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| 00:16.01 | angasule | I'm using KDE 3.5.2 on Kubuntu Dapper and I want to write an applet, can anyone recommend me a tutorial? the one at kde.org is for KDE 2.0 |
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| 00:25.24 | majikman | why is it that when i try to use filters on KMail, it only lets me filter mail into the local folders? it won't let me filter stuff into my imap? |
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| 00:30.56 | olaf123 | hi |
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| 00:33.36 | Malician | heya, does anybody know how to create the My Computer icon in KDE? |
| 00:33.46 | Malician | at somepoint it disapeared and I dunno how to get it back |
| 00:34.36 | Sho_ | Malician: Make an ew "Link to location" and use system:/ as target |
| 00:35.19 | Malician | hreh, I remember the old one showing a bunch of system info when I clicked on it |
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| 00:35.43 | Renze | that one is distribution specific |
| 00:36.01 | Sho_ | Malician: This may depend on your distribution to a certain degree; KDE by default has no "My Computer" icon, for example |
| 00:36.23 | Sho_ | Malician: But I'm assuming that system:/ is what you want |
| 00:38.31 | Malician | *nods* thanks |
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| 00:51.46 | olaf123 | how can I change the resolution of my TFT-Screen to a higher resolution? In Yast I only can find a low resolution, and changing have no effect |
| 00:56.54 | Renze | yast is nothing to do with KDE... ask in #suse |
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| 00:58.22 | kakei | Hello, my akregator is crashing when i launch it, the backtrace is : http://paste-bin.com/358 |
| 00:58.33 | olaf123 | Renze: ok, thanx |
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| 01:00.20 | yeason | my chat client is having issues, can someone just let me know if this gets thru? |
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| 01:01.05 | Sho_ | (Kopete is having issues, eh? ;-) |
| 01:01.19 | angasule | I'm using KDE 3.5.2 on Kubuntu Dapper and I want to write an applet, can anyone recommend me a tutorial? the one at kde.org is for KDE 2.0, mostly I'm concerned with all the glue |
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| 01:02.26 | Renze | angasule: is the kdevelop template not useful? |
| 01:02.57 | angasule | Renze: didn't know there was one :) I'll check it out, thanks |
| 01:03.07 | Renze | no problem |
| 01:03.08 | Sho_ | angasule: Even if it's for KDE 2.0 it will probably still be useful |
| 01:03.27 | angasule | Sho_: not the glue, though |
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| 01:10.28 | yozko | hi guys! I have both my desktop and my laptop using gentoo and configured for using utf8 (LC_ALL="es_ES.utf8", kernel NLS utf8, UNICODE="yes" in rc.conf....) they appear to be exactly the same... however, when i want to copy my documents from the desktop to the laptop thru ssh (kde fish:/ kioslave) ALL the filenames that i see in my desktop (from the laptop) are screwed, the accents, all the symbols... all messed up. Any idea about |
| 01:10.28 | yozko | why this happens? could it be a problem of fish:/ or kde not set to work with utf8 (though qt handles utf8 natively).... dunno |
| 01:11.57 | Renze | yozko: try using sftp:/ instead and see what happens (it might be some ssh mangling going on) |
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| 01:13.03 | yozko | Renze: it's equally screwed |
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| 01:13.11 | Renze | hmmm |
| 01:13.39 | Renze | I'd look into ssh settings, perhaps? |
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| 01:22.43 | qupada | i never understood the purpose of fish:/, sftp:/ is an order of magnitude faster, otherwise they're basically offering the same thing |
| 01:23.00 | Renze | fish:/ is for older ssh servers that don't have the ftp protocol built in |
| 01:26.27 | rohanpm | I thought fish:/ was supposed to be faster because it pipelines transfers |
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| 01:28.15 | rohanpm | When I use fish:/ I end up with dozens of .fishsrv.pl processes running on the server even months after my last transfer |
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| 01:30.41 | bioticpro | whats a good program to make animated gifs from mpg/avi clips? |
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| 01:36.57 | yeason | I keep getting a message while in IRC about "message could not be parsed, likely due ot an encoding problem..." what's up with this? |
| 01:37.29 | Renze | that's a kopete problem with your message style, I believe |
| 01:37.47 | yeason | Renze: what exaclty do you mean...? |
| 01:38.01 | Renze | yeason: I can't tell you "exactly" |
| 01:38.38 | yeason | Renze: ok, cuase it is sparodic and I can't seem to see any commonality between the messages that get that |
| 01:39.04 | Renze | when I used kopete for IRC, it would occasionally happen if I used formatting in the message (bold, italic, etc) |
| 01:39.33 | Renze | yeason: you might want to upgrade to latest kopete and see if it still happens |
| 01:39.37 | Renze | 0.12.2 |
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| 01:40.48 | yeason | ah, I have 0.11.1, when I have a chance I'll give that a try, thanx |
| 01:41.04 | yeason | ok, that last message got the parsing error |
| 01:41.47 | Renze | yeason: might I suggest Konversation for IRC? |
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| 01:42.20 | yeason | Renze: you sure can, I'll have to look into it at another time, currently trying to get some other stuff going |
| 01:42.26 | Renze | ok |
| 01:45.19 | yeason | Renze: does conversations do AIM too? |
| 01:45.28 | Renze | no, konversation is for IRC only |
| 01:45.36 | yeason | ok, thnx |
| 01:45.58 | olaf123 | bye n8 |
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| 01:48.17 | erudified | Is there a decent KDE image editor |
| 01:48.27 | Renze | krita, part of koffice |
| 01:48.33 | erudified | thanks |
| 01:48.37 | Renze | no problem |
| 01:51.57 | erudified | Does anyone ause KOffice on a daily basis? How is MS Office compatibility? |
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| 01:52.14 | Renze | not as good as in OOo, but then I don't use MS formats if I can avoid them |
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| 01:52.56 | erudified | Yeah, I tend to get excel spreadsheets as email attachments a lot |
| 01:52.56 | tvtoon | It is great, but when M$ thingies come, neither Open Office has full support |
| 01:53.25 | erudified | Not too many word docs though |
| 01:53.31 | Renze | I can open excel stuff in kspread easily enough... it does tend to lose some formatting though |
| 01:53.49 | Renze | odf forever! |
| 01:54.02 | erudified | Renze, I typically export it to HTML or XML and parse it from there |
| 01:54.33 | erudified | most of the stuff that comes in excel spreadsheets I end up putting in a relational db with a basic frontend |
| 01:54.51 | erudified | and then no one uses it =) |
| 01:54.58 | Renze | thankfully very few people send me MS format stuff. I ask them not to. :) |
| 01:55.12 | erudified | Renze, MBAs |
| 01:55.19 | Renze | "industry standard formats only please" :) |
| 01:55.31 | erudified | Yeah, SQL and HTML don't count =P |
| 01:56.08 | Renze | if it's something I only need to read, I ask for pdf |
| 01:57.26 | erudified | I do quite a bit of data integration bullshit... I work for an herbal pharmaceutical company... spent my first month getting all the ingredients, labels and instructions in a database with a web frontend from a disparate set of excel/word documents distributed randomly across the organization |
| 01:57.52 | erudified | and I swear to god, they preferred their way of doing it! |
| 01:57.56 | Renze | been there, done similar :) |
| 01:58.15 | erudified | Yeah, that bothered me for a couple weeks |
| 01:58.17 | Renze | I've said it before, and I'll say it again... users are dumb :D |
| 01:58.21 | erudified | then I realized my check still clears |
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| 02:37.01 | infidel | does kopete support voice? |
| 02:37.31 | kakei | no it doesn't |
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| 02:38.57 | infidel | weird it supports video but not voice |
| 02:39.27 | erudified | that's not wierd, it makes perfect sense |
| 02:39.47 | infidel | ok explain it to me then |
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| 02:39.54 | erudified | do you have a girlfriend? |
| 02:40.00 | infidel | lol |
| 02:40.13 | infidel | i got you |
| 02:40.16 | erudified | =P |
| 02:40.20 | marccollin | does a web page exist to know all konqueror function? |
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| 02:45.44 | rohanpm | Kopete can support voice |
| 02:46.00 | rohanpm | Over Google Talk |
| 02:52.28 | infidel | really |
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| 02:56.49 | infidel | looks likeaim only g |
| 02:56.57 | infidel | gaim |
| 02:57.29 | erudified | I really hate running anything other than KDE apps under KDE |
| 02:58.45 | infidel | defeats the integrity of it |
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| 03:05.36 | infidel | looks like it does work for kopete but only the jabber protocol |
| 03:05.54 | Renze | yes, voice is protocol specific |
| 03:06.04 | Renze | it only works on google talk |
| 03:06.21 | infidel | yeah |
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| 03:19.29 | QMario | What did you guys think of me when I first came into this channel? |
| 03:20.14 | theEraser | I came in after you so i didnt think anything |
| 03:20.42 | Renze | I don't judge people until they show what kind of person they are |
| 03:22.18 | mobtek | I hate you all equally :P |
| 03:22.34 | Renze | bloody aussies :P |
| 03:22.55 | mobtek | kekek |
| 03:23.00 | Renze | you and your cans of bad tuna |
| 03:23.06 | mobtek | bad tuna? |
| 03:23.11 | StarScream | morn all |
| 03:23.17 | mobtek | are we offloading all our crap tuna to nz? |
| 03:23.20 | erudified | in high school I had a teacher who would spaz out whenever you said "rotten tuna" |
| 03:23.21 | Renze | yeah, I had a can of tuna from Australia on thursday, it was bad |
| 03:23.24 | mobtek | best thing for it really |
| 03:23.25 | mobtek | :) |
| 03:23.43 | mobtek | the nipponese get all our best tuna :) |
| 03:23.48 | mobtek | by theft hehe |
| 03:24.11 | erudified | I want to move to australia |
| 03:24.24 | Renze | new zealand is better |
| 03:24.29 | mobtek | nah |
| 03:24.32 | erudified | how much does property on the beach run there? |
| 03:24.36 | Renze | we don't have John Howard |
| 03:24.37 | erudified | in decent areas? |
| 03:24.41 | mobtek | thats just nz conceit :) |
| 03:24.48 | mobtek | hahah Renze that IS a plus |
| 03:24.52 | mobtek | little tory arsehole |
| 03:24.59 | mobtek | oops 'scuse the french |
| 03:25.04 | Renze | or Rove McMannis :P |
| 03:25.06 | rohanpm | QMario: weren't you trying to get us to look at some PDF program? |
| 03:25.29 | mobtek | oh man I saw rove years ago when he was on public telly right |
| 03:25.33 | mobtek | in melb |
| 03:25.43 | mobtek | I can't believe that prat is still doing the same stuff |
| 03:25.53 | Renze | or Rolf Harris... or Steve Irw - er, nevermind |
| 03:26.28 | Renze | or that stupid One Australia racist bitch |
| 03:26.37 | mobtek | hanson? |
| 03:26.41 | Renze | pardon my greek |
| 03:26.48 | rohanpm | w00t, politics in #kde |
| 03:26.50 | mobtek | goddamn that ugly old whore was a hillbilly |
| 03:26.51 | rohanpm | I voted today |
| 03:27.15 | mobtek | I saw her parents interviewed, they are aust. KKK for real, they refer to immigrants as 'mud people' |
| 03:27.27 | mobtek | say no more |
| 03:27.34 | mobtek | hehe rohanpm QLD elections? |
| 03:27.49 | rohanpm | mobtek: yeah |
| 03:27.52 | mobtek | Vote Labor! |
| 03:27.53 | mobtek | :P |
| 03:28.10 | Renze | Vote "No Confidence" :D |
| 03:28.38 | Renze | I always wanted to start a party and name it that |
| 03:28.39 | mobtek | hahah pipe down sheep shagger :P |
| 03:28.39 | Renze | or "None of the Above" |
| 03:28.51 | mobtek | Renze: in the first local elections for self government in the act I voted for the Party Party Party Party |
| 03:29.27 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 03:29.31 | mobtek | I'd vote for that |
| 03:29.35 | mobtek | they are comfy++ |
| 03:29.53 | mobtek | and I am part scottish |
| 03:29.54 | Renze | and breezy if worn in the true scottish fashion |
| 03:30.07 | mobtek | I have the Thompson tartan here somewhere too :) |
| 03:30.19 | mobtek | Renze: yeah well sans boxers is the norm mate :) |
| 03:30.34 | Renze | wind through the willows, alright :D |
| 03:31.11 | mobtek | hahah mighty Cedars LO |
| 03:31.12 | mobtek | :P |
| 03:32.21 | mobtek | man I just had bison for lunch |
| 03:32.28 | mobtek | next to kangaroo, best meat ever |
| 03:32.42 | Renze | you aussies are crazy |
| 03:33.03 | mobtek | heheh |
| 03:33.55 | Renze | do they still kill aborigines in Tasmania? |
| 03:34.01 | mobtek | haha no |
| 03:34.27 | Renze | oh that's right... there are none left in Tasmania :D |
| 03:34.29 | mobtek | and besides, my family didn't repress them, we repressed the africans, but only for 20 years or so :) |
| 03:34.45 | qupada | i have some photos of a snake eating a small kangaroo somewhere if you'd like me to find them |
| 03:34.48 | mobtek | Renze: nah heaps survived, that is a myth that they were all killed |
| 03:35.37 | erudified | the important thing about genocide is you've got to kill the babies |
| 03:35.41 | erudified | or else they'll come back to get you |
| 03:36.55 | StarScream | erudified: ahh is that what we did wrong... |
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| 03:41.38 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Go buy a sheep. Mr. Howard is cool. |
| 03:42.17 | Renze | At least they're blonde |
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| 03:43.21 | AegeanLinux | ? hey |
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| 03:43.36 | AegeanLinux | <Renze> "At least they're blonde" |
| 03:44.18 | Renze | if I have to explain the joke, it won't be funny any more |
| 03:45.07 | AegeanLinux | I don't get it |
| 03:45.19 | AegeanLinux | I am trying Renze, Trying real hard |
| 03:45.43 | Renze | maybe in a few years |
| 03:46.58 | AegeanLinux | Are you saying our Johnny is an old fart ? |
| 03:47.49 | Renze | no |
| 03:48.21 | Renze | that's a given |
| 03:49.18 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I give up |
| 03:49.53 | AegeanLinux | WAIT! Are you trying to say that sheep are hot ? |
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| 03:49.55 | AegeanLinux | Muhahahaha |
| 03:50.21 | Renze | wouldn't you be hot if you were covered in thick wool? :D |
| 03:50.46 | AegeanLinux | ... smart ass ... |
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| 03:57.30 | rohanpm | stupid sourceforge is broken |
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| 04:02.57 | mobtek | hahah Renze |
| 04:03.20 | mobtek | can anyone remember how to get mailman to send you the last 10 messages for mailing lists @ kde.org? |
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| 04:11.12 | mobtek | hahah wtf amarok src is now 17mb? |
| 04:16.23 | AegeanLinux | mobtek: Its been that way for a few days mobtek :-) |
| 04:18.00 | mobtek | that seems a lot though :) |
| 04:18.31 | mobtek | maybe just because I am on dialup atm and it will take several days to download :) |
| 04:19.10 | AegeanLinux | mobtek: I assume you Gentoo ? |
| 04:19.21 | mobtek | you assume correctly |
| 04:19.29 | AegeanLinux | On dialup ? |
| 04:19.45 | AegeanLinux | Dang boy. You have some patience |
| 04:19.49 | mobtek | haha no my ADSL2+ is being connected, by wednesday |
| 04:19.57 | AegeanLinux | Oh, good good. |
| 04:19.58 | mobtek | changeover from normal ADSL |
| 04:20.09 | mobtek | in the interim, dialup :) |
| 04:20.15 | mobtek | it feels like 1997 again :)| |
| 04:20.22 | AegeanLinux | You poor thing. You must love the speed |
| 04:20.28 | mobtek | it's weird |
| 04:20.35 | mobtek | how did we ever use the internet with these speeds? |
| 04:21.31 | AegeanLinux | They were the days that KDE source was only 3 MB :) |
| 04:21.42 | mobtek | rofl |
| 04:21.50 | AegeanLinux | Renze: you remember them , hey ? |
| 04:22.06 | mobtek | and your p266 still took 3 days to compile it all :) |
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| 04:22.48 | Renze | don't pick on your elders! |
| 04:22.53 | Renze | :P |
| 04:23.27 | AegeanLinux | Sorry. |
| 04:23.40 | mobtek | especially when they smell of elderberries |
| 04:24.03 | Renze | mobtek: your mother was a hamster ;) |
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| 04:24.57 | mobtek | haha |
| 04:25.04 | Renze | ew, tim drool on my shoes... yuck |
| 04:25.19 | AegeanLinux | Geez, why would I drool over you |
