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| 16:47.33 | *** topic/#kde is Latest releases: stable: 3.5.3. See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! |
| 16:47.50 | knoppixsandisk | will kde even work with usb mp3 player? |
| 16:47.56 | anabain_ | knoppixsandisk, try this: 1) connect (or reconnect) the mp3 2) go to console and write this $ dmesg | grep sd* |
| 16:48.39 | knoppixsandisk | fuck u |
| 16:48.43 | anabain_ | knoppixsandisk, next time I'll have to warn this channel moderators to watch your behavior... |
| 16:48.46 | knoppixsandisk | i want a solid answer |
| 16:49.05 | knoppixsandisk | i can't get anwser |
| 16:49.13 | knoppixsandisk | from so called pros |
| 16:49.14 | anabain_ | straw, please, which is the moderator of this channel? |
| 16:49.28 | straw | aseigo has ops |
| 16:49.38 | knoppixsandisk | stop u won't answer me so i get hated on? |
| 16:49.55 | knoppixsandisk | the ops needs to know you brought this on |
| 16:50.04 | anabain_ | ok, aseigo, act please, I've been insulted as you can check |
| 16:50.18 | anabain_ | when I was trying to help knoppixsandisk |
| 16:50.18 | knoppixsandisk | he won't answer me |
| 16:50.32 | knoppixsandisk | when i wasking this kde pro |
| 16:50.42 | kronoz | find out whether a usb disk is mass storage isn't really a kde issue |
| 16:50.54 | knoppixsandisk | yes it is |
| 16:51.11 | knoppixsandisk | well kde even read it? |
| 16:51.14 | straw | lilo: ping |
| 16:51.33 | knoppixsandisk | i told you it was mp3 device not a disk |
| 16:51.54 | roxy_ | !ops |
| 16:52.39 | knoppixsandisk | i'm just asking repharsed if kde will even see a usb mp3 player |
| 16:53.54 | knoppixsandisk | i just need to know |
| 16:54.02 | kronoz | it depends what kind it is |
| 16:54.09 | knoppixsandisk | instead i get all this hate |
| 16:54.20 | roxy_ | pinotree: ping |
| 16:54.21 | knoppixsandisk | not cool |
| 16:54.42 | knoppixsandisk | usb |
| 16:55.13 | kronoz | actually until you swore at someone trying to help you no one was 'hating' you |
| 16:55.40 | knoppixsandisk | yes they were |
| 16:55.46 | knoppixsandisk | its free speech dude |
| 16:56.11 | knoppixsandisk | but getting to the point willl kde see my usb mp3 player? |
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| 16:57.04 | knoppix | back |
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| 16:57.35 | rdale | have you tried what anabain suggested to investigate the problem yet? |
| 16:57.40 | knoppix | formley sandisk |
| 16:57.48 | knoppix | i told him i can't do that |
| 16:58.03 | knoppix | just tell me what drivers i need? |
| 16:58.35 | knoppix | modprobe when it is plugge din? |
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| 16:59.08 | knoppix | something like modprobe usb-storage? |
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| 17:01.25 | knoppix | do i do that? |
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| 17:01.47 | djbeenie | what is the quick easy way to lock your desktop |
| 17:02.41 | knoppix | any ides if kde will even see it? |
| 17:02.51 | Spum | CTRL + ALT + L; djbeenie |
| 17:02.59 | knoppix | i can't belive this hsn't been asked before? |
| 17:03.14 | Desintegr | djbeenie: I have a key binded for this |
| 17:03.21 | knoppix | will kde see a falsh based mp3 player? |
| 17:03.28 | knoppix | nice |
| 17:03.36 | knoppix | flash* |
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| 17:03.57 | Spum | djbeenie: It's Ctrl+Alt+L, standard shortcut |
| 17:04.29 | knoppix | no one is well versed in flash based devices here? |
| 17:04.49 | Spum | Depends |
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| 17:06.34 | knoppix | ok go with what you know |
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| 17:07.25 | knoppix | its usb 2.0 flash based and is from sandisk |
| 17:07.31 | Spum | Then yes |
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| 17:07.38 | knoppix | yes what? |
| 17:07.45 | Spum | You can usually mount them as an external USB hard disk |
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| 17:09.28 | knoppix | ok tahnks |
| 17:09.38 | knoppix | i gave the commands for that |
| 17:10.20 | knoppix | have8 |
| 17:13.47 | Tikurion | Don't know whether anybody posed this question before, I'm just going ask anyways: Is there a setting to abbreviate window titles which are too long (not in the taskbar [/kicker], but in the titlebar)? Allow the compariosn: Windows e.g. says: "MPlayer - The Movie Pl...", whereas KDE (in this case Suse 10.1, KDE 3.5.1 if I'm not mistaken) shows the full title, even if it is too long to be displayed - it even unterlays under the buttons.. Kick |
| 17:13.47 | Tikurion | .. Suggestions? And btw: Any screens of Plasma aka. KDE 4? Dind't find too many till now (maybe intended XD). |
| 17:14.19 | Desintegr | Tikurion: KDE4 looks like KDE3, but broken :) |
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| 17:17.33 | knoppix | ask away |
| 17:18.48 | knoppix | i don't know |
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| 17:27.37 | a9913 | hey, i've set the timezone to my local timezone using KDE's time setting tool, but 'date' still displays the timezone as EDT (which is SOOO not my timezone). |
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| 17:28.42 | Desintegr | a9913: which distro ? |
| 17:28.53 | a9913 | Desintegr: knoppix 3.8.2 |
| 17:28.57 | a9913 | *3.8.1 |
| 17:29.21 | Desintegr | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html#s-tzconfig |
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| 17:30.55 | a9913 | Desintegr: thanks |
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| 17:35.45 | Tikurion | penalty shoot-out Germany Argentinia... *shivering* |
| 17:36.21 | Desintegr | Germany FTW |
| 17:38.57 | pinotree | roxy_: pong |
| 17:40.19 | tech9iner | g'day all... pinotree ... |
| 17:40.32 | tech9iner | gotta say.. kmails performance has improved after dumping spamassassin... sadly.. the catching n moving to trash of spam has declined.. i likewise removed razor.. any chance razor also improves bogo filters mates?.. all my googling seemed to imply razor supports spmssssn .. but nothing found ref to razor/bogo tho? |
| 17:40.45 | tech9iner | any mates know off top of there heads in here please.. tx |
| 17:41.46 | frb-work | ok, this is pissing me off |
| 17:41.54 | pinotree | kmail calls to spam filters and to antivirus are syncronous, tech9iner |
| 17:42.05 | frb-work | with the latest kde 3.5.3 on suse 10.1, my panel just magically decided to move from the Left Side to the Bottom |
