Swedish) characters. However, the keyboard layout isn't US, since other keys such as < and ' are where I expect them to be |
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| 08:45.39 | valderman | Deleting .kde temporarily fixes the problem |
| 08:46.04 | valderman | I'm using Debian testing/AMD64 with KDE from the unstable repository, version 3.5.4 IIRC |
| 08:46.14 | valderman | Anyone have any idea what causes this? |
| 08:46.21 | hagabaka | is Gentoo "allowed" to split up the source packages? |
| 08:46.43 | Tomasu | they patch it, so why not? |
| 08:46.52 | Sho_ | Tomasu: They don't |
| 08:47.02 | Tomasu | gentoo aplies patches to everything afaik |
| 08:47.05 | Sho_ | Tomasu: They apply patches, yes, but leave the original tarballs unmodified |
| 08:47.22 | Sho_ | Tomasu: And they patch KDE a lot less than just about any other distro, for that matter |
| 08:47.34 | Tomasu | yeah, they dont customize it much at all |
| 08:47.45 | Tomasu | but they will add some bug fixes |
| 08:47.53 | hagabaka | what about Slackware? :) |
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| 08:49.25 | Tomasu | um, other distros split up packages into separate "rpm"s or whatnot. I dont see why gentoo cant. |
| 08:50.04 | Renze | splitting up source is much harder than binaries |
| 08:50.05 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Gentoo does not use rpms or whatnot |
| 08:50.13 | Tomasu | same idea. packages are packages. |
| 08:50.18 | Sho_ | Tomasu: No |
| 08:50.24 | Renze | not even close |
| 08:50.24 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Gentoo has no "packages" in that sense |
| 08:50.30 | Tomasu | to me it does. |
| 08:50.49 | Sho_ | Tomasu: a Gentoo "package" is a text file, a so-called "ebuild", that contains a recipe how to unpack, configure, compile and install an original source tarball |
| 08:50.56 | Tomasu | it provides easily installed _packages_ for the user to install. |
| 08:51.05 | Tomasu | Sho_: bash script actually. |
| 08:51.08 | Renze | Tomasu: an ebuild is nothing like an rpm |
| 08:51.15 | Renze | python |
| 08:51.17 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Yes, and the ease of use does not rise or fall with how the tarballs it uses look like |
| 08:51.18 | Tomasu | nope. |
| 08:51.22 | Tomasu | the ebuilds are bash |
| 08:51.57 | Tomasu | if they were python, I bet portage/emerge would be alot faster... |
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| 08:52.17 | Sho_ | Tomasu: You need to realize that using the original source tarballs is one of the reasons why many people use Gentoo to begin with |
| 08:52.33 | tech9iner | moin Sho_ |
| 08:52.35 | Sho_ | Tomasu: It's one of the core attributes that make the distro what it is |
| 08:52.38 | Tomasu | they use it because they like compiling stuff ;) |
| 08:52.40 | Renze | Tomasu: portage is written entirely in python |
| 08:52.47 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Exactly |
| 08:52.51 | Tomasu | Renze: portage yes, ebuilds NOT |
| 08:53.16 | Sho_ | Tomasu: And "compiling stuff" is particularly attractive when you want to modify the ebuild to apply own patchsets, which is just easier when it uses the original tarballs instead of some Gentoo concoctions |
| 08:53.17 | Tomasu | Sho_: splitting one massive package into several smaller ones doesnt really change anything. except save time installing it |
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| 08:53.41 | Tomasu | s/package/tarball/ |
| 08:53.43 | Sho_ | Tomasu: To be honest, maybe you should just look into a binary distro |
| 08:53.49 | rohanpm | Tomasu: why would that save time installing it? |
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| 08:54.33 | Tomasu | rohanpm: split ebuilds need you to uncompress and configure the main tar ball each time you install a split package thats apart of the main ebuild. |
| 08:55.09 | Tomasu | Sho_: I've been using gentoo for a good 2 years now, was on debian... I like gentoo. I dislike the way the kde split ebuilds work |
| 08:55.41 | hagabaka | i think that's limited by KDE and Gentoo's principles |
| 08:55.52 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: because you don't quite get the benefits ;) |
| 08:56.08 | Tomasu | I get them on my server, but its still awefully dirty. |
| 08:56.21 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: while it may take longer to do the first compile of all of KDE, if you wanted to say upgrade kopete like you want to do now it only requires recompiling 1 package |
| 08:56.26 | Tomasu | I like elegant. the split ebuilds are FAR from it. |
| 08:56.47 | Tomasu | Shirakawasuna: it could take even less time if it didnt have to use the original tarball. |
| 08:56.53 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: given that statement you should stay away from gentoo ;) |
| 08:56.54 | Tomasu | and less disk space. :o |
| 08:57.04 | Tomasu | hah |
| 08:57.11 | Tomasu | why? |
| 08:57.14 | Tomasu | its the same diff. |
| 08:57.20 | Tomasu | same code, modified build scripts. |
| 08:57.34 | Shirakawasuna | so you can patch upstream |
| 08:57.41 | Tomasu | things can still be patched. |
| 08:57.51 | Tomasu | I didnt say they had to make a fork or anything. |
| 08:58.10 | Tomasu | just make some automated way of spliting the tarballs prior to releasing a new ebuild |
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| 08:58.58 | vehbi | I cant find show desktop icon , how can can I add it to toolbar |
| 08:59.09 | Shirakawasuna | vehbi: which toolbar? |
| 08:59.19 | Tomasu | if split is such a good idea, why doesnt KDE do it that way? |
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| 09:00.03 | Shirakawasuna | other distros don't need to recompile/don't have USE flags |
| 09:00.21 | Tomasu | that has nothing to do with split packages. |
| 09:00.22 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Mostly because it makes development easier |
| 09:00.24 | Shirakawasuna | somewhat like asking 'why don't all distros act exactly like gentoo'? |
| 09:00.31 | Renze | Tomasu: go ahead and try splitting up one of the KDE tarballs in such a way that they all still build, then come back and talk about how easy it should be. |
| 09:00.35 | Tomasu | distros release kde in split form... |
| 09:00.51 | vehbi | Shirakawasuna, : not toolbar , I forget it is name, the bar which is under the screen , on it icons,clock,.... |
| 09:00.52 | Tomasu | Renze: hey, it "should" be easy ;) |
| 09:01.03 | Shirakawasuna | vehbi: the bottom panel :) |
| 09:01.09 | Renze | Tomasu: as binary, it IS easy... as source it's a pain in the ass |
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| 09:01.16 | hagabaka | or Slackware it's one package per one source tarball. kde-networks, kde-pim, etc |
| 09:01.18 | Tomasu | I wonder why... |
| 09:01.18 | Tomasu | ;) |
| 09:01.19 | Shirakawasuna | vehbi: right click on it > add applet > show desktop :0 |
| 09:01.20 | vehbi | Shirakawasuna, ::) |
| 09:01.24 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
| 09:01.26 | Renze | Tomasu: if you can't realise this, you're not as smart as I thought you were |
| 09:01.44 | Tomasu | each part should have its separate structure... |
| 09:01.55 | Tomasu | if it doesnt, things are way to interdependant. |
| 09:02.10 | Tomasu | hey, if Xorg could, kde can. |
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| 09:02.20 | Sho_ | Doesn't mean KDE has to or wants to |
| 09:02.23 | vehbi | Shirakawasuna, :it is ok |
| 09:02.23 | Renze | Xorg is less complicated than KDE |
| 09:02.33 | Shirakawasuna | vehbi: did it work? |
| 09:02.42 | Tomasu | Sho_: but its what everyone wants... and its such a good idea. |
| 09:02.49 | Tomasu | Renze: X is less complicated? :o |
| 09:02.51 | vehbi | Shirakawasuna, :yes I didnt know that it was an applet |
| 09:02.53 | Tomasu | I doubt that. |
| 09:03.00 | Renze | Tomasu: MUCH less complicated |
| 09:03.01 | Shirakawasuna | vehbi: ah, good |
| 09:03.04 | vehbi | I think that it is a program on its own |
| 09:03.09 | Sho_ | Tomasu: For your convenience on a niche distro that nobody who really matters uses: perhaps |
| 09:03.14 | Shirakawasuna | vehbi: yep, it's an applet |
| 09:03.24 | vehbi | thanks |
| 09:03.25 | Tomasu | X is a 20 year old beast with so much cruft you wouldnt know what to do with. |
| 09:03.58 | Tomasu | niche distro? |
| 09:04.04 | Renze | Tomasu: yet it is considerably less complicated than KDE, because in essence it does a lot less |
| 09:04.07 | Sho_ | X isn't that crufty these days, and getting less crufty every week |
| 09:04.21 | Tomasu | ja. the split helped ALOT |
| 09:04.22 | Sho_ | Thanks to the x.org fork :) |
| 09:04.34 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu's idea is like my idea for binary gentoo - kinda nice but wholly unworkable/undesirable use of time :) |
| 09:04.42 | Tomasu | Renze: each part of kde cant be more complex :P |
| 09:04.52 | vehbi | are there any distributions which uses smt like microsoft gui api? not X |
| 09:04.56 | Renze | Tomasu: KDE as a whole is more complex |
| 09:05.07 | Tomasu | as a whole, but its already split up into the sub packages |
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| 09:05.48 | Sho_ | Tomasu: KDE receives a number of benefits from being organized in modules, in my personal opinion. It heightens integration and synergy between related applications by encouraging them to come up and use shared frameworks, for example. There are multiple examples of that in the PIM module, but also in the games module and others. KDE would be less well integrated if it weren't organized into modules. |
| 09:06.00 | rohanpm | The split ebuilds aren't really done correctly... I submitted this somewhat amusing bug a while ago... http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138675 |
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| 09:06.10 | Shirakawasuna | for once it's not my hair-brained idea getting picked apart |
| 09:06.12 | rohanpm | Sadly no-one has touched it |
| 09:06.51 | hagabaka | but within the sub packages there are many dependencies. kopete has this hook to kmail, and kmail has one to kopete, and both use kaddressbook... |
| 09:07.09 | Sho_ | hagabaka: And that's a good thing |
| 09:07.09 | Tomasu | thats what dependency checking package managers are for. |
| 09:07.16 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: perhaps we should make the severity 'Critical' ;) |
| 09:07.26 | Sho_ | If they were released seperately, developers would naturally try to minimize dependencies |
| 09:07.41 | Sho_ | This way, they are free to be interdependent as much as they want within their module |
| 09:07.45 | Sho_ | It makes KDE better. |
| 09:07.45 | hagabaka | to split them up, every package would need to check for a lot of information. that's probably KDE distributes them together |
| 09:07.46 | Tomasu | they dont need to be developed separately... |
| 09:07.51 | rohanpm | Shirakawasuna: a good way to get yelled at :-) |
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| 09:08.14 | Shirakawasuna | yup |
| 09:08.23 | Ayabara | anyone using kdbg here? |
| 09:08.25 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: have you posted on the forums? |
| 09:08.35 | Sho_ | Ayabara: #kde-devel is probably a better place to ask |
| 09:08.44 | Tomasu | and besides, if you checkout the right folders when svn'ing a single kde program down, it builds and behaves just fine. |
| 09:08.48 | Shirakawasuna | sometimes people get more attention when they post on the forums |
| 09:08.48 | rohanpm | Shirakawasuna: about that bug, you mean? No |
| 09:08.55 | Ayabara | Sho_: thanks |
| 09:09.00 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: perhaps #gentoo-dev, even |
| 09:09.20 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: also, your bug is hilarious |
| 09:09.30 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Not quite. You need to check out a module and an app sub dir, not a single app folder. And if it happens to have dependencies on shared frameworks or other apps within that same module, you have to get those, too. |
| 09:09.34 | rohanpm | Shirakawasuna: Too many gentoo devs are quite abrasive, I'd rather just ignore the problem if no-one looks at the bug |
| 09:10.04 | Tomasu | Sho_: in many cases, I just grab the admin folder and the app, it seems to work fine. for those cases where it needs the module dir, that could be fixed.. |
| 09:10.07 | Sho_ | rohanpm: Diego 'flameeyes' Petteno usually has an open mind and ear |
| 09:10.16 | Sho_ | Tomasu: But it shouldn't be fixed |
| 09:10.17 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: I s'pose. Plus, KDE4 will be here soon...within 6 months, eh? |
| 09:10.22 | Sho_ | there is nothing to fix |
| 09:10.25 | hagabaka | Tomasu: the thing is kde developers prefer the current distribution method, or splitting is too difficult, and Gentoo does build scripts, not repackaged source packages. |
| 09:10.28 | Sho_ | 'fixing' it would make KDE worse :-) |
| 09:10.29 | Tomasu | Sho_: it can't hurt anything, only help |