| 04:25.36 | AegeanLinux | Unless your 17, blonf, blue eyes and a D cup ;) |
| 04:25.58 | Renze | I could possibly manage the D cup ;) |
| 04:26.14 | mobtek | he is a linux nerd so that is possible ;) |
| 04:26.17 | AegeanLinux | Less Info Renze |
| 04:26.55 | Renze | actually, not any more... not since losing 40kg |
| 04:27.30 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Are you married ? ;) |
| 04:27.41 | Renze | no |
| 04:28.13 | AegeanLinux | My birthday in 3 days! |
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| 04:30.47 | mobtek | happy bday |
| 04:30.57 | mobtek | AegeanLinux: is it a milestone or a MEH! |
| 04:31.20 | Renze | birthdays become walls around 30 |
| 04:31.33 | Renze | ack, another one! *smack* |
| 04:32.35 | AegeanLinux | 16 :) |
| 04:33.27 | mobtek | hehe a milestone then :) |
| 04:33.48 | mobtek | it is now legal for you to give your love away to the older women :P |
| 04:33.48 | AegeanLinux | Better watch the road now that I will be on it. |
| 04:33.57 | mobtek | hahah scary |
| 04:34.10 | AegeanLinux | :) It was legal in my books already anyways ;) |
| 04:34.29 | mobtek | hahah pity about those women that ended up in jail hehe |
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| 05:27.18 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I don't know if you care or not, but I do, so I will inform you anyway. The next major Xorg release, aka 7.2, will fix Mesa interface so it can be built from Mesa library instead of needing source linking hacks. |
| 05:27.39 | Renze | um... okay? |
| 05:29.29 | AegeanLinux | Felt like typing something. Soz |
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| 05:31.33 | erudified | I've been wondering for the past couple days - is objprelink deprecated now? |
| 05:32.50 | AegeanLinux | Claps for Renze. |
| 05:33.19 | serishema | hello everyone. linux newbie but long time kde user on freebsd, so impressed with some of the new stuff like how KNetworkManager handles wireless connections |
| 05:33.30 | Renze | I've never bothered with prelink |
| 05:34.03 | bluelightning_ | serishema: yeah, knetworkmanager is pretty cool |
| 05:34.34 | erudified | Yeah I just switched to freebsd, kinda miss knetworkmanager |
| 05:34.51 | erudified | but when I'm not running 3 compile jobs in the background the system is a lot faster =P |
| 05:34.57 | erudified | (than kubuntu) |
| 05:35.12 | bluelightning_ | erudified: the networkmanager backend could be ported to work on freebsd though, surely? |
| 05:35.15 | serishema | yeah i always used to run freebsd over linux for that reason and others |
| 05:35.39 | erudified | from what I understand work is underway to get knetworkmanager working on freebsd |
| 05:35.49 | erudified | and is coming along well |
| 05:35.51 | serishema | excellent :-) |
| 05:36.19 | serishema | our silly comp sci department insists that we have java though so that makes freebsd somewhat anoying for me. |
| 05:36.23 | serishema | so i switched to linux. |
| 05:36.30 | erudified | well, damn, you chose a bad time |
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| 05:36.50 | serishema | is there java on bsd now? |
| 05:36.56 | erudified | hahahah yeah =) |
| 05:37.05 | erudified | remember they changed the licensing? |
| 05:37.06 | serishema | damn |
| 05:37.19 | serishema | oh right, that's right java is open source now |
| 05:38.39 | serishema | i'm using kubuntu for now. I'm quite impressed with it though it's definately bad for low end machines. |
| 05:38.52 | serishema | it makes a windows install seem difficult with how quick it is to get something basic working |
| 05:39.05 | erudified | yeah, overall kubuntu is very nice |
| 05:39.21 | erudified | I primarily switched over to freebsd because it's what I use on our production machines at work |
| 05:39.26 | erudified | makes deployment a bit more painless |
| 05:39.34 | serishema | my main problem with it is on one of my other computers that only has 256mb of ram it runs pretty awfully |
| 05:39.50 | erudified | I'd go with fluxbox |
| 05:40.15 | serishema | i never noticed kde seeming unresponsive on freebsd on that machine.. unless i was really hitting swap hard by opening heaps of windows and compiling in the background |
| 05:40.31 | erudified | freebsd is like a tank, it really is kind of amazing |
| 05:41.09 | erudified | yesterday I thought kde seemed just a little slower than kubuntu, then I realized I had kdenetwork, kdegraphics and gimpshop building in the background |
| 05:41.23 | serishema | haha that'd do it. |
| 05:41.33 | erudified | the cool thing was it wasn't *much* slower hahah |
| 05:41.33 | serishema | i thought solaris was cool for a while, but unfortunately i don't actually have any machines that it will run on |
| 05:41.46 | serishema | that's always good. |
| 05:41.55 | serishema | it installed on my desktop pc and i got it working |
| 05:42.09 | serishema | but then it started ranomly panicing with a divide error |
| 05:42.16 | erudified | damn, can't win |
| 05:42.30 | serishema | and no one knew what the problem was or how to fix it other than saying "your hardware is not supported" which i already knew |
| 05:42.42 | serishema | cos it's only meant to run on sun branded boxes |
| 05:42.49 | erudified | I want to throw opensolaris on an opteron rig |
| 05:42.54 | erudified | see what it's about |
| 05:43.15 | serishema | If you like freebsd i think you'll like it |
| 05:43.26 | erudified | I kinda miss some of the GNU userland utils |
| 05:43.47 | serishema | not practical for me at this point though. My main machine is an acer aspire 3620 laptop and solaris's laptop support is not there yet |
| 05:43.53 | serishema | PC cards don't even work yet |
| 05:43.57 | erudified | Yeah, Dell 600M here |
| 05:44.05 | serishema | and i have a vodafone mobile connect card i'd quite like to be able to use :-) |
| 05:44.14 | erudified | I rebuilt my desktop and UPS'd it to my nephew for his birthday |
| 05:44.32 | serishema | that was nice of you |
| 05:44.39 | erudified | I try! |
| 05:45.14 | serishema | i was surprised how easy the mobile connect card was to get working in linux |
| 05:45.27 | serishema | i was thinking it wasn't going to work. But it comes up like a usb serial modem |
| 05:45.33 | serishema | and you set it up just the same way |
| 05:46.02 | erudified | I've been wanting to play with some of that fancy GPRS mobile dialup stuff |
| 05:46.14 | serishema | it's pretty neat. |
| 05:46.27 | erudified | What kind of speeds do you get? |
| 05:46.30 | serishema | the card i have is 3G/HSDPA so it's 384kbits/sec |
| 05:46.41 | erudified | nice |
| 05:46.52 | serishema | a typical download speed would be 45 - 50 kb/sec |
| 05:47.00 | serishema | terrorable upstream though |
| 05:47.10 | serishema | so voice over ip, etc will not work though. |
| 05:47.18 | serishema | it is 64kbps upstream but with really bad latency |
| 05:47.48 | erudified | it'd be worth it to not have to do the hunt-for-open-wireless-network dance |
| 05:48.18 | serishema | i got it cos vodafone were doing a rediculously cheap 1gb cap plan with the card thrown in for free |
| 05:48.21 | serishema | and i couldn't resist :-) |
| 05:48.31 | erudified | who could? =P |
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| 05:50.14 | serishema | so now i get twice as much cell phone radiation as everyone else :-) |
| 05:50.44 | erudified | does it just use ppp? |
| 05:51.16 | serishema | yup |
| 05:51.25 | serishema | it's remarkably standard |
| 05:51.48 | serishema | authentication is pap |
| 05:51.59 | serishema | you have to specify a username and password but the remote side doesn't care what it is. |
| 05:52.15 | erudified | just authenticates your SIM? |
| 05:52.19 | serishema | yeah |
| 05:52.27 | erudified | very cool |
| 05:54.43 | serishema | is 760mb ram usage with what i consider to be pretty moderate load normal? |
| 05:55.13 | erudified | how much of that is cached? |
| 05:55.23 | serishema | how can i find that out? |
| 05:55.29 | erudified | top |
| 05:56.31 | serishema | 438mb is cached |
| 05:56.42 | serishema | so is that like a disk cache? because if it is that doesn't seem so bad |
| 05:56.46 | erudified | yeah that's just the VM doing it's thing, I'd say it's normal |
| 05:57.50 | serishema | so with linux is your physical memory that's not allocated by a running process used as a disk cache? |
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| 05:58.23 | IamEthos | okay, so I have an unmounted samba share hanging out on my desktop |
| 05:58.48 | erudified | Not sure if it's specifically a disk cache |
| 05:58.54 | IamEthos | everytime I right-click->mount, it says "Permissions Denied" |
| 05:59.07 | IamEthos | so I'm thinking I may have to mount as root? |
| 05:59.09 | erudified | but it's data that'll get paged out to swap if something else needs it |
| 05:59.16 | IamEthos | but why can't my normal user mount? |
| 05:59.35 | Renze | IamEthos: check the options for that entry in fstab |
| 05:59.52 | Renze | IamEthos: is there "user" in the options? |
| 06:00.07 | ironfroggy | is there still no way to bind a key combination to switch between all windows across all desktops, rather than windows within the current desktop only? |
| 06:01.01 | Renze | ironfroggy: is the "traverse windows on all desktops" option in kcontrol not what you want? |
| 06:01.17 | ironfroggy | i will look |
| 06:01.42 | Renze | Desktop -> Window Behaviour, Focus tab, under Navigation |
| 06:01.48 | IamEthos | Renze, //ns-windows/external /mnt/external smbfs fmask=644,dmask=755,guest,uid=nsloan,gid=disk,guest 0 0 |
| 06:02.08 | IamEthos | the uid is the user that I want... |
| 06:02.12 | Renze | IamEthos: try adding "user" to the options and try mounting as user again |
| 06:02.21 | Renze | "user" means "users can mount this" |
| 06:03.03 | Renze | uid just sets what user the files will be shown to belong to |
| 06:03.42 | IamEthos | smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000) smbmnt failed: 1 |
| 06:04.02 | IamEthos | does that look familiar? |
| 06:04.04 | Renze | chmod +s `which smbmnt` |
| 06:04.19 | Renze | as root |
| 06:05.33 | IamEthos | worked |
| 06:05.34 | IamEthos | thanks man |
| 06:05.47 | Renze | no problem |
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| 06:06.59 | d3ads0ul | can anyone tell me a cd burner for kde ? |
| 06:07.18 | logixoul | d3ads0ul: K3b |
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| 06:08.54 | chx | I am from the Drupal project and looking at www.kdedevelopers.org is Drupal -- is there anything we could help to make things better for you guys? |
| 06:10.54 | logixoul | chx: #kde-devel migh have a more appropriate audience for that. |
| 06:11.14 | chx | ah |
| 06:11.15 | chx | thanks |
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| 06:32.18 | hagebake | hmm |
| 06:32.34 | hagebake | Kmail has some really handy features |
| 06:33.11 | hagebake | it converts "someone at somewhere dot edu dot pl" to "someone@somewhere.edu.pl" when i paste it into the address box |
| 06:36.10 | Blissex | hagebake: that sort of shows that the anti-spam of that notation are not that high. |
| 06:37.00 | hagebake | it's obvious |
| 06:37.06 | logixoul | Blissex: not exactly. |
| 06:37.38 | hagebake | but it at least doesn't encourage automated spammers |
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| 06:38.29 | Blissex | my anti spam tech is to have throwaway addresses. Only way to do it. Throwaway addresses are easy if you have your own DNS server: just a wildcard MX. |
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| 06:39.43 | logixoul | Blissex: a spam spider that recognizes mangling like this and all sorts of sick stuff like joREMOVE^THIShndoCHANGETHISOTOAZEROe!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=]][[]]aT[[]][[ gugal THISMEANSGOOGLE du0t Ko.M would require heuristics that are too computationally intensive to be of real-world use imho. |
| 06:39.48 | logixoul | hmm |
| 06:39.54 | logixoul | nevermind. |
| 06:40.17 | hagebake | hmm, would you be able to let real people know your email address then? |
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| 06:41.10 | logixoul | what do you mean? |
| 06:41.18 | hagebake | was asking Blissex |
| 06:41.21 | logixoul | ok |
| 06:41.53 | hagebake | that "sick stuff" is too computationally intensive for anyone wanting to contact you too :) |
| 06:41.58 | Blissex | hagebake: they are all ''real''. |
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| 06:42.05 | hagebake | well, good people |
| 06:42.33 | logixoul | hagebake: hee hee. |
| 06:42.42 | Blissex | hagebake: I actually use two different schemes: periodic expiry and expiry on problem. |
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| 06:43.50 | Blissex | hagebake: like USER@0609.example.com (lasts a month) and USER@USER.addr.example.com |
| 06:44.22 | hagebake | how do your contacts deal with that? |
| 06:45.10 | Blissex | hagebake: well, no problem -- each contact is given a different USER.addr.example.com address. So if one of those addresses is gets spammed I just replace it. |
| 06:45.36 | Blissex | hagebake: instead for things like Usenet etc. I use the ''dated'' address. |
| 06:45.37 | serishema | ugh binary installers on linux |
| 06:45.49 | serishema | i don't know why people make them they require lots of messing about to make them work |
| 06:45.54 | serishema | and are actually harder than source |
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| 06:46.08 | serishema | i'm mainly talking about sun java stuff here :-P |
| 06:46.09 | logixoul | serishema: is that in a floss app? |
| 06:46.11 | logixoul | ah |
| 06:46.12 | hagebake | aren't there binary packages for your distro? |
| 06:46.30 | serishema | not for sun studio 11 |
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| 06:47.57 | hagebake | some open source have binary installers too, but they're much the same as binary packages to me |
| 06:48.13 | serishema | binary installers are fine when they actually work |
| 06:48.36 | serishema | but when you have to make lots of symlinks to dependancies because the installer assumes they are in the wrong place it's not so fun |
| 06:48.45 | Blissex | serishema: no, because they override the package management. |
| 06:49.20 | Blissex | serishema: binary installers exist only because 1) there are too many package managers 2) people are used to them because of MS. |
| 06:49.30 | hagebake | they're not much different from Makefiles and built binaries |
| 06:49.47 | hagebake | you can make a package for your own package management system for the installation if you want |
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| 07:38.12 | junkY_San | good morning |
| 07:38.35 | junkY_San | what's wrong when in the amarok playlist every second line is black?! |
| 07:38.59 | rohanpm | junkY_San: a bad colour scheme perhaps? |
| 07:39.04 | Renze | junkY_San: you have your "Alternate Background in Lists" colour set to black? |
| 07:39.09 | Renze | fix it in kcontrol |
| 07:40.32 | junkY_San | reapplying the color scheme worked for me |
| 07:40.36 | junkY_San | thank you! |
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| 07:41.57 | xanax` | hello |
| 07:43.00 | logixoul | hi |
| 07:43.22 | rohanpm | Hello xanax` |
| 07:44.16 | xanax` | hi Rohan |
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| 07:55.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - whats the name of the kcontrol module that lets you pick your keyboard layout? mine's wondered off |
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| 07:56.52 | logixoul | Super_Cat_Frog: kcmlayout, why? |
| 07:56.56 | logixoul | oh |
| 07:57.01 | logixoul | i see why. |
| 07:57.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | my volume up key isn't working on my remote (it pretends to be a mini keyboard) |
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| 08:06.12 | Shirakawasuna | Super_Cat_Frog: yeah that happened to me, too - the wondering off part |
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| 08:08.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | Shirakawasuna: well ive not used it since i first installed gentoo on this machine, which was last year some time |
| 08:09.14 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 08:09.22 | Shirakawasuna | I think it was the change between 3.4 and 3.5 |
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| 08:14.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | bugger |
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| 08:16.25 | jurp5 | ho |
| 08:17.10 | Super_Cat_Frog | ooh! kkbswich is in portage - i'l just install that |
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| 08:21.50 | jurp5 | how do i hide the frame of konsole(it's still there with No Borders)?? |
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| 08:24.04 | jurp5 | does someone know how i can hide that? |
| 08:24.42 | jurp5 | because i want a transparent shell on my desktop for displaying logs etc.? |
| 08:24.59 | Ardonik | jurp5: I'd just use aterm or mrxvt |