| 17:42.34 | frb-work | and in the process, my systray lost all icons except amarok and knotes |
| 17:43.26 | frb-work | so I have no way of getting to my konvesation, kopete, susewatcher, kmix, kerry, and whatever else I was ignoring over there |
| 17:43.52 | tech9iner | sorry pinotree .. not parsing your line?.. antivirus reference?.. im mainly worried bout spam for now.. is bogo not spam filter?.. should i assume 'syncronous' ref means no razor necessary then please?.. tx as usual mate for feedback.. |
| 17:44.32 | pinotree | tech9iner: "syncronous" means that kmail fetches the mail from the server, then calls the antispam application |
| 17:44.38 | tech9iner | mainly noting after removal of spamassassin that kmail's now missing bout half of the spam both were catching before.. |
| 17:44.44 | pinotree | and while the antispam runs, kmail is frozen |
| 17:45.01 | tech9iner | ahh.. cool then.. thanks for clarity pinotree |
| 17:45.28 | MetaMorfoziS | how can i workaround to set different language to different users? so if a logins, his ui changes to france and b logins his ui changes to hungarian? |
| 17:45.30 | Desintegr | I use bogofilter, and 90% of my spam mails are filtered :) |
| 17:45.44 | tech9iner | yes yes.. specially so with both running.. locking up keyboard horridly.. that was relieved significantly upon removing spmssssn tho.. |
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| 17:46.01 | Desintegr | spamassassin is really really really slow |
| 17:46.22 | tech9iner | Desintegr hence me queries here to make sure ive got bits aligned mate ;].. new nothing of bogo before using kmail.. |
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| 17:46.45 | a9913 | i fixed the h/w clock, but now KDE displays the wrong time. :( |
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| 17:50.27 | roxy_ | pinotree: sory too late, knoppix[sandisk] was beeing insulting but I think he left the channel. |
| 17:50.42 | pinotree | sorry, was away :| |
| 17:51.27 | roxy_ | pinotree: using chanserv I could see you were active somewhere but couldn't find on which channel. Is there a way to find out ? |
| 17:51.41 | pinotree | roxy_: /whois |
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| 17:52.32 | err0r^ | GERMANY WIN! |
| 17:52.33 | err0r^ | :D |
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| 17:52.38 | Desintegr | yeah |
| 17:52.43 | roxy_ | pinotree: you were active somewhere, I join all those channel but you weren't active in any of them :/ |
| 17:52.51 | err0r^ | << come from germany *g* |
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| 17:53.11 | yaron | היי |
| 17:53.22 | roxy_ | err0r^: you believe that germany will do like france did 8 years ago ? |
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| 17:53.27 | Desintegr | << come from France :) |
| 17:53.51 | Desintegr | waiting for Germany - France in the Finale |
| 17:53.54 | err0r^ | roxy_: i think germany will win the final.. ;) |
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| 17:54.36 | err0r^ | woaah @ my street..whats going on ^^ |
| 17:54.52 | roxy_ | Desintegr: we sort of got a game on saturday to win first :-) |
| 17:56.01 | tech9iner | does bogo filter improve over time/training like some antispam apps then mates?.. |
| 17:56.23 | tech9iner | or does it work off shared public dbases ? |
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| 17:58.30 | Desintegr | tech9iner: train it during ~1 week, then it's ok |
| 17:58.47 | Desintegr | personnal db are better than public db |
| 17:58.49 | ^yaron | . |
| 17:59.14 | roxy_ | err0r^: Paris was crazy the day before yesterday |
| 18:02.23 | Spum | heh |
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| 18:06.42 | roxy_ | can I use alsaplayer as an external player in kde ? |
| 18:07.01 | pinotree | sure |
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| 18:07.33 | roxy_ | is it recommended or is there anything better ? |
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| 18:07.56 | paz | sometimes i (accidentally) have all links etc with numbers/letters so i can directly access them via keystrokes. how do i invoke this? couldnt find anything in settings/hotkey settings |
| 18:08.12 | pinotree | paz: click on Ctrl again |
| 18:08.49 | paz | ahh, thx! i love this feature |
| 18:11.37 | roxy_ | I am using alsa, I could output the kde system notification using alsamixer in the control panel. How can I do the same for juk ? |
| 18:12.13 | roxy_ | the proposed output is arts, gstreamer or akode . |
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| 18:17.20 | tech9iner | Desintegr tx muchly mate for input.. willdo.. |
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| 18:22.15 | roxy_ | I want an app to stock my music, play it, able to search music and stuff, apart from juk, what are the options ? |
| 18:23.17 | pinotree | amarok |
| 18:26.31 | roxy_ | pinotree: thanks |
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| 18:28.19 | bam_ | morning |
| 18:28.43 | bam_ | where is the location of the mouse cursors folder? |
| 18:30.58 | roxy_ | amarok rocks :-) |
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| 18:39.04 | kronoz | whenever i open konqueror it has the bookmarks toolbar on, how can i stop it doing that? it looks really stupid |
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| 18:44.36 | paz | settings -> save view profile "your profile" |
| 18:44.39 | paz | i think |
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| 18:46.10 | kronoz | paz, tried that |
| 18:46.12 | kronoz | brb |
| 18:46.35 | bam_ | mouse cursors anyone? |
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| 18:47.51 | psych0 | is there a way to configure ctrl+left_arrow to move trough words in konsole ?? |
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| 18:49.29 | psych0 | right now, it types 5D |
| 18:50.59 | paz | does this work in a text-mode console? |
| 18:51.38 | psych0 | nope.. but in text-mode it moves char by char |
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| 18:52.43 | paz | i dont know wether such things belong to the shell or the vt |
| 18:52.47 | paz | but it would be nice |
| 18:53.16 | psych0 | i think it's a xorg issue... cause in xterm it's the same thing.. |
| 18:54.23 | psych0 | in rxvt it works :S |
| 18:54.30 | paz | i changed vt to vt100 in konsole, still 5d |
| 18:56.23 | psych0 | in konsole, the only that produces a 5D is the Xterm(4.x.x) the others moves trough chars |
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| 18:57.20 | paz | not in my version |
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| 18:57.32 | paz | i get 5d for vt100 and linux console |