| 09:10.44 | Tomasu | I dont see how it would make kde "worse" ::) |
| 09:10.56 | Tomasu | it would make it easier to package things separately, thats all. |
| 09:11.00 | Sho_ | Well, scroll up, I explained it |
| 09:11.20 | Sho_ | Packaging things seperately is just not a concern, really |
| 09:11.30 | Tomasu | I saw that, I dont belive it will make people automatically think everything cant depend on other kde libs ::) |
| 09:13.03 | Sho_ | It's really quite simple: If you put related applications into modules and tell developers they can count on everything in that module being published together, what happens is a natural synergy where the different apps come up with ways to write shared frameworks and reuse as much code as possible, which results in direct benefits for users in the form of tighter integration |
| 09:13.25 | Tomasu | Im talking build scripts, not the code. |
| 09:13.32 | rohanpm | Shirakawasuna: actually I wonder if there are other packages like that... there could be quite a few, I only noticed that one because I happened to be watching during the merge to the filesystem |
| 09:13.47 | Sho_ | If you do away with that, and tell developers that every piece is released on its own, they'll start getting "Not Invented Here Syndrome" and try to minimzie outside dependencies and reinvent the wheel |
| 09:13.54 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: I bet/hope that split KDE4 will be a bit more refined :) |
| 09:13.57 | Sho_ | Which results in less integration and more bugs |
| 09:13.59 | Tomasu | the code wouldny be on its own ... |
| 09:14.07 | Tomasu | you just assume it will be. |
| 09:14.14 | Sho_ | It's a simple matter of project dynamics and developer psychology |
| 09:14.18 | Tomasu | you want to use libfoo in your program? use it. |
| 09:14.30 | Shirakawasuna | rohanpm: perhaps you could equery files everything, grep for the number of lines in each command, then show the ones with the fewest number |
| 09:15.43 | Tomasu | kde can and should still publish all the standard kde stuff at the same time, together. however making it easier to build them in a split fashion would be quite nice. |
| 09:16.44 | benJIman|work | other distros manage to split it up as sensible |
| 09:16.50 | benJIman|work | gentoo goes to extremes and it causes problems |
| 09:17.00 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: Not really, it works just fine in Gentoo |
| 09:17.18 | benJIman|work | Sho_: yet problems with it are probably the most FAQ in here |
| 09:17.21 | benJIman|work | not sure that's "just fine" |
| 09:17.21 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: What Tomasu is whining about is Gentoo's policy to use original source tarballs, which means the module tarballs are extracted for each split package, which causes some overhead |
| 09:17.32 | Tomasu | and the configure step |
| 09:17.40 | Tomasu | that takes an age for the big kde tar balls |
| 09:17.44 | benJIman|work | Sho_: other distributions do that too for split packages |
| 09:17.56 | benJIman|work | except they'll have one src rpm which produces multiple binaries for example |
| 09:18.02 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Right, and how would seperate app tarballs change the configure step? ;) |
| 09:18.12 | Tomasu | better build system? |
| 09:18.14 | Tomasu | ;) |
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| 09:18.23 | Tomasu | autotools needs to die imo |
| 09:18.28 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: Yeah, which is why Tomasu is whining about KDE not releasing seperate app tarballs, and I'm explaining why I believe that to be a bad idea |
| 09:18.39 | Sho_ | Tomasu: KDE4 will use CMake rather than autotools |
| 09:18.53 | Tomasu | I didnt say kdes policy to release monolithic tars was a bad idea and shouldnt be done :P |
| 09:18.58 | Tomasu | youre reading too much into this :P |
| 09:19.05 | Tomasu | and yes, I know about the cmake switch |
| 09:19.13 | Tomasu | I'm on the kde blog rss feed ;) |
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| 09:20.56 | rohanpm | I'm not convinced CMake is a good idea |
| 09:21.01 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: Most of the FAQ traffic stems from the fact that Gentoo continues to publish two sets of ebuilds, monolithic and split, and people are often either not aware of the difference or of the existance of one or the other |
| 09:21.28 | Tomasu | rohanpm: how so? |
| 09:21.42 | Tomasu | anything is better than autotools. even bash scripts. |
| 09:21.52 | annma | rohanpm: there's no perfect build system anyway |
| 09:21.53 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: indeed |
| 09:22.06 | annma | rohanpm: CMake is fast and easy |
| 09:22.07 | Shirakawasuna | once KDE4 goes stable those problems should go away, I'd imagine |
| 09:22.13 | Shirakawasuna | probably a year away at least, though :/ |
| 09:22.22 | Sho_ | annma: Hm, I've read a lot of bad things about CMake's speed recently, though ... |
| 09:22.37 | rohanpm | CMake seems basically "weird" the same way configure.ac etc are "weird" |
| 09:22.38 | Tomasu | Id suspect that a project as large as kde using it, would solidify cmake up nicely. |
| 09:22.49 | rohanpm | weird syntax, weird way of doing things |
| 09:22.55 | annma | Sho_: yes? well, on my use for KDE it's way quicker than automake |
| 09:22.55 | Tomasu | you would like m4 then. |
| 09:23.05 | Renze | rohanpm: we need voodoo to keep the mystery alive :D |
| 09:23.10 | Tomasu | haha |
| 09:23.10 | Sho_ | the CMake syntax is very weird, that is true |
| 09:23.18 | annma | Sho_: of course you will read everything and its contrary on the internet |
| 09:23.22 | annma | weird? |
| 09:23.24 | Sho_ | annma: True dat ;) |
| 09:23.28 | annma | why weird? |
| 09:23.43 | annma | no weirder than automake for the totally newbie that I am |
| 09:23.51 | Sho_ | annma: Having to repeat the condition of an if clause at the end of it, things like that |
| 09:23.59 | annma | bah |
| 09:24.04 | annma | come on |
| 09:24.05 | Tomasu | am/m4 is just horrible. I have to mess with auto* often enough... |
| 09:24.12 | annma | i am making a KDE4 template |
| 09:24.22 | annma | i managed to do the CMakefile easily |
| 09:24.27 | Sho_ | annma: Well, it may be better than automake, but while we're shooting for the stars it would have been nice if the CMake guys hat not chosen to reinvent the wheel on script syntax ;) |
| 09:24.38 | Sho_ | *had not |
| 09:24.42 | rohanpm | annma: I agree, it's not "weirder" than automake, I say it's equally weird, so why switch? |
| 09:24.56 | annma | rohanpm: it has many advantages |
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| 09:24.59 | annma | one is the sped |
| 09:25.02 | annma | speed |
| 09:25.09 | Tomasu | I started using this build "system", and prefer it to anything Ive seen so far: http://awiki.tomasu.org/CBUILD |
| 09:25.09 | annma | automake was VERY slow |
| 09:25.15 | Tomasu | one dependency, C89 |
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| 09:25.18 | Sho_ | rohanpm: Well, CMake is easier than autotools, that's true |
| 09:25.30 | annma | Tomasu: you could have presented it for kde |
| 09:25.37 | Tomasu | its a little new for that I think |
| 09:25.41 | annma | anyone was invited to contribute |
| 09:25.49 | annma | Tomasu: yes, that's it |
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| 09:25.51 | Sho_ | Too bad scons/bksys didn't work out |
| 09:25.55 | rohanpm | There is something I like better about CMake than autotools, which is that it's newer and hence less crufty |
| 09:25.58 | Sho_ | I would have loved to have a Python-based build system ;) |
| 09:26.00 | annma | CMake people are working hard for one thing |
| 09:26.01 | chab | what are the advantages of kded running and those of having killed all kded? |
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| 09:26.22 | annma | Sho_: well ita was alone on it |
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| 09:26.26 | rohanpm | CMake is all done with one syntax, not a bunch of different tools using their own weird macros and scripts, which is nice |
| 09:26.27 | Sho_ | chab: The advantage of having kded running is that your KDE works properly, the advantage of killing kded is non-existant :-) |
| 09:27.12 | chab | Sho_: what won't work without kded? |
| 09:27.18 | Tomasu | annma: new as in, It was written not too long ago.. after the kde switch decision was done iirc. |
| 09:27.42 | Tomasu | that and Im not sure its "profesional" enough for that ;) its a single C file that can be run as a shell script. |
| 09:27.42 | annma | Tomasu: well if it is very good it might be kde5 build system |
| 09:27.46 | Sho_ | chab: kded provides a number of important information and coordination services to applications and the environment |
| 09:27.58 | Tomasu | its quite flexible. but simple. |
| 09:28.06 | annma | the move from automake was not done in a rush |
| 09:28.13 | rohanpm | Anyway, there are some experienced KDE hackers whom I respect who say CMake is a good choice, I'll just trust they know what they're talking about |
| 09:28.21 | Renze | whatever happened to unsermake? |
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| 09:28.41 | Tomasu | Renze: doesnt that just generate cmake stuff or something? |
| 09:28.45 | Tomasu | I cant recall |
| 09:28.45 | chab | Sho_: such as? |
| 09:28.59 | Renze | Tomasu: no, it was a build system they tried about before choosing cmake |
| 09:29.05 | Tomasu | ah. |
| 09:29.07 | Renze | s/about/out/ |
| 09:29.10 | annma | Renze: unsermake was not an option, i don't remember why, maybe lack of devel |
| 09:29.15 | Renze | ah |
| 09:29.20 | Renze | yeah, that's understandable |
| 09:29.28 | Tomasu | weird that some docs seem to say that unsermake is in use... |
| 09:29.30 | annma | you need a maintainer for it |
| 09:29.35 | benJIman|work | there was bksys too |
| 09:29.36 | rohanpm | unsermake was like "make + coloured output" |
| 09:29.44 | benJIman|work | unsermake did progress bars too |
| 09:29.44 | annma | unsermake is in use for kde 3.5 |
| 09:29.51 | Tomasu | ah |
| 09:29.54 | Tomasu | thats why. |
| 09:29.59 | benJIman|work | and was far far faster than building with standard make |
| 09:30.05 | annma | unserrmake can be in use, to be precise |
| 09:30.13 | annma | along with automake |
| 09:30.26 | Sho_ | chab: System configuration caching (menus, MIME types), removable storage handling, network connection status, ... |
| 09:30.58 | Sho_ | chab: Print daemon, battery monitoring ... |
| 09:31.02 | Sho_ | chab: Favicon handling |
| 09:31.06 | Sho_ | chab: cookie handling |
| 09:31.10 | Sho_ | chab: password caching |
| 09:31.17 | Sho_ | chab: SSL certificate handling |
| 09:31.20 | Sho_ | chab: The list goes on |
| 09:31.29 | annma | anyway, all of you who would like to try the new KDE4 development, I am making a template of a simple KDE app |
| 09:31.29 | Tomasu | kde dies without some of the kded daemons ... |
| 09:31.38 | Tomasu | annma: \o/ |
| 09:31.39 | Sho_ | cuco: oww :) |
| 09:31.50 | annma | watch my blog to know more |
| 09:31.50 | Tomasu | aka: yay |
| 09:31.56 | annma | :) <shameless pub> |
| 09:32.01 | cuco | Sho_: open the tab that says "#konversation" |
| 09:32.02 | Tomasu | I do if youre on the kdeplanet list. |
| 09:32.14 | annma | of course i am |
| 09:32.17 | Tomasu | :) |
| 09:32.18 | annma | :) |
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| 09:32.32 | chab | Tomasu: which daemons? |
| 09:32.39 | cuco | Sho_: wait, you are using that crappy list on the side? tabs ownz you all, lists sux0rz |
| 09:32.41 | Tomasu | Ive always wanted to get into kde deving, but I have a list of "pending" projects about a mile long. |
| 09:33.04 | Tomasu | chab, kded's child daeomns like the cookie, ssl, wallet, and other stuff |
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| 09:33.22 | chab | Sho_: none of that seems really important ^^ just more "convenient" if it's done automatically. |
| 09:33.31 | Sho_ | cuco: That crappy list on the side happens to be quite popular |
| 09:33.44 | Tomasu | som things expect certian daemons to be there... |
| 09:33.45 | Sho_ | chab: Many of these are instrumental to the proper functioning of the environment |
| 09:33.46 | cuco | Sho_: that does not make it good. |
| 09:33.50 | Tomasu | kde becomes less usefull without them |
| 09:33.56 | Sho_ | chab: You can pretty much count on things going boom at some point without kded |
| 09:34.01 | chab | Tomasu: why would kde die if these daemons don't run anymore? |
| 09:34.02 | Tomasu | ja |
| 09:34.05 | Sho_ | chab: If you don't want kded, just don't run KDE, which amounts to the same thing ;) |
| 09:34.10 | Tomasu | they are a core part of kde. |
| 09:34.24 | Tomasu | theres a reason why you cant turn some of them off in the kontrol center. |
| 09:37.06 | chab | Sho_: apparently kded also runs on gnome if you use k3b, according to some k3b message posts. either way, I still don't see how cookie, ssl, wallet are needed if you don't use konqueror. |