| 08:25.25 | jurp5 | i cant aterm work with good transparentcy |
| 08:25.33 | jurp5 | only transp. scrollbar |
| 08:25.41 | Shirakawasuna | jurp5: well this isn't what you're asking for but I recommend yakuake |
| 08:25.54 | logixoul | Announcement: The KWin bug triage weekend begins now. Join us at #kde-bugs |
| 08:25.55 | Shirakawasuna | jurp5: press F12 and a happy little konsole-like thing pops down. Hit it again and it hides |
| 08:26.06 | jurp5 | i have yakuake but i want another thing on my desktop |
| 08:26.06 | Ardonik | jurp5: eh? aterm -tr -trsb? |
| 08:26.11 | Ardonik | -tint, -tinttype? |
| 08:26.15 | Ardonik | man aterm? |
| 08:26.33 | jurp5 | Ardonik: only the scrollbar |
| 08:26.55 | Ardonik | Oh, probably because the KDE desktop isn't the actual X root window. |
| 08:27.03 | Ardonik | Yeu can make them the same. |
| 08:27.44 | jurp5 | how? ;) |
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| 08:29.03 | jurp5 | Ardonik: ive set with xsetroot but it still doesnt work |
| 08:29.45 | logixoul | canllaith: ping |
| 08:30.52 | jurp5 | :( |
| 08:30.53 | Ardonik | jurp5: Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> General -> Allow programs in desktop window, maybe |
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| 08:31.01 | mariux | ya think there is a list of all the unicode letters with names of them? |
| 08:31.03 | Ardonik | Just keep looking, it's there somewhere |
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| 08:31.34 | canllaith | logixoul: mmmm ? |
| 08:31.42 | jurp5 | Ardonik: no it doesnt work |
| 08:31.45 | sF|Xemanth | i have this weird stuff in kde, sometimes when i minimize and then maximize programs, they get screwy... only window borders are shown and nothing in the middle... i wonder what causes that |
| 08:31.48 | Ardonik | mariux: kcharselect or gnome-character-map are good places to explore |
| 08:31.52 | sF|Xemanth | only program's reboot helps |
| 08:31.54 | jurp5 | Ardonik: scrollbar still transparent |
| 08:32.10 | jurp5 | but the window not |
| 08:32.16 | Ardonik | jurp5: well, the issue is that your KDE desktop is not the root window, which aterm exposes through -tr |
| 08:32.46 | Ardonik | If you fire up xnest and start another wm, like fluxbox or twm, I'm sure the aterm command will work |
| 08:32.52 | jurp5 | why the scrollbar does work then? |
| 08:32.54 | mariux | Ardonik: im thinking about patching kcharselect so that you can search for "gamma" to find the gamma char f.eks. |
| 08:33.08 | logixoul | canllaith: last Konqueror bug day PhilRod changed the #kde topic to promote joining. would you please set the topic to "KWin bug triage weekend - see #kde-bugs" or something similar? |
| 08:33.15 | sF|Xemanth | http://xemanth.ath.cx:10021/screwy_window.png |
| 08:33.17 | Ardonik | mariux: the standard abbrev. for "for example" is "i.e." |
| 08:33.23 | logixoul | canllaith: a lot of people noticed it last time and joined. |
| 08:33.25 | Ardonik | f.eks. was hard to parse |
| 08:33.42 | mariux | Ardonik: ah :) i just used the norwegian one :D |
| 08:33.54 | *** topic/#kde by canllaith -> Latest releases: stable: 3.5.4. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! | KWin bug triage weekend - see #kde-bugs |
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| 08:34.05 | canllaith | There you go. |
| 08:34.17 | logixoul | thanks. |
| 08:34.18 | Ardonik | mariux: I misspoke. It's actually "e.g." |
| 08:34.31 | Ardonik | I.e. is a shorthand for "That is" or "That is to say". |
| 08:34.53 | mariux | ok |
| 08:37.24 | Ardonik | mariux: try http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode, perhaps |
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| 08:48.56 | mariux | thanks |
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| 09:03.03 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 09:03.11 | Shirakawasuna | kbuildsycoca shows all sorts of undefined mimetype stuff |
| 09:03.26 | Shirakawasuna | is this normal and all the other programs' faults? :) |
| 09:03.47 | Renze | if they're warnings, they can be ignored safely |
| 09:03.48 | pinotree | stuff like? |
| 09:03.57 | Renze | only worry if there is a line with "Error" in it :D |
| 09:07.04 | Shirakawasuna | uh-oh, I get this one, too : kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
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| 09:07.30 | Shirakawasuna | most of them are like this: kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kaffeine_part.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'KMediaPart' |
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| 09:09.16 | Shirakawasuna | I don't like the error... |
| 09:09.56 | Renze | it's not an error, it's a warning... big difference |
| 09:10.12 | Renze | oh, you mean the no database one |
| 09:10.27 | Renze | do your mimetypes actually work? |
| 09:11.04 | Shirakawasuna | seem to |
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| 09:11.17 | Renze | then you must have a database |
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| 09:11.27 | Shirakawasuna | should I run kbuildsycoca as root? |
| 09:11.33 | Renze | no, only as user |
| 09:11.47 | Renze | running as root would only update root's ksycoca |
| 09:11.54 | Shirakawasuna | that's what I thought |
| 09:12.08 | Renze | and root's ksycoca is only used by root |
| 09:12.22 | otto_ | hi at all |
| 09:12.42 | otto_ | any girl chat whit me? |
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| 09:13.09 | Renze | this is a tech support channel, not a dating channel |
| 09:13.16 | Renze | go somewhere else |
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| 09:17.37 | RockMan | ciao |
| 09:19.33 | rohanpm | chow |
| 09:19.54 | Renze | czau |
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| 09:20.42 | Shirakawasuna2 | sorry |
| 09:20.43 | Renze | send in the clones |
| 09:20.51 | Shirakawasuna2 | stupid internet died |
| 09:20.56 | Shirakawasuna2 | stupid dsl |
| 09:21.12 | Shirakawasuna2 | so the last thing I saw was otto making propositions - any tips for fixing that error? |
| 09:21.15 | Shirakawasuna2 | I don't like it :) |
| 09:22.17 | Renze | nope, sorry... did you check permissions on /var/tmp/kdecache-<user> ? |
| 09:22.35 | rohanpm | tjao |
| 09:23.11 | Shirakawasuna2 | Renze: interesting, they don't belong to m |
| 09:23.13 | Shirakawasuna2 | me |
| 09:23.29 | Shirakawasuna2 | the dirs belong to a newly-created user that isn't working for some reason (yet) |
| 09:23.30 | Renze | Shirakawasuna2: might be worth fixing, no? :) |
| 09:23.44 | Shirakawasuna2 | Renze: rm -rf /var/tmp/kdecache-nick? |
| 09:23.50 | Shirakawasuna2 | or just change perms/ |
| 09:23.51 | Shirakawasuna2 | ? |
| 09:23.55 | Renze | no way! change ownership |
| 09:24.00 | Renze | do not delete it! |
| 09:24.07 | Renze | it has lots of cache stuff in there |
| 09:24.25 | Shirakawasuna2 | still no database..... |
| 09:24.32 | Renze | drwx------ 12 renze users 4096 2006-09-09 20:17 kdecache-renze |
| 09:25.18 | Renze | Shirakawasuna2: how did the permissions get messed up in the first place? |
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| 09:26.07 | Shirakawasuna2 | Renze: no clue other than I tried logging in as the other user and it failed first |
| 09:26.20 | Renze | tres bizarre |
| 09:26.32 | parsek | why doesnt konqueror remember the "show creation time" setting altough i have saved the view profile |
| 09:27.01 | Shirakawasuna2 | indeed |
| 09:27.05 | Shirakawasuna2 | should probably just restart |
| 09:27.05 | parsek | next time i open the folder the (View->Show details->Show creation time) is grey and it doesnt show the creation time of files |
| 09:27.11 | Shirakawasuna2 | *bye* |
| 09:27.13 | Shirakawasuna2 | sleeep time! |
| 09:27.17 | Shirakawasuna2 | thanks for the troubleshooting! |
| 09:27.28 | Renze | sleep? what's that? |
| 09:27.46 | Shirakawasuna2 | the stuff you get when you're halfway between death and....whatever that other thing is |
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| 10:23.07 | Buggaboo | hey guys |
| 10:23.33 | Buggaboo | anyone know how to build the bleeding edge svn version of ktorrent? |
| 10:23.45 | thiago | use kdesvn-build |
| 10:23.52 | Buggaboo | I want to close off some memory leaks |
| 10:24.09 | thiago | ktorrent uses a lot of memory, without leaking |
| 10:24.25 | Buggaboo | last time I ran valgrind on it it leaked like hell |
| 10:24.43 | Buggaboo | but I don't know about the cutting edge version |
| 10:25.41 | Renze | I used ktorrent 2.0.2 yesterday to download 1.4GB of data... didn't use much memory at all |
| 10:26.08 | Buggaboo | ran valgrind on it? |
| 10:26.40 | Renze | no, just kept an eye on the monitor on my panel |
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| 10:26.56 | Buggaboo | not good enough for me. |
| 10:27.25 | Renze | what size memory leak are you talking about? I only have 512MB and didn't notice a thing |
| 10:28.24 | Buggaboo | okay, I'll try to reproduce it |
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| 10:30.18 | Buggaboo | just run valgrind on it |
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| 10:37.09 | |Xemanth| | does somebody know what causes this: http://xemanth.ath.cx:10021/screwy_window.png im using kde 3.5.4 |
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| 10:38.43 | |Xemanth| | that happens on many windows, with firefox and native kde programs too |
| 10:39.24 | Renze | can't seem to access it |
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| 10:39.33 | logixoul | i access it fine |
| 10:40.07 | Renze | for some reason, it's trying to open as text/plain here |
| 10:40.15 | logixoul | konq doesn't. |
| 10:40.30 | Renze | I'm using konq |
| 10:40.33 | logixoul | |Xemanth|: does it happen as a new user. |
| 10:40.44 | logixoul | ?* |
| 10:40.48 | logixoul | Renze: 3.5.4? |
| 10:40.51 | Renze | yes |
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| 10:41.07 | logixoul | Renze: check your mimetype associations, i guess. |
| 10:41.18 | Renze | I haven't changed them |
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| 10:41.54 | logixoul | something might have, dunno. |
| 10:42.01 | Renze | hmmm... nope, not opening as text/plain... just not downloading or displaying |
| 10:42.18 | Renze | just sits there forever |
| 10:42.46 | stoned | Renze, do you ever go to sleep? |
| 10:43.03 | Renze | stoned: yes... just not as early as 10:41pm :P |
| 10:43.06 | stoned | oh |
| 10:43.10 | stoned | what is your time zone |
| 10:43.14 | Renze | GMT+12 |
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| 10:43.17 | stoned | ahh |
| 10:43.20 | stoned | I'm gmt -6 |
| 10:43.30 | Renze | 18 hours behind me |
| 10:43.31 | stoned | so basically that means, you're a tool and I'm not |
| 10:43.53 | qupada | Renze: your clock is a little out. it was 10:43 when you said it was 10:41 |
| 10:43.59 | qupada | :P |
| 10:44.00 | stoned | haha |
| 10:44.05 | stoned | and they call me stoned |
| 10:44.08 | Renze | qupada: yeah, I looked at my alarm clock :D |
| 10:44.12 | Renze | Sat Sep 9 22:44:05 NZST 2006 |
| 10:44.23 | qupada | Sat Sep 9 22:44:23 NZST 2006 |
| 10:44.26 | wizard123 | hi |
| 10:44.42 | stoned | hello |
| 10:44.54 | wizard123 | i downloaded image.dmg. can k3b handle that? |
| 10:45.02 | wizard123 | (i don't have it installed) |
| 10:45.20 | thiago | wizard123: yes, it can write any file to a CD |
| 10:45.20 | Renze | .dmg? never heard of it |
| 10:45.24 | |Xemanth| | i'm gmt+2 |
| 10:45.28 | qupada | Renze: mac format disc image |
| 10:45.36 | Renze | ah |
| 10:45.37 | thiago | wizard123: if you mean burn that as an image, then unlikely. |
| 10:45.44 | thiago | wizard123: find a tool to convert that to ISO first |
| 10:46.04 | wizard123 | .dmg are images from os x :| |
| 10:46.45 | |Xemanth| | so what about my screwy window ? :( |
| 10:46.49 | thiago | there should be a tool to convert them. Check freshmeat.net. |
| 10:47.11 | thiago | |Xemanth|: it means the window stopped updating. The program is probably stuck. |
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| 10:47.13 | thiago | frozen |
| 10:47.26 | wizard123 | thiago: ok, thanks |
| 10:47.31 | qupada | should be called 'dmg2iso'... to keep in line with the other apps... 'bin2iso', 'mdf2iso', etc |
| 10:47.49 | stoned | qupada, you have such a great nickname |
| 10:47.55 | Renze | http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/ |
| 10:48.00 | stoned | everytime man, its wicked, when I read it |
| 10:48.10 | Renze | written in perl, even |
| 10:48.12 | stoned | like from the crustacious period |
| 10:48.19 | stoned | Arthropoda |
| 10:48.22 | stoned | Qupada |
| 10:48.24 | stoned | hehe :) |
| 10:48.28 | hkBst | lol |
| 10:49.06 | wizard123 | hmm... stoned kupa means shit in polish |
| 10:49.17 | stoned | word |
| 10:49.39 | stoned | stoned means wrestler in my langugage |
| 10:49.48 | wizard123 | :) |
| 10:50.05 | hkBst | stoned: what language is that? |
| 10:50.05 | stoned | but in english it means you were stoned (with rocks), but now it also means that when you get really high, you're kinda useless, like you got stoned (with rocks) |
| 10:50.10 | stoned | well that is the origin of tht |
| 10:50.13 | stoned | Sindhi |
| 10:50.18 | Renze | stoned means wasted on recreational chemicals in my language :D |
| 10:50.22 | stoned | its a pakistani language |
| 10:50.43 | stoned | Renze, indeed mr smarty pants |
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| 10:51.14 | stoned | el |
| 10:51.18 | stoned | "The" |
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| 10:51.27 | stoned | Once upon a time in Mexico |
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| 10:52.38 | wizard123 | everytime i try to install something from ports it says: grep: /usr/local/lib/libiconv.la: No such file or directory |
| 10:53.08 | wizard123 | whooop, not that # |
| 10:53.19 | Renze | ha ha! |
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| 10:58.34 | wizard123 | hehe. portinstall libiconv solved the problem ;) |
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| 11:06.19 | parsek | how can i get vlc (kubuntu) to open a file via network without konqueror (or what does that) first downloading it to tmp? |
| 11:07.05 | benJIman | vlc isn't a kde app so doesn't understand kioslaves |
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| 11:09.25 | johey | I have just upgraded kopete from kde-base/kopete-3.5.2 (0.11.1 I believe) to net-im/kopete-0.12.2 in my Gentoo system. Now, swedish characters are totally frecked up. How can I config them? |
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| 11:14.41 | parsek | "kioslaves"? |
| 11:15.18 | freak2096 | someone has to |
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| 11:18.12 | thiago | johey: where are they messed up? |
| 11:18.16 | thiago | in kopete? |
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| 11:20.10 | johey | thiago: Yes, in the messages sent to me. |
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| 11:20.36 | thiago | make sure that the charset selection isn't active |
| 11:21.05 | johey | thiago: When I recieve a message from a friend over ICQ, swedish characters seem to change to japanese or something. |
| 11:21.10 | johey | What is that? |
| 11:22.16 | Renze | johey: what is your default encoding for your ICQ account? |
| 11:22.35 | johey | Renze: How do I find out? |
| 11:22.58 | Renze | johey: right click the green flower, select properties, then the account preferences tab |
| 11:23.01 | freak2096 | why is the default encoding in konqueror japanese? |
| 11:23.15 | Renze | freak2096: it isn't |
| 11:23.47 | freak2096 | it is here :( |
| 11:23.47 | Renze | freak2096: so change it |
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| 11:24.14 | thiago | or turn it off completely |
| 11:24.32 | freak2096 | its supposed to be "automatic detection", in the "view" menu |
| 11:24.40 | Renze | mine is |
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| 11:25.01 | freak2096 | i have googled, and dont know what to do |
| 11:25.04 | johey | Renze: Huh.. It's "Big5". :) |
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| 11:25.14 | Renze | johey: that's why you get chinese |
| 11:25.22 | Renze | johey: big5 is chinese encoding |
| 11:25.32 | Renze | johey: fix it |
| 11:25.49 | johey | Yeah, I set it to ISO-8859-1 |
| 11:26.41 | johey | Thansk! That was the problem. |
| 11:26.49 | Renze | thought so |
| 11:26.53 | Renze | no problem |
| 11:27.46 | freak2096 | the default encoding in konq is iso8859-1 too, but pages with a ' in them still look japanese :/ |
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| 11:28.13 | Renze | freak2096: give us an example URL |
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| 11:28.45 | freak2096 | http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian |
| 11:29.00 | Renze | works fine here |
| 11:29.33 | Renze | but then I don't use debian :D |
| 11:29.44 | freak2096 | if you click on the view menu, and set encoding, its japanese :/ |
| 11:30.03 | Renze | I don't have to set it, it's on auto already |