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| 18:58.23 | Bearcat | hello folks |
| 18:58.35 | psych0 | paz, strange.. what's your kde version? |
| 18:58.40 | paz | i just emerged rxvt and still have "5d" |
| 18:58.48 | psych0 | paz, and xorg version |
| 18:59.09 | paz | 6.8.2-r7 |
| 18:59.30 | paz | but my xorg.config may be crippled by aticonfig --initial |
| 18:59.51 | psych0 | Bearcat, hi there!! |
| 19:00.10 | Bearcat | I'm running kde 3.5.3. I just installed qt4 last night to play around with it. Now, when i log into kde via kdm, i get some plugin errors. Is this expected behavior? I thought qt4 could be installed along side kde3 with out conflicts. |
| 19:00.14 | Bearcat | hello psych0! |
| 19:00.44 | Bearcat | the easy fix is to uninstall qt4, but i'd like to know if it's even causing the problem first. |
| 19:01.08 | psych0 | Bearcat, you compiled qt from source? |
| 19:01.23 | Bearcat | psych0: yes. Everything on here is compild from source. |
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| 19:02.01 | paz | Bearcat: gentoo? |
| 19:02.05 | psych0 | Bearcat, nice!! how long it takes?? if it's not that much I can do a test here for you |
| 19:03.00 | Bearcat | paz: using sourcemage (gentoo like but uses bash) |
| 19:03.11 | paz | the filesize is 27,269 kB, so it could take some time |
| 19:03.24 | Bearcat | psych0: it takes an hour or so on my amd 64 3500 with 1 gig of ram |
| 19:03.44 | Bearcat | psych0: but the qt-demo program is worth the wait alone. It's very, very cool |
| 19:04.34 | Bearcat | psych0: what i'm wondering is that, if i recompile a kde or qt app, will it try to use kde 4 now? |
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| 19:05.18 | psych0 | Bearcat, don't know that.. sorry |
| 19:05.56 | paz | in case of emerge i would get a new "SLOT" for v4, so both versions can coexist |
| 19:06.15 | paz | and i think compiling depends on include and linker paths |
| 19:06.45 | psych0 | Bearcat, you got the 4.1.4 ? |
| 19:07.55 | Bearcat | lemme check |
| 19:08.10 | Bearcat | 4.1.4 |
| 19:08.55 | Bearcat | it is really sweet. Yanno how Elightenment is all cool looking, but noone wants to wait 2-3 years before releases? |
| 19:09.02 | Bearcat | *Enlightenment |
| 19:09.16 | Bearcat | This makes enlightenment look boring :) and it's fast as hell! |
| 19:09.32 | psych0 | nice :p |
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| 19:14.54 | jadeck | hello |
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| 19:19.31 | Raito | I have a problem with kaffeine: It never loads up, when I start it up the box pops up and it takes a while to finish loading, but when it does load there is no buttons, no bar, just white/lightblue space. Also the bouncing kaffeine logo acts as an eraser to everything that kaffeine does load. What happened? |
| 19:20.56 | tech9iner | any mates playing with iFolder on suse10.0 yet? |
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| 19:23.20 | Bearcat | Raito: what's your distro? |
| 19:23.49 | Raito | Kubuntu 6.06, I should note that I have used Kaffeine before, but one time it didn't close tidily and I had the problem ever since |
| 19:26.58 | roxy_ | is there a kde gui client ? |
| 19:27.52 | roxy_ | sorry: is there a kde ftp gui client ? |
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| 19:32.33 | kronoz | roxy_: er ... konqueror? |
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| 19:33.47 | straw | does kde have a tool for storing ssh passphrases? |
| 19:34.22 | tech9iner | so riddle me this mates.. |
| 19:34.31 | tech9iner | bit gunshy here 2 put it mildly hehe |
| 19:35.07 | tech9iner | any dire warnings on installing gtk-sharp for iFolder mates?.. on 10.0 that is.. any breakage known? |
| 19:35.31 | tech9iner | maybe it was 'qt' bits that broke 10.0 b4?.. hmmm.. |
| 19:36.12 | tech9iner | wooops.. hmm.. wrong channel.. hehe.. |
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| 19:44.23 | roxy_ | kronoz: I used konqueror a lot but didn't know it did also ftp client . |
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| 19:45.15 | abhi | hi all |
| 19:45.26 | abhi | i want to know how to install kde3.5 using yum |
| 19:45.36 | abhi | on FC3 |
| 19:45.43 | abhi | i went to the KDE website |
| 19:46.00 | abhi | and updated my yum.conf file using the kde.repo link |
| 19:46.04 | abhi | now what do i do? |
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| 19:53.27 | roxy_ | I want to read mailing list without having to subscribe to it. On some I can use the archive site using atom feed, but kagregator doesn't keep thread and it is not possible to reply. Is there an app that does it ? |
| 19:54.38 | roxy_ | and knode seems only for newsgroup, not mailing list. |
| 19:55.05 | Sho_ | Why not subscribe? |
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| 19:56.19 | roxy_ | Sho_: it is high traffic mailing list. I don't want to get that in my mail box |
| 19:57.09 | Sho_ | Set your mail client to automatically delete mails beyond a certain age for the respective folder, perhaps? |
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| 20:00.01 | stoned | Sho_, hello |
| 20:00.06 | Sho_ | hi stoned |
| 20:00.14 | stoned | Sho_, I tried out the lastest version of konversation but not for long |
| 20:00.46 | stoned | It seems improved a lot than I remember from months ago |
| 20:00.48 | roxy_ | Sho_: will try that, thanks |
| 20:00.52 | stoned | good work |
| 20:00.53 | Bearcat | let me just say, that i tried the qt4 demos last night. WOW. It makes Enlightenment look boring! It's fast too! |
| 20:00.56 | stoned | definitely good work |
| 20:01.08 | Sho_ | Bearcat: And the new Qt 4.2 demos are even more impressive ;-) |
| 20:01.13 | Sho_ | stoned: Glad you like it |
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| 20:01.21 | stoned | Sho_, there is one thing though |
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| 20:01.50 | stoned | I love the right aligned tex/tnicks or a seperator bar that runs through *in xcaht to seperate nicks from channel text* |
| 20:02.00 | stoned | I love that feature, could you kindly implement something like that |
| 20:02.01 | roxy_ | Sho_: are you a konversation authors ? nice, I switched to it from emacs-erc last month. |
| 20:02.09 | Sho_ | stoned: It's on the agenda, but it will be a while |
| 20:02.21 | stoned | Sho_, so long as you are aware of it |
| 20:02.24 | stoned | :) |
| 20:02.24 | Sho_ | roxy_: I'm one of the maintainers, yes - welcome to Konvi :) |
| 20:03.16 | djbeenie | what is the difference between -02 and -03 in my make.conf ? |