| 09:37.42 | Tomasu | chab: anything that uses kio ? ;) |
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| 09:38.23 | benJIman|work | you can turn off individual kded services |
| 09:38.42 | Tomasu | all of them? I thought there was a couple that you couldnt... |
| 09:38.52 | Sho_ | chab: Various other apps make HTTP connections what end up using cookies or use SSL certificates |
| 09:39.01 | Sho_ | chab: If it were only Konqueror requiring these services, they wouldn't be in kded |
| 09:39.52 | benJIman|work | Tomasu: no not all of them |
| 09:40.07 | Tomasu | well it seems that all of the non load on demand ones have check boxes.. |
| 09:40.10 | Sho_ | chab: And of course starting k3b in Gnome will start kded ... k3b happens to be a KDE application and as every KDE application may expect to find a proper KDE environment to run in |
| 09:40.12 | Tomasu | I dont often look at that dialog. |
| 09:41.06 | chab | Sho_: yea, and kded apparently slows down burning speed with some burners.. |
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| 09:41.28 | Renze | is that crack smoke I smell? |
| 09:42.08 | Tomasu | I think it is. |
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| 09:42.37 | Tomasu | oh, another weekly planetkde spam :) |
| 09:44.01 | Sho_ | chab: Don't see why it would ... k3b burns ever happily here on my LG, anyhow |
| 09:44.44 | Sho_ | And btw, running a Gnome app in KDE will probably start gnome-settings-daemon as well these days ;) |
| 09:45.08 | Sho_ | Providing services like that to applications is simply a big part of what makes KDE and Gnome desktop environments rather than window managers with a panel app |
| 09:46.54 | chab | Sho_: I'll look for the post when I'm back, right now I have to resize / |
| 09:47.07 | Sho_ | o.O |
| 09:47.37 | Renze | users are dumb |
| 09:47.58 | benJIman|work | Sho_: and gnome-settings-daemon goes and hijacks the kde screensaver |
| 09:47.59 | Tomasu | :o |
| 09:48.00 | wizard123 | hi all |
| 09:48.09 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: hehe |
| 09:48.20 | Renze | Tomasu: so am I... but I'm talking about the average user |
| 09:48.33 | Tomasu | oh.. good thing Im a below average user then :D |
| 09:48.38 | wizard123 | :D |
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| 09:48.40 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: On the other hand, the Konversation OSD doesn't work in Gnome because it checks the screensaver state via DCOP ;) |
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| 09:55.34 | RockMan | ciao |
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| 10:00.08 | Shirakawasuna | what was the vector program that's soon to be/is ported to Qt? |
| 10:00.16 | Shirakawasuna | a KDE inkscape killer, as it were |
| 10:01.16 | Renze | you mean the recently open-sourced one? |
| 10:01.26 | Renze | can't remember the name |
| 10:01.54 | qupada | someone had better remember |
| 10:02.02 | qupada | i like inkscape, but i HATE gtk |
| 10:02.14 | qupada | been looking for a replacement |
| 10:02.48 | Sho_ | Renze: You mean Xara |
| 10:02.56 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: You probably mean Karbon14, which is in KOffice |
| 10:03.02 | Renze | Sho_: that's the one |
| 10:03.19 | qupada | http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ |
| 10:03.25 | Shirakawasuna | no, not karbon14 |
| 10:03.27 | qupada | ^ that'll be it then |
| 10:03.32 | Shirakawasuna | yeah! |
| 10:03.35 | Shirakawasuna | thanks :) |
| 10:03.42 | Sho_ | Xara/Linux is a GTK app, though |
| 10:03.53 | Renze | pity |
| 10:04.08 | qupada | damn it |
| 10:04.10 | Shirakawasuna | I could've sworn there was a qt one |
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| 10:04.58 | Sho_ | I'm expecting Karbon14 to pick up steam again eventually |
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| 10:05.19 | Sho_ | Qt4s vector graphics abilities seriously rock, so coding a vector graphics app with that should be quite pleasurable |
| 10:05.28 | qupada | http://downloads.xara.com/opensource/images/screenshots/general/01.jpg << woah |
| 10:05.32 | Sho_ | And with the great strides Krita is making, graphics in KOffice is a hot thing |
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| 10:06.32 | qupada | it looks somewhere inbetween a ra |
| 10:06.34 | Sho_ | qupada: Chances are QT 4.2s QGraphicsView can render that just as well :-) |
| 10:06.51 | qupada | raytracer*, a raster editor and a vector editor |
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| 10:07.26 | qupada | methinks we have a few things to look forward to in coming times |
| 10:07.53 | tech9iner | renze qupada or Sho_ .. anyone brilliant on getting me last challenge for seemless file sharing joy tween vmware 5.5's 98se vm hosted on Suse 10.1 / linux perchance?.. |
| 10:08.09 | Tomasu | Ive started thinking that plasma will probably be one big QGV. |
| 10:08.12 | Renze | tech9iner: win... dows? |
| 10:08.16 | tech9iner | seems I am stuck on 98se vm not accepting my seen tux-net workgroup samba bits here |
| 10:08.18 | Tomasu | twould make the most sense to me. |
| 10:08.37 | qupada | tech9iner: i haven't used vmware in nearly a year, dunno if i can help you sorry |
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| 10:09.00 | Sho_ | tech9iner: No experience with it either, sorry |
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| 10:09.15 | Renze | never used vmware |
| 10:09.19 | tech9iner | sadly yes Renze hehe. I have to point in ebay store operation here where i ad to byte the bullet and load up my only legal windB L O W z license for ebay's damned windB L O W z only turbolister. no way round it.. |
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| 10:09.34 | [-red-] | ive used vmware, whats the problem? |
| 10:09.45 | qupada | tech9iner: not happy in WINE? |
| 10:09.50 | tech9iner | thanks mates. you all rule and thanks. just taking your typical handup brilliance to your credits bit for granted hehe |
| 10:10.22 | tech9iner | sadly no qupada .. turbo lister is like 20 megs isnstalls and has to play handily with ebay's ever changing api bits.. |
| 10:10.33 | tech9iner | its well established for years that wine cant handle it |
| 10:10.45 | tech9iner | thanks for checking of course heeh |
| 10:11.03 | qupada | anything's possible... i made a video encoder run in wine just to prove to someone that it could be done |
| 10:11.06 | tech9iner | be like me to not consider the obvious. knat like attn span an all hehe |
| 10:11.11 | tech9iner | haha |
| 10:11.26 | tech9iner | thats your day to me video brains nite your familiar with qupada Wink;Wink ;] |
| 10:11.32 | Renze | tech9iner: what are you tal... oooo, potato chips |
| 10:11.35 | qupada | actually produced a reasonable result too, was just as slow as shite |
| 10:11.51 | tech9iner | haha |
| 10:12.04 | tech9iner | Renze hehe.. |
| 10:12.08 | Tomasu | did I miss Qt4.2's final release? |
| 10:12.55 | Sho_ | Tomasu: rc1 atm |
| 10:13.12 | Tomasu | post in qtpreview made me think it was ... |
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| 10:16.44 | Shirakawasuna | woo, checking out music making software :) |
| 10:16.47 | Shirakawasuna | rosegarden looks nifty |
| 10:16.58 | Shirakawasuna | and qt! |
| 10:17.07 | qupada | it is, if your sound card feels like playing the game |
| 10:17.11 | Tomasu | hasnt that been stagnant for a while? (last I looked it was) |
| 10:17.30 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Hydrogen is nice too |
| 10:17.32 | qupada | i can't get my midi synth to do more than 5/8 of sweet fuck all, so rosegarden is pretty much incapable of doing anything at all |
| 10:18.13 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: cool |
| 10:18.22 | Sho_ | Tomasu: Last release July '06 |
| 10:18.30 | Tomasu | ah. nice. |
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| 10:19.10 | _andrew | hi |
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| 10:21.21 | Tomasu | but the r300 drivers were "interesting" |
| 10:21.40 | Tomasu | and the latest fglrx drivers are broken for what I use them for. |
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| 10:22.25 | Tomasu | use something that uses sockets to network sound? ;) |
| 10:22.33 | pnemec | hi |
| 10:22.39 | Ash-Fox | I was thinking arts, but it's so horrible... |
| 10:22.47 | Renze | yell really loudly down a cat5 cable |
| 10:22.49 | annma | !!!! |
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| 10:23.07 | DexterF | hi |
| 10:23.10 | Ash-Fox | And I don't see aything in the ALSA documentation that signifies network socket support. |
| 10:23.32 | Tomasu | it doesnt. |
| 10:23.48 | Tomasu | and if it may have, you couldnt find it in the docs. |
| 10:23.49 | pnemec | i need to find if KDE is running in script. it is use $KDE_FULL_SESSION variable sufficient? |
| 10:24.01 | Tomasu | alsa's docs are near non existent. |
| 10:24.02 | DexterF | i was just told konq can suggest search words while typing in the google search bar - do I have to enable that deature, or is it a patch..? |
| 10:24.08 | Ash-Fox | Tomasu, I noticed :/ |
| 10:24.26 | qupada | is alsa-project.org back up yet? |
| 10:24.28 | Shirakawasuna | I've heard that alsa documentation is an oxymoron |
| 10:24.35 | DexterF | it is |
| 10:24.38 | Ash-Fox | I love the setup guide for alsa, 'apt-get install alsa', I mean.. that's just hilarious :P |
| 10:24.51 | Tomasu | and at the time I was writing alsa code, various drivers would behave differently given the same api input/settings. |
| 10:25.34 | pnemec | DexterF: thanks |
| 10:25.54 | DexterF | pnemec: ? |
| 10:26.09 | pnemec | DexterF: sorry i thougth you speak to me |
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| 10:32.32 | Shirakawasuna | Ash-Fox: this is hilarious because...it's so easy? |
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| 10:33.10 | Tomasu | Shirakawasuna: no, becuase everyone uses debian and already knows to use apt-get. |
| 10:33.39 | Shirakawasuna | exactly. easy/obvious, not needing a guide |
| 10:34.32 | Shirakawasuna | Tomasu: (offtopic): as someone who has switched from debian to gentoo, what say you about them? I'm thinking of trying debian on my desktop for easier maintenance |
| 10:35.02 | Tomasu | debian was pissign me off with the 1+ year wait on gettinf kde into UNSTABLE |
| 10:35.08 | Tomasu | I hear its gotten better. |
| 10:35.22 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 10:35.33 | Tomasu | but debian was a pretty nice system. |
| 10:35.36 | Shirakawasuna | although I can't tell what version of kde is in testing from their site |
| 10:35.43 | Shirakawasuna | the versioning seems different...or something |
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| 10:36.38 | Tomasu | gentoo is great for its customizability.. something no other distro has. |
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| 10:36.53 | Tomasu | and debian has its stability. |
| 10:37.09 | ma3x | how do I start kdm? |
| 10:37.09 | Tomasu | if you never want to worry about something breaking, use debian stable, or maybe testing. |
| 10:37.26 | annma | what do you customize in Gentoo? |
| 10:37.48 | Tomasu | annma: build time stuff, like support for various libs, hardware, etc. |
| 10:37.59 | Tomasu | like I do -gnome on everything. ;) |
| 10:38.02 | ma3x | how can I start kdm with current user and then login? |
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| 10:38.10 | annma | hmmm |
| 10:38.12 | qupada | ma3x: distro? |
| 10:38.16 | ma3x | qupada, deiban |
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| 10:38.31 | Tomasu | ma3x: if youre allready logged in, just run startkde |
| 10:38.42 | ma3x | Tomasu, thanks |
| 10:38.47 | qupada | ma3x: '/etc/init.d/kdm start' should work, i'm not sure of debian's way of handling auto-starting at boot though |
| 10:38.55 | ma3x | thank you |
| 10:39.37 | Tomasu | annma: on my firewall that has no audio of any kind, but I still like to NX into, -arts |
| 10:39.55 | Tomasu | oh and -ipv6 |
| 10:39.58 | qupada | i like to put it this way... you don't have to have the 'pizza with everything' |
| 10:40.00 | Tomasu | -esd... |
| 10:40.04 | Tomasu | heh |
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| 10:40.48 | Ash-Fox | Shirakawasuna, it's hilarious because usually these documentations talk about how to compile things, what compile options are best etc. |
| 10:40.53 | Tomasu | I have 190 lines in my package.use file :o |
| 10:41.31 | Shirakawasuna | I have 6 :) |
| 10:41.33 | qupada | i *only* have 72 |
| 10:41.46 | Tomasu | I have to say, mine needs cleaned up a little. |
| 10:41.53 | Shirakawasuna | you people are silly |
| 10:42.00 | qupada | my package.keywords needs a major cleanup |
| 10:42.06 | Shirakawasuna | yes |
| 10:42.13 | Tomasu | hah, mine has 272 |
| 10:42.17 | qupada | to remove all the things that are now unnecessary due to my whole system being ~amd64 |
| 10:42.19 | Shirakawasuna | I don't see why you'd ever have that many |
| 10:42.22 | Tomasu | though that includes some comments and blanks |