| 11:30.04 | freak2096 | lol not good enough :P |
| 11:30.43 | freak2096 | here too, but it has a list, and its stuck to japanese |
| 11:31.23 | Renze | I don't have an answer for you. have you asked in your distro channel if this is a known distro breakage? |
| 11:32.26 | freak2096 | is it a distro thing? i cant find anything in google, and/but why does auto have a list? |
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| 11:32.43 | Renze | mine is on semi-auto in that list |
| 11:32.56 | aegeanlinux | Hello Renze |
| 11:33.01 | Renze | and it doesn't display in Japanese |
| 11:33.09 | Renze | howdy tim |
| 11:33.22 | aegeanlinux | undoubtedly the most knowledable Linux user in New Zealand. |
| 11:33.33 | Renze | I doubt that |
| 11:33.38 | aegeanlinux | I don't |
| 11:33.44 | Renze | I'm sure there are hundreds that know more than me |
| 11:33.55 | freak2096 | bloody kiwis... oops |
| 11:34.15 | freak2096 | lol |
| 11:34.31 | aegeanlinux | No, Renze, your the all knowing one. |
| 11:34.43 | Renze | no, there's plenty I don't know :P |
| 11:34.57 | aegeanlinux | How do you know :-D |
| 11:35.13 | Renze | I know that I don't know, you know? |
| 11:35.22 | freak2096 | i dont? |
| 11:35.30 | aegeanlinux | **cough** |
| 11:35.54 | rohanpm | No-one is all knowing |
| 11:36.01 | Renze | precisely |
| 11:36.09 | freak2096 | lol |
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| 11:36.16 | aegeanlinux | All knowing - Xen and Gnome :---P |
| 11:36.38 | aegeanlinux | ^^ Big Nosed Tim ;-----) |
| 11:36.50 | aegeanlinux | makes me look mature on IRC. lmao |
| 11:37.03 | Renze | anywho, gonna hit the sack... hasta mañana |
| 11:37.12 | aegeanlinux | Wow. Renze already? |
| 11:37.18 | aegeanlinux | It's only like 10:30 |
| 11:37.20 | Renze | Sat Sep 9 23:37:13 NZST 2006 |
| 11:37.27 | mobtek | heh cya Renze |
| 11:37.33 | aegeanlinux | Toodles Renze. |
| 11:37.38 | Renze | later aussies |
| 11:37.42 | aegeanlinux | I'm comming over next year ;) |
| 11:37.43 | freak2096 | bye |
| 11:37.48 | mobtek | wuss |
| 11:37.48 | mobtek | :P |
| 11:37.49 | rohanpm | Goodnight |
| 11:37.51 | freak2096 | lol |
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| 11:39.20 | rohanpm | What is this aegeanlinux thing? Looks like another niche distro |
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| 11:40.15 | aegeanlinux | rohanpm: Imagine Arch's pacman, with touch of Kubuntu, and plenty of Gentoo (minus the compile _everything_ from source) and you have something quite useable :) |
| 11:40.28 | aegeanlinux | only 1,000 binary packages though |
| 11:40.55 | aegeanlinux | Very good if you know your way around nix, want something fast and something stable. |
| 11:41.11 | freak2096 | and how does it improve on debian? |
| 11:41.25 | rohanpm | The spelling mistakes on the website aren't really winning me over |
| 11:41.29 | aegeanlinux | freak2096: More volitile. |
| 11:41.47 | aegeanlinux | rohanpm: I can't speel |
| 11:41.54 | aegeanlinux | * spell |
| 11:41.54 | freak2096 | i run unstable, and most of it gets close ;) |
| 11:42.24 | aegeanlinux | freak2096: ALi is i686 optomized |
| 11:42.24 | rohanpm | aegeanlinux: what is your relationship to the project? |
| 11:42.40 | aegeanlinux | Lead Dev. |
| 11:43.21 | rohanpm | aegeanlinux: is it rewarding? |
| 11:43.43 | freak2096 | i can optimize the important stuff, with apt-src |
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| 11:44.17 | aegeanlinux | Well, being able to work with others to get a system that is up to date and not broken is very time consuming, so you need to be crazy to spend the time on it like me |
| 11:44.26 | aegeanlinux | but I love it. |
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| 11:45.50 | freak2096 | have fun then :) |
| 11:45.55 | aegeanlinux | I shall |
| 11:46.04 | crazy | get the Frugalware pacman is way better :P |
| 11:46.25 | aegeanlinux | crazy: We have our own patches for Arch's |
| 11:46.52 | aegeanlinux | like LZMA decompression for packages. So our packages are ~15% smaller to download then Frugal's |
| 11:46.58 | crazy | we send the patches as well to Arch just arch's CVS is kind died |
| 11:47.05 | crazy | see pacman-devel list |
| 11:47.16 | rohanpm | I like getting e-mails from companies telling you they use your project |
| 11:47.41 | aegeanlinux | I know |
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| 11:47.52 | aegeanlinux | Only like ~10 msgs a day. |
| 11:47.55 | aegeanlinux | Pretty pov |
| 11:48.16 | aegeanlinux | We actually have 2 of Frugals patches in our pacman. |
| 11:48.23 | crazy | aegeanlinux: yes and the most messages are from frugalware sending patches ;) |
| 11:48.31 | aegeanlinux | I know that too. |
| 11:49.40 | crazy | where is your pacman tree located ? ;) |
| 11:50.13 | aegeanlinux | We don't have one, but I can share where our patches are located, but I would have to kill you ;) |
| 11:50.53 | crazy | I think you didn't saw our pacman befor we add an onw tree ;) |
| 11:51.09 | crazy | like 50~ patches or so or more can't remember |
| 11:51.18 | aegeanlinux | Ummm, I have seen our drax |
| 11:51.27 | aegeanlinux | our whateva its called |
| 11:51.34 | aegeanlinux | starts with a 'D' |
| 11:52.02 | crazy | could you give|send me a link with the location of this patches ? |
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| 11:52.40 | aegeanlinux | SVN |
| 11:52.46 | aegeanlinux | http://svn.aegeanlinux.be:81 |
| 11:53.00 | aegeanlinux | in AegeanLinux PKGBUILD's >> Base >> Pacman |
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| 11:53.07 | crazy | ohh k |
| 11:53.09 | crazy | thx |
| 11:55.46 | aegeanlinux | crazy: we have a new release of pacman (13) in our devel svn. |
| 11:56.03 | crazy | well we are using pacman3 :) |
| 11:56.24 | freak2096 | pacman was old when i was in uni, 20+ years ago :( |
| 11:56.28 | aegeanlinux | No your not. Your using the precurser to pacman 3 |
| 11:56.39 | crazy | no |
| 11:56.43 | aegeanlinux | otherwise known as Pacman 3 BETA |
| 11:56.54 | crazy | aegeanlinux: I said _we_ added an own tree |
| 11:56.55 | aegeanlinux | pacman3 is not out yet. |
| 11:57.04 | crazy | and won't be in ages |
| 11:57.53 | crazy | http://darcs.frugalware.org/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi?r=pacman;a=summary |
| 11:58.10 | aegeanlinux | Thats what its called! Darcs |
| 11:58.15 | aegeanlinux | see ;) |
| 11:58.16 | rohanpm | I never could get past the 256th level in Pacman |
| 11:58.28 | freak2096 | lol |
| 11:58.41 | aegeanlinux | actually |
| 11:58.48 | crazy | darcs get --partial http://darcs.frugalware.org/repos/pacman |
| 11:59.06 | aegeanlinux | I was going to make a patch for the python bindings + swig |
| 11:59.10 | aegeanlinux | so it build perl ones too. |
| 11:59.29 | crazy | it you want the source ( just note in darcs are _right_ now tons changes ) |
| 11:59.44 | crazy | *if |
| 12:00.25 | aegeanlinux | Wow, someone has already had my idea |
| 12:00.37 | aegeanlinux | dang, that was fast, wasn't there last week. |
| 12:00.53 | crazy | aegeanlinux: we hve more ideas :) all in work :P |
| 12:01.33 | aegeanlinux | The Perl binings for libalpm will be good for our installer |
| 12:02.17 | rohanpm | Actually, no-one could ever get past the 256th level of Pacman without cheating |
| 12:02.26 | rohanpm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Split_Screen_in_Pac_Man.gif |
| 12:07.00 | aegeanlinux | crazy: Is Frugal's basic pacman opperations (-S , -A, -Syu) The same as Arch's? |
| 12:07.15 | aegeanlinux | crazy: and is it compatible with makepkg from Arch ? |
| 12:07.56 | crazy | aegeanlinux: the commands are the same yes but makepkg isn't we build in chroot etc |
| 12:08.02 | aegeanlinux | (I didn't spend 3 weeks programming in Bash, which I finished only yesterday for it to be worth $0) |
| 12:08.24 | crazy | aegeanlinux: anyway there are already archlinux user using it |
| 12:08.51 | aegeanlinux | meh, as you can see in our PKGBUILD tree, we have added the --chroot option to makepkg that does the same thing |
| 12:08.56 | crazy | our pacman got some more commands ( some already merged in CVS && stable one from arch ) |
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| 12:09.42 | crazy | aegeanlinux: you asked me about arch's -> fw pacman I didn't build your one :) |
| 12:09.44 | freak2096 | oh dear |
| 12:09.59 | aegeanlinux | KK . |
| 12:10.48 | crazy | aegeanlinux: easy way :) get the source compile and test it on your distro ? |
| 12:10.51 | aegeanlinux | heh, you have split package building support as well |
| 12:10.51 | crazy | :) |
| 12:10.58 | crazy | sure ;) |
| 12:11.10 | aegeanlinux | That officially puts arch in the stone age |
| 12:11.21 | crazy | ( psss :P ) |
| 12:11.26 | freak2096 | um, you are deciding this after releasing a distro? |
| 12:11.53 | aegeanlinux | freak2096: whatchu mean? |
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| 12:14.05 | freak2096 | I have had a few beers, so cant see straight for starters |
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| 12:42.02 | DeadS0ul | I wish quanta didn't crash so much |
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| 12:47.33 | Atoms | DeadS0ul i don't know why for you quanta is crashing, i'm not restarted quanta for a week, all the time working :) |
| 12:48.58 | DeadS0ul | what kind pages are you designing with quanta/ |
| 12:49.21 | Atoms | i'm using quanta for php javascript ruby bash perl |
| 12:49.29 | Atoms | python little bit |
| 12:49.41 | DeadS0ul | daaamn |
| 12:49.51 | DeadS0ul | might be my shitty website =\ |
| 12:49.52 | aegeanlinux | I use quanta for all my HTML, Python and Perl and it works fine. |
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| 12:50.12 | Atoms | in older versions it crashed all the time |
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| 12:50.21 | DeadS0ul | what version are you using now? |
| 12:50.26 | Atoms | 3.5.4 |
| 12:50.34 | aegeanlinux | I use v3.5.4 |
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| 12:50.39 | aegeanlinux | (kdewebdev) |
| 12:50.48 | DeadS0ul | 3.5.3 here |
| 12:51.02 | Atoms | just try to upgrade |
| 12:51.02 | Atoms | :> |
| 12:51.29 | Atoms | i remember in 3.5.3 crashing but less than in 3.5.2 |
| 12:51.40 | DeadS0ul | i don't think it's in dapper yet =( |
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| 12:53.29 | Atoms | DeadS0ul http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ |
| 12:53.56 | DeadS0ul | oohh thanx |
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| 12:54.03 | Atoms | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories |
| 12:54.05 | Atoms | there is info |
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| 12:58.08 | DeadS0ul | i don't see the line to add to my sources.list there =( |
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| 13:08.14 | wizard123 | after two months of searching 'distro for me' i gave up :| |
| 13:08.22 | Reptile | i hate manuals thus this question: I installed a second drive. How can i save there stuff |
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| 13:08.45 | wizard123 | Reptile: crearte partitions, creat filesystem, mount, use |
| 13:08.45 | Reptile | :-) ? |
| 13:09.19 | wizard123 | s/creat/create/ |
| 13:09.21 | Reptile | I have created a partition and filesystem |
| 13:09.29 | wizard123 | so mount it :) |
| 13:09.35 | Reptile | uh |
| 13:09.38 | Reptile | ? |
| 13:09.46 | wizard123 | which os do you use? |
| 13:09.53 | Reptile | Suse 10.1 |
| 13:10.17 | wizard123 | mkdir /mnt/whatever |
| 13:10.31 | wizard123 | mount /dev/your_partition /mnt/whatever |
| 13:11.54 | crazy | uhm |
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| 13:12.12 | wizard123 | crazy: mhu |
| 13:12.20 | crazy | aegeanlinux: let me first add you to PM allow list :) |
| 13:13.06 | crazy | ok try now ;) |
| 13:14.51 | Reptile | where do I find the name of the partition |
| 13:15.04 | wizard123 | cat /proc/partitions |
| 13:15.13 | wizard123 | in linux |
| 13:16.18 | alsuren | wizard123: that's such a cool trick! I've been using fdisk -l for years, which requires root access! |
| 13:16.46 | Reptile | like this ? GKMCDXLVI:/ # mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd |
| 13:16.59 | wizard123 | yes |
| 13:18.29 | wizard123 | time to get rid of linux :) |
| 13:19.00 | wizard123 | alsuren: :D |
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| 13:22.36 | Reptile | the drive does not show on Konquerer |
| 13:23.05 | Reptile | and if i try to create a link, its not on the list |
| 13:23.27 | alsuren | Reptile: that's because you mounted it as root |
| 13:23.39 | alsuren | so only root has permissions to use it |
| 13:24.01 | alsuren | if you want everyone to use it, you have to do a bit more than that |
| 13:24.14 | Reptile | yes ? |
| 13:24.43 | wizard123 | Reptile: konqueror shows drives listed in fstab |
| 13:24.47 | alsuren | # nano /etc/fstab |
| 13:25.05 | alsuren | and add a line in there which looks similar to the one for '/' |
| 13:25.18 | alsuren | but with appropriate partition and mount point |
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| 13:26.55 | gribouille | hi |
| 13:27.21 | Reptile | what of this : /dev/hdd1 1 19929 160079661 83 Linux |
| 13:27.28 | benJIman | Reptile: they should show regardless of whether they're in fstab |
| 13:27.36 | wizard123 | uh |
| 13:28.48 | wizard123 | Reptile: add /dev/hda1 /mnt/yours auto auto 1 2 |
| 13:28.52 | alsuren | Reptile: if that's supposed to be a line in /etc/fstab, it doesn't look right to me |
| 13:29.14 | wizard123 | Reptile: it should work under linux |
| 13:29.22 | wizard123 | replace hda1 with your partition |
| 13:30.53 | wizard123 | :) |
| 13:31.19 | alsuren | and I of all people should recognise that output |
| 13:31.40 | gribouille | there something weird : I can read audio CDs with Sound Juicer, but not with KsCD. can someone explain this ? |
| 13:31.42 | wizard123 | my fdisk produces different output |
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| 13:32.58 | wizard123 | strange |
| 13:34.39 | Theory | gribouille: have you tried toggling direct digital playback? |
| 13:35.07 | gribouille | Theory, no. how can I do that ? |
| 13:35.25 | Theory | Extras->Configure KsCD |
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| 13:36.53 | gribouille | Theory, should I use arts or alsa ? |
| 13:38.23 | Reptile | /dev/hdc1 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 |
| 13:38.23 | Reptile | /dev/hdc3 /home reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 |
| 13:38.23 | Reptile | /dev/hdc5 swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 13:38.23 | Reptile | /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd auto auto 1 2 |
| 13:38.40 | Reptile | this is how it looks now |
| 13:38.47 | Reptile | and not working |
| 13:39.10 | gribouille | Theory, ok, it works now. what does direct digital playback do exactly ? |
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| 13:39.58 | alsuren | Reptile: now try unmounting it and remounting it |
| 13:40.19 | alsuren | (can anyone comment on "auto" filesystem types in fstab?) |
| 13:40.53 | wizard123 | alsuren: works only under stoopit linux |
| 13:41.46 | alsuren | Reptile: and also check the permissions on /mnt/* |
| 13:42.17 | wizard123 | Reptile: do you mount it as root? |
| 13:42.24 | Theory | gribouille: avoids the need for a cable between your cdrom drive and soundcard |
| 13:42.42 | gribouille | Theory, ok, thanks |
| 13:45.29 | alsuren | Reptile: if you want more reliable advice on this command line stuff, try your distro's forums. #kde is *supposed* to be for helping out with kde-specific problems/discussion. We're just extra nice and helping you out anyway :D |
| 13:46.26 | wizard123 | Reptile: alsuren is right. and more, i don't use linux |
| 13:46.39 | gribouille | does anyone know if it is possible to use the extra keys on the keyboard with kde ? |
| 13:46.44 | Reptile | sorry wrong channel |
| 13:47.02 | wizard123 | Reptile: not exactly ;) |
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| 13:47.07 | Reptile | and u are nice |
| 13:47.18 | Reptile | :-) |
| 13:47.24 | alsuren | Reptile: at least you didn't ask in #windows :D |
| 13:47.33 | Reptile | lol |
| 13:47.46 | wizard123 | Reptile: but the line i gave you should work |
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| 13:49.24 | wizard123 | :D |
| 13:49.41 | wizard123 | and yes, i was trolling on #windows |
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| 13:51.40 | alsuren | reckon he got it solved? |
| 13:52.28 | alsuren | the funniest thing is, I'm actually sitting on windows as we speek |
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| 13:53.11 | alsuren | because the fedora install on this laptop is borked and the CD drive has since destroyed itself |
| 13:53.20 | wizard123 | alsuren: :S |
| 13:53.26 | alsuren | I know |
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| 13:53.47 | alsuren | but I have a secure shell client, so I can at least use trusty irssi |
| 13:54.30 | alsuren | I'm thinking "ubuntu installed using PXE boot" |
