| 00:00.12 | greentomate | its weird because i remember when i first started that install it was set to 60hz but sometime later i was able to select 80 |
| 00:00.22 | chahibi | Oh, I can't Configure Kwrite in KDE 3.5.3 . A menu entry is missing and replaced by Configure Toolbar. |
| 00:00.24 | greentomate | now im on a new install and its the same thing |
| 00:01.30 | frb-away | chahibi: there is nothing to configure in kwrite |
| 00:01.54 | Renze | chahibi: yes, that's a known KDE bug :) |
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| 00:32.02 | omeow | Hi. I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to add a second system tray to the kicker. But I'm having no luck. Does anyone know? |
| 00:32.14 | omeow | I did manage to add a secondary clock. |
| 00:33.07 | omeow | (I'm using dual screen setup.) |
| 00:34.03 | Renze | there can only be one system tray per KDE session |
| 00:34.24 | omeow | Oh ok. |
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| 00:58.35 | greentomate | is there any way to force a fresh rate for kde? |
| 00:58.49 | greentomate | i have a modeline for 85hz but kde isnt allowing me to select it |
| 00:58.49 | Renze | it's X's job, not KDE's |
| 00:59.01 | greentomate | ill post my xorg.conf |
| 00:59.09 | Renze | KDE doesn't handle resolutions or refresh rates |
| 00:59.37 | Renze | if X determines that your monitor is incapable of the refresh rate, it will be disabled |
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| 01:00.15 | greentomate | http://pastebin.ca/77426 |
| 01:00.17 | greentomate | oh |
| 01:00.19 | greentomate | hmm |
| 01:01.36 | greentomate | x doesnt like any of my modlines then |
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| 01:26.09 | shellsage | I finally started connecting to port 8001 to avoid the router vuln causing my IRC disconnects. :D |
| 01:26.34 | Jejem | huhu |
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| 01:39.38 | JoeBlacken | Hi, how to set the clock applet to work in the 12 hours mode instead of the 24 hours mode? |
| 01:40.14 | tech9iner | g'day mates.. |
| 01:40.17 | tech9iner | any mates know the flag i need to get kmail to open composer With url send from firefox 'send link' calls please?.. tx currently ive got all my ffx to kmail 'mailto:' bits workn.. but the ffx 'send link' opens blank composer.. doesnt grab the url sent?.. tx i suck at manpages / geek manuals.. it may be here but im not finding/parsing it mates.. thanks.. |
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| 01:40.57 | Renze | JoeBlacken: Control Centre -> Regional & Accessibility -> Country/Region & Language, Time & Dates tab, change the Time Format: option using the arrow at the end. |
| 01:41.30 | JoeBlacken | Renze, I did that, it didn't change |
| 01:41.43 | Renze | JoeBlacken: strange... it works for me |
| 01:42.00 | tech9iner | some changes in kde need logout / login step to complete btw JoeBlacken ;] |
| 01:42.10 | Renze | that particular change doesn't |
| 01:42.23 | tech9iner | tx Renze .. |
| 01:42.58 | narg | Can kpdf read encrypted 7.0 pdfs? |
| 01:43.06 | Renze | JoeBlacken: you changed it to pH:MM:SS AMPM? |
| 01:43.17 | JoeBlacken | Renze, yes |
| 01:43.28 | Renze | and it doesn't change your clock? |
| 01:44.28 | JoeBlacken | Renze, no, it is changed in the preview in that same Contro Center page, but not in th applet. I even tried removing the clock applet and adding it again, and it is still unchanged |
| 01:44.48 | Renze | JoeBlacken: removing/readding should definitely have changed it |
| 01:45.08 | JoeBlacken | Renze, but it didn't |
| 01:45.34 | Renze | JoeBlacken: what distro/KDE version? |
| 01:45.58 | JoeBlacken | Renze, FC5/ 3.5.2 |
| 01:47.05 | JoeBlacken | Renze, Maybe I should change it as a root, I will check this now |
| 01:47.07 | Renze | KDE version is OK... iffy about the FC though :) |
| 01:49.30 | Renze | root won't make a difference, it's changing user settings |
| 01:49.37 | JoeBlacken | Renze, I will try to restart and see |
| 01:49.42 | Renze | ok |
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| 01:52.30 | JoeBlacken | Renze, it is worked ok, all it needed is just a logout and login |
| 01:52.50 | JoeBlacken | Renze, thanx |
| 01:53.32 | Renze | no problem |
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| 01:58.40 | AssociateX | Hello people |
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| 02:02.20 | stoned | is there a dvd tool in kde to let me copy dvd to avi or something |
| 02:02.28 | stoned | I can't find anything on google |
| 02:02.37 | stoned | and I'm pretty sure I'm not blind hehe |
| 02:02.49 | Renze | k3b used to do it, but that part hasn't been maintained |
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| 02:03.59 | rash502 | did some body have converted rm to any format? |
| 02:04.01 | Renze | I should try again and see if it works now |
| 02:04.01 | rash502 | mp3 or wav? |
| 02:04.13 | rash502 | hi all:) |
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| 02:05.25 | rash502 | is ther a soft ware that can convert rm "real player" to mp3? |
| 02:05.33 | Renze | not that I know of |
| 02:05.40 | rash502 | aha |
| 02:05.50 | Renze | realaudio sounds like crap anyway |
| 02:05.53 | rash502 | so no way to do it in linux |
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| 02:06.27 | rash502 | you are right but i have meny presentations in realplayer |
| 02:06.45 | rash502 | i need to convert to my mp3 player |
| 02:07.15 | Renze | rash502: http://swen.antville.org/stories/735413/ |
| 02:07.27 | stoned | Renze, hi man |
| 02:07.37 | rash502 | i will see that |
| 02:07.37 | stoned | so what can I use to easily copy dvd to harddirsk |
| 02:07.38 | Renze | hi stoned |
| 02:07.47 | Renze | stoned: k3b |
| 02:07.49 | rash502 | :) |
| 02:07.51 | stoned | oh really |
| 02:07.52 | stoned | wow |
| 02:07.57 | stoned | I did not know it could do that |
| 02:08.01 | stoned | which option should I select |
| 02:08.02 | stoned | Im in it right now |
| 02:08.03 | Renze | and I think they have the encoding working again too |
| 02:08.13 | Renze | hold on... it's been a while |
| 02:08.39 | stoned | i'd really apprecaite it |
| 02:08.40 | stoned | thanks man |
| 02:08.51 | stoned | im somewhat limited on time |
| 02:08.58 | stoned | its my neighbours dvd |
| 02:09.02 | stoned | very rare and you can't buy it anymore either |
| 02:09.07 | Renze | sorry, that part still hasn't been maintained, it seems :( |
| 02:09.13 | stoned | so anything else I can duse |
| 02:09.17 | stoned | I am in debian sid |
| 02:09.25 | Renze | decss? |
| 02:09.29 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:09.31 | Renze | never used it myself |
| 02:09.32 | stoned | how about this |
| 02:09.42 | stoned | how can i make a 1:1 copy of the dvd as iso format |
| 02:09.48 | stoned | then I can just mount the iso and watch it |
| 02:09.51 | stoned | can I do that? |
| 02:09.58 | stoned | like copy the file to blah.iso |
| 02:10.04 | stoned | then mount it as cloop |
| 02:10.13 | Renze | dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/output.iso |
| 02:10.13 | stoned | and tell mplayer to use the mount point as dvd drive |
| 02:10.15 | stoned | oh just dd |
| 02:10.16 | stoned | ok |
| 02:10.20 | stoned | lets hope it works |
| 02:10.21 | stoned | thanks brb |
| 02:11.37 | stoned | hey is there a verbose mode of dd |
| 02:11.37 | stoned | ? |
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| 02:11.46 | stoned | nm I can just read the manpage |
| 02:13.35 | rash502 | Renze:this tools for windows |
| 02:13.38 | rash502 | right |
| 02:13.52 | Renze | it is? it said linux |
| 02:13.52 | rash502 | i need some thing for linux |
| 02:14.21 | rash502 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.24 | rash502 | i find some thing |
| 02:17.26 | Renze | oh... google lied to me, I guess |
| 02:17.40 | rash502 | i will try mplayer |
| 02:17.48 | rash502 | i will see |
| 02:17.55 | rash502 | see you tomorw |
| 02:18.02 | rash502 | i must sleed |
| 02:18.05 | rash502 | sleep |
| 02:18.11 | Renze | rash502: http://linuxathome.com/index.php?p=91 |
| 02:19.07 | rash502 | Ranze:thank you so much |
| 02:19.17 | rash502 | see you leter |
| 02:19.24 | rash502 | good night |
| 02:19.27 | rash502 | bye |
| 02:19.30 | rash502 | :) |
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| 02:22.06 | Mongey | i need help getting 3d acceration working |
| 02:22.12 | Mongey | i have a nvidia 7600gt |
| 02:22.42 | Renze | install nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, make sure the nvidia kernel module is being loaded at startup, and set the X driver to nvidia |
| 02:22.46 | Dhraakellian | is it just me, or does konqi seem less responsive than it used to be? |
| 02:22.54 | Renze | Dhraakellian: it's just you |
| 02:23.09 | Dhraakellian | well, I'm half considering downgrading to 3.5.2 |
| 02:23.17 | Dhraakellian | mostly because of the adblock issue |
| 02:23.24 | Renze | adblock issue? |
| 02:23.30 | Renze | adblock works like a charm for me |
| 02:23.59 | Tomasu | does anyone know if k3b supports transparent [de]compression? |
| 02:24.05 | Dhraakellian | http://img121.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konqi353badlyrenderingnewsforg.png |
| 02:24.23 | Dhraakellian | turning off adblock gets rid of the problem |
| 02:24.28 | Renze | is that because of adblock? |
| 02:24.54 | Dhraakellian | htere are a couple other sites that have rendering issues only when adblock is enabled |
| 02:25.09 | Dhraakellian | and that fart button ad gets annoying |
| 02:25.30 | Dhraakellian | adblock with filters imported from firefox's filterset.g extension a while back |
| 02:25.58 | Dhraakellian | although perhaps I should try without any filters |
| 02:26.06 | Dhraakellian | or very few |
| 02:26.09 | Dhraakellian | or something |
| 02:26.58 | Dhraakellian | I've generally been getting less and less satisfied with konqueror lately for some reason |
| 02:27.12 | Dhraakellian | and now that I have that kgtk thing for the file dialog in firefox... |
| 02:27.21 | Renze | it works like a dream for all the sites I visit regularly |
| 02:27.44 | Renze | even with an enormously long adblock set |
| 02:28.05 | Dhraakellian | well, I lose a lot of schlockmercenary.com with adblock enabled |
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| 02:28.26 | Dhraakellian | including navigation buttons |
| 02:28.36 | FluxLover|AFK| | Why not just use firefox... |
| 02:28.53 | Renze | adblock in konq is still *very* new |
| 02:29.09 | Renze | because firefox doesn't support kioslaves |
| 02:29.30 | Dhraakellian | FluxLover|AFK|: little things |
| 02:29.32 | hagebake | hello Komrades! |
| 02:30.01 | Dhraakellian | a lot of things that can be attributed to the fact that Firefox uses XUL/gtk and such |
| 02:30.12 | Dhraakellian | instead of Qt/KDE |
| 02:30.18 | Dhraakellian | kioslaves being one |
| 02:30.52 | Dhraakellian | another being that using the scrollwheel on a horizontal scrollbar doesn't scroll horizontally |
| 02:31.20 | Dhraakellian | (which is xul's fault, I believe, since I've seen it work properly in a couple gtk apps) |
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| 02:58.19 | FluxLover|AFK| | Anyone use KXDocker? |
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| 03:16.00 | raden | anyone tell me how to backup my kmail files ? |
| 03:17.30 | grepper | depends what you mean |
| 03:18.04 | grepper | the actual mail or the config files for the application |
| 03:19.19 | grepper | ~/Mail/ is where my mail lives from kmail |
| 03:19.22 | apt | ...but /mail/ is already something else... |
| 03:19.55 | Renze | silly bot |
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| 03:21.24 | greentomate | hey im trying to link to a location on my hdd with ksmoothdock. i cant do url so what cmd should i use? kmfclient something?? |
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| 03:22.11 | greentomate | for example i want to put a system:/ link |
| 03:22.46 | Renze | kfmclient openURL system:/ |
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| 03:24.33 | Renze | for filesystem locations use kfmclient openURL /path/to/blah |
| 03:25.08 | greentomate | wow thanks |
| 03:25.10 | greentomate | :D |
| 03:25.23 | Renze | no problem |
| 03:25.52 | greentomate | what about doing a link to a device (cdrom) on my desktop? |
| 03:26.05 | greentomate | is there any easy way to do that? |
| 03:26.29 | Renze | kfmclient openURL media:/hdc ? |
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| 03:26.56 | greentomate | ill try that |
| 03:27.15 | Renze | I'm assuming your cdrom drive is master on second IDE controller |
| 03:27.21 | cmak | hello, anyone knows why kde sets Xft.antialias: 0 ? |
| 03:27.22 | greentomate | yeah it is hdc |
| 03:27.33 | Renze | cmak: kde doesn't set that |
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| 03:28.05 | cmak | Renze, i have it set to one in my Xdefaults and load it but kdeinit or something changes it |
| 03:28.22 | SkyBlueshoes | how do I install packages into KDE using Debian Sarge? If I just use apt-get it doesn't setup a link in the menu thingy |
| 03:28.38 | Renze | SkyBlueshoes: ask in #debian-kde or #debian |
| 03:28.42 | SkyBlueshoes | thanks |
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| 03:29.13 | Renze | cmak: why not just turn antialiasing on in kcontrol? |
| 03:29.28 | cmak | Renze, it is on |
| 03:29.44 | Renze | cmak: KDE doesn't use the Xresources stuff |
| 03:30.22 | cmak | Renze, then what is resetting my Xdefaults? enlightenment? |
| 03:30.37 | Renze | possibly... I know nothing about enlightenment |
| 03:30.49 | cmak | hmm |
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| 03:42.45 | llama32 | amaroK doesn't seem to be able to find lyrics... how do i fix this? |
| 03:44.32 | Renze | start one of the lyrics fetching scripts in the script manager |
| 03:44.42 | llama32 | ah ok |
| 03:44.44 | Renze | and it's Amarok now... no more big K |
| 03:46.20 | Ardonik | Renze: When did that happen? |
| 03:46.28 | Renze | as of 1.4.1 |
| 03:46.40 | Ardonik | I did not know that |
| 03:46.41 | Renze | or do you mean the lyrics stuff/ |
| 03:46.43 | Renze | ? |
| 03:46.46 | llama32 | also... i removed one media directory from the list to find music in... but the songs from it are still in the database... how do i remove them all or make it rebuild the database? |
| 03:46.56 | Ardonik | No, the name.... |
| 03:47.44 | Renze | llama32: Playlist -> Remove Duplicate & Dead Entries |
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| 03:48.07 | llama32 | amarok is awesome |
| 03:48.11 | Renze | Ardonik: yeah, the name thing is from 1.4.1 onwards |
| 03:48.27 | rony | how do i update from 3.4 to 3.5 |
| 03:48.35 | Renze | rony: what distro? |
| 03:48.47 | PeanutHorst | rony: what linux distro? |
| 03:48.57 | PeanutHorst | or failing linux, what OS ? |
| 03:49.14 | rony | suse |
| 03:49.28 | rony | suse 10.0 |
| 03:49.37 | Renze | no idea... never used suse |
| 03:49.48 | PeanutHorst | ew..... i'm starting to feel like giving malicious advice |
| 03:49.53 | rony | does any1 knows installtion source |
| 03:50.17 | Renze | rony: you're better off asking in #suse |
| 03:50.18 | PeanutHorst | Renze: suse uses RPM |
| 03:50.24 | Renze | ick |
| 03:50.40 | rony | join #suse |
| 03:51.23 | Renze | you forgot the / |
| 03:51.57 | PeanutHorst | Renze: if you thinnk deadrat package mangler is bad |
| 03:52.02 | PeanutHorst | try using urpmi |
| 03:52.13 | Renze | that still uses RPM, though... doesn't it? |
| 03:53.02 | PeanutHorst | Renze: it's based on rpm - it's more "powerful" and "simpler to use" |
| 03:53.08 | Renze | pffft |
| 03:53.14 | PeanutHorst | in other words, a pain in the arse compared to source tarballs |
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| 03:53.48 | PeanutHorst | ew... emerde, but i have a funny feeling this discussion is slightly OT |
| 03:54.06 | Renze | gentoo 0wnz j00! |
| 03:55.00 | PeanutHorst | i beg to difefr, but may we please differ elsewhere? |
| 03:55.52 | PeanutHorst | eep! |
| 03:56.28 | Renze | :P :D |
| 03:57.59 | Renze | hmm... didn't catch that error message popup |
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| 03:59.18 | PeanutHorst | Renze: don't you respond to invite? |
| 03:59.19 | PeanutHorst | s>? |
| 03:59.37 | PeanutHorst | reponde s'il vous plait! :P |
