irclog2html for #kde on 20060907

`00:00.05`	`hydrogen`	`only if you are connected to all sorts of servers :/`
`00:01.38`	`nom_s`	`well i am...? and what good is treeview if you're only in one server?`
`00:02.16`	`hydrogen`	`I'm not in only one`
`00:02.18`	`nom_s`	`stupid mouse-horny thinking`
`00:02.23`	`hydrogen`	`but i'm in multiple channels on one server`
`00:02.30`	`hydrogen`	`plus I just use alt_#`
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`00:04.11`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: the numers only go to 9`
`00:04.14`	`Q-collective`	`what was the KDE printer front again?`
`00:04.16`	`Q-collective`	`like gnome-cups-manager, but for kde`
`00:04.24`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: and this setup fucks upp the numbers if you get pms`
`00:05.00`	`hydrogen`	`goes to 10... and then use arrows... its the same as it would be on the top or bottom`
`00:05.02`	`hydrogen`	`except you have more room`
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`00:06.01`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: kprinter ?`
`00:06.23`	`stoned`	`hey`
`00:06.43`	`Renze`	`hey stoned`
`00:06.57`	`stoned`	`k3b is burning a dvd and making my system crawl, how do I renice without fucking up the burn process`
`00:06.59`	`AegeanLinux`	`hello stoned`
`00:07.02`	`stoned`	`hi guys`
`00:07.18`	`stoned`	`well, not how, but can I?`
`00:07.24`	`Renze`	`stoned: you might want to check if DMA is enabled for your burner`
`00:07.28`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: you have to change position with your arms if you are supposed to reach for the arrows, can be reallty disturbing during multiple conversations`
`00:07.32`	`stoned`	`how do I do that?`
`00:08.03`	`Renze`	`stoned: hdparm -d /dev/whatever`
`00:08.05`	`Renze`	`as root`
`00:08.07`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: rofl, I wouldn't want you to have to actually move your arms or anything while sitting at a computer... I realize how disturbing that can be`
`00:08.15`	`lgsobalvarro`	`stoned: please dont use that works like "fuck" and that things`
`00:08.19`	`stoned`	`can I do this while k3b is burning`
`00:08.23`	`Renze`	`stoned: to set it, use hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever`
`00:08.34`	`stoned`	`lgsobalvarro, does that bother you?`
`00:08.36`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: and you want the "static" windows to be on the same number all the time, which you can not...`
`00:08.39`	`Renze`	`stoned: yes, but you might not want to set it straight away`
`00:08.49`	`stoned`	`ok`
`00:08.51`	`stoned`	`got ya`
`00:09.06`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: and what does this have to do with tree view anyways?`
`00:09.08`	`lgsobalvarro`	`stoned: that words are inensesary`
`00:09.14`	`stoned`	`no they are not`
`00:09.28`	`stoned`	`because I do not know what inensesary means`
`00:09.46`	`stoned`	`you callin me names man?`
`00:09.52`	`stoned`	`name calling is bad mmkay`
`00:10.13`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: where are the tasks in kprinter?`
`00:10.17`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: The primary point of the treelist is to have a vertical alternative to the tab bar, at this point`
`00:10.47`	`stoned`	`Sho_, you are the man with the plan`
`00:10.52`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: oh, you want the print task window? kjobviewer`
`00:10.57`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: look, every time you get a pm, all windows "bellow" that pm is shifted one # so you can't just memorize alt + 3 as #kde and alt 4 as #friends etc`
`00:11.05`	`stoned`	`I would probably stop using other clients now, konv. is getting pretty badass`
`00:11.13`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: once again, what does that have to do with the treeview?`
`00:11.29`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: well the tabs could just be vertical... like in gtk`
`00:11.35`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: why are there two seperate apps forone task?`
`00:11.37`	`Q-collective`	`:\`
`00:11.41`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: and that doesn't fix anything you are complaining about`
`00:11.41`	`stoned`	`only thing I can think of now which would make it complete for me, are the right aligned nick devider line, like in xchat or something of the sort perhaps`
`00:11.45`	`hydrogen`	`it just makes it look worse`
`00:11.49`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: well, you must have forgotten to send in that patch`
`00:11.50`	`Q-collective`	`s/forone/for one/`
`00:11.54`	`stoned`	`or configurable text themes, if they are already configurable, I dunno how to do it`
`00:11.58`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: the treeview sorts the channels and the pms by the server`
`00:12.03`	`hydrogen`	`uhhuh`
`00:12.06`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: so does the tab ba`
`00:12.07`	`Sho_`	`*bar`
`00:12.07`	`hydrogen`	`as does the topview`
`00:12.16`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: I have no idea`
`00:12.49`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: my printer has apperently stopped accepting tasks, how do I switch this mode on again?`
`00:13.10`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: you're talking to a guy who doesn't own a functional printer :D`
`00:13.17`	`Q-collective`	`haha`
`00:13.20`	`Q-collective`	`ok :p`
`00:13.23`	`stoned`	`get a job`
`00:13.24`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: yes it does.. well im complaining about two things here, and this treeview is just a step in wrong direction, cause earlier you hade the alt + letter alternative`
`00:13.28`	`stoned`	`;)`
`00:13.36`	`Renze`	`ow!`
`00:13.46`	`Q-collective`	`that at least Just Works :>`
`00:13.46`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: How is an entirely optional feature a "step in the wrong direction"?`
`00:13.48`	`stoned`	`no no, soft poke, in your jiggly belly`
`00:13.53`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: is the panel in kcontrol not good enough?`
`00:13.54`	`stoned`	`:D`
`00:14.13`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: peripherals -> printer`
`00:14.14`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: you can configure switching between channels shortcut in settings`
`00:14.42`	`stoned`	`Sho_, are you planning on adding any sort of right aligned nicks or devider option?`
`00:14.52`	`Sho_`	`stoned: yes`
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`00:14.59`	`stoned`	`God bless you man`
`00:15.05`	`stoned`	`I'll smoke a bowl to that`
`00:15.31`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: i just want a left bar and an alt + letter switching, why can't i have both? this is just �$ logic!`
`00:15.43`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: you can have alt+letter switcihgn`
`00:15.50`	`hydrogen`	`and you have a left bar`
`00:15.55`	`hydrogen`	`the same way it would be in tabs`
`00:16.15`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: No, it's unfortunate reality. Getting the accelerators in the treelist items turned out to be technically not feasible at this time. I expect that will be remedied in a future version, probably the first one for KDE4.`
`00:16.18`	`stoned`	`hydrogen, in about 100 billion years estimated, you'll be completely burned away`
`00:16.36`	`stoned`	`hydrogen, without you, we'll be shrouded in cold darkness`
`00:17.12`	`stoned`	`yeah, that one makes you think do n't it`
`00:17.14`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: no i can not, try for your self`
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`00:17.43`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: why didn't you tell me that in the first place`
`00:17.44`	`Q-collective`	`:p`
`00:18.02`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: why didn't you ask the right question? :)`
`00:18.11`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: oh christ... so it's someting in qt you mean?`
`00:18.13`	`Q-collective`	`I did ask the right question`
`00:18.14`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: I just did`
`00:18.16`	`Q-collective`	`meh`
`00:18.26`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: please note I have no idea what gnome-print-manager does :D`
`00:18.30`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: what exactly do you mean by "alt + letter" switching`
`00:19.34`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: why not just kick kprinter and kjobviewer and put everything in kcontrol?`
`00:19.37`	`Q-collective`	`oh well`
`00:19.56`	`nom_s`	`hydrogen: when you have bottom tabs you see an underscored letter in each tab, those are used for letter browsing between tabs, very simple solution to the status tabs problem... ok?`
`00:20.05`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: because they all do completely different jobs? one is config, another is initiation, the third is monitoring/control`
`00:20.49`	`hydrogen`	`nom_s: you can remap the arrow keys if you don't want to move your hands.... thats what I am talking about`
`00:20.50`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: and they are all about the printer and should therefor be in one application`
`00:20.52`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: No, the specific difficulty is in getting ahold of the accelerators assigned to the tabs by the kdelibs accelerator manager to paint them into the treelist item labels`
`00:20.55`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: feel free to write a single app alternative, however :D`
`00:21.05`	`Q-collective`	`hehe`
`00:21.13`	`Q-collective`	`maybe I'll patch kcontrol ;p`
`00:21.32`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: so you want the kcontrol module to launch and dock into the system tray whenever you print? what a waste of resources`
`00:21.48`	`hydrogen`	`it wouldn't be a bad idea`
`00:22.19`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: yeah, kick the tray icon`
`00:22.25`	`Q-collective`	`it's useless`
`00:22.32`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: that's what kjobviewer does`
`00:22.37`	`Q-collective`	`yeah`
`00:22.38`	`Q-collective`	`I know`
`00:22.45`	`Renze`	`it's bloody useful`
`00:22.54`	`Q-collective`	`howso?`
`00:23.03`	`Q-collective`	`just open a window and be done with it`
`00:23.16`	`Renze`	`it lets people cancel print jobs without having to hunt through the kmenu to find the app to do it`
`00:23.33`	`Renze`	`I like my screen real estate to remain uncluttered, thanks`
`00:23.54`	`MinceR`	`that's what autohide is for :>`
`00:23.59`	`MinceR`	`when it actually works, that is.`
`00:24.03`	`Renze`	`waste of taskbar space`
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`00:24.18`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: strange... but can't you just make the tree view optional then and just draw vertical tabs with accelerators and everything?`
`00:24.21`	`Renze`	`the systray is there... may as well use it`
`00:24.22`	`Q-collective`	`waste of tray space`
`00:24.25`	`MinceR`	`taskbar != panel`
`00:24.35`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: rather that than desktop/taskbar`
`00:24.44`	`Q-collective`	`I disagree`
`00:24.46`	`Renze`	`MinceR: I'm quite aware of that`
`00:24.53`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: No, because the tab widget does not support vertical tabs`
`00:25.12`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: ah ok, so it's something with qt then?`
`00:25.19`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: you have the right to disagree... but you have no right to force your opinions on me :P`
`00:25.40`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: I wasn't aware I was using my mindbeams, sorry`
`00:25.51`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: That depends on your point of view. Both Qt and kdelibs could supply a tab widget that supports vertical tabs if they wanted to.`
`00:25.53`	`Renze`	`"everything should be done MY way!"`
`00:26.13`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Personally, I prefer a listview to vertical tabs, however.`
`00:26.15`	`Q-collective`	`Renze: I said that? When?`
`00:26.24`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: you implied it`
`00:26.42`	`Q-collective`	`I did not`
`00:26.47`	`Q-collective`	`period :p`
`00:27.00`	`Renze`	`ah, you have your monthly... that explains it :D`
`00:27.17`	`Homer`	`Give me Vertical Tabs, or give me death!`
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`00:27.20`	`Q-collective`	`The whole world hates me :(`
`00:27.36`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: get in line... it hated me first :P`
`00:27.38`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: there's no xor here...`
`00:28.15`	`Lafcadio`	`after upgrading from 3.5.0 to 3.5.2 I can no longer access the Transluency settings for window behavior. any ideas?`
`00:28.22`	`Homer`	`Qt doesn't have ListView?`
`00:28.25`	`Q-collective`	`Homer: vertical tabs, in what app btw? Konversation just got vertical tabs :-)`
`00:28.39`	`Sho_`	`Homer: Of course Qt has a listview.`
`00:29.12`	`nom_s`	`Q-collective: it's a tree view, not vertical tabs`
`00:29.31`	`Q-collective`	`yeah, I know, I thought you guys got that`
`00:29.32`	`nom_s`	`huuuge difference :D`
`00:29.38`	`Q-collective`	`not really`
`00:29.56`	`Q-collective`	`treeview is nicer btw :)`
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`00:30.26`	`nom_s`	`would be if there was accelerators`
`00:30.46`	`Q-collective`	`?`
`00:31.08`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: As I told you, adding accelerators is planned. You are, of course, entirely encouraged to send in a patch, or pay one of the Konversation developers, to accelerate the timetable on that.`
`00:31.09`	`nom_s`	`Q-collective: im not explaining again :D read the logs`
`00:31.42`	`Renze`	`rule number 1: do not whine about free software :D`
`00:31.59`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: i can buy a t-shirt... with vertical tabs on it`
`00:32.02`	`Lafcadio`	`what's rule number 0?`
`00:32.24`	`Renze`	`Lafcadio: rule number 0: don't like it? patch it! :D`
`00:32.31`	`Q-collective`	`nom_s: sorry, the logs don't mention what it is`
`00:32.37`	`Q-collective`	`my logs anyway`
`00:32.56`	`Renze`	`Q-collective: he means assigning shortcuts to tabs`
`00:33.05`	`Q-collective`	`ah, right`
`00:33.17`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: You are certainly also encouraged to send in a patch or pay a developer to work on support for vertical tabs. If you are a Qt licensee, you may also employ the Trolltech customer feedback programe.`
`00:33.29`	`Lafcadio`	`haha`
`00:35.07`	`nom_s`	`lol`
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`00:37.54`	`hein`	`It's really a simple as that - put your code or your money where your mouth is, or repeated bitching in the face of "it's being worked on" will be futile`
`00:38.19`	`nom_s`	`im looking at the source now`