| 13:54.39 | alsuren | ~kubuntu |
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| 13:55.34 | alsuren | but that involves setting up a DHCP server on my headless server, and disabling the one on the router |
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| 13:56.05 | wizard123 | alsuren: !ubuntu !! |
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| 13:56.10 | alsuren | just have to hope my sister doesn't decide to reboot her machine in the downtime. could be interesting |
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| 13:57.10 | alsuren | wizard123: it's not my box, and it's a laptop, and I only need it for the duration of aKademy |
| 13:57.27 | alsuren | and my gentoo install is all the way in cambridge |
| 13:57.52 | alsuren | (so cut me some slack 'right? :P ) |
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| 13:58.29 | wizard123 | !gentoo |
| 13:58.44 | wizard123 | !linux :D |
| 13:58.49 | wizard123 | never again |
| 14:00.01 | wizard123 | dinner time, brb |
| 14:00.17 | alsuren | get *bsd working on a sony vaio without a CD drive, and with a linksys wlan card, in the time between now and aKademy, and I'd be tempted to *give* you the laptop afterwards |
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| 14:21.54 | muteW | How do I give a non-root user the options to shutdown from KDE when in the runlevel 4 mode ? |
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| 14:22.22 | MinceR | it's probably a kdm setting |
| 14:22.34 | MinceR | try System Administration/Login Manager in the Control Center |
| 14:23.01 | muteW | Ah hah, thanks. |
| 14:23.31 | muteW | Another problem is that kdm takes a hell of a long time to start after boot, atleast 30-40 secs. |
| 14:25.35 | gribouille | does anyone know how to use the multimdia keyw with kde ? |
| 14:25.51 | benJIman | if you select an appropriate keyboard layout they will work automatically |
| 14:25.55 | benJIman | what keyboard do you have? |
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| 14:29.31 | aegeanlinux | G'night all. |
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| 14:37.18 | muteW | Anyone using kbluetooth in here ? |
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| 14:39.28 | johey | How do I do "find next" in konqueror? I use / to start searching. |
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| 14:39.52 | johey | In Firefox, Ctrl+G is "find next", but apparently not in Konqueror. |
| 14:39.55 | vipw | johey: f3 |
| 14:40.12 | johey | Ah, vipw .. Fresh. |
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| 14:42.29 | vipw | johey: is it means, that it works for you? ;-) |
| 14:42.54 | johey | vipw: Ah, yes. It's totally fresh. :D |
| 14:43.35 | vipw | johey: great :-) |
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| 14:44.17 | alsuren | I just told my friend that I'm here, so I can talk to him when he tests his new msn client that he's writing |
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| 14:44.51 | alsuren | don't tell wizard123 that he's a pure windows .net programmer |
| 14:46.10 | tuxick | konqueror ignores <strong> tags :) |
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| 14:46.52 | muteW | That's funny, 'configure' says that kdelibs is not present but a check of my pacakges shows kdelibs installed. |
| 14:47.17 | muteW | *packages |
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| 14:47.43 | thiago | check the development packages too |
| 14:48.08 | benJIman | and check you're using the appropriate prefix |
| 14:48.18 | benJIman | ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` |
| 14:49.04 | muteW | Yep using the right prefix, but I am still getting the same error. |
| 14:49.31 | muteW | checking for KDE... libraries /opt/kde/lib, headers /opt/kde/include checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no configure: error: you need to install kdelibs first. |
| 14:50.18 | pinotree | muteW: do you have a kdelibs-devel package or sort of? |
| 14:50.58 | muteW | no, using kdelibs-3.5.4 slackware package. |
| 14:52.35 | muteW | Could installation of another kdebase package have caused any conflicts ? |
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| 15:11.43 | Reptile | wizard123 thanks for ur help w/ hard disk |
| 15:12.02 | Reptile | now it works |
| 15:13.54 | alsuren | :D happy unixing |
| 15:15.05 | Reptile | and u 2 alsuren |
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| 15:19.14 | AoA | does somebody use hddtemp with ksensors but under user account |
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| 15:34.57 | pinotree | audiocd:/ for example |
| 15:35.48 | jaym | how do i close the description section in kmail for good |
| 15:35.49 | pinotree | only audiocd:/ |
| 15:35.55 | PhilRod | just audiocd, unless gentoo have *particularly* butchered that |
| 15:36.07 | PhilRod | "description section"? |
| 15:36.20 | ChrisWhite | obj /usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3/kio_audiocd.so dc58de610e5d374d0ac7a1e1849fa33f 1156896942 |
| 15:36.39 | jaym | where it describes the contents of the email |
| 15:36.47 | jaym | things like body part internal part |
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| 15:41.01 | jaym | anyone? |
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| 15:43.46 | gribouille | hi |
| 15:43.56 | gribouille | can someone tell me how to use khotkeys ? |
| 15:44.16 | cemyssd | how would i use the audiocd kioslave? audiocd:/ isn't working, but system:/media/hdd shows me the contents of an audiocd in various formats |
| 15:44.40 | cemyssd | so is that the audiocd kioslave working to do that, or is that provided by the base kioslaves package? |
| 15:45.08 | AoA | does somebody use ksensors ? |
| 15:45.23 | cemyssd | nevermind, i just figured it out |
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| 15:56.07 | nik | hello |
| 15:58.24 | PhilRod | hi nik |
| 15:58.25 | Blissex | AoA: several people do. But bear in mind that it is just a frontend to 'lm_sensors', and you need to set those up first. |
| 15:58.57 | nik | so I'm a notebook user...is there a program zu switch wlan networks? as applet for example? |
| 15:59.18 | AoA | Blissex , o yes, I am using lm sensors, and that works fine, but I cannot use ksensors with hddtemp under user |
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| 16:02.00 | annma | 0.11.3 |
| 16:02.05 | lostson | thanks |
| 16:02.14 | lostson | guess i will have to upgrade manually |
| 16:02.24 | Blissex | AoA: ah, 'hddtemp' needs to access the disk using a privileged command... |
| 16:02.53 | Blissex | AoA: so start it in dæmon mode. |
| 16:03.06 | AoA | ooo, ok thanks <Blissex> |
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| 16:07.08 | Blissex | nik: the WiFi network manager? Also, several command line tools. |
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| 16:23.56 | pinotree | Sho_: $my++ |
| 16:26.23 | Sho_ | o.O |
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| 16:38.28 | pinotree | Sho_: how high is my kick-count? |
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| 16:39.05 | Sho_ | pinotree: lost my logs :/ |
| 16:39.12 | pinotree | boooo |
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| 16:49.43 | Theory | can anyone recommend an app which will beep at me every 15 minutes? |
| 16:50.15 | Desintegr | a loop with beep and sleep |
| 16:50.34 | Theory | you make a good point :-) |
| 16:51.03 | main2 | Theory: bash it.. |
| 16:51.48 | alsuren | what would it be? while sleep 15m do echo -e '\a' ;done |
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| 16:53.05 | Theory | hrm, beep is being remarkably silent :-s |
| 16:54.02 | alsuren | there's also gtick, which is a metronome, but I doubt it does less than 1bpm |
| 16:54.42 | alsuren | hows about using dcop amarok player play |
| 16:54.52 | alsuren | that's how I do my alarm clocks |
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| 18:12.18 | LeeJunFan | anyone know of a way to get hal/kde 3.5.4 to mount things like usb drives sync? So people at our local library won't be popping out their thumbdrives before it's finished writing? |
| 18:13.10 | LeeJunFan | having a bunch of entries in fstab is a possibility - but would be better not to have to go that route. |
| 18:14.39 | pinotree | LeeJunFan: i remember an option for a filesystem asking its sync mounting |
| 18:14.45 | pinotree | see man:mount |
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| 18:15.44 | LeeJunFan | pinotree: yeah, I can do that via mount with fstab, but the auto mouting mechanism in current kde/hal can mount devices not listed in fstab, which I like. But I just want them to mount sync instead of async. |
| 18:16.20 | pinotree | then maybe it should be some sort of hal configuration |
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| 18:21.15 | LeeJunFan | pinotree: Yeah, I'm not sure. I think kde actually does the mounting portion of it. |
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| 18:40.11 | yeason | I'm not sure if this is a gentoo problem or a kde problem, but when I try startx all I get is twm, so I tried startkde and I get command not found, when I tried emerging kdebase/kdestart kicker I get a bunch of "this package is blocking ..." can someone help? |
| 18:40.57 | alsuren | it's likely to be a gentoo problem |
| 18:41.14 | alsuren | but I have gentoo at uni, so I *might* be able to help |
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| 18:42.11 | yeason | alsuren: awesome, any ideas? should I unmerge kdebase and remerge it with kicker and all those goodies...? I find this weird since before just "emerge kde" worked |
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| 18:43.06 | alsuren | kde is just a meta-package, which depends on things like kdebase etc. |
| 18:43.18 | alsuren | which package is actually blocking what? |
| 18:43.38 | yeason | hmm... hang on a sec, it depends on what I try to do |
| 18:44.13 | alsuren | (gentoo has both monolithic and split ebuilds for each of the KDE packages, and you can't have both installed at the same time |
| 18:44.47 | yeason | alsuren: I have a feeling that's my problem, the monolithic didn't include the kicker for some weird reason and it's blocking the ebuilds that I need |
| 18:45.13 | yeason | alsuren: kde-base/kdebase-3.5* is blocking a ton of packages |
| 18:45.39 | alsuren | do equery files kde-base/kdebase |
| 18:46.31 | yeason | alsuren: I get a bunch of output, anything specific to look for? |
| 18:46.40 | alsuren | and maybe grep through that list for the programs you want, and make sure that the containing folders are in your path |
| 18:47.23 | yeason | ok, things get weirder, startkde exists |
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| 18:48.43 | alsuren | so echo $PATH to see if it's in one of those folders |
| 18:49.45 | yeason | alsuren: it's not in any of those, it's in the kde/3.5/bin folder which isn't listed by echo $PATH |
| 18:50.16 | alsuren | if not, put PATH=$PATH:<path to startkde> into your xinitrc just before calling startkde |
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| 18:50.41 | alsuren | or just do it by hand if you're feeling boring |
| 18:51.01 | alsuren | and welcome to KDE :D |
| 18:51.19 | yeason | what do you mean do it by hand...? |
| 18:51.57 | alsuren | I mean just do PATH=.... on the command line |
| 18:52.01 | Shirakawasuna | bah, stupid kuroo |
| 18:52.10 | Shirakawasuna | don't let it manage any /etc/package/ things..... |
| 18:52.20 | alsuren | but that will only last the length of your console session |
| 18:52.32 | alsuren | what's kuroo? |
| 18:52.34 | yeason | alsuren: ah, so after adding it to xinitrc it should show up under echo $PATH then right? cause it's still not showing |
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| 18:53.50 | alsuren | put it in xinitrc, and then startkde, and it should be able to find your KDE programs when it needs them |
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| 18:54.10 | IamEthos | a file called core that looks like a bomb and a lock has appeared on my desktop |
| 18:54.11 | IamEthos | what is it? |
| 18:54.24 | yeason | alsuren: ok, well startx does finally work, I think I've got it working at the moment, gonna try xgl later =) thnx |
| 18:54.45 | PhilRod | IamEthos: it's a core dump file |
| 18:54.56 | IamEthos | PhilRod, what do I do with it? |
| 18:55.08 | PhilRod | I expect googling for "what is a core dump file?" will give you some info |
| 18:55.21 | alsuren | yeason: make sure you read up on what the path environment variable does |
| 18:55.29 | PhilRod | IamEthos: delete it if you don't know what it is, and ask in your distro channel how to turn off core dump files |
| 18:55.42 | alsuren | it can come in useful for troubleshooting |
| 18:56.25 | Shirakawasuna | kinda funny that it goes to the desktop :) |
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| 18:56.37 | alsuren | and gentoo tends to be lazy about setting your path |
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| 18:56.49 | alsuren | hey Reptile |
| 18:57.06 | Reptile | hideho |
| 18:57.20 | alsuren | :D |
| 18:57.46 | alsuren | back for more? :P |
| 18:58.00 | Reptile | I decided to start reading the manuals |
| 18:58.18 | alsuren | good decision |
| 18:58.24 | Reptile | I hate that but my intuition is not sufficient |
| 18:59.29 | alsuren | unix tools tend to take a bit of learning, but once you know them, you can do anything in no time at all : |
| 18:59.32 | alsuren | :D |
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| 19:00.47 | Reptile | the logic differs somewhat from the big W |
| 19:00.54 | alsuren | try using $ man man and $ info info to help you get to know the documentation that's availabe |
| 19:01.13 | Shirakawasuna | haha |
| 19:01.18 | Shirakawasuna | logic and windows do not go together :) |
| 19:01.21 | alsuren | also, if you want man pages in konq, try #vim |
| 19:01.35 | alsuren | or #any program you like |
| 19:02.17 | alsuren | (can anyone remember the shortcut for info? |
| 19:02.17 | alsuren | or is it just info:/ |
| 19:02.17 | alsuren | ) |
| 19:02.57 | PhilRod | ## I think |
| 19:03.01 | Shirakawasuna | info:/ works |
| 19:03.09 | Shirakawasuna | man:/ works too |
| 19:03.20 | Reptile | Shira thats true, but the userfriendliness is still a bit ahead especially in installing applications |
| 19:03.57 | PhilRod | Reptile: on most distros 95% of the time, installing apps is trivial |
| 19:03.57 | alsuren | Reptile: you have much to learn |
| 19:04.09 | alsuren | get yourself onto ubuntu |
| 19:04.23 | Reptile | but there is something "magical" in Unix/Linux otherwise I wouldnt be around anymore |
| 19:04.36 | alsuren | installing stuff in suse is *hard* compared to most other distros |
| 19:04.46 | Reptile | is that so ? |
| 19:04.51 | alsuren | very much so |
| 19:05.01 | benJIman | alsuren: not at all |
| 19:05.04 | Shirakawasuna | no ubuntu! |
| 19:05.04 | serishema | i'm on kubuntu and i've found the installation of apps very easy |
| 19:05.06 | Shirakawasuna | gentoo ftw! |
| 19:05.14 | serishema | i'd recommend it for someone new to linux |
| 19:05.15 | Shirakawasuna | emerge <appname> *bam*! |
| 19:05.18 | Shirakawasuna | psh |
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| 19:05.22 | Shirakawasuna | I'd recommend gentoo |
| 19:05.26 | PhilRod | Reptile: the amazing power of the command line, regular expressions, tab completion, KDE, ... |
| 19:05.33 | Shirakawasuna | you actually learn some linux while using it |
| 19:05.49 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: hrm, "emerge <appname> *bam*!" - 'bam' does seem to be the sound that gentoo makes |
| 19:06.04 | alsuren | Shirakawasuna: I'm a gentoo man, but for a noob, you have to admit that apt-get install foo is much quicker and more satisfying |
| 19:06.30 | serishema | i do miss the bsd ports coolection though |
| 19:06.39 | PhilRod | alsuren: "gentoo: breaks the parts that other distros cannot reach!"? |
| 19:06.54 | serishema | i liked having source for everything for when my curiosity was tickled |
| 19:07.01 | Shirakawasuna | alsuren: quicker, yes. satisfying? debatable |
| 19:07.06 | PhilRod | ports is nice |
| 19:07.47 | serishema | i will have to get the latest kde source from svn and have a look |
| 19:07.51 | Shirakawasuna | psh :) |
| 19:07.51 | Reptile | ahum everybody has the best distro ? |
| 19:07.51 | alsuren | serishema: get on gentoo. it's got portage, which is basically ports on crack |
| 19:07.57 | alsuren | with lots of special colours |
| 19:08.13 | PhilRod | while no doubt there is more to gentoo than increasing the size of your CFLAGS e-penis (otherwise no one would use it), the kde packagers for it are most certainly, as you say, on crack :-) |
| 19:08.31 | SMiLeaf | and portage takes up more space ;) |
| 19:08.37 | serishema | alsuren: I tried gentoo but didn't like it and the emergye system didn't seem the same to me |
| 19:08.54 | alsuren | PhilRod: I've not noticed anything odd about the gentoo kde packages |