| 03:59.42 | Renze | all I saw was an error message popup... I guess Kopete doesn't like invites :) |
| 03:59.51 | PeanutHorst | screw Kopete. |
| 03:59.57 | PeanutHorst | in the postereior. |
| 04:00.06 | PeanutHorst | with siome PROLOG code. |
| 04:00.12 | Renze | I usually use konversation, but I want one app to rule them all :) |
| 04:00.19 | Renze | I rather like prolog |
| 04:00.29 | PeanutHorst | as doo i :) |
| 04:00.35 | Renze | but I prefer Haskell |
| 04:03.32 | llama32 | i've installed some lyric scripts for amarok, but i still don't get any results, [yes i've tried running them one at a time], for example the sing365 one doesn't give any results for songs that are on sing365.com... |
| 04:03.58 | Renze | llama32: weird... works here |
| 04:04.40 | Renze | ...with the lyrics scripts that ship with Amarok |
| 04:06.56 | llama32 | i had to install them for myself... perhaps their dependancies are not met - though i don't get an error, and i see network traffic when it looks for lyrics |
| 04:07.10 | Renze | llama32: what version of Amarok? |
| 04:08.54 | llama32 | 1.3.1 |
| 04:10.01 | Renze | llama32: ah, that was before the lyrics fetching moved to scripts... disregard |
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| 04:10.50 | llama32 | damn... still - shouldn't it work without scripts then? |
| 04:11.15 | Renze | yes, it should... but I can't remember if 1.3.1 had any lyrics fetching bugs or not |
| 04:12.15 | llama32 | hmmm, for the first time, it's at least had something - "lyrics not found, here are some suggestions" then a list of similarly named songs |
| 04:12.51 | Renze | you really should update to 1.4.x :) |
| 04:13.38 | Renze | anywho, I'm off to get a haircut... bbl |
| 04:13.50 | llama32 | yeah... i need a new distro... Ubuntu seriously sucks - KDE and it's apps are all buggy and mis-configured on it |
| 04:14.31 | benJIman|tov | not as bad as fedora |
| 04:14.41 | benJIman|tov | where they seem to purposely go through to see how much they can break kde apps |
| 04:15.13 | llama32 | lol |
| 04:19.30 | mobtek | llama32: if you have a decent machine, gentoo rather rocks for KDE imho :) |
| 04:22.37 | llama32 | i've been thinking about getting gentoo for a while... im worried all the installing from source will be anoying on dialup though |
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| 04:27.33 | FluxLover|AFK| | Im also in need of a new ditro... I'm looking at slackware. How is that? |
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| 04:31.34 | llama32 | for [non-multimedia oriented] applications, will the path from 3.x to 4.x be fairly straightforward? i'm wondering if i should start writing an app now, or do something else, and write it when kde4 comes out... |
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| 04:36.36 | llama32 | does kword handle ms-word files well [if at all]? |
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| 04:38.21 | Teratogen | how do I restart my taskbar? |
| 04:38.58 | benJIman|tov | you can restart all of kicker |
| 04:39.04 | benJIman|tov | with dcop kicker default restart |
| 04:39.37 | Teratogen | taskbar immediately dies |
| 04:39.38 | razor_edge | I'm having SERIOUS problems with kde+video_files... espcially streaming video... kmplayer plays only the audio, and shows no image, kaffeine complains about an error of xine (could find demux)... i try everything and never manage to ger video streaming well integrated in web pages |
| 04:39.41 | Teratogen | or maybe it's kicker |
| 04:39.55 | benJIman|tov | razor_edge: sounds like you need to install codecs |
| 04:40.07 | benJIman|tov | what distro? most can't ship with them because of software patents in the US |
| 04:40.41 | razor_edge | benJIman|tov: no! i have win32codecs in /usr/lib/win32 and kaffeine has this path well configured |
| 04:40.54 | razor_edge | benJIman|tov: the problem is in debian sarge and gentoo |
| 04:40.56 | benJIman|tov | razor_edge: but are you using an uncrippled version of xine? |
| 04:41.11 | razor_edge | benJIman|tov: what means uncrippled? |
| 04:41.32 | benJIman|tov | well some of its features must be disabled to ship in the US |
| 04:41.43 | benJIman|tov | but I don't think gentoo normally bother with that sort of thing |
| 04:41.54 | benJIman|tov | are you on a 64bit system? |
| 04:42.10 | razor_edge | benJIman|tov: nop, athlon xp |
| 04:43.11 | razor_edge | benJIman|tov: do you have any problem with video? may I give you the link that i cant play? |
| 04:43.17 | Teratogen | hmm, the hiding mechanism seems to be borked, that's the problem |
| 04:43.26 | benJIman|tov | no it's fine here |
| 04:43.34 | Teratogen | the task bar is there but I can't unhide it |
| 04:43.54 | Teratogen | guess I will go with an unhidden taskbar |
| 04:45.31 | razor_edge | benJIman|tov: so? |
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| 04:51.39 | Teratogen | when you say "all of kicker", what does kicker do besides the taskbar? |
| 04:55.26 | Teratogen | heh, no man entries for dcop or kicker |
| 04:55.27 | Teratogen | =/ |
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| 04:57.51 | Woosta | I've just installed kate onto this gnome-based ubuntu .. however the terminal isn't working. Is there something else I need to install to get it to work? |
| 04:58.04 | Renze | kicker is the panel. the taskbar is merely an applet on the panel, just like the kmenu, the system tray, the clock, etc. it can be customised to suit individual tastes. |
| 04:58.29 | Teratogen | ah, thanks |
| 04:58.30 | Renze | Woosta: kdebase, I think... |
| 04:58.37 | Teratogen | I was using the wrong terminology |
| 04:58.43 | Renze | yup |
| 04:58.45 | Renze | happens a lot in here |
| 04:58.51 | Woosta | I *think* but I'll check, that kdebase was installed when I installed kate |
| 04:59.09 | Teratogen | under what circumstances would kicker die? |
| 04:59.14 | Woosta | heh .. nup |
| 04:59.21 | Teratogen | running kde 3.5 here |
| 04:59.39 | Woosta | thanks Renze .. installing now |
| 04:59.39 | Renze | Teratogen: badly compiled version with non-official changes often makes it die |
| 04:59.54 | Renze | Teratogen: I hope you're not using Mandriva :D |
| 05:00.08 | Teratogen | using NetBSD 3.0 |
| 05:00.21 | Renze | ah, bsd... another kettle of fish entirely |
| 05:00.30 | Renze | so to speak |
| 05:00.30 | Teratogen | it's KDE from a NetBSD binary package |
| 05:00.43 | Renze | can't help you with that |
| 05:00.48 | Teratogen | ok |
| 05:00.59 | Renze | <-- gentoo linux |
| 05:01.06 | Teratogen | I think I will just keep the kicker unhidden |
| 05:01.32 | Renze | ahh, my head feels so much lighter with less hair on it |
| 05:03.51 | Woosta | Worked like a charm .. thanks Renze |
| 05:04.00 | Renze | Woosta: no problem |
| 05:04.24 | Teratogen | btw I've run KDE on Slackware Linux for years and never had a problem with kicker disappearing |
| 05:04.52 | Renze | the advice was accurate |
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| 05:07.38 | llama32 | Renze: it is a dress-up party, so i thought it was a good idea, but then again i thought drinking tequila at school was a good idea, and that got me suspended :( |
| 05:07.41 | Teratogen | I guess I can do a ps auxwww | grep kicker to see if it's really there or not |
| 05:07.56 | Renze | ps ax is enough :) |
| 05:08.00 | llama32 | brb |
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| 05:12.35 | llama32 | KBFX is terrible :| it's like all those really crap over-themed spyware apps that install themselves on windows, only it's open source... what is the world coming to? |
| 05:14.23 | Renze | you don't have to use it... I don't :) |
| 05:15.01 | Teratogen | what is KBFX, sounds like an FM radio station |
| 05:15.15 | Renze | a kmenu alternative... a really ugly one |
| 05:15.52 | llama32 | can't resize it - it's constantly tiny |
| 05:16.23 | llama32 | so like 5 apps fit on it, and there's no scroll bar - there are two buttons up the top... "scroll up", "scroll down" |
| 05:16.45 | Renze | yup, it is truly awful... but the kiddies seem to like it |
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| 05:18.48 | llama32 | it's not just crap - it's unusable |
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| 05:23.34 | Q-collective | http://www.kbfx.org/staticpages/images/screenshots/8.png <-- iew |
| 05:23.50 | Renze | I concur |
| 05:24.20 | Q-collective | Renze: btw, howto change the K icon? |
| 05:24.29 | Q-collective | I can't find that option :> |
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| 05:25.22 | Renze | Q-collective: at the moment it's rather difficult... it involves either a) replacing every occurence of kmenu.png in the icon theme you're using, or b) you make your own theme with just kmenu.png that inherits the theme you actually want |
| 05:25.41 | Q-collective | :( |
| 05:25.45 | Q-collective | how silly |
| 05:26.08 | Renze | file a bug report... maybe it'll become an option in KDE4 |
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| 05:28.13 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 05:28.21 | Q-collective | seems I'm the first ever to notice it |
| 05:28.31 | Renze | Q-collective: you're not... trust me |
| 05:28.46 | Renze | I've lost count of the number of times I've given that speil :) |
| 05:29.08 | Q-collective | hehe |
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| 05:30.14 | Renze | bbl... going to the supermarket |
| 05:31.59 | Q-collective | wow, just deleted 97 spam emails, just gathered in 24 hours :\ |
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| 05:32.17 | Q-collective | cleared 1M :> |
| 05:32.56 | Q-collective | Renze: have fun |
| 05:33.12 | Q-collective | the supermarket hasn't even opened yet over here :> |
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| 05:36.20 | Teratogen | we have all-night supermarkets |
| 05:38.12 | llama32 | Q-collective: seems to make sense to me having it as part of the theme... |
| 05:40.00 | Q-collective | llama32: howso? It's a bit more logical to have an option to set it, independently from the theme |
| 05:40.05 | Q-collective | but that's just mho |
| 05:40.39 | Q-collective | maybe kde4 should get the option to either use the standard icon defined by the theme or use a custom icon |
| 05:40.50 | llama32 | well it's part of the theme... it's an icon... it's designed to fit in with the rest of the them |
| 05:40.50 | Q-collective | then everyone will be happy |
| 05:40.51 | benJIman|tov | why make that one particular icon special |
| 05:41.02 | benJIman|tov | you can always replace the icon in the theme, or use something else like kbfx |
| 05:41.19 | Q-collective | kbfx is scary, by the looks of it |
| 05:41.32 | benJIman|tov | kbfx can use kmenu rather than its own menu |
| 05:42.23 | Q-collective | but what about my idea? |
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| 05:42.35 | Q-collective | everyone would be happy, whatever philosophy you use |
| 05:42.50 | benJIman|tov | O dpm#t see why one particular icon should have option to be set separately |
| 05:42.55 | benJIman|tov | *I don't |
| 05:43.12 | Q-collective | I do, and I'm sure I'm not the only one |
| 05:43.23 | benJIman|tov | it's not a particularly useful option because you could just replace it in the theme |
| 05:43.23 | Q-collective | but that's why there are different opinions ^_^ |
| 05:43.47 | llama32 | it'd be good to allow easy changing of any icon, so you choose themes then have your own layer of customized things over the theme, but not just the K menu icon... |
| 05:43.53 | tuxcicles | anyone know if there is a way to make kaffeine brighter by default startup without friggin having to mess with the video control every time? |
| 05:43.53 | benJIman|tov | and changing the kmenu icon is hardly an essential task |
| 05:43.56 | Q-collective | replacing it in the theme can be done obviously, but is not particularly userfriendly |
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| 05:44.17 | Q-collective | llama32: agreed |
| 05:44.24 | benJIman|tov | Q-collective: there's not really any reason for average users to change it |
| 05:44.41 | Q-collective | benJIman|tov: lets agree to disagree here |
| 05:44.43 | Q-collective | :) |
| 05:44.58 | llama32 | often the amount of features is inversely proportional to the ease of use |
| 05:45.44 | Q-collective | llama32: also not really true: kde has way more options then, for example, gnome |
| 05:45.51 | Q-collective | yet kde is way easier ;) |
| 05:45.55 | llama32 | _often_ |
| 05:45.57 | llama32 | agreed there |
| 05:46.01 | llama32 | and it's faster too |
| 05:46.27 | llama32 | gnome crawls in 64mb of ram... kde almost crawls... |
| 05:46.38 | benJIman|tov | kde can cope with 32mb ram |
| 05:46.43 | benJIman|tov | slow though |
| 05:47.11 | Q-collective | 32M of ram and a *lot* of swap |
| 05:47.14 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 05:47.22 | benJIman|tov | doesn't use that much swap actually |
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| 05:48.08 | llama32 | i wish KDE had a side panel where things like music players or instant messaging apps would dock [things that generally involve a list and perhaps small toolbar]... seems a waste putting things like that in their own windows |
| 05:48.18 | Q-collective | well, an average kde session uses ~150M rss memory on my machine |
| 05:48.38 | benJIman|tov | that's a bit misleading |
| 05:48.43 | Q-collective | true |
| 05:48.46 | Q-collective | but still |
| 05:48.56 | benJIman|tov | tends to use more when there's more available, plus its not actually using all that |
| 05:49.10 | benJIman|tov | on my 128mb machine it tends to use about 64mb rss |
| 05:49.15 | benJIman|tov | no swap |
| 05:49.19 | Q-collective | :) |
| 05:50.19 | Q-collective | llama32: interesting idea, but wouldn't that make the gui rather.. clumsy? |
| 05:50.36 | llama32 | considering that windows XP seems to use all physical RAM and 400mb swap all the time... it's not that bad |
| 05:50.44 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 05:50.49 | benJIman|tov | llama32: there's a universal sidebar that can hold kopete etc |
| 05:50.59 | llama32 | what's it's name? |
| 05:51.06 | benJIman|tov | llama32: or you can tell kwin to remember their window positions which works pretty well |
| 05:51.20 | benJIman|tov | llama32: universal sidebar |
| 05:51.48 | benJIman|tov | right click panel -> add new panel -> universal sidebar |
| 05:52.11 | benJIman|tov | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10326 you need that to use kopete with it |
| 05:52.32 | benJIman|tov | it has some big issues with xinerama though, wouldn't use it with multiple screens |
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| 05:54.28 | Q-collective | how cool |
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| 05:55.32 | Q-collective | no need for a tray |
| 05:55.35 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 05:56.16 | Shirakawasuna | Q-collective: exposé? |
| 05:56.33 | Shirakawasuna | gah wtf >_<. For some reason my right alt compose key always stops working |
| 05:56.55 | Q-collective | Shirakawasuna: exposé would be cool aswell, agreed |
| 05:56.57 | Shirakawasuna | if I reset it...or anything for that matter in the keyboard layout area of kcontrol and hit 'apply', it works |
| 05:57.06 | Q-collective | but I still haven't got xgl to work over here :( |
| 05:57.12 | Shirakawasuna | ah |
| 05:57.18 | Shirakawasuna | so what's your 'no need for a tray' thing? :) |
| 05:57.34 | Q-collective | and I rather not use compiz since it wants a lot of gnome crap |
| 05:57.39 | Q-collective | I'll wait for kde4 |
| 05:57.40 | Q-collective | :) |
| 05:58.05 | Q-collective | Shirakawasuna: I was referring to the universal sidebar thingy |
| 05:58.22 | Shirakawasuna | kinda cool |
| 05:58.30 | Shirakawasuna | how does it remove the need for a tray? |
| 05:59.01 | Q-collective | well, for kopete or amarok, you don't need the tray icon anymore |
| 05:59.04 | Shirakawasuna | also: any idea on what my keyboard problem is? |
| 05:59.14 | Q-collective | dunno if everything integrates well into it |
| 05:59.35 | Q-collective | Shirakawasuna: not really, the right-alt compose key works for me :> |
| 05:59.53 | Shirakawasuna | it works for me too...it just seems to stop working sometimes |