`00:40.00`	`stoned`	`"/usr/bin/mkisofs: Connection reset by peer. cannot fwrite 32768*1" is the error I recieve when I try to burn this next dvd`
`00:40.12`	`stoned`	`it is blank, made sure of it, brand new from the unopened box`
`00:40.23`	`stoned`	`I just burned one so I know my settings are good`
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`00:40.41`	`stoned`	`I selected new data dvd project etc.`
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`00:40.57`	`qupada`	`i thought burning dvds was the job of growisofs`
`00:41.28`	`hydrogen`	`thats if it is already an iso`
`00:42.21`	`qupada`	`ah, true. i don't make dvds from files very often`
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`00:44.15`	`azuzu`	`anybody, I just got a pretty message from Konsole - ...unable to open a PTY...likely due to incorrect configuration of PTY devices (KDE 3.5.2, knoppix 5.0.1 hd install)`
`00:44.32`	`azuzu`	`what could it be?`
`00:44.44`	`stoned`	`it won't let me do it, on any dvd now`
`00:44.50`	`wallshot`	`could be out of available pty's`
`00:45.09`	`wallshot`	`i seen something similar in freebsd years ago where i had to add more manually cuz it set available ones based on my tiny amount of ram`
`00:45.25`	`wallshot`	`not sure how linux would end up without enough, or even if that's the actual cause in your case`
`00:47.14`	`grepper`	azuzu: ls -l `which kgrantpty`
`00:47.26`	`azuzu`	`a moment grepper`
`00:49.01`	`Lafcadio`	`after upgrading from 3.5.0 to 3.5.2 I can no longer access the Transluency settings for window behavior. any ideas?`
`00:49.14`	`azuzu`	`-rwsr-xr--x 1 root root 5856 Apr 14 13:07 /usr/bin/kgrantpty`
`00:49.18`	`grepper`	`ok`
`00:49.48`	`azuzu`	`?`
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`00:51.36`	`azuzu`	`wallshot: i have 1Giga RAM`
`00:51.36`	`grepper`	`looks ok`
`00:51.44`	`azuzu`	`yes, I forgot`
`00:52.00`	`azuzu`	`i compiled newer kernel`
`00:52.05`	`azuzu`	`:)`
`00:52.18`	`azuzu`	`2.6.17.9`
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`00:52.38`	`azuzu`	`and then it started spilling wisdom`
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`00:52.52`	`grepper`	`you have tty's ok ?`
`00:53.10`	`azuzu`	`seem fine`
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`00:53.48`	`azuzu`	`could it be something connected with udev?`
`00:54.50`	`HomeRoey`	`ttyfscker`
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`00:55.27`	`grepper`	`maybe`
`00:55.55`	`grepper`	`you have /dev/pts/* and the perms are ok ?`
`00:56.01`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: ok so the left tree view is a TreeWidget from kdelibs?`
`00:56.36`	`azuzu`	`another moment grepper...`
`00:56.40`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: It's a KListView, which is a relatively thin wrapper around QListView`
`00:58.25`	`azuzu`	`uhh, it seems there is no pts in my dev!?`
`00:58.58`	`grepper`	`that would do it`
`00:59.35`	`azuzu`	`it is in a form of a kernel module isn't it?`
`00:59.50`	`azuzu`	`should i compile it as a module or in kernel`
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`01:00.27`	`grepper`	`you have /dev/ptmx ?`
`01:00.43`	`azuzu`	`yes i do`
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`01:03.05`	`grepper`	`is it 666 ?`
`01:03.35`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: ok well... it's clearly the best solution to the no vertical tab stupidity then... touch�`
`01:04.47`	`nom_s`	`we'll see what happens after kde 4 then...`
`01:05.00`	`azuzu`	`grepper: it is not 666 it is crw-rw----`
`01:05.18`	`grepper`	`try making it so and see if that has a good effect`
`01:05.25`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: I still fail to see how lack of resources is "stupidity"`
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`01:06.16`	`azuzu`	`a moment and a half`
`01:06.32`	`jtate`	`anyone have experience with knetworkmanager and dbus 0.91?`
`01:06.39`	`jtate`	`compiling anyway`
`01:06.39`	`napkin`	`maybe`
`01:06.43`	`napkin`	`oh no.`
`01:06.53`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Putting accelerators on the treelist items either requires getting the accelerator to manage the list items, or fiding a way to get the accelerators from the tab labels to paint them into the treelist labels. Or perhaps something else. It has been and will be investigated, but given the manpower and time situation, doing it for the release you are using was not feasible, and I'm not going to apologize for that.`
`01:06.57`	`jtate`	`napkin: what experience do you have with it?`
`01:07.15`	`azuzu`	`grepper: u are my hero!`
`01:07.33`	`azuzu`	`now what I just did?`
`01:07.36`	`MinceR`	`an hero?`
`01:07.45`	`napkin`	`jtate: hm nevermind i use dbus 0.62. i thought i was bleeding edge!`
`01:07.49`	`grepper`	`azuzu: you may need to configure udev properly so you don't get the same prob next boot`
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`01:07.57`	`azuzu`	`:-(`
`01:08.20`	`MinceR`	`try the blood-less version`
`01:08.29`	`azuzu`	`:)`
`01:13.39`	`grepper`	`azuzu: in /etc/udev/permissions.rules I have :`
`01:13.43`	`grepper`	`# vc devices (all members of the tty subsystem)`
`01:13.43`	`grepper`	`KERNEL=="ptmx", MODE="0666", GROUP="root"`
`01:14.05`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: omg im not expecting you to apologize! im just stating that if vertical tabs was implemented at the same time when top/bottom option in qt was implemented, this problem would never had arised`
`01:14.51`	`azuzu`	`just grepped for it ;-)`
`01:15.29`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: That's true ...`
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`01:16.00`	`_root`	`hello`
`01:16.01`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Although in terms of visuals I prefer a listview to vertical tabs, personally`
`01:16.13`	`azuzu`	`but, but, but... mine is exactly the same`
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`01:16.55`	`azuzu`	`along with tty,pty`
`01:17.05`	`azuzu`	`console is 0600`
`01:19.00`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: well vertical tabs must be a lot more easier to implement than accelerators for list items`
`01:19.35`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: You couldn't be more wrong, actually ;)`
`01:20.00`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: To start with, adding vertical tabs would probably require fixing most or all styles out there`
`01:20.08`	`Sho_`	`s/fixing/extending/`
`01:21.13`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: That said, I think Qt4's QTabWidget may do vertical tabs ... haven't checked yet`
`01:22.36`	`azuzu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:22.49`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: i've never seen it in any qt applicaiton so far, and kommander says no...`
`01:22.54`	`azuzu`	`is it smthg?`
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`01:23.55`	`nom_s`	`enum TabPosition { Top, Bottom }`
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`01:24.48`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Well Kommander is Qt3 I assume`
`01:25.58`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qtabwidget.html#TabPosition-enum has West and East, too, but looking at the tabbed tock widgets, I assume that means labels rotated by 90°`
`01:26.05`	`Sho_`	`*dock`
`01:27.03`	`azuzu`	`bye!`
`01:27.05`	`azuzu`	`thanks`
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`01:27.27`	`nom_s`	`ouch ugly :(`
`01:28.19`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Not necessarily bad, though - kdelibs could probably subclass it and rotate the labels again, at least the tabs are on the right side ;)`
`01:28.38`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: And the styles have support for painting it, then`
`01:28.39`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: sounds slow...`
`01:29.01`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: I'm not talking about post-processing`
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`01:30.43`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: The main hurdle for vertical tabs is that the styles don't support drawing them. Now even if Qt's vertical tabs use rotated labels, that at least means that a Qt4 style has support for drawing vertical tabs. Now, if you replace the code that puts the label on the tab with code that draws it horizontally rather than vertically, you got what you want. Since the style needs to be capable of rendering at an theoretically arbitrary width due to`
`01:30.43`	`Sho_`	`font dimensions in any case, it would work out.`
`01:30.51`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: oh... now i see what you mean with extending all styles... klearlooks have no graphics for bottom tabs for example...`
`01:32.33`	`nom_s`	`i c i c`
`01:34.38`	`nom_s`	`so current kde doesn't use all functions in qt 4 beacuse it would make all the styles outdated?`
`01:35.19`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Current KDE doesn't use Qt4 but Qt3; KDE4 will use Qt4`
`01:35.44`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: The development of KDE4 involves porting it to Qt4, including all styles`
`01:37.24`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: all of them?`
`01:38.24`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Well I'm not sure if all will be ported, but they will need to be ported if they are to be available again`
`01:40.04`	`nom_s`	`Sho_: any guess when kde4 will be beta/stable?`
`01:40.45`	`Sho_`	`nom_s: Summer 2007-ish`
`01:42.17`	`nom_s`	`ok`
`01:43.11`	`Homer`	`ok I will say this finally`
`01:43.14`	`Homer`	`I hate OOo`
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`01:46.43`	`Homer`	`an office program should not be accessing the HDD for 2-3 kb of information every 10 seconds`
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`01:47.50`	`niskel`	`I somehow changed Konqueror to view source of pages with Kate. How can I change it back to Kedit?`
`01:48.00`	`niskel`	`Or whatever is default`
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`01:52.50`	`nom_s`	`conigfure - file associations - text - html - embedding tab`
`01:54.48`	`niskel`	`nom_s: what is it normally? Mine says KHTML then Embedded Advanced Text Editor`
`01:56.00`	`niskel`	`nom_s: even after removing Embedded Advanced Text Editor, it still opens source with Kate`
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`02:00.16`	`nom_s`	`niskel: add something else there then`
`02:01.06`	`niskel`	`nom_s: figured it out, when viewing source, konqueror opens the page as text/plain where the default application was changed to kate`
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`02:23.49`	`craig-z`	`hi all... any idea why, after a restart, KDE won't start for user but will still start for root? (Suse 10.1, KDE 3.5.4) What I mean is, it'll take my login info and start to load KDE, but after a few seconds it stops and goes back to the login screen.`
`02:24.13`	`craig-z`	`if i login as root, everything loads fine.`
`02:24.54`	`jtate`	`craig-z: can you get a failsafe session and run startkde from there?`
`02:25.25`	`craig-z`	`not sure. i will try and report back.`
`02:25.30`	`craig-z`	`thanks`
`02:25.31`	`jtate`	`Note that it's probably a permissions problem in /tmp/.ICE-unix`
`02:25.36`	`craig-z`	`thanks`
`02:26.18`	`craig-z`	`how would i resolve such problem?`
`02:26.18`	`jtate`	`Thank me when it's fixed. :)`
`02:26.39`	`jtate`	`well, startkde should tell you what the exact problem is.`
`02:26.50`	`craig-z`	`oh ok. thanks.`
`02:26.54`	`craig-z`	`i'll be back`
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`02:33.39`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze: What do you think of this new site layout mockup here`
`02:34.26`	`Renze`	`not bad... a little retro, though :)`
`02:34.44`	`AegeanLinux`	`retro ?`
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`02:35.13`	`Renze`	`kinda reminds me of the original Battlestar Galactica :)`
`02:35.26`	`Renze`	`not the new version... the 1970's version :)`
`02:35.48`	`AegeanLinux`	`Do you think its better then our old site ?`
`02:35.57`	`AegeanLinux`	`s/old/current/`
`02:36.18`	`Renze`	`does my opinion matter? ;)`
`02:36.39`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze: Your the king ;) And I can take anything harsh :)`
`02:36.56`	`Renze`	`I ain't no king :P`
`02:37.05`	`AegeanLinux`	`That's not the point`
`02:37.21`	`AegeanLinux`	`I don't like it to be honest`
`02:37.23`	`AegeanLinux`	`:P`
`02:37.29`	`craig-z`	`ok, so I entered failsafe and ran startkde. aside from getting a 'bad font path element' from xset, startkde tried to start up, and then gave me the following error: "DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-5246' to 'kded'" and then "kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed", and then startkde shut down... is this easy to resolve?`
`02:37.34`	`Renze`	`neither do I, to be honest`
`02:37.52`	`AegeanLinux`	`meh, rm ~/Desktop/.t*`
`02:39.25`	`Renze`	`craig-z: try removing .DCOP* from your home directory and try logging in again`
`02:40.20`	`craig-z`	`Renze, I don't see anything like that in my home directory (even viewing hidden files). Might it be anywhere else?`
`02:40.49`	`Renze`	`craig-z: you have successfully used KDE before?`
`02:40.57`	`Renze`	`as user?`
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`02:41.21`	`craig-z`	`yes, for quite some time. everything was fine until earlier today i restarted and couldn't get back in`
`02:41.43`	`Renze`	`then you should have some .DCOP* files in your home, otherwise KDE wouldn't have worked`
`02:42.04`	`Renze`	`they should be created if they don't exist`
`02:42.08`	`craig-z`	`in home/username/?`
`02:42.11`	`Renze`	`yes`
`02:42.40`	`craig-z`	`right because they're in the root folder now that i'm logged in as root.... hmm...`
`02:42.54`	`Renze`	`permissions?`
`02:43.05`	`craig-z`	`of those files?`
`02:43.24`	`Renze`	`no, just wondering if they're not being created because of permissions problems`
`02:43.32`	`craig-z`	`oh`
`02:44.09`	`craig-z`	`well i'm wondering how they're not there if I was using KDE all day`
`02:44.35`	`craig-z`	`should i change the permissions on my home directory?`
`02:44.46`	`Renze`	`if they're wrong, yes...`
`02:45.36`	`craig-z`	`they are: Owner - view&modify, group - view, others - view. and the ownership is user`
`02:46.43`	`Renze`	`distro?`
`02:47.00`	`craig-z`	`Suse 10.1`
`02:47.07`	`craig-z`	`KDE 3.5.4`
`02:48.04`	`Renze`	`hmmm... I seem to recall other suse users with similar issues... can't remember any solutions, though`
`02:48.43`	`craig-z`	`ok. so is the problem essentially that these files are missing? or is there something else going on?`
`02:49.21`	`Renze`	`dcopserver should automatically create them if they are not there... but for some reason it isn't`
`02:50.10`	`craig-z`	`well the error i got is that DCOP aborted a call to kded and that kded crashed`
`02:50.35`	`Renze`	`without dcop, kded can't talk to it's modules`
`02:50.39`	`craig-z`	`i see`
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`03:32.56`	`ShockValue`	`if im using KDM to lauch KDE, is there someplace i can pass command lines to startx like "startx -- -dpi 100" ?`