| 10:42.38 | Tomasu | Shirakawasuna: um, lazyness? |
| 10:42.42 | qupada | Tomasu: i think i win... 591 lines |
| 10:42.46 | Shirakawasuna | you'd think you'd use the make.conf USE variable and then add -uses to it |
| 10:42.47 | Tomasu | wow |
| 10:43.03 | qupada | at least half of that is entirely unnecessary now though |
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| 10:43.16 | Tomasu | Shirakawasuna: no, I dont always want to globalize a use option. |
| 10:43.31 | Tomasu | most of my keywords file is X and kde :) |
| 10:43.31 | Shirakawasuna | so you add 12 package.use entries ;) |
| 10:43.46 | Shirakawasuna | ah, it's package.keywords now |
| 10:43.53 | Shirakawasuna | that makes more sense :) |
| 10:43.54 | qupada | using grep to remove lines with ~amd64 on them from package.keywords, it shortens to 72 lines |
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| 10:44.38 | Tomasu | my packages.use: http://pastebin.ca/168814 |
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| 10:46.23 | ma3x | I couldn't start kdm via /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 10:46.26 | ma3x | any other ideas? |
| 10:46.31 | Tomasu | as a user you cant... |
| 10:46.33 | ma3x | it says only root wants to run kdm |
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| 10:46.40 | ma3x | and if I run it as root, it's already running |
| 10:46.40 | Tomasu | kdm must be run as root |
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| 10:46.55 | ma3x | yes, but if it's already running, how can I get the login screen show up on my screen |
| 10:47.07 | Tomasu | kde has a nice "new session" option |
| 10:47.09 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 10:47.11 | Tomasu | starts a new X and kdm |
| 10:47.19 | Shirakawasuna | ma3x: or alt+f7 if it's already started |
| 10:48.13 | ma3x | okay thanks |
| 10:48.14 | ma3x | let me try |
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| 10:49.58 | ma3x | okay that worked! |
| 10:50.00 | ma3x | thanks (the restart I mean) |
| 10:50.09 | ma3x | and how do I erase the text from the console |
| 10:50.17 | ma3x | let's say I login type type something and then I logout |
| 10:50.27 | qupada | 'reset' works nicely |
| 10:50.33 | ma3x | and then if you do alt+page up, page down you can see everything |
| 10:50.43 | ma3x | what's reset? |
| 10:50.46 | ma3x | computer reset? |
| 10:50.52 | qupada | just type it at a console |
| 10:51.16 | qupada | depending on the type of terminal, it will clear some or all of the history |
| 10:51.28 | qupada | and for the record, to restart the pc, the command is 'reboot' |
| 10:51.47 | ma3x | but type shift + page up and you see everything |
| 10:52.12 | ma3x | lol, I know, I just thought if you were saying to reset the pc |
| 10:52.18 | qupada | :\ on my system you don't |
| 10:52.37 | ma3x | okay, I mean you login, you type for eg. ps aux |
| 10:52.39 | Tomasu | been doing the linux thing for 6 years, and this is the first time Ive heard about SHIFT+PGUP ? :o |
| 10:53.00 | ma3x | then you type, reset, then you logout, and then you press shift+ pageup |
| 10:53.04 | ma3x | and you see the result from ps aux |
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| 10:53.18 | ma3x | Tomasu, shift+page^ |
| 10:53.22 | ma3x | doesn't work on your system? |
| 10:53.26 | Tomasu | try clear then? |
| 10:53.34 | Tomasu | no, it works. I've just not known about that. |
| 10:53.42 | Tomasu | I didnt think it was possible actually. |
| 10:53.52 | ma3x | heh noob :p |
| 10:53.58 | Tomasu | :P |
| 10:54.19 | Renze | ach, mein cranium |
| 10:54.54 | qupada | Renze: suffering a case of rectal cranial inversion> |
| 10:55.09 | qupada | ?* |
| 10:55.09 | Renze | qupada: not quite... I'm not wearing a suit |
| 10:55.21 | Renze | just php overload |
| 10:55.52 | Tomasu | I got you one better, I have a perl+php+sql+twiki overload. |
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| 11:02.21 | mattepiu | anyone knows nothing about kaffeine not getting localized? |
| 11:02.52 | annma | you mean you set kde in a language and kaffeine stays in english? |
| 11:03.05 | mattepiu | yep.... all the rest is in italian, actually |
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| 11:05.50 | Ash-Fox | So.. It's my understanding, for networked sound, I need to enable 'networked sound' in kcontrol. copy the the .mcoprc file to the client computer. Then I run: |
| 11:06.02 | Ash-Fox | artsd -n -F 5 -S 8192 |
| 11:06.16 | Ash-Fox | ssh -Y 192.168.1.2 startkde |
| 11:06.22 | Ash-Fox | and in theory I should have sound? |
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| 11:11.26 | mattepiu | found the issue! kaffeine puts .mo localization files as kaffeine-0.8.2.mo , but then it checks for just kaffeine.mo (without version!) |
| 11:16.25 | annma | hmm |
| 11:16.28 | annma | distro? |
| 11:16.39 | annma | that's a distro bug |
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| 11:21.12 | der_oschni | hello all. how can i print multiple files to a pdf, like the gwenview plugin "printer assistent"? |
| 11:21.13 | annma | mattepiu: you might want to report it to your distro |
| 11:21.19 | annma | that would be nice |
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| 11:22.10 | mattepiu | I'm actually working for my distro, I was beliving it was a common issue but somewhat only in gentoo it seems we get kaffeine-0.8.2.mo instead of kaffeine.mo |
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| 11:25.45 | annma | mattepiu: yes, mattepiu KDE itself does not add version numbers to .mo |
| 11:26.00 | annma | that's why i said it's a distro bug |
| 11:26.14 | tech9iner | lo annma ...... |
| 11:26.19 | annma | hi tech9iner :) |
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| 11:59.59 | brunioli | does anyone know how kate's indentation works? i have an xml file opened in kate and it is not indented and i'd like to see it indented. |
| 12:00.40 | annma | look in setting |
| 12:00.46 | annma | settings |
| 12:01.08 | brunioli | annma: yup, and then what? |
| 12:01.29 | annma | indentation |
| 12:01.56 | brunioli | and then what? |
| 12:02.03 | Sho_ | brunioli: Kate does not auto-indent XML files to my knowledge |
| 12:02.03 | brunioli | i have it in xml mode |
| 12:02.08 | annma | what is set here? |
| 12:02.24 | brunioli | xml style |
| 12:02.35 | brunioli | use spaces instead ... |
| 12:02.42 | brunioli | keep indent profile |
| 12:02.49 | brunioli | tab key indents |
| 12:02.56 | annma | Sho_: it does from clipboard though |
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| 12:03.18 | Sho_ | annma: sure that's not pre-indented? |
| 12:03.18 | annma | brunioli: try Ctrl+A in your page |
| 12:03.26 | annma | Sho_: not sure |
| 12:03.31 | annma | Sho_: it annoyes me |
| 12:03.36 | brunioli | annma: ctrl a selects all |
| 12:03.43 | annma | brunioli: in Indentation page checks |
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| 12:04.00 | annma | Adjust indentation .... |
| 12:04.19 | annma | then in your doc ctrl+A and paste in a new page |
| 12:04.25 | annma | what doe sit do? |
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| 12:04.47 | brunioli | annma: nothing |
| 12:04.52 | annma | weird |
| 12:05.06 | annma | because mine indented stuff i did not want indented |
| 12:05.16 | brunioli | so there is no way of saying to kate that "indent this file" |
| 12:05.18 | annma | can you post the xml file somewhere so i can get it? |
| 12:05.26 | Sho_ | brunioli: No |
| 12:06.00 | annma | is the filetype set to xml as well? |
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| 12:06.42 | annma | Sho_: when i edit for example koffice website, i copy an xml para and paste it and it gets indented |
| 12:06.52 | annma | although it is not indented at first |
| 12:06.56 | brunioli | annma: yes filetype is xml |
| 12:07.32 | Sho_ | annma: I just get an error on http://www.koffice.org/?edit, so ... |
| 12:07.45 | annma | Sho_: when i edit in Kate |
| 12:07.52 | annma | i use svn, i am webmaster |
| 12:08.12 | annma | yes i just did it again |
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| 12:08.33 | Sho_ | annma: Hm, you're right ... just tried the same with news.rdf from www-extreagear and it auto-indented on paste |
| 12:08.38 | annma | ;) |
| 12:08.46 | annma | brunioli: what kate version? |
| 12:08.49 | Sho_ | As long as file type is set to XML |
| 12:09.13 | brunioli | annma: 2.5.2 |
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| 12:09.38 | annma | mine is 2.5.4 but it should work on 2.5.2 |
| 12:11.19 | Sho_ | brunioli: If I have an XML file open, Indentation mode is XML, File type is XML, and Select All and then use Tools->Align, it reindents |
| 12:12.08 | brunioli | Sho_: ok that worked! thanks |
| 12:12.22 | annma | ah |
| 12:12.23 | annma | see |
| 12:12.35 | annma | i was fiddling about a kdevelop bug at the same time |
| 12:13.12 | Sho_ | wonder if that worls with C++ code, too |
| 12:13.41 | brunioli | thanks folks! |
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| 12:14.44 | Sho_ | apparently not |
| 12:14.46 | Sho_ | too bad :) |
| 12:14.46 | annma | Sho_: me too |
| 12:14.47 | cuco | annma: did you mseg me? or i clicked you nick by mistake...? |
| 12:14.57 | annma | cuco: hi! no msg from me |
| 12:15.07 | annma | you must have picked me by mistake |
| 12:15.17 | annma | it's because i shine over the channel |
| 12:15.18 | cuco | hi annma (sorry, me drunk) |
| 12:15.22 | annma | lol |
| 12:15.33 | annma | (not flaterring that you picked me then) |
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| 12:22.46 | wizard123 | hi! does konq preserve file permissions while copying? |
| 12:23.21 | Dasnipa][ | why wouldnt it |
| 12:23.38 | Dasnipa][ | that would just be odd |
| 12:23.40 | benJIman|work | it does |
| 12:23.44 | wizard123 | good |
| 12:23.53 | wizard123 | i need to move my os to another label :) |
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| 12:25.17 | annma | Sho_: kate from kde4 saves my files as Big which is chinese encoding! |
| 12:25.33 | wizard123 | :D |
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| 12:37.55 | Sho_ | annma: o.O |
| 12:38.06 | Sho_ | annma: Velly weild |
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| 12:57.34 | tobi | hello, i am looking for some support with czech language and kde/kdm |
| 13:00.04 | annma | tobi: what kind of support? |
| 13:01.06 | tobi | well, i have a understanding problem i think, with utf-8 or whatever codepage applies in cz, and kdm or kde in general |
| 13:01.35 | tobi | many characters are crippled to boxes at the moment, while others like the a with the dash over it is ok |
| 13:02.31 | tobi | and as i am german, its pretty hard to even find out what this characters should be, as i can't speak or read the language |
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| 13:03.27 | tobi | i use cs_CZ.UTF-8 as my standard locale on debian |
| 13:03.52 | tobi | so i think utf8 should do the jib |
| 13:03.54 | tobi | job |
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| 13:05.28 | annma | tobi: maybe your font does not support cs |
| 13:05.40 | tobi | ok |
| 13:05.56 | tobi | so changing the font of kdm would be an option? |
| 13:05.59 | annma | are the missing chars only special chars? |
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| 13:06.12 | annma | tobi: maybe |
| 13:06.16 | tobi | i think, as i don't know what they should normally be |
| 13:06.20 | tobi | ok, i will try that |
| 13:06.21 | tobi | thx |
| 13:06.29 | annma | helvetica for example is bad |
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| 13:06.33 | annma | arial is good |
| 13:06.33 | tobi | ok |
| 13:06.59 | jtate | dejavu is supposed to have more glyphs than bitstream if you're using those. |
| 13:07.39 | annma | tobi: go there |
| 13:07.42 | annma | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/cs/data/kdeedu/khangman/cs/easy.kvtml?rev=414972&view=markup |
| 13:07.52 | annma | do you see all the chars in konqueror? |
| 13:08.09 | annma | or here |
| 13:08.10 | asraniel | hi, where can i report usability stuff? should i post a bug on kde.bugs.org? a wishlist item? its a small thing. in konqueror as a filebrowser, when you right click, the create a new folder icon is at the top of the menu. if you want to save a item when downloading, and you right click, the create a new folder icon, is somewhere in the middle.. confuses people (like me ;-) ) |
| 13:08.13 | annma | žák |
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| 13:08.45 | valderman | My Swedish keyboard layout refuses to work with KDE. If I delete .kde and login again, redoing all the settings, the layout works until I logout again |
| 13:09.04 | valderman | I'm using Debian testing on AMD64 and the KDE packages from unstable, which should be 3.5.4 |
| 13:09.14 | annma | valderman: weird |
| 13:09.22 | thiago | are you using kxkb? |
| 13:09.25 | annma | what does not work exactly? |
| 13:09.47 | annma | is it a kxkb setting through kcontrol? |