| 20:03.28 | djbeenie | Cflags i mean |
| 20:03.33 | djbeenie | ack wrong board |
| 20:03.36 | Sho_ | djbeenie: First of, it's O2/O3, not 02/03 :-) |
| 20:03.50 | djbeenie | oops |
| 20:03.50 | djbeenie | lol |
| 20:04.00 | djbeenie | long day |
| 20:04.03 | djbeenie | haha |
| 20:04.47 | Sho_ | djbeenie: It specifies the optimization level that the compiler is to try and acchieve. Without closer understanding of what happens, it's recommended to stick to O2. |
| 20:04.50 | kucrut | Sho_: you made the yakuake ebuild? ;-) |
| 20:05.14 | kucrut | the -svn, i mean |
| 20:05.21 | Sho_ | kucrut: No |
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| 20:05.33 | kucrut | :( |
| 20:05.34 | Sho_ | kucrut: I'm the current Yakuake developer/maintainer, however |
| 20:05.54 | Sho_ | ah |
| 20:05.55 | kucrut | i know that already :P |
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| 20:06.22 | kucrut | Sho_: how are my requests? ;-) |
| 20:06.26 | Sho_ | kucrut: Can you link me to the ebuild? |
| 20:06.38 | Sho_ | (just to check if it's okay ;-) |
| 20:07.04 | kucrut | bleh, i was asking.... have you made the yakuake-svn ebuild like you did for konvi? :P |
| 20:07.29 | Sho_ | kucrut: Oh, I understood your question to be about a yakuake-svn ebuild someone had published |
| 20:07.45 | kucrut | yea, my bad :( |
| 20:08.02 | Sho_ | kucrut: But ... answer is still no ;) |
| 20:08.18 | kucrut | answer for ebuild or requests? ;-) |
| 20:08.37 | Sho_ | kucrut: Could you remind me of your requests again? |
| 20:08.42 | kucrut | ahahah |
| 20:08.48 | kucrut | paste and moving tabs |
| 20:09.04 | Sho_ | kucrut: If they're not in the bugtracker I don't know who requests what, sorry |
| 20:09.25 | Sho_ | kucrut: I added paste, but moving tabs are still to do |
| 20:09.48 | kucrut | that's fine, thanks ;-) |
| 20:09.58 | kucrut | paste is the most important tho |
| 20:10.54 | Sho_ | kucrut: I need to rewrite the tab bar anyway to be bidi-capable |
| 20:11.20 | kucrut | for right-to-left support? |
| 20:11.47 | Sho_ | kucrut: Exactly |
| 20:11.55 | kucrut | great!! |
| 20:12.32 | roxy_ | Sho_: which language is used to write konversation ? |
| 20:12.35 | kucrut | Sho_: how do i make the tab bar _not_ transparent? |
| 20:12.52 | Sho_ | kucrut: By modifying the skin |
| 20:12.55 | Sho_ | roxy_: C++ |
| 20:13.04 | Sho_ | roxy_: Eww |
| 20:13.12 | Raito_ | I have a problem with kaffeine: It never loads up, when I start it up the box pops up and it takes a while to finish loading, but when it does load there is no buttons, no bar, just white/lightblue space. Also the bouncing kaffeine logo acts as an eraser to everything that kaffeine does load. What happened? Using Kubuntu 6.06, and KDE 3.5.2. Thanks |
| 20:13.35 | kucrut | Raito_: try running it from terminal |
| 20:13.51 | kucrut | Sho_: skin, in what menu? schema? |
| 20:14.26 | Sho_ | kucrut: No, the PNG pixmaps Yakuake constructs its UI from |
| 20:14.39 | Sho_ | kucrut: The default skin is in $KDEDIRS/share/apps/yakuake |
| 20:14.59 | Raito_ | kucrut: Same problem |
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| 20:15.12 | kucrut | Raito_: did you get any mssg there? |
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| 20:15.20 | kucrut | that's the purpose ;;-) |
| 20:15.39 | Raito_ | kucrut: Oh, I'll pastebin it one moment |
| 20:16.20 | DeadS0ul | ze germans won! =D |
| 20:17.07 | Raito_ | kucrut: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16867 |
| 20:17.40 | kucrut | k |
| 20:18.34 | kucrut | Raito_: try moving ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc to some other place and restart kaffeine |
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| 20:19.31 | kucrut | Sho_: ok, thanks. i'm dl-ing some skins from kde-look now ;-) |
| 20:20.51 | Raito_ | kucrut: almost the same thing, except the box was much smaller this time |
| 20:22.37 | kucrut | Raito: you have the latest, right? (0.8.1) |
| 20:23.07 | Raito | kucrut: I believe I do (it comes with the latest KDE right?) |
| 20:23.49 | kucrut | i have kde split packages, i dont know about it |
| 20:24.44 | Raito | kucrut: Well assume I have the latest version, if it isn't 0.8.1 it is 0.8.0, because I know that it was 0.8something |
| 20:24.59 | kucrut | i have 0.8.1 working fine here (gentoo), although i rarely use it |
| 20:27.21 | Raito | kucrut: Since I can't get it working might as well get another media player. I have vlc for video but I need a lightweight music player. What would you reccomend? |
| 20:27.39 | DeadS0ul | juk is pretty light weight |
| 20:27.42 | kucrut | juk |
| 20:27.48 | kucrut | perfect DeadS0ul;-) |
| 20:27.55 | Raito | thanks, I'll take a look at it |
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| 20:29.17 | DeadS0ul | hehe |
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| 20:30.23 | roxy_ | is there anything better than knode as newsreader ? |
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| 20:32.11 | Raito | Nothing happens when I play in Juk O_O |
| 20:32.51 | kucrut | ouch |
| 20:33.01 | kucrut | you got serious problem then ;-) |
| 20:33.09 | raphink | Raito: what distro? |
| 20:33.14 | Raito | Kubuntu 6.06 |
| 20:33.23 | raphink | Raito: playing what kind of files? |
| 20:33.40 | roxy_ | Raito: I couldn't get juk to work and amarok worked out of the box. |
| 20:34.00 | raphink | Raito: mp3s ? |
| 20:34.01 | kucrut | roxy_: i got both of em working fine ;-) |
| 20:34.34 | Raito | Playing mp3's, (I got the codecs for it and it works find in Amarok and Kaffeine, err worked fine in kaffeine) |
| 20:34.53 | roxy_ | kucrut: well, juk was working fine, it just didn't make any sound ... |
| 20:35.13 | kucrut | then it's not working ;-) |
| 20:35.14 | raphink | Raito: you sure you got all the steps from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats ? |
| 20:35.14 | Raito | amaroK is too heavy a load on my system >_> |
| 20:35.44 | Raito | raphink: Yes I am sure, it works with other media players, or I'll see if anything special needs to be done with JuK |
| 20:35.49 | roxy_ | it seems knode development stopped 2 years ago. :( |
| 20:36.30 | Raito | ah-hah! for JuK it needs one more packager |
| 20:36.44 | raphink | Raito: I'll try juk |
| 20:36.57 | raphink | Raito: you're welcome as a packager :) |
| 20:37.10 | Raito | typo, meant package |
| 20:37.18 | raphink | ah? |
| 20:37.21 | raphink | what package? |
| 20:37.32 | Raito | libarts1-xine |
| 20:37.51 | raphink | it's missing from the dependencies? |
| 20:38.26 | Raito | Wait it still doesn't work |