| 05:59.56 | Q-collective | what line in xorg.conf do you used for it? |
| 05:59.56 | Shirakawasuna | probably after a restart |
| 06:00.02 | Shirakawasuna | I use the kcontrol config |
| 06:00.06 | Q-collective | ah |
| 06:00.08 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps I should switch methods |
| 06:00.25 | Q-collective | maybe :) |
| 06:00.30 | Shirakawasuna | I just want my right compose key! |
| 06:00.55 | Q-collective | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.58 | Q-collective | I used that one |
| 06:01.12 | Shirakawasuna | universal sidebar's pretty cool but not 'flashy' enough for me :). It doesn't hide and when switching to say the 'home' tab it's kinda sketchy |
| 06:01.19 | Q-collective | haha |
| 06:01.45 | Shirakawasuna | in Section "InputDevice"? |
| 06:02.06 | Q-collective | yeah, in the keyboard one ;) |
| 06:03.01 | Shirakawasuna | alright time to restart X :) |
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| 06:05.52 | Shirakawasuna | woo |
| 06:05.54 | Shirakawasuna | thanks Q-collective :) |
| 06:06.00 | Shirakawasuna | do you use superkaramba? |
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| 06:06.35 | Q-collective | no, I think it's way too bloated |
| 06:06.39 | Q-collective | but I like the idea |
| 06:06.47 | Shirakawasuna | I've heard it's....yes...poorly done :) |
| 06:06.52 | Q-collective | I'll wait for plasma to be nice |
| 06:06.52 | Shirakawasuna | but I like my happy little weather applet |
| 06:06.52 | Q-collective | :> |
| 06:07.08 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 06:07.30 | Renze | karamba had a bad start as a kludge :) |
| 06:07.31 | Shirakawasuna | hey, maybe the weather applet or kicker works better in 3.5 |
| 06:07.40 | Shirakawasuna | kludge? |
| 06:07.42 | Shirakawasuna | like sludge? |
| 06:08.08 | Renze | kludge |
| 06:08.09 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.09 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.29 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 06:08.37 | Q-collective | that's superkaramba alright |
| 06:08.38 | Q-collective | :) |
| 06:08.40 | Renze | kinda like gnome, really :) |
| 06:08.45 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 06:09.04 | Q-collective | gdesklets has the same problem |
| 06:09.13 | Q-collective | althogh they got it a bit better |
| 06:09.24 | Q-collective | s/althogh/although/ |
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| 06:09.54 | Q-collective | and adesklets is, well, primitive at best :) |
| 06:10.10 | Shirakawasuna | gdesklets was nasty |
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| 06:13.22 | llama32 | wow... fiddling with panel applets and shit, i found KasBar... it'd be bloody awesome with a bit more work |
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| 06:14.06 | Shirakawasuna | haha! |
| 06:15.21 | Q-collective | http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1033 |
| 06:15.21 | Shirakawasuna | yuaaaaaay |
| 06:15.22 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 06:15.28 | Q-collective | seems a bit outdated |
| 06:15.35 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: we'll make a geek out of you yet :) |
| 06:16.02 | Q-collective | who's the one behind plasma? |
| 06:16.05 | Q-collective | :) |
| 06:16.06 | Shirakawasuna | all I need is to learn some programming :) |
| 06:16.20 | Shirakawasuna | now to figure out how to start yakuake w/out that start message |
| 06:16.20 | Renze | Q-collective: many people |
| 06:16.27 | Halitherses | what is a good tool to update mp3 file data? |
| 06:16.51 | Renze | easytag (yes I know it's gtk, but it still kicks butt) |
| 06:16.55 | Q-collective | Renze: who to ask for a status update? :p |
| 06:17.07 | Shirakawasuna | Halitherses: easytag |
| 06:17.10 | Renze | Q-collective: aseigo, I guess |
| 06:17.19 | aseigo | oh really. |
| 06:17.28 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 06:17.32 | Q-collective | too late |
| 06:17.32 | Q-collective | :) |
| 06:17.49 | aseigo | Q-collective: yeah yeah.. outdated. meh.. hopefully after this week i can update that properly |
| 06:17.55 | aseigo | Renze: too late! up against the wall! ;) |
| 06:17.58 | Q-collective | woot :) |
| 06:18.00 | Shirakawasuna | I like poking |
| 06:18.14 | Shirakawasuna | jeeze aseigo, make plasma faster! |
| 06:18.20 | Q-collective | >:) |
| 06:18.23 | aseigo | bigger, better, faster, more |
| 06:18.35 | Renze | aseigo: how goes k4m? |
| 06:18.42 | Q-collective | k4m? |
| 06:18.51 | aseigo | Renze: kde four core? really well so far |
| 06:19.00 | Renze | cool :) |
| 06:19.01 | Q-collective | cool |
| 06:19.11 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 06:19.21 | Renze | dude! what does mine say? |
| 06:19.23 | Shirakawasuna | kde4 is like the holy grail of 2007 |
| 06:19.38 | Shirakawasuna | only |
| 06:19.39 | Shirakawasuna | better |
| 06:20.01 | Shirakawasuna | because it seems to be kinda on schedule |
| 06:20.18 | Renze | good things are worth the wait :) |
| 06:20.37 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 06:20.42 | Shirakawasuna | especially free good things |
| 06:20.46 | Shirakawasuna | can't argue w/ that |
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| 06:21.33 | Q-collective | one of these days... :) |
| 06:21.37 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 06:21.53 | Shirakawasuna | it's nacho time! |
| 06:22.15 | Q-collective | aseigo: so, could you give us a short status update on plasma? I haven't heard a lot about it lately :> |
| 06:22.55 | llama32 | nachos... my only weakness... |
| 06:23.07 | Renze | pizza is my weakness |
| 06:25.56 | Shirakawasuna | if only I had some avocados |
| 06:26.09 | Renze | mmmmm... guacamole... |
| 06:27.54 | chakie_work | man, you make me hungry |
| 06:27.57 | llama32 | tequila!!! |
| 06:28.07 | llama32 | oh man i love tequila |
| 06:28.14 | Q-collective | $FOOD <-- my weakness ^_^ |
| 06:28.16 | Renze | firestarter... tequila and tabasco sauce :) |
| 06:28.24 | llama32 | ouch |
| 06:28.34 | llama32 | vomit starter - tequila and a can of whipped cream |
| 06:28.41 | Renze | that'd do it |
| 06:28.42 | llama32 | it's like projectile vomit |
| 06:28.50 | llama32 | as soon as it starts going down your throat... |
| 06:29.06 | Renze | yes, the tequila would curdle the cream almost instantly |
| 06:29.25 | llama32 | "just don't spue on th- oh god..." |
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| 06:29.51 | Renze | like a guy I knew years ago who was convinced if he drank lots of milk first, he wouldn't get as drunk... :) |
| 06:30.24 | llama32 | BAHAHA |
| 06:30.32 | stoned | actually its somewhat in the head too |
| 06:30.36 | stoned | called the placebo effect |
| 06:30.36 | llama32 | why the hell would you do that anyway? why drink if you don't want to get drunk? |
| 06:30.38 | Renze | use KDE bindings for $FAVORITE_LANGUAGE |
| 06:31.04 | stoned | I've seen people get drunk off nothing but a mixture of sprite and coke |
| 06:31.04 | chakie_work | pykde/pyqt is nice |
| 06:31.08 | stoned | people who never drank before |
| 06:31.13 | stoned | I told em it was booze |
| 06:31.15 | stoned | :/ |
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| 06:31.25 | llama32 | yeah that's funny |
| 06:31.33 | llama32 | once some guy here passed out after a beer... |
| 06:31.33 | stoned | placebos are very powerful actually |
| 06:31.48 | Renze | belief can be a powerful thing |
| 06:31.55 | stoned | what the mind believes, the brain makes into reality |
| 06:32.13 | stoned | taken to extremes |
| 06:32.16 | Renze | like The Matrix :) |
| 06:32.22 | stoned | shrinks call it extreme delusion of self |
| 06:32.29 | llama32 | "i believe i can fly... oh dear..." |
| 06:32.33 | stoned | the belief that the entire universe revolves around you and you alone |
| 06:32.39 | stoned | and you are responsible for modifying your surrounding |
| 06:32.41 | Renze | narcissism |
| 06:32.47 | stoned | whatever happens to you, is because of you |
| 06:32.48 | stoned | no |
| 06:32.57 | stoned | narcissism does not play a role here |
| 06:33.03 | stoned | self delusion is different |
| 06:33.06 | llama32 | i wish KasBar wasn't so buggy |
| 06:33.07 | stoned | it is uncouncious |
| 06:33.15 | Renze | narcissism is self-delusion, technically :) |
| 06:33.16 | stoned | narcissism is councious |
| 06:33.24 | stoned | technically, but with a huge difference |
| 06:33.29 | Renze | true |
| 06:33.32 | stoned | on one you're aware of it |
| 06:33.35 | stoned | th elatter, you're not |
| 06:33.55 | Renze | dissociation |
| 06:34.07 | stoned | I've done plenty of those drugs in my day |
| 06:34.16 | stoned | s |
| 06:35.31 | stoned | goddamit |
| 06:35.36 | stoned | my neighoubrs afucking again |
| 06:35.40 | Renze | hahahaha... city council using loud Barry Manilow to drive away boy racers. :D |
| 06:35.41 | stoned | and they are really loud :/ |
| 06:35.54 | stoned | god this girl is loud as shit |
| 06:36.03 | stoned | seriously, im gonna go upstairs one of these days and tell her |
| 06:36.09 | stoned | bitch put a sock in your mouth |
| 06:36.13 | stoned | I'm trying to sleep while you're fucking |
| 06:36.14 | stoned | jeez |
| 06:36.31 | Renze | maybe loud Barry Manilow will make them stop? :) |
| 06:36.36 | stoned | lol |
| 06:36.42 | stoned | I tried it with hardcore death metal |
| 06:36.45 | stoned | didn't work |
| 06:36.51 | Renze | they probably liked that |
| 06:36.52 | stoned | maybe that lamer music minght do the trick |
| 06:37.00 | stoned | nah, she is a prude |
| 06:37.05 | stoned | a total preppie bitch |
| 06:37.07 | Renze | Barry Manilow would make anyone go limp :) |
| 06:37.11 | stoned | lol |
| 06:37.38 | stoned | hold on, im gonna get a stick and bang my ceiling |
| 06:37.43 | stoned | maybe that will tell em to be quiet |
| 06:38.13 | stoned | btw Renze |
| 06:38.21 | stoned | I still have not been able to rip a dvd |
| 06:38.25 | Shirakawasuna | stoned: put on Raffi |
| 06:38.26 | stoned | in linuxdebian sid |
| 06:38.32 | stoned | I love rafi |
| 06:38.35 | stoned | and kishore kumar |
| 06:38.37 | stoned | and manna day |
| 06:38.40 | Shirakawasuna | ring ring ring ring ring ring ring |
| 06:38.52 | Renze | hmmm... yeah, that useful part of k3b has been "broken" for a while now |
| 06:38.57 | Shirakawasuna | *BANANAPHONE* |
| 06:39.09 | stoned | fuck that lame joecartoon ripoff |
| 06:39.12 | stoned | and strongbad too |
| 06:39.20 | stoned | joe cartoon is the god of all that is flash humor |
| 06:39.24 | stoned | fuck the immitators |
| 06:39.30 | Renze | don't diss the strongbad, man |
| 06:39.39 | stoned | man thats stupid |
| 06:39.42 | Shirakawasuna | I might have to rough you up when you diss the s-man, stoned |
| 06:39.42 | stoned | imo |
| 06:39.47 | stoned | haha |
| 06:39.54 | stoned | I stand by what I said and I will say it again |
| 06:39.56 | stoned | loud and clear |
| 06:40.01 | stoned | FUCK strongbad |
| 06:40.02 | stoned | . |
| 06:40.10 | Shirakawasuna | haha |
| 06:40.22 | stoned | Renze, typo |
| 06:40.23 | stoned | :) |
| 06:40.24 | Shirakawasuna | haha, puns are great |
| 06:40.31 | Renze | nope, it's not a typo :P |
| 06:40.38 | stoned | strongsad? |
| 06:40.44 | stoned | it doesn't work here |
| 06:40.47 | Renze | yeah, another homestarrunner character |
| 06:40.50 | stoned | not in ANY context whatsoever |
| 06:40.53 | stoned | oh he is |
| 06:40.57 | stoned | fucked if I know |
| 06:41.01 | llama32 | wtf... down here in .au, apparently two male big brother contestants held a female contestant down and "rubbed themselves" on her... |
| 06:41.01 | stoned | I don't deal with lame animations |
| 06:41.02 | stoned | ;) |
| 06:41.17 | stoned | llama32, I been to tasmania once |
| 06:41.21 | Renze | llama32: yeah, I heard they've been arrested |
| 06:41.26 | stoned | I went to see my favorite technical death metal band |
| 06:41.29 | stoned | Psycroptic |
| 06:41.37 | stoned | They are from the Isle of Disenchantment |
| 06:41.40 | Shirakawasuna | reality tv is stupid :) |
| 06:41.41 | stoned | the true tasmanian devils |
| 06:41.45 | stoned | Psycroptic |
| 06:41.49 | stoned | pwnage! |
| 06:42.00 | stoned | NP: Psycroptic -|- The Isle Of Disenchantment -|- " The Isle Of Disenchantment " -|- (Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/77) |
| 06:42.11 | stoned | what a title for song/album |
| 06:42.13 | chakie_work | technical death metal? wtf? |
| 06:42.15 | Renze | not the Isle of Dread Rl'yeh? |
| 06:42.16 | stoned | the little isle they are from |
| 06:42.38 | Renze | ïa ïa, Cthulhu fhtagn! |
| 06:42.40 | stoned | chakie_work, some of the most extremely brilliant music theory oriented speedy technical work on the guitar/drums/vocals |
| 06:42.51 | stoned | this one guy changes his vocal styles like between 8 styles in one song |
| 06:42.58 | stoned | from line to line |
| 06:43.04 | stoned | such emotional and stron delivery |
| 06:43.04 | chakie_work | heh, i have to check it out :) |
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| 06:43.16 | stoned | and I mean an amazing technical command of their instruments |
| 06:43.28 | chakie_work | not normally associated with death metal... |
| 06:43.36 | stoned | I personally believe 99% of metal in the world sucks |
| 06:43.42 | stoned | the 1% i listen to is Elite of the Elite |
| 06:43.49 | stoned | the people who actually know what they are doing |
| 06:43.53 | Renze | I would agree... +1% |
| 06:43.57 | stoned | the bands I listen to literally revolutionalized the genre |
| 06:44.02 | chakie_work | other examples of elite bands? |
| 06:44.08 | stoned | Spawn of Posession |
| 06:44.10 | stoned | Necrophagist |
| 06:44.14 | stoned | Visceral Bleeding |
| 06:44.16 | stoned | Gorgasm |
| 06:44.17 | stoned | Gorguts |
| 06:44.19 | stoned | Athiest |
| 06:44.21 | stoned | Cynic |
| 06:44.23 | stoned | Death |
| 06:44.26 | stoned | Morbid Angel |
| 06:44.32 | stoned | Cryptopsy |
| 06:44.35 | stoned | Deeds of Flesh |
| 06:44.38 | chakie_work | the last ones i know |
| 06:44.38 | stoned | Pymea |
| 06:44.46 | stoned | and tons of others |
| 06:44.51 | stoned | deep deep underground stuff |
| 06:45.03 | stoned | but some of the most insanely brilliant music I've EVER heard |
| 06:45.18 | stoned | I think the epitome of Harmonized music in the west HAS to be in two genres |
| 06:45.28 | stoned | Classical/Baroque/Contemprary Classical |
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| 06:45.34 | stoned | AND technical death metal |
| 06:45.46 | chakie_work | heh |
| 06:45.48 | stoned | these two genres are the epitome of harmony |
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| 06:46.02 | stoned | in fact, they are both the same |
| 06:46.08 | stoned | just on extreme ends of one line |
| 06:46.17 | stoned | meh |
| 06:46.18 | stoned | power metal |
| 06:46.23 | stoned | its good, but I can't stand the vocals |
| 06:46.38 | stoned | but powermetal is mostly buttrock |
| 06:46.42 | stoned | like Rockin with Dokken |
| 06:46.49 | chakie_work | and yesterday celtic frost. talk about old guys |
| 06:46.53 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 06:46.55 | Shirakawasuna | my roommate listens to sonata arctica :). Hilarious lyrics |
| 06:46.56 | stoned | good shit there |
| 06:47.00 | chakie_work | yeah |
| 06:47.06 | stoned | old school death/black |
| 06:47.18 | chakie_work | didn't know them too much before the concert, but they were good |
| 06:47.19 | stoned | extrmee metal and classical are two of my favorite genres |
| 06:47.28 | Shirakawasuna | I fell asleep on my aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrm! |
| 06:47.29 | stoned | reminds me |
| 06:47.33 | stoned | I need t listen to Paranini |
| 06:47.51 | stoned | NP: Niccolò Paganini -|- 24 Caprices, for Solo Violin, Op.1 -|- " Caprice 24 " -|- (Classical) -|- (rating: 10/61) |
| 06:48.01 | stoned | btw, played by Par Ithzah Perlman |
| 06:48.02 | chakie_work | sounds hardcore |
| 06:48.09 | stoned | one of most brilliant violinists of this century |
| 06:48.12 | stoned | amazing musician |
| 06:48.14 | Renze | agreed |
| 06:48.18 | stoned | he can ALMOST pull of paganini's pieces |
| 06:48.22 | stoned | but not quite |
| 06:48.27 | stoned | pagani is still god of all that is violin |
| 06:48.40 | Shirakawasuna | oh noes, freedb! |