| 19:08.54 | serishema | I haven't playd with kde source for a few years now i bit it will have all changed heaps |
| 19:09.02 | alsuren | what defaults do they change? |
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| 19:10.09 | serishema | distro wars is one of the things that put me off linux. |
| 19:10.11 | PhilRod | alsuren: well, I haven't looked at it myself, but as I understand it, they split kde up into a million tiny pieces, so we have conversations like: "click on the foo menu". "what foo menu?" "the foo menu, right next to the bar menu" "it's not there" "zomg, your system is totally broken!?" |
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| 19:10.25 | serishema | every linux person i asked said run x and anyone that runs anything else is an idiot. |
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| 19:10.29 | PhilRod | serishema: me too, but I'm bored and there are gentoo users here :-) |
| 19:10.56 | Shirakawasuna | PhilRod: psh, like that's a problem ;) |
| 19:11.08 | SMiLeaf | lots of other distros split up KDE also. |
| 19:11.09 | serishema | I actually wanted to run solaris and have a look at the kde-solaris project but i couldn't get it to work. |
| 19:11.15 | Shirakawasuna | my kde has just what I need :) |
| 19:11.21 | PhilRod | alsuren: so it's really from a "distro-agnostic support person" POV that it annoys me - perhaps it's wonderful and life changing to use :-) |
| 19:11.32 | alsuren | show of hands what we're all using please? |
| 19:11.39 | Reptile | I started with Debian but that was just too difficult to me; my personal hard disk is already a bit worn out |
| 19:11.59 | serishema | kbuntu linux on my laptop and opensolaris on my other box. |
| 19:12.02 | SMiLeaf | <--- Gentoo and Custom LFS setup :) |
| 19:12.22 | PhilRod | alsuren: and that many gentoo users seem to have forgotten that the usual word for "getting software that previously wasn't on my computer to now be on my computer" is "install" |
| 19:12.32 | Shirakawasuna | Gentoo |
| 19:12.35 | PhilRod | but that's hardly a technological problem |
| 19:13.22 | Shirakawasuna | I think any criticisms of the gentoo community can be easily countered by all of the free support they give each other :) |
| 19:13.30 | Shirakawasuna | 'omg the cflags!' |
| 19:13.36 | alsuren | PhilRod: what're you currently running? |
| 19:14.06 | Shirakawasuna | I've been thinking of trying out debian testing, though |
| 19:14.12 | PhilRod | alsuren: freebsd - nice system in many ways. Not really quite there for desktop use, I'd have to say |
| 19:14.15 | Shirakawasuna | when I get my new super-sweet box |
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| 19:14.59 | alsuren | Shirakawasuna: I have an AMD64 box at uni, but I'm making sure to keep my cflags compatible with the old p3 under the stairs just in case I get bored of debian as a server platform |
| 19:15.07 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: yeah, I'll give you that - almost anytime a gentoo user comes in here moaning about emerging their CFLAGS or something, they get help from another gentoo user |
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| 19:15.30 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: and the gentoo wiki seems pretty good (I point non-gentoo users to it sometimes) |
| 19:15.31 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 19:15.35 | Shirakawasuna | I always make them strip their CFLAGS down :) |
| 19:15.57 | Shirakawasuna | the forums and #gentoo are the best...the official docs are quite good, too |
| 19:16.09 | Shirakawasuna | I've been in #debian...it's....different |
| 19:16.14 | benJIman | PhilRod: pity they can't help in their own channel |
| 19:16.24 | Shirakawasuna | alsuren: what's wrong with that? |
| 19:16.37 | Shirakawasuna | I bet you still have less stuff enabled than most other distros :) |
| 19:16.57 | SMiLeaf | alsuren: don't we all? :) |
| 19:17.01 | alsuren | you say that, but try getting zeroconf working in kde in FC5 |
| 19:17.13 | Reptile | what is then difference with the different distros in practical every day life ? |
| 19:17.24 | PhilRod | what *does* amuse me is the way that the gentoo developers play into the stereotype: the ebuilds (or whatever they're called) for a new kde version are always put in the tree a day or two before the new kde is released, so those hungry users needn't wait an unnecessary second to get the latest version |
| 19:17.36 | alsuren | in fact, try getting my FC5 install on this laptop to stay up for more than an hour without finding a nice little infinite loop to sit in |
| 19:17.38 | Shirakawasuna | FC sounds horrible from all the problems I've heard about....and none of the benefits :) |
| 19:17.55 | Shirakawasuna | I've heard it's cotrolled by Red Hat, too |
| 19:18.02 | PhilRod | Reptile: really it's philosophy |
| 19:18.13 | serishema | our computer science department has fredora core boxes. |
| 19:18.16 | serishema | i don't like them. |
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| 19:18.24 | serishema | They shouldn't have got rid of their sun ultra 10s |
| 19:18.40 | Shirakawasuna | PhilRod: yeah but if they're hard masked they're not supported - might be a good thing for you to remember :) |
| 19:18.42 | PhilRod | Reptile: I mean, we can discuss and debate the ins and outs of technology choices all day (as you can no doubt see), but it comes down to which has a philosophy you like |
| 19:18.46 | alsuren | my friend swears by fedora |
| 19:18.56 | Shirakawasuna | PhilRod: you can flat-out high-and-mighty-style tell them that you won't help |
| 19:18.59 | Reptile | "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one" (Dirty Harry |
| 19:19.13 | SMiLeaf | thats a great quote :D |
| 19:19.18 | Shirakawasuna | I'm open to new distros :) |
| 19:19.18 | Reptile | right ? |
| 19:19.58 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: heh, you obviously haven't been around when I'm here and a gentoo user comes asking for help then :-) |
| 19:19.58 | PhilRod | Reptile: ...and some stink more than others |
| 19:19.58 | SMiLeaf | Shirakawasuna: what about ones that use a package manager in development? :) |
| 19:19.58 | serishema | i just like thinkgs to work most of the time. |
| 19:19.59 | alsuren | and it is *quite* nice to administer, (YUM is like a cross between emerge and apt-get) as long as you don't want anything special |
| 19:19.59 | Reptile | lol |
| 19:20.05 | Shirakawasuna | SMiLeaf: hehe, I could try out your distro/package manager (when I get my new box) |
| 19:20.18 | Shirakawasuna | SMiLeaf: it seems quite cool |
| 19:20.31 | SMiLeaf | http://sai.smileaf.org/wiki/sai.conf#CFLAGS <--- Mmm.. Warnings are fun :D |
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| 19:20.40 | linuxfx | ok |
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| 19:21.38 | Shirakawasuna | Reptile: anyways I think gentoo's good to start with simply because it emerses you right from the beginning |
| 19:21.39 | PhilRod | Reptile: eg, debian has a strong free software ethic and demands a lot of its packagers, gentoo always has the latest versions of everything, RH has a big company behind it, etc. So if one of those floats your boat, go for it |
| 19:21.50 | alsuren | (in that it's as slow as portage, and still has the limitations of a binary distro like apt) |
| 19:21.52 | Shirakawasuna | Reptile: if you just want a quick desktop it's not the best choice |
| 19:22.00 | Shirakawasuna | Reptile: in that case I'd recommend ubuntu |
| 19:22.00 | linuxfx | what is the sheel launched by kde to End Current Session |
| 19:22.01 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: look, now you're even typing "immerse" like "emerge" |
| 19:22.02 | linuxfx | what is the sheel launched by kde to End Current Session |
| 19:22.08 | linuxfx | shell |
| 19:22.10 | Shirakawasuna | haha |
| 19:22.16 | Shirakawasuna | I'm usually a grammar nazi, too :) |
| 19:22.31 | Reptile | no good words for SuSe |
| 19:22.39 | PhilRod | linuxfx: if you mean "how can I log out from the command line?" see dcop |
| 19:22.46 | Shirakawasuna | no, I didn't like SUSE when I used it |
| 19:22.56 | PhilRod | Reptile: haven't used it for years, I can't remember its philosophy :-) |
| 19:23.10 | linuxfx | wow |
| 19:23.13 | linuxfx | I mean it |
| 19:23.15 | serishema | kubuntu if i want it to work quickly, freebsd for general development use and open solaris if i want to refamilarise myself with kernel level programming (my pc lies about the number of pci busses so i'm going to have to modify the code so it doesn't crash all the time) |
| 19:23.16 | linuxfx | :) |
| 19:23.17 | PhilRod | it's quite integrated - there's yast which does 'most anything |
| 19:23.18 | Shirakawasuna | I think it's philosophy involves powerful gui tools |
| 19:23.19 | linuxfx | how to do ? |
| 19:23.26 | linuxfx | no I dont mean it |
| 19:23.36 | linuxfx | I want to know what script kde launches to do that |
| 19:23.43 | linuxfx | I want to know it |
| 19:23.49 | PhilRod | it doesn't launch a script - it talks to kdesktop |
| 19:23.55 | PhilRod | or something like that |
| 19:24.03 | alsuren | suse is only worth having if you don't feel like learning linux, and you have a large company paying the thousands of pounds you need for commercial support |
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| 19:24.12 | Shirakawasuna | linuxfx: go to sleep, stupid |
| 19:24.25 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: it's a dcop call to kdesktop. |
| 19:24.28 | Reptile | openSuSe ? |
| 19:24.34 | linuxfx | hey |
| 19:24.36 | serishema | linuxfx: far out awake for 5 days!? what are you on? |
| 19:24.38 | linuxfx | how do u do |
| 19:24.46 | linuxfx | lol |
| 19:24.48 | linuxfx | job |
| 19:24.52 | linuxfx | job demo :) |
| 19:24.53 | benJIman | alsuren: please don't spread lies |
| 19:25.00 | PhilRod | Reptile: based on SuSE, so I suppose it's much the same |
| 19:25.11 | benJIman | it's not based on suse |
| 19:25.13 | benJIman | it is suse |
| 19:25.15 | PhilRod | (again, never used it - making assumptions based on reputation) |
| 19:25.25 | Shirakawasuna | so does anyone recommend that I don't use debian? (as opposed to anything else) |
| 19:25.26 | alsuren | benJIman: what did I say? |
| 19:25.27 | PhilRod | oh, false assumtions it seems |
| 19:25.30 | SMiLeaf | or maybe not. |
| 19:25.42 | Shirakawasuna | I'd like something gentoo-like but without compiling, just to see what instant gratification is like :) |
| 19:25.51 | linuxfx | I wanted to make logoff faster :) |
| 19:25.59 | benJIman | "20:24 < alsuren> suse is only worth having if you don't feel like learning linux, and you have a large company paying the thousands of pounds you need for commercial support |
| 19:26.00 | serishema | substituting caffine/cocaine/amphetamines for sleep can only last so long |
| 19:26.02 | linuxfx | with a simple "killall startkde" |
| 19:26.03 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: gentoo-like in what way? |
| 19:26.09 | Reptile | yes i guess that in Suse is included what has been developed for OpenSuse |
| 19:26.26 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: FreeBSD ports is very similar to portage, AFAIK, but also provides binaries |
| 19:26.28 | Reptile | so kind of a Corporate exploitation |
| 19:26.49 | PhilRod | linuxfx: you'll break something, I promise |
| 19:26.50 | benJIman | alsuren: a) boxed set comes with insatllation support anyway, b) year's support subscription is only £50 or something, c) without support it's excellent anyway |
| 19:26.53 | Shirakawasuna | PhilRod: excellent package manager (apt), still linux, somewhat straightforward/powerful tools for managing your desktop |
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| 19:27.10 | Shirakawasuna | PhilRod: the ability to maintain your computer without using liveCDs every 6 months/1 year |
| 19:27.11 | PhilRod | linuxfx: but if you don't care about breaking things, hit Ctrl+Alt+BkSp, or heck, just hit the power button |
| 19:27.12 | linuxfx | shira,xpde sucks |
| 19:27.19 | Shirakawasuna | linuxfx: I'll bet :) |
| 19:27.22 | linuxfx | It freezed again after I compiled it :( |
| 19:27.28 | alsuren | alright, so I installed suse on a n00b's computer once, and I was then left supporting all the things that it was missing. Never again! |
| 19:27.37 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: kdesktop.KDesktopiface.logout() |
| 19:27.39 | Shirakawasuna | linuxfx: it's 2 years old and no one liked it then, either |
| 19:27.40 | benJIman | alsuren: it has larger package repository than most distros |
| 19:27.49 | linuxfx | noooo |
| 19:27.50 | alsuren | but lots of large companies do give good support to suse |
| 19:27.51 | benJIman | alsuren: if you only use the install media as package source then you will be missing things obviously |
| 19:28.02 | PhilRod | lol, Shirakawasuna did you get your $200? |
| 19:28.09 | Shirakawasuna | hehe, no :) |
| 19:28.11 | Shirakawasuna | I didn't ask for it ;) |
| 19:28.18 | benJIman | alsuren: there are few distros with bigger package repositories than suse, there are over 22,000 /officially supported/ packages plus thousands of non-officially supported |
| 19:28.32 | linuxfx | I wonder if the button called End Current Session is calling a /* shell file |
| 19:28.35 | Shirakawasuna | check out what I would buy with ~$200: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=MB-BA21093 |
| 19:28.36 | linuxfx | catch me ? |
| 19:28.41 | Shirakawasuna | my head asplode |
| 19:28.56 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: no.. |
| 19:29.16 | Shirakawasuna | PhilRod: do you know how easy it is to maintain a debian testing computer? |
| 19:29.35 | alsuren | benJIman: the official repos for suse left lots of stuff out, and I couldn't find *any* repos that would let my user play DVDs and WMV movies(can't remember which one, but we had trouble and ended up going from source |
| 19:29.39 | SMiLeaf | if I recall correctly there is actually a DCOP call for that. |
| 19:29.47 | linuxfx | yes |
| 19:29.55 | alsuren | I really need to go for dinner. right when there's some interesting things being said |
| 19:29.59 | serishema | downloading sparc binaries by mistake |
| 19:30.02 | benJIman | alsuren: well packman packages the illegal stuff, except for libdvdcss which is illegal in all of the US and all of europe |
| 19:30.03 | serishema | that's gonna work real well |
| 19:30.14 | linuxfx | but I want to change the behavior of the cueent kde End Current Session button without compiling the whole kdebase |
| 19:30.18 | linuxfx | do you catchb me now ? |
| 19:30.20 | Reptile | well at least I got the conversation going. Gotta go cua |
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| 19:30.29 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: to what? |
| 19:30.56 | linuxfx | So I wondered if a shell script was called ,that way I would change it |
| 19:31.24 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 19:31.27 | serishema | i'm glad i have a testing box to play on. Compiling kde for solaris is going to take about 3 days :/ |
| 19:31.42 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: what would you need to change? |
| 19:31.48 | Shirakawasuna | so, someone should donate ~$300 so I can get a new desktop |
| 19:31.58 | linuxfx | I wanted to make logoff faster :) |
| 19:32.03 | linuxfx | with ... |
| 19:32.09 | linuxfx | killall startkde |
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| 19:32.30 | serishema | linuxfx: wouldn't make mess up ~/.kde ? |
| 19:32.38 | PhilRod | Shirakawasuna: no idea sorry, I've never used debian |
| 19:32.52 | Shirakawasuna | hrm |
| 19:33.31 | serishema | you know you're a geek when you're prepared to write drivers to get your favorite os to work on your hardware :-) |
| 19:33.42 | linuxfx | lol |
| 19:33.43 | PhilRod | linuxfx: there's just no way we're going to help you break your installation |
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| 19:34.21 | linuxfx | and also when you compile your kernel by adding easteregg |
| 19:34.22 | linuxfx | :) |
| 19:34.33 | linuxfx | geeky |
| 19:35.02 | linuxfx | so |
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| 19:35.06 | Blissex | serishema: you know you are a Linus style geek when you are prepeared to write kernels to get your favourite hardware to work :-) |
| 19:35.21 | linuxfx | lol |
| 19:35.25 | linuxfx | that one is great |
| 19:36.42 | linuxfx | you are also a great geek when you repalce all your computer system by emacs :) |
| 19:37.15 | PhilRod | no, you're RMS ... |
| 19:37.39 | linuxfx | lol |
| 19:37.45 | serishema | lol @ blissex |
| 19:37.57 | SMiLeaf | you know your not a geek when you can't write drivers, never used emacs and don't know what RMS is :) |
| 19:38.25 | serishema | my drivers are usually unstable and need people smarter than me to fix them |
| 19:38.48 | linuxfx | what if dell sold computers with kernel,drivers and frame buffer, waitng to be compiled before using computer |