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| 20:39.27 | kucrut | doesnt juk use akode? |
| 20:39.33 | djk_ | where can i disable that it loads the old session? |
| 20:40.15 | kucrut | djk_: kcontrol > kde components > session manager, i think |
| 20:40.22 | Raito | What is akode? |
| 20:40.31 | djk_ | ah, thanks |
| 20:40.59 | kucrut | "A simple framework to decode the most common audio formats" |
| 20:41.08 | kucrut | that's from the ebuild ;-) |
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| 20:41.49 | Raito | JuK can play the "ubuntu sax" thing in examples, so its probbably an mp3 problem |
| 20:42.19 | raphink | I think so |
| 20:43.55 | raphink | Raito: could you report a but on it ? |
| 20:43.58 | raphink | please |
| 20:44.13 | Raito | ok, to where? KDE? JuK? |
| 20:44.39 | Raito | What other things might I be missing that I need to get JuK to work? |
| 20:44.57 | raphink | Raito: to juk on https://launchpad.net/malone |
| 20:46.04 | stoned | I cannot find the option in settings in kcontrol where I can make desktop name/number pop up when I switch desktops |
| 20:46.08 | stoned | which modules has it |
| 20:46.14 | stoned | i've seen it, i can't find it |
| 20:47.18 | Raito | Ahh, I need to log in to launchpad, and it is so confusing. I also don't know what to say >_> |
| 20:47.34 | stoned | anyone? |
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| 20:49.15 | stoned | ahh ok finally found it |
| 20:49.19 | stoned | its in window behaviour |
| 20:49.41 | stoned | shouldn't this option be under desktop behaviour? |
| 20:49.45 | stoned | it seems only logical |
| 20:49.58 | roxy_ | isn't it possible in knode to have the group and header and article in the same window ? |
| 20:50.12 | SimAtWork | stoned: i dunno. i'd call that behaviour. |
| 20:50.15 | stoned | is there a reason why this option "Popup desktop name on desktop switch" is in window behaviour settings rather then desktop |
| 20:50.18 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:50.31 | stoned | I still think otherwise, but no problem. so long as I know where it is hehe |
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| 20:57.30 | frb-work | anyone setup Xorg to be able to hotplug displays? |
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| 20:58.51 | Lynucs_N3WB|3 | Hello? |
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| 21:02.09 | rork | hi |
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| 21:11.22 | jc-denton | where can i configure my muet, vol up/down button in kde |
| 21:11.25 | jc-denton | i cannot find it |
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| 21:11.37 | jc-denton | i looked in shortcuts for it |
| 21:13.43 | thiago | run kmix |
| 21:15.26 | jc-denton | humm that doesn't help |
| 21:15.49 | jc-denton | the muet led is red and nothing happens when i press on it |
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| 21:16.48 | jc-denton | under gnome it worked automatically |
| 21:16.58 | jc-denton | (no joke) |
| 21:17.43 | jc-denton | is there support for 'multimedia keys' in kde/kubuntu? |
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| 21:20.01 | Sho_ | jc-denton: Select an appropriate keyboard model in the keyboard layout preferences |
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| 21:21.49 | jc-denton | Sho_: thx worked |
| 21:22.53 | jc-denton | kde is amazing faster then gnome |
| 21:22.56 | jc-denton | :) |
| 21:24.10 | Sho_ | jc-denton: And thanks for reminding me to play Deus Ex again ;) |
| 21:24.50 | jc-denton | heh |
| 21:25.09 | Set | where in KDE is the trash icons located, and where is the kmix icon located? |
| 21:27.16 | jc-denton | but i still don't hear any sound |
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| 21:31.17 | jc-denton | strange is that not even < nils@nx7010:~ > cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 21:31.20 | jc-denton | workds |
| 21:31.21 | jc-denton | works |
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| 21:44.00 | jc-denton | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 21:44.01 | jc-denton | See `config.log' for more details |
| 21:44.15 | jc-denton | i get this when trying to build amarok from svn |
| 21:44.26 | jc-denton | i cannot figure out which kubuntu package i need |
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| 21:55.05 | _intrade | for kanotix you need debian pakets |
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| 21:55.19 | _intrade | not ubuntus crap |
| 21:55.38 | _intrade | wops wrong channel |
| 21:55.42 | jc-denton | lol |
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| 22:38.32 | roadrunner_ | Hey everyone |
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| 22:39.15 | roadrunner_ | Could someone help me out installing some Nvidia drivers in Kubuntu Linux? |
| 22:39.34 | Renze | um, this is #kde, not #kubuntu |
| 22:39.49 | roadrunner_ | I know... there was no one in #kubuntu when I just went there... |
| 22:40.04 | Renze | try #ubuntu then |
| 22:40.04 | Sho_ | roadrunner_: I believe Kubuntu has a FAQ entry on that somewhere |
| 22:40.22 | roadrunner_ | Hm... they do, but if only it would work that easily, lol |
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| 22:40.38 | roadrunner_ | it keeps saying I am missing packages and such... so I downloaded all the packages I needed and such |
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| 22:40.55 | roadrunner_ | but now it tells me something about making sure the RPM is installed for my kernel... what does that mean? |
| 22:41.18 | roadrunner_ | I am A+ certified by the way, so not a complete noob with computers =D Its just A+ doesn't really help me much with linux... |
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| 22:42.02 | icwiener | roadrunner_: Tried installing rpm? |
| 22:42.09 | roadrunner_ | I don't know what it is to be honest with you |
| 22:42.31 | icwiener | It is a packetmanager originated in redhat(?) |
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| 22:42.35 | roadrunner_ | that was my point... this is my first ever linux install. Very smoothly so far, as everything, including my wireless adapter, worked right away |
| 22:42.45 | nondysjunction_ | hello |
| 22:42.47 | Renze | roadrunner_: there should be two packages for the nvidia stuff, I think... one with a kernel module, and one with all the GL drivers |
| 22:42.51 | icwiener | So maybe kubuntu gets the rpm package of the nvidia driver. |
| 22:42.58 | roadrunner_ | and most people complain about the Linksys card I have not working, so I was very happy with it working... but I can't seem to get the Nvidia drivers to work |