`03:35.00`	`Sho_`	`ShockValue: kdmrc`
`03:35.53`	`Sho_`	`ShockValue: e.g. ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -dpi 96`
`03:35.58`	`ShockValue`	`ah ok, thanks`
`03:36.44`	`Sho_`	`ShockValue: But what I assume you actually want to do is change the Xft dpi, so perhaps a "Xft.dpi: 100" in ~/.Xresources would be smarter`
`03:36.49`	`grepper`	`why not in xserverrc ?`
`03:37.23`	`ShockValue`	`no reason, currently im not using KDM, but would like to.. so i was trying to figure out how to keep that functionality`
`03:37.33`	`ShockValue`	`if there's a better way to do it, im all for it :)`
`03:38.32`	`ShockValue`	`i dont have an .Xresources file, should i jsut create it?`
`03:38.41`	`Sho_`	`ShockValue: yup`
`03:39.02`	`ShockValue`	`kk, copied + pasted :)`
`03:39.11`	`ShockValue`	`ill restart and see wha happin`
`03:40.05`	`Sho_`	`ShockValue: hope you didn't paste the "" tho :)`
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`03:56.06`	`sabrosa`	`¡¡¡`
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`03:59.19`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hi`
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`04:23.40`	`guru18`	`question: when I launch Konqueror I get an error "No mime types installed." I'm using gentoo and I have tried reemerging the package, what should I do?`
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`04:26.11`	`guru18`	`here is the error it spits out on the command line, http://people.tamu.edu/~brianw1/paste.txt any ideas?`
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`04:45.19`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze: http://tim.aegeanlinux.be <--- Perfect (almost)`
`04:45.46`	`Renze`	`the blue bars remind me of Java Swing :D`
`04:46.01`	`AegeanLinux`	`but ... how's it look ?`
`04:46.11`	`Renze`	`better than the last one`
`04:46.13`	`AegeanLinux`	`better or worse then the current one ?`
`04:46.46`	`Renze`	`a little better... but it's just my opinion`
`04:47.00`	`AegeanLinux`	`THANK YOU! I think so to.`
`04:47.59`	`AegeanLinux`	`On to change it all over`
`04:48.23`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze: The current CSS only site is starting to piss me off with all it's limitations`
`04:48.35`	`AegeanLinux`	`not to mention people complained about it crashing IE`
`04:48.43`	`Renze`	`who cares about IE?`
`04:49.10`	`AegeanLinux`	`Obviosly the 20% of people who goto www.aegeanlinux.be ;)`
`04:50.00`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: the sidebar needs to be about 20% narrower`
`04:50.40`	`AegeanLinux`	`you think so qupada? OK. Thanks :)`
`04:50.59`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: that's at 1280x1024 at least`
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`04:51.43`	`AegeanLinux`	`Is that any better ?`
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`04:52.03`	`qupada`	`didn't change`
`04:52.24`	`AegeanLinux`	`I mean --> That`
`04:52.30`	`AegeanLinux`	`:)`
`04:52.35`	`qupada`	`perfect`
`04:53.40`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: What do you think? Better or worse then current site ?`
`04:54.12`	`qupada`	`heh, never looked at the original`
`04:54.19`	`qupada`	`lemme see`
`04:54.33`	`qupada`	`i think somewhere between the two`
`04:54.44`	`AegeanLinux`	`www.aegeanlinux.be <-- that current one ;)`
`04:54.55`	`qupada`	`i like the sidebar and white background from the old site, but the red lines make it look better`
`04:55.34`	`AegeanLinux`	`I agree with you on that one :)`
`04:55.36`	`qupada`	`if you moved (on the old site) the graphical logo from the top of the content section to where the text logo is and add some of those trippy red lines it would be cool`
`04:56.02`	`AegeanLinux`	`Meh, I think I might use this current layout`
`04:56.20`	`AegeanLinux`	`because then the forum and BUGS can have a consistant layout`
`04:56.31`	`AegeanLinux`	`because those sites broke with the CSS layout.`
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`05:06.02`	`Serapis`	`Greeting'z`
`05:06.38`	`AegeanLinux`	`G'day Serapis`
`05:09.51`	`Serapis`	`G'eve AegeanLinux`
`05:14.09`	`Serapis`	`ok, anyone using suse 9.3 ia32, w/ default updates as of yesterday (kde 3.4.0-b) ?`
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`05:22.34`	`AegeanLinux`	`Ladies and Gentlemens. It is time for the grand unvailing:: http://www.aegeanlinux.be`
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`05:23.08`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze, qupada, what do you two think ?`
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`05:23.52`	`Renze`	`meh, it's yet another website :D`
`05:24.22`	`Serapis`	`login (from kdm) freezes while "restoring session", all user procs just in stop/wait, no zombies, must reset X (CAB), other uids that ussually dont get used are ok; can drop to runlevel 3 and mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-save and startx (fresh init), then cp everything under.kde/share/{apps,config} except kgpg , kpgp , exit & startx again, and ive got my configs bck, but after exit, startx, or login via kdm freezes yet again... any help greatly apprici`
`05:24.22`	`Serapis`	`ated !`
`05:25.16`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze: Be serious please, better or worse ?`
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`05:25.33`	`Rudd-O`	`hello everyone`
`05:25.35`	`Renze`	`AegeanLinux: marginally better ;)`
`05:25.42`	`Rudd-O`	`fantastic work on the SoCK deliverables!`
`05:25.44`	`Rudd-O`	`just reading about it`
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`05:31.42`	`irrelevant`	`(Kubuntu Dapper - KDE 3.5.4) does anyone know why xscreensaver timeout keeps resetting?... I have to 'xset s off' every time I lock the session`
`05:32.56`	`Atoms`	`irrelevant its kubuntu problem, ask in kubuntu forums or channels`
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`05:33.55`	`irrelevant`	`Atoms, thanks... trying there as well, not helping much...`
`05:34.27`	`Atoms`	`well i can't imagine whats the problem`
`05:35.19`	`irrelevant`	`does kscreensaver call up any config that would overwrite xscreensaver settings?`
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`05:54.36`	`Renze`	`note to self: when I open a can of tuna, and find a whole chilli pepper in the can, I should not chop it up and put it on my sandwiches :)`
`05:56.28`	`straw`	`heh`
`05:56.58`	`Renze`	`or I should at least remove the seeds :)`
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`07:15.55`	`marcusU`	`I'm trying to get KDE installed from source on Suse 10.1. The problem now is that all of the Control Center modules are listed in the K-Menu under Applications and do not appear in Control Center at all.`
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`07:16.48`	`annma`	`maybe you should ask in #suse`
`07:17.01`	`annma`	`did you try a new user?`
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`07:17.51`	`marcusU`	`Oh, the #suse people have never been helpful. I started with a fresh user account.`
`07:18.27`	`annma`	`marcusU: difficult for me to help as I build kde from source`
`07:18.35`	`annma`	`i have no idea how suse does things`
`07:18.51`	`marcusU`	`annma: I built KDE from source.`
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`07:22.05`	`annma`	`marcusU: oh, ok`
`07:22.07`	`annma`	`sorry`
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`07:22.46`	`annma`	`did you set XDG_DATA_DIRS in your .bashrc?`
`07:24.28`	`marcusU`	`I'll try it again. Should XDG_DATA_DIRS include $KDEDIR/share and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS include $KDEDIR/etc/xdg?`
`07:24.51`	`annma`	`yes`
`07:25.58`	`marcusU`	`Okay. Thanks. I will try.`
`07:26.23`	`annma`	`export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$KDEDIR/share/:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/`
`07:26.24`	`annma`	`export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=$KDEDIR/etc/xdg/:/etc/xdg/`
`07:26.28`	`annma`	`that's what I have`
`07:26.46`	`annma`	`$KDEDIR being set above that`
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`07:27.59`	`marcusU`	`Okay. I'll try that. Ugh. It's about 4 hours later than I thought.`
`07:29.10`	`gresco`	`marcusU: are you using an src.rpm?`
`07:29.21`	`marcusU`	`gresco: No. Source tarballs.`
`07:29.45`	`gresco`	`maybe it could help looking at SuSEW`
`07:29.57`	`marcusU`	`SuSEW?`
`07:29.59`	`gresco`	`'s KDE src.rpm`
`07:30.45`	`marcusU`	`Okay. I think I forgot to set the XDG_... before entering KDE. So I'm going to put it in .bashrc and try again (tomorrow).`
`07:30.51`	`gresco`	`why are you compiling from source?`
`07:31.55`	`annma`	`to have the real thing (tm)`
`07:32.09`	`marcusU`	`A few reasons. Suse's prebuilt KDE depends on ALSA (which I don't like). I want to be able to update to SVN (because there are still some bugs).`
`07:32.22`	`marcusU`	`And I have had better stability with KDE built from source.`
`07:32.34`	`gresco`	`which version?`
`07:33.01`	`marcusU`	`I'm installing KDE 3.4.5, although I will upgrade to SVN once I have the basic installation.`
`07:33.18`	`gresco`	`have you tried http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1 ?`
`07:34.16`	`marcusU`	`I keep hoping that Konqueror's annoying bug that results eating all memory while printing will get fixed. I reported it and it got fixed for the particular webpage that was a problem at the time, but it's still having problems with some webpage for work.`
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`07:36.36`	`gresco`	`or even http://repos.opensuse.org/KDE:/Backports/SUSE_Linux_10.1/`
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`07:44.41`	`AegeanLinux`	`wb all!`
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`07:47.08`	`qupada`	`yo`
`07:47.27`	`qupada`	`glad you came back, wanted to make comments about your website`
`07:47.34`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: http://aegeanlinux.be/index.php?n=Main.PlayGround`
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`07:48.36`	`AegeanLinux`	`The empty white space will be a picture of a computer ;)`
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`07:48.56`	`qupada`	`what i think is you really need to dispose of those stupid images adding the diagonal lines to all the section headings and just have solid colours`
`07:50.13`	`AegeanLinux`	`you mean the monitors? I quite like them :P`
`07:52.19`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: these bits: http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1710/20060907190945hs9.png`
`07:53.02`	`comick`	`AegeanLinux: it's an archlinux fork?!`
`07:53.29`	`comick`	`what the differences to arch?`
`07:53.51`	`qupada`	`and why do both the 'bugs' and 'blog' links go to bugs.aegeanlinux.be ?`
`07:54.31`	`comick`	`is there some kubuntu developer or user?`
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`07:56.18`	`AegeanLinux`	`OK, qupada, the grey, should it be the lighter grey or the darker one, and the purple, should it be lighter or darker?`
`07:57.11`	`AegeanLinux`	`comick: No, its not an Arch Linux fork, it only uses Arch Linux's package manager`
`07:57.22`	`AegeanLinux`	`they are to seperate Linux Distros.`
`07:57.46`	`RockMan`	`ciao`
`07:57.49`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: well the wide bar with the logo wants to be lighter than the two bars with the links, albiet only slightly different. the purple wants to be closer to the more blueish colour in the logo`
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`07:58.31`	`comick`	`AegeanLinux: then you use personal initscripts?`
`08:00.13`	`AegeanLinux`	`comick: No, there are sum bits from Arch, some from Gentoo, some from Ubuntu, and some home brew.`
`08:00.22`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: KK, thanks.`
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`08:00.34`	`comick`	`ok`
`08:00.43`	`comick`	`i could give a try`
`08:01.05`	`comick`	`what are the main aspect of this?`
`08:01.06`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: and check the blog link at the top while you're there... it goes to bugs`
`08:01.11`	`comick`	`apart kde and pacman?`
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`08:01.15`	`AegeanLinux`	`comick: Great. I would suggest waiting till next week, when we have a new version`
`08:01.24`	`comick`	`ah ok`
`08:01.25`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: Done already ;)`
`08:01.47`	`AegeanLinux`	`comick: the new version is 0.5-rc2, hence the new site layout.`
`08:02.02`	`comick`	`k`
`08:02.04`	`AegeanLinux`	`Thanks all for looking at the site, and giving hints. I appreciate it.`
`08:02.16`	`comick`	`AegeanLinux: please do not destroy kde like kubuntu do :(`
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`08:02.25`	`comick`	`kde is the best desktop`
`08:02.36`	`comick`	`(i think, and many here too i hope :) )`
`08:02.46`	`Renze`	`that's a given :D`
`08:02.58`	`AegeanLinux`	`comick: the only thing we do is set afew defualt settings, such as the win deko, and default fonts. Nothing you can't revert in kcontrol :)`
`08:03.11`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: also, your 'what is' page is missing a few cpus (AMD Sempron, Athlon64, Opteron, Turion, Intel Pentium-m, Core Solo, Core Duo), should run on any of those`
`08:03.42`	`AegeanLinux`	`Thanks qupada.`
`08:04.42`	`AegeanLinux`	`Sempron is after Duron isn't it qupada?`
`08:04.52`	`comick`	`AegeanLinux: in the cpu page i think is bettere signal pentium 2 a upper processor`
`08:04.55`	`qupada`	`chronologically yes`
`08:04.59`	`comick`	`of x86 family`
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`08:06.32`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: who designed your logo? it's cool`
`08:06.37`	`AegeanLinux`	`I did qupada`
`08:07.07`	`qupada`	`well done. although the antialiasing isn't doing it any justice, not on my lcd at least`
`08:07.09`	`AegeanLinux`	`Why thank you. The best thing is the SVG version`
`08:07.35`	`AegeanLinux`	`http://tim.aegeanlinux.be/logo/AegeanLinux_v1.svg`
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`08:13.29`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: Hows --> that ;)`
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`08:15.32`	`qupada`	`definately an improvement`
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`08:16.09`	`qupada`	`i have an idea`
`08:16.15`	`qupada`	`since there is a gradient fill behind the logo`
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`08:17.04`	`qupada`	`goes approx f7f7f7 - ededed, use the darker of those shades for the bar at the lighter end of the gradient and vice versa`
`08:17.26`	`qupada`	`saves thinking up colours to go with it, and ensures there is at least a small colour difference`
`08:17.57`	`AegeanLinux`	`do you think it needs changing ?`
`08:18.56`	`qupada`	`everything else on the page is solid colours or fairly gentle gradients, the higher contrast of the diagonal lines sticks out really badly`
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`08:20.02`	`AegeanLinux`	`do you thing you could make a quick screenie of what your trying to make?`