| 19:38.50 | Blissex | RMS' defaults are often a bit strange. My '.emacs' is loooong as a result. |
| 19:38.58 | linuxfx | it would be funny :) |
| 19:39.30 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: you turn on the computer: "What is all this text flashing by???.." |
| 19:39.40 | linuxfx | lol |
| 19:40.00 | linuxfx | I would like to see windows users with that |
| 19:40.03 | linuxfx | :) |
| 19:40.47 | linuxfx | they would immediately call dell to say that the computer is broken :) |
| 19:41.02 | SMiLeaf | I would love to see a bootsplash animation where the windows boot-up screen was getting distroyed :D |
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| 19:41.20 | linuxfx | "hey dell,your computer is defectious,I want another one ;( " |
| 19:41.41 | serishema | linuxfx: there is actually an undocumented ntldr option that makes lots of debug text flash by when windows is booting |
| 19:41.45 | serishema | i used to have that on my windows boxes |
| 19:43.07 | linuxfx | there is Mike Jordan's Dunk hidden somewhere in the ntldr boot :) |
| 19:43.42 | PhilRod | Blissex: RMS a bit strange? Surely not! ;-) |
| 19:43.47 | serishema | who's mike jordan? |
| 19:44.05 | linuxfx | mike dunks over system stability,driver availability and root space :) |
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| 19:45.31 | RIsa | so if install kdelibs3 |
| 19:45.44 | RIsa | I can install KOffice on platforms other than KDE? |
| 19:46.18 | serishema | i think so, i vaugely remeber doing that |
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| 19:46.33 | serishema | just need qtand the base kde libs |
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| 19:48.03 | kendrick | huh. kde device manager tells me to make sure hald is running. how do i start it? i see nothing in /etc/init.d/ called "hal*..." |
| 19:48.14 | benJIman | kendrick: what distro? |
| 19:48.20 | kendrick | i have hal, hal-device-manager, kde-hal-device-manager and some libhal stuff installed |
| 19:48.23 | kendrick | benJIman: kubuntu |
| 19:48.29 | linuxfx | do you know a girl that using linx ? |
| 19:48.46 | benJIman | here I have /etc/init.d/haldaemon but this is suse |
| 19:48.53 | kendrick | my wife... our friend marianne... our friend emily... our friend daphne... |
| 19:48.55 | linuxfx | lol |
| 19:49.11 | PhilRod | RIsa: yes, just install the required dependencies and you can run koffice in gnome, windowmaker, fvwm, whatever you like |
| 19:49.16 | benJIman | kendrick: also see if there's a /usr/sbin/hald or something, best to ask in kubuntu channel probably |
| 19:49.24 | kendrick | canllaith and annma and others here in #kde |
| 19:49.25 | PhilRod | linuxfx: choose your words carefully |
| 19:49.42 | kendrick | PhilRod: seriously |
| 19:50.04 | SMiLeaf | linuxfx: kword |
| 19:50.05 | kendrick | benJIman: thanks. hrm, i wonder how to get that to start at boot...? |
| 19:50.25 | linuxfx | :) |
| 19:50.59 | kendrick | hrm, i'm also not sure it's what i need. |
| 19:51.27 | kendrick | i've got a zaurus sync cradle and a CF card reader, and i'd like to mount them |
| 19:51.57 | kendrick | in fact, i did a manual "mount /dev/sda1/" (since there's an fstab entry for it that i guess i added). but system:/media in konq doesn't show this mounted drive. |
| 19:52.31 | kendrick | once upon a time, i had this all set up nicely with udev, but then i switched from Debian/Breaksoften ... err, I mean: Debian/Unstable... to Kubutnu |
| 19:52.43 | kendrick | is there some kind of nice GUI tool for managing the udev magic? :) |
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| 19:54.38 | linuxfx | ahh bill gates is goldy :) |
| 19:55.27 | Shirakawasuna | hrm, I'm going to try debian testing with my next box |
| 19:56.39 | linuxfx | actually,we should not insult hate him,but we should spit on ms engineers face,they do the job,bill is not even capable of doing a graphical file copier on windows :) |
| 19:56.40 | kendrick | oh hey, Disks & Filesystems in system settings seems pretty useful |
| 19:57.07 | kendrick | i mean... MS _does_ suck, but... ;) |
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| 19:57.36 | Shirakawasuna | haha, ms sucks |
| 19:57.41 | Shirakawasuna | hahaha, that joke never gets old |
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| 19:58.25 | linuxfx | lol |
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| 20:02.25 | MinceR | except it isn't a joke |
| 20:02.33 | kendrick | heh |
| 20:03.49 | kendrick | now that i have to run XP now and then when i'm at home (which lately is always, since my wife is on bedrest, so i'm working from home) |
| 20:03.55 | alsuren | linuxfx: I expect you'll find that the reason Sir Gates is so successful is that he has enough skills to be able to know that's feasable |
| 20:04.06 | alsuren | *what's feasable |
| 20:04.23 | kendrick | ... i realize that i should have many more devices connected to the always-up server, and not on his sometimes-in-windows deskto |
| 20:05.06 | linuxfx | you said whaqt ? |
| 20:05.15 | linuxfx | skills to do what ? |
| 20:05.44 | kendrick | grr... come on. notice the USB external drive. damnit! |
| 20:06.22 | alsuren | kendrick: kubuntu is normally quite good at media detection |
| 20:06.32 | kendrick | yeah |
| 20:06.40 | kendrick | kubuntu SUCKS as a CUPS server, though |
| 20:06.42 | linuxfx | al,tell me,your not drunk ? |
| 20:06.48 | alsuren | I seriously recommend asking in the kubuntu forums or channel right now |
| 20:06.51 | kendrick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.07 | kendrick | alsuren: yeah, it's not even a *buntu issue, it's a linux or debian issue :) |
| 20:07.29 | kendrick | but both buntus SUCK as CUPS servers, _unless_ you also run it as a desktop (with gnome or kde). grr .:^( |
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| 20:07.54 | alsuren | sorry. I thought you had a kubuntu server |
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| 20:09.17 | stoned | ubuntu sucks |
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| 20:09.22 | stoned | debian is good |
| 20:09.23 | kendrick | oh, i do. but i'm not running kde on it, so really it's just a gnome- and kde-less ubuntu box, installed off of a kubuntu disk |
| 20:09.26 | linuxfx | lol |
| 20:09.30 | linuxfx | it uscks yes :) |
| 20:09.32 | kendrick | stoned: i got sick of crap breaking every other time i upgraded |
| 20:09.41 | stoned | kendrick, in debian? |
| 20:09.41 | linuxfx | tell me |
| 20:09.48 | kendrick | stoned: yeah... unstable ;) |
| 20:09.52 | linuxfx | why is this distro so beloved ? |
| 20:09.53 | stoned | kendrick, are you a developer? |
| 20:09.54 | kendrick | so, i was asking for it |
| 20:10.07 | kendrick | stoned: be more specific ;) |
| 20:10.20 | stoned | if you can't fix a broken sid box, you shouldn't be running sid |
| 20:10.21 | alsuren | it *is* an ubuntu issue if you can't plug in a USB pen drive and get it working, because ubuntu is *supposed* to work out of the box, so ASK IN THEIR FORUMS |
| 20:10.28 | kendrick | stoned: yes, i learned that :) |
| 20:10.41 | stoned | I've been running sid on this box for 3 years |
| 20:11.43 | MinceR | ubuntu > debian |
| 20:11.47 | MinceR | regular updates frw |
| 20:11.52 | MinceR | s/fr/ft/ |
| 20:12.01 | MinceR | lol |
| 20:12.02 | kendrick | stoned: anyway, i do develop software. i am not a 'debian developer', though. |
| 20:12.09 | linuxfx | windows 95 > mdk + ubu + redhat + fc |
| 20:12.13 | kendrick | (i.e., i write C, i don't package debs ;) ) |
| 20:12.13 | MinceR | that's a cool bot :) |
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| 20:13.28 | pinotree | j/k |
| 20:13.35 | alsuren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.56 | stoned | as the famous nike slogan goes, "Just Do It" |
| 20:17.57 | stoned | :D |
| 20:18.06 | stoned | lol, counter poke |
| 20:18.14 | pinotree | ;) |
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| 20:18.41 | linuxfx | how do hackers connect to others computers ? |
| 20:18.47 | linuxfx | do you know how to ? $ |
| 20:18.56 | stoned | ignorance is bliss |
| 20:18.58 | MinceR | i guess they usually use tcp |
| 20:19.07 | MinceR | :> |
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| 20:19.11 | kendrick | MinceR: hahahhaha |
| 20:19.16 | kendrick | i usually use an ax |
| 20:19.19 | kendrick | the perfect 'hacking' tool |
| 20:19.22 | MinceR | a register? |
| 20:19.24 | stoned | I've got a sword |
| 20:19.25 | MinceR | :> |
| 20:19.27 | kendrick | it can also turn a wired network into a 'wireless' one |
| 20:19.27 | stoned | I bought it on ebay |
| 20:19.34 | MinceR | i prefer eax to ax |
| 20:19.41 | stoned | they have a windows channel on freenode? |
| 20:19.45 | stoned | what the fuck is going on? |
| 20:20.00 | linuxfx | ah |
| 20:20.03 | linuxfx | assembly ? |
| 20:20.05 | MinceR | maybe somebody believes windoze is a peer-directed project |
| 20:20.10 | stoned | lol |
| 20:20.35 | linuxfx | so tehy use flaws in tcpip stacks ? |
| 20:20.48 | MinceR | not necessarily |
| 20:22.34 | stoned | dude |
| 20:22.53 | stoned | linuxfx, HOW THE FUCK is this related to KDE? |
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| 20:23.20 | linuxfx | is there a kde anti spyware tool ? |
| 20:23.24 | stoned | linuxfx, have you no self respect? |
| 20:23.30 | mrabbit | I get kdeinit: fatal IO error: client killed |
| 20:23.32 | stoned | you're making yourself look like an idiot |
| 20:23.35 | mrabbit | when i logout with kmenu |
| 20:23.55 | mrabbit | i just updated all the smart channels - do i need to do anything else? |
| 20:23.55 | linuxfx | I would like to know how all those work |
| 20:24.24 | linuxfx | but it seems minceR has no ieda how to |
| 20:24.26 | linuxfx | idea |
| 20:24.29 | stoned | linuxfx, use a search engine such as google and start searching for technical manuals and RFC documents and other sources |
| 20:24.45 | linuxfx | thanks stone |
| 20:24.50 | stoned | stoned |
| 20:24.51 | linuxfx | you are humble |
| 20:25.25 | linuxfx | not like minceR |
| 20:25.33 | stoned | linuxfx, please stop attacking others |
| 20:25.56 | stoned | linuxfx, if you have anything KDE related, we'd be glad to help you, otherwise, direct your other chatter elsewhere |
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| 20:26.58 | stoned | linuxfx, allow me to give a few guidelines on how to ask good questions |
| 20:26.59 | stoned | ~ask |
| 20:27.00 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 20:27.10 | stoned | keyword there is also on-topic |
| 20:27.37 | nuggz | in konqueror does anyone know how to get ctrl-pgup/pgdn to switch between tabs? |
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| 20:28.35 | stoned | nuggz, go to konqueror, settings, configure shortcuts |
| 20:28.35 | MinceR | linuxfx: it's not my fault you don't know anything about "hacking" |
| 20:28.42 | linuxfx | is there a kde anti spyware tool ? |
| 20:29.04 | stoned | nuggz, in the search box, type tab, and you will get all the different tab keyboard shotcut options, you can customize them there |
| 20:29.05 | rdale_ | spyware doesn't work on kde |
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| 20:30.31 | linuxfx | lol |
| 20:30.37 | linuxfx | sure ? |
| 20:30.43 | rdale_ | yes |
| 20:31.05 | nuggz | I only see the address bar, no search box ; the shortcuts worked though |
| 20:31.05 | rdale_ | spyware only works on highly defective software systems |
| 20:31.11 | stoned | 99.99999% of spyware are active X controls, vbscripts, or 32bit windows binaries |
| 20:31.26 | rdale_ | active X is a highly defictive software system |
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| 20:31.46 | linuxfx | there is a website |
| 20:32.15 | nuggz | stoned: thanks for the help |
| 20:32.17 | linuxfx | www.freeserials.com |
| 20:32.21 | stoned | nuggz, open a konqeuror window, go to the menubar, settings menu, and then select the menu option Configure Shortcuts |
| 20:32.23 | stoned | nm |
| 20:32.29 | linuxfx | their spyware works |
| 20:33.11 | rdale_ | well, I tried but i get 'unknown host' |
| 20:33.27 | linuxfx | wooooot |
| 20:33.40 | linuxfx | www.freeserials.com |
| 20:33.55 | linuxfx | it will break your kde desktop |
| 20:34.00 | linuxfx | wityh spyware |
| 20:34.02 | MinceR | didn't break mine |
| 20:34.49 | rdale_ | I understand my desktop because it's free software, and I know that spyware can't be installed without my knowledge |
| 20:34.56 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kadblock.txt I have compiled a VERY HUGE regex/host adblock list for Konqueror. Please look and see if it can posisbly be distrubed WITH KDE |
| 20:35.00 | linuxfx | lol |
| 20:35.14 | linuxfx | what you know about rootkits ? |
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| 20:36.01 | stoned | or if you guys want to use it, feel free |
| 20:36.04 | kendrick | i am beginning to think this server's USB is borked |
| 20:36.06 | Frederick | hi folks does anyone here ever used imagemagick? |
| 20:36.19 | Frederick | oh to be specyfic the C API |
| 20:36.23 | stoned | it blocks pretty much about 99.99$ of ads/banners/popups |
| 20:36.27 | pinotree | Frederick: this is #kde |
| 20:36.35 | stoned | s/$/% |
| 20:36.41 | rdale_ | they don't work on linux |
| 20:36.41 | rdale_ | they only work on highly defective software systems |
| 20:36.42 | Frederick | pinotree, I know I'm having a hard time to link it on kdevelop |
| 20:36.52 | pinotree | and, more generally, an user channel... |
| 20:37.25 | Frederick | pinotree, yuo you use kdevelop so I think most people here are programmers so maybe someone have already used this api :) |
| 20:37.28 | rr73 | an user? is taht proper grammer? i hate english grammer |
| 20:37.36 | rr73 | should be but doesnt sound right |
| 20:37.46 | stoned | u is a vowel |
| 20:37.50 | stoned | an is required |
| 20:37.59 | rr73 | does it sound right? |
| 20:38.00 | stoned | it does not hold an exception in proper english grammar |
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| 20:38.01 | rr73 | not really |
| 20:38.03 | pinotree | Frederick: most of users here are just users, and i don't use kdevelop |
| 20:38.10 | stoned | proper english usually doesn't sound 'right' |
| 20:38.17 | rr73 | so true |
| 20:38.21 | Frederick | pinotree, ops sorry I'm on kde not kdevelop :P |
| 20:38.24 | linuxfx | sometimes gimp looks like a vaporware |
| 20:38.29 | Frederick | sorry sorry >( |
| 20:38.46 | linuxfx | using kolourpaint is better |
| 20:39.01 | linuxfx | kolourpaint.sourceforge.net |
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| 20:39.43 | kendrick | *sigh* i guess this usb external drive is dead |
| 20:39.48 | tambu | Hey guys, probably an obvious question but I'm trying to find a way to set KDE to auto-copy text that i've selected. I've dug through kontrol panel to no luck. |
| 20:39.57 | kendrick | at least linux works right ;) |
| 20:40.18 | stoned | tambu, whenever you select text it gets copied into a buffer |
| 20:40.32 | stoned | tambu, you can then use middle click to paste the selected text anywhere |
| 20:41.09 | stoned | tambu, this buffer is not the same as the regular copy/paste buffer using right click copy/paste or keyboard shortcut copy/paste |
| 20:41.16 | tambu | hrm.. it works in konsole but not other apps.. trying to copy text from konqueror and paste to konsole |
| 20:41.37 | alsuren | tambu: take a look in the configuration options of kicker |
| 20:41.38 | stoned | it works here |
| 20:41.56 | tambu | ... ok your not going to believe this.. but its started working.. what the heck.. |
| 20:42.04 | alsuren | (should be an icon in systray, called klipper, sorry. not kicker. my bad) |
| 20:42.11 | tambu | ... oh well user error sorry guys. |
| 20:42.17 | stoned | no problem |
| 20:42.28 | tambu | I was messing in klipper trying to find the option perhaps something I did made it refresh.. thanks |
| 20:42.39 | stoned | its not a klipper issue |
| 20:43.55 | stoned | "stoned" |
| 20:43.55 | stoned | ffs |
| 20:44.01 | tambu | stoned... oooh I feel dumb.. I was assuming right click would paste like in putty :P sorry guys you said middle click and i subconciously started using it without noticing :) |
| 20:44.15 | stoned | tambu, it happens |
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| 20:44.45 | stoned | im gonna smoke a joint |
| 20:44.47 | kendrick | heh nice |
| 20:45.09 | stoned | mm |
| 20:45.12 | stoned | that does feel nice |
| 20:45.17 | stoned | time for some tunes |
| 20:45.18 | erudified | ahhh stoned me too man |
| 20:45.32 | serishema | haha.. marijuana is not an aid to concentration |
| 20:45.36 | erudified | 4pm, catching up a 9hr of sleep week |
| 20:45.42 | stoned | NP: Andy C. -|- Nightlife, Vol. 3 -|- " Black Hawk Down " -|- (Drum & Bass) -|- (rating: 10/52) |
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| 20:46.18 | kendrick | woah |
| 20:46.24 | kendrick | amarok noticed my USB CF card, too :) |
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| 20:47.15 | stoned | amarok kicks ass |
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| 20:47.46 | erudified | y'know I don't really like amarok, I'm an mplayer man |