| 06:49.11 | stoned | Renze, are you familiar with Viktoria Mullova? |
| 06:49.19 | Renze | nope |
| 06:49.25 | stoned | man, as much as she is georgous and beautiful, she is a goddess on that violin |
| 06:49.42 | stoned | especially her rendition of Violin Concertos in Amin by JS Bach |
| 06:49.48 | stoned | sweet sweet sweet shiz |
| 06:49.59 | stoned | many a times I've made love to my woman listening to her |
| 06:50.00 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:50.06 | stoned | very emotional |
| 06:50.29 | stoned | I never liked Vannessa Mae |
| 06:50.31 | stoned | she sucks |
| 06:50.37 | stoned | I dunno why she made popular in violin |
| 06:50.41 | stoned | she can't even really play that well |
| 06:50.45 | Renze | marketing |
| 06:50.48 | stoned | she only does like, simple violin pieces |
| 06:51.01 | stoned | true |
| 06:51.17 | stoned | NP: Viktoria Mullova -|- Bach: Violin Concertos -|- " 01 Concerto in A minor for Violin, Strings and Continuo BWV 1041.mp3 " -|- (Classical) -|- (rating: 0/67) |
| 06:51.31 | stoned | BWV 1041 is amazing, god bless Bath |
| 06:51.33 | stoned | Bach* |
| 06:52.20 | stoned | man that tonic to dominant to fourth cadence |
| 06:52.23 | stoned | unauthentic |
| 06:52.25 | stoned | so sweet |
| 06:52.49 | stoned | Shirakawasuna, good piont |
| 06:52.51 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: thinking with head #2 again, eh? :) |
| 06:52.51 | stoned | she is hot though |
| 06:52.53 | Shirakawasuna | you can tell the quality of a violinist by their hotness |
| 06:52.53 | stoned | i'd do her |
| 06:52.58 | stoned | lol |
| 06:53.22 | Shirakawasuna | same goes for pianists and politicians |
| 06:53.33 | stoned | you know |
| 06:53.43 | stoned | there has never been a good/decent female guitar player |
| 06:53.53 | stoned | I want a hot girl equiv of Yngwie Malmsteen |
| 06:53.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:54.05 | stoned | guitar being my favorite instrument |
| 06:54.14 | stoned | next to violin then piano |
| 06:54.53 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 06:55.00 | stoned | started when I was 5 |
| 06:55.02 | stoned | 25 now |
| 06:55.09 | stoned | I mostly do shred work now |
| 06:55.16 | Shirakawasuna | do all of your stoner friends beg you to come play for them ;) |
| 06:55.17 | Shirakawasuna | ? |
| 06:55.26 | stoned | extremely fast shred work using western meter signatures, but classical indian raga scales/modes |
| 06:55.34 | stoned | actually, I play modally mostly |
| 06:55.37 | stoned | not key based music |
| 06:55.43 | Shirakawasuna | yay modes |
| 06:55.45 | stoned | I can't be confined to the damn dueal key system |
| 06:56.05 | stoned | star on tonic, but finish on dominant, where dominants take part of tonic |
| 06:56.08 | stoned | its beautiful |
| 06:56.09 | Shirakawasuna | I need to play more saxophone |
| 06:56.16 | Shirakawasuna | I haven't played in a month or so |
| 06:56.16 | stoned | you need 1.5 octaves to play one scale |
| 06:56.23 | stoned | not in equal temperament either |
| 06:56.31 | stoned | 17-29 microtonal octave |
| 06:56.34 | stoned | nice nice shiz |
| 06:56.58 | Shirakawasuna | in fact if I practice for a while playing saxophone may be a viable way to make money when I backpack through europe next summer :) |
| 06:57.04 | stoned | lol |
| 06:57.08 | stoned | sax is awesome |
| 06:57.16 | Shirakawasuna | you can do all sorts of fun stuff |
| 06:57.23 | stoned | kenny G. |
| 06:57.29 | Shirakawasuna | violently |
| 06:57.31 | stoned | I also like lots of jazz music |
| 06:57.32 | Shirakawasuna | very very violently |
| 06:57.37 | Renze | oh my god, you killed kenny! good one! |
| 06:57.45 | stoned | basically jazz is nothing more than 'jazzed up' classical theory |
| 06:57.52 | stoned | I dont' much care for 'normal' jazz |
| 06:58.02 | Shirakawasuna | by normal do you mean white man's jazz? |
| 06:58.06 | stoned | the jazz I play and listen to has to be like, "I know more music theory than you" |
| 06:58.07 | stoned | etc. |
| 06:58.13 | stoned | no |
| 06:58.13 | Q-collective | [08:57:17] * stoned likes kenny since I was 12 |
| 06:58.15 | stoned | Joe pass is while |
| 06:58.17 | Q-collective | you're 13 now? |
| 06:58.17 | stoned | white |
| 06:58.18 | Q-collective | :p |
| 06:58.19 | stoned | I love joe pass |
| 06:58.27 | stoned | he is by far the greatest jazz guitarist of all time |
| 06:58.42 | stoned | man this progressions in melodic minor scales is just unvelieveable |
| 06:58.44 | stoned | so touching |
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| 06:58.52 | brian9053 | hi |
| 06:58.52 | stoned | his* |
| 06:58.54 | stoned | hello |
| 06:58.57 | stoned | welcome to #kde |
| 06:59.01 | stoned | how may we help you? |
| 06:59.03 | brian9053 | haha |
| 06:59.06 | stoned | and thank you for letting us help you |
| 06:59.07 | stoned | :D |
| 06:59.09 | stoned | lol |
| 06:59.16 | brian9053 | I can't find WMware |
| 06:59.24 | stoned | vmware? |
| 06:59.26 | Q-collective | stoned: dude, what did you smoke? and can I have some? :p |
| 06:59.32 | brian9053 | yes.. |
| 06:59.33 | stoned | Q-collective, sure man |
| 06:59.35 | Renze | what does vmware have to do with kde? |
| 06:59.39 | stoned | brian9053, what do you mean? |
| 06:59.46 | stoned | vmware has nothing to do with kde |
| 07:00.00 | brian9053 | I already install by rpm but I can't find that |
| 07:00.01 | Q-collective | ask in #vmware ? |
| 07:00.11 | stoned | or ask in a redhat based channel |
| 07:00.16 | Renze | ew, rpm |
| 07:00.18 | stoned | if you were on debian i'd tell you how ot set i tup |
| 07:00.19 | Q-collective | or #$DISTRO ? |
| 07:00.20 | brian9053 | yes.. |
| 07:00.25 | llama32 | i think he means he wants the KDE menu to show vmware... which is probably better asked in #vmware anyway |
| 07:00.26 | stoned | since I use it |
| 07:00.30 | brian9053 | I'm FC5 |
| 07:00.39 | Renze | ew, FC5 |
| 07:00.41 | stoned | then kindly join #fedora or such and ask there |
| 07:00.43 | stoned | Renze, shush! |
| 07:00.49 | brian9053 | how can I excute it? T.T |
| 07:00.49 | Shirakawasuna | eww, FC5 |
| 07:00.52 | Q-collective | fc5 |
| 07:00.54 | Q-collective | yuck |
| 07:00.54 | stoned | lol |
| 07:00.55 | Shirakawasuna | brian9053: from the command line |
| 07:01.00 | Shirakawasuna | brian9053: or whatever it is you want |
| 07:01.03 | stoned | ok now y'a'll just wanna spite me |
| 07:01.09 | stoned | i don't down on linux distros or anything |
| 07:01.15 | stoned | everything has its uses and its users |
| 07:01.22 | stoned | pros and cons with everything |
| 07:01.22 | Q-collective | fair enough |
| 07:01.24 | Q-collective | but fc... |
| 07:01.26 | brian9053 | how can I move #fedora? |
| 07:01.27 | Shirakawasuna | no FC |
| 07:01.28 | llama32 | except Xandros... it's useless and userless |
| 07:01.30 | brian9053 | #fedora |
| 07:01.31 | brian9053 | ? |
| 07:01.34 | Q-collective | yes |
| 07:01.35 | stoned | brian9053, /join #fedora |
| 07:01.35 | Shirakawasuna | FC users are the oppressed |
| 07:01.41 | stoned | lol |
| 07:01.47 | Q-collective | exactly |
| 07:01.50 | brian9053 | ok. thanks |
| 07:01.50 | Q-collective | free them! |
| 07:01.53 | stoned | hey, where is the girl that owns this channel #kde? |
| 07:01.53 | brian9053 | haha |
| 07:02.05 | stoned | I haven't seen her in weeks |
| 07:02.19 | stoned | she said I was the best guitarist shes ever heard :D |
| 07:02.23 | stoned | I want her to flatter me again hehehe |
| 07:02.26 | Renze | too busy with new job/new apartment/etc |
| 07:02.34 | stoned | yeah, I heard she was moving |
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| 07:02.48 | Q-collective | stoned: what did you just said about narcxissism? ;) |
| 07:02.52 | Q-collective | -x |
| 07:02.55 | stoned | I am it! |
| 07:03.13 | stoned | btw, I just started plaing in the most weird band |
| 07:03.19 | stoned | a genre never before heard of |
| 07:03.35 | stoned | it is Extremely theory oriented, very technical, and very progressive metalish kinda PUNK music |
| 07:03.43 | stoned | band is called Suicide Mission |
| 07:03.47 | stoned | we have a show next month |
| 07:03.56 | stoned | i'll try to get a song recorded/converted to mp3 |
| 07:04.22 | stoned | damn, i didn't know this shit would me so hyper |
| 07:04.27 | stoned | I been typing like a maniac tonight |
| 07:04.33 | stoned | damn my fingers are flying on that keyboard wow |
| 07:04.42 | stoned | I am just blathering about nonsensical shit |
| 07:04.48 | stoned | feel free to kick/ban me |
| 07:04.57 | stoned | damn, I can't stop typing, please help me!please for fucks sake!! |
| 07:04.57 | Q-collective | to mp3? brrr |
| 07:05.04 | stoned | lol |
| 07:05.08 | Q-collective | to flac or not to flac, that's the question |
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| 07:05.42 | Q-collective | /kickban stoned |
| 07:05.44 | Q-collective | solved |
| 07:06.15 | Shirakawasuna | hehe |
| 07:06.25 | stoned | hey |
| 07:06.29 | stoned | compare this with Vanessa Mae |
| 07:06.31 | stoned | http://www.onyxclassics.com/pressroom/Mullova - Gusov bw4.jpg |
| 07:06.33 | Q-collective | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-2-intro.html |
| 07:06.36 | Renze | stoned: go listen to your upstairs neighbours :) |
| 07:06.38 | stoned | I thnk Viktoria is much more classy |
| 07:06.43 | stoned | and way more beautiful |
| 07:06.43 | Q-collective | scrool down to the "closer integration with the GNOME deskop environment" and repeat: |
| 07:06.45 | Q-collective | NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 07:06.46 | stoned | and elegant |
| 07:06.51 | stoned | vanessa mae is a whore |
| 07:06.54 | stoned | viktoria is a lady |
| 07:06.57 | stoned | :D |
| 07:06.58 | Q-collective | I hate the gnome button layout :( |
| 07:07.19 | Q-collective | s/gnome/gtk+/ |
| 07:07.22 | Q-collective | :) |
| 07:07.28 | stoned | wtf |
| 07:07.30 | stoned | apt is not a bot? |
| 07:07.36 | stoned | apt is a bot in #debian as far as I know |
| 07:07.40 | stoned | ! |
| 07:07.41 | Renze | apt is a bot |
| 07:07.44 | Q-collective | apt is a bot, yes |
| 07:07.46 | Q-collective | silly |
| 07:07.47 | stoned | ahh |
| 07:07.58 | Renze | ~apt |
| 07:07.59 | apt | rumour has it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). APT is also known as the best package management system in existence today. |
| 07:08.06 | stoned | ~stoned |
| 07:08.08 | apt | ACTION sits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face |
| 07:08.08 | Q-collective | s/yes/no/ |
| 07:08.21 | stoned | hmm, I thought abrotman added a freakin factoid for me |
| 07:08.26 | stoned | or maybe apt isn't synced with dpkg yet |
| 07:08.35 | mobtek | stoned: did you try quickrip? |
| 07:08.42 | stoned | mobtek, no I did not |
| 07:08.45 | stoned | I kinda gave up |
| 07:08.52 | Q-collective | apt should be renamed to "cute" |
| 07:08.53 | stoned | I used dvdbackup |
| 07:08.53 | Q-collective | :) |
| 07:08.54 | mobtek | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9706 |
| 07:09.02 | mobtek | stoned: url for dvdbackup? |
| 07:09.08 | stoned | dunno |
| 07:09.12 | stoned | apt-get install dvdbackup here |
| 07:09.16 | stoned | google it |
| 07:09.16 | mobtek | k9copy is my other fav :) |
| 07:09.22 | stoned | I have that too |
| 07:09.33 | stoned | but it only has a blank window in the first tab where I can't do anything |
| 07:09.35 | mobtek | sudo emerge -s dvdbackup <-- even better |
| 07:09.37 | stoned | I couldn' tfigure it out |
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| 07:10.06 | stoned | I want a sipmle gui that where I can just click a fwe times and it rips the dvd to avi or someting |
| 07:10.11 | stoned | I don't want to read ton sof man pages |
| 07:10.13 | Renze | argh... inhaling chocolate is not a good thing |
| 07:10.16 | mobtek | heh |
| 07:10.16 | stoned | I don't want to go through bullshit |
| 07:10.21 | stoned | I have half a mind to install fucking windows xp |
| 07:10.27 | stoned | seriously, linux pisses me off sometimes |
| 07:10.47 | stoned | you can't even get the simpleest of the trivial tasks without going throgh tons of shit |
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| 07:11.16 | stoned | :( |
| 07:11.45 | llama32 | stoned: and you can on windows? it's like gnome but slower and with less integrated apps |
| 07:11.57 | stoned | llama32, at leat I don't have to do much shit |
| 07:12.08 | stoned | I just install dvddecrypt, and tell it to rip vob files |
| 07:12.15 | stoned | then I use autogk and tell it to encode vob to avi |
| 07:12.18 | stoned | very simple |
| 07:12.22 | stoned | how come you can' tdo that in linux |
| 07:12.26 | stoned | well im sure you can |
| 07:12.32 | Renze | k3b used to be able to do that |
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| 07:12.35 | stoned | but you have to go through crap to do it |
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| 07:12.55 | mobtek | and konverter use to be able to do it |
| 07:12.58 | mobtek | iirc |
| 07:13.00 | Shirakawasuna | to start with windows users tend to have a lot more ripping-style stuff due to the fact that it's their only alternative to paying for things a lot of the time |
| 07:13.02 | stoned | I can seriously relate to why windows users hate linux |
| 07:13.06 | Shirakawasuna | like warez, etc |
| 07:13.09 | stoned | but I can also relate to linux users hating windows |
| 07:13.14 | Shirakawasuna | and there's 10x the user base |
| 07:13.19 | llama32 | i had to give everyone administration priveleges so they could use nero - there's another option where you just allow everyone to access the CDRW drive, but it just didn't work... |
| 07:13.26 | Q-collective | what about thoggen or acidrip? |
| 07:13.26 | Shirakawasuna | stoned: dvdbackup isn't exactly complicate |
| 07:13.28 | Shirakawasuna | *ed |
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| 07:13.41 | stoned | Shirakawasuna, not when it erros out constantly on EVERY goddamn dvd |
| 07:13.47 | stoned | ones that are not even ces protected |
| 07:13.51 | stoned | or any kinda prot. |
| 07:13.53 | Shirakawasuna | hasn't happened to me yet :) |
| 07:14.09 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 07:14.13 | stoned | luck batadge |
| 07:14.19 | stoned | bastadge* |
| 07:14.21 | mobtek | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31385 <-- might try that |
| 07:14.28 | stoned | I could say bastard, but I dun' twant to oiffend you |
| 07:14.29 | llama32 | stoned: such is the miracle of open source software... dont bitch about it, fix it... |
| 07:14.30 | mobtek | bah mencoder gui |
| 07:14.46 | llama32 | lol |
| 07:14.47 | stoned | llama32, I'll bitch all I want |
| 07:14.51 | stoned | try and stop me |
| 07:14.52 | stoned | :/ |
| 07:15.11 | llama32 | what're you, old or something? |
| 07:15.18 | stoned | don't worry about me |
| 07:15.21 | llama32 | sound like my dad |
| 07:15.26 | llama32 | bahaha |
| 07:15.33 | stoned | you're about to be ignored |
| 07:15.41 | stoned | you'be been an asshole to me for a while |
| 07:15.44 | stoned | maybe you could stop? |
| 07:16.05 | PhilRod | play nicely, guys |
| 07:16.16 | Q-collective | [09:14:31] <mobtek> bah mencoder gui <-- why is that bad? |
| 07:16.47 | Shirakawasuna | haha! The power of smacking is intoxicating! |
| 07:16.48 | stoned | Shirakawasuna, hey quit smackin people |
| 07:17.25 | mobtek | oh and handbrake was awesome for dvdripping before it stopped doing audio for some weird reason |
| 07:17.28 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 07:17.31 | mobtek | much much faster than mencoder |
| 07:17.56 | stoned | double penetration encoder? |
| 07:18.03 | stoned | is that for like serious hardcore porn dvds? |
| 07:18.09 | Q-collective | haha |
| 07:18.18 | stoned | :D |
| 07:18.28 | Q-collective | http://dpencoder.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:18.40 | llama32 | BAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 07:19.02 | Q-collective | ugly |
| 07:19.29 | Q-collective | and mencoder |
| 07:19.31 | llama32 | man my ear is itchy as hell |
| 07:19.33 | llama32 | wts |
| 07:19.56 | Q-collective | are there any faster libs then mencoder? |
| 07:20.42 | Q-collective | oh, latest news is from 07/09/2004 |
| 07:20.45 | Q-collective | so, pretty dead |
| 07:20.58 | stoned | I have a very severe case of CTS |
| 07:21.05 | Q-collective | ?? cts |