| 22:43.02 | icwiener | But I do not know about it welll. |
| 22:43.07 | roadrunner_ | would someone explain what RPM is? |
| 22:43.14 | Renze | a package manager |
| 22:43.20 | roadrunner_ | like Adept? |
| 22:43.27 | Renze | I don't know what adept is |
| 22:43.30 | icwiener | sort of ;) |
| 22:43.31 | roadrunner_ | It's just a way of downloading and installing packages? |
| 22:43.38 | icwiener | Commandline. |
| 22:43.41 | Renze | no, it's a package format |
| 22:43.46 | roadrunner_ | Adept is what was packeged with Kubuntu, but it has a GUI interface |
| 22:43.53 | icwiener | And a commandline tool. |
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| 22:44.22 | icwiener | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager |
| 22:44.24 | roadrunner_ | oh, a package format? Im confused... all I know, is when I try to initiate the Nvidia install, it says something about needing the RPM for my Kernel. How would I go about finding this RPM? |
| 22:44.45 | Renze | does kubuntu even use rpm? I thought it was debian based? |
| 22:44.55 | roadrunner_ | It is supposedly debian based |
| 22:44.55 | nondysjunction_ | I am trying to use kwin to force a dock (well, not quite a dock... standalone engage, for those who are familiar) to stay below windows. I set "Keep Below" to force, but it still seems to jump to the front when clicking it. Any suggestions? |
| 22:45.17 | icwiener | It is hard to say what it means. RPM is a package format AND an package manager. So it would be helpful to know exactly what it says. |
| 22:45.19 | roadrunner_ | but, the install asked for RPM or something... like I said, I don't know what it means. Do you want me to go try the install again, and tell you exactly what it says? |
| 22:45.45 | roadrunner_ | I have to go do it at the prompt though... it doesn't let me install while running X |
| 22:46.02 | roadrunner_ | so, are you going to be here when I get back in like, 5 minutes? |
| 22:46.20 | icwiener | maybe ;) |
| 22:46.27 | roadrunner_ | hehe... Ill try to be quick |
| 22:46.29 | roadrunner_ | Ill be right back =D |
| 22:46.38 | roadrunner_ | thanks for the help ahead of time |
| 22:48.41 | Ash-Fox | Is there any application for KDE, which just notifies when you have new e-mail (not a mail client, just a tray application)? |
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| 22:49.12 | Renze | Ash-Fox: korn |
| 22:49.21 | Renze | or kbiff |
| 22:49.24 | Ash-Fox | Renze, thankyou :) |
| 22:49.29 | Renze | no problem |
| 22:50.47 | Renze | Ash-Fox: chances are you have korn already |
| 22:51.07 | Ash-Fox | Actually, I don't, hence why I'm installing it. |
| 22:51.23 | Renze | it's part of kdenetwork |
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| 22:52.46 | roadrunner_ | icweiner, are you still here? |
| 22:53.11 | nondysjunction | I am trying to use kwin to force a dock (well, not quite a dock... standalone engage, for those who are familiar) to stay below windows. I set "Keep Below" to force, but it still seems to jump to the front when clicking it. Any suggestions? |
| 22:53.22 | roadrunner_ | alrighty then... I see your name over there ;) So, Im going to start posting the error, okay? |
| 22:53.37 | Renze | if it's long, use a pastebin instead |
| 22:53.45 | roadrunner_ | pardon? |
| 22:53.46 | Renze | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 22:53.52 | roadrunner_ | Im a noob to Linux, remember? |
| 22:53.55 | Renze | a place you can paste lots of text |
| 22:54.00 | Renze | it's not about linux |
| 22:54.05 | Ash-Fox | hmmm, kbiff and korn look really similar in functionality and support |
| 22:54.06 | Renze | windows users can use it too |
| 22:54.20 | Renze | Ash-Fox: they do the same job, basically |
| 22:54.25 | roadrunner_ | it's not that long... I've never had to do anything like that before... |
| 22:54.40 | roadrunner_ | this is just an error message |
| 22:54.47 | Renze | most channels on freenode have flood protection |
| 22:54.55 | Renze | if it's three lines or less, no problem |
| 22:55.02 | roadrunner_ | nah... it's like 6 |
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| 22:55.33 | nondysjunction | roadrunner_: 6 will likely get you kicked. =( |
| 22:56.17 | roadrunner_ | so... uh... how do I do it then, lol |
| 22:56.36 | Renze | put it on http://rafb.net/paste/ and paste the URL |
| 22:57.27 | nondysjunction | heh... |
| 22:57.42 | nondysjunction | roadrunner_: it's simple. You should have no problems doing it. |
| 22:57.45 | Renze | this isn't rocket science :) |
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| 22:58.28 | nondysjunction | Renze: what is (just about rocket science) is getting kwin to keep engage below windows. >_< |
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| 22:59.18 | Renze | nondysjunction: do you have the second checkbox ticked too? the one after the dropdown |
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| 22:59.34 | nondysjunction | Renze: I am almost positive I do, but let me recheck. |
| 22:59.49 | Renze | other than that, I don't know what the problem might be |
| 23:00.16 | nondysjunction | Renze: It is indeed checked. Perhaps the window is being considered a dock or something? |
| 23:00.40 | Renze | no idea... never used engage... have a general dislike of enlightenment :) |
| 23:01.23 | nondysjunction | Renze: engage is the only decent osx style launcher... kxdocker is a worthless excuse for such. =D |
| 23:01.32 | Renze | you could probably duplicate it's functionality with a superkaramba theme, and that *would* stay in the background :) |
| 23:01.53 | Renze | why would you want an osx style launcher? :) |
| 23:02.26 | nondysjunction | Renze: kxdocker, osxbar (that's superkaramba-based) hog resources and don't scale smoothly. Why would I want one? Eye candy? =D |
| 23:02.55 | Renze | oh what foolish followers of eye-candy these mortals be :) |
| 23:03.13 | Renze | why not just buy a mac? :P |
| 23:03.47 | nondysjunction | Renze: Because this is a more suitable waste of my countless unused hours and system resources? |
| 23:03.59 | Ash-Fox | Mac doesn't let you customize eye candy |
| 23:04.05 | Ash-Fox | it just comes as eye candy and that's it |
| 23:04.17 | nondysjunction | What he said! |
| 23:04.32 | Renze | oooookay... |
| 23:04.53 | Ash-Fox | Have you ever tried to customize a mac? You hace to edit XML FILES |
| 23:04.56 | Renze | I personally think spare CPU cycles are better used with distcc or similar :) |
| 23:05.07 | Ash-Fox | And type in SECRET COMMANDS and restart the system to see changes. it's horrible. |