| 20:48.00 | stoned | I've got 800+ cds |
| 20:48.07 | stoned | amarok works great for it |
| 20:48.13 | erudified | I use juk for ze tunes |
| 20:48.20 | stoned | for small shit I can probably understand mplayer |
| 20:48.25 | linuxfx | I prefer mocp |
| 20:48.33 | MinceR | i haven't found a decent player yet |
| 20:48.39 | linuxfx | try mocp |
| 20:48.41 | stoned | amarok is great man |
| 20:48.52 | stoned | Try QuodLibet/python + gtk though |
| 20:49.00 | erudified | stoned, amarok deals better with large music collections, eh? |
| 20:49.02 | linuxfx | mocp plus some shell scripts and you are done :) |
| 20:49.03 | stoned | its very nice, supports last.fm also and its kinda like amarok |
| 20:49.04 | MinceR | xmms used to be one but they started dumbing it down. now i'm using amarok but it's missing a lot of stuff, like setting up input plugins |
| 20:49.08 | stoned | erudified, yes |
| 20:49.20 | tambu | mpg123 :) |
| 20:49.20 | stoned | MinceR, slowly, it will get there |
| 20:49.21 | linuxfx | mocp plus some well tweaked shell scripts and you are done :) |
| 20:49.23 | erudified | I've only got like 30 CDs |
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| 20:49.55 | linuxfx | moc.daper.net |
| 20:49.56 | stoned | I've got 60+ days of consecutive music |
| 20:49.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:50.27 | stoned | I don't like juk because it doesn't have an eq |
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| 20:50.36 | erudified | ahh, yeah, I can see that |
| 20:50.53 | MinceR | i need xmms input plugin support though |
| 20:50.54 | linuxfx | you can try dev/snd too :) |
| 20:50.58 | alsuren | stoned: use an aRts equiliser then, if you *must* have one |
| 20:50.58 | linuxfx | it is a great player |
| 20:50.59 | stoned | I have like 50+ genres of music and for each I need a diff eq settings |
| 20:51.03 | stoned | fuck arts |
| 20:51.06 | stoned | no offence |
| 20:51.12 | stoned | alsa+dmix is the bomb |
| 20:51.21 | linuxfx | mocp + shell rocks |
| 20:51.24 | alsuren | that's what I use too |
| 20:51.33 | linuxfx | mocp ? |
| 20:51.39 | erudified | stoned, I find that a good pair of headphones largely offsets the need for custom eq settings |
| 20:51.50 | stoned | I've got a 7.1 system |
| 20:51.51 | stoned | :) |
| 20:51.54 | stoned | bose speakers |
| 20:52.20 | stoned | you can hear me all the way from the fucking street |
| 20:52.30 | stoned | security has asked me to party less, lol |
| 20:52.38 | linuxfx | linux sound architecture rocks more than DirectSound and all the soundkernel*.sys alikes in windows |
| 20:52.54 | alsuren | I find that the better your speaker quality, the more you need to take the crap out of your foolishly 128 encoded MP3s |
| 20:52.54 | linuxfx | I wonder why creative is not releasing drivers for XFI |
| 20:52.58 | linuxfx | it sucks |
| 20:53.07 | erudified | haha sweet, I've got a harmon kardon system in my car but it's got a blown speaker somewhere =( |
| 20:53.13 | erudified | pisses me off |
| 20:54.07 | KRF | when i startup kde, kded occupies my cpu at 50% and i am not able to start programs. what's wrong? |
| 20:55.52 | stoned | NP: Pantera -|- Cowboys From Hell -|- " primal concrete sledge " -|- (Thrash Metal) -|- (rating: 10/0) |
| 20:56.20 | erudified | Nirvana - Big Long Now =D |
| 20:56.20 | stoned | hehe, im not an mp3 spammer, but you never know, where you find metal heads, even in #kde |
| 20:57.11 | erudified | I've been rocking out to incubus - S.C.I.E.N.C.E lately |
| 20:57.15 | stoned | word |
| 20:57.23 | erudified | kinda rediscovered it |
| 20:57.34 | stoned | you wanna hear some of my shit? |
| 20:57.39 | erudified | sure |
| 20:58.01 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/hash.black.dawn.mp3 |
| 20:58.16 | stoned | I got 110k up |
| 20:58.19 | erudified | that's you? |
| 20:58.22 | stoned | yup |
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| 20:58.45 | erudified | nice |
| 20:58.52 | stoned | drums, bass, two guitars |
| 20:58.57 | erudified | I always wished I had some kind of musical talent |
| 20:58.59 | stoned | no vocals yet |
| 20:59.29 | erudified | good instrumentals are better than bands with half-assed vocals, so good call =P |
| 20:59.36 | stoned | :D |
| 20:59.36 | stoned | thanks |
| 20:59.50 | stoned | I admit, I can't sing |
| 21:00.21 | stoned | I actually suck at the drums |
| 21:00.28 | linuxfx | :) |
| 21:00.32 | stoned | not my main instrument, so nothing intricate, simple beats only |
| 21:00.42 | erudified | They just finished putting together a studio in the back of the office where I work, it's kinda cool |
| 21:00.55 | stoned | what kinda office/studio? |
| 21:01.33 | linuxfx | #kde-music |
| 21:01.54 | erudified | it's a pretty small studio, a small vocal booth, a fair sized room for a band, and a control room |
| 21:02.11 | stoned | you like classical shred guitar? |
| 21:02.16 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/sad.mp3 |
| 21:02.31 | linuxfx | lol |
| 21:02.41 | pinotree | *COUGHS* |
| 21:03.00 | stoned | i know i know, but there is no one needing kde support right now |
| 21:03.06 | erudified | I love slide guitarists |
| 21:03.13 | erudified | kinda acquired the taste from living in memphis |
| 21:03.22 | linuxfx | lol |
| 21:03.22 | stoned | erudified, check it out and tell me what you think, its classical indian raaga music, shred metal style |
| 21:03.31 | linuxfx | why dont you listen to good music ? |
| 21:03.37 | linuxfx | good basses |
| 21:03.43 | stoned | good is a subjective term |
| 21:03.47 | linuxfx | like IDRTY SOUTH :) |
| 21:03.52 | linuxfx | DIRTY SOUTH |
| 21:04.01 | linuxfx | Slim thug |
| 21:04.03 | linuxfx | Rick ross |
| 21:04.05 | linuxfx | paul wall |
| 21:04.12 | linuxfx | mike jones |
| 21:04.17 | linuxfx | excellent |
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| 21:04.36 | erudified | linuxfx, mostly because I can't go to my mailbox without hearing one of hte above at 800db =P |
| 21:04.46 | linuxfx | lol |
| 21:05.59 | stoned | erudified, its got 1 intro/theme, 3 movements, and each movement contains 3 variations of the main theme |
| 21:06.22 | stoned | its mostly post baroque, paganini style structure, but with classican indian melody/harmony |
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| 21:07.03 | erudified | I just started listening to hash black dawn |
| 21:07.08 | erudified | pretty cool =P |
| 21:07.12 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:09.27 | erudified | stoned, http://www.lioncrest.com/ that's the website for our studio (but that picture isn't actually of our studio rofl) |
| 21:10.52 | erudified | our video services kinda suck, we've got like a 20 foot green wall and a few nice cameras and that's it |
| 21:11.38 | erudified | sad.mp3 is wicked =D |
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| 21:14.45 | stoned | thanks |
| 21:15.40 | linuxfx | hey dudes what about wrestling those days ? |
| 21:15.58 | erudified | haha I like to get drunk and watch UFC sometimes |
| 21:16.11 | linuxfx | is triple H still dominating ? |
| 21:16.23 | linuxfx | so long I didnt watch it |
| 21:16.46 | linuxfx | sooo long |
| 21:16.56 | linuxfx | one year without wrestling for me :) |
| 21:17.00 | linuxfx | too much |
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| 21:18.53 | rr73 | whats the best and greatest client in your opinoins? |
| 21:19.54 | hydrogen | client for what? |
| 21:20.02 | rr73 | oops |
| 21:20.08 | rr73 | bittorrent cloien |
| 21:20.09 | rr73 | lol |
| 21:20.11 | rr73 | *client |
| 21:20.17 | hydrogen | telnet |
| 21:20.34 | rr73 | for bittorent? |
| 21:20.43 | hydrogen | yea |
| 21:21.07 | rr73 | Renze~ what do u use for bittorrent client? |
| 21:21.10 | erudified | honestly I'd have to say bitcomet |
| 21:21.16 | erudified | but, well... =( |
| 21:22.01 | serishema | I use azureus |
| 21:22.16 | serishema | poor performance when ram is in short supply though |
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| 21:38.35 | mngrif | ok, I just switched my desktop over from gnome to KDE, and I'm wondering how I can get my trash can back on the desktop |
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| 21:39.05 | alsuren | create a shortcut to trash:/ |
| 21:39.06 | Bearcat | hello all. I need a little help wiht an annoying problem. I had a custom throbber set up, but when i was removing themes i didn't use, it dissapeared. I have now put throbber back into ~/.kde/share/icons/hicolor and it still says as the default. Any ideas? |
| 21:39.31 | mngrif | alsuren: thanks! |
| 21:39.36 | pinotree | mngrif: open konqueror at the "system:/" location, then drag and drop on the desktop the thrash icon |
| 21:40.10 | mngrif | pinotree: oooh, it's not in system:/ |
| 21:40.13 | alsuren | mngrif: also, check out the trash kicker applet, if you have the space |
| 21:40.34 | pinotree | no? |
| 21:40.40 | mngrif | no, not there |
| 21:40.46 | pinotree | :S |
| 21:40.53 | alsuren | lot more useful than having it on the desktop anyway :D |
| 21:41.06 | mngrif | and dragging an dropping the trash mini-icon when at trash:/ just copies the files out of the trash to where i dropped it |
| 21:41.30 | mngrif | alsuren: i don't think so, the trash on my computer is just likethe trash in my house, it gets emptied when i run out of room :P |
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| 21:41.55 | xav | hi |
| 21:42.07 | alsuren | mngrif: just saying that it's in a useful place for drag and drop |
| 21:42.41 | Bearcat | mngrif: trash gnomes. Uh..did i say Gnomes? *ducks* i meant little kde dragons |
| 21:42.41 | xav | there is no interface for obex over irda? |
| 21:42.41 | linuxfx | why do people use gnome actually ? |
| 21:42.41 | xav | I spent hours searching for one without any success |
| 21:42.41 | mngrif | linuxfx: it's installed by default on ubuntu :\ |
| 21:43.08 | Bearcat | linuxfx: personal choice. I prefer kde overall, but i wish it was written in C instead of C++ |
| 21:43.26 | mngrif | xav: bluetooth and irda are both serial interfaces, IIRC... shouldn't be too hard to make protocols portable between them |
| 21:43.36 | mngrif | Bearcat: you and me both. |
| 21:43.48 | xav | mngrif: well, I hoped so |
| 21:44.05 | Bearcat | mngrif: i mean it takes 5 hours!! to make kdebindings and then it fails.. |
| 21:44.16 | xav | mngrif: I installed kde bluetooth package which appanrently allow obex:/ protocol in konquy |
| 21:44.38 | xav | mngrif: looking at the interface in kcontrol, and the code, it looks like it has some stuff for irda |
| 21:45.04 | mngrif | Bearcat: don't bitch, until last month my fastest machine was a P2-400.... you don't want to know how long it took to compile all of KDE |
| 21:45.19 | mngrif | xav: i dont' know anything about either of them.. |
| 21:45.25 | Bearcat | mngrif: well this is only a amd64 1800 with a gig of ram. |
| 21:45.29 | xav | mngrif: but it doesn't work. but well, it really looks like it is at a very very early stage |
| 21:45.51 | mngrif | xav: if you can read it, you can code it :P |
| 21:45.51 | xav | and I read some stuff on the web about kde bluetooth being dead |
| 21:46.08 | mngrif | i find that hard to believe |
| 21:46.22 | mngrif | and i really need to find out if this machine has bluetooth support |
| 21:46.23 | linuxfx | gnome does nothing :) |
| 21:46.25 | Bearcat | xav: it's not heavily developed, but it is still alive. I just saw a patch for a pin agent on friday |
| 21:46.39 | linuxfx | gnome apps seem workinprogress |
| 21:46.46 | linuxfx | always |
| 21:46.54 | xav | the fact that it's called kde bluetooth stores me a bit also |
| 21:46.56 | linuxfx | okay not the gimp,but all the others |
| 21:47.02 | xav | since the mobile is irda only |
| 21:47.38 | xav | and its shipped with a usb irda stuff |
| 21:47.55 | Bearcat | so..um..anyone know how to fix my throbber? |
| 21:48.16 | xav | it works fine using irda-utils, and obexftp, but obexftp is a pita to use |
| 21:48.19 | RockMan | @pong |
| 21:48.32 | RockMan | searching for developers for kdebluetooth.. if any, call me |
| 21:48.32 | xav | and I need a gui anyway, I can't believe there is none |
| 21:48.59 | xav | I'll start working on kdeirda |
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| 21:50.32 | bobbin | Please take a look at http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=spinboxes |
| 21:50.45 | bobbin | I use Kubuntu Edgy with KDE3.5.4 |
| 21:51.14 | bobbin | (to see the image you may need to log in.) |
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| 22:12.04 | kooox | hi |
| 22:12.04 | kooox | ive tried to install backtrack .. it writes and modifies the mbr so i cannot boot from windows anymore , ive refixed the mbr now with Windows but i cannot get a dual boot menu , it boots in windows only , how to ? |
| 22:12.51 | thiago | but to get your GRUB back, insert your rescue CD and tell it to reinstall the bootloader. |
| 22:13.01 | pinotree | hey thiago |
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| 22:14.03 | kooox | thiago http://www.remote-exploit.org ---> linux backtrack |
| 22:14.13 | kooox | based on slackware but much better |
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| 22:38.33 | fernando | Please, friends. Give a clue. When I upgraded my Suse 9.3 from kde3.4 to kde3.5.4, when I turn on the machine, kde starts doesn't play that initial sound similar to Windows XP. |
| 22:40.18 | TeaSea | fernando: mm |
| 22:40.30 | TeaSea | Where is 3.5.4 installed and where is 3.4 installed? |
| 22:40.51 | TeaSea | I'm not sure how SuSe is set up, but I reckon they put seperate KDE installations in different dirs. Hell I do. |
| 22:41.25 | benJIman | fernando: you updated using the build service packages? |
| 22:41.51 | TeaSea | fernando: Go into the setup for the sound notifications (Control Center, Sound & Multimedia, System Notifications) and make sure the location of the sound for startup actually exists. |
| 22:42.04 | benJIman | what I was about to suggest :) |
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| 22:55.22 | canllaith | Ah, that person left, so I can't boot him out. |
| 22:55.46 | pinotree | hello |
| 22:55.50 | canllaith | pinotree! :) |
| 22:55.54 | canllaith | How are you ? |
| 22:56.03 | pinotree | weah, fine! |
| 22:56.26 | pinotree | looking for someone in particular to kick? |
| 22:59.16 | canllaith | pinotree: yup |
| 22:59.17 | canllaith | 7:48 <linuxfx> do you know a girl that using linx ? |
| 22:59.18 | canllaith | 07:48 <linuxfx> lol |
| 22:59.18 | canllaith | 07:49 * linuxfx freaky ones ? |
| 22:59.20 | canllaith | That one =) |
| 23:00.09 | alsuren | most of us had /ignored him shortly after that point |
| 23:00.16 | canllaith | Wise :) |
| 23:00.26 | canllaith | I sort of take comments about girls kinda personally though =) |
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| 23:01.13 | canllaith | Hey my old phone sold. Awesome. Good timing too, I'm sort of poor this month. |
| 23:01.44 | canllaith | I had a 3120 but then got given a work phone |
| 23:01.53 | canllaith | and the work phone I don't pay the bill for so it trumps all phones! |
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| 23:04.11 | alsuren | when they do, there will be a load of kde hackers that are suddenly very poor |
| 23:04.21 | alsuren | it's gonna cost a bomb |
| 23:05.10 | XVampireX | $700 |
| 23:05.11 | canllaith | hurry up and build KDE, I'm stuck in Gnome until you do :( |
| 23:05.32 | XVampireX | But I heard the phone is going to be cheaper if you own a license to Qt already |
| 23:05.37 | XVampireX | or Qtopia |
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| 23:26.48 | robos | hi: how does kate edit remote files; does it use the fish protocol? |
| 23:27.33 | Sho_ | robos: Kate, as any KDE application, makes use of the KDE Input/Ouput (KIO) layer, which is modular and supports a number of protocols, such as ftp://, sftp://, fish://, smb://, dav:// and so on |
| 23:28.05 | Sho_ | robos: All of these protocols work in any KDE file dialog with an address bar |
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| 23:28.32 | robos | How well does the KIO layer work with Mac OSX? |
| 23:29.58 | Sho_ | robos: I'm not sure if I understand your question - if you're referring to running KDE applications on Mac OS X via e.g. Fink and X11.app, that works fine |
| 23:30.29 | robos | They work as expected; except kate doesn't open remote files |
| 23:30.51 | Sho_ | robos: Hm, I've got Kate on Tiger via Fink - works fine for me |
| 23:31.02 | robos | even opening remote files? |
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| 23:31.10 | Sho_ | robos: The person to ask for help might be RangerRick in #fink, who maintains KDE on Fink |
| 23:31.13 | Sho_ | robos: Yes |
| 23:31.19 | robos | awesome |
| 23:31.26 | robos | thanks Sho_ |
| 23:31.29 | Sho_ | np |
| 23:32.13 | robos | I'll take a stab at fixing it first |
| 23:32.21 | robos | It's encouraging that it should work |
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