| 07:21.06 | DDB | q-collective: cts: Clear To Send |
| 07:21.07 | stoned | in another year or two I could have nerve damage |
| 07:21.08 | llama32 | its a well known fact... if you call people ugly, you're ugly... if you call people gay, you're gay... if you call people aubergines, you're probably an aubergine... |
| 07:21.10 | Q-collective | ah |
| 07:21.11 | stoned | I need sugery |
| 07:21.19 | stoned | Carpel Tunnel |
| 07:21.27 | stoned | 20 years on guitar for hours a day man |
| 07:21.35 | stoned | it hurs to even type now |
| 07:21.40 | stoned | my joints ache in my left hand |
| 07:21.42 | Q-collective | :o |
| 07:21.44 | stoned | it itches on its own sometimes |
| 07:21.51 | stoned | and there is discoloration under my wrist |
| 07:21.56 | Shirakawasuna | oh noes |
| 07:21.58 | stoned | under the flesh of the thumb |
| 07:22.08 | stoned | surgury |
| 07:22.11 | Shirakawasuna | making pasta helps arthritis |
| 07:22.19 | Q-collective | llama32: I never called anyone ugly btw |
| 07:22.19 | stoned | they have to remove my tendon as much as possible to relieve pressure off the nerve |
| 07:22.20 | Shirakawasuna | squeezing stress balls, etc |
| 07:22.27 | Q-collective | just calling that particular app ugly |
| 07:22.33 | mobtek | Q-collective: oh mencoder is just so slow compared to something like handbrake |
| 07:22.35 | Q-collective | now I'm an ugly app? |
| 07:22.45 | stoned | Shirakawasuna, I don't like squeezing balls |
| 07:22.47 | stoned | of any kind ;) |
| 07:22.56 | Shirakawasuna | llama32: your logic is dumb anyways :) |
| 07:23.02 | Q-collective | mobtek: never heard of handbrake |
| 07:23.03 | Shirakawasuna | I sure do |
| 07:23.04 | Shirakawasuna | mmm |
| 07:23.04 | stoned | I leave that to my woman |
| 07:23.06 | stoned | ;) |
| 07:23.07 | Shirakawasuna | ball squeezing |
| 07:23.22 | mobtek | handbrake.m0k.org iirc |
| 07:23.26 | llama32 | i was thinking more along the lines of a novelty sized bong and some strong hydro |
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| 07:25.03 | Shirakawasuna | hey Q-collective, you're right, llama32's ugly |
| 07:25.11 | llama32 | lol |
| 07:25.30 | Q-collective | :) |
| 07:25.55 | Shirakawasuna | Q-collective: trekkie? |
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| 07:28.52 | Q-collective | Shirakawasuna: ex-trekkie, sticked with the "Q" though |
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| 07:29.03 | Shirakawasuna | noice |
| 07:29.25 | Q-collective | yeah, by far the best series |
| 07:29.58 | Shirakawasuna | voyager and enterprise looked OK |
| 07:30.47 | Q-collective | voyager was decent, enterpise sucked |
| 07:30.59 | Q-collective | ds9 got decent towards the end |
| 07:31.07 | Shirakawasuna | I watched ds9 when I was younger |
| 07:31.17 | Shirakawasuna | I've been watching TOS lately :) |
| 07:31.17 | Renze | enterprise went in completely the wrong direction |
| 07:31.31 | Shirakawasuna | have you seen Firefly? |
| 07:31.39 | Q-collective | firefly was good |
| 07:31.44 | Shirakawasuna | indeed |
| 07:31.45 | Q-collective | really sad it got cancelled |
| 07:31.47 | Shirakawasuna | buyably good :) |
| 07:31.56 | Q-collective | oh yeah |
| 07:32.00 | Shirakawasuna | yeah it would've been better as 26 episodes |
| 07:32.06 | RockMan | ciao |
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| 07:38.23 | llama32 | note to self: paper cut + penis = bad idea |
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| 07:39.16 | Q-collective | llama32: :| |
| 07:39.28 | llama32 | i'd love D bindings for KDE/Qt, but i doubt it would ever happen |
| 07:40.16 | PhilRod | didn't roberto alsina blog about something like that recently? |
| 07:40.28 | Q-collective | D, wasn't that some very obscure language? |
| 07:41.18 | PhilRod | rdale is the man to talk to about making bindings, if you want to get into that sort of thing |
| 07:41.24 | PhilRod | !work |
| 07:41.24 | llama32 | D *is* a not-so-obscure language... it's sorta like C# but native compiled |
| 07:42.41 | Shirakawasuna | I know of D simply because torus troopers, tumiki fighters, etc were programmed in D :) |
| 07:43.42 | llama32 | wha? |
| 07:43.52 | Shirakawasuna | greatest games evar |
| 07:45.22 | llama32 | man i hate old shit... "API documentation to this website will likely occur in September 2005 given the current roadmap" |
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| 08:07.39 | ccherrett | I need to remap alt + click in kde. How can I do this? |
| 08:08.30 | Renze | ccherrett: Control Centre -> Desktop -> Window Behaviour, Window Actions tab, change the Modifier Key to something other than Alt |
| 08:10.24 | ccherrett | Renze: Thanks I set it to meta. What is meta |
| 08:10.26 | ccherrett | ? |
| 08:10.41 | Renze | usually the Windows key |
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| 08:11.04 | ccherrett | Renze: I take it you spend a lot of time in KDE? |
| 08:11.16 | Renze | it is my desktop of choice |
| 08:11.32 | ccherrett | Renze: I appreciate your help! |
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| 08:11.38 | Renze | no problem :) |
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| 08:13.24 | AssociateX | is kde4 released yet? |
| 08:13.37 | chakie_work | AssociateX: no |
| 08:13.45 | AssociateX | how about now? |
| 08:14.37 | Q-collective | lol |
| 08:15.00 | Q-collective | AssociateX: ask santa |
| 08:15.17 | AssociateX | ok, I'll check back in a little while |
| 08:15.23 | Renze | AssociateX: learn to compress time :) |
| 08:15.46 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 08:15.52 | Q-collective | good idea |
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| 08:19.46 | Q-collective | can someone highlight me? |
| 08:20.10 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 08:20.46 | Q-collective | the wm urgent hint doesn't seem to work inhere |
| 08:20.47 | Q-collective | :( |
| 08:21.14 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 08:21.27 | Q-collective | it still doesn't work though |
| 08:21.27 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 08:21.55 | Q-collective | you like to do that ey? |
| 08:22.07 | Renze | yup :) |
| 08:22.21 | Q-collective | poke back ^_^ |
| 08:24.07 | Q-collective | later all and Renze: take care of that nose, it looks quite bad |
| 08:24.09 | Q-collective | *ahem* |
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| 08:40.23 | Shirakawasuna | you're not pretty anymore! |
| 08:40.28 | Shirakawasuna | bwahaha |
| 08:40.32 | Renze | I wasn't pretty to start with :P |
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| 08:41.36 | Shirakawasuna | now you're less pretty! |
| 08:41.37 | Shirakawasuna | hahaha |
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| 08:41.47 | Renze | you probably made an improvement :D |
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| 09:49.15 | ROBOd | hello guys |
| 09:49.34 | ROBOd | i have ubuntu dapper, with a *very* minimal installation of kde |
| 09:49.50 | ROBOd | and ... of course, there's some missing functionality :) |
| 09:50.02 | ROBOd | i'd like to know which packages are needed for: |
| 09:50.30 | ROBOd | 1. an applet to show me the current keyboard layout and to allow me to switch between keyboard layouts |
| 09:50.39 | ROBOd | 2. an applet for volume control |
| 09:51.52 | ROBOd | plus ... gnome applications (xchat, gaim, synaptic) look like crap in KDE |
| 09:52.05 | ROBOd | how to make them look as in gnome? :) |
| 09:52.31 | Renze | kmix is in kdemultimedia, which will give you a systray control for volume, and I'm looking for the locale stuff. for gtk themes, install gtk-qt-engine - this will give you a kcontrol module for setting gtk themes. |
| 09:52.50 | Renze | I can't tell you the ubuntu packages, because I don't use ubuntu |
| 09:52.58 | ROBOd | thanks |
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| 09:53.26 | ROBOd | oh ... and i also don't have the applet for "notification area" |
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| 09:53.42 | ROBOd | i don't see the systray icons of gaim, xchat, whatever |
| 09:54.06 | Renze | ah, so you need the systray too... I'll find that also |
| 09:55.55 | ROBOd | Renze: thanks, very much |
| 09:59.27 | Renze | the locale stuff is in kdebase, as is the systray applet |
| 09:59.38 | ROBOd | thanks |
| 09:59.52 | Renze | no problem |
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| 10:00.26 | ROBOd | i have installed kmix |
| 10:00.39 | ROBOd | but i can't find the new applet in the applets list |
| 10:00.44 | Renze | that will need the systray to dock into |
| 10:00.50 | ROBOd | ah |
| 10:02.18 | Renze | the locale stuff you activate in control centre -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout |
| 10:03.03 | ROBOd | i have activated that already |
| 10:03.16 | Renze | ah ok, that also needs the systray to dock into |
| 10:03.19 | ROBOd | installing more parts from kdebase now |
| 10:03.42 | ROBOd | i already had kdebase-bin and kdebase-data |
| 10:04.03 | Renze | like I said, I don't know the ubuntu packages :) |
| 10:04.12 | Renze | I can only tell you the kde tarballs |
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| 10:05.00 | ROBOd | hehe, np |
| 10:05.33 | Renze | I also use all of kde and none of gnome :) |
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| 10:06.39 | Renze | brb... munchies... |
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| 10:25.37 | ROBOd | Renze: i got my kde install working nicely |
| 10:25.44 | Renze | cool |
| 10:27.21 | ROBOd | yet, i don't know why ... i still want to go back to gnome :) |
| 10:27.31 | Renze | masochism? :D |
| 10:27.57 | ROBOd | i see kde is fast, is cool looking (eye kandy) ... |
| 10:28.05 | ROBOd | but it's still "different" |
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| 10:28.10 | ROBOd | lol |
| 10:28.23 | Renze | is integrated, is configurable, is script controllable, etc etc |
| 10:28.27 | ROBOd | Renze: can we talk in private? |
| 10:28.33 | Renze | about what? |
| 10:29.31 | ROBOd | you are a kde user, i'd like to know why you pick kde over gnome (it's not going to be a "kde vs. gnome" thingy) |
| 10:29.45 | ROBOd | i'm just curious of arguments, of opinions |
| 10:29.50 | Renze | the reasons above is why I pick kde over gnome |
| 10:30.29 | ROBOd | guys i talked to until now ... mostly use gnome and favour gnome over kde for the supposed "bloatware" and for the "speed" |
| 10:30.41 | Renze | bloatware is a common kde myth |
| 10:30.57 | ROBOd | yet, these arguments fall a bit short in my eyes, specially speed (c'mon, kde ain't slow IMHO) |
| 10:31.15 | Shirakawasuna | ROBOd: cool, are you running gentoo? |
| 10:31.22 | Renze | ubuntu |
| 10:31.27 | ROBOd | ubuntu dapper |
| 10:31.29 | Shirakawasuna | aww :) |
| 10:31.52 | Shirakawasuna | given how fast kde compiles it's hard to say it's bloatware, imo |
| 10:32.00 | Renze | kde has what gnome doesn't... choice :) |
| 10:32.03 | Shirakawasuna | for me it compiles 3x as fast as gnome |
| 10:32.14 | ROBOd | Shirakawasuna: you serious? |
| 10:32.23 | Renze | he's serious |
| 10:32.51 | ROBOd | Shirakawasuna: the other thing on the list of arguments against kde was enourmous compilation time |
| 10:33.42 | Shirakawasuna | yup |
| 10:33.47 | Shirakawasuna | doesn't take too long for my system |
| 10:34.00 | ROBOd | you most likely pick only the needed packages |
| 10:34.05 | ROBOd | or ... another trick? :) |
| 10:34.09 | Renze | I install everything |
| 10:34.15 | Renze | all of KDE |
| 10:34.19 | Shirakawasuna | kde-meta installs everything and compiles quite fast |
| 10:34.31 | Shirakawasuna | I use split ebuilds because I'm a masochist |
| 10:34.43 | Renze | same here, but it makes updates easier :) |
| 10:34.59 | Renze | like rebuilding kdesktop instead of all of kdebase today :) |
| 10:35.12 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: kde-meta or split-ebuilds-only? |
| 10:35.20 | Renze | kde-meta |
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| 10:35.28 | Shirakawasuna | sweet |
| 10:35.42 | Shirakawasuna | I was going to say...what's the point of installing everything split-ebuilds style when there's the meta package? :) |
| 10:36.08 | Renze | I installed the meta package, but there was an update to kdesktop yesterday |
| 10:36.20 | Renze | so I updated kdesktop :) |
| 10:36.45 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 10:36.52 | Shirakawasuna | quite good, quite good |
| 10:36.52 | ROBOd | so ... why using gnome is considered "masochism"? :) |
| 10:37.04 | Shirakawasuna | because it sucks |
| 10:37.13 | ROBOd | hehe |
| 10:37.30 | ROBOd | i really want to learn why |
| 10:37.52 | Renze | very few options for configuration... little or no integration... a conglomeration of what feels like disparate parts... |
| 10:38.11 | Shirakawasuna | it breaks more often, too...at least in my experience |
| 10:38.11 | ROBOd | i'm going to make a parallel: firefox users who don't know opera too well ... say it sucks. but it's not that true :) ... it's just ... different |
| 10:38.36 | Shirakawasuna | I spent more time fixing my gnome stuff than I do tweaking my kde system for 'fun stuff' |
| 10:39.02 | Shirakawasuna | and it had, in general, a sloppier feel to it |
| 10:39.13 | Renze | kde just feels... tight |
| 10:39.27 | Shirakawasuna | the gnome menu wasn't updated all that nicely (does it even have a good editor yet?), etc |
| 10:39.45 | Shirakawasuna | kde has all the options in all the right places - you have to root around for them in gnome |
| 10:41.24 | ROBOd | seriously, kde seems very attractive to me |
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| 10:41.38 | ROBOd | not the eye-kandy way |
| 10:41.43 | Renze | I've been using it since version 1.1 |
| 10:41.54 | Renze | gets better all the time |
| 10:42.03 | ROBOd | i really like some configuration options in kde |
| 10:42.11 | Renze | and KDE4 is going to kick some serious ass |
| 10:42.14 | ROBOd | looking right now at the workspace switcher |
| 10:42.38 | ROBOd | show the list of windows in each workspace, on rollover ... is very useful |
| 10:42.58 | ROBOd | showing multiple timezones in the clock applet is really nice too |
| 10:43.03 | Shirakawasuna | kde4 will be fantastic |
| 10:43.10 | ROBOd | etc ... |
| 10:43.20 | ROBOd | kde4 ... what's going to have? |
| 10:43.22 | Shirakawasuna | ROBOd: the general way that kde works is worth it |
| 10:43.37 | Shirakawasuna | ROBOd: according to the feature list, etc, it's going to have EVERYTHING |
| 10:43.38 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
| 10:43.48 | ROBOd | link please :) |
| 10:43.54 | Renze | it still won't make pizza, though :D |
| 10:44.01 | ROBOd | any of you two tested kde4 builds? |
| 10:44.19 | Shirakawasuna | a taskbar/window manager/eyecandy/etc thing called plasma, a dmix-style sound daemon called phonon, a nifty new iconset, tons of features for everything |
| 10:44.21 | Renze | ROBOd: there's nothing to see of KDE4 yet... it's still planning/porting/framework |
| 10:44.30 | Shirakawasuna | kde4 is still too early to warrant 'testing' the builds |
| 10:44.36 | Renze | hardware abstraction called Solid |
| 10:44.43 | Shirakawasuna | dbus! |
| 10:45.05 | Shirakawasuna | ROBOd: it will have altogether way too much cool stuff |
| 10:45.17 | Shirakawasuna | I"m very happy with 3.5.2 myself, though |
| 10:45.57 | Renze | oh, we forgot the kioslaves :) |
| 10:46.59 | Renze | ROBOd: ever wanted to rip and encode audio from a cd and send it to a ssh account in one step? :) |
| 10:47.16 | Shirakawasuna | probably not :) |
| 10:47.18 | Shirakawasuna | but now he can! |
| 10:47.23 | Shirakawasuna | or will be able to soon! |
| 10:47.58 | Renze | put in audio cd, browse to audiocd:/, open another window with fish://<ssh address>, and you can drag and drop audio tracks to the fish:// window :) |
| 10:48.13 | Renze | bah, he left :) |
| 10:48.44 | Shirakawasuna | alright it's sleep time |
| 10:48.57 | Renze | I should do the same... early start tomorrow |
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| 10:49.40 | ROBOd | i'm back |
| 10:49.59 | ROBOd | i killed kwin and started metacity... it worked ... until i crashed it :) |
| 10:50.22 | Renze | <laugh mode="nelson muntz">ha ha!</laugh> |
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| 10:52.09 | ROBOd | in kde i of course like the shortcuts editor |