`08:20.33`	`AegeanLinux`	`( only if your not busy`
`08:20.34`	`AegeanLinux`	`)`
`08:20.38`	`qupada`	`sure, gimme 5`
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`08:21.02`	`AegeanLinux`	`thanks qupada, i appreciate it :0`
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`08:28.47`	`hockyhair`	`hey, whats the name of the battery moniter thing that kde uses i wanna call it manually in another x-windows enviornment`
`08:29.15`	`annma`	`klaptop?`
`08:29.27`	`annma`	`there are others I think in kde-apps`
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`08:31.04`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: here's what i want to see: http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3044/20060907200930ke0.png`
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`08:31.15`	`hockyhair`	`man cool.. do you know about knetworkmanager? i want to have it save a wpa password i use everytime i startup and auto connect`
`08:32.38`	`AegeanLinux`	`very nice qupada. What would ALi be without you ?`
`08:33.08`	`qupada`	`heh, speaking of that, did i ever talk to you about using initng?`
`08:33.23`	`qupada`	`(my memory is awful, it's entirely possible i have brought it up at one point)`
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`08:34.07`	`AegeanLinux`	`yes, we did talk about it, and yes, you were the person who brought it up AFAIR`
`08:34.31`	`AegeanLinux`	`but AegeanLinux does not need it :)`
`08:34.54`	`AegeanLinux`	because our init script is basically `procress&` ;)
`08:35.25`	`qupada`	`well fair enough, but do keep it in mind`
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`08:35.40`	`AegeanLinux`	`plus we use Arch's system of booting the computer, and that is more like FreeBSD's way of booting the system`
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`08:36.15`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: if you ever need a host for your svn repo's, you come to me first :) KK ?`
`08:36.26`	`qupada`	`cool cool`
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`08:39.30`	`hockyhair`	`exit`
`08:39.40`	`Renze`	`n00b`
`08:40.02`	`qupada`	`:wq`
`08:40.03`	`qupada`	`:P`
`08:40.17`	`AegeanLinux`	`?`
`08:40.17`	`Renze`	`:x is faster :)`
`08:40.27`	`Renze`	`vim!`
`08:40.32`	`qupada`	`or ZZ`
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`08:40.45`	`AegeanLinux`	`wt hell peoples ?`
`08:41.01`	`qupada`	`lolz. take it you're not a vi user?`
`08:41.04`	`Renze`	`AegeanLinux: you're not a vim user then? :)`
`08:41.48`	`AegeanLinux`	`no`
`08:41.51`	`Renze`	`you're not a geek until you worship either vim or emacs :)`
`08:42.05`	`AegeanLinux`	`nano all the way Renze ;)`
`08:42.09`	`Renze`	`bleh`
`08:42.24`	`AegeanLinux`	`see, Aegean is so good, you never _need_ to use the konsole :P`
`08:42.30`	`paoleela_work`	`Hello. In konqueror I can't change the background for some folders, they always switch back to the old background image.`
`08:42.40`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: I think I have made the site just as you want it :)`
`08:42.42`	`Renze`	`AegeanLinux: that sucks... I like using the konsole`
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`08:43.05`	`AegeanLinux`	`I like Yakuake better, Sho_ ;)`
`08:43.16`	`Renze`	`AegeanLinux: same thing :P`
`08:43.29`	`AegeanLinux`	`No it's not, one starts with a Y ;)`
`08:43.32`	`AegeanLinux`	`K ?`
`08:43.34`	`Renze`	`zsh forever!`
`08:43.40`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: apart from the links at the very top missing out on the stylesheet, that's the go`
`08:43.43`	`Renze`	`and screen!`
`08:43.51`	`AegeanLinux`	`bash will ... bash your zsh`
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`08:45.11`	`AegeanLinux`	`:) s'all good Renze and qupada. I thank you both!`
`08:46.23`	`hkBst`	`is it possible to get to the pid of a window?`
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`08:49.02`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: i think you've got it. that top bar isn't the exact shade i had in mind, but looks good`
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`08:49.41`	`AegeanLinux`	`http://www.aegeanlinux.be/index.php?n=Main.PlayGround <-- whatchu think of that qupada ?`
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`08:50.45`	`qupada`	`yellow?? that doesn't fit in with the rest of the colour scheme`
`08:51.16`	`AegeanLinux`	`Hey? Oh, monitor :)`
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`08:51.44`	`qupada`	`open it in gimp and hue shift it 180 degrees and it goes blue`
`08:52.10`	`AegeanLinux`	`maybe that is better :)`
`08:52.15`	`header666`	`hello...`
`08:52.17`	`header666`	`I have one question...`
`08:52.21`	`header666`	`konqueror and socks 5`
`08:52.37`	`header666`	`I have socks connection at localhost:1080`
`08:52.49`	`header666`	`I setup socks in control center`
`08:53.06`	`header666`	`kopete, konversation, kmail used this connection without problem`
`08:53.24`	`shastry`	`is there a way i can change the default port of the personal server kicker applet ?`
`08:53.29`	`shastry`	`or is it hard coded into the app ?`
`08:53.36`	`header666`	`except konqueror`
`08:53.50`	`header666`	`konqueror uses direct connection`
`08:54.44`	`hkBst`	`AegeanLinux: over the last months I've tried to install quite a few distros, looking for the perfect one to inflict upon my family members. When checking out a homepage of yet another distro what I'm mostly looking for is what makes that distro different from all the other distros. I couldn't find anything about this about AegeanLinux.`
`08:55.36`	`AegeanLinux`	`I am working on it hkBst. Serriosly :)`
`08:55.54`	`AegeanLinux`	`http://www.aegeanlinux.be/index.php?n=Main.PlayGround <-- Perfect`
`08:56.57`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada, Renze, hkBst, anything I should change ?`
`08:58.19`	`qupada`	`heh, much better`
`09:00.34`	`hkBst`	`I've got a konqueror with 20 tabs which plays dead. I want to get the pid of it and attach gdb. I've got about 8 processes for konqueror and I don't know which is which.`
`09:00.39`	`tuxick`	`kpdf printing still screws up`
`09:00.40`	`AegeanLinux`	`qupada: I agree with you, it now looks much better then what it would have done without your help.`
`09:00.48`	`tuxick`	`sends wrong paper format to printer`
`09:00.58`	`annma`	`header666: type dcop`
`09:01.01`	`tuxick`	`any idea when that's gonna be acknowledged and fixed?`
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`09:01.27`	`annma`	`tuxick: any specifics?`
`09:01.30`	`tuxick`	`this has been annoyined me for at least a year now`
`09:01.47`	`tuxick`	`annma: oh ye, i tell it to print A4 and printer tells me "load kwarto"`
`09:01.48`	`annma`	`did you file a report?`
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`09:01.51`	`qupada`	`AegeanLinux: going to #aegeanlinux`
`09:01.53`	`tuxick`	`whatever that may mean`
`09:02.04`	`tuxick`	`annma: i checked bugtracker and added a "me too"`
`09:02.14`	`tuxick`	`most printing does work`
`09:03.35`	`tuxick`	`annma: cups inbetween, like most people use no doubt`
`09:04.14`	`annma`	`ok`
`09:04.45`	`tuxick`	`until then i'm forced to use acroread`
`09:05.41`	`header666`	`annma: what exactly means dcop?`
`09:06.04`	`annma`	`descktop communication something`
`09:06.06`	`annma`	`google it`
`09:06.09`	`pinotree`	`protocol`
`09:06.22`	`pinotree`	`Desktop COmmunication Protocol`
`09:06.43`	`header666`	`annma: result is list... line where konqueror is looks like: konqueror-7542`
`09:07.00`	`annma`	`so 7542 is konq pid`
`09:07.11`	`annma`	`thanks pinotree`
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`09:09.25`	`tuxick`	`annma: i just don't understand how kpdf manages to break things, since kde subsystem and cups do their job ok`
`09:09.41`	`annma`	`tuxick: no idea, sorry`
`09:09.49`	`tuxick`	`oh well`
`09:09.56`	`tuxick`	`time to get religious and prey`
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`09:12.13`	`header666`	`annma: ok.. 7542 is pid... what next? ;)`
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`09:32.36`	`xushi`	`lo all. erm, i just noticed this and im not sure if its missing or i'm looking the wrong way, but i can't print 'selection' (selected text) in konq as compared to FF.`
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`09:59.57`	`AegeanLinux`	`Renze: A sneak peak at the new homepage ( http://www.aegeanlinux.be/index.php?n=Main.PlayGround )`
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`10:12.18`	`visik7`	`anyone know how froglogic squish works ?`
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`10:14.38`	`floe`	`Hi all`
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`10:20.08`	`floe`	`I have a problem with on kde startup it takes a long long time loading the system services`
`10:20.29`	`floe`	`any ideas what could be wrong`
`10:20.51`	`BloodFist`	`is there in entry for localhost in your /etc/hosts ?`
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`10:23.46`	`floe`	`BloodFist: yes`
`10:29.55`	`Q-collective`	`BloodFist: how is that related to anything?`
`10:30.06`	`Q-collective`	`floe: have you fed your fish?`
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`10:35.12`	`floe`	`Q-collective: yep, I did right now, but still the same`
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`10:36.34`	`xushi`	`is there a good kde app similar to radmin on windows ?`
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`10:37.02`	`xushi`	`(remote admin), remotely administering the same session on the remote machine`
`10:37.14`	`xushi`	`both machines running kde`
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`10:38.29`	`Q-collective`	`floe: oh, was worth a try ;)`
`10:40.09`	`floe`	`Q-collective: Removed my ~/.kde`
`10:40.15`	`floe`	`same thing`
`10:40.16`	`floe`	`:(`
`10:41.41`	`xushi`	`floe: check the logs. dmesg, Xorg's, etc.. maby you'll find a problem there`
`10:41.45`	`PhilRod`	`~dot-kde`
`10:41.50`	`apt`	`Don't remove ~/.kde: as well as your personal settings, it contains your address book and may contain your email. Rename the directory and restart KDE instead`
`10:42.30`	`floe`	`apt: That's what I did ;I, thx`
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`11:11.24`	`logixoul`	`how do i add a custom stylesheet to khtml without ditching the author one?`
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`11:33.06`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Hey all!`
`11:33.27`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Tell me about howto make some dcop's exec by another user? In example www-data...`
`11:33.48`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Or howto let www-data acces the dcop server.`
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`11:34.12`	`logixoul`	`what's "www-data"?`
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`11:34.37`	`str4nd`	`logixoul: group and user in debian apache`
`11:35.16`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`www-data is Apache user...`
`11:35.37`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Is my request possible?`
`11:35.48`	`logixoul`	`hmm.`
`11:35.56`	`MuJ`	`dcop --user www-data command`
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`11:37.12`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`ERROR: No active KDE sessions!`
`11:37.12`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`If you are sure there is one, please set the $DCOPSERVER variable manually`
`11:37.12`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`before calling dcop.`
`11:37.16`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Gave me that`
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`11:37.23`	`modumass`	`evenin all, i am having trouble starting konqueror`
`11:37.32`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`When doing: dcop--user www-data amarok player next`
`11:37.40`	`modumass`	`when i type konqueror in term, there is no return, and no ooutput`
`11:38.00`	`modumass`	`ok, there is a return to next line but no output and no starting of the app`
`11:38.03`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`I think I have solved my prob...`
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`11:40.10`	`modumass`	`although if i look in ProcessTable it says there are 12 konqueror processes going`
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`11:43.37`	`logixoul`	`modumass: try with a new user`
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`11:45.20`	`modumass`	`logixoul, like see if can open it in another user acct?`
`11:45.30`	`logixoul`	`modumass: yup`
`11:46.28`	`modumass`	`yeh opens in another user acct no problem`
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`11:48.56`	`PhilRod`	`modumass: rename ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc , restart kde and try again`
`11:49.28`	`modumass`	`cool thanks, what could do that to the app though?`
`11:50.16`	`logixoul`	`modumass: you'd lose your konqueror prefs.`
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`11:50.28`	`modumass`	`thtas ok though, i dont hink i have any`
`11:50.39`	`logixoul`	`PhilRod: why does he have to restart KDE?`
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`11:50.52`	`modumass`	`can i rename konquerorrc in any user act, or only this one?`
`11:51.03`	`modumass`	`i spose i dont have access to it in any other acct`
`11:51.14`	`logixoul`	`modumass: do it in your own account.`
`11:52.01`	`PhilRod`	`logixoul: he doesn't, I guess`
`11:52.18`	`logixoul`	`yep.`
`11:52.52`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket`
`11:52.52`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!`
`11:52.57`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Howto solve?`
`11:53.10`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`Trying to control amarok with www-data user..`
`11:53.11`	`logixoul`	`PhilRod: when you use a preloaded copy.`
`11:53.18`	`PhilRod`	`Hagbarddenstore: what exactly are you trying to achieve?`
`11:53.38`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`PhilRod: Allowing www-data to display and run amarok dcop commands...`
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`11:54.25`	`modumass`	`hmm, neither of the other browsers allow me to rename it`
`11:54.39`	`modumass`	`is there a way to rename it in term?`
`11:54.39`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`www-data can't acces the dcop server....`
`11:54.46`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`modumass: Rename?`
`11:54.52`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`mv file newfile`
`11:55.04`	`modumass`	`file:///home/guest/.kde/share/config`
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`11:55.25`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`modumass: In term: mv <oldfilename> <newfilename>`
`11:56.00`	`modumass`	`hagbarddenstore, with the address to both also?`
`11:56.15`	`logixoul`	`modumass: no`
`11:56.22`	`logixoul`	`modumass: just do it in the same dir`
`11:56.32`	`modumass`	`ok, hmm`
`11:56.34`	`logixoul`	`modumass: while you're in the dir in konq, press f6 (by default)`