| 13:09.57 | valderman | I'm not using kxkb; KDE should accept the settings in xorg.conf unless I'm mistaken |
| 13:10.03 | thiago | yes, it should |
| 13:10.04 | valderman | and it does on first login, but not after that |
| 13:10.05 | thiago | are they correct? |
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| 13:10.11 | annma | valderman: is swedish yur language then? |
| 13:10.28 | thiago | valderman: what happens if you setxkbmap the correct mapping after logging back in? |
| 13:11.02 | valderman | annma: No, I use US English to avoid horrible translations, but the keyboard always just works after first login |
| 13:11.16 | valderman | thiago: If I use kxkb, nothing |
| 13:11.24 | valderman | If i use setxkbmap, it tells me that something went wrong |
| 13:11.31 | thiago | valderman: which would be what exactly? |
| 13:11.31 | valderman | Even with --verbose it doesn't tell me what though |
| 13:11.37 | tobi | annma: i can see all characters, except this: ř |
| 13:11.37 | thiago | ah |
| 13:11.42 | tobi | if you can read it ;-) |
| 13:11.47 | annma | tobi: yes i can |
| 13:11.50 | tobi | ok |
| 13:11.52 | thiago | tobi: that's an r with a caron |
| 13:11.52 | annma | a r with a caret |
| 13:11.56 | tobi | ok |
| 13:11.57 | Ash-Fox | Right... After careful examination of ARTs documentation.. ARTs doesn't exactly stream sound across the network if I want to... Instead it just passes play commands and stuff to the client computer.. Okay, so back to square one... finding something that can play sound over the network... |
| 13:12.04 | tobi | i am changing the fonts right know |
| 13:12.09 | tobi | back in a minute |
| 13:12.10 | annma | tobi: ok |
| 13:12.18 | thiago | valderman: make sure that kxkb isn't running, because it's the only thing in KDE that could change the keyboard layout |
| 13:12.46 | thiago | valderman: make sure as well that the keyboard layout from X is holding firm if you start a failsafe (just xterm) session. |
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| 13:13.04 | thiago | Ash-Fox: ffmpeg or icecast |
| 13:13.08 | valderman | thiago: i haven't tried a failsafe session, but it works with GNOME |
| 13:13.10 | thiago | Ash-Fox: or shoutcast |
| 13:13.35 | thiago | valderman: with failsafe, you know that it's X's setting, not something the desktop did. |
| 13:13.39 | Ash-Fox | thiago, that's not really useful, since I want to just relay sounds from software to another computer. |
| 13:13.56 | valderman | thiago: alright, I'll try failsafe then |
| 13:13.57 | valderman | thanks |
| 13:13.57 | thiago | Ash-Fox: and ffmpeg allows you to stream anything over network. |
| 13:13.59 | valderman | brb |
| 13:14.20 | thiago | Ash-Fox: streaming raw PCM consumes too much bandwidth |
| 13:14.44 | Ash-Fox | thiago, I'm aware of that, but how the heck do you pipe things that use say arts to ffmpeg or such. There isn't really any documentation I've found. |
| 13:15.07 | thiago | Ash-Fox: no, there isn't. It sends to the sound device. |
| 13:15.07 | tobi | annma: you made my day ;-) |
| 13:15.15 | tobi | everything works |
| 13:15.17 | tobi | with dejavu |
| 13:15.18 | annma | :) my pleasure |
| 13:15.21 | tobi | ;-) |
| 13:15.23 | tobi | thx a lot |
| 13:15.26 | thiago | Ash-Fox: you'd have to write an aRts output plugin. |
| 13:15.30 | Ash-Fox | thiago, well, that's not very useful since I'm making x11 thin clients |
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| 13:15.49 | Ash-Fox | I would network audio system would be more suited for this |
| 13:15.54 | Ash-Fox | *would think |
| 13:16.05 | Ash-Fox | If I could actually find some stupid documentation on my system on it, I could get started |
| 13:16.17 | thiago | Ash-Fox: aRts was planned to have network transparency, but it never happened. |
| 13:16.32 | thiago | Ash-Fox: after 6 years, it's still an unsolved problem. |
| 13:17.00 | Ash-Fox | Actually, aRts sort of does have ntwork transparency |
| 13:17.37 | thiago | like you said: it just issues the commands |
| 13:17.47 | Ash-Fox | if you mount say your home directory (or whatever paths being used for sound files) via nfs, and run the arts server locally, piping the arts connections back |
| 13:17.48 | thiago | which is how aRts works anyways: the files are played by the server to avoid unnecessary bandwidth |
| 13:17.58 | thiago | some applications actually send a PCM stream for aRts to play. |
| 13:18.13 | thiago | so, the solution is to put all KDE sound files in the client machines (even if NFS-mounted) |
| 13:18.36 | Ash-Fox | aRts has NAS anyway. |
| 13:18.44 | thiago | NAS is something else |
| 13:18.45 | Ash-Fox | Which I need to figure out now. |
| 13:19.00 | Ash-Fox | I know it's something else, but I need to figure it out anyway. |
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| 13:20.02 | valderman | It seems that the keyboard issue still persists in failsafe X |
| 13:20.15 | thiago | valderman: then my guess is X didn't actually set it. |
| 13:20.20 | thiago | valderman: have you tried using kxkb? |
| 13:21.08 | Ash-Fox | Why the hell is it so hard to find documentation |
| 13:21.13 | valderman | thiago: Yes, it gives me an "err"-icon, most likely indicating an error |
| 13:21.17 | der_oschni | is it possible to print some selected imagefiles into one pdf? |
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| 13:40.18 | Googie | hello |
| 13:41.00 | Googie | I've got problem with sharing directories/files directly from "Directory Properties" dialog |
| 13:41.14 | Googie | I mean not the "kpf" public http server, but samba sharing |
| 13:42.21 | Googie | I've enabled sharing all directories for all users and I still see "configure sharing" (or sth like that) button on "share tab" in "properties" dialog, instead of radioboxes and checkboxes for sharing directory |
| 13:42.27 | Googie | what could be the reason? |
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| 13:43.02 | Googie | I got KDE 3.5.4 |
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| 13:48.15 | gribouille | hi |
| 13:48.30 | gribouille | does anyone know when KDE 4.0 final will be out ? |
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| 13:49.38 | benJIman|work | gribouille: there is no schedule yet |
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| 13:51.41 | gribouille | benJIman|work, will it bge this year or next year ? |
| 13:51.46 | benJIman|work | next |
| 13:52.12 | emss | KDE 4 will be the Windows killer |
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| 13:55.07 | Sho_ | Really? Going by the last few years somehow I expect Microsoft to be the Windows killer :) |
| 13:56.12 | gribouille | is it possible to access a specific part in kcotrol directly ? |
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| 13:57.38 | Sho_ | gribouille: kcmshell --list / kcmshell <module> |
| 13:58.11 | gribouille | Sho_, ok, thanks |
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| 13:58.48 | Sho_ | gribouille: Or you could add the respective submenu to your KMenu via the prefs |
| 13:59.07 | gribouille | Sho_, with kmenuedit ? |
| 13:59.35 | Sho_ | gribouille: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Menus |
| 13:59.54 | Sho_ | Or Right-click panel -> Configure Panel -> Menus |
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| 14:04.37 | gribouille | Sho_, ok, thanks |
| 14:08.08 | gribouille | Sho_, is it possible to access all the entries in kcontrol with kcmshell ? |
| 14:08.22 | Sho_ | gribouille: Yes, and also from the "Settings" submenu in KMenu |
| 14:08.57 | gribouille | Sho_, I don't have this submenu |
| 14:09.24 | Sho_ | gribouille: Then add it |
| 14:09.32 | gribouille | how ? |
| 14:09.49 | Sho_ | [15:59] <Sho_> gribouille: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> Menus |
| 14:09.50 | Sho_ | [16:00] <Sho_> Or Right-click panel -> Configure Panel -> Menus |
| 14:09.59 | Sho_ | Check the "Settings" item in that list and click "OK" |
| 14:11.04 | gribouille | Sho_, I didn't know it was just not enabled |
| 14:11.44 | Sho_ | gribouille: Well that's why I told you repeatedly to add it ;) |
| 14:12.44 | gribouille | Sho_, it would be great if it were possible to add only the most used entries |
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| 14:13.55 | Sho_ | gribouille: Then use KMenuEdit to manually add entries that run "kcmshell <module>" |
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| 14:16.01 | Vegeta^ | Where/how do I change the action of the power button in kde? |
| 14:16.12 | thiago | the logout button? |
| 14:17.13 | Vegeta^ | I'm talking about the physical button that you can click on, and you c an choose, wether that would ask you for shoot down, or automatically shutdown and ect. |
| 14:17.30 | thiago | you don't configure that in KDE |
| 14:17.34 | thiago | it's not a KDE setting. |
| 14:17.41 | Vegeta^ | ok |
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| 14:30.02 | StereoSkit | dudes, im using k3b from fluxbox to burn a dvd iso image but i have the message that i need to install growisofs (dvd+rw-tools) in order to do this, i have the package installed, so i dont know what could i do in order no to burn and f*ck up any dvd, any ideas? |
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| 14:33.00 | gribouille | in kmenuedit, is it possible to disable an entry ? |
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| 14:41.57 | thiago | gribouille: disable or remove? |
| 14:42.08 | thiago | StereoSkit: is growisofs found in your PATH? |
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| 14:43.29 | octan | howdy all |
| 14:43.36 | octan | i have a issue with kde.. |
| 14:43.53 | octan | everytime i starup kde this damn wizars starts up too |
| 14:44.01 | octan | it dosent help to comleate ir |
| 14:44.03 | octan | *it |
| 14:44.13 | octan | it still starts up next time i startup kde |
| 14:44.20 | thiago | kpersonalizer? |
| 14:44.22 | octan | yea |
| 14:44.32 | octan | thats the one |
| 14:44.53 | pinotree | octan: hold on |
| 14:45.15 | pinotree | in your ~/.kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc |
| 14:45.19 | pinotree | put |
| 14:45.24 | pinotree | [General] |
| 14:45.25 | pinotree | FirstLogin=false |
| 14:46.00 | gribouille | thiago, disable |
| 14:46.23 | StereoSkit | thiago: let's see |
| 14:46.39 | octan | pinotree, do i put that at the bottom? |
| 14:46.46 | pinotree | yep |
| 14:47.00 | octan | ok.. thank you |
| 14:47.12 | pinotree | octan: replace the old lines, whether present |
| 14:47.15 | StereoSkit | it is actually: /usr/bin/growisofs |
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| 14:47.39 | octan | present ? |
| 14:47.41 | octan | % |
| 14:47.45 | thiago | gribouille: no |
| 14:48.02 | thiago | StereoSkit: can your user run it? |
| 14:48.12 | octan | pinotree, it looks like this now |
| 14:48.18 | octan | [MainToolbarIcons] |
| 14:48.19 | octan | Size=22 |
| 14:48.19 | octan | [SmallIcons] |
| 14:48.19 | octan | Size=16 |
| 14:48.19 | octan | [ToolbarIcons] |
| 14:48.19 | octan | Size=22 |
| 14:48.21 | octan | [General] |
| 14:48.24 | octan | FirstLogin=false |
| 14:48.25 | StereoSkit | i do `sudo k3b` |
| 14:48.30 | octan | is that ok? |
| 14:48.35 | pinotree | ok |
| 14:48.40 | octan | :) |
| 14:48.50 | pinotree | octan: ps: next time, please use a pastebin... |
| 14:48.55 | pinotree | ~pastebin |
| 14:48.56 | apt | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/, or http://paste.lisp.org/ for the lisp/scheme nuts, or http://paste-it.net |
| 14:49.01 | octan | i'll do that |
| 14:49.10 | octan | but it was only a few lines |
| 14:49.13 | octan | :P |
| 14:49.26 | StereoSkit | this is weird |
| 14:49.44 | octan | time to test it |
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| 14:50.21 | thiago | StereoSkit: what is? |
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| 14:52.34 | gribouille | does anyone use klik ? |
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| 14:56.31 | shastry | isn't klik only for a few distros ? |
| 14:56.53 | thiago | for all |
| 14:57.15 | shastry | so.. i can install it on even non-rpm, non-deb distros ? |
| 14:57.28 | thiago | yes |
| 14:57.33 | shastry | ow |
| 14:57.34 | shastry | ok |
| 14:57.38 | gribouille | i've mistakenly installed it ass root. does anyone know how to remove it ? |
| 14:57.53 | thiago | erase the file |
| 14:58.12 | gribouille | thiago, what file ? |
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| 14:58.38 | thiago | the .klik file |
| 14:59.18 | gribouille | ok |
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| 15:09.35 | shastry | the cramfs mounted thingy doesn't go off |
| 15:10.19 | shastry | aaah |
| 15:10.26 | shastry | it automatically unmounts |
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| 15:14.06 | shastry | nicee! |
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| 15:27.12 | PSIplus | hi |
| 15:27.12 | ma3x | why do I see blue lines bellow and under my text in the konsole? |
| 15:28.18 | PSIplus | in KDE 3.5.4 (Kubuntu dapper), there is a tab with mount options for devices (right klick on an usb-storage-device-icon -> Settings, there) ... But I can't set a thing there... |