| 10:52.24 | ROBOd | maybe i'll make the switch ... to kde 4 |
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| 10:52.28 | Renze | you can also define mouse gestures if you want :) |
| 10:52.34 | ROBOd | if gnome won't suffice |
| 10:54.40 | Renze | time for this kiwi to sleep |
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| 11:13.19 | Q-collective | nn Renze |
| 11:15.33 | Kabal | Hello, I'm having trouble with kicker.. it doesn't refreshes at times and crashes often.. |
| 11:15.34 | Kabal | details of starting kicker from cli: |
| 11:15.34 | Kabal | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17079 |
| 11:15.34 | Kabal | Can somebody Identify this prob? What can I do to make kicker work better? |
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| 11:54.55 | suser | Hi，everybody |
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| 12:08.55 | dumcoder | Hi, I have some troubles with bitstream fonts on kde |
| 12:09.08 | dumcoder | Sometimes they seem blur |
| 12:09.24 | dumcoder | Im using an LCD screen |
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| 13:06.22 | pinotree | tools -> rescan the collection ? |
| 13:06.39 | llama32 | thanks |
| 13:06.45 | llama32 | i just realised that after i said it |
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| 13:28.00 | MetaMorfoziS | !justask |
| 13:28.22 | MetaMorfoziS | or something |
| 13:28.23 | MetaMorfoziS | :D |
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| 13:51.31 | spike | hi there |
| 13:51.45 | spike | I've got new kubuntu and so new kde... and from kcontrol I cant setup the theme anymore |
| 13:51.55 | spike | where should I install downloaded themes from kde-look? |
| 13:53.02 | aep | they explian it on their page |
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| 13:58.58 | spike | aep: mh, do they? back in the days themes had an installation help page, thye havent anymore apparently |
| 14:00.27 | aep | http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=12 |
| 14:02.36 | spike | aep: as I said, I've got *new* kubuntu and that was the method I used in the past and no longer works |
| 14:02.43 | spike | as there's no "look and feel" |
| 14:03.03 | ecastro | hi! Anyone has the kde love splash? I tried to download it from kde-look but the link is broken.... |
| 14:03.29 | aep | no "look and feel", thats strange spike |
| 14:04.46 | aep | spike: kde comes with that entry from source, so you will have to ask the people of your distribution if they broke it |
| 14:05.10 | aep | maybe it has been translated to your local language? |
| 14:05.18 | ecastro | hey! no one knows about kde look splash!? I'm the only one that found it amazing?! |
| 14:05.40 | Teratogen | kde... love splash? |
| 14:07.18 | ecastro | Teratogen: sorry... yes... kde love splash... dont you know it? |
| 14:07.31 | Teratogen | nope |
| 14:07.33 | Teratogen | sounds kinky |
| 14:07.49 | ecastro | Teratogen: it is pretty cool indeed |
| 14:08.39 | ecastro | Teratogen: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25945 |
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| 14:09.56 | ecastro | Teratogen: the links is fixed now... so no problem... thanks anyway |
| 14:11.01 | Teratogen | heh |
| 14:11.02 | Teratogen | whatever |
| 14:11.25 | Teratogen | Im not going there |
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| 14:36.43 | BLack_Pete | Hi all. Here from DownUnder |
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| 14:39.49 | BLack_Pete | Given that kpilot is so irregular in synch, why can't the developers just start with jpilot and then start adding features from there? Jpilot is rock sol;id on synch. |
| 14:40.13 | aep | babaylon |
| 14:40.35 | aep | babylon |
| 14:40.48 | aep | they dont like each other, as gnome and kde dont gather together and so on, thats linux mate |
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| 14:43.10 | BLack_Pete | Yeah, but I use KDE as my preferred desktop, and evolution works fine, and jpilot works fine, it has to be something in the synch code, which is way over my head. |
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| 14:45.52 | BLack_Pete | Ooooh, had a lonely thought. Is it to do with the different development environment? GCC vs GTk? |
| 14:51.30 | pinotree | BLack_Pete: you're mixing apples and dogs |
| 14:51.39 | pinotree | gcc is a c/c++ compiler |
| 14:51.52 | pinotree | gtk is a programming tooltik |
| 14:52.15 | BLack_Pete | Sorry, but you get my drift? |
| 14:52.49 | pinotree | srt of |
| 14:52.51 | pinotree | sort* |
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| 15:09.03 | seppuka | I have a question in regard to kde 3.5 and suse 10.1 and themes. I can't seem to be able to install themes from kde_look |
| 15:10.11 | seppuka | when I install the rpm the theme manager still cannot find the theme install |
| 15:10.12 | seppuka | any suggestions? |
| 15:10.20 | seppuka | plz |
| 15:10.42 | aep_ | contact the theme developer |
| 15:12.27 | seppuka | I've tried 4 different themes from kde-look |
| 15:12.32 | seppuka | i'm sure they didn't do something wrong |
| 15:12.34 | seppuka | I'm sure it's me |
| 15:12.53 | seppuka | the themes I downloaded were packeged for suse |
| 15:12.59 | seppuka | they install correctly |
| 15:13.02 | seppuka | but they do not show up |
| 15:13.13 | aep_ | then contact your distribution people |
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| 15:13.28 | seppuka | yeah |
| 15:13.29 | seppuka | will do |
| 15:13.31 | seppuka | thanks |
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| 15:21.45 | sunru | hi does kdevelop do code folding for SQL? |
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| 15:26.23 | Paradosso | what system monitor do you recommend for kde? |
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| 15:27.52 | padde | Paradosso: what do you want to monitor? |
| 15:28.17 | Paradosso | padde: usual things, ram usage, cpu, swap, disk usage, temperatures |
| 15:28.51 | padde | Paradosso: well... there are a gazillion possibilities ;) |
| 15:29.03 | padde | Paradosso: i guess many people use superkaramba in kde |
| 15:29.26 | padde | Paradosso: i like conky (a fork of torsmo) more |
| 15:30.21 | padde | Paradosso: although I like it minimalistic, so I wrote all the sensors myself and make the output as tiny as possible |
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| 15:33.04 | Paradosso | padde: I'll go with conky |
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| 15:34.11 | padde | Paradosso: Screenshot: http://tinyurl.com/hehru (JPEG version) / http://tinyurl.com/kw8cy (PNG version) <- this is my instance... look in the bottom left ;) |
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| 15:42.18 | Paradosso | pedde: can you paste me your lines about font/colors? |
| 15:42.26 | sunny | I've got Konqueror startup down to 10 seconds |
| 15:42.28 | sunny | jeebus |
| 15:44.01 | sunny | but the disk activity required to start konq is still fairly mindless |
| 15:44.35 | padde | Paradosso: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/P21Kv637.html |
| 15:45.34 | sunru | i need some help with kate |
| 15:46.16 | frb | sunny: have you tried tweaking the preloaded instances? |
| 15:47.29 | pinotree | sunru: well, hard to help you if you don't ask any question... |
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| 15:49.27 | frb | when I click on a uri inside konversation, a progress window pops up, then the handler app opens the uri |
| 15:49.41 | frb | why does the progress window app take so long? |
| 15:49.53 | frb | it's like click... wait 3-5 seconds, then open |
| 15:50.04 | sunru | pinotree: sorry, i want to use cold folding for sql but only /* and */ seems to work. |
| 15:50.09 | sunru | code folding |
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| 15:50.29 | sunny | frb: yes, I set it to 2 |
| 15:50.42 | sunny | I've done a number of things, holy cow |
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| 15:53.37 | sunny | I've set the number preloads to 2, I've used the minimize memory usage (which is missing in KDE/german), I created symlinks for all the files Konq checks for first (/usr/lib/qt3/lib/tls/i686/) so it doesn't have to scroll through all of them, I've edited my font paths so Konq isn't hitting up font dirs that DNE, and I've refreshed .kde and /var/tmp/kde-$user |
| 15:53.54 | sunny | its *noticibly faster* yes ... but the disk activity still makes me wonder |
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| 15:54.48 | frb | sunny: put your cache and cookies on a ramdisk? |
| 15:54.50 | sunny | and I set about:blank as the default home page (which had the biggest effect) |
| 15:55.11 | sunny | frb: I thought it was that, but loading Konq via strace shows its not so much a cache or cookie issue |
| 15:58.06 | sunny | whats funny is Konq takes 10 seconds to hot start ... Firefox takes 20 seconds to cold start |
| 15:59.46 | Q-collective | konqueror has a coldstart of 4 to 5 seconds and a hotstart of 1 second for me |
| 15:59.58 | Q-collective | firefox respectively has 15 and 10 seconds |
| 16:00.31 | sunny | Q-collective: how fast is your computer ? |
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| 16:00.40 | Q-collective | 2400+ / 1G ram |
| 16:01.02 | sunny | 1.2P3 / 256MB |
| 16:01.05 | Eamon | Can anyone help me with KTorrent? |
| 16:01.10 | aep | how can i make a set of settings, "theme", of my curent look&feel settings |
| 16:01.42 | Q-collective | sunny: that would have an effect, but konq hotstarting in 10 seconds is a lot |
| 16:01.55 | Q-collective | Eamon: try ?? ask |
| 16:03.15 | Eamon | I used Azureus before KTorrent. I've made torrents and uploaded them to a private tracker. I redownloaded the .torrent file and opened it with KTorrent 2.0beta1, when I pointed it to download where the data is, it didn't 'see' that it's already there and starts leeching from the other seeders. |
| 16:03.15 | Eamon | To top that when I removed the torrent it asked me 'do you want to delete the incomplete data', I clicked yes (presuming I had selected the actual directory instead of the parent directory, which I hadn't) and it deleted the completed files! In azureus there is an option "force re-check" is there an equiviant in KTorrent? |
| 16:03.15 | Eamon | In a nutshell: how do I open torrents for seeding? |
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| 16:06.17 | Eamon | Any ideas Q-collective? |
| 16:06.34 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 16:06.36 | Q-collective | lets see |
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| 16:07.04 | greentomate | hey wats a good mouse theme? |
| 16:07.34 | Q-collective | Eamon: try rightclicking on the torrent and select the option "manual announcement" |
| 16:07.49 | Q-collective | might be called a little different, I'm running KDE in Dutch :-) |
| 16:08.16 | Eamon | Yeah Isn't that just an option to manually announce to the tracker? |
| 16:08.35 | Q-collective | isn't that what you want? |
| 16:08.49 | Q-collective | greentomate: look for one on kde-look.org |
| 16:09.08 | Eamon | No.... I want to seed files that are on my hard drive... |
| 16:09.33 | Eamon | I want to open a .torrent file for seeding |
| 16:09.33 | Q-collective | Eamon: don't you need to announce that to the tracker? :> |
| 16:09.57 | Eamon | Yes, but it's KTorrent that starts leeching. |
| 16:10.11 | Q-collective | anyway, I always use it if I want to seed and it works for me :> |
| 16:10.17 | Eamon | KTorent doesn't see that there's already a completed copy there |
| 16:10.37 | Eamon | seed torrents you downloaded with ktorrent? |
| 16:10.54 | Q-collective | torrents are torrents, no matter what client |
| 16:11.49 | greentomate | Q-collective: i am. actually im trying to locate a theme that comes with a kth file. i have the kth file but my guess is it is outdated so it wont work with newer kde. is there any way to open the theme and maybe locate the name of the mouse theme? |
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| 16:12.20 | greentomate | the theme worked fine with 3.4 but now it wont install the mouse theme |
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| 16:13.28 | unity | i was wondering how to start konqueror in fullscreen mode from the command-line. man konqueror and man kfmclient both do not exist |
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| 16:15.44 | frb | unity: I think there's a way to set a profile as fullscreen, then open with that profile |
| 16:15.57 | frb | but I don't remember how to save a profile when konq is fullscreen :/ |
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| 16:18.45 | unity | i have never ever understood profiles, and i never use them |
| 16:19.48 | unity | i cannot seem to delete the default profiles, will i have to edit something in .kde to remove those (like midngiht command, kde developement, those profiles?) |
| 16:20.09 | frb | personally, I don't know |
| 16:20.24 | frb | I just keep the normal profiles around... Web Browser, File Manager... |
| 16:20.42 | frb | I just think I remember seeing your question on the FAQ |
| 16:23.31 | aep | how can i make a "theme" of my curent settings? |
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| 16:24.09 | unity | aep: in kcontrol, under themes, there is a make new theme button or something |
| 16:24.26 | aep | ah realy |
| 16:24.29 | unity | aep: just make a new theme and it should be saved with your current settings |
| 16:24.31 | aep | damn didnt see it |
| 16:24.36 | aep | thanks |
| 16:24.53 | aep | can i change themes via dcop ? |
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| 16:25.33 | unity | in kcontrol Appearance & Themes | Theme Manager | Create New Theme... |
| 16:25.38 | unity | i don't know anything about dcop, sorry |
| 16:27.07 | pinotree | aep: open kdcop and take a look there |
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| 16:27.21 | aep | pinotree: no luck |
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| 16:29.32 | aep | maybe somehow else? i want to change themese via bash |
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| 16:36.43 | unity | frb: thanks i got it working now |
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| 17:02.35 | enzo | hi |
| 17:02.56 | enzo | is there someone from italia in the place ? i have a question about postal code for a program |
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| 17:18.40 | litb | enzo: i'm from germany - you know... |
| 17:20.26 | enzo | so i imagine you don't know postal code for italia litb :) |
| 17:20.39 | greentomate | what kind of archive is kth? |
| 17:21.13 | greentomate | can it be extracted with Ark? |
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| 17:21.41 | bUscher | kth is an archiv? |
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| 17:22.50 | greentomate | i dont know, i thought it was |
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| 17:23.14 | greentomate | it contains all theme files |
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| 17:23.18 | greentomate | i want to see inside it |
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| 17:23.56 | litb | i guess it is a zip |
| 17:24.40 | minciNashu | HELP: how do i update KDE from a local dir ? |
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| 17:24.57 | pinotree | minciNashu: ? |
| 17:25.17 | minciNashu | i've dowloaded the 3.5.3 RPMs and want to update |
| 17:25.32 | minciNashu | i don't want to install all rpms |
| 17:25.34 | litb | minciNashu: rpm -Uvh *.rpm |
| 17:25.40 | litb | oh |
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| 17:25.46 | minciNashu | i dont need all of them |
| 17:25.59 | enzo | greentomate: you can do file your_file.kth to know what it is maybe |
| 17:26.00 | minciNashu | yast wont allow me to add that dir as a source |
| 17:26.03 | litb | then remove those before :) |
| 17:26.03 | bUscher | a german site "endungen.de" said that kth is a "Keynote Theme" (mac os prog) |
| 17:26.23 | pinotree | minciNashu: as in #yourdistro |
| 17:26.44 | minciNashu | ? |
| 17:26.52 | pinotree | what's your distro? |
| 17:26.53 | minciNashu | ask ? |
| 17:27.00 | minciNashu | oh, suse 10.1 |
| 17:27.06 | pinotree | ah, typo ;) |
| 17:27.06 | litb | then #suse is your friend |