`11:56.38`	`PhilRod`	`Hagbarddenstore: is amarok running as user www-data?`
`11:56.39`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`modumass: cd to your dir, in this case /home/guest/.kde/share`
`11:56.45`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`PhilRod: Nope`
`11:56.53`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`PhilRod: As hagbard`
`11:57.01`	`modumass`	`like oh, ok, i understand, ps im nto remotely noob yet`
`11:57.11`	`modumass`	`im lime nanonoob`
`11:57.22`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`But the prob is to allow www-data access the dcop server....`
`12:00.04`	`PhilRod`	`Hagbarddenstore: well, if I read "dcop --help" correctly, you should use "dcop --user hagbard ..." to connect to the dcop server that amarok is connected to`
`12:00.19`	`PhilRod`	`assuming you're running that dcop command as www-data`
`12:00.41`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`PhilRod: Yes... But it seems to me that www-data aren't alloed to use the socket or something that dcop uses....`
`12:00.54`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`So I can't connect to the dcop server..`
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`12:01.03`	`modumass`	mv: cannot stat `konquerorrc': No such file or directory
`12:01.10`	`modumass`	hmm mv: cannot stat `konquerorrc': No such file or directory
`12:01.17`	`modumass`	`sorry`
`12:01.35`	`logixoul`	`modumass: what's the difference?`
`12:01.57`	`modumass`	`nothing the appology was for pasting 2X`
`12:02.03`	`logixoul`	`ok`
`12:02.32`	`logixoul`	`modumass: which is your current dir?`
`12:02.44`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`PhilRod: DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket`
`12:02.44`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket`
`12:02.44`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!`
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`12:02.57`	`modumass`	`~/.kde/share>`
`12:03.13`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`When doing dcop --user hagbard amarok player <command>`
`12:03.30`	`logixoul`	`modumass: you should be in ~/.kde/share/config`
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`12:03.49`	`modumass`	`hmmm, thanks again`
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`12:04.12`	`modumass`	`done`
`12:04.16`	`logixoul`	`works?`
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`12:04.42`	`modumass`	`ok, i think its done`
`12:04.50`	`modumass`	`how do i check>`
`12:05.02`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`modumass: ls`
`12:05.28`	`logixoul`	`modumass: does konq work now?`
`12:06.03`	`modumass`	`what does Is mean?`
`12:06.25`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`modumass: LS in small letters...`
`12:06.29`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`it means list`
`12:06.35`	`logixoul`	`modumass: displays the files in the current dir`
`12:06.38`	`logixoul`	`(and dirs)`
`12:06.42`	`PhilRod`	`Hagbarddenstore: (just guessing) try chmod 666 ~hagbard/.DCOP*`
`12:06.44`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`And it would list everything in your dir....`
`12:06.46`	`modumass`	`OK, yeh its renamed`
`12:07.03`	`modumass`	`so i went ctrl+esc`
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`12:07.21`	`modumass`	`but theres one konqueror process i cant kill, it says i dont have permission`
`12:07.22`	`PhilRod`	`modumass: now try to start konqueror`
`12:07.23`	`logixoul`	`AoA: steady up a little, you're flooding my screen. :-D`
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`12:07.52`	`AoA`	`sprry, logixoul`
`12:07.54`	`AoA`	`I am trying do do somethiong with xcaht`
`12:07.56`	`modumass`	`nope, no love`
`12:08.33`	`modumass`	`the processes are running, i jsut cant see htem`
`12:08.38`	`logixoul`	`AoA: well try it with #some-channel-nobody-cares-about ;)`
`12:08.48`	`AoA`	`o, yes, thanks`
`12:08.52`	`Hagbarddenstore`	`modumass: Try Firefox and Thunar instead? :D`
`12:08.53`	`modumass`	`when i clicked on my computer another process started, it just isnt displaying`
`12:09.00`	`modumass`	`they work`
`12:09.24`	`PhilRod`	`modumass: in a konsole, type "konqueror". Does that work?`
`12:09.37`	`PhilRod`	`modumass: do any kde apps work?`
`12:09.46`	`PhilRod`	`oh, and what distro are you using?`
`12:10.23`	`modumass`	`yeh amarok, is up and playing nice with the other kids`
`12:11.32`	`logixoul`	`modumass: rename ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror`
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`12:11.53`	`modumass`	`ok`
`12:13.29`	`modumass`	`no that didnt work either`
`12:13.59`	`modumass`	`i renamed it but when i opened the app it created a new process but nothing visiblw`
`12:14.00`	`modumass`	`e`
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`12:14.48`	`sonorous`	`is it possible for one to disable bold text in konsole? e.g. by having it in a different colour instead or something?`
`12:14.49`	`logixoul`	`modumass: konqueror --profile filemanagement`
`12:15.13`	`logixoul`	`sonorous: i think yes.`
`12:15.19`	`logixoul`	`sonorous: in the schema tab`
`12:15.28`	`logixoul`	`sonorous: uncheck bold.`
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`12:15.57`	`modumass`	`logixoul, nothing happens`
`12:16.00`	`sonorous`	`it's unticked - ticking it makes all text bold`
`12:16.20`	`sonorous`	`I want just text that is highlighted as being bold to not be bold, if that makes sense`
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`12:16.59`	`logixoul`	`sonorous: yeh i get it... i'll look it up.`
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`12:20.14`	`logixoul`	`modumass: dcop konqueror*`
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`12:20.59`	`logixoul`	`sonorous: where can i see such marked-as-bold text?`
`12:22.42`	`modumass`	`logicol, it returned which is a step, but no output,, ps what doe dcop do?`
`12:22.52`	`modumass`	`and waht does the *do?`
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`12:24.32`	`sonorous`	`logixoul: e.g. in irssi`
`12:24.51`	`modumass`	`ok, do i log out and log back in?`
`12:24.58`	`Fanta`	`will jemand kurz helfen ?`
`12:25.27`	`logixoul`	`sonorous: i don't have that, anywhere else?`
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`12:25.54`	`logixoul`	`Fanta: das channel ist nur für Englisch.`
`12:26.13`	`logixoul`	`Fanta: probieren #kde.de`
`12:27.04`	`sonorous`	`logixoul: not that i can think of`
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`12:27.23`	`modumass`	`awesome i have kon love again`
`12:27.27`	`modumass`	`thanks for the hlp`
`12:27.35`	`logixoul`	`woohoo.`
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`12:31.39`	`cbr`	`bah.. gnome-term has real transparency :(`
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`12:31.53`	`gdg`	`hi`
`12:32.00`	`logixoul`	`cbr: heard about it, and still can't believe it.`
`12:32.12`	`logixoul`	`cbr: does it require a compositing wm?`
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`12:32.42`	`gdg`	`small question, kde freezes on startup (loading Desktop) where can I read the log files ? (I've to reboot every time)`
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`12:33.31`	`cbr`	`dont know`
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`12:33.36`	`cbr`	`i think it's not wm dependant`
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`12:35.52`	`cbr`	`kde users still gotta be patient for half a year :/`
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`12:36.27`	`logixoul`	`maybe more, maybe less.`
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`12:37.28`	`mobtek`	`yeah but at least we won't be stuck with using gnome :)`
`12:37.31`	`jtate`	`Anyone know a mailing list where I can contact the knetworkmanager developers?`
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`12:38.40`	`annma`	`you should have their mails in the Help menu -> about`
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`12:41.54`	`jtate`	`I guess I have AUTHORS in the svn tree. I can't compile knetwork manager on my system. My dbus-qt bindings are too new.`
`12:42.27`	`annma`	`kde3 or 4?`
`12:43.51`	`jtate`	`kde4, dbus 0.91, dbus-qt 0.2`
`12:44.00`	`jtate`	`s/kde4/kde 3.5.4/`
`12:45.03`	`jtate`	`problem is that the dbus-qt bindings have been broken out from the dbus tree, and the backport of the qt4 bindings is incompatible.`
`12:46.12`	`annma`	`what system is that?`
`12:46.13`	`jtate`	`Anyone know how kdebase deals with dbus? Does kdebase define it's own kde dbus bindings?`
`12:46.41`	`jtate`	`annma: you might consider it a lfs, but I'm building my own kde based distro on rpath linux. kde.rpath.org`
`12:47.07`	`annma`	`hmm, did you see the requirements for kde 3.5.4?`
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`12:48.01`	`DexterF`	`will kde3 support cease once kde4 is out?`
`12:48.15`	`jtate`	`annma: I glanced at it.`
`12:48.32`	`jtate`	`dbus >= 0.2x is all it says`
`12:49.02`	`annma`	`DexterF: support as ?`
`12:49.19`	`annma`	`jtate: you only have problem with knetwork manager?`
`12:49.25`	`annma`	`what module is that app in?`
`12:49.34`	`DexterF`	`annma: bugfixing and code revision`
`12:49.49`	`annma`	`DexterF: bugfixing will be done`
`12:49.59`	`annma`	`code revision: what do you mean?`
`12:50.03`	`jtate`	`annma: knetworkmanager is not yet in kde*`
`12:50.15`	`annma`	`jtate: ah`
`12:50.31`	`annma`	`so contact the authors privately`
`12:50.41`	`annma`	`maybe they have a website`
`12:50.47`	`DexterF`	`annma: like: feature X sucks. works, but sucks. will it be polished? example: faster search function in KMail`
`12:51.02`	`annma`	`not sure`
`12:51.17`	`annma`	`developers cannot be on 3 and 4 at the same time`
`12:52.17`	`annma`	`once 4 is out distros will ship it`
`12:52.44`	`annma`	`interest for 3 will fade`
`12:55.21`	`DexterF`	`i doubt that`
`12:56.36`	`logixoul`	`why?`
`12:56.58`	`annma`	`maybe not 4.0, sure`
`12:57.01`	`xushi`	`lo all. erm, i just noticed this and im not sure if its missing or i'm looking the wrong way, but i can't print 'selection' (selected text) in konq as compared to FF.`
`12:57.04`	`annma`	`but 4.1`
`12:57.47`	`DexterF`	`I only upgrade kde when I absolutely can't get around it for consistency reasons - and that's within the 3.x major release.`
`12:57.59`	`logixoul`	`xushi: that's not directly possible, but you can copy it to kwrite and print from there.`
`12:58.06`	`DexterF`	`I seriously don't wanna find out the hard way if upgrading to 4.0 is safe`
`12:58.06`	`annma`	`gotta go, bbl`
`12:58.18`	`annma`	`4.0 won't b safe`
`12:58.23`	`annma`	`4.1 will be safer`
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`12:58.32`	`DexterF`	`then by all means don't call it 4.0`
`13:00.10`	`logixoul`	`DexterF: what do you mean by "safe" here? safe from ouside intrusions?`
`13:03.34`	`DexterF`	`logixoul: "safe" like: will my korganizer appointments still be there, my kmail filters, my taskbar arrangement, launchers, applets, fonts, wallet, fonts, did I mention kde has a tendency to screw up my fonts when I upgrade? these things`
`13:04.09`	`DexterF`	`most of the mentioned got garbled at least once during upgrades within the 3.x series`
`13:04.22`	`logixoul`	`DexterF: everything is safe as long as you backup.`
`13:04.24`	`logixoul`	`;-)`
`13:04.44`	`DexterF`	`uh huh, I learned that the hard way`
`13:05.03`	`logixoul`	`so did i, a week ago PCLOS wiped out my HDD...`
`13:05.17`	`DexterF`	`ah what?`
`13:05.36`	`logixoul`	`PCLinuxOS screwed the partitioning.`
`13:07.12`	`DexterF`	`PCLinuxOS, that new slang for "some other linux distro"?`
`13:07.30`	`Japsu`	`:D`
`13:08.42`	`logixoul`	`DexterF: more like, "yet another distro that'll solve all your problems".`
`13:10.18`	`DexterF`	`by wiping your disk.. interesting approach, but I'd prefer getting me a Mac :)`
`13:12.29`	`logixoul`	`all.`
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`13:23.27`	`DexterF`	`logixoul: oh, all. hm. "don't touch any computer again in your live EV0R" should cover most. only things left then is get filthy fscking rich and figure how to force reincarnating without memory loss`
`13:23.30`	`DexterF`	`mmyup.`
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`13:24.36`	`logixoul`	`i guess so.`
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`13:48.37`	`AegeanLinux`	`Good night everyone, hkBst, Renze`
`13:48.54`	`AegeanLinux`	`hkBst, Renze http://blog.aegeanlinux.be`
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`13:52.06`	`hkBst`	`he :)`
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`13:52.32`	`AegeanLinux`	`:)`
`13:52.59`	`AegeanLinux`	`credit where credits due hey hkBst ?`
`13:53.24`	`hkBst`	`lol :D`
`13:53.45`	`hkBst`	`and then some extra right? :D`
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`13:55.14`	`AegeanLinux`	`hey ?`
`13:55.21`	`hkBst`	`AegeanLinux: there doesn't seem to be a link to the particular site in the blog entry`
`13:56.03`	`AegeanLinux`	`AegeanLinux Home , Home, Notice, I can see 3`
`13:56.31`	`hkBst`	`AegeanLinux: ah of course 8\`
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`13:57.18`	`step`	`can someone tell me please, how can i sign doc's and files from konqueror? It works fine from command line 'kgpg -S file' but can this be done from konq. ? thanx`
`13:58.11`	`logixoul`	`step: kde-apps had something to that effect`
`13:59.12`	`step`	`kde-apps?`
`13:59.25`	`AegeanLinux`	`www.kde-apps.org`
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`14:00.09`	`step`	`kgpg is for all that but can i do this in konq window?`
`14:00.19`	`AegeanLinux`	`Good Night!`
`14:00.25`	`step`	`right mouse click - sign ... etc`
`14:00.53`	`hkBst`	`AegeanLinux: bye (sleeping at 4???)`
`14:01.20`	`step`	`i can see "encrypt" option but no "sign"`
`14:01.26`	`AegeanLinux`	`no, at 00:00`
`14:01.37`	`AegeanLinux`	`24 hour time`
`14:01.44`	`AegeanLinux`	`Its friday here now ;)`
`14:01.47`	`AegeanLinux`	`night all`
`14:01.48`	`AegeanLinux`	`!`
`14:01.54`	`hkBst`	`ok, night`
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`14:21.40`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`why "Don't delete ~./.kde " in the topix?`
`14:21.52`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`who want to delete it?`
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`14:24.46`	`anisfarhana`	`MetaMorfoziS: newbies like me , maybe`
`14:25.16`	`MetaMorfoziS`	`umph`
`14:25.22`	`logixoul`	`MetaMorfoziS: i take it as a joke.`
`14:27.58`	`wizard123`	`:)`
`14:28.59`	`wizard123`	`i just installed archlinux :) that is the last distro i will try. i hope it won't fail my needs like gentoo did.`
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`14:55.05`	`yeason`	`I've been looking around google for a couple days and can't find out how to get the matrix screensaver, I keep reading about it and it seems like it's supposed to be included, where is it? or what package do I need to emerge?`
`14:57.59`	`logixoul`	`cee: it doesn't exist.`
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`15:00.30`	`PhilRod`	`yeason: kdegraphics maybe`
`15:00.51`	`yeason`	`PhilRod: thnx, I'll look into it`