| 23:05.18 | Renze | of course it is... it's Apple |
| 23:05.31 | Ash-Fox | And people tell me Linux stuff is harder? Hah! |
| 23:05.47 | nondysjunction | Ash-Fox: Linux stuff is harder. Hah! |
| 23:05.48 | Renze | linux is easy... it is the perception of difficulty that makes it hard |
| 23:06.25 | nondysjunction | Renze: I dunno. For the life of me I _cannot_ make my father understand the linux filesystem structure. |
| 23:06.33 | Ash-Fox | nondysjunction, I find Mac a lot harder honestly. And windows near impossible when it comes to customization without 3rd party programs that intercept api calls etc. |
| 23:06.45 | Renze | nondysjunction: did you use a brick? :D |
| 23:06.57 | nondysjunction | Renze: lmao. |
| 23:07.28 | Renze | does he understand the windows filesystem structure? :D |
| 23:10.36 | nondysjunction | Renze: C:. |
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| 23:11.06 | Renze | yes, I know.. but does he "understand" it? :D |
| 23:11.13 | Renze | why is it called C:? |
| 23:11.20 | nondysjunction | Renze: sure he does... |
| 23:11.40 | nondysjunction | Renze: He loses it when the CDroms and such mount inside / somewhere... he thinks it has to be separate, like D: or E: or whatever. |
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| 23:12.09 | Renze | in unix, everything is a file |
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| 23:12.20 | nondysjunction | Renze: Naturally. |
| 23:12.26 | Blissex | Renze: mostly, everything is a file in Plan 9... |
| 23:12.28 | Renze | tell him that |
| 23:12.33 | nondysjunction | Renze: I have. |
| 23:12.44 | Renze | then use the brick to make sure it stays |
| 23:13.30 | nondysjunction | Haha |
| 23:13.58 | Renze | "unlearn what you have learned" -- yoda |
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| 23:14.05 | mpupu | Hi |
| 23:14.24 | mpupu | Is it possible to add a "quick bookmarks" toolbar to Konqueror like in Firefox? |
| 23:14.34 | Renze | yes |
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| 23:14.55 | Renze | Settings -> Toolbars -> Bookmarks toolbar |
| 23:15.06 | mpupu | oops |
| 23:15.12 | mpupu | yeah, i see it now |
| 23:15.13 | mpupu | thanks |
| 23:15.19 | Renze | no problem |
| 23:16.16 | Renze | then in the bookmarks editor, you can right click on a folder and select Set as Toolbar Folder |
| 23:17.28 | MSWindow | >_< |
| 23:17.30 | Renze | blasphemy! |
| 23:17.48 | Renze | ack! |
| 23:17.59 | Set | haha |
| 23:18.04 | Set | crashed |
| 23:18.07 | Ash-Fox | How do I set the delay of 'passive popups' on KDE? |
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| 23:18.49 | BabaLi | lol :-) |
| 23:18.59 | MSWindows | Gotta love O/S roleplaying, haha. |
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| 23:21.17 | nondysjunction | On an unrelated note, Soul Calibur 3 on the hardest difficulty plain and simply cheats. |
| 23:21.46 | rob | like a normal human player? :P |
| 23:22.17 | nondysjunction | Even moreso! |
| 23:22.29 | unity | nondysjunction: werd, i tried one hour to kill the umbrella girl and then gave up |
| 23:22.36 | rob | at least its realistic :) |
| 23:22.52 | nondysjunction | unity: Im a tournament player and "umbrella girl" is my best player. |
| 23:23.19 | nondysjunction | You only _ever_ have a 50/50 chance to break a throw. On extremely hard, the compy has broken 38 throws in a row, and counting. XD |
| 23:23.50 | unity | i have only played that game for about one hour so i have no clue what you are talking about |
| 23:24.11 | nondysjunction | hehe |
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| 23:24.24 | nondysjunction | It does things that aren't simply possible, pretty much sums it up. |
| 23:24.24 | ironfroggy | how can i configure the clock to keep the same timezone? it keeps changing.. |
| 23:24.40 | nondysjunction | ironfroggy: NTP is a good option. |
| 23:24.45 | Renze | ironfroggy: that depends on your distro |
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| 23:25.20 | ironfroggy | its just the timezone that the clock on the kde bar displays that keeps changing. |
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| 23:25.31 | Renze | so your system clock is OK? |
| 23:25.41 | ironfroggy | yeah |
| 23:25.45 | Renze | weird |
| 23:25.58 | ironfroggy | i kept thinking it was wrong, but ive realized its just the clock applet in kde not displaying the right timezone. |
| 23:26.05 | Renze | do you have more than one timezone set up and using the mouse wheel over the clock? |
| 23:26.11 | ironfroggy | one day it thinks im in berlin, and the next im a russian. |
| 23:26.18 | nondysjunction | ironfroggy: I am willing to bet your system clock isn't okay, or you haven't set your timezone. |
| 23:26.26 | Renze | ironfroggy: then set up the applet properly |
| 23:26.39 | ironfroggy | ive told it what timezone im in, but it just changes it again later. |
| 23:27.06 | Set | that's not very nice |
| 23:27.34 | nondysjunction | Aww, I'm sorry. :*( |
| 23:27.43 | ironfroggy | if i go into the clock configuration, it even has the right timezone checked in the list. |
| 23:28.05 | ironfroggy | but it keeps changing the display timezone away from "local timezone" |
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| 23:28.22 | Renze | ironfroggy: and you're not rolling your mouse wheel while pointing at the clock? |
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| 23:28.52 | Set | nondysjunction: I forgive you. |
| 23:29.19 | nondysjunction | Set: I expect nothing less. |
| 23:29.31 | nondysjunction | XD |
| 23:29.41 | ironfroggy | Renze: well, its interesting that it does that. i dont think i am, tho.. |
| 23:29.49 | ironfroggy | can i disable that functionality? |
| 23:30.02 | Renze | make sure only one timezone is ticked in the list |
| 23:30.10 | Renze | yours :) |
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| 23:31.03 | Renze | actually, I think if you untick them all, it will only show local time |
| 23:31.10 | ironfroggy | ugh, there should be an option to disable that mouse-rollover switching. |
| 23:31.26 | Renze | there is... untick all the other timezones |
| 23:31.37 | nondysjunction | heh... |
| 23:32.31 | icwiener | roadrunner_: Sorry, out for some time... any progress? |
| 23:33.16 | ironfroggy | but i still want to be able to change them easily, just not accidentally. |
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| 23:34.22 | Renze | ironfroggy: how do they change other than mouse wheel? |
| 23:34.45 | ironfroggy | right click -> show timezone |
| 23:35.10 | Renze | I usually just hover and let the tooltip show them all :) |