| 17:27.18 | pinotree | ask in #suse, they might help you |
| 17:27.22 | greentomate | Reluna.kth: gzip compressed data, was "", from Unix |
| 17:27.31 | greentomate | i guess it is a gzip file |
| 17:27.42 | pinotree | kth should be a tar.gx with a different extension |
| 17:27.46 | pinotree | gz* |
| 17:28.36 | greentomate | ill just rename it |
| 17:29.09 | litb | greentomate: ark let you choose the type if it can't determine it |
| 17:29.37 | greentomate | yeah its tar.gz |
| 17:29.40 | greentomate | thx |
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| 17:31.59 | iamben | in konqueror when opening an avi over smb, how can i get it to just pass the smb:// url to the player instead of precopying with kio stuff? |
| 17:32.26 | greentomate | do you guys know anything about the whiteglass cursor theme? |
| 17:32.33 | iamben | the precopy is neat for players that dont support smb, but mplayer does, and i'd like to be able to play without the precopy |
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| 17:34.25 | greentomate | where are cursor themes changed in kde 3.5? im reading a guide and it says to look in ~/.icons which doesnt exist |
| 17:34.57 | hacosta | greentomate: you can create it |
| 17:35.44 | greentomate | yeah i think i got it this has to do with xorg not kde |
| 17:35.48 | hacosta | though if what you want is whiteglass there's no need to do that, just select it in kcontrol |
| 17:36.10 | hacosta | yeah.. i think it' s better to do it with xorg though.. |
| 17:36.36 | greentomate | the latest xorg tries to be "rather minimal" and doesnt install the other cursor themes |
| 17:37.01 | hacosta | you are running xorg 7.1? |
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| 17:38.29 | greentomate | yes |
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| 17:48.56 | cashton | hi, I've been trying to get kde 3.5.3 installed with a local qt install but can't get any of the configure scripts to find qt... this goes for any kde program I've tried so far, could anyone help me out? |
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| 17:52.28 | greentomate | wats good with kde and WYSIWYG |
| 17:52.50 | Blissex | greentomate: well, thats a long story. |
| 17:53.16 | Blissex | greentomate: but basically GUI interface present you a list of what you can do, so you don't have to remember all that. |
| 17:53.24 | litb | greentomate: KDE hasn't WYSIWYG |
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| 17:53.53 | dr_wu | hello |
| 17:53.57 | litb | until it uses cairo or a comparable system |
| 17:54.05 | litb | like Qt4 |
| 17:54.11 | Spum | Ello |
| 17:54.12 | Blissex | well, KOffice has got that... And arguably Konqueror does too. |
| 17:54.13 | greentomate | im looking for WYSIWYG HTML editor |
| 17:54.22 | greentomate | Konq, really? how |
| 17:55.03 | dr_wu | would anyone know how to configure the clock applet such that the date appears next to the time, rather than underneath the time? |
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| 17:55.20 | benJIman|tov | greentomate: quanta does |
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| 17:55.32 | river_ | what does it mean when kopete's systray icon has a small rectangle in the middle? |
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| 17:55.36 | greentomate | benJIman|tov: thx ill give it a try |
| 17:55.46 | benJIman|tov | the wysiwyg is relatively primative but the rest of quanta's features are superb |
| 17:55.50 | cashton | is this the right place to ask about compilation problems, or should i ask in some other channel? |
| 17:56.46 | greentomate | hmm am i better off with dreamweaver + wine? |
| 17:56.52 | Spum | hELL NO |
| 17:56.54 | Spum | Oops |
| 17:56.55 | Spum | :-D |
| 17:57.11 | dr_wu | greentomate- have you tried NVU? |
| 17:57.12 | Spum | Definately not.. Dreamweaver is a travesty against mankind :-/ |
| 17:57.28 | greentomate | dr_wu: no i havent, ill try that too |
| 17:57.33 | greentomate | Spum: why u say that lol? |
| 17:57.37 | Spum | Quanta Plus is ace |
| 17:57.47 | Spum | Why would you want to use Dreamweaver if you could use Q+ |
| 17:57.59 | greentomate | quanta conflicts with kdewebdev |
| 17:58.17 | iamben | if you have kdewebdev, you already have quanta |
| 17:58.19 | iamben | thats why they conflict |
| 17:58.20 | greentomate | ah i see |
| 17:58.28 | Spum | ;-) |
| 17:58.29 | dr_wu | greentomate- not dreamweaver, but pretty good for a wysiwyg linux editor.. |
| 17:58.38 | Spum | NVU is alright |
| 17:58.57 | Spum | I dont really use authoring software much, i use Kdevelop about 70% of the time i'm on the comp |
| 17:59.07 | Spum | Kdevelop is the shiznit, no question |
| 17:59.34 | frb | mmmm.... dreamweaver |
| 18:00.14 | Spum | Meh, dreamweaver is annoying |
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| 18:01.02 | greentomate | i cant code for shit so i need to use pure wysiwyg:p |
| 18:01.18 | dr_wu | so, does anybody know how to change the clock applet to have the date appear next to the time?? |
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| 18:01.46 | Ardonik | greentomate: in addition to quanta and nvu, you might try screem or bluefish |
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| 18:03.37 | kilrae | dr_wu: right click, options, there's a checkbox labeled date |
| 18:04.08 | kilrae | while you're at it, enable fuzzy time, it's very much superior |
| 18:04.11 | dr_wu | rolfmeyer- yup.. i can get it to appear, but i would like to have it next to the time, not under it.. thanks.. |
| 18:05.20 | kilrae | it shows up next to the time on my computer |
| 18:05.27 | kilrae | maybe it depends on the size of the panel |
| 18:05.49 | dr_wu | kilrae... hmm.. what is the size of your panel? |
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| 18:06.03 | kilrae | 'tiny' |
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| 18:07.15 | dr_wu | kilrae- thanks |
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| 18:08.01 | RockMan | re |
| 18:08.12 | ChrisAshton84 | so... is there anyone here who's familiar with the kde ./configure ? I've put a lot of time in trying to get it to work, but can't... anyone at least know where to ask? |
| 18:08.45 | dr_wu | kilrae- that's odd.. it now shows up next to the time, just like i want.. thanks. |
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| 18:11.22 | kilrae | dr_wu: i'd guess that to save horizontal space they put it underneath if there's room but on a smaller panel there isn't room so they have to put it beside the time |
| 18:11.39 | kilrae | of course, you out to be using the binary clock |
| 18:11.42 | kilrae | ought |
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| 18:12.38 | dr_wu | kilrae- yeah.. i'm actually using baghira and trying to mimick the osx style top bar. I've found that by adjusting the font size, it changes the width of the panel.. it works well now though.. thanks again.. |
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| 18:54.50 | bauerbob | hi |
| 18:55.18 | bauerbob | kontact is telling me "database error" since 5 days when i want to download my mail |
| 18:55.31 | bauerbob | any chance to see what kontact means? |
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| 19:04.58 | markey | hey #kde :) |
| 19:05.07 | markey | wanna get new Amarok release on digg frontpage? |
| 19:05.11 | kronoz | hey markey |
| 19:05.14 | markey | digg this story: |
| 19:05.15 | markey | http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! |
| 19:05.17 | markey | :) |
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| 19:05.43 | kronoz | markey: has the interface been changed back to normal in 1.4.1? |
| 19:05.47 | markey | yes |
| 19:06.15 | kronoz | thank goodness |
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| 19:18.12 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 19:18.30 | elvirolo | i'm using debian sid and i've got a big problem with kde : all my fonts are tiny |
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| 19:19.02 | pinotree | elvirolo: kcontrol -> look & themes -> fonts ? |
| 19:19.04 | henk2 | how do i run kde on compiz? i've installed compiz-kde and compiz (kubuntu dapper) and i guess i have to tell kde that i want to use compiz as a windo manager, for gmd i can find a howto on setting [server-xgl] in gdm.conf but for kde i'm not getting any good hints |
| 19:19.45 | elvirolo | pinotree: i already tried but it doesn't solve the problem |
| 19:19.55 | elvirolo | fonts in KDM are tiny for instance |
| 19:20.39 | pinotree | kcontrol -> system administration -> login managerù |
| 19:20.41 | pinotree | -ù |
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| 19:21.10 | hostix | hey |
| 19:21.12 | hostix | im making a shutcut in KDE the command is "konqueror sftp://*****.no-ip.org" but when i click on it konquerors opens but i get "An error occurred while loading sftp://******.no-ip.org:" |
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| 19:21.42 | elvirolo | fonts in GTK apps are tiny yoo |
| 19:21.44 | elvirolo | too* |
| 19:21.47 | elvirolo | everything is |
| 19:23.32 | henk2 | pinotree there is no login manager in my kcontrol |
| 19:24.00 | elvirolo | henk2: do you use KDM.? |
| 19:24.15 | pinotree | henk2: that was to elvirolo, not for you |
| 19:24.24 | henk2 | ps waux|grep kdm << shows i use kdm |
| 19:24.34 | henk2 | ah ok |
| 19:24.40 | elvirolo | lol |
| 19:25.00 | pinotree | hostix: if you tell us the error you get, we could help maybe... |
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| 19:25.40 | hostix | pinotree, ii get "An error occurred while loading url" in konqueror |
| 19:25.45 | pinotree | and? |
| 19:25.46 | Shirakawasuna | henk2: could be more of a distro thing |
| 19:25.52 | pinotree | there's an error after thatr |
| 19:25.53 | pinotree | -r |
| 19:25.58 | hostix | no |
| 19:26.24 | pinotree | you sure? usually an error message is printed |
| 19:26.31 | hostix | im sure |
| 19:26.59 | pinotree | :S |
| 19:27.25 | henk2 | so any thought on the location of the config file specifying the window manager ? |
| 19:27.56 | hostix | /etx/X11 |
| 19:27.59 | hostix | etc* |
| 19:28.24 | hostix | /etc :) |
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| 19:32.05 | bauerbob | how can i debug a kde application (without recompiling it)? i've seen kdebugdialog, but how does it work? |
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| 19:36.53 | paoleela | How can I set a longer timeout for konqueror? It breaks sometimes with the wlan here, and I have to press F5. |
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| 19:40.24 | apachelogger | please help amarok and digg at http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! |
| 19:41.25 | markey | oooh, that's a good idea |
| 19:41.29 | markey | I'm doing it! |
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| 19:42.13 | greentomate | can someone explain what these krdc paras represent krdc -caption "%c" %i %m %u |
| 19:42.23 | pinotree | %c caption |
| 19:42.25 | pinotree | %i icon |
| 19:42.34 | pinotree | %m miniicon (deprecated) |
| 19:42.47 | pinotree | %u list of urls (or paths, not sure) |
| 19:42.51 | greentomate | oh |
| 19:43.01 | lfranchi | apachelogger: wow, i gotta dig that |
| 19:43.04 | pinotree | freedesktop.org specification, that is |
| 19:43.08 | pinotree | greentomate: ^ |
| 19:43.13 | greentomate | how would i make a vnc connection to 192.168.101:0 |
| 19:43.25 | greentomate | i want to just start krdc and get the prompt for pw |
| 19:44.21 | pinotree | try krcd vcn:<host> |
| 19:44.25 | pinotree | vnc* |
| 19:44.39 | greentomate | ok |
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| 19:46.09 | pinotree | (i mean, i never used the application, just guessing) |
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| 19:46.25 | greentomate | pinotree: lol that works |
| 19:46.29 | greentomate | well what do u use then? |
| 19:46.35 | apachelogger | come on, everybody please digg http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! |
| 19:48.08 | henk2 | ah nice my cube works but i do not have a window manager... no window-bars and close buttons no way of controlling the windows.. that is because kdm is not ok right? |
| 19:48.58 | greentomate | is there any way to force kde wallets to stay open always no matter wat? |
| 19:49.22 | greentomate | im sick of typing my pw in all the time i just want kdewallet to not bug me after i enter it once |
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| 19:49.30 | pinotree | greentomate: kcontrol -> security & privacy -> kde wallet |
| 19:50.18 | greentomate | yeah i looked there but i dont see any "keep wallet open" option |
| 19:51.02 | Shirakawasuna | greentomate: you can set it so that it will keep it open after the first time you put in the password |
| 19:51.27 | greentomate | yeah but it treats every app seperately |
| 19:51.33 | Shirakawasuna | greentomate: disable all of the Close Wallet things |
| 19:51.38 | greentomate | i did :D |
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| 19:52.07 | Shirakawasuna | It would be nicer if kdewallet didn't require a separate password, but it is more secure |
| 19:52.10 | Renze | greentomate: you can also set the password blank so it will never ask for a password, but that is a security risk |
| 19:52.22 | greentomate | Renze: ah there we go |
| 19:52.30 | greentomate | how do i do that? |
| 19:52.42 | Renze | change the password, and change it to nothing :) |
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| 19:52.48 | Renze | in kwalletmanager |
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| 19:53.14 | greentomate | ok |
| 19:53.49 | greentomate | what is the security risk ? i live alone so people messing with my comp is not a prob |
| 19:54.07 | greentomate | is it in the even someone gains control of my system? |
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| 19:54.25 | greentomate | if thats it i only use kwallet for local stuff |
| 19:54.34 | Shirakawasuna | local stuff? |
| 19:54.38 | Shirakawasuna | like local ssh? |
| 19:54.41 | greentomate | no |
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| 19:54.50 | greentomate | like apps |
| 19:54.51 | Renze | it's only a local risk, so as long as you look after your machine it shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:54.56 | greentomate | wlassistant, krdc |
| 19:55.06 | greentomate | ok kool |
| 19:55.18 | henk2 | I'm getting "the process for the system protocol died unexpectedly" |
| 19:55.18 | greentomate | yeah i use it for when i launch apps as kdesu and stuff |
| 19:55.34 | henk2 | and i have no window manager it seems |
| 19:55.44 | Renze | henk2: run kwin |
| 19:56.53 | henk2 | Renze still no window manager (no window-bars, and no task manager it seems) |
| 19:57.10 | Renze | henk2: then you have bigger problems somewhere |
| 19:57.12 | henk2 | Renze ( i'm playing around with compiz fyi) |
| 19:57.49 | Renze | ah, then kwin isn't what you need... you need to go back to the howto you used to set things up and figure out how to get compiz running as the window manager |
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| 19:58.12 | henk2 | the eyecandy stuff is running perfectly but somehow kde has no way for me to control the windows |
| 19:58.30 | Renze | see above |
| 19:58.34 | henk2 | ah yes |
| 19:58.46 | Shirakawasuna | henk2: this really seems like more of a #yourdistro problem |
| 19:58.53 | Renze | definitely |
| 19:59.04 | Renze | xgl/compiz is not supported here |
| 19:59.09 | Shirakawasuna | henk2: we can help figure out what messages mean sometimes, but your seems to be a bad installation |
| 19:59.21 | Shirakawasuna | yup |
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| 20:00.49 | Renze | if you choose to use alpha quality software, on your own head be it :) |
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| 20:01.47 | henk2 | i know, i'm not here demanding you help me you know ;) I just guessed a lot of people in here played around with this stuff like me now |
| 20:02.20 | Renze | I'm waiting for it to get to beta level at least... I only have one machine :) |
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| 20:03.27 | henk2 | i see, well kubuntu had it in the default dapper repos now and i bought a new card today (6600) so i just wanted to give it a try |