| 15:28.37 | PSIplus | Is there anything wrong about my permissions, what do I need to do to be able to use this? |
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| 15:29.29 | StereoSkit | thiago: i had to log in as root for burning dvd's, that's weird~ |
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| 15:32.39 | Ace2007 | Hi all :) |
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| 15:40.22 | hrw|work | hi |
| 15:40.51 | hrw|work | someone know when konqueror will get stable and will get session-save-on-crash? |
| 15:42.47 | Ace2007 | konqueror is stable |
| 15:43.20 | hrw|work | I have <form> with <input type='file'>. then I upload file from net (http:// style url inserted into file input). After submit press I got requester 'are you sure you want to upload file?' - after confirm I often get this req again and then konq crash |
| 15:43.30 | hrw|work | got it ~10 times in last 20 minutes |
| 15:43.42 | hrw|work | ideas? |
| 15:43.44 | benJIman|work | hrw|work: test case -> bug report |
| 15:44.27 | hrw|work | and lack of any session saver makes this hard |
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| 15:44.36 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 15:45.17 | LinuxCart | I'm trying to use a headset connected to my computer(which also has a bluetooth dongle) as a handsfree |
| 15:45.58 | LinuxCart | so I could use speak through my mobile phone from my computer |
| 15:46.07 | LinuxCart | any experience with this¿? |
| 15:46.21 | alsuren | hrw|work: there is a "save on crash" but it only saves URLs, and it doesn't work if /tmp gets wiped |
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| 15:46.46 | hrw|work | alsuren: where to enable atleast this? |
| 15:47.02 | alsuren | settings, configure extensions |
| 15:47.16 | alsuren | crash handler or something, it's called |
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| 15:47.30 | alsuren | and that puts a menu entry in tools, if I remember right |
| 15:48.58 | alsuren | also, if you can get a consistant crash on a page, it would be useful to submit a bug report, as a "test case" with the URL and instructions to get the crash |
| 15:49.07 | alsuren | (which version are you using?) |
| 15:49.12 | hrw|work | URL is in cms which I cannot share |
| 15:49.12 | gribouille | are 2321.512 FPS normal for a radeon ? |
| 15:49.40 | hrw|work | alsuren: 3.5.4 from debian 'sid' |
| 15:50.04 | alsuren | okay, then a bug report will probably be very useful |
| 15:50.08 | hrw|work | alsuren: now I have to wait until konq will unfreeze.. it did that too often |
| 15:50.22 | alsuren | ooooh! you get just freezing? |
| 15:50.36 | hrw|work | alsuren: just? |
| 15:50.51 | hrw|work | alsuren: freezing is another thing which annoy^Wmakes me mad |
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| 15:51.40 | hrw|work | I cannot even enter bugzilla pass because it freeze after first letter, then wait for something, then unfreeze and insert all chars which I pressed and freeze again |
| 15:51.43 | hrw|work | argh |
| 15:52.32 | hrw|work | nad free report that I have 70-100M free ram so it should not be swapping |
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| 15:53.25 | alsuren | hrw|work: so you're just getting freezes? |
| 15:53.57 | alsuren | what does your ksysguard CPU graph look like? |
| 15:54.16 | alsuren | also, do you have nspluginviewer or anything like that running? |
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| 15:54.42 | hrw|work | 1. crashes happens |
| 15:54.48 | hrw|work | 2. freezes also happens |
| 15:55.09 | hrw|work | 3. nspluginviewer enabled but no page with plugins loaded |
| 15:55.27 | alsuren | I found on gentoo that nspluginviewer (working with flash) kept freezing, but no crashes, and became unfrozen as soon as I did killall nspluginviewer |
| 15:55.50 | alsuren | just an idea |
| 15:55.52 | Ace2007 | Is there a way to send a program to the system tray? to send firefox to the tray or oowriter? |
| 15:56.08 | hrw|work | alsuren: no nspluginview running |
| 15:56.43 | alsuren | *shrugs* just an idea. didn't think there was much chance of it being useful |
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| 15:57.24 | Ace2007 | I found alltray |
| 15:57.49 | Ace2007 | but can alltray be set to bring an app thats in the tray back to the desktop? |
| 15:57.53 | pinotree | Ace2007: ksystemtray <cmd> |
| 15:58.05 | alsuren | if it's freezing and crashing just randomly, bug report probably won't be too helpful, because you probably have a borked install. try downgrading ot something |
| 15:58.11 | Homer | KDE 4 is out! |
| 15:58.19 | pinotree | Homer: ?! |
| 15:58.21 | Homer | j/k :P |
| 15:58.25 | pinotree | ... |
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| 15:58.58 | Homer | sorry had to |
| 15:59.15 | Homer | you know, to wake everyone up |
| 15:59.40 | alsuren | Ace2007: I normally just put things onto another desktop if they're getting in the way |
| 16:00.02 | Ace2007 | alsuren: i just want to leave apps running and i tend to use all of my desktops |
| 16:00.36 | alsuren | maybe you need more desktops ;) |
| 16:00.47 | Ace2007 | which package is ksystemtray found in (gentoo) |
| 16:01.10 | hrw|work | alsuren: 'borked install' is very often excuse in bugtracker comments.. |
| 16:01.26 | Ace2007 | never mind its ksystraycmd |
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| 16:01.46 | hrw|work | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134018 |
| 16:01.52 | Ace2007 | monolithic? |
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| 16:02.40 | alsuren | Ace2007: as in kdebase rather than kdebase-meta |
| 16:02.50 | Ace2007 | oh, why? |
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| 16:04.15 | alsuren | Ace2007: just because when I installed my gentoo on my box, split ebuilds didn't exist |
| 16:04.28 | Ace2007 | so why didn't you upgrade? |
| 16:04.41 | Ace2007 | to ~x86 |
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| 16:05.35 | alsuren | hrw|work: when you submit bug reports like that, you should really try to find a case which will regularly cause a crash, because otherwise, it's hard for the maintainers to track down the bug |
| 16:06.03 | hrw|work | alsuren: will do but first wanted to test does konq will ever work |
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| 16:07.06 | alsuren | Ace2007: I can't be arsed with the broken packages in ~x86. I just have ~ entries in keywords whenever there's a new major-ish release of kde or something |
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| 16:07.30 | rabauke | Hello! Can anyone recommend an easy to use tool to keep two folders on a computer in sync? |
| 16:07.32 | alsuren | and ~ keyworking all the KDE meta-packages is more trouble than it's worth |
| 16:07.33 | Ace2007 | oh ok, but i've never found a broken package |
| 16:08.20 | alsuren | rabauke: rsync is good for syncing changes, but only really reliable if you have a master folder and a slave folder |
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| 16:09.27 | rabauke | alsuren: I would have changes in both folders that have to be copied from one to the other. both ways |
| 16:09.37 | alsuren | hrw|work: didn't quite understand that last comment. can you say again more clearly? |
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| 16:10.32 | alsuren | rabauke: well you could always symlink, if they're both on the same computer |
| 16:10.33 | hrw|work | alsuren: now I wrote small test form to do testing |
| 16:11.12 | Ace2007 | Are you usng a portable device thats mounted at a certain folder and a folder in your home dir to act as a backup? |
| 16:11.13 | rabauke | but symlink does not mean that there is a copy of a file in both, does it? |
| 16:11.18 | alsuren | hrw|work: cool! If you can get it to fail every time, that will be *very* useful to the maintainers :D |
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| 16:12.23 | hrw|work | alsuren: I know |
| 16:12.29 | alsuren | rabauke: no, but if your changes are immediately synced in both places, it doesn't matter ;) |
| 16:12.36 | rabauke | I try to have a folder in FAT32 that mirrors a reiserFS folder in order to use documents on windows but at the same time transfer changes back to the reiserFS folder |
| 16:12.51 | alsuren | ah! |
| 16:13.12 | rabauke | or is it safe to use the Windows ReiserFS drivers? |
| 16:13.39 | alsuren | well you can put an rsync job going one way at startup, and then rsync the other way at shutdown, if you wish |
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| 16:15.00 | alsuren | or simply use the fat32 partition at all times, which *is* safe |
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| 16:16.02 | rabauke | alsuren: Thanks, I'll try what works best. |
| 16:16.42 | icwiener | Can somebody confirm this? Rightclick on trash -> Settings. There are 4 tabs (3 visible). Click on right arrow until the end. Then it is not possible for me to go back to the first tab (which is not visible at that moment). |
| 16:17.07 | hrw|work | cu |
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| 16:18.32 | Ace2007 | I don't have a right click trash -> Settings |
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| 16:18.56 | icwiener | Then Itranslated it wrong. ;) |
| 16:19.25 | icwiener | Rightclick on the trash icon, there must be some kind of Settings, Configurte or similar. |
| 16:19.38 | Ace2007 | Yea Properties |
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| 16:19.48 | icwiener | Sounds good. :d |
| 16:19.49 | icwiener | :D |
| 16:20.14 | Ace2007 | it says general, permissions, URL and Preview at the top |
| 16:20.36 | icwiener | Are all 4 tabs vilible without arrows on tab bar? |
| 16:20.45 | icwiener | visible* |
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| 16:20.57 | Ace2007 | yea |
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| 16:21.20 | Ace2007 | maybe its specific to your local? |
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| 16:21.27 | icwiener | Ok, then the german translation is too long. |
| 16:21.45 | icwiener | But it should be possible to switch right and left anyway. |
| 16:22.07 | icwiener | And here it only goes to the right, not to the left. |
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| 16:27.32 | LinuxCart | if I run kate with an already opened instance, shouldn't it open the file on the same instance instread of opening a new one¿? |
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| 16:27.40 | PhilRod | use kate -i |
| 16:27.42 | PhilRod | kate -u |
| 16:27.58 | LinuxCart | is it mandatory for the describe behaviour ¿? |
| 16:28.08 | LinuxCart | I have chack the right option (I thnk) |
| 16:28.17 | PhilRod | yes, in the latest version, I think |
| 16:28.18 | pinotree | PhilRod: kate -abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvywx :P |
| 16:28.53 | LinuxCart | -i or -u¿? |
| 16:29.11 | pinotree | -u |
| 16:29.21 | pinotree | kate --help could help you too |
| 16:29.27 | LinuxCart | ok |
| 16:29.29 | LinuxCart | thank you |
| 16:29.48 | LinuxCart | worked ... ;) great! |
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| 16:35.20 | gemidjy | anyone remind me how was the command to rebuild KMenu ? |
| 16:35.33 | gemidjy | kbuildsyscoca ...then |
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| 16:37.49 | xm | hello |
| 16:38.04 | LinuxCart | Hi |
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| 16:42.27 | xm | DO youspeak chinese? |
| 16:45.03 | rork | xm: probably someone does but it might be more helpfull/polite to talk english if possible |
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| 16:52.24 | pinotree | try, we wil do our best to understand you :) |
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| 16:54.13 | xm | How can I improve my spoken English |
| 16:54.30 | icwiener | Travel to London. :D |
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| 16:55.43 | icwiener | Actually, I improved my spoken english by watching englisch TV. But many say, that one have to travel to an english-speaking country to really learn the language. |
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| 17:03.07 | icwiener | Seven or eight years in school. Three or four years ago I started watching english TV irregularily. |
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| 17:03.53 | icwiener | I consider the years in school as not that successful. ;) |
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| 17:06.15 | fiberchunks | howdy, is there a stock ticker applet or some sort of way to do stock ticker functionality in KDE 3.5.1 level 'a' ? |
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| 17:06.43 | PhilRod | knewsticker |
| 17:06.48 | PhilRod | in kdenetwork I think |
| 17:07.11 | pinotree | yep, network |
| 17:08.05 | fiberchunks | ah cool a newsticker -- any idea how to make it do stocks? :) |
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| 17:10.15 | Ze_M | how can i start a kde app in english instead my default language? |