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`15:02.00`	`degantyll`	`yeason: x11-misc/xscreensaver should contain all off the screensavers including Matrix and MatrixGL`
`15:02.02`	`GraveDigger`	`yeason: are u sure, that glmatrix is part of the kde screensavers and not part of the Xscreensavers?`
`15:02.48`	`tech9iner`	`yes though i walk through the valley of the GraveDigger .... i shall fear only bugger'd tech....`
`15:02.50`	`yeason`	`GraveDigger: Not positive, like I said I've been searching google and all I can find is mention that it exists, it's quite possible it's part of Xscreensaver`
`15:03.14`	`GraveDigger`	`de la tech9iner :>`
`15:03.18`	`GraveDigger`	`tech9iner: howdy`
`15:03.18`	`tech9iner`	`lol`
`15:03.19`	`yeason`	`will xscreensaver work nicely without too much trouble?`
`15:03.22`	`tech9iner`	`likewise`
`15:03.23`	`degantyll`	`yeason: it is, emerge xscreensaver it comes with a bunch of screensavers including matrix and matrixgl`
`15:03.26`	`GraveDigger`	`:>`
`15:03.37`	`yeason`	`degantyll: alrighty, thnx`
`15:03.46`	`degantyll`	`yeason: welcome`
`15:04.17`	`yeason`	`degantyll: is xscreensaver high maintenance or should it work pretty easily?`
`15:04.35`	`logixoul`	`yeason: the latter.`
`15:04.43`	`degantyll`	`yeason: it should work pretty easy, kde recognices it ;)`
`15:04.49`	`degantyll`	`just check your use flags`
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`15:05.36`	`yeason`	`degantyll: check the use flags for what exactly...? I admit I know a little linux but I'm still learning a lot`
`15:06.22`	`degantyll`	`yeason: you are on gentoo, right?`
`15:06.31`	`yeason`	`yes`
`15:08.14`	`degantyll`	`haven't you read about USE flags?`
`15:08.28`	`degantyll`	`let me fetch an intro doc for you... hold on`
`15:08.52`	`yeason`	`read about use flags, just wondering what you wanted me to check for`
`15:08.58`	`yeason`	`I know how they work, but I don't know all of them`
`15:09.39`	`degantyll`	`the opengl flag if you want matrixgl`
`15:10.22`	`degantyll`	`else is optional, you can use emerge -va to check what's is enabled`
`15:10.31`	`degantyll`	`before building`
`15:11.06`	`yeason`	`ah ok, I'm on a PII so I'm not sure how well it will take the opengl`
`15:12.08`	`degantyll`	`oh`
`15:12.09`	`degantyll`	`then you shouldn't`
`15:12.42`	`yeason`	`haha, yea, now you know why I went gentoo =) great for taking notes in class tho`
`15:12.55`	`logixoul`	`yeason: in case you got a sexy videocard you wouldn't need a faster cpu.`
`15:13.06`	`degantyll`	`indeed, it's a huge learning experience =D`
`15:13.10`	`yeason`	`I know, it's a laptop`
`15:13.21`	`yeason`	`Go NEOMAGIC`
`15:13.30`	`yeason`	`and all 4mb video memory`
`15:14.03`	`yeason`	`degantyll: even tho at first gentoo can be a littly picky, and some say it's high maintenance I like it`
`15:14.03`	`logixoul`	`w00t.`
`15:14.16`	`degantyll`	`yeason: kewl lap`
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`15:14.38`	`degantyll`	`yeason: indeed, but the big hassle is at the install, after that, it runs smooth withouth much maintenance`
`15:14.47`	`yeason`	`degantyll: I know isn't it! but it was free so whatev`
`15:14.49`	`BlackBsd`	`does amarok have any logs, to look at to see why its crashing? i just upgraded to kde3.5 and recompiled amarok and it keeps crashing`
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`15:15.14`	`degantyll`	`yeason: ohh lucky, i've been trying to get one for some time... I got a 100 Mhz PC though`
`15:15.14`	`logixoul`	`BlackBsd: stderr?`
`15:16.03`	`degantyll`	`BlackBsd: try running amarokapp on the console, it may show you the error`
`15:16.04`	`yeason`	`degantyll: yea I got lucky, some peeps we know were downsizing their biz and wanted to dump some equipment so I jumped on it`
`15:16.05`	`BlackBsd`	`wow thats weird, it crashed now it works..`
`15:16.25`	`degantyll`	`yeason: omg, how can people do that?`
`15:16.36`	`BlackBsd`	`yes running amarokapp from the command line would give me KApplication, crashing`
`15:16.40`	`degantyll`	`yeason: I hate when they dump computes just because windows won't run on it anymore`
`15:16.53`	`degantyll`	`BlackBsd: then you need to build it with debug`
`15:17.01`	`yeason`	`degantyll: it was more of they couldn't use it anymore than winderz didn't run`
`15:17.05`	`degantyll`	`BlackBsd: helped me many times during those CVS builds`
`15:17.18`	`degantyll`	`yeason: too slow for work?`
`15:17.28`	`BlackBsd`	`degantyll, thanks, for some reason, its now working..`
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`15:17.58`	`yeason`	`degantyll: yes/no, they were downsizing and they had newer equipment, so for a biz this thing was pointless to have lying around sucking power doing what a newer comp could do in the background`
`15:17.58`	`degantyll`	`BlackBsd: might have been a DB issue O.o welcome ;)`
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`15:18.20`	`BlackBsd`	`thank you`
`15:18.36`	`degantyll`	`yeason: well, that's reasonable`
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`15:18.50`	`delmonico`	`hi guys. got a strange problem with konqueror. since I moved into my new flat I experience very slow page loading (the connection is much faster). it must be some plugin or setting, because if I start konqueror as another user I don't have this problem... any clues what this could be?`
`15:18.59`	`yeason`	`degantyll: yup, other cool part is it's one of the older dells w/ 2 battery ports! and I have two batts`
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`15:19.15`	`diabel`	`Hi`
`15:19.44`	`BlackBsd`	`now amarok, claims it has a broken TagLib and it cannot find my music.`
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`15:19.48`	`degantyll`	`yeason: so you've got like 5 hours or so?`
`15:19.51`	`degantyll`	`like a mac =P`
`15:19.54`	`BlackBsd`	`i will try to rerun the collection scan.`
`15:20.08`	`marccollin`	`somebody tried the new start menu from opensuse?`
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`15:20.26`	`degantyll`	`you could downgrade... new amarok releases can be problematic at times, best thing to do is to backup amarok's config dir and test`
`15:20.27`	`logixoul`	`marccollin: you mean the svn ver?`
`15:20.27`	`yeason`	`degantyll: I get min of 4, I think one has some bad cells, so I'm gonna swap it out at work (we have same battery types at work =D)`
`15:20.49`	`degantyll`	`yeason: nifty, you are so lucky >_< hahaha`
`15:21.27`	`yeason`	`degantyll: I know, I almost hate myself for i =P`
`15:21.32`	`yeason`	`*it`
`15:21.47`	`marccollin`	`ya the one created by kde and opensuse`
`15:21.49`	`degantyll`	`yeason: hahahaha I gotta go hunting`
`15:21.55`	`marccollin`	`very similar to windows xp...`
`15:22.07`	`degantyll`	`yeason: there's a school getting rid of mainframes... but that's just insane`
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`15:22.35`	`yeason`	`degantyll: haha, awesome, that's how I got this, my mums a school teacher, so she knows a bunch of people, and they all know I look for old equipment`
`15:23.07`	`degantyll`	`yeason: old equipment is really useful, that laptop could even be a server with integrated UPS O.o`
`15:23.36`	`yeason`	`haha, yea, I kinda wish it had two LANs, it would be an awesome smoothwall box for my home connexion`
`15:26.07`	`degantyll`	`yeason: indeed`
`15:26.29`	`degantyll`	`yeason: a 500 Mhz proc with 128 RAM can do quite a lot of things`
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`15:26.54`	`yeason`	`degantyll: haha, yea, considering what this 400mhz will do!`
`15:27.04`	`yeason`	`btw do you know about how long xscreen takes to compile?`
`15:27.11`	`degantyll`	`well`
`15:27.21`	`degantyll`	`it builds every screensaver`
`15:27.25`	`degantyll`	`so I'd say hang on tight`
`15:27.43`	`degantyll`	`at least it's not glibc =P which seems to take hours`
`15:27.58`	`yeason`	`degantyll: haha, no prob, I'm just curious. Other question would be what kind of disk space does it take up when finished?`
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`15:28.13`	`yeason`	`or kde-base, I think that took this thing days, not hours`
`15:28.18`	`degantyll`	`i really have no idea, let me chech if I can calculate it`
`15:28.27`	`yeason`	`ok, cool, thnx`
`15:28.33`	`degantyll`	`yeason: hell yeah, kde-meta took like 3 days on a 1.7Ghz`
`15:29.10`	`yeason`	`wow, I don't think it took this thing that long, although I did ONLY kde-base, figured I wouldn't need the extra anyway`
`15:29.26`	`yeason`	`added games later just incase I get bored in anthro =)`
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`15:29.53`	`degantyll`	`yeason: kpatience is wonderful`
`15:30.01`	`degantyll`	`Im gonna PM you the info I don't wanna be kicked =P`
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`16:47.04`	`bsdfox`	`when I put a cd/dvd in my drive kde is automounting it twice and it normally gives me an error. how can I remove this functionality.. I'd rather just have it do nothing when I insert a disc`
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`16:55.09`	`logixoul`	`bsdfox: does it do the two automountings simultaneously or with some delay?`
`16:55.33`	`bsdfox`	`I think it's at the same time let me test`
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`16:56.08`	`bsdfox`	`same time`
`16:56.14`	`bsdfox`	`it's trying to mount and autoplay a dvd at the same time right now`
`16:56.51`	`bsdfox`	`also it normally double mounts as cdrom0 and cd0 (two icons on desktop)`
`16:57.00`	`bsdfox`	`I'm running freebsd although I doubt that makes a difference`
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`16:57.45`	`logixoul`	`does a "Audio CD - KDE Daemon" dialog or similar pop up?`
`16:58.44`	`bsdfox`	`nope, a copying files (copying something off the cd to /tmp/xxx/krun/xxx) and a mounting cd thing pops up (looks like a file copy dialog)`
`16:59.13`	`bsdfox`	`I think I set it to "always perform this behavior" or something, but I don't want it to anymore and I can't find the place to set it :(`
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`17:00.55`	`madgik85`	`hello, im not sure what happened, but for some reason my desktop wallpaper doesnt show anymore, any help?`
`17:01.18`	`bsdfox`	`can you right click on the desktop?`
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`17:02.04`	`madgik85`	`bsdfox: yep, i tried going through 'Configure Desktop' but nother happens`
`17:02.36`	`madgik85`	`but it does crash when i choose the display tab in that`
`17:02.44`	`bsdfox`	`sounds like you've got some corrupted files or broken packages or something`
`17:02.57`	`bsdfox`	`try reinstalling kde`
`17:03.30`	`madgik85`	`bsdfox: if i reinstall, my config files should stay the same?`
`17:03.40`	`bsdfox`	`yep`
`17:03.51`	`bsdfox`	`just keep /home/username/.kde`
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`17:04.13`	`madgik85`	`bsdfox: ok thanks for help, im off to try that then, thanks`
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`17:04.23`	`bsdfox`	`and /home/username/.kderc`
`17:04.25`	`bsdfox`	`gl`
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`17:07.06`	`cromo`	`hi. I am using up to date arch linux. Since a couple o weeks I no longer am shown the dialog after inserting new device/cd`
`17:07.13`	`cromo`	`also, nothing appears on the desktop`
`17:07.30`	`bsdfox`	`cromo, I'll trade functionality with you`
`17:07.35`	`cromo`	`I checked configuration of desktop and new devices settings, everything seems fine`
`17:07.45`	`bsdfox`	`my kde is trying to automount twice and play a dvd whenver I insert a dvd`
`17:08.00`	`cromo`	`heh`
`17:08.10`	`cromo`	`I guess that's because of hal`
`17:08.19`	`cromo`	`I mean, kde's problems with it`
`17:08.43`	`bsdfox`	`where are the new device settings`
`17:08.46`	`Sho_`	`cromo: hal on BSD? I don't think so`
`17:09.00`	`bsdfox`	`yeah I'm on freebsd btw`
`17:09.37`	`cromo`	`Sho_: BSD? who talks about it?`
`17:10.14`	`Sho_`	`cromo: Given that his nickname is 'bsdfox' I was assuming he's on BSD`
`17:10.36`	`bsdfox`	`good assumption`
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`17:11.55`	`bsdfox`	`cromo, where are the new device settings`
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`17:12.32`	`funman`	`hi`
`17:12.46`	`funman`	`i'm being pretty disgusted by gnome`
`17:12.51`	`funman`	`especially by its developers`
`17:13.10`	`funman`	`i'd like to know how active is the kde developer community`
`17:13.16`	`funman`	`and which relation it has with its users`
`17:13.43`	`funman`	`i may be interested into switching to a new & unknown development platform`
`17:13.48`	`funman`	`but i take informations before :D`
`17:14.22`	`bsdfox`	`I prefer gnome :\`
`17:14.40`	`funman`	`me too`
`17:14.58`	`funman`	`it's beautiful, light guis`
`17:15.06`	`funman`	`but nearly nothing behind it`
`17:15.22`	`cromo`	`bsdfox: kde control center, periprerials, storage device`
`17:15.33`	`bsdfox`	`thanks`
`17:15.36`	`cromo`	`I am assuming it's like this in english, I use other locales`
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`17:17.31`	`cromo`	`wtf. are you guys on #kde channel then?`
`17:17.58`	`cromo`	`err`
`17:17.59`	`cromo`	`nvm`
`17:18.00`	`funman`	`?`
`17:18.01`	`funman`	`:)`
`17:18.05`	`cromo`	`misunderstood`
`17:18.11`	`funman`	`?!?`
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`17:19.30`	`chatty_mcChat`	`Hi all, does anyone know how to direct kde's sound to a different soundcard subdevice with alsa?`
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`17:21.28`	`bsdfox`	`I get this now- "Error - KIOExec" "/mnt/cdrom0 is a folder, but a file was expected"`
`17:22.07`	`bsdfox`	`and it shows an unmounted disc on cdrom0 and a mounted one on cd0`
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`17:33.43`	`cromo`	`bsdfox: I get nothing`
`17:33.46`	`cromo`	`that's even worse`
`17:33.57`	`cromo`	`because I don't know whos fault is it`
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`17:42.39`	`bsdfox`	`what distro`
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`17:58.59`	`fabio_`	`why when I pull from kdesvn, at the end I always get this error: svn: PROPFIND di '/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin': SSL negotiation failed: SSL alert received: Handshake failed (https://svn.kde.org)`
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`18:01.14`	`bsdfox`	`what is a good way of getting KDE to open certain programs (say x-chat and thunderbird) on specific desktops on boot?`
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`18:02.12`	`annma`	`open programs on boot: in autostart`
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`18:02.31`	`pinotree`	`~autostart`
`18:02.41`	`apt`	`To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2560273`
`18:02.42`	`annma`	`on specific desktop: not sure if xchat and thunderbird support it`
`18:02.46`	`pinotree`	`bsdfox: ^^`
`18:02.52`	`annma`	`:)`
`18:02.55`	`pinotree`	`hey annma, didn't see you were back`
`18:03.08`	`annma`	`pinotree: what a complementarity`
`18:03.18`	`bsdfox`	`pinotree, that will help me get them to open on certain desktops? I know how to get them to autostart`
`18:03.21`	`annma`	`pinotree: I met ervin yesteday at Toulouse LUG`
`18:03.33`	`pinotree`	`ah annma, do you know i'm in the eV now?`