| 20:03.52 | Renze | those kubuntu people are crazy :) |
| 20:04.40 | Shirakawasuna | henk2: you know you want gentoo |
| 20:05.08 | apachelogger | You know I'm kubuntu packager?! :P |
| 20:06.07 | apachelogger | henk2: see http://wiki.kubuntu.org for xgl howtos |
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| 20:06.34 | apachelogger | and it is not in the default repos |
| 20:07.10 | apachelogger | it's in universe (may be unsupported but a package is available and it is free software) |
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| 20:21.57 | fasta | Does Konsole support the mouse in some sensible way? |
| 20:22.14 | Renze | define "sensible" |
| 20:22.35 | apachelogger | once again, everybody please digg http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! |
| 20:22.50 | fasta | Renze: E.g. when you use it for an editor, that you can click somewhere and have the cursor placed there. |
| 20:23.10 | Renze | fasta: that depends on the editor, not konsole |
| 20:23.31 | fasta | Renze: Don't you need to enable it somewhere? |
| 20:23.35 | Renze | if the editor supports gpm-like mouse interaction, it will work |
| 20:23.38 | Renze | no |
| 20:23.48 | fasta | Renze: do you know an editor which does? |
| 20:23.56 | fasta | Renze: or for that matter, any application. |
| 20:23.56 | Renze | off the top of my head... no |
| 20:24.06 | Renze | mc works with the mouse |
| 20:25.57 | fasta | Renze: thanks, that works, how cool :) |
| 20:26.11 | Renze | no problem :) |
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| 20:28.09 | greentomate | did kde start before gnome? |
| 20:28.18 | PhilRod | yes, I think |
| 20:28.33 | Renze | I seem to recall that it did |
| 20:28.54 | greentomate | why do people use gnome? |
| 20:29.11 | visik7 | gnome is easier for dump ppl imo |
| 20:29.12 | Shirakawasuna | by default it's prettier |
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| 20:29.14 | Renze | too stubborn to change? |
| 20:29.20 | kirun | Nothing can please everyone |
| 20:29.20 | visik7 | s/dump/dumb |
| 20:29.24 | Shirakawasuna | and for the newb to linux it looks quite good |
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| 20:29.31 | greentomate | ah |
| 20:29.38 | greentomate | that is understandable |
| 20:29.56 | Shirakawasuna | I thought it was great when I first had it. Until I tried kde |
| 20:30.05 | Renze | plus there are some distros that push Gnome and do a lacklustre KDE |
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| 20:30.20 | greentomate | ubuntu seems to do that. |
| 20:30.20 | Shirakawasuna | yup |
| 20:30.29 | Shirakawasuna | I'd imagine FC does that |
| 20:30.43 | Dhraakellian | I'd also imagine that there are distros that do the exact opposite |
| 20:30.47 | Renze | RedHat did a *lot* of that |
| 20:30.50 | Shirakawasuna | isn't red hat/FC stuff pro-gnome |
| 20:30.53 | greentomate | funny i actauully think kde is more windows-like |
| 20:31.04 | PhilRod | kubuntu does a reasonable job of KDE, AFAIK (never used it myself) |
| 20:31.07 | Renze | greentomate: don't say that!!! :P |
| 20:31.09 | Shirakawasuna | greentomate: probably because of how it looks |
| 20:31.12 | Dhraakellian | greentomate: only by default |
| 20:31.18 | Shirakawasuna | gnome operates more gnome-ike, imo |
| 20:31.21 | Shirakawasuna | *windows-like |
| 20:31.22 | Shirakawasuna | gah |
| 20:31.27 | greentomate | i dont think so |
| 20:31.28 | Shirakawasuna | it operates more gnome-like, too :) |
| 20:31.37 | Shirakawasuna | it has a registry, for one |
| 20:31.40 | Shirakawasuna | hidden options |
| 20:31.43 | Bille | PhilRod: i don't think being familiar is a bad thing |
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| 20:31.47 | Dhraakellian | kde can look and (to some extent, at least) act like any other system you want |
| 20:31.50 | visik7 | try to put a link of the home to the desktop on gnome is a pain |
| 20:31.57 | Renze | greentomate: to operate windows-like, KDE would need to be infested with spyware and be nearly unusable :) |
| 20:32.04 | visik7 | you need to keep press middle button for get "create a link" |
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| 20:32.09 | Dhraakellian | or it can be totally unique, depending how you setit up |
| 20:32.11 | visik7 | WHO use middle button ? |
| 20:32.12 | Shirakawasuna | the gnome menu is horrible just like the windows start men u:) |
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| 20:32.36 | greentomate | Renze: yeah, true. i kind of meant UI. kcontrol as control panel, the apps menu as start menu |
| 20:32.41 | fasta | Navigating menus is something which only new users do, in my experience. |
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| 20:33.05 | kirun | The differences in KDE from Windows are what I like... little things like dragging and dropping a bunch of files gives you a "copy/move/link" menu by default (you have to remember to RMB-drag in Windows or it guesses) |
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| 20:33.32 | greentomate | yeah gnome "system" and "preferences" menu confuses me. |
| 20:33.34 | Shirakawasuna | greentomate: that's because the control panel makes sense in a lot of ways |
| 20:33.42 | Shirakawasuna | greentomate: you could say macs are like window machines in that way |
| 20:34.05 | greentomate | yeah lol i guess it is a bad idea to suggest kde is similar to windows here |
| 20:34.12 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 20:34.15 | Shirakawasuna | death to you! |
| 20:34.18 | Shirakawasuna | death I say! |
| 20:34.25 | Renze | slow death! |
| 20:34.41 | Renze | at the hands of Redmond, WA developers! |
| 20:34.43 | fasta | The concept of a window is much older than Windows |
| 20:34.57 | kirun | I think it's fair to say KDE isn't different from Windows just for the sake of being different |
| 20:35.00 | Renze | (which would be very slow) |
| 20:35.03 | Shirakawasuna | I just want exposé |
| 20:35.24 | Shirakawasuna | then a 'show desktop' button that doesn't kill kwin |
| 20:35.30 | greentomate | kirun: yeah well said |
| 20:35.51 | Dhraakellian | kirun: it's also fair to say that KDE isn't the same as $OS just for the sake of being the same as $OS |
| 20:35.54 | Shirakawasuna | no more taskbar, woo |
| 20:36.20 | Dhraakellian | taskbar-- |
| 20:36.23 | Dhraakellian | kasbar++ |
| 20:37.31 | luksan | its amazing how poor support for multiple screens is in X11 |
| 20:43.01 | markey | Renze: :) |
| 20:43.12 | markey | Renze: so give us a little back, digg our story |
| 20:43.15 | markey | http://digg.com/software/Amarok_1.4.1_released_with_Last.fm_stream_support! |
| 20:43.31 | Renze | digg.com doesn't want to work with adfilter engaged |
| 20:43.45 | markey | now that can't stop you, can it |
| 20:45.32 | markey | awesome |
| 20:45.35 | markey | Renze++ |
| 20:45.36 | markey | :) |
| 20:45.54 | Renze | hey, I'm trying to lose weight... make it Renze-- :) |
| 20:45.57 | markey | ok |
| 20:45.59 | markey | Renze-- |
| 20:46.00 | markey | :p |
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| 20:49.38 | bioticpro | How can the konq tab bar be set to appear at the bottom of the screen instead of the top? |
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| 20:51.04 | fasta | Will there ever be a time KDE doesn't get new features, but first all known bugs are fixed? |
| 20:51.18 | luksan | lol |
| 20:51.33 | markey | fasta: no |
| 20:51.34 | Renze | fasta: that happens with point releases |
| 20:51.51 | markey | that's not how development works |
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| 20:52.16 | fasta | markey: What's wrong with making something that works first, and then releasing it? |
| 20:52.26 | markey | developers get bored soon |
| 20:52.29 | markey | just as users do |
| 20:52.38 | markey | you can add features, and fix bugs at the same time |
| 20:52.50 | PhilRod | many many bugs have been fixed in the 3.5 branch |
| 20:52.51 | Renze | fasta: it would end up with a release schedule that looks like debian stable's :) |
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| 20:53.34 | icwiener | Renze: Debian Etch will be released in December '06. *hope* :) |
| 20:53.41 | markey | Renze: heh yeah |
| 20:53.42 | markey | indeed |
| 20:53.42 | fasta | Renze: not really, since by construction it would not be behind then. |
| 20:53.52 | markey | and we all know how exciting debian stable is |
| 20:54.04 | bioticpro | and I found my answer here: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings |
| 20:54.07 | Renze | I prefer frequent updates, because not all bugs will affect all people |
| 20:54.13 | icwiener | markey: stable, not exciting... |
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| 21:14.04 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 21:14.20 | bobesponja | is there a kde admin tool for sqlite? |
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| 21:34.10 | kirun | You can get one like in Jurassic Park, the flying directory navigation is a real SGI program |
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| 21:39.30 | kilrae | kirun: aye, but what i meant was the physical setup |
| 21:40.01 | kilrae | 19" crt on a garage sale desk with a beige box on the floor just doesn't cut it any more |
| 21:40.58 | kilrae | although i have always thought about creating some kind of MovieOS theme |
| 21:41.44 | kirun | Well, they never use mice in movies, you'd have to hack up Ratpoison :) |
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| 21:42.06 | kilrae | they used mice in anti trust |
| 21:42.30 | kilrae | but who needs mice anyway? |
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| 21:43.06 | kilrae | my mouse fell behind the desk once and it was three days before i bothered to fish it back up |
| 21:43.10 | kirun | Somebody made an LCARS theme for Mozilla, which was usable for about two minutes without vomiting |
| 21:44.43 | kirun | I can't see a command-line paint program doing too well |
| 21:44.45 | icwiener | Can sb. tell me where kmail writes its logfiles to? |
| 21:45.07 | Renze | log files? |
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| 21:46.09 | icwiener | It freezes everytime while fetching one specific mailbox and there is a handshake between server and client... this is what I'm looking for. |
| 21:47.18 | Renze | I'm not sure if it logs that stuff |
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| 21:48.15 | icwiener | Oh, thats bad. Then I try etherreal... thx. |
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| 22:09.04 | hagebake | is there a way to put command line parameters in a KDE application's rc file, so that it will always start with them? |
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| 22:12.39 | Bread | Could anyone please explain the method KDE uses to distribute tasks in a dual head environment? |
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| 22:16.05 | Bread | Or the source file that controls it? |
| 22:17.26 | eastwood | control what? |
| 22:18.51 | Bread | The way kde distributes it's tasks to the relevant desktops in a dual headed environment eastwood. |
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| 22:21.48 | eastwood | i dunno, i dont use that |
| 22:22.02 | eastwood | i've 2 monitors, but the other is connect to the server |
| 22:22.09 | eastwood | connected* |
| 22:22.20 | eastwood | try google |
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| 22:22.37 | Bread | To the server? |
| 22:22.49 | Bread | Yeah, it's a tricky one to google :( |
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| 22:23.06 | eastwood | yeah, 2 monitors |
| 22:23.12 | eastwood | 1 to the deskto |
| 22:23.18 | eastwood | and the other 1 to the server |
| 22:23.33 | Bread | Oh right, two different machines :P |
| 22:23.40 | eastwood | ofc |
| 22:23.41 | eastwood | :) |
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| 22:24.58 | Bread | I have a dual head setup, but without using Xinerama I can't drag windows across, so I was attempting to write an application that transfers windows from one task bar to the other, the process stills runs, so I presume it's merely the KDE kicker that's distributing the tasks. |
| 22:25.49 | eastwood | might be |
| 22:26.00 | eastwood | im not expert in that, so i cant tell ya |
| 22:26.16 | Bread | Please become one :P |
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| 22:26.37 | Bread | Preferably in the duration of today or tomorrow ;) |
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| 22:28.31 | eastwood | soryr, i gotta study SQL now |
| 22:28.39 | eastwood | google is your friend |
| 22:28.41 | eastwood | he knows |
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| 22:38.36 | frb-work | can I take a .kde from a 3.5.3 install and use it on a 3.5.1 install? |
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| 22:39.32 | MetaMorfoziS | try |
| 22:39.34 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 22:40.06 | MetaMorfoziS | ithionk yes |
| 22:40.31 | eastwood | i think there will be no worries |
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| 22:48.42 | Shirakawasuna | frb-work: the problems would be minor |
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| 22:51.00 | Spum | ello |
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| 22:54.29 | Spum | I got my daughter to make a top-bar idea for a KDE design |
| 22:54.30 | Spum | http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4671/kdetopbar2sv.png |
| 22:56.10 | eastwood | topbar? |
| 22:56.14 | eastwood | for the website? |
| 22:56.35 | Spum | Yup |
| 22:56.42 | Spum | Just a spontaneous idea she had |
| 22:56.54 | eastwood | isn't it like that already= |
| 22:57.22 | eastwood | it's a bit different |
| 22:57.23 | Spum | no |
| 22:57.34 | eastwood | anyways, you can submit it in the wish list |
| 22:58.38 | Shirakawasuna | I like lower-profile ones meself :) |
| 22:58.53 | Shirakawasuna | It would be sweet elongated |
| 22:59.18 | Spum | Hmm, it looks nice to me |
| 22:59.25 | Spum | the current one is a bit cut and thrust |
| 22:59.57 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 22:59.59 | Shirakawasuna | it just looks HUGE :) |
| 23:00.15 | Shirakawasuna | if you elongated it it would still fit the site's dynamics well and look way better |
| 23:01.35 | Spum | Yeah, it is huge |
| 23:01.42 | Spum | For the purposes of showing it in detaik |
| 23:01.44 | Spum | detail |
| 23:01.51 | Shirakawasuna | yep |
| 23:01.55 | Shirakawasuna | I like it |
| 23:02.18 | Shirakawasuna | reduce it by 4x and put a bunch of filler in between the two icons and it's fantastic :) |
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| 23:07.02 | Spum | I'll give her mixed good newsa |
| 23:07.04 | Spum | :-P |
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| 23:27.39 | Eamon | How do you make a list of the contents of a folder (scanning recursivly) in a text file using the command line? |
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| 23:28.37 | grepper | find dir/ > file.txt |
| 23:28.45 | Eamon | thanks |
| 23:29.04 | grepper | or if you want just files: find dir/ -type f |
| 23:29.34 | Eamon | One other thing, "su" changes to root, how do you change back? |
| 23:29.39 | frb | exit |
| 23:30.11 | Eamon | ah, cool |
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| 23:45.28 | jimmyjimjim | Hi peeps. |
| 23:46.20 | jimmyjimjim | I'm trying to compile one of the skeleton projects in kdevelop, but gmake says it needs autoconf 2.53 or newer, and my 2.6 won't do. Any ideas? |
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| 23:47.02 | jimmyjimjim | Actually, sod it. |
| 23:47.26 | jimmyjimjim | I've just seen how much crap has already been generated before I've written a line of code. |
| 23:47.43 | jimmyjimjim | 1.2MB of it. |
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| 23:48.32 | Spum | Woo-tah |
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| 23:52.51 | Spum | Wow, this is really coming together :-D |
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| 23:55.55 | Spum | I managed to make a top bar idea with my poor web skills |
| 23:55.57 | Spum | http://www.shinto-uk.org.uk/KDE/index.html |
| 23:56.41 | frb-work | how can I change the default action on Suspend to be Suspend to RAM? |