| 23:35.28 | ironfroggy | is it possible to show multiple clock applets with different timezones? |
| 23:35.37 | Renze | yes, just add more clock applets |
| 23:35.48 | ironfroggy | will their configurations get mixed up? |
| 23:35.53 | Renze | no |
| 23:36.06 | Renze | their rc files have random stuff in the names |
| 23:36.30 | Renze | for example: lock_panelapplet_1weri1jk1l1vcvt9cog8_rc |
| 23:36.48 | Renze | er |
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| 23:36.54 | Renze | for example: clock_panelapplet_1weri1jk1l1vcvt9cog8_rc |
| 23:36.56 | ironfroggy | the timezone list is missing important cities, too |
| 23:37.10 | Renze | it only needs one city per timezone |
| 23:37.37 | ironfroggy | not if you arent sure of every city in the timezone you need. i just want to tell it "this is the city, use its timezone" |
| 23:38.41 | Renze | that's where google helps :) |
| 23:38.57 | ironfroggy | bah dont make me go somewhere else. ill file a bug report. |
| 23:39.10 | ironfroggy | maybe it should use some web service to map cities you type by name to their timezones. |
| 23:39.29 | Renze | feel free to code it and submit a patch :) |
| 23:39.41 | ironfroggy | if i only had the time. |
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| 23:41.32 | ironfroggy | hmm.. so it seems that with multiple clocks i can have some 12-hour and some 24-hour, because its only a global setting. is that right? |
| 23:41.56 | Renze | it's set according to the locale you are in |
| 23:42.29 | ironfroggy | but i cant set that per-clock applet? |
| 23:42.34 | Renze | no |
| 23:42.39 | ironfroggy | that stinks. |
| 23:42.48 | ironfroggy | another report |
| 23:42.54 | Renze | and complaining about free software won't get you anywhere :P |
| 23:43.29 | ironfroggy | calm down. 1) if no one complained, we wouldnt know what to improve. 2) i have contributed to my share of free software. |
| 23:43.43 | ironfroggy | complaining is what bug trackers are all about. |
| 23:43.58 | Renze | no, reporting bugs is what bug trackers are all about |
| 23:44.12 | ironfroggy | but i wont complain unless i verify something is actually missing (in my view) rather than me just missing something. |
| 23:44.18 | ironfroggy | bugs are complaints. |
| 23:44.22 | icwiener | "that stinks" is complaining, "that is what's strange" is bugreporting. :) |
| 23:44.36 | ironfroggy | semantics. |
| 23:44.45 | ironfroggy | bugs stink. you cant disagree with that! |
| 23:44.55 | icwiener | I can. |
| 23:45.04 | Renze | they're not bugs... they're features you want that most people don't need |
| 23:45.07 | icwiener | Bugs are so normal as the program itself. |
| 23:45.28 | icwiener | I like hunting bugs somehow. :) |
| 23:45.30 | ironfroggy | "bug", "feature request", it all goes into the "bug"-tracker |
| 23:45.44 | icwiener | But it's not the same. |
| 23:46.05 | ironfroggy | you know i feel like im being personally attacked here for having some thoughts on improving software I love. that aint cool. |
| 23:46.25 | Renze | neither is saying "that stinks" |
| 23:46.39 | icwiener | personally attacked? |
| 23:46.39 | Renze | just because it doesn't do what YOU want |
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| 23:49.33 | ironfroggy | any bug or feature request is something not doing something that some person wants it to do. stop attacking me because i was trying to have some dialogue about a few opinions, which is what free software is supposed be about: that we can complain all we want, instead of giving whatever someone shoves at us. and dont give me that "if you want it, you do it" crap, because not everyone is a developer (tho i am) and we dont have time to work |
| 23:49.33 | ironfroggy | about. sorry i thought something! |
| 23:49.53 | Renze | attacking? |
| 23:50.37 | pinotree | ironfroggy: don't get upset for nothing, nobody "attacked" you nor wanted to do it |
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| 23:51.25 | ironfroggy | i had an opinion, and it was attacked. thats my story. |
| 23:51.43 | pinotree | i didn't see annybody attacking you |
| 23:51.50 | icwiener | opinions are there to discuss. |
| 23:52.50 | pinotree | if _anybody_ thinks "hey! this is missing in app xx, i'd like to have it!", that person is kindly invited to open a wish to our bugzilla |
| 23:52.55 | ironfroggy | yes and there is a distinct difference between discussion and attacking, and i felt that the line was crossed. |
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| 23:53.17 | ironfroggy | pinotree: yeah, thats what i said. |
| 23:53.29 | pinotree | if the line was crossed, somebody would have been already kicked by be, don't worry |
| 23:53.36 | pinotree | be -> me |
| 23:53.56 | pinotree | if you think so, please paste the line where "somebody attacked you" |
| 23:54.04 | nondysjunction | I am trying to use kwin to force a dock (well, not quite a dock... standalone engage, for those who are familiar) to stay below windows. I set "Keep Below" to force, but it still seems to jump to the front when clicking it. Any suggestions? |
| 23:54.22 | ironfroggy | i cant, if i try to convince anyone my opinions were met unfairly, i would just be tagged a troll. |
| 23:55.29 | pinotree | ironfroggy: the only person/people you have to convince about your wish is/are the developer(s) of the app you requested something |
| 23:56.02 | ironfroggy | whats your point? |
| 23:56.17 | pinotree | (or otherwise just show him/them a patch with the work done, but it's another story) |
| 23:56.32 | pinotree | none, just to understand why you feel upset |
| 23:56.59 | ironfroggy | are you of the opinion that most bugzilla posters should put in the work themselves, rather than hope someone else take it on? |
| 23:57.10 | pinotree | no |
| 23:57.40 | ironfroggy | because if you arent a developer, you have little right or weight to insult an idea about the product, as was done. |
| 23:58.16 | pinotree | personally, i'm the responsible for a product, and i can't expect people to code something about it |
| 23:58.50 | ironfroggy | i ask if there is a way to disable the mousewheel-timezone feature, and instead the disabling of other timezones is repeated, which was already mentioned and doesnt fit for what i was doing. the implication seeming to be "what you want to do is stupid, do this instead", which is insulting. |
| 23:59.24 | Renze | ironfroggy: it was not implied like that at all... it is the *only* way to disable the mouse wheel on the clock |
| 23:59.37 | Renze | the only person who assumed insult was you |