`18:03.41`	`annma`	`bsdfox: on specific desktop: not sure if xchat and thunderbird support it`
`18:03.48`	`annma`	`pinotree: :)) yes, carsten told me`
`18:04.02`	`benJIman`	`you can use kstart to start on a specific desktop`
`18:04.08`	`bsdfox`	`annma, they don't`
`18:04.09`	`pinotree`	`bsdfox: you could start the app, wait for it loaded and move it to another desktop with dcop`
`18:04.25`	`bsdfox`	`pinotree, I think that's above my skill level :)`
`18:04.29`	`annma`	`pinotree: dcop on thunderbird?`
`18:04.30`	`bsdfox`	`I've never touched dcop`
`18:04.42`	`pinotree`	`¬.¬`
`18:04.45`	`benJIman`	`you can use kstart to start on specific desktop`
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`18:05.17`	`bsdfox`	`I'm looking into it benji`
`18:05.20`	`benJIman`	`kstart --desktop <desktop number> <app>`
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`18:06.40`	`bsdfox`	`sweet`
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`18:06.46`	`_annma`	`bsdfox: yes, kstart --desktop <number> <appname>`
`18:06.55`	`_annma`	`I did not know that one`
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`18:09.57`	`bsdfox`	`time to test :)`
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`18:12.41`	`ayano`	`is there a hot key to switch between desktops?`
`18:13.01`	`pinotree`	`Ctrl+Fx`
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`18:13.14`	`pinotree`	`where x = <number of desktop you want to reach>`
`18:13.18`	`ayano`	`thank you :)`
`18:13.25`	`ayano`	`your the hero for the day.`
`18:13.30`	`pinotree`	`\o/`
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`18:14.31`	`logixoul`	`ayano: the next time you need to know a shortcut, check kcontrol. it has a full list.`
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`18:15.42`	`ayano`	`I just found a list of them as well, but thank your so much for your help. :)`
`18:16.44`	`bsdfox`	`hmm`
`18:16.53`	`bsdfox`	`everything loaded on desktop 1 for me`
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`18:21.06`	`bsdfox`	`hmm wierd, it seems to work after kde is loaded, but putting it in the autostart loads them all on desktop 1`
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`18:29.53`	`CBMz`	`umm hi, i installed suse 10.1, and got kde 3.5.1 with it, how do i enable superkaramba?`
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`18:30.15`	`pinotree`	`CMoH: run superkaramba`
`18:30.30`	`pinotree`	`a new icon in the system tray will appear`
`18:31.03`	`CBMz`	`bash: superkaramba: command not found`
`18:31.18`	`pinotree`	`then install it ;)`
`18:31.25`	`reallove`	`lol,it is not installed then :)`
`18:31.49`	`CBMz`	`it's not in the repos`
`18:31.58`	`pinotree`	`:S`
`18:32.07`	`pinotree`	`you sure?`
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`18:32.16`	`CBMz`	`yes. search gave me "no results"`
`18:32.24`	`pinotree`	`superkaramba is part of the kdeutils package`
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`18:33.07`	`scottham`	`where can I configure to have num lock enabled by default?`
`18:33.16`	`CBMz`	`well, i have kdeutils3 installed.`
`18:33.31`	`pinotree`	`scottham: kcontrol -> perhiperals -> keyboard`
`18:33.33`	`reallove`	`I did not have superkaramba in slack 10.2`
`18:33.47`	`bsdfox`	`karamba is a resource hog`
`18:33.49`	`reallove`	`I installed it via a package`
`18:33.51`	`CBMz`	`and the description doesn't include superkaramba in it`
`18:34.14`	`scottham`	`thanks.`
`18:34.34`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, you try find another program to monitor your computer and put it on the desktop.`
`18:34.52`	`bsdfox`	`CBMz, I use conky`
`18:35.17`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, is there an rpm version of it?`
`18:35.19`	`scottham`	`how big of a difference is between KDE 3.5 and 3.5.4?`
`18:35.48`	`bsdfox`	`dunno, I've never used an rpm distro.. I'm running freebsd right now`
`18:35.55`	`bsdfox`	`I'm sure you can find an rpm somewhere`
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`18:36.14`	`annma`	`scottham: bug fixes, better docs`
`18:36.21`	`annma`	`scottham: nothing too obvious`
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`18:36.40`	`logixoul`	`especially khtml is a lot more usable now.`
`18:36.45`	`scottham`	`ok.`
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`18:37.10`	`logixoul`	`3.6 won't exist.`
`18:37.11`	`scottham`	`kde 3.5 stable enough for that?`
`18:37.21`	`bsdfox`	`I want kde4`
`18:37.25`	`scottham`	`ok`
`18:37.27`	`annma`	`bsdfox: lol, no`
`18:37.39`	`annma`	`bsdfox: if you want it you gotta work onit!`
`18:37.51`	`logixoul`	`bsdfox: no shit? kinda like, everybody does. :-D`
`18:38.04`	`bsdfox`	`I'm not very good at anything`
`18:38.10`	`sponzor`	`i have 100 lines in kwrite. and the lines are basicly the same exept of the first part. how to i change all 100 at one time? that i wont change line per line?`
`18:38.28`	`annma`	`bsdfox: bah, that's a lame excuse`
`18:38.30`	`logixoul`	`sponzor: search&replace`
`18:38.33`	`annma`	`you can triage bugs`
`18:38.34`	`bsdfox`	`sponzor, you could use sed`
`18:39.19`	`bsdfox`	`someone needs to give me the sources to compile before I can test bugs`
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`18:39.54`	`annma`	`bsdfox: isn't bsd from sources?`
`18:40.02`	`annma`	`i thought so`
`18:40.15`	`sponzor`	`ok i know only to use replace if the lines are the same :P but what if there are some things that are diferent? like i nead to remove all the words that are on the first part of "@" and on the ther side of @ i nead it to be intacted :P`
`18:40.23`	`PhilRod`	`bsdfox: there are tons of easy ways to help kde: contributing money, documentation, tranlations, promotion, beta testing, website work, artwork, user support, bug triage...`
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`18:40.54`	`chatty_mcChat`	`sponzor: you need to use a regular expression serach and replace.`
`18:40.59`	`sponzor`	`* TDI\|mwcyffb (~TDImwcyff@KDAA.D 3222`
`18:41.05`	`bsdfox`	`annma, yeah..?`
`18:41.06`	`sponzor`	`example`
`18:41.38`	`chatty_mcChat`	`I'd need an example of the file`
`18:41.55`	`chatty_mcChat`	`The best thing to use here is sed`
`18:42.08`	`sponzor`	`wait i make print screen ore someting`
`18:42.15`	`PhilRod`	`bsdfox: you don't need sources to do bug triage - a recent version of kde is enough`
`18:42.30`	`chatty_mcChat`	`just give me a line of the file and tell me what you want changed`
`18:42.47`	`logixoul`	`chatty_mcChat: is sed better than kwrite's search&replace for this?`
`18:42.53`	`chatty_mcChat`	`yes`
`18:42.56`	`bsdfox`	`sed 's/stringtobereplaced/stringtoreplaceitwith/'`
`18:43.04`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, i installed conky, and ran it from konsole by typing conky, and i can't drag it, and when i select stuff on my desktop and hit it, the part i hit just dissapears`
`18:43.13`	`logixoul`	`chatty_mcChat: how?`
`18:43.23`	`chatty_mcChat`	`You have more power with regular expressions`
`18:43.24`	`bsdfox`	`CBMz, you need to modify the .conkyrc file in your home directory`
`18:43.43`	`bsdfox`	`conky is very powerful but requires extensive modification to customize to your desires`
`18:43.59`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, it's empty, what should i type in?`
`18:44.13`	`logixoul`	`chatty_mcChat: okay.`
`18:44.32`	`bsdfox`	`CBMz, 1 sec I will post mine online`
`18:44.40`	`KRF`	`what could be the problem, when my fonts are suddenly much smaller than before (after restart)`
`18:45.02`	`PhilRod`	`anyway, if anyone's interested in helping with bug triage, come along to #kde-bugs and we'll help you to get started`
`18:45.11`	`KRF`	`the settings in fonts in control center are the same, but the fonts are displayed smaller`
`18:45.28`	`KRF`	`i had this before, but i don't know anymore how i fixed that`
`18:45.36`	`sponzor`	`chatty_mcChat: i past it to you on privat`
`18:45.54`	`chatty_mcChat`	`I'm not sure if kwrite will use RegExp for search/replace`
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`18:46.15`	`chatty_mcChat`	`I didn't get anything`
`18:46.16`	`sponzor`	`hmm`
`18:46.28`	`sponzor`	`<sponzor> * PiR\|rdvssic (~PiRrdvssi@BSN-77-23-47.dial-up.dsl.siol.net`
`18:46.28`	`sponzor`	`<sponzor> * PiR\|jiahefvk (~PiRjiahef@BSN-61-122-149.dial-up.dsl.siol.net`
`18:46.28`	`sponzor`	`<sponzor> thise are to examples the all words and leaters and signs before @ must be removed`
`18:46.28`	`sponzor`	`<sponzor> and there are like 1000 lines i think`
`18:47.14`	`chatty_mcChat`	`first make a backup of the file`
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`18:47.38`	`sponzor`	`ok`
`18:47.40`	`chatty_mcChat`	`lets say the file is test.txt`
`18:47.50`	`bsdfox`	`CBMz, http://bob.desinc.net/bob-conky.tgz`
`18:48.01`	`chatty_mcChat`	`at bash do:`
`18:48.02`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, Thanks`
`18:48.23`	`PhilRod`	`KRF: maybe your dpi changed somehow - did you change the way KDE starts?`
`18:48.26`	`bsdfox`	`CBMz, that has a few scripts in it that need to be in /home/username/bin to work right`
`18:48.30`	`sponzor`	`k`
`18:49.41`	`chatty_mcChat`	`$ sed '/s/.*@//' test.txt`
`18:49.54`	`KRF`	`no, i don't think i changed something`
`18:50.01`	`chatty_mcChat`	`you might need to play with that.`
`18:50.10`	`KRF`	`how can i check these settings with dpi`
`18:50.15`	`chatty_mcChat`	`Reg. expressions can get confusing`
`18:50.15`	`PhilRod`	`KRF: try with a new user to check, perhaps`
`18:50.18`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, same results, i put the files in place, and restarted conky.`
`18:51.09`	`rdale`	`'s/[^@]*@//' might be handy to stop at the first @`
`18:51.09`	`bsdfox`	`chatty_mcChat, that's not even the right syntax for set`
`18:51.10`	`bsdfox`	`sed`
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`18:51.35`	`chatty_mcChat`	`Also, in the hint I just offered, You cant have any other @'s b4 the first one`
`18:51.41`	`chatty_mcChat`	`It's not?`
`18:51.41`	`bsdfox`	`CBMz, you have .conkyrc in your home directory?`
`18:51.50`	`bsdfox`	`nope`
`18:52.00`	`sponzor`	`i m confused`
`18:52.13`	`chatty_mcChat`	`man sed`
`18:52.13`	`bsdfox`	`awk has the preceding / and sed has the ending one :p`
`18:52.21`	`CBMz`	`bsdfox, oh, oops, it was named the same name, without the .`
`18:52.31`	`sponzor`	`s/[^@]*@//`
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`18:52.33`	`sponzor`	`thise one works`
`18:52.37`	`sponzor`	`but it doesnt save it`
`18:52.38`	`sponzor`	`:P`
`18:52.48`	`bsdfox`	`sponzor, > text.txt`
`18:52.51`	`bsdfox`	`:)`
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`18:53.11`	`chatty_mcChat`	`sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]`
`18:53.22`	`bsdfox`	`?`
`18:53.34`	`chatty_mcChat`	`the / are just delimiters, you could use another char. some ppl use \|`
`18:53.50`	`sponzor`	`hmm`
`18:54.00`	`bsdfox`	`it still doesn't work with one in front of the s/`
`18:54.49`	`chatty_mcChat`	`oh right... sorry. thats wrong`
`18:54.59`	`sponzor`	`sed 's/[^@]*@//' test.txt`
`18:55.00`	`sponzor`	`this works`
`18:55.06`	`sponzor`	`but it doesnt save to test.txt`
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`18:55.22`	`chatty_mcChat`	`sed 's/[^@]*@//' test.txt > test.txt`
`18:55.29`	`sponzor`	`tnx`
`18:55.31`	`bsdfox`	`uh`
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`18:55.37`	`bsdfox`	`I'm not sure you can do thatt`
`18:55.39`	`PhilRod`	`chatty_mcChat: does that work? I've had problems trying to do that`
`18:55.45`	`sponzor`	`ok`
`18:55.49`	`sponzor`	`its empty :P`
`18:55.50`	`bsdfox`	`you need to use an intermediate swap file`
`18:55.52`	`PhilRod`	`I use perl -pi.orig -e 's,whatever'`
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`18:56.06`	`chatty_mcChat`	`sed 's/[^@]*@//' test.txt > test.new`
`18:56.19`	`bsdfox`	`sed 's/[^@]*@//' test.txt > test2.txt && mv test2.txt test.txt`
`18:57.12`	`sponzor`	`ok that works`
`18:57.14`	`sponzor`	`tnx very much`
`18:57.37`	`chatty_mcChat`	`Im pretty new at using sed.`
`18:57.43`	`chatty_mcChat`	`it's a challenge`
`18:58.24`	`PhilRod`	`(but not perl in general :-)`
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`18:58.44`	`chatty_mcChat`	`I never got into perl`
`18:58.46`	`bsdfox`	`chatty_mcChat, telling people to do this is bad sed 's/[^@]*@//' test.txt > test.txt`
`18:58.47`	`KRF`	`PhilRod, with new user it's ok`
`18:59.10`	`KRF`	`mh`
`18:59.13`	`rdale`	`it looks like russian roulette to me`
`18:59.22`	`PhilRod`	`chatty_mcChat: me neither - the docs are a pain in the neck to use, but it's nice for what it does best (take in a file, chew it up, spit it out)`
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`18:59.47`	`PhilRod`	`KRF: you could try renaming ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals`
`19:00.04`	`chatty_mcChat`	`I was once planning to write some stuff in it, but decided on python.`
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`19:00.55`	`KRF`	`ok`
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`19:02.05`	`KRF`	`hm, i don't have that file`
`19:02.21`	`PhilRod`	`chatty_mcChat: yeah, the slight awkwardness of python for stuff like reading files and using regexps seems worth it when you compare its documentation to perl's :-)`
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`19:02.38`	`KRF`	`hm, damn, sure. i have it :>`
`19:02.38`	`PhilRod`	`chatty_mcChat: anyway, we should stop this discussion lest we cause a language war :-)`
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`19:02.56`	`chatty_mcChat`	`No war!`
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`19:09.24`	`KRF`	`hm, sans serif 7. is that very small for you?`
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`19:17.12`	`logixoul`	`KRF: my main font is sans serif 17 -_-`
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`19:17.36`	`micmac`	`Hi all`
`19:18.09`	`PhilRod`	`hi micmac`
`19:18.17`	`logixoul`	`micmac: microphone macintosh? o_o`
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`19:29.44`	`Shirakawasuna`	`anyone?`
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`19:29.49`	`Shirakawasuna`	`is it possible to use esd instead of arts?`
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`19:31.21`	`PhilRod`	`if you don't want to use arts, just wait around for a minute and someone will pop up telling you how arts sucks and how to avoid using it :-)`
`19:32.07`	`Shirakawasuna`	`oh no worries, I hate arts`
`19:32.12`	`degantyll`	`me too`
`19:32.22`	`Shirakawasuna`	`but I do have a crappy sound card and would like some kind of mixing option`
`19:32.24`	`Pinaraf`	`Shirakawasuna: ESD, like Arts, are quite obsolete now`
`19:32.25`	`lostson`	`why would someone say that hehe`
`19:32.37`	`Shirakawasuna`	`Pinaraf: due to phonon?`
`19:32.38`	`degantyll`	`esd is quite faster than arts`
`19:32.39`	`Pinaraf`	`there's dmix in alsa, it works`
`19:32.58`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I haven't figured out dmix yet...the gentoo wiki is a bit confusing on the issue`
`19:33.02`	`Pinaraf`	`due to ALSA and DMix (but not limited to them)`
`19:33.08`	`Pinaraf`	`dmix is the solution`
`19:33.18`	`Shirakawasuna`	`ok`
`19:33.23`	`Pinaraf`	`really...`