| 17:10.27 | PhilRod | KDE_LANG=C kapp |
| 17:10.31 | pinotree | KDE_LANG=en_US kapp |
| 17:11.01 | pinotree | PhilRod: the 'C' locale won't work |
| 17:11.07 | PhilRod | oh, ok |
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| 17:11.23 | Ze_M | why LC_LANG=C doesnt work for kde apps? |
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| 17:11.48 | pinotree | because kde stores its language in your kdeglobals |
| 17:12.14 | pinotree | and is not influenced by the LC_* env vars |
| 17:12.21 | pinotree | kde3, i mean |
| 17:12.22 | Ze_M | so what? it shoud work with LC_LANG like works with KDE_LANG |
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| 17:12.34 | pinotree | in kde3 WON'T work |
| 17:12.36 | Ze_M | PierreTramo: ho |
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| 17:12.47 | pinotree | in kde4 that will change |
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| 19:34.13 | fumasterdk | K3b fails on burn of dvd .... growisofs .... :-( unable to anonymously mmap 33554432: Res |
| 19:35.56 | fumasterdk | ANy ideas?? |
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| 19:37.25 | annma | fumasterdk: maybe ask in yur distro channel |
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| 19:41.39 | fumasterdk | annma: They sent me here |
| 19:41.52 | annma | what distro is it? |
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| 19:41.57 | fumasterdk | Gentoo |
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| 19:42.19 | annma | did you look at their bug database? |
| 19:42.22 | Ace2007 | hi all |
| 19:42.27 | Ace2007 | anyone here run suse? |
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| 19:42.45 | fumasterdk | SOmething about a ulimit but didnt give an answer |
| 19:42.56 | annma | fumasterdk: when you run it from konsole |
| 19:43.10 | annma | doesn't it say anything specific? |
| 19:43.20 | fumasterdk | 2 sek ill try that |
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| 19:44.23 | Supaplex | what libraries/plugins enable konqueror to show man pages in it? |
| 19:45.04 | fumasterdk | annma: in dmesg ---- cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 19:45.09 | annma | Supaplex: should work out of the box I think |
| 19:45.13 | fumasterdk | On a blank disc |
| 19:45.25 | annma | fumasterdk: so it's a system problem |
| 19:45.39 | annma | it bugs before opening k3b |
| 19:45.51 | annma | i bet any other burner will also fail |
| 19:46.03 | fumasterdk | Yeah I agree with ya |
| 19:46.11 | fumasterdk | It is latest kde from portage |
| 19:46.15 | Supaplex | I'm trying to find something simlar in mozilla. plugin/addon etc. |
| 19:46.31 | fumasterdk | but ... must be like a quick fix :-) |
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| 19:47.33 | fumasterdk | maybe I should step down a notch from bleefing edge |
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| 19:59.05 | Renze | fumasterdk: that message is normal, and should not prevent k3b from functioning... it doesn't here. |
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| 20:08.59 | junkY_San | hy, i want to take a screenshot by pressing the Print-Key. where can i set this correctly? |
| 20:09.36 | pinotree | kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:10.06 | Theory | by default under kde it should bring up ksnapshot anyway |
| 20:11.06 | junkY_San | it doesnt |
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| 20:11.15 | junkY_San | which daemon is responsible for this? |
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| 20:13.35 | Theory | junkY_San: Control Centre -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions -> Preset Actions |
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| 20:13.46 | Theory | you should have an entry under there called PrintScreen |
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| 20:16.03 | Ace2007 | woops |
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| 20:16.55 | Ace2007 | kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> Input Actions, then go into the second tab called general settings, and then untick "Disable KHotkeys daemon" and print screen should work again |
| 20:17.00 | Ace2007 | thats what i had to do get it to work |
| 20:17.55 | Ace2007 | If you don't see the general settings tab, you have to click on the global settings tab at the bottom |
| 20:18.19 | Ace2007 | for some strange reason it was disabled in gentoo |
| 20:18.37 | junkY_San | mh, doesn't work for me |
| 20:18.40 | junkY_San | i'm using gentoo too |
| 20:18.47 | Renze | Ace2007: it wasn't disabled in my gentoo |
| 20:18.54 | Ace2007 | strange |
| 20:19.04 | Ace2007 | junkY_San: So print screen won't work? |
| 20:19.09 | junkY_San | yep |
| 20:19.10 | Sutoka | Ace2007: its not disabled in gentoo by default (at least here) |
| 20:19.35 | Ace2007 | well sorry to ask the obvious but is ksnapshot emerged |
| 20:19.49 | junkY_San | yes |
| 20:20.35 | junkY_San | khotkeys is running |
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| 20:21.19 | Ace2007 | and print screen is enabled in Input actions? |
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| 20:23.23 | Ace2007 | is there a way to get gnome apps to use kde icons, i don't like the ones in use |
| 20:23.54 | Sutoka | Ace2007: ATM i think only if you made a gnome icon theme using a kde icon theme's icons |
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| 20:24.26 | Sutoka | Ace2007: the tango naming spec should make that problem moot though (Oxygen will be following the naming spec) |
| 20:24.54 | Ace2007 | Oxygen? Tango Naming spec? |
| 20:25.12 | Renze | Oxygen: KDE4's default icon theme |
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| 20:25.36 | DralaFi | How can one have cool window decorations (close, minimise and maximise) like in this picture? http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=44730&file1=44730-1.jpg&file2=44730-2.png&file3=&name=Human+KDE |
| 20:25.39 | Ace2007 | oh thats a nice name |
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| 20:26.03 | Renze | http://www.oxygen-icons.org/ |
| 20:26.06 | Ace2007 | DralaFi: You mean what theme is used? |
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| 20:26.25 | Renze | DralaFi: install the crystal windeco |
| 20:26.35 | DralaFi | Ace2007, yes, partly. Also what do I need to install to use such a theme. |
| 20:26.44 | peter__ | i have an...strange question |
| 20:26.45 | DralaFi | Does that use deKorator? |
| 20:26.49 | Renze | no |
| 20:26.54 | Renze | it's native, not pixmap crap |
| 20:26.59 | peter__ | how to set the homepage in konqueror ?? |
| 20:27.03 | DralaFi | good - deKorator makes the title bar and the buttons dissapear |
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| 20:27.12 | Renze | peter__: go to the page, save your profile |
| 20:27.13 | Ace2007 | DralaFi: Its just crystal: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13969 |
| 20:27.22 | aseigo | Sutoka: Ace2007: actually, both kde and gnome use the same icon theme standard |
| 20:27.34 | peter__ | renze is there no normal way of doing it?? |
| 20:27.40 | Ace2007 | I don't like the oxygen folder theme |
| 20:27.51 | junkY_San | Ace2007: i rechecked again. the print screen works during hotkey assigning, but it still won't take a snapshot when i press it |
| 20:27.54 | Renze | peter__: you mean normal like the way other browsers do it? no |
| 20:27.55 | Ace2007 | i like the standing folder |
| 20:27.56 | aseigo | Sutoka: Ace2007: the trick, however, is that we don't use the same icon names all the time ;) so while you can set the icon theme to be whatever not all the "native" icons will be drawn from that icon theme |
| 20:28.12 | Renze | Ace2007: it's a work in progress, not a final theme |
| 20:28.20 | DralaFi | Ace2007, Renze: thanks, I'll try crystal. |
| 20:28.26 | Sutoka | ok i was half right then! |
| 20:28.51 | peter__ | renze why are many things in kde so... non-intuitional (sry for my english, i hope you understand what i want to say :) ) |
| 20:29.17 | Renze | peter__: "the only intuitive interface is the nipple... everything else is learned" -- me. |
| 20:29.51 | Ace2007 | I use Aero Glass: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39007 |
| 20:29.58 | Renze | peter__: just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad... sometimes change is a good thing |
| 20:30.18 | peter__ | renze ok, but what is better, to go in the "options" menu and change the homepage or try to find where to change it and finnaly go to the kde irc channel and ask?? |
| 20:30.19 | peter__ | ;] |
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| 20:30.31 | Renze | peter__: I never had to ask :) |
| 20:30.36 | peter__ | ;] |
| 20:30.46 | peter__ | don't thing i'm a new linux user |
| 20:30.47 | peter__ | ... |
| 20:30.50 | peter__ | i don't ;] |
| 20:31.08 | junkY_San | Ace2007: it seems like the print screen doesn't activate knsapshot, or at least fails to load it |
| 20:31.23 | peter__ | but, it's just... |
| 20:31.26 | Renze | junkY_San: does ksnapshot work if launched in any other way? |
| 20:31.43 | peter__ | kde tends to do things very hard to manage |
| 20:31.49 | DralaFi | Ace2007, yes but that is deKorator theme, and deKorator doesn't work on this machine and my laptop (both different distros) |
| 20:31.50 | junkY_San | Renze: yes |
| 20:31.57 | junkY_San | i found something in kdm.log: |
| 20:32.13 | junkY_San | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EWIxGZ13.html |
| 20:32.23 | Renze | peter__: you have access to the sourcecode... make it better, submit patches |
| 20:32.44 | peter__ | i learn cpp, when i'll be ready with it, maybe i will |
| 20:33.08 | Renze | junkY_San: aha... maybe your printscreen button doesn't have a symbol assigned to it |
| 20:33.23 | Renze | junkY_San: I bet if you fix your keyboard layout issues, all will be well |
| 20:33.25 | junkY_San | but i can assign it in the control center |
| 20:33.28 | peter__ | renze but, you see, this is something that should be that hard to figure out :] |
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| 20:33.47 | Renze | peter__: it wasn't hard to figure out. |
| 20:33.52 | Ace2007 | junkY_San: well you could creat a new action and then asign it to another shortcut combo and get that to a different app, like kwrite, if it works, change the key combo to print, test it, and if that works change the app to ksnapshot,l and this should show you where the problem lies |
| 20:34.17 | junkY_San | yes |
| 20:34.20 | junkY_San | how can i create a new action |
| 20:34.25 | peter__ | renze eh, ok, but it's not obvious |
| 20:34.42 | junkY_San | wait a sec |
| 20:34.43 | junkY_San | restarting x |
| 20:34.58 | Ace2007 | kcontrol > regional and access... > Input Actions |
| 20:35.00 | Renze | peter__: obvious == just like every other browser, since they must do it the right way? |
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| 20:35.42 | Ace2007 | One hard thing in konqueror whas having to refresh the plugins when installing flash, never knew i had to do that |
| 20:35.50 | peter__ | renze is the way other browser handle it bad?? |
| 20:36.29 | peter__ | renze and yes, i think just about everybody would search the "change homepage" option in the options menu... |
| 20:36.30 | Renze | peter__: not bad... but limiting. konqueror's profile system lets you have as many default pages as you want. you just select the profile you want to start with. |
| 20:36.40 | Ace2007 | junkY_San: kcontrol > regional and access... > Input Actions, you can make a new one there |
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| 20:37.25 | peter__ | renze i don't say the profile system is bad, i just think that it should be more intuitive to configure |
| 20:37.44 | Renze | there's that word again... people use that word far too often |
| 20:38.11 | peter__ | ;] |
| 20:38.14 | peter__ | yeah i know |
| 20:38.17 | Renze | it's not intuition at play here... it's learned response based on "training" from other browsers :P |
| 20:38.32 | peter__ | hmmmmmmmm |
| 20:38.36 | peter__ | i don't think so |
| 20:38.49 | junkY_San | Ace2007: doesn't work |
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| 20:38.58 | Ace2007 | the new action? |
| 20:39.03 | junkY_San | yes |
| 20:39.09 | peter__ | why mess around and place some options here some there, when there is a menu called "options" ? |
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| 20:39.39 | Renze | peter__: make a "profile management" section for konqueror settings... or suggest one on bugs.kde.org |
| 20:39.40 | peter__ | or "configure konqueror" :p |
| 20:40.41 | junkY_San | when i press the print key a process called kwin appears and needs relativ much resources |
| 20:40.41 | Renze | there is already a profile manager... just migrate it to where you think it belongs |
| 20:41.15 | Renze | kwin is KDE's window manager |
| 20:41.30 | junkY_San | aha |
| 20:41.33 | Renze | unless you've neglected to mention that you're using XGL/Compiz |
| 20:41.41 | junkY_San | no |
| 20:41.44 | peter__ | i don't |
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| 20:42.34 | peter__ | renze i'm not a gnome fanboy or a kde fanboy, i'm one of the strange guys who don' have a religious connection to his DE :] |
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| 20:42.52 | peter__ | renze but i think KDE should do things more user friendly :] |
| 20:42.58 | Renze | peter__: um, I was talking to junkY_San about the XGL/Compiz thing |
| 20:43.08 | peter__ | yeah, i figured that out ;] |
| 20:43.14 | Renze | peter__: it's perfectly friendly to me :) |
| 20:43.22 | peter__ | heh ^^ |
| 20:43.23 | Renze | am I not a user?? |
| 20:43.29 | junkY_San | mh this really goes on my nerves |
| 20:43.33 | peter__ | a long-term kde user :] |
| 20:43.40 | Renze | only since version 1.2 :) |
| 20:43.53 | peter__ | :D |
| 20:43.54 | Renze | or was that 1.1? |
| 20:43.58 | peter__ | heh |
| 20:43.59 | Renze | can't remember |
| 20:44.00 | peter__ | u see |
| 20:44.27 | peter__ | but for me Gnome is sometimes too limited, and KDE... just offer to much options at the same time |
| 20:44.30 | junkY_San | other shortcuts like "windowskey+R" to execute a command work perfectly |
| 20:44.51 | Renze | I like options |
| 20:44.54 | junkY_San | but as soon as i assign the command to the print key it doesn't work anymore |
| 20:44.55 | peter__ | me too |
| 20:45.14 | peter__ | but i mean "to much at the same time" |
| 20:45.37 | Renze | peter__: that's where our opinions differ... I would like to see more options :D |
| 20:45.51 | Ace2007 | junkY_San: the entire Preset Actions aren't disabled are they? in kcontrol in Input Actions |
| 20:45.53 | junkY_San | seems like kde doesn't like my print key |
| 20:45.58 | peter__ | more options - ok |
| 20:46.07 | Ace2007 | junkY_San: ignore that |
| 20:46.10 | peter__ | but not "at the same time" :D |
| 20:46.13 | peter__ | u know |
| 20:46.21 | peter__ | make some level of options |
| 20:46.43 | Renze | you mean like "hide all the cool stuff, I'm a n00b"? :D |
| 20:46.55 | peter__ | yeah something like that |
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| 20:47.24 | peter__ | and the advanced options make avaiable when you check a box or press a button to do so |
| 20:47.37 | peter__ | and make the adv... |
| 20:47.38 | junkY_San | where can i see what the input of a command tells my system, especialy kde? |
| 20:47.39 | peter__ | * |
| 20:47.43 | Renze | peter__: you have the code... implement it :) |
| 20:47.51 | Renze | junkY_San: xev |
| 20:47.55 | peter__ | renze i told you before ;] |
| 20:48.05 | Renze | peter__: no excuse... learn c++ :P |
| 20:48.12 | Ace2007 | bash: xev: command not found ?? |
| 20:48.14 | peter__ | i'll do :] |
| 20:48.34 | Ace2007 | oh its not a part of the x-server |
| 20:48.37 | Renze | peter__: this has been suggested before many times... go vote for it on bugs.kde.org |
| 20:48.55 | Renze | Ace2007: it used to be, before they split it up |
| 20:49.01 | peter__ | renze ok |
| 20:49.14 | junkY_San | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ihypzG60.html |
| 20:49.17 | peter__ | renze but for what should i search?? |
| 20:49.38 | Renze | peter__: I have no idea, I'm afraid |
| 20:49.54 | peter__ | :/ |
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| 20:50.08 | Renze | junkY_San: the key has a symbol, then |
| 20:52.02 | Ace2007 | bye all |
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| 20:56.05 | junkY_San | works now |
| 20:56.17 | junkY_San | but not with the usual assignment |
| 20:56.33 | junkY_San | i had to create a new action with "ksnapshot" and assign the print-key to it |
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| 20:57.05 | aisixt_ | hi |
| 20:57.45 | aisixt_ | is it possible to run korganizer in windows (prefered win 2k and xp)? |
| 20:57.54 | Renze | not currently, no |
| 20:58.20 | aisixt_ | Renze: you meant me? |
| 20:58.26 | Renze | aisixt_: yes |
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| 20:58.43 | aisixt_ | Renze: ok thx for the fast answer ;) |
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| 20:59.02 | Renze | aisixt_: Qt3 is not free for windows... Qt4 is. And there is effort porting kdelibs to win32 at the moment. |
| 20:59.32 | pinotree | kdelibs of kde4, to be precise |
| 20:59.36 | Renze | yes |
| 20:59.45 | aisixt_ | so its possible, that it would work in future? |
| 20:59.57 | Renze | it's possible |
| 21:00.12 | aisixt_ | that's great =) |
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| 21:00.27 | Renze | opinions differ... some people hate the idea :) |
| 21:00.42 | junkY_San | good night! |
| 21:01.12 | aisixt_ | Renze: and i understand them ;) |
| 21:01.24 | junkY_San | thanks for your help! |
| 21:01.27 | junkY_San | bye bye |
| 21:01.33 | Renze | junkY_San: no problem |
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| 21:04.39 | aisixt_ | Renze: u are an kde developer? |
| 21:04.45 | Renze | nope, just a user |
| 21:04.57 | Renze | although I aspire to contributing code in the future |
| 21:05.38 | aisixt_ | me too ;) |
| 21:06.34 | letalis | man renze, do you sleep? |
| 21:06.37 | letalis | LOL |
| 21:06.47 | Renze | letalis: um, it's 9:06am :P |
| 21:06.52 | aisixt_ | but not for kde, it looks to be to large for a beginner ;) |
| 21:07.00 | letalis | ok fair enough |
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| 21:16.26 | Renze | PhilRod: I do the user support thing, but I do want to code too :D |
| 21:17.26 | aseigo | aisixt_: it's like getting into the ocean.. you start at the short and slowly wade in deeper and deepr |
| 21:17.48 | thiago | but, of course, we badly need coders |
| 21:17.52 | Renze | aseigo: until you're being circled by sharks? :D |
| 21:17.53 | thiago | core coders in special |
| 21:17.56 | aseigo | aisixt_: it's really not too large as long as you start by wading around in the shallows first ... such as playing around with a specific app |
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| 21:20.05 | aisixt_ | aseigo: i think i musst start by playing with cvs/subversion (is that correct grammar?) |
| 21:21.00 | aseigo | aisixt_: we use svn (subversion) ... there's a good online book for that.. http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 21:21.21 | thiago | I think we have SVN tutorials on developer.kde.org |
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| 21:21.30 | aseigo | aisixt_: and our wiki page http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+Subversion+HOWTO |
| 21:21.39 | thiago | that are more specific to KDE development, which should be helpful enough |
| 21:22.16 | aseigo | yep... http://developer.kde.org/source/ |
| 21:22.27 | aseigo | in particular http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html |
| 21:22.29 | aisixt_ | oh thx for the infos =) |
| 21:23.25 | thiago | the wiki page looks like something I started a year and a half ago and didn't update |
| 21:23.39 | thiago | svn up -N trunk branches tags work <--- suspicious |
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| 21:26.12 | aisixt_ | if i hear words like "trunks", "branches" or "tags", i become very scared ;) |
| 21:27.34 | aisixt_ | aaah |
| 21:27.35 | aisixt_ | help |
| 21:27.58 | aisixt_ | which version am i now? |
| 21:28.13 | thiago | aisixt_: ok, quick explanation of trunk -> branches -> tags |
| 21:28.26 | thiago | development is like a tree: everyone works in one central codebase |
| 21:28.32 | thiago | that is called the trunk: it grows up |
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| 21:29.01 | thiago | whenever there's a specific need to work isolatedly, we "branch": we start growing to the side |
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| 21:29.34 | thiago | tag is just a way to store the state of the branch or trunk at a specific date/time |
| 21:30.29 | aisixt_ | ok, that was quick and dirty ;) |
| 21:30.45 | BlackBsd | where can i find the source for glxgears? |
| 21:31.13 | aisixt_ | are there todos for kde? |
| 21:31.16 | BlackBsd | i guess as part of xorg distro.. |
| 21:35.31 | thiago | aisixt_: lots of them :-) |
| 21:35.38 | thiago | there's a KDE4 TODO somewhere... |
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| 21:47.12 | Renze | and that's why I hate changing settings on my router :) |
| 21:48.28 | isolationist | lol |
| 21:49.09 | isolationist | my router allows you to backup your configuration but is unable to read it back in |
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| 21:50.41 | Renze | anywho, gotta get ready for a couple of appointments |
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| 22:08.15 | xororand | hi |
| 22:08.24 | athlonmx | can one be really be jailed for downloading illegally music through peer to peer ? |
| 22:08.48 | thiago | athlonmx: yes |
| 22:08.59 | thiago | one can be jailed for doing anything that is illegal |
| 22:09.04 | thiago | just because it's illegal |
| 22:09.33 | athlonmx | downloading music ? |
| 22:09.37 | thiago | if you're legally downloading music, however, then you can't |
| 22:09.47 | athlonmx | ahhh |
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| 22:10.22 | athlonmx | why legally |
| 22:10.25 | thiago | of course, it depends on your region's penal code to determine what's the penalty for such an offense |
| 22:10.28 | athlonmx | peer to peer is legal |
| 22:10.33 | thiago | it could be jail, it could be a fine, it could be something else |
| 22:10.46 | athlonmx | and there you are right |
| 22:10.49 | thiago | athlonmx: you said it yourself: "*illegal* downloading" |
| 22:10.51 | athlonmx | it depnds on the region |
| 22:11.09 | thiago | by definition, illegal downloading is... illegal :-) |
| 22:11.22 | athlonmx | so peer to peer is not legal ? |
| 22:11.29 | athlonmx | file sharing I mean |
| 22:11.35 | thiago | it depends on what you share |
| 22:11.41 | athlonmx | I share files |
| 22:11.44 | athlonmx | :) |
| 22:11.51 | thiago | it depends on the contents of those files. |
| 22:12.03 | athlonmx | it is gunzipped with pw |
| 22:12.05 | athlonmx | :) |
| 22:12.21 | thiago | if you're violating the license of any copyrighted work, it's illegal |
| 22:12.25 | aseigo | thiago: actually, not in canada |
| 22:12.50 | thiago | aseigo: by definition, if you're not allowed to do it, it's illegal |
| 22:12.54 | thiago | if you're allowed, it's legal :-) |
| 22:12.55 | aseigo | thiago: right now it's legal to d/l materials .. we had a supreme court ruling on this a year or two ago to the shock of everyone and horror of the riaa |
| 22:13.12 | athlonmx | but peer to peer allow me to do it ,right ? |
| 22:13.24 | aseigo | athlonmx: a gun allows you to shoot people. =) |
| 22:13.30 | thiago | athlonmx: It's not the technology that says if you're allowed to do it or not. It's the law. |
| 22:13.52 | aseigo | thiago: so right now we have a really wierd situation where it's violating the copyrights, but it's not illegal... people are working on "fixing" that though |
| 22:14.06 | athlonmx | so,we cannot share personal tar .gz with guid names files with friends |
| 22:14.16 | athlonmx | :) |
| 22:14.24 | thiago | aseigo: one could say that instead of violating the copyrights, the copyrights' licenses have been changed to allow that |
| 22:14.25 | aseigo | athlonmx: as thiago says it has everything to do with the contents of the files and the laws where you live |
| 22:14.33 | pinotree | athlonmx: will you be on topic sometimes? |
| 22:14.38 | athlonmx | but what if I dont know the content |
| 22:14.49 | aseigo | athlonmx: i suggest consulting a lawyer. not this channel. |
| 22:14.49 | thiago | athlonmx: if you don't know the content, why are you sharing the file in the first place? |
| 22:15.01 | athlonmx | no |
| 22:15.04 | athlonmx | I am not sharing |
| 22:15.17 | athlonmx | I am using it because a friend of me on kde channel told me |
| 22:15.19 | athlonmx | :) |
| 22:15.41 | athlonmx | he said it was the latest whitepaper of his download manager |
| 22:15.43 | thiago | ok, to end this conversation: do you think a judge would find that argument convincing? :-) |
| 22:15.52 | athlonmx | yes |
| 22:16.22 | thiago | good night everyone |
| 22:16.28 | pinotree | night thiago |
| 22:16.29 | aseigo | thiago: g'nite man |
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| 22:17.04 | pinotree | night athlonmx |
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| 22:26.15 | megamax | I have a question |
| 22:26.39 | pinotree | shoot |
| 22:26.49 | megamax | are you sure you banned me ? |
| 22:27.20 | Renze | time for a hostmask ban? |
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| 22:27.28 | megamax | yes |
| 22:30.28 | megamax | so |
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| 22:30.32 | megamax | :) |
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| 22:30.52 | megamax | hey hey |
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| 22:38.03 | pinotree | MinceR: isn't it already? |
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