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`19:38.28`	`micmac`	`Shirakawasuna, problem is prolly that the alsa docs are confusing in the first place :)`
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`19:44.25`	`Shirakawasuna`	`indeed`
`19:44.29`	`Shirakawasuna`	`dmix is confusing >_<`
`19:45.42`	`micmac`	`And a lot more of the stuff you can put in an asoundrc`
`19:45.50`	`micmac`	`At least that's my opinion.`
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`19:48.52`	`GraveDigger`	`:>`
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`19:50.57`	`micmac`	`I'm can't use https in konqueror anymore since I upgraded openssl from 0.9.7k to 0.9.8c. I already rebuilt all the software linking against the old libs. Could recompiling kdelibs help?`
`19:51.19`	`PhilRod`	`urgh, openssl versions`
`19:51.35`	`micmac`	`Yeah, don't get me started :-)`
`19:51.48`	`PhilRod`	`but if you haven't recompiled kdelibs since you change openssl versions, you probably need to`
`19:52.08`	`micmac`	`Allthough it's not linked against the old libs?`
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`19:53.20`	`micmac`	`http://www.kde.org/info/requirements/3.5.php says kdelibs uses openssl. That's where I got the idea that recompiling kdelibs could be worth a shot.`
`19:53.50`	`PhilRod`	`kdelibs might use openssl via qt, although I think it uses it directly`
`19:53.52`	`micmac`	`I got nothing of the other stuff mentioned on the mentioned website (kdebase, kdenetwork and kdepim)`
`19:53.56`	`PhilRod`	`uses, links against, whatever`
`19:54.15`	`PhilRod`	`leave you distributor to worry about dependencies :-)`
`19:54.47`	`micmac`	`It does, deps are fine`
`19:55.24`	`micmac`	`I hope recompiling kdelibs solves this. Recompiling qt's a bummer`
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`19:55.31`	`micmac`	`:) Takes too long`
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`19:56.08`	`iron999mike`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:56.24`	`Japsu`	`iron999mike: congratulations, you lose`
`19:56.25`	`micmac`	`hehehe`
`19:56.31`	`MinceR`	`pwned`
`19:56.36`	`iron999mike`	`thanks how in the hell do i register`
`19:56.41`	`Japsu`	`iron999mike: just like that`
`19:56.51`	`Japsu`	`iron999mike: but without the space before the / :D`
`19:56.53`	`PhilRod`	`...but without the space at the beginning of the line`
`19:56.59`	`micmac`	`iron999mike, /msg nickserv help`
`19:57.03`	`PhilRod`	`and with a different password :-)`
`19:57.04`	`tuxick`	`kate cries when saving: "The selected encoding cannot encode every unicode character in this document."`
`19:57.07`	`MinceR`	`also, choose a different password now :>`
`19:57.07`	`tuxick`	`why?`
`19:57.11`	`iron999mike`	`probably should change my password huh`
`19:57.12`	`tuxick`	`there's no unicode there`
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`19:57.23`	`iron999mike`	`ha ha`
`19:57.28`	`Japsu`	`tuxick: use utf-8, you'll be happier`
`19:57.30`	`Japsu`	`:)`
`19:57.44`	`PhilRod`	`tuxick: put test doc online somewhere? does it work if you change the encoding before saving? does it happen for every document or just one?`
`19:58.45`	`tuxick`	`when i'm editing .html :)`
`19:58.54`	`tuxick`	`i suppose it's a setting somewhere`
`19:59.10`	`tuxick`	`and you don't use utf-8 in html :)`
`20:00.23`	`Japsu`	`yes you do`
`20:00.45`	`Japsu`	`because the first line of the html file is, of course, <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> :)`
`20:00.54`	`tuxick`	`no`
`20:01.01`	`tuxick`	`nothing`
`20:01.08`	`tuxick`	`it's to be included in a php`
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`20:01.38`	`Japsu`	`So the php should say header("Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8") or something like that. :)`
`20:01.42`	`tuxick`	`don't want anything funky`
`20:01.56`	`Japsu`	`unicode is the way`
`20:01.56`	`Japsu`	`.`
`20:01.57`	`degantyll`	`you can also define the encoding in the .htaccess file`
`20:01.58`	`tuxick`	`of the future yes`
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`20:02.10`	`tuxick`	`i'll leave that until more software agrees`
`20:02.17`	`tuxick`	`anyway! kate is the issue now`
`20:02.43`	`Japsu`	`web browsers agree!`
`20:02.51`	`tuxick`	`that's a start`
`20:03.17`	`tuxick`	`explains the number or question marks i see on teh interweb`
`20:03.26`	`Japsu`	`lol`
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`20:03.50`	`Japsu`	`tuxick: either you're missing necessary fonts (install dejavu) or you're using a retarded browser (install konqueror)`
`20:04.12`	`Japsu`	`dejavu doesn't contain _all_ the glyphs but dejavu's a start`
`20:04.58`	`Japsu`	`for example, korean, japanese and chinese are displayed correctly on my box`
`20:08.06`	`tuxick`	`Japsu: i use all browsers, kinda have to`
`20:08.09`	`tuxick`	`well, i use konq`
`20:08.13`	`tuxick`	`but i need them all`
`20:08.40`	`tuxick`	`most sites showing crap are crap to start with`
`20:08.47`	`tuxick`	`pasted from msoffice etc`
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`20:11.19`	`MinceR`	`and all browsers suck`
`20:11.40`	`tuxick`	`that's a fact`
`20:12.04`	`tuxick`	`weak points in konq are javascript and ()#*%()#$%nspluginviewer`
`20:12.11`	`tuxick`	`it handles css pretty ok`
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`20:44.14`	`tuxick`	`Japsu: IE6 under wine is one example where i rather see " :)`
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`20:52.03`	`AoA`	`why konqueror doesnt support UTF-8`
`20:52.23`	`wizard123`	`AoA: !true`
`20:52.34`	`AoA`	`I know it is true`
`20:52.38`	`wizard123`	`it supports utf-8 very well`
`20:52.47`	`wizard123`	`and learn that ! = not`
`20:53.05`	`AoA`	`yes, but when I type something on cyrilic it display mi "?????"`
`20:53.23`	`AoA`	`I think that "!=" is NOT`
`20:53.26`	`MinceR`	`maybe you don't have cyrillic fonts`
`20:53.34`	`MinceR`	`!= is not equal, ! is not`
`20:53.48`	`AoA`	`<MinceR> but I have 3000 fonts and 200 of tham is cyrilic`
`20:53.48`	`wizard123`	`MinceR: than he would see squares`
`20:54.12`	`wizard123`	`AoA: i can write cyrrylic in konq`
`20:54.13`	`AoA`	`<MinceR> I didnt know that`
`20:54.23`	`wizard123`	`AoA: what locale did you set?`
`20:54.33`	`AoA`	`<wizard123> Yes, I can to, but I cannot save that filename`
`20:54.45`	`AoA`	`I set en_US.utf8`
`20:55.07`	`wizard123`	`and what lang do you have in kde?`
`20:55.35`	`AoA`	`I dont know`
`20:55.42`	`AoA`	`I have english`
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`20:58.34`	`AoA`	`MinceR , if ! is NOT, what is YES ??`
`20:58.52`	`MinceR`	`you don't need to specify that`
`20:59.07`	`AoA`	`ahy`
`20:59.19`	`AoA`	`I thing there is TRUE or FALSE`
`20:59.25`	`AoA`	`or YES or NOT`
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`21:01.04`	`bobbyd`	`hi`
`21:01.32`	`PhilRod`	`hi bobbyd`
`21:01.43`	`bobbyd`	`is it possible to be able to double-click a shell script in kde and have it open a terminal and run the script?`
`21:01.57`	`bobbyd`	`when I double-click a script in Ubuntu at the moment, nothing happens`
`21:02.05`	`bobbyd`	`(Kubuntu I should say...)`
`21:02.19`	`PhilRod`	`should be`
`21:02.42`	`PhilRod`	`change the file association to "konsole -e %f"`
`21:02.47`	`PhilRod`	`that might work`
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`21:04.48`	`bobbyd`	`ok`
`21:06.09`	`bobbyd`	`PhilRod, thanks, I'll try that`
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`21:17.58`	`MinceR`	`iron999mike: please turn that off`
`21:20.37`	`PhilRod`	`MinceR: did you post that rant the other day?`
`21:20.48`	`PhilRod`	`I enjoyed it greatly - haven't read a good rant in a while`
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`21:31.54`	`MinceR`	`PhilRod: possibly`
`21:32.00`	`MinceR`	`i didn't write it though`
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`21:44.21`	`_acesuares_`	`hi all`
`21:44.36`	`_acesuares_`	`I am running into trouble with kmail`
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`21:45.03`	`PhilRod`	`_acesuares_: go ahead`
`21:45.03`	`_acesuares_`	`when I move messages with the right-klik 'move to' there are a lot of folders, and if I move over them the subfolder jumps up`
`21:45.20`	`_acesuares_`	`too quick, before I arrived at the folder I wqant to dive into`
`21:45.40`	`_acesuares_`	`I am sure it's somewherein KDE I can change that setting - the delay time before a submenu pops up.`
`21:45.49`	`_acesuares_`	`I can't find it however... can you help ?`
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`21:48.56`	`PhilRod`	`I don't know of a setting to change that`
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`21:50.19`	`_acesuares_`	`It's unworkable && it's Open Source => there must be a setting that can change that :-)`
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`21:54.07`	`PhilRod`	`I'm not quite sure I understand the problem though - are you just saying that submenus appear which you aren't going to use?`
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`22:00.42`	`iron999mike`	`MinceR: I have no problem turning oof the away message. But I am a newbie and i am curious why. Does it constantly spam?`
`22:00.58`	`MinceR`	`it does when you change state, apparently`
`22:01.01`	`MinceR`	`and it's annoying`
`22:01.20`	`MinceR`	`i don't want to rant about it, read this instead, it makes a good point imo >> http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html`
`22:01.32`	`iron999mike`	`Sorry. I was unaware. I will not use it again. Thanks`
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`22:19.13`	`shevegen`	`anyone knows what Terminal=false is in a .desktop file, or where i could find docu about it?`
`22:19.28`	`Renze`	`it means "Don't run this in a terminal"`
`22:20.25`	`pinotree`	`shevegen: freedesktop.org, "Standard" section, .desktop files specifications`
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`22:20.41`	`shevegen`	`thx`
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`22:27.57`	`funky`	`heya`
`22:28.12`	`funky`	`is there a way to save sessions in konqueror?`
`22:28.41`	`Renze`	`save a profile`
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`22:31.02`	`funky`	`I see, but is there any form to do it automatically, I mean not needing to save/restore each time the profile`
`22:31.14`	`Renze`	`not that I'm aware of`
`22:31.21`	`funky`	`ok`
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`22:33.51`	`bobbyd`	`funky, konqueror will preserve it's session if you log out and log in again...`
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`22:34.06`	`bobbyd`	`funky, and you can bookmark a load of tabs...`
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`22:35.17`	`reagleBRKLN`	`is there a way to have ksystemtray keep the app (iconify it) even if I give a ^Q in the app?`
`22:35.33`	`funky`	`yep, I knew the bookmark method`
`22:35.36`	`Renze`	`reagleBRKLN: that is up to the app, not the system tray`
`22:35.41`	`reagleBRKLN`	`ok`
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`22:36.30`	`AssociateX`	`Hello people`
`22:37.20`	`reagleBRKLN`	`i don't suppose there's a way to force an existing instance of a non-KDE program (e.g., freemind or jedit) to open a document in that existing instance instead of creating a new one?`
`22:37.23`	`funky`	`bobbyd: you mean loggin off/on of kde, having automatic session save in my conf`
`22:37.28`	`AssociateX`	`why does kde use ~/.local/share/Trash/ now?`
`22:37.36`	`bobbyd`	`funky, yes`
`22:37.56`	`Renze`	`AssociateX: because that is the freedesktop.org standard`
`22:37.58`	`funky`	`but I'd like to maintain the state when I close and re-open konqueror, as opera and ff + session saver ext. does`
`22:38.11`	`AssociateX`	`Renze, thank you.`
`22:39.48`	`PhilRod`	`reagleBRKLN: if that app has a command line option to do it, yes. If not, no`
`22:40.01`	`PhilRod`	`(eg, kate has "-u" to use an existing kate instance)`
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`22:40.04`	`reagleBRKLN`	`PhilRod: that's what I feared. thanks for the help`
`22:40.35`	`reagleBRKLN`	`yes, kate and all KDE apps (via dcop) can do stuff like that pretty well`
`22:40.38`	`Theory`	`if the app has some kind of scripting interface`
`22:40.54`	`Theory`	`then you can write a script to use it to open the file, and assocate the filetype with that script`
`22:41.07`	`reagleBRKLN`	`too bad freemind is in java :) : http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page`
`22:41.35`	`reagleBRKLN`	`Theory: you mean like a: /File/Open sorta sequence... don't know if one can do that with java apps`
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`22:43.29`	`AssociateX`	`Renze, that's awesome. Thank you for the info.`
`22:43.38`	`Renze`	`AssociateX: no problem`
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`22:45.07`	`Theory`	`reagleBRKLN depending on what you are doing with it you could try kdissert or CMapTools`
`22:46.11`	`reagleBRKLN`	`yea, FM is great though --except for java`
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`22:58.19`	`tburdick`	`is there any online plans for konqueror in kde4?`
`22:58.36`	`PhilRod`	`not that I know of`
`23:00.07`	`AssociateX`	`kde4! Yippy, I can hardly wait.`
`23:00.26`	`BrigadierFrog`	`hmm.. I guess i'm interested in knowing if they plan on cleaning up the views for each kpart in konqueror`
`23:00.48`	`BrigadierFrog`	`I know you can do profiles, but that still leaves the menu's kind of all clumped together`
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`23:10.21`	`usuario`	`hi`
`23:10.23`	`usuario`	`hihihihi`
`23:10.39`	`usuario`	`no one here?`
`23:10.59`	`padde`	`nope`
`23:11.05`	`Renze`	`nobody here but us chickens`
`23:11.30`	`usuario`	`:)`
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`23:13.37`	`bluekb`	`Where would I find out about how to configure the taskbar?`
`23:13.42`	`Jonny0stars`	`any one know any good tutorials on how to make window decorations ?`
`23:14.03`	`bluekb`	`I need the tasks to be wider.`
`23:14.29`	`Renze`	`Jonny0stars: there was one on kde-look.org, I believe`
`23:14.50`	`Jonny0stars`	`there is ?`
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`23:15.48`	`Renze`	`Jonny0stars: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6332`
`23:16.45`	`Jonny0stars`	`Renze: thanks alot`
`23:16.51`	`Renze`	`no problem`
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`23:48.38`	`visik7`	`does kde 3.8 has composit ?`
`23:49.00`	`pinotree`	`?`
`23:49.03`	`bsdfox`	`?`
`23:49.19`	`Sho_`	`visik7: no`
`23:49.41`	`visik7`	`:(`
`23:49.49`	`Renze`	`when was 3.8 released? I think I missed it :D`
`23:49.50`	`Sho_`	`pinotree, bsdfox: I assume he's asking if the KDE4 snapshot "Krash", which bears a KDE 3.8 version number, includes the kwin_composite branch`
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`23:50.12`	`pinotree`	`wasn't 3.80`
`23:50.14`	`pinotree`	`?`
`23:50.41`	`visik7`	`Sho_: yes, that is the long version :)`
`23:50.52`	`lgsobalvarro`	`get a life, Janitux :D`
`23:51.19`	`Sho_`	`pinotree: iirc it was 3.8.90 or something`
`23:51.21`	`pinotree`	`visik7: the work is in a separate branch, as TheGood(tm) Sho_ said